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Griffin a 'Questionable Situation'

Jason Reid reports:

Defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin (shoulder/abdomen) sat out practice and might not play against the Cincinnati Bengals.

"He tried to go today, but his stomach muscle is still giving him problems," Coach Jim Zorn said. "That's a wait-and-see. That's kind of a questionable situation."

Although Griffin has not practiced this week, "we've got two more days, so we'll see how it goes," he said. "It's still sore, a little more than I thought. Just have to fight through it."

Of course, you can also vote here.

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Middle linebacker London Fletcher (foot) missed practice for the third straight day but is expected to play against Cincinnati. ... Right tackle Jon Jansen (Grade 2 knee sprain) was sore from his limited work in practice Thursday and did not participate today. He had not been expected to play.

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After sitting out the last two games, defensive lineman Kedric Golston (bone spurs) could play Sunday. "Looks promising," Zorn said. "He looked good. Now he's got to tolerate pain with those spurs. But I think he's going to go."

By Cindy Boren  |  December 12, 2008; 2:30 PM ET
 
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Dear Fullonfully, please stop pretending to be a fan of a team you know nothing about.

Carlos Rogers would start on any other team in the NFL right now.

That is all.

Posted by: Pleepleus | December 12, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I imagine skins will look to bring in vet wco qb (t rattay?) behind campbell and brennan...any other potential vet qb's in market?

Posted by: forever21 | December 12, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

he'd start for me if I had no one better..he's a chump

Posted by: fullonfully | December 12, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zeebs | December 12, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

he'd start for me if I had no one better..he's a chump

Posted by: fullonfully | December 12, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Well played. "so is your face" would have been a correct answer also.

Posted by: Pleepleus | December 12, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

any other potential vet qb's in market?

Although he hasn't played the QB position in a while, we should trade for Leigh Torrence.
With him, CP, and Sellers in the backfield, it'd be super bowl baby -- no one could match that level of awesome!

Posted by: daggar | December 12, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I'll see your weak-a$$ empty netter* and raise you with This Playoff Gem

*some poetic license might be taken in this description...

Posted by: daggar | December 12, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE DAGGAR, THE GOALIE LEFT THAT SITTING THERE. HE JUST POKED AT IT.

Posted by: Zeebs | December 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Inspector Tu-Tu will rush for over 5 billion yards in the first series alone.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | December 12, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

OK, IF IT MEANS THAT MUCH TO YOU!

Posted by: daggar | December 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I think that CP was hurt, genuinely hurt, earlier in the season and kinda rode that injury thing into "im banged up everywhere, only my hands dont hurt" kinda attitude to allow himself to "sneak" back to the treatment Gibbs gave him (its ok for the star RB to not practice cuz he fights his guts out on Sundays) when he really could have been practicing the last couple of weeks. Good for the Z man for callin him out.

BTW: If the Skins fire Zorn, regardless of whether he loses all 3 or wins all 3 remaining games, they are making a BIG mistake. If they fire JZ, think about how bad the offense was the second half this season, then apply that to how bad it could be next year, with Campbell and the rest of the offense learning a new system YET AGAIN!!! Let this guy grow, he's already exceeded expectations for a rookie HC. Its worth seeing Zorn through at least 3 years to see if he can lift this team vs hiring another new guy which in no way guarantees a better team and starting over at HC/assistants/o and d systems. With a rookie "GM" in Cerrato buying the groceries, it only makes a rookie HC's job harder. Hope that both Zorn and Cerrato learn and get better.

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | December 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

52 TCCLs -- Players

They were forced to respond and react to this mess, even though they had no role in it. This has been a classy and proud locker room for a while now - Gibbs deserves much credit for that - and the team displayed that again this week.

By Jason La Canfora | December 12, 2008; 1:00 PM ET


REDSKINS PLAYERS COOLING TO ZORN
Posted by Mike Florio on December 11, 2008, 8:34 a.m.
As if the recent outburst from running back Clinton Portis wasn’t enough to suggest that something is amiss with the Redskins, we’ve been told that multiple players are developing a sour taste in their mouths regarding the team’s first-year head coach, Jim Zorn.

Per a league source, the players perceive an attitude from Zorn that, when the team wins a game, it’s because of Zorn. And that when they lose a game, it’s because of the players.

The sense is that Zorn views himself as an elite coach after less than a year on the job — and despite a dramatic dip in the team’s performance after an unexpectedly strong start that had owner Dan Snyder whooping it up after back-to-back road wins against the Cowboys and the Eagles.

Where this leads, we’re not yet sure. When Zorn was hired, there was a sense that he possibly would be a one-year stop-gap until Snyder could lure Bill Cowher to town. (Indeed, Cowher has since confirmed that he was contacted by the Redskins in January.) After the ‘Skins began to soar under Zorn, however, the notion that he’d be a short-timer dissipated significantly.

But now that the team is at 7-6 and in last place in the NFC East, anything short of running the table and qualifying for the postseason could result in a major shake-up in D.C.

It wouldn’t be the first time that Snyder pulled the plug after only one year. He did it to Marty Schottenheimer following the 2001 season, which given Schottenheimer’s strong relationship with Cowher could make Cowher reluctant to do business with the organization.

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Somebody is lying here.

And I think it's the sourcerer (He's doing a real good job today as the sourcerer).......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

NAH, JUST DOING WORK THAT REQUIRES CAPS.... DONT WANNA KEEP TURNING ON AND OFF.

Posted by: Zeebs | December 12, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Inspector Tu-Tu will rush for over 5 billion yards in the first series alone.

oh, so the new guys will have four billion nine hundred ninety nine million, nine hundred ninety nine thousand, nine hundred twenty yards in holding penalties?

I thought they were supposed to be an upgrade?

Posted by: daggar | December 12, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

ah, you have that keyboard that requires both hands to press the caps lock, eh?

Posted by: daggar | December 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder/Cerrato fire Zorn, they will lose the small but hopeful bit of confidence of fans that thought they may be turning around and avoiding the woeful management that plagued this team since Snyder bought it. I am optimistic that Cerrato will improve. You heard fans for the last 2 or 3 years screaming for this team to not trade away draft picks especially when some of the players they traded for didnt work out, so what did Cerrato do? He drafted 10 freaking players April 2008! Now of course the draft selection last April, by position (especially the 2nd round), was questionable, but maybe, Just Maybe, Cerrato takes another step towards being a smart GM and drafts a high percentage of big men, who play around the line of scrimmage the next draft or 2... If the opportunity presents itself, trading for more draft picks, whether its for a Skins player or moving back in the 1st round would be a good idea this April, Vin, if you're listening...

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | December 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

here we go folks, this is all quoted from another board with the playoff scenarios for us :


"I'm going to start by appologizing for the length of this post, but I wanted to be as thorough as possible so that I know exactly who I should be rooting for the rest of the way (aside from the Skins of course).

So, if you don't want to read all this, I don't blame you, just skip to the bottom where I tell you who I'd like to see win this week based on the scenarios.

BTW, this is all research I did myself, I did not poach this from any website or media outlet, so take it for what it's worth.

Current Division Leaders
New York Giants - (11-2) overall, Clinched NFC East
Arizona Cardinals - (8-5) overall, Clinched NFC West
Carolina Panthers - (10-3) overall, (7-3) vs NFC, remaining = vs Den, @ NYG, @ NO
Minnestota Vikings - (8-5) overall, (6-3) vs NFC, remaining = @ Arz, vs Atl, vs NYG

Wild Card Contenders
Tampa Bay Bucs - (9-4), (8-3) vs NFC, @ Atl, vs SD, vs Oak
Dallas Cowboys - (8-5), (6-4) vs NFC, (2-2) vs NFC East, vs NYG, vs Bal, @ Phi
Atlanta Falcons - (8-5), (5-4) vs NFC, vs TB, @ Min, vs StL
Philadelphia Eagles - (7-5-1), (6-4) vs NFC, vs Cle, @ Was, vs Dal
Chicago Bears - (8-6), (6-5) vs NFC, vs GB, @ Hou
Washington Redskins - (7-6), (6-4) vs NFC, @ Cin, vs Phi, @ SF

Here is a review of the NFL's tiebreaking procedures:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=tiebreakers

Obviously, for the purposes of this discussion, I'm going to assume that the Redskins win all 3 of their remaining games. This would bring their record to (10-6) overall, (3-3) vs NFC East, and (8-4) vs NFC.

That would also include a victory over Philadelphia, which for all intents and purposes, eliminates the Eagles from playoff contention.

