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Reports: John Beck signs contract extension

Quarterback John Beck has signed a contract extension with the Redskins, according to various reports. The deal would seem to indicate that the Redskins intend to keep three quarterbacks and that Richard Bartel, who has been competing with Beck for the third-string job, is the odd man out.

Donovan McNabb is the entrenched starter and Rex Grossman appears to have a firm hold on the backup spot.

The Redskins acquired Beck August 2 from the Baltimore Ravens for cornerback Doug Dutch, who has since been cut.

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, Beck agreed to a two-year, $2.25 million contract extension and is now signed for a total of three years at $3.35 million. Rich Campbell of the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star says Beck signed the deal last week.

By Washington Post editors  |  September 1, 2010; 6:18 PM ET
Categories:  quarterbacks  
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The only thing predictable about MS is his unpredictablity.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Bye Bye Bartel, Beck will hold the clipboard as emergency thrid QB every week.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 1, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

This FO is in lockdown with info aren't they. Signed him last week and we're just now hearing about it? Intrepid reporting going on in Ashburn. I kinda like it. Means the FO has a plan and it's not about PR aka eveything from the previous admin.

Posted by: kmag1 | September 1, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

What an awesome salary for someone who gets to watch NFL football from the sidelines. I'd like to volunteer for that job/salary.

Posted by: Section104 | September 1, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I'd take Kelly's deal - pull a hammy and get paid. Probably gets to watch the game in sweats on the sidelines.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 1, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

to this signing, my reaction is -- huh???

Hoping someone was channeling Mike Wise on this story.

Otherwise ... who locks up a 3rd string QB for 3 years?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Any of ya'll think a look at Reggie Wells could help out? He might be available.

Posted by: noluvdr | September 1, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

The only thing predictable about MS is his unpredictablity.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

It really is. As far as the make up of the team, it'll be interesting who ends up with the short end of the stick..

Posted by: TWISI | September 1, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I challenge anyone to build a list of 5 Skins players who accomplished more FOR THE TEAM in the past decade... no Jason Taylors or Albert Haynesworths who built their careers somewhere else and didn't do it in a Skins uni.

I'll help you get started:
Darrell Green
Chris Samuels...

Posted by: Alan4 | September 1, 2010 1:11 PM


If we're talking about the last decade (the 2000s), I wouldn't even put Darrell Green on that list since he retired at the end of '02 and was a backup his last 3 years. If I have to go 5 deep, mine would look like this (in no particular order):

Chris Samuels
Sean Taylor
Champ Bailey
LaVar Arrington
Clinton Portis

Honorable mention: Mike Sellers, Ethan Albright, Stephen Davis

Anyone not putting LaVar on that list is just COMPLETELY blind with bias...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

to this signing, my reaction is -- huh???

Hoping someone was channeling Mike Wise on this story.

Otherwise ... who locks up a 3rd string QB for 3 years?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2010 6:48 PM

There is another QB on the roster that needs a 3 yr contract, say 3 yrs 24-30 million range.

Maybe it's already happened and we'll hear about sometime in October.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

to this signing, my reaction is -- huh???

Hoping someone was channeling Mike Wise on this story.

Otherwise ... who locks up a 3rd string QB for 3 years?

Posted by: zcezcest1 |

Someone who thinks the guy he locked up is NOT going to be a 3rd String QB for three years. Somehow, I don't think the guy who coached John Elway is gonna make a bunch of dumb QB decisions.

Posted by: TheCork | September 1, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

TheTruth11 has signed a one year contract with Redskins Insider, vet min + incentives.

'Cause I'm a vet, and The Truth is back. Bow down.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | September 1, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't get this Beck re-signing...he's not young enough to be McNabb's heir apparent and hasn't been here long enough to pick up the offense to the point where he could prove he's a legit #2. Total head-scratcher...

On Reggie Wells: looks like he's a lot like Artis Hicks...steady backup G/T with some starting experience. He's got more experience starting than Hicks does but would still feel like more a move for depth than addressing a need for a solid starter, IMO. Giving up a slappie headed for the waiver wire Saturday anyway or a conditional 7th rounder wouldn't hurt my feelings...

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2070

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Cork, we both know that Shanahan makes greet decisions as a coach ... as a personnel guy ... thats another story

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Grossman could get the boot next year....

Posted by: hand_of_doom | September 1, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I like this signing. I liked it when they traded for him too.

Beck has a ton of upside and they are getting him for a very reasonable price. He looked sharp against the Jets last week, throwing the ball quickly and accurately.

This gives him three years in the system - assuming McNabb lasts that long, and the opportunity to make a case to be the starter, or a very reliable back up.

If he doesn't pan out, what did we lose? A high draft pick with a big signing bonus? Nope. We lost Doug Dutch.

I'm inclined to give Shanny a little rope when it comes to QB decisions.

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

On Reggie Wells: looks like he's a lot like Artis Hicks...steady backup G/T with some starting experience. He's got more experience starting than Hicks does but would still feel like more a move for depth than addressing a need for a solid starter, IMO. Giving up a slappie headed for the waiver wire Saturday anyway or a conditional 7th rounder wouldn't hurt my feelings...

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2070

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 7:15 PM

Co-sign


He's probably worth a look. I gotta believe he'll be an upgrade over Heyer or Rhino. A little depth would go a long way on that right side.

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm inclined to give Shanny a little rope when it comes to QB decisions.

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2010 7:20 PM

To hang himself? Or someone else?

Posted by: Chihuahua_Pet | September 1, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Also, jingling your keys confuses Wade Phillips.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 1, 2010 4:42 PM

Funny

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

See ya Bartel. We hardly knew ya.
BTW, F-Dallas!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | September 1, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

To hang himself? Or someone else?

Posted by: Chihuahua_Pet | September 1, 2010 7:31 PM

I was thinking more like a leash. You know, to run aroun... oh never mind.

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

edvar wins the nice guy of the day award.

Posted by: Chihuahua_Pet | September 1, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm inclined to give Shanny a little rope when it comes to QB decisions.

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2010 7:20 PM

To hang himself? Or someone else?

Posted by: Chihuahua_Pet | September 1, 2010 7:31 PM |

Could be a rope made of hemp.

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Selvish Capers To See Some Time At Guard

"Makes it a whole lot easier," he says. "Tackle, you've got inside help but you don't necessarily have outside help. With guard, all you've gotta do is pretty much protect your areas. I feel like it's more of an area-defined position, and once you understand that aspect of it, you'll be okay."

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

How about they signed him to a big contract so when they release him Saturday it's less tempting for another team to snatch him up, he clears waivers and gets put on the practice squad?

Posted by: williambyrlpricejr | September 1, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

How about they signed him to a big contract so when they release him Saturday it's less tempting for another team to snatch him up, he clears waivers and gets put on the practice squad?

Posted by: williambyrlpricejr | September 1, 2010 8:17 PM |

You're kidding right?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't get this Beck re-signing...he's not young enough to be McNabb's heir apparent and hasn't been here long enough to pick up the offense to the point where he could prove he's a legit #2. Total head-scratcher...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 1, 2010 7:15 PM

Kyle Shanahan said when they signed Beck that he'd liked him ever since he came into the league. Hasn't picked up the offense, but he has been here long enough that the Shanahans know what he's got and how he will fit in. Love this signing and that they picked him up for a slappie that they would have cut yesterday.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Beck's not eligible for the practice squad because he was on Baltimore's actual roster last year. Bartel, however, is eligible to go back on the practice squad. That would not be a bad move given no one really expects McNabb to actually last the entire season, we could get lucky, but I prefer to be pragmatic.

Posted by: drmammal1 | September 1, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Beck's not eligible for the practice squad because he was on Baltimore's actual roster last year. Bartel, however, is eligible to go back on the practice squad. That would not be a bad move given no one really expects McNabb to actually last the entire season, we could get lucky, but I prefer to be pragmatic.

Posted by: drmammal1 | September 1, 2010 8:23 PM

They're not going to waste a practice squad slot on Bartel if they've got three QB's on the roster. Bartel might be starting for Arizona if we cut him.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

There is another QB on the roster that needs a 3 yr contract, say 3 yrs 24-30 million range.

Maybe it's already happened and we'll hear about sometime in October.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 7:05 PM |

Maybe. The Skins probably want to get a feel for his durability before they make any big time $$$ commitments.

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Bartel might be starting for Arizona if we cut him.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 8:26 PM |

Or Oak. Camp is injured and Grad is injury prone. Oak likes Camp so they prob would like Bart also.

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Maybe. The Skins probably want to get a feel for his durability before they make any big time $$$ commitments.

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 8:27 PM

You mean like a 2nd & 3rd/4th rd pick. Are you also suggesting that they should give a 6x pro bowler a tryout.

I didn't want him here but he makes us better and the draft picks they sent to Philly is too much for a 1 yr rental.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

You mean like a 2nd & 3rd/4th rd pick. Are you also suggesting that they should give a 6x pro bowler a tryout.

