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Rabach Groin Strain

His return is questionable. The O Line is getting decimated by injuries. Yikes.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 14, 2007; 3:25 PM ET
 
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Stretch!!! Hammies & groins... stretch!!!!!

Posted by: Alan | October 14, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Here we go. Come on O - steady steady go.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

If you pull hammies when its 88, then when its 40 pulled muscles are easy.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Flock!

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

3 and out. Giants game redux...I'm going to find the Mylanta right now.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

i hate woodson

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

It looked like someone grabbed Portis's face mask on that last run.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

These Madden Verizon commercials are awesome.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

No, it was his shoulder.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Campbell's Old Spice commercials are great too.

I don't remember seeing any Manning commercials today...

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Okay D here we go steady steady turnover.

*deep deep sigh*

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

MORE penalties. Ugh. Double Move.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

#22 is NOT an NFL corner

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The FIX is in. I don't see anything wrong with Wade or with Rabach.

I do see all kinds of garbage calls and no calls. Obvious face masks not being called. Phantom holding calls. The Thrash pass 41 yards called back for what??

The tie reception Randle EL, goes against the NFL rule and is awarded to the Packers, with NO challenge possible. WTF!@ Santana Moss is either a peice of SJK or he is going to get a big check in his mailbox sometime soon. He looks like a cheater, drops, fumbles, the whole nine.

Posted by: DTC | October 14, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm putting the laptop down... see you guys later

Posted by: Dorf | October 14, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

F 22!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

ANOTHER flag on Double Move.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Taylor has dropped three today. Horrible.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Almost lost my lunch there. Okay come on come on!

WOOHOO!! LET'S GO REDSKINS! LET'S GO REDSKINS!

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

How can you give up down 3 with 11:00 left, Dorf? We need you here in the RI!!

heh

Posted by: SCSkins | October 14, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

F 22!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 03:40 PM

ANOTHER flag on Double Move.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 03:40 PM

Dudes. You were both wrong. Too much #22 hate between you.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

ohhh c'mon! there's like 10 minutes left. have some fait in JC and cooley

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

DTC, you're right. A vast conspiracy is at work. Tom Cruise will defeat Hillary Clinton in 2008 and instead of every American getting $5000, we'll all get couches. TCCLs all around!

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

talent evaluator, we're not hating on #22 the opposing QBs and OCs are hatin on #22. obviously they see something there

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

t-e, I don't hate ANY player. I needle Receiver, The. But I love them all. #22 does find himself getting picked on all the time, but that's because #24 is actually really good.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't even know what to say.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to puke.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

positive thoughts! only down by 3 on the road against 'keep throwing' Brett Farve. Score!

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

GB has fumbled 3 times, lost none. The Redskins have fumbled twice, lost one. That's the difference right now.

Posted by: Alan | October 14, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

POrtis fumbles. Must be Saunders fault for calling his number.

I actually think Gibbs has taken over the play calling with all these lame go-nowhere runs.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Okay I did just lose my lunch.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

2 out of the 'Skins big 3 stars have fumbled this game away. Unreal.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

My guess is they will stack the box because they don't have to fear our wideouts.

Gonna have to get back to Cooley. He's been quiet in the 2nd half.

Posted by: SCSkins | October 14, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

well....if you keep running to the left...that's where the whole D's gonna be

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Make that 4 fumbles and 2 losses.

Posted by: Alan | October 14, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

F positive thoughts.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Can you say "ball handling drills next week?"

Posted by: SCSkins | October 14, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Refs missed ANOTHER call there. Good for us, but, seriously...

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Smoot should have intercepted that ball. He would have if he would have had his head turned around. We got lucky on that call.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Uh, that was a touchdown.

Posted by: Cindy | October 14, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Time to hit mute button to calm myself down. Totally irrational I know but I can't listen. Watch sure but not listen.

Dodged a bullet on that endzone play.

Ugh.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Actually both teams have fumbled 3 times. GB lost none, the Skins lost 2. That's just dumb luck for GB.

Posted by: Alan | October 14, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

i know one thing...that wasn't all portis's fault. he should've just taken a knee cuz the D was waiting for him but like the good soldier he is he tried to make something out of it.

i'm telling you...i'm never gonna let my wife sit with me again...

skins got a call

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

This is the beinning of the end...Portis is Fumbling, the O-line is in absolute tatters, defenders SHOULD NOT be behind the line already on a deep sweep.

I agree with Greg Williams, I am sick of excuses from the Miami crew, putting our defense in bad spots.

Posted by: DTC | October 14, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Defense holds again. WOW.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Way to go CANADIA!!!

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Nice job, D.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

We needed that. Go Chris Wilson! Who?

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Doink! No good!

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

OH MY GAWD! How lucky was that!

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

man, i hope that the media gives both clinton portis and santana moss hell. both of these players should not be in the game and i am not sure that they should start next week. they suck, i hate them, and we all should as well. they are good for nothing fools that give far less than 100% in a game. give mike sellers the ball, or even ladell betts or rock cartwright, but trade clinton

Posted by: A Redskins Fan | October 14, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

WOO!!

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

okay boys...no harm no foul...LET's GO JC and CP!!! let's go patched up o-line!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

to quote line a great movie "inconceivable"

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 14, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

'Skins get so many opportunities. Now the O has to capitalize. Maybe a goat can redeem himself.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

clinton's got no trade value.

Posted by: SCSkins | October 14, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Keenan McCardell in there now, 1 catch.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

look, even 49 year olds can make simple catches. trade santana NOW

Posted by: A Redskin Fan | October 14, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Back to positive thoughts. Should have been 7 only 0. Huge!

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness for the old dude.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Another one - McCardell signing looks huge about now.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The run is not there today.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Another catch for McCardell.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

WOOOOO HOOOOO they ran right,,,,

Now thats gonna confuse everyone !!!

Posted by: Ian/ London Uk | October 14, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Old Man River! Way to go McCardell!

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

almost!!!

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 14, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Receiver, The...OH SO CLOSE!!!!!!!

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

You can't blame that all on Lloyd!

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I think "A Redskin Fan" is actually a Cowboys, Giants, or Eagles fan. But the posts are quite comical!

Posted by: Alan | October 14, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Breathe I need to remember to breathe.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

good thing santanas not in the game. those would have been 2 dropped passes right thur

Posted by: A Redskin Fan | October 14, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

ian, i'm with you man! i don't know why they think it's okay to run left 90% of the time

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Another bad Al Saunders call. He knew Jason would throw the ball too far and that Lloyd would not catch it. Should have run Portis to the right.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Time to give it Sellers. Poor clock management with the TO's being taken right now.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

sjk game mgmt again!!!!!!!

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 14, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Without sound it looks like mass confusion on the sideline.

SELLERS SELLERS SELLERS SELLERS

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

spread them wide with 4/5 WR set and run it!!!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Coooooley, 2 yards short.

Here we go. Ballgame right here?

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

not sayin its right, but they run left behind the starters samuels and kendall... the right side is all backups

Posted by: jts | October 14, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

why won't we run??

Posted by: mmok | October 14, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Sellers up the middle...gotta go for it..

Posted by: X | October 14, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Why throw the ball short of the 1st down on 4th and 2? I'm going to be sick again.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

NOT LIKE THAT! RUN! Or over the middle!

)@(#*$()@#*$()@#*$)(@#*$()@#

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

ladell sucks!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

bad execution.... still plenty of time.. go D

Posted by: jts | October 14, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Nice play call...why not kick the damn FG and tie..NOOOOOO lets lose the game right now!

Posted by: Leevi | October 14, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Another bad call by Saunders. He knew that Campbell would throw to Betts and not an open McCardell.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Nice play call...why not kick the damn FG and tie..NOOOOOO lets lose the game right now!

Posted by: Leevi | October 14, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Great f*ckin play calling gibbs. godd*mn i hope he retires

Posted by: A Redskins Fan | October 14, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Crikey!

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

looks like it's about to be over...D is giving up

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

W T F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: X | October 14, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

groan.... what a great drive, sike

Posted by: mrm0to | October 14, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Another blown game thanks to AL.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

looks like it's about to be over...D is giving up

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 03:58 PM

That's pretty low to accuse them of giving up.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

still plenty of time.. GB can't run the clock out.. their rushing attack is too crappy... keep the faith men!

Posted by: jts | October 14, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The Reaper with the pick. DON'T LATERAL THE BALL!!!!!

Cardiac kids. OH MY GOD.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I just called it! ANd then I had a heart attack! DON'T LATERAL!

Call 911!

