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Pros and Cons of B. Marshall

As we discussed just a few days ago, the wide receiver position is not exactly settled for the Redskins going into training camp.

Of the 10 wideouts on the roster, you could argue only one, Santana Moss, has proven to be a consistent top performer in the NFL.

Antwaan Randle El has been a good, if not spectacular, producer since coming to the Redskins, averaging 45 catches for 557 yards in three seasons -- though he has been forced to step into the No. 2 wide receiver spot when he fits best in the slot.

Keith Eloi, Marko Mitchell and Jaison Williams are rookies. We know all about Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly. Marques Hagans has nine career receptions, Trent Shelton has no catches, and Roydell Williams had one strong season but was out of the league last year due to an ankle injury.

What's the point of all of this, 'yes, we know all this already' breakdown? Well, with the Denver Broncos' Brandon Marshall now on the trade market, I figure it'd be worth weighing the pros and cons of acquiring the Pro Bowl receiver. Because, let's be honest, with this team you never know.

You guys have already started debating it in the comments, but today I'll get things started, and you guys can continue the back-and-forth...

Pro -- In the last two seasons, Marshall has hauled in 206 receptions for 2,590 yards -- among the tops in the league. His 1,325 receiving yards in 2007 and 1,265 yards in 2008 would rank 7th and 8th, respectively, all time in Redskins' history.
Con -- He's another disgruntled receiver forcing himself out of an organization and is coming off offseason hip surgery. The Broncos' asking price could also be somewhere in the range of first- and third-round draft picks.

Pro -- Marshall's 104 receptions for 1,265 yards last season are more than the Redskins Nos. 2, 3, 4 and 5 receivers combined last year by more than 400 yards. A Redskins wide receiver has caught more than 100 passes in a season just once: Art Monk, with 106 in 1984. Marshall has done so twice in the last two seasons.
Con -- Marshall faces a trial this summer on two misdemeanor battery charges stemming from an altercation with his former girlfriend. The outcome could subject Marshall to disciplinary action by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. And it's not the first time he's run into legal trouble. There have been a string of incidents involving Marshall and the police since 2006.

Pro -- Marshall has played in Mike Shanahan's West Coast offense and would seemingly be able to transition relatively smoothly into Jim Zorn's version of that offense in Washington.
Con -- Marshall is seeking a contract somewhere around $9 million a year, 1 million less than Arizona Cardinals' WR Larry Fitzgerald. That's some serious cash.

Is Marshall worth the negatives for the type of production he's had in the last two years? Is he worth at least talking to Denver to see what they'd want?

By Paul Tenorio  |  June 17, 2009; 1:16 PM ET
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first or close ...No not worth it.

Posted by: MadeRED | June 17, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Def Worth it

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | June 17, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Why not try to sign Plax? He wouldnt cost the draft picks and hes more proven. Both marshal and Plax are headcases so thats a washout. If we are looking for a WR why wouldnt we sign one?

But we all know the redskins, they never saw a draft pick they didnt want to trade.

Posted by: nferg18 | June 17, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

No way, but I'm sure Vinny and Snyder will find some way to get him and screw up yet another season.

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk | June 17, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

If your not first your last

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 17, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Or if you're not 1st, you're last...


I know we have grammar police in here.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 17, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4261889


Imagine if our recievers stayed at Jason Campbell's house. I dont know if I want Ocho-Cinco living with me.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 17, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

You would have to be the dumbest GM in the NFL to actually WANT this guy on your team.

Absolutely NOT worth the headache that he brings.

The cost (Draft picks), the money, the off field issues, clubhouse, all reasons to not look at acquiring him.

Posted by: Higgs44 | June 17, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Pro - yes. He plays for money.

Con - potentially. If he really beats women.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

No, to him, and no to Plax.

The fact that no team has bothered to sign Plax up to this point is somewhat telling to me.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Pro: He's a Bronco, as was Clinton Portis which means we'll ge fleeced but at least get some good production.

Con: He's bat-sh!t crazy.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 17, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

do we have all of our 2010 draft picks still?

Lets keep it that way.

Sign Plax b4 u trade picks...plus Plax will come cheaper and u know he'd like a shot to play against the Giants. Im honestly shocked we havent heard any rumors about the Skins being interested in Burress.

Posted by: Redskins2Win | June 17, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

No and if the Goodwell wants to get on players for their off the field action. Beating a woman should be at the top of list as a reason to sit a player for 4 games.

Posted by: jm220 | June 17, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

WR is a problem spot and Marshall can fix it. Problem is, he's very costly and somewhat risky. At this point, I'd say no to Marshall.

Plus, while we have a bunch of 'just a guy' sorts behind Moss, two of them have played well at the NFL level. ARE and Roydell. I'll take Moss with 1,000+ yards and two guys with 500 yards. We probably have 3 NFL worthy WRs on the roster now. Maybe more if any of the bunch (Marko, Thomas, Kelly, Eloi) surprises. We know that there is talent and athleticism in that group.

The bigger issue for the Skins is the OL. If the Skins have serious coin to invest, use it for RT, RG and/or C.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Pro - strong, physical receiver

Con - Double dates w/ Chris Brown


...maps... [:-|

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 17, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I believe that the Justice League has already spoken, and the verdict on Marshall is ... NO! (Aquaman delivered the unanamimous verdict)

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 17, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I believe that the Justice League has already spoken, and the verdict on Marshall is ... NO! (Aquaman delivered the unanamimous verdict)

Posted by: JohnDinHouston

lol classic

Posted by: jm220 | June 17, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I hate to admit it, but Plax is pretty much what the Redskins have been looking for -- a big, catch-in-traffic WR with enough speed to go deep. I doubt he's as productive as the younger Marshall but as several have pointed out, he'll come a lot cheaper.

Burress would help Campbell by catching some of those flat-arc fastballs that Jason puts up the closer he gets to the end zone. Jason's very accurate but he sometimes seems to have trouble getting the ball over a defender's outstretched hands. With Plax, that's seldom a problem -- he's just up way higher than the man covering him.

I don't know if you could consider Burress a deep threat anymore, in the way you would Marshall or Larry Fitzgerald. But playing alongside Moss and Randle El, he wouldn't necessarily need to be.

Still, I think Burress lands in Miami or San Diego.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 17, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

You forgot the biggest con.


It would require trading with Denver, an organization that has never hesitated to stick it to the Skins in terms of draft picks traded.

No thanks.

Posted by: Veretax | June 17, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Receivers of his and Plax's caliber often represent the difference between winning and losing. The Giants without Plax, for example, were not even close to being the offensive juggernaut they were before Plax's departure. Receivers at this level can inspire confidence in the entire offense. I say hell yeah, bring him in. Without a question.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | June 17, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I think the failure to find Plax a new team has more to do with the ambiguity of his court case, than fear of signing him. He is getting some baaaad legal advice. He should have already pleaded down and taken a token Jail sentence, that he could have arraigned to do during offseason. If he's have done that he would have still been a Giant or signed somewhere else.

I take Plax over Marshall 10/10 times b/c of draft pick price AND the moral weight of their crimes. Spousal abuse is some serious sjk......

An emphatic NO to Marshall...

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

He's worth a conversation with Denver. That conversation should begin and end with Devin Thomas and a 3rd round pick in '10. Anything more than that, not interested.

Posted by: jaldrichl | June 17, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I know we could never pull it off cap-wise, and can't afford the headaches, but isn't it funny that we have

1) a free-spending owner
2) a major need at WR
3) Boldin, Plax, and now Marshall basically there for the taking!!

I'm just sayin'...

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 17, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I say that as long as M. Kelly is still healthy, we don't need a Plax or Marshall on the roster. If he gets hurt (which seems to be likely) I wouldn't mind if they went after Plax on the cheap....but only on the cheap. Marshall wants 9 mil a year; puh-leaze!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 17, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

We should pick him up. We only have one proven receiver.

But what we need even more is a QB.

Let's be real here.

Posted by: Jaymand | June 17, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

no to marshall...
yes to burress...

in trading for marshall we'd have to give up high draft picks...which we need on our OLD, THIN team...and marshall is not the big reciever we need...he's smaller and unless we could trade ARE straight up...NO

with burress, he is a UFA who will get suspended for a few games...but skins have easy(ish) early schedule...we'd need him for second half where he would probably be ready to go...presuming he doesn't shoot himself, AGAIN

Posted by: carsonspence | June 17, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

@Jay - roflmao!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 17, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Haven't we been through this before?

What's his name from the 49'ers?

The other what's his name from Buffalo?

Just how much $$$ are we going to allocate to one position on this team?

It would be as dumb a move as one could imagine.

Therefore I am certain that he has a better than 50/50 shot at being acquired by the Skins FO.


.

Posted by: oldnova | June 17, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

ARE and sleepy davis for Marshall...

Posted by: carsonspence | June 17, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Dude has relationship issues. He is engaged. He doesn't want to come to DC with all of these beautiful women. Half of witch can give you a run for your money via their mouth!

So, unfortunetly, DC is not a good place for him.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Dude has relationship issues. He is engaged. He doesn't want to come to DC with all of these beautiful women. Half of witch can give you a run for your money via their mouth!

So, unfortunetly, DC is not a good place for him.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

So what he should try and go to a nice homely city like Green Bay? Hate to say it but our town is regularly mocked for its lack of hot chicks.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Bailey cut from Denver.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

4th, is that Champ you're talking about.....

I'd trade Mason, as well as the angst of not re-signing Pierce to the Broncos for Marshall....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Y'kno - even though I see the logic of acquiring Plax, I'll still want to punch him in the grill every time I see him.
..is that wrong?

Plax: "I accidentally my leg"

Pierce: "You WHAT?!"

Plax: "my leg!"

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 17, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

You just know the next thing 4th posts will be:

...Boss

Posted by: 4-12 | June 17, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Bailey cut from Denver.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Danny! GO GET EM!

Whats Denver up to... Trying to do worse then the 08 lions?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

No. If you're going to go after a knucklehead WR then go for Plax.

Posted by: skinswest | June 17, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Definitely worth looking into, as is Plax IMO.

IF Thomas and/or Kelly dont blossom this season the offense will struggle again. Bringing in Marshall or Plax makes this offense dynamic and would mean a big season for not only Campbell but Moss, Cooley and Portis as well.

From an organizational stand point its hard to understand why we wouldnt after going after Cutler and Sanchez the way we did. Lord knows Campbell has done much more than Thomas or Kelly have.

If we were willing to give up picks for Sanchez, we should be willing to do the same thing for Marshall.

Posted by: DMoney28 | June 17, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Pros: I really can't think of any considering what we'd have to give up to get him.

Cons: We don't have Jay Cutler.

Posted by: jeffbo_80 | June 17, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Alex - I don't think we need Boss Bailey. He's too small....

You thought they would cut Champ? (Sorry to play with emotions. Trying to get the blood moving in the afternoon)

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Is Toomer still out there? I would think he would be a smart pickup as a slot guy from time to time.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Alex - I don't think we need Boss Bailey. He's too small....

You thought they would cut Champ? (Sorry to play with emotions. Trying to get the blood moving in the afternoon)

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 2:48 PM

I really would not want either of them now, I was more mocking those who do the Danny go get em thing.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

It was Boss....which actually wouldn't be a bad signing!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

except for the knee surgery....i just want more LBS!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

You guys are thinking about this wrong. Let's sign Marvin Harrison. In HIS shooting incident, he was smart enough to not get caught.

Maybe we can sign the whole lot of them - Harrison, Burress, Marshall, and Vick. Look how well that philosophy has worked for Cincinnati.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | June 17, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins need liinebackers like Christopher Walken needs cowbell.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Best line about Cinci ever was the point at how appropriate it was that they changed their jersey color to jumpsuit orange.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Boss has the height, but not the weight to play in the NFC east. Only 233 lbs....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Can we trade for Ryan Clady instead???

Posted by: p1funk | June 17, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

i think it'd be better to go after plax unless we can get marshall for the super cheap. but knowing vinny he'd overpay. Think back to rod gardner he was a top 10 pick and a starter for us and we traded him for a sixth pick. marshall says he won't play in denver which should drop his value i'll go no higher than a third rounder.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

He's a top receiver...screw his behavior we need a prolific offense to compete in the NFC east, and right now we don't have anything near that.

Get Marshall by any means necessary.

Money will shut him up, and to be honest, with the way we draft I would rather give away the picks to get a stud player like this one.

Don't let this one get away Snyderrato.


Posted by: Broman17 | June 17, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrence puts his pants on in the morning just like everyone else.

The difference is, once he has them on - he makes gold records!

More

Cow

Bell

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 17, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

happy birthday Alber Haynesworth.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

No Thanks!
An easily disgruntled, headcase with the propensity too constantly find himself in handcuffs.
Is the last thing, this team needs.

Posted by: dashriprock | June 17, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

No, no and no.

I just don't support the philosophy.

We did next to nothing to fix our O-line. We got Dockery on discount, signed Mike Williams off of Dockery's couch and pulled Jeremy Bridges out of a courtroom.

If we are not going to make serious moves to get some serious O-lineman, I will never support the idea of trading high draft picks and paying big $$ to a problem-child WR.

Posted by: p1funk | June 17, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

dash is turning into HaikuMaan!

Disgruntled Headcase
Himself in Handcuffs is the
Last thing this Team Needs

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 17, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Pros: Jason won't throw it 3 feet over his head.

Cons:Inevitably any free agent pro bowler we sign, rarely ever makes the pro bowl with us.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 17, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

IF its an uncapped year, I suspect Vinny would be talking with Denver right now about Marshall. But its not

plax is a much more likely candidate for us and a good fit for what we need, talent-wise. But whoever posted the thing about his legal stuff going on too long nailed it. Get the plea deal over with -- the only person he hurt was himself -- and get back to making a living.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Get him! just make sure there is a clause that lowers the value of the picks we have to give up if he gets suspended as a result of his trial this summer. Pay him through the roof in the uncapped year. Lets get some real depth at wr!

Posted by: brian58 | June 17, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

YES YES YES ans yes. For the people saying plexiglass instead this kid is like 7 years younger. While that gives him many more years to rack up felonies under an nfl contract it also means that he will be a stud for a long time. Plex used to be very iffy for the steelers, recently has been a beast.It scares me to think what this kid could do in the future, on the field not in the household. Marshall is already good a S and gives JC the tall man hes always longed for.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 17, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

He's a top receiver...screw his behavior we need a prolific offense to compete in the NFC east, and right now we don't have anything near that.

Get Marshall by any means necessary.

Money will shut him up, and to be honest, with the way we draft I would rather give away the picks to get a stud player like this one.

