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Quick Update

Back from a mini vacation of sorts, or at least a day. Anyway, the Skins redid Chris Samuels's contract the other day after doing Jansen's as well - combined the deals created $6.3 million in cap space, so the Skins are roughly $3 million under and still have 3-4 other contracts they could rework to create more room.

Briefly, I expect the Skins to continue to pursue several trade options with the free agent market limited. I'll post on that later in the week. They have interest in several players who are being floated.

Also, heard from league sources that the Redskins have made major changes to their medical staff. Ray Thal, the longtime surgeon, is no longer with the club, and was not with the team at the combine, sources said. The Skins are looking for a new orthopedic specialist and were working as usual with James Andrews, who is on the sidelines at Skins games, to land a new local surgeon.

As I wrote about in a story outlining the offseason about 2-3 weeks ago, the Redskins will also make official soon the creation of a new segment of their medical team specifically for rehab, with a focus on the kind of muscle injuries that plagued them last season. They will make hires in that regard as well.

I'm on Washington Post Live on Comcast as well, from 5-6, so email in any questions.

Good to be back.
Cheers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 26, 2008; 2:26 PM ET
 
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Comments

WTF took so long!!

My Boycott is now over!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I guess # million means 3 million?

Posted by: sams3 | February 26, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Reposting from other thread:

While we are talking about working for The Owner I thought I'd ask about the "worst job you ever heard of" :-).

Some years before we met Mrs Redcoat worked in a food plant out near where Dorf is. Although she didn't work out in the plant, her position required her to have a good understanding of the various jobs performed around the plant, one of which was "Tom Milker"

Take a look at this link and scroll down to the bench and read the accompanying text.

http://www.internationalai.com/aicatalog/aicatalog.pdf

Would you want to tell the hot girl you just met that this is what you do for a living?

And from what I understand, it doesn't even pay that well!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 02:37 PM

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

God. More bad news. Trading picks for other people's problems. Does Brandon Lloyd ring a bell?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Does CP ring a bell?

Posted by: sams3 | February 26, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Does Bobby Mitchell ring a bell?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey, gang! Yes, we're back and at least one of us is overcaffeinated. That indeed did mean $3 million. I made a few fixes to the original post. The march to 200k begins in earnest! (We're at 169,069.)

Posted by: TheCindy | February 26, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

How about Sonny Jurgenson? How did that work out?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Good to have you back Cyn Cyty

Posted by: jm220 | February 26, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Those poor turkeys!!

Posted by: Markin21132 | February 26, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Au contraire Mark, I think the turkeys rather enjoy it...

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"Breifly, I expect the Skins to continue to pursue several trade options with the free agent market limited. I'll post on that later in the week. They have interest in several players who are being floated."

What the Redskins really need to do is hire a skilled negotiator and take the trading function away from Vinny. He's like an American tourist at a Tiajuana flea market.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Count me in among the people not wanting the team to make any trades. The Redskins have come out for the better on some, and have done not so well on some, I'm not going to debate either way. I'd just rather they KEPT all of the current draft picks they have, made GREAT use of those picks, and started to value the draft.

Welcome back Jason, thanks for the post...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"Although she didn't work out in the plant, her position required her to have a good understanding of the various jobs performed around the plant, one of which was "Tom Milker""

The Denver Broncos have a similar staff position. It's called a "Vinny Milker".

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

It's called being smaht. Smaht trades make you look genius.

Other players aquired via sacrificing assets:

-Santana-nanna
-Randy Thomas

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Does Earnest Byner ring a bell?

How about Jay Schroeder for Jim Lachey?

The Brandon Lloyd trade is the only one tha sticks out as one of the worse, if not, the worst.

The CP trade has worked out for us. I bet most of the teams in the NFL would love to have a RB that averages at least 1300 yards a season.

Posted by: ptoro | February 26, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Nice perpetual editing, TheCindy.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

God. More bad news. Trading picks for other people's problems. Does Brandon Lloyd ring a bell?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 02:39 PM

-------------------------------------------

who said anything about trading PICKS?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 26, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The Brandon Lloyd trade is the only one tha sticks out as one of the worse, if not, the worst.

Posted by: ptoro | February 26, 2008 02:52 PM

How soon TJ Duckett is forgotten! It's as if he were never in DC....

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I have this feeling (no clue why) that the "rehab" project will have a "whack-a-mole" affect. As soon as the hammy and groin issues are taken care of, I foresee a plague of turf toes and "sports hernias" popping up.

Just in case I didn't bunny ear enough things:

"SHABINGUS"

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I nominate Mark Madden (Reston, Va.) as new team surgeon for the Redskins.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

who said anything about trading PICKS?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 26, 2008 02:54 PM

Picks are all we've got to trade unless you're thinking of Cooley or Betts. Everyone else carried too big of a cap hit.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

effect

dang it

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Worst job...Avian vomitologist

Best-sounding worst job...Chick sexer

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 26, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

How soon TJ Duckett is forgotten! It's as if he were never in DC....

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 02:54 PM


My bad. Thats a good point. I think Duckett was more of a knee jerk reaction than the Skins simply wanting him. But you're right, it was a bad trade in terms of what we got in return (nothing).

