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Pucillo On IR\Practice Update

Reserve C Mike Pucillo, suffering from back problems, was put on IR, ending his season. He could not practice again this week. Pete Kendall has been the emergency center, and Mr. Utility Lorenzo Alexander has takedn Pucillo's spot as the tackle eligible. G Rick DeMulling can do so as well.

The Skins activated OT Kevin Sampson from the practice squad to take Pucillo's roster spot.

From what we saw in practice, looked like everyone was back in some capacity. FB Mike Sellers (concussion) was participating, though we will have to see whether in a full capacity or not. WR Keenan McCardell (calf) was catching balls, and TE Todd Yoder (knee) was back in pads as well.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 27, 2007; 12:14 PM ET
 
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Dear Redskins,

Please destroy Dallas this Sunday.

Sincerely,

A loyal fan

Posted by: bzn01 | December 27, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Big loss, how will they ever recover? They just aren't that use to key injuries.

Posted by: sams3 | December 27, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

NOT POOOCH!!!!

Posted by: joemag97 | December 27, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

ANYONE BUT POOOCH!

Posted by: sams3 | December 27, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

from the previous thread: "(I smell playoffs, followed by another heartbreaking "we're only one player away" free agent binge...)"

I truly believe this team, with these core players, is capable of winning a super bowl. It's incredible how much we've had to deal with this season, and now we're starting to see what a quasi-healthy, inspired redskins roster can do. To me, there really are no "holes" that need to be plugged, just some quality depth players to rotate in. The only position i see possibly worrying about is filling in for rocky mac if you don't think Blades/Godfrey/Campbell are reliable. With the way this team is playing now, i feel like we can beat anyone. Now imagine adding Carlos Rogers, Randy Thomas, Jon Jansen, Jason Campbell (with another offseason of study under his belt), and some solid draft picks. This team wants no binges, this team needs no binges.

Posted by: psps23 | December 27, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I keep telling you guys. If he's getting himself into playing shape, LaVar makes a perfect one-year replacement for Rocky at weak side linebacker. Knows the scheme, knows the organization, sells jerseys, available for probably little more than the vet minimum.

That said, lets save this talk of "filling holes" for the offseason (or for late night Cinemax). BEAT DALLAS!

Posted by: LiberalMike | December 27, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Things are feeling pretty good now but lets not get carried away. We certainly could use some help at WR. As far as this season goes I am on the magic carpet ride and as proud to be a Redskins fan as I ever have been.

Posted by: nannook44 | December 27, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

psps23

Kudos to the Skins for pulling together and playing good football at the end of the season. Mad props to Gregg Williams for scheming his ass off to hide significant deficiencies in the secondary. But the Skins secondary has significant holes in it that need to be addressed in the off season, and a couple of "depth" players isn't going to cut it.

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 27, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse


Anyways, the way i look at it, next year we will have one last chance at the Super Bowl before having to cut Marcus Washington, Griffin, Springs, Portis and Brunell... Those guys will hit the cap pretty hard, so 09 will be a pretty bad year as far as the cap is concerned and I am sure Gibbs won't coach more than one more year...

9-7 babyyyyyyyyyyyyyy....

Posted by: bethesdaboy1 | December 27, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

One thing you have to give the Gibbs 2 teams is they play in December.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 27, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

LM, you've got to put the "bring back Lavar" thing to bed dude. First, there is the rift between Lavar, and Snyder, then there is the rift between Greg Williams, and Lavar.

Its just not ever happening. Ever.

Maybe he does a one day, sign, and retire as a Redskin, but Lavar has as much chance of suiting up for the Redskins as I do.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 27, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington will be around for a long time. He will take a pay decrease since his performance has been lacking from the 2005 bar he set so high.

He is an emotional leader on teh field, when he is up and jumping the whole team seems to respond with that energy.

Posted by: sams3 | December 27, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Sam3 is right, if the skins want to keep guys they will find a way.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 27, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

thongs

Posted by: jm220 | December 27, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Guys like that are the teams backbone. Even if he isn't playing at a probowl level anymore he raises the performance of everyone around him. The skins find a way and the players believe in the team so they are willing to negotiate, all but shawn springs that is. The man has been on fire though so i guess he doesn't have to renegotiate at this point.

Posted by: sams3 | December 27, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh, no! Big Puccy's out for the year? Who in the hell am I going to pile on for name-mocking, now? At the rate we're going, almost every single depth-charted position on the team will eventually lead down to Lorenzo 'New Slash' Alexander in some matter of fashion.

Yoke the 'Pokes? Sheesh, I need to work on a better battlecry.

Posted by: FlimFlam | December 27, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Now that Pooch is out who can they put in to get completely dominated???? Maybe a chipmunk?

Posted by: sams3 | December 27, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I live in az and don't get too much redskins out here. What is the consensus on the play of Reed Dougherty? He looks good to me.

Posted by: bryaningrocery | December 27, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Reed has been ok. He's had some good, and some bad moments. He needs to learn to turn and look for the ball when its in the air. I think he could be more than a serviceable starter. With a full training camp, he should get better.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 27, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I think he has been doing great. You never really see him make a awful mistake. He roves around alot near the LOS but he doesn't look too lost when playing back. I think he is a great find for the 6th round.

Posted by: sams3 | December 27, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I think the really encouraging thing about the skins this year is the young guys that have been steping up. A Mont looks like he is turning into a beast on the line and Golston is playing well too. H.B. Blades seems like he will develope (hopefully) into a great backup lb for years. Do we need to get younger on the O-line though?

Posted by: bryaningrocery | December 27, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

O-Linemen can usually play pretty well at later ages. They need to bring people in so that you aren't loosing your whole line when they all age though. The main concern is LG in my opinion.

Side note: I hope H.B developes into a starter not a backup.

Posted by: sams3 | December 27, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

yeah, kill the bring back LaVar plot. although i thought Tre Johnson would never return from hiatus and he did. Nobody mentioned the fact we could use another stud DE to replace an aging (but still quotable) Daniels. I like the development of Golston & Montgomery in the middle. Salavea's a distant memory now and Griffin could soon be also.

Posted by: gregskins | December 27, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the phoning this one in, I've been in holiday mode for too long.

Merry and Happy etc.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 27, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

(feel good comment about still being in the playoff hunt)

(Observation about who is hurt this week -- serious worry about upcoming game with Dallas)

(Mandatory statement about how we can beat Dallas, if only the Redskins staff would see it my way)

(Completely misplaced comment about who the Redskins need to draft this spring...with optional comment about salary cap agony)

(sincere HAIL!, because every single regular season game in 2007 has been and will be a meaningful one)

Sorry about the phoning this one in, I've been in holiday mode for too long.

