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Pro Bowl Wrap


The Washington Redskins have scored the fourth-fewest points in the NFL, yet four members of their offense were named to the Pro Bowl Tuesday. Fullback Mike Sellers is the only starter, while tight end Chris Cooley, running back Clinton Portis and tackle Chris Samuels were named as reserves.

The Redskins orchestrated a public relations blitz in an attempt to urge fans to vote its players in Pro Bowl ballots, which resulted in a slew of fringe Redskins ending up at the top of that segment of voting. Fan voting counts for one third of the process, with players and coaches comprising the rest.

Sellers is the only first-time honoree, and he was the only NFC fullback selected to the squad. Sellers has made his biggest impact as a blocking back for Portis, who was on a franchise record rushing pace before his production waned in the second half. No members of the defense were named to the team, despite that unit placing in the top 10 all season, with a lack of big plays and few individual standouts resulting in a nondescript collective.

Portis, who had made the Pro Bowl previously with Denver, will be backing up Adrian Peterson (Minnesota) and Michael Turner (Atlanta) in Hawaii. Portis ranks behind those two backs in the NFC rushing race.

Cooley was selected for the second straight season, and is first in the NFC in receptions among tight ends. He will back-up Dallas' Jason Witten in the game. Samuels was selected to his sixth Pro Bowl, and fourth in a row. The stalwart left tackle is tied for third-most Pro Bowl nominations in franchise history but is very unlikely to play in the game, having just undergone season-ending triceps surgery and likely requiring another arthroscopic procedure on his knees as well.

This is the second straight season in which four Redskins were named to the 43-man NFC Pro Bowl roster as Ethan Albright, Cooley, Samuels and the late Sean Taylor received the honor last year. The last time Washington had more than four Pro Bowlers was following the 1996 season. Four Redskins were also selected in 1997 and 2000.

The game will be played Sunday, Feb. 8, 2009 at 4:30 p.m. ET at Honolulu 's Aloha Stadium. It will be broadcast live by NBC-TV.

Of the group, Cooley was the one I thought would get the nod, behind Witten. The struggles of Washington's offensive line, the preponderance of stud runners in the NFC (New York's Brandon Jacobs would get the nod ahead of Portis to me), and Sellers's limited stature, I thought, would keep them from joining Cooley in Hawaii.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 16, 2008; 6:27 PM ET
 
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Comments

I know you hate Vinny but his is just sad. CP held the rushing title most of the year and 3rd in rushing. Yet you want to make it out that the only reason he made it was due to fans. That just sad man.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 16, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

CSN just reported that London Fletcher, Laron Landry, Randy Thomas and Santana are all alternates.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 16, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Well, I hope I'm the first to congratulate them. Yeah!

Posted by: charley42 | December 16, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Sellers, I can understand but why would Fletcher not be on the first team and maybe Rogers. Four offensive team players and no defensive players.

The Pro Bowl picks are screwy. But we all knew that.

Posted by: charley42 | December 16, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Ha... The hamwinkie (JLC) would pick B. Jacobs ahead of CP.

Jacobs is 10th in rushing in the NFL.

What a hater.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

JLC writes, "(New York's Brandon Jacobs would get the nod ahead of Portis to me)"

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Rofl....Jlc, you are such a chubby, petty, little, whiny rat of a person.

Portis more than earned this Pro Bowl honor and he should have gone last year!

Don't be a HATER, be a CONGRATULATER!!

Ya Fargin DOOOOSH!

Posted by: filmchis | December 16, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Fletcher got robbed again.

Don't know if this was ever submitted. We need to draft Terrance Cody

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUE3Ys-qf6M&feature=related

Posted by: oldtimer4 | December 16, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Now, now, filmchis, keep in mind that the JLC lovers on this board will be quick to point out that JLC is "just doing his job."

Exactly WHAT that job is, no one seems to really know.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

JM220: I agree with you 100%

J-La: just let us enjoy this tiny sliver of happiness today, ok? I'm with you on the Vinny and Snyder bashing and I couldn't be more pissed off about what the Redskins have become, but to imply that our 4 best players do not deserve to be in the Pro Bowl is just too much piling on.

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 16, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe Fletcher got hosed with the alternate tag. Dude is the heart and soul of this defense.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 16, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and JLC sux bald donk nugs.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 16, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Shaun, on your rant about the fans and FedEx. Never been to Fed Ex (or RFK for a Skins game), but I do get strong feeling that Danny is losing the fan base. Bit by bit.

There are a ton of reasons. The fan experience, the cost, poor transportation, too big a stadium, the team, etc. Even things like the credit card fiasco that Danny tried and got so much blow-back from.

As much as Danny has made $$$ hand over fist with this team, I'm pretty sure the foundation isn't what it once was.

Love 'em or hate 'em, its OK. But I get a sense that a lot of season ticket holders are moving to the "I don't care, but since I can sell the tix, I'll keep them" category.

Once the ticket holders begin having problems selling game tix at face value, the value of the Skins will plummet. I think this day is closer than most people realize.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Think Portis will break 200 running behind that pro bowl line?

Posted by: mack1 | December 16, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Pro Bowl RB:
Forte, westbrook, jacobs, DeAngelo Williams.

These 4 guys didn't get picked. Just a tough call at RB this year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I know, I'm sorry Mr.Redskin21, but JLC is such an ARSE!

We just buried our beloved 2008 Redskins in the inescapable hole that they dug themselves into. We've gone thru Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and finally Acceptance....

.....and Suddenly!!! Four beautiful Pro Bowl Flowers bloom from the earth that covers our beloved fallen 2008 Redskins!!

Then from the forest a wretched, mangy, half-blind, stinking, festering, genderless, frog-bellied rat crawls up and stomps three of the beautiful flowers into the ground defecate out his mouth on them.

