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QB or not QB: Wonderlic test provides few answers

If the Redskins are intent on drafting a quarterback in the first round of next month's draft, they're no doubt at least aware of the Wonderlic scores each prospect posted. And judging by scores that were leaked today, there's a healthy bit difference between Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen.

In short, Bradford's score was particularly high; Clausen's was a bit low. Before we delve into this further, let's do some mock draft updates, shall we? ESPN's two mockheads have both updated their boards. Mel Kiper Jr. still has the Redskins selecting Clausen with the No. 4 pick, while Todd McShay has them taking offensive tackle Russell Okung. Both have Bradford going No. 1 to St. Louis. (McShay has moved Clausen up his board to No. 9 to Buffalo.)

Okay, back to the Wonderlic ...

Edgar Thompson of the Palm Beach Post received some of the scores from a league source and reported that Bradford scored a 36 out of 50, Colt McCoy a 25, Clausen 23 and Tim Tebow 22. If you're curious, Jason Campbell's score coming out of college was reportedly a 23.

The Palm Beach Post explains that the average score for all quarterbacks is 24, but the
average for starting quarterbacks is 28.5.
The Wonderlic is essentially a 12-minute, 50-question test designed to
assess a player's problem-solving skills.

While there's some who don't believe there's a correlation between Wonderlic scores and football-ability, for the sake of comparison, let's throw a few other Wonderlic scores out there. Remember, the scores are not formally released, so numbers generally appear in media reports from unnamed sources.

Among the high scores in recent years: Drew Henson (42), Alex Smith (40), Eli Manning (39) and Charlie Frye (38). The next group includes quarterbacks like Tony Romo (37), Matt Leinart (35), Kellen Clemens (35). Then you have Drew Brees (28), Jay Cutler (26), Carson Palmer (26), Ben Roethlisberger (25) and Byron Leftwich (25). And from there,
we find guys like Tarvaris Jackson (19), Vince Young (16), Dan Marino (16), Jim Sorgi (15) and David Garrard (14).

So you can see that the scores are all over the map, and some of the high scores were turned in by players who didn't turn into All-Pros and some of the low scores were posted by guys who weren't exactly duds.

By Rick Maese  |  March 10, 2010; 2:26 PM ET
 
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Just to note, the twitter report by Edgar Thompson has Bradford scoring a 36, not 26.

Personally, I think the O-line is still a much bigger issue than QB right now, since we have (or should have) Campbell for another year.

Posted by: mlbogus | March 10, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I get the to the site, but I think Bradford scored 36 out of 50 not 26 out of 50.

Posted by: TWISI | March 10, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Bradford scored a 26 out of 50, Colt McCoy a 25, Clausen 23 and Tim Tebow 22. If you're curious, Jason Campbell's score coming out of college was reportedly a 23.

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None of them sound very high or low.

They were all pretty mediocre. Who cares? :)

Posted by: filmchis | March 10, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Ben Roethlisberger (25)

who didn't know, he would be on the lower side or below average?

Posted by: tony325 | March 10, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

We got Samuels and he lasted us 10 good years. We need a young anchor on the left side to replace him and I think management knows this and feel like we will be drafting Okung at 4. It only makes sense.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 10, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

So judging by the scores, the Wonderlic test is basically worthless

Posted by: Predator48 | March 10, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Thought VY scored a 6 not a 16.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 10, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how Dan Marino ever made it as a starting QB. Seems like he was doomed to be a bust. Now Drew Henson, Charlie Frye, and Alex Smith: Those are players!

F this stupid test.

Posted by: dcwun | March 10, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"Edgar Thompson of the Palm Beach Post received some of the scores from a league source..."

league source has been busy!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

And a happy Big Al is hopefully a less winded Big Al...

Posted by: HustlerofCulture | March 10, 2010 1:56 PM

I think you're confusing a happy Big Al with an in-shape Big Al.

Posted by: League-Source |

On the other hand, it might be fun at camp watching a winded Haynesworth trying to chase down an out-of-shape Portis.

Posted by: TheCork | March 10, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Can we stop the JC talk? It is such a worn out topic. People using the "dump down" argument do not account for the oline he played with the last 2 years, people who attribute his record down at the end of games do not account for the terrible wrs he has had or the lack of, again, an oline protecting him... enabling him to make the necessary throws.