Now lets address the Redskins chances against the other contenders:

Chicago
If the Bears win out...

They finish (10-6), (7-5) vs NFC, (4-2) vs NFC North

Washington wins out in a tie-breaker because of better conference record.

Chicago can only make the playoffs if Minnesota does NOT win 10 games.

Minnesota

Because of the Bears scenario, Minnesota's playoff chances do not interfere with the Redskins' chances. Minnesota would win the NFC North if they tie Chicago at (10-6).

Carolina
If Carolina loses out...

Washington wins out in a tie-breaker because of better conference record.

Carolina MUST lose out for Washington to catch them for a playoff spot."


continued in next post :

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"They're a little better than decent," Coach Jim Zorn said of Houshmandzadeh and Johnson. "I know that if Shawn Springs can go, he's going to be out there.

"What I saw out there [at practice], he'll go. But it will all be on how he feels. If it swells again, that's the problem. It has been swelling on him. There's still an injury in there. He's not a hundred percent and this is not game-like conditions."


By Cindy Boren | December 12, 2008; 1:40 PM ET

Stuff like this is what is gonna get JZ fired this season.

He dosen't understand CoachSpeak and that def matters up here, such as not running the WCO in the NFC East......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

We can basically forget about following Carolina at this point. None of their games are of importance to the Redskins' chances (unless of course they lose the rest of their games).

Tampa Bay
Huge matchup this weekend with Atlanta. Redskins fans should follow this game closely.

If Tampa wins...

The Bucs clinch a playoff spot, taking one of the two remaining Wild Card spots out of play. The Bucs would have a (9-3) record vs the NFC which is better than any team contending for the Wild Card can produce.

However, this might be the best scenario for Redskins fans.

Atlanta could then finish NO BETTER than (10-6), (7-5) vs NFC. Thus allowing the Redskins to beat them in a tie-breaker due to better conference record.

If Tampa loses...

Both Atlanta and Tampa would still be alive to finish (11-5), likely getting both into the playoffs. The Redskins would then need Atlanta to lose one of their last two games (@ Min, vs StL) or Tampa to lose one of their games (vs SD, vs Oak).

If Tampa were to lose one of those games, the Redskins would win because of their (4-1) record vs TB's (3-2) record in games against common opponents.

Washington split with Dallas, while TB lost their only meeting and Washington beat New Orleans with TB splitting their meetings. Both teams defeated Seattle and Detroit.

Dallas
Here's the biggest road block. If Tampa takes that playoff spot by defeating Atlanta this week, the Redskins would have to jump Dallas to get the last playoff spot.

Dallas still can finish (11-5) by winning out, thus eliminating the Redskins (if Tampa has already clinched).

If Dallas finishes (10-6) by defeating New York and Baltimore OR Baltimore and Philadelphia...

The Redskins would win a the tie-breaker because both teams would have (3-3) division records, but Washington's (8-4) conference record would be better than Dallas' (7-5).

Also, in this scenario both teams would have identical records in common games, so if there was a 3-way tie for the final wild card spot, Washington would get the nod over Dallas from the NFC East. Then the tie-breaking procedures for 2 teams would be used to break the tie with the 3rd team. See above for those scenarios.

If Dallas finishes (10-6) by defeating New York and Philadelphia...

Dallas would win a tie-breaker with Washington due to their better division and conference record."


continued in next post...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 12, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

If this happens, Redskins fans better hope that Tampa lost to Atlanta, otherwise the Redskins would be eliminated.

Conclusion

Aside from rooting for the Redskins to win the rest of their games, I will be rooting for Atlanta to defeat Tampa this week (and then for Minny to beat Atlanta the following week). That keeps the Skins hopes for a playoff spot VERY alive for the remainder of the season... or until they lose.

If that happens, the Skins don't NEED Dallas to lose to the Giants... but that would also help very much.

So, this week I'm rooting for:

Washington over Cincinnati
Atlanta over Tampa Bay
New York over Dallas
Denver over Carolina

You can root against Minnesota and Philadelphia if you like, but their games don't mean much if you believe that the Skins must win out to make the playoffs.""

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 12, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

daggar,

No, only half of those penalties will be due to the new guys holding. The other half will be on cincinnati for getting by the new guys and roughing the passer.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | December 12, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"It's just one of those things," said Horton, the Redskins' third-leading tackler. "I'm preparing myself even though I'm not getting all the physical reps out there. I'm definitely taking a lot of mental reps."

By Cindy Boren | December 12, 2008; 1:50 PM ET

Mental REPS?!?!?

HA!

Ask CP26 about MENTAL Reps and see where that gets you if we lose a game. You'll be the 1st thrown under the bus by Zorn!

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

We can basically forget about following Carolina at this point. None of their games are of importance to the Redskins' chances (unless of course they lose the rest of their games).

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 12, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I beg to differ truth, because if Carolina wins, it will motivate the Giants to beat the cowgirls all the more, which in turn helps the Skins chances to make the playoffs. Not that I think they deserve to be in the playoffs with how they are playing lately. But I want them to make it in nonetheless.

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | December 12, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

hold on though, if Griffin isn't practicing how will he know his assignments and be able to play?

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 12, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

would post the Cheechoo between the legs goal, but all the video on it sucks.

In the Sharks game last night, Mike Grier missed an empty net, all alone, from abut 20 feet. I'm sure he's getting all sorts of trash talk on that one. Lot easier to take that when you win ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

tyler, no, i don't think vinny is a good gm. that was the whole point of the post. i don't sit here and call him a bad gm and praise his most important picks. that would be a grudge.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Playoff gems? Did someone say playoff gems? Game 7, Overtime, Dale Hunter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rg2EiSBZ6Y

Posted by: 4-12 | December 12, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

nice work truth...let's hope the skins can put together a nice winning streak and let the chips fall where they may

Posted by: forever21 | December 12, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The Truth:

I'm printing out your scenario and keeping it with me during sunday's games. Great post. Why couldn't JLC come up with this? Not hating on JLC, just a question.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Many thanks to Truth11 for the play-off scenarios.

Posted by: Masonman | December 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

None of that was my work people, I was just copying\pasting since it was a good read.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 12, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

And none of it will matter unless we win the next game, (Chanelling my inner Doc Walker).........

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

We gonna lose this one...

time to start looking at our draft position?

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 12, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

We lose this one and I'm lighting that scenario on fire.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 12, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse


So if Jansen doesn't go, the OTs will be Heyer who can't run block and Fabini who hasn't played OT since the Beatles broke up.

So we'll see if Sheriff Mouth-a-runnin' can run without blockers--even against Cincy, that's not so easy.

Posted by: TheCork | December 12, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

kost, I worked late, recorded the game, and just finished watching it. Since no one else answered your question, I'll field it.

The ball was placed at the right hash mark, but the Bears wanted to move it to the middle of the field before attempting the FG. So Orton took the snap and then took a knee in the middle of the field, between the hash marks.

Next play, the refs placed the ball in the middle of the field, and the Bears kicked their FG. Gould probably would have made it either way, but sometimes if a team has a play to burn, they'll take a play just to put the ball in the ideal spot for their kicker. Doesn't happen all that often. Usually only at the end of a game in regulation or in OT.

Posted by: freakzilla

Thanks Freak! Makes perfect sense to me!

Posted by: kost52 | December 12, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Zorn will not be fired (unless this team melts down completely).

The real issue isn't Zorn, per se, its the message it sends. Danny interviewed 8-10 guys before going with Zorn.

He sent GG packing, even though players had been very favorable towards him and it was GG's defense that did the heavy lifting. Plus, GG earned a lot of respect with his handling of ST21, from his rookie year all the way through the tragedy.

No one missed Danny's lack of loyalty in that situation.

So they go through this intense search and gets Zorn. If they fire Zorn, it makes Danny look like a total clown.

A total clown doesn't get guys like Bill Cowher to work for them.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

So if Jansen doesn't go, the OTs will be Heyer who can't run block and Fabini who hasn't played OT since the Beatles broke up.

So we'll see if Sheriff Mouth-a-runnin' can run without blockers--even against Cincy, that's not so easy.

Posted by: TheCork | December 12, 2008 3:45 PM

I hope you're not listening to JLaC's Sources and Talent Evaluators?

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Vinny has to do a better job next year. The Skins must make several FA acquisitions to strengthen the OL, DL, LBs, WRs, and special teams. They also should hire new special teams and strength coaches.

How bad are the Skins special teams?