Don't let this one get away Snyderrato.


Posted by: Broman17 | June 17, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse
I like the way you think. Danny Ball is destined to work one day. I pray 2010 is uncapped.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 17, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else besides JM(auve)220 play golf?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else besides JM(auve)220 play golf?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Dying sport!!!!

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

No to Marshall. Talented or not, he's a mysogenistic punk.

And no one's signing Burress until his case is heard... NYC has mandatory jail time for illegal gun possession/use. I think the minimum is a year.

Posted by: outsider6 | June 17, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

And no more with this GET PLAX!!!!

He won't play this year.

He's 30 something.

And a bum.

And a F***ing moron for shooting himself.

Brandon Marshall = NFC east champions

Posted by: Broman17 | June 17, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

lh, no, no, 1000 times no....all golf does is make me swear, and fling clubs all over the fairway, not to mention I can't afford to do it that often so on the rare occasion that I do golf, I'm terrible....so no...don't golf...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Marshall = NFC east champions

Posted by: Broman17 | June 17, 2009 3:14 PM

YES!

Posted by: brian58 | June 17, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Bean, you either need to work on your game or get counseling.

Thanks for the reply. What I am trying to determine is if there is any interest in an a-hole-free RI golf outing.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Marshall gives the Skins a true red zone threat. Besides the always dangerous stretch play to Ladell Betts from 5 yards out.

Awesome Defense = Short Field + Running Game/Brandon Marshall= Beating the crap out of the Giants.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 17, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

eli passer rating in 2008 (average of each game rating)

92 w/ Burress (9 games)
83 w/o Burress (7 games)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't make sense to spend big money on any sports cars until we fix the potholes in the road. I'm nervous about our offensive line. I'd rather get a stud RT or versatile G/T to make sure we have time to throw before investing in a guy like BM.

Posted by: Sireconway | June 17, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

F golf...

but my job, the ny hall of science is about open a cool mini golf course:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/science/16tier.html?_r=2

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else besides JM(auve)220 play golf?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 17, 2009 3:10 PM

JM(auve)...classic LH!

I used to play a lot...before marriage and kid. Now, not so much.

Posted by: 4-12 | June 17, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

lh, prolly both...

z, very interesting stats....I don't think there is any way the giants offense doesn't take a step back....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

you better bet the Skins are interested. the problem is Denver knows what DC offered for Cutler and would still probably want that for Marshall. Vinny and Dan get too excited on these things and over extend themselves every time. i still think we gave up too much for Portis with Champ and a 2nd.

I thought they should have been interested in a 1-year Plax contract as soon as NYGiants let him go.

Posted by: oknow1 | June 17, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the reply. What I am trying to determine is if there is any interest in an a-hole-free RI golf outing.

Sounds fun, but I would be doubly eliminated...1. not in DC, and 2 mos def an A-hole...

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Of course you consider Brandon Marshall. Problem is, we are loaded with WR's that no one else would want, and lack what Denver would ask for in a trade. Brandon Marshall would instantly be our # 1 WR, Moss would move to his more natural # 2 position, with Kelly, Thomas, and Williams. Its just too bad they restructured ARE this offseason thereby making it impossible to move him.

Posted by: RebuildingSince91 | June 17, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

F golf...

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 3:22 PM

F chRIs lArry. Even though that's implicitly understood up here, it's not said nearly enough...

Posted by: 4-12 | June 17, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm calling it now:

Brandon Marshall for Randel El, Kelley, and next year's 2nd rounder.

Posted by: Broman17 | June 17, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Can Marshall play OG or OT? If yes, then he's still a no.

If you sign Marshall then go ahead and sign Plaxico and Pacman and Vick as well. All good players but why would you invite trouble into your home?

Posted by: AsstGM | June 17, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Now I get why 1/3 of posts that Chris Larry does on Facebook have to do with the NY hall of science. I thought he was just creepy obsessed about museum goings.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

If you sign Marshall then go ahead and sign Plaxico and Pacman and Vick as well. All good players but why would you invite trouble into your home?

Posted by: AsstGM | June 17, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Very simple. Pacman and Vick are nowhere near top 5 at their respective position like Marshall. Plaxico shot himself in the leg, 'nuff said, and is older than Marshall.

Vinny's job is to field the best team with the best players, not win a boy scout competition. Marshall is head and shoulders better than any WR we have.

Posted by: RebuildingSince91 | June 17, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I haven't read RI in a little bit but holy crap what a difference with Jason LaIhatetheskins out of here. Pros vs. Cons? Not a one sided anti-Redskins post. Amazing.
Thank you Paul and all the new writers!

Posted by: sidkid31 | June 17, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Pls, lets not do the donkeys any more favors y taking their problems off of their hands. . .

can we let it stand at the CP/CB trade plus the pick that got us JC and got the donkeys the other JC (who we almost took off their hands as well)?

Please. . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | June 17, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Can Marshall play OG or OT? If yes, then he's still a no.

If you sign Marshall then go ahead and sign Plaxico and Pacman and Vick as well. All good players but why would you invite trouble into your home?

Posted by: AsstGM | June 17, 2009 3:32 PM
-----------------

Because he is a major need for a offense with a lack of star powered personnel. He's 25 making mistakes, not 3o something and acting like a troubled teenaged hoodlum.

Kelly is unproven, and without him, we have no true red zone threat...and then we are stuck with kicking 35 yard field goals...which still don't go in...

If we can get Marshall, I will make sure I get hammered at the Marshall-Skin union.

Posted by: Broman17 | June 17, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Sure, we still have the line problems, but as long as we don't part with next year's first we can fix that. The rumored asking price is a 1st and 3rd, hopefully we could knock that down to a 2nd/3rd, 2nd/player, etc. Give us marshall!

Posted by: brian58 | June 17, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Same comment as on Cutler: His numbers were inflated by the fact that Denver was playing 8th string running backs and had only one option – pass. If JC had the ball thrown to Santana 3 times more often their numbers would be astronomical as well.
Every time we talk about getting a big offensive play maker from a one dimensional team I fear a Geoff George outcome.

Posted by: VMIFury | June 17, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Everybody talks about the line problems. This is the NFL. Lineman are going to get beat, even the best. Our O-line is a top 10 rushing line. Yeah they may struggle in pass protection some times, but you gotta expect your QB to feel the rush and avoid it from time to time. Just look at Roethlisberger in the Super Bowl. Give JC a top flight WR like Marshall and he has NO excuse but to perform at a high level.

Posted by: RebuildingSince91 | June 17, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Same comment as on Cutler: His numbers were inflated by the fact that Denver was playing 8th string running backs and had only one option – pass. If JC had the ball thrown to Santana 3 times more often their numbers would be astronomical as well.
Every time we talk about getting a big offensive play maker from a one dimensional team I fear a Geoff George outcome.

Posted by: VMIFury | June 17, 2009 3:42 PM
--------------------

Santana Moss isn't over 6 feet tall. That usually helps. Expect a better season from Marshall: suddenly the Eddie Royal/Marshall tandem becomes Marshall/Moss tandem.

My mouth is already wattering

Posted by: Broman17 | June 17, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Same comment as on Cutler: His numbers were inflated by the fact that Denver was playing 8th string running backs and had only one option – pass.

Posted by: VMIFury | June 17, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse
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Oh really? I could make the argument that because the Broncos were so 1-dimensional as you suggest that Marshall should have dreadful numbers, because he's the only guy teams had to stop. B Marshall is the real deal, his numbers are NOT inflated, and if you can get him without giving up a 1st round pick somehow, you are crazy not to.

Posted by: RebuildingSince91 | June 17, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

but my job, the ny hall of science is about open a cool mini golf course:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/science/16tier.html?_r=2

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 3:22 PM

And you job there is what, CL -- caddy? groundskeeper? or are you the Pro?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

whatever Bill Murray's job was in Caddyshack...

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Groundskeeper and emphatic pest control

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 17, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Man, hell NO on Brandon Marshall.

I don't believe that every NFL player has to wear a halo, but the dude has some serious issues.

Putting your hands on a woman, regardless the circumstance is flat out wrong. Especially someone who can easily overpower a woman, like a football player.

He's proved to be very suspect off the field. He lied about an injury he sustained while wrestling with his brother.

So he beats up women and he's a liar.

No thanks, to both Marshall and Plax.
----------------------------------
"So what he should try and go to a nice homely city like Green Bay? Hate to say it but our town is regularly mocked for its lack of hot chicks."

Posted by: alex35332

Whaaaa?!?!?! No, no, no, my brother, you're looking in the wrong places.

The DMV has some of the finest ladies -- in the world. Every time I meet someone who isn't from around here, they're always amazed how many beautiful women are around the DC, MD, VA area.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

NFW

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | June 17, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Santana Moss isn't over 6 feet tall

Posted by: Broman17 | June 17, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse
I don't remember that being a problem for him in NY or when he was catching game winning bombs over pro bowl defenders. 'Tana ain't as abad an option as you all make him out to be. When healthy he's our second best offensive skill player next to portis. Jason just has to get him the ball. I like JC, but it's not coincidence that 'Tana's numbers have been sliding since JC took over. He has been knicked up a lil bit, but i can see him having a big year if JC progresses.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I am just repeating what I hear on the talk show Red.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I am just repeating what I hear on the talk show Red.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Moss is fine, love him....he just needs a legit WR on the other side to maximize his game.

The rub is we have had to force Moss to be our everyman at WR and that doesn't utlize his skills best and minimizes his value as a quick strike weapon.

You give Tana a gamer on the other wing and his number of catches decrease but his yards, average and TDs go up!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

The DMV has some of the finest ladies -- in the world. Every time I meet someone who isn't from around here, they're always amazed how many beautiful women are around the DC, MD, VA area.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 4:06 PM |

And one of the best places to convince yourself of the beauty of the women in the DMV area is the Howard University campus. I couldn't believe what I was seeing the first time I went through there.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

For those who think Mike Vick got a harsh sentence, sheck this kid out in the Miami area. Holy Crap.

Accused of killing 19 cats.
He could face a maximum of 158 years in state prison if convicted on all counts, Chavez said.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/17/florida.cat.killings/index.html

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 17, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Con -- He's another disgruntled receiver forcing himself out of an organization and is coming off offseason hip surgery. The Broncos' asking price could also be somewhere in the range of first- and third-round draft picks.

By Paul Tenorio | June 17, 2009; 1:16 PM ET

Yeah, and my asking price for my six-year-old Acura MDX is $45,000. Just askin'.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Santana is more often than not running by defenders to catch his "bombs"; not out leaping pro bowl defenders.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 17, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The way I see it, if we landed a receiver like Burress or Marshall, it would set up our roster perfectly for Jason Campbell. If the offensive line is healthy there would be no excuse for him to not produce. If he does not perform up to the level expected, Todd Collins will. I mean come on, all the pieces would be in place. You would think that any NFL-level quarterback would be able succeed with that supporting cast and that defense.

Posted by: eternale5150 | June 17, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Paul T:

"Is Marshall worth the negatives for the type of production he's had in the last two years?"

The Answer is yes.

The pieces in any NFL offense are all interconnected.

If there is a viable threat opposite S Moss in the form of B Marshall, a defense has to respect the entire field and not just roll its coverage to the Moss-Cooley side of the formation.

Obviously, then, a safety plays a little deeper, and one man missing from the box opens up the running game for Portis.

Marshall would allow Moss to play more slot, and work the middle of the field: can you imagine a corner trying to catch Moss on multiple crossing routes during a game?

So the guy wants to be paid: pay him what he wants, and attach your concerns regarding his behavio to his compensation.

We said 'no' to Cutler, but Moe thinks given the trouble in this town, perhaps we need to bring in the Marshall.

If we can add Prince Al and his troubles, we can add B Marshall and keep on moving.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

If you're a GM who is has a reputation of getting big name players, and you own a team that ranked in the bottom quarter of the NFL last season, you go out and do something about it.

Offensive lineman as said before get beat here and there regardless of premier ability. The line will be fine this year.

But gamebreaker young receivers that are on the trade block do not come often.

Posted by: Broman17 | June 17, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Same comment as on Cutler: His numbers were inflated by the fact that Denver was playing 8th string running backs and had only one option – pass. If JC had the ball thrown to Santana 3 times more often their numbers would be astronomical as well.
Every time we talk about getting a big offensive play maker from a one dimensional team I fear a Geoff George outcome.

Posted by: VMIFury

I'm not buying that Cutler's numbers were inflated due to the system they were in. if anything it's an indicator of just how good he was in that system.

If I knew what you were going to do, and I still couldn't stop it, what would that say about you and your ability and skills?

You'd be something like a beast, right? Well so was Cutler -- in Denver.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Cat killer kid looks creepy, like my gf's 18 year old nephew... long neck

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"The DMV has some of the finest ladies -- in the world. Every time I meet someone who isn't from around here, they're always amazed how many beautiful women are around the DC, MD, VA area. Posted by: RedDMV"

Atlanta's the town that blew me away. Went to a Braves' game and started thinking, "this is a setup -- they must be filming a reality show. America's Next Top Cheerleader or something."

On the other hand, the hotel concierge warned me about walking to the stadium. "It's kind of a bad neighborhood," he explained. I walked anyway and when I got back to the hotel I took the guy aside. "You come to DC," I told him. "I'll show you a bad neighborhood."

Posted by: Samson151 | June 17, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"Accused of killing 19 cats. He could face a maximum of 158 years in state prison if convicted on all counts."

158 years for killing cats?

Only in Miami.

They probably had a jury made up of people from the Carribean that thought the death of so many cats was a waste of good food.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

DC Ranks in the top 3 of finest 'Urban' Women. Which is where the confusion probably stems from........

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

alex, what talk show was this? do they have a call-in number? if they do, I'ma call 'em and put 'em on, 'casue they clearly don't know.

t_e, you were chick-struck when you went on HU campus, huh? no offense, but I'm sort of LMAO at the fact that you'd be there, hopefully you'd got your fill, bruh. but true indeed, HU has flocks of women just walking around.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

i don't know the number of starting CBs in the league are over 6ft but i have seen santana go up and get passes. The real issue is that a high pass is usually a bad pass with JC and Tana. JC is missing tana with the high passes, either that or the skins are scheming jump ball situations with their shortest wr(not impossible). JC has to be more accurate this year, and we need a healthy tana to really gauge his worth.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Now back to Marshall. Denver won't get a 1 and a 3. But they'll get something clos in value to a 1st and a 5th....

Marshall won't get a $9Mil/year contract because of his baggage. And if he does, then hardly any of it will be gaurenteed..... I see him getting a $7Mil/yr contract, though.....