I'm just sayin.

Posted by: filmchis | December 16, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Shows what you know jlc you azzh*le

Posted by: jonthefisherman | December 16, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Fletcher was the only obviously deserving Skin.

Portis deserves it, but the competition for RB was insane this year. 7 guys who were almost equally worthy, only 3 can get it.

Cooley. Something about more fumbles than TDs.
Sellers. Only if you must have a FB. Samuels. Until his knee acted up, yes. After that, no.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

For those pouting about London Fletcher not making the Pro Bowl: would you REALLY put him ahead of the two guys going? And some idiot in the last thread even compared his stats to Derrick Brooks (who doesn't even play the same LB spot). Yeah, I think Fletch should get in but let's be honest--dude racks up a lot of tackles and is the heart and soul of the Skins D, but he doesn't make game changing plays that gets you into the Pro Bowl. Tackles aside, he's got a half sack. No fumble recoveries, no picks, just a half sack. It's not just Redskin bias this time, you have to make big plays (namely takeaways) to get in the Pro Bowl most years.

We should just be glad to have ANY Pro Bowlers on an offense that probably doesn't even belong in the NFL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 16, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Portis....the heart and soul...more than deserved it.....blah blah blah. He is a freakin' cancer, whiner, crybaby that is always stumbling and falling down and anticipating contact, can't create in the open field, and is an average receiver. I would rather have DeAngelo Williams, Frank Gore, Matt Forte, or Jonathan Stewart for that matter. They ALL are better runners than him, easily...

Posted by: po403 | December 16, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

And some idiot in the last thread even compared his stats to Derrick Brooks (who doesn't even play the same LB spot).
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So what? Ware frequently lines up as a DE, but he's going as a LB.

Get your head out of your rectum and stop the obvious JLC anuz licking, boy.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I would rather have DeAngelo Williams, Frank Gore, Matt Forte, or Jonathan Stewart for that matter. They ALL are better runners than him, easily...

Posted by: po403 | December 16, 2008 7:26 PM

When each of these players can run for 1200 yards or better EVERY YEAR, then you can make this argument...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 16, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Funny how they all show up once JLC gets his azzhole ripped for a few posts.

O-B-V-I-O-U-S.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cooley has 73 catches and 1 TD with 3 fumbles (2 lost).

John Carlson has 51 catches and 4 TDs with no fumbles.

Where's the Red Zone offense at Cooley?

Posted by: Doublebagger | December 16, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

So what? Ware frequently lines up as a DE, but he's going as a LB.

Get your head out of your rectum and stop the obvious JLC anuz licking, boy.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 7:28 PM

Same team, dude...I hate JLC as much as anyone here. But I just think we have to take off the burgundy and gold glasses and look at it for what it is: would you even give a sh*t if Fletch made the Pro Bowl if he wasn't a Redskin? We all get the pleasure to watch the guy play every week and he is a beast who's there EVERY game. But he doesn't take the ball away or sack the QB so he's not going to get the love with voters. That's the reason why he never gets in, not because people think he can't play, it's because he doesn't make the "sexy" plays on defense.

As for that Ware mess you typed...he IS an OLB. It's just in a 3-4 defense the OLB is basically a DE.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 16, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree with your post completely. I think the main reason for the multiple empty seats and high number of opposing fans is that Dan "Dr.Greed" Snyder decided to build a stadium with 90,000+ seats. If/when we build a new stadium it should be no more than 75-80,000 seats. Hopfully, our new stadium is moved back to DC. Im not a fan of being the Landover Redskins.

And Zorn should come back next year no matter how we finish. A first year head with a completely new offense deserves atleast another year.

Posted by: Chrisphilippsen | December 16, 2008 6:49 PM

You must be a real fan Snyder did'nt build the stadium you dummy Jack kent Cook built the stadium.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Fletcher not making it is a travesty!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 16, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Of course Portis deserves to go; he will probably end up 2nd or 3rdf in rushing in the league.

This jagoff above - excuse me, the Skins beat writer - (or beat off writer as the case may be) can't stand him (for his own reasons), so he says he'd have chosen B. Jacobs (10th in rushing) ahead of CP, and had an earlier post where he compared CP to Thomas Jones - but only as it applies to the last 4 season - Portis's Denver numbers and Jones' lackluster Arizona numbers were omitted.

Why? Well, because if those are included, the comparison becomes a laugher. They didn't fit the agenda.

What else is new.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Of course I want Fletcher to go because he's a Redskin; but he's also part of a unit (defense) that has kept this team in games all year long.

The offense on the other hand? Not so much.

And the fact that Brooks is a WLB doesn't change the fact that his numbers are pedestrian. At best.

So why is he going at all?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Didn't have a chance to comment on JLac's post on the contract numbers, but we should be in pretty good shape to get significantly under the cap. Having said that, I'd trade for picks and bring in some FA's to bolster the D'Line and O'Line.

You cannot go into the 2009 season without:

Guard (2)
Right Tackle
Guard/Tackle Hybrid
Defensive End
Linebacker (depth)
QB to push Campbell


Posted by: rickyroge | December 16, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Guard/Tackle Hybrid ??

Is that anything like a Prius?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

And the fact that Brooks is a WLB doesn't change the fact that his numbers are pedestrian. At best.

So why is he going at all?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 7:46 PM

I agree that Brooks' numbers are pedestrian (especially for him). But him going has nothing to do with Fletch not going because he plays a different position. Not even worth mentioning, in my opinion.

And the reason he's going is because he's a name. That's what the Pro Bowl is all about. Name. Reputation. That's it. And if you're not a name (like Fletch) you'd better have a HUGE year--and he didn't. If Fletch has 10 sacks and 3 picks we're not having this discussion (and we're probably not 7-7). But's a tackling machine that doesn't make big impact plays with any regularity.