Merry and Happy etc.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 27, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"Side note: I hope H.B develops into a starter not a backup."

Any rookie that gets playing time (and looks as good as HB) has a great chance. Not sure what the difference is between a starter and backup in William's system though.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 27, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Griff is still the only DT we have that can get pressure up the middle. Golston is fine but he's not a pass rusher. Monty is an animal but he aslo doesn't flush the pocket like Griff can. Griff is very inconsistant at this point in his career but when that man is on he is ON.

If they replace daniels they would have to replace him witha 3-4 style end, otherwise 2 undersized ends and fairly undersized LBs would spell the end of the rush D. If they could be lucky enough to find a big end that can put on a pass rush the D would be where they need to be for sure.

Posted by: sams3 | December 27, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"Side note: I hope H.B develops into a starter not a backup." - I said this in response to bryaningrocery's post.

I suppose by starter I meant London Fletcher. lol

Posted by: sams3 | December 27, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I think the skins should use their first pick on the best pass rusher available in the draft, whether it's a d-end or a stud linebacker. Andre Carter is pretty good, but we need someone who can come in and really wreak havoc on an opposing offense. Right now we don't have that guy. Williams schemes have been working well lately, but our sacks have come from all over the place. I've given up on M Washington in the 3 pt stance; seems very ineffective there, but still a great cover guy. Hate to admit it, but we could really use someone in the Demarcus Ware mold.......or just a really good end as Daniels seems to be on his last legs. Secondary seems okay, but could use a little more depth, so mid to late pick or free agent there; hopefully Rogers can come back.....more worried about Mcintosh. I think Landry's a stud and Doughty is playing better now that he is in the "strong" role. Rest of the picks on offensive lineman, and maybe a tall WR. But that's just me......

Posted by: dlhaze | December 27, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Sam, I'm a slow typer; just read your note after posting mine.....my sentiments exactly.

Posted by: dlhaze | December 27, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

sams3,
HB is the future, man; and LF is the real deal. I think you're on target about HB's future and he's learning from the best. Pound for pound, London is a real monster.

The fact that they didn't draft DL last year meant that they were confident in who they had. It seems they have made progress, but I agree that they need someone up there that always needs a double team to really provide pressure.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 27, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, you forgot

F {arbitrary group or individual, with optional mISCapITaLiZatIOn}

Posted by: daggar | December 27, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I was watching NFL tonight (or some such ESPN program) and they did a little piece on Montgomery showing him eating up guys one-on-one. Dallas O-line is good, though way too many made the pro bowl, it will be interesting to watch him against them and see what kind of push he generates. I think he is gonna turn into a guy that will demand a double team often.

Posted by: bryaningrocery | December 27, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

daggar,
right on.
Thanks!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 27, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Who were those masked men who went against the best offensive line in the NFC and created chaos early in the game, resulting in a safety and 2 points?

Oh, that's right - it was Golston and Montgomery.

Posted by: tafka | December 27, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Steinberg waxes run-on regarding ruinromo.com:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/12/a_ruinromo_qa.html

Posted by: tafka | December 27, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Skins have plenty of holes. The DBs have been OK because Springs and Smoot have played really well ... and they've played Rex Griese, Eli Manning and Tavaris in the last 3 games. But against any top 10 passing team, the DBs are very thin.

The LBs are in decent shape, even without Rocky, but depth is an issue. Fletcher is a stud. The D line has been good as well. Williams uses a lot of players, and its a pretty good mix of vets and youth.

On offense, its the O line. Thats where you draft at the top and use 3 picks on that. WR needs the next Art Monk, if that is available, I'd jump on with FA or the draft. Paired with Campbell for years and years.

Bottom line is 3 young starters are not going to be there in 2008 for this team. Rocky, Rogers and of course, #21. That is a lot to fill.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 27, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Scariest feeling for any Redskins player:

Seeing Lorenzo Alexander taking reps at your position.

Posted by: tafka | December 27, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Scariest feeling for any Redskins player:

Seeing Lorenzo Alexander taking reps at your position.

Posted by: tafka | December 27, 2007 02:44 PM

We're looking at you, Rock.

Posted by: jspaceman72 | December 27, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"Didn't everyone get Redskins Crocs for Christmas?"

F cHRIS lARRY.

Posted by: tafka | December 27, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse


Please draft the following:

1st- CB (Springs replacement)
2nd- WR
3rd- OL (Guard)
5th- DE
6th- QB
7th- DT

Please pick up via FA

1) CB- Springs is still playing well but he's older; Smoot is playing well but injury prone, and Rogers may be out all next season.
2) WR- go big, but don't break the bank.
3) LB- only if they insist. I don't see Washington here past next season.
4) DE-

That's it...

I think Fred Smoot's presence has been understated. Most thought he'd come as a nickel corner. He gets picked on every week and plays solidly. Also, Reed Doughty has been solid and plays well without trying to do too much.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Anyone got any Grey Goose?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Steinberg waxes run-on regarding ruinromo.com:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/12/a_ruinromo_qa.html

Posted by: tafka | December 27, 2007 02:33 PM


That's the longest sentence I've ever seen.

Posted by: trink | December 27, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

First off, we need another great game from our players. Beating a playoff bound Dallas team will not be as easy as it seems. Its been a tough four weeks, but we dug our own hole and now we're working out of it. Beat Dallas, and we're the hot NFC team going into the playoffs.

Second, kill the salary cap talk....it all works out and most fans know little about it and how it works. Its good off season fodder.

Third, areas needed. High draft picks should be used on skill players mainly. We need need 3 db, 2 wr, 1 saftey, 2 lb, and 2 pass rushers(lb or end). Not to mention a couple offensive linemen. We don't have enough draft picks to get all what we need. Hopefully, Joe Gibbs only signs solid free agents. ie. M.Washington, Thomas, Fletcher, ARE. I think our scouts need to scour the unsigned free agent market, again (Heyer).

This season is not over, beat Dallas and we have a winnable game in Seattle. After that I think its GB, whom we should have beaten first time around. This team can make a long run,,,,,if not go. Washington is the scariest team in the NFC to play, currently.

Posted by: Rando | December 27, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The LaVar talk is crazy talk.