I would take him, but that girlfriend beating thing is a big hangup. Hopefully that remorse he has been showing is real and not another 'I'm a Clebrity, Get ME Out of Here' show.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Put together a package of a future 3rd round pick, a couple expiring contracts, and maybe a young talent or two (Keith Eloi?) for Brandon Marshall. Gruntle him by giving him a long extension, filled with incentives. Then make sure to develop Thomas and Kelly into pro-bowl players, and we'll have the greatest receiving corp ever made. We'll be the only team to ever run a 5 WR, 1 TE set. If Snyder doesn't get this done, he's an idiot.

Posted by: psps23 | June 17, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

If we can add Prince Al and his troubles, we can add B Marshall and keep on moving.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Different types of troubles:

1)onfield vs. off the field
2)Moving Violation vs. domestic beef

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

What a crap way to go to prison. Kid is 18, pulling some Hannibal Lecter stuff on neighborhood cats.

Kid does look like he is a bit twisted in the head.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 17, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Marshall would fit in though considering his native american heritage.

Tribal Affilliation: Slapahoe

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 4:36 PM

That's one of those ones when you know it is wrong, but you can't stop laughing!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but they just let the cat killer go on bond because they deemed that he was not a threat to anyone or himself.

I GURANTEE THAT HE DOES NO TIME AND GETS PROBATION.

NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS RACIAL BUT WHITE TEENAGERR KILLING CATS IS NOT AS BAD A A BLACK MILLIONAIRE ATHLETE KILLINGS DOGS.

JUST SAYIN

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

no offense, but I'm sort of LMAO at the fact that you'd be there, hopefully you'd got your fill, bruh. but true indeed, HU has flocks of women just walking around.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 4:29 PM |

No offense taken -- you're right. I looked and I felt out of place in more ways than one. But, wow.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I'll take that bet, and say he gets more time than Vick. Odds are he doesnt have money like Vick to buy his way out early.

He is out on bond, but he does have the human collar on to track him.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 17, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

had ta doit

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but they just let the cat killer go on bond because they deemed that he was not a threat to anyone or himself.

I GURANTEE THAT HE DOES NO TIME AND GETS PROBATION.

NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS RACIAL BUT WHITE TEENAGERR KILLING CATS IS NOT AS BAD A A BLACK MILLIONAIRE ATHLETE KILLINGS DOGS.

JUST SAYIN

Posted by: GreatOne1

Told from the general public's perspective. You sir, are right on though.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 17, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or is he smirking in his police photo? If he did it, the next step was bigger prey.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 17, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS RACIAL

right......how about we let this one play out in the courts, and see what comes of it....I'm with gator, this cat, no pun intended, is gonna do time, I'd venture to guess...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

If he did it, the next step was bigger prey.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 17, 2009 4:44 PM

Straight out of the seen from the last Halloween movie. Exact same.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

was the kid killing other people's cats(property) or his own cats(property). I think that should be the distinction when comparing potential punishments.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't give higher than a 3rd round pick.

Posted by: BT23 | June 17, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

They were other people's cats...killing pets in the hood...

Almost all serial killer/psychos start with violence to animals. Its like a gateway drug to some sick SJK.

The difference with Vick and why these situations are not analogous is one kid is basically on a fast track to some bigger crimes even though the crime they caught is lesser, while Vick it really was more the organized crime element: gambling, profit, organization, cross state lines, the related infrastructure of equipment...sick maybe...but more in with an intent to break the law in a grand, premediated scale.....What Vick did was like running a Meth Lab.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

A 3rd rounder for the cat killer kid? Too high, 5th round max.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 17, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Ok, read the article.

If they find actual proof he entered anyone's residence, he'll get a breaking and entering charge only. It doesn't look like they have a solid case as to who actually killed the cats.

He'll do 3-6 months, tops, if he gets convicted, which may or may not be unlikely depending on how rich his parents are......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

zacly cl, vick wasn't just killing dogs. There was something much bigger going on.

this kid is just killing/mutilating for the sake of killing/mutilating....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 17, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

BEANTOWN just for the sake of argument, why should we let it play out in court, when superstar athletes and celebrities get in trouble they are tried in the court of public opinion so why should it be different for everyday people.

I say guilty and that he is a future serial killer.

and I know this because I was off yesterday and watched a marathon on Law and Order SVU so that pretty much makes me an expert.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 17, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

who cares if he is worth the risk...he is the sexy tradebait that Danny and Vinnie covet...

lets just trade campbell and whomever else and get this premadonna in here!!! you can never have enough of those personalities on the team...

but in all seriousness...fagetaboutit!!!

lets talk about something else...

Posted by: deadskin | June 17, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"Tribal Affilliation: Slapahoe"

The author of this joke deserves all kinds of props.

I haven't laughed all day--until now.

Thanks, kind sir, for helping an old man giggle his way before dinner, some farting, and Wheel of Fortune.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

was the kid killing other people's cats(property) or his own cats(property). I think that should be the distinction when comparing potential punishments.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse


He has cats, but was killing other people's cats.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 17, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"Almost all serial killer/psychos start with violence to animals. Its like a gateway drug to some sick SJK."

Yes, but that's pretty influenced by culture too. A shrink friend of mine was interviewing a teenager and asked him if he'd ever harmed animals. The kid thought about it. "You including chickens?" he wanted to know. "Cuz sometimes none of us has a basketball, so we tear the head off a chicken and use it for the ball."

That was an Eastern Shore kids.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 17, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Santana Moss is the team's most important player.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

A third rounder?

For Marshall?

Sure.

Anything.

Just get him in camp.

Look at this receiver group:

S Moss
B Marshall
R Williams
A Randle El
D Thomas/Kelly?

This is what I'd like to see come Labor Day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 17, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

A shrink friend of mine was interviewing a teenager and asked him if he'd ever harmed animals. The kid thought about it. "You including chickens?" he wanted to know. "Cuz sometimes none of us has a basketball, so we tear the head off a chicken and use it for the ball."

That was an Eastern Shore kids.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 17, 2009 5:01 PM

And that Eastern Shore kid had a good laugh with his friends when he told them this story. "You won't believe what those Western Shore idiot doctors will fall for...."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

BEANTOWN just for the sake of argument, why should we let it play out in court, when superstar athletes and celebrities get in trouble they are tried in the court of public opinion so why should it be different for everyday people.

I say guilty and that he is a future serial killer.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 17, 2009 4:57 PM |

Because if you don't wait for the trial, you're a prejudiced bigot who will condemn a person based on media slander before he has any of the facts.

This is the way it went down for the Duke lacrosse team who were tried in the media based on a blatant lie. And, those were white guys, not black guys. And they were affluent, not poor. So prejudice can get anyone, not just blacks, not just poor.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The wheel is ok sometimes Moe

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

My point to take it even further would be that those duke players and others that look like them get the benefit of the doubt.

example: did you ever wonder why the holocaust musuem shooter gets so much coverage. when a white person kills someone or people there are stories of what drove them to commit this crime, but when you have minorities commit crimes there are no stories of what drove them there it is reported as this is what they do. I am man enough to admit that there is a racial bias that exist just like lower class people are gangsters and thugs and other people who will remain nameless are organized crime families.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 17, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

So the kid has his own cats, but killed other people's cats? were the cats realted? did they share any habits, sexual or otherwise? CSI would be all over this. Check the listings in the kid's hometown for upcoming cat pageants and we may find motive.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Just say no to B Marshall. First, he's not trustworthy and has proven he will not honor a contract. Second, he wants way more money than the Skins can afford to spend this year (less than 4mil under the cap with rookies yet to sign). And third no WR is worth a 1st and 3rd draft pick + plus approximately 1/10 of the total team salary cap.

Posted by: siris | June 17, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

great one!

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Greatone1,

While I have overall sympathy to your thesis you are picking some extremely bad examples on which to stake your case.....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

And third no WR is worth a 1st and 3rd draft pick + plus approximately 1/10 of the total team salary cap.
Posted by: siris | June 17, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse
3rd wr? see we get all hung up with santana not being tall enough,jc not being accurate( i said that earlier) but ARE gets away with stealing money year in and year out. It must be the religious thing or something cuz i can't remember a td in the return game ever, maybe 1 and his work as the no. 2 wr is below avg. ARE can go out to denver with the 3rd round pick in my opinion.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"example: did you ever wonder why the holocaust musuem shooter gets so much coverage."

b/c it was an act of domestic terrorism carried out by an individual with a long tie and track record to organized hate groups carried out on a non-profit long targeted and threatened by extreme hate groups?

Nah can't be....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 17, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse


What does Vinny and Dan think?

I vote the other way.

Posted by: TheCork | June 17, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

sorry siris i get a lil dyslexic from time to time thought you said "...no third wr" not "third no WR '

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh, also, Marshall or Burress would be a quick fix.

How'd that quick fix work out at DE last year?

Posted by: TheCork | June 17, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Two thumbs down on Marshall. If it were Wilbur, I'd say yes, but not to this guy.

Posted by: john24 | June 17, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

As to the coverage of various murders, (or coverage of anything) you've got the old "man bites dog" theory. When something is part of the norm, there isn't a lot of follow up. "Yup, the sun came up today, not a lot of news there"

When it's a dramatic crime, or when the guy next door goes off, kills his cats, his family, the mailman and the convenience store clerk down the road, and everyone's saying "he was such a nice, quiet man", that's when you get your coverage.

Not saying it's right...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 17, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"Antwaan Randle El has been a good, if not spectacular, producer since coming to the Redskins"

-GOOD, IF NOT SPECTACULAR? I WOULD SAY ADEQUATE AT BEST AND A DETRIMENT ON SPECIAL TEAMS

Posted by: WheresRickySanders | June 17, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Boldin...

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | June 17, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

No way, no how, no thanks. Please Danny, don't do it.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | June 17, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

"And that Eastern Shore kid had a good laugh with his friends when he told them this story. "You won't believe what those Western Shore idiot doctors will fall for...." Posted by: talent_evaluator"

I'll have you know that was an Eastern Shore idiot doctor... born and bred.


Posted by: Samson151 | June 17, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Great1,
What are you arguing? Those Duke payers didn't get the benefit of the doubt, they got lawyers, good ones. They were as good as convicted, but their parents had some money, hired good council and the DA was exposed as a grandstanding scumbag and the case fell apart. Had they not been white kids with money it might have gone completely different, I believe one of the players, to his credit, said the same thing.
And the holocaust museum shooting? You think that got media play because it was a white dude? I think it got covered because an octogenarian bigot planned on going on a terrorist-style shooting spree in a museum in DC. That doesn't happen every day, so it's kinda newsworthy.

Posted by: mack1 | June 17, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"Santana Moss is the team's most important player. Posted by: zcezcest1"

Why?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 17, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

For the record it would not bother my to get Marshall as a player or a character other than the fact that he likely will be suspended the first 4 games of the season. I don't see it happening because we ar already overloaded at WR albeit unproven. Who do you cut? You just signed a few guys with some plus side, you gotta keep the draft pick, you can't give up on Thomas or Kelley or last years draft is an official bust. You could try trading one of them and Davis or Randle El for him, but then you have to sign him. He wants a lot more than Santana is getting. When we got Santana I thought he was a punk and I was against it 100%. I was 100% wrong and just spent $269 at the stadium store for an official Moss jersey. I don't see this one being worth the circus, plus I really do think we will get 60-70 catches and 5-6 TD out of Thomas and Kelley this year, combined of course. Add Santana, Cooley and ARE and you could have a respectable passing game to compliment Portis and Mason (yes I said it! LOL).

Posted by: dbrine1261 | June 17, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

mack1--

If they hadn't been white kids with money, they never would have been charged. There was a scumbag, lowlife prostitute who thought she could get rich off them. The whole thing was about race and class -- Duke University faculty and students, the prosecutor, and the accuser never would have bothered with the lacrosse team if they hadn't been affluent white kids.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Actually you could probably get a deal by offering Kelley, Betts, and Davis. Yo uwould dump a bunch of salary to make the new Marshall contract a bit easier, but like I said before, he will probably be suspended for 4 games and he is asking a lot of dough.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | June 17, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

"Santana Moss is the team's most important player. Posted by: zcezcest1"

Why?

Posted by: Samson151

Because without him, we essentially have no passing game. The drop-off from Moss to anyone who would replace him is massive.

Moss has incredible speed and quickness. He is among the top 10 WRs in the league, when healthy (which he was for the 1st 8 games -- then he tweaked his hammy).

Without him, our 3 wide out formations in 2008 would have been Devin Thomas, ARE and Thrash. Under 800 receiving yards combined!!! None of these guys were even a legit #2.

If we had to operate with that WR corp, teams could single cover every receiver, blitz without fear and stack the box to stop the run.

Moss had 6 TD catches -- Cooley + ARE + Thrash + Thomas had a total of 6 TD catches.

Moss is a real threat, the only match-up that represents a problem for other teams.

Moss is our most important player, in part because he is very good, but also because of the unique role he plays and the terrible quality of the rest of the WRs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

T_E,
The stripper wanted to get paid, the prosecutor wanted win an election and the university wanted to slam those spoiled pricks on the lacrosse team. Problem was, they didn't do it and they had enough $ to hire good lawyer and prove it. My point is that's not a good example of one segment of society getting away with something as Great1 seemed to suggest. You have to do something to get away with it. And you're right, it was about race and class. It usually is in this country. And those player were lucky enough to be born into a class that rarely goes to prison when innocent.

Posted by: mack1 | June 17, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Just got back from meeting jason Campbell here in Central Florida.

I asked him about how rodell williams was playing. He said he will def. help us and then Jason said to me and I quote...."Look out for Devin thomas...he is flat out beastin and our secret weapon at this point"

thought i'd pass that along to my Skins nation....

Posted by: leevi98 | June 17, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/106853-hasselbeck-plaxicos-a-disaster?cnn=yes

Tim Hasselbeck, a former backup quarterback for the Giants, said on ESPN's NFL Live yesterday that teams -- including the Jets -- would be wise to refrain from signing his former teammate Plaxico Burress. "When you're looking at Plaxico Burress, there's no doubt that he can be a dominant receiver at times on Sundays," Hasselbeck said. "We've seen it. But with that being said, I played with the guy. I was in the locker room with him for two years. He's a disaster as a teammate. He's a disaster as a guy that you have to coach."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I think the Browns would part with Braylon Edwards - maybe we could make a decent offer to the Cards, Browns, and Broncos and see which team blinks

Posted by: coparker5 | June 17, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedCherokee | June 17, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't see this happening. I have a feeling Snyder is going to remember how the Cutler thing went down and there might not be any activity with Denver for awhile. Besides, Marshall has issues off the field and he's one blowout away from being suspended. There's no question he has the ability to be an elite receiver, but he's also coming off injury. Just not worth it. I think the team needs to make a commitment to the players currently on the roster and let the best guys win in camp. There's a lot of potential there and if only one of these guys rises to his potential they will be in great shape.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 17, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Just got back from meeting jason Campbell here in Central Florida.