Is he a pro-bowl qb? No, is he the future in DC, probably not. Is he the main problem on this team? No. Clearly, none of you had any problems with the man 2 years ago when we were sitting at 6-2, he was playing like a pro-bowl qb and our team was winning. Yet, take away the oline, any semblence of a running game, and imput a coach who, lost the team, no one trusted and was clearly overmatched and now hes the worst player in the history of DC and the main reason we went 4-12 last year.

People, understand football is a team game. Campbell has his issues, mainly he is pretty inaccurate, he makes some poor decisions and is slow to react, holding onto the ball too long... and he cant slide to save his life. But, how much of that is due to the fact that he just doesn't have talent around him? No open wrs force him to hold the ball. The fact that he DOES NOT FEEL at all comfortable in the pocket certainly hurts his accuracy, and his 0 running game makes him have to beat teams with 6-7 guys in coverage every play. He certainly is not the answer, but he is not the main problem... can we stop this please?

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 10, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Bradford scored a 26 out of 50, Colt McCoy a 25, Clausen 23 and Tim Tebow 22. If you're curious, Jason Campbell's score coming out of college was reportedly a 23.

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None of them sound very high or low.

They were all pretty mediocre. Who cares? :)

Posted by: filmchis |

I think you prefer NOT to have a QB with too high a wonderlic as well a not too low. If he does test to genius level, that shows outside interests, and outside interests distract from film study.

Posted by: TheCork | March 10, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

league source has been busy!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 2:39 PM

Not sure why he didn't just post those #s up here and skip the middle men.

Mike Florio does it all the time...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 10, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

1. BRadford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Suh/2nd best LT Prospect

Booked/Locked/Loaded

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Education on the new guy, Maake Kemoeatu.

When spelling it, remember Kemo Eat You.

When pronouncing it, each letter is pronounced ... Keh-meh-oh-AH-too.

His brother, Chris, plays guard in Pittsburgh, wears Super Bowl jewelry, and replaced Faneca.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, though, who cares?? I'll take Vince Young & his 16 score... come on JREID, give us some real news/insite!!

btw... gotta love a guy that weighs 350 lbs & his name could be decifered... KEMO EAT U!

Damn, last guy kinda stole my thunder.

Posted by: tony325 | March 10, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

What did Maese and Reid score on the Wonderlic? Or Shanahan and Allen? Or Snyder and Cerrato? Or Batman and Robin?

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

1. BRadford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Suh/2nd best LT Prospect

Booked/Locked/Loaded

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 2:44 PM

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Traded for 1st round swap and 3rd round pick

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The key is a good Wonderlic score and an accurate assessment of the player's drive, leadership ability and initiative. Some teams are a lot better than others at the second piece of that equation.

Posted by: NaptownSkins | March 10, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth at 330, Kemoeatu at 345 and Daniels at 285/290 would give the Redskins one of the biggest if not the biggest DL in the NFL.

Posted by: leopard09 | March 10, 2010 2:43 PM

Unregardless, they should all be sitting at Mike Williams' table in the cafeteria.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

It must be nice to just copy and paste from PFT, nice job Rick.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 10, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

We have to draft OL, it's so obvious. I mean what is the big dropoff between Okung and the next highest rated OT? Suh-no, McCoy-no, Bradford/Clausen-He11 no. Big ugly offensive lineman-YES!!!!

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 10, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Traded for 1st round swap and 3rd round pick

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse


Then we use the picks on Bryan Bulaga and Michael Petrus.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 10, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

artis hicks = good
ma'ake kemoeatu = good

mock drafts having us taking Okuuung = good

having an LJ or WP around instead of Betts or Cartwright = good

rams taking bradford = good

calussen to the bills = good

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Still trying to figure out if my eyes were fooling me, but did I see a post earlier that read "Running back Larry Johnson to visit Redskins"!? BA loves him some old FA's(Jeff Garcia, Brad Johnson, and Rich Gannon are a few QB's that come to mind)I would be surprised if we draft a QB with the 4th overall given BA track record, and MS's ability to coach players taken in the later rounds.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 10, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

F a Wonderlic score.

I want a guy who is accurate, can make all the throws with strength, can take a hit, scramble for the 1st down, can take a victory away, and is willing to b!tch out any lineman who consistently misses a blocking assignment.

Football is not a i.q. test.

It's a game.

