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Predict the Rams-Redskins Outcome

By Cindy Boren  |  September 17, 2009; 9:41 AM ET
 
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Whats the spread

Posted by: Skins281 | September 17, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

After seeing how the Rams struggled with the Seahawks intermediate passing game I would think Cooley & ARE will once again have big days.

Posted by: will_ga | September 17, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Great article by Boswell ... Time to open it up and see if this thing flies! It might be the only thing that saves Zorn's and Campbell's jobs! GO SKINS!

Posted by: sjw1 | September 17, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Skins, 30-6.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 17, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

My heart says it should be us by at least two TDs. My head says we'll find a way to keep it close cause we always do so it will be us by 10 or less. My fear hopes the ghost of Pete Kendall doesn't strike and we're not too loose thanks to all the rap we're listening to at practice and taking the Lambs to lightly........

I do think we will because the Rams are that bad but can anybody seriously tell me if they think after getting your azzzz handed to you by a division rival in which you looked like you couldn't block, tackle, and were out of shape that Belicheck, Parcells, Cowher, or shoot even Gibbs would be worried about playing music at practice to keep the players loose? I know it shouldn't bug me as much as it does but that post pissed me off, how bout putting pads on and do some hitting! Show up with some intensity, play good football, play as hard as your opponent, win some football games and then we can worry about staying loose until then every mediocre performer on this team should be tight and scared for their job because they aren't getting it done.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Skins will continue to struggle against most opponents until the offense is able to REGULARLY and with some CONSITENCY move the ball. Not just in 2 minute drill. This has been going on for a few years.
Btw I am a LONG time skins fan.

Posted by: scottboren | September 17, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"and were out of shape"

The whole 'this team is out of shape' bullcrap is quickly approaching Leigh Torrance levels...

Who other than Lavar Ihaveanaxetogrind Arrington has suggested this??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

sjw1,
I respect Boswell as much anybody else, but the more realistic outcome is that Zorn continues holding back, and fronting a litany of excuses for why he did so. I definitely disagree with that, big time. But it's what's happened thus far. If Zorn hasn't trusted Campbell up til now why is there reason to think that will change?

Posted by: pgugino | September 17, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Bean when your $40 mil man needs a breather during the first series you got conditioning issues.....listen I get DTs don't play the whole game, there is a rotation and what not and that fat Albert playing 70% of the snaps is normal and to be expected but he tapped out on like the 6th play of the game.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Who other than Lavar Ihaveanaxetogrind Arrington has suggested this??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:04 AM |

True from what I remeber Arrington didn't work to hard in practice.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 17, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

And whether we were in shape or not is very debatable, what isn't is that we just got handled easily by a division foe with poor blocking, tackling, and either playcalling or play execution being directly the cause and JZ is worried about his players looseness....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins will win this one 24-7, but it will be the defense that really shines. I think the Redskins D has an axe to grind, and unlike the offense, they have a coordinator who will make winning adjustments each week.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 17, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

zj, he didn't need a breather during the first series....so not to bring reality into this, but you wanna try again??

I love how shortsighted people have become regarding AH, I mean its laughable, it really is. As SOON as this guy hits the sideline, people practically crap their pants, "WE'RE PAYING HIM 100 MILLION"...

He played more than 70 percent of the defensive snaps, while facing double teams the MAJORITY of the plays...but he's out of shape...

wow....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

seems to me they are already too loose...

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

For those who thought we were out of shape,
show me a defense that had to stay on the field as long as we did--and against arguably the best o line in the NFL--and I'll show you a tired group of players. We execute 3rd downs like we should and that doesn't happen. Combo of poor play and play calling.

Posted by: pgugino | September 17, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Redskins ∞

Rams ∏

Book it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 17, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

osc, they were 11-5 and didn't make the playoffs, so how successful were they? Listen, look at his career, you remove TB from the win loss column, and he's under .500, so how much credit should he get.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 9:56 AM


Brady's got a lot to do with his success, but let's not discount him completely...you DO have to still put a team around him. After all, Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 17, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

From Boswell's column:

"Zorn has had two offseasons, two training camps, two preseason schedules and 17 regular season games in which to teach his pupils. At some point, you have to grade the teacher if the students don't learn. Last season, Zorn never stopped fretting. A Giants season opener on the road may be the wrong time to give the family teenager the keys to the Jaguar.