The guy we need is out there, available, rested. And, despite what you hear, motivated to come back:

Priest Holmes

(in honor of Periculum)

Posted by: farstriker | December 27, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

i think we have needs at a lot of places. we need a cornerback, but not to replace springs, to replace rogers. even before he got injured he was not playing that well for us. he gets burned constantly. smoot is a much better man-on guy, and that allows us to blitz more. isn't asante samuel a free agent after this season? not sure. but rogers is at best, a career nickel.

i think a pass rushing dt/de is critical for us. we have someone good there, it'll help us get by without rocky for the season.

at wr, we need someone who'll stay fairly healthy. moss and randel el are pretty good, when they both can play together. but that's rare. not sure about the draft, but bryant johnson, a fa from arizona could be pretty good if he gets the reps. 6'3", fast, and he shouldn't cost much at all. worth bring in, and dumping that other wr. a group of moss, randle el, johnson, caldwell, and thrash is not bad. no one dominant, but very solid depth. t. glenn will probably be available, but he's also very injury prone. technically, randy moss will be a free agent :-)

since our draft pick will probably be in the 20s, i think we just go with whoever is the best player at the dl, cb, wr spots. in that order. good o-lineman can be had in rounds 2-5. same with good linebackers. even good wrs. dl and cb, after the first 2 rounds gets pretty thin.

Posted by: segastyle | December 27, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Most horrific way to go out:

Eaten alive by Tatiana, the SF zoo lion, or being burned at the stake?

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 27, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I think that Matt Jones, from Jacksonville, might be available as well. He hasn't lit it up in J-ville, but could use a change of scenery. 6'6, 240, and ran a 4.37 in the 40 at the combine. Could also be the 3rd string qb, as that was his position at Arkansas. If they dump him this off season, the Redskins need to pounce.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 27, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I'll take, "eaten alive" for $300....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 27, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm not trying to be a downer, but I wish the NFL had left our game at 1:00. Anyone noticed that we have lost EVERY 4:15 game we have played this season (and won every night game)?? 4:15 is NOT our friend.

Another thought - why in the heck is everyone talking about Springs leaving? That would be an asinine move seeing that Rogers will probably not be ready by next season. Not to mention the fact our beloved Reaper is also lost from the secondary.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 27, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I could easily see Springs transitioning into the safety position. He's got a good enough grasp of the defense, and he's got good enough skills.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 27, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Greg, he has actually been playing some safety. I just can't imagine why we would release him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 27, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Lavar back...wow...thats never gonna happen....LM thats ridiculous......

Lisa: I think the Springs thing is up to him, not the skins really...i would love him back, but seems as if hand writing is on the wall....but i will say there is a higher chance of him staying than there was 14 weeks ago...

Sadly no skins crocs, but did get wool lined ones! oh yeah!

F cHriS LARRy

Posted by: chrislarry | December 27, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse


I could easily see Springs transitioning into the safety position. He's got a good enough grasp of the defense, and he's got good enough skills.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 27, 2007 04:08 PM

Greg,

Are you talking about doing this for next season? I'm skeptical because

1. I don't think Springs would be durable enough to last 16 games at safety even if GW re-jiggers his secondary to have Springs play the center field currently occupied by Laron Landry.

2. If this were done, who would the Skins 2nd corner be? And their 3rd CB?

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 27, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

center field = center field fs position

why proof read when you can submit a clarification post

All hail the Boren Ultimatum

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 27, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - We're 0 for 2 with 4:15 games, right? One of those being the Pats, not as bad as it seems IMO...

Posted by: chris_skins_balt | December 27, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Adam, thanks for the discussion. I think that the Redskins need to bring in at least 2 new cb's, one through the draft, and one through free agency. Please do not sign Assante Samuel however.

You have a point about where to play him, I'd hate to move Landry, I think he needs to get comfortable back there.

Maybe I spoke too soon....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 27, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

0-3 at 4 PM, but the 3 teams played were

9/23 vs. Giants (#5 seed in NFC)
10/28 @ Patriots (undefeated team, #1 seed in AFC)
11/18 @ Cowboys (#1 seed in NFC)

You're 0-3 because of the opposition, not the start time

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 27, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Most horrific way to go out:

Eaten alive by Tatiana, the SF zoo lion, or being burned at the stake?

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 27, 2007 03:55 PM

Tiger. Not to mince cats or anything.

Slowly devoured by fire ants, or gouged by Tasmanian devils?

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 27, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Here's a wacky hypothetical just to keep this discussion going. Eagles cut Brian Dawkins at some point in the 2008 pre-season (disclaimer: I would be surprised but not shocked by this event. If it were to happen, I'd expect to happen late into the pre-season after the Eagles concluded that his dropoff was continuing and was not fixed by off season rest/recovery/rehab)

Would the Skins try the following

1. Sign Dawkins at a probable discount to play SS, keeping Landry in his current FS role and leaving Reed D as a reasonable (to high quality) 3rd safety
2. Keep Smoot and Springs as the starting corners
3. Look to move Pierson Prelou to some sort of 3rd/4th corner role handling zone and slot receiver coverage
4. Hope they could slide by with their existing core of CB propects (i.e. Leigh Torrance and ???) though improvement and some creative scheming

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 27, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

SMACK

I'd go with eaten by Tasmanian Tigers :)

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 27, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Okay, serious question on the ruinromo thing - do I really make four masks for me and my seatmates? My seats are in the last row (and I mean the very top, last row), so it's not like he'd see us and he probably won't play the whole game. What do you think?

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 27, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead and make the masks! He won't be able to see it, but maybe a camera will zoom in there to find you. Plus it's just flat out funny for 90k plus fans to do it.

Posted by: cdelftwenty | December 27, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I really have nothing to say today, but just wanted to contribute to the ultimatum:

Beat Dallas.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 27, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

via scout.com

Joe Gibbs says: On the magnitude of the game: "I guess because it's now, it's as important as any game I've been a part of. I know how hard we worked. Last year was one of the most disappointing years. A lot of the things that happened to us this year were emotionally the hardest things I've ever been through. When you put it in that context, it becomes as big as any game I've been a part of."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 27, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

while i'm not sure about asante samuel's attitude, i don't think we can question his skills. the man is have another excellent season. another possibility is deangelo hall. atlanta might be willing to part with him after his remarks earlier this year, plus i think he only has one year left? other than that, it's slim pickings out there.

not sure why we're even talking about springs playing safety. at this point, he's still our best corner. even if we wer to get someone like samuel or hall, i'd still put springs and smooty up for the number 2 spot. let them battle it out each week.

regardless, let's not reach in the draft. whether we take a dl or db with our first pick, chances are they're going to be in the rotation with our current guys, not completely taking over and upgrading the spot their rookie year.

heck, if no one worth it is there at those 2 areas, maybe we trade down for an extra 2 and 3 or 4. give us depth at a lot of positions. the cb crop is rather week this year....