Look at it this way: name and reputation kept Fletch out, but it got Samuels and Cooley in. Pick your poison...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 16, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh, well. We'll see what the All-Pro team looks like (I think that's picked by the AP, yes?).

My guess is Fletcher will be on that list, even if Cooley and Samuels are not.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL -O- DA DAY

1) Would you trade Chris Cooley for a 2nd
and a 4th rounder?

2) Would you give Hall a long term deal?

3) Is Clinton Portis more important than
London Fletcher?

4) Has Devin Thomas showed flashes of
being a good receiver?

5) Will Clinton Portis retire as a Redskin?

6) Will Snyder/Vinny blow up this team or go one more year with it relatively intact?

7) Keep Springs or Keep Griffin (if you had to keep one)

8) Big breasts or fat boody?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 16, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree with your post completely. I think the main reason for the multiple empty seats and high number of opposing fans is that Dan "Dr.Greed" Snyder decided to build a stadium with 90,000+ seats. If/when we build a new stadium it should be no more than 75-80,000 seats. Hopfully, our new stadium is moved back to DC. Im not a fan of being the Landover Redskins.

And Zorn should come back next year no matter how we finish. A first year head with a completely new offense deserves atleast another year.

Posted by: Chrisphilippsen | December 16, 2008 6:49 PM

You must be a real fan Snyder did'nt build the stadium you dummy Jack kent Cook built the stadium.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

lighten up francis, he didn't build it, but he added the extra seats that make it a nightmare. when it opened it had 78K seats. too many even then.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 16, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL -O- DA DAY

1) Would you trade Chris Cooley for a 2nd
and a 4th rounder? Yes

2) Would you give Hall a long term deal? Yes but it would be incentive based.

3) Is Clinton Portis more important than
London Fletcher? No

4) Has Devin Thomas showed flashes of
being a good receiver? Jury still out

5) Will Clinton Portis retire as a Redskin? No

6) Will Snyder/Vinny blow up this team or go one more year with it relatively intact? I hope they blow it up, I think it's 50/50

7) Keep Springs or Keep Griffin (if you had to keep one) Springs

8) Big breasts or fat boody? fat boody

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

If I'm exec VP of ops for this team, the offseason is all about clearing out cap to the greatest extent possible. That is priority 1. Not an OL or DE, but get out of cap hell.

I know there is a possibility of a cap free year in 2010, but that would be bad news for everyone. The owners need to remember we pay to see the players play, not to see who is in the owner's box.

I use this offseason to stop kicking the can down the road. I use 100% of the cap space to unload future hits. If I need to trade some guys, I do that.

I want a roster going forward where I can cut ANYONE without having it mess up my cap. Its how we got stuck with Lloyd for 2 years ... we had no wiggle room. Its what is forcing us to keep Jansen. Can we lose Carter without the cap killing us?

There will be some guys we'll need to consider signing. Campbell, Rogers, Hall among them. Be cap smart. If you sign them, don't leave some huge cap hit for 3 years down the road.

2008 offseason is about the cap. I'll give Gibbs and Vinny equal weight in messing it up. Vinny was on track to fix the mess until he decided 2008 was about winning now and got Jason Taylor. No reason to keep this team as is.

Make the moves.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL -O- DA DAY

1) Would you trade Chris Cooley for a 2nd
and a 4th rounder? No.

2) Would you give Hall a long term deal? Yes.

3) Is Clinton Portis more important than
London Fletcher? Yes.

4) Has Devin Thomas showed flashes of
being a good receiver? Insufficient data.

5) Will Clinton Portis retire as a Redskin? No.

6) Will Snyder/Vinny blow up this team or go one more year with it relatively intact? Depends. I think if Zorn loses these last two games, he may be out.

7) Keep Springs or Keep Griffin (if you had to keep one) Griffin.

8) Big breasts or fat boody? Since this is a family message board, I'll go with "good sense of humor."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

lighten up francis, he didn't build it, but he added the extra seats that make it a nightmare. when it opened it had 78K seats. too many even then.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 16, 2008 8:02 PM |

The whole problem with the stadium is the extra seats he added. sure your right.

And if you post a dumb statement like Snyder built the stadium be prepared to get called on it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

There are only 8 home games, so there's only so much $$$ you can make from tickets/concessions.

NFL teams make the bulk of their money from the massive TV contracts, and apparel sales.

All the more reason Snyder should - if he's the real "fan" he claims to be - forgo the extra sugar from 35,000 seats and move this wagon train back to RFK ASAP.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL -O- DA DAY

1) Would you trade Chris Cooley for a 2nd
and a 4th rounder?

NO

2) Would you give Hall a long term deal?

YES

3) Is Clinton Portis more important than
London Fletcher?

NO

4) Has Devin Thomas showed flashes of
being a good receiver?

NO

5) Will Clinton Portis retire as a Redskin?

NO

6) Will Snyder/Vinny blow up this team or go one more year with it relatively intact?

BLOW UP

7) Keep Springs or Keep Griffin (if you had to keep one)

GRIFFIN

8) Big breasts or fat boody?

I AM AN AMERICAN, I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO CHOOSE!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 16, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

There are only 8 home games, so there's only so much $$$ you can make from tickets/concessions.

NFL teams make the bulk of their money from the massive TV contracts, and apparel sales.

All the more reason Snyder should - if he's the real "fan" he claims to be - forgo the extra sugar from 35,000 seats and move this wagon train back to RFK ASAP.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:11 PM

Come on man he can't move the team even if he wanted to, they have a lease with MD to play there, plus they would have to convince DC to let them build a new stadium.

RFK is a piece of sh!t you can't play football there anymore.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

JC, does the world need any more proof than this that the PRO BOWL is no longer an honor for players, but a joke of PR stunt?

