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Predict Redskins-Panthers Result

The Redskins play another winless team Sunday. This one, the Carolina Panthers, is coming off its bye week and has lost to Philadelphia, Atlanta and Dallas. The Panthers have been outscored 87-37 and have scored four touchdowns in three games.


Zorn Goes Orbacious

Over at the D.C. Sports Bog, The Faces of Zorn rides again.

And ... Scenes from the Burgundy Revolution

Steinberg talks to the masses about their team.

By Cindy Boren  |  October 5, 2009; 10:05 AM ET
 
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Time for the Redskins to lose a close one against an awful team. Beat Rams, lose to Lions, beat Bucs, lose to Panthers.

Posted by: dcborn61 | October 5, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

JC17 = Good Rex/Bad Rex Grossman circa 2/3 years ago.

Even though he went to the SB, he only got a one year low salary offer. And he was a 1st round draft pick as well.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 5, 2009 10:24 AM |

So to carry this analogy to it's illogical limit, does this mean after suffering with Camp (Gross) we are destined to be saved by an as yet to-be-determined white knight (Cut)?

Posted by: TubularBells | October 5, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

One thing that will help us in this game is the fact that Jake Delhomme is terrible, absolutely awful...

Posted by: mattylight | October 5, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Fortunately Carolina's situation is worse than ours. Skins win by three as long as we dont put D Hall on Steve Smith.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 5, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

PSP He threw 3 Picks and beaned a ref in the head!!! and fumbled AGAIN!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I think the OLine play was mixed yesterday ... Pass Pro was good ... Run Blocking wasn't .... You can't put any of those Turnover's on the OLine...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 5, 2009 10:39 AM

Pass protection was not good. Campbell never had time to set on a seven step drop and needed to reset after a five step drop. I would like to see TB's "hurried" numbers. The Talib turnovers were on Campbell locking his eyes and telegraphing and forcing into double coverage. The need to lock eyes, telegraph, and force was on the offensive line. The run blocking was horrendous. The run performance (just Portis and Mason?) was better than it should have been.

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

None of this matters if the offense is not expanded. Our Defense is not TOUGH enough to play smash mouth keep away football. Remember that is how we made it to 6-2 last year. So the players on offense must begin to win individual battles.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | October 5, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

delhomme will throw 3 picks, of which Rogers will drop 5 of them...

What I don't see out of JC is the intangibles, the ability to, like Ben R, pump fake, move a safety out of the throwing lane, then complete the pass to where he wants...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

One thing that will help us in this game is the fact that Jake Delhomme is terrible, absolutely awful...

Posted by: mattylight | October 5, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse


Uh, we lost to the Lions.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 5, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

We will win by 4 points. 14-10.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see Collins play if for no other reason than to find out if the other receivers are that bad, or it is just a quarterback that plays favorites.
Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 5, 2009 9:14 AM |


Count me in with this sentiment. I have been supporting Campbell all along but wanted to hold judgment until 4 games were down. I don’t see much improvement from him. He is still a gamer in my book, but just needs to play like he did in the 3rd qtr on a consistent basis. Maybe he will get better. He definitely looks for Cooley and Moss more than anyone else. I would just want to see what would happen from a spreading the ball around standpoint if they were to put Collins in. If he goes in and DT/MK/Davis and others starting catching balls, then yes, I would say that Campbell isn’t making the right reads. Unfortunately the only way we will see this is if Campbell gets hurt.

I’m not writing Campbell off 100% just yet. Nice comeback yesterday, but he needs to play more consistently, period. We’ll see what happens when we play a good team again, I suppose, but my confidence in him is really starting to waiver. Just wish we could see TC for a game or a half. Oh well.

Just have to say for those parrots who keep repeating that Campbell has a “slow delivery” just watch the TD pass to cooley yesterday and see if you still think his delivery is slow….


Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 5, 2009 10:38 AM

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 5, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

What's really sad about the Redskins punting situation over the past few years is that Suisam is probably a better punter than both Frost and Plackenmeyer.

Posted by: RambleOn | October 5, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Lots of good points being made. The NYG beat the Bucs in Tampa 24-0. DC "Pulls a Homer" (to succeed despite idiocy)
and wins by three. I'd rather see the only QB on the roster that has led the team to the playoffs play now, than the future backup QB that is starting now. Yes I watched the game. Soupy hasn't consistently been able to read a coverage from 2002 until yesterday. Why does anyone think that will change next game?

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

dl, agreed, again, what harm can come from throwing the ball to these guys??? I just don't get it.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse


"The Tragical Historye of Jake Delhomme v. Jason Campbell"

from Moe Shakespeare,

"A tale of two different dudes,

but both alike in airborne turnover indignity...

is where we'll lay our fair scene.

From samuels getting juliusly peppered

to 0-3 hoping to become 1-4 before the

glare of a failing Fox and medium Zorn.

We see the axe of unemployment separating

them from responsiblity sometime around

MLK Day...

...to the delight of us all."

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 5, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

TuberB - The writing is there. I am a realist; neither an apologist nor a hater. Campbell is who he is.

For Campbell to succed, he needs 5 seconds in the pocket and receivers to have atleast 3 yards of separation, not to mention they can only be one on one and never double teamed.

That, My Friend, ain't the NF of L.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 5, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I forgot about Rogers dropping that ball and laughing about it. Really, you still can’t catch a ball that hits you between the 2 and 2 on your jersey. Another clue that this team is soft. Gary Clark drops a ball and it’s bye bye Gatorade table. Carlos laughs about it. They played with a little bit more fire yesterday, but not enough IMO. So they squeak out a win and Zorn gives this team 2 days off. Well that’s just great. Until this team starts getting tough, and seriously PO’d when they lose, it’s going to be the same thing every week. 2 days off after barely beating a winless team. Give me a break.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 5, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

It comes down to this:

JC is not a GREAT QB, yet. He's an average to slightly above average QB. He has an average to below average team around him. He is not one of the 3-4 QBs in the league who can overcome the team/coach/organization shortcomings to win games on his own, although he managed to do pretty well in the 2nd half yesterday.

In the NFL, there are a small group of Elite QBs, a small group of terrible QBs (Russell, TB QB, etc.) and the rest of the guys are within 5% of each other and usually are only as good as the players around them. JC is one of those middle of the road ones. I can't think of a QB in the league who has had MORE disadvantages in his starting QB stint as JC has had in the last 3 years here. And yet, I think he has been more than serviceable. He doesn't often win games on his own, but he also won't kill us. The first half yesterday was one of the very few times he's been truly BAD. I think that was more of an outlier than the norm.

All that being said, people looking to put Todd in are ridiculous. Do people calling for Todd think we are a playoff team if Todd comes in? Until this team shows it can be better as a whole, switching QBs should not be a thought. If we put in Todd, the JC and JZ era in Washington are over, and next year we will be starting over anyway. It only makes sense to put in Todd if we think he is the difference between us now, and us being a good team. I'm pretty sure he's not that answer.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 5, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Garcia=Playoffs

Posted by: fzone | October 5, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Easy on JC17 guys...no one here thinks he is an elite QB...but we can't have it both ways. Last season, we're all over him, wanting him to be more aggressive and take some chances, and this year he's tried that a little more, with no success, and people blast him for it. He led us to a win yesterday when it would have been easy to fold. I respect that. It wasn't pretty, but style points or no style points we're 2-2 and the season isn't lost yet...

Posted by: mattylight | October 5, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I think Carolina will win next week. They've had an extra week off to game plan and prepare.

Here's a thing I noticed yesterday: St Louis, the team the Redskins managed to almost lose to, was beaten 35-0 by San Francisco, and the Detroit team that beat Washington was in turn beaten 48-24 by Chicago. The point is the teams the Redskins are struggling with are being take care of quite handily by the other teams in the league. The Redskins are bad. They are not the worse team in the league, but they are certainly in the bottom tier. It hurts to say that but the facts don't lie. I can't believe it. They had a very good start last year, and although the slide at the end of last season was a worry, much of the slide was written off as the result of injuries to running backs and offensive linemen. I was positive that things would improve this season. Now, I think I am seeing things for what they are. They are a bad team. It's pathetic to be wondering if they can beat the lowliest cellar dwellers in the NFL week in and week out. This season is going to hurt.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 5, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

PSP He threw 3 Picks and beaned a ref in the head !!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 10:43 AM

I think the Competition Committee should change the ref-head-tip rule. Should be dead ball. League rules are so QB friendly. Pass on a rope to ref's head should be the "safe" check down.

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

One thing that will help us in this game is the fact that Jake Delhomme is terrible, absolutely awful...