I didn't want him here but he makes us better and the draft picks they sent to Philly is too much for a 1 yr rental.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 8:32 PM

I don't think it's about whether they sign him. They want him. What they're trying to do is to set his salary based on how well he does in the first, say, six weeks.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I didn't want him here but he makes us better and the draft picks they sent to Philly is too much for a 1 yr rental.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Come on, Diesel, you didn't want him here? I never thought Iggles would trade him to us, so I never dreamed about having him. But he is such an improvement over JC... I'm hoping we can get 3+ years out of him. Yes, he'll miss a few games, but what a great leader he is!

Posted by: frediefritz | September 1, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

beep-

There is no doubt they want to extend him. The question is does McNabb want an extention. He may play this year and end up in Minn next year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Bartel might be starting for Arizona if we cut him.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 8:26 PM |

BTW, the Skins, with the worst OL in the league last yr, cut the strip club parking lot stickup artist known as Jeremy Bridges and he was picked up by 'Zona and started for them at LT in the 2009 playoffs although he is currently backing up Levi (Jeans) Brown. Did a good job protecting Warner gainst the Saints - didn't give up any sacks.

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

fredie-

He makes us better, he's a huge upgrade to JC17, and he's a class act. I'll root for him while he wears the BnG................But, He's an Eggle.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

So nfl.com also has Byron Westbrook listed as being released today on its transactions page. The dude has got to feel the writing is on the wall.

Why the hell would anyone leak this 'information?' Just puzzling.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 1, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

RE: They're not going to waste a practice squad slot on Bartel if they've got three QB's on the roster. Bartel might be starting for Arizona if we cut him.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 8:26 PM

I wouldn't consider putting Bartel on the practice squad a "wasted slot". Have you looked at the 2011 QB draft class?? unless a bunch of guys suddenly spring from nowhere, it's pretty light (3, maybe 4 decent guys at best) and we won't be a position to grab any of those. That will leave other teams scrambling as well, so the QB grab will be on, big time. So that will leave us hoping our apparent roster trio stays healthy or we "luck" into someone. We also don't have a lot of trade-fodder right now, so trading for someone decent is probably not a real option down the line either. We stole Beck, one for Bruce, there. Not sure how many more of those steal/deals we'll be able to make. I'd prefer to stash someone on the practice squad, if push comes to shove, we can cut him loose later.

Posted by: drmammal1 | September 1, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

You mean like a 2nd & 3rd/4th rd pick. Are you also suggesting that they should give a 6x pro bowler a tryout.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 8:32 PM |

The Skins are definitely rolling the dice with DM. He has an injury history and he is getting up in years. It's like a poker game. You don't throw everything in at once. The game proceeds in stages and if you think you have a good hand or you are a good bluffer then you keep putting coin in the pot but if not you drop out. So if, God forbid, Ware whizzes by TW and plants DM and he ends up keeping MK co on the IR then a contract extension becomes iffy. But if after getting planted by Ware, DM pops up and dusts Ware off then a contract extension is done in a jiffy.

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

nobody puts qbs on the practice squad. It simply is pointless. There are only enough reps for #1 perhaps a handful for #2 and #2 or #3 runs the scout team. Furthermore, anyteam could claim him off the practice squad. What team wouldn't want to snatch some guy for information sake.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 1, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

But, He's an Eggle.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 8:46 PM


Same as Sonny Jurgensen. One of the greatest quarterbacks ever. Got his college training from Duke University.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I'd prefer to stash someone on the practice squad, if push comes to shove, we can cut him loose later.

Posted by: drmammal1 | September 1, 2010 8:48 PM


This team needs players at a lot of positions. What it doesn't need is a 4th string QB.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

With McNabb still unsigned to a contract extension and Grossman only working off a one-year, league minimum contract, the Shanahans might be bringing young Mr. Beck along sooner than we think...

Posted by: Vic1 | September 1, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I just farted and this is what came out:

http://twitter.com/Poopy_McPoop

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 1, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I just farted and this is what came out:

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 1, 2010 9:04 PM

Oh, let us guess. Your personality? Your breath? Your brains? Am I close?

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Kyle loves Beck. No tats, but he does think he is the shiznet. Beck is the clubhosue leader for challenger to the throne if not heir apparent.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 1, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, Beck agreed to a two-year, $2.25 million contract extension and is now signed for a total of three years at $3.35 million.

A rather strange personnel move for someone who did not impress in either Miami or Balt. Whatever he did in the preseason for the Skins was against scrubs. Is this a possible indication that Shanahan has doubts about DM's health and not much confidence in RG?

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

fredie-

He makes us better, he's a huge upgrade to JC17, and he's a class act. I'll root for him while he wears the BnG................But, He's an Eggle.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Maroon and black, baby. He's wearing maroon and black. DMac is a Skin. And yes, he wants to remain a skin. He'll sign an extension, when BA and he agree on terms. Book it.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 1, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

From what little I saw, have to say Bartel looked more polished than Beck. Arm appeared to be much stronger also.

Posted by: bones21 | September 1, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Just further proof, for anyone who is really paying attention, that this old geezer and his lackey have absolutely no clue what their doing. The media and idiot fans continue drinking the Kool-aide while these lame brains 'wing it'. Great. I'm sure I'll ghet blasted today -- holler at me in two months when the Skins are getting crushed by the Lions!

Posted by: guisher | September 1, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Kyle loves Beck. No tats, but he does think he is the shiznet. Beck is the clubhosue leader for challenger to the throne if not heir apparent.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 1, 2010 9:10 PM |

There is a parllel here. DA bombed out in Balt and Cleve and now is the apple of Whiz's eye in 'Zona. So JB bombs out in Miami and Balt and now is the apple of KS's eye in DC?

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

not much confidence in RG?

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 9:11

I'm not sure how anyone can have confidence in Rex. Dude is a TO machine...5 fumbles and 1 int in 6 Qtrs of play.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

We actually signed Bartel off the Giant's practice squad where he sat for the past 2 years. There are several teams with QBs on their practice squads. It's not as unusual as you might think. It's not like the practice squad guys take up one of the regular 53 slots, they are 8 additional spots or 9 if you get one to move out of the country--send him to Canada or Mexico I guess. Given that, I don't see it as a "wasted" slot. Yes, you do risk losing them to another team, but if you cut them, then you definitely have lost them. They do get paid, not a whole lot though, just a whopping $5,200/week during the season, so they pretty much have to work another full-time gig to pay the bills or have another means of support. Like I said, putting Bartel on the practice squad seems to me to be a low risk, low cost move.

Posted by: drmammal1 | September 1, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how anyone can have confidence in Rex. Dude is a TO machine...5 fumbles and 1 int in 6 Qtrs of play.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 9:20 PM |

True dat, D44.

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

We actually signed Bartel off the Giant's practice squad where he sat for the past 2 years. There are several teams with QBs on their practice squads. It's not as unusual as you might think. It's not like the practice squad guys take up one of the regular 53 slots, they are 8 additional spots or 9 if you get one to move out of the country--send him to Canada or Mexico I guess. Given that, I don't see it as a "wasted" slot. Yes, you do risk losing them to another team, but if you cut them, then you definitely have lost them. They do get paid, not a whole lot though, just a whopping $5,200/week during the season, so they pretty much have to work another full-time gig to pay the bills or have another means of support. Like I said, putting Bartel on the practice squad seems to me to be a low risk, low cost move.

Posted by: drmammal1 | September 1, 2010 9:22 PM

I'm pretty sure you are ineligible for the practice squad if you've already been on it for 2 years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

re:
I'm pretty sure you are ineligible for the practice squad if you've already been on it for 2 years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 9:24 PM

Actually, if you are not on the SAME team's practice squad, you can stay on a practice quad for more than 2 years. So since he is not with the Giant's any more, he can go on the Redskin's practice squad, no probelmo.

Posted by: drmammal1 | September 1, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Gotcha, wierd rule.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Just further proof, for anyone who is really paying attention, that this old geezer and his lackey have absolutely no clue what their doing.

Posted by: guisher | September 1, 2010 9:17 PM

guisher's up here playing the fool, very convincingly. Surest way to look like a bumpkin is to second guess Mike Shanahan on QBs. He took Jake Plummer after Arizona dumped him and got Jake to play his best football. Plummer got them to the AFC championship game. He made Jay Cutler a Pro Bowler. This is the same Jay Cutler who looks like, well, a guisher in Chicago.

For your next act, guisher, tell us about how the Shanahans can't find a good running back.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

From nfl.com:

Haynesworth could see a considerable workload this week, but he is still far from assured of a starting spot in Week 1, according to a member of the Redskins' staff. There is even a possibility that Haynesworth could be deactivated for the Redskins' Week 1 matchup with the Dallas Cowboys, the source surmised, as coach Mike Shanahan continues to sort through what has been a troubling offseason with the high-priced defensive lineman.

These remarks are puzzling inasmuch as relations between MS and AH seemed to be getting better, not worse, and there has not been any word lately about possible physical ailments that AH might have.