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Nice INT Reaper but we gave up 10 yards on the toss back to Fletcher.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Took a sec to go to Bucs-Titans. JFish and Chuckie both getting a little fat....They look like they're coaching in the Paunch Bowl.

Posted by: Cindy | October 14, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

So, Taylor's two for five.

Dealer,

That flat out shows what you're made of in calling the defense quitters.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

to take a break from bashing my team, does any one else see how soft favre's arm has gotten?

Posted by: A Redskins Fan | October 14, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Jesus

Can Al's unit be any more incompetent

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

okay...skins aren't winning this game...it's over! they're just too silly with the ball...

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

wtf with the fumbles.

Posted by: SCSkins | October 14, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Lateral shows a defense that has no hope in the O.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Yay offense

Drop passes - Check
fumbles - Check
Dumb playcalls - Check
Fall down for no reason - Check

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

footing sucks, everyone keeps slipping

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 14, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

portis and moss are HORRIBLE today

Posted by: jts | October 14, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

If you hear a scream that's me throwing myself out the window.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Favre sucks... we should be up by 21 pts right now.

Posted by: X | October 14, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Kampman with the sack again. Punt this away and play D again. Packers can't run the ball. Not out of it yet.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Another bad Saunders call. He should have known that Portis would fall down on a screen to the right.

And again! He knew Campbell would get sacked.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The Defenestration of San Francisco

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

we look like a dome team

Posted by: BT | October 14, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Another year without the playoffs...at least we have our 1st round pick next year.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

no breaks today.. even on the muff.... still not over.. GB can't run the ball

Posted by: jts | October 14, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I am so glad I can only follow this on the computer or else I would be needing a new TV just about now.... god save us from ourselves !!!!

Posted by: ian/London Uk | October 14, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Two guys jump the count no call.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

1 TO left and 2 min warning not much hope left

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 14, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

It's time for danny boy to give gibbs the norv turner treatment.

Posted by: X | October 14, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Call timeout!!!

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

THis is sick, though. Even if we win this game it doesn't vindicate St. Joe. They're still f'ing useless in the 2nd half.

Posted by: mrm0to | October 14, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

what are they doing??? USE THE TO!!!!

Posted by: jts | October 14, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Boy - Those timeouts would be nice abut now Mr Gibbs. This is horrible.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

ohh my god talent evaluator, you're calling me out...booohoooo i'm gonna cry

dude, chill. favreh gave that ball up.

D isn't quitters but they're not robots...did you see the stats for the offense....last 8 possessions? c'mon dude...open you eyes!

and don't get a holier than thou attitude...everyone up here loves the skins the same...

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The offense has no heart this year.

They find ways to lose games.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

GB gonna burn the clock with runs and our clock mgmt sucks

this is goin to be another nailbiter...hopefully we get close enough for a FG....

but the way it looks right now, we're toast

Posted by: waiting since 92 | October 14, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

And... Troy Aikman is the color, right? He's calling out Gibbs every f'ing drive on bad clock. Ugh.

Posted by: mrm0to | October 14, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I hate this. We should win this game, but we we made too many mistakes

Posted by: BT | October 14, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

It's time for danny boy to give gibbs the norv turner treatment.

Posted by: X | October 14, 2007 04:03 PM

Right. How many passes did Gibbs drop? How many times did he fumble?

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Norv Turner was a better coach for us than Gibbs 2.0

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Seriously time for the Danny to change the name and call for a curse lifting ceremony. . . .and we need to practice playing in the rain . . . and catching the ball . . .and getting better shoes. . . .and play calling. . . .but it's definitley the curse.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Jason Witten just got blown up by a 7 year old! Pansy Cowboys.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the turnover ratio is 0. We have two picks, they have 2 fumble recoveries.

Saunders should have known this.

Posted by: SCSkins | October 14, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

had to start Derek Anderson this since other QB has bye. 3 TDs and 245 yds

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 14, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. Then I have to see F-ing Jason Whitten

Posted by: BT | October 14, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

ok, is anyone else sick of having this f*ckin team break our hearts every season. i cant do it anymore. every game i get hyped up, and just about every game they let me down. gibbs needs to go, along with saunders, portis, and moss. sellers should be our main back, williams should be hc, and we should hire a young offensive mind to, you know, not make senile decisions at key times in the game. im sick of this bullsh*t, as we all should be, and i hope jlac asks coach difficult questions as to why his team sucks so bad.

Posted by: A Redskin Fan | October 14, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

i actually liked the fact they didn't use the TO there...

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Portis can't run without falling down all over the place, get him otta there. Also, our whole offensive line is out.

Poor clock management by Joe. P=Diddy, give COach Joe and the staff a couple of TCCL's for putting their starting #1 WR (MOSS) on the bench, cause they don;t trust him.

Take a few conspiracy leaps on that!

Posted by: DTC | October 14, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

73 sec and 60 yds to go

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 14, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Yes Virginia there is a Santa Clause - right? We would like a nice quick clean drive for a score right now please Mr. Santa Claus.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing is we're not in horrible shape right now, despite all the shabingi.

Posted by: farstriker | October 14, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Here we go, let's see if we can get the field goal!

Posted by: Fred | October 14, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The offense is led by a QB playing his 12th game, with an offensive lineman with ONLY 1 guy left who started at the onset of camp. Come on now. We ALL knew they were going to be inconsistent until later in the year. The good news is that the defense appears to be stout this season.

Remember, 9-7 will get you in the playoffs...

But enough of that...1:13 left, let's see what our young QB can do...

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

big big big play by JC there!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

But that assumes we can move the ball forward.

Posted by: farstriker | October 14, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Uummm...last I checked, the Packers were a good team. It's not like we are losing to the frickin' 'Fins.

Go cry somewhere else.

Posted by: SCSkins | October 14, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

O-Line getting eaten alive. Chalk this one up for another 2nd half loss for Jasno to add to his stats.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this is dire.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Heyer out, Lorenzo in?
GAME OVER

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

We now don't have an offensive line anymore. It's actually not there. It's gone.

Gone.
Gone.
Gone.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

This is what happens when you play guys because of their name instead of how they are playing

Should have benched Moss in the 1st quarter

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Nasty injury on Heyer. Hope he's not our for long.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Favre did absolutely NOTHING and we are going to lose.

Posted by: BT | October 14, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeesh. Hester is nuts.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

here come the false starts...they should just kneel...only samuels and pete kendall left on the o-line...wow!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

On the bright side, I didnt pay for a ticket to watch this 2nd half debacle and England made the Rugby World cup final.
This is crap to watch happen....

I think someone needs to perhaps explain theat 2nd half adjustments are designed to Improve the team... How can we get worse in the second half so often. Its New York all over again

Posted by: Ian/London UK | October 14, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

It's surprising we are only down by 3 based on this second half shabingus.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

so we lost like 30 sec to crappy time mgmt

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 14, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

GREAT GAME AL

GREAT GAME

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

wow! i think the skins covered though!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Bummer. There will always be games like this. Let's see if they bounce back at home.

It's been great BOGO with you guys as usual. I have to head down to Qwest Field to tailgate for tonight's snoozer of a game.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

This makes the 4pm game painful.

*sigh*

How many are going to stick around and watch?

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

F*ck the Redskins F*ck the Redskins F*ck the Redskins F*ck the Redskins F*ck the RedskinsF*ck the Redskins F*ck the Redskins i know yall feel what im talking about

Posted by: A Redskins Fan | October 14, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Bring on the Cowgirl trolls. I guess now is a good time to take a blogation.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Redskins will be better off firing Gibbs and Saunders. Hire an average Offensive coordinator and have Williams be the head coach

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

very good comment by troy aikman there...about not knowing if the skins/packers are contenders or pretenders

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

They are who we thought they were.

A mediocre team.

We let em' off the hook.

Posted by: SCSkins | October 14, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

dont be fooled, santana moss and clinton portis are the SOLE reasons we lost. dont lets gibbs bullsh*t you otherwise. portis and moss lost us this game. both should be benched

Posted by: A Redskins Fan | October 14, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I think someone needs to perhaps explain theat 2nd half adjustments are designed to Improve the team... How can we get worse in the second half so often. Its New York all over again

Posted by: Ian/London UK | October 14, 2007 04:13 PM

In Gibbs 2.0 era, half time is usually a time for those Old farts to take a nap. Our opponents make adjustments at half time. Gibbs and Al take a nap so they can pretend to be awake on the sidelines in the second half.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Both teams played sloppy.

The difference was Moss. He gets a free pass because he is a Cowboy killer.

I won't give up on him.

Posted by: SCSkins | October 14, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Moss was horrible and he lost this game for the Skins. He needs to sit until he can play like a man again.