Posted by: mattylight | October 5, 2009 10:44 AM

He actually wasn't that bad against the cowboys last week. Steve Smith broke off his route on the pick-6 he threw to end the panther's chance it. The pessimist in me thinks their offense might get healthy against the skins. As mentioned earlier we did lose to the Lions afterall.

Posted by: skinswest | October 5, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Pass protection was not good. Campbell never had time to set on a seven step drop and needed to reset after a five step drop. I would like to see TB's "hurried" numbers. The Talib turnovers were on Campbell locking his eyes and telegraphing and forcing into double coverage. The need to lock eyes, telegraph, and force was on the offensive line. The run blocking was horrendous. The run performance (just Portis and Mason?) was better than it should have been.

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 10:46 AM

I don't know about that one. I think he doesn't step away/back/side step pressure like most other QBs I got to watch during Free View of the NFL Redzone Package was doing.

I can't see how you can blame those Fumble/INTs on the OLine. The OLine wasn't perfect, but the played pass pro well enough IMO.

I geuss it's just a difference of Opinions.

The Run Game was all on Zorn. How many FREAKIN times they gonna motion Sellers left and run Zone left with CP?? I counted that same play atleast 6 times to the point they knew it was coming.

Didn't Saunders say it would be 4 games before he ran the same play again???

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 5, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone's offense is getting healthy against the 'Skins defense. Yeah, they've been blown up on third down a lot, but they are at least an above average unit, while not as good as all had hoped they would be.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 5, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Carolina is favored by (-4)... Since Soupy won't be here next year anyways, Zorn could salvage the year w/ better QB play as well as his job status and possibly a playoff run. DC is fortunate not to be 1-3. 8-8 again won't get it done.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Rypien11...well stated (or written). Garcia could not beat Jamarcus Russell out for the job and Oakland and you want him to be our qb, please. Remember what the last round of qb envy got the skins, Jeff George.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 5, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

the JC and JZ era in Washington are over

Ryp, what progress has this team made in the last 20 games makes you think that the 2 guys MOST RESPONSIBLE for the progress of this team will be back??

We've become less than stagnant on offense, what makes you want the guys who have had 2 years to make something happen, what makes you want to give them another year...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

RSH, a week off in Charlotte doesn't fix Carolina's problems. Like the Skins, Panthers have a woefully inadequate offensive line, a couple/few quality receivers (including one speedy little threat), a solid RB, and 11 guys who get paid to play defense. Delhomme is still the French word for interception.

Take the under.

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

All that being said, people looking to put Todd in are ridiculous. Do people calling for Todd think we are a playoff team if Todd comes in? Until this team shows it can be better as a whole, switching QBs should not be a thought. If we put in Todd, the JC and JZ era in Washington are over, and next year we will be starting over anyway. It only makes sense to put in Todd if we think he is the difference between us now, and us being a good team. I'm pretty sure he's not that answer.
Posted by: Rypien11 | October 5, 2009 11:00 AM |

I don’t think it’s such a far out idea. I would have laughed at the idea after week 1, but now, wouldn’t you want to see what would happen keeping all factors the same except for QB? I’ve always supported JC, and I don’t think TC is going to turn the season around, but I just want to know if there’s really nothing else to throw to except Moss and Cooley…..does JC REALLY have a hard time anticipating receiver’s breaks and wait til they are open before he throws it? Or are those plays just reallynever there? Collins really threw it around to different guys in the pre-season. What would be wrong with giving him the 2nd half next week?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 5, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

... Didn't Saunders say it would be 4 games before he ran the same play again???

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 5, 2009 11:07 AM

Nope, he said they had to run the same play four times before it could be properly executed.

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Rypien11,
It wasn't just that Campbell was bad in the first half yesterday, he was bad against one of the worse defenses in the league. That's beyond bad. That's somewhere between Ryan Leaf and Akili Smith on the bad quarterback sliding scale.

I don't think Collins is the long term answer. I am not sure he is the short term answer. I would just like to see the difference. I suspect Zorn is a little reluctant to do this because he stood up for Campbell in the offseason and it would make him look a little wishy-washy if he were to put another QB in. I also believe that if you put Collins in, and he shows the same limitations that Campbell shows, then people are going to start saying that it is not the QB that is the problem.

By design or by fortune, it seemed like when ever Joe Gibbs was faced with this dilemma the starter would develop a mysterious malady that would require the starter to sit the next week and allow Gibbs to get a good look at the backup. This saved face for the starter, and if the backup played terribly there was always the excuse that the backup was only playing because of injury to the starter. Campbell should develop one of these maladies. He has been nursing a sore ankle after all...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 5, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Rypien 11 Newsflash the ZORN/CAMPBELL era is over... it will be a rough season but neither of them will be here next year.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

the JC and JZ era in Washington are over

Ryp, what progress has this team made in the last 20 games makes you think that the 2 guys MOST RESPONSIBLE for the progress of this team will be back??

We've become less than stagnant on offense, what makes you want the guys who have had 2 years to make something happen, what makes you want to give them another year...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Bean, you could very well be right, but the season isn't over yet. Last year at 6-2 we looked like a NFC contender and fell flat in the 2nd half. It's 4 games in, and we're 2-2. They could turn it around -- you never know...I for one think we should just play it out and see...

Posted by: mattylight | October 5, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

With no pass rush and corners who give 20 yard cushions, look for Delhomme and Smith to play catch all day. Watch Blache make no adjustment, meanwhile Fox will dial up the blitz against our woeful OL. I predict a 24-3 loss, JC, CP, and one O-Lineman are knocked out the game and Todd Collins will get a chance to show why he's been a backup QB his entire career.

Posted by: clark202 | October 5, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Sween - I'm talking about Al Saunders. HE said his play book was so extensive that it would be usually 4 games before he ran the same exact play again in a game....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 5, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Can't believe all the JC apologist post.

Dude goes out and accounts for FOUR, count 'em FOUR turnovers, and there are those who'd like to believe that he isn't PART OF (did you read that right, Rypien11?) the problem.

He's in his fifth year and has started A game every since 2006, but there are those who still are taking the wait and see approach?

You have to be f-ing kidding me with that bs. Truth of the matter is, if you still think this guy "has it" then you're either a) some self-serving prick that hopes he does become a GOOD QB just you can say that you were right, or b) one of those "My Quarterback is black" dumb ass fan.

These are facts, and they don't have to show up in a box score to ring true:

* Campbell has no pocket presence. Sure the pocket collapses, the pocket collapses on every QB, but they don't hold the ball 5 to 7 seconds waiting for someone to get WIDE open either.

* Campbell STILL lacks accuracy on mid range throws, or throws he has to make where only the WR can get to it.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"PSP He threw 3 Picks and beaned a ref in the head!!! and fumbled AGAIN!

Posted by: BenchCampbell"

Yes he did. I said it was the worst half I've ever seen Campbell play. Ever. It was putrid. If I was Zorn, I would have benched him at half.

But it was a good thing we didn't. As bad as his first half was, his second half was great. He was the one making the plays everyone here has asked of him. He hit a deep bomb perfectly in stride. He drilled Cooley perfectly between the numbers. At least twice he took off for long scrambles that gave us first downs. He had a big-time completion to Cooley on a 4th down rollout where he was the one that moved the defense to clear space for CC. Those were extremely clutch plays.

Do I ever want to see Campbell play like that again? Of course not. But HE won the game. Make no mistakes about it. That was his comeback. Awful in the first, great in the second. And above all, that's what you need in a QB. Someone that doesn't throw in the towel when the chips are down. QBs have bad games. QBs have putrid games. The special ones lift themselves up. That's what Campbell did.

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

What's the story about a replacement punter for this weekend? Will Hunter the Punter be able to play?

I cannot believe after years of futility in the punting game we're back bringing punters in during the season.

Encouraged by the defense. Our offense is beyond bad.

Posted by: isnadd | October 5, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

By design or by fortune, it seemed like when ever Joe Gibbs was faced with this dilemma the starter would develop a mysterious malady that would require the starter to sit the next week and allow Gibbs to get a good look at the backup. This saved face for the starter, and if the backup played terribly there was always the excuse that the backup was only playing because of injury to the starter. Campbell should develop one of these maladies. He has been nursing a sore ankle after all...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 5, 2009 11:13 AM


Amen. "Bubba! I think he needs to rest!"

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

lets talk reality here, 1/4 of the way into the season, they've beaten the Rams, and the Bucs, lost to the lions and the Giants, we can't score, we make rookies look good, 8-8 is a distinct reality. Snyder's already laid down the gauntlet regarding his expectations for this year.
When that fails to happen, and I have no reason to think that it wont, JZ is a goner. Right now, JC is on pace for 20 TD's, 20 INT's, and roughly 3800 yards, sorry, 5th year in the league, 2nd year in this offense, thats not good enough to get invited back.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Corny Zorny ain't benching JC. If you don't bench him after that first half, even if you plan on starting him the next week, then I don't know when you do.