Any dummy knows that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

1. Bradford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Traded for 1st round swap and 3rd round pick

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

We may disagree on Rogers/Hall, but I like your thinking on this one.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 10, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

We have to draft OL, it's so obvious. I mean what is the big dropoff between Okung and the next highest rated OT? Suh-no, McCoy-no, Bradford/Clausen-He11 no. Big ugly offensive lineman-YES!!!!

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 10, 2010 2:54 PM

The other guy besides oKOONG is the super fast and tall guy from Maryland, local boy Bruce Campbell.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

seems like there isn't a big drop off between Okuuuuuuuuuuung and A Davis, many mocks have those guys goin' 4,5 or 5,6 depending on what WE do

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

More importantly, are any of them mouth breathers? We need to steer clear of that mistake again.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 10, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I took the Wonderlic test -- it has to be about the most meaningless test a player could take.

They are like SAT questions. Last I looked, the guys getting the top SAT scores aren't playing in the NFL.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 10, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"The Wonderlic is essentially a 12-minute, 50-question test designed to
assess a player's problem-solving skills."



This is why Big Ben keeps getting in sexual assault trouble: he thinks a wonderlick is something he's entitled to.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Big ugly offensive lineman-YES!!!!

Posted by: iH8dallas

Wait, only ugly OL can apply?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 10, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

sween have you seen anyone rate Campbell higher than Davis or are you just saying that?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

There are better things one could use to determine a QB's mental state as it would help in football.

Logic tests could be useful, how are they with money, do they think its a good idea to support politically controversial groups just before they are drafted. Can you get dirt on stuff they did in college.

All good things to use when judging a QB to have good or bad judgment. A timed multiple choice test. Not so much.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

The other guy besides oKOONG is the super fast and tall guy from Maryland, local boy Bruce Campbell.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Bryan Bulaga should be considered. His arms are a little short but they are still in the adequate range and he has the lateral movement to play in a ZBS. He also run blocks pretty well. He might be a reach at #4 but so are the rest of the players other than Okung, Bradford, and the 2 DTs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 10, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Yeah right.

Everyone knows the wonderlic is THE test to determine success at QB in the NFL.

Signed,
Jason Maas

Posted by: RedDMV | March 10, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

This is why Big Ben keeps getting in sexual assault trouble: he thinks a wonderlick is something he's entitled to.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Which may explain why he did so well in the 40yrd dash

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 10, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Marino, a 16..He used to come in to RFK and kill us like a 36..

Posted by: frak | March 10, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

re: wunderlic

did ya see Marino's score? c'mon man and puh-leeeeeeeze

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

No such thing as a 12 minute intelligence test that's worth the 12 minutes it takes to complete it.

Shows you how important the NFL thinks intelligence is.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 10, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Shoulda picked up Shaun Smith.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 10, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

paskinsFan - you skipped over A Davis from Rutgers just like Sween, you 2 should check your facts

it's okung, davis, then either trent williams, bulaga, or campbell

people speculate al davis may reach for campbell at #8, but he's crazy

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I think you prefer NOT to have a QB with too high a wonderlic as well a not too low. If he does test to genius level, that shows outside interests, and outside interests distract from film study.

Posted by: TheCork | March 10, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse


Is this what Zorn meant with "Staying Medium"?

Ugh Zorn (flashback) ~~~~~~~~*

It's 2008 and the Redskins are 6-2 and Santana Moss and Clinton Portis are the #1 Fantasy WR and #1 Fantasy RB~~~~~~~~*

(flash forward)

It's 2010 and the Redskins are 6-18 since then!

F Medium lol

Seriously though these score don't make one Wonderlic of a difference!

Posted by: filmchis | March 10, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

It's sorta ironic that the new Lions GM said his team is made up of backup players, yet they whopped out azz. What does that say about our so-called playoff/superbowl team for 2009. Everyone, and I mean everyone should be on the "back-up" list until proven otherwise.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | March 10, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

just took the wunderlic...scored 51, here I come ashburn

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

It must be nice to just copy and paste from PFT, nice job Rick.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 10, 2010 2:54 PM

If only you had put 'Rick' in BOLD....lmao..

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

New mock drafts:

Kiper = Clausen #4
McShay = Okung #4

both have Bradford, Suh, & McCoy going 1,2,3.

Posted by: tony325 | March 10, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Can we stop the JC talk? It is such a worn out topic. People using the "dump down" argument do not account for the oline he played with the last 2 years, people who attribute his record down at the end of games do not account for the terrible wrs he has had or the lack of, again, an oline protecting him... enabling him to make the necessary throws.