Yet another 2nd quater collapse by a team in control. Horrible coaching

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

the O-line is just just Done by injuries....wow...no team can win with 4th stringer multiple lineman...yeah it sounds like an excuse but that's really tough...ohh well...let's hope everyone gets healthy up here...

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The difference? Both teams fumbled 4 times, but the Skins lost 2 (and 1 went the other way for a touchdown).

Posted by: Alan | October 14, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this was a terrible game. Terrible. My inclination is to fault coaching b/c I can't believe that guys just forget how to play at halftime. I don't know what it is but these 0-point 2nd halves are a joke.

Posted by: mrm0to | October 14, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I think Gibbs and Saunders get a lot out of the personnel they have. The guy to fire is the one who selected the offensive players. Is that Gibbs? Saunders? Cerrato? Snyder? I'd love to know. The offensive players, aside from Randle El, Campbell, and Cooley are not very inspiring.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Where are all those idiots saying we should stick with Moss now....

If we have Lloyd, Caldwell, McCardell playing for Moss from the start, we win this game easy

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

This is the season. They are who we thought they were which means every week is heart stopping and sometimes it's great and then it sucks.

So we're 3-2. I still take it. Did we stink up the joint like cat pee, helll yeah! But I keep the faith. You can clean up cat pee with the right stuff.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

So we're 3-2. I still take it. Did we stink up the joint like cat pee, helll yeah! But I keep the faith. You can clean up cat pee with the right stuff.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 04:18 PM


Its not catpee...its the old man pee from a leak in Joe gibbs diaper

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Once again we have the lead a halftime and come out in the second half and do NOTHING. The offense lost this game and they lost it in the second half. The dropped passes didn't help, but I think it's more than that. I drank the Joe Gibbs Kool Aid a loooooong time ago. But someone on the offensive side of the coaching staff ain't getting it done. Gibbs? Saunders?

Posted by: Mike Diamond | October 14, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

i'm with the people calling for benchings of CP and moss. but only if they bring up marcus mason or sellers and make ARE #1 and cut #85 as well.

and yes, the score does indicate that Moss was the reason they lost the game and that play calling...wow...he really needs to be down on the field...what a clueless, clueless playcalling

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Redskins are in deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepppppppp trouble for the rest of the season. I love them but they suck. Also, Santana Moss is terrible.

Posted by: Mike | October 14, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

i don't know about you guys, but i've never been so pissed after a game, no way do you lose this game, no way

Posted by: Uncle Spence | October 14, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

This isn't about coaching. This is, purely and simply, about mistakes. Any objective person watching this game would say the Redskins are better. Better on defense and offense. Turnovers, three dropped interceptions by Taylor, 498 dropped passes. Moss and Portis having the worst game of their lives. Not to mention another offensive lineman going down on every play, which gave Campbell no time to throw.

I actually feel good about the Skins after this. They CLEARLY outplayed GB, but handed them the game on a platter. They won't make that many mistakes again all year.

The question now is, who plays offensive line?

Posted by: Keithinator | October 14, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Space Cowboy loses another 2nd half lead.

We should be 5-0

I feel sick.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Favre has never lost to the Redskins.

F Favre.

Posted by: SCSkins | October 14, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs and Saunders don't touch the defense. So the defense gave us every chacne to win with the exception of last year where Gibbs decided to bring in Archuleta...

Offense is Giibs and Saunders all teh way. No one else to blame.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

One positive - This sets up for a perfect rematch in the playoffs and the Redskins will have a chip on their shoulders.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

O-line continues to be destroyed and Gibbs still does not know how to manage the clock. This was an embarassing lost.

Posted by: mhartz25 | October 14, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I actually feel good about the Skins after this. They CLEARLY outplayed GB, but handed them the game on a platter. They won't make that many mistakes again all year.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 14, 2007 04:19 PM

Didn't you say this after the giants game where Porits fumbled away the Win

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins can't win close games. I think they SHOULD have won both the Giants and this game.

The players simply don't beleive in Gibbs and the Space Cowboys. Gibbs playcalling and clock management stink. I have never seen a team slip and fall down so much. Anything goes wrong and Portis and Moss start choking and whining. THe offense is consistently a major weakness. I am sick of it.

The offensive line conditioning is awful.

Posted by: DTC | October 14, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Damn dropped passes! Damn injuries! Damn fair weather fans! Damn cowgirl blog hijackers! Damn Damn Damn!

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

One positive - This sets up for a perfect rematch in the playoffs and the Redskins will have a chip on their shoulders.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 04:21 PM


PLAYOFFS? DON"T TALK ABOUT PLAYOFFS.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Who's responsible for this loss???

Moss - 50%
Gibbs and Saunders for not benching Moss and horrible play calling - 25%
Portis for his fumble that killed drive and eat up the clock - 25%

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Note the the Redskins offence:

Football games have TWO HALVES!!!!!!!


%$^$%&%^&*!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sickofit | October 14, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

keithinator, what makes you think they wont continue to make these dumb mistakes?

i havent been this upset about a wasted loss in a loong time

Posted by: realchica | October 14, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Santana sucks. Hasn't done anything this year except cost us a game.

That was the worst game I've seen by a set of refs in years, against both teams. Did anyone catch the blown offsides call that should've been made against the Packers late in the 4th.

Posted by: DC | October 14, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Repeat after me: Gibbs and Saunders DID NOT drop the footballs. Gibbs and Saunders DID NOT drop footballs. Gibbs and Saunders DID NOT drop the footballs....

Posted by: Icarus | October 14, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

keithinator, what makes you think they wont continue to make these dumb mistakes?

i havent been this upset about a wasted loss in a loong time

Posted by: realchica | October 14, 2007 04:24 PM


A long time = 2 weeks ago after Giants game??

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The first quarter of the season was 3-1. I figured we'd be in good shape if we came out of the 2nd quarter of the season at least 2-2, which would make us no worse than 5-3 at the midway point.

No need to hit the panic button yet. But, they should have won that game handily, even with a makeshift Oline. Our receivers were pure crap today. Absolute crap. I still can't believe how badly Santana played.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Great game for the Reaper.
I thought Moss's groin was hurt, not his hands. Thay play killed us, why call that play when up by 4 on their side of the field with second and 5. The offense should have showed fight enough to recover from it though. Bad showing offense.

Posted by: ross | October 14, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Can we excise that stupit WR reverse from the playbook? Will anyone miss 1 page out of 700? I think every time I've seen it it's been a loss and today was just heartbreaking.

Posted by: mrm0to | October 14, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

People, take a knee. Breathe slowly. Relax. The Redskins lost by three after playing a horrific offensive game. The defense was sensational (minus Sean Taylor's continuous problems catching the ball.) Jason Campbell is the truth. If we don't shoot ourselves in the foot time after time, we win.

We'll be OK, assuming the line injuries aren't too serious. If they are, all bets are off.

But for pete's sake, calm down! I can't stand this "They're the best!" after every win and "They're the worst!" after every loss. Get a grip.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 14, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I absolutely feel sick...700 play and we get this S$#@ every week, $10M in coaching salaries and we dont know how to call timeouts or manage the clock period, $10M in wide receiver bonuses and we cant catch or hold onto the ball...I say we fire Bubba Tyer - we obviously dont know how to train, stretch or condition these players well at all...I have never seen so many hamstring, groin injuries ever - I think are losing the confidence of our players due to poor handling of plays, players and injuries.

Posted by: mhartz25 | October 14, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

santana moss is a punk clown who was a one hit wonder. that one season was good only because defenses didnt prepare for him. he sucks as a number one. he sucked as a #3 with the Jets for christ sake. just another stupid personell decision that looked good at the time, but during year three with him we realize that maybe he isnt so great. portis, hasnt helped our team once this season; cant break the long run without that stout denver line. he sucks, sellers is way better. i have more confidence if rock cartwright. but in true gibbs fashion, we will probably play portis until he gets injured, and by then it will be too late. honestly, gibbs has done nothing to show me that he is a competent coach. had this been anyone else, we would have run him out of town. STEP DOWN GIBBS, you are a hasbeen. snyder, stay ou\t of personell decisions, cerrato get bent, and saunders needs to take that 5,000 page playbook and shove it up his a$$ because none of them are earning their money and they have dont nothing to return us to glory. Williams is actually worth his salary, so he should be HC, and he has the right personality to lead men. Little pld panzy gibbs cannot command respect, and thats why you have clowns like moss and portis who are supposed to be the backbone of our team playing like dumb f*cks. dont buy merchandise from this team, it is not worth it. make them go bankrupt, change the racist name, and start all over again. the redskins are dead, it is time for a new era.