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

They do get paid, not a whole lot though, just a whopping $5,200/week during the season, so they pretty much have to work another full-time gig to pay the bills or have another means of support. Like I said, putting Bartel on the practice squad seems to me to be a low risk, low cost move.

Posted by: drmammal1 | September 1, 2010 9:22 PM

Yeah, can't imagine having to scrape by on $5200/wk. Poor bastid.

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 1, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Bartel might be starting for Arizona if we cut him.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 8:26 PM |

Actually if there is a former Skins QB collection point in the NFL it is the Saints. They currently have PR and CD and not so long ago had MB. If the Skins did cut Bartel it would be no surprise if the Saints cut either PR or CD so they could pick him up.

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

From what little I saw, have to say Bartel looked more polished than Beck. Arm appeared to be much stronger also.

Posted by: bones21 | September 1, 2010 9:16 PM

Watched both at OTAs, in camp, in the games and have noticed that Bartel is taller--the programs lie (no way Santana Moss is 5'11' and weighs 209#), both move through their reads very quickly, neither telegraphs their throws, Beck looks to be a bit more mobile, but only slightly. Bartel definitely has a stronger arm, he was a pitcher in the Reds farm team organization before switching to football. Beck has a lower point of release than Bartel which could be problematic with batted balls and at-the-line interceptions--it was definitely a problem at camp, at least on the days I was there.

Posted by: drmammal1 | September 1, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

These remarks are puzzling inasmuch as relations between MS and AH seemed to be getting better, not worse, and there has not been any word lately about possible physical ailments that AH might have.

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 9:41 PM |

This is something that our old nemisis JLaC has dreamed up. I wouldn't put too much stock in this "rumor."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

These remarks are puzzling inasmuch as relations between MS and AH seemed to be getting better, not worse, and there has not been any word lately about possible physical ailments that AH might have.

Posted by: PsyOps | September 1, 2010 9:41 PM |

This is something that our old nemisis JLaC has dreamed up. I wouldn't put too much stock in this "rumor."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Interesting comparisons with Jason C. and Donovan M. comparing first four years played:

Jason C. vs Donovan M.
year (qb rate %completed)
1 - 76.5 53.1 vs 60.1 49.1
2 - 77.6 60.0 vs 77.8 58.0
3 - 84.3 62.3 vs 84.3 57.8
4 - 86.4 64.5 vs 86.0 58.4
5 - not yet for him - 79.6 57.5

Note that Jason did not play his first year in the league but Donovan did. Also note that Jason continually improved his rating and his percentage completed. Note that Donovan dropped off his 5th year. Just saying Jason could have a great year or if like Donovan a downturn. In any event I think someone did a similar post when we still had both qbs. Not sure! I wish them both the best unless we play against each other which is doubtful to be very soon! Interesting eh?

Posted by: Hanburger | September 1, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Just saying Jason could have a great year or if like Donovan a downturn. In any event I think someone did a similar post when we still had both qbs. Not sure! I wish them both the best unless we play against each other which is doubtful to be very soon! Interesting eh?

Posted by: Hanburger | September 1, 2010 9:58 PM

So JC could do better or worse, got it.

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 1, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Actually, would not be surprised if Albert did not start against Dallas. He has not started a game yet, come in on nickel coverages and such and then picked up more of a load in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, but has not started. Would be surprised if he was inactive, that would not make sense unless he was injured or otherwise incapacitated (being a whining idiot does not qualify as incapacitated).

Posted by: drmammal1 | September 1, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"I don't get this Beck re-signing...he's not young enough to be McNabb's heir apparent.."

The Shanny's liked him in college from what I hear and traded for him when they found out Baltimore made him available.

Personally, I thought he looked better then Grossman the last game.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 1, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse


But, He's an Eggle.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 1, 2010 8:46 PM


Same as Sonny Jurgensen. One of the greatest quarterbacks ever. Got his college training from Duke University.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 8:59 PM |

McNabb doesn't openly hate the Eagle's like Sonny does.

Posted by: hessone | September 1, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan makes greet decisions as a coach ... as a personnel guy ... thats another story

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs wasn't any good at it either. But wonder whether Allen have much say in make personnel decisions at all? And if so, is he any good at it?

O.K. I'll answer my own question. No he's not really involved and wouldn't be any good at it anyway unless someone knows something I don't.

Allen was brought in by Shanny to take care of the money end and keep Snyder distracted and out of the way. It's Shanahan's regime, he's completely in charge and we'll see how it goes...

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 1, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how any of these qbs would have done behind the OL that we had last year?
Jason could run while Donovan has lost that. Not saying Jason is better just that if he continues to improve we may second guess re day we had to let him go. That said, I think our team will continue to improve our QB play so it is a mute question. Too bad we couldn't have put Jason on IR or on Sabbatical or anything but give him away. That hurt.

Too bad they can't have a much bigger practice squad. It would be better than grabbing a guy from the street. Perhaps some of those cut could get a job in the equipment room or be the office shredder guy while having the playbook and a digital in their pocket to watch opponents film. Or they could go to McNabb's Arizona camp and lean how to stretch along with MK or something.

Posted by: Hanburger | September 1, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

McNabb doesn't openly hate the Eagle's like Sonny does.

Posted by: hessone | September 1, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Don't sell him short, give him a chance. You can bet dollars to donuts that McNabb (and the rest of the team who definitely have his back) will be out to EMBARRASS the eggles.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 1, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

You don't have to hate them off the field, just on the field. Aren't some players good friends until they step onto the field to play against each other? I hope that all our opposing teams are overconfident and are embarrassed by our team as a result. Then they have themselves to blame and will hate themselves and not our team! That is how a downward spiral begins for them and an most improved team begins for us!

Posted by: Hanburger | September 1, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

"The only thing predictable about MS is his unpredictablity.Posted by: Diesel44"

He really is difficult to pigeonhole. I think it's because they control information more closely than Gibbs or Zorn ever did. Schottenheimer was a little like that.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 1, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

my fantasy draft+wife's masters thesis=doghouse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 1, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's about whether they sign him. They want him. What they're trying to do is to set his salary based on how well he does in the first, say, six weeks.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 1, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I thought it had more to do with what PM and TB do with their contracts...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 1, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

RomoLongballs, sounds like someone in your family is a browns fan. Unless of course you mean that you are in the doghouse with some fantasy then yea, I guess your wife could write a very interesting masters thesis! Have heart, as long as you have cable or direct TV going to the doghouse you will be fine! Have her fill your bowl with your favorite goodies! Just make sure your bark is worse than you bite!

Posted by: Hanburger | September 1, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

my fantasy draft+wife's masters thesis=doghouse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 1, 2010 10:58 PM |

Don't put her in the doghouse RLB. She can't do "things" while she's in there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

LOL Scamp. We both know who's in the doghouse. I swear my draft just coincided with her thesis meltdown...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 1, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

LOL Scamp. We both know who's in the doghouse. I swear my draft just coincided with her thesis meltdown...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 1, 2010 11:23 PM |

Ah yes, the convenient scapegoat. It couldn't possibly be her...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Apparently the NFLPA thought there was something funny about that Dennis Morris trade, too... see link:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/09/01/rookie.trades.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

Posted by: Samson151 | September 1, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Who was it yesterday trying to tell me Sam Hurd isn't a special team player? PFT says he's a very good special teamer. Either way he definitely plays special teams.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

wifeylongballs is a saint!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 1, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

my fantasy draft+wife's masters thesis=doghouse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 1, 2010 10:58 PM |

Dude, it sounds like you need a bigger house or a detached garage - you know, someplace to hide when the heat is coming down...

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

wifeylongballs is a saint!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 1, 2010 11:53 PM |

She's right behind you isn't she?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 1, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Dude, it sounds like you need a bigger house or a detached garage - you know, someplace to hide when the heat is coming down...

Posted by: edvar | September 1, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

A) Word. Does it come with a jerk station?

B) No, she's right. Her degree should cut off my balls.

C) Hell, no. I'm the g0damned Juggernaut!

D) Hiding from my wife only feeds my power of masculinity.

E) She's cool, she made me dinner and poured me a drink or two.

Lucky me, E. But also F.

F) She'll remember this for as long as she and I both might live.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 2, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Scamp, yes, still there.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 2, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Professor Brady looks gay.

There.

Somebody needed to say it.


Posted by: MistaMoe | September 1, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

This looks like his registered sex offender mandatory photo. Creepy.

Since when does the Free-Lance Star break Skins stories??

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 2, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

juat watched Hard Knocks. Gotta say, I was cursing at the screen. love it that we shoved the ball, in his own words, up rex ryan's a$$. f him. Great that we won.

I also watched the GM steamroll Kellen Clemens on his pay. What a wuss. Clemens should have told the GM that he wanted to be paid what he's worth, and that if Sanchez got hurt, he was good enough to take the team all the way. If the Jets wanted to part company, then Clemens felt he was good enough to play in this league and get paid what he is worth. The Jets GM knew that the other 2 guys (including Brunell) aren't good enough.

I wouldn't want Clemens on my team -- I don't want a QB that can't stand up for himself. He probably would get a call from AZ and be given a chance to start if the Jets had let him go over pay. Heck, Clemens might be better than Sanchez at this moment in time.