Is he a pro-bowl qb? No, is he the future in DC, probably not. Is he the main problem on this team? No. Clearly, none of you had any problems with the man 2 years ago when we were sitting at 6-2, he was playing like a pro-bowl qb and our team was winning. Yet, take away the oline, any semblence of a running game, and imput a coach who, lost the team, no one trusted and was clearly overmatched and now hes the worst player in the history of DC and the main reason we went 4-12 last year.

People, understand football is a team game. Campbell has his issues, mainly he is pretty inaccurate, he makes some poor decisions and is slow to react, holding onto the ball too long... and he cant slide to save his life. But, how much of that is due to the fact that he just doesn't have talent around him? No open wrs force him to hold the ball. The fact that he DOES NOT FEEL at all comfortable in the pocket certainly hurts his accuracy, and his 0 running game makes him have to beat teams with 6-7 guys in coverage every play. He certainly is not the answer, but he is not the main problem... can we stop this please?

Posted by: peoplearestupid1

Can you stop re=posting the same sh!t on every thread...stupid-ass!!!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I remember someone I think ESPN once had a wonderlic sample test on line, I took it and scored something like a 38 or 40. I guess I am a great NFL QB.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

pft says Antonio Bryant has signed with the Bengals ... which means T.O. is still avaiable!

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

New mock drafts:

Kiper = Clausen #4
McShay = Okung #4

both have Bradford, Suh, & McCoy going 1,2,3.

Posted by: tony325 | March 10, 2010 3:15 PM

Okung will not last until the 4th pick. Ga-ren-teed!

And Clausen hasn't done SJK yet! Where is Learned and dem other jokers who were lauding Clausen earlier in the season and was thought I was hating?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

sween have you seen anyone rate Campbell higher than Davis or are you just saying that?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 3:01 PM

This guy ...

http://www.walterfootball.com/mattfiveoffense.php

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Rick Maese tweets Antonio Bryant signs with Bengals.

Posted by: Predator48 | March 10, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

you realize i do it becasue while im typing it a new post comes and people leave? I want my post to be read... obviously, thats why i write it, so i mean i recopy it on the new post so everyone can see it.... jcnjcnj...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 10, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

So, essentially, the Wonderlic tells us that you can be a successful QB in this league, as long as:

1) You have a high score
2) You have a low score
3) You have a score anywhere in-between

Sounds like a pretty awesome test!

Posted by: BT23 | March 10, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Also, look at the 40 speed for Campbell compared to the other guys ...

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/positions/OT.php

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Surfing the web, found this fun note.
http://www.freelinks.com/guide/test/wonderlic.php
What is an average score for those who take the Wonderlic Test?
Compare your score versus average scores in some careers are -

31 - Chemist
29 - Programmer
26 - Newswriter
24 - Sales
22 - Bank teller
21 - Clerical Worker
17 - Security Guard
15 - Warehouse

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Probably better off keeping JC for another year. No future hof qb's in this bunch.

JC while not great, won't lose a bunch of games for us. It looks like our defense should be better so, we can win some games next year.

It's going to take time to undo the screw up that buttboyVinny and screwball Danny left for the Redskins.

Take an the top OT.

Posted by: Jaymand | March 10, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Bryant 4 years, 28 million... not sure what the guarantee is.

Posted by: tony325 | March 10, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Hold on a minute. The Wonderlic scores are a part of the puzzle. They are not the whole enchilada. It's just like the combine. It's just like the tape. I think this is a positive for Bradford and it further solidifies his position at the top of the drop. Of course, he has to put on a good show during his private workout, but it sounds like he's been working hard. Unless this guy screws up royally, he is going to Saint Louis.

Conversely, I think this is a detractor for Clausen. Scouts have been questioning his ability to lead and now they are going to question his intelligence, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

... People, understand football is a team game. ...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 10, 2010 2:42 PM

Who are these "people" you are addressing? And do you appreciate the irony in someone with your name making this request?

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Rick Maese tweets Antonio Bryant signs with Bengals.

Posted by: Predator48 | March 10, 2010 3:20 PM

I repeat, T.O. is still available in free agency. While I expect that signing him would drive Skins fans crazy, just THINK about how b@tsh!t crazy that would drive Philly and Dallas fans ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I hear Maese and Reid took it (Wunderlic), did pretty well, but turned it in late and were DQ'd.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 10, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The other guy besides oKOONG is the super fast and tall guy from Maryland, local boy Bruce Campbell.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse
I think Campbell is a project, might not be ready to play at beginning of season.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan drafted a QB only once in the first round, in his 20+ years coaching. He drafted Griese in the 3rd round and picked up Jake Plummer as a free agent.