Posted by: segastyle | December 27, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

The reason I brought up Springs is because several newspaper articles I've read indicate this will be his last season with the team (but then again what does the media really KNOW?). Personally, I think it would be asinine to cut him even though he carries a high price tag. Rogers most likely will not be back for awhile, so that would leave us with Smoot and ?? Not to mention Springs has been playing great!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 27, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I like SSprings and FSmoots, but neither are going to give us 16-20 games per year (not counting preseason). Springs, when healthy, is an excellent cover guy. IMO, I'm not sure he's physical enough or durable enough to play safety in GW's scheme. He needs to stay at Cb. Smoot is the same but a notch below Springs. I thought he was a good pickup for nickel and dime packages and now he's playing great as a starter. I don't think we rely on those two for another season. We need two to three more cb's, one to start and one to develop. Also, I think cornerbacks are a rare breed and you can tell if they can play during their rookie season. They either got or they don't. Torrence may get a little better but wouldn't expect him to start for any NFL team, regularly.

I love Lavar Arrington. He was a very good Redskin and got shafted by mutliple defensive coaching changes and caught up in times of redskin turmoil. He found the downside of GW and coach Gibbs, unfortunately. His speed and reckless abandon play was fun to watch. QB's and off coordinators hated playing against him. He demanded respect. That said, his undisciplined play was his downfall and leaving Washington was a sad day for me, but understandable. IMO, he must not be able to pass a physical or he would be playing somewhere. His knee is messed up, his motorcycle wreck hurt - maybe he can get one or two more seasons, but I doubt it. And I know it won't be with the Redskins. I love Lavar and wish he was still blowing up Dallas quarterbacks....knockouts.


Someone mentioned above...we lost three young guns on defense (Taylor, Rock, and Carlos) It will be tough to replace those guys and its like rebuilding again, piece by piece. Its bad luck, but we'll get thru it.

Posted by: Rando | December 27, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Springs will get his contract restructured and all the articles are just noise. The media is talking about it, because speculation is what they do best.

He's the best corner we've got.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 27, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Happy birthday, MadDog.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 27, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

F ScoTT fItzGEralD!

Posted by: freakzilla | December 27, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Adam/argh, did you say it's your birthday or did I misread that? Happy birthday to you as well as Mad Dog, dude.

Re: NW travels, naturally I would vote Portland, but to be honest if you had to pick one, you should probably go up to Vancouver, BC.

Hair of the Dog is very much in bizness, btw.
http://www.hairofthedog.com/index.html

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 27, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I am with you in hoping Shawn stays around. He's still our #1 corner, though I guess if they get into another slapfight about restructuring his contract maybe he could get cut. But that would have seemed a lot more likely if Carlos hadn't gotten hurt. With Carlos on the shelf, I think you HAVE to keep Springs.

Just like last season, the Skins FO will probably try to bluff Springs and get him to restructure, but I think Springs has more leverage, even more than last offseason.

(A coaching change, which I'm glad to say looks less and less likely, would cause me to revisit this.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 27, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

I'm think about to PayPal for 8 LL (Section 112 Row D)tickets. If the game is on Saturday, I'll no doubt be expecting your attendance.

Adam,

Sorry for interjecting here without your express written consent, however, as a DC to Portland transplant, I'd visit Vancouver if I had 2-3 extra days. But, if you only have an extra day or two, PDX is the way to go. Very manageable city with tons to do, great bar scene and fantastic restaurants . In addition, everyone here is over the top friendly...very unlike those unruly Canadiens to the north.

Posted by: dchandl3 | December 27, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Nate, tell the whole world about Hair of the Dog.

geesh!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 27, 2007 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Okay, Hair of the Dog is out there...


Visitors here's one you should know about too.

http://www.dougfirlounge.com/

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 27, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Adam,

If you do make the trek south to PDX, you've got to go here and try out some their concoctions in the botique. Great stuff.

http://www.medoyeff.com/

Posted by: dchandl3 | December 27, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the place to go to get a beer at 6 in the morning.


There's this one bar in Melbourne, FL -- I forget the name, and I never went there -- but I believe that their hours are from midnight to 5 AM.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 27, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the place to go to get a beer at 6 in the morning.

And by this I was referring to Hair of the Dog.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 27, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Pac NW represent!

Love it when the east coast goes home and we have the place to ourselves for a while.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 27, 2007 7:45 PM | Report abuse

There I go again, shutting down the blog.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 27, 2007 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but it's like 2-4 pm PCT in the off-season right now (S-L-O-W).

my beer whistle goes off in 38 minutes.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 27, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Best Christmas present this year:
Long sleeve curly R tee (burgundy).

Second best: Socks

Hey there was a big gap this year.

HAIL!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 27, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Redskins items I received for Christmas:

white Sean Taylor replica jersey
white Sean Taylor t-shirt (the one from Redskins store)
black lightweight thermal exercise shirt with zip-up collar
LogoArt watch (this one)
http://www.nflshop.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2720963&cp=&pg=3&sr=1&origkw=redskins+watch&kw=redskins+watch&parentPage=search
keychain
75th anniversary window clings
Mug

Not a bad haul.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 27, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

zilla,

gameday option...
http://www.ondecksportsbar.com/
stumped out

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 27, 2007 8:20 PM | Report abuse

A twofer here:

Redskins 27, Cowboys 14

Redskins 31, Seattle 17

Posted by: Soups1 | December 27, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, wish I could, because I think it would be a lot of fun. Having dinner at my sis-in-law's on Sunday evening, though, so I'm going to have to stay local.

For that matter, I wouldn't be able to make it down by gametime anyway, since we're not usually home from church until at least 11:30 (if we go to morning service, which we will this week).

Posted by: freakzilla | December 27, 2007 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson was 16 for 30, 223 yards and a touch last time he played us. That was our first walk around the block with the new offensive scheme. But Brad thinks it was all him. Let's let him know we remember Sunday....

Posted by: Soups1 | December 27, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson? You mean that guy on that old McDonald's commercial? He plays fubball?

Posted by: freakzilla | December 27, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson will not be intimidated at all. In fact, he will be motivated... quite motivated.

I don't expect an easy game to say the least.

I hope I am wrong; but the longer Dallas is in this game, the more the Skins will get tight... ala conservative.

Don't be surprised if this one is a 17-16 type of game.

