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Punter will test his leg Friday (updated)

Punter Hunter Smith, who has missed the past two games with a groin injury, said he will punt at Friday's practice and determine whether he can play Monday night against Philadelpia.

"We're kind of in the same place we've been for the past two weeks in that I haven't actually been able to punt yet," Smith said. "But theoretically, we're closer than we were last week and have an extra day to rest this week. So hopefully we'll be good to go."

The injury, suffered in an Oct. 4 win over Tampa Bay, no longer bothers Smith when he walks. That, though, does not necessarily mean he's healthy enough to punt.

"It's specific to punting, the actual pain," Smith said. "It's just one of those things you can't know if you're all the way back until you go out and kick."

Smith is averaging 43.5 yards per punt with a net average of 40.4 yards. His replacement, Glenn Pakulak, averaged 38.3 yards with a 33.2-yard net.

Practice update

Rick Maese reports that Clinton Portis and Albert Haynesworth were not practicing. Chris Horton and Kareem Moore, both ill, were watching from the side. Chris Cooley was back on the practice field.

Redskins Tailgate Zone

The Redskins Tailgate Zone topic of discussion today: Is Jim Zorn getting a raw deal?

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Here’s What Happened:

The Redskins snap’s Detroit’s 19 game losing streak. There was a lot of bad coaching and playcalling involved. The offense had yet to get going. Sherm Lewis is brought in as an ‘Extra set of eyes.’

Here’s What I think:

About time. The Offense has been holding back a defense that has been better than years before. This defense is actually getting sacks and turning the ball over to the offense. This is one of the most anemic offenses in Redskins’ History.

Here’s What Happened:

Jim Zorn’s Offense has not improved two games later and game management also begins to spiral out of control. Although most media members fail to point out the coaching mismanagement when analyzing moves by Redskins Front office man Vinny Cerrato. Fans have become soo numb, that they can’t even boo any more and have become worst cynics than anyone covering Congress. So, because of that, Jim Zorn has been stripped of his play calling duties and even prevented from talking to Jason Campbell through the headsets.

Here’s What I think:

Jim Zorn is a good guy who gives you that good guy feeling when being interviewed. Too bad a good guy should not have been what Vinny was looking for. Instead he should have gotten a coach who was more involved with actual game day activities. Because, if better ‘Game Day’ Management was in place, the Redskins could easily be 4-2 with the same exact play on the field.

Here’s What Happened:

Sherm Lewis has been handed the Play Calling duties after being here for 2 weeks and being out of Football 5 years.

Here’s What I think:

This is damning on Zorn. That Management would rather have a guy out of football for 5 years than have the HC/OC call the plays. Management had to do some serious shaking up, but feared no one was ready to step to the plate on Zorn’s staff. The Offensive Coordinator, by the way, had ZERO experience in the WCO. Sherm Lewis has over 20 years in the WCO system and learned it at the foot of Bill Walsh. Lewis also has 4 Superbowl rings.

Here’s What Happened:

ESPN/Bloggers and everyone in between are making fun that Sherm Lewis was calling BINGO games and delivering Meals-On-Wheels.

Here’s What I think:

The age of the internet has everyone thinking they can be the Big Bad Wolf. I fail to understand how this can be funny after the 2nd or 3rd time you hear this joke. I would rather see what he has 1st before running him through the mud…Washington Style. This man should and will be respected. He’s one of us now, so you/we should be hoping him to succeed vs. the other way. Zorn will be fired irregardless on Tuesday and the Beat will go on. Because everyone will then be fighting for their jobs. From Vinny to the Players to the Coaching staff.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Oct 22 1:00 ET "The Raiders mixed up coverages with great success (last week). It kept them off balance." - Defensive backs coach Jerry Grey on how to handle the Eagles explosive offense.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to Continuing Coverage of DEBACLE '09 ®

The DEBACLE ® continues

Stay tuned for more coverage of DEBACLE '09 ®

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

If Hunter can't play, who's going to score TDs?

Posted by: NFeKPo | October 22, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping the offense goes nuts and the skins score 40+.