32nd (last) in field goal percentage (71%)

32nd in punting net yards per game (39.4 yards)

1st in free caught punts with 18

30th in kick return average (20.1 yards)

Only 3 out of 35 punt returns (8%) have been for over 20 yards...

Posted by: siris | December 12, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Our old QBs are consistenly getting love......

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20081212/SPORTS0101/812120338

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

No way do we want an ATL win this weekend.

An ATL win means we need 2 of the following 3 to happen (provided we win out):

(1) A Dallas loss to NYG or PHI

(2) An ATL loss to MIN or STL

(3) A TB loss to SD or OAK


An ATL loss means we need this:

(1) A Dallas loss to NYG or PHI


The first scenario is much more unlikely than the second scenario.

Posted by: psps23 | December 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Big problem is the front office telling what players to play.

Gibbs had given up on JC, and Williams didn't get the job in part because he wanted to start Collins.

Fassel insisted on an open QB competition as well.

Zorn was the only candidate who promised Snyder and Vinny that Campbell would be the guy no matter what.

I like JC, but no coach should have a player forced down his throat like that.

Posted by: MylesMonroe

JFK was assassinated by hippies. Elvis was a British spy. And 2pac and Biggie are chillin off the coast of Antarctica. Don't ask me how I know these things, I just do.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 12, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with the poster quoted by Truth when it comes to Atlanta v. Tampa Bay.

Based on remaining schedules, if Atlanta beats the Bucs, they'll both be wild cards. Both teams will finish 11-5, as will Carolina, but Carolina will have a 1-game lead in their division record and will be NFC South champs.

So if Atlanta wins Sunday, then barring major injuries to or implosion by the Falcons, the Skins are done (moreso, I mean).

Posted by: freakzilla | December 12, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Siris, you're spot on mate, although I didn't realise our Kick Returns were that bad, I thought Rock did a better job than that!

Posted by: kost52 | December 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

zippy chance Zorn gets fired, he's here for the next two seasons. keep in mind some other "great" coaches who've led teams to SB (3/4 won) had rough rookie seasons...

A Reid 5-11
T Dungy 6-10
J Gruden 8-8
B Belicheck 6-10

Posted by: forever21 | December 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

JACOBS OUT FOR SUNDAY

Posted by Mike Florio on December 12, 2008, 1:24 p.m.

When the Giants make their last trip ever to Texas Stadium, running back Brandon Jacobs won’t be with them.

Per Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News, Jacobs will miss the game, due an injured left knee.

Jacobs missed practice on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday — and he has been ruled out.

“We just didn’t feel like he’d be ready to play,” Coughlin said.

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

A Reid 5-11
T Dungy 6-10
J Gruden 8-8
B Belicheck 6-10


Of course, none of the men evaluating talent or selecting players for those coaches were surnamed Cerrato.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

And 2pac and Biggie are chillin off the coast of Antarctica. Don't ask me how I know these things, I just do.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 12, 2008 4:01 PM |

It's just Tupac.

Biggie's dead....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I don't know why the guy picked ATL to win over TB. I'm definitely going for Tampa Bay and don't see us getting into the playoffs if ATL wins Sunday.

Should be an interesting Sunday...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

zippy chance Zorn gets fired, he's here for the next two seasons. keep in mind some other "great" coaches who've led teams to SB (3/4 won) had rough rookie seasons...

A Reid 5-11
T Dungy 6-10
J Gruden 8-8
B Belicheck 6-10

Posted by: forever21

-------

The year prior to when they took over:

A Reid 3-13
T Dungy 7-9
J Gruden 4-12
B Belichick 3-13

Only under Dungy did the team actually get worse.

Posted by: psps23 | December 12, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Folks, Atlanta and Dallas are both very likely to lose another game, considering their tough schedules. We are in good shape as long as we win out. I honestly think our toughest remaining game is against SF. Shaun Hill is no joke.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 12, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

zippy chance Zorn gets fired, he's here for the next two seasons. keep in mind some other "great" coaches who've led teams to SB (3/4 won) had rough rookie seasons...

A Reid 5-11
T Dungy 6-10
J Gruden 8-8
B Belicheck 6-10

Posted by: forever21 | December 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

If we lose out, or we lose badly to Cincy or San Fran I could see Snyder making a move. I mean Zorn's a fun quote and all and seems really neat in a pacific northwest hippie sort of way but the truth is the only thing he changed about this team is terrible this year. He rode Gibbs' running game until it broke and now the wheels have come off. He has been unable to get any production at all from just one of 3 second round picks and his passing attack has been pitiful despite having a very good #1 receiver, a top 5 tight end and a good young mobile QB. If the tail spin continues I could easily see him gone, if we win two games or maybe even just 1 he's ok, but if we drop all three I think Snyder looks elsewhere.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

and it goes without saying if we win out he's safe.....regardless of if we get in the playoffs or not.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 12, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Firing the coach after one year is lunacy....2000-2001 Dan Snyder lunacy..not that this subject hasn't been beaten to death or anything.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 12, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Firing the coach after one year is lunacy....2000-2001 Dan Snyder lunacy..not that this subject hasn't been beaten to death or anything.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 12, 2008 4:17 PM

Yee of little remembarance....

2007 Dolphins - 1-15, 1st year HC Fired

2008 Dolphins - 8-5 and tied for 1st place of the division

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

SKINS WILL NOT FIRE ZORN. YOU HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF VINNE GETTING A DRAFT PICK RIGHT THEN ZORN BEING FIRED...we need 3 wins and a lot of help. but the real issue is the kicking game. it has been proven to suck and get worst every game...with out the easy points for an already struggling team we have not shot in this world...outr chances are 50/50 for the playoffs so we need all the points we can get

Posted by: BANKS-GETS-THE-SKINSDOYOU | December 12, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp

Info about the Game this SUNDAY.....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

So if Jansen doesn't go, the OTs will be Heyer who can't run block and Fabini who hasn't played OT since the Beatles broke up.

Hey Cork, I thought Fabini was a career OT that was converted to OG last year. He was playing fairly well by the end of the season.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 12, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

4th, so you think firing Zorn will be good for this team?? You think hiring another coach and installing another offensive system will be good for the team??

The last thing this organization needs to be doing is reacting in a knee jerk fashion.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

They also should hire new special teams and strength coaches.

How bad are the Skins special teams?

32nd (last) in field goal percentage (71%)

32nd in punting net yards per game (39.4 yards)

1st in free caught punts with 18

30th in kick return average (20.1 yards)

Only 3 out of 35 punt returns (8%) have been for over 20 yards...

Posted by: siris | December 12, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

We were leading the league in all those categories until they released LT!

Posted by: frediefritz | December 12, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

This is from the other team's Website:

"The Ocho spoke hopefully earlier in the week about the man-to-man coverage the 'Skins play "60, 70 percent of the time." The problem is, The Ocho, says it is the best secondary the Bengals have faced since the Giants in the third game.
"They go four-deep with their corners. It's the best corps in the league," The Eye says. "They just line up and run with you. And they can run."
With free safety LaRon Landry basically running sideline-to-sideline looking to pick off balls, Washington gives up very few big plays despite their man stuff. They've allowed only seven plays of 40 yards or more and that's not good news for an Ocho that is looking for his first 40-yard catch of the season.
The 'Skins pretty much rotate the four corners and with Shawn Springs hurting, Ocho Cinco should get paired up at times with his tag-team-trash-talk-partners Fred Smoot and DeAngelo Hall. Smoot is also going to find himself lined up at times in the slot with wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh. The Washington corners must be pretty good because with no pass rush the 'Skins have allowed a quarterback rating of only 74.5 in giving up about one touchdown pass per game and they have foes converting only 37 percent on third down.
"This is a good matchup for Chad and Chris Henry," The Eye says. "Their strength is running past man coverage and not trying to find the seams in zones. Teams take their shots downfield. You have to because you can't run it."
"

Is it too much for this team Beat Reporter to give a little more cred where it is deserved?

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

+++Is it too much for this team Beat Reporter to give a little more cred where it is deserved?

Posted by: DaReal4th+++

So you got the "get JLC fired" duty this weekend... Bummer.

Posted by: TheCork | December 12, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Ask CP26 about MENTAL Reps and see where that gets you if we lose a game. You'll be the 1st thrown under the bus by Zorn!

Posted by: DaReal4th

You have to have a mind to have mental reps.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 12, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

4th, so you think firing Zorn will be good for this team?? You think hiring another coach and installing another offensive system will be good for the team??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 12, 2008 4:37 PM

Actually, my stance is currently to trade Zorn to the Seahawks for 2 2nd rounders.