Hope I am wrong and we kick the cowgirls!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 27, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Reading the roster talk by some my fellow Skins fans:

1- Yes, we must get rid of some of the older guys going with younger guys.
But who?
With Carlos, and Rocky going down I think it limits what we might have done [Springs, Marcus Washington]

2- Brunell will be gone. Todd Collins will get a raise as the #2 QB and they will get a young #3. Maybe Hollenbach will stay as #3.

3- I do feel they'd like to replace a couple of guys like Griffen or Daniels next year, but they need someone to step up to do that.

4- McCardell may not be back, but I hope Reche Caldwell is. I do think he has upside, and has shown he can catch the ball unlike Taylor Jacobs. Also it might be time for James Thrash to go.

Meanwhile, lets win Sunday...
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 27, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

I agree with most of the others on the board that the talk of Springs leaving is due to his refusal to take a pay cut this past offseason.

You are right that he is playing lights out and I would love for him to stay, but I just don't see it happening unless he (and various others in the class of '04) agrees to a cut.

Posted by: johnw | December 27, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Look for Barno Santa right behind the Dallas bench on Sunday. Last time he was there, we beat Dallas 35-7.

On a totally unrelated topic, there are some really great jessica simpson/nick lachey posters out there.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 27, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Before everyone starts buying their playoff tickets, it's worth repeating: We have NOT won all season while playing at 4:15. 0-3 at 4:15. Someone mentioned earlier that this was due to the opponents we played at that time....well, one of those 4:15 opponents was the Cowboys. This just freaks me out.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 27, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Ruinromo will go only so far. I firmly believe Brad Johnson will go into the game. All you brazillient thinkers on this blog NEED to come up with the "face" that will razz him out of his mind. Jeff George?? Who??

Posted by: Xlnt | December 27, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I understand your anxiety on a superstitious level about the 4:15 kickoff Sunday.

Another way to look at it is that the past two weeks we've been 'flexed' to a more prominent airtime, and we won both of those games.

On some level these time changes indicate how our beloved team is surging, and as long as that surge continues, I am not overly concerned with the kickoff time. Just the latest opportunity to demonstrate something, that's all this is.

For what it's worth, I would also note that we have not fared well in prime time games over the past few years (that's apocryphal, I have NO stats to back it up), but we got the prime time monkey off our back this season, going 4-0. So maybe we can get the late afternoon monkey off our back as well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 27, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

lisa are you just looking to backdoor your date with ricky bobby????????

b-e-l-i-e-v-e

Posted by: chrislarry | December 27, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, if it will help, this gives St. Joe three more hours to prepare.

Posted by: daggar | December 27, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, stop being so superstitious.

It's bad luck.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 27, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

And it'll be a night game in London...

Posted by: daggar | December 27, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Nate & Chris Larry, I'm just terrified that we are going to lose this game......especially since most of the fans seem to think it is a lock for us. Truly, I don't feel safe with either Romo or Brad Johnson....in fact, Johnson might be more difficult for us...how can we gameplan for him when he has not played all season? Not to mention he hates the Skins and plays well against them.

We have played great in evening games this season - winning all of them. Really wish that was an option but alas.....

Funny thing, though. Tonight I was watching the NFL Network and Rod Woodson was asked which team has the best chance to win the Wild Card. Woodson said "the Vikings....because no one can run on them and no one can stop their rushing attack." Hello Rod? Did you not see the Skins running on them and STOPPING them? Woodson also said he is not worried about Tavaris.

That being said, Denver looked horrible the other night so the Vikings will win that matchup :(

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 27, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

f rod woodson, that is straight tarded....

lisa, i agree i dont like fans lookin past this game either.....nope not one bit.....

enough seattle talk, enough trash talkin BJ....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 27, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Who's claiming the game is a gimme? I don't see them as an invincible 14-2 jaggernaut, but they've gotten virtually every lucky break a team could ever ask for [in stark contrast to another team we know of].

Posted by: daggar | December 27, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I hope I've never expressed the notion that I think this game is in the bag.

We absolutely, positively have to show up and punch them in the mouth, quickly and repeatedly.

I think if we show them an opening by keeping this game close -- or worse, making dumb mistakes and looking like we're not serious -- they'll make a game of it, but if we are playing smothering D and get out to an early lead Wade will fall into a conservative, don't-get-anybody-hurt, we-didn't-care-about-this-one-anyway mode.

We'll see... we should know by the end of the first quarter whether it's going to be a game or not. My hope is that by that point we've provided a suitable demonstration and built a two-TD lead, so from that point forward it will just be about grinding out the clock and giving the crowd a chance to cheer their guts out.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 27, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Just because I'm making plans for the wild card game in Seattle doesn't mean that I'm looking past Dallas. We have to come out and play them just as hard as we've played everyone else the past three weeks, because for them to knock us out would be a huge feather in their cap, and a guarantee that they wouldn't have to play us again in the post-season.

I bought my Skins/Seahawks 2005 playoff tickets about 4 days before we played Tampa Bay. It was simply a supply/demand thing, and I knew that I could turn around and resell them for at least my cost if the Skins hadn't beaten the Bucs.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 27, 2007 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Samuel Smith Nut Brown Ale
" " Oatmeal Stout
" " Winter Brew (whateves is called, can't read label very well right now.)

Posted by: 4-12 | December 28, 2007 12:36 AM | Report abuse

ah yes, upon closer inspection, the label says "you are drunk. go to sleep". Advice is good. Eees berry berry good.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 28, 2007 12:42 AM | Report abuse

HTTBlog
HTTBeer
HTTBaby (and wife caring for her so i can drink beer. mmmmmmm beer)

And HTTR!!!

Posted by: 4-12 | December 28, 2007 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Freak,

You are correct. Besides, if I buy early at today's prices before the contestants are set, I get to buy at a reduced cost. If, for some reason, our beloved Skins do not get in, then I can dump my tickets on the Minn/NO Craigslist for more than I paid.

Posted by: dchandl3 | December 28, 2007 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Also, I think cornerbacks are a rare breed and you can tell if they can play during their rookie season. They either got or they don't. Torrence may get a little better but wouldn't expect him to start for any NFL team, regularly.

Posted by: Rando | December 27, 2007 05:34 PM

Definitely not true - rookie cornerbacks in the NFL routinely struggle while adapting to the pro game. So-called "shutdown corners" don't develop overnight; it generally takes 2-3 years minimum for them to hit their stride.