Posted by: coparker5 | October 22, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know anything about the Redskins Greatest QB event where JC17, Sonny and others will be appearing???

Someone needs to relay "The Plan" to JC17 in person...

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know anything about the Redskins Greatest QB event where JC17, Sonny and others will be appearing???

Someone needs to relay "The Plan" to JC17 in person...

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow! An update on the punting situation. The milks gone bad folks.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 22, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I think the offense just sucks nuts!

Posted by: redryan400 | October 22, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know a good realator out that way?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Lewis is here to serve Post-Zorn, which began Last Sunday night. Zorn will be gone Tuesday. Not to serve on his incompetent staff who will continue to be employed until the end of the season.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 1:25 PM

And you think this makes Zorn look bad? No way. They've managed to shift the blame from Zorn (who did look bad) to themselves. Wait to see how ESPN tells the story on Monday night. And then when Lewis takes over, do you think that will turn the season around?

Lewis won't do any better than Zorn did and it will all blow up in Vinnie and Dan's faces.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

40 points....maybe if first downs are suddenly worth 3 points each....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

In a surprising move, the intricate communication link between Sherm and JC will now include our own Jasno... so get ready to hear JC ask "what exactly is '41 rickt spleen'?"

Posted by: daggar | October 22, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm 100% with you P1Funk - now, how do we get this plan to Campbell/Zorn?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 1:30 PM

John, I think P1Funk types the plan, double spaced, and seals it a plain envelope, addressed simply to "#17."
He bypasses the U.S. Postal Service, because they just haven't been getting the job done, and drives it to Ashburn.
He finds JReid, who hand delivers it to Zorn, as Zorn is now in charge of the mail room.
Zorn sees "#17" on the envelope, and promptly throws it under the bus. Then he picks it back up, finds JC, and voila! Message delivered.
Simple, really.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Here's What Happened:

4th Floor validated a tiresome weekly blog-filler practice that just repeats what The Mayor has already said.

Here's What I Think:

I'm hungry, I'm only half way through a three hour conference call that is in a 5 minute pee break, and I can't get lunch till 3.

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Or if punts were worth 6 points each!

Posted by: redryan400 | October 22, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know a good realator out that way?
Posted by: CheyenneWY

Looking for a new missile tube?

Posted by: daggar | October 22, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

te/ls, what makes you think that JZ would have used what Lewis was saying/offering to help?? He's under the impression that its not him, but the players who aren't performing.

This is the 2nd season of this offense, and its still a collussal failure. Blame the OL, blame JC, but it still STINKS and that falls ULTIMATLY at the feet of the Head Coach. As Gannon just stated, its STILL VANILLA 23 games in, and we're still running vanilla at practice thats telling. As Hoge stated, they were running patterns that PLAY INTO giving ZONE COVERAGE the advantage, this is a case of 1 or 2 things. Either the HC doesn't get it, how to attack a defense, or doesn't scheme for what the defense is doing. Fact JC is best out of the shotgun, yet he's still lining up under center.....why??

Not to mention that JZ still contends that he's calling plays that should work. Really?? Where?? Cuz they ain't working on Sunday. Something had to give, and based on how poorly this offense was performing, this was it.

Largent can fight for his boy all he wants, but this offense sucks, and has sucked under JZ...there hasn't been improvement....ANYWHERE...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Nice!

I think I got picked up for a gig in Oxon Hill and it will be a quick turnaround so I need to find a place to live

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know a good realator out that way?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I know several in NoVa.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 22, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

te/ls, what makes you think that JZ would have used what Lewis was saying/offering to help?? He's under the impression that its not him, but the players who aren't performing.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 1:32 PM

It depends on what Lewis is offering. I don't believe Lewis can do as well -- after studying the team for two weeks -- as Zorn can. How will Lewis know which personnel package to put on the field for each play?

Maybe I'll be proven wrong on Monday. But with this roster neither Zorn nor Lewis can call plays that will turn this offense around. And what's the over/under on delay of game penalties under this arrangement?

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

On the punter-only problem and the "actual pain", is there some reason Hunter Smith shouldn't get the same "candy shot" as for Malcolm Kelly's thumb?

