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P-Ten's Take on Minicamp

With Jasno out, we thought we'd send a rookie of our own to minicamp...Here's the view through Paul "P-Ten" Tenorio's eyes:

So, Jim Zorn made it through his first minicamp as head coach of the Washington Redskins without getting punched in the face by any reporters, a positive in his opinion but not the only positive to take away from the three days of practice.
Zorn got to work implementing his version of the West Coast offense, and it's obvious it will be an offense that opens things up. Just watching the offense work, whether it was in shadow drills, 7 v. 7s or full team, you could see the differences in philosophy and sense that things will be more "aggressive." By that I mean, well, I'll steal from Antwaan Randle El here, the offense doesn't look like it will be as "handcuffed." At times, there were five receivers running routes -- something that hasn't been seen too often in Washington in recent years. Fred Smoot laughed when asked the last time he saw five receivers running out in front of him. "Hey, man, it's been a while. We didn't do that under Al [Saunders]. But you know, right now we got it going." Center Casey Rabach agreed: "I think we're definitely going to open some stuff up this year, obviously, and get some verticals down the field and hopefully make some big plays."
Zorn was around the quarterbacks for nearly the entire practice, working on different things from drop backs to throwing while rolling out in space, and, of course, the Madden-esque Pilates ball drill. There's no doubt he looks like a great teacher, and those around him have said as much, but it'll be interesting to see how he balances his time with the quarterbacks to take a look at the rest of the team. Zorn conceded that he didn't get a chance to see the linemen work other than when they were in contact drills with the rest of the team, and I'm not sure if he saw much of any of the other individual workouts. It was a minicamp, so this is the time for Zorn to work as much as he can with the QBs, no doubt. Still, how well he manages those duties with his head coaching responsibilities bears watching.
The defense has much less of a learning curve, "we basically just picking up where we left off," Smoot said. And you could see them flying around to the ball at times -- as evidenced with LaRon Landry "chasing down" Clinton Portis from behind on a screen play, or when he nearly crushed Santana Moss as he caught a pass coming across the middle from Jason Campbell. Landry looked very impressive, often nodding his head towards his coaches as if to say "I read that one all the way."
As was written in a notebook today, the thing to keep an eye on will be the defensive line and the health of the veterans. The decision not to draft a defensive end, like Phillip Merling or Calais Campbell, in the higher roundsl means the Redskins are gambling that Daniels, 35, will stay healthy. Daniels sounded confident that he was headed toward a good year (and yes, I know it's just May). He has jumped up nearly 20 pounds, he said it's the first offseason in a while in which he didn't have surgery, and he said he expected to bring enough of a push that he'd be facing lots of double teams. That all sounds well and good, and maybe he will have that type of year, but there is no disputing the fact that this line is getting old and the team will need to find some young players in the mold of Montgomery and Golston during camp. Players like Buzbee and the rookie Rob Jackson will certainly have the opportunity to prove themselves in camp and earn a roster spot.
Of course, the weekend ended with two polar opposite events. First, a fun 40-yard race between two of the most important pieces of the franchise, Portis and Landry, and I think Smoot summed up everyone's relief when he shouted while walking inside, "And we ain't got no pulled hamstring neither."
Then there was the Fred "Without a Trace" Davis drama. It's interesting; certainly, to hear the Redskins say the rookie overslept. While that may be the case, there are questions surrounding the episode. Why didn't his roommate -- whom Davis' brother spoke to -- wake him up? Why did it take so long to locate the kid if he was just oversleeping in his room? Did he request a single room? Obviously, there are probably some parts of the story that are being lost in this whole "he overslept" explanation.
Regardless, the point is: He missed his third day of work as a Washington Redskin. Not the best first impression to make, especially as a high second-round pick. The Redskins have to hope this is just one lapse in judgment, one mistake. And hey, it'll probably be something people look back on and laugh. But it's still something worth discussing and it's something worth keeping an eye on. And yes, I'm sure the rook will be taped to a goalpost as sort of a lesson from the veterans that, "If we have to wake up on time and get here, I don't care if you're on West Coast time, you better be here 20 minutes before me."
All in all, though, I think the Redskins got done what they wanted to get done with three days of practice in early May: They got an opportunity to get players on the field in front of a new coach and let him see exactly what he was working with. They got a chance to install parts of Zorn's West Coast offense. And, as if they didn't already know it, they were reminded that Landry and Portis are fast.
Zorn said the organized team activities, which begin today, will be less intense but are important as the team continues to install his offense. And come training camp, when things really start getting intense, there will be plenty to watch (in case you forgot, stuff like defensive line depth, offensive line depth, wide receiver development, Campbell's growth in the WC offense, punter competition, Zorn's ability to get a handle on everything, etc.).