Posted by: ptoro | February 26, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Why does everyone claim the players on the team have too much of a cap hit? Almost none of them are on the list of top paid for their position. Yet The skins make the playoffs 2 out of 3 years. Someone on the team has to be good. To me that means that good players are being paid what they deserve. (Barring a few mistakes)

Posted by: sams3 | February 26, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Picks are all we've got to trade unless you're thinking of Cooley or Betts. Everyone else carried too big of a cap hit.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 02:56 PM

Unless they're being cut anyway. C'mon Blloyd, this is your chance to finally produce for the skins...

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Not bad SMACK. Here are some more tasks for the good people in 'evisceration'....

Rehang: Hangs carcasses back for further processing down line.
Opener (Vent Opener): Manually cuts open the bird.
Neck Breaker: Cuts the neck.
Oil Sack Cutter: Cuts and removes the oil sack.
Arranger: Arranges viscera for USDA inspector.
Giblet Harvester: Separates giblets and viscera.
Gizzard Harvester: Removes the gizzard.
Task 8: Gizzard Table Operator: Manually trims and cleans gizzards.
Gizzard Table-Peeler Operator: Moves the gizzard over rollers to remove the skin.
Heart and Liver Cutter/Inspector: Cuts and inspects hearts and livers.
Bagger: Places hearts, livers, gizzards and paws into bags.
Lung Vacuumer: Removes lungs and kidneys.
Backup Eviscerator: Verifies that carcass is eviscerated.

Sounds like a laugh-a-minute sort of job... Although "Arranges viscera for USDA inspector" at least sounds like it would exercise one's creative side!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Why does everyone claim the players on the team have too much of a cap hit? Almost none of them are on the list of top paid for their position. Yet The skins make the playoffs 2 out of 3 years. Someone on the team has to be good. To me that means that good players are being paid what they deserve. (Barring a few mistakes)

Posted by: sams3 | February 26, 2008 03:01 PM

Because all these contracts they redo every year they are converting salary into bonuses for accounting purposes of spreading that money over the life of the contract. Cutting or trading these players creates salary cap hits and an awful lot of problems.

Posted by: cdubb | February 26, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd has the tools, I really hope he gets a chance to get out there and play some ball.

Posted by: sams3 | February 26, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

sams,

By constantly converting salaries into bonuses, the Redskins push potential cap problems into the future. Those players essentially become "untradeable" because the dead cap hits become massive. It was noted last week that the dead cap hit to cut or trade away Randy Thomas was something like $18 million. WTF?!?!? The problem is that dead cap hit can't be renegotiated. Once a salary is converted to a bonus, the team is stuck with it - either pay it out over the life of the contract or take a dead cap hit.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Jeez Redcoat. Doesn't Tom at least get some porn and a pack of smokes?

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | February 26, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

sams--

They are big cap hits because so much of their salary has been converted into bonuses that are pro-rated over the life of the contract. If you cut or trade them, you have to take all the bonus against the cap immediately, instead of spreading it out over the remaining years of the contract.

I don't have any numbers to put up, but it can cost more against this year's cap than keeping them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Don't know mtn. Maybe they could attach some sort of magazine rack to the table shown in the link.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

4th Floor--

Bobby Mitchell? Sonny Jurgenson? These are exactly the types of trades that this front office would go for, assuming they can't sign them as free agents.

Get real, dude. We're talking about Brandon Lloyd and TJ Duckett.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

could people please stop saying things like, "Lloyd just needs a chance..." Uhhh, what else do you think he's had the past two years he's been here? he's had a chance and one he hasn't taken advantage of. If he couldnt perform for Gibbs, he's not going to perform for Zorn.

Also, I think we would more likely trade Betts than a Draft pick. Trading Betts would allow us to keep Rock (since he wants to be a primary backup) and Rock is far more valuable to this team as a KR than Betts is to us as a backup RB.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 26, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many of our draft picks Vinny has already offered to the Bengals for Chad Johnson? Probably the 1st round pick in both 2008 and 2009 in exchange for Chad Johnson and the rights to Justin Smith (which expire on Thursday, unfortunately).

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, guys. It's nice to be back.

Posted by: TheCindy | February 26, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I forgot:

F Vinny and his Fantasy Football Pal.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The Tom Milker. I can see the new Peyton Manning commercial now. "Milk that Tom... Milk that Tom."

Posted by: 4-12 | February 26, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Because all these contracts they redo every year they are converting salary into bonuses for accounting purposes of spreading that money over the life of the contract. Cutting or trading these players creates salary cap hits and an awful lot of problems.
Posted by: cdubb | February 26, 2008 03:06 PM

sams,
By constantly converting salaries into bonuses, the Redskins push potential cap problems into the future. Those players essentially become "untradeable" because the dead cap hits become massive. It was noted last week that the dead cap hit to cut or trade away Randy Thomas was something like $18 million. WTF?!?!? The problem is that dead cap hit can't be renegotiated. Once a salary is converted to a bonus, the team is stuck with it - either pay it out over the life of the contract or take a dead cap hit.
Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 03:09 PM

So the SJK What? I don't understand why you guys consistently jump on them about there cap problems.

Maybe it's because I am in accounting, but this cap process makes complete sense to keep pushing your #s to the future. The only time we had problems with dead cap space in the Snyder era was when we got rid of Coles. And that was on Gibbs, not the owner.

I for one am happy they are spending.

Also, the owners will soon break up the current CBA agreement which means 2010 will be an uncapped year.

That means once we get to 2010, we can dump all the future cap consequences into that uncapped year and will be on or above even footing with all NFL teams after that.

