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Posted at 2:11 PM ET, 02/24/2011

NFL Combine challenge: Evaluating spread quarterbacks

By Mike Jones

It's Day 1 of the NFL combine, and contrary to what you might think, very little is going on. There are no workouts today. Day 1 is the day for offensive linemen, kickers, long snappers and tight ends to have measurements taken and physical exams conducted. They're given the Wonderlic test, and they interview with teams. Those players' workouts won't take place until Saturday.

Meantime, as media members wait to interview the prospects, NFL coaches and team officials are made available and so far have provided some interesting nuggets on various topics, quarterbacks being one of them.

In many mock drafts, the Washington Redskins are projected to take either Auburn's Cam Newton or Missouri's Blaine Gabbert with the No. 10 pick. Both are extremely talented, but there are questions as to how their games will translate to the NFL.

Like many of their fellow quarterback prospects, Gabbert and Newton ran variations of the spread offense for their respective schools; that meant operating out of a shotgun formation and rarely taking snaps under center. It also meant Gabbert and Newton went off hot reads and didn't have to read defenses much.

Because of the differences, it's not always easy to predict how a passer's talents will translate to the NFL game.

"It's a different quarterback group," Buffalo Coach Chan Gailey says. "These guys have been in a lot of different types of offenses. It's not just your cut and dry pro-style of quarterbacks in this draft. So you're projecting a little bit more maybe than in the past on this group. There's a few of them that have been in that. Just like in the last couple years, there's guys that haven't been under center very often. How are they going to react? How are they going to be able to handle that? You can handle it in shorts. But can you handle it when there's big guys on the other side about two yards away coming at you?"


The lack of pro-style experience on the part of the top quarterback prospects means NFL front offices must conduct even more in-depth analysis of a passer's game than they would already.

"You really have to do your homework with the way they play in college, and it being very different from what we run in the NFL," Dolphins General Manager Jeff Ireland says. "There are so many variations of the spread offense. So you absolutely have to do your homework."

Transitioning from the spread to an NFL offense definitely isn't impossible. And experience in an unconventional system shouldn't be viewed as a negative, says Baltimore Coach John Harbaugh, who four years ago took Delaware's spread-offense passer Joe Flacco 18th overall and turned him into the Ravens' franchise quarterback.

"The spread offense and the adaptation to playing under center is a big challenge, and more and more guys do that," Harbaugh says. "But I don't think you can make the assumption that guys can't do that. You can't rule a guy out because so many guys do that in college football. I think it does put a premium on the Andrew Lucks of the world, whenever he does come out, guys that have played in a pro-style offense, because you see what you're getting. But when we saw [Flacco], we saw certain skills: catch to release, way more athleticism than you would realize for a guy his size. So we thought he could make the transition."

Another key to helping ease the transition is finding ways to alleviate pressure on that young quarterback by giving him adequate support.

"The No. 1 key is put a good team around him," Harbaugh says. "That means a good defense, good offensive line, good running game around him. The better team you can put around a quarterback, the better off he's going to be."

And that brings us back to the Redskins' situation: Do they have enough pieces in place to provide that much-needed support that would help a Gabbert or Newton succeed? Or, would they be better off filling some of those other needs first, and then going after a quarterback a little further down the road?

By Mike Jones  | February 24, 2011; 2:11 PM ET
Categories:  quarterbacks  
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Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Mike Jones is the bomb.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

There's a big difference between a spread offense and a spread-option offense, I believe.

A spread offense is when you go shotgun alot.

Spread option is when you go shotgun, and either throw it to your one read or pull it down and run.

As the NFL has become more of a passing game with rules tilting in favor of QBs/WRs, there have been quite a few college spread offense QBs that have made a successful transition to the pros - Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Bradford, Flacco.

Spread option QB is a bit different - Vince Young, Pat White are 2 examples.

Cam Newton is a spread-option guy.

I don't know what Blaine Gabbert is except a wierd name.

Posted by: p1funk | February 24, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Spread option QB is a bit different - Vince Young, Pat White are 2 examples.

Cam Newton is a spread-option guy.

I don't know what Blaine Gabbert is except a wierd name.

Posted by: p1funk | February 24, 2011 2:28 PM

Is Michael Vick a spread option guy?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what Blaine Gabbert is except a wierd name.

Posted by: p1funk | February 24, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Pretty similar to Cam except instead of tucking and running with the ball he checks down to a receiver.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

here's a big difference between a spread offense and a spread-option offense, I believe.

A spread offense is when you go shotgun alot.

-There is also a difference between a spread option passing read and spread option run reads. Pat White ran what is known as "the belly option" which was predicated off the run not the pass. VY ran a more traditional spread with more passing option, players like Sweed helped them run this form of the spread at Texas, players like Steve Slaton helped Pat run his version at WV. Vick just ran a lot.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

My option would be to spread the draft picks around D front seven and the O line.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 24, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of QBs....

Raiders HC Hue Jackson: There's not a position, other than QB, that I wouldn't just look at in draft and say we don't need anybody.

He must be in love with the Polish Cannon Bruce G.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I love the idea of trading # 10 for more picks.

I hate the idea of sitting through that bs on draft night.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of QBs....

Raiders HC Hue Jackson: There's not a position, other than QB, that I wouldn't just look at in draft and say we don't need anybody.


Posted by: Diesel44

not sure I can even decipher that sentence with all those negatives

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

players like Sweed helped them run this form of the spread at Texas, players like Steve Slaton helped Pat run his version at WV. Vick just ran a lot.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 24, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

This is an excellent point re: college WRs. Just as the various versions of college spread offenses can make it trickier to project QBs in the NFL, the college spreads wreak almost as much havoc when you try to project WRs.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

not sure I can even decipher that sentence with all those negatives

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2011 2:53 PM

Good thing he didn't finish by saying 'don't need nobody'...I was already on the brink of a seizure.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 24, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Wow, me too. Whaaaaaat?

I think he just called Cam Newton an icon?!?

Is that a triple negative or a double negative neutralized with a single negative?

My head hurts.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Mike, didn't they explain about the land mines?

duck & cover, boys.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Hue Jackson's quote makes him a toastmaster candidate compared to ex coach Tom Cable.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Gabbert's game at Missouri was very different from Newton's at Auburn. For example:

Gabbert 475 pass attempts, 112 runs
Newton 280 pass attempts, 264 runs

Not unfair to describe Gabbert as a passer who ran a fair amount. Cam is a true run-pass QB.

That's why Newton is more difficult to evaluate. There aren't any true run-pass QBs in the NFL, at least not for long. In Vick's biggest rushing year, 2006, he ran 123 times and threw 388. Last season he ran 100 times vs 372 pass attempts. And that's the best running QB ever. I mean, Vick was once among the 3 or 4 fastest men in the NFL, regardless of position. Newton won't be.

He's just a high-risk pick. Not his fault, really.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

This is an excellent point re: college WRs. Just as the various versions of college spread offenses can make it trickier to project QBs in the NFL, the college spreads wreak almost as much havoc when you try to project WRs.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I never got why Pitt drafted Sweed anyway. I don't see how he fits their offense.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 24, 2011 2:28 PM

Is Michael Vick a spread option guy?

That's what she said.

Posted by: ash10 | February 24, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Redskins ought to be looking at quarterbacks who have a history of taking lots of sacks, hits and other such punishment -- as in, routinely pummeled, sacrificed and laid out flat on the field. I mean, what other franchise is so well experienced at turning pro quarterbacks into road kill?

Posted by: Vic1 | February 24, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

About transitioning from the college spread to a pro set: IMO the most successful cases are those that take it slow. Joe Flacco is an example. The Ravens and Cam Cameron restricted themselves to less than half the playbook and deliberately altered the pass blocking to make sure Flacco seldom had somebody in his face when he let go of the ball. It didn't hurt that he's a tall guy who can see over the blockers and doesn't rely that much on mobility to avoid the rush.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Vic, I thought that was what McNubbin was supposa be?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Here's another point of comparison for Newton:

Tim Tebow's last year at Fla: 314 passes, 217 runs
Newton: 280 & 264

And Newton only has the one season in college to reference.

It's just a real challenge. Gonna take a riverboat gambler to spend a high pick on the guy.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

RB Mark Ingram - 1st round
WR Jon Baldwin - 2nd round
QB Jamarcus Russell - free agent

Make some bold moves Shanny.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 24, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"...routinely pummeled, sacrificed and laid out flat on the field. I mean, what other franchise is so well experienced at turning pro quarterbacks into road kill?Posted by: Vic1"

A fair number of them, unfortunately. But there probably should be a stat on how individual QBs perform when pressured.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"The Ravens and Cam Cameron restricted themselves to less than half the playbook and deliberately altered the pass blocking to make sure Flacco seldom had somebody in his face when he let go of the ball. It didn't hurt that he's a tall guy who can see over the blockers and doesn't rely that much on mobility to avoid the rush."

Sonny said about the same thing when Lombardi took over: He simplified the playbook and made the game more natural..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

... I mean, what other franchise is so well experienced at turning pro quarterbacks into road kill?

Posted by: Vic1 | February 24, 2011 3:24 PM

Instead of trying to patch things up with Donovan McNabb (Skins #2 QB), maybe they should trade for and make up with #2 guy in Minnesota, Patrick Ramsey.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Watch out for WinAmp, I was locked offline for three hours (a good thing!!), but as soon as I uninstalled WinAmp, I was set free to fly through the clouds...just sayin'..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

RB Mark Ingram - 1st round
WR Jon Baldwin - 2nd round
QB Jamarcus Russell - free agent

Make some bold moves Shanny.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 24, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the worst suggestions in the history of RI. Congrats, please punch yourself in the face.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Sidney Rice would seriously rock as a Redskin..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The Oakland Raiders placed their franchise tag on linebacker Kamerion Wimbley and agreed to an extension with cornerback Stanford Routt, sources told ESPN.com's John Clayton.

By receiving the franchise tag, Wimbley was offered a one-year tender at $10.151 million.

Routt agreed to a three-year, $31.5 million contract that included $20 million in guarantees, a source told ESPN.com.


******

OAK also paid big $$ to Seymour.

Which means if there is any sort of salary cap, I don't think they can afford Nnamdi. I doubt we'd get Nnamdi, but I could see the other 3 teams in our division making a run at him -- philly becomes a top contender if they can nab him. Nnamdi played before for rob ryan, the new dallas DC.

Also makes it harder for OAK to sign their other FA -- and they do have some talent on the block.

Among them, Robert Gallery (G, will be 31 for the 2011 season) and Michael Bush (power RB, 27 this season).

Being in the 'go young' camp, I'm not suggesting we grab any of these guys -- but they are good players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

After leaving the Skins, Ramsey went to the Jets.

Since playing for the Jets, Ramsey has had the playbook for the Titans, Lions, Saints, Jaguars, Dolphins, and Vikings ... all within the past two years. At a minimum, Skins could get insider playbook info for about a fifth of the league.

Next season (if there is one), Skins play the Jets, Vikings, and Dolphins.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Sidney Rice would seriously rock as a Redskin..