Carlos Rogers in his third year was starting to show some of the promise that caused him to be drafted high. Don't confuse his play with the scheme he plays in; the Gregg Williams' defense puts a lot of pressure on cornerbacks. Carlos was showing some very good results before he was injured.

Remember Champ Bailey in his first two years in the league? He sucked, plain and simple. He's lucky the nickname "Toast" didn't stick.

Asante Samuel? Similar story. He started slowly, playing CB at the nickel slot. He didn't start until an injury to a teammate forced him into the starting lineup.

Here's the lowdown on another of our favorites up here, Nnamdi Asomugha, who will be a UFA after this season. As with the others, his career started slowly.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6367/

There were three cornerbacks drafted in the first round in 2007: Darrelle Revis (Jets), Leon Hall (Bengals), and Aaron Ross (Giants). Have any of them set the league on fire this year? (Nope.)

There's no way to know yet whether Leigh Torrence or any other young CB has it or not. The process takes time. Yes, the Redskins need to pick up a CB in free agency or the draft, because it's a numbers game - injuries are going to happen. Don't expect Carlos to be back to normal until 2009; maybe he can play nickel in the second half of 2008, if we're lucky.

Barring a miracle, we don't see the Redskins finding a new starting CB in the off-season, either in free agency or the draft. That means our best hopes will remain with retaining Springs, getting Smoot healthy, and developing Torrence and Westbrook.

Drafting a CB in rounds #1, #2 or #3 for the future makes good sense, but it will not be an immediate fix. There's no point in creating expectations that cannot be met.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | December 28, 2007 3:39 AM | Report abuse

Our take on several prospective free agents:

Nnamdi Asomugha - Hooray!

DeAngelo Hall - Boo!

Marcus Trufant - Hooray!

Lance Briggs - Boo!

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | December 28, 2007 3:46 AM | Report abuse

Preferred 2008 UFA Daily Double for the Redskins:

Oshiomogho Atogwe - Safety (St. Louis)

Nnamdi Asomugha - CB (Oakland)

Acquiring both of these players would probably cause Sam Huff to retire from radio work.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | December 28, 2007 3:49 AM | Report abuse

We would be very very happy with a similar game result this Sunday to a similar Sunday on a similar date, a very long time ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/history/rfk/articles/123172.htm

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | December 28, 2007 3:53 AM | Report abuse

Great link, Crickets!

Some of the highlights:
Solomon and Attner -- both of those dudes are still at it, 3 years on!

The "Super Bow" played on January 14... almost a month earlier than it's played now.

53,129 spectators at RFK... just wow.

"Staubach produced no miracles yesterday."

"...inspiration was tough to find on the Dallas side."

Manny Sistrunk. That's the second Sistrunk name drop up here in the past week, which is probably some kind of record.

Great bit about Charley Taylor and Len Hauss at the end.

Love it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 28, 2007 4:08 AM | Report abuse

35 years on, even!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 28, 2007 4:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 28, 2007 4:53 AM | Report abuse

Washington Redskins
Highest-ranked game: 1st (Week 8 at Patriots)
Lowest-ranked game: 14th (Week 1 vs. Dolphins)

Well, isn't interesting that their highest ranking game was the least interesting and their lowest ranking game was very exciting?

Posted by: cmecyclist | December 28, 2007 5:11 AM | Report abuse

NW Crew: Thanks for all the tips/suggestions for my trip and apologies to any of you who felt slighted that the inquiry was directed to Nate/Diddy. It's been burned into my brain that Nate's in the PDX and Diddy was in the evil clutches of Microsoft. Handles like Stumped and Freakzilla, though really cool, provide less geographical context to me.

4-12: Hail the hungover hero. How much of a dent into the gift certificates did you make last night?

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 28, 2007 8:29 AM | Report abuse

And hail to TheCrickets for his Red Stripe player rating system. Now go get yourself that sponsorship.

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 28, 2007 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Lisa - I am super nervous for the game too, but cautiously optimistic b/c we almost won the game last time we played and T.O. was the big difference and he's not playing. My big concern is Terry Glenn, he's playing on Sunday and will probably be rusty - but he's still Terry Glenn.

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 28, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks Portis should go or that the trade was not a smart move...YOUR CRAZY....

For the season, Portis ranks third in the NFC and eighth in the NFL with 1,158 yards on 300 carries. It's the fifth time that Portis has surpassed the 1,000-yard mark in his six-year career.

In his four seasons with the Redskins, Portis has amassed a total of 4,512 rushing yards. That puts him in fourth place on the Redskins' career rushing list, trailing John Riggins, Larry Brown and Stephen Davis. Portis surpassed Earnest Byner and Terry Allen this season.

Portis's three seasons with 1,000 or more rushing seasons ties Davis for the second-most in Redskins history. John Riggins has the team mark with four.

Posted by: leevi98 | December 28, 2007 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Suzanne, I agree....I'm also worried about Terry Glenn...rust or no rust. One of my co-workers is a Cowboys fan (but a nice one!) and she thinks Glenn is better than TO.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 28, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Nice article by Wilbon this morning. It has been nice to see all of the "gibbs-must-go" folks keeping quiet for a while. 55 hours til kickoff! Hail victory!

Posted by: dlhaze | December 28, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, not to worry. The 35-7 stomping of Dallas in 05 was a 4:15 game. Also, I will be wearing my Cooley throwback on Sunday. Skins are 5-0 when I wear it.

Posted by: dlhaze | December 28, 2007 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson holds the ball too long, there are going to be atleast 8 sacks if he plays the game.

You all saw what the eagles did with Romo being forced to hold the ball an extra second becasue of his thumb. The Cowboys haven't been able to pass block for years with this currecnt line why are they able to now?

The answer is they aren't. Romo gets the ball out quick and when he can't he gets away. The eagles did nothing special they were send 4-5 guys and 3 looked practically unblocked. This is the same line that was NOTORIOUS for their poor passblocking. The only thing that has changed is Davis, and guess what?!? Hes an overweight slob that can only run block, just like the rest of them. If the ball is being held for 4+ seconds it's going to be a sack every time.

Posted by: sams3 | December 28, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Lisa_R your coworker is a dope. T.O is the best or second best reciever in the NFL. Glenn is a 90 year old never was been with 7 knees surgeries.

Posted by: sams3 | December 28, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Someone explain to me where all this fear of Terry Glenn comes from? I'm fairly certain that at this point Crayton and maybe even Hurd are better than him.