Maybe e can have a Cap tutorial one day.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

4th Floor- Bobby Mitchell? Sonny Jurgenson? These are exactly the types of trades that this front office would go for, assuming they can't sign them as free agents.

Get real, dude. We're talking about Brandon Lloyd and TJ Duckett.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 03:13 PM

Look, we've missed on a couple, and we've hit on a couple. We gave up a 1st rounder for Laverneus Coles, then gave up Coles for Santana Moss. I would take the production of Coles and Moss combined for that 1st round pick any day.

Again, it all comes down to evaluation, much like the draft. You win some, you lose some. In the end, it's the team that does the best job of evaluating talent that ends up in the best position, regardless of whether they go about it through the draft, FA, or trades.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The families of many hot dog peddlars are rejoicing this afternoon!

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Rock is far more valuable to this team as a KR than Betts is to us as a backup RB.

um.....until Portis goes down with an injury, and you realize that Rock can't carry the load as a RB, and then you're screwed.

I don't get the love affair that some people have with Rock. He's a good kick returner. Not much more.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

sams,

By constantly converting salaries into bonuses, the Redskins push potential cap problems into the future. Those players essentially become "untradeable" because the dead cap hits become massive. It was noted last week that the dead cap hit to cut or trade away Randy Thomas was something like $18 million. WTF?!?!? The problem is that dead cap hit can't be renegotiated. Once a salary is converted to a bonus, the team is stuck with it - either pay it out over the life of the contract or take a dead cap hit.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 03:09 PM

I understand what you are saying but the skins have been doing this more or less since snyder bought the team. PLayers have come and gone since then and I have never seen the ramifications of this practice. The skins never loose anyone while other teams constantly have cap casualites.

Posted by: sams3 | February 26, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Sorry TE, I was being to Extreme on that one.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Also, the owners will soon break up the current CBA agreement which means 2010 will be an uncapped year.

That means once we get to 2010, we can dump all the future cap consequences into that uncapped year and will be on or above even footing with all NFL teams after that.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 03:22 PM

And if they don't? You'll be paying several of hte current players $3-5M a year for some years after they've retired...

Agreed 4th that breaking the CBA allows the Skins to 'bury the cap skeletons in their closet' but...

no other team needs to do that, yet several other teams have been way more successful than the Skins since they started this approach.

So, where is the 'smarts' in what they're doing? It's not made them any more competitive as a team, just more expensive.

If it were just about smart accounting then hats off to them, but it was supposed to be about using smart accounting to assemble a winning team that they couldn't have afforded otehrwise!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

greg - that's true, but Betts is only valuable to the skins IF portis goes down. If not, he doesn't really add much (he adds very little in fact, because he's not good with the 5-10 carry per game role). If Portis still scares you with health issues, then Betts is still very valuable. If you believe Portis to be past that, then Betts would probably add more value to the team by using him as a trading asset.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

psp, I disagree with this. Look at Portis in his Denver years. He was around the 275 carry mark for the 2 years he was there. That number of carries is roughly 100 less than he had this past year. If you put Betts in the game, he's an effective runner, and a very effective receiver out of the backfield. Rock is neither of those things.

Again, right now, RB is a position of strength on the Redskins. Trading Betts would at MOST get a 4th round pick, so what you do by making this trade is gain a 4th round pick, which you now have to spend on an unproven RB to replace Betts. It just makes no sense.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

psps23--

No, the problem with trading picks for veterans is that you end up with too many high-priced players. You really need to hold on to the picks and bring in players at lower salary levels and develop them to replace the higher priced players.

In the case you cited -- a #1 for Coles, then Moss, there was a lot of dead cap money when we made the second trade. Who did the Jets take with that pick, and how did he work out?

Now, I'm not saying the 'Skins model of high priced veteran free agents can't work, but it hasn't worked yet, and I can't think of another team that has made it work.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse


Name Reps
Milker, Tom 23,679

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

ta, the Jets used the pick we gave them, as well as their own first round pick to move up to select Dewayne Robertson, out of Kentucky. He is a marginal player for being picked as high as he was.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Name Reps
Milker, Tom 23,679

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2008 03:39 PM

Uh, maybe I haven't been paying attention. If this is the answer, what was the question?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Name Reps
Milker, Tom 23,679

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2008 03:39 PM Was that on the right or left-handed table Nate?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Uh, maybe I haven't been paying attention. If this is the answer, what was the question?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 03:42 PM

t_e, take a look at this link and scroll down to the 'bench' and read the accompanying text.

http://www.internationalai.com/aicatalog/aicatalog.pdf

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

If Portis still scares you with health issues...

All RB's scare me with health issues. Just saying thats's all.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 26, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

What if the Skins trade Betts and their #1 to Atlanta for DeAngelo Hall the Atlanta's second second round pick (pick 39)

Posted by: mdvj | February 26, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

Is this still Redskin Insider? Or are we doing Redskin Inside Her route today? 23,679 repos on the milker would give new meaning to red skin.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

So, where is the 'smarts' in what they're doing? It's not made them any more competitive as a team, just more expensive.
If it were just about smart accounting then hats off to them, but it was supposed to be about using smart accounting to assemble a winning team that they couldn't have afforded otehrwise!
Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 03:29 PM

Well, there are different ways you can get to the end. No one way is correct. I have no problem with what they are doing accounting wise.