By Cindy Boren  |  May 5, 2008; 12:42 PM ET
 
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Comments

Look how quickly "P-Ten" caught on! Oh yeah! Who says I got nothin' to contribute? Ha!

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I hope Mrs. Synder speedy and full recovery.

Posted by: jm220 | May 5, 2008 12:47 PM

Posted by: jm220 | May 5, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
never thought there could be a blog prima donna.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Eh....

Didn't Sean Taylor hinself change numbers once Smoot rolled out???????

And I am sure, Taylor had alot of #36s in circulation at the time.....

Posted by: 4th | May 5, 2008 12:44 PM

4th, ST changed his jersey after year one. It pointed to in the story thay after a certain number of years, if you have a number you are 'strongly encouraged' to keep it so it doesnt look like the nfl is trying to rachet up revenue on jersey sales.

Probably one other stupid thing in the CBA that is so weak.

Posted by: Zebra | May 5, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

So, Jim Zorn made it through his first minicamp as head coach of the Washington Redskins without getting punched in the face by any reporters...

LOL... Is that why JLC doesn't have the inside scoop anymore ;->

Posted by: Siris | May 5, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

every year its the same RECYCLED 'B' dot 'S'...

...the offense doesn't look like it will be as "handcuffed."

...something that hasn't been seen too often in Washington in recent years.

..."I think we're definitely going to open some stuff up this year, obviously, and get some verticals down the field and hopefully make some big plays."

*blah blah blah*
*yada yada yada*
>>
*yeah yeah yeah*
*harp harp harp*
>>
*sure sure sure*
*talk talk talk*

=

between 5-11 or 8-8.


Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

P-Ten was just making a little joke! Nice nickname...thanks, Nate!

Also, I'll repost this from the other thread:

For those who missed it, Daniel Snyder announced Saturday night that his wife, Tanya, is battling breast cancer and has undergone treatment at the Mayo Clinic. This can be a tough crowd, but I know everyone "up here" wishes her a speedy return to health.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/04/AR2008050402238.html

Posted by: Cindy | May 5, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I send my thoughts as well to the Snyder Fam......

Posted by: 4th | May 5, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Darn, you some fast hamsters!

No worse than 10th?

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"the Madden-esque Pilates ball drill."

Looks like Paul reads the comments 'Up Here'

Posted by: 4th | May 5, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry P-Ten is pretty weak.


Try again.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse


Jim Zorn is so zen.

Jim Zen...

--------------------

Zen made what I believe to be a revealing comment regarding Davis' "screw up."

He said something to the effect that Fred Davis is still a kid, and that kids do mess up, and as a rookie, how "mortified" Fred Davis must be feeling.

Got empathy?

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 1:00 PM

----------------

Forgive the repost, but I'd like to emphasize how cool our new head coach is.


Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"Smoot summed up everyone's relief when he shouted while walking inside, "And we ain't got no pulled hamstring neither." "

Soo, Smoot is saying they all have oulled hamstrings? In May??

Posted by: 4th | May 5, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow that was refreshing!! Condolences to JLA and his family but it is nice reading something without the jabs at management.

Posted by: Unbiased journalism | May 5, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

How about Paul "Two Oreo's short of a Dozen"

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

So who won the race between Landry and Portis?

Posted by: Mike Honcho | May 5, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

How bout " Oreo X"

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Landry won in a photo finish!