Posted by: sams3 | December 28, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Im not worried about their pass game, with romo and to out they dont really have a whole lot to work with. Combine that with barber not playing much our defense should be able to hold them to 10 points or less. I cant wait, but i think its suppose to rain, Im not sure how that will work out but collins doesnt seem to be bothered by weather.

Posted by: SAK2 | December 28, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I would actually like to see Romo start, and get his teeth knocked out and thumb triple sprained. I would really like to see us kick their starters around for a bit, just to shake them up headed into the playoffs. We know we can hang with them, even when Romo and TO are healthy; we almost took them in that 1st game. I would love to see us roll over them, but really hope the players don't take this as a gimme. It's still Dallas, and we should still be wary of them, even if they were 1-14 right now.

Posted by: dlhaze | December 28, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

DL you couldn't be more right. Without T.O even the starters wouldn't have a chance. They know that so they will sit them. My only hope is that they play them so they KNOW the Redskins have their number.

Posted by: sams3 | December 28, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Nice obit on a Redskin of yore (admittedly, a fellow I'd never heard of).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/27/AR2007122702185.html?tid=informbox

Absolutely love the Shirley Povich in there. Hail to Shirley!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 28, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

dlhaze, why have you not worn your Cooley jersey every game? :)

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 28, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I didn't get it until after the loss to the Giants, and I can't just NOT wear my 1969 Sonny Jurgensen jersey, or my 70th anniversary Darrel Green, or my admittedly old, with no name, #21 jersey. I try to work each one in. After wearing it (Cooley) for the bears game, and realizing that it was 3-0, I have kept wearing it since.....

Posted by: dlhaze | December 28, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"Sounds like the place to go to get a beer at 6 in the morning."

First call!

Posted by: jspaceman72 | December 28, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Ahh Sonny Jurgensen, Shirley Povich, beating Dallas in the 72 NFC Championship...

You guys are bringing back memories from my early childhood!
Love it!

I even recall Shirley Povich's son was Maury. And he actually was the Sports Newscaster on Channel 5 in DC when I was a kid.

Then he went into slime TV.... where he can make more $$ but not really do any reporting, anything worthwhile.

I wonder how Shirley felt about that?

HTTR Sunday! Dallas Week!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 28, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

A Cooley throwback jersey?

Isn't that an oxymoron?

When I think throwback I think
#9 Jurgensen
#42 Taylor
#43 Brown
#56 Hauss
#55 Hanburger
#37 Fisher
#41 Bass
#17 Kilmer
#44 Riggins
#7 Theismann
#3 Moseley
#65 Butz
#71 Mann
#66 Jacoby
#68 Grim
#85 Warren
#81 Monk
#84 Clark
#21 Byner
#51 Coleman
#28 Green

and many others of course...

HTTR! Kick Dallas

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 28, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

After wearing it (Cooley) for the bears game, and realizing that it was 3-0, I have kept wearing it since.....

Posted by: dlhaze | December 28, 2007 09:59 AM

Maybe Barno could sign it for you.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 28, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I found out last night that Mark Murphy is the new CEO and President of the Green Bay Packers. No throwback jersey for him!

Posted by: jspaceman72 | December 28, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if it's logistically possible to do a home game at RFK. Instead of a throwback uniform game, one of these years before it's torn down they should do a throwback stadium game. Show the kids on the team what RFK was all about.

Posted by: jspaceman72 | December 28, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

After wearing it (Cooley) for the bears game, and realizing that it was 3-0, I have kept wearing it since.....

Posted by: dlhaze | December 28, 2007 09:59 AM

Maybe Barno could sign it for you.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 28, 2007 10:34 AM

This is one of the bests posts in a while.

Posted by: sams3 | December 28, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

If anyone's still out there, I have a very important question. My mom is in Cleveland this weekend, and she wants to watch the game. Since I think that it's the featured game on fox at 4:15, and since the Browns play at 1, I think that she'll be able to watch it. But the Cleveland fox affiliate still lists the teams TBA. Where I can find out if the game will be on tv there? If you guys can't help me out, then no one can! Thanks!!

Posted by: sherryz710 | December 28, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

For God's sakes, Mom, we'd all like to flee to the Cleve, and club-hop down at the Flats and have lunch with Little Richard. But we fight those urges, because we have responsibilities. Like late season Skins/Cowboys games!

Posted by: jspaceman72 | December 28, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Sherry,

The skins game will be shown in Cleveland. Here is a link to a web site that shows the coverage maps for all games: http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/index.html

It usually has the coverage maps available the Thursday before the games. Hope Mom enjoys the skins' win.

Posted by: Markin21132 | December 28, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Hahahaha!! I'll pass that on to her. She clearly didn't think this whole trip through.

Posted by: sherryz710 | December 28, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Sherryz....I live in TX and was linked to this site to find out what games are shown in here.

http://the506.com/nflmaps/2007-17-FOX2.html


Looks like Mom is all good. Oh, by the way , in case i forget to say it ...


WE WANT DALLAS
WE WANT DALLAS
WE WANT DALLAS
WE WANT DALLAS
WE WANT DALLAS
WE WANT DALLAS
WE WANT DALLAS
WE WANT DALLAS

Posted by: cej75024 | December 28, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Thank you SO much, Mark!! I really appreciate your help. I'm sure that mom says thanks too.

Posted by: sherryz710 | December 28, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I just saw that the 21132 will be blacked out from the skins game because the Ravens are playing late. I am so thankful that we have NFL Sunday ticket from Directv. We got Directv just so we would not miss these big games.

HTTR

Posted by: Markin21132 | December 28, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

So both networks get both an early and a late game this week?

It's a Week 17 Extravaganza!

Posted by: freakzilla | December 28, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Crap! You mean DirecTV still has rights to Sunday Ticket in the future?

Geesh.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 28, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

fred smoot is getting his rating bumped up to an 85 in madden if anyone here happens to play. They are also adding Lorenzo finally. collins is getting bumped up to a 77. daniels and carter both gained a point each and doughty got moved to a 69. (Still way too low)Thrash got moved up a few points aswell.

Posted by: sams3 | December 28, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

This week, I'll take Todd over Brad and every current Skins WR over Terry Glenn - people who "fear him" should check his DOB and the last time he had a 100-yard game.

As for trusting in anything, I trust in the people who have no emotional stake in this game at all, only a financial stake: Every sports book in Vegas has the Redskins favored from 8 1/2 to 10 points.

Because NO ONE believes Wade Phillips' dancing earlier in the week about possibly playing starters very long.

I expect most Cowboys starters to be on the bench before the end of the 1st half.