But if not now, with the Rams and the Lions on deck, when? "


AMEN!!!!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is rigid is BOTH rigid AND soft...and neither in positive ways:

At any level of team sport coaching when a HC has a greater belief in a "system/philosophy/" than the assessments of the talents, skills and limitations of the players = EPIC FAIL.

Zorn is textbook for that kind of rigid.

Tomlin is the exact opposite. Keeps Dick Leabeau who runs a completely different system than he had previously coached as D-CORD/COACH. Understood that you keep what works if the talent was built around it. And its not like he has not personally stamped the team....and why...b/c he understood as HC you have to manage the entire team not micromange the part your previous expertise lies in.

Bellichek, might be a dbag AND lucky with Brady...BUTT that team is chameleon-esq in how they have shed philosophies per personel...3/4..to 4/3...smashmouth to bombs away...no WRs? Ben Watson has career year.

Even that windbag coughlin lightened the F up after player revolts....guess what...championship...


Zorn is soft, but not a players coach. Dudes like Parcells, Cowher, Tomlin will ride a team like a marine drill sergeant when they dont get the results and execution they want....butt then they also know how to treat the players like men when deserved/earned it and build a "die for you" like bond, Also they fall on the sword when its there fault OR deflecting blame from players is needed.

Zorn acts a cornball and lets them where jeans or somesiht but he doesnt treat them like men, doesn't scare/inspire them and throws them ALL under the bus at first op.

Zorn blows....if they win SB this year my base opinion won't change.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 17, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

brown, take a look at the 2001 team, the 2003, and the 2004 teams, and name me some of the guys from those teams who were good/great?? They were winning with David Givens, Deion Branch, Troy Brown, and David Patten at WR. Once they got Brady some top end receivers what happened. They went 18-1. Brady is a much better player than Dan Marino, TB is probably the most cerebral player in the league...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

WHERE ARE THEY NOW:

1- BRIAN ORAKPO - busting chops for the REDSKINS. Great pick. Should be solely a DE IMHO.

2- There was one?

3- KEVIN BARNES - On the current roster, but hasn't done anything to convince me he should be there - YET!

4- Ditto # 2.

5- CODY GLENN - Whew! The gamble that really was. Next up, MIKE WILLIAMS.

6- ROBERT HENSON - Decent pick and potential, only potential, future starting LB at this point.

7- EDDIE WILLIAMS - Practice squad ghost at Fed Ex.

C- MARKO MITCHELL. What can I say? After this year and last, I think Mr. CERRATO should trade all our picks except those in the compensatory rounds and the supplemental futures. Well-l-l, except for #1.

2010:

3- JEREMY JARMON - great pick and future DE starter, IMHO of course.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 17, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

OK fess up, who voted for "Rams by 20 or more"? The Giants only beat us by 6 at an away game. Rams by 20 what are you smoking?

Posted by: rexforab | September 17, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

couldn't agree more CL, he was a terrible hire, he's a quirky fun interview that I'm sure made Cerrato fall in love but when it comes to running this team and handling men he has been horrible. He has mishandled public incidents with veteran players (CP, Jansen)he ran a very light training camp after a epic collapse last season, and now he seems to not be concerned at all about the way they played in NY and more concerned with staying loose and medium......not to mention the schemes or lack there of that don't seem to fit the personnel on offense. I honestly think Zorn is confused on what he wants to be, I've never heard a WCO more concerned about "establishing the run", we have a Oline best suited for pass pro, we have a QB that likes to be in the Shotgun, whats wrong with running 90% of the time from that and using the screens, swings, and short passing game that is standard WCO stuff while taking the deep shots occasionally....I'm sure CP will get on board quickly if he starts getting the ball in space out on the flats instead of taking a pounding inside and you can still run draws and off tackle stuff from the shotgun.....maybe we should get him a copy of Madden so he can see a playbook where they do that kind of stuff, I run it all the time with our team and its nasty....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Where did we play them last time? Away?