That said, however, why are the Jets getting Clemens for a minimum and Shanahan is signing a guy who has done nothing for 3yrs and $3+million?

I'm still hoping this story is wrong. I know Shanahan liked the kid when he was in college in 2006. But 4 years is way too long to maintain a hard on over a college kid.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 2, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else put much as much stock in this signing as me? I know it's not guaranteed but 2 yr extension for a total of 3 yrs for a guy that carries the clipbpard for the guy that carries the clipboard...seems to me like Shanny really thinks this guy could be our future starter. Say we get 3 more years outta #5 (I think this is best-case) - seems awfully likely that Beck sees playing time at some point between now and then (I doubt Grossman will be here beyond next year). If he plays well filling in, could well get another extension in 2013. He'll be 31 and will have 3 years in the system backing up a future HOF. By then young Shanny will be HC, elder will be in the front office full time. There is your glimpse into the future.

-Nostradamus_LMG

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 2, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Are you serious this is an fn joke? this staff is more entertaining then Jim Zorn! The Ravens gave him away and we signed him, for what? you could have put him on the practice sqad, and no one would have touched him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: gwest1 | September 2, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

now that Kelly has been shelved, don't be shocked to see the skins go after Antonio Bryant who was just released by the Bengals. Bryant spent a few years in a west coast offense in a lil town called tampa where Bruce allen happend to be at the time.he's not great but would definitely give our group a boost. discuss?

Posted by: nflorida1 | September 2, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Are you serious this is an fn joke? this staff is more entertaining then Jim Zorn! The Ravens gave him away and we signed him, for what? you could have put him on the practice sqad, and no one would have touched him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought the wayens were the first family of comedy? The Shannys are holding their own.

Posted by: gwest1 | September 2, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm inclined to give Shanny the benefit of the doubt on this one. You win two rings (Superbowl, not out of the mall vending mahcine) and we'll talk.

p.s. to clarify my last post- I'm not sold he's our eventual successor to McNabb; I am fairly well convinced that they feel he has the chance to be that, thus locking him up for $1 million per is sensible; seems like they overpaid now but if he does end up following McNabb as the team leader, it'll end up as a bargain, even tho it'll mean a bigger extenstion in a few yrs.

I really cannot get over how creepy Brady looks in this Xfinity ad

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 2, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Poopy...please tell me that you don't tweet while you're on the pot?

Posted by: PlayAction | September 1, 2010 2:25 PM
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Well with today's modern technology, with all the silicon chips and such, it's rather easy to take a laptop into the bathroom and use wireless internet to surf the web whenever, wherever.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 2, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Earl the Pearl... Its comin' on boys, and its comin' on strong.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 2, 2010 3:34 AM | Report abuse

to this signing, my reaction is -- huh???

Hoping someone was channeling Mike Wise on this story.

Otherwise ... who locks up a 3rd string QB for 3 years?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 1, 2010 6:48 PM

I have to say, from what I've seen, Beck is the best QB on the team. I mean, right NOW. McNabb will be hurt. It's not his fault. He's old and laid it on the line many times. But Beck is a gamer (unlike the missing stooge Wrecks).

I'm actually happy about this. I think it's important, not for the distant future, but next year, perhaps. The growth from week 2 to 3 was impressive. I'm a big Beck fan... and I tore him a new one after his first outing. Dude can play QB.

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 2, 2010 4:33 AM | Report abuse

I really cannot get over how creepy Brady looks in this Xfinity ad

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 2, 2010 12:55 AM

Yeah, that guy is a serious tool. I mean, call me a hater. I dont care. I don't hate... OK, well, I hate a lot, but Brady gives me the Fking creeps.

Ever since I found out he was dating Giselle. I mean, she looks great in the ads and all, but just hanging out? It's all about perception with this guy. He's a good QB when given time, but he's one of those guys that I just want to bring back to earth. Talk about ego-maniac!

I bet he had Victoria's Secret do the airbrushing for his face. Just creepy. You'll note: he never thanks his O Line. Never. They don't exist. Nor Randy Moss and Edelman or Wes Welker. It was all him. The guy is a HUGE d0uche. One of the biggest ever. I could see him buying the Dallas Cowboys one day, clapping on the sidelines with all his rings clattering together. D0uche-O-Rama!

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 2, 2010 4:39 AM | Report abuse

Couple thoughts after skimming the comments from last night:

-The more I think about this potential Reggie Wells move the more I like it. Dude actually has waaay more starting experience than Hicks and would probably win the starting RG gig easily. If we can make this move on the cheap, we absolutely have to make it happen.

-I get that our staff likes Beck. What I don't get is why they felt the need to pay him like a top notch backup or marginal starter. If you're 3rd string QB is making over a million per year, there's something very wrong with your salary structure...

-Stop with the "McNabb is going to Minny/AZ next year" crap. Not gonna happen. If this dude can be loyal to Philly after they've done nothing but boo him loudly and constantly since the day he was drafted, he can show loyalty to the one team that's showed him any respect. He'll get his money...it's just a matter of how much.

-Co-sign on the Tom Brady comments...someone needs to tell this dude that the window has closed on "That 70s Show" and that there's no need for the retro look. Even gay dudes look at him and say "that's gay"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 5:53 AM | Report abuse

As far as Beck, that seems to be Kyle's pick. He certainly did well with Matt Schaub. He may in fact think Beck has the tools to eventually be the starter.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2010 5:59 AM | Report abuse

Samson, part of my point with Beck is that dude is 29. If McNabb is here for the next 3-5 years as I expect, then Beck wouldn't take the reins until he's about 33 or so. Not exactly "QB of the future" material.

That said, if he's a solid backup, I can live with that. Or if he's a Rich Gannon-esque stopgap after McNabb retires...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 6:08 AM | Report abuse

-I get that our staff likes Beck. What I don't get is why they felt the need to pay him like a top notch backup or marginal starter. If you're 3rd string QB is making over a million per year, there's something very wrong with your salary structure...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 5:53 AM

brownwood--He signed a $2.25 million extension. His salary for this year was already $1.1 million when they traded for him. So he's at the same place in the "salary structure" that he was when they got him. Obviously they see him as more than a 3rd string QB -- Mike Shanahan usually only carries two QBs on his roster. The signing is bad news for Grossman and Bartel.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

McNabb doesn't openly hate the Eagle's like Sonny does.

Posted by: hessone | September 1, 2010 10:19 PM

Open hate! That's what we like in a QB. McNabb didn't have the benefit of a Duke education.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Samson's link:

"Also on Monday, the Eagles traded Charles Scott to the Cardinals for Jorrick Calvin in an exchange of players taken in the sixth round of this year's draft. That trade appeared to be more practical because Scott is a fullback, a position of need for the Cardinals because Nehemiah Broughton was lost for the season last week with a knee injury."

Nehemiah Broughton! We found Nemo! Before there was a Leigh Torrence, a Marcus Mason, or a Marko Mitchell, there was Nemo. Guy was a 7th rounder in the 2005 draft out of the Citadel. Was with the Redskins for three years and there were tears on RI when he was cut loose. "He's gonna be a star and he's gonna kill us." He's still balling as a bottom-of-the-roster guy! He had brief visits with Panthers, Vikings, Giants, and Cardinals, though he never actually played in a game for any of them.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 6:40 AM | Report abuse

I got Snyder sacking Shanahan in three years.

Posted by: shamken | September 2, 2010 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Interesting list of guys that could be cut or traded in the next few days...some of which would be intriguing for the Redskins:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/NFL-cutdown-deadline-players-to-be-cut-traded-2010-preseason

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

brownwood--He signed a $2.25 million extension. His salary for this year was already $1.1 million when they traded for him. So he's at the same place in the "salary structure" that he was when they got him. Obviously they see him as more than a 3rd string QB -- Mike Shanahan usually only carries two QBs on his roster. The signing is bad news for Grossman and Bartel.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 6:18 AM


Beep, you're missing what I'm saying...who pays over a million a year for a 3rd string QB? Trading for an existing contract is one thing--they didn't sign him to that deal and it was for only one year in an uncapped year. I'm just saying why re-sign the guy at that same rate when you probably could have him for less? I mean, we got him for Doug f-ing Dutch so it's not like he's a hot commodity...

Grossman is going nowhere in 2010, so unless they view him as just a one-and-done backup option for McNabb and then want to rely on Beck to be the primary backup for 2011 and beyond, then it makes no sense.

The upside is that if that's the plan, we won't waste a high pick on a QB next year....

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Beep, you're missing what I'm saying...who pays over a million a year for a 3rd string QB? Trading for an existing contract is one thing--they didn't sign him to that deal and it was for only one year in an uncapped year. I'm just saying why re-sign the guy at that same rate when you probably could have him for less? I mean, we got him for Doug f-ing Dutch so it's not like he's a hot commodity...

Grossman is going nowhere in 2010, so unless they view him as just a one-and-done backup option for McNabb and then want to rely on Beck to be the primary backup for 2011 and beyond, then it makes no sense.