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know a good realtor out that way?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 1:47 PM

Which way? You mean up here? Out there?

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

In the P.G. County/Calvert County area...

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Ok, interesting question. If they won't know until tomorrow whether Hunter the Punter can make a go of it, why did they release that Pakulak guy they used last week? If Hunter can't play on Monday, is Suisham going to punt again?

Can this front office do *anything* right?

Posted by: acoberst1 | October 22, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Here’s What Happened:

The Redskins snap’s Detroit’s 19 game losing streak. There was a lot of bad coaching and playcalling involved. The offense had yet to get going. Sherm Lewis is brought in as an ‘Extra set of eyes.’

Here’s What I think:

Clearly Jim Zorn has and had absolutely nothing to do with selecting the talent. He probably is not even allowed to determine the make-up of the roster in terms of who gets cut and who gets to day. I sincerely doubt he is allowed to determine the game day inactives! Given that he was already severely handicapped from implementing his system.

One need only look at last year when the roster he fielded was still the one shaped by Joe Gibbs and his excellent staff. It wasn't until the offensive line collapsed that they ran into problems.

And those serious issues on the offensive line were COMPLETELY IGNORED! The Redskins started the season with the oldest, most infirm line in the NFL. Anyone with half a brain could have predicted this debacle. AND I DID!

Here’s What Happened:

Jim Zorn’s Offense has not improved two games later and game management also begins to spiral out of control. Although most media members fail to point out the coaching mismanagement when analyzing moves by Redskins Front office man Vinny Cerrato. Fans have become soo numb, that they can’t even boo any more and have become worst cynics than anyone covering Congress. So, because of that, Jim Zorn has been stripped of his play calling duties and even prevented from talking to Jason Campbell through the headsets.

Here’s What I think:

This has more to do with the selection of talent and the formation of the final 53 man squad. This squad has Danny Snyder's (and Cerrato's) signature scrawled all over it. I'm not sure if there was anything Zorn could have done. Instead he has now become a scape goat for a lunatic of an owner and his yes man lackey.

If his system is so bad then why didn't this happen at the beginning of last year? Think about it?

Here’s What Happened:

Sherm Lewis has been handed the Play Calling duties after being here for 2 weeks and being out of Football 5 years.

Here’s What I think:

Yeah Lewis has 4 Superbowl rings. But so does Cerrato. Gee do you think he deserved them? Perhaps Lewis deserves them more but he did not earn them as a head coach as Joe Gibbs did. There is no comparison. The real question is can Zorn's system work? Sure. It did the beginning of last year. Does it like any other system require talent that can work together as a team. Absolutely!

Here’s What Happened:

ESPN/Bloggers and everyone in between are making fun that Sherm Lewis was calling BINGO games and delivering Meals-On-Wheels.

Here’s What I think:

Its a question of display some class. Something that Vinny and Danny apparently completely lack. It is also something that goes a long way toward team building. Lewis' acumen will not help if the players decide to take a day off on Monday night. Which is what I suspect may happen.

Posted by: periculum | October 22, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"It depends on what Lewis is offering. I don't believe Lewis can do as well -- after studying the team for two weeks -- as Zorn can. How will Lewis know which personnel package to put on the field for each play?"

They scored 6 points last week, against an awful team, what makes you think ZORN knows which personnel package would work?? How can they do worse?? 3 points?? I mean, weren't they trending that way anyway??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I think it would be funny to see a doped up punter out there.

Any of the faithful predicting a Skins upset?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

And what's the over/under on delay of game penalties under this arrangement?

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 1:54 PM

What are the odds they have no timeouts left after their second 3 and ou...I mean drive of the game?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

any word on quinton ganther? is this guy going to play fullback?

Posted by: brian58 | October 22, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne, I'm predicting lots of upset Skins faithful.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 22, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations Cheyenne!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Its not even a military job this time.

I am being brought in to be a fresh set of eyes on Sherm Lewis. Ill be Offensive Coordinator in to time.