I think he's going OL with his first round pick.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

24 - Sales
22 - Bank teller

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 3:23 PM

Yeah, but have any of them taken snaps under center?

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

you realize i do it becasue while im typing it a new post comes and people leave? I want my post to be read... obviously, thats why i write it, so i mean i recopy it on the new post so everyone can see it.... jcnjcnj...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1

ok...thats acceptable..i have the same thing happen to me also...but 1 re-post will do after that just do as i do and move on..those who missed it just missed it...the blog will keep moving..it like time..you cant get it back...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

are you kidding me with that Bryant contract....wow...thats almost as bad as the one the lions did for Burleson....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 10, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I think Campbell is a project, might not be ready to play at beginning of season.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 3:29 PM

Why?

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

What I heard about Bruce Campbell is that he tests way better than he plays.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 10, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

MY $$ says T.O. coming here next....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

sween have you seen anyone rate Campbell higher than Davis or are you just saying that?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 3:01 PM

This guy ...

http://www.walterfootball.com/mattfiveoffense.php

Posted by: dcsween

gracias

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

paskinsFan - you skipped over A Davis from Rutgers just like Sween, you 2 should check your facts

it's okung, davis, then either trent williams, bulaga, or campbell

people speculate al davis may reach for campbell at #8, but he's crazy

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

We left him out intentionally. He hasn't shown that he has the athleticism to play in a ZBS. I think he's be pretty good somewhere else though.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 10, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

What I heard about Bruce Campbell is that he tests way better than he plays.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 10, 2010 3:33 PM

So how was the carry out and falling asleep in front of Meryl Streep DVD?

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I repeat, T.O. is still available in free agency. While I expect that signing him would drive Skins fans crazy, just THINK about how b@tsh!t crazy that would drive Philly and Dallas fans ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Crazy? They would die of laughter.

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 10, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

campbell is a mike mamula type, works out great, doesn't always translate on the field...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 10, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

thanks

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Yes, googling Mayock and Bruce Campbell, I see the "buyer beware" label placed on him. Clearly, Mayock has a grudge against Campbell's agent (either than or I'm just completely wrong ... not that THAT hasn't happened before).

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

What I heard about Bruce Campbell is that he tests way better than he plays.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 10, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I will say that I would love to have Bruce Campbell for if we need to fight off some zombies

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Sample Wonderlic test quetions:

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

I got 14 out of 15 correct, ran out of time.

Posted by: isnadd | March 10, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

http://www.walterfootball.com/mattfiveoffense.php

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:20 PM


Is Walter a scout or something? Why does his opinion matter anymore more than yours or mine? Im curious because this is not the first time I have seen his website posted as a credible source for rating of nfl players and prospects.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 10, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

think Campbell is a project, might not be ready to play at beginning of season.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 3:29 PM

Why?

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse
If I remember correctly, he only played one season at MD, and the tapes of his play were not that good. He had a great combine, but the tapes are more important(unless you're Al Davis).

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I hear Maese and Reid took it (Wunderlic), did pretty well, but turned it in late and were DQ'd.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 10, 2010 3:28 PM

They'd copied it off PFT, ESPN, and the Examiner. Otherwise it was entirely their own work, not based on first-hand research.

Posted by: League-Source | March 10, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

paskinsFan - you skipped over A Davis from Rutgers just like Sween, you 2 should check your facts

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 3:09 PM

I was pimping Davis earlier as that guy from Rutgers whose name I couldn't remember ... but then he posted a Smoot-like number of reps benching at the Combine. I understand about Campbell taking plays off, but leading up to the Combine, seemed like Davis was taking months off ... not sure why he didn't fake a pectoral injury or something. If "fast" is important for zone blocking, then the guy from Oklahoma seems (Trent Williams) was as fast as Campbell.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

ok...thats acceptable..i have the same thing happen to me also...but 1 re-post will do after that just do as i do and move on..those who missed it just missed it...the blog will keep moving..it like time..you cant get it back...
Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 3:32 PM |

Sometimes I hit submit and I’m not sure that it “took” so I hit submit again and my posts shows up twice in a row. That actually happens a lot up here. Is that okay too? I just want to make sure it’s okay with you, and want to know what to do if it happens to me again……thanks in advance.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 10, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

just for the record

"It does not appear the Redskins are targeting offensive linemen who have primarily worked in zone schemes. Hicks said Minnesota was 50-50 in terms of zone and power plays"

"most teams incorporate zone elements while running so-called power plays."