I asked him about how rodell williams was playing. He said he will def. help us and then Jason said to me and I quote...."Look out for Devin thomas...he is flat out beastin and our secret weapon at this point"

thought i'd pass that along to my Skins nation....

Posted by: leevi98 | June 17, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I reposted this because people are so worried about the WRs....accodring to Campbell...Thomas has been balling so far this year and the most improved player according to him....As I said...Jason quote to me was Thomas is "beastin" and under the radar.....JC is the one who brought this up after I asked about Rodell Williams.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 17, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

great post!thx for the wr info + campbell convo. I think thomas has a lot of talent and potential. For him it's all about getting on the field. He showed great explosiveness and breakaway ability on the reverse last year and had a deep ball td called back when heyer laid out darnell dockett for hitting portis late.

I think he will challenge ARE this year, he's got the speed and quickness to make a difference after the catch that i think ARE lacks . It should be interesting to watch the wr battle develop b/c kelley is still an unknown so far as game action, and the rookies are said to be "impressive".

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Jason quote to me was Thomas is "beastin" and under the radar.....JC is the one who brought this up after I asked about Rodell Williams.

Posted by: leevi98 | June 17, 2009 8:05 PM

Leevi, Thanks for posting and reposting. Good news to all of us. We've invested a lot of Monet in Thomas, so his beastin' is not a mute point.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

NO F'IN WAY WE NEED TO SIGN EITHER ONE!! Roydell will be the #2. 1 of the 2 under achievers will catch 40-45 balls this year.

We signed two last year and we need to live w/ it for once! Soups is going to be better in this system. Santana won't drop so many crucial balls this year either!!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | June 17, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Denver owns Snyder on trades. NO!!!

If a #2 emerges, ARE goes to the slot, Moss gets free, Cooley is freed in the zone, and Campbell looks decent.

To me, the Redskins coming season is all about the offense finding a #2 WR.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | June 17, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"Santana Moss is the team's most important player. Posted by: zcezcest1"

Well-argued, but more important than say, London Fletcher? Jason Campbell?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 17, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

He'll be here November 15th when we beat Denver!!! CHEMISTRY.....Don't interfere with it!!!!

Posted by: black42 | June 17, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I'd say the team's performance hinges on Jason Campbell's play more than any ohter player on the team. It's always gonna be about him getting it done or not getting it done, whether it's b/c of a bum line, lack of a running game or less than average wr play it's all about Campbell. Unless they skins start putting up 40 a game and the d just gives up 41, i don't see people easing up on JC.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 17, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

If it hasn't been said already...please don't murder me.....

Posted by: gre28man72 | June 17, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I heard James Trash is available....

Posted by: gre28man72 | June 17, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Is Marko Mitchell an Idiot????

Posted by: gre28man72 | June 17, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

If a #2 emerges, ARE goes to the slot, Moss gets free, Cooley is freed in the zone, and Campbell looks decent.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | June 17, 2009 8:59 PM |

And everyone will think that Vinny is just about the greatest GM in the league!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 17, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Is Marko Mitchell an Idiot????

Posted by: gre28man72 | June 17, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse


lol. I know why you said that.

Posted by: Vicc | June 17, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm calling it now:

Brandon Marshall for Randel El, Kelley, and next year's 2nd rounder.

Posted by: Broman17 | June 17, 2009 3:31 PM

I would have made that trade for pre-gunshot Burress. But such a deal could never happen now ... ARE will be trade for a small bag of magic beans.

Also on the cat killer, mistreatment of animals by a kid is an easy tell the kid is being abused at home. That much is Psychology 101 for Education majors.

Posted by: dcsween | June 17, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

If a #2 emerges, ARE goes to the slot, Moss gets free, Cooley is freed in the zone, and Campbell looks decent.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | June 17, 2009 8:59 PM |

What this team needs is some powerful Ex-Lax ... that will cause a #2 to emerge.

Posted by: dcsween | June 17, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

"Santana Moss is the team's most important player. Posted by: zcezcest1"

Well-argued, but more important than say, London Fletcher? Jason Campbell?

Posted by: Samson151

Fletcher is probably the 2nd most important player on the team. We're not deep at LB, so anyone trying to fill-in for Fletcher is a huge drop-off. Still, even if Fletcher is out, the secondary is still very good and Albert is up front. The defense won't be a disaster without Fletcher.

I'm definitely a pro-Campbell sort, but Collins is a very good back-up, so I don't see a massive drop-off in ability there. At least not like the drop-off between Moss and Devin Thomas.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

There is no way Brandon Marshall is worth 90% of Larry Fitzgerald. He's not 90% of the stud that split the Steel Curtain for a go-ahead touchdown late in the Superbowl.

Posted by: agupta1 | June 17, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

"Santana Moss is the team's most important player. Posted by: zcezcest1"

Well-argued, but more important than say, London Fletcher? Jason Campbell?

Posted by: Samson151

Fletcher is probably the 2nd most important player on the team. We're not deep at LB, so anyone trying to fill-in for Fletcher is a huge drop-off. Still, even if Fletcher is out, the secondary is still very good and Albert is up front. The defense won't be a disaster without Fletcher.

I'm definitely a pro-Campbell sort, but Collins is a very good back-up, so I don't see a massive drop-off in ability there. At least not like the drop-off between Moss and Devin Thomas.

Posted by: zcezcest1

--------------------------

I'd go:

(1) Chris Samuels

(2) Santana Moss

(3) Jason Campbell

(4) London Fletcher

Posted by: psps23 | June 18, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell, our starting quarterback, is the most important player on the team, in my opinion, because that's just the way the game is now. The QB position matters too doggone much. I see the arguments for the dudes at other positions, and I agree that they are both important and very difficult to replace from this roster, but this NFL is about quarterbacks.

(Old School would remind me that it's about "quarterbacks and head coaches." But he's been awfully quiet of late.)

And I'm increasingly convinced that in the terms of this discussion Albert Haynesworth is the second-most-important player on the team.

The plan was to have Albert dramatically improve a defense that was already -- statistically at least -- in the top five or six in the league, right?

So I think almost as much is on Stompy's shoulders this fall as on Campbell's.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 18, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

psps -- just to refine the point, its most important, not best. Moss is more important because if he goes down, look at the WRs we would put on the field.

Fletcher is a better player than Moss, and so is Samuels. But the depth behind Moss is scary bad (but probably better than in 2008!).

I don't see Campbell as making the 'most important list' in 2009, simply because we have a very competent backup at QB.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Ookay,
New topics:

2) Haynesworth will be a big factor in the success of the Defense this year, but I don't think he'll put up the gaudy statistics that will keep the fans and media happy. One reason is because the teams in the NFC East generally play a more physical game than other divisions. How many games before the media or fans start calling him out for that big pay check or saying he's taking plays off? (and yes, I know people are already calling him out on that pay check)

$) Gibbs toyed briefly with a two back offense, remember when Portis and Betts were going to share time at RB. Should Zorn implement a similar approach to help extend Portis' career? Or should we just let Portis rule the roost until he is completely cooked?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

But isn't Collins the system QB for an OC that is gone?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

First, get a left tackle of the same caliber as Samuels in case he needs to slide right due to his age and recent spate of injuries.

Then think about Marshall.

Posted by: periculum | June 18, 2009 1:13 AM | Report abuse

I hope Haynesworth doesn't have gaudy statistics. It will surely mean the other teams will be focused on him and not on the other pass rushers like Orapko, Carter and La Ron Landry on the blitz. I expect those three plus Haynesworth to generate a pretty decent pass rush.

Two back offense? They should definitely play Betts more ...

Posted by: periculum | June 18, 2009 1:18 AM | Report abuse

NO F'N WAY, let this clown look at himself in the mirror (and God forbid his girlfreind interupt)and go on his merry way. I don't care if they want a 6th rounder, he is worth nothing. Please Danny stick to the plan, youth can truly suck one day and be great the next. Who ever thought the smurf's would amount to anything? Look we analyze, scrutinize and hypothosize these players left and right, up and down, over and over, then quit on them if they aren't superstars from day one. Give me a break how many kids come out of college and light up the leaue? I'll tell you less than none, stick to the damn plan. These guys might not all end up good but some will. You damn near blew it with Campbell let the dying dog lie, we weren't that far away last year screw the doom and gloom crowd, with Haynesworth and a little line help we shall all see, and Jasno if you can't say something nice *****well you wouldn't have a job. Remember Brave's on the warpath are young and some don't make it, but others end up hero's & chiefs. Go Jason, Go Rev, Go Tino, Go El, Go Cooooooooooly, Go DEFENSE, Goes Redskins, there is some serious a-kickin coming the NFC east's way, you can't buy it anymore without givin' it away so stay the course, it's always worked before. Patience, hard work and a little guidence from the Zornmeister is all we need, See you in January, oops that's now Febuary(or March? save that for anotherdiscussion)have faithand stick with the men WE ARE THE REDSKINS AND wE ARE BACK

Posted by: mfowler1 | June 18, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

"Fletcher is a better player than Moss, and so is Samuels. But the depth behind Moss is scary bad (but probably better than in 2008!)."

And I'd argue that the depth behind Samuels is worse....far worse. Little uttered fact; in the first half of the season, we had a top 10 offense. I'm not making that up. When Samuels got hurt, everything fell apart. I don't think it was a coincidence. The passing game dipped significantly, but even more steep was the drop-off from Portis who went from legitimate favorite to win the MVP to arguably the worst stretch of his entire career.

Granted, the drop-off from Moss is steep. But Samuels anchors the entire line, is the lead blocker for Portis' preferred running side, and protects Campbell's blind side on every passing down (including against Ware, Umenyiora, and Cole 6 times a year). If this team loses Samuels, it doesn't make a difference whether or not Portis, Moss, or Campbell are healthy. Every one of their performances will dip, significantly. When he's in and healthy, this line is actually, for lack of a better term, good. When he's out, they're one of the worst units in the league. And that's why he gets vote #1.

Posted by: psps23 | June 18, 2009 1:32 AM | Report abuse

I've favored the start Portis 12 games and Betts in 4 games approach. Portis is too physical a back to be the feature guy 16 games, year after year. And Betts is competent. Plus, Portis is a classic December back, I'd rather have him strong for the final month.

On the Albert thing. He is a perfect fit for this team in the NFC East. Every other team has a strong run game. With the middle of the line off limits, it means our division rivals have to take out a major piece of their offense out of the playbook. Seriously, who is going to run anywhere near Albert, with Fletcher right behind him?

Plus, Albert will make our blitzing more effective. I don't see gaudy stats for Albert. I'm not a huge fan of his signing (too many other needs could have been addressed for that kind of money). But he is a great talent playing in a position where his impact will be great.

Now, if we'd only drafted Curry ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse

psps -- Samuels went down in game 12(?) vs the Ravens. The line fell apart in game 9 vs Pittsburgh and never recovered.

If I ranked guys behind Moss in terms of importance, I think its probably a toss-up between Samuels and Fletcher.

One other point, often overlooked, is that Moss got hurt in game 8. Lots of things went wrong in the second half -- Moss was clearly not as quick in the second half of the year either.

Lastly, and this is a key point you brought up, with a healthy OL this is a good offense.

Not sure why so many people blame Campbell for the drop-off when he had mediocre WRs (a hurting Moss isn't a major threat), very little pass protection, not much of a run game and not the best play calling.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 1:51 AM | Report abuse

...should have picked-up Priest-Holmes a few years back too. We could have had him for vet minimum and would be better than Curry defensively and probably picked-up more yards than Portis.


Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

mfowler1,

Right on!

Nice to see some blind, unbridled passion so deep in the nether-season.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 1:57 AM | Report abuse

"Samuels went down in game 12(?) vs the Ravens. The line fell apart in game 9 vs Pittsburgh and never recovered."

He hurt his knee in week 7 (the same knee he needed to have surgically repaired) was out for week 8 for Detroit, then returned in week 9. From week 9 on, the line was god-awful. The only reason it didn't seem that way against Detroit is because they were literally the worst team of all-time. And by saying going "down" for Samuels, that's what I meant. As soon as he was significantly hobbled, it was over.

Posted by: psps23 | June 18, 2009 2:05 AM | Report abuse

But I do agree that Moss is vital to this offense.

Posted by: psps23 | June 18, 2009 2:09 AM | Report abuse

More so than in recent years we have some reason to be optimistic.

*) I do believe that some pass catchers will emerge this season. There are enough options to make the offense work.

Y) The defense should be better than last year and last years D was very good.

14) The offensive line will be younger and have more talent.

B) We have a punter named Hunter.

...all is right with the world.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 2:34 AM | Report abuse

that was awful...way to state every obvious fact related to this story and NOT mention Marshall's age, size, or anything regarding his potential to be a top 3 WR in the NFL...give Jason Reid his job already

Posted by: ncoxx002 | June 18, 2009 2:50 AM | Report abuse

ncoxx002,

So should we put you down for Marshall or Buress?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 2:56 AM | Report abuse

For heavens sake, DON'T sign Brandon Marshall. Do you know who Denver has replaced him with? ... Brandon Lloyd, that monumental bust of a slug who showed NOTHING here in DC but a clothing product line. If the Broncos find him an acceptable replacement for Marshall then Marshall must not be worth crap!!

Posted by: pd2710 | June 18, 2009 2:57 AM | Report abuse

They signed Lloyd as a stop-gap measure, not a replacement. So if they're forced to trade Marshall or if Marshall doesn't show up for camp, they have another warm body pretending to be a Receiver, The.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 3:03 AM | Report abuse

This team should be marginally better than last year. Albert is a huge upgrade in an area that really matters. Hunter should also help us. Campbell should be improved and the secondary should be better as Horton and Landry are both young and still improving.

Dock is roughly the same as Kendall. Moss and ARE are both still in their prime years and its very possible to have a major leap forward in the #3 WR.

The only starting unit on this team may have gotten worse is along the OL, with several question marks (guys returning from injuries, depth, age, etc).

Significant talent left the building in Jason Taylor, Demetric Evans, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs and John Jansen. However, that talent had issues in 2008 (except Evans). There isn't an every down player in that group. While letting these guys go was the right thing to do, we'll have less depth. Only Evans delivered real value for his paycheck.