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 17, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Who the hell says we're giving up REID? This is a town hall and we're just venting. Don't YOU get it? If we had given up, we wouldn't be here supporting your pay-check by posting.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 17, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

anyone who brings up something they did in madden, then compares it to "reality", is just straight tart....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"Predict the Rams-Redskins Outcome"

Why?

Posted by: Samson151 | September 17, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

The Texans signed RB Anthony Aldridge, cut by the Redskins at the end of the summer, to their practice squad.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

anyone who brings up something they did in madden, then compares it to "reality", is just straight tart....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

It was a joke bean, lighten the f up will you, you don't have to be an a-hole all the time....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

brown, take a look at the 2001 team, the 2003, and the 2004 teams, and name me some of the guys from those teams who were good/great?? They were winning with David Givens, Deion Branch, Troy Brown, and David Patten at WR. Once they got Brady some top end receivers what happened. They went 18-1. Brady is a much better player than Dan Marino, TB is probably the most cerebral player in the league...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:19 AM


Brady better than Marino? Disagree, dude. Marino may be the greatest pure passer of all time. I'll buy TB as a better leader, not as a better player.

But you forget those Patriot teams were driven by the defense. If not for that D, they don't beat any of the 3 teams they played in the Super Bowl(even though the Panthers ran it up on them pretty good) and they had a great clutch kicker who you would actually put in the conversation for the Hall of Fame. Brady's exploits are for naught without those factors (especially when all 3 Super Bowls were won on Vinatieri field goals).

And let's also give Belichick credit for DEVELOPING Brady. He may not have done it directly, but he hired the staff who did. They took a 6th rounder and made him a Hall of Famer.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 17, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Picked the'SKINS by nine or less. I roll with the post saying we should win by more, but will undoubtedly find a way to make it close.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 17, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

2- There was one?
-Pat White QB for the Dolphins

4- Ditto # 2
Sammie Lee Hill Defensive tackle for he Lions

Posted by: alex35332 | September 17, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

anyone who brings up something they did in madden, then compares it to "reality", is just straight tart....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:29 AM


Dude, why are you tasting posters?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 17, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Thank you chrislarry for the ZORN assessment. I'm coming around to that philosophy myself, although a little more slowly than you. I'll give JZ another 12 games, then see what's up.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 17, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Picked the'SKINS by nine or less. I roll with the post saying we should win by more, but will undoubtedly find a way to make it close.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 17, 2009 10:33 AM


It's called playing down to your competition. The Skins have perfected that in the last 10 years or more...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 17, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Detracting from Belichick because he has Brady (or the other way around) is like detracting from Bill Walsh because he had Montana.

The Patriots won Super Bowls with a ball control offense and a big play defense. The Patriots also put up the single most prolific offense of all-time, even though Belichick is a defensive mastermind. Both guys are beyond special.

Posted by: psps23 | September 17, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Texans sign former UH back Alridge
After stints with Broncos and Redskins, RB joins practice squad
By JOHN McCLAIN
Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle
Sept. 16, 2009, 12:43PM
.
Karen Warren Houston Chronicle
After finishing his career with at UH, Alridge played with the Denver Broncos and the Washington Redskins.


The Texans have signed former University of Houston running back Anthony Alridge to their practice squad. Alridge, who was placed on waivers by Washington in the last roster reduction, replaces Buster Davis, who was placed on waivers Tuesday.

After finishing his career with the Cougars, Alridge signed with the Denver Broncos as an undrafted free agent. After he was waived by the Broncos, he signed with the Redskins.

john.mcclain@chron.com

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 17, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I am also with CL, however Zorn would have been a better coach if he was brought in after the rebuilding project not before.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 17, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The REDSKINS picked PAT WHITE and SAMMIE LEE HILL? When did this happen?

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 17, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Prediction: The Redskins will make a statement this week. Unfortunately that statement will be "We are not a very good team."

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 17, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

brown, agree to disagree on bb, I guess...for the record the pats had 2-sixth round picks that year, and TB was the 2nd of the 2....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Prediction: Skins lose to the Rams 16-10, finish the year 4-12 and select Tebow with their first pick in the 2010 draft.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 17, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

also brown, the phrase 'tart' is used in place of 'tard' so as not to offend...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The REDSKINS picked PAT WHITE and SAMMIE LEE HILL? When did this happen?