We have/had a lot of experienced players come through here, but we can never stay consistant with the coaching staff witch I think is the bigger issue. Once we get continuity on the coaching side, we will be a successful team.

I too also highly doubt that the current CBA won't be broke, but if it is, you better watch out for us. Just imagine Danny with no salary cap.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Just jibbaing and jabbaing t_e. I went off on a tangent about "worst jobs" when nobody was interested in the position with the Redskins in the previous thread.

Agree with you though; that many reps would get you called "little red riding hood". What were you thinking Nate?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

As I have said many many times and totally agree with PSP, it's all about the evaluation of talent, the who they choose, not how much we pay.....it all starts with something to build around QB/coach read (stability).... the teams that underspend i also argue, many evaluate talent poorly.....the magic formula is to find a QB, then and only then do you really have a chance ....from there you still have to get most of your player decisions right, the so called smart organizations all have the most important position locked up the next 10 years....just look at the colts pre manning or the pats pre brady or the pack pre favre or our man redcoats dolphins post marino...all had or have had the ocassional good year or so without, but sustained goodness or greatness comes with having the QB which leads to stability....you guys know, say it with me......

Posted by: Oldschool | February 26, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

md, if the Skins do that, then they're stupid. What is Halls salary? I'm guessing it would be more than both Betts, and the pick we take at 21. So what you're doing ONCE AGAIN, is weakening the team. There was no forward progress made in that deal.

On the other side of the coin, if the Redskins make NO TRADES, and pick a starting DE at #21, a starting G with their second round pick, and a starting WR with their 3rd round pick, they're MUCH BETTER OFF....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, that is an awesome PDF.

I'm at a coffee shop and was chatting with a total hottie when I clicked on the link. Before I knew it, the words "Semen Agitator" were on my screen and I had to explain myself.

So, do you think I explained that I'm obsessed with this blog or do you think I went into a discourse on "Semen Agitation"? What would be the worse scenario when trying to pick up a chick?

Posted by: PDiddy | February 26, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Favorite Bumper Sticker:

My Border Collie is smarter than your honor student.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 02:19 PM

Yeah, but my honor student doesn't greet other honor students by sniffing their butts.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but my honor student doesn't greet other honor students by sniffing their butts.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2008 03:57 PM

That's what makes the border collie smarter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I too also highly doubt that the current CBA won't be broke, but if it is, you better watch out for us. Just imagine Danny with no salary cap.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 03:51 PM

Seen it before 4th, only then the owner's name was "Roman Abramovich". He single-handedly distorted the globally soccer transfer market and only actually bought two EPL titles before the team started to go over the top. Of course he could run at a loss forever as he truly 'owns' the team, The Owner has debt to service and banker's to keep happy.

The NFL is committed to 'parity' as a way of keeping it viable and profitable for every franchise. If they go 'uncapped' The Owner and Jerry Jones will drive the market price of every good player through the roof and turn and that would destroy the league in 3-5 years tops.

I'm sure the NFL owner's don't like the CBA much but if you'll forgive the pun "Turkeys don't vote for Christmas".

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Semen agitating? Is that like taunting sailors?

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I too also highly doubt that the current CBA won't be broke, but if it is, you better watch out for us. Just imagine Danny with no salary cap.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 03:51 PM

We'd drop all our bonus money to that year and pay it all. No more cap problems, but not much monetary incentive to play hard. Then we would snatch up every big name person in the FA market and put ourselves right back in the same position we're in when a new cap comes down.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Man, I actually have work to do today and I miss a new post.

Isht!

Oh well.

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | February 26, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

md, if the Skins do that, then they're stupid. What is Halls salary? I'm guessing it would be more than both Betts, and the pick we take at 21. So what you're doing ONCE AGAIN, is weakening the team. There was no forward progress made in that deal.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 03:56 PM

He's asking for something akin to what Samuel is asking. $10+ per year. Yeah right!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

If anyone were strapped to a table like that for 'milking' it would be no surprise if their semen was agitated.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

t_e, take a look at this link and scroll down to the 'bench' and read the accompanying text.

http://www.internationalai.com/aicatalog/aicatalog.pdf

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 03:43 PM


Ha ha! Hoo boy. Every time I think I'm not a 13-year-old boy anymore, they pull me back in.

I nearly spat my lunch all over the screen when I got to the pneumatic semen dispenser, a.k.a., "The Patriot."

That was a great find.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 26, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

That means once we get to 2010, we can dump all the future cap consequences into that uncapped year and will be on or above even footing with all NFL teams after that.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 03:22 PM

From the discussions of this same issue back in 2006, it doesn't appear to work this way, unfortunately. If I remember correctly, cancellation of the CBA will cause 2010 to be an uncapped year, so 2009 will be the last capped year under the CBA. If nothing has changed regarding this issue in the modified CBA, then all outstanding bonuses will have to be accelerated into/accounted for in 2009. All deferred salary amounts and bonuses would become 2009 dead cap hits.

In other words, cap hell of the worst kind has to happen before the uncapped year can take place. Considering the number of contracts that have been converted, if all outstanding bonus money had to be accounted for in 2009, there would be little or no cap room available to field an entire team.

So, no problem at all. Just release all of your talented players in 2009 to deal with the salary cap crunch (and watch them sign with teams that don't have salary cap problems). Then hope there will be someone to sign in 2010, other than scrap heap players and undrafted rookies.