CZ/JC are linked and will finish the season

(Snyder is to scared of the backlash to can Zorn midseason)

By the way I think the odds for mid-season firing are actually higher on Mangidiot and Wade Phillips.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 5, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Sween - I'm talking about Al Saunders. HE said his play book was so extensive that it would be usually 4 games before he ran the same exact play again in a game....

Posted by: 4thFloor

4th,
It's not the size of the playbook that matters, it's whether or not you give your QB a concusion with it when he throws three interceptions and fumbles the ball once (but really, it was twice if you count the backwards pass).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 5, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

It isn't the fact that Garcia couldn't beat out Russell in Oakland, Rypien11 and KingJoffe.

Russell was the number one pick a few drafts back. It's time for Oakland to see what they have in the dude rather than start a 40-year-old QB they have no future with.

Truth about it is the 'skins are stuck with Jason Campbell as their starter this year, and this year only. Sure they could insert Collins, but that wouldn't fix all the problems facing this team (you read that correctly Rypien11?).

The problems they have just aren't Campbell and the passing game. But it does account for a large portion of it.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

All the things you said are true, but he is still our best option at QB for the season.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 5, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

rogers tried to body catch that ball and it hit him in the junk, sai it on the jumbo screen.rogers couldn't catch an std in a three way with paris hilton and lindsay .

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 5, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV - Good Morning! Great to speak with you again.

Bean - I don't know that JC and JZ will be back. If we don't make the playoffs, I suspect they won't be. I agree that if we don't make playoffs/show improvement by the end of the year, its probably time to blow the WHOLE thing up, especially if theres no cap. Keep some young cheap talent, and cut the fat.

BUT, before we do that... I for one would like to know for sure that JC and JZ don't have it. If we were 0-4 and JC had been horrible every game, then sure, pull him. But we're 2-2 (an ugly 2-2, granted), and JC has been horrible for one half of one game.

If we're going to go through the trouble of a whole new team/coach/QB next year, then we should know 100% that we don't want to continue with what we have. I don't think its time to throw in the towel yet. I would say if things aren't looking good at the bye week, maybe Todd gets a shot, just to see if it makes a difference. Too early in the season to cut out the legs of the coach/QB for a 2-2 team, especially when one loss was to the best team in the league.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 5, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

the JC and JZ era in Washington are over ...

... makes you think that the 2 guys MOST RESPONSIBLE for the progress of this team will be back??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 11:10 AM

No way, the JC and JZ era just got started in the second half ... or at least that's what me and cL's posse are muttering from under the bar stools.

The two guys MOST responsible for the stagnation are The Owner and the guy who processes his personnel moves.

[Did anyone read about the George Michael interview? Made me think that The Owner and EVP probably both are disinterested and/or incapable of connecting with anybody empathy-wise (whether it be an agent, another GM, a player, or a coaching candidate), creating a blind spot in drafting, hiring, and retaining.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

You know s*** is bleak when Bean has put down the 'skins-aid.

Dude is the ultimate optimist.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Stone Hands is like macabre joke at this point. I swear the cat thinks he is a Beach Volley Ball player....

If he actually held on to the ball he'd be challenging Sharper/Woodson for career pick 6s at this point.

All you can do is laugh at this point...and order another round of shots...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 5, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

On the other hand, the ref was open. More than we can say for Kelly.

Posted by: jakfish | October 5, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

rogers couldn't catch an std in a three way with paris hilton and lindsay .

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 5, 2009 11:24 AM


hahahahaha!!

Posted by: fzone | October 5, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Moe...comparing yourself to Shakespeare says it all...it's just like your inflated opinion of your football knowledge!

Posted by: drfunknsoul | October 5, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

isnadd,

It's probably too soon right now to know whether Hunter will be able to play next Sunday. But I think the Redskins have already started looking for available punters around just in case. We should know more by Wednesday when the team's injury report comes out.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 5, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"The problems they have just aren't Campbell and the passing game. But it does account for a large portion of it"

Red, its the same thing they've been struggling to correct for years now. The redskins offense is defended by stacking 8-9 guys in the box, and daring them to beat you via the pass....until the offense can pass, and pass consistenly well, and can open up the passing game to beyond 2 guys, then this is how every team approach's the redskins.

Stop the run, see if Campbell can beat you.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

For Campbell to succed, he needs 5 seconds in the pocket and receivers to have atleast 3 yards of separation, not to mention they can only be one on one and never double teamed.

That, My Friend, ain't the NF of L.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 5, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse


We knew that when we drafted him. It's in his scouting report. He's nfl. He's just mediocre nfl. We want Peyton Manning at a Jason Campbell price tag. We just aren't going to get that. We blew our wad on defense and RB. Is JC worse than:

Kerry Collins
Kyle Orton
Trent Edwards
Shaun Hill
Jake Delhomme
Byron Leftwich
Jamarcus Russel
Matt Cassel
Chad Pennington
Marc Bulger
Brady Quinn
Seneca Wallace
Kevin Kolb
David Garrard

He's mediocre and needs talent to win. That is the strategy we went with. It has worked for us in the past and more recently with Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Tampa. Our defense needs to be dominant and our running game needs to be better. Campbell with the exception of the first half yesterday is playing as expected.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

... DC is fortunate not to be 1-3. 8-8 again won't get it done.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 11:09 AM

Zorn keeps his job if (1) 6-2 at home, (4) 4-4 on the road, and (3) 3-3 in the division. [This isn't me ... this is Vinny on his tardly named Red Zone show.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Someone that doesn't throw in the towel when the chips are down. QBs have bad games. QBs have putrid games. The special ones lift themselves up. That's what Campbell did.

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 11:16 AM

Jeff Rutledge did that for DC onetime against the Lions.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Based on what we have seen thus far what are the predictions for the skins??

WAS @ CAR W?
KC @ WAS W?
PHI @ WAS L
BYE
WAS @ ATL L
DEN @ WAS L
WAS @ DAL L
WAS @ PHI L
NO @ WAS L
WAS @ OAK W
NYG @ WAS L
DAL @ WAS W?
WAS @ SD L

So I have us going 4-8 ending up at 6 and 10 thoughts??

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

No doubt Campbell is the better option at QB. Collins is a career backup for a reason. I'm sorry but I don't buy the "He's been slept on" stuff.

But when they become eliminated from playoff contention approximately around week 10 or 11, I'd say f and start Todd Collins.

Did the Saints PS'd Chase Daniel or added him to their 53? If he's on their PS I think they should bring him back.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse


rogers couldn't catch an std in a three way with paris hilton and lindsay .

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 5, 2009 11:24 AM

'Los here I am, catch me!

Signed

Chlamydia

Posted by: ElYeah | October 5, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

and yeah, Red, I've run out of stuff to smash in frustration over this team....we've seen this movie before, we all know how it ends....

so when rogers approach's the team regarding an extension, should they laugh at him, like he did when he dropped that int.....2005 draft is coming around to bite us in the backside...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"Red, its the same thing they've been struggling to correct for years now. The redskins offense is defended by stacking 8-9 guys in the box, and daring them to beat you via the pass....until the offense can pass, and pass consistenly well, and can open up the passing game to beyond 2 guys, then this is how every team approach's the redskins.

Stop the run, see if Campbell can beat you.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1"

Except it was the exact opposite yesterday. Hence Campbell consistently forcing it into double coverage. And Portis finally having a "good" day on the ground (if 98 yards on 25 carries has become good for CP at this point in his career). Teams have switched their defenses. Tampa Bay was playing a quarters defense the entire way. It's now 'take away Campbell, force their offensive line and CP to beat us.'

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I swear this team can win the rest of their game 14-10,and the superbowl 6-3 and you people will be upset about it..
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Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 5, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The two guys MOST responsible for the stagnation are The Owner and the guy who processes his personnel moves.

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 11:26 AM

Ding ding ding ding. Tell him what he's won Don Pardo...

Posted by: 4-12 | October 5, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Is Campbell better than:

Kerry Collins - Nope
Kyle Orton - Nope
Trent Edwards - Nope
Shaun Hill - Push
Jake Delhomme - Nope
Byron Leftwich - Push
Jamarcus Russel - Yes
Matt Cassel - Nope
Chad Pennington - Nope
Marc Bulger - Nope
Brady Quinn - Push
Seneca Wallace - Push
Kevin Kolb - Push
David Garrard - Nope

But that's just what I think.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

All you can do is laugh at this point ... and order another round of shots ...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 5, 2009 11:26 AM

This is what I do on Monday nights. Unfortunately, these two things are self-perpetuating cycle.