Posted by: A Redskins Fan | October 14, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

CP and Moss did have the worst game as Skins totally agree. I think Moss clearly wasn't ready to be out there and the mistakes were mostly mental. I realize it sounds like I'm making excuses but I think his hammy injury was really bad and playing in the rain made him over think and fear too much.

I think CP knows he blew chunks out there. He was sitting on the bench alone at the end of the game.

That being said it is awfully easy for us to say coaches should have pulled them sooner. The game was close, really close and so do you pull your two major offensive weapons who've come through for you before? Don't know. Clearly GB got onto Cooley so why not more 4/5 WR sets? Well lots of dropped balls so that may not be the answer.

Finally the o-line is in complete tatters right now and a tattered o-line trying to deal with crap conditions and dealing with mental mistake after mental mistake. Sheesh.

So I will keep the faith as I said. It's going to give me an ulcer and a heart condition but as a fan that's fine with me.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Keithinator" - (OP?) The problem is we *always* shoot ourselves in the foot. I ahve no problem losign a "good game", even blowing a 2nd half lead... but not scoring in 30 minutes after DOMINATING the first 30? That's embarassing.

Posted by: mrm0to | October 14, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

keithinator, what makes you think they wont continue to make these dumb mistakes?

i havent been this upset about a wasted loss in a loong time

Posted by: realchica |

-- because it hasn't been their tendency this year. Could they keep it up? Sure. But I haven't seen any evidence to make me believe they will. I think this is post-game emotions talking, not rational thought.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 14, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

St. Joe just dodged the "did you bench Santana?" question.

Beautiful execution on St. Joe's part there.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Joe...that santana sure is a "playmaker"...He made allt he plays for the Packers

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

3-2 is *not* 0-5. Do some folks on this board understand that? Today is was mistakes that did them in. Mistakes are correctable. Lack of talent, which has been the major problem in the past, doesn't appear to be the problem now.

Campbell played great, I thought. Much, much better than Favre. How can you not be excited about the kid?

Posted by: Keithinator | October 14, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The reverse wasn't the issue (and, I hate that play and have said on the blog before that if I never saw it again it would be too soon). They have got to secure the damn ball. It's as simple as that.

Santana didn't secure the ball on that play, and he dropped 4 other balls. It was a bad day for him, and he doesn't have many of them. But, he just killed us today. Fortunately, he's the kind of player who will work hard to come back from this performance.

I do think, though, that he needs to work some more w/ Soups. He could adjust to everything Brunell threw at him. He doesn't seem to be able to do that as easily with Campbell. I wish I knew why, but they really need to figure it out quickly.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Remember folks...9-7 gets you in the playoffs. They have to get to 6-5 and then make a run. Don't panic.

The thing to be concerned about isn't St. Joe or Weird Al or Moss or Portis. The 'Skins are fielding an offensive line with ONE guy who started at the onset of training camp, and that one guy even missed all of camp!

Ah, hell...keep venting. Blog it out. Blog it out.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs is a clown. I want to hear how defends Moss and Portis...they stunk it up big big time. If Gregg Williams was HC, these players would get the MESSAGE. Plus we would proabably draft some decent o-line players instead of Buges pulling undrafted free agents off the scrap heap and sticking with Veterans like Jansen two or three years too long.

Posted by: DTC | October 14, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Not that I was expecting anything different, but the Space Cowboy's press conference was brutal today.

Does this guy have a clue? If he's purposely being positive or deceptive, he needs to stop because he sounds like a clown who has no clue what's going on.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I like this Keithinator guy.

Pats - 7
Cowgirlz - 0

The other 81 must have brought his popcorn today.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

i do think its too early for the "dump santana" calls, he clearly wasnt ready to play today......as for CP, his mental mistakes make me also think that he just isnt fully healthy either and he doesnt have confidence in his body and skills

Posted by: realchica | October 14, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Softskins.

I hear ya Keith but I'm sorry. Portis needs benched SO bad and the fact they are throwing to a guy with glass shins once a week and he's STILL on the team just further makes me feel like Gibbs is lost it after all of that time away.

The Skins offense wasted a superb day on the defensive side of the ball. Green Bay came out "swinging" the second half and the offense couldn't take a punch just like they did against the Giants.

The Redskins remind me of the bully in school who beat up on the smaller kids but backed away from bigger kids.

They are so soft it's not even funny. They had the game, got punched in the nose, and said,"Oh sorry Mr. Favre! We didn't know that was you!"

They had the game won and gave it away.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | October 14, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness all of these injuries happened before the trade deadline on Tuesday, just in case somebody's injury is serious enough that they have to make a move.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Is it wrong for me to wish Gibbs pass away in his sleep. Saunders die in a car accident. And we have no choice but to have Williams be head coach with maybe Earnest Byner as OC

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"I like this Keithinator guy."

Bigfish,

Keith is a good guy, we post on the Wizards blog a lot. You should join us over there. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Keithanator,

What planet are you from dude? We have flat out thrown away 2 games. We should be 5-0. This isn't baseball. You play 16 games and can't afford to throw away any of them like we have.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

What about this take???

Would we feel different if we went to Lambeau and got our lunch handed to us?? What if we lost 31-10?? I would be more afraid for the rest of the season if that had happened.

Right now, we went on the road to one of the toughest places to play. Yes , we threw up all over ourselves. However, at least those mistakes are ones that can (hopefully) be corrected. If we had gotten blown out, we would KNOW that this team is not ready for primetime. This way, we know we can play in tough places ( GB and Philly )

OK....I have officialy changed my name to RoseColorGLasses !!!!

Posted by: Reppin TX | October 14, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

You don't seriously expect St. Joe to call out a player in front of the media, do you? I mean, come on. What purpose will that serve other than to ameliorate a handful of fans? He'll call them out in private. Santana was healthy at the end of the game and standing on the sidelines. That should tell you everything you need to know about what St. Joe thought about Moss's performance.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the manic responses. Yes I'm pulling my hair out but 3-2 is NOT 0-5. We have a winning record. And I think most of us picked them at 10-6 or 9-7. We're on track for that.

Calling for the heads of every person after every loss is makes no sense. We're not NO or STL or Carolina or ATL or SF. We could end up like them but right now we're in the mix and have to play mistake free more often than most teams to achieve victory but so be it.

Plus I'm feeling better watching the Cowpukes getting manhandled by the Patriots who are clearly Pod People from Planet Robot.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Would we feel different if we went to Lambeau and got our lunch handed to us?? What if we lost 31-10?? I would be more afraid for the rest of the season if that had happened.

Posted by: Reppin TX | October 14, 2007 04:38 PM


At least then it would feel like we lost to a better team.

Now we feel like we lost because Gibbs is an idiot

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Ray - I'll be on the Wizards blog in due time after the season starts. Thanks for the invite.

Cowgirlz are looking horrid. For all who can watch, it will make you feel better to see it. TO must have eaten his popcorn before the game with extra butter. Already dropped a pass. Randy Moss already has a TD catch. If it keeps going like this then TO will definitely blow his top today.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Sorry - The comment to Ray at 4:39 was me.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

4:37 - that was very morbid, but hysterical.

The blame goes all around today. Moss, Sellers (3rd down drop), Portis, etc.

But I still can't get over the coaching. This is ANOTHER 2nd half loss, folks. Jasno, go ahead and update your article from last week. I mean, Gibbs specifically, seems out of it. Clock management. Play calling. Having Gregg Williams brief you on the sideline about what's going on. Failing to call a play that puts the ball passed the line of scrimmage on the 4th down play. I mean, you didn't even give your team a shot on that chicken shart call.

We should be 5-0 and it makes me sick that we're not. I really hope Gibbs just goes away after this season.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

At least then it would feel like we lost to a better team

Posted by: | October 14, 2007 04:39 PM

OK...doesn't this make us a good team??

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

what happened to Cooley in the second half? do we think that gb's defense adjusted or were the plays just not called for him?

Posted by: realchica | October 14, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Someone want to check Moss and Rogers lockers for a Packers jersey? These two were pathetic today.

Maybe with a little more experience Gibbs will begin to master this clock management thing...If I hadn't watched this guys's resume for the past 25 years I would swear he had never coached during the last 5 minutes of a game in his life.

There are bright spots on this team but they are simply not ready yet.

Posted by: marksmen99 | October 14, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

News about next week's opponent

Arizona starting quarterback Kurt Warner sprained his left elbow in the first quarter against Carolina on Sunday, and his return was questionable.
Warner made his first start in place of Matt Leinart, who is out for the season with a broken collarbone.
Warner got hurt on a sack by Carolina defensive end Julius Peppers midway through the first quarter. Warner fumbled on the play, and Peppers recovered.
Tim Rattay, signed last week as Arizona's only backup, replaced Warner.