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 17, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

No, those picks were traded away and thats who was picked with them by the other team. I think if we picked pat white we would all be seeing cult of colt fans going over to the Whiteskins fan club

Posted by: alex35332 | September 17, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The REDSKINS picked PAT WHITE and SAMMIE LEE HILL? When did this happen?

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 17, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

In someone's Madden game

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 17, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Btown:

You do realize that he was with the Browns for his first five seasons, correct? Nobody wins with the Browns. If you take away those first five years it's 75%

You're saying 11-5 is not a successful season just b/c they didn't make the playoffs? Agree to disagree on that one.

I realize that TB is a large part of BB's success, but it is clearly also due to BB's schemes and game management. I don't really think you can debate that.

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | September 17, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

also brown, the phrase 'tart' is used in place of 'tard' so as not to offend...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

either way you're still an a-hole

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Here is the deal, at least my deal. I knew the Redskins had a tough row to how in the Meadowlands, and actually had them at 3-1 after the first 4 games.

Failing to make tackles, lining up 10-20 yards off receivers, throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage, calling the assinine reverse throw on play two, running left twice for no gain and then a bubble screen in the redzone vice attacking the endzone EVEN ONCE... They were POORLY COACHED and failed to execute BASIC FOOTBALL PLAYS.

This is UNACCEPTABLE and I for one refuse to accept it. I don't want excuses and reasons why they couldn't connect on this or that play. I want them to STFU, call a better game on both sides of the ball, and execute basic football skills. If they do that...let the chips fall. They were not even close last Sunday.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 17, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Skins blow em out. Because it's about time. We haven't had a huge day on offense since i can remember, but i see one on sunday. that giants loss depressed me all week, but im feeling pretty optimistic about this. I think we should be able to run the ball on them and hopefully open up the playbook (ie something besides a stretch run to the left, bubble screen to moss)

Posted by: brian58 | September 17, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I realize that TB is a large part of BB's success, but it is clearly also due to BB's schemes and game management. I don't really think you can debate that.

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | September 17, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

This is RI - anything and everything is debatable. Facts are the least of our worries.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 17, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

If the team does fall flat on its face and end up with 4-6 wins. Either Vinny and Zorn would need to be fired and a Gibbsian style system needs to be brought back into place so you can keep the roster together, or you can fire Zorn and Campbell, keep Vinny and continue to try and change to a west coast system.

Or we can burn down Snyders house or something. I dont know, whatever ya'll want to do.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 17, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I get that you live in the area BG and BB makes you wretch. Many NYC sports figures do the same for me. I also get hatin on greats. I despise m. jordan.

butt arguing that BB is anything less than a "very very good Coach" is DOA.

in the nfl, you are

Posted by: chrislarry | September 17, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

zj, go play madden....genius...

"If you take away those first five years it's 75%"

Right...and if we take away 2 touchdowns from the giants, we win that game.

you wanna deal in reality, and the real world, or you wanna play make believe....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

...your record

Posted by: chrislarry | September 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

This is RI - anything and everything is debatable. Facts are the least of our worries.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 17, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I single handedly take responsibility for this fact.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

...to "reality", is just straight tart....

zjfr2, you little trollop!

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | September 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse


also brown, the phrase 'tart' is used in place of 'tard' so as not to offend...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

either way you're still an a-hole

Posted by: zjfr2

Yes, but a "tarted" a-hole.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 17, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

BB makes you wretch

cl, gets it, he's just such a tool, I refuse to give him an ounce of credit...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

in the nfl, you are

and not in the nfl, you are too.

First you accuse Zorn of being soft, then you accuse him of handling the men... you can't have it both ways!

Posted by: daggar | September 17, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Btown. I was late with a bad joke.

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | September 17, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

tarted a-holes make me wretch.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 17, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

If we drop this game the resulting -ish storm will be so intense JC would have no choice but to start playing loose.

What we SHOULD do - after turning of the f-ing iTunes, Micky Mouse crap - is decide to go for the throat on Sunday, go all out.