Another excellent plan by Dan and Vinny. Perfect!

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Seems like receivers (esp. w/the Skins, but also the Lions) have a huge hit or miss potential in the draft, esp. the early rounds. Hence, if they get a receiver, I wouldn't be surprised if they go to free agency for that ... and b/c this is, after all, the new Zorn face of Cerrato/The Owner, it would stand to reason that the FIRST choice would be D.J. Hackett from Seattle.

Also, if there IS a trade in the works, peeps need to put on their seatbelts and remember the rest of the NFL are not Jawas (those little maroon cloaked guys in that first Stars Wars movie ... maybe the cloaks were burgundy) ... they don't just want to trade for junk. In the non-junk category, see two shorter, speedy receivers who essentially duplicate each other in the fast and short category ... just saying ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I nearly spat my lunch all over the screen when I got to the pneumatic semen dispenser, a.k.a., "The Patriot."

Posted by: freakzilla | February 26, 2008 04:08 PM

"Constructed of the finest materials, you will not find a semen dispenser in today's marketplace that will give you the trouble-free reliable years of service that the Patriot provides. History proves it: Our original Pneumatic Semen Dispenser, The Turcolossus, is 25 years old. They are still running today!"

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Hall is asking for that? Pass... I can't figure out who the Skins will be looking at. Roy Williams and Larry Fitzgerald are suppose to be off the market. It could be a smoke screen though. The only other thing would be DL for the 3rd round pick this year maybe Dwayne Robertson from the Jets?

Posted by: mdvj | February 26, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I met my first RIer yesterday! Woohoo!!

zcezest is down here visiting family, so I went out for lunch with him and his partner, and I showed them how not to eat a burger!

Posted by: kost52 | February 26, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Heard a rumor the skins are attempting to trade up in the draft to get D. McFadden...rumor says they would be willing to part with first round pick, CP, and more.

Posted by: fsudaved | February 26, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

What amazes me is the fact that my school has not yet filtered the Redskins Insider from our network. All those links I try to click while I'm at work... it may come back to haunt me.

i.e. - the bathroom stall pictures from last season.

I'm sure there's more, but that one really sticks out as a career killer for a teacher.

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

fsudaved

Please source your reference. (I feel like I work for the WaPost)

Posted by: mdvj | February 26, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

fsudaved, I heard that too. The trade was Rock/Todd Collins, and Keith Griffin, for Darren McFadden, and Shawn Kemp.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Heard a rumor the skins are attempting to trade up in the draft to get D. McFadden...rumor says they would be willing to part with first round pick, CP, and more.

Posted by: fsudaved | February 26, 2008 04:13 PM

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

That means once we get to 2010, we can dump all the future cap consequences into that uncapped year and will be on or above even footing with all NFL teams after that.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 03:22 PM

From the discussions of this same issue back in 2006, it doesn't appear to work this way, unfortunately. If I remember correctly, cancellation of the CBA will cause 2010 to be an uncapped year, so 2009 will be the last capped year under the CBA. If nothing has changed regarding this issue in the modified CBA, then all outstanding bonuses will have to be accelerated into/accounted for in 2009. All deferred salary amounts and bonuses would become 2009 dead cap hits.

In other words, cap hell of the worst kind has to happen before the uncapped year can take place. Considering the number of contracts that have been converted, if all outstanding bonus money had to be accounted for in 2009, there would be little or no cap room available to field an entire team.

So, no problem at all. Just release all of your talented players in 2009 to deal with the salary cap crunch (and watch them sign with teams that don't have salary cap problems). Then hope there will be someone to sign in 2010, other than scrap heap players and undrafted rookies.

Another excellent plan by Dan and Vinny. Perfect!

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 04:08 PM

Not True.

For Cap Accounting Purposes (CAP for short), you won't be able to amortize bonuses past 2009 in any new contracts. That's pretty much the only thing that is different. So we will be straight. There may be a few casualties, but those will be old guys by that time........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The Turcolossus

I propose that "Turcolossus" be adopted as the RI term for a confluence of two or more Shabingi.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 26, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Heard a rumor the skins are attempting to trade up in the draft to get D. McFadden...rumor says they would be willing to part with first round pick, CP, and more.

Posted by: fsudaved | February 26, 2008 04:13 PM

Please post link with rumors. this isn't the warpath, redskins.com chat, etc. We like our rumors quasi-substantiated.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The only way to get to the uncapped year in 2010 is by making it through 2009 - the last year under the salary cap - I don't know exactly what happens in 2009, but i know its bad for the skins - like nuclear winter bad.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 26, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

kost, did he tell you how he pronounces his handle?

zee-suh-zest
zee-say-zest
zee-sez-est

It has always vexed me, a little bit anyway, since I mentally translate the alphabet soup handles into something you could say aloud.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I second that freakzilla

Long&Foster seconds any real estate related rumors as well.

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

So, zilla, Snyderrato = Turcolossus? Sounds good to me.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

scampbell19775, i'm pretty sure he was making a joke, albeit one that wasn't really funny. he should have taken a line from gregg...

fsudaved, I heard that too. The trade was Rock/Todd Collins, and Keith Griffin, for Darren McFadden, and Shawn Kemp.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 04:18 PM

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 26, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

There has never been a navel encounter without a loss of semen - old Navy saying.