Posted by: Cindy | October 14, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Ray,

Thanks for the props, dude. I troll this board a lot, but almost never post (I'm likin' our Wiz, too!), even though I'm a fanatical 'Skins fan. I don't have the time for both, so I stay with the Wiz, since there are so many on this board.

I don't know why, but I'm not really down after the game. The D looked great, the offensive I believe will come around. And again, Campbell is the key. He looks fantastic, especially for a guy who hasn't even started a season's worth of games yet.

Posted by: Keithinator | October 14, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Ok, this is God speaking. Just calm down everyone. The 'Skins will go 10-6 and make a run in the playoffs this year. I won't tell you any more, but that should be enough for you to stop pinging me with prayers asking why the Skins can't hold onto a 2nd half lead.
Have a nice week.
Love,
God

Posted by: God | October 14, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I realize the emotion....I realize the that we made WWWWAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY too many mistakes... HOWEVER....

At the beginning of the year, when we all played the " Win-Loss-Win-Loss " game with the schedule, did anyone say " AT LAMBEAU FIELD--WIN--NO DOUBT "

Me thinks that we all said, " probably a loss'. Agreed, it is frustrating to let a win slip away, but let's all get off the edge

Posted by: Reppin TX | October 14, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Have a nice week.
Love,
God

Amen!!! Halelujah !!!

Posted by: Reppin TX | October 14, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Ok, this is God speaking. Just calm down everyone. The 'Skins will go 10-6 and make a run in the playoffs this year. I won't tell you any more, but that should be enough for you to stop pinging me with prayers asking why the Skins can't hold onto a 2nd half lead.
Have a nice week.
Love,
God


Posted by: God | October 14, 2007 04:47 PM

God...please take Gibbs away from us. Thanks.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Those of you on Gibbs back, you also griped about picking up Campbell and out much it cost in draft picks. I got two letters for you. F and U.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Spurrier vs Gibbs 2.0

Who's better?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

We need another bye week.

Posted by: Larry | October 14, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

LMGO bangkokben. *giggle*

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

one minute lloyd sucks, next minute moss does, next minute portis does, all you f**ks who complain let it f**kin go. I'm just as pissed as you are, but when moss and portis score next week you'll all be standing up and cheering, because thats the way you are. F u all, stay OFF the bandwagon and stop hating on the players you are supposedly so devoted to........p.s game management is a serious issue.(Fix because if it were, we might be 5-0)

Posted by: coach r | October 14, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Those of you on Gibbs back, you also griped about picking up Campbell and out much it cost in draft picks. I got two letters for you. F and U.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 04:51 PM

I will say this, just because he may have hit on J Camp....that doesn't erase all of the critical errors and mismanagement that has occured over 4 yrs.

Posted by: Reppin TX | October 14, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

If you're going to post comments about the coach, please have the potatoes to use your name.
I stand by my preseason prediction: they go 9-7, get into the playoffs, win one and lose one.

Posted by: Cindy | October 14, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The truly sickening thing about this week is that Redskins will be 3rd place now in NFC East after giants win Monday night.

Before long, Eagles will step it up and we will be back where we belong...last place.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Well, since we're not gonna get another bye, for today, I'd settle for Tom Brady diggin' in that cowpoke behind.

Dear God,

I promise I will no longer hate Tom Brady with the intensity that dealer hates BBM if he crushes the pokes today. Ok?

Ever faithful,


JustMe :-)

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Pats - 14
Girlz - 0

Suddenly I don't feel as bad.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

You do know Patriots are coming to town to demolish Gibbs 2.0 right.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous posters are gutless. ITA.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

TO's face looks swollen all the time, and has for the past year or so. Am I the only one who thinks he's on HGH? LOL

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Anonymous, the game against the Pats is in New England.

Posted by: Cindy | October 14, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous posters are gutless. ITA.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 04:57 PM


Oh like someone named bigfish is not anonymous on the net...seriously.

post your full name and street address first before you call someone anon.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

So, here we are..............

3-2....Dallas is getting spanked, so they could be 5-1. NYG go to Hot-lanta tomorrow, even if they win, they go to 4-2.

Hmmmm...it looks like we are rightin the mix of everything. Let's calm down. Think about the positive.... Campbell still played well, with all of the drops. Defense played well again, Sean-Tay was all over the place...we stared down the " ferocious Green Bay Packers" and took them to the 4th qtr.

No doubt, there are some things to fix, but, it is not terrible. It has been terrible here before....think Spurior, think early Marty, think other Gibbs 2.0 seasons.

Posted by: Reppin TX | October 14, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Anonymous, the game against the Pats is in New England.

Posted by: Cindy | October 14, 2007 04:58 PM


Does that make it any better for Gibbs 2.0?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

For today only:

F Moss...simply a horrendous game

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

bigfish,

I don't. They are losing to the best team in football. A team we'll lose 63-0 to.

Good teams don't give away games the way we do. I can't even count the amount of games we've given away since Gibbs came back on 2 hands... it's way more than that and that is SICKENING

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

***Bonehead move of the week***

I started Kurt Warner instead of McNabb or Garrard on my fantasy team this week. DOH!!

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Dear God,

Thank you for the Patriot Pod People from Planet Robot.

Also please talk to the spirits of the land, air, earth and sky and let them know the name isn't intended to be derogatory and we're really really trying to find a way to change it.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so this is what if feels like when a team works out its growing pains.

They grow. Slowly.

We suffer pain.

I have to admit I had this game pegged as an L on my season prediction chart.

I am now officially very concerned about the former offensive line, which is now to be found on the IR. Wade, then Heyer today. Who's left, for crying out loud?

Posted by: sieskani | October 14, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

4 of 5 Oline starters out, 6 Oline in all... season over.

Posted by: monkalicious | October 14, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Awful, just awful, awful, awful, awfully awful.

F Injuries
F S. Moss
F Dropped Passes
F Dropped Int's.

F Chris Larry

Posted by: Skinz | October 14, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Weird Al's play calling was an absolute joke...

why were we not pounding....

please no more reverses...they never ever...ever ever ever work

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Pats' pasting of Cowboys does set the table perfectly for a big upset in New England....
But I don't think it'll happen.
The lack of second-half intensity is indeed troubling. They're great when Gibbs is fired up (usually after a bye).

Posted by: Cindy | October 14, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

It was fun while it lasted. We will be 8-8 at best with all of the injuries and our horrendous coaching staff.

Bye bye season tickets. Hello 1k more dollars and "visiting team" returns.

F U SNYDER

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh like someone named bigfish is not anonymous on the net...seriously.

post your full name and street address first before you call someone anon.

Posted by: | October 14, 2007 04:58 PM

First - I'm not totally anonymous up here because they're are a couple of people who actually know my name and where I live but if it makes you happy, my name is Trevor Vincent Brown and I live at 3112 Yeltes, Grand Prairie, TX. Send me a ham sandwich when you get a chance.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I support Gibbs all the way. If half of the passes that were dropped had been caught we would have been in a completely different situation late in the 4th quarter. And, I won't even go into the fumbles. However, I stand by my team. Win, lose, whatever. I am going to catch serious sh*t at the office tomorrow because I am an obnoxious (sp?) fan that loves my Skins!!!

If we win - Hail!!!
If we lose - Hail!!!

God bless football season and God bless my Skins!!!

Nowm if you will excuse me I am off to drink away my sorrows...

Hail!!!

Posted by: JC in NC | October 14, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse


Oh like someone named bigfish is not anonymous on the net...seriously.

post your full name and street address first before you call someone anon.

Posted by: | October 14, 2007 04:58 PM

************************************

F you, Douchebagx5. You made almost the same exact statement at the beginning of the week.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I am kind of looking forward to the Patriots game. It will be a good contrast of watching a well coached team like the Patriots vs. the poorly managed team like the Redskins.

We will see how much better belichek prepares his team than Gibbs

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

No kidding. That 4th down pass wasn't even beyond the line of scrimmage. That is flat out unacceptable.

What also is unacceptable is the Space Cowboy wandering the sideline wondering what is going on. He has to hold briefings like the President where people try to tell him that yes, he's in Green Bay, and yes, he's coaching a professional football team.

And stop saying how proud you are. It doesn't work, Joe. Welcome to 2007 and Earth!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

HI

Posted by: Unknown | October 14, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey, normally i got thick skin, but after that loss i am sensative...


can we not f me today?

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Well, how are things working out up there with your HOF coach????

IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Od Ball Coach | October 14, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

damn....the defense was so good...this was a devestating loss.....