Posted by: frak

I'm gonna put myself down in the "definitely interested' column for Rice. Guy is young and solves a long term problem for this team. The issue is the cost ... and it could be a ton.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Which means if there is any sort of salary cap, I don't think they can afford Nnamdi. I

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Wait...I thought we are going to be like $40 million+ under any projected cap, if there is one. I thought we cleared all the dead space in the uncapped 2010 season.

Not saying I want to sign N.A....just that the cap would not stop us as far as I am aware.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse


Sidney Rice would seriously rock as a Redskin..

Posted by: frak

I'm gonna put myself down in the "definitely interested' column for Rice. Guy is young and solves a long term problem for this team. The issue is the cost ... and it could be a ton.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Me too!

I think Rice is only 24, but he's been in the league, what like three years?

That's probably on paper the best free agent you will find. Young, but experienced.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 24, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

RACHEL TIME!!! (NFL Live)..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

No to Rice. He's injury prone and has had ONE productive season with Adrian Peterson, top 5 OL, and Farve before he learned out to text. He wants top 5 money without the Resume.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

That's probably on paper the best free agent you will find. Young, but experienced.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 24, 2011 3:58 PM |

Which is why he's going to command such a large contract that Brownwood is going to throw up in his mouth. Or, maybe on his keyboard.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Not saying I want to sign N.A....just that the cap would not stop us as far as I am aware.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 24, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I think 30% of our team is a FA next year and we don't have 16 draft picks in 2012. We need cap space. Even if we don't want to keep all of our guys we'll have to sign some guys to replace them.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

That's probably on paper the best free agent you will find. Young, but experienced.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 24, 2011 3:58 PM |

Which is why he's going to command such a large contract that Brownwood is going to throw up in his mouth. Or, maybe on his keyboard.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Well, even so I wouldn't be upset if we spent that money.

Of course I would rather have FA money spent on Ryan Harris and Harvey Dahl.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 24, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Sidney is 6'4" and as fast as greased lightning..At 24 years of age, he's going to be a gem in somebody's championship crown..

http://www.nfl.com/players/sidneyrice/profile?id=RIC161100

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Sidney is 6'4" and as fast as greased lightning..At 24 years of age, he's going to be a gem in somebody's championship crown..

http://www.nfl.com/players/sidneyrice/profile?id=RIC161100

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

If we get him we should keep McNabb and change the offensive scheme. I'd draft John Clay from Wisconsin and try to run the ball and throw deep a lot.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

If we get him we should keep McNabb and change the offensive scheme. I'd draft John Clay from Wisconsin and try to run the ball and throw deep a lot.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

This team already throws deep a lot, and I love it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 24, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I think Rice is only 24, but he's been in the league, what like three years?

Most of the players in this year's FA class are like Rice in that they are at the end of their 1st NFL Contract.

We could come out of FA with 3-4 starters, easy.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

not happy about the Celts getting gutted.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

NFL Combine challenge: Evaluating spread quarterbacks

Didn't we chat about this ourselves a couple of days ago?

I don't remember.

I was too busy training for the NFL Fan Combine.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The Oakland Raiders placed their franchise tag on linebacker Kamerion Wimbley ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2011 3:49 PM

I sat behind Kam Wimberly on a flight from Baltimore to Cleveland on the morning before he was drafted. The conventional wisdom at the time was that the Browns were going to be taking Ngata and then the Ravens were going to be taking Wimberly, but when the Browns were up, they announced a trade with Baltimore, who picked Ngata.

Big surprise to everyone (except me). Wimberly was a large, large man. My closest brush with NFL fame. This was back when Southwest still served peanuts.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain to me why the Redskins should not draft a QB at #10?

I understand that we have a TON of holes on this team with no dominance on either side of the ball, but why are so many quick to assume that a late round QB pick will be the next Tom Brady.

I wouldn't have a problem with going defense with the #10 pick, but if there is a future franchise QB at #10 don't you have to take him.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 24, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Beantown, you guys got Jeff Green, a winnah, don't complain..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't have a problem with going defense with the #10 pick, but if there is a future franchise QB at #10 don't you have to take him.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 24, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Because there isn't a future franchise QB at 10. Next question.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

frak, Perk, Robinson, Erden, Harangody, all got dealt so far.....

Perk, while he couldn't score in a womens prison with a fist full of pardons, is a good defensive presence, not to mention that who is the starting center now??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"I wouldn't have a problem with going defense with the #10 pick, but if there is a future franchise QB at #10 don't you have to take him.

Posted by: rickyroge"

And where is this mystical 1st-round quarterback of which you speak??

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Bean-

Harangody!! Where did he go?? He'd make a great Bullet..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

samson151

Gonna take a riverboat gambler to spend a high pick on the guy( Cam Newton).

True.

But the thing about the lottery is that you don't win if you don't play.

Out of all the kids that are 'gambles' I'd say Newton's physical tools are worth the gamble.

Any team taking him will have to create a hyper-version of what the kid ran at Auburn and mesh it with what they already do.

The thing about Newton is that if he flops, well, it was expected.

But if he plays in the NFL as he's played on every level of football he's been on so far, the team that has him will have a major young star at quarterback.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

PA17- Clay offers nothing that we don't already have. The last thing we need is another 4.7 40 guy. Hate him...you and I could have run behind that OL.

Moe- this will be Rice's 5th YR. He's gone over 1k once in 4 YRs and with that O, that's inexcusable.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

" who is the starting center now??"

Uhh, Shamrock, Emerald?? Oh yeah, Garnett!!

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

PA17- Clay offers nothing that we don't already have. The last thing we need is another 4.7 40 guy. Hate him...you and I could have run behind that OL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

That's exactly WHY I want him. He is another Ryan Torain that will play when Ryan Torain get injured again. He should come cheap in the 5th round. We can use our comp pick to fortify our RB position.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Moe- this will be Rice's 5th YR. He's gone over 1k once in 4 YRs and with that O, that's inexcusable.

Posted by: Diesel44


I call "Bullsh*t", Diesel..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

frak, Semih Erden, and Harangody went to Cleveland for a 2nd.....they're clearing space for something....only 7 guys available for tonight's game.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Moe- this will be Rice's 5th YR. He's gone over 1k once in 4 YRs and with that O, that's inexcusable.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Diesel is H8ing!

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 24, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Diesel-

Everyone feels Rice's presence when he's on the field..ALL the great stars owe their teammates for their greatness..A champion is a holistic thing..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 4:45 PM | Report abuse

this will be Rice's 5th YR. He's gone over 1k once in 4 YRs and with that O, that's inexcusable.

My point is not that S Rice would be a great signing, but that the NFL FA class features a lot of under 28 guys at the end of their 1st contract as league-wide, teams doled out 4-5 year rookie contracts.

For example, we could still go into FA and leave with 2 wrs, a center, guard, corner, right tackle, outside linebacker, free safety, defensive end/tackle as starters or solid rotation guys.

And all of them would be young and affordable.

And that's what my Rice comparison alluded to.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Everyone feels Rice's presence when he's on the field..ALL the great stars owe their teammates for their greatness..A champion is a holistic thing..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget that the 1 season he went over 1,000 yards he had Brett Favre throwing to him and not Tavaris Jackson or Brad Johnson. So, no they didn't have a great offense the whole time Sidney was there. They had a great offense for 2 years and Sidney was hurt for 1 of them.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

while he couldn't score in a women's prison


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

If we just get two decent free agent offensive linemen I will be happy.

A linebacker wouldn't hurt either.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 24, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Wimberly was a large, large man. This was back when Southwest still served peanuts.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 4:27 PM

Next to Wimberly you were a peanut, but if you buy a ticket they'll still serve you. Plus, they'll check your bag for free.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 24, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

Plus, they'll check your bag for free.

I guess those airport workers really go out of their way to make sure you're not carrying a bomb.

airport worker: Lift your bag, sir.

I want to make sure you're safe.

Moe (reaching into his pants to pull out his sack): Sure.

And I've seen your commercials, so I expect my bag to fly free.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Wimberly was a large, large man. This was back when Southwest still served peanuts.

Posted by: dcsween

What???!!! No more peanuts? When the #@%$#@$^% did that happen?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

On Rice, there's no denying the talent. Even in 2010, he made some amazing grabs.

There are questions about his health, though since he played last year, I'd imagine they are less than they would have been had he not come back.

For us, he likely fills a major need -- for 5 years -- not for 2 years.

The real question is cost. We've got room under whatever cap there will be, but we've also got a ton of needs -- it'll be easy to chew up cap room and put ourselves back where we've been all too often. Also, not sure if we'd owe Minny compensation.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

ih8- I hate overpaying for other teams players. ih8 paying a guy top 5 money when he's made of china and doesn't have the resume. I'll pay for Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald, since those guys aren't available, let's find our own WR.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Moe, you are a thoroughly demented individual, I will keep you in my prayers to the Subatomic Maggot..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Great post. However, these guys are top 10 talents. I'm more interested in these seven guys:

http://bit.ly/SevenGuys

Posted by: lech112 | February 24, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lech112

They don't call that bullsh*t "Fantasy Football" fer nuthin'..I'd say, STAY THE F***IN' HELL AWAY FROM ALL OF THESE DUDES ON THIS LIST!!

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Except for maybe Kaepernick..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I think the disgusting sea creature, I'm pretty sure that's a nudibranch or a sea cucumber. Both are pretty cool.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I also don't get the love for the oft injured Sidney Rice ... the late bloomer because he couldn't stay healthy. Malcolm Kelly is a year or two away from being the same guy. For the BIG receiver, it should be Malcolm Floyd.

Posted by: dcsween | February 24, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

John Wall says the Wizards have no heart...That's f***in it, defense and endgame is ALLL HEART..S-A-C-R-I-F-I-C-E, like Jesus or Dr. King..Or frak, down a brew..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Rice at the right price..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget that the 1 season he went over 1,000 yards he had Brett Favre throwing to him and not Tavaris Jackson or Brad Johnson. So, no they didn't have a great offense the whole time Sidney was there. They had a great offense for 2 years and Sidney was hurt for 1 of them.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17


Point taken and noted..New England can take apparently marginal receivers and make them All-Stars..Life is a process..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Surprised the Celts unloaded some good, young players (Robinson and Perk are both 26) at this stage of the season.

Both of those guys did them some good in the playoffs last year, although Perkins got hurt.

It will DEFINITELY be interesting to see what they have up their sleeve.

Hopefully for BTGreg, Vinny's not the Celts new GM!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 24, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Somethin' in my head says (no, not the alien invertebrate that entered through the ear canal), we should bulk up the offensive line and take Ingram, to pound our foes senseless and establish intergalactic dominance, like The Fantastic Four's The Thing or Thor, on a bad hair day..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

This was a guy I'd hope would get to FA.....

Miami Dolphins defensive lineman Paul Soliai has been designated as the AFC East club's franchise player, according to his agent, David Canter.

It cost roughly $12.5 million.

"Congratulations to DEC client Paul Soliai on being named the Phins franchise player," Canter wrote on his Twitter account. "Hopefully this leads to the long term extension we want."