Lastly, I think we're good at RB. Portis is still young. But I'm also concerned since he's put on a lot of miles for someone his age.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 3:38 AM | Report abuse

Continuous re-building is the name of the game, you have to start thinking about rebuilding that OL (Samuels, Rabach), and replacing people like Fletcher, Portis, and Moss.

Preferably through the draft.


Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 4:13 AM | Report abuse

You have to have a decent QB and a line who can protect him before a miscreant like Marshall becomes a value. And for a first and third ... forget it. Save the picks and get linemen in the draft.

I've said this a million times, the team will never be any good until lil'Danny Snyder and his sidekick vinny are gone. We need to take up a collection to buy the team and leave oversight of the team to a General Manager.

Posted by: tkoho | June 18, 2009 5:19 AM | Report abuse

okay,
who's wakin up on the east coast and just can't help checking out the blog?

Have mercy on our football lovin souls.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 5:34 AM | Report abuse

With all the hype about the front office you have to thnk they do want to win. So it begs the question why is the front office not pursuing Marshall, Edwards or Buress? Maybe they are thinking the young guys will come on? For years the criticism has been why don't the Redskins develop young players like the Giants and Patriots. Maybe they are giving that idea a shot?

Posted by: chtraywick | June 18, 2009 6:12 AM | Report abuse

Here's the REAL Pros and Cons of Brandon Marshall:

Pro: His legal problems aren't the Redskins problem.

Con: Signing him.

That is all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Sign him, no freakin' criminals in this town anyway..

Posted by: frak | June 18, 2009 6:27 AM | Report abuse

I think we're good at RB. Portis is still young. But I'm also concerned since he's put on a lot of miles for someone his age.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 3:38 AM

Yeah, he's young on his birth certificate but his legs say otherwise. His only hope at being effective past Week 7 is if Zorn uses him like Denver used him his first two years. But they don't have the line to play like that and I don't trust anyone in that organization to use their players properly.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 6:29 AM | Report abuse

No,not worth first and third round picks.They need those picks to repair an aging offensive line.They have too much invested in those 2 young receivers to give up this quick anyway.If they would draft better they wouldn't have a problem.They could have had eddie royal in the second round the year they took Kelly and Thomas.

Posted by: ttribbett | June 18, 2009 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Let's take him and Buress this way Dan can't mess up lol
The problem i notice about Skins recievers is they had problem getting seperation last year.
Say what you want about head cases, i know these guys know how to get seperation.

Posted by: shamken | June 18, 2009 6:42 AM | Report abuse

I don't trust anyone in that organization to use their players properly.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 6:29 AM |

Haven't even gotten to training camp and already they've used two of their players properly: Jansen, Thrash.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Haven't even gotten to training camp and already they've used two of their players properly: Jansen, Thrash.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 6:52 AM

Funny...I've already stated my case on those cuts. I'm for those cuts ONLY when there's someone as good or better to replace them. Thrash was more injury related so I can live with that, but as shaky as Jansen was last year he was still the best RT the Skins have. I hope someone steps up but I would have felt better seeing someone beat Jansen out in training camp and THEN cut him instead of banking on a guy who's been out of the game for 3 years and struggling to stay under 400 lbs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

No to Plax, no to Brandon, no to Bolden.
We have solid defense, lets roll with what we have; Moss, El, Kelly and Thomas.
Marko and whomever the coaches deem fit is good enough is welcome. Unnecessary acquisition of disgruntled player seeking high price contract and costing multiple draft picks doesn't make sense to me. I still believe we need one more offensive lines man not another receiver.

Posted by: abxinc | June 18, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Moss and ARE are both still in their prime years and its very possible to have a major leap forward in the #3 WR.

Posted by: zcezcest1 ****

ARE is not a #2 WR. He should be replaced by DT(if DT has improved)and moved to #3.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | June 18, 2009 7:17 AM | Report abuse

with marshall here it would give JC another receiver to throw the ball at his feet or to a defender in the red zone.

Posted by: rls1041 | June 18, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

brownwood,

I thought from the way that Zorn talked when they released Jansen that Heyer and Jeremy Bridges had both beaten Jansen out in OTAs. I don't think Zorn is counting on Williams for anything. If they get something out of him, it will be manna from heaven. Or manna from Austin, which some folks think is the same place.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

with marshall here it would give JC another receiver to throw the ball at his feet or to a defender in the red zone.

Posted by: rls1041 | June 18, 2009 7:32 AM

I don't know what you were watching in 2008, but I didn't see JC do any of that. In fact, I'm still waiting for them to get a red zone possession...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

No trade - the only way for the Redskins to move forward is to patiently build a younger team through the draft.

FA's should be signed judiciously but hording draft picks is the only real way to build a dynasty.

Posted by: ds5371 | June 18, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

I thought from the way that Zorn talked when they released Jansen that Heyer and Jeremy Bridges had both beaten Jansen out in OTAs. I don't think Zorn is counting on Williams for anything. If they get something out of him, it will be manna from heaven. Or manna from Austin, which some folks think is the same place.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 7:36 AM

I don't know T_E...I thought Bridges was a guard. I still think with the current state of the O-line, you need the depth. Words can't describe how pissed I'll be if Jansen rebounds nicely for Detroit and we're stuck with Heyer getting mauled.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Brown I don't remember Heyer getting mauled. However, I do remeber Jansen getting the a** handed to him week in and week out. I for one am happy he is out of the picture. Wish him all the best with the Lions.

Posted by: jm220 | June 18, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

He's a problem child AND he's injured - why waste the money...?!

Posted by: SkinsFANatic | June 18, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Brown I don't remember Heyer getting mauled. However, I do remeber Jansen getting the a** handed to him week in and week out. I for one am happy he is out of the picture. Wish him all the best with the Lions.

Posted by: jm220 | June 18, 2009 7:55 AM

All I remember is that Heyer couldn't get back on the field. And if he couldn't beat Jansen then I don't see why all of a sudden he's the answer now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Begrudgingly, I would say that Clinton Portis is the best player on the team. He took over games last year when Campbell couldn't complete a pass. Granted, his production slipped at the end of the year, but isn't that when the team lost? Portis is getting older, and Campbell could be the guy with a better supporting cast, but right now, if I had one guy I would want to get the ball, it would be Portis.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 18, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Jansen was NoT the Skins' best RT last year. He helped the run game initially but then he was terrible. Heyer, otoh, has improved each year. I don't understand why he doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt the QB gets. If the right side of the line stays healthy this year, it won't be the problem.


Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

"Moss and ARE are both still in their prime years..."


So because these two guys are in their 'prime years,' the redskins shouldn't reach out to the Broncos and snatch B Marshall away?

Well, okay, but let's assume the following plausible sub-headline:

"Redskin receiver Santana Moss still plagued by 'tweaked hammy'--offense sputters even more so"

You are counting on ARE--in his alleged prime, mind you--to be the 'go-to guy'?

You are also expecting D Thomas, R Williams, and ???? to be such a threat the team's offene improves wihout Moss?

That's a lot of hope placed on some very small shoulders, my friends.

Forget about the past history of dealing the Broncos: find a way to make a trade for B Marshall.

The off the field troubles are what you use to bargain down whatever money the guy wants or picks the Broncos might as for.

There is risk with a couple of guys on this roster (Bridges, Haynesworth to start), what, let me guess, we are now getting 'sanctified' and holy about who is or is not a Washington Redskin?

Sheeeez!

The redskins are thin at two positions that matter in a passing league: wide out and offensive line.

The chance to get a quality starting type receiver is there for the taking.

If we could overlook Prince Al and his issues--money/behavior--we can do the same with Marshall.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 18, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, couldn't get back on the field? Who played LT when Samuels went down? Did you see him getting mauled over there? Better yet, did you see JC getting mauled from the blind side?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

And if he couldn't beat Jansen then I don't see why all of a sudden he's the answer now.

I know I am getting old but if I am not mistaken brown. Didn't Heyer beat out Jansen in training camp to become the starter?

Posted by: jm220 | June 18, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Who played LT when Samuels went down? Did you see him getting mauled over there? Better yet, did you see JC getting mauled from the blind side?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 8:16 AM

If I recall correctly, Samuels missed one game. Against Detroit. My two year old could play LT and win more matchups than she loses against the Lions.

The reason why Campbell gets more benefit of the doubt is because the team's failures are not his fault. And with a sketchy line and mediocre WRs he's still managed to improve both his completion % and his overall QB rating in each year as a starter. Heyer has one of the greatest O-line coaches in NFL history and his success isn't dependent on as many players/factors as Campbell's.

Plus Heyer is an undrafted kid who wouldn't even be here if the team hadn't ignored the O-line in the draft for so long. I like him as a backup and don't mind him in the rotation. I just don't want him as my 16-game starter.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I know I am getting old but if I am not mistaken brown. Didn't Heyer beat out Jansen in training camp to become the starter?

Posted by: jm220 | June 18, 2009 8:26 AM

He did. Then he got hurt, Jansen played and the team didn't lose for a month. The fact that Jansen still didn't come out even as the team started losing says to me that he was still a better option than Heyer.

I'm not in practice, I don't watch film. I'm just deducing from what I did see last year...Jansen playing and Heyer playing backup.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

Here is your statements not mine.
"He did. Then he got hurt, Jansen played and the team didn't lose for a month".

Jansen didn't beat out Heyer to win the job but only played due to Heyer being hurt which means he wasn't better at the time he got hurt. Coaches 9-10 times are not going to make a change when things are going good which is why Heyer didn't get back in. (See Young with Tenn) It doesn't mean the player is better.

Posted by: jm220 | June 18, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Coaches 9-10 times are not going to make a change when things are going good which is why Heyer didn't get back in. (See Young with Tenn) It doesn't mean the player is better.

Posted by: jm220 | June 18, 2009 8:36 AM

That is the case when the guy coming in is playing well and the team is winning. When the offensive line ran out of gas at midseason that would have been the perfect time/excuse to put Heyer back in there. They didn't. That leads me to believe that the coaches felt Jansen gave them a better chance to win.

With your example, Tennessee was playing a better brand of offense with Collins in there than with Young. Less mistakes, less balls skipping to the WRs and--most importantly for the Titans--less picks. But you'll also note that they're not going back to Young, they're staying with Collins even though they could have simply let Collins leave as a FA and avoid the controversy.

That said, I don't hate Heyer or think he's a bum necessarily. I just don't think he's a 16 game starter and would prefer to see the team do better there.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

"And if he (Stephon Heyer) couldn't beat Jansen then I don't see why all of a sudden he's the answer now."

I liked the Orakpo and Barnes selection, but this quote makes me wonder--again--why the team didn't draft an offensive lineman.

After the draft, Vinny was quoted as saying, "We didn't feel any of the linemen in the draft were worth picking."

The team passed on Britton, Monroe, Robinson, Herman Johnson: all players that other teams somehow felt could play in the NFL.

I guess Vinny hopes the ravens' M Oher proves him right: I someone believe he won't.

I guess the FO places a high value on guys who get cut--J Bridges/M Williams-- or can't play for other teams.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 18, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I see on this one brown we are not goingt o agree. lol

Posted by: jm220 | June 18, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

"Didn't Heyer beat out Jansen in training camp to become the starter? Posted by: jm220"

True, but that's a bit deceptive. Throughout his long and illustrious career, Jansen has never been more than a mediocre pass blocker. His run blocking (and leadership) more than made up for it in the eyes of most of his coaches. But Zorn felt he needed better pass protection for his offense and decided to go ahead with Stephon Heyer, a better-than-average pass blocker. It was never as much a competition as it was a preference for one style over another.

Then Heyer got hurt, Jansen stepped in and the team started winning, and ultimately Zorn 'awarded' the job to Jansen -- again without an open competition.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 18, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

It's all good, JM. Just know that I hope you're right!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Tim Hasselbeck, a former backup quarterback for the Giants, said on ESPN's NFL Live yesterday that teams -- including the Jets -- would be wise to refrain from signing his former teammate Plaxico Burress. "When you're looking at Plaxico Burress, there's no doubt that he can be a dominant receiver at times on Sundays," Hasselbeck said. "We've seen it. But with that being said, I played with the guy. I was in the locker room with him for two years. He's a disaster as a teammate. He's a disaster as a guy that you have to coach."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 17, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

NO MORE HEADCASES IN THE LOCKER ROOM! If this team is to get better (Vinny has to go), it's going to be with our team, our crew, our coach, & our QB...all banding together and forging ahead thru thick n thin. Yeah, pick up a Fletcher when you can- someone who can play immediately to help the team AND is nothing but a positive influence on the team and the locker room. Anyone who joins a team should immediately have to meet both criterias- on the field and in the locker room- in a big, big positive way.

Kick all headcases to the curb.

Posted by: BigDeck | June 18, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

samson, disagree on what you say about Jansen's pass blocking. He and probable HOF candidate Mike Strahan, had some memorable battles, that ended in a draw. He was a more than capable pass blocker, prior to tearing his achilles.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"Dock is roughly the same as Kendall"

That I don't see. Kendall's 36 in a month, entering his 14th season, for his fourth NFL club, and rarely gets up to 300 lbs during the season. He's a tough, disciplined player who gets by on technique. Dockery's 29, in his 7th year, and plays at around 330. He's an improving blocker who, when all else fails, gets by on sheer power.

However you rank them, you have to agree they're very different players, and a team that trades one for the other will have a different outcome.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 18, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

beantown: "samson, disagree on what you say about Jansen's pass blocking. He and probable HOF candidate Mike Strahan, had some memorable battles, that ended in a draw."

They did? Wasn't Strahan usually lined up on the opposite side?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 18, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Throughout his long and illustrious career, Jansen has never been more than a mediocre pass blocker.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 18, 2009 9:12 AM

WHAT??? Are you serious? He wasn't HoF caliber, but there was about a 2 or 3 year run where he stonewalled Strahan twice a year! And I seem to recall Strahan naming Jansen as his toughest competitor. You need to come with something to back that up if you think that's true.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

They did? Wasn't Strahan usually lined up on the opposite side?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 18, 2009 9:27 AM

Nevermind...if you have to ask that question I already know you don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

All I remember is that Heyer couldn't get back on the field. And if he couldn't beat Jansen then I don't see why all of a sudden he's the answer now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 8:08 AM

Here's what happened. Heyer outperformed Jansen in the Preseason and wonb the starting job. He then got hurt game 2 or 3 and Jansen replaced him. Jansen had a good 2 game run were he exceled, so when Heyer got back healthey, either Buges or Zorn convinced the other that Jansen has found his mojo again and he she stay in as the Starting RT.