In fact, if the Redskins are up big going into the 4th quarter, Gibbs should take HIS starters out and rest them, since Washington will have to travel to Seattle the following week.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 28, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Side Note: DeMarcus Ware now has a rating of 2047 in Madden.

Posted by: sams3 | December 28, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

• FS Stuart Schweigert - Raiders - 84 to 78 - Recently benched for a guy 99.9% of football fans have never heard of. That is slightly more than 99.2% of football fans who have never heard of Stuart Schweigert.

Posted by: sams3 | December 28, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

In fact, if the Redskins are up big going into the 4th quarter, Gibbs should take HIS starters out and rest them, since Washington will have to travel to Seattle the following week.

I was thinking the same thing last, particularly as it relates to QB. If we're up big in the 4th, do we rest Collins and let Brunell see some action? I say absolutely. He hasn't taken a regular season snap in over a year, so if possible we should give him a chance to shake some rust off, just in case he's called upon in the post-season.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 28, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking the same thing last

That is, I was thinking the same thing last night.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 28, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah -- re: National Treasure 2, I liked it, and was able to infer a lot of stuff from the first movie, even though I didn't see that one. It's a fun adventure movie, and it's funny where it's supposed to be funny.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 28, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I smell oats.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 28, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Connect Four! I win again!

Posted by: freakzilla | December 28, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, Brady will probably play 3 or 4 quarters, right?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 28, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"As for trusting in anything, I trust in the people who have no emotional stake in this game at all, only a financial stake: Every sports book in Vegas has the Redskins favored from 8 1/2 to 10 points."

Question for the avid gamblers out there. Is a line designed to accurately predict the final score or is it designed to ensure roughly a 50/50 split of betting money between two teams?

I'm curious, because I thought the goal was a 50/50 split of the money, ensuring the house profits regardless of the game's outcome through its service fees. If so, then the line on the Skins/Boys game isn't the experts best take on its outcome, it's actually their initial guess on how to force a 50/50 split of bets because they anticipate John Q Public is assuming the Boys starters aren't going to be playing much (if any) this week.

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 28, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Yes, that is the purpose of the line.

Posted by: jspaceman72 | December 28, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Oddsmakers know what number will draw them equal action.

It's not a prediction of a final score, but if equal action is a spread of 8 1/2 to 10 points - as opposed to 2 or 3 points - it's a good indication that Vegas does NOT believe that Dallas will play its starters the whole way.

If this game were being played two weeks ago, I don't the Redskins would be favored at all, even at home.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 28, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Adam,
I'm not a huge gambler, but I like to lay down a couple bucks now and then. You're right. The goal is to get even betting on each side. Thats why the line moves, to ensure even betting. That said, it is amazing how accurate they generally are in setting lines. Let's hope they're right this weekend!
With the iggles out of it, are you pulling for the skins? (I know it is nearly impossible to actually root for a divisional opponent.)

Posted by: puttinforbird | December 28, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/345120_htix28.html

If you believe in jinxes, don't click on link.

If you believe in going to seattle and are interested in play*ff tix, click on link....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 28, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks 4th. From what I've heard in my ticket research, it is nearly impossible to get a ticket thru ticketbastard, as there are very few tickets to go around and they are mostly singles.

Posted by: puttinforbird | December 28, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I thought National Treasure 2 was idiotic in almost every conceivable way, but none more so than the stupid platform in the third act. I was appalled that people in the theatre in which I saw it actually applauded. I wanted to shoot myself.

I have a movie marathon set for tomorrow: "Charlie Wilson's War", "Atonement", "Golden Compass", and, if I have time, "No Country for Old Men".

Posted by: PDiddy | December 28, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I Am Legend was pretty good, but seemed too short. More background info would have helped.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 28, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone should even dream about our starters resting. The only two games we have really scored were against Detroit and last week against the Vikings. And even then, we almost let the Vikings come back to bite us.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 28, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

putt:

Maybe the line's dead on because by the end of the game, it's going to be Skins 1st teamers against Dallas 2nd/3rd teamers. But my gut feeling about Sunday is with the exception of Romo and TO, the Boys starters are going to play the entire first half and end up leading by a small to moderate amount at the half, and the Skins are going to eke out a victory coming from behind in the 3rd/4th quarter.

Hatred is reserved for the Gints and the Boys. Except for the Iggles games, Skins wins are fine with me cause they make my friends happy and get me free drinks. Would be happy if you pounded the Boys by 60 and concussed TO during a sideline pileup, but I don't see either happening.

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 28, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

You'll love No Country for Old Men, I think.

It's the best film I've seen this year.

As for National Treasure, perhaps the audience was applauding Nicholas Cage's hair color.

The guy should really stop dyeing it; it's not fooling anyone.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 28, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21

Thought Cage's "do" was actually a rug. If so, maybe he should be going to a different rug shop.

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 28, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Turns out my rug sentiments have already been seconded

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-071221treasure-story,1,1905496.story

"Everyone looks fatigued. Even Cage's toupee seems ambivalent about having signed on for a sequel."

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 28, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, man....LOL... That's funny.

Thanks for the link.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 28, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

crap. I decided to stay in MD instead of going back to NYC for the weekend so I could watch the skins game on sunday.

Now the NFL says that the skins will be on in NY and balt, and the ravens will be on in DC.

Oh well, I'll live without my 24" 1080p monitor for one day I guess (my computer is my TV, (yay for ClearQAM) what else would you expect from a cs phd student).

Posted by: spotter | December 28, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"I wanted to shoot myself."

See, this wouldn't have been an issue had you brought the maglite, patron and crossword puzzle.

Atonement before No Country For Old Men?

Posted by: jspaceman72 | December 28, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

spotter, I cannot see anyway the NFL would show a meaningless Ravens game in the DC area when Skins/Cowboys are playing here at home - and the Skins have something to play for....that would be a travesty.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 28, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Where did you get that info re which games are being broadcast in specific markets?

As of now, FOX 5 here in Manhattan is showing Packers/Lions at 1:00, and no 4:00 game at all, according to their website.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 28, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

On my television here in DC - and in the newspaper - it states the Skins/Cowboys game will be shown.

Maybe Spotter lives in Baltimore.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 28, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 28, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

if anyone here plays madden on reg. xbox and is interested in playing for money...let me kno...we can set up a match...

Posted by: mimic | December 28, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: spotter | December 28, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

anyways, I'm old enough to remember back in the day when even in Silver Spring, one was able to get channels 11, 13 and 45 relatively clearly with a cheap pair of rabbit ears.

Too much interference these days

Posted by: spotter | December 28, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

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