The upside is that if that's the plan, we won't waste a high pick on a QB next year....

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 6:58 AM

I heard what you're saying. I think you're wrong. Grossman and Beck are competing for the backup job. One of them will be cut after training camp next year. Shanahan doesn't usually carry three QB's. He's not paying $1.1 million for a 3rd string QB after this year.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

-Stop with the "McNabb is going to Minny/AZ next year" crap. Not gonna happen. If this dude can be loyal to Philly after they've done nothing but boo him loudly and constantly since the day he was drafted, he can show loyalty to the one team that's showed him any respect. He'll get his money...it's just a matter of how much.

cosign, brownie

Posted by: frediefritz | September 2, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Selvish Capers To See Some Time At Guard

Yet another good idea--it explains how Edwin Williams became expendable--but I'm wondering if Capers has the upper body strength needed to play inside.

An off season of power lifting added to the frame of a guy with tight end athleticism might make Capers an excellent interior linemen one day.

Too, you have to lilke how the o-line is being shaped: each depth player is able to play either center/guard or guard tackle.

That's how you built an offensive line folks, and it's also the best way to maximize the guys you have.

Athleticism has replaced bulk as a requirement for redskin offensive linemen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Grossman and Beck are competing for the backup job. One of them will be cut after training camp next year. Shanahan doesn't usually carry three QB's. He's not paying $1.1 million for a 3rd string QB after this year.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 7:16 AM


Dude, where are you getting this? Grossman is the backup. Period. Beck hasn't played in this offense (or AT ALL) long enough to even give him a legit competition. If you've got a link somewhere saying otherwise, please share.

Again...they could have waited to re-sign him at the end of the season and not had to pay him an extra $2+ million to do it. He's got no leverage and no interest elsewhere. If he were about 4 or 5 years younger I could see them liking him as a "QB of the future" project, but nobody puts that kinda stock in a 29 year-old with a whopping ONE career TD pass.

Still trust the Shanahan/Allen braintrust, but I just don't see what they're seeing here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse


I got Snyder sacking Shanahan in three years.

Posted by: shamken | September 2, 2010 6:45 AM |

If the Redskins don't make the SB by then, Shanahan is toast.

Posted by: hessone | September 2, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Moe, let's be really man...Edwin Williams was always expendable. Probably had something to do with the fact that he sucks...

I'm with you on Capers though...he's a good size for a guard, just a matter of whether his particular skill set translates to playing inside. Judging from the quotes, sounds like he likes the move.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

I got Snyder sacking Shanahan in three years.

Posted by: shamken | September 2, 2010 6:45 AM |

If the Redskins don't make the SB by then, Shanahan is toast.

Posted by: hessone | September 2, 2010 7:28 AM


I think you guys sell Shanahan short...I mean, this guy full-on seduced Pat Bowlen into damn near being his best friend. You REALLY think he can't pull that same trick on Snyder?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

John Beck? Who the hell is John Beck, Glenn Beck's son? Is Dan Snyder showing his love for the Beck-ster by hiring his son to play quarterback? Snyder seems like the typical Beck follower (rich, white, stupid).

I had to Google John Beck to even find out where he came from. He's 29. Third team in 4 years. Hasn't taken a snap since 2007.

Turns out he's not related to Glenn Beck. Well, that's one positive.

Wasted roster spot.

Posted by: noslok | September 2, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Finally figured out what Brady's gay looking haircut is all about...dude is a big G.I. Joe fan and wanted to look like those gay COBRA twins that finished each other's sentences:

http://www.joeheadquarters.com/charlist_cobra2.shtml#TOMAX

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

noslok, don't rile up the Rupublican bloggers...the LAST thing we need today is any political posts up here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Moe, let's be really man...Edwin Williams was always expendable. Probably had something to do with the fact that he sucks...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 7:37 AM

Edwin Williams didn't even clear waivers. He's a Bear now.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

"I'm with you on Capers though...he's a good size for a guard, just a matter of whether his particular skill set translates to playing inside."

compare:

Casey Rabach: 6' 4" 288 lbs.

Artis Hicks: 6' 4" 314 lbs.

Derrick Dockery: 6' 6" 325 lbs.

Kory Lichtensteiger: 6' 3" 290 lbs.

Selvish Capers: 6' 4" 308 lbs.

Chad Rhinehart: 6' 5" 307 lbs

Wil Montgomery: 6' 3" 307 lbs.

Eric Cook: 6' 6" 318 lbs.

Dockery's the heaviest interior guy.

But all of the younger guys are leaner, and more like the old Broncos' line where athleticism was prized over bulk.

We moaned for years that the redskins had neglected to re-shape and stock the offensive line.

Mike Shanahan and Chris Foerster are re-making it in an image we may not be used to: lighter, agile guys and not Hogs.

Will it work in December in the NFC East?

That's the question whose answer we'll have to wait for.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Again...they could have waited to re-sign him at the end of the season and not had to pay him an extra $2+ million to do it. He's got no leverage and no interest elsewhere. If he were about 4 or 5 years younger I could see them liking him as a "QB of the future" project, but nobody puts that kinda stock in a 29 year-old with a whopping ONE career TD pass.

Still trust the Shanahan/Allen braintrust, but I just don't see what they're seeing here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 7:27 AM

Man, this is a slow day for you. They haven't paid the guy a nickel more than he was going to earn this year. The only way that Beck sees any of the money in 2011 and 2012 is if he beats out Grossman for the #2 QB slot. No money has been "wasted" since they cut the guy if he doesn't develop the way they expect him to.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Edwin Williams didn't even clear waivers. He's a Bear now.

Posted by: beep-beep

Everything I ever read said the guy was a decent player.

Our loss is the bears' gain.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

I got Snyder sacking Shanahan in three years.

Posted by: shamken | September 2, 2010 6:45 AM |

If the Redskins don't make the SB by then, Shanahan is toast.

Posted by: hessone | September 2, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm not going to co-sign, only because I think Allen can reach deep into his bag of tricks to keep Snyder happy, deluded or involved just enough in meaningless ways that will allow this regime to persist four years without a Bowl game.

You just have to hope Shanahan gets lucky with some of his personnel decisions and builds a lasting winner.

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 2, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Everything I ever read said the guy was a decent player.

Our loss is the bears' gain.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

I was surprised he got cut. From what I saw, he looked good in pre-season.

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 2, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Edwin Williams = Marko Mitchell = Marcus Mason

Just because a guy got tossed around for a few starts last year doesn't mean he's a baller. Getting picked up by the Bears means nothing...if you've seen their line, I'm sure no less than 3 RI bloggers could make that team and start at least one game.

Beep, agree to disagree...I just don't see the point of extending and making a 3 year commitment to your 3rd string QB for more money than he's worth. Regardless of whether he sees all $3 million of that deal, he's not worth it. I don't see how you would think otherwise since this guy has ONE TD and 3 picks for his career, but to each his own I guess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Whatever xfinity is I don't want it in or anywhere near my house.

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 2, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

last day of summer yesterday, took the day off of work, took the kids go-karting, and then got some lobster for dinner....did I miss anything....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan and Chris Foerster are re-making it in an image we may not be used to: lighter, agile guys and not Hogs.

Will it work in December in the NFC East?

That's the question whose answer we'll have to wait for.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2010 7:58 AM


I don't see why not...2 of our 3 division foes run a 4-3, featuring smaller DEs that can get run on. Plus, Denver never hurt for rushing yardage in December from what I recall.

The only question I have is whether Dockery can fit into that mold. Dude is a textbook mauler.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Edwin Williams = Marko Mitchell = Marcus Mason

The perfect storm of RI love......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

You know it Greg...I'll never understand the passionate love for guys entrenched at the end of the bench. Just seems like a love destined for heartbreak...not sure why one would want to put themselves through that.

You didn't miss anything...re-signed a 3rd string QB for more money than the backup makes and some up here (myself included) have openly mused about the team making a run at Reggie Wells (who is now on the trading block in AZ). Oh, and Mike Wise is still a preening idiot.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

brown

"I don't see why not...2 of our 3 division foes run a 4-3, featuring smaller DEs that can get run on."


The move to more athletic guys in our division is also necessary as the jints and 'boys have some very good linemen.

The jints have in Tuck, Osi, and a rookie from S Fla. (Jason Pierre-Paul) 3 very, very lean and athletic d-linemen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

last day of summer yesterday, took the day off of work, took the kids go-karting, and then got some lobster for dinner....did I miss anything....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse


Let's see...

Jason LaCanfora said that AH would be deactivated for Week 1

Cork made a brief appearance to piss on LaVar Arrington's career

A hostage situation developed at The Discovery Channel Building in downtown Silver Spring MD, when an eco-terrorist rolled in w/ a handgun. Cops eventually sniped him and no one else was hurt.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Whatever xfinity is I don't want it in or anywhere near my house.