Posted by: Redskinrex | December 16, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

tough poll

SICWIDIT'S POLL -O- DA DAY

1) Would you trade Chris Cooley for a 2nd
and a 4th rounder?
No (TE is a solved problem)

2) Would you give Hall a long term deal?
No (this is not the year to strike long term deals)

3) Is Clinton Portis more important than
London Fletcher?
No (tough call, the nod goes to Fletcher because he calls the defense). Portis may have more years left, though.

4) Has Devin Thomas showed flashes of
being a good receiver?
No, he's shown flashes of being an OK receiver

5) Will Clinton Portis retire as a Redskin?
No, he'll do the tip-toe burglar tour and find another place to finish his career

6) Will Snyder/Vinny blow up this team or go one more year with it relatively intact?
intact because they can't take too many cap hits at once

7) Keep Springs or Keep Griffin (if you had to keep one)
Springs, because the secondary needs a vet more than the DL does.

8) Big breasts or fat boody?
Carla Gugino

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Stadium switch, another wasted breath convo....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 16, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Stadium switch, another wasted breath convo....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 16, 2008 8:19 PM |

CL some of the comments up here are beyond stupid.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

RFK is a piece of sh!t you can't play football there anymore.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 8:15 PM |
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Why not?

Why is it a piece of sh!t?

For three hours, how many creature comforts do you need to pull for your football team?

The game's the thing.

That stadium seats about 55K, holds sound in well, and has a great history.

If I owned this team, I'd do it in a heartbeat, and I'd still be making more $$$ than I could ever spend.

Like I said, Snyder calls himself a "fan," but when push comes to shove, he's a Greedhead first and foremost.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

By the way, that 55K RFK figure might be greater than the number who show up to this Sunday's Eagles game at FedEx.

It's supposed to be 42, rain, and the Redskins are all but mathematically eliminated.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Games make a ton of money. Luxury boxes that add up to big $$$.

At $100/ticket, that's $8million a game in revenues. Times 10 games (even without playoffs). Plus parking, concessions, merchandise, etc. Realistically, annual ballpark revenues exceed $100million.

Luxury boxes add a lot more $$$ to that because you pay for the box AND the tix.

Toss in PSLs and you'll get another bump of $100,000,000 or something like that.

Don't underestimate the economics of selling out home games. Its huge money.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Like I said, Snyder calls himself a "fan," but when push comes to shove, he's a Greedhead first and foremost.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:22 PM |

Do you speak f-ing english, he can not just break his lease at fed ex.

The state of MD would sue his ass off

What 40,000 people do you strip season tickets from know that the stadium is smaller.

I will no longer speak on this incredibly dumb subject.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

You're right, but TV is still the bulk of the revenue.

Moreover, moving to RFK wouldn't deprive the owner of revenue from home games, $100 a seat tickets, PSLs, or corporate luxury boxes.

He just wouldn't have as many due to RFK's smaller size.

So instead of $100 million from stadium revenue, maybe he pulls in $75 million. And as I said, TV and apparel sales on top of that.

A small cut to take in exchange for some actual home field advantage (right now they have none).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"Prices keep going up around the league. The Giants will charge up to $1 million per luxury box in their new stadium."

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/032308/jag_260718044.shtml

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Don't underestimate the economics of selling out home games. Its huge money.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2008 8:28 PM |

zcez,

We should just go play at a high school stadium since the owner makes no money from home games.

This would make it easier for the people that b!tch about going to the games.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Do you speak f-ing english, he can not just break his lease at fed ex.

The state of MD would sue his ass off

What 40,000 people do you strip season tickets from know that the stadium is smaller.

I will no longer speak on this incredibly dumb subject.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 8:32 PM |
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That's a relief. Nothing amuses me more than online blowhards who complain about people wasting their breath on a topic, only to turn around and waste THEIR breath answering on said topic.

You're doing a fine job of displaying that paradox.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL -O- DA DAY

1) Would you trade Chris Cooley for a 2nd
and a 4th rounder?

An emphatic NO

2) Would you give Hall a long term deal?

At the right price.

3) Is Clinton Portis more important than
London Fletcher?

To 2008, No. To 2010, yes.

4) Has Devin Thomas showed flashes of
being a good receiver?

No.

5) Will Clinton Portis retire as a Redskin?

No.

6) Will Snyder/Vinny blow up this team or go one more year with it relatively intact?

They'll go medium.

7) Keep Springs or Keep Griffin (if you had to keep one)

Springs. They play the same amount of games healthy, Springs is more effective when he plays.

8) Big breasts or fat boody?

boody, no questions

Posted by: psps23 | December 16, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

What 40,000 people do you strip season tickets from know that the stadium is smaller.
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You aren't too sharp are you?

Art Modell "stripped" a lot more people than that when he split Cleveland and came to Baltimore.

You should think your posts through instead of swinging out blindly.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

and for a laugh!!!

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1997/07/21/229218/index.htm

By the same token, the Washington Redskins, which have suffered through some lackluster seasons in recent years, are a great bet to go to the playoffs this coming season--and quite possibly the Super Bowl in the 1998-99 season. Why? This fall the team will play in a brand-new, club-owned $250 million stadium loaded with 208 luxury suites. The $30 million in additional revenue those suites are expected to generate will enable the club to sign more top-ranked players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

That's a relief. Nothing amuses me more than online blowhards who complain about people wasting their breath on a topic, only to turn around and waste THEIR breath answering on said topic.

You're doing a fine job of displaying that paradox.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:35 PM |

It's funny how you are such a dumb a$$ that you have not acknowledged that what you are saying is impossible to do, but you keep saying what a great idea it is and how Snyder is somehow bad because he will not do it.

Join me in the real world please.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes, luxury suites - and the revenue they create - are to be defended at all costs, and if the team has no home field advantage and underachieves year after year?