The drops were devestating...u gotta support JC.....

the off play calling in 2nd half was a joke....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Lost interest in your asswhippin' already? LOL

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Did I just hear that right? Vinny Testaverde is starting for Carolina?

Oh man.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

dallas luck strikes again......

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Brady's pi$$ed. Cowgirlz just made him fumble and scored. Look for him to launch an all out attack now.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

worst post game show ever on comcast.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

sfskin - yes, Vinny is starting. Haven't really noticed how he's doing yet but I have Steve Smith on my fantasy team and he's caught 5 passes for 50 yds already.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

The execution was worse than the play calling. We didn't protect the ball so we didn't win. It's really that simple.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

New policy in the nation's capital: fire the head coach after every loss. That should work.

I don't disagree with the fact the Joe Gibbs didn't win the game for us. But to put all the blame on him is just stupid. I'm sure it's his fault that Wade, Heyer, and Rabach got injured. It is prolly his fault that Moss and Portis fumbled, all the dropped passes including B. Lloyd's at the goal line and that the secondary didn't hold on to a few INTs. Your right fire the guy. Start over then we can expect 4-12 and be happy with it.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Boy your offense stinks! You sure turn yellow in the second half! Get yourselves a lead, then proceed to blow it just like you did with the Giants! Ha! Ha! Ha!

How many times have you guys done that? Well, sorry you're not ready to play up here with the big boys. Maybe next year! Not!

Posted by: PackerBacker | October 14, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Amen bangkokben!

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Packerbacker,

We've blown two, you one...so far.

Find another backer to packer you s o b.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Completely agree, the players lost this game, not the coaches. Play calling wasn't that bad, dropped passes, fumbles, dropped INT's especially the one from Taylor that would have been a touchdown. None of it matters, season rides on the health og the O line, and you all know how that is going.

Posted by: monkalicious | October 14, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

JustMe

i agree execution was abysmal

butt the offensive play calling was a joke

- Portis was running well, we went away from it....

- Not running on a 3rd and 1...thats a statement down

- not coming out of half with a power football plan is a joke

- on 4th down you gotta have plays called that get two yards

- the WR reverse is the worst play of all the 700 plays. It never works, and its a wasted play...that was second in short hand the ball off and establish yoself! No need for gimmick

- With our oline in shambles we continues to have a pass first menatality allowing d to tee off....

- where was cooley in 2nd haldf?!?!?1 they couyldnt stop him...yet we went away from him

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

PackerBacker is a fake Packers fan. Probably a regular or a regular anon poster.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

wow moss was bad today......

the wr's let down JC so bad....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The only problem with the play calling was running a 1 yd route on 4th and 2.

I hope Coach Joe isn't giving the "fought their guts out speech"! I hope he calls them out behind closed doors. This was absurd.

Posted by: DS | October 14, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

i guess i stand corrected....the wr reverse was a good call...can anyone name one time that play has done anything more positive than 4 yard gain?

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I *always* think the reverse is a bad call. I can never defend that one. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

offensive play calling bad, is Al calling the plays Joe wants, not what Al would call?

Drop the reverse, bring back the bubble screen. If is 3rd/4th and short call a play that gets 3 yds not 1.

I think the running game got worse because of all the injuries

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 14, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Tom Brady up the middle for 3 on 4th and one. Love the call. Next play touchdown. That's how to play on the road.

Speaking of our 4th and 2, wasn't that a horrible spot? Looked like Cooley got within a yard on 3rd down.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Bill Cowher next year...repeat after me Bill Cowher next year.

AND

We will have a couple of draft picks to use for Cowher.

Gibbs fade away like a bad memory.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Looks like I'm on my own here. Off to bed. HTTR!

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

How long did it take Cowher to establish a SB team with the Steelers? F Cowher!

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

F bill cohwer...will be another money grab bust move

anon posters are always dueche bags...

Say it with me...Grimm!!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, bigfish. I don't understand why anyone would want Cowher. Sorry, but I'd prefer not to have to wait another 15 years for a Super Bowl, and he hasn't proven he can do it anymore quickly than that.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Say it with me...Grimm!!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 05:53 PM

Grimm!!!!!

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Cowher, Shmowher.

Posted by: Cindy | October 14, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Marty back than Cowher. Even he could win a SB in less time than it took Cowher. Problem is no one ever gives him the time including Dan Snyder and especially the Chargers.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

This game disgusted me! The defense played tremendous, but once again the offense looked like crap. Campbell played well, but I've never seen Moss play so bad. And its not only this game, he lead the team in drops coming into today. I'm sick...

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 14, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

day just keeps on getting better....cowboys climbing back.....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

unbelievable

Posted by: Jason | October 14, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think Santana gets the Shawn Springs treatment once the season is over (unless he turns it on and starts performing at '05 season levels)? The injuries and the poor performance so far this season are leading me to believe he'll be offered a pay cut or else kinda deal.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

bang,

the officiating was dreadful. honestly, I think they are the worst crew in the NFL.

the spot you are referring to was awful. it looked like the side judge marked the spot as if Cooley stepped out of bounds, but he wasn't even close. it was more like 2 inches, not 2 yards. awful.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Thank the lawd for LT on my fantasy team. Still winning even with Warner hurt and no QB.

BTW - LT just moved by Riggo in all time rushing TD's.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I'd say forget the pay cut and just do the "or else" part.

Posted by: Jeff | October 14, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch the Comcast post game show? I just read on another site that he asked to be taken out of the game because he was hurting the team. Did anyone else see that?

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby,

It nice to see we agree on something. Maybe a make up call on the push out. Said I was off to bed but have to be up in 30 minutes, better just stay up.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

he = Santana

Hard to answer if I don't say who I'm talking about. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

It's only our 5th game. Let's see where Santana is ata the end of the year. It's still too early to tell. I tend to think that he can't do any worse than he did today. As a matter of fact our whole offense can't do any worse than it did today so I'm still positive about this season. We WILL make the play-offs this year and that is all that I ask. If our O-line is healthy by then there is no telling how far we can go.

***2005 Steelers***

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

yea, shut up bigfish. like YOU aren't anonymous. haha, right. everyone here is anonymous, with the exception of JLac, and maybe cindy, but probably not. and having blind loyalty to gibbs doesnt make you a better skins fan than me. that is like saying if you dont support the president you can't be patriotic. come on guys, open your eyes. get rid of gibbs, portis, and moss. williams HC 2008

Posted by: A Redskin Fan | October 14, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Troy Aikman rivals randy Cross as one of the worst commentators of all time. He is f'n brutal.

Explain how we can have offensive and defensive pass interference by the same two players. One interfered first, which I believe was the defensive guy. Thrash was trying to shake loose from the guy who was HOLDING him.

Posted by: cosmofla | October 14, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

our offensive game plan is horrendous. so predictable, so 1940's.

without the safety, the pick six, and the Thrash punt return, we would have scored under 20 again last week. this week, 14. the week before Detroit, 17.

what is with this offense? I know we've had injuries, but Gibbs coaches like we're back in the civil war era, which coincidentally was the last time Gibbs knew his name or whereabouts.

Posted by: ricky bobby | October 14, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse

BigFish
Moss is my favorite receiver, but the problem is he's been struggling since the start of the season. He missed games last year and was not a factor in so many others, makes you wonder if he's gotten a little too confident after the 2005 season.

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 14, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Prediction for rest of the year

Arizona W 4-2
NE L 4-3
Jets W 5-3
Philly L 5-4
Dallas L 5-5
Tampa Bay L 5-6
Buffalo W 6-6
Chicago W 7-6
Giants L 7-7
Minnesota W 8-7
Dallas L 8-8

Best case scenario is 8-8 to me.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

JustMe,

Moss asking out boggles my mind. I can't believe Gibbs stands for this crap. RB's make their own substitutions, your best WR bows out down 3 instead of wanting to stay out there and make up for his mistakes. I blame this on leadership and the obvious communication issues on the sideline.

bang,

where do you live again? germany? I feel bad you stayed up for that crap.

cosmo,

Aikman was really pissing me off today. he said he couldn't find holding on the TD that was called back because of holding. Are you serious? Daniels clearly got held, you dope!!!!!!

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

cosmofla
Exactly what I was thinking. What kind of call was that? Horrible, Woodson initiated the contact!

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 14, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

can we stop with the w/l projections and the pregame score predictions....so dumb

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Anon,

I agree 100% on your predictions. This is why I hate when people try to take positives away from these games we flat out give away. HELLO! You only play 16 of them. The Giants and Pack games are the difference between 10-6 and 8-8 and out of the playoffs.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Skins will beat Tampa Bay and Minnesota. I give them 9-7 or 10-6 if they can avoid horrendous play like today.