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 2, 2010 8:12 AM

Haha...unfortunately you may already have it pepper...sorry

Posted by: PlayAction | September 2, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Re: Beck Signing

Offensive "gurus" tend to have their pet fetishes/projects, and Kyle Shanny is no different. He likes Beck, he wants Beck, he gets Beck. At 29, the dude is not young, but if the Shannys' mentality is to work with QBs into their late 30's, then Beck very well could be their QB "of the future". Rex is here for a year, then gone.

Re: Edwin Williams

The good things I heard were that he plays with attitude and is a bit of a mauler. Unfortunately for him, the Shanaplan favors linemen with more finesse, athleticism and technique. Good luck to the Terp.

Re: AH

There is no reason to deactivate AH, unless some kind of trade is imminent. Just when AH is starting to behave and practice regularly and get with the program and say the right things in the media, Shanny would be beyond stupid to "send a signal" by deactivating him.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I just don't see the point of extending and making a 3 year commitment to your 3rd string QB for more money than he's worth. Regardless of whether he sees all $3 million of that deal, he's not worth it. I don't see how you would think otherwise since this guy has ONE TD and 3 picks for his career, but to each his own I guess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 8:11 AM

1. They have made no commitment. They have an option. If he's good they own him. If he's not good, they cut him. Commitment would be if the contract were guaranteed.

2. "To each his own?" Your judgment, based on diddly, is that "he's not worth it." The Shanahans, who see him every day in practice, think he is worth it. Gee, that's a tough call. Okay, I'm going with the Shanahans' judgment here, not yours. These guys have a record of making QBs look good: Elway, Schaub, Plummer, and Cutler had their best years under the Shanahans. And, if he's not better than Grossman, then he'll be gone before next year.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

If they plan on moving Capers to Guard then they must be pretty high on Heyer as the backup tackle. Not sure if I like that, although Heyer has played okay this preseason. I just do not see how he can fit into Shannys mold for an olineman.
Maybe they like what they see out of W.Robinson. Either way I stil hate our backup situation for the oline.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 2, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

hostage situation developed at The Discovery Channel Building in downtown Silver Spring MD, when an eco-terrorist rolled in w/ a handgun. Cops eventually sniped him and no one else was hurt.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't call him an eco-terrorist. Would call him a classic nutcase who hated immigrants, among other things.

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 2, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, heard about that Discovery Channel deal...I used to live in Takoma Park not far from there and remember having a job interview literally across the street from that building. Scary sh*t...

The only way AH is out Week 1 is if he gets hurt tonight. Nobody should ever believe anything JLC has to say about the Redskins...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Also Re: Beck

It has been Mike Shanny's tendency to "develop" older QBs. After Elway, he went with Jake PLummer and Brian Griese. Instead of looking to the draft this year, he made the deal for McNabb. Jay Cutler was the only QB I can think of whom he drafted and then quickly handed the keys over to - the exception, not the norm for Shanny.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Cops eventually sniped him and no one else was hurt.

Nice, always glad when the hostage taker gets whats coming...

AH not active for Week 1??...JCL...still grinding that axe...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse


I think you guys sell Shanahan short...I mean, this guy full-on seduced Pat Bowlen into damn near being his best friend. You REALLY think he can't pull that same trick on Snyder?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 7:44 AM |

Maybe, just maybe. I think the world of Shanahan so far, and his coaching style is great. I won't comment on $nyder as you know how I feel about him. I think any coach that takes the reins of this team had better produce a winner in a short period of time (3 year time frame) or they'll be dismissed, but we'll see. Funny how the 3 year thing always seems to pop up when talking about rebuilding a team. HTTR !

Posted by: hessone | September 2, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

John Keim's take on tonight's game. You can't get this sort of stuff in the Post anymore:

Storylines

1. Will Devin do enough? » According to one league source and multiple Redskins sources, Redskins receiver Devin Thomas is definitely on the bubble. That means the former second-round pick must have a good showing against Arizona to land a roster spot. Yes, he’s more talented than many of the other receivers and can help on special teams, but he must show consistency — both in route-running and his hands. He needs to give them a reason to keep him around.

2. Punt return battle » Two rookies are trying to become the Redskins’ primary returner — Brandon Banks and Terrence Austin. Just know that Austin has graded out well as a receiver, which should give him an edge. Banks is more explosive, but he also has fumbled one punt and muffed another. Austin lacks his speed but has good feet and cuts well. It’s possible that neither will make the roster.

3. Pick a back » The Redskins backup running back situation remains in flux as Ryan Torain now gets another chance to emerge as the No. 3. He’s expected to get a lot of action Thursday night. It’s hard to imagine the Redskins keeping both Willie Parker and Larry Johnson as the backups, so the decision could come down between Torain, whom the coaching staff liked in Denver, and Keiland Williams.

Five to watch

CB Justin Tryon
He’s still in a battle with Byron Westbrook and Ramzee Robinson to make the roster. Less than two weeks ago, Westbrook had the edge. But that’s a long time in the preseason, and Tryon still has a shot to remain.

DL Jeremy Jarmon
Another former high pick (third rounder) in danger of being cut. Jarmon, coming off knee surgery, still limps as he runs sprints. He seems an ill fit to play as a 3-4 end. Ideally, the Redskins would trade him for a draft pick.

DL Albert Haynesworth
It sounds as if he indeed will play, making him one of the few regulars who will do so. Haynesworth needs the time, though he is coming off a decent outing. How will he handle playing when others are sitting? Stay tuned.

OL Chad Rinehart
He was supposed to be starting by now (his third season), but instead he might not make the team. Rinehart has spent too much time getting knocked back this summer, clogging passing lanes.

OL Selvish Capers
He’ll play left guard for the first time as the Redskins clearly want to see whether he can do more than play tackle. His play at left tackle has been spotty; he was terrible in the Baltimore game.

State of the teams

CARDINALS » Arizona has its own quarterback issues, with Derek Anderson unseating Matt Leinart. Heavens, what a choice (nightmare?) after having Kurt Warner. The Cardinals, in a weak division, will need a strong running game this year.

REDSKINS » Washington is still trying to figure out its roster, notably receiver, backup offensive linemen and in the secondary. The Redskins mainly just want to stay healthy. They don’t have a lot of depth.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't call him an eco-terrorist.

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 2, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse


Dude rolls into a building with a handgun and "explosives" strapped to his chest.

He takes hostages.

He demands that Discovery Channel change its programming agenda to reflect his personal agenda for environmental preservation/conservation.

If that does not fit the textbook definition of an "eco-terrorist" I wonder what does.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I mean, this guy full-on seduced Pat Bowlen into damn near being his best friend. You REALLY think he can't pull that same trick on Snyder?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 7:44 AM

Seduced? Ha-ha. Two Lombardi trophies are powerful aphrodisiacs, aren't they? If he's got any more of that ju-ju he'll own Snyder. And with good reason.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse


How did smack do yesterday ?

Posted by: hessone | September 2, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"John Keim's take on tonight's game. You can't get this sort of stuff in the Post anymore..." posted by beep-beep

I guess that's true. But why would you want it? Nothing that hasn't been said a dozen times before.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

beep, I don't see why this is chapping your ass...are you his agent? I mean, really...once again getting all enamored with the career backup. This guy hasn't played a real game in 3 years. He's only completed half his passes in preseason this year. He's been here a whopping 20 minutes. All I said is that I don't see why they make this move. Not that it's wrong or right, just that I don't see where it makes sense. If that's screwing up your day, you know what to do...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Selvish Capers To See Some Time At Guard

Yet another good idea--it explains how Edwin Williams became expendable--but I'm wondering if Capers has the upper body strength needed to play inside.

An off season of power lifting added to the frame of a guy with tight end athleticism might make Capers an excellent interior linemen one day.

Too, you have to lilke how the o-line is being shaped: each depth player is able to play either center/guard or guard tackle.

That's how you built an offensive line folks, and it's also the best way to maximize the guys you have.

Athleticism has replaced bulk as a requirement for redskin offensive linemen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2010 7:27 AM |


I was expecting Erik Cook to get some time there as well. Do that C/G thing.

And Ed Williams was cut early so he had a chance to catch on somewhere else - which he apparently did in Chicago. Good for him. I suspect he wasn't the right "type" of lineman for us. I'm looking for the Skins to pick up a cast-off as well.

Maybe that guy is Reggie Wells.

Posted by: edvar | September 2, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

If that does not fit the textbook definition of an "eco-terrorist" I wonder what does.

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2010 8:42 AM

nutcase? eco-terrorist? You're both right. eco-terrorists, modeled after Green "Peace", are a subset of the genre nutcase. All eco-terrorists are nutcases, but not all nutcases are eco-terrorists.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

AH getting some run tonight is entirely consistent with what Shanny has said all along about him needing to develop his conditioning with reps and action.

AH still has not yet started a preseason game.

We'll see him start, play a couple series' and then take his spot on the sideline yucking it up with the other starters.

If AH is smart he'll take it all in stride b/c he knows he's going to be a Week 1 starter at RDE. He'll say the right things after game. He won't screw it up with some petty attitude right as it's about to come together.