Well, that's just bidness.

PS: You should switch to decaf.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question:

Should we be more satisfied with Zorn BECAUSE his offense produced 4 pro-bowlers, or should we be even more pissed that his offense is in a state of paralysis DESPITE having 4 pro-bowlers?

I'm going with the latter.

Posted by: psps23 | December 16, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

You aren't too sharp are you?

Art Modell "stripped" a lot more people than that when he split Cleveland and came to Baltimore.

You should think your posts through instead of swinging out blindly.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:38 PM |

You should just shut up now this is the dumbest thing ever written on this blog.

He moved states you idiot of course all the fans lost there tickets.

When the new team was braught in all the fans who had tickets to the Browns were given a chance to buy tickets for the new Browns.

This was a total different situation from what you are suggesting.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if the TV revenues exceed stadium revenues at this point. Neither dwarfs the other. The TV stuff is highly profitable since they don't have to pay staff, take out insurance or pay a mortgage, though.

I've been a believer that if you mess up the game day experience at the stadium, you'll lose the next generation to other sports (X games, etc). I suspect that is happening, but have no data to back it up.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I'll be satisfied with Zorn if he can win these last two games.

If he doesn't, I think The Danny may cut the cord on him, although I'd personally like to see him return next year.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I want to see the future of this team play the last two games, winning them or losing them means nothing.

we need to see what some of the younger guys can do.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

You should just shut up now this is the dumbest thing ever written on this blog.

He moved states you idiot of course all the fans lost there tickets.

When the new team was braught in all the fans who had tickets to the Browns were given a chance to buy tickets for the new Browns.

This was a total different situation from what you are suggesting.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 8:44 PM |
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I'd give my eyeteeth to take a blood pressure reading on you right now.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm out be back in the morning when hopefully the subject will be changed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Baseball teams did eventually figure out that a smaller ballpark can be more profitable. Limit supply, improve the experience and demand will overtake supply. The Orioles did this to perfection.

The SF Giants as well. Oakland has had a better baseball team than the Giants, but the Giants sell 2x the tix at 2x the price.

All said, FedEx is going to be where the Skins play for another decade or more. But the risks that have been mentioned here about losing the fan base are real ... and Fed Ex is part of the problem

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 16, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I like Rock, no one has questioned why he couldn't take that kick to the house. A true kick returner would have been in the end zone.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 16, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Has a football team ever moved to a stadium of smaller capacity? I'm actually curious how you'd take away peoples' tickets.

I suppose first you'd ask for volunteers. Give 'em free admittance to Six Flags for life, or free milkshakes at Rockets for their trouble. But then what?

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 16, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

How does London not make Pro Bowl?? He's the best player on the team, the defense's QB and a decent Darrell Green type of guy off the field..Portis's run up until the current "wheels spinning in the ditch offense" warrants a spot, Caveman is the best of a handful of FB's available, but both Cooley and Samuels are just riding on reputation, hate to say..

What about getting McNabb?? They talk of moving on from McNabb in Philly all the time (then again Philly fans have been horribly abused since birth and hate everything), but he's the quintessential West Coast QB, if a bit old, and at least could teach Campbell (and Zorn ) a few tricks..

Posted by: frak | December 16, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

A few weeks ago, Philly got a glimpse of what they'd be moving on to. Immediately following Kolb's performance, McNabb ordered a new Mercedes.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 16, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL -O- DA DAY

1) Would you trade Chris Cooley for a 2nd
and a 4th rounder?
Nope, and drafting high for Davis never made sense

2) Would you give Hall a long term deal?
Yep, he's showed up instantly like Buddha game one
3) Is Clinton Portis more important than
London Fletcher?
Nope , London is the true leader of this team, though Portis is special
4) Has Devin Thomas showed flashes of
being a good receiver?
The reverse and the bombs called back..He should study Anquan Boldin and Steve Smith in the off-season, both thickerer type deep ballers

5) Will Clinton Portis retire as a Redskin?
I'd prefer it, but he's got to put some reins on his mouth..

6) Will Snyder/Vinny blow up this team or go one more year with it relatively intact?
Hopefully Snyder will blow up Vinny
7) Keep Springs or Keep Griffin (if you had to keep one)
Unfortunately both are good for only a half-season each, I say both, but would defer to keeping Cornelius
8) Big breasts or fat boody?
FIRM boody, like Winona Ryder or GRRRRRafalo


Posted by: frak | December 16, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

You can take away tickets for any reason you like.

They could start with the club level seats; whoever bought those apparently never shows up, because games on TV always show an empty yellow ring around the stadium where the club level seats are.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I think the Skins should build a marsmallow stadium off the sea of swirlie gooey gumdrops. I think loose joint should be sold next to plastic bottles of bud light and that the seats should offer happy endings after losses to relief stress.

I think snyder should turn over the luxury boxes to school kids who qualify for free lunch program and that skins should be allowed to start all drives at the opponents 25 yard line.

Then we will be a contender with a truly rad game day experience!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 16, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I'll settle for an owner who chooses a venue that actually provides home field advantage, some history, easy access for fans, and still makes a shi*load of money.

But wait.

That isn't good enough.

The object of this game is to make TWO shi*loads of money.

My bad.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 16, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"that skins should be allowed to start all drives at the opponents 25 yard line."

We'd still find a new way to fumble the ball or miss the field goal.