I had NO IDEA Clinton had that breakaway speed!

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I have a confession to make: Fred Davis is my room mate. Last night I crushed up some sleeping pills and put it in his drink. i turned his cell phone off and unplugged the alarm clock and telephone in his room to make sure he didnt wake up on time. Ok, now my conscience is clear.
Don't tell Zorn!

Posted by: Todd Yoder (aka talkshowhost) | May 5, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn conceded that he didn't get a chance to see the linemen work other than when they were in contact drills with the rest of the team, and I'm not sure if he saw much of any of the other individual workouts. It was a minicamp, so this is the time for Zorn to work as much as he can with the QBs, no doubt. Still, how well he manages those duties with his head coaching responsibilities bears watching."

"That all sounds well and good, and maybe he will have that type of year, but there is no disputing the fact that this line is getting old and the team will need to find some young players in the mold of Montgomery and Golston during camp."

"It's interesting; certainly, to hear the Redskins say the rookie overslept. While that may be the case, there are questions surrounding the episode. Why didn't his roommate -- whom Davis' brother spoke to -- wake him up? Why did it take so long to locate the kid if he was just oversleeping in his room? Did he request a single room? Obviously, there are probably some parts of the story that are being lost in this whole "he overslept" explanation."

I'm really sick of this constant negative tone. Really, this blog has just gone down the drain. All we hear is the constant negative conjectures made by this blogger, who clearly despises the Redskins. Hey JLC, why don't you just go back to Baltimore where you belong.

Oh wait, that wasn't JLC. Nevermind...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

He said something to the effect that Fred Davis is still a kid, and that kids do mess up, and as a rookie, how "mortified" Fred Davis must be feeling.

Got empathy?

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 1:00 PM

----------------

Forgive the repost, but I'd like to emphasize how cool our new head coach is.


Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 1:07 PM

CP - He's from the WC and that's pretty much how they talk over there. He's their Head Coach, not their buddy. He prob is just trying to get on the reporter's good side so they won't investigate anything.

To me, he sounding like he is getting his 'Coach Speak' fine tuned. Like Paul said, if Davis just over slept, then why didn't his roomate just wake him up? There's more to the story, though it will never get out.

Posted by: 4th | May 5, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Actually "P-Ten" thought Madden from the get go...his first file from that day:

Paul Tenorio reports:

Here at the start of the afternoon practice, one of Zorn's quirky quarterback drills has made its first appearance. No, not the slip n' slide, this instead is similar to a drill in the Madden video game training camp mode.

A quarterback stands in the middle of a circle surrounded by the other QBs and Zorn, and must avoid the large, silver exercise balls thrown at him as if avoiding on-rushing would-be sackers. If it were Madden and I had to guess, I'd say rookie Bret Meyer got the highest score...but I can't be too sure.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

LaRon Landry is a beast.

You think he's been spending some time in the weight room?

Holy Moly!

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"Still, how well he manages those duties with his head coaching responsibilities bears watching."

Looks like P-Ten has just a little bit of JLa in him too.

Posted by: Scribey | May 5, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

P-Ten sounds like P-Tent, so we'd be better calling him Johnny-on-the-spot or Paulie-on-the-spot.

ie. The P-Tents next to the Poo-Tents, etc. etc.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts and Prayers to the Snyder family.

CL said it best, there is RL, and then there is what we have here. Hopefully the two are never convoluted.

Posted by: Greg | May 5, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree the above post sounds like it could easily have been written by Janso (in a good way)..without the Snyder jabs I will give you.

Personally I like the healthy skeptisism and multiple angles.

Great post P-Ten...Thanks!

Posted by: chris larrY | May 5, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

4th,

I know.

Zorn is WC. I am WC, and Jim Zorn is sooooo not faking it.

That was genuine empathy he displayed, not coach speak.

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"To me, he sounding like he is getting his 'Coach Speak' fine tuned. Like Paul said, if Davis just over slept, then why didn't his roomate just wake him up? There's more to the story, though it will never get out."