If his teammates are smart, they'll be really encouraging toward him during and after the game and let him know he's back in the fold.

If Shanny is smart he'll find a nice thing or 2 to say about AH, while also noting that his play/production has been tied to some consistently solid practices, thus praising him while simultaneously reminding him that his big arse needs to keep practicing.

If

Posted by: p1funk | September 2, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

edvar, you just gave me an idea...offer up Dockery to the Cards straight up for Wells. He's a more athletic G that would fit here, and Dock is the mauler type that Russ Grimm would love having to rotate with Faneca. Sounds good in theory, but I wonder if they'd go for it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I mean, this guy full-on seduced Pat Bowlen into damn near being his best friend. You REALLY think he can't pull that same trick on Snyder?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 7:44 AM

Seduced? Ha-ha. Two Lombardi trophies are powerful aphrodisiacs, aren't they? If he's got any more of that ju-ju he'll own Snyder. And with good reason.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 8:46 AM

If Shanny brings Danny a trophy...then he gets an Ovie-like extension

Posted by: PlayAction | September 2, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

All I said is that I don't see why they make this move. Not that it's wrong or right, just that I don't see where it makes sense. If that's screwing up your day, you know what to do...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 8:49 AM

All I'm doing is trying to explain to you why they made the move and why it was a good one. Not screwing up my day, but you don't seem to be able to let it drop.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse


brown + beep-beep = beating a dead horse

Posted by: hessone | September 2, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

hostage situation developed at The Discovery Channel Building in downtown

And in what was an obviously unreported copycat act, Swiper of Dora the Explorer fame held the Wonder Pets hostage up until the sharp shooting Squidward took him with a bullet shot from his sniper's position behind the cash register at the Krusty Krab.

What confounded authorities is that even though the other characters know who he is, Swiper continues to wear a mask to make himself unidentifiable.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Agree to disagree beep...if things go according to plan with McNabb, Beck won't be playing anyway...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

edvar, you just gave me an idea...offer up Dockery to the Cards straight up for Wells. He's a more athletic G that would fit here, and Dock is the mauler type that Russ Grimm would love having to rotate with Faneca. Sounds good in theory, but I wonder if they'd go for it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 8:56 AM

Interesting. I think I'd like to maybe keep Dock and get Wells another way. I haven't heard any complaints out of camp about Dock - which surprises me a little because, like you, I'm not convinced he's a perfect fit for this O line.

Posted by: edvar | September 2, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

brown + beep-beep = beating a dead horse

Posted by: hessone | September 2, 2010 9:01 AM

An astute observation from the mother of all dead horses:

hessone + $nyder = eating the meat of a beaten dead horse

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse


brown, with the OTA's, mini-camps, and training camp under his belt, I don't see Dockery going to the Cards for Wells. At least not this close to the start of the regular season.

Posted by: hessone | September 2, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

"Dude rolls into a building with a handgun and "explosives" strapped to his chest.He takes hostages.He demands that Discovery Channel change its programming agenda to reflect his personal agenda for environmental preservation/conservation.
If that does not fit the textbook definition of an "eco-terrorist" I wonder what does.Posted by: p1funk"

There isn't really a 'textbook definition', just an FBI-approved one. The term itself was supposedly invented by one Ron Arnold, an advocate for free enterprise, property rights, and small government (see: Libertarian).

More interesting is the guy's distortion of the ideas of Daniel Quinn, a novelist (hint: never, ever, take your political philosophy from a novel, no matter how much you enjoyed it) (that means you, Alan Greenspan) who vehemently rejects the label 'environmentalist' but in fact talks a lot about population control and mankind's dissociation from the natural world.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Agree to disagree, brownwood. If things go according to plan with Beck, Grossman won't be playing....

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

ROFLMAO Moe...that's friggin' great. My daughter loves Dora The Explorer and I've often wondered why Swiper wears a mask. He's the only fox on the whole damn show...

This is why I can't watch kid's shows...I shout at the TV for The Grumpy Old Troll to take a bite outta Swiper's tail like I'm watching a Steven Segal flick...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 9:07 AM |

I'm not going there with you and you're not going there with me. Later days.


Posted by: hessone | September 2, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to classify yesterday's antagonist as a Self-Hating Genocidal Fascist.

His objective wasn't as much eco as annihilative. I'm pretty sure that's not a word, but it should be.

What's regrettable is that this guy had been on this precipice for so long and no one ever had him comitted. Obviously he was one crazy SJK.

Imagine how bad it could have been. We're all very lucky. The place is still cordoned off, though, as they search for any leftover devices, I guess.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

"Rich Campbell of the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star says Beck signed the deal last week."

Please note that Rich Campbell appears to have an accurate source inside the Skins organization. Maybe bribed somebody using that enormous Free Lance-Star budget...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"If things go according to plan with Beck, Grossman won't be playing..."


Folks, John Beck is a high pick the dolphins let go of after seeing him play because he's strictly garbage.

Don't let him become the new Colt Brennen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"Rich Campbell of the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star says Beck signed the deal last week."
Please note that Rich Campbell appears to have an accurate source inside the Skins organization. Maybe bribed somebody using that enormous Free Lance-Star budget...
Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2010 9:12 AM

Isn’t that they guy who did the early summer article on Haynesworth, that went against everything the Post was saying? He was the only guy saying that Albert was working out and losing weight and planned to report to camp in shape……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 2, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I haven't heard any complaints out of camp about Dock - which surprises me a little because, like you, I'm not convinced he's a perfect fit for this O line.

Posted by: edvar | September 2, 2010 9:07 AM


I haven't heard any praise, either. To me, silence on Dockery is deafening since he doesn't appear to fit this system anyway. I think they'll play him because they don't have a better option, but I'm still pretty anxious to upgrade the interior of the line. I'd love to see us add Wells.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

We will need to keep 3 qbs this year. Dmac will miss time due to injury and Rex may be questionable in relief.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 2, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Folks, John Beck is a high pick the dolphins let go of after seeing him play because he's strictly garbage.

Don't let him become the new Colt Brennen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2010 9:13 AM

You're not paying attention. The idea is for him to become the new Rex Grossman. He's not in Colt's league. And he may not be in Rex's league -- despite the fact that the Shanahan's think he is.

And if anyone knows garbage when they see it .... RI! Didn't the Dolphins let Wes Welker go, too?

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse


We will need to keep 3 qbs this year. Dmac will miss time due to injury and Rex may be questionable in relief.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 2, 2010 9:20 AM |

Stu, your analysis is impeccable.

Posted by: hessone | September 2, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Welker went for a 2nd rounder to the pats...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Folks, John Beck is a high pick the dolphins let go of after seeing him play because he's strictly garbage.

Don't let him become the new Colt Brennen.


Posted by: MistaMoe | September 2, 2010 9:13 AM


Too late...beeps has this guy starting within 5 years and thinks a 3rd stringer is worth 3 years, $3 million. Another "irrestible" backup to fall in love with...

I'd rather talk AH and JC all over again than debate John f-ing Beck. At least AH and JC are starters...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Rex do ok last time?

Let's face it - the last real measurement we have of Rex was in Chi-Towne and it's not like Cutler is shining up there.

He's not our true starter. The target is too easy. Find another one.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I haven't heard any praise, either. To me, silence on Dockery is deafening since he doesn't appear to fit this system anyway. I think they'll play him because they don't have a better option, but I'm still pretty anxious to upgrade the interior of the line. I'd love to see us add Wells.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 9:18 AM

Yup.

Posted by: edvar | September 2, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Rich Tandler's ranking of the most productive/valuable Redskins. Interesting reading -- another journalist who takes the time to evaluate the players. Guy could never work for the Post:

http://www.csnwashington.com/09/01/10/Tandler-Ranking-The-Redskins-16-30/landing_v3.html?blockID=302403&feedID=272

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

SIGN JOHN BECK!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 2, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse


Too late...beeps has this guy starting within 5 years and thinks a 3rd stringer is worth 3 years, $3 million.

Oh no, not again.

Posted by: hessone | September 2, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Too late...beeps has this guy starting within 5 years and thinks a 3rd stringer is worth 3 years, $3 million. Another "irrestible" backup to fall in love with...

I'd rather talk AH and JC all over again than debate John f-ing Beck. At least AH and JC are starters...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 9:26 AM

First you say "agree to disagree" then you bring it right back up again. Typical. And where did I say any of the stuff that you attribute to me? Lying again, aren't you? Typical.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

lmao@HAZE

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Heading straight out to pick up my Beck jersey after work

Posted by: PlayAction | September 2, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

This is ri-phuking-diculous. John Beck? I don't care.

I need McNabb updates.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 2, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Any other geetar guys (gals?) out there on this blog? I'm listening to some Steve Tibbetts... hadn't listened to that in ages.

Great shti.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Fortunately, beep, I wasn't talking to you. I'm not sure if word got back to you on this, but you're not being paid to be Beck's public defender...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure if word got back to you on this, but you're not being paid to be Beck's public defender...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 9:48 AM

That's good brownwood, because if you'd actually read what I wrote instead of just making sh!t up then you'd have seen that I haven't offered any defense of Beck. I'm agnostic on the guy. What I have been defending is Shanahan and Allen who extended his contract.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I would say that the guy at Disc Channel's beliefs went far beyond a radical extreme of environmentalism. He was also extremity anti-immigrant, anti-american empire and what have you.