Posted by: Doublebagger | December 16, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey going back to the free agent and cut things i would not be surprised that with the lack of draft picks that the redskins go crazy in free agency but smart alo( if thats possible) i believe they should make a big run at Albert haynesworth he is a difference maker and will demand double teams this will automatically help the pass rush then as for marcus washingtons spot they will go after channing crowder he is a good linebacker and can fill in here for a long time then in the draft they chould go for an offensive gaurd or a devensive end in the first round ( i know it sounds crazy because everyone is complaining about the offensive line but listen samuels is still an elite tackle and rabach is still a good center and again thomas is an alternate to the pro bowl and heyer is getting better and will eventually take over for jansen so the only spot that needs to be filled is LG and Derrick Dockery was a 3rd round pick and oh yeah we have a 1st and a 3rd and if that third round pick is not ready then start the rheinhart experiment) and then in the rest of the draft they should go for a corner or late round wide reciever that has good returining skills lokk at the monday night game with the eagles they had that safety Demps and hes a good backup and a good return man and he was a late round draft pick well thats my two cents and i hope im right.

Posted by: redskins52571 | December 16, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry, are you cranky from lack of punk rock?

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 16, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Free Agents that come here are looking to get paid and go through the motions before retirement. Asking them to play hard for a W is too much to ask.

Posted by: Doublebagger | December 16, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

to double down on doublebagger....Haynesworth fits this mold....he will be a gynormous bust if we sign him. I like him as a player but if he comes here with big payday its stubblefield 2.0.

Haynesworth=equals fools gold for skins...

also, while I agree that the team could benifit from "smart" free agent spree....wont happen with Vinny...


Smack punk rock makes me crankier..."I hate music, sometimes I don't, its got to many notes"

Posted by: chrislarry | December 16, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Just found this in ESPN:
Guys name is Michael Oher out of Ole Miss
they have him ranked as 3rd best tackle (20th overall) coming out of the draft

Michael Oher 6'5" 330lbs.

Production 1 Has started 34 consecutive games during his first three seasons (2005-'07), including the last 24 games at left tackle

Height-Weight-Speed 3 Height and top-end speed are adequate but not ideal for the OT position. Is well-proportioned for his frame

Durability 1 Has not missed a game through his first three seasons (2005-'07) at Mississippi

Character 2 'The Blind Side: The Evolution of a Game' is a best-selling book that chronicles the life story of Oher, who grew up as one of 13 children of a drug-addicted mother and had limited formal education prior to signing with Ole Miss in 2005
Offensive Tackle specific Traits

Strength/Toughness 1 A well-proportioned OT with strong arms and hands. Outstanding lower-body strength, as well. Flashes a mean streak

Agility 3 Shows adequate initial quickness when moving forward. Plays with adequate leverage and stays balanced. However, he is not an elite athlete for the position. The more space he's in the less effective his play becomes

Awareness 3 Has great experience at college football's highest level but he's still a work in progress. Generally knows his assignments but will be late picking up the blitz at times. Occasionally seems to be thinking rather than reacting

Pass Protection 2 Uses long arms and strong hands to force rushers wide. Plays with a wide base and is very effective anchoring versus the bull rush. Occasionally mixes in a very effective cut-block. However, he lacks ideal quickness in his deep set and will have trouble versus elite speed rushers in the NFL.

Run Blocking 1 Is thickly built with a wide base. Takes solid angles and wins nearly every battle once locked on. Works to sustain; drives his legs and generally gets a good surge. Range as a second-level blocker is adequate but not ideal
Trait Scale
1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average
3 = Average 4 = Below average
5 = Marginal

Posted by: dspinx | December 16, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Oher's story is amazing.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 16, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Love for the Skins to get him and stick him in the RT spot that was occupied by Jansen, perhaps move Heyer over to LT and have Buges coach him up at that position. Cause it looks like the salary cap situation with Jansen, he might be with us for 1-2 more years.

Posted by: dspinx | December 16, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Oher is a consensus top 5 pick.
I don't think we can lose enough games to get there. Do you want to trade the rest of our draft for him?

Posted by: daggar | December 16, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

1) Would you trade Chris Cooley for a 2nd
and a 4th rounder?

No. Vinny would just get another Fred Davis/Justin Tryon for the picks anyway.

2) Would you give Hall a long term deal?

No. Character question marks hurt the team in the long run.

3) Is Clinton Portis more important than
London Fletcher?

CP carried the team for the wins, but a close call.

4) Has Devin Thomas showed flashes of
being a good receiver?

Not that I've seen, but it doesn't mean he won't become one. I actually have higher hopes for Malcolm Kelly. Both need another training camp and a fresh start in '09.

5) Will Clinton Portis retire as a Redskin?

Probably. Danny will keep him overpaid until he calls it quits.

6) Will Snyder/Vinny blow up this team or go one more year with it relatively intact?

What will they do? They always think they're closer than they are. The commitment to rebuild will start when Vinny goes. Otherwise expect more free agents over the age of 30.

7) Keep Springs or Keep Griffin (if you had to keep one)

Both are still top players when healthy, which is almost never. I lean toward Springs.

And unrelated... I definitely recommend the Oher book, The Blind Side. It's an easy read, a good story, and it reminds you that a good o-line is very important.

Posted by: beatkal | December 16, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

i calculated the odds against the skins making the playoffs and we are looking at somewhere between 57:1 (realistically) and 14:1 (optimistically). That translates to a lower range of 1.7% and an upper range of 6.6%.

I know if I were to make a wager I wouldn't take anything less than 30:1.

Posted by: mikeblacksburg | December 17, 2008 2:38 AM | Report abuse

"Fitzpatrick shocked the Redskins' hardscrabble defense by reviving an offense that hadn't reached the end zone in 12 quarters. His 79-yard screen pass to Cedric Benson gave the Bengals their longest play of the season and set up one of the scores. He also scored from the 1-yard line on a bootleg, going in untouched."

-a screen pass
...to cedric benson

>:(

Posted by: BMACattack | December 17, 2008 4:04 AM | Report abuse

Four ProBowlers on offense and averages one touchdown per game these days (and only on short fields). Yeah, right.