-------


Um cuz he didn't have a roommate Sat. he switched rooms to get away from a talkative roommate that was keeping him up.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I have a confession to make: Fred Davis is my room mate. Last night I crushed up some sleeping pills and put it in his drink. i turned his cell phone off and unplugged the alarm clock and telephone in his room to make sure he didnt wake up on time. Ok, now my conscience is clear.
Don't tell Zorn!

Posted by: Todd Yoder (aka talkshowhost) | May 5, 2008 1:14 PM
LMAO

Posted by: jm220 | May 5, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to JM220!!!!!!! He's our 190,000th poster.

Posted by: Cindy | May 5, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Actually "P-Ten" thought Madden from the get go...his first file from that day:

Posted by: | May 5, 2008 1:16 PM

What are you talking about?? Where did that come from??

Here is the actual 1st posting from Paul and the 1st person to reference MAdden as well:

From Paul Tenorio:

Jim Zorn introduced one of his quirky quarterback drills during the second practice, working a drill in which a quarterback stands in the middle of a circle formed by other quarterbacks and avoids large pilates balls thrown at him.
"I just call it dodge ball and that is what we are doing," Zorn said. "We are trying to get the QB to actually move his feet. If we had a really tiny ball the QB's would just avoid with their upper body but with those bigger balls you have to actually move out of the way and sometimes that is what it feels like in the pocket. You are looking downfield but you feel something coming at you and you actually physically have to get out of the way."

By Cindy Boren | May 3, 2008; 7:12 PM ET

-------------------------------

"Jim Zorn introduced one of his quirky quarterback drills during the second practice, working a drill in which a quarterback stands in the middle of a circle formed by other quarterbacks and avoids large pilates balls thrown at him.
"
He stole this from the Madden Video games........
Posted by: 4th | May 4, 2008 7:42 AM

Posted by: 4th | May 5, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

P-Ten,

You're a rookie, dude? Did you make it to practice on time? Can you give some tips to the other rookies on how you did it?

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 5, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I promise, Coach - I won't ever do it again.

Posted by: Fred Davis | May 5, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted at 1:42 PM ET, 05/ 3/2008
JZ and JC (With Afternoon Update)

JReid send this note on the offense:

In another small step on offense, the Redskins began to install screen passes in the morning practice.
"When we put in another big group, you see things really working," Coach Jim Zorn said. "This was the first day we put in the screen, so that was very successful. The next time we run it, it may or may not work, because [the defense] ... they're going to adjust to what we're putting in as well.
"That's how offense and defense works. That's what makes football work. It's all about adjusting."


Paul Tenorio reports:

Here at the start of the afternoon practice, one of Zorn's quirky quarterback drills has made its first appearance. No, not the slip n' slide, this instead is similar to a drill in the Madden video game training camp mode.

A quarterback stands in the middle of a circle surrounded by the other QBs and Zorn, and must avoid the large, silver exercise balls thrown at him as if avoiding on-rushing would-be sackers. If it were Madden and I had to guess, I'd say rookie Bret Meyer got the highest score...but I can't be too sure.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

For being our 190,000th poster, jm220 wins - A FREE DOUBLE WHOPPER WITH CHEESE! Congratulations jm220, and enjoy your free lunch!

Posted by: not TheCindy | May 5, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, one of the other QB drills involves hitting one of three targets; one gold, one burgundy, one black.

The QB drops back and Jim Zen barks out which color?

;-)

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

For being our 190,000th poster, jm220 wins - A FREE DOUBLE WHOPPER WITH CHEESE! Congratulations jm220, and enjoy your free lunch!

Posted by: not TheCindy | May 5, 2008 1:27 PM

Does he have to come to the Post office to get it?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

There's more to the story, though it will never get out.

Posted by: 4th | May 5, 2008 1:15 PM

Agreed. Notwithstanding our short attention spans, the RI hamsters STILL want to know who painted Landry's rabachs in preseason 2007 ...

Posted by: dcsween | May 5, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm a social Liberal, but I want my football coaches to be Fascists.

Posted by: Corkczar


A Communist who likes Nazi football coaches?

rofl

Football is a metaphor for war, so what ever works for you.