The Dolphins were unable to lock up Soliai on a long-term basis due to the 30-percent rule that prevents a salary from increasing more than 30 percent.

Soliai was paid $467,000 last season, according to NFL Players Association records.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

And that brings us back to the Redskins' situation: Do they have enough pieces in place to provide that much-needed support that would help a Gabbert or Newton succeed? Or, would they be better off filling some of those other needs first, and then going after a quarterback a little further down the road?

By Mike Jones | February 24, 2011; 2:11 PM ET
-----------------------------------------
On that "road" he is talking about, the Redskins are still packing the picnic lunch and haven't even gotten the family in the automobile. It is way too early to think about drafting a quarterback. Try to find a guy who is serviceable, find a guy with playing experience to be his backup and then throw in a developmental prospect. A see this as Grossman, Beck and a free agent to be signed. Meanwhile, make the high rounds of the draft be about saving the whales and the low rounds / free agency about filling holes in the defense.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 24, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Who're they makin' room for, this dude??

http://www.weirdexistence.com/img/nature/disgusting-sea-creature/disgusting-sea-creature05.jpg

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 4:50 PM

don't think its a sea cucumber or nudibranch -- but whatever it is, the Chinese will find a way to eat it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Surprised the Celts unloaded some good, young players (Robinson and Perk are both 26) at this stage of the season.

Both of those guys did them some good in the playoffs last year, although Perkins got hurt.

It will DEFINITELY be interesting to see what they have up their sleeve.

Hopefully for BTGreg, Vinny's not the Celts new GM!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 24, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse
____________

Speaking as the resident Lakers fan, I'm pretty happy to see the celtics trade away their best low post defensive presence not named KG. However, I'm not too happy to see said low post defensive presence end up with one of the Lakers' primary western conference rivals.....

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 24, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"Who's your least favorite Redskin?"

Has the Post been hijacked by a bunch of Cowboy-loving Texas oilmen?? Very likely, and a definite bait to hate on the controversial Haynesworth..I was NEVER prompted to hate on any Redskin growing up, maybe Deion Sanders, but I like him, so WTF??? We have beautiful birds showing up here in southwestern Virginia, maybe I'll kill them..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

This is what makes the combine a valuable event for the draft prospects. Tyrone Smith came into the combine mentioned among a group of OT trying to be considered as the best of the bunch. With Smith coming in at 307 lbs (probably 15lbs heavier than expected showing some commitment and competitiveness in him), and with an arm length measuring 37 inches, he probably had the best day of the top OTs. Could he be a legit option at #10?

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Yeah...ok

Watch what happens....we pass on Newton and Gabbert and WATCH....

They'll run and throw all over the FUKin field!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 24, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, TWISI..Always down with building up the line around here..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

From PFT:

Tyron Smith is a physical freak, and other Combine weigh-in notes
Posted by Evan Silva on February 24, 2011, 5:49 PM EST

Offensive linemen and tight ends weighed in at the Scouting Combine Thursday, and Southern Cal offensive tackle Tyron Smith “dominated” the Underwear Olympics with a freakish build.

A projected top-20 pick, Smith’s arms are 36 3/8 inches, giving him one of the longest reaches among players measured at the Combine over the last decade. Smith has catcher mitts for hands at 11 inches, and he packs 307 pounds onto a 6-foot-5 frame.

In 2010, Smith took home Morris Trophy honors as the Pac-10′s top offensive lineman. He played right tackle for the Trojans, but will be a left tackle in the pros.

Other first-day weigh-in highlights:

Notre Dame tight end Kyle Rudolph is 6-foot-6 and 259 pounds with 34-inch arms and 10 1/4-inch hands. The big hands help explain Rudolph’s outstanding pass-catching skills; he rarely dropped passes for the Irish. Rudolph’s offensive tackle-like arms figure to help him as an in-line blocker.

Colorado left tackle Nate Solder measured 6-foot-8 and 319 pounds, the latter figure up five pounds from his Senior Bowl weigh-in. According to Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press, Solder “looked like he could add 20 more (pounds), easy.” With 34 1/2-inch arms, it’s safe to say Solder will be staying at left tackle in the NFL.

Florida center/guard Mike Pouncey is 6-foot-5 and 303 pounds. A projected first-round pick, Mike is one inch taller than his twin brother, Maurkice. The Steelers’ center measured 6-foot-4 and 303 pounds at last year’s Combine weigh-in. Mike has relatively short, 32 1/2-inch arms, but that’s not as big a problem for interior offensive linemen. Pouncey’s big frame will come in handy in a league placing a greater emphasis on massive, clogger-type nose tackles in 3-4 defensive schemes.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

TWISI, he's most certainly an option. He fits our scheme pretty well and shanny did mention building the team the right way. I can't think of a better way than to get bookend tackles.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Perk, while he couldn't score in a womens prison with a fist full of pardons, is a good defensive presence, not to mention that who is the starting center now??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2011 4:31 PM


The good news: Shaq is your starting center.

The bad news: It's 2011, not 2001.

Seriously dude...that women's prison quote is the post of the year thus far. As Jim Rome would say, "RACK IT!"

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon used to say that the combine and offseason workouts were a bore and not worth following. But I love this stuff. Who's going to be the next Vernon Davis, wowing the coaches and scouts with his physical freakishness? Somebody always shoots up the board just based on his arm length and ability to bench 225 40 times. If you can do that, the Wonderlic goes out the window.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 24, 2011 7:17 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL OF THA' WEEK!

What ever happened to the charismatic coach???

Who was your favorite "character" coach?

a) Bum Phillips (10 gallon hat)
b) Hank Schram
c) Tom Landry ("The Hat")
d) George Allen
e) Buddy Ryan
f) Rex Ryan


I gotta admit Bum Phillips was quite a character...can you imagine that getup in today's NFL!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 24, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Vernon Davis, what round does anyone think Maryland's Scott is going to go?? He's a Torain-like banger, could be gold..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 7:26 PM | Report abuse

And that brings us back to the Redskins' situation: Do they have enough pieces in place to provide that much-needed support that would help a Gabbert or Newton succeed?

By Mike Jones | February 24, 2011; 2:11 PM ET

Here is one big difference between our former bloggers and Mr. Jones, this seemingly straightforward question would have been followed by it's own answer such as "all signs point to no", or "people with knowledge of the situation say no."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2011 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Sicwidit-
You gotta say this Rex Ryan is the alien Hollywood foot f***er that the doctah ordered..Love insanity in all its manifestations..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

What really scares me is who could be taken right before we get a shot.

Dareus, quin, fairley, newton, green, bowers, maybe gabbert.

Leaving us maybe kerrigan, jordan or a cb.

Hopefully we can trade down

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 24, 2011 7:40 PM | Report abuse

frak...

Rex Ryan is this generation's character, but he talk too much shhhh! In this day and age, you gotta win the big one.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 24, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Orton to start over Tebow next year, Fox says..Lets trade a 2 for Tebow and give Tim the Redskin "Baptism Of Fire", what's up..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Dave Butz is the most underrated Defensive Tackle in Redskins history.


Sorry...just had to get that in!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 24, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully we can trade down

Posted by: brandon_in_cali


Only two players we should trade down for, Von Miller and Fairley..And life's not fair..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Who was your favorite "character" coach?


g) Mike Ditka


Dude trades away the farm to acquire Ricky Williams.

Ricky turns out to be as flaky as a box of Frosted Flakes.

The Sports Illustrated cover photo of the both of them as newlyweds from back in the day is as iconic as anything.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 7:57 PM | Report abuse

frak, Perk, Robinson, Erden, Harangody, all got dealt so far.....

Perk, while he couldn't score in a womens prison with a fist full of pardons, is a good defensive presence, not to mention that who is the starting center now??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2011 4:31 PM

Either Perkins has a bum knee and they're getting out while the gettin's good or Ainge is out of his mind.

Good to know you have the O'neal boys holding down the 5 spot..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 7:59 PM | Report abuse

brandon

Hopefully we can trade down


Today's Quiz:

Although folks keep shouting "Trade down from 10," it rarely ever happens in the draft in any year.

a) true

b) false

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 24, 2011 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Your other down..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 8:07 PM | Report abuse

What really scares me is who could be taken right before we get a shot.

Dareus, quin, fairley, newton, green, bowers, maybe gabbert.

Leaving us maybe kerrigan, jordan or a cb.

Hopefully we can trade down

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 24, 2011 7:40 PM

Throw in Von Miller and Patrick Peterson to the first list and your at nine selection. That leaves you Smith (probable #1 OT), Amukamara (likely #2 corner), Jones (likely #2 WR), #2 OLB , the #3 DT, #3 DE, #3 QB. Who/what position would a team most likely would want to trade up?

IMO it would be the opportunity to draft Amukamara (Texans, Lions, Rams), or Jones (Vikes, Rams, Pats). He's hoping both Amukammar and Jones ball out, booth on and off the field, this week at the combine.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2011 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Moe

Honestly whoever we pick at 10 will be an upgrade

No matter what position its an upgrade.

De, olb, nt, wr, qb all need youth n talent

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 24, 2011 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Dave Butz is the most underrated Defensive Tackle in Redskins history.

Sorry...just had to get that in!

Posted by: rickyroge

I don't think true fans underrate him. IMHO, he was the best run stopper the Skins have ever had. He could knock down a running back just by sticking out one of his meaty paws. He didn't need to "wrap up".

Posted by: NYPDee | February 24, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Need more info on NC Quinn, is he the sh*t..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Geez the Redskins freakin' suck. They have no chance....ever to amount to a hill of beans as long as loser Little Priick Danny owns them.

Until he sells, I hope they get their butts kicked and go 0-16 every year.

LPD is a scumbag.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | February 24, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

NyallsStJohnSmytheIV xcomes on here sayin,"OH PLEASE,PLEASE ,SOMEBODY TEAR INTO MY STUPID A**HOLE, I'VE BEEN OUT OF THE CELLBLOCK FOR YEARS, SEEMS LIKE!!! PLEASE ,SOMEBODY , SAVE ME!!!"

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys have a safety issue

This was the headline from one of Matt Mostly's recent ESPN NFC East blogs. The Cows do have a safety issue but it ain't what that touch hole Mostly blogged about. Their safety issue is that they don't know when the safety of peeps using their facilities is at risk. Their practice facility blowed down in a strong wind and one of they coaches was paralyzed. They was big icicles hanging down from the roof of their stadium during SB week and several peeps nearly got brained when the icicles fell off the roof.

Posted by: AntarcticCat | February 24, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

...ever to amount to a hill of beans as long as loser Little Priick Danny owns them.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | February 24, 2011 8:27 PM |

Nurse Jackie sez "Life is full of little priicks". You can look in the mirror if you want to know who in addition to LPD belongs to this coohort.

Posted by: AntarcticCat | February 24, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

HOW does the NFL network have an NFL top 10 list of undrafted free agents and not have JOE F'in Jacoby on it???