If you read his manifesto, and I had actually seen it years ago when he was first publishing it in the paper. The dude was warping legitimate ideas in the cozy blanket of crazy.

I mean most the world would agrees that we are overpopulated, believe in global warming. Its just you don't see anyone wanting to commit a genocide to solve the problems.

Just like I think those in the US want lower taxes don't agree with the nut who flew a plane into the tax building in Texas a year ago, remember that he killed 3 people and himself.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 2, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Boom. Roasted:

Rex Ryan to DeAngelo Hall: "That's why my brother got rid of your ass"
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 2, 2010 9:38 AM ET
Rex Ryan's trash talk to the media isn't half as fun as the real stuff on the field.

Last night's Hard Knocks showed Ryan berating Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall after a late hit on LaDainian Tomlinson after a long run. Ryan tells Hall he should have made the play around the line of scrimmage.

"You aren't gonna tackle anybody!" Ryan said. "That's why my brother got rid of your ass!"

(Rob Ryan was Hall's defensive coordinator in Oakland.)

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Not sure if this has already been discussed...but anyone else wondering why we are traveling west coast for a preseason game? I don't remember the last time...if ever...I had to deal with a 10pm skins preseason game.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 2, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

The NFL is all about who you know:

Bears boost O-line, claim E. Williams off waivers
September 1, 2010 6:24 PM | 8 Comments
By Brad Biggs

The Bears have allowed 16 sacks through three preseason games, more than in any entire preseason over the last 10 years, and on Wednesday they made a move to bring in some help.

The team claimed Edwin Williams off waivers from the Washington Redskins today. To make room Williams on the 75-man roster, running back Brandon Minor was released.

Williams was an undrafted free agent from Maryland in 2009. Massive injuries on the line in Washington forced him into action and he appeared in four games and started two games at right guard. Although he primarily played guard for the Redskins in games, he practiced more at center for them.

The 6-3, 313-pounder started the final 49 games of his college career for the Terrapins with the final 39 starts coming at center. Offensive line coach Mike Tice and pro scout Dennard Wilson both played at Maryland. Williams and Wilson both attended DeMatha High School in Hyattsville, Md.

Williams will not play Thursday in the preseason finale at Cleveland. If the Bears really like him, they could keep him on the 53-man roster. But a source said it is more likely they are hoping to pass him on to the practice squad. Last year, the Bears kept eight offensive linemen on the 53-man roster. Right now, Josh Beekman is the backup center to Olin Kreutz.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

yeh - I can't think of a better way to submarine a movement (hmmmmm....)

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 2, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Rex Ryan to DeAngelo Hall: "That's why my brother got rid of your ass"
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 2, 2010 9:38 AM ET
Rex Ryan's trash talk to the media isn't half as fun as the real stuff on the field.

Last night's Hard Knocks showed Ryan berating Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall after a late hit on LaDainian Tomlinson after a long run. Ryan tells Hall he should have made the play around the line of scrimmage.

"You aren't gonna tackle anybody!" Ryan said. "That's why my brother got rid of your ass!"

(Rob Ryan was Hall's defensive coordinator in Oakland.)

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I think DeAngelo got the last laugh on Peter Griffin when he intercepted his QB and took it back 36 yards.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 2, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"You aren't gonna tackle anybody!" Ryan said. "That's why my brother got rid of your ass!"

(Rob Ryan was Hall's defensive coordinator in Oakland.)

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 9:58 AM

Wikipedia says that Rob Ryan was the linebackers coach in Oakland. Who do you trust? PFT or Wikipedia? Personally, I only believe BeantownGreg.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Boom. Roasted:

..................

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 9:58 AM


But didn't he get an INT that game?????

Wow....Just Wow...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 2, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

ih8, yeah, no kidding....not to mention that the Jets lost the game....and that their offense sucks....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Just saw on TV that Beantown's gonna get a big blow job on Saturday morning from a guy named Earl!

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Heartfelt thank you to Rex Ryans brother. I will be very surprised if Dhall doesnt have a pick six this year.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 2, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Rex Ryan’s brother cut Hall because of plays like late hits out of bounds. We all know that Ryan family tree and how they stress clean play within the rules.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 2, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

in discussing mcnabb's contract extension, some have suggested we're waiting to see how he does, or if he recovers after taking a pounding and so forth. i'm not sure any of those things are why we haven't extended his contract.

isn't there some rule about not renegotiating a contract w/in one year of its last renegotiation? didn't he renegotiate last year? does anyone know when that happened, and therefore when we're able to extend his contract?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | September 2, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

om. Roasted:

..................

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 9:58 AM


But didn't he get an INT that game?????

Wow....Just Wow...

Posted by: 4thFloor


Exactly! Dude got the last laugh on a pick. So how exactly was he "boom" and "roasted"?


I swear some of you wear you hate on your sleeves so hard for players that sh*t starts to look like a third arm.

Haynesworth, Hall, Portis.... NOW THAT is the perfect RI storm. Guaranteed to stir up all the lame ass jokes and hate.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 2, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I mean, the pick aside, the Jets lost the game...they had to leave their 1's on offense in there against the 3rd's on Defense so they could score a touchdown...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 2, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

in discussing mcnabb's contract extension, some have suggested we're waiting to see how he does, or if he recovers after taking a pounding and so forth. i'm not sure any of those things are why we haven't extended his contract.

isn't there some rule about not renegotiating a contract w/in one year of its last renegotiation? didn't he renegotiate last year? does anyone know when that happened, and therefore when we're able to extend his contract?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | September 2, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

They could also be waiting to see what happens with P. Manning and T. Brady's contracts.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | September 2, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

ih8, yeah, no kidding....not to mention that the Jets lost the game....and that their offense sucks....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1
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Hey, their offense doesn't suck, it's all about having fun. You saw what they did when they started having fun! Man, Braylon told me I looked fatter than Rex, then we went and scored, it's an easy game when you have fun! We need more jokes! Who cares if it was against their third string?

That really was comical, their acting as if the vaunted Jet offense looked respectable. Mike Tannenbaum congratulating himself on his playoff roster in August. Woody chiming in on special teams personnel. Cheeseburgers before practice, and separate set of rules for Maserati Boy showing up late--twice. Also love Rex blaming the outcome on the backups again, that man is delusional.

They should have showed their Pro Bowl kicker's extra point too.

Posted by: AdamCr | September 2, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

4th, I made the "Boom. Roasted." comment in jest...everyone knows that with DHall you get the good with the bad. He'll blow a couple tackles a game, but you can pencil him in for at least 5 picks a year. I can live with that, especially when we have a guy with salad tongs for hands on the other side of him...

Walter, you're right...you can't renegotiate a contract within a year of signing it. That aspect of the McNabb situation (if it even is a "situation") is very seldom talked about.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 2, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure McNabb signed it last offseason, before training camp. The two sides should be able to negotiate at this point.

Posted by: psps23 | September 2, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Yes I remember hearing McNabb could renegotiate after July.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 2, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

You read it here last

beep beep

Posted by: beep-beep | September 2, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Selvish is more like 6' 5" and has excellent footwork/agility. A buddy of mine that is both a Skins and WVU fan told me about him leading up to the draft and how he hoped we'd get him. Subsequent research indicated that he was projected to be a mid round pick until a disappointing combine. I'd rather take a kid's body of work for 3-4 years over one weekend getting prodded and jumping thru hoops.

My prediciton - Selvish will be starting somewhere on this O-line by 2012.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 2, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

isn't there some rule about not renegotiating a contract w/in one year of its last renegotiation? didn't he renegotiate last year? does anyone know when that happened, and therefore when we're able to extend his contract?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | September 2, 2010 10:28 AM

He did his current deal in June '09, so we're clear to sign him at any time.

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 2, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Rich Tandler's ranking of the most productive/valuable Redskins. Interesting reading -- another journalist who takes the time to evaluate the players. Guy could never work for the Post:Posted by: beep-beep"

LOL no, I suppose the Post wouldn't free up column space for an article like that one...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"Rich Tandler's ranking of the most productive/valuable Redskins. Interesting reading -- another journalist who takes the time to evaluate the players. Guy could never work for the Post:Posted by: beep-beep"

LOL no, I suppose the Post wouldn't free up column space for an article like that one...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Here's Tandler's intro to his 'article' --

"Here is my annual unscientific ranking of the top-contributing players on the Washington Redskins....The rankings are purely subjective and they reflect my view of the players who are likely to stay on the field and be productive week after week, and those who are less likely to do so."

I'd describe that as one step above a fan post on RI, except it probably isn't.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

" He was the only guy saying that Albert was working out and losing weight and planned to report to camp in shape……Posted by: dlhaze1"

So he was only wrong about the working, losing weight, and planning to report in shape part...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 2, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

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