Am I the ONLY won who had fun yesterday when the Denver gunner slapped the punt out of the end zone, into the hands of the Dallas punt return guy, who returned it for a TD ... and had the whole thing get called back b/c the ball had hit the goal line before the swat back?

Yes, it is another big boo hoo hoo day up here on RI because everyone needs to mourn another Skins victory at FedEx ... but is NO ONE finding joy in Dallas' loss?

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Zorn keeps his job if (1) 6-2 at home, (4) 4-4 on the road, and (3) 3-3 in the division. [This isn't me ... this is Vinny on his tardly named Red Zone show.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

So 10-6 and he stays?

Did he actually come right out and say this?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 5, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

How many pick 6's has Rogers dropped? I mean talk about a game changing play to jump start a team, or take some pressure off the offense. He runs that in, its a whole different story yesterday.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 5, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

John Thompson said something on his radio show a few weeks back that really made sense to me. Said it took him 3 years to really get going at Georgetown -- that it took some time to lay the foundation. Think about what a complete mistake it would have been to fire him after year 2? Now, I am not saying Zorn is destined to be the same caliber coach that Thompson was, but I think we need to exhibit some patience...

It's only Zorn's second season, and only JC's 2nd season in his system. There are too many people in my opinion who want instant gratification and instant results, and it might not work that way. But blowing it all up and starting over again with a new coach and new QB next season, along with all the other areas of need we have (OLine, possibly RB) will take 2-3 seasons...IF WE GET IT RIGHT. And how many times has this FO proven they can make those kinds of decisions? If not, we're set back even further, again.

So why not let it play out. Sure, right now, the results have sucked. But the season ain't over yet...

Posted by: mattylight | October 5, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Campbell played a bad game yesterday, but he and the rest of the team found a way to win. Good teams (which is what this team wants to BECOME) have to do that when their QB has a bad day. Almost every QB is going to have a real clunker or two in a season.

He needs to stop trying the force the ball to M. Kelly, though. I don't know if he's being ordered to do that or what, but Kelly needs to get himself open.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 5, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Defense has played pretty well, and better this week than last. In my mind, the most meaningful defensive statistic is points allowed. Redskins are tied for 6th with 15.5 ppg allowed.

The offense is horrid. Just awful. They came out yesterday and were sacked 2x in the first 4 plays! It's like they were totally unprepared to play the game. I think Zorn needs to practice better: pick 15 plays, and run them 90 times in practice during the week. I don't think they're getting enough reps to execute during the game.

Yes, they settled down and played a great 3rd quarter, but 4th quarter was kinda bad.

Were I head coach, I'd commit to running the ball more as well. 35 carries was a start. I would not care about the score unless down 2 scores in the 4th quarter. Heck maybe not even then (Remember opening day and Emmitt stomping all over Norv's Foreskins?).

Finally started calling some play action and rollouts, and getting Cooley on the seam. Need more of that, and fewer of the TE screens that they ran like 4 times. It made more than 2 yards ONCE. Time to retire it JZ...


After the end of the first half, I was calling not for JC's benching, but wondering if JZ could be fired at halftime...

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 5, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

lilhollywood10,
Oh, I've got a few "Carlos couldn't catch" jokes:

-Carlos couldn't catch a fish in a sardine can.

-Carlos couldn't catch the drift if he was in the river.

-Carlos couldn't catch a cold in a nude Siberian concentration camp.

-Carlos couldn't catch a football with a steam shovel.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 5, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I hope Carlos realizes now why D Hall got paid in the offseason and he didn't. D Hall catches the ball and Los doesn't. Until he can prove otherwise he will be nothing but a strong #2 with good cover skills who can't catch the ball even when it hits him in the numbers. That would have been a pick-6 all the way if he'd caught it. D Hall makes a great play on the ball and gets the HUGE turnover that we needed to jumpstart our barely alive battery that probably still ran out of juice after the game. I'm glad we won but I don't think anyone of us should be celebrating b/c that team will probably when 2-3 games this year and that's it and we barely slid by. I will say that was impressed with the Tryon's sack, he showed some real closing speed on that play. Also it was great to Jarmon make a big play at the end. Nice to see some draft picks contribute, at least on defense.

Posted by: forever8-8 | October 5, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Big props to Suishem yesterday - he is the team MVP after 4 games.

Posted by: coparker5 | October 5, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

How many pick 6's has Rogers dropped? I mean talk about a game changing play to jump start a team, or take some pressure off the offense. He runs that in, its a whole different story yesterday.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 5, 2009 11:37 AM

That's what happens when you draft "a run stopping corner" ahead of run stopping Shawn Merriman. He was bum at Auburn just like Soup.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Redskins injury report:

- hoarse voice after yelling "i'm da man!"
- pulled hamstrings after high-fiving
- strained back after swaggering
- bruised thumbs after text messaging during the game
- headache after figuring out how to play right

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 5, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

how they got the day off today just leaves me at a loss for words.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

MotherF Carlos Rogers and his "trick" sixes".

Every time he has an opportunity so good at picking one off and returning it to the house, it's like he's saying: "Gotcha!"

Carlos "Trick Six" Rogers

Bean, I hear you man. It gets old watching the same ol' thing year after year.

Insanity: Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

F the 2005 draft.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

On the road against a team that coming off a bye week. Even though they are currently winless (how do you think the Skins would have done against the three teams the Panthers lost to? The same 0-3 record?) they still have a good coach and some good experienced players. I don't believe the Panthers start 0-4 so yes, this is a loss for the Redskins.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | October 5, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Red

Chase Daniel...come on. I swear if someone throws two td passes in preseason they want to anoit him starter. Furthermore your responses to PAskinsfan's question shows that you lack objectivity,you just dont like JC which is OK. Brady Quinn is a push? Has he even won a game yet? I obviously dont agree with you regarding JC, I will concur that Rogers is some hot garbage.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 5, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

F the 2005 draft.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

No, F the 2008 draft.

Until they prove otherwise this was the worst draft the skins had in at least the past 10 years.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 5, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

so when rogers approach's the team regarding an extension, should they laugh at him, like he did when he dropped that int.....2005 draft is coming around to bite us in the backside...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse


I know a great way to keep Rogers on the cheap.

The FO should just throw stacks of cash at him and tell him he gets to keep as many as he can catch...

Posted by: p1funk | October 5, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Hey sween, If I lost a million dollars, but another dude lost 2 million dollars, I still wouldn't feel better about losing the million bucks.

One's misery does not bring me joy. Why?

Becasue 75% of the time I don't give a f about another person. I'm too concerned with 'self'.

But again, that's just me. Find and take solace in what you will.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

And I also want to remember who the bama was in the preseason that was up here arguing that Carlos Rogers was an elite CB in the NFL...

...whoever you were, you need to eat crow.

Posted by: p1funk | October 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Been following the JC/JZ comments, and don't buy the "give JZ time" argument.

Redskins have one of the worst offenses in the NFL (6th worst in PPG). Given that they've played 3 of the worst defenses in the league in 4 games, you could make a case that they're the worst period.

The worst offense in the league. As in DFL in the NFL. Last year, they finished 28th. They'e going in the wrong direction.

CP is a decent back. JC is a decent QB, Moss is a good receiver, Cooley is a Pro Bowl TE. I gotta put this on coaching.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 5, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Nothing to get excited over. The 'Skins beat a terrible team with no qb by only 3 pts. This only postpones the inevitable. The Panthers will get out their hammers and finish Washington this week. Please lets get on with getting rid of Vinny and JZ.

Posted by: 1of9000 | October 5, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

And I say we get beat by the Panthers pretty handily.

They have a bye week to get refocued and they get to play at home.

I would be tempted to say that Del Homey could have a 3-4 pickle day, until I remembered that we have Carlos Rogers back there, which means we'll be lucky to hold onto 1 of those ints (assuming it comes in DHall's direction).

Posted by: p1funk | October 5, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Offensive Line from Left to Right:

LT = B+
LG = B-
C = C+
RG = C
RT = C+

The bottom line for this team is mediocre offensive line = medicore team = mediocre record (5-7 wins).

With no proven help on the bench, there is no reason to believe the OL will be anyhting better than what it is for the rest of the season.

Bugel hasn't successfully developed any raw talents since Gibbs 1.0.

The next coach/GM/O-line coach (the ones that will be hired after Zorn,Vinny and Bugel are gone at the end of this year) will have to solve this barrier to getting beyond "average."

Posted by: hapster | October 5, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

And I also want to remember who the bama was in the preseason that was up here arguing that Carlos Rogers was an elite CB in the NFL...

...whoever you were, you need to eat crow.

Posted by: p1funk

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I'll take that one. The crow is tasty. I don't get why everyone is so surprised that he dropped an INT, but whateves, stew in your own misery.