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 14, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs wasted first 3 years of his return with Brunell.

By the time he actually has a QB, the offensive line got a little bit long in the tooth and injuries are starting to pile up.

Gibbs problem is his loyalty to players who had good seasons in the past...that's why Brunell got so many chances. Thats why Jansen got a huge contract extension when most thought he was on the decline. Thats why he refused to bench Moss even though he was dropping every single pass thrown in his direction.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

hmmm...seems to me i wouldn't mind jansen starting right about now.............................................

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I thank God for my briefing team of Gregg, Ernest, and Al UP THERE in the booth. They get with me before every big play and tell me that I am the coach of a professional football team and ask me to make a decision. Sometimes I do, sometimes I just look back and them and stare like a deer in head lights. Let us pray.

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 14, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Skins will beat Tampa Bay and Minnesota. I give them 9-7 or 10-6 if they can avoid horrendous play like today.

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 14, 2007 06:19 PM


There is zero evidence that the skins will avoid horrendous play against good teams. Pretty much remaining games are all against good teams with the exception of Jets, Bills, Bears, and Vikings.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm in Thailand, it's 521 am. I hate Aikman. I wish LaVar would come in to the both like Terry Tate office LB.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

here come cowboys......

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I thank God for my briefing team of Gregg, Ernest, and Al UP THERE in the booth. They get with me before every big play and tell me that I am the coach of a professional football team and ask me to make a decision. Sometimes I do, sometimes I just look back and them and stare like a deer in head lights. Let us pray.

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 14, 2007 06:21 PM


Hey Joe...were you actually awake in the fourth quarter. Seems like it was past your bed time.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs has blown more 2nd half leads than any coach in the NFL since his return. That is flat out atrocious, especially for a guy nicknamed "Mr. 2nd half adjustment". The NFL should meet with Gibbs and remind him that he's not Neil Armstrong, officially strip him of this BS nickname, and remove his bust in Canton.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

True, whose to say they won't play like that again.

LOL @ comment by "Joe Gibbs"

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 14, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs 2.0 is like when the Wizards signed the 40 year old Michael Jordan

Just doesn't have it anymore.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

RB...strip bust from canton, c'mon now that is silly.....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Anon,

I was awake, but barely. Wait a minute, I did catch a quick nap at the half, but that's okay, right? I mean, I am Mr. Second Half Adjustment. We don't lose 2nd halftime leads. You know, if you checked the stats since my return you will probably see that we are the best team at holding half time leads... err

P.S. did you see me get angry OVER THERE in the first half? I called a play Bull poop, he he he

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 14, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Worst case scenario is the Cowboys winning this game.

The 'skins losing to good teams is not as bad as losing their offensive line. Forever, the 'skins O has lived and died on the O-line. Get healthy; get wins.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

The players on the offensive side of the ball don't fear losing their jobs, so they are generally undisciplined and don't always put forth their best effort. The guys on the defensive side of the ball know that if they don't do what Grilliams expects of them, they will be looking for a new team.

For that reason, Grilliams taking over after Gibbs wouldn't be a bad thing.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I feel like a battered wife right now. I hate them, but I love them so much...

Posted by: Go Skins Go | October 14, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

I know. I'm just angry.

But I do think Gibbs has been flat out awful in his return. The only time I thought he actually had his mental state was during our 5 game stretch at the end of '05. But then the guy takes all that momentum and changes all the personnel and hands over the play calling... awful.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

RB,

I love Jasno's answer to your chat question. Do you over react to everything? I understand your passion but rarely your point of view.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Williams find a way to get the most of his players. I mean even the defensive line. Every expert keep ripping on the D-Line but Williams has his guys playing well.

Gibbs find ways for his players to underachieve on the offensive side. I mean why would they do their best...even when you are Brunell who couldn't hit a barn, he kept his starting job week after week.

Portis has fumbled every week last 3 weeks. Betts has found way to lose yards whenver Redskins absolutely need to get a first down. Now Moss find a way to lose the game for us.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Haven't seen the game, read the play-by-play and I'm pretty disappointed.

At the start of the year, we had a big list of all the players we needed to step up, and to be honest, I don't think many people named CP or Santana, mostly because we expected them to perform. But right now, it seems as though they're the guys letting us down.

Posted by: kost52 | October 14, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

JustMe,

Tell me about it. Gibbs treats them like kids (actually worse than kids) and calls their performances heroic, like they just saved a life or fought over in Iraq or something. Even kids are told they have done wrong when they do something wrong.

Gibbs is too soft for this league now. To to make matters worse, he thinks he's in the back yard sipping iced tea while Pat brings him his slippers and a snack.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

LOL @ GoSkins

If Warner doesnt play next week against the Skins, that COULD be a potential win if they learn how to catch and hold on to the ball again. And where is Betts at? He's getting less and less carries, and it's not like Portis has been dominating.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

bang,

I'm definitely more of a realistic person, but a lot of my comments are made in jest. Honest to god. My way to vent is often to add some humor into it. It seems like drama or overreacting, and sometimes it is, but most of the time it's just my way to unwind.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

LOL @ GoSkins

If Warner doesnt play next week against the Skins, that COULD be a potential win if they learn how to catch and hold on to the ball again. And where is Betts at? He's getting less and less carries, and it's not like Portis has been dominating.

Posted by: | October 14, 2007 06:36 PM


Anytime Redskins need a MUST HAVE first down...you will find Betts.. Losing yards in the backfield

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Anon,

Great point. The old rotation at RB isn't working out like we thought it would, eh? I don't think either player can get comfortable when you are splitting time. Add Sellers to the mix and it makes even more difficult.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

c'mon pats...salvage the day (to a degree...)

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Well they need to give Betts more than one carry at a time. And I know I didn't just read that Moss took himself out. For some reason I don't believe that. If that's the case, dock him on his pay. He could of atleast been a decoy for the rest of the game by running 9 routes all day.

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 14, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping they salvage mine, too, CL. My brat had already been having like a demon's spawn all day. After the game, I didn't think my day could get much worse. Then, my ex-husband showed up unannounced and out of the blue (for the first time in months), banging on the door. I need some joy today.

If the pukes win this game, I won't be able to leave my house this week. *sigh*

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Skins are soft fumblers. Girls.

Gibbs is a cliche machine. His pressers are a complete and total waste of time.

Oh...Gibbs is also disingenious bordering on dishonest. He takes us all for absolute fools.

Cards a must win or the wheels come off. Offensive line is now shot to Hades, so prayers up fore them. Chum in the water for Def. Coor. looking at us.

Offensive shut down entire 2nd half just like Giants game. And we're 2nd best in the NFC?! Fools gold.

Posted by: GAD | October 14, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

the killer about today was that they made unforgivable mistakes, coupled with sqaundered lead and wasted a good defensive effort on the road...

crushing mistakes:

- double moves missed tackle that lead to first score

- the composite of drops

- moss deflecting ball for JCs int

- moss fumble

- moss dropping sure big gamer that ensures at least tie

- sellers drop on third and two

- failing to have proper 4th down play called

I will give sean-tay a pass b/c he played well and did get two picks, one of which gave us ball back late...

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"yea, shut up bigfish. like YOU aren't anonymous."

I gave my full name and address to everyone. Do you want my phone # too so you can call me and talk it out. You can even go to the wiki to see my picture. Don't know how much less anonymous you want me to be. It's not like I'm giving up my social, my Visa card # or paying for your plane ticket to TX so you can come visit.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

yeah hate betts too

re moss and cp I love them both but moss is hurt and cp has no line infront

I was saying that if you are going to bench cp then don't come back with betts neither

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Dropped passes, dropped interceptions and fumbles killed us.

I was sceptical of signing Keenan McCardell, but I don't think he had dropped any passes thrown to him since becoming a Redskin. Start him instead of Santana. If someone is injured and can not produce they should not have a chance to hurt the team.

Jason Campbell is going to be one heck of a quarterback. The outcome of this game would have been completely different if those missed catches were caught!

Clinton has not been very good so far this year.....too many fumbles. Give Ladell a chance. Let's see what he can do and maybe that will motivate CP to step up his game!

I am a die hard fan and truely believe this team can do something. They have to play every minute of every game. If they do, they will be scary!

Posted by: Candy | October 14, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Shocker! Ricky Bobby is off the charts..AGAIN.

Ricky whatever, Gibbs is not calling the plays....Saunders is the offensive playcaller. Get over yourself.

Posted by: Lisa | October 14, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

At least we get another bye week....when we play Pats...


Wow they are good....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Go Pats (for once)!