4× Pro Bowl selection (1983-86)
2× Associated Press first-team All-Pro selection (1983, 1984)
2× Newspaper Enterprise Association first-team All-Pro selection (1983, 1987)
1× Newspaper Enterprise Association second-team All-Pro selection (1984)
NFL 1980s All-Decade Team
3*x Super Bowl champion (XV,XXII,XXVI)
70 Greatest Redskins

But it has Wayne Wayne Chrebet at #10.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

in reference to Reids article on not drafting a qb:

DEAR JASON REID:

Even though I knew Michael Wilborn was not a Redskin fan, I still loved his columns. On the rare occasion Vinny made a mistake in free agency or the team just sucked his critiques were well founded and supported by facts and expert observation.

YOU ARE NOT MICHAEL WILBORN, YOU ARE CERTAINLY NOT AN NFL COACH WITH A SUPERBOWL RING, YOU DID NOT EVEN EARN A SUPERBOWL RING AS A MANAGER, AS A PLAYER, AS AN ASSISTANT, AS A BALL BOY. YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO TELL COACH SHANAHAN CONDESCENDINGLY WHAT TO DO AS IF YOU REPRESENT EXPERTISE OR SKIN FANS, BECAUSE YOU DON'T (with the exception of some dorks that sound like they have a clothes-pin on their nose when they say, you are right on Jason).

I WOULD respect you if you wrote the same article like "I'm not an expert at the draft, but based upon past mistakes, here's what we shouldn't do..."

BUT I think you were a poor choice as a sports columnist. It is BLATANTLY obvious you can't seperate your emotional attachment to Mcnabb and the decision to bench him in your writing that it actually overshadows your point. With your article just a few days ago about strengthening the rooney rule and this article it appears you think shanny goes to regular kkk meetings and flies a rebel flag on his way to work. Are you seeking to integrate social issues with sports?

Is Shanny perfect? No. But after the the "nice" coach (you like em nice and to not hurt anyones feelings, like Belicheck right, like Mike Tomlin right) it was time for Danny to repent of all his former sins and surrender control and hire the best D__N coach and GM available at the time. And let's not forget they drafted Dm5 and compensated him well.

FROM NOW ON, if you are going to write about the social ills of our time please move your column and title it, DEAR JEDI. BUT IF YOUR GOING TO STAY PUT AND YOU EXPECT ME TO READ THE POST WRITE ABOUT FOOTBALL, ACT LIKE A REAL FAN, SUPPORT YOUR COACH AND OCCASIONALLY ADMIT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. If you did i might repect you.

Signed,
A real fan since 1971

PS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MCNABB, THEY ACTUALLY DID VERY WELL WITH THERE DRAFT PICKS. I THINK PICKING TRENT WILLIAMS OVER OTAH, WAS A WISE MOVE, NOT TO MENTION PICKING UP BANKS PROMOTING ARMSTRONG..WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

Posted by: rodskin | February 24, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 8:58 PM |

Dude - NFL Net is looking to serve a 19-34 demo, not old farts like you. Nobody in that demo ever heard of Jacoby. They was in diaps when Joe was laying out DTs and DEs.

Posted by: AntarcticCat | February 24, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey F@ck face-

1. QB Kurt Warner
2. DB Dick "Night Train" Lane
3. DT John Randle
4. FB Marion Motley
5. K Adam Venatieri
6. QB Warren Moon
7. TE Antonio Gates
8. WR Rod Smith
9. QB Tony Romo
10. WR Wanye Chrebet

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Wright's injury is a message from God to the Thompsons-Get some depth at guard..And get the big center while you're at it..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Here is one big difference between our former bloggers and Mr. Jones, this seemingly straightforward question would have been followed by it's own answer such as "all signs point to no", or "people with knowledge of the situation say no."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2011 7:32 PM

Come on scamp. For the past 12 or so years it would have been the obvious truth. I don't care that bloggers and reporter and columnist and fans paint the skins as a joke. I hate that it's been true.

Posted by: mack1 | February 24, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Need more info on Robert Quinn DE NC...

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Come on scamp. For the past 12 or so years it would have been the obvious truth. I don't care that bloggers and reporter and columnist and fans paint the skins as a joke. I hate that it's been true.

Posted by: mack1 | February 24, 2011 9:25 PM

That's not the point. The point is any moron already knew that we were awful and these a holes took every single opportunity to rub it in. Like we needed these blithering retards to clue us in. Talk about treating us like idiots. Not only that they tried their damndest to make it worse. One "blogger" even went so far as to try and get the VP of Football Operations suspended.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

The A team def backfield:

Hamzah Abdullah
Oshiomogho Atogwe
Nnamdi Asomugha
Prince Amukamara

Posted by: AntarcticCat | February 24, 2011 9:39 PM | Report abuse

frak- He would play OLB in a 3-4 or DE in a 4-3

Mayock: Combine may put Robert Quinn in mix for No. 1 overall pick

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 23, 2011, 12:43 PM EST

Former North Carolina defensive end Robert Quinn didn’t play in 2010 because of a suspension for receiving illegal benefits from an agent. And it may not matter.

Quinn still has a chance to be taken No. 1 overall in April’s draft, according to NFL Network’s Mike Mayock. Speaking on the Rich Eisen Podcast, Mayock said he expected Quinn to “blow up” the Combine.

“I’m probably going to walk in there on the first day of the defensive line drills and say he’s the No. 1 pick in the whole country,” Mayock said. “And he didn’t play last year.”

Mayock said he recently watched a lot of ’08 and ’09 film on Quinn and was highly impressed. He said Quinn could run a 4.55 forty at 6’4, 275 pounds at the combine. (That’s about the same speed as a possession receiver.)

It’s not like Quinn would just be a workout wonder; he produced plenty at North Carolina before his suspension. Taking Quinn would be a risk, but fellow athletic freak Clemson defensive end Da’Quan Bowers really had one big year.

There may not be a “safe” no brainer No. 1 selection this season and Mayock has already moved Quinn ahead of Bowers in his defensive end rankings.

Mayock’s bold statement may take some draftniks by surprise. But we’ve learned over the years that Mayock’s bold statements in February often turn into conventional wisdom by April.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B8IX8bY8To

He's going to Zona at #5.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 9:39 PM | Report abuse

That's not the point. The point is any moron already knew that we were awful and these a holes took every single opportunity to rub it in. Like we needed these blithering retards to clue us in. Talk about treating us like idiots. Not only that they tried their damndest to make it worse. One "blogger" even went so far as to try and get the VP of Football Operations suspended.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2011 9:33 PM

Respectfully disagree my fascist friend. If that question was answered with "league sources think they may be able to do it this year" you wouldn't have a problem with it. It's the bad news that pisses you off. And BTW, if Jason LaCanfora had managed to actually get Vinny suspended, his press pass should have been hoisted up in the ring of fame. Can't believe you have a problem with anyone going after that incompetent.

Posted by: mack1 | February 24, 2011 9:47 PM | Report abuse

That's not the point. The point is any moron already knew that we were awful and these a holes took every single opportunity to rub it in. Like we needed these blithering retards to clue us in. Talk about treating us like idiots. Not only that they tried their damndest to make it worse. One "blogger" even went so far as to try and get the VP of Football Operations suspended.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2011 9:33 PM |

Let's see:

1. moron
2. a hole
3. retard
4. idiot

How imaginative. An impressive group of stock insults. The only one you missed was d bag.

Posted by: AntarcticCat | February 24, 2011 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Let's see:

1. moron
2. a hole
3. retard
4. idiot

How imaginative. An impressive group of stock insults. The only one you missed was d bag.

Posted by: AntarcticCat | February 24, 2011 9:52 PM

Now that's actually funny. You should keep the same handle every night and build on your new found rep.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

....I THINK PICKING TRENT WILLIAMS OVER OTAH, WAS A WISE MOVE,.....

Posted by: rodskin | February 24, 2011 9:07 PM

No kidding, Jeff Otah was drafted in 2008 by the Panthers. That would have been a bad draft choice indeed last year to try and redraft him. You were probably referring to Russell Okung who was picked by the Seahawks two spots after TW.

If you're going to draw attention to yourself by complaining about Reid and typing in all caps, its better to get your facts straight first. Hope I helped. Carry on...

Posted by: will_ga | February 24, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

How imaginative. An impressive group of stock insults. The only one you missed was d bag.

Posted by: AntarcticCat | February 24, 2011 9:52 PM |

You already took that one.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Respectfully disagree my fascist friend. If that question was answered with "league sources think they may be able to do it this year" you wouldn't have a problem with it. It's the bad news that pisses you off. And BTW, if Jason LaCanfora had managed to actually get Vinny suspended, his press pass should have been hoisted up in the ring of fame. Can't believe you have a problem with anyone going after that incompetent.

Posted by: mack1 | February 24, 2011 9:47 PM

Well, my communist comrade, you are incorrect. I'm not pissed at the bad news. I already knew the news was bad and have grown quite numb to it. After all, it's been bad for a loooooong time. What irritated me about the past bloggers, again, is that they took every opportunity to insert their negative bias. What I like about this blogger is that he puts no spin on the ball... and that not debatable.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Most Sincerely , Diesel44...Now, some one of these defensive delicious morsels is going to fall to us, my bad..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

The way I see it as of today........

1. Panthers: Fairley - Rivera/McDermott will look to team up Charles Johnson with a freak on the inside.

2. Broncos: Dareus - John Fox will look to get bigger and stronger on the inside of his defense.

3. Bills: Newton - Newton and Spiller in the zone read...nuff said. Newton learns behind Fitzzy.

4. Bengal: Bowers - Need help on the Dline. Possible trade point for Titans.

5. Cards: Gabbert - Can't have another year with no hope at this position

6. Browns: Green - Has been needing a #1 WR for some time.

7. 49ers: Miller - That LB group will lead the way on defense.

8. Titans: Peterson - Gray gets an all pro DB to coach up.

9. Cowboys: Smith - Cowboys' Ol rivals the Skins'

10. Redskins: Quinn - Haslett get's his wish.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

LaCanfora had managed to actually get Vinny suspended, his press pass should have been hoisted up in the ring of fame. Can't believe you have a problem with anyone going after that incompetent.

Posted by: mack1 | February 24, 2011 9:47 PM

Sorry, missed this part. I hear ya on that. Would have been nice, but again, not the point. A Redskins beat writer tried to do it. I could see a Cowsh!ts writer or even a Ravens writer, but your own team? Pretty much guaranteed we'd never get a scoop or legitimate shred of news directly from the Skins ever again. Not that La Canfora was getting any of that anyway.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- nice mock, here's how I see it..

1. Panthers: Fairley - agreed

2. Broncos: Bowers - switching to a 4-3

3. Bills: Peterson- best player in the draft.

4. Bengal: AJ Green- Larry Fitz clone

5. Cards: Quinn- best pass rusher, will play OLB

6. Browns: Dareus- 3-4 DE with flexibilty to play NT in Nickel

7. 49ers: Cam Newton- most potential of any QB

8. Titans: Blaine Gabbert

9. Cowboys: Tyron Smith/Solder

10. Redskins: Von Miller

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/02/five-thoughts-scouting-combinedraft

5. Should the Redskins draft a QB? Consider what our scout says: “You know what kind of league this is; everyone else in the division has one and the Eagles have two. The Redskins have to figure out something.” There are a couple problems: one, because of the potential lockout a QB will have less practice time in the offseason and therefore less ability to make an impact as a rookie (though it's debatable what their impact would be without a lockout considering the transition from college spread to pro-style offense). Perhaps finding one in the second round makes more sense; they likely wouldn't play immediately anyway.