"I think 99 percent of the teams are zone blocking," center Casey Rabach said. "I mean, yeah, you have some power plays where you pull a guard and you block back, and it's not so much zone blocking. But every run play has a zone element to it. The outside stretch play can only be blocked so many ways. The inside zone play can only be blocked so many ways. It's not a big difference of what we've done in the past. The biggest difference that Shanahan's offensive lines have done in the past, compared to what we probably did, was the cut blocking. It eliminates backside defenders and backside pursuit. And, you know, play calling is going to be different. I think those are the biggest factors."

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

just THINK about how b@tsh!t crazy that would drive Philly and Dallas fans ...

Posted by: dcsween

You mean they would go b@tsh!t crazy laughing at how stupid the skins would be for signing him.
Unless TO can somehow learn to block DeMarcus Ware, all of a sudden, no thanks, because he is not the WR he used to be.

Posted by: Predator48 | March 10, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

No way T.O. signs here.

Seattle and Oakland comes to mind first.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 10, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

think Campbell is a project, might not be ready to play at beginning of season.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 3:29 PM

Why?

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse
If I remember correctly, he only played one season at MD, and the tapes of his play were not that good. He had a great combine, but the tapes are more important(unless you're Al Davis).

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 3:41 PM
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Good athletes don't always become good football players. I think that's the mantra on Campbell. Combine tests for speed, strength, jumping, etc. but it does not test for reaction time, balance, use of leverage and football smarts. Scouts have to look at everything to make a clear assessment. I hear Campbell is a reach in the first round despite his freakish athletic ability. There's a kid from West Virginia - Selvish Capers - that also has some freakish abilities and his game tape is a lot better than Campbell's.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

MY $$ says T.O. coming here next....

Posted by: 4thFloor |

you must be broke...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

What I heard about Bruce Campbell is that he tests way better than he plays.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 10, 2010 3:33 PM

So how was the carry out and falling asleep in front of Meryl Streep DVD?

Posted by: dcsween

I did better than that :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 10, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is a freak athlete. Thats it tho. Go to Youtube and look for yourself. Look up Bruce Campbell at UMD. You can see him get beat consistently, both inside and out. That is not to say tht he cannot develop into a decent tackle, but it is to say that he is a project. He will take time, but people like the raiders will see his 4.85 40 and his ridiculously athletic frame and think they can mold him into a pro bowler... tough, but hes not a guy the skins can take a risk on. Our line is too flaky as it is and for him to not pan out would kill us even more... Campbell is a great "prospect" but he will not be a productive tackle in the NFL this upcoming season, and we all know we need to find the next Chris Samuels or were pretty fing screwed haha...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 10, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"And, you know, play calling is going to be different. I think those are the biggest factors."

GOD, yes!

Posted by: RedDMV | March 10, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

people with long arms will not score well on the bench press.

"he won the bench press at his position, which is great if you need a guy to do a bunch of bench presses on the sideline" unknown - I heard during the combine coverage last year

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Is Walter a scout or something? Why does his opinion matter anymore more than yours or mine? Im curious because this is not the first time I have seen his website posted as a credible source for rating of nfl players and prospects.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 10, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't think so. I think Walter just kind of puts everything together. Matt McGuire seems to write all their scouting reports. I think Walter was a sportswriter. I guess he just runs the website now. It's not bad. I think it's one of the better draft websites out there.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 10, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

From John Keim regarding Kemoeatu's contract

Kemoeatu is a typical beefy nose tackle: He's 6-foot-5, 345 pounds and strong against the run. He's also 31 and may or may not be ready for training camp. His two-year, $7 million contract is front-loaded and contains roster bonuses and workout bonuses.

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Looks like the Skins cover themselves. If he isn't healed up, or if play declines, they can let him go on the cheap.

Posted by: TWISI | March 10, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Janitor Faces Prison After Stealing World Series Ring

3/09/2010 12:46 PM ET By Tom Fornelli

On Monday a janitor who worked at Citizens Bank Ballpark pleaded guilty to stealing a World Series ring he found in a bathroom at the ballpark last summer, and now he's facing up to seven years behind bars.