Now for anyone that put CP in an elite class, claimed MK/DT/or FD weren't busts, that LL was an elite, or even top-notch safety, that Heyer was going to be okay, that it was okay that we didn't draft offensive linemen, that Landry was clearly a better safety than Horton (I'll take special credit for calling that one out before the season), or that Rocky Mac needed to be replaced, time for you to step up to the plate as well.

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

how they got the day off today just leaves me at a loss for words.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 11:43 AM

Agreed. Team's too soft.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 5, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

rogers couldn't catch an std in a three way with paris hilton and lindsay .

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 5, 2009 11:24 AM |

Sign of the times. It used to be that they said of a butterfingers "he couldn't catch a cold". Now they say "he couldn't catch a cold sore". Sigh.

Posted by: TubularBells | October 5, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

For all those who say, "The season is over." F U

Sure, there is little reason to be optimistic and plenty of reason to be negative but that's why they play the games.

And to those who want to blow up the team and start over; No effing way. Unless you prefer to be 0-4 and the Bucs. That team was 9-7 last year and just missed the playoffs. (If the Eagles had lost to the Bengals instead of tied...)

Point is: It's not how you start but how you finish. There is plenty of time in the season to see improvement. IF no improvement - off with their heads, but we're not there yet.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 5, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Jumbo you are crazy if you think for a second that most 14-10 is going to get it done

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I am excited because we won and we're 2-2 (2-0 at home) and Dallas lost.

Back when Redskins fans were some of the best tin the league they knew how to appreciate a home win and a dallas loss.

Now they are just a bunch of miserable complainer know it all wanna be GM player haters.

Why would the offense be any better than last year? We've neglected the O-line for years, by NO fault of the players or coaches.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 5, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

8-8 again won't get it done.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

If we finish 8-8, I would consider it miraculous.

We couldn't ask for a more cupcake schedule than we have right now and we are painfully struggling our way through it.

Right now the Eagles (2), Giants, New Orleans, Atlanta and Denver are gonna beat us bad when we have to face them in midseason form.

I say we go 1-3 (maybe 2-2) against the Cowboys (2), KC and Oakland. San Diego is 2-2 right now and will probably play neck-neck with Denver to win the division so I don't see them playing backups in Week 17, which means we lose that game as well.

We finish the year with 5 maybe 6 wins if we catch a team on really bad day for them.

Posted by: p1funk | October 5, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Ruler of Zamunda, if there is one thing I don't lack it's objectivity.

It's NOT TRUE when you conclude that I don't like Jason Campbell. I want the dude to become the franchise QB that he was drafted to be.

I had my doubts about the guy going back to 2007, but I figured that he didn't get a full year in '06 or '07, although he played most of '07 before that Thursday night game versus Chicago. That's when some career bench-riding QB came in and how some people would like to believe: "put the Redskins on his back".

But after watching him for a full 1 and one fourth of a season, it's just plain and obvious that the dude Campbell just doesn't have what it takes to excel.

He hold the ball forever.
He lacks pocket presence.
He lacks accuracy.
He doesn't go through his progressions.

I mean, dude, these are things ROOKIES do. Campbell is entering year FIVE, year FIVE people and some of you are still giving him a pass?

WTF!?! Why? How?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Though I understand why people are tired of JC, my question is: what will you expect with Collins?

The truth is, there really isn't anyone in teh bullpen at that position. Collins is 57 years old. He isn't our future. If JC is not the answer, then they'll need to draft a QB high and start over...unless people think Brennan could be the guy (shudder).

I think you let him play out the season, and see if he and the team can rally. If they can't, because he can't help make it happen and the team is just not any good - a strong possibility - you don't offer the extension and start over. If he can, you've got some thinking to do...really, though, putting in Collins is not likely to be the difference maker based on what I've seen. He may be better, but he has no future and with this O-line he's liable to get killed back there.

I think they lose a close one to Carolina, who shouldn't be nearly this bad, and has far more talent than Tampa, Detroit, or the Rams. Of course, this is based on more of the same of what we've seen. If they turn it on (assuming they can), they certainly could win.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 5, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

psp, I'll admit that MK/FD/DT are busts when they start dropping balls, start fumbling the ball, start coming up short of the first down marker....of course that would require that they get the ball THROWN to them first.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I am calling for Todd Collins. Not because he is our savior or because I think making a QB change right now is going to get us in the playoffs. I think this is an 8-8 team at best no matter what, and if Samuels goes down at any point we're not even close to that. My reasons for wanting Collins are several. JC is in a contract year and most assuredly after the start of this season and this last game in particular he is gone, so why not get a veteran in there who has proven he can go through progressions and get the ball to the open receiver unlike JC. Collins is not the future or the savior or anything like that, but he is a capable veteran who can fill in for now and give us a chance to see if it really is that Davis, Kelly, and Thomas just can't contribute or if JC just locks in on his first read. At this point when your offense is terrible and you know JC is gone no matter what, why not try and shake things up some and see what happens? It can't possibly get worse and it could possibly get better. But you never know unless you try.

If this was JC's second year as a starter I'd say no way, but its not, its his 4th year as a starter and 2nd year in the system, he's proven he isn't the long term answer.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

time for you to step up to the plate as well.

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 11:58 AM |

And how about shtupping up to the plate as well.

1. Letterman with his staff.
2. Polanski with a minor.
3. Phillips with his daughter. (MacKenzie BS.)

Posted by: TubularBells | October 5, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Not a good spot for skins to be in, haven't done well against panthers in recent years. carolina hungry for a win especially at home coming off bye week. I'd be shocked if skins get a W.
But get chiefs following week and should be close win for skins at home, if at arrowhead probably be a lost.

Posted by: bhoang888 | October 5, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I as the internal Realist/Bordering optimist have even given in to the conclusion. You know how?

All you have to do is watch a few games out side of Redskins' games and you get this refreshing take on the NFL. One you remember Pre-Snyder. The NFL you have come to missed.

The Anti-JC/JZ thing basically stems from Snyder's 10th year owning this team. We are all so frustrated because of 'One Step Forward/Two Steps Back' we have been doing since 1999.

At that rate, we may be in 1993 all over again. (The Petibone year)

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 5, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"of course that would require that they get the ball THROWN to them first......."

Clearly you didn't watch the game. Two picks were thrown because they went at MK12 who (a) got outjumped by Aqib Talib in single coverage on the sideline, and (b) was forced the ball in double coverage who was, again, beaten to the ball by Aqib Talib on a crossing route. That's about the 4th go route they've attempted at MK12 so far this season, none of which he's even come close to bringing in. He's had a fade route attempt...nothing. They've gone deep on playaction...zero separation.

Sorry. You're reaching at this point. They all suck right now.

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse


You can talk about the owner all you want, but as long as JC is under center, this team will be average.

Here's why I', slow to get rid of Zorn but quick to get rid of JC...

1) He holds the ball too long! A veteran QB cannot take those sacks...period!

2) He locks in on receivers.

3) He's average on an average team...that equals average to below average.

4) No one would give us more than a 3rd round pick for him.

5) How can we say Kelly and Thomas are busts if Campell won't throw to them or overthrows or underthrows them?

Yeah...I know, this team has TONS of problems, but we have failed to groom a franchise QB in god knows how long.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I live in Charlotte and all the sports talk guys are saying Panthers will get an easy win this week. After watching yesterday's game, there never needs to be another comparison of Landry to Taylor. Landry is not even close.

Posted by: clt_skins | October 5, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

We finish the year with 5 maybe 6 wins if we catch a team on really bad day for them.

Posted by: p1funk | October 5, 2009 12:02 PM

Agreed if Soup keeps getting served as a starter. It is a serious concern when we barely beat the bottom feeders and lose to one.

Posted by: Realness1 | October 5, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

6-4 Skins win!

Posted by: joinnow | October 5, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

The need to lock eyes, telegraph, and force was on the offensive line.
Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 10:46 AM |
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HAHAHAHAHAHA

This is a classic.

Thanks for the chuckles.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 5, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Interesting - 2-2 team vs. an 0-4 team and local media is saying "easy win" -

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 5, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Offensive Line from Left to Right:

With a DMV spike

LT = B
LG = C+
C = C
RG = C-
RT = C-

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Clearly you didn't watch the game. Two picks were thrown because they went at MK12 who (a) got outjumped by Aqib Talib in single coverage on the sideline, and (b) was forced the ball in double coverage who was, again, beaten to the ball by Aqib Talib on a crossing route. That's about the 4th go route they've attempted at MK12 so far this season, none of which he's even come close to bringing in. He's had a fade route attempt...nothing. They've gone deep on playaction...zero separation.

Sorry. You're reaching at this point. They all suck right now.