After that 2/3 game run of good blocking, Jansen could not run block or pass block for the last 10 games of the season, but one of the hard headed coaches believed in JAnsen sooo much, he never got taken out when he should have.

So, it sounds like a Buges call. That's why Jansen ain't on the team anymore. This is exactly like when Dan Snyder cut Danny Weurful......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Lets be honest. part of the reason that they got rid of JJ was to force Buggs to start getting younger guys in the lineup.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Now that PETA is attacking the President for killing a fly, can the Mike Vick outrage decease and we can keep it moving???

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/18/peta-wishes-obama-hadnt-swatted-fly/

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

1st & 3rd for Marshall? For that deal Boldin is much better choice. Less baggage... better longterm upside.

Posted by: azskinsfn | June 18, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Snyder likes to buy high and sell low

Posted by: jercha | June 18, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Don't trade for anyone this year. Play out the season and then make moves. You do not want to make a move for a guy when you don't know who your, GM, QB, Coach will be next year, nor what system you will be operating from.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Not football related, but this is the funniest commercial I've EVER seen...ROFLMAO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnOyMSEWNTs

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Only the worst GM would think of going after Marshall .... oh wait that describes Vinny to a T ... yup, we'll end up with him

Posted by: job22 | June 18, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Let's keep what we have. Thomas and Kelly will show their stuff this year. Let's create our own stars, build from the draft.

Posted by: gman1030 | June 18, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

That's why Jansen ain't on the team anymore. This is exactly like when Dan Snyder cut Danny Weurful......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 9:42 AM

You're right. But not for the reason you think: if I recall correctly, Weurffel played the better of the 3 QBs Spurrier tried that year. Then Snyder tried to save Spurrier from himself because everyone except Spurrier knew Weurffel wasn't the long term answer. Same with Jansen. Only this time no one is under the impression that Jansen is the long term answer.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

4th I sent it that story to my sister earlier this morning after reading it. They really need to get a life.

Posted by: jm220 | June 18, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you on this one JM. I hate PETA with every fiber of my being. Anyone who places the life of an animal over humans is sick SOB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I agree that we need to save draft picks for help on the ol,and signing Boldin would take serious cake, but living in AZ I've seen what Boldin does for a team...trust me, he's worth whatever it takes. His toughness,yac,and speed gets much fear and respect from defensive coaches. Marshall is way too loopy. While a great talent,so is T.O....nuff said.

Posted by: azskinsfn | June 18, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

After watching NFLN last night, I understand that:

(1) Marshall ain't going for a 1 and a 3 due to:

* Pending Legal Issues and a atleast a 4 game suspension to follow.
* He can;'t practice due to hip issues. He had surgery recently and no one knows the status.

(2) There are questions how he will perform w/o Jay Cutler as his QB. (JC17 still has to get him the ball where he can catch it)

(3) He has shown no signs he wants to be a leader. So a lot of GMs are skeptical to go after him.

(4) While he has performed as a type flight WR deserving of $10M/yr, he has too many off the field issues.
---------------------------------------------

Because of that he will not be getting $9Mil/yr if a trade can even be accomplished, which I predict it won't (Book it cL).....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

No to Marshall, No to Burress, lets keep our draft picks, get younger and build with draft picks(like competent successful FO's do). This team needs to see what the current WR's do in camp and the preseason, some cream has to rise to the top.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 18, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Let's keep what we have. Thomas and Kelly will show their stuff this year. Let's create our own stars, build from the draft.

Posted by: gman1030

By "show their stuff", do you mean M. Kelly demonstrating how he can injure his knee six ways to Sunday?

Posted by: all_star_0013 | June 18, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Bailey cut from Denver.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 17, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Danny! GO GET EM!

Whats Denver up to... Trying to do worse then the 08 lions?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 17, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

It was BOSS Bailey. You had me going for a sec...

Posted by: Rush21 | June 18, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you on this one JM. I hate PETA with every fiber of my being. Anyone who places the life of an animal over humans is sick SOB...
Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 10:39 AM


I don’t necessarily hate PETA, but they do tend to take things a little far for my taste. I will say this though. As far as valuing an animal over a human life; If I caught some kid torturing/killing my or anyone else’s pet, I would end up in prison because I would very seriously try to beat the kid to death. Especially if it was one of my pets. I’m not saying I’d be going to jail if the kid was shooting a bb gun at birds or something, but lighting cats or dogs on fire or something like that would cause me to go berserk on the human responsible. I had to turn off the news last night because they were reporting that they still haven’t found the person responsible for tying his dog to the back of his truck with a jump rope and dragging it through town. There is always a gray line here of course, but there is cruelty out there that deserves severe punishment, even death in my opinion……even if it is directed at “only” an animal.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 18, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Boss Bailey has always kinda sucked. At first I wanted the Skins to go after him, but then I remembered he's about the same size as Laron Landry. Nevermind...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

There is always a gray line here of course, but there is cruelty out there that deserves severe punishment, even death in my opinion……even if it is directed at “only” an animal.


Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 18, 2009 11:06 AM

I'm gonna say this and leave it alone since I'm sure to inflame the emotions of pet lovers if I continue with this subject:

We're higher on the food chain for a reason.

That is all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

We're higher on the food chain for a reason.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 11:10 AM

Wow. So we can kill them if we eat them?

We're higher on the ethics chain for a reason, too.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Persons that harm animals deserve to be shot. Especially the a**holes that fight dogs, that is the weakest most pu**y thing a person can do.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

What good er'body?

Got some stories to read if you're interested.

First there is this former baseball player that was sentenced to 45 years -- that's a long time to give pleasure to one self.

Then there is this former NBA player that tipped snitched on his sister's boyfriend.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

45 years for pleasuring yourself! I'd be on death row for being a repeat offender.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I got to agree with some of the other comments, if you're going to go after a WR, and I really don't think they should at this point giving the fact the OL still needs help which can be atleast addressed in next yrs draft hopefully, but Boldin would be my choice clearly over Burress or Marshall. Marshall seems kind of spoiled, I think Burress is declining and injury prone, but it wouldn't matter either way, cause if the Oline looks like a hot mess out there, it won't matter if you got Jerry Rice and Randy Moss on the field.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 18, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Paul T:

"Is Marshall worth the negatives for the type of production he's had in the last two years?"

The Answer is yes.--MISTA MOE


Reaching such a definitive conclusion about the effect of a bad apple on a locker room without ever having been in either the old or the new locker room is arrogance of the first order.

The answer is you don't know, I don't know and the teams don't know. But the way to bet is that bad apples like Marshall don't often change.

How many examples do you need of the effect of the TO's and Pacman's and , yes, marshall's of the world to be convinced?

And if you're willing to root for a team no matter how bad the character of its players, than you're rooting for the wrong team. You're a closet Dallas fan.

Posted by: TheCork | June 18, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Blame it on Male testosterone. Pitting animals against each other has been going on for centuries. As society evolves, those events get pushed back into the shadows because they are not as widely as accepted.

dlhaze - I feel you on if it were your dog. Just like something happened to your daughter. You have an emotional attachment.

I was reading in the paper yesterday that a reverend and his wife took away Halo 3 from their 17 year old son because he would play it all day everyday and would not focus on anything else.

Their son entered their bedroom and their son told them calmly that he had a present for them and they needed to close their eyes. So they closed their eyes anxiously waiting only to have their heads blown off. The father survived, though......

There are some personal positions that if you mess with it, it will tip people over. Some people's are their pets, some their children, others - their video games.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Wow. So we can kill them if we eat them?

We're higher on the ethics chain for a reason, too.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 11:16 AM

If you wanna eat flies, that's your business. All I'm saying is that humans are the superior species for a reason. Read it however you like.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

And for the record, I DO NOT condone dogfighting. I don't like animals and even I was horrified by some of the stuff associated with that. I just hate people who deify animals and prop them up to a status just as important as humans.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm gonna say this and leave it alone since I'm sure to inflame the emotions of pet lovers if I continue with this subject:
We're higher on the food chain for a reason.
That is all.
Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 11:10 AM


From a consumption standpoint yes, and I am a meat eater; love me some steak. But there are laws that are in place to ensure humane treatment in the preparation and killing processes. If we were a true hunter/gatherer society, we would be killing animals for food and other uses, but we would not in theory (by supposed ethical standards) be torturing and killing just for cruelty’s sake. That cat killer is one sick bastard. Although it doesn’t look like they actually have anything on the kid to prove he did it, according to the article anyway (closed file)…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 18, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

We dont need another reciever. We can make do with these cats here. The key to any offense is the Offensive Line first and the qb second.

The recievers we have here are more than adequate. Even if Devin Thomas doesn't make huge jumps, Cooley should be geetting open, and if they were smart....IN DOUBLE TIGHT SETS, CLEAR OUT FOR DAVIS ON THE BACK SIDE, SO HE CAN HAVE A MITCH-MATCH ON A LINEBACKER...that way once teams see him on the back side...THEY WILL BRING THE OTHER SAFETY DOWN WHICH WILL SET MOSS/THOMAS IN SINGLE COVERAGE...

they have good pieces, they just have to USE THEM EFFECTIVELY...not to hard to do.

but if the offensive line is a mess, the season is down the drain.

Posted by: impervious99 | June 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who advocates "death" as punishment for a human being, for killing an animal is crazy. Are you serious?

And, Peta is just way over the top, actually commenting on someone(Pres.Obama) for killing a FLY!!?? These folks need to get a life I mean seriously, these people are zealots, and that's an understatement.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

If you wanna eat flies, that's your business. All I'm saying is that humans are the superior species for a reason. Read it however you like.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

This one is like abortion, the two sides will never see it the same and thats that. Personally I have a softer spot for animals than I do humans, but I don't think your opinion is wrong.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

but there is cruelty out there that deserves severe punishment, even death in my opinion……even if it is directed at “only” an animal.


Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 18, 2009 11:06 AM


So you're saying that if a human kills an animal, they should be subject to the death penalty?

WTF, dude? Where the hell are we as a society? Where the f*** are our priorities when we're thinking along these terms?

So, the life of a dog, your pet goldfish, or your ferret > the life of a human being

To quote bean: "ufb"...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I like steak, and steak-related products.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I thought I'd heard it all, but for someone to think somebody should receive the death penalty for killing an animal?

There's some crazy M%&*$# F^(@%$'s out here. Lord help us.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 18, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I think people convicted of cruelty to animals should have a warning sign in their yard like sex offenders.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

You guys keep arguing about if its ethical to kill an animal, etc.

I keep remembering that Sarah Palin interview on Thanksgiving, with the guy killing turkeys in the background, peering over his shoulder...her prattling on about nothing...it was surreal.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Brownwood tell a grizzly bear/great white shark or a Bengal Tiger that he is higher on the food chain!

As always this argument is taking place in the tard zone....

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I think people convicted of cruelty to animals should have a warning sign in their yard like sex offenders.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 11:44 AM

Not a bad idea. I might put one in my yard. Then the dog walkers will have their dogs poop on other side of the street.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

oh, my bad, i thought we were still talking about football and not animals......

well in that case vick should be reinstated no questions asked, after the Stallworth sentence.

if the nfl is mirror their code of conduct policy after what the judicial system is saying then it's okay for someone to kill dogs, because the judicial system doesnt think that much of humans....atleast when they are drunk.

but back to the recievers, no to Marshall...tooo much money and we haven't even seen what the recievers can do.

Posted by: impervious99 | June 18, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

So parents are getting aced becasue they take away their child's video games?

S**t, I remember having my TV taken, radio, Sega Genesis, and phone becasue of bad grades in school.

Not once did I think about inflicting any harm to my parents.

I think the problem now a days are that kids aren't getting their asses beat like some in my generation did. (i think my generation will be the last to "get it" from their parents)

Me raise a hand to my father? HELL no! My dad didn't even have to use belts, he just used his hands. I still remember him and moms dubbing me up at times. She'd have the belt, he'd just bring the hands that God gave him.

yeah, (lol) those were great times, and I truly mean that. i still thank them for the beatings they gave.

parents: beat your child(ren) asses! when they become disciplined adults of society they'll thank you.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

This one is like abortion, the two sides will never see it the same and thats that. Personally I have a softer spot for animals than I do humans, but I don't think your opinion is wrong.
Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 11:37 AM

Agreed here. For those that think I’m nuts for saying some people deserve the death penalty for killing an animal, I am not saying I value an animal’s life over a humans. If I had to choose which to save in a crisis, dog or human, I would save the human. If someone breaks into a home and shoots the homeowner, he or she should get a more severe penalty than if they broke in and shot the dog. For me it all comes down to the amount of cruelty involved. Someone who goes out and tortures and kills dogs and cats, or just about any other animal (I will not go as far as flies) in obvious acts of cruelty are sick in the head and statisitics show are prone to move forward to cruelty towards humans. Again, it’s very gray, but IN MY OPINION, there are severe acts of cruelty towards animals that would warrant the death penalty.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 18, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

there's a steak place up the road, that when me and my wife go out to dinner, we always go there....food is out of this world good, and reasonable too....called Nino's Steakhouse, in Hingham, MA, if anyone is interested.

Now I'm friggin starving....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I have a solution for this. Take whoever from PETA made this comment and send them to the middle east where the flies are insanly abundant (personaly I think all the flies in the world go to the middle east for vacation because I have never seen so many) but let them go there and I promise you after a few hours they will start swatting flies like everyone else does. I am with you though any group or person that supports abortion but is against animal testing is pretty damn hypocritical as far as I am concerned. You cant be against one without being against the other, because its pretty much the same argument, trying to protect something that cant protect itself. Also dont start posting your beliefs about abortions because it is not my intent to start the debate, it is only my intent to show the hypocracy of certain people/groups.

Posted by: hudginsc | June 18, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"parents: beat your child(ren) asses! when they become disciplined adults of society they'll thank you.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse"

Great advice......

F society, I ain't beating my kid....

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"Also dont start posting your beliefs about abortions because it is not my intent to start the debate, it is only my intent to show the hypocracy of certain people/groups."

Do I say not as I do....

RI has entered....the Tard Zone of talking about societal issues...

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

So parents are getting aced becasue they take away their child's video games?

S**t, I remember having my TV taken, radio, Sega Genesis, and phone becasue of bad grades in school.

Not once did I think about inflicting any harm to my parents.