Posted by: | May 4, 2008 10:55 PM

Interesting political views there, Corkczar.


A social liberal named Corkczar?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

For being our 190,000th poster, jm220 wins - A FREE DOUBLE WHOPPER WITH CHEESE! Congratulations jm220, and enjoy your free lunch!

Posted by: not TheCindy | May 5, 2008 1:27 PM

Does he have to come to the Post office to get it?

Posted by: | May 5, 2008 1:30 PM


No they'll mail it to him.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

True story, revealing as to how dumb I am:

Yesterday, Curzon used that term "rabachs" in one his posts, which left me scratching my head.

I picked up my Oxford dictionary and looked up "rabachs," to no avail, but I think I just figured it out.

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. Notwithstanding our short attention spans, the RI hamsters STILL want to know who painted Landry's rabachs in preseason 2007 ...

Posted by: dcsween | May 5, 2008 1:31 PM


Um, maybe you and a few others. the status of anothers "Bruce Smith" is something that i don't need to know. unless it affects where i lay my "bruce smith"

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

jm, congrats.

Don't let them sell you on the 'bonus points', like they did to me. Its a bunch of crap. Tried to go food shopping with them this weekend....that didn't turn out well at all.

Posted by: Greg | May 5, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

First I want to say F CL. I want to thank Nate and Lisa. They the real reason why I stay. lol

Posted by: jm220 | May 5, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Rabachs" should be right before Rabat, but after Rabaul, if I'm not mistaken.

What would the illustration look like?

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Lurn haow to spail furst.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Who let the anon out?

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The Davis thing:
It seems like the public is being left out of this incident. This may be okay. I know if I'm working on a new job (with huge bucks involoved), I'm doing everything I can to impress my boss. Oversleeping and missing practice isn't good. Now if the veteran guys had something to do with this, then fine - maybe is was some rookie hazing or something. I can only hope Fred Davis is more responsible than simply oversleeping, as stated.

Zorn with QB's:
I'm fine with this, Zorn needs to know these guys inside and out. Anything he can do to help JC along is definately needed. This is JC's coming out year, maybe next year given the fact he has a whole new offense to learn and get in sync with all the other players. Zorn needs to know each QB's strength and weakness and make decisions on playing time and play calling in different situations. I like the fact he's spending a lot of time with the QB's. It is the most important position on the field and we've been weak at this spot of quite some time.

Portis/Landry Race.
I like this, shows team cohesiveness and lets them have some fun. If one would have gotten hurt, then I wouldn't like this, lol. A friend said today, if pro athletes can't run without pulling a muscle then they shouldn't be playing pro football, weed them out early. I'm taking the younger faster LL in future races, not to take anything away from Cp and his speed.

Good mini camp, but the Redskins have so much work ahead of them. Getting the chemistry right this season will be close to impossible. I'm hoping the veteran team can pull through in the end.

Posted by: Rando | May 5, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Did I read correctly that Philip Daniels has jumped up nearly 20 lbs.? As in his playing weight? Wow, that's a solid addition in a 4 month span. Maybe he'll be moved to DT and be our new interior pass-rusher that we were looking for.

20 lbs in 4 months. I don't think I could do that if I tried, let alone be able to do it while staying physically fit. That's damn impressive.

Posted by: psps23 | May 5, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind Zorn's soundbites because he's trying to not turn the episode into a controvery/story and put added pressure on Fred Davis. But really I Davis is running all day until he pukes and passes out. Anything less than stern, visible discipline will be a tremendous disappointment to yours truly. It's a long slippery slope once the inmates get empathy at the assylum. Zen don't win football games...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't let them sell you on the 'bonus points', like they did to me. Its a bunch of crap. Tried to go food shopping with them this weekend....that didn't turn out well at all.

Posted by: Greg | May 5, 2008 1:38 PM

Greg,

Go to the gas station. You can trade them in for a lot of gas there.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 5, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

agreed with anon. This deserves an old-fashion response. Perhaps 30 gassers will help Mr. Davis be a little more prompt next time. Maybe 100 up-downs, will help him be more punctual.