Find me a different silver lining.

Posted by: driley | December 17, 2008 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Here's a question:

Should we be more satisfied with Zorn BECAUSE his offense produced 4 pro-bowlers, or should we be even more pissed that his offense is in a state of paralysis DESPITE having 4 pro-bowlers?

I'm going with the latter.

Posted by: psps23

It just shows what devalued currency it is to be named a ProBowler.

Posted by: driley | December 17, 2008 6:32 AM | Report abuse

It just shows what devalued currency it is to be named a ProBowler.

Posted by: driley | December 17, 2008 6:32 AM |

driley,

This is something we agree on, the pro bowl is a complete joke.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 17, 2008 6:36 AM | Report abuse

Find me a different silver lining.

Posted by: driley | December 17, 2008 6:14 AM

You could go with what I'm using...we only have to watch this crap for two more weeks. And I'm actually not even going to bother since other teams will be making a playoff push and I could watch Pittsburgh or Carolina do some damage to some folks preseason playoff brackets.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

After hearing Zorn the last couple of days I can almost already see the eagles game.

He is going to run this exact same offense out there and they will score 10-13 points.

If this is the case then I would applaud Snyder for firing his a$$ because it will show he is a stubborn jack a$$.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 17, 2008 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Here is a site that does a complete 7 round mock draft, not sure I would go this way but what do I know.

16 Washington Jason Smith OT 6'5" 300 Baylor

80 Washington Tyrone McKenzie OLB 6'2" 235 South Florida

144 Washington Devin Moore RB 5'9" 190 Wyoming

176 Washington Jason McCourty CB 5'11" 190 Rutgers

http://www.nfldraftsite.com/

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 17, 2008 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Here is a site that does a complete 7 round mock draft, not sure I would go this way but what do I know.

16 Washington Jason Smith OT 6'5" 300 Baylor

80 Washington Tyrone McKenzie OLB 6'2" 235 South Florida

144 Washington Devin Moore RB 5'9" 190 Wyoming

176 Washington Jason McCourty CB 5'11" 190 Rutgers

http://www.nfldraftsite.com/

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 17, 2008 6:56 AM

I don't see the Skins taking those guys because they actually need those positions. According to Vinny that's a mistake...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

I don't see the Skins taking those guys because they actually need those positions. According to Vinny that's a mistake...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2008 6:59 AM |

You could be correct.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 17, 2008 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Here's how the Skins pick in the draft:

1st round - traded to the Jets for Brett Favre

3rd round - WR

4th round - TE

5th round - TE

Any remaining picks will likely be traded for an injury prone player that was already released. Yup, sounds about right...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Ouch! Anyway, I'm here to repay you guys some of the sympathy/counseling you gave me during the course of the 2007 Fins season.

Go on, I'm listening ...

Posted by: Redcoat | December 17, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Be careful what you wish for, Redcoat...

All I ask is that you pass Parcells this way when you're done with him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

:) It's the least I can do after you guys helped me through my PTSD.

I saw an interview with Parcells on "Real Sports with Giant Bumble" back in the Summer where Parcells basically stated that his work was done for the season and he was off to play golf because Ireland and Sparano make all the day-to-day decisions.

Maybe the Danny could approach Huizenga about getting the Tuna on a time-share?

Posted by: Redcoat | December 17, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

This is a link to the interview. It's only a couple of minutes long, but it gives you real insight into his life (which sounds a little sad).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N67iLJY-R74

Posted by: Redcoat | December 17, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the Danny could approach Huizenga about getting the Tuna on a time-share?

Posted by: Redcoat | December 17, 2008 7:31 AM

There aren't enough hours in the day to fix this mess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

This Hamster Nation
Now on suicide watch; but,
blog hard, fire Vinnie

Posted by: daggar | December 17, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Not on suicide watch, Daggar...just opting not to watch the rest of the season.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

There aren't enough hours in the day to fix this mess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2008 7:37 AM

Sure there are. You guys certainly aren't in anything like as bad a state as the Fins and Falcons were after last year.

The greatest unresolved question is "how much are the front office and coaching staff in denial?" If they aren't in denial then you're off to the races, if they are ... well then sorry.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 17, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Good discussion on Zcabe's morning show he is talking to an NFL expert.

He said they do not let JC throw the ball down the field on first and ten which is the best down to do it.

Jason will not throw to guys that are not wide open.

Also said Zorn offense is to easy to defend tactically.

Has talked to several defensive players who have played the Skins and they all say it is a very basic offense.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 17, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

The greatest unresolved question is "how much are the front office and coaching staff in denial?" If they aren't in denial then you're off to the races, if they are ... well then sorry.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 17, 2008 7:54 AM |

Red,

This question will be anwsered in a couple of weeks, if they say after the season that we are just a play or player away from the SB I will go crazy.

If they come out and say this isn't working we need to make some major changes I will smile.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 17, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

The greatest unresolved question is "how much are the front office and coaching staff in denial?" If they aren't in denial then you're off to the races, if they are ... well then sorry.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 17, 2008 7:54 AM

Therein lies the problem, Redcoat. This team does a lousy job of self-assessing. They always think they're a player or two away from contending. In reality, they need to blow this thing up and start from scratch. I'm fully aware it means suffering through a 3-13 or 4-12 season but if they have a direction and a goal in mind I'm for it. But instead of repaving the dam they're just sticking gum on the cracks...and we all know how that ends.

I'd join you on the 2008 Dolphins bandwagon if Miami wasn't so far away and I didn't hate Parcells so much.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

FINNEGAN MIGHT FLOAT TO HAWAII?
Posted by Mike Florio on December 16, 2008, 11:43 p.m. EST
One of the drawbacks of making it to the Pro Bowl? Getting there entails a long flight over a lot of blue water.