I think the problem now a days are that kids aren't getting their asses beat like some in my generation did. (i think my generation will be the last to "get it" from their parents)

Me raise a hand to my father? HELL no! My dad didn't even have to use belts, he just used his hands. I still remember him and moms dubbing me up at times. She'd have the belt, he'd just bring the hands that God gave him.

yeah, (lol) those were great times, and I truly mean that. i still thank them for the beatings they gave.

parents: beat your child(ren) asses! when they become disciplined adults of society they'll thank you.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse
Best thing I've read all day. I heard a kid the other day (10-12 years old) tell his mom to shut up! In the grocery store of all places, thats where my mom really went MMA on me growing up.I was shocked, kudos to all the parents who still slap their kid in the back of the head for acting stupid.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

If I recall correctly, Samuels missed one game. Against Detroit...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 8:26 AM

This proves you are not qualified to have this discussion. Did you watch the games last year? He was placed on IR and missed the last three games of the season. Heyer started the last four games at LT.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

red, nice post, seriously good post. Could not agree more. Raise my hand to my parents, only if I wanted to meet my maker at a young age.......

still hungry....this ham sammich ain't getting it done...

is that a fake cl post...that sig is busted...but the wording/content seem like him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm not even sold on killing human being becasue they killed someone, more less kill a human being becasue he killed a dog, cat, or whatever.

To me, IMO, that some wardassback thinking right there.

Who gives anyone the right to execute a human being, regardless of their crime?

The answer is no one. I mean, humans, you and I, do rule to world, right? Top of the food chain and what not, via God or natural selection, correct? Are we serveant to animals, or do I have the s**t backwards?

Help me out, please!

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I think people convicted of cruelty to animals should have a warning sign in their yard like sex offenders.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 11:44 AM

I wouldn't go that far, but I get your point.

And I appreciate respecting my view. I respect people's love of their pets and what not. All I ask is that you keep it away from me and don't dress it in clothes because that's beyond stupid.

For the record, I'm not on board with cruel killing of animals. In fact, I agree with the sentiment that torturing animals can easily lead to committing similar crimes against humans. I just resent the notion that somehow animals have the same kind of rights and liberties that humans have.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Red - I have had wire hangers, thin branches while outside, and extension cords used on me by moms...

Once I got in trouble in high school (age 16), so I was driving her car with her yelling at me in the passenger seat. And out of now where - BAM - LEft hook to the chin, while I was DRIVING! I forget what I did, but yo, I still remember that and was more respectful to the situation afterwards. (Even though the left hook didn't hurt at all, it was just that she even did was shocking to me)

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

While I don't think we should execute animal abusers (I am not really for execution as a general rule anyway) I always root for animals vs humans in nature specials or when I search youtube for "animal attacks" clips....

That is some funny siht right there.....

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Also dont start posting your beliefs about abortions because it is not my intent to start the debate, it is only my intent to show the hypocracy of certain people/groups."

Do I say not as I do....

RI has entered....the Tard Zone of talking about societal issues...

You know good point, and after reading your post I see where I dont come across as throwing my views out there on that topic and that wasnt my intention. Actually I should have known better than to ever metion the word abortion because anytime you do you get the extremists from both sides of that argument. My appologies to all on this blog and please disregard that part of my post. But I stick with what I said about flies.

Posted by: hudginsc | June 18, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

for the record I also generally root for children against abusive parents as well......

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

4th you got me in tears with that one. LMAO!

Posted by: jm220 | June 18, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Also dont start posting your beliefs about abortions because it is not my intent to start the debate, it is only my intent to show the hypocracy of certain people/groups."

Do I say not as I do....

RI has entered....the Tard Zone of talking about societal issues...

You know good point, and after reading your post I see where I dont come across as throwing my views out there on that topic and that wasnt my intention. Actually I should have known better than to ever metion the word abortion because anytime you do you get the extremists from both sides of that argument. My appologies to all on this blog and please disregard that part of my post. But I stick with what I said about flies.

Posted by: hudginsc | June 18, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

4th--I'm trying to picture it and if you were driving and she was in the passenger's seat, then it was either a left backhand or a right hook. Unless she's got some weird joints in that arm to deliver a left hook. Probably wasn't trying to hurt you, just get your attention. And she did. Go, mama.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

This proves you are not qualified to have this discussion. Did you watch the games last year? He was placed on IR and missed the last three games of the season. Heyer started the last four games at LT.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 11:56 AM

I did watch the games...the first 13. After the Sellers fumble at the goal line I knew the Skins were done and I saved my money. So my bad...I missed that little nugget at the end.

And you can talk to me about Heyer when he's a legit and solid starter and not some slapd*ck they throw in when someone gets hurt. The fact that Jansen's gone and he still has to compete with the likes of Mike Williams for a starting job should tell you something.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

One time my moms punched me in the face whilst driving and i lost attention on the road and plowed into a group of 3rd graders at bus stop...good times good times and b/c of that I am an upstanding member of society who alwayd vote, pay my taxes, don't annoy others in grocery stores and NEVER put a sweater on my poodle!

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

red, I got no problem with offing some pedophiles, with a zero cure rate, line em up for target practice.....50 cal sniper rifle should do the trick.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

A left Jab then. I just remembered it was the left because it was the closet arm, but she turned to face me too...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey 4th. Watch out for that right! LMAO

Posted by: jm220 | June 18, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

is that a fake cl post...that sig is busted...but the wording/content seem like him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 11:56 AM |

Yes, it's fake cl. And no where near the mark. No fire, not even sparks. The imitation consists of repeating "tard."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"The fact that Jansen's gone and he still has to compete with the likes of Mike Williams for a starting job should tell you something."

Yeah it tells me the competition for starting spots on a team is a solid way to improve the team...what a nut...

Beantown....its me baby!

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't have any kids, but when I do, bet your last two dimes I'm going to physically discipline them when called for.

Kids have to be a little fearful of their parent(s), it'll teach you to be humble in life.

I think this is why a lot of "urban/inner city youths" have problems in school and with the law at early ages. 1) There isn't a competent parent around anyway and 2) since there isn't one around, there is no one to teach them to be humble. It is why you'll see a child curse out the teachers and break the law without any regard to the consequences.

They have no fear. Why? Becasue they didn't get their asses tore up when they should've.

Beating = Instilling Fear = humbleness

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The cognitive dissonance is stifling up here....

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

One time my moms punched me in the face whilst driving

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 12:06 PM

Only one poster up here has ever used the word "whilst" -- Redcoat -- and he's too clever to have written the rest of this junk.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for that nugget. At least I now know what kind of fan you are. And don't think it's truly a competition between Heyer, Williams and Bridges. JZ is utilizing a tool called motivation.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

How about we put the receivers we drafted on the field and see what they can do first. Brandon Marshall didn't become a starter until year two and look at the results. Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly are both very talented receivers and can add a lot to the Skins offense. So put them out there and let them show and prove.

Posted by: eazy413 | June 18, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't even know what this new cl is trying to say, cognitivity...sorry, way over my head....I don't roll that deep...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

***Moral with a smidge of religion post***

bean, I hate, as in wish death on every and all pedophiles and rapist. except a guy who rapes a deserving inmate in prison, becasue 7 out of 10 times they deserve it.

i just don't know if we should be the ones that determine if one lives or dies.

i hate to do it, but this is where religion comes in.

a dude on TV (history channel i think) said that he belives in the after life becasue he can't accept that Mother Teresa and Adolf Hitler will have the same fate, even if it's a state of nothing.

if you belive in the after life or whatever, i can understand why you'd oppose the death penalty. if you don't believe I can see holding strong support for the death penalty.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Red...call me kooky....but most of the research in education and learning psychology with "urban/inner city youths" cite the culture of beatings as leading to a culture of violence in schools......but what do I know I only have an advanced degree in education with a focus on urban settings.......

If you really want to learn read about Geoffery Canada and his Harlem Children's zone and see what he says about the connection between parenting and schools....

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

parental discipline is interesting but they are debating single payer health care on the Eagles site - much more interesting topic

Posted by: coparker5 | June 18, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"Nevermind...if you have to ask that question I already know you don't know what you're talking about.Posted by: brownwood26"

What a strange individual you are.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 18, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Red, it's a lot more complicated than you suggest. The kid who killed his parents who stopped him from playing Halo3 24/7, for example, something was wrong with him that no amount of beatings could cure. As far as inner city kids, I'm sure if you go to any prison and asked, many inmates will tell you they got beatings as a kid - some to the point of physical abuse. You, 4th, me, our parents didn't just spank us to gain their respect. They also showed us they loved us and were involved in our education and social development.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

That's a fradulent cL?

"Those aren't breast... They're lies." - Stewie Griffin

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

bite me TE its me....on a different computer....

"I don't even know what this new cl is trying to say, cognitivity...sorry, way over my head....I don't roll that deep...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse"

We know Beantown, believe me we know....

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Red - When you become a parent, know that you shouldn't use the 'beating' method all the time. You will scare the child for a long time.

I'm sure we are only talking about little boys. The little girls can just have their doll house taken and no desert for them.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"parental discipline is interesting but they are debating single payer health care on the Eagles site - much more interesting topicPosted by: coparker5"

Yes but to discuss that, you actually have to know something. Not so with parenting; everybody's born with an opinion.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 18, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"Beating = Instilling Fear = humbleness
Posted by: RedDMV"

There's a couple guys down here on the loading dock that'd enjoy instilling a little humbleness for you right now.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 18, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

What LH said is what I was suggesting.

If I ever become a public official, LH will be my 1st hire as my speechwriter.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

lh1, cL, I hear y'all, I really do.

From my experinces, and what I've seen tell me otherwise. I'm going to discipline my kids. I'm not going to throw them through walls or beat them in front of their friends (maybe once, like when we turn the corner or something), but I will make them understand that there is a firggin' order to things, and there is a certain way to carry yourself.

that teaching is something that was lost sometime in the last 10-20 years. we all need to get back to that.

I guess some situations vary depending on the child. If it's in you to be a sh**bag, then it's in you. Like you said, lh, all the beatings, counseling sessions, or medication in the world can't re-define some people.

Sometimes, you are who you are.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"Dock is roughly the same as Kendall"

That I don't see. Kendall's 36 in a month, entering his 14th season, for his fourth NFL club, and rarely gets up to 300 lbs during the season. He's a tough, disciplined player who gets by on technique. Dockery's 29, in his 7th year, and plays at around 330. He's an improving blocker who, when all else fails, gets by on sheer power.

However you rank them, you have to agree they're very different players, and a team that trades one for the other will have a different outcome.

Posted by: Samson151


I was referring to the relative quality of their play.

You are absolutely correct, they are very different in many ways. Dockery solves the long term problem. But I don't expect much better quality of play at LG since Kendall was reasonably effective. Especially since Dock was the worst in the league at his position in sacks allowed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

There's a couple guys down here on the loading dock that'd enjoy instilling a little humbleness for you right now.


Posted by: Samson151 | June 18, 2009 12:29 PM


Um, the Greeks? The Zabotka's? I don't get it.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

...but I will make them understand that there is a firggin' order to things, and there is a certain way to carry yourself.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 12:30 PM

You do this first by example.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

or the record I also generally root for children against abusive parents as well......

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009

You'd fit right in with "Indigos" "Crystals" and the "New Kids". Age of Aquariums errr Aquarius.

Who doesn't root for kids against abusive parents AND teachers! Seen and been its victim it is fun to be the "anti-bully". The law permitting.

Posted by: periculum | June 18, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

you are who you are.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 12:30 PM

Are you creating new sayings? It is either:

You are who I thought you were.

OR

It is what it is.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

There's a couple guys down here on the loading dock that'd enjoy instilling a little humbleness for you right now.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 18, 2009

You must mean the loading dock at the Fort (NSA)? The place they exile you to when they want you to go away? Sorry to hear you ended up there.

Posted by: periculum | June 18, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of crap...lets go back to talking Redskins.

Posted by: Masonman | June 18, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Red - When you become a parent, know that you shouldn't use the 'beating' method all the time. You will scare the child for a long time.

I'm sure we are only talking about little boys. The little girls can just have their doll house taken and no desert for them.....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Or tell them they are not the pretty princess anymore. That works as well.

Posted by: jm220 | June 18, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Is this the blog for The View or are we stay on topic. Jeez at least talk about football...

Posted by: Rush21 | June 18, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

they are who we thought they were??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Is this the blog for The View or can we staying on topic. Jeez at least talk about football...

Posted by: Rush21 | June 18, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

You are who I thought you were.

OR

It is what it is.

OR

Moe, Curly CHEESE! Bwwwwwwwwwppppppbwpppp

Posted by: periculum | June 18, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

What ever happened to Clevercoat?
Was he eaten by a beast of the field?

I seems like it happens to the best of us. Or maybe it's natural selection gradually taking care of the most pernicious species on the planet.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

bite me TE its me....on a different computer....

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 12:24 PM |

I only bite the real cl, not some fraud who can't even establish his own personality but aspires to be cl.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Agree with those of you in favor of spanking (not beating) when it is warranted. There is a level of spanking that instills more fear than actual hurt and teaches the child a lesson. There is a reason for the old adage of “this will hurt me more than you”…… I myself took the belt many times but it never left a mark and I never felt like I was being abused; it was most certainly deserved when it happened. I agree with Red in that this is something that has “gone away” over the years as we have grown more and more PC as a society. Go spend 30 minutes in a mall and you can walk away seeing at least 10 kids that need a spanking….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 18, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Or tell them they are not the pretty princess anymore. That works as well.

Posted by: jm220 | June 18, 2009 12:42 PM

Thanks JM! I got about 4 more weeks to find out what my wife is carrying, but I am pretty sure it is a pretty princess in there......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

yeah ok TE its not me.........you got me! (jeesh what a simp)

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Is this the blog for The View or can we staying on topic. Jeez at least talk about football...

Posted by: Rush21 | June 18, 2009 12:44 PM

Rush, if we talked about football everyday every hour in June/July, this blog would average 20 per day.

We gotta sprinkle in some life from a Male POV sometimes to keep up the convo.

If some news comes up, or a Mason/RT/3 2nd round pass catchers debate comes up, then the comments will steer back to football.

I'll start - Mason will make the team. Heyer will start. The 3 2nd round pass catchers will do well this season.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

We're higher on the food chain for a reason.

That is all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 18, 2009 11:10 AM |

We're higher on the food chain? We? You swallowed PETA's bogus outrage over a dead fly like a gigantic sucker. Might want to rethink your spot on that chain.

Posted by: mack1 | June 18, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Jeez Rush.
It's the nether season, there is no football to talk about.

cL,
Let me warn you, the day will come when you at least want to slap your kid silly. There's something in them that wants to push you (the parent) beyond your limits are.

I have succumb, on a couple of occasions. It is regrettable.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Go spend 30 minutes in a mall and you can walk away seeing at least 10 kids that need a spanking….

Posted by: dlhaze1

and did you ever notice how many of those kids are wearing cowboy jerseys ... its like 80% of them

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"We're higher on the food chain for a reason."