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas was regarded as a completely raw talent and wasn't supposed to see the field last year. He was projected to start having a little impact this year. He was a raw talent. He can not be a bust yet because he wasn't expected to be good yet. MK12 is looking like bust material though.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 5, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

PSP - As a MK12 apologist.......Campbell throws some of the worst balls to MK12??

What the heck is all that after-practice practice for?? It has no transgressed to the field.

It's about separation. But, it's also about placement of the ball as well...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 5, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I am not hating on Campbell or anointing Todd Collins as the savior. What putting Collins into the game will tell us is whether or not Zorn’s system/playcalling sucks, or if JC17 sucks. If Collins comes in and throws the ball to different guys and can put up 20-25 pts per game with all other factors equal, then we might be able to say that yes indeed, Jason Campbell is no good. If he comes in and we see the same low scores, with Moss and Cooley the only guys he throw a completion to, then we can probably say that Zorn is the root of the problem. I want Campbell to succeed as much as anyone, but it doesn’t appear to be the right combination. I want to find out who is truly the root cause of the poor offensive woes. Lots of folks saying this is the last year for Zorn AND Campbell…..hopefully we have a good system. It would be a lot easier to build around a new QB than it would to get another new coach, system, etc. Either way, I don’t think it would be prudent to can both of them until we can see how the offense would run with a different QB, if only for a game or 2…….the season isn’t over yet, but a game like the Panthers could be perfect to see what Collins has. Not a division game, should be winnable, give him a shot. Unless of course JC comes oput and lights it up for a few games in a row……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 5, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"He can not be a bust yet because he wasn't expected to be good yet."

Gee, that makes me feel better.

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

psp, so they send their slowest wr on go routes, and thats the WR's fault, not to mention that jc is hardly accurate on the long ball...but whateves I guess....

How about this, for the next 3-5 games, they each get 3-5 balls thrown to them each, and at the end of those games, we review how they did with the ball in their hands/getting passed to on a consistent basis.....now I know it wont happen but wouldn't that be a better way to determine if they can play or not??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

5) How can we say Kelly and Thomas are busts if Campell won't throw to them or overthrows or underthrows them?

Posted by: rickyroge | October 5, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

One of them can't get open and the other one can't get on the field.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 5, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

To all those that arent ready to "blow it up" WHAT are we waiting for?? How long can we stay medium? medium in its very nature equates to 8-8 is that acceptable? Zorn was quoted as saying "We are improving" after the Lions debacle are you kidding me?

This team doesnt have the players to make a Super Bowl run and we are not another 50 - $100 million free agent contract away!
Get a coach in here that can rebuild this thing from the ground up cuz thats where we are... Nobody wants to be 0-4 but lets face it if our schedule was any different we could very well be...But I would accept 0-4 if we could see REAL improvement

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I am not hating on Campbell or anointing Todd Collins as the savior. What putting Collins into the game will tell us is whether or not Zorn’s system/playcalling sucks, or if JC17 sucks.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 5, 2009 12:19 PM |
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Well, yes.

But the JC contingent (whose numbers are dwindling with each passing week) would rather not find out if Collins can run Zorn's system better than JC. Which is why they balk at the idea of sitting JC.

I think it's nearly psychotic to concern oneself with a SINGLE player's welfare over the team as a whole, but hey, whatever works for the Soup Eaters, I guess.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 5, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"It's about separation. But, it's also about placement of the ball as well...

Posted by: 4thFloor"

So you're saying that MK12 needs perfect pass placement for him to be successful.

Bust.

It's no wonder Campbell looks for Moss and Cooley a vast majority of the time. Those guys can actually get open.

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

psps, on the pick Campbell threw on the sideline where Kelly was the target, Campbell was supposed to put that on the back shoulder of Kelly.

Campbell lead him to far, or it could've been that Kelly just couldn't separate from Talib (Kweli!). Either way it was one of the rare throws where under throwing it is better than overthrowing it.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 5, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"How about this, for the next 3-5 games, they each get 3-5 balls thrown to them each, and at the end of those games, we review how they did with the ball in their hands/getting passed to on a consistent basis.....now I know it wont happen but wouldn't that be a better way to determine if they can play or not??"

Well MK12 has easily failed this test already. He gets targets, don't fool yourself. DT has had less of a shot, so maybe he needs to get the start soon. And Fred Davis....wow. That pick just looks more 'tarted by the minute. Even if he turns out to be the next Chris Cooley, dude still sits on the bench. That was just beyond moronic.

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Can anybody explain to me why last year we were told all Thomas knew was go routes, he's our fastest receiver not named Moss and yet we repeatedly try and force the ball deep to Malcolm Kelly who is our slowest receiver that supposedly has the best hands and was brought in to be our possession guy? This coaching staff mystifies me sometimes, like such as going spread formation empty backfield when you're trying to run out the clock, if it wasn't for JC not being able to find an open receiver and falling forward for 3 yards and keeping the clock going we potentially would have stopped the clock for them and gave them the ball back with two timeouts and the two minute warning stoppage as well, it was yet another idiotic play call.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Bench Campbell - Relax. If we don't make the playoffs this year, it will get blown up anyway. We're not a Super Bowl team, with JC OR Todd.

This team will go how JC and JZ go this year, and that's the end of it. Putting Todd in accomplishes nothing, and it won't happen unless JC and the offense continue to be as bad as they were in the first half yesterday.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 5, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

PSP - That Ball JC thre to MK12 down the sideline had terrible placement. He threw it only where Talib A could catch it.

That's where the 'placement of the ball' comes from.

That's too simple. Your smarter than that.
That's like me saying, 'So, you're saying the only way JC17 can deliver a pass is if there is ONLY atleast 3 yards of separation? JC17 is a Bust.'

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 5, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

psp, they throw to Kelly 3-5 times a game?? Really?? When??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

psp, they throw to Kelly 3-5 times a game?? Really?? When??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

two of the picks were when JC was trying to force the ball to Kelly.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

psps, on the pick Campbell threw on the sideline where Kelly was the target, Campbell was supposed to put that on the back shoulder of Kelly.

Campbell lead him to far, or it could've been that Kelly just couldn't separate from Talib (Kweli!). Either way it was one of the rare throws where under throwing it is better than overthrowing it.

Posted by: RedDMV

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Probably true. It doesn't change the fact that Kelly, yet again, could not get separation, made a less-than-stellar effort on the ball, and looks more and more like a below average receiver.

Not what you should expect from a 2nd round draft pick.

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

2008 draft could not have gone worse.

The only person making plays for you is your 7th rounder? How does that even happen?

And in case it already hasn't been said this week, the team won despite JZ not because of him.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 5, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Red

Thats what the commentators said, but when Campbell threw the ball Kelly had Talib beat, then let the smaller CB bully him to the sideline. I would rather see more DT than MK, he at least looks like he enjoys being out there. Was the throw great, nope, should Kelly at least got a hand on it, yes. Kelly has proven that he doesnt know how to use his height or body. That doesnt make him a bust, but he is closer to a bust than DT or Sleepy Davis.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 5, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Rypien agreed here is the problem though the offense is that bad... If we can all agree that we arent making it to the PLAYOFFS! then why not find out if Collins can operate in this offense?? What have we got to lose look at the schedule and be honest does JC gives us any better chance to win?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Listening to the Radio this morning is was funny to hear that Cooley was disappointed that he wasnt called upon to do the punting duties when Hunter Smith went out with a groin pull. Cooley stated that he is listed as the backup and when Hunter went out of the game, he went up to Zorn and asked if he should get his leg ready. He actually sounded disappointed he didnt get a shot to punt.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 5, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"That's like me saying,'So, you're saying the only way JC17 can deliver a pass is if there is ONLY atleast 3 yards of separation? JC17 is a Bust.'"

Funny, didn't I read that exact sentiment earlier somewhere?

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

gator, thats laughable, can you imagine the reaction the first time cooley punted if he pulled his hamstring, and was lost for any amount of time?? JZ/JC know that if cooley/moss go down for any time, its game over....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Rypien agreed here is the problem though the offense is that bad... If we can all agree that we arent making it to the PLAYOFFS! then why not find out if Collins can operate in this offense?? What have we got to lose look at the schedule and be honest does JC gives us any better chance to win?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Exactly my point, once again, Zorn should realize his azz is on the hot seat and more than likely he's gone. JC is definitely gone no matter what now after such a crappy offensive start to the season and this game so why should Zorn go down with the JC ship? If he had half a brain he would get Collins in there against a couple bad teams and see if he can put up points. Then at year end he could say to Snyder, hey, its not my system its the crap QB you saddled me with to start. If we can go get a decent QB and rebuild my oline I can win in this league.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here at the game?

Anyone here a Baller like me that sits up in the nose bleed sections 454 or 453?

Please tell me someone else heard the annoying Tampa Bay chick.