Posted by: Greg | May 5, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Go to the gas station. You can trade them in for a lot of gas there.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 5, 2008 1:50 PM

You can trade them for a lot of gas at Taco Bell too.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Go to the gas station. You can trade them in for a lot of gas there.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 5, 2008 1:50 PM

Make sure you try to pump the gas before telling them that you're using your bonus points. They get confused and it takes forever otherwise.

Posted by: swb | May 5, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Hard returns, guys.

Like this. Do it in between paragraphs.

It's easier on the eyes when reading 600 words of text.

But I'm glad to see Zorn seems comfortable early on. Hopefully, this Fred Davis thing will pass quickly.

Hail.

Posted by: Hard Returns | May 5, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

This deserves an old-fashion response. Perhaps 30 gassers will help Mr. Davis be a little more prompt next time. Maybe 100 up-downs, will help him be more punctual.

Posted by: Greg | May 5, 2008 1:51 PM

Redskins can't really do any of this before he signs a contract. He's not practicing with the team now -- he's back in California.

Once he signs the contract, though....

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I believe the Redskins are offering a complementary*+ straw at the first home game of the season for all holders of RI points.

* with purchase of 10 year club-level season ticket
+ shipping and handling $5, local taxes may apply, limit 1 per customer

Best wishes to Mrs Snyder for a speedy recovery.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The Davis thing:
It seems like the public is being left out of this incident. This may be okay. I know if I'm working on a new job (with huge bucks involoved), I'm doing everything I can to impress my boss. Oversleeping and missing practice isn't good. Now if the veteran guys had something to do with this, then fine - maybe is was some rookie hazing or something. I can only hope Fred Davis is more responsible than simply oversleeping, as stated.

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For all you hating on Davis, I would love for all of you bust you butts for two days at your first NFL mini-camp and see how quick you are to get up on a Sunday.


Get off your High Horse and stepped down off the Soapbox.....the guy overslept.

everybody has done it before.......EVERYBODY!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so pump the gas first, then pay with my bonus points. Gotcha....I'm going to do this on the way home tonight.

How much gas should I purchase?? How many bonus points do I have?

Posted by: Greg | May 5, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

- Cedric Benson is drunk on a boat without a lifevest.

- Michael Boley is being charged with battery.

- Marvin Harrison or at least his gun his shooting at people.


Let Fred nap already.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

the guy overslept.

everybody has done it before.......EVERYBODY!!!!

Posted by: | May 5, 2008 2:04 PM

Hell, Rip Van Winkle not only missed training camp but the ENTIRE regular season. And he did it for 20 years straight.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 5, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"I was not intoxicated," Benson told the Chicago Sun-Times. "There was alcohol on the boat and others were enjoying themselves, but I wasn't drunk."

-espn.com

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm anon, I like to get on my high horse about everyone else being on their high horse about something.

I frequently shout people down in a bullying tone to accuse other people of bullying someone.

I suspect that other bloggers understand this makes me a hypocrit, but I'm not self-aware enough to comprehend the true irony of the situation.

Sorry, where was I? Oh yeah..


Boo! ...blog elite... ...shouting down... ...get with the program... ...blah blah blah...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Who among us has not been drunk, or "not drunk," on a boat without a life vest?

Who?

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

more info on SleepGate:

From John Clayton:
"5. No ZZZs with Zorn

New Redskins coach Jim Zorn had the most entertaining minicamp. Jason Campbell seems to be responding to Zorn's unique coaching methods. Clinton Portis, in his best shape as a Redskin, almost beat safety LeRon Landry in a match race. Landry ran a 4.35 40 coming out of college, but Portis wanted to challenge him. Then there was second-round pick Fred Davis. He couldn't sleep Saturday night because his roommate wouldn't shut up. So he went to the desk of the hotel and asked for a different room. He slept until 11 a.m., and the team couldn't find him because he wasn't in the right room. Zorn wants his players alert -- but Fred, tell the roommate to shut up and don't forget the wakeup call."