But if you want one in the first round, the other problem is, if everything checks out Gabbert and Newton could be gone by No. 10. So then it comes to defense, right? Problem is, pass-rushing OLB Von Miller likely will be gone, too; and there’s no nose tackle projected to go that high, though the scout said because they’re hard to find some of them will go higher than expected. Still, would Phil Taylor go 10th? If not, there goes the two biggest positions of need on defense. “They need an offense,” the scout said. “If one of the two receivers are there, you’d have to think of that before nose tackle…. And [Mike Shanahan] always had two good offensive tackles in Denver. But sitting there at 10, they’re far enough away that they may not get what they want.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/02/five-thoughts-scouting-combinedraft#ixzz1EwIfB1wM

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2011 10:53 PM | Report abuse

The A team def backfield:

Hamzah Abdullah
Oshiomogho Atogwe
Nnamdi Asomugha
Prince Amukamara

Posted by: AntarcticCat | February 24, 2011

You could spot Sam Huff 2 syllables per name and he still wouldn't pronounce any of them right ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse

10. Redskins: Von Miller

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 10:50 PM

I would be ecstatic. You know how I feel about Miller's potential.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2011 10:55 PM | Report abuse

10. Redskins: Von Miller

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 10:50 PM

I would be ecstatic. You know how I feel about Miller's potential.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2011 10:55 PM

He weighed in at 243 today. Clay Matthews was only 240 2 YRs ago at the combine. He's a DYNAMIC pass rusher but my concern would be if he could hold the edge in the 3-4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 9:13 PM |

Dude - I agree 100% that Jacoby should be on the list and he should be a HoFer. But NFL Net, like its big bro ESPN, is demo driven and if Jacoby's name was on that list their target demo would look at it and think "WTF is that?". He has two things going against him being on the list:

1. he's an old timer
2. he's a grunt

Grunts never get no pub during their career and even if you was good when you played as time goes on no one remembers because you didn't get no pub. OL and DL are a downtrodden class, esp OL.

Posted by: AntarcticCat | February 24, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

The 'Skins will take Cam Newton, but the twist is that they will be playing some wing-t and use him at split end where they feel he can excel with their version of the crack sweep.

Posted by: josettes | February 24, 2011 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2011 10:27 PM |

It would be nice if Quinn were around when the Skins pick but I doubt he will be, esp after peeps see the #s he puts up at the Combine. For some old timers he brings back memories of LT when he was at Carolina years ago.

Posted by: AntarcticCat | February 24, 2011 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 11:08 PM | Report abuse

5. Should the Redskins draft a QB? Consider what our scout says: “You know what kind of league this is; everyone else in the division has one and the Eagles have two. The Redskins have to figure out something.” There are a couple problems: one, because of the potential lockout a QB will have less practice time in the offseason and therefore less ability to make an impact as a rookie (though it's debatable what their impact would be without a lockout considering the transition from college spread to pro-style offense). Perhaps finding one in the second round makes more sense; they likely wouldn't play immediately anyway.

But if you want one in the first round, the other problem is, if everything checks out Gabbert and Newton could be gone by No. 10. So then it comes to defense, right? Problem is, pass-rushing OLB Von Miller likely will be gone, too; and there’s no nose tackle projected to go that high, though the scout said because they’re hard to find some of them will go higher than expected. Still, would Phil Taylor go 10th? If not, there goes the two biggest positions of need on defense. “They need an offense,” the scout said. “If one of the two receivers are there, you’d have to think of that before nose tackle…. And [Mike Shanahan] always had two good offensive tackles in Denver. But sitting there at 10, they’re far enough away that they may not get what they want.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/02/five-thoughts-scouting-combinedraft#ixzz1EwIfB1wM


Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2011 10:53 PM |

Well, to hear them tell it there's no one worth the #10 pick. Might as well just skip it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

And [Mike Shanahan] always had two good offensive tackles in Denver. But sitting there at 10, they’re far enough away that they may not get what they want.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/02/five-thoughts-scouting-combinedraft#ixzz1EwIfB1wM


Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2011 10:53 PM |

Well, to hear them tell it there's no one worth the #10 pick. Might as well just skip it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2011 11:10 PM |

We have enough needs that BPA is just fine.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2011 11:14 PM | Report abuse

my concern would be if he could hold the edge in the 3-4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Miller's not going to be as stout IMO as the typical 3-4 Steeler OLB for example. However, put a certified runs stopper such Spears in front of him and let him make plays.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2011 11:19 PM | Report abuse

We have enough needs that BPA is just fine.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2011 11:14 PM

Speaking of BPAs. Gil Brandt's top 100 based on talent alone.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e75a7b/article/on-ability-alone-these-are-top-prospects-of-2011-nfl-draft?module=HP_cp2

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2011 11:22 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- Not a Gil Brandt fan (for obvious reasons- Cowboys). Prince A in the third tier???

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2011 11:28 PM | Report abuse

We're still a young and premature civilization..

Posted by: frak | February 24, 2011 11:46 PM | Report abuse

First off, it's going to be very telling where Qaddafi runs to..Or if he runs and chooses the Hitler bunker deal..Or he'll do the Enron disappearance trick to the Halliburton safehouse..


Ballad of EnRonnnnnnnn-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTSpvCV34Ok

Posted by: frak | February 25, 2011 12:24 AM | Report abuse

frak;
While I'd rather talk football, If I were in his shoes, I'd transfer all my cash to Swiss bank accounts and get out of Dodge.

Posted by: msrent | February 25, 2011 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Or the Cat-That_Ate-The -Canary Islands in the Caribbean..

Dogs will chase..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7cXbyXMn9w

Posted by: frak | February 25, 2011 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 1:31 AM | Report abuse

I like Mike [Jones].

Posted by: Thinker_ | February 25, 2011 2:11 AM | Report abuse

If I were Gadhaffi or even Khadafy, or even if I were Quaddafi, or Moammar or Muammar, whatever...

First thing I'd do is shoot my sons in the head.

Then, I'd go on live State TV, get about 45 minutes into a speech where I call the people dogs, cats, drug-fueled mice, and then cockroaches, and then I'd fire up a bong, take a huge hit, hold it... hold it... exahale... and then shoot myself in the head, too.

It's the best thing he could do for his people.

Posted by: Thinker_ | February 25, 2011 2:15 AM | Report abuse

frak;
While I'd rather talk football, If I were in his shoes, I'd transfer all my cash to Swiss bank accounts and get out of Dodge.

Posted by: msrent | February 25, 2011 12:40 AM |

The Swiss already froze his accounts. Try again. He's dead. About the only place he CAN go is Venezuela, which I would highly recommend if I really cared for him, which I don't.

I keep checking to see when they drag his dead body through the streets and string his mangled corpse from a light post. And his smug, lying offspring? I start drooling just thinking about watching them get their heads bashed apart...

It shouldn't be long now!

Scumbag. When we missed him, we should have kept going back until we got it right. He should have died about 3 weeks after Lockerbie.

Posted by: Thinker_ | February 25, 2011 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Wow...looks like we had folks inhaling glue last night...Von Miller falling to 10th? Quinn--a potential #1 overall pick--falling to us at #10? Really? Not saying that it's impossible, but that would be about as big a shocker as Brady Quinn falling to 22nd a few years ago...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Wow...looks like we had folks inhaling glue last night...Von Miller falling to 10th? Quinn--a potential #1 overall pick--falling to us at #10? Really? Not saying that it's impossible, but that would be about as big a shocker as Brady Quinn falling to 22nd a few years ago...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 6:31 AM | Report abuse
I was sniffing Sharpies last night. Wouldn't it be cool if we took the best offensive tackle available?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2011 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Quinn--a potential #1 overall pick--falling to us at #10? Really? Not saying that it's impossible, but that would be about as big a shocker as Brady Quinn falling to 22nd a few years ago...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 6:31 AM

This draft is fluid at the top. There's really no clear #1 and a bunch of talented players who really only flashed for a year. Quinn has 2 years of college experience, flashed in his 2nd year. Out of football for a year with no practices. Great potential but very raw. Fairly, Bowers, Newton, Gabbert have really one year of great production.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2011 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Still, would Phil Taylor go 10th?

Why not?

It's a need decision as our 3-4 lacks depth at the NT spot.

Again, we like a stud NT in round 1 and Ponder in 2, if he remains there.

And my money thinks he won't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

I still back you on that, Moe...seems to me, if Phil Taylor is widely considered to be a stud NT there's no harm in taking him a few picks earlier than expected. As I pointed out a few days ago, the Jags did the same thing with Tyson Alualu last year and they don't appear to be sorry...

Hell, if Taylor has a good combine, I wouldn't be shocked if he's no longer on the board when the 10th pick comes around...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Wow...looks like we had folks inhaling glue last night...Von Miller falling to 10th? Quinn--a potential #1 overall pick--falling to us at #10? Really? Not saying that it's impossible, but that would be about as big a shocker as Brady Quinn falling to 22nd a few years ago...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 6:31 AM

Dude it's Feb 25th. Turn your TV on this fall and watch some college football and maybe you'll have an opinion too..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I still back you on that, Moe...seems to me, if Phil Taylor is widely considered to be a stud NT there's no harm in taking him a few picks earlier than expected. As I pointed out a few days ago, the Jags did the same thing with Tyson Alualu last year and they don't appear to be sorry...

Hell, if Taylor has a good combine, I wouldn't be shocked if he's no longer on the board when the 10th pick comes around...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 8:26 AM

Honestly though, I could ask the sh1t I just took and I'd get a better take on the draft than this or anything you've ever uttered.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

You talk to your sh!t Dies? Do you feel bad for flushing after?

I don't see much college football...except the terps whenever they're on...I can't comment except for what I read...which isn't much...just hope the skins get it right.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 8:48 AM | Report abuse

from Mike Jones,

"Because of the differences, it's not always easy to predict how a passer's talents will translate to the NFL game."


True, False, and Maybe.

I'd say the increased passing in college via the spread making better prepared college quarterbacks than those college programs who don't run it.

Matt Leinhart, Jimmy Claussen, Mark Sanchez, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Brady Quinn all came out of traditional NFL-pro type systems and were considered pro-ready because of it.

And the outcome for 3 of the quarterbacks seems about the same.

Matt Ryan-AR are the singualr standouts, and they run an shotgun NFL-spread/WCO system in Atl-GB.

And Sanchez excels in a traditional system because of the people around him, not his own skill set.

Telling, isn't?

Meanwhile Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Joe Flacco, Kevin Kolb, Josh Freeman are all college spread guys who show promise.

Alex Smith ran a spread and has been so-so.

And all that notwithstanding, we say the college spread emphasis on a quarterback managing the offense and passing is better preparing them than the traditional pro-system, and thus, should make assessing them much easier than what Mr. Jones indicates here.