The loudest cheer came when the cops came and ejected her sorry arse. Too funny, people in the section were cheering for her ejection, most of us didnt get to see the Cooley TD because we were standing applauding the cops for getting her out of the stadium.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 5, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't think MK, DT or FD suck.

Just because Campbell can't get them the ball doesn't mean anything.

And in this league, being "open" is not defined by what Moss did today on the TD (although having that kind of seperation is nice).

I watch as many games as I can each week, and the good QBs put the ball in there even when the coverage is decent. And the reason is simple: They HAVE to. In the NFL, the defenders are so good that the WRs cannot rely on getting 2 or 3 yards of separation on a regular basis.

If JC can't figure out how to make those tight throws, his career as a starter won't last much longer.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 5, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Funny, didn't I read that exact sentiment earlier somewhere?

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 12:35 PM

From me. Because it is true.

But, back to that play. Was it or was it not a bad throw by Campbell?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 5, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The thing that scares me is the fact that we looked so bad against Tampa in the first half. I do not think I've seen a worse first half of football by the skins. We could have been down 16-0 if they had a decent kicker. To be down at home to an 0-3 Tampa team 16-0 would have been a monumental disaster. The fact that we got back into it and only gave up 3 points in the second half is good, but thats how we should have played the whole game. If we potentially could have been down 16-0 to Tampa, just think what will happen when we play Philly, Dallas, NY, and New Orleans. They better get their heads out of their a$$es when the big boys come to town.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 5, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

This team will go how JC and JZ go this year, and that's the end of it. Putting Todd in accomplishes nothing, and it won't happen unless JC and the offense continue to be as bad as they were in the first half yesterday.
Posted by: Rypien11 | October 5, 2009 12:29 PM


But it would accomplish something….we would (possibly) be able to tell if it is a horrible system (Zorn) or horrible QB play (Campbell)….do you not agree with that?
I do agree with you that we prolly won’t see it unless Campbell gets hurt, or regresses to some degree.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 5, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Bench Campbell - because Todd is not the long term answer at QB. He has another year or two at backup, and that's likely it.

If JC isn't the answer, then the team is going to have to do some serious shopping in the offseason for a new franchise QB.

And likely a new everything else....

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 5, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said in his presser that we might carry two punters this week, one to punt and let Hunter Smith rest and just be the holder.....seriously? has any other team ever dressed two punters? I know teams like the Colts and Panthers dress two Kickers one for kickoffs and one for FGs, but two punters? seriously?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Red

Thats what the commentators said, but when Campbell threw the ball Kelly had Talib beat, then let the smaller CB bully him to the sideline. I would rather see more DT than MK, he at least looks like he enjoys being out there. Was the throw great, nope, should Kelly at least got a hand on it, yes. Kelly has proven that he doesnt know how to use his height or body. That doesnt make him a bust, but he is closer to a bust than DT or Sleepy Davis.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer

Learning to use his body properly to shield the ball is one of those things rookie receivers are taught early on. Malcolm Kelly should be onto this if he had some decent coaching... uh, wait, I just answered my own question.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 5, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 12:39 PM

Agreed. Trying to say the same thing myself.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 5, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

ZJFR2 I agree with you the problem is JC is a double edged sword for Zorn... Zorn was not meant to be the head coach here that was an accident... He was brought in to bring JC along and all we heard during the offseason was how JC had really stepped up his game. In fact Zorn told us repeatedly how confident he was in JC and how far he had come in the offseasoon...

Truth is Campbells lack of improvement during the offseason is only making Zorn look worse

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"But, back to that play. Was it or was it not a bad throw by Campbell?

Posted by: 4thFloor"

It was a bad throw. It was equally a bad route and a bad effort by Kelly. They were not mutually exclusive. Just like it was a bad first half by Campbell, and equally a bad first half by the offensive line, who let up multiple sacks on the first 4 plays of the game. Everybody is to blame here.

I'll preface my next statement with this: I like Moss. I think he's a very good WR, and might be my favorite Redskin since the Gibbs days (aside from ST21). But if Moss is outshining Malcolm Kelly THAT badly, then there is something wrong with Kelly. Santana is not Randy. Randle El looked better as the #2 WR. By a mile. It's not even close. Even David Patten looked better as the #2 WR. Kelly looks like Brandon Lloyd out there, without the attitude. I sure as hell hope he gets better, but the guy has sucked for the first 4 games of this season.

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I was ready for us to bench Campbell along with everyone else at halftime, but looking back I want to ask this question.

What is worse? Making no mistakes, but making no plays or making mistakes and making plays.

I would rather have Campbell throwing a few picks if that means he will actually try to make some plays. It is a lot better than having no int's and no TD'S.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 5, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Dlhaze - it may tell that, yes... but I don't think its time for that yet. I think at 2-2, the season isn't over. The Titans are 0-4 and keeping their 50 year old QB at starter, I think we can do the same.

If we're 3-4, 2-5 at the bye, then maybe its Todd time.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 5, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Blauche made some changes on Defense.

What if the Defense really has found something and they go out and kick Carolina's butt, shut them down, create a few turnovers.

I can see that happening. Doc Walker said yesterday that he saw the types of changes on Defense by Blauche that created good defensive play.

If Blauche has figured it out like Doc says and the Offense hasn't and it lays an egg against Carolina, Blauche might be the Redskins coach for game six.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 5, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Now that we will be dressing 2 punters, there goes my hope of seeing Marko and Alridge suit and play next week. Tashard Choice is playing so well for Dallas. Alridge could be that type guy given a chance.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 5, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn said in his presser that we might carry two punters this week, one to punt and let Hunter Smith rest and just be the holder.....seriously? has any other team ever dressed two punters? I know teams like the Colts and Panthers dress two Kickers one for kickoffs and one for FGs, but two punters? seriously?"

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Yea that's a much better choice than dressing Marko Mitchell who has 100x the chemistry with JC that Kelly/Thomas do as evidenced by their production thus far.

Panda's are crying all over the world over the idiocy with which this organization is run top to bottom on a daily basis.

Posted by: mac2j | October 5, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Bench Campbell - because Todd is not the long term answer at QB. He has another year or two at backup, and that's likely it.

If JC isn't the answer, then the team is going to have to do some serious shopping in the offseason for a new franchise QB.

And likely a new everything else....

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 5, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is arguing that Collins is the long term franchise QB. But at this point its obvious that Campbell isn't either, so why not give Collins a shot for this year and find out if anybody besides Cooley and Moss can play offense and perhaps if it JZ's crap system/playcalling or if it has all been on JC's inability to read defenses and go through his progressions....that's my argument, your obviously not a contender this year, why not find out what really needs to be fixed especially since you know now that JC isn't gonna be the guy long term, if Collins comes in and puts up 20/game with the exact same talent then it may be that Zorn gets another year with a new QB you go get this offseason.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

ZJFR2 I agree with you the problem is JC is a double edged sword for Zorn... Zorn was not meant to be the head coach here that was an accident... He was brought in to bring JC along and all we heard during the offseason was how JC had really stepped up his game. In fact Zorn told us repeatedly how confident he was in JC and how far he had come in the offseasoon...

Truth is Campbells lack of improvement during the offseason is only making Zorn look worse

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

ZJFR2 I agree with you the problem is JC is a double edged sword for Zorn... Zorn was not meant to be the head coach here that was an accident... He was brought in to bring JC along and all we heard during the offseason was how JC had really stepped up his game. In fact Zorn told us repeatedly how confident he was in JC and how far he had come in the offseasoon...

Truth is Campbells lack of improvement during the offseason is only making Zorn look worse

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Jumbo you are crazy if you think for a second that most 14-10 is going to get it done

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Ok 35-34 same result people will always complain...

Just look at the talk of this here blog this morning..


The Anti-JC/JZ thing basically stems from Snyder's 10th year owning this team. We are all so frustrated because of 'One Step Forward/Two Steps Back' we have been doing since 1999.

At that rate, we may be in 1993 all over again. (The Petibone year)

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 5, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse


This is an example of what i'm talking about.The front office tried hard to replace the qb in the offseason,the sportstalk/bloggers went nuts with how they were treating him,and now after an improbable win,they all want him gone,and blame the front office for not addressing the position...

Do you or anyone else think we lose to the lions if Cutler were the qb?would this past game had been so close?hell we may have even beaten the Giant,but yet you people still consider Snyder and Cerrato idiots.

Look i'm not down on JC that was an impressive second half,and i don't care if he's the qb next year or not all i want to see is a win,and i don't give a damn about style points.do you think the Bears fan were complaining about their trip to he superbowl with and infearior qb and squeking out a few wins?

It just comes across as if most of you guys would rather lose 45-42 than win 9-7..as a life long Redskins fan i've lived thru the superbowls and then the really dark days of norv turner(talking about always losing the close ones?)