53-year old Anthony Mobley was making his usual rounds of cleaning up the Phillies' ballpark on August 31 when he found a 2008 World Series championship ring in a bathroom on the executive-suite level of the park just sitting there. Instead of turning it in, Mobley did something that a lot of baseball fans might consider doing. He wrapped the thing up in some paper towel, put it in his pocket, and walked off.

Unfortunately for Mobley, there are cameras at Citizens Bank and they showed him entering the bathroom in which the ring was left by a member of the Phillies marketing team, and after being questioned by police about it, Mobley admitted to finding the ring. On September 3 Mobley led police to where he'd been hiding the ring in another bathroom at the park located in the stadium's Hall of Fame area.

So if you attended a Phillies game between August 31 and September 3 and used a bathroom in that area, you were in the presence of a ring with more than 100 diamonds in it that was worth $10,500.

Mobley did not testify during his court appearance, and though he faces up to seven years in prison, his defense attorney Jeff Azzarano is seeking a punishment that avoids jail time. Unfortunately for Mobley, this isn't his first run-in with the law, as he apparently has a felony record so Assistant District Attorney A.J. Nardozzi will be seeking prison time.

Mobley's sentencing is scheduled for June 2.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 10, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

What I heard about Bruce Campbell is that he tests way better than he plays.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 10, 2010 3:33 PM

So how was the carry out and falling asleep in front of Meryl Streep DVD?

Posted by: dcsween

I did better than that :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 10, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I hit submit and I’m not sure that it “took” so I hit submit again and my posts shows up twice in a row. That actually happens a lot up here. Is that okay too? I just want to make sure it’s okay with you, and want to know what to do if it happens to me again……thanks in advance.

Posted by: dlhaze1 |

Well dlhaze1...your problem is unique..i have seen ur double post but i was talking about the blogger posting the same stuff on every thread we had today...sometimes i read older thread that i missed during the day and i think others do too. know the only advice i have for you is to be patient after you enter or refresh your screen to see if your entry made it..or get a new isp or and new computer...you welcome in advance..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I thought Marino scored a 13 not a 16.

Posted by: clark202 | March 10, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I hit submit and I’m not sure that it “took” so I hit submit again and my posts shows up twice in a row. That actually happens a lot up here. Is that okay too? I just want to make sure it’s okay with you, and want to know what to do if it happens to me again……thanks in advance.

Posted by: dlhaze1 |

Well dlhaze1...your problem is unique..i have seen ur double post but i was talking about the blogger posting the same stuff on every thread we had today...sometimes i read older thread that i missed during the day and i think others do too. know the only advice i have for you is to be patient after you enter or refresh your screen to see if your entry made it..or get a new isp or and new computer...you welcome in advance..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 3:55 PM
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Thank you Dear F_ing Abbey

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

the mock on walter has Campbell going at #8 to Raiders, after okung and bulaga

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 10, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Dear F_ing Abbey

Posted by: RedSkinHead |

LMAO...thats funny!!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

MY $$ says T.O. coming here next....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 3:35 PM

Save some of that $$ for a post-tax-day bottle for a certain blogger up here...

Posted by: 4-12 | March 10, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't serious about T.O. Given that the grown ups are in charge now, I doubt that he himself would even want to play here.

I stood corrected about Bruce "Mamula" Campbell almost as soon as a I posted it. Stay nimble, people (and I mean that in a nice way, not in a peopleRstupid way).

So when do the free agent free safeties start rolling in ... and where is Ryan Lilja?

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm very interested in Mrs. Hasslebeck's score on the practical Wonder Lick.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 10, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

They ought to give the Wonderlic tests to the agents. Wonder what Rosenhaus would score. It'd be higher than Danny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 10, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

jcnjcnj... i have not posted the same post on every thread thank you. Twice, I posed something on one thread, only to see a new one was finally posted by Jreid or someone and then copied that post on the new thread. Both times it was a different post form me, but I will admit I did that twice... just it was 2 different, seperate topics. As to anyone who posts multiple posts in a row... thats fine who cares as long as its not an everyday, everytime thing. Every now and then we make mistakes, it happens.... and Redskinhead... you are welcome.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 10, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

the point here is...drafting a qb is a crap shoot and we shouldnt gamble with the #4 pick...

we should take a lineman or trade down and pick a qb later in the draft...