I'd rather admit you're mistake earlier than later (See Turner, Norval)......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

+++Is it too much for this team Beat Reporter to give a little more cred where it is deserved?

Posted by: DaReal4th+++

So you got the "get JLC fired" duty this weekend... Bummer.

Posted by: TheCork | December 12, 2008 4:43 PM

I never said fire JLaC. I'm just asking why he never brings these stats up that I had to pull from another team's website. But he loves pointing out stats....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, my stance is currently to trade Zorn to the Seahawks for 2 2nd rounders"

Sorry, I was talking reality, not madden.....Do you have anything to back up the bullcrap you post on here??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The Peri-Take:

They lose this game of the one to Philadelphia, (If they lose this game they won't win against Philly anyway.)

Zorn is gone.

If they win Sunday and and against Philly and lose to SF he stays. That's my guess on Snidley-Owl and Vinnie the Hamster.

Fabini at right tackle? Bugel/Zorn had better put Fred Davis and Sellers out there. Heyer is probably going to be stuck on an island. Forget run blocking ... they are probably going to be better pass blocking. So, CP may spout again.
Unless he gets out into the passing game and catches some balls as he should.

Posted by: periculum | December 12, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

HOLMGREN IN PLAY FOR 2009 COACHING GIG?
Posted by Mike Florio on December 12, 2008, 4:29 p.m.

We haven’t been paying much attention to the Seahawks this season because, well, they stink like the stuff under the fingernails of the guys who catch the flying fish out there.

But there are signs of some potential intrigue. Apparently coach Mike Holmgren was having second thoughts about his looming retirement, and he might have received the Brett Favre treatment.

Asked on Thursday whether the organization made Holmgren feel that he was not welcome for the 2009 season, Holmgren said, “You’re asking a very unanswerable question.”

Holmgren also compared his situation to that of the aforementioned Favre.

“Kathy and I had talked about what we were going to do,” Holmgren said. “I communicated that fairly with the organization, but like a friend of mine, Brett Favre, people change their mind on occasion. But while this is going on, organizations have to make decisions.”

Translation? The Seahawks didn’t want Holmgren to return for a tenth season.

The possible message from all of this is that the Big Show might be in play for any/all coaching vacancies in 2009. Though he might not generate the same demand that he would have had in past years, it’s an intriguing name to add to the carousel.

Uh Oh Zorny, why be stuck with the pupil when you could have the teacher?!?!?! JZ better finish strong if both Holmgren and possibly Cowher are out there.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 12, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"Mental reps," not to be confused with "totally mental reps."

(See also Grimley, Ed)

Posted by: freakzilla | December 12, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I was talking reality, not madden.....Do you have anything to back up the bullcrap you post on here??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 12, 2008 4:52 PM

Greg, my opinion. We are not going to open up my skull and scourer for facts up there.

My opinion as a fan. I maybe right or I maybe wrong. Only time will tell. And I always admit my mistakes......

And, if your talking reality, then wouldn't Zorn getting fired or traded be a reality since Dan already has a track record?

Zorn has earned another year, but weather he gets it or not is another question. Everything should be on the table, especially since there are 3 rookie HC on the brink of making the playoffs, and 2 of them are doing it with rookie QBs....

And all 3 of those rookie HCs are operating under a new offensive system. Did I mention NONE of them run the WCO and ALL of them are on the East Coast.

(Stop asking me facts because I have alot of them)

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Chad came to the Dolphins, what, 6 weeks before the start of the season (albeit he was reunited with his former OC Dan Henning)....

Recap: 3 other New HCs. 2 Rookie QBs and and the other team just got their QB 6 weeks before the season started all on the brink of making the playoffs. 3 BRAND NEW offenses being run by 3 new HC with 2 Rookie QBs all on the East Coast and none of them run the WCO....

But let's not get real facts in way of madden accusations.......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 12, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder/Cerrato fire Zorn, they will lose the small but hopeful bit of confidence of fans that thought they may be turning around and avoiding the woeful management that plagued this team since Snyder bought it.

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | December 12, 2008 3:23 PM

If this happened, I imagine that it would tip Cork -- who's been showing a more open mind with regard to the FO lately -- back toward the anti-Vinny camp. I hope it doesn't happen because this new, kinder, gentler Cork is so refreshing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Compared to the girls team, it's been somewhat quiet in, how do you say, the DMV:

WAS WITTEN WERDER’S SOURCE?
Posted by Mike Florio on December 12, 2008, 5:09 p.m. EST
As it turns out, Terrell Owens’ suspicions regarding teammate Jason Witten might have been on the mark.

The talk in the Cowboys locker room is that Witten was one of the sources for Ed Werder’s recent ESPN item, which has sparked a firestorm within the organization.

Per a league source, center Andre Gurode and receiver Roy Williams called out Witten in a team meeting regarding their belief that he has been talking out of school to Werder, accusing Witten and/or his agent of feeding the information to Werder — as the song “Back Stabbers” played in the background.

According to our source (and it pains us to type this), Owens isn’t as bad as he’s made out to be in the media (i.e., by ESPN).

“Ed Werder didn’t make anything up,” the source said. “Witten or his agent gave the story.”

And here’s where it gets really interesting. Witten’s agent is Jimmy Sexton. And Sexton represents — you guessed it — former Cowboys coach Bill Parcells.

Parcells wanted no part of Owens, and presumably Parcells would love nothing more than to see the Cowboys fail to make the playoffs in the same year that Parcells is in the process of propelling the previously 1-15 Fins toward the postseason.

We’re not saying that Tuna has his finger in this one, after all he’s not the kind of guy who’d stick his nose in business that doesn’t pertain to him. We’re just pointing out the straight line from Witten to Sexton to Parcells, who by the way drafted Witten in 2003, the same year that Parcells signed Romo as an undrafted free agent.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I just wanted to comment on the information brought here by Truth. I was the original poster of that message. Since posting it and reading the comments of you guys as well as others on the board that i originally posted on... i have to agree about the Tampa/Atlanta game.

My original thinking was that Tampa winning closed off the Skins from having a shot at either wild card spot. I felt like i wanted them to have as many options open to them as possible going into next week. Tampa winning means they can only over take Dallas for the last spot.

However, after thinking about it, it's probably just as well that we get Atlanta out of the way right now, because they have two VERY winnable games to finish the season. Dallas is a decent bet to lose at least one to either Philly or New York, so i think i like that scenario a bit better.

Either way, this post was created just to give us all a bit of a road map as to what we should be rooting for to happen.

Posted by: Uproar2099 | December 12, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

We need all the maps we can get, Uproar2099.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 12, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

he'd start for me if I had no one better..he's a chump

Posted by: fullonfully | December 12, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

????? is this guy serious?????? First of all i have no clue about what he means by "he'd start for me", as im sure your a football mastermind (and when i say mastermind, i mean that the way portis called zorn a genius. the first time. not after everything was "cool") secondly rogers is one of the top corners in the NFL who may have a pro bowl appearance this year.

Posted by: erleach | December 12, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

How about we get a post on the likely candidates for getting the axe this offseason and the salary implications for such! Who's a free agent, restricted or not, and who's Ashburn houses should go on the market?

Posted by: show1 | December 12, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

How about if we play our last three games before asking Jasno to prognosticate about offseason maneuvers?

Posted by: freakzilla | December 12, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

A phone call that takes place in January (actually a serious call)

Danny: Good to talk with you again Coach Cowher.

Cowher: And to you, Danny boy

Danny: We're thinking that Jim Zorn is on the cusp. We like a lot of what he did and we're thinking that with a year under his belt, we could see a nice move in the team in 2009.

Cowher: And you want me to break the story on TV that you're keeping Zorn?

Danny: Yup. And if we're wrong about Zorn in 2009, we'll be calling you with an offer for 2010 ...

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So what is going on here?
1. Danny showing loyalty and patience, which is something he needs to show before a quality guy will take a job with him

2. Danny giving Cowher something to run with on TV, making him look good. Building that relationship, showing respect.

3. Cowher learns he's got a big $$ payday with Danny if he wants it and gets a timetable.

4. Cowher learns that Vinny's job is also on the line if 2009 doesn't work out

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

That scenario would be unprecedented, zeese.

It would involve the use of strategy.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 12, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

This team was working well before the O-Line disintegrated completely (which I maintain was predictable, and preventable by a competent front office).