The earth is at the center of the universe.

Football is the most important thing on earth.

If pigs ruled the earth they would play a game with a ball called a humanskin.

There ya go Rush, I brought that one back around for ya.

We aim to please.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

you know its come full circle when the "mason will make the team" talk starts.....when you get right down to it, its always about Marcus Mason...no matter what the subject matter, the answer is always....Marcus Mason...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

i feel you stumped, and I get some light spanking or whateves...happened to me.....but beatings as principal and a culture of beatings as a key parental tool.....I don't truck with that but hey I am really not that boffo on telling others how to live their lives........

F TE

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Nope, 4th. Not new.

When Gilbert Arenas was asked about them playing defense, or their lack of willingness to play defense, Gilbert said: We're an offensive team. Sometimes, you are who you are.

It wasn't insightful, complaicated, or some long and drawn out quote like most people try to do.

I am a big fan of quotes. I guess that's why I love to see a coach of a cow after a game or when pressed on a certain issue. I thought Zorn was going to give me one, but that was creepy more than anything.

"Yeah, well da thing 'bout the ol' days, dey da ol' days." I like this quote becasue not only it comes from the greatest TV show of all-time, but it's true. People are too damn retrospective these days. Especially in sports, like football, like the fans of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

BAd Impression of cL.....

Bean - They asked for it and they got it......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess I have become a bad parody of myself b/c its freakin me!!!!

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

4th, the answer is Marcus Mason....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

actually I am Marcus Mason...

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

cL, who's telling who how to live their lives, or raise their kids?

making a suggestion isn't the same as telling, just as telling isn't the same as ordering.

but hey, what the hell do i know? i just did a few years in the military, got out, took some college courses, and got a few microsoft certs.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Mason Persuasion lives...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Red, did they not have remedial reading in those classes I said I don't like telling others how to live their lives!

Microsoft...thats your problem right there

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

the question is:

What is the square root of 432,259,127,581,663.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

well, why don't you learn me? high and mighty...

watch your damn tone... and keep your hands on your head. hold that wit along with that other sh** you're kicking there, cousin.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Bobby Bowden may get as many as 14 wins taken off his record for the big FSU student cheating scandal….That would put Jo Pa 15 wins ahead of him……maybe one of them will actually retire soon…..from having seen a few Penn State games recently, Paterno doesn’t appear to really know what’s going on anymore. I think he has become a true figurehead……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 18, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

hmmm,
maybe that's where the expression "you've really outdone yourself" comes from.

The Marcus Mason Adulation feels too much like the Leigh Torrance Transformance waiting to happen.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I still need a spanking every now and then

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

red huh? you are the king of dish it can't take....i take a light jab and correct you that i was actually saying its not my place to tell others how to live and your cult of macho thing comes out? chill out glass jaw!

cue profanity tirade....which i enjoy...you can spit a blue insult....

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

This is a pretty easy question with an obvious answer: NO WAY IN HELL.

We drafted 3 pass catchers in the 2nd round a year ago and are expecting big things out of them this year. Not to mention we already have 2 great pass catchers in Moss and Cooley and a reliable 3rd option in Randle El.

Posted by: Barno1 | June 18, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

It is cL...

Sorry dude..

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I am with Barno (on the no to BM)

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

no prob, 4th...i find it hysterical....

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

This one time I say, " Obtain the ICBM"...Randy only cost the Patriots a 4th, and immediately the Brady-Moss monster broke the NFL record for touchdowns..Those were giddy days in NE, but how they lost to the dog-a** Giants in the Super Bowl blows the brains of the baboon, we beat those Gints brack and brue just a coupla weeks before.."ICBM" would open up Moss, Portis, Cooley, the whole damn crew..We just have to cut back on his "NFL Receiver's LSD Ration", and we'll be fine..Trade a 1st and change, next year is a capless year, we can address other issues then..

Posted by: frak | June 18, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

We're getting Randy Moss?! WTF? lolwhut?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 18, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if Brandon Marshall's parents took a belt to him as a child?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 18, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

TheCork

Re: Adding B Marshall

Your comment: "And if you're willing to root for a team no matter how bad the character of its players, than you're rooting for the wrong team. You're a closet Dallas fan."

Then this blog is larded with 'closet Dallas fans' as according to what we all know, many posters support the addition of Albert Haynesworth (I did not) and Jeremy Bridges.

Last time I check, both of these cats--like B Marshall--had or have recent off the field issues to contend with, suggesting that 'real redskins fans' must support the notion that they shouldn't be on the team.

Too, many of these 'closet Dallas fans' aped all day long weeks ago when someone floated the idea of adding M Vick (I do not).

Locker room presence? Last year, Marshall's numbers were:

2008 Denver Broncos 15 15 104 1,265 12.2 47 6 2 -4 -2.0 7 0 4 3

Wow!: I can see Champ Bailey now, "Dang, we got a jerk in Marshall who caught 104 passes this year. I wish I was in DC were James "Character" Thrash set the right tone with his 9 catches and good attitude."

Yes: Marshall has issues.

But having a trio of pass catchers--Moss/Marshall/Cooley--as a trio for defensive coaches to plan for is a great idea, better then depending on second ear guys improving or 'character guys' pointing to the sky after a dropped pass.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 18, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

ICBM=InterContinental Brandon Marshall, He Who Shuttles Diks...My English translator lost a bet , and is walking along the River Styx..

Posted by: frak | June 18, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

the question is:

What is the square root of 432,259,127,581,663.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

its a non-integral thing. We shoulda traded for Boldin last year. And drafted Curry this year

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

no one was dishing, no one was taking. cult of macho? is that supposed to be funny or something.

pump your breaks, bk larry. breathe easy, if i were going there withcha, you'd know it. any post from me airing someone out will be at least 3 paragraphs with ebonics, profanity, and bad grammar and spelling.

the bannanas in your corn flakes, are they diluted or is it piss? chill and take 5.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm having some issues digesting the thought processes of some of the posters here.

Add Mike Vick? Sure, folks say, even though he'd have no discernable role on the team and would bring more baggage and media attention than Paris Hilton entering a crack house.

Add (INSERT released NFL players' name here) and folks ape all day about going after some guy (Larry Foote, Levi Jones, Plax, et al) just because he's unemployed.

But when the thought of addig a Pro Bowl caliber player--B Marshall-- to a position where depth, size (Marshall is 6'4" 230 lbs) and versetility is sorely needed, the brain fart kicks in, and the folks who are usually down on the like of ARE, Kelly, and Thomas suddenly see them all as the second coming of Lynn Swann.

They say "No" to Marshall as they have so much faith in Are and D Thomas.

Okay. I'll go along with y'all.

But if Moss gets hurt early on in the season, well,...

Go figure.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 18, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

wait those were bananas?

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Can't I just keep imagining we're getting Randy Moss instead?

Puhleeze?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 18, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

z

"We shoulda traded for Boldin last year..."

Amen.

'Cept I would've drafted Monroe or Britton or Oher or Smith over Orakpo this year.

Why depend on castoff linemen and hope that undrafted backups (Heyer) somehow turn into Jackie Slater?

But what's done is done.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 18, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Just a quick note to any direct tv subscribers; free - all channel preview this weekend starting today.....enjoy!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 18, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

dl, thanks for the tip, I'll check that out.....trade for Boldin, and Curry today....make it happen captain

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

'Cept I would've drafted Monroe or Britton or Oher or Smith over Orakpo this year.


Posted by: MistaMoe

I'm actually OK with Orakpo, though I wasn't too impressed with the highlight video I saw on him. Mostly, I don't have much faith in highlight videos.

We had multiple needs and Orakpo can fill one of them (either DE or OLB). If Oher was a better player than Orakpo, we should have gone for him since the OL was in worse shape.

But if Orakpo is a beast, Vinny will look like a genius. Here's hoping

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Man, the WP needs to get another topic up here, it's all over the place, the justice system, corporal punishement, PETA, hey get something else up here!!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 18, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

trade for Boldin, and Curry today....make it happen captain

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

if only I was still in that job ... I left that world after I decided we could lose Pierce and replace him with Fletcher

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: countystyle | June 18, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Zeke's annual "I have too many plums and I don't know what to do with them" festival begins in about a week.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I keep reading all these posts analyzing everything about players etc etc. attitude etc etc

The only reason we know about these issues now is because of the internet and the fact the NFL network etc etc

Before all that,....we never heard all the crap we do today...If we had the same media coverage back in the day...fans would be on here screaming to dump Gary Clark! Everything is so under the micro scope now fans just want to look at everything way too serious. Nothing has changed...just that we know about things now where as before we didn't until NFL Films told us behind the scenes info years later.

Everyone relax....

And yes I say go after Marshall or Boldne...that is a huge need and they both can flat out ball!

Posted by: leevi98 | June 18, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 18, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

no they were bannanas. can't you read?

why are people sour about the bs convo, i enjoy the bs convo. let's me know that others are capable of bs.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

i don't even know why i care, no one does it for me

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Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Need more class act players like this...-CORK


NFL player gives back to his native Oakland
By Jonathan Okanes
Oakland Tribune
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OAKLAND — Washington Redskins defensive tackle Lorenzo Alexander knows all about turning the improbable into probable.

The former St. Mary's High School and Cal star was fortunate to get a lot of help from the community as a kid growing up in Oakland, staying on the right path to earn his football scholarship. Then, after going undrafted in 2005 and getting cut by the Carolina Panthers after one season on their practice squad, Alexander has become a key reserve for Washington the past two seasons.

Alexander is well aware of his good fortune, and he wants to let other Oakland kids know it's possible for them, too. That's why he's started the Lorenzo Alexander ACES Foundation, a nonprofit enrichment program designed to give back to the Oakland community.

The Foundation is hosting a free football camp this weekend for youths aged 8-17 at Curt Flood Field.

"I made it as far as I did because people took the time to give back," Alexander said. "I feel it's only right, being blessed to be able to play in the NFL, to give back to these kids. I know in Oakland there are a lot of kids that don't have a good foundation or have someone they can look up to. I'm just trying to allow people to see that you can be successful coming out of Oakland."

ACES stands for Accountability, Community, Education and Sports. In addition to football drills, the camp will feature guest speakers from the community to talk about education — taking the correct classes, knowing when important test dates come up, getting tutoring, etc.

There will also be a guest nutritionist and a handful of players and coaches, including Buffalo Bills offensive tackle Langston Walker, another Oakland native and former Cal star who also played for the Raiders; Redskins teammates Alex Buzbee, H.B. Blades and current Cal players Derrick Hill and Covaughn DeBoskie.

"Oakland gets a lot of negative publicity," Alexander said. "I'm trying to show them that there are guys that made it that dealt with the same issues they are dealing with."

Alexander has stuck with the Redskins by not only performing at defensive tackle, but also helping out on the offensive line and on special teams. He's also lined up at tight end and fullback in goal-line situations.

"I can use my example that not everything is always going to go perfect in life," Alexander said. "You have to stay inspired and focused on what you want to do. Eventually it will all pay off, maybe not the way you thought it would, but you'll get there."

Posted by: TheCork | June 18, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Is this Hunter guy going to improve our kicking game this year? Last years was deplorable.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Is this Hunter guy going to improve our kicking game this year? Last years was deplorable.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse


Hope so...Check out what Hunter Smith once did though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M8l8ZOs4gw

Posted by: Vicc | June 18, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

We dont need to trade for another teams problem child. We have two young recievers that we drafted last year. I say give them this year to see how they do, if they dont produce this year then we go get an established reciever. Offensive line is a concern however, even more so with Jansen cut, sure Jansen wasnt as reliable as he used to be but he would have been a great backup if someone went down, as it stands now I dont think we have a proven backup who could step in. I felt better about the O line when Janson was still around. Im not saying Janson was the answer as I do believe injuries had taken their toll and he wouldnt hold up for 16 games but he did provide quality depth, now IMHO we have none.

Posted by: hudginsc | June 18, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

How about Boss Bailey? I cant really say that I have followed his career but I was wondering if anyone else has and if you think he would be worth bringing in to see how he does. Or does he not fit the system??

Posted by: hudginsc | June 18, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

They simply dont have the money.And Jason only throws 3-7 yard passes.

Posted by: mark65 | June 18, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

brown-you must have had your eyes closed during 2008 games if you could not see JC throwing at the receivers feet or overthrowing everyone in the red zone. maybe you were sleepy.

Posted by: rls1041 | June 19, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if the 'Skins can get an offensive line that offers Campbell and the receivers some time, maybe some of the receivers they already have will blossom! Better to spend money on the offensive line. It was Bobby Betherd selecting offensive lineman, the Hogs, that built the Gibbs Dynasty.

Posted by: rash67 | June 19, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

too much trouble and money, give the sophomore's a chance

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 19, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

We can get all the wide receivers we want, but we need someone to get the ball to them.It ain't JC.

Posted by: SKINZR1 | June 20, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Dont want him , dont need him or his baggage!! A cancer to any locker room!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | June 20, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Been reading posts for sometime but heres my first shot...Marshall, probably has more talent when you include age...I was Staggered to read we have one receiver with over 100 catches and he is doen it twice...with that being said, Plax you could sign to a one year deal, seeing that we dont know what next year brings, and we all know what players do in contract years (please JC) so i say plax, for one year

Posted by: TheFuzzyClam | June 21, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

hip surgery = no 1rst round pick

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | June 21, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

id gladly take brandon marshall for a 1st and 3rd rounders, I know it seems dumb but we have a HORRIBLE draft history on offensive players (defense we're pretty good but qb/wr makes matt millens draft picks look smart at least he got one bonafide starter in a decade the closest we came was a dead tie between rod gardiner and michael westbrook) the way I see it hes an instant producer, and lets say we dont get him and malcolm "knees of balsa" and DT, flop much like last year, who do you think we draft next year, a WR! If we had a compitent draft room id be excited unfortunately a decade of vinny ceratos offensive selections (minus a gibbs return) has made me more realistic. In conclusion mortgage those draft picks like the tiltawirl at six flags danny boy and get me a decent WR!

Posted by: dxfwmad | June 22, 2009 4:58 AM | Report abuse

not sure if anyone else has said it, but lets be 100% honest. The Redskins haven't really done well with their WR draft picks in recent history. Our best receivers have been aquired through trade and our current 2,3, and 4 WR aren't cutting it. nor would they cut it on any other team. Devin Thomas has some potential, but needs a year or two more to get adjusted to the NFL. Needless-to-say, Brandon Marshall would be an immediate upgrade at a position that is and has been an embarassment.

Posted by: webner0 | June 24, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

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