Posted by: deadskin | March 10, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

They ought to give the Wonderlic tests to the agents. Wonder what Rosenhaus would score. It'd be higher than Danny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 10, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Lavar's agent would have scored below 10.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 10, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The Bengals give A Bryant $28 million over 4 years? -- that is nuts. Seems like some teams are just losing their minds this FA season. Glad that the Redskins are not one of them (for a change).

Posted by: manlius1 | March 10, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

the point here is...drafting a qb is a crap shoot and we shouldnt gamble with the #4 pick...

we should take a lineman or trade down and pick a qb later in the draft...

Posted by: deadskin

what point? no ones talking about that sh!t at this time...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Save some of that $$ for a post-tax-day bottle for a certain blogger up here...

Posted by: 4-12 | March 10, 2010 4:02 PM

Double or Nothing??

(j/king)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm still wondering about the guard from Indy

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 10, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

the point here is...drafting a qb is a crap shoot and we shouldnt gamble with the #4 pick...

we should take a lineman or trade down and pick a qb later in the draft...

Posted by: deadskin

what point? no ones talking about that sh!t at this time...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

the point of the meaning of the wonderlic test or drafting a qb with a top 5 pick or later i the draft...

but i see youd rather talk about picking up TO...thats a really intelligent discussion...

Posted by: deadskin | March 10, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

both mcshay and kiper are dumb...

Posted by: nhizzat | March 10, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

They ought to give the Wonderlic tests to the agents. Wonder what Rosenhaus would score.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 10, 2010 4:05 PM

Zero. He wouldn't like the first question, then not answer and shout "next question!"

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: terrapin3 | March 10, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

F a Wonderlic score.

I want a guy who is accurate, can make all the throws with strength, can take a hit, scramble for the 1st down, can take a victory away, and is willing to b!tch out any lineman who consistently misses a blocking assignment.

Football is not a i.q. test.

It's a game.

Any dummy knows that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Ummm...out of this draft you just described Tim Tebow.

Interesting indeed...

Posted by: Devo2 | March 10, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Not sure of the point of this.. seems to me smarter is better but not a lock on who will be successful. What we know is Campbell has not been successful. 6-18 his last 24 starts. And sorry he has to take some responsibility.. can't blame it all on a couple of OL men. JC needs to be traded.. and Skins need a fresh start. Then hopefully Colt gets a shot but Skins still need to draft a QB (just in case) Still think Clausen is their best option...

Posted by: sovine08 | March 10, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

The WONDERLIC is a reading comprehension test where you answer as many of 50 questions correctly as you can in, I believe, 12 minutes. I used it on my students to identify those who would have difficulty passing a state insurance licence examination. 25 proved to be the general cut-off for first time passage of the state exam. Scores below that median SOMETIMES proved the individual to be reading deficiant. Below twenty. it was virtually impossible to pass on the first try although I had exceptions of course.

Most below 25 took the examination more than once before being successful. I should point out that WONDERLIC has many different tests measuring different variables among individuals. Whether this particular test for the NFL measures reading ability I do not know of course.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 10, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

sovine08 you lose credibility when you end your post with "hopefully Colt gets a shot". Dude, give it up already!!

Posted by: SPUD2 | March 10, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

So it appears the Redskins knew they were drafting a dunderhead when they took JC17 in the draft, but somehow thought they could make him into a winning pro quarterback anyway.

The question now becomes, how much longer will they hang onto this proven imbecile?

Posted by: Vic1 | March 10, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Marino is considered a recent score??? that was odd- he came out in 1983- why would they include him??

Posted by: danredmondfootball | March 10, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Just like us to use a test that has predispositions to REDLINE a position to make the majority feel comfortable. I'm so glad Marino scored poorly on this test to disprove it's validity.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | March 11, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Just like us to use a test that has predispositions to REDLINE a position to make the majority feel comfortable. I'm so glad Marino scored poorly on this test to disprove it's validity.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | March 11, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

sovine08 you lose credibility when you end your post with "hopefully Colt gets a shot". Dude, give it up already!!
Posted by: SPUD2
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Dude read Redskins.com.. It says Shanahan is going to give Colt a shot.. And I don't know why that is crazy to ask for. Great college numbers, great first preseason... already signed for this year.. why wouldn't you want to give him a shot??? Meanwhile you still want to keep JC?? 5 years a proven FAILURE!!! Talk about no credibility.

Posted by: sovine08 | March 11, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Not to be confused with the diplick test, where JC17 excelled.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 12, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

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