I think I could be good; I have been called offensive many times

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Largent's quotes from the Washington Times:

*"I don’t know what a Dan Snyder coach looks like and I don’t think Dan Snyder knows what a Dan Snyder coach looks like. That’s fairly obvious now as he’s been through six head coaches in 10 years. The problem is that, Jim was hired as an offensive coordinator and then promoted to head coach and yet, the coaching position that Jim was given, he was told who his coaches were going to be, he was told who his players were going to be, he didn’t have any opportunity to go, seek and find players and coaches that he wanted to fill out the team with a couple of exceptions."

*"He inherited everything that he has to work with today and yet all the blame is being laid on his feet because he can’t make them Super Bowl champions, which I could have told you two years ago – they don’t have a Super Bowl-quality team so it doesn’t matter how good a coach you are – you’re not going to get there with the players the owner gives you."

Largent's an overrated bum who doesn't deserve to be in the HOF anyway.

Zorn hired all of the key offensive coaches on the staff: Sherman Smith, Chris Meidt, and Stump Mitchell. The only coaches he didn't hire were the defensive coaches. Should we even compare the two units?

As far as him "inheriting everything he has to work with today", Largent should be reminded that his boy inherited a playoff team.

We know the FO sucks, but his boy Zoron is just as bad. Even if Mr. "O-17" was in a coma for 5 years, his play calling can't be much worse.

Posted by: dcwun | October 22, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Is this Ganther guy even gonna play? I'd say no. With Mason and Alridge gone, we only got Betts and Rock to spell Portis. Man.. that has to be the slowest backup tandem ever. Especailly if you throw Sellers in there. Team speed at RB better be addressed in the offseason via draft of FA along with our O Tackle situation.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 22, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS ANNOUNCE “PHILADELPHIA FREEDOM” PROMOTION

With several thousand tickets left to sell and facing up to the prospect of several thousand more no shows for Monday night's football game, the Washington Redskins are pulling out all of the stops to attract more fans for the visiting team through a special “Philadelphia Freedom” promotional event.

The event will feature several special musical guests, as well as the world premiere of the first five minutes of a much-anticipated new documentary drama about another music icon. Everyone attending will be encouraged to wear either the Philadelphia team colors or basic black –- in commemoration of the recent death of Michael Jackson.

Bruce Springsteen will launch the special halftime show with his Academy Award winning “Streets of Philadelphia,” the theme song from the movie about a homosexual lawyer who fights on despite suffering from AIDS. Next up, gay music icon Elton John will sing “Philadelphia Freedom,” a song he dedicated to tennis icon Billie Jean King. Finally, in a special promotional crossover with Paramount Pictures, Hollywood actor and team toadie Tom Cruise will introduce a five-minute film clip from the soon to be released “This Is It,” the much anticipated film about the final days of the musically gifted but sexually ambiguous Michael Jackson.

In other team news, Redskins Head Coach Jim Zorn has decided to alternate quarterback play during Monday night’s game -- and start Tom Collins for the first half, and wait until the second hald to give Jason Campbell the football.

Zorn explained, “I think we have established beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jason’s play in the first half of all of our games has been downright atrocious, while it’s only marginally better in the second half. So we’ll make it easier for him and allow his to just focus on being ready for the second half.”

He continued, “We’re also hoping that with all of this music we’re piping into the locker room from the halftime show, Jason might find it easier to get into his rhythm too.”

The coach also unveiled plans for the upcoming by-week that will follow the expected loss to the Eagles. Recognizing that the team wasted nearly all its pre-season training time simply trying to decide whether to cut Colt Brennan or Chase Daniel (both of whom have since left the team) –- while also resting all of the starters and primary backups, Zorn has decided that his team needs to “go back to basics” and “focus on fundamentals.”

Therefore he has scheduled two-a-day practice sessions for the next two weeks to focus on the fundamentals of blocking, tackling, running, passing and personal physical conditioning.

However, team prima donnas Clinton Portis and Albert Haynesworth have already declined to participate, explaining that as overpriced veterans who enjoy a “special relationship” with team owner Dan Snyder, they “don nede no eff-in practis.”