Posted by: 81 | May 5, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I would love for all of you bust you butts for two days at your first NFL mini-camp and see how quick you are to get up on a Sunday.

Posted by: | May 5, 2008 2:04 PM

I guess that anyone going through basic training in the military uses the same excuse all the time. I mean two whole days of vicious exercise. :)

Or maybe he just overdid the relaxation-juice on Saturday night.

I don't think you hang the guy for this but you DO hold him accountable. He's in a job now, he's not at school any more.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Chia Pet,

Boats were already too expensive, and when the cost of fuel went up I had to sell my life vests to buy beer for the cooler.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 5, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Beep beep; JReid spoke with Vinny Cerrato about Fred Davis.

Posted by: Cindy | May 5, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"I politely asked him why we needed to go to land to take more tests when I took every test. Then he sprayed me with mace, on his boat."

-Cedric Benson

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey t_e, maybe you could use the money from the life vests to upgrade the cooler and float in that instead?

So you could sell the boat and you could use the empty extra cans you could buy as some sort of auxiliary floatation devices - with some work of course.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Has "P-Ten" every heard of a paragraph break?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm anon, I like to get on my high horse about everyone else being on their high horse about something.

I frequently shout people down in a bullying tone to accuse other people of bullying someone.

I suspect that other bloggers understand this makes me a hypocrit, but I'm not self-aware enough to comprehend the true irony of the situation.

Sorry, where was I? Oh yeah..


Boo! ...blog elite... ...shouting down... ...get with the program... ...blah blah blah...

Posted by: | May 5, 2008 2:10 PM

Let me guess, another hypocrite whose NEVER overslept!

calling out "anons" as an "anon"?

priceless!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey t_e, maybe you could use the money from the life vests to upgrade the cooler and float in that instead?

So you could sell the boat and you could use the empty extra cans you could buy as some sort of auxiliary floatation devices - with some work of course.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2008 2:18 PM

Have you ever tried to sell a boat? It's easier to sell the empty beer cans or the life vests.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 5, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Who among us has not been drunk, or "not drunk," on a boat without a life vest?

Who?

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 5, 2008 2:12 PM


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Tell that Marquise Hill and his family.

Muscle doesn't float and life vests save lives (period)

If you spend much time being drunk on a boat without a life vest consider yourself luck to be alive.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

A good friend of mine said there's an old saying that the two best days of your life are when you buy a boat and when you sell it.

I guess you'd have those two reversed! :)

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

i'm lucky to be alive

Posted by: bryant mckinnie | May 5, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

so who's davis' snoring roommate?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I guess that anyone going through basic training in the military uses the same excuse all the time. I mean two whole days of vicious exercise. :)

Posted by: Redcoat

stupid stupid analogy, your point is totally moot.

It's kind of hard to oversleep when you share a barrack with 20+ guys and revelry is blasting in the early morning.

The guy changed rooms so he could get some sleep.

Again, what a completely idiotic thing to say.

Another High Horse, Soap bOx idiot.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Do you actually understand what the word 'moot' means anon?

And I believe they sound 'reveille' in the morning, 'revelry' was presumably what was keeping Davis up in the first place.

From your continual use of the phrase 'high horse' I'd say you have some issues you need to deal with there, son.

There are no high-horses here, we're in the blogosphere now. Whisper it quietly but we're all actually equal here, so try not to project your prejudices onto everyone else if you can. It makes for much more interesting conversation rather than the trite banal 'you suck' stuff when everyone contributes.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

There are a lot of good days in between when you pull the kids on tubes, knee boards, water skis, etc. And, of course, the "in between" period is extended by the difficulty of finding a willing buyer.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 5, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

red coat,

I love how Red Coat spell checks from his high horse.

comparing oversleeping a mini-camp to someone oversleeping in boot camp?

Come on, you don't expect to be call out for that.

It was a stupid comment, you sound like Rosie O'Canfora!


Posted by: Anonymous | May 5, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

That's basically what my friend went on to say t_e.

He also said that the whole boat thing was a quote-unquote 'weeping sore' in his marriage from the day he bought it until the day he sold it at, of course, a huge loss!