And, apparently, Titans cornerback Cortland Finnegan doesn’t like to fly. So he might explore other ways of getting to Honolulu.

Finnegan reportedly has considering taking a cruise ship. The more likely approach? Pills, booze, or both.

What the heck does he do when he has to, you know, fly to the games that the Titans play during the regular season?

We figure he’ll find a way to work it out. If all else fails, he should resort to the time-honored tactic of faking an injury and not attending the thing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 17, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Bless you brownwood, but our bandwagon loses its wheels some time in the next 3 weeks. Even if we win out and go to the playoffs I'm not sure who loses sleep about having to play us.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 17, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

If they come out and say this isn't working we need to make some major changes I will smile.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 17, 2008 7:59 AM

I won't smile until I get less lip service and more wins. Until then I'm officially disgruntled.

As for your Fins, Redcoat...crazier things have happened. If the Giants can go all the way in 2007, the Fins have just as good a chance in 2008.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

NFC East leads league in dysfunction
By Gene Wojciechowski


Meanwhile, all you need to know about the state of the Redskins is that coach Jim Zorn had this to say about his recent job performance: "I just feel like the worst coach in America."

The Redskins started the season 6-2 but are 1-5 since the halfway point. Zorn recently got into it with the hardest-working tailback in show business, Clinton Portis. (Portis facetiously called Zorn a "genius.") And they lost 20-13 to the previously one-win Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday, which prompted Zorn to announce Monday that he will reassess his entire coaching philosophy.

[+] EnlargeAP Photo/Tom Mihalek

Asante Samuel had an interception for a touchdown as the Eagles kept their playoff hopes alive Monday.

"I feel sick to my stomach even thinking about having to go and do this kind of evaluation," he said.

The good news is that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder has a history of patience and understanding. Oh, wait, no he doesn't. Snyder is the kind of guy who would fire Santa for violating a company-wide no-beard policy. Anyway, it will take an act of God for Washington to reach the January wild-card games.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 17, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Flound, thanks for posting that draft linky, I'd take Smith in the first, if, and ONLY IF, they're unable to move back to accrue more picks. He's a converted TE, and from everything I've read has really good feet for the position.

Regarding this weeks game, if they come out and do the same things as they've done the last 6 weeks, then Zorn doesn't get it, and is BLATANTLY LYING about looking at himself, and needs to get fired.

RC, agreed, I'm not sure we're as bad off as everyone makes it out to be. YES things are BAD, but it can be fixed, I think some OL/DL help, and it would be night and day to what it is now....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 17, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

He is the 3rd rated OT in the draft, the other guys will be gone way before we pick.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 17, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

flound, it kills me not having the 2nd round pick, lots of OL types will be coming out this year, with a lot of talent to be had in the second round I'd guess.
Guys from OK, and LSU are gonna be second round gems.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 17, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

"It just shows what devalued currency it is to be named a ProBowler.

Posted by: driley"

While I agree out of principle this is true, none of the guys selected on an individual basis DIDN'T deserve to go. Collectively, they've been awful. Individually, they've been great.

Portis is still on pace to break the franchise record for rushing yards in a season.

Cooley still leads all NFC tight ends in receptions, and is on pace to shatter his career highs with ~84 receptions and ~880 yards.

Sellers was one of the few subjectively deserving pro-bowlers, even being given props from national entities like ESPN for deserving the selection.

Samuels for a majority of the year has held together a largely dysfunctional offensive line, allowing them to be one of the dominant run-blocking units until he got hurt.

So again I ask, should we be more satisfied with Zorn BECAUSE his offense produced 4 pro-bowlers, or should we be even more pissed that his collective offense is in a state of paralysis DESPITE having 4 pro-bowlers?

Posted by: psps23 | December 17, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

flound, it kills me not having the 2nd round pick, lots of OL types will be coming out this year, with a lot of talent to be had in the second round I'd guess.
Guys from OK, and LSU are gonna be second round gems.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 17, 2008 8:17 AM |

I think we could get a starting Guard with that pick, but that is OK Jeff Ireland will draft a guy who will be a probowl player for the next 10 years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 17, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 17, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

JLC,

Portis - 1544 total yards, 7 TD, 4.6 YPC
Jacobs - 1033 total yards, 12 TD, 5.1 YPC

Also Footballoutsiders.com which you consider a valuable resource has Portis ranked number 1 in terms of DVYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the performance on plays where this running back carried/caught the ball compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage.

Jacobs has pulled himself our held himself out of 4 games this year, compared to really only 2 game where Portis was pulled. Indicating that Portis has done more for his team than Jacobs. Also, while they lost last week against Dallas which possibly indicates the value of Jacobs to the Giants, keep in mind that in the 3 other games when Jacobs was pulled or held out, the Giants still managed to run the ball effectively - indicating that Jacobs (while being very good) is more a product of running in a very good system.

Posted by: tedunni1 | December 17, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL -O- DA DAY

1) Would you trade Chris Cooley for a 2nd
and a 4th rounder?

no

2) Would you give Hall a long term deal?

Yes

3) Is Clinton Portis more important than
London Fletcher?

Portis=Fletcher, The heart of their respective unit.

4) Has Devin Thomas showed flashes of
being a good receiver?

Yes, If only he could catch.

5) Will Clinton Portis retire as a Redskin?

Quite Possibly

6) Will Snyder/Vinny blow up this team or go one more year with it relatively intact?

One more year.

7) Keep Springs or Keep Griffin (if you had to keep one)

Griffin, at least the big guy plays. Boo-Boo Springs is first on my Cut list, followed closely by Ouchie-Wawa Washington.

8) Big breasts or fat boody?

Neither, All things in moderation my friend. Besides, with my affinity for Asian women, neither of these items is in overwhelming quantity.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 16, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

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