Posted by: Vic1 | October 22, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Congrats Cheyenne.
Where's the new job? Because if you say something like "Tysons" or "Bethesda," I'm going to have to, um, "strongly suggest" that you not move to P.G./Calvert.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Base on the empty seats for the KC game I am sure Fed-Up field will be full of Iggles fans on Monday night

Posted by: Forrest6 | October 22, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Where were the cries for a walkout and boycott in 05' and 07' when we made the playoffs?

For those that think we shoulda hired Greg Williams...weren't you the same ones tearing him a new one over Pierce, Clark and Arrington?

I DO NOT WANT SNYDER TO SELL THE TEAM...I DO NOT WANT SNYDER TO LEAVE TOWN...I WANT VINNY CERRATO FIRED AND FOR SNYDER TO STAY...LEARN... AND BRING SOMEONE IN TO FIX IT.

I will always be a fan and will not abandon the team.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 22, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I will be doing recruiting out of the main office in Oxon Hill.- I know the area pretty well because I grew up in District Heights, went to school in Suitland and worked in Forestville.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I will always be a fan and will not abandon the team.

Posted by: rickyroge

We will be the last two in the stadium me thinks. I was in Denver this weekend rocking my authentic Dexter Manley Jersey and I must have drank ten free beers from guys that felt sorry for me.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Excellent. P.G./Calvert it is then.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

leaguesource:

"Eye injury? It was only one eye. Why didn't he come back?

The guy's a wimp.

He lacks the determination and guts of a guy like Carlos Rogers who plays every week despite having no hands."


Very funny.

Analysis:

Sarcastic and biting and mean-spirited.

And when swished around in the mind, it makes the point that some teams have stars who produce even though handicapped.

And the redskins have stars who don't produce because they are handicapped.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is going to start drinking Tom Collins' in the first half? That should be a sight!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I think I got picked up for a gig in Oxon Hill and it will be a quick turnaround so I need to find a place to live

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 1:52 PM

My wife is a realtor....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

4thFloor,

she work the P.G. County/Calvert County area?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

My wife is a realtor....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 2:19 PM

My husband is a bama....

Posted by: Mrs.4thFloor October 22,2009 2:20 PM


Weird....did anybody else see that? It was on my screen, and then...Poof. Nothing.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to Continuing Coverage of DEBACLE '09 ®

The DEBACLE ® continues

Stay tuned for more coverage of DEBACLE '09 ®

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

and, if there is a tie?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston

It should be long enough to wrap around both Zorn and Andy Reid’s necks.

Posted by: TheCork | October 22, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

.She works out of an office in suitland or somewhere in south PG.

Hit me up @ rightwaytax@hotmail.com and I can tell you what I know......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I know it was a Leiber-Stoller tune, but the Rolling Stones also warned us about the perils of poison ivy...

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Us old rock and rollers, especially those of us who’ve read Leiber and Stoller's book, know that “Poison Ivy” was a metaphor for the Clap.

“Late at night while you’re sleepin’
poison Ivy comes a creepin’ around."

Posted by: TheCork | October 22, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn is going to start drinking Tom Collins' in the first half?"

Speaking of Collins, how long of a leash will Jason Campbell be on Monday Nite before he gets benched?

a. half time

b. 1st quarter

c. just after he leaves his home

d. 3rd quarter

e. when the iggles go up 3-0

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

@greg, not coulda woulda shoulda, just a reminder that you guys didn't win by much against the Iggles last year and IMHO you're not quite as good this.

@Lisa, touche! I didn't know that about Nnnnnnamdi. I did hear though that Richard Seymour turned the clock back about 10 years in last week's game and was unblockable (particularly after the Iggles lost Peters). Who would fill his role for you this week? Carter?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 22, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

If being different and independant from everyone else is being a bama....Then I'll wear it with Pride...THANKS!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

She works out of an office in suitland or somewhere in south PG.

Hit me up @ rightwaytax@hotmail.com and I can tell you what I know......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

short conversation

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

corky, how did rhino play when he was in there?? Did you see him??