What we probably WILL do is adopt a "must-win" conservative grind it out approach and gain enough separation to eek out a win, thus proving the odds makers right, and missing an opportunity to gain an IDENTITY that will serve us in November.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 17, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

If you haven't read the Boswell column, do so...it's a good read.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/16/AR2009091602710.html

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 17, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

First you accuse Zorn of being soft, then you accuse him of handling the men... you can't have it both ways!

Posted by: daggar

Of course you can, its called leadership. Balance between what appear to be disparate methods and a diverirty in approaches tailored to situation are firmly inside the leadership nutsac.

Forn Zorn some nuance into any of the many duties of NFL HC would be a welcome change.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 17, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

zj, go play madden....genius...

"If you take away those first five years it's 75%"

Right...and if we take away 2 touchdowns from the giants, we win that game.

you wanna deal in reality, and the real world, or you wanna play make believe....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

It was a freaking joke, as in maybe we should get him a copy since he seems to be too dumb to believe anything but his crappy playcalling works, a joke, like maybe we should get him a copy of football for dummies like in the Waterboy, a joke, have you ever heard of that? I wasn't actually suggesting that because I do something on Madden it should be done in the real world, I was being funny you cockknob. And for someone who has spent the week arguing to run all our plays from the shotgun I thought maybe you agree with the theme of the post, but I forgot that you have to be contrary on everything no matter what.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

brooklyn, agreed...as sad as that is, its probably accurate...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Right...and if we take away 2 touchdowns from the giants, we win that game.

you wanna deal in reality, and the real world, or you wanna play make believe....


Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Like the straw man you created says, "If you only had a brain"

I guess you agree with the rest of my post then?

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | September 17, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I forgot that you have to be contrary on everything no matter what.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 11:00 AM


Um, hate to interrupt but that's actually T_E. Carry on...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 17, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

@Cl

Are you predicting Jim Zorn = Norv 2.0?

This game needs to be a Gibbs 2.2 Rant vs. Reporters about 'how good the 49ers are and we shouldn't look past them' type game......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 17, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Whats the spread

Posted by: Skins281 |

Spread opened at Skins -10. Still at -10 at most places.

Skins need to develop attitude that they are going to destroy. Not that they will do enough to just win.

Posted by: saltine182 | September 17, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"@Cl Are you predicting Jim Zorn = Norv 2.0?"

Yeah basically, with a heavy dose of Surrier and a pinch of the "700 playbook" mentality of Weird Al..

Oh whatta cocktail!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 17, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Zj, I really wish you hadn't fessed up yet. You could've carried the Madden=reality argument for awhile longer and with some interesting responses.

Posted by: pgugino | September 17, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Zj, I really wish you hadn't fessed up yet. You could've carried the Madden=reality argument for awhile longer and with some interesting responses.

Posted by: pgugino | September 17, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

So aparently the Green Nats hat is a terrorist symbol, the Redskins name is raciest.

In related news the Capitols are angering fans with their red uniforms and russian heavy squad. And the Religious Zealots are against the wizards because the name promotes witchcraft like Harry Potter.

And most americans still don't like the DC United because they play soccer.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 17, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

lol, that was funny alex

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Hey Jason there is a new name for the redskin offense its called 3 AND Out!!!! Who cares about the score this is 17 14 kind of game i dont know why people thinking redskins gone put up 30 points . ZORNY gone suck as usual run , run pass punt... Blatche cover 3 zone corners 8 yards off the ball as usual nothing new to see people..

Posted by: chinngy23 | September 17, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

The reality is it was highly unlikely the Redskins, who've lost seven of eight against their division rivals, would win at Giants Stadium.

By Jason Reid | September 17, 2009; 6:30 AM ET

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Hence our "despair."

It's never a good sigh when folks are pointing to games on the schedule in terms of their relative degree of difficulty.

No one's "giving up" on the team, Jason.

We're just running on ten years worth of frustration. This here is the WASHINGTON REDSKINS, we play in the NFC East.

Take that attitude back to So. Cal and grab yourself an IN n Out burger while you're there.

We want to see good matchups with the competition right here in our own division, and then the decimation of teams like the Seattle Seahawks, who play in a weak division, in the first round of the playoffs.

... at the very least.