So why do people want to react to that by junking the things that were working?

We need a coach who can win with no blocking?

We need a quarterback who doesn't need an offensive line?

How about we need an offensive line that can block, and go back to winning.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 12, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Ashburn Realtor

Great Spring Buys

*Jansen
*Springs
*J.Taylor (oh, yeah- he never really bought a house here)
*Springs

*others?

Posted by: show1 | December 12, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I think Marcus Washington is signed through 2009, but I don't know how much we're going to see of him.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 12, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

So, this week I'm rooting for:

Washington over Cincinnati
Atlanta over Tampa Bay
New York over Dallas
Denver over Carolina

You can root against Minnesota and Philadelphia if you like, but their games don't mean much if you believe that the Skins must win out to make the playoffs.""

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 12, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Truth, props on the detailed analysis but I disagree on rooting for Atlanta over Tampa. Bottom line our easiest path is (again, assuming we win out) is simply to have ATL and DAL lose at least one game (and for DAL, one div game as you pointed out). Sure, there is some benefit for us regardless of who wins ATL-TB this week, but I argue that an ATL loss is mo betta

If anyone's in Cincy for the game, let me know...I'm already tryin to link up with scampbell75 for some tailgating

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 12, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

WOW! Do I have a treat for you guys. Video of the life of a Redskins fan (pretty much every year but especially this year). Hilarious but sad!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZVuRG4yCJI

Posted by: Skins211 | December 12, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Skins211, that was weird...like watching myself...

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 12, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

There is only one real weak spot on the LIne. Jansen.

Sameuls - Prennial Pro Bowler
Kendal - Tight. Always out there blocking in front of Portis
Rabach - Had a few mental errors, but seems stable enough to move forward from them.
Thomas - He seemed injured for a few games, but when healthy, still a top RG in the league.
Jansen - Starting skills gone as a result from so many season ending injuries in the past 5 years (Remember we lost him in the 1st preseason game of Gibbs 2.0 1st year)

You put Heyer in there at RT, we still have a top OLine. If someone is injured, such as Thomas seemed to be, or Sameuls, then you plug in Rhinehart/Fabini/Jansen at any position.

The coaches just seem to depend on the starting 4 plus Jansen waaay to much.

What about all the sacks?

Have you thought maybe it's due to the new protection scheme implemented by the new HC/OC/QB Coach?

Max Protect anyone?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 12, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Drafting OLine is wise for future purposes, but seriously, onlt 2 spots will be permanantly replaced next year:

Heyer @ RT
Rinehart @ LG

There will be no other changes.

The ones calling for more changes than that are just as crazy as I am calling for trading Zorn to Seattle......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 12, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Skins211, that was pretty good, must admit. That's our existence the last couple yrs. We do still have 3 Super Bowls and a 4th coming (no pun intended) once we reacquire Leigh Torrence

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 12, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope that Fabini plays as well at right tackle as he did last year at right guard. May get to see the rookie otherwise. Not sure how that will play out.

There should be not doubt, at this point, after so many years that the Redskins definitely need a real President of Football operations with mostly complete control of what goes on. Obviously, like JKC, the owner should be able to call the president in and ask what is going on.

The best development we've seen was when Joe Gibbs basically had that title, but even the HOF HC himself was handcuffed more than should have been the case. Handcuffed with Vinnie and some of the owner's other "associates".

The owner continues to be the source of this team's issues and problems. Yet that is hard to argue, because the owner has made the franchise the most profitable in the NFL. No mean accomplishment. That has not translated to winning football games. Instead attracting opposing teams' fans to his stadium to be drunk and obnoxious.

They need a president. Someone other than Vinnie or Marty Schottenheimer. Gibbs did the best as president ... even if you argue that he wasn't a great HC. There are cases where this did not work ... Detroit is one glaring example.

Posted by: periculum | December 12, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

If anyone's in Cincy for the game, let me know...I'm already tryin to link up with scampbell75 for some tailgating

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 12, 2008 7:30

Gonna be down there sometime before noon. I'll send you an email with a number to get a hold of me. Anyone else?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 12, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S CHALLENGE -O-THE-DAY.

Task: Sum up the problem with the Redskins in one sentence. Points will be deducted for incorrect grammar and punctuation.

My take:

Jim Zorn has inherited Joe Gibbs's inferior talent and aged players on offense as compared to those elite offensive teams with depth, swagger and skill.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 12, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Task: Sum up the problem with the Redskins in one sentence. Points will be deducted for incorrect grammar and punctuation.


Posted by: rickyroge


Daniel Synder (is that a sentence?).

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 12, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

The Spaghetti Gang (didn't even need a complete sentence and I aced SIC's challenge)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Take two:

Jim Zorn does not game plan effectively, is easily confused by defensive game plans and does not make any in-game adjustments.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 12, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Gettin' old and drafted at the wrong positions.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 12, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

The ones calling for more changes than that are just as crazy as I am calling for trading Zorn to Seattle......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 12, 2008 7:58 PM
=============================================

Peter Marcus Kendall (born July 9, 1973 in Quincy, Massachusetts)
Randy Thomas (born January 19, 1976 in East Point, Georgia)
Jonathan Ward Jansen (born January 28, 1976 in Clawson, Michigan)
Chris Samuels (born July 28, 1977 in Mobile, Alabama)
Casey Edward Rabach (born September 24, 1977 in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin)

4th (congrats on regaining your ID, by the way), Jensen isn't the only guy I've seen blocking air, or else mowed over by the tougher defenses we've played.

Assuming that everything is all right with the other offensive linemen next year (they'll be another year older) will just compound the error that's already been made.

We better hope Samuels is good again next year, he's our best guy. But he's in his 9th season, and he's had a bad knee before, correct? Isn't it the same one that's messed up now?

And we can hope Heyer will be good, but at this point all we know is he is more competent than Jansen at pass blocking, not run blocking (I do want to be fair and say that Jon Jansen has been a good player for us for a LOT of years, but that's also the rub).

As for Rinehart, we can hope he'll be a stud. Do we know he will be?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 12, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

More serious to answer Sic's question:

The front office tried to take a talented team with specific flaws, namely WR, depth on an aging line, a limited pass rush and questionable special teams, and managed to address none of them effectively.

***

If you really look at where this team has failed, it is in each of these areas. They did attempt to address a pass rush issue with Taylor, a WR issue with the picks and the punting issue with Brooks. Even the OL issue, they used a first day draft pick for. Problem is, the WR issue is better dealt with by FA or trade, the o-line issue should have been addressed last year and the year before. Second tier punters are a dime a dozen. Bringing in Taylor only made sense if this team expected to make a strong playoff run, and none of the other steps they made were consistent with that (keeping 10 rookies, no FA signings, etc).

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Skins211, that is me but with a lot more yelling/cursing and much more jack and coke....

I even said it the last 3 weeks.... why do i care so much? why do i let it ruin my sundays. maybe, one of these days, i will know the answer to that Q....

Posted by: Zeebs | December 12, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Love, Zeebs.

It's love.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 12, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

WOW! Do I have a treat for you guys. Video of the life of a Redskins fan (pretty much every year but especially this year). Hilarious but sad!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZVuRG4yCJI

Posted by: Skins211 |

That is sooooooo perfect!!!! Thanx

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Daniel Synder (is that a sentence?).

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 12, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I think you could say we have been Snydered! So you have a subject Daniel and verb Snyder. Perfect.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 12, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Folks:

Check this out on FOX Sports:

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/pgStory?contentId=8932814&MSNHPHMA#sport=COLLEGE%20FOOTBALL&photo=8932598

I still think CB should get a couple of starts this year!!!

Posted by: fortysteps | December 12, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

To give blog credit where blog credit is due, drouhier is Mr. ArtMonkToTheSticks, if I recall correctly.

Too bad he wasn't wearing glasses -- you might be able to see Hamster Nation in the reflection...

Posted by: daggar | December 12, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

haha i love the why do i care so much... it's just a game and my favorite is this is the national football league...

Posted by: Skins211 | December 12, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I think you could say we have been Snydered! So you have a subject Daniel and verb Snyder. Perfect.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 12, 2008 10:23 PM
=============================================
I like this guy's use of the word "debacle" as a verb.