And one last thing,if the Skins have had such a bad owner,gm,coach,o-line,defense,qb and wideouts over the last ten years why have they been in so many game with a chance to win in the end(i don't think any other team has played in as many 7 piont or less games as we have? imo it's the quarterback that seperates the skins and eagles,chargers and the other teams that are constant contenders.

As long as he wears burgundy and gold i will root for him,and not blame him for every little mistake,the funny thing is almost everyone on this blog last year was complaining about how he didn't take chances,and how an int wasn't always a bad thing,my how things have changed in a year.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 5, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

For those who think the Skins D played well, remember we gave up 130 rushing yards to the Bucs. What do you think DeAngelo Williams will do to us with 2 weeks of rest? He will have a huge day if we can't figure out how to stop the run. Gameplan.....Put 8-9 in the box and force Delhomme to beat us.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 5, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

QBs have bad games. QBs have putrid games. The special ones lift themselves up. That's what Campbell did.

Posted by: psps23 | October 5, 2009 11:16 AM
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Ummmm I would say he has had more than one putrid game.
(from Boz)
Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities, rank lower.

let go of JC.. save your typing...JC and JZ are gone next year...
Its an uncapped year and Snyder has more money than Afganistan..
There will be a dedicated runway at Dulles just to handle the volume of Head Coaches and Free Agent (and their Agents) who will be flying into Ashburn.... Redskins Park will be the Dubai of the NFL. Think of the Yankees and MLB.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 5, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

What is really stopping Rogers from being an upper tier CB is his hands. He is above average in coverage and can be trusted one on one, usually. Our CB situation is kind of funny. You have big play DHall, who is a double edged sword. He makes big plays and he gives big plays too. On the other side you have the seemingly 2x amputee that is Rogers, I am guessing his stomach/chest are made out of rubber which is why the ball just bounces out all the time. But on the good side, Rogers doesn't really get burnt. Maybe if the Skins played with a nerf football...

Posted by: moosepod | October 5, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

If the team signs another punter, then that means there will be a roster subtraction (someone gets the axe). My vote is for Renaldo Wynn. I don't think he has even played. If he has, he hasn't gotten a tackle...

As for carrying two punters, I, too think that is crazy. Let the backup QB hold the ball on field goals like most of the other teams in the league and put Hunter on the inactive list.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 5, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Two big changes I institute this week. Marginal maybe but i'd do'em:

AA on punt returns and a few series replacing Betts on 3rd down. I know psp will call me out. But Betts doesn't cut it for me as a 3rd down back. Sure as an out let pass without a defender within a mile he gains some yards....but Kelvin Bryant he ain't

DT#11 at least sharing KR duties. Maybe that does help him get his head in the game. All playas are different, maybe he needs his juices running and doesn't do well coming in cold.

At this point you'd hope the coaching staff would have a feeling about how to best utlize the assets they have....

Basically let me sum up: "ugh:

Posted by: chrislarry | October 5, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Hunter Smith has been the best, most reliable free agent hire this offseason ... probably several offseasons. The reason Suisham is kicking better is because he's getting better holds.

Posted by: dcsween | October 5, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

cl, how about any changes, for that matter, anything...try something differrent for a change...stop being satisfied scoring 14 points.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

ZJFR2 - I agree that that is important, but its equally if not more important to be sure that JC is NOT the long term answer under Zorn's wing... and I think you have to wait AT LEAST until the bye to determine that. We haven't looked good so far, but we're still 2-2 with 2 weak opponents coming up. Teams have been in worse spots and bounced back.

Again, if no improvement after Philly, then maybe changes should be made...

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 5, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The Albert Haynesworth watch...

Haynbesworth 9 tackles 1 sack through 4 games...

Is that worth $100 Million??

For everyone saying that he is a presence forget that thus far we are worse against the run then last year

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"cl, how about any changes, for that matter, anything...try something differrent for a change...stop being satisfied scoring 14 points.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Yeah I agree, I was just floating a few I would do.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 5, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

ryp, you think you have to wait till the bye?? What have you seen so far this year that gives you this impression?? The offense is averaging what 15 points a game, and has done so for the past 20 games, and you want to wait a little while longer?? Really?? what is going to happen between now and then that makes you think things will change?? Are we trading mason for Brady?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Enjoyed the chats in Redskins & NFL wrap up, Cindy! Loved your response to Paris, France.. really made me laugh. BTW- I was "Monday Night Football". (lol)

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 5, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

For all of you saying this was the worse 1st half you can remember please refer tot he below link.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20311-2002Oct13.html

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 5, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

ryp, you think you have to wait till the bye?? What have you seen so far this year that gives you this impression?? The offense is averaging what 15 points a game, and has done so for the past 20 games, and you want to wait a little while longer?? Really?? what is going to happen between now and then that makes you think things will change?? Are we trading mason for Brady?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 5, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Bean has actually come to the reality of this team and not the wait and see optimism....when did hell freeze over? I missed it....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 5, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Redskins001,

There's great wisdom in your question. I have always rooted against the Green Bay Packers and when Farve first started out and he was throwing interceptions all over the place and blowing games, I was LOL.

But now we see what Brett Farve has become. You don't like to see the interceptions and the fumbles, but it may be a necessary evil, more for some than others, on the path to success and greatness.

Terry Bradshaw was horrible when he started out. He was so bad that Jefferson Joe Street took the QB job from him. Joe Williams was a black QB and good. Responsible for some great early Pittsburgh wins to start there Superbowl treak.

It would be easy to say that JC is not a good QB, but along with you, I am not ready to make that easy decision yet.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 5, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Trust me you can have the best GM in football, but if you have a cheap owner you will not win.

Posted by: Flounder21

I wouldn't strictly define the Roony's or Bob Kraft as "cheap" but they are the polar opposites of mindless spendthrifts like Danny.

Yet they win year after year by drafting well, NOT overspending on FA's or to retain vets, and by coaching stability and skill.

So, no matter how you try to spin it, history shows a team has a much better chance of winning with a smart, tightfisted owner than a dumb spendthrift.

And therein lies Problem One.

Posted by: TheCork | October 5, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Can we get some decimals in here? Percentages only add up to 96% at the moment.

Posted by: svxcountry1 | October 5, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Kelly and Thomas have been disappointments, but sometimes I think JC makes his job harder than it is.

He appears to be unwilling to throw the ball before the WR breaks much of the time, which means the CB gets time to recover if he's beat. If nothing else, he is late with the ball far too often - something else that can make any WR look worse than they are.

JC has a ways to go. Whether he'll make some of those improvements as the year goes on is anyone's guess.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 5, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Rypien agreed here is the problem though the offense is that bad... If we can all agree that we arent making it to the PLAYOFFS! then why not find out if Collins can operate in this offense?? What have we got to lose look at the schedule and be honest does JC gives us any better chance to win?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 5, 2009 12:34 PM

Collins is not going to play for the new coach, which under your assumption there will be. He's too old, and a career backup. Starting Collins will also signify that the team is being managed by Snyder and not Zorn as JC still has support of the team and the coaches. It a no win situation for the team if Collins starts at this point. The only thing that'll be satisfied is the ego of arm chair GMs and coaches.

Posted by: TWISI | October 5, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I have been a supporter of both Zorn and Campbell, but JC should have been benched at half just to see what Collins could do. Make a change now and the season is done.

This team has no inspiration to do more than the minimal effort. They seem to try to do just enough to win and it's working about half the time now. The 2 losses are by only 11 pts. combined and the two wins are by 5 pts. combined.

Most players are spoiled millionaires, but nobody likes their coach up in their face!! Blache & Zorn needs to start ripping into players in front of everybody!! They should have grabbed Rogers by his facemask and told him he is f'ing benched if he drops another INT.

Plus is anyone else really tired of seeing other teams QB have all day in the pocket and this defense can't even touch them. They need to start punishing some QBs and get them off their games! A blitz or some kind of stunt would be appreciated, what they're doing ain't working!

Posted by: mrlowery1 | October 5, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Carolina will win on the legs of DeAngelo Williams | #34 | RB

Posted by: fwroy | October 5, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Collins is what, 38/39 years old? If you had a young guy, JC's age or younger, then benching the starter to change things up and see what he can do makes sense. If Collins were anything but a carrier journeyman backup, then you might make a case. But putting in Collins maybe improves things. Maybe (a big maybe) he gets to 8-8 or 9-7 and maybe makes the playoffs. But next year you have the same problem. Play JC or go into the draft and get the next hotshot QB who maybe can play (or not). Collins is not a solution beyond this season. Since the Skins decided to go with only two QBs it's his job until the end of the season, either in January or earlier do to injury.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | October 5, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

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