College spread kids are throwing the ball 35-45 times a game in all conditions against NFL-style college defenses: there's no better training than that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I hear everything about the schemes and what offense a QB ran, etc....But my questions is at the end of the day can the person play football? Can they learn other schemes and offenses, etc...? Can they be coached to do something different and apply it out on the field. A person can be taught anything. I just want to see the Skins draft good players who want to come in and work and become better football players.

Posted by: mbroo1 | February 25, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

PA- Only if it’s glorious. I guess I'd have to defer to poppy or even the poop guzzler P_F to provide further detail.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Diesel44

I'd get a better take on the draft than this or anything you've ever uttered.

I watch as many hours of college football as pro.

I'm not a draftnik.

I could care less about what the draft gurus say about when which guy should go where.

All I know is the redskin defensive line is the worst unit on the whole team.

Which is why adding a stud NT-DT this draft makes sense.

Solid and outstanding D-lineman rarely hit FA, so you have to draft them.

You can have all the Von Millers in the world you want.

But in the NFL, pressure up front is what makes those guys effective.

And we need defensive linemen who get pressure.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Honestly though, I could ask the sh1t I just took and I'd get a better take on the draft than this or anything you've ever uttered.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 8:38 AM


Well, if you're talking to your own feces that's your business...but to each his own I guess...

Allow me to offer a thousand pardons, good sir...I was totally unaware there were power rankings for blog opinions. I don't usually get deep into draft talk anyway because it's all pointless...I'm not that big a college FB fan, plus it's near impossible to draw a straight line between college success and success in the pros. Some of the greatest college stars of all time were scrubs in the pros and guys like Tom Brady didn't make a ripple in the college game, yet carved out pretty good careers for themselves at the next level. So why waste my time trying to do what a scout can't seem to? So I can "win" a debate with you? No thanks.

I don't know why you took what I said so personally...just sayin' I don't see how you had Von Miller's stock dropping that far when the combine is just now starting. Just sounded a lot like wishful thinking to me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Just sounded a lot like wishful thinking to me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 9:00 AM

Isn't that what being a Redskins fan is all about?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

For Charlie Sheen, his apocalypse is now.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

“The only thing I’m addicted to is winning. This bootleg cult, arrogantly referred to as Alcoholics Anonymous, reports a 5 percent success rate. My success rate is 100 percent,” Sheen said.

Can't argue with that!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

For Charlie Sheen, his apocalypse is now.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 9:08 AM


Good...never did understand why that guy has a career even remotely successful. I mean, if I just walked around all day sniffin' coke and acting like Danny Bonaduce, I'd have been jailed years ago...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 9:00 AM

You are wiser and more measured than the 31 years I saw you claim on here the other day.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 25, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 9:00 AM

You are wiser and more measured than the 31 years I saw you claim on here the other day.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 25, 2011 9:17 AM

He's also African American. I'm not buying that either.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I still back you on that, Moe...seems to me, if Phil Taylor is widely considered to be a stud NT there's no harm in taking him a few picks earlier than expected. As I pointed out a few days ago, the Jags did the same thing with Tyson Alualu last year and they don't appear to be sorry...

Hell, if Taylor has a good combine, I wouldn't be shocked if he's no longer on the board when the 10th pick comes around...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

He very well could go at #9. The Cowboys really need someone there so they can move ratliff back to DE. That would give them Ratliff, Taylor, and Olshansky up front. Then they could break the bank on Asamoaugh.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2011 9:23 AM | Report abuse

You are wiser and more measured than the 31 years I saw you claim on here the other day.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 25, 2011 9:17 AM

IBM began developing a self-automated and highly sophisticated blogging computer 31 years ago, know as the Brownwood26 model...I hope it was alright to say that...that's all I know.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

He's also African American. I'm not buying that either.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 9:20 AM


Good...cuz I'm not. Never been to Africa in my life. Just call me 'black' for short.

Funny stuff, PA...I guess the jig is up!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 9:28 AM | Report abuse

He very well could go at #9. The Cowboys really need someone there so they can move ratliff back to DE. That would give them Ratliff, Taylor, and Olshansky up front. Then they could break the bank on Asamoaugh.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2011 9:23 AM


Makes sense, but I doubt it...they're so obsessed with skill position players there, I wouldn't be surprised if they take Peterson or Prince Akamura (sp?) at #9.

Plus, I doubt Asomugha goes to Dallas...I'd think he'd pick a place like Atlanta where he's got a chance to win a SB right away.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

He very well could go at #9. The Cowboys really need someone there so they can move ratliff back to DE. That would give them Ratliff, Taylor, and Olshansky up front. Then they could break the bank on Asamoaugh.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2011 9:23 AM

Pretty sure they're not going to move a guy that has gone to three straight pro bowls. I wish they would draft Taylor (severe reach), they'll probably go with Prince A.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Phil Taylor is def the best NT in this years draft. However his accolades still dont stack up to other cant miss players like BJ Raji or Casey Hampton. Both those had considerable better careers on a larger stage. Not sure anyone can say #10 is to high to take a player like him though. 3-4 NT has become a position of have or dont have in the league so the positions value itself has increased.

Diesel,

Not sure what you have against Jhon Clay that dude got it done. He has been the Big 10 player of the was a finalist for th Doak Walker this year despite playing though a mcl injury. He is a straight bruiser, I understand the Badgers line is solid as James white also had a big year. But the dude seems like the kind of runner that will translate well into the league.

I also dont think the RB situation on the skins is as set as people may believe. We have a second year player in KW who is a 3rd down specialist and Ryan Torain who hasnt completed a full football season since he was a JUCO. I will be disappointed if we dont get some new blood at the RB position this draft would be ideal.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Pretty sure they're not going to move a guy that has gone to three straight pro bowls. I wish they would draft Taylor (severe reach), they'll probably go with Prince A.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse

He's 29 and a bit undersized. Moving him to DE would extend his career.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Stu27

I will be disappointed if we don't get some new blood at the RB position this draft would be ideal.

Excellent point.

The thing that amazes about recent drafts is that running backs have become like unwanted children.

A great player like Mark Ingraham is in the draft, and no one notices.

The end result of the emphasis on passing is that quarterbacks, corners, safeties, outside linebackers, left tackles, and speed tight ends have all ascended in value while the running back, fullback have become after thoughts.

If we had a 3rd rounder, I'd say take Ingraham: the kid is an excellent Emmitt Smith-type running back.

But we don't have the 3rd rounder......

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

stu- He's more of the same. We need speed and a change of pace. He averaged barely over 5 YPC behind the best OL in college football. He won't make it in the NFL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"And all that notwithstanding, we say the college spread emphasis on a quarterback managing the offense and passing is better preparing them than the traditional pro-system, and thus, should make assessing them much easier than what Mr. Jones indicates here."Posted by: MistaMoe

I think your list sort of proves his point for him -- it's difficult to predict the learning curve for a passer coming out of a spread system into a pro set.

For instance, Sanchez has managed that Jets offense much better than I ever thought he would -- and the coaches didn't have to cut it in half the way Baltimore did with Flacco.

Bradford did surprise most observers with how quickly he adapted, but the Oklahoma spread is one that requires the QB to hit the occasional covered receiver, unlike many collegiate spreads, that allow a passer like Tim Tebow to throw mostly to guys underneath coverage, without a DB closer than several yards. Same with the Texas spread that McCoy came out of.

It's not about how many talented QBs emerge from either scheme -- it's about how long it takes them to develop, and how difficult it is to predict that based on college game film.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"Speaking of Vernon Davis, what round does anyone think Maryland's Scott is going to go?? He's a Torain-like banger, could be gold..Posted by: frak"

Which Scott is that? I have Da'Rel at 5'11" and 200, more a speed back..

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

....it's about how long it takes them to develop, and how difficult it is to predict that based on college game film.

I beg to differ.

All anedoctal evidence is showing these kids are learning the NFL passing game fairly quickly.

There are more athletic under-30 quarterbacks starting in the NFL than dropback 'read the progression' traditional style than ever.

And if you are watching film, you can map out how quickly the kid recognizes who is open and how fast he gets them the ball--and if his placement is consistent.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else getting an ad banner up top to buy Jaguars season tickets? wtf?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

ha diesel your analysis is ruthless. I cant justify counting out anyone that puts up number like that before they ever even come close to a NFL field.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, thats a pretty ruthless analysis. I cant count out a guy that puts up those kind of numbers before he ever even sniffs an NFL field.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

What's up guys! I haven't commented in a min. Saw u guys talking about Phil Taylor. IMO, if he checks out well this weekend, physically, and proves his character is good, I can't see him slipping past the Texans. With their switch to a 34 D, they already have good linebackers, and pass rushers. They need a Nose. I think they pick right after us right? So my thing is, if there is not a Qb sitting there that Shanny thinks can be a franchise guy, IMO, the second greatest need is NT. It doesn't matter how many pass rushers you draft, doesn't matter how many CB's you get, nothing will work in a 34 D without a NT. People disagree with me, but the top two needs going into the draft is Qb and NT. In a bad O Line draft, we must get those two things.

Posted by: roccoskins | February 25, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

fridayfuntime

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Torain is the man.

Shanny will take another RB in the 6th or 7th round. That guy will end up rushing for 1300 yards in a year or so.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

stu- He's more of the same. We need speed and a change of pace. He averaged barely over 5 YPC behind the best OL in college football. He won't make it in the NFL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

OK Dies,

John Clay is pretty much a Ryan Torain Clone only bigger and that's exactly what I want. Torain can't stay healthy. We must have a backup plan. When he went down so did our running game.

There's only 2 RBs in this draft with 4.3 speed. This Locke dude out of Kentucky could fit the bill. Noel Devine is the other guy but he's only 160 lbs. How about we have our cake and eat it too. John Clay is 255 lbs. So here's how the roster would look.

RB:
Ryan Torain
Keiland Williams
Derrick Locke

FB:
Mike Sellers
John Clay

This way we have a backup for Torain. We have our 3rd down back that can catch out of the backfield and pick up the blitz. We also have our change of pace guy.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Torain is the man....

....and so is the guy who helps him rehab.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Torain is the man....

....and so is the guy who helps him rehab.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

You're the man Moe.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: roccoskins | February 25, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Even after Phil Taylor going to Houston you have to look at the Chiefs and who they will take. If Julio Jones is gone they may take a NT. Buffalo could take a NT in the second round. That could put us at the #4 NT by our second round pick. If there's a run on NTs we may be in trouble.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Spread option offense
Scamp calling people retard
Redskins Insider

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm w/ Rocco - (wb btw)

NT is the most pressing. I'd even go and say ABOVE QB. I have no problem w/ our current guys there for next season.

We're not winning the StuporBowel next season, y'know?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 25, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

That was beautiful iH8...

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

HAIKUMAN!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 25, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

If there's a run on NTs we may be in trouble.


You could also ake a very stout NT and groom him up.