...they couldn't contain Pierre Thomas, prompting Chris Berman to debacle us with his abysmal French accent.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 12, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Jasno's sorted out his view of the Portis/Zorn debacle in a column today with his prediction that we'll see more clashes between these two:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/12/AR2008121204271.html

Is anyone surprised that Jasno's focussed on the front office and their failure to publicly support Zorn? That the $20 million they've guaranteed an aging and slowing Portis makes him more difficult to cut than Zorn (or Vinny)?

It's a good column. I thought all three Post columns on this fiasco -- Boswell, Jenkins, and Jasno -- have been insightful.

Personally, I am still puzzled that Clinton Portis, after getting stripped of the ball and giving up a touchdown, would call out the coach. And that, afterwards, the owner's take is "This is Clinton."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 13, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

We're still on Zorn/Portis?

I bet Jasno DVRs all the daytime soap operas too.

Putz.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

stomach muscle?

Posted by: LiberalMike | December 13, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

The AMTTS video is an instant classic. We all know how to fix this mess:

Priest Holmes.

Posted by: swowra | December 13, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Poor Portis. He's so old and slow nowadays.

Why, it seems like only a few weeks ago he was leading the league in rushing and... Whoa, that WAS only a few weeks ago.

But it still has to be Portis' fault; I mean, this 1-4 slide wouldn't have anything to do with Zorn's offense not being suited to max protect and picking up blitzes when YOU KNOW THEY'RE COMING.

Also, I LOVE the high number of WR screens Zorn has been attempting. Very effective. And original too.

Golly, he's swell.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

We need a fresh bowl of hamster food.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 13, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Poor Portis. He's so old and slow nowadays.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 9:59 AM

Wait, it's worse than that. After "Poor Portis" didn't practice all week, missed a block, and later got stripped for a touchdown, his coach put him on the bench.

Is that any way to treat a guy who's guaranteed $20 million from the Redskins even if he never suits up again? No way. "Poor Portis" had no choice but to blast the coach on John Thompson's radio show. "Poor Portis" didn't want to do that but he couldn't let some rookie coach push him around, could he? After all, who's really running the team?

In the end, though, it seems to have worked out. "Poor Portis" had the good sense to go to "his man", the owner, who reassured "Poor Portis" that he still love him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 13, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

We need a fresh bowl of hamster food.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

You know that our handlers give themselves the day off on Saturdays. Probably we should be following the example they set for us.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 13, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

What current Skins should not be on the roster next season?
What are your thoughts?

Ethan Allbright
Todd Collins
Jason Fabini
John Jansen
Pete Kendall
Antwaan Randle El
Shawn Springs
Jason Taylor
James Thrash
Marcus Washington
Philip Daniels
Justin Tryon
Ryan Plackemeir
Ryan Boschetti

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 13, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

WELL MR REDSKIN21:You have effectively nailed it, Zorn offense is predictable no D-coordinator has had stay up past midnight figuring out what Zorn is going to do over the last five weeks; "just blitz them they can't block us or they won't adjust, its simple". WAKE UP ZORN.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 13, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

It's not hamster food, but maybe it will help take some of the hunger pain away:


REPORT: T.O., WITTEN HAD “NEAR ALTERCATION”
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 13, 2008, 11:37 a.m. EST

The drama around the Dallas Cowboys is not going away.

The Star-Telegram is reporting that wide receiver Terrell Owens and tight end Jason Witten had “a near altercation” in the locker room on Friday. Citing two unnamed sources, the paper reports that Owens and Witten exchanged words before being separated.

However, both players acted like everything was fine when reporters entered the locker room.

Asked if he was cool with Witten and quarterback Tony Romo, Owens said, “I’m cool with everybody. We addressed everything. Coach addressed everything. Everything is everything.”

Witten added, “Obviously I have a lot of respect for Terrell and I think it’s the same way. He’s a hell of a player.”

The “near altercation” happened after a team meeting in which Cowboys coach Wade Phillips told the team to focus on Sunday’s game against the Giants and avoid outside distractions.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 13, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

+++If you really look at where this team has failed, it is in each of these areas. They did attempt to address a pass rush issue with Taylor, a WR issue with the picks and the punting issue with Brooks. Even the OL issue, they used a first day draft pick for. Problem is, the WR issue is better dealt with by FA or trade, the o-line issue should have been addressed last year and the year before. Second tier punters are a dime a dozen. Bringing in Taylor only made sense if this team expected to make a strong playoff run, and none of the other steps they made were consistent with that (keeping 10 rookies, no FA signings, etc).

Posted by: zcezcest1++++


Well put. But with any analysis of recent Redskin moves, it saves time listing the successful ones instead of the disasters.

Fr' instance:

1. Built good will with other NFL owners by stocking practice squad with excellent prospects they could snatch up.

2. Does Fletcher count? Because that was brilliant.

3. Horton doesn't count as "brilliant" because he was selected after Tryon, Durant, and Moore.

4. Colt Brennan seemed like a great pick because he could develop under the guy who wanted him, Zorn. But it seems likely Zorn will be gone before Colt gets his shot.

5. Endeared selves to RI "humorists" by releasing Leigh Torrence.

6. Blache.

Posted by: TheCork | December 13, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

5. Endeared selves to RI "humorists" by releasing Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: TheCork | December 13, 2008 1:06 PM

And provided Jasno a new dead horse, though well after he'd beat the flesh off his last dead horse, Derrick Frost.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 13, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Another sign of our country's decline as a great power: Saturday, December 13, and the ONLY football on television is two whimpy games between teams no one has ever heard of -- Podunk at Blowdunk and Nodunk at Whoadunk. Okay, we've all heard of Podunk, but not the other three. After Obama's inauguration, everything will get better.

And, FWIW, three legislators have introduced a bill in the House of Representatives that would outlaw the BCS. One of them is from Illinois. If you can guess which state the other two are from, you win a prize. I will personally visit your home on Christmas day and share the Christmas feast that you and your family have prepared.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 13, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Almost makes me want to cheat on this one T_E!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 13, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Portis gets angry,
Calls coach out on JT show.
Zorn stays medium.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 13, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Problems behind them,
Zorn and Portis on same page.
Down go the Bungles.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 13, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Patch work offense line,
Pass protection prevails,
JC throws touchdowns.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 13, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

She’s done getting dressed,
Books are balanced, Cards in purse.
I have to shop now.


Laters...

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 13, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

WELL MR REDSKIN21:You have effectively nailed it, Zorn offense is predictable no D-coordinator has had stay up past midnight figuring out what Zorn is going to do over the last five weeks; "just blitz them they can't block us or they won't adjust, its simple". WAKE UP ZORN.

Posted by: dargregmag

No D-coordinator has had to stay up is right, but it's beacuse no personnel except CP when healthy, and Moss when healthy have to be accounted for. The rest suck and the O-line sucks. CP and Moss are hurt-again. You can use smoke and mirrors only so far. The weak personnel make it easy for D-coordinators to beat our offense.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 13, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Wait, it's worse than that. After "Poor Portis" didn't practice all week, missed a block, and later got stripped for a touchdown, his coach put him on the bench.

Is that any way to treat a guy who's guaranteed $20 million from the Redskins even if he never suits up again? No way. "Poor Portis" had no choice but to blast the coach on John Thompson's radio show. "Poor Portis" didn't want to do that but he couldn't let some rookie coach push him around, could he? After all, who's really running the team?

In the end, though, it seems to have worked out. "Poor Portis" had the good sense to go to "his man", the owner, who reassured "Poor Portis" that he still love him.
Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 13, 2008 11:17 AM |

And JC threw a pick before Portis fumbled. And missed WRs as well.

So why wasn't JC yanked?

Oh. I forgot. He practiced.

Your approval of Zorn putting his best player on the pine for the second half in a 14-0 game is noted.

It's a great way to run things if your ultimate philosophy is: Cut Nose Off To Spite Face.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

And JC threw a pick before Portis fumbled. And missed WRs as well.

It's a great way to run things if your ultimate philosophy is: Cut Nose Off To Spite Face.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 3:26 PM

You missed it didn't you? That was the block that Portis missed, causing JC to rush his throw.

And I can't say much for CP's method: cut Zorn's nose off to spite Zorn after CP screwed up. Great team guy, CP: Screw up? Blast coach.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 13, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

What current Skins should not be on the roster next season?
What are your thoughts?