Then, and only then, will the chatter stop, and rightfully so.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 17, 2009 11:18 AM |

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 17, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

This game shouldn't be close. Given they lost to the Rams last year, and they are sitting at 0-1 with a storm of criticism up their butss already, I'd think they would be all business this week and drub the Rams.

Still...these guys tend to make easy things hard. We'll see.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 17, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

No option for how much we lose to the Rams by?

and not an ounce of consolation in beating the Rams by any less than 2 touchdowns and some change.

Circle the date:

October 26 against the Eagles.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 17, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Helluva nice thing for Vince Young to do.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4480272

Posted by: skinswest | September 17, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

as a fan who is pro-campbell, pro-zorn and really doesn't concern himself with the owner (since he's a jerk, so far)

I certainly haven't given up hope for the season, no knowledgable fan would look at the schedule and say, "week 1 @ new york...Win". I hoped we would win and I wanted to win and I had more hope than last year.

but, when the game is over and I analyze what happened, the end-around call was the most important play of the game.

Some things are unavoidable, like great players like Tuck making great plays, some things ARE avoidable AND unnecessary.

right now there are 16 undefeated teams and 16 winless teams, absolutely no need to panic.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 17, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins should come out punting against the Rams.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 17, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Hey Jason there is a new name for the redskin offense its called 3 AND Out!!!! Who cares about the score this is 17 14 kind of game i dont know why people thinking redskins gone put up 30 points . ZORNY gone suck as usual run , run pass punt... Blatche cover 3 zone corners 8 yards off the ball as usual nothing new to see people..

Posted by: chinngy23 | September 17, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Take a look at the game log from the Giants game and see how many "run, run, pass, punt" three-and-outs we had. I think it was ONE.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | September 17, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

but, when the game is over and I analyze what happened, the end-around call was the most important play of the game.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 17, 2009 11:24 AM

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No one is in a panic.

There is no despair.

and the play to ARE that everyone is pointing to as the reason why we lost to the Giants, which is RIDICULOUS, is a NON ISSUE if the man throws the fargin ball away, a very easy thing to do.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 17, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Take a look at the game log from the Giants game and see how many "run, run, pass, punt" three-and-outs we had. I think it was ONE.

Posted by: mhaslup1

You know, if they would just punt on first down it would totally dismiss this whole run-run-pass argument. Seriously, what does it matter if it is pass-pass-run, and you still are punting on fourth down. The only difference from punting on first down is about three yards and 120 seconds.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 17, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

If we can finish the season 4-12 by beating the Giants, Eagles, and Cowboys at home, and the Cowboys in their new stadium, then I'll be happy.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 17, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if somebody already posted this but here's scouts inc. preview:

Skins 27 Rams 16

After breaking down film of both teams, Scouts Inc. offers 10 things to watch in this week's Rams-Redskins matchup.

1. Finding Santana Moss: Where was the Redskins' No. 1 wide receiver in last week's loss to the New York Giants as he was held to two receptions for six yards? On tape it looks as if they were trying to get him on too many vertical routes. In theory that is good because of his speed, but this offensive line is struggling in pass protection. Look for the Redskins to get him the ball this week on a few bubble screens early to allow him to get the ball in his hands and make a play.

2. Pressure QB Marc Bulger: Washington spent a lot of money this offseason upgrading its defensive front, but against the Giants the Redskins had only one sack and two QB hits. Bulger has taken a lot of hits over the past few years and Seattle rattled him in Week 1. If the Redskins can't get there with four (as they couldn't last week), they will have to bring blitz pressure early.

3. Rams screen game: Even though the Rams were able to get Steven Jackson some solid touches in the run game last week (16 carries for 67 yards), he had zero receptions. Jackson is an excellent player in space and the Redskins do not tackle well in the open field. Look for the Rams to get the ball to Jackson via the screen and or swing passes to increase their best playmaker's touches.