That's essentially what the Pacekrs did with Raji.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

We're not winning the StuporBowel next season, y'know?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 25, 2011 10:42 AM |

Oh yes we are.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton to Cowboys talk heating up
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 25, 2011, 9:43 AM EST

Cowboys owner and G.M. Jerry Jones always wants to create a buzz with his team’s first-round draft pick. Now there’s talk that he’s looking at drafting the player who’s generating the most buzz of any prospect in this year’s draft: Auburn quarterback Cam Newton.

Multiple reports surfaced yesterday that the Cowboys will interview Newton at the Scouting Combine. And Chris Mortensen said this morning on ESPN Radio that Cowboys coach Jason Garrett went to the Davey O’Brien Award ceremony, where Newton picked up his trophy as the best quarterback in college football, and that Garrett likes Newton’s pro potential.

“They’re going to do due diligence on Cam Newton,” Mortensen said. “They’re committed to Tony Romo right now, but Cam Newton clearly has them intrigued.”

For Newton’s part, he said he’s eager to talk to the Cowboys.

“Jerry Jones, man he knows how to get hold of me, let’s just say that,” Newton said.

But while talk of Newton to the Cowboys makes for a good story, it sounds too good to be true. The odds that the Cowboys would use the ninth overall pick in the draft on a quarterback seem remote, as all indications are that the Cowboys feel good about their current quarterback situation: Romo is under contract through 2013, backup Jon Kitna is signed through 2011 and Stephen McGee is signed through 2012.

So Cam Newton to the Cowboys is a fun story to talk about in February. Even if it probably isn’t going to happen in April.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

FWIW, going into the Combine, I have exactly one QB as a legit top ten choice in an ordinary year, and that's Gabbert. He's not throwing.

Newton, Locker, and Mallett are later first round talents. All have heavy flaws. Locker is probably ahead based on his extreme mobility and the advantage of having played for Sarkisian. Newton is way talented but pretty clearly not ready for prime time. Mallett is the real unknown here -- best arm, could have a 5 cent head.

Kaepernick and Pat Devlin are the second-rounders. Devlin is probably the most accurate passer in the group. Colin is the best athlete. Ponder and Dalton have backup potential but I'd be surprised if they're more than provisional starters.

I'll be interested to see how that order changes during the combine.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The wild card is team need; as Billick was saying, 7 of the first ten clubs drafting need QB help, and that's a recipe for stupidity.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Kaepernick and Pat Devlin are the second-rounders. Devlin is probably the most accurate passer in the group. Colin is the best athlete. Ponder and Dalton have backup potential but I'd be surprised if they're more than provisional starters.

I'll be interested to see how that order changes during the combine.


Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Accuracy is the most important quality for a QB.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan, McNabb’s agent finally meet
Posted by Mike Florio on February 25, 2011, 9:55 AM EST

With quarterback Donovan McNabb destined to be gone from D.C. and hopeful to leave sooner rather than later, his agent finally has met with coach Mike Shanahan regarding the situation.

“I did talk to Fletcher Smith yesterday,” Shanahan tells Larry Michael, via Matt Terl of Redskins.com. “Had a great conversation with him. And, you know, I can’t go through the details, but it’s been talked about, and we’ll let the process take care of itself.”

The “process” will “take care of itself” only when the Redskins cut or trade McNabb. Based on the agreement to which McNabb agreed last season, he gave the Redskins in exchange for a $3.5 million signing bonus the ability to squat on his rights throughout the offseason, since the trigger for McNabb’s $10 million option bonus runs from the first day of the league year until the first day after the first regular-season game.

Surely, Shanahan will try to trade McNabb, in the hopes of recovering the second-round and fourth-round picks that were invested in one failed season with the former Eagle. But if Shanahan wants too much, and if no one will give him what he wants, McNabb’s opportunity to get properly ensconced with a new team will be limited.

Of course, an extended offseason lockout would do the same thing.

Either way, don’t look for McNabb to return to the Redskins in 2011. How and when the divorce happens remains to be seen.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm hoping we grab a good interior offensive lineman in the 2nd round.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

FWIW, going into the Combine, I have exactly one QB as a legit top ten choice in an ordinary year, and that's Gabbert. He's not throwing.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

What about Gabbert do you like that makes him a top 10 pick and future franchis QB?

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Either way, don’t look for McNabb to return to the Redskins in 2011. How and when the divorce happens remains to be seen.


Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I don't even consider McNabb a Redskin right now.

He is dead to me.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Mike Mayock is the only guy I trust when it comes to the draft. Looking at Jake Locker last night, listening to him talk, I'm turning into a believer. While everyone is dropping him purely on his accuracy, I will say this, the guy is smart and a very hard worker. I notice something with the location of his throws. When Mc5 makes bad throws, its in the dirt, right? But with Locker he throws high. I was just telling some guys that shows me two things. He rushes his throws/his base gets skinny, and he goes back to throwing a football like a baseball. I was a 3 sport player, so I understand. If Locker stays away from baseball, does nothing but football, I'm telling u this guy could be great. I'm a fan of Cam b/c of his upside, but no1 has more upside than Jake Locker. Watch him throw on Sunday. If Shanny thinks he can tweak Lockers problem, I would take him.

Posted by: roccoskins | February 25, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Mike Mayock is the only guy I trust when it comes to the draft. Looking at Jake Locker last night, listening to him talk, I'm turning into a believer. While everyone is dropping him purely on his accuracy, I will say this, the guy is smart and a very hard worker. I notice something with the location of his throws. When Mc5 makes bad throws, its in the dirt, right? But with Locker he throws high. I was just telling some guys that shows me two things. He rushes his throws/his base gets skinny, and he goes back to throwing a football like a baseball. I was a 3 sport player, so I understand. If Locker stays away from baseball, does nothing but football, I'm telling u this guy could be great. I'm a fan of Cam b/c of his upside, but no1 has more upside than Jake Locker. Watch him throw on Sunday. If Shanny thinks he can tweak Lockers problem, I would take him.

Posted by: roccoskins | February 25, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm a 3-sport player.

Ping-pong, darts and horseshoes.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if I EVER considered McNabb a Redskin, really.

I mean, I was rootin' for him to do well. I just never trusted the Iggle, yknow?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 25, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if I EVER considered McNabb a Redskin, really.

I mean, I was rootin' for him to do well. I just never trusted the Iggle, yknow?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 25, 2011 11:16 AM

100%, muthaphukin', retarded cosign!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Take a punter; we're gonna need him. Hell, take two punters, 'cause the human leg can only tolerate so much.

Posted by: trebor0012 | February 25, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I don't even consider McNabb a Redskin right now.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2011 11:00 AM


I'm sure you're not alone on that...dude wasn't exactly here long enough to endear himself to this fanbase. I just hope we can get something back for him...even getting back the 4th rounder seems like a good get right now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: roccoskins | February 25, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm fine with taking Locker...in the second round. That's where these project QBs should be taken.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"What about Gabbert do you like that makes him a top 10 pick and future franchis QB? Posted by: Stu27"

I don't know if he's a 'future franchise QB' -- I never know for sure what that means -- but I think he's a potential 5-10 year starter in the league. Three reasons:

1) He's big enough to (hopefully) survive the punishment, and mobile enough to play keep away from the rush
2) he's a good (not great) passer.
3) he doesn't seem to have the major flaw that the others carry with them.

As far as becoming an All-Pro, I wouldn't try to predict that. Has a lot to do with the team that surrounds him.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

A QB selection isn't just about the rewards, it's about the risks. They're all inherently high-risk picks.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

How and when the McNabb-Redskin divorce happens remains to be seen.

'Divorce' implies the redskins and McNabb where in some kind of long term satisfying relationship that somehow soured.

I'd say McNabb was 'shackin' up' in burgandy n gold and once the milk he was gettin' for free went bad, the Shanahans decided soured on him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"When Mc5 makes bad throws, its in the dirt, right? But with Locker he throws high."

That's a bad flaw. In the dirt it's an incompletion. In the air it's often an INT.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

As for Locker, far as I can see, his bad throws come from the pocket, and his better throws when he's outside it. That's not unusual with running QBs -- they're better on the run than otherwise. So defenses try to contain rather than sack them.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Two words...Caleb Hanie.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Two words...Caleb Hanie.

I'll throw out two more:

Matt Flynn

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Two words...Caleb Hanie.


I'll throw out two more:

Matt Flynn


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I'll throw out Big Ten more:

Mike Kafka
Brian Hoyer

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Two words...Caleb Hanie.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 11:32 AM


Two better words: Matt Flynn.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I think if you are drafting a Qb in the top ten your gonna have to pay him franchise QB money so you expect him to be a franchise QB and preform for your team for the foreseeable future. I just dont see what Blaine has done to get that kind of reputation. I dont see it, but thanks for your input.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if Caleb Hanie is now Chicago's Colt Brennan?

Moe, Flynn is tied up through next year I think?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

scamp...um... thhaannkkss??...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 25, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Damn, Moe...get outta my head! That's what I get for posting before refreshing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Nurse Jackie sez "Life is full of little priicks".


mrsmoe says, "I choke on the little pricks that make life full."

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

No Ponder talk at all?

I still think that's viable. When's he projected to go?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 25, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Flynn is tied up through next year I think?

Question:

If you intend to use a second round pick to secure an untested college quarterback, does it make more sense to trade the pick away to the Packers for the somewhat tested Matt Flynn?

Let the debate begin.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Wow...maybe the folks at PFT read the RI comments section:

Ted Thompson tries to quiet Matt Flynn trade speculation

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 25, 2011, 11:43 AM EST
Matt Flynn’s solid effort against the Patriots late last season has a lot of folks wondering if the Packers backup quarterback could be traded this offseason. (If trades are allowed.)

Packers G.M. Ted Thompson did his best Friday to slow down that speculation.

“People are trying to get ahead of themselves, saying this is the logical next step. That’s not necessarily the logical next step. He’s on our team,” Thompson said.

Thompson is never going to give away too much in a press conference setting. But he seemed to indicate that the team has no plans to deal Flynn at this stage. That is different than Eagles G.M. Howie Roseman, who indicated Thursday that trading Kevin Kolb is a possibility. (Of course, Thompson could just be driving up the price.)

“[Flynn's] future is to be on our team. That’s our plan right now,” Thompson said.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

If you intend to use a second round pick to secure an untested college quarterback, does it make more sense to trade the pick away to the Packers for the somewhat tested Matt Flynn?

Let the debate begin.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 11:49 AM

Sure it makes sense...but don't let hessone get wind of this idea.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if Caleb Hanie is now Chicago's Colt Brennan?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Ha, I'm sure he is. Most team's have just as many r-tard fans as we do. I know some Broncos fans that were complaining because of all the rosterbation on their message boards. Dudes were talking about getting a 1st rounder for Kyle Orton and a 2nd rounder for Brian Dawkins. It reminded me so much of RI and the Ladell Betts for a second rounder joke.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

If you intend to use a second round pick to secure an untested college quarterback, does it make more sense to trade the pick away to the Packers for the somewhat tested Matt Flynn?

Let the debate begin.....


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 11:49 AM

I think the more operative question is whether it would take a pick that high to get Flynn...we got a Pro-Bowl veteran QB for a 2nd and a mid-rounder, gotta think a career backup like Flynn realistically wouldn't be more than a 3rd rounder. Personally, I'd offer a 5th rounder and a conditional mid-rounder in 2012.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse


“[Flynn's] future is to be on our team. That’s our plan right now,” Thompson said.


Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 11:53 AM |

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you need a good back-up QB, and flynn did well in rodger's place last year. judging from his past record, i don't see thompson dealing flynn nor the need to do so

Posted by: hessone | February 25, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

All this packers talk got me thinking. So what's everyone think of Cullen Jenkins? Yay or Nay?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"I think if you are drafting a Qb in the top ten your gonna have to pay him franchise QB money so you expect him to be a franchise QB and preform for your team for the foreseeable future. I just dont see what Blaine has done to get that kind of reputation. I dont see it, but thanks for your input.Posted by: Stu27"

See, that's why I don't like the term 'franchise QB'. It's not like the designation 'franchise player'. And of course players who get selected in the top ten get more $$ than others -- that's why teams often try to trade out of those slots.

So before you argue that Gabbert isn't a 'franchise player', you're obligated to come up with a meaningful definition of what is.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"I think if you are drafting a Qb in the top ten your gonna have to pay him franchise QB money so you expect him to be a franchise QB and preform for your team for the foreseeable future. I just dont see what Blaine has done to get that kind of reputation. I dont see it, but thanks for your input.Posted by: Stu27"

See, that's why I don't like the term 'franchise QB'. It's not like the designation 'franchise player'. And of course players who get selected in the top ten get more $$ than others -- that's why teams often try to trade out of those slots.

So before you argue that Gabbert isn't a 'franchise player', you're obligated to come up with a meaningful definition of what is. Otherwise it's a waste of breath.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

career backup like Flynn

Flynn was on the same LSU team that produced Glenn Dorsey and LaRon Landry.

He's spent his NFL time learning the packers' offense.

I don't think he's a 'career back up'--just a young quarterback ready to play.

I'd say he's worth 2-3rd round pick as the Packers will have to be convinced into moving him.

A 5th rounder won't do that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

So before you argue that Gabbert isn't a 'franchise player', you're obligated to come up with a meaningful definition of what is.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Andrew Luck.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Dudes were talking about getting a 1st rounder for Kyle Orton and a 2nd rounder for Brian Dawkins. It reminded me so much of RI and the Ladell Betts for a second rounder joke.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2011 11:59 AM

LOL...a 2nd rounder for a 36 year-old FS?? Holy crap...good to see retardation doesn't just live in Redskin Nation...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't think he's a 'career back up'--just a young quarterback ready to play.

I'd say he's worth 2-3rd round pick as the Packers will have to be convinced into moving him.

A 5th rounder won't do that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 12:10 PM


Moe, I meant that he's only been a backup to this point in his career...not that he's doomed to hold a clipboard for the rest of it.

I think he can be at least a solid starter...not necessarily saying that a 5th rounder would get it done, but that's where I'd start the negotiations.

Like I said, I don't think he's worth more than a 3rd rounder regardless of what his potential is. Bottom line, he's gone ONE career start and shouldn't fetch a return along the lines of what a Pro-Bowler went for a year ago.

If the Pack want more than a 3rd for Flynn, I'd tell 'em to go pound sand. I'd rather roll with Ponder or Kaepernick than to overpay for someone else's backup...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Matt Flynn is kinda a boring name for our new marquee quarterback, don't you think? How about something schnazzy like Caleb Hanie?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Honestly though, I could ask the sh1t I just took and I'd get a better take on the draft than this or anything you've ever uttered.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2011 8:38 AM

Of course you would. You created the sh1t. To the sh1t, you're God. The sh1t worships you. You control its destiny. It will say whatever it thinks you want to hear to avoid the big flush. Did you create it in your own image?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 25, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

can we get a new pa announcer at FedEx Field?

every time i hear his voice it reminds me of losing and i dont like losing

let's start fresh

let's get a new pa announcer

Posted by: retroskins14 | February 25, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap


This is what good Catholics shout whenever they accidently step in poop piles left by the Pope's puppy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"I did talk to Fletcher Smith yesterday," said Shanahan. "Had a great conversation with him. And, you know, I can't go through the details, but it's been talked about, and we'll let the process take care of itself."


Smith: OK, first things first, Mike. Your idiot son Kyle is a joke of an offensive coordinator! You know it, and you hung Donovan out to dry!

Shanahan: Yeah, I heard you the first time you said that. That's why I demoted your client to 3rd string... truth is, I would have put Kyle in the game before Donovan saw any more action.

Smith: Dammit, you should have let Donovan call the plays! Donovan's been a pro bowl QB in this league for a dozen years, and Kyle thinks a couple of years riding the pine in college makes HIM the NFL's offensive expert? Give me a break!

Shanahan: You sir, have crossed the line! I want you and your client outta here!! Do you understand? He will never wear a Redskins uniform again!

Smith: Well that's just great, you narrow-minded jackass! You just wait until Mr Snyder hears about this! He loves Donovan.... Donovan will be starting at QB somewhere in this league long after Mr Snyder sends you and your snot-nosed son packing! You just wait and see...

(Shanahan: We had a "great" conversation)

Posted by: Alan4 | February 25, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

let's get a new pa announcer


Yeah, but who:

--Busta Rhymes: too energetic

--Morgan Freeman: too busy pretending he's Nelson Mandela

--Aretha Franklin: too busy eating

--Christina Aguilera: she'll botch the lyrics to the opening lineup

--Charlie Sheen: he'll only want to work where he's close to the white lines on the field

--Micheal J. Fox: for him, announcing is a shaky proposition

--Dave Chappelle: he'll quit halfway through the game

--Wesley Snipes: he'll think FEDEX Field is a tax and avoid it

Maybe we should just keep the announcer we have.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

every time i hear his voice it reminds me of losing and i dont like losing

Posted by: retroskins14 | February 25, 2011 12:32 PM

Yeah, maybe do what I do now and watch at home...at least for the next few years.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap


This is what good Catholics shout whenever they accidently step in poop piles left by the Pope's puppy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011

use the pope soap on a rope to wash it off

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 25, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

every time i hear his voice it reminds me of losing and i dont like losing

Posted by: retroskins14 | February 25, 2011 12:32 PM

Yeah, maybe do what I do now and watch at home...at least for the next few years.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 12:54 PM

PlayAction's inviting you to his house. Free Bud Lite.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 25, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

let's get a new pa announcer


Yeah, but who:

--Busta Rhymes: too energetic

--Morgan Freeman: too busy pretending he's Nelson Mandela

--Aretha Franklin: too busy eating

--Christina Aguilera: she'll botch the lyrics to the opening lineup

--Charlie Sheen: he'll only want to work where he's close to the white lines on the field

--Micheal J. Fox: for him, announcing is a shaky proposition

--Dave Chappelle: he'll quit halfway through the game

--Wesley Snipes: he'll think FEDEX Field is a tax and avoid it

Maybe we should just keep the announcer we have.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011

Get James Earl Jones. It'll be great, as long as you don't mind that late in the game, he announces that he's your father.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 25, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should just keep the announcer we have.

Posted by: MistaMoe

haha

and maybe not.....you don't happen to be the pa announcer are u moe?

id go with the Rza or Adam Sandler

Posted by: retroskins14 | February 25, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

yea and the bastards dont let you take bong hits and fedex either, another plus of sitting at home and drinkin' $1 Budweisers


i love the tailgates, id rather go to the tailgates and watch the game outside in the parking lot more than anything honestly

Posted by: retroskins14 | February 25, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

PlayAction's inviting you to his house. Free Bud Lite.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 25, 2011 12:58 PM

Monk811 skipped town with our stash of Bud Lite...he was nice enough to leave several boxes of wine though...I tell ya sock puppets are more trouble than they're worth.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

i love the tailgates, id rather go to the tailgates and watch the game outside in the parking lot more than anything honestly

Posted by: retroskins14 | February 25, 2011 1:14 PM

I hear ya...walking up to the stadium reminds me of losing.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

By Mike Jones
"....It's Day 1 of the NFL combine...."

O.K. MIKE it's day two now. Little help here. Hello!

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

O.K. MIKE it's day two now. Little help here. Hello!

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2011 1:23 PM

Seems like Mike may have had a little too much 'fun' in Indy last night.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Sidney Rice might re-sign with the Vikes. I still think Braylon Edwards is going to be our best FA option at WR.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Of course you would. You created the sh1t. To the sh1t, you're God. The sh1t worships you. You control its destiny. It will say whatever it thinks you want to hear to avoid the big flush. Did you create it in your own image?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 25, 2011 12:28 PM

It was not only created in his own image...it looked just like him except, at the last minute, he broke the ears off.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 25, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I think the Jets are def tryin to bring back as much of their team intact as possible, especially on the offensive side, skill players. I think they do everything they can to lock up Holmes and Edwards. Not sure if they can pull it off but the talk outta their FO is that they want to keep moving forward on O with the players they have and gradually keep opening it up for Sanchez.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

PROTESTERS RALLY AT REDSKINS HEADQUARTERS

ASHBURN, VA -- Amid reports that protesters in Tripoli, Libya, will soon succeed in their bid to unseat 40-year Dictator Muammar Gaddafi, fans of the Washington Redskins are said to be adopting similar tactics in their own effort to unseat Dan Snyder, the despot owner of their favorite NFL football franchise.

The once far-fetched scheme to get rid the unpopular franchise owner by any means available seemed to gather new impetus this morning when Snyder's own lawyers joined the protest movement.

Meanwhile, captains and coaches from the team's defensive unit were said to be huddling at an undisclosed location not far from Snyder’s country estate in Potomac, Maryland -- where they are reportedly poised to move in and take control of the team in the ever-increasingly likelihood that Snyder is banished from Redskins territory.

While Snyder has often bristled at any suggestion that he would ever relinquish control of the team, he also reportedly used a recent Superbowl week visit to Dallas to meet with rival franchise owner Jerry Jones and broach the topic of seeking “political asylum” in Dallas should Snyder ever be captured, tarred and feathered, and run out of the nation’s capital city.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 25, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

it looked just like him except, at the last minute, he broke the ears off.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 25, 2011 1:39 PM

Haha

Beeps Peeps

Posted by: PlayAction | February 25, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I still think Braylon Edwards is going to be our best FA option at WR.

I'd pass on Edwards and consider 2 second tier types:

Jacoby Jones

James Jones

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"Andrew Luck.Posted by: Stu27"

Now explain why. BTW, in order to do that, you're going to have to define franchise QB.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton will be a bust. You can write it down right here. He isn't particularly smart (check is college history), and he doesn't handle pressure well. He also won't be able to muscle over or outrun NFL defenders who are larger and just as fast as he is.

Finally, I will say this again. No drafted quarterback for the Redskins this year, will play or be successful. The O-Line is still in critical mode, and no one will be successful running or passing behind the O-line we currently have. Address it through the draft and keep building the future Bruce and Mike. If the defense had not changed to a 3-4, they wouldn't have been so near the bottom. They get to suck it up for a couple years while the offense gets upgraded.

Posted by: murrayh | February 26, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

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