Posted by: Markin21132 | February 26, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I understand that Greg was making a joke, I just hope that fsudaved was as well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"...you will not find a semen dispenser in today's marketplace that will give you the trouble-free reliable years of service that the Patriot provides."

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 04:11 PM

Presumably Tom Brady has one of these...

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I understand that Greg was making a joke, I just hope that fsudaved was as well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 04:30 PM

Sometimes it's hard to tell who's joking and who's not in printed word. Some are quite obvious, others not at all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Not True

For Cap Accounting Purposes (CAP for short), you won't be able to amortize bonuses past 2009 in any new contracts. That's pretty much the only thing that is different. So we will be straight. There may be a few casualties, but those will be old guys by that time........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 04:19 PM

In other words, when the 2008 season ends and the Redskins are $30-40 million over the projected cap for 2009, there will be no way for them to renegotiate existing player contracts to get down to the 2009 cap level. The only way to get back to the cap amount will be to cut players who don't have massive cap hits/amortized bonus amounts.

It's the same difference. Most of the younger cheaper talent will have to be cut, because there is no money in 2008 to sign them to extensions. RFAs and UFAs will have to be released, because there will be no cap room to sign new contracts with them. There will be no money in free agency to sign new talent. And there will be no cap room available to sign 2009 draft picks. The only players left will be older players with big cap hits and limited usefulness. Signing undrafted free agents to 1st year minimums will allow you to field a team. When Jansen, Samuels, or Rabach go down with an injury, you can sign an undrafted free agent at 1st year minimum to replace them.

As I said - great plan.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

No joke...I don't have an internet link or reporter to quote. I have a friend who has ties to the organization and he hinted they are exploring how to move up.
Maybe I shouldn't have posted anything since its just a rumor, but I just thought it was something to chew on.

Posted by: fsudaved | February 26, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Was that an off-colo(u)r remark Mark?

For shame!

And here we were talking about the 2009/10 cap, CBA, Free Agency market, such as, maps, like.

:-) If 'Turcolossus' achieves some longevity as an RI word, I will feel a small thrill of acceptance.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing good or bad about trades they just are....


The problem is who is making the trades and the cap hit. We have to pay out 1/2 of the bonus for the person we trade and take on the contract of a new player.

The only spot we are 'deep' at is RB. We need young players so draft picks are not a good thing to trade at the moment.

Posted by: mul | February 26, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I was not joking. I think the trade that I proposed has merit. Kemp will be the bigger receiver that the WCO needs.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

No joke...I don't have an internet link or reporter to quote. I have a friend who has ties to the organization and he hinted they are exploring how to move up.
Maybe I shouldn't have posted anything since its just a rumor, but I just thought it was something to chew on.

Posted by: fsudaved | February 26, 2008 04:33 PM

I would renew my vigurous name calling of the Turcolossus we call the head office if it were true.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Presumably Tom Brady has one of these...

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 04:31 PM

Or is one of these.

Posted by: Markin21132 | February 26, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Whatever the topic is here right now, this is completely off topic -- but do any of you other hamsters know anyone who is an expert in New Jersey state income tax law, and who would be willing to lend me 5 or 10 minutes of his or her time to answer a few questions?

I did some work last year for a NJ-based company who screwed up my taxes, and I'm pretty sure that the steps that they are telling me to take to fix their error are not by the book. I've tried the NJ Dept. of Taxation, but contacting a living, breathing person there is something akin to SETI.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 26, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

way kool kost!
RI meet-ups go global!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 26, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

No joke...I don't have an internet link or reporter to quote. I have a friend who has ties to the organization and he hinted they are exploring how to move up.

Posted by: fsudaved | February 26, 2008 04:33 PM

Move up doesn't necessarily imply what you are stating unless he hinted at something with specifics.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Or is one of these.

Posted by: Markin21132 | February 26, 2008 04:39 PM

He's a veritable Turcolossus!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

DANG IT DANNY! Where is the stability you promised us? Now our surgeon is gone too? Have you no decency? Have you no sense of tradition? Ray Thal... the Thalster... He was the only reason to even WATCH on Sunday. Oh man. I'm.. I'm burning my season tickets RIGHT NOW! I'm taking everything I own that is burgundy and gold, and I'm painting it black like your heart. Do you hear me? This is Cerrato's meddling, isn't it? ISN'T IT? Next thing you know, the Skins will be bringing in some over-the-hill hall of famer from Gray's Anatomy or ER, and THEY'RE NOT EVEN REALLY SURGEONS! Oh man. This team is so done. Again.

Posted by: jvwright | February 26, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Not True
For Cap Accounting Purposes (CAP for short), you won't be able to amortize bonuses past 2009 in any new contracts. That's pretty much the only thing that is different. So we will be straight. There may be a few casualties, but those will be old guys by that time........
Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 04:19 PM
In other words, when the 2008 season ends and the Redskins are $30-40 million over the projected cap for 2009, there will be no way for them to renegotiate existing player contracts to get down to the 2009 cap level. The only way to get back to the cap amount will be to cut players who don't have massive cap hits/amortized bonus amounts.
It's the same difference. Most of the younger cheaper talent will have to be cut, because there is no money in 2008 to sign them to extensions. RFAs and UFAs will have to be released, because there will be no cap room to sign new contracts with them. There will be no money in free agency to sign new talent. And there will be no cap room available to sign 2009 draft picks. The only players left will be older players with big cap hits and limited usefulness. Signing undrafted free agents to 1st year minimums will allow you to field a team. When Jansen, Samuels, or Rabach go down with an injury, you can sign an undrafted free agent at 1st year minimum to replace them.
As I said - great plan.
Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 04:33 PM


Tafka - When this same situation was about to come to ahead 2 years ago, the Redskins did deals with a bunch of Veterans to renegotiate their contracts to ensure they would be under the cap. But, when the CBA was signed, the cap jumped by $9-12 Mil if I remember correctly and they didn't have to restructure after all.