4. Rams blitz pressures: New coach Steve Spagnuolo brought the same defense he ran in New York with him, which means a lot of exotic blitzes. Spagnuolo also knows QB Jason Campbell well from his days with the Giants, so he knows how to get him rattled. Look for the Rams to mix up their inside and outside blitz pressures this week in an attempt to confuse Campbell, who is still struggling in the Redskins' West Coast offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

5. Matchup to watch: St Louis MLB James Laurinaitis vs. Washington RB Clinton Portis: Laurinaitis led all rookies with 15 tackles last week. He shows very good speed and range and did a much better job in Week 1 of taking on and getting off blockers. Portis makes the Washington offense go. They need to get him going early to set up their play-action passing game, but that will be tough with Laurinaitis shadowing him all over the field.

6. TE Chris Cooley needs a solid day: With the Rams going to more of an attacking style of defense, they were vulnerable last week in coverage, especially trying to lock down Seattle TE John Carlson, who had a huge day. Cooley is a versatile TE who can move all over the field, so look for the Redskins to give the Rams a good dose of Cooley aligned in different spots along the field and in motion.

7. Washington run blitzes: St. Louis surprisingly threw the ball quite a bit on first down last week and had too many incompletions putting them in second and 10. They will run the ball early this week, but look for Washington to counter by run-blitzing to stack up Jackson in the hole.

8. Play-action sets up Avery: The Rams must be able to run the ball early to set up play action. Play action is an effective tool within the offense that allows them to get the ball to WR Donnie Avery in the vertical passing game. That can't happen if Jackson is not effective early in the game.

9. Atowege's versatility: Oshiomogho Atogwe is one of the best young safeties in the NFL whom people don't talk about. He has great quickness, speed and range. More important, they can move him all over the field. Look for him to continue to have a big impact as he gets acclimated to Spagnuolo's defensive system.

Matchup to watch: Washington MLB London Fletcher vs. Jackson: Fletcher is coming off an 18-tackle game last week. While he is excellent against the run, he does struggle at times in coverage, and this is where the Rams will looked to create a mismatch in this matchup.


Funniest of all though is across the top they do their breakdown of who has the edge in each phase:

QB - Skins
RB - Rams
WR - Skins
OL - Skins
DL - Skins
LB - Rams
DB - Skins
ST - Rams
Coach - Rams......how sad is that a rookie head coach who just got shut out in his first game is considered an edge over Zorn in year 2 with the much better team....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 17, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The Rams and Redskins are two teams that are evenly matched.

The game will be a close one.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 17, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

The Rams and Redskins are two teams that are evenly matched.

The game will be a close one.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 17, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

What's scary is that the Chia may be right about these teams being evenly matched.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 17, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Chia_Pet, really. Are we that bad that we match well with the Rams?

Posted by: pgugino | September 17, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Okay, I will admit that we definitely could be out-coached in this game. All other things being comparable, then okay, yeah, they could win. If they pressure JC, keep us off the field, and then do their thing against our defense successfully, I could see that.

Posted by: pgugino | September 17, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

No pgugino, we're not that bad.

but we are a team that has yet to develop a cohesive identity or to establish any consistency, which is to be expected, for any number of reasons.

much like the Rams.

and we are light years way from teams like the Giants.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 17, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

From the Times:

Starting free safety LaRon Landry made eight tackles and deflected a pass that was intercepted by DeAngelo Hall but stood out for several poor plays.

“Up and down,” safeties coach Steve Jackson said of Landry. “He did some good things and there are still some things to improve on. We’re headed right where we’re trying to get. The things he didn’t do well were little technique things – wrong angles.”

The ups: Stuffing Ahmad Bradshaw for no gain to force a Giants field goal on the opening drive and the interception.

The downs: Allowing completions of 25 and 17 yards on third-down snaps and a personal foul for hitting Brandon Jacobs out of bounds.

“Just overanxious to make a play,” Jackson said. “He has the same thing like the other safety we had here [Sean Taylor] – overzealous. He was forcing some things but it’s just part of growing up.”

Jackson is being kind -- Landry seemed out of sorts. He still takes bad angles in run pursuit, is still late getting to receivers and still tries to make the huge hit instead of maybe a lesser-impact hit that could result in a fumble.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Ok, let me put on my swami hat... something is coming clear... I see it... all right here it is: Redskins 49, Rams 0... oh wait, I got that backwards: Rams 237, Redskins 12... no wait, the Rams never make it to FedEx Field, they wind up at DeMatha facing off against the JV... JV 27, Rams 14...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 17, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Consider that Spagnulo's familiarity with game planning against the Redskins.