Ethan Allbright
Todd Collins
Jason Fabini
John Jansen
Pete Kendall
Antwaan Randle El
Shawn Springs
Jason Taylor
James Thrash
Marcus Washington
Philip Daniels
Justin Tryon
Ryan Plackemeir
Ryan Boschetti


Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 13, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

It's a slow day, I'll take a crack at it:

Ethan Allen 37 yr old KEEP we always need a good snapper

Todd Collins 37 YR OLD I'll keep him one more year, but I would open up the #2 slot to competition with Colt

Jason Fabini 34 yr old Let's see how he does tomorrow

John Jansen 32 keep in a reserve roll(I think cap hit is too much)
Pete Kendall 35 keep, but he must compete for a spot

Antwaan Randle El 29 KEEP
Shawn Springs 34 I'm ready to waive if cap hit is not too much

Jason Taylor 34 waive
James Thrash 33 waive let's get a young CB or safety to play teams

Marcus Washington 31 too beat up, waive
Philip Daniels 35 must compete for job
Justin Tryon 24 keep
Ryan Plackemeir 24 bring in competition
Ryan Boschetti 26 keep

Posted by: frediefritz | December 13, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Here is all you need to know:

Player- '09 Salary- Cap hit- Savings

J.Taylor-$8.5 million- None- $8.5 million
ShawnSprings-$8.483 million- $2.483 million- $6 million
M.Washington-$6.520 million- $2.020 million- $4.5 million
C. Griffin-$6.166 million- $2.549 million- $3.617 million

Lose these 4 guys, and save over 21 million in cap space. Sign Hall to replace Springs, extend Rogers, and Campbell, and then go after Jordan Gross in Free Agency....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 13, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

++++Okay, we've all heard of Podunk, but not the other three. After Obama's inauguration, everything will get better.


Posted by: talent_evaluator++++

Well you know, I'm sure fixing Saturday afternoon football is real high on his list of priorities...in that the country was left in such fine shape by the prior tenant at 1800 PA Avenue.

Posted by: TheCork | December 13, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

This is from the other team's Website:....


Is it too much for this team Beat Reporter to give a little more cred where it is deserved?

Posted by: DaReal4th+++


I read the "other team's website." You want to talk cred? They referred to Demetric Evans as the "redskins "linebackerish DE"

The other team's website, just like redskin.com is a public relations site for the team, designed to sell tickets and jerseys and list the depth charts.

Posted by: TheCork | December 13, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I understand the Skins are on a losing sked, but I'm not sure why Zorn's job security should be an issue. This was Gibbs' 10-6 team with the same talent. A coaching change is not the answer.

Zorn could improve in many areas, but without talent, he can't win. Get the rookies on the field and keep em' there.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

You missed it didn't you? That was the block that Portis missed, causing JC to rush his throw.

And I can't say much for CP's method: cut Zorn's nose off to spite Zorn after CP screwed up. Great team guy, CP: Screw up? Blast coach.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 13, 2008 3:47 PM |

JC's throw on the first INT was not rushed; as he released, his arm was hit from behind by a Raven who was being blocked (though not effectively). I'm not even sure it was Portis who was blocking the guy. The ball turned into a wounded bird and Ed Reed got under it for the pick.


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Ethan Allbright
Todd Collins
Jason Fabini
John Jansen
Pete Kendall
Antwaan Randle El
Shawn Springs
Jason Taylor
James Thrash
Marcus Washington
Philip Daniels
Justin Tryon
Ryan Plackemeir
Ryan Boschetti


Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 13, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Wait a minute, you want to cut these guys? They're all going to the Pro Bowl!

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 13, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

In fact, it was Chris Samuels who missed the block (badly) on Suggs on the interception JC threw.

Here's the video of it: http://www.baltimoreravens.com/media_library/Videos/NFL_Network/2008/12/Ravens_vs_Redskins_1st_qtr.aspx

People get caught up in the war of words between Zorn and Portis, and whether Portis was right to go on the radio, or whether Zorn has made snide comments about Portis in press conferences, yada, yada, yada.

That's not the issue here for me. The issue is - and always has been - Zorn's terrible decision to sit his best player at halftime of a 14-0 game, and then to explain later that Portis didn't practice (Zorn knew going into the game that Portis hadn't practiced).

If he makes a few more bonehead moves like that (coupled with CYA excuses after the fact), he'll be out on his butt, and deservedly.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Well you know, I'm sure fixing Saturday afternoon football is real high on his list of priorities...in that the country was left in such fine shape by the prior tenant at 1800 PA Avenue.

Posted by: TheCork | December 13, 2008 4:43 PM


You mean this place?

Posted by: freakzilla | December 13, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

JC's throw on the first INT was not rushed; as he released, his arm was hit from behind by a Raven who was being blocked (though not effectively). I'm not even sure it was Portis who was blocking the guy. The ball turned into a wounded bird and Ed Reed got under it for the pick.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 7:05 PM

Here's what Jasno wrote in his column in the Post this morning:

"Portis, third in the NFL in rushing yards, said on his paid radio appearance that 'I guarantee you won't see me make no mistakes' in a playback of Sunday's game film. But the copy reviewed by the coaches indicated he was involved in a failed blitz pickup that led directly to the interception on the opening drive. Then his fumble was returned for a touchdown and a quick 14-0 deficit that triggered the need to abandon the run (i.e., Portis) much earlier than Zorn had hoped."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 13, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

First of all, abandoning the run down 14-0 at halftime is a sure recipe for losing.

Secondly, I posted the video link to the play in question (JC's first pick).

The Ravens rushed 4 guys on that play. All of whom were set on the line long before the ball was snapped. I had no idea that was considered a "blitz."

Perhaps only in Zorn's head.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Well you know, I'm sure fixing Saturday afternoon football is real high on his list of priorities...in that the country was left in such fine shape by the prior tenant at 1800 PA Avenue.

Posted by: TheCork | December 13, 2008 4:43 PM


I am not familiar with that address, however, 1600 PA Ave. rings a bell.

cosmofla

Posted by: cosomfla | December 13, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Still, Snyder's petulant past would suggest he'll cut and run away from Zorn if he believes he can convince a big-time, big name to coach his team. But why would a Bill Cowher even think about coming to the Nation's Capital to work for one of the league's least-respected owners after years of working for Dan Rooney, a Hall of Famer who happens to be the most enlightened and revered team owner in the NFL?

What a mistake it would be to jettison Zorn in the first place, and what a disaster it would be in the development of quarterback Jason Campbell, who hardly would be well-served by having to learn yet another offense.

And by no means is Zorn the man totally responsible for the Redskins current swoon. Despite their stunning start, the Redskins he inherited remain a fundamentally flawed football team. Their aging, now crippled offensive line can't protect their young quarterback against a good defense. Their defensive line can't rush the opposing passer. Campbell has shown flashes, but holds on to the football too long and still hasn't shown the consistent ability to rally his team from behind in the fourth quarter.


exactly what I've felt for some time now!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 13, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

And you're correct. Jasno's story states:

"Portis, third in the NFL in rushing yards, said on his paid radio appearance that 'I guarantee you won't see me make no mistakes' in a playback of Sunday's game film. But the copy reviewed by the coaches indicated he was involved in a failed blitz pickup that led directly to the interception on the opening drive. Then his fumble was returned for a touchdown and a quick 14-0 deficit that triggered the need to abandon the run (i.e., Portis) much earlier than Zorn had hoped."
--------------------------------

I'd say that's just another indication of how sloppy his reporting is. Presumably, he took the coaches word on that claim, without bothering to watch the play himself (and it's available on the Ravens website).

The video even shows who rushed for Baltimore: The four down linemen on that play were Terrell Suggs,Trevor Pryce, Jarrett Johnson, and Haloti Ngata.

No one else for Baltimore even threatened to come. They had seven men dropped back in coverage.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm still for cutting all of those guys I mentioned earlier today.
Go out in FA and take young players on the third round; don't dare take the first round of guys who are always way over-priced.

Then trade down out of Rd 1 again getting more picks and continue the rebuilding.
Danny and Vinny signing and over paying for several years cannot be resolved quickly.

This was the strategy last year and should be again this year...

Is Tim Tebow awesome or what?
I know Bradford won the Heisman, but Tebow is the man!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 13, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and since the coaches apparently snowed Jasno on that story about the play leading to JC's first INT, I would think he'd now turn on them the same way he did Gibbs when he claimed Gibbs lied to him.

Yes?

No?

Maybe?

We shall see.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and since the coaches apparently snowed Jasno on that story about the play leading to JC's first INT, I would think he'd now turn on them the same way he did Gibbs when he claimed Gibbs lied to him.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 9:38 PM

Well, there's another possibility. The coaches told him correctly about something else, and he got it confused. Maybe it's all a big typo?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 13, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

It's doesn't really matter, I guess.