There is a systemic problem, from the plays being called, to the formations that the plays are being run out of. If they were scoring 40 points a game despite these guys would indicate individual failure, however they're not, so the system is the root of the failure.

Beantown Greg

I don’t think we’re at odds here. I’ve been criticizing everything from the retirement of the Counter-trey to only zone blocking for a long time. I’ve called Zorn the worst play designer in the NFL. I’ve whined constantly about the lack of lead blockers ahead of the runners. If this is the West Coast system, go East young man.

That said, NO system would provide 40 points a game with the weapons on hand. Portis is aging, Campbell confused and inconsistent, and the 2nd rounders are next to useless. Rhino played pretty good. I don’t know if his problems are mental or physical. But the ONLY offensive player all teams would covet is Cooley, with Moss a close second.

Meanwhile, the powers that be “re-built” the defense again, Did they have a clue the offense would stink once more? Did they not know Thomas was vulnerable? Did they not know Samuels had Stenosis? Did they not know Heyer’s limitations? Or Rabach’s problems with big linemen? Or that Jansen was through? And the list goes on.

What was my point? I dunno. We’re all just venting these days.

But just blaming one player as the earlier poster (not you) did, is silly.

Posted by: TheCork | October 22, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Oct 22 2:16 ET
As the team stretched for practice, offensive consultant Sherm Lewis walked around and chatted with various offensive players.

Oct 22 2:12 ET RB
RB Clinton Portis, DT Albert Haynesworth, DT Cornelius Griffin, S Chris Horton and S Kareem Moore were not dressed in pads for warmups.

Oct 22 2:08 ET
The Redskins were in helmets and shoulder pads again today at practice. Redskins coach Jim Zorn continues to stand by his "health first" philosophy.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

moe, he needs to play well. Period. He needs to stop worrying about the pass rush, stop claiming he's gonna be a gun slinger, and just play well.

If he comes out like he did against KC, then I think you have to make the switch at halftime again, and go TC the rest of the year...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Hit me up @ rightwaytax@hotmail.com and I can tell you what I know......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

If I e-mail you, too, will you tell me what you know?

I'm especially interested in the migration of the Gulf Stream as a result of continuted melting of the polar ice caps.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"you guys didn't win by much against the Iggles last year"

rc, seriously....what do they call wins, that aren't by very much.....oh yeah, they call them wins.....semantics...you're starting to sound like D. Mcnabb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Obviously if Justin Tryon was QB we'd go 19-0 and beat the Colts in the Superbowl 197-0, Starting a 37.5 year streak of games without a loss.

Posted by: ecale25 | October 22, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

if "touchdown" Hunter can't go i say we go with Cooley back there...i mean he is our 2nd string...

whats the worst thing that happens...we get embarassed?!?!?!

Posted by: carsonspence | October 22, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Pft says Redskins 9 - Eagles 24 so much for the new offensive co

Posted by: joevick | October 22, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Never mind the punting. Can he run a fake FG into the end zone?

Posted by: Meepo | October 22, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Oct 22 2:08 ET
The Redskins were in helmets and shoulder pads again today at practice. Redskins coach Jim Zorn continues to stand by his "health first" philosophy.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 2:32 PM

I'd prefer the "offense that scores more than 6 points" philosophy.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I remember the first game under Spurrier in Osaka.

I remember thinking it would be two years before we lost a game.

I suck

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

May be old news but posted on Killing the messenger.

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=37987


Maggie Cameron is among those now trying to foment the hate. Cameron went to the Tampa Bay game wearing a T-shirt she made that said sell the team dan, and she says she was mobbed by like-minded fans asking for a shirt of their own. A photo of her in the shirt made Dan Steinberg’s D.C. Sports Bog at washingtonpost.com a day later. But the photo of Cameron disappeared from the blog after publication, along with other shots of civilly disobedient fans, and there was no explanation on the Post site for the disappearance. Steinberg declined to discuss the situation. Matt Vita, sports editor of the Washington Post, explains that the pictures of Cameron and the others were removed at the request of the Redskins.