There will still be other mechanisms available for them to use such as LTBE and ULTBE incentives...

So that scary prediction more than likely won't come to past just as it wouldn't have 2 years ago...........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

If you take your afternoon constitutional seriously, try listening to the Last of the Mohicans sound track while doing your thing.

Epic.

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, you would be?

Posted by: corkczar | February 26, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I completely forgot to ask about his handle!

Posted by: kost52 | February 26, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

4th - If the same scenario was playing out this year, how would the Redskins have gotten back down to slightly under the cap, where they have just arrived this week? These renegotiations are all about 2008 contracts, so none of them could have happened if 2008 was the last capped year. The answer is simple: we would be sitting at +$20 million over the cap, with a Thursday dealine to get back to the cap. The only way to do that would be to release every player who is cheaper to cut than pay in 2008. Work the numbers on that and see how many players would be left on the roster.

It won't be any different in 2009. Some of the names would be different. Same problem, different year.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

DANG IT DANNY! Where is the stability you promised us? Now our surgeon is gone too? Have you no decency? Have you no sense of tradition? Ray Thal... the Thalster... He was the only reason to even WATCH on Sunday. Oh man. I'm.. I'm burning my season tickets RIGHT NOW! I'm taking everything I own that is burgundy and gold, and I'm painting it black like your heart. Do you hear me? This is Cerrato's meddling, isn't it? ISN'T IT? Next thing you know, the Skins will be bringing in some over-the-hill hall of famer from Gray's Anatomy or ER, and THEY'RE NOT EVEN REALLY SURGEONS! Oh man. This team is so done. Again.

Posted by: jvwright | February 26, 2008 04:44 PM

I think Danny will be going for star power in his next surgeon. Look for Joycelyn Elders or C. Everett Koop to get long looks.

Posted by: jimwell | February 26, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Interesting tidbit from Rogers Cromartie:

His father kept telling him he had a cousin who played at Florida State, but Rodgers-Cromartie never thought much of it until he got to know Antonio Cromartie in the past year. The second-year San Diego Chargers cornerback led the NFL with 10 interceptions this past season.

Rodgers-Cromartie had another connection to cornerback greatness through his father. One of his dad's friends knew future Hall-of-Famer Darrell Green, who invited Rodgers-Cromartie to work out with him this past summer.

Green taught him how to come out of his break faster.

"Basically he changed my whole style of game," Rodgers-Cromartie said Sunday at the NFL scouting combine.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

4th, I know I've posted some irrelevant and random stuff today so I understand if you missed it, but I (sort of) asked you a question and I don't think you've answered it for me yet.

I suggested that I believe the reasoning behind the Redskins approach - as opposed to everyone else's approach - to the salary cap was to use clever 'financial engineering' methods to fund a more expensive (should also mean 'better') squad than they could if they stuck to more standard methods of contract structure.

The purpose of this was presumably to win more often and sooner by loading the roster with experienced, proven (more expensive) players.

This scheme has run for long enough that I think it's fair to say it hasn't worked, because the team has not enjoyed success correspondant to the spend level. Yet it HAS created a challenge in terms of cap management that may one day prove catastrophic, or more likely will require a lot of effort every year just to get back to where everyone elke is anyway.

So why keep going with that approach? It hasn't worked and it isn't showing any sign of working either?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/articles/2006/03/01/mark_brunell_agrees_to_restructure_deal/

Redskins were predicted to be $20 Mil over the Cap before the last uncapped year. The veterans were willing to work it out.

The view you gave is worst case scenario. But what happened in '06 is more realistic.

True, we can't predict the future and what the players will do on those teams. But, neither can we predict Cap Hell, since everyone who has done that to Snyder's teams have essentially been proven wrong every time.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

kost,

Damn, Nate asked my question, too, and you didn't find out. I guess we can ask him when he blogs again.

I hope that he had the good grace to buy you a nice kangaroo steak meal with a bottle of shiraz from the McClaren Vale. I know you would do the same for him when you visit.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

seen you next week Hatchet.

Posted by: makalb18 | February 26, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

seen you next week Hatchet.

Posted by: makalb18 | February 26, 2008 04:59 PM


*see

Posted by: makalb18 | February 26, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Did Jasno say James Andrews is on the sideline for all Skins games? You think he takes Danny 1 up from Birmingham every Sunday?

Posted by: mile.high | February 26, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I showed them how not to eat a burger!

Posted by: kost52 | February 26, 2008 04:12 PM

kost, I think Hasselhoff still leads the league in this category, but inquiring minds want to know. Did you eat it off a stripper or something?

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 26, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"fsudaved, I heard that too. The trade was Rock/Todd Collins, and Keith Griffin, for Darren McFadden, and Shawn Kemp."