Steven Jackson could also hurt us offensively.

If London Fletcher makes any more than 10 tackles, we lose the game.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 17, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

and the play to ARE that everyone is pointing to as the reason why we lost to the Giants, which is RIDICULOUS, is a NON ISSUE if the man throws the fargin ball away, a very easy thing to do.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

Who always talks about rhythm and the importance of rhythm and getting a rhythm and maitaining a rhythm....Zorn

who prevented any rhythm whatsoever...Zorn

it's SO easy to blame the player, he should have thrown it away. COP OUT. He should have been blocking for Portis or in a pass pattern.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 17, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I really don't see any way that the Skins can win this one. I chose Rams by 9 or less, but I think it will be the Rams by less than a TD.

The Skins will just find a way to lose.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 17, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Agreed on LL, Greg.

The young man does seem a little lost and almost always a step too late.

Don't think his head is screwed on properly.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 17, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

zj, he didn't need a breather during the first series....so not to bring reality into this, but you wanna try again??

I love how shortsighted people have become regarding AH, I mean its laughable, it really is. As SOON as this guy hits the sideline, people practically crap their pants, "WE'RE PAYING HIM 100 MILLION"...

He played more than 70 percent of the defensive snaps, while facing double teams the MAJORITY of the plays...but he's out of shape...

wow....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 17, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse


Gotta go with Bean on this one.

I think one key indicator of AH's effectiveness in Game 1 was the fact that Fletch had 18 tackles.

One of the things you want/need from a monster DT is to eat up blockers and wear them out and keep your LBs free/unmolested to fly around and make plays.

Both Fletch and Rocky had nice games, and I think that's directly related to what AH is doing in front of them.

I'm also of the mindset that it's good to rotate in some fresh DTs. Let AH wear them out and bring in some well-rested guys for a knock out punch.

Posted by: p1funk | September 17, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see what calls Spags makes (on D and his O-Coordinator)..
Some revenge factor here, as he was dissed by the skins FO. According to NY press, Spags was actually the one who turned down the Skins Head Coaching job.. Not what the Skins press said (mutual decision).
My guess is during his interview.. he picked up on the dysfunctional leadership. And that he would be just a pawn in their Ego management.
Opted to stay as an assistant for 2008 and ran back to the Gints as fast as he could.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 17, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I just don't see this team as playing with any sense of urgency at all this week. It was the Rams game last year that utterly exposed this team, and this year's match-up will only confirm the downward spiral.

They just have too many playmakers on offense and defense, and Spags has a lot of experience game planning for this team.

Skins play like poorly at home anyways, and Zorn is coaching scared now, resistant to any risks that might actually improve the team's chance of success.

Rams 26 Skins 21

Posted by: McMetal | September 17, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

This town is just over the top negative regarding this team at this point.

Both radio stations pummel the Redskins at every turn...but the year just started. One station sits Lavar Arrington, who may be the most selfish, overrated, and oft injured clowns to ever suit up for this team, and he of course gives us his "objective" view of the current state of the franchise.

Numerous fans on this site predicting a loss, after they lose by 6 in New York. I wonder if the Pats fans are so negative, after it took some miraculous luck to beat a mediocre Bills team at HOME (they of course are not).

People are crying that AH was a bust in his first game (singing the "tepid start" tune of JLC, another axe grinder)...when anyone who knows the game could see he made a major impact on the line.

Campbell needs to be benched or has no hope, because he struggled in New York against what is considered the best pass rush in the league. SHOCKER.

Tell you what: those of you that will do nothing but moan about how lousy the qb, coach, and owner are at all turns just TIVO the games...and the rest of us will watch it live and let you know if you should see it, or delete. Will that work?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 17, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I hate to be this way, but I'll take a loss if it gets rid of Zorn. Immediately! Gruden or Cowher. No Shanahan and certainly no Gibbs III.

Posted by: larrypalma | September 17, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

If we can get the ball in the hands of Hunter Smith then we win.

Anyway this will be a close one because we will of course play down to the level of the opponent. Spags will have a game plan so we better be ready.

Skins 17
Rams 14

Posted by: Goss1 | September 18, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

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