“The Redskins said [Steinberg] was in violation of his credentials for taking the photographs,” Vita says. “We honored that request, because at the end of the day, they control access to their facility.”

Steinberg has over the years published photos taken at Redskins games using the exact same press pass, such as one featuring Alex Ovechkin at FedExField, without any complaints from the team or requests to have the pictures removed.

Posted by: Gweez | October 22, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

just one more thing what our owner is doing is taking the light of of America team who is in the same shape as us when comes to their front office but no is talking about that due in large part to our on going soap
opera

Posted by: joevick | October 22, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Shottenheimer as GM/President/Personnel Guy. Cowher as Coach. These guys are on the same page and they run the smashmouth style that Skins fans seem to prefer. They'd produce consistantly competitive teams. Probably no championships but lots of playoffs.

Posted by: coparker5 | October 22, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

the punter is back, we're all good, super bowl bound

outstanding free agent pick up there Vinny and Danny

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 22, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

@greg, are you deliberately obtuse sometimes? You KNOW I don't mean they need to rewrite the record book.

I MEAN that you probably don't have corners to shut down the Iggles receivers even if you're trying to play press man. You didn't last year, but got away with it. What makes you think you'll get away with it again? It might just be me, but banking on wide-open receivers continuing to drop passes doesn't sound like a good game plan...

I was serious in my question for who plays the role of "Seymour the Destroyer" for you guys this weekend. If someone can, you have a chance, because who knows, Andy Reid might have another brainf*rt and go totally pass-happy again. He's done it enough times before.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 22, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

How long is Singletary under contract for.

I would love to see him in a Burgundy and Gold pullover on the sidelines.

What about Billick as a personnel guy?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Beep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 22, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

cork

you sum it up nicely, we really have nothing on offense been saying the same for along time...coaching, scheme, players play calling...its a reflection on management...they have no idea how to construct and then replenish a team...

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | October 22, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I hope we shock the world and the offense puts up 34 points behind the masterful play calling of Shlewis, so JZ just goes away. He is not THE problem, but lets face it, hes not the answer, either.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 22, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Nice to have the punter back. too bad it won't help the return game - or the tackling.

Hmm. Zorn getting a raw deal. Sure. Does it matter? Does he deserve it? Meh...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 22, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

If being different and independant from everyone else is being a bama....Then I'll wear it with Pride...THANKS!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 2:30 PM

Uh, I already claimed RI bama status yesterday. I'm as bamafied as bama gets. I'll be even more so after Lane Kiffen gets a bama shoved up his bama azz on Saturday. Then I'll be all bama'ed out & you can be it.

Posted by: will_ga | October 22, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

THe Eagles have no running game and lost to the Oakland Raiders...aka Washington West

So...Why can't we beat them? This game is nothing like the prior games. This will be NFC East football. I see tis as a very close game.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

We did well against them last year & I do think we'll be competitive at least & with a turnover or two we have a shot.

Posted by: will_ga | October 22, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

te/ls, what makes you think that JZ would have used what Lewis was saying/offering to help?? He's under the impression that its not him, but the players who aren't performing.

This is the 2nd season of this offense, and its still a collussal failure. Blame the OL, blame JC, but it still STINKS and that falls ULTIMATLY at the feet of the Head Coach. As Gannon just stated, its STILL VANILLA 23 games in, and we're still running vanilla at practice thats telling. As Hoge stated, they were running patterns that PLAY INTO giving ZONE COVERAGE the advantage, this is a case of 1 or 2 things. Either the HC doesn't get it, how to attack a defense, or doesn't scheme for what the defense is doing. Fact JC is best out of the shotgun, yet he's still lining up under center.....why??

Not to mention that JZ still contends that he's calling plays that should work. Really?? Where?? Cuz they ain't working on Sunday. Something had to give, and based on how poorly this offense was performing, this was it.

Largent can fight for his boy all he wants, but this offense sucks, and has sucked under JZ...there hasn't been improvement....ANYWHERE...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 1:50 PM

Gosh Greg -- I'm agreeing with you ... 100% ... except for the spelling of what I think was meant to be colossal.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

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