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 04:18 PM

This trade doesn't work. Teams can't trade UFAs like The Todd and Rock ... kind of defeats the purpose of free agency.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if it has been mentioned but for everyone talking about how bad are cap situation is we are not a succsessful as the colts but they are in worse cap hell than us they were over by more than us and that was before they resigned clark and their starting guard. Fact, is san fran found a way around the cap for a number of years before the hit the wall ev entually the skins will bite the bullet for all this manuvering but not right now.

Posted by: murraysdaman10 | February 26, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

What I want to know is if George Clooney could be the team surgeon. That'd be a big name for Synder.

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

For the team doctor, since there are no cap implications, I think we should the same approach we took in assembling the coaching staff the past few years.

Dr. Koop, Dr. Phil, Dr. Octagon, Dr. Dreamy, Dr. Dremo, Dr. Detroit, Dr. Demento...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure they'll find a way to bestow an honorable doctorate of scientology on Tom Cruz and cast him in the role of "Doctor"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I've just realized that by joining together the concept "The Patriot" (worthy successor to the Turcolossus!) and "Tom Brady", I created a mental image for "Tom Milking" that I really didn't want to have.

To anyone else suffering the same fate, my most profound apologies.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Great call, scamp. He was right there the whole time, I just didn't see him (because he is so short, get it?).

Tom Cruise as Dr. Bill Harford
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120663/

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

So why keep going with that approach? It hasn't worked and it isn't showing any sign of working either?
Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 04:55 PM

Thanks for the question. I think you have the reasoning all wrong for why they manage the cap the way they do.

'Cash Over Cap' is the key phrase.

The Redskins believe more in FA than the draft. So, since they don't draft often, they have less rookie contracts than the normal team. They usually sign players who are in their prime, witch means they will be demanding top $$ since those players believe they are at their highest earning potential. That's why we are always playing with the Cap #s. The NFL created the cap so any team couldn't stock up on prime aged players. The cap is structured for anticipated balance and the redskins discovered how to cheat it and that is called 'Cash Over Cap'. It's all about knowing all the inside and outs of how CAP works.
Did that make sense??

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Could you imagine Dr. Tom Cruise trying to convince Mike Sellers to buy into scientoligistical healing?

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

If we take a safety it would be nice to see Brandon Flowers in the maroon and black.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

4th,

Basically, the restructuring contracts has postponed the day of reckoning, and it may be able to postpone the day of reckoning forever. Personally, I'd like to see them use it like a cructch when you have a broken bone, not make it a way of life. It's risky, and it limits a team's flexibility. Hypothetically, if you have career-ending injuries to, say, Jansen and Portis, you may have to cut Cooley and MacIntosh to free up the cap space.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Koop, Dr. Phil, Dr. Octagon, Dr. Dreamy, Dr. Dremo, Dr. Detroit, Dr. Demento...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2008 05:09 PM

Nate,
Don't forget Dr. Strange, Dr. Strangelove, and professional wrestling's Dr. Death.

Posted by: TDawg | February 26, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

TE - That can be said about all teams now sindce they are giving out bigger gaureented contracts now than ever. That's just how it is.

If Jansen were to suffer (god-forbid) a career threating injury, he may have to stay on IR for a year or 2 until his cap # is more manageable to cut. But that's why they give teams the opportunity to spread the cap hit of up to 2 players across 2 cap years.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Is Dr. Kevorkian still available? He might be useful for some fans whose faith in the franchise is on life support.

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

And Dr. Richard Kimball

Posted by: johndinhouston | February 26, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

TE - Funnily enough I had Kangaroo steaks the night before for dinner, that's why I had a hamburger for lunch, and I'm not much of a wine person, so I just had a Coopers.

Posted by: kost52 | February 26, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I should apply for assistant Capologist with the 'Skins........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

He could probably cut some corners and save some money by just hiring PAs. If their players don't recover from their injuries, he'll just buy more FAs and restructure the entire team's contracts to make up for his lack of managerial skills and abilities.

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

SMACK - I was very Hasslehoffian in how I ate my burger. It was just a tad over filled, and bits were falling out all over the place, and I wouldn't be surprised to find that I ate the entire meal with a piece of beetroot stuck to my face. I was a disgrace.

I always thought that eating a burger off a stripper was the right way to do it?

Posted by: kost52 | February 26, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

so, finally lloyd is released.

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | February 26, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

So the skins got rid of Brandon Lloyd and we didn't even hear an inkling of it from JLC... JLC is off his game big-time and hasn't been giving us anything worthwhile in weeks.

Either JLC is losing his touch or the skins are shutting him out. I wonder if the skins timed the announcement of his release to coincide with when JLC would be on comcast, just to screw him over?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 26, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, apparently on the way out of the building, Lloyd got lost in the halls, as he was going the wrong route to the exit......HEYYYYYOOOOOOO

Posted by: SentinelSports | February 26, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd got released? No way. never saw that coming...he was so good.

Posted by: grizlies98 | February 26, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Just a small point on Jasno - new regime, new sources - Jason's probably having to find new ways to ferret out information

Posted by: johndinhouston | February 26, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

There's also Dr. Doom and Dr. Hibbert, but my first choice would have to be Dr. Nick Riviera.

Hi, everybody!

Posted by: freakzilla | February 26, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Woohoo!! No more Lloyd!

Posted by: kost52 | February 26, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

B E E P

B E E P

B E E P

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Give Jasno a break, kid's been breakin news left and right on this soap opera of a franchise.....He does good work....

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