The game on Sunday is the only important thing.

But it sure is a dysfunctional circus with this team and city. The coach has questionable judgment, the star RB can't keep his mouth shut for the good of the team, the FO is shaky at best, the town's major newspaper is full of inaccuracies and agenda-laden BS, and ultimately the fans are the ones who get kicked in the teeth by all this.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Nice way to wrap it all up MrRedskin21. Nice.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 13, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, I thought I had wrapped it up.

But I just got this reply to my email from none other than Jasno himself:

What's the point here?
Suggs beat portis and samuels
Cheers


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

My reply:

The point?

Why don't you explain how a standard four-man rush is a "blitz?"

The Redskins had five o-linemen, the Ravens four down linemen; every other Raven was at least 6 yards off the line and they all (7 of them) dropped back into coverage.

Cooley went short up the middle, and Portis was looking to go left out in the flat.

Samuels got beat by Suggs. It happens, but by no means was that a blitz.

And since there was no blitz, there could not have been a failure (on anyone's part) to pick up a blitz.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Technically, if you play a 3-4 and rush four, someone is blitzing.
But what does it really matter? You, me, and the video don't know what the plan was there. For example, it could have been that Samuels was expecting Portis to come chip on the outside... if he was, then it was appropriate to lean inside a bit -- where there was no help.
And yes, if I have Samuels on one leg vs. Suggs, I'm making sure Samuels has a little help on a seven-step drop -- just like Cooley gave Jansen a hand on the other side.
So -- did Samuels make a mistake?
Did Portis make a mistake?
Did Soup change the protection and Portis didn't hear it?

IBM Presents...
You
Be
The
Judge!

Posted by: daggar | December 13, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh... my... God.

LOL

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

The fact they normally play a 3-4 means nothing.

They had four down linemen in place against five o-linemen long before the ball was snapped. No one snuck up.

That isn't a "blitz" by any definition.

I don't know who to believe, Zorn or my lying eyes.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I was writing mine while you were posting, so I wasn't responding to your 10:37... but it does anyway, to some extent.

The bottom line is that we had three men out in the route, which with seven defenders means that they're either (a) expecting to have a fair amount of time to let the receivers come open, or (b) expecting a lot of pressure and they still wanted an intermediate gain.

Posted by: daggar | December 13, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

well, that depends on what your definition of "is" is.
Bottom line -- maybe Portis missed an assignment. Maybe he didn't hear of a change in his assignment. Maybe he was perfect. Maybe Samuels flat out missed.
But a direct statement from the coach probably eliminates perfection.

Posted by: daggar | December 13, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Actually, this is all about what the definition of "blitz" is.

Because that's the term the coaches and Jasno used in explaining that Portis missed a blitz pick-up on JC's INT.

What blitz? They rushed four down linemen.

That has never been defined as a "blitz," and never will be.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

My two cents -- regardless of whether it was a blitz or not, Portis was supposed to help block. You can see him try to do so. Suggs beat him and Samuels.

Anybody else going to the game tomorrow? Hope to see some of you there. And, as someone who's wife is from Cincy, make sure you try either Skyline Chili or Graeter's Ice Cream if you are in town.

Posted by: jwlemons | December 13, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

And yes, if I have Samuels on one leg vs. Suggs, I'm making sure Samuels has a little help on a seven-step drop -- just like Cooley gave Jansen a hand on the other side.

If it's Geisinger, on the other hand, you let him take on Suggs one on one. Obviously.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 13, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Should have been "whose", not "who's". I have been reading too much Jasno.

Posted by: jwlemons | December 13, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Portis was supposed to block at all; he was headed for the left flat (which was wide open, as was Colley, sitting over top the short-middle).

Portis does make an attempt to turn back when he sees Samuels geting beat.

And ifthethunderdontgetya is correct: Why would they feel Samuels needed a chip from Portis against Suggs, but Geisinger, aka The Pudgeball,could handle Suggs one-on-one?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Moving on from our Jasno fixation, tomorrow is a nice matchup agin the Bungles. 'twould be too easy for Santana Claus to get 100 and a touchdown. My late Saturday night impaired guess is Devin Thomas gets 80 and Malcolm Jamal Kelly gets 120 and a touch. Our Wiz-like patched together line will hold against the kitties and Soup will simmer with 300+ and 2 TDs. CP and Sellers the hurdling grizzly will each get a TD. Suisham pings one true off the crossbar. Final 31-7 (Houshyamama for a TD in the 2nd).

Posted by: Hombre_Secreto | December 13, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Who knew that getting off the hating on our Italian sausage would kill the blog?

Or maybe everyone agrees we will go in and spay the kitties????

Posted by: Hombre_Secreto | December 14, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Why would they feel Samuels needed a chip from Portis against Suggs, but Geisinger, aka The Pudgeball,could handle Suggs one-on-one?

Now that is a good question for Jasno.
But I can guess... seven-step drop vs. five-step drop. Soupy stopped at five steps, but #95 had pushed Heyer back to the same point. (I suppose you'd say that "Heyer jansened on the play"). With no passing lane, the middle clogged, but no one on the right, JC takes off.

What I really don't get is how Geisinger goes in at LT instead of RT. I assume that Heyer was taking the snaps at LT during practice the last few weeks... it seems like a no-brainer.

Posted by: daggar | December 14, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Who is "hating?"

I'm pointing out that this no-talent hack can't even do the job he's paid for at a rudimentary level. And that poor reflection is as much upon this newspaper as it is on upon him.

As for the Bengals, who knows. I can't see the Redskins putting up 31 points against anyone these days, but I think they'll win.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Well, if Portis gains that 5 billion yards someone mentioned yesterday, and we keep the penalties down, we should be ok.

Posted by: daggar | December 14, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

As for the Bengals, who knows. I can't see the Redskins putting up 31 points against anyone these days, but I think they'll win.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I think this will be the blowout of a bad team that we've been expecting but not seeing all season. Maybe it's 24-7, but it'll be at least by 14.

Posted by: Hombre_Secreto | December 14, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Kudos to those who chatted about the playoff scene, max protection, and the poor adjustments by the offensive masterminds. Yes, execution is part of the problem but not putting guys in a position to succeed with correct execution in on the coaching staff.

In case anyone is not worried about the 'skins problems of rushing the passer and protecting one's own, look no further then the Cincinati Bengals. They take the Redskin's model to the nth degree.

Despite playing Pittsburgh twice - a team that has given up 41 sacks including five to the 'skins - the Bengals only have 13 sacks all year.

On the other side of the ball they have given up 48 sacks. In addition, their biggest rushing threat is a scrambling (running for his life) Ryan Fitzpatrick. They average less than 12 points a game despite having two former all-pro wide receivers.

The Redskins defense should take pride in winning this match-up single-handedly. The offense should simply use it as a tune-up and 'get some rhythm' back. (I no longer have any expectations for multiple touchdowns or big plays.)

It's time to ride the two things that have been consistent to make a play-off push: solid defense and running the football.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 14, 2008 4:58 AM | Report abuse

So, how many more days can the Post run the Portis/Zorn story? We've had long columns by Boswell, Jenkins, and Jasno on successive days.

Now it's Sunday and the front page of the Post has an empty but long-winded and highly emotive piece by Barry Svrluga based on an incontrovertible proposition that "People don't know whole stories about a life." How many people will see that headline, above the fold, and say "Must read! I gotta spend $1.50 to buy the paper today!"

Where do we go from here? Let's fly Jason Reid to Seattle to interview Zorn's dry cleaner who will tell us "Mr. Zorn never polite when he pick up clothes. Only think of self first. Always blame me for spots on suit."

Svrulga's picture of Clinton is not very pretty. Nothing about community service, private foundations, higher causes. Clinton's a wealthy man with a seven-bedroom house and a driveway full of cars: Maserati, Bentley, Maybach, "ultra-high-end" Mercedes, "utilitarian" Tahoe, and "don't think the choices stop there."

And while the others on his team are practicing, what's he doing? "Portis, has not suffered through practice very often, instead standing to the side, watching. On the Wednesday prior to the Redskins' game against the New York Giants, Portis nursed his knee as his teammates went through drills, chatting with Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerato. He then leaned against a goalpost as backup backs Ladell Betts and Rock Cartwright dropped to the ground, on all fours, and smashed into a blocking sled, the drudgery of a week of practice."

Of course, Shawn Springs was probably leaning against the other side of the goal post to keep Clinton from knocking it down.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 14, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

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