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe young Mr. Davis was at Room 871 in the Mayflower Hotel...

Posted by: Ashley Alexandra Dupre | May 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Damn! I should have bought the boat from your friend, not from the dealer. He sold it at a huge profit.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 5, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations anon, your IQ continues to decline in inverse proportion to your rising righteous indignation.

It's not being in need of a spell checker when you insert a completely different word in your sentences, it's malapropism, without the humo(u)r.

And your posts are so very humo(u)rless.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure you would have enjoyed buying that boat t_e, you'd have had to travel to sydney to pick it up!

Would have been a fun sailing trip back though.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"malapropism"? First time up on Redskins Insider. Redcoat continues to push the envelope with pearls before swine.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 5, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Sadly I guess I'm just continuing to confirm my position as an elitist. *sigh*

Hey t_e, it looks like we have our own mini-version of one of those treehouse thingies. Should we try to make this "boating and boating products" related while it lasts?

I must warn you I have precious little knowledge of the on-water recreational life, I didn't got bitten by the bug - particularly once I realised that I swim like a stone. But I can pun with the worst of them!

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

rc--

I, personally am scared of boats. But we bought a home on the Eastern Shore of Virginia. There are 21 barrier islands, and you can only reach three of them by car. If you have a boat your family can be the only people on an 8-mile long Atlantic beach. So, we took the plunge and I became semi-competent, although now I worry I lost my limited boating skills over the winter. Some of the life-long boaters down there enjoy watching me dock and are generous in offering advice on how I can do it better next time and with less damage to the boat.

Sort of like you explaining a malapropism. Only they don't point out that my iq declines each time I crash into the dock, even if that's what they're probably thinking.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 5, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a good trade t_e, overcoming your fears (somewhat) for the promise of idyllic quality time with the family in return.

My experience of boating people is that they're a friendly lot, particularly if they realise that you're not 'competing' with them (who's the best sailor, has best boat, etc.) and as long as you can afford the repairs, just keep truckin' your own way!

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

RC,

Hard to say about boaters. Mine is a power boat, not a sailboat so the people are different, and the people on the Eastern Shore are just different than the people who live around DC. But they're eager to help. First time we were trying to trailer the boat they could see we didn't know what we were doing and they kind of pushed us aside and did it all for us. I tried to get their cel phone number so I could call them the next time I was trailering the boat.

And, while we're up here chatting off line, I just wanted to say thanks for the feedback that you gave me the other day. You're the faerie in Burns "Would some faerie the giftie gi'e us to see ourselves as others see us." Or, where I worked before I retired, they said "feedback is a gift."* Even when it doesn't come in pretty wrapping paper with bows on it.

*They said this because the people who gave feedback didn't really know how to do it, so they tried to brainwash us that getting peed on was a good thing.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 5, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

You have my enduring admiration if you steer a power boat around. If I got behind the wheel of one of those things I'm fairly sure that I'd just power-dive it straight into the closest rock/river bank/cliff! I find myself 'marginally competent' in these areas and prefer to leave it to others because of that. A man's got to know his limitations, as Clint once said.
As for your 'feedback', although it was what I felt I was very disappointed with the 'wrapping paper and bows' I put around it, hence my asking Cindy to remove. Stuff like that should have been handled off-line and preferably over many beers. Are you coming to DC for the june meet-up?

The one thing that disappoints me about the blog these days is that there are so many 'cranky' posts out there that I think it makes us all a little shorter with each other than we should, and I'm becoming one of the worst for that. I have to do better.

It sounds like you've worked for some of the same companies as I did/do! But if you got out I'm glad to hear that there is potentially light at the end of the tunnel - I have waaay too many years to go to be able to believe other!

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Thats it. Im getting a Landry jersey!

Posted by: Leacher | May 5, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis - Cerrato's "Sleeper Pick"

Posted by: Old Joke | May 5, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Zorn runs his first camp
Players and press are impressed
All kneel before Zorn!

Posted by: Redcoat | May 6, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

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