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

The Patties *are* good, kick coverage aside (yikes!).

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

That's CRAP! What does an injury have to do with you catching the damn ball? Unless it's an injury to your hands there's no excuse. Give me a freaking break, so if I hurt my hand does that mean I can't run?

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 14, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Our pass D has given up 2 passing TD's in 5 games (all season so far). I for one am still optimistic that we can beat anyone including the Pats. Spit vitriol and hate me as much as you want but we will be in the play-offs.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Moss did take himself out. He tweaked the hammy and, besides, he was having a horrendous day.

Posted by: Cindy | October 14, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

i love ya big fish, but enough...just take the games 1 at a time....enough bragging enough predictions...

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

He should of taking himself out in the first quarter than since he has that much power to dictate how much he plays.

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 14, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm feeling like you, bigfish. I'm now completely confident in the D. I don't sense a relapse to last year's form. If we can find some way to patch up that line a little better, I think we'll be okay. If we have receives who get the dropsies, Gibbs/Weird Al just have to rotate in others more quickly than they've been willing to do thus far.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

So what was it today, 4 fumbles? 4 or 5 last week as well? It's just not good enough. The Offense needs to toughen up and play like men. Maybe they should let Area 51 do some hitting in practice until they start holding onto the ball.

Posted by: kost52 | October 14, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Colin (He's So) Fly of the AP wrote it and so did our Jasno:
Santana Moss came close to choking up as he flashed back on his seven-year career after his horrible afternoon Sunday at Lambeau Field, and came to the conclusion that this was in fact his worst outing in the NFL. Moss, a Pro Bowl receiver who set Washington's single-season receiving mark in 2005 and is revered for his highlight-reel catches, had played far too big a role in the Redskins' 17-14 loss to the Packers, and he readily admitted it.
Moss's fumble on a reverse in the third quarter was returned 57 yards for the game-winning touchdown. He had uncharacteristic drops Sunday, including a botched 30-yard reception one drive after fumbling. Moss never played again in the game, with Coach Joe Gibbs attributing this absence to varying factors including health, and Moss saying he pulled himself from the game because of the recurrence of a hamstring problem. He did not make a catch -- Green Bay corner Al Harris shadowed him closely -- and his second-half demise mirrored that of the entire offense as the Redskins blew a 14-7 halftime lead.
"I can blame the rain, I can blame it on whatever, but what it comes down to is, point blank, I've just got to make those plays regardless of the situation," Moss said. "I've been that player before. I can say that I've had one of those games that I never seen myself having, but if I want to blame anybody I'll blame myself."
Moss last week's game against Detroit with a groin injury, and he also missed much of the offseason with groin and abdominal problems. He practiced all week of last week and started the game, playing regularly until the second half. Gibbs said that Moss chatted with the trainers after falling on his backside during the game, but said after the game he would have to consult the trainers about any possible concerns with Moss. Moss said that after his hamstring cramped on him he felt it was in the team's best interest for healthier teammates to take his spot.
"It just had me so upset," Moss said of his hamstring, "that I just couldn't afford to let the team down anymore than I already did."
Gibbs said: "We were trying to get guys in there to make plays and things. I'll have to check with the trainer as far as health-wise."
Moss was angry with himself for his fumble perhaps more than anything else. The Redskins led 14-10 at the time and had been moving the ball well ("You've got to secure the ball," he said). Moss has just 12 catches for 199 yards and no touchdowns this season, and hopes his season will take a turn for the better.
"You can either do two things," Moss said. "Run away from it, or you can take it head on and go at it next time and try to be better."

Posted by: Cindy | October 14, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Santana said after the game that he was feeling strange...and his game was off...so he thought he would give someone else a chance to see if they could make plays. Did not want to hurt the team. Personally, I thought it was very humble of him.

Posted by: Lisa | October 14, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

CL - I understand where you're coming from but seeing what this D has to offer and the potential of this offense, I just can't imagine anything otherwise. I agree with the day to day (week to week) analysis but this overall team has too much talent/potential for me not to recognize the obvious especially in the NFC these days.

Thanks JustMe!

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Cindy
The problem is that he's been dropping passes since game 1. And now it's getting worse. He's my favorite player, but it's getting irritating watching him drop passes or standing on the sidelines because of injury. He left the game because his confidence was shot, I dont care what other excuses there are.

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 14, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

yeah hate betts too

re moss and cp I love them both but moss is hurt and cp has no line infront

I was saying that if you are going to bench cp then don't come back with betts neither

Justme, brady hater no more?!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

It's so disappointing, that coming into the season, it was the Defense which had a big question mark over it, not so much the offense.

Can't give enough credit to the defense, they're getting to the QB, they're causing turnovers, keeping scores to a minimum. Good work fellas.

Posted by: kost52 | October 14, 2007 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree more dealer. If CP can't get it done then Betts is doomed for sure. Our season rests on the health and performance of this O-line right now.

Pats with an INT!!

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I like this projection game. I project that with two minutes left in the cardinals game there will be a commercial with a really stupid premise. All these projections make me sad.

Flat out we suck. If there is any I can take out of it, it's that so far this year no one has beaten us. Unfortunately we have beaten ourselves twice. More unfotunate is that unlike other teams that beat us.....we will always be there to SJK ourselves week in and week out.

Posted by: Skinz | October 14, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

The O-Line's health explains the low YPC, but it doesn't let them off the hook for putting the ball on the ground. It's not good enough.

Posted by: kost52 | October 14, 2007 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I love getting Lisa's granny panties in a bunch. Heck, the darn thing is probably so big you could use it as a parachute.

Who here is watching NE run out the clock? Clear running downs yet they have 2 or 3 WR's split out.

Note to Gibby, that is how you do it, grandpa! You can't jam everyone in at the line and expect to shove it down their throats on obvious running situations. This isn't the mid 80's. You don't have 2, 3, 4 of your offensive lineman.

HA, NE just threw it for a 1st down. Gibby would kill himself before he threw it to close out a game.

P.S. Lisa, are you sure Saunders is calling the plays? He only gets between the 40's, so get over YOURSELF, granny

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Where am I? Who am I?

Posted by: General Stockdale/Joe Gibbs | October 14, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Defense won this game for us--Gibbs and the offense (except JC) lost it for us. Makes me sick I stayed up to watch it and had to come back into work with no sleep! However, HAIL!!

Posted by: NC ICU RN | October 14, 2007 7:45 PM | Report abuse

The Pod People Patriots are flat out scary. They're like the Terminator. You can shoot them full of holes and they keep coming and coming.

That being said woohoo! They beat the Cowpaddies in a pretty decisive fashion. So that salvages the day a bit.

And that being said I've decided to take a trip into complete coo-coo land and say that Miami is going to beat them next week.

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Ahh. It's official. Cowgirlz lose. The day is not all a loss after all. We'll be back in the glory peeps. Relax!

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Run 40 gut behind Grimm!!!!!!

What's that? Grimmy doesn't play anymore up here???

Then run Riggo behind Jacoby! Don't split any WR's out wide so all 12 defensive players can play in the box!!!!!!

Gosh, dag gum, we're courageous!

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 14, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

It was like this:

The defense played great... they reduced a Hall of Famer into a playground quarterback, throwing errant lobs. We could have had at least five picks, but having two against Favre and holding him to 188 yards on 37 throws with no GB running game was huge. Sure, Taylor dropped some, but he was always THERE. Stingy, nasty stuff. I would have liked to see at least a couple blitzes to shake things up... soon opposing O's will catch on to William's 4-man front. Splendid effort overall.

O-line. While losing Jansen and Thomas has admittedly been unlucky, the lack of Redskin-ready o-linemen drafted in early rounds and reared in the system is telling. Campbell was harassed all day and the vaunted Redskins running attack has all but vanished -in this game and in previous ones. NO Redskin runner has had a 100-yard game this season, I think, which is huge. We failed to refill the well, and are OLD up front - one of the reasons Jansen and Thomas are injured is because of their age. And Samuels missed some major blocking assignments in pass coverage due to slowness - usually his forte. He's a warrior, but is beginning the long, slow decline that comes with age. 'Filler' O-linemen just don't cut it. This area must be addressed in the next draft.

Campbell - brilliant, for the most part. It would have been a banner day against his fellow Mississipian had so many - reams & valleys full of balls - been dropped. He needs to develop a sense for throwing UPFIELD on third and fourth down though. He dinks too many behind the line of scrimmage and prays they will get the first down. Overall, though, this guy just keeps on getting better.

RBs
Hard to judge, given the O-line they have to run behind. Portis, despite a couple inspired runs, must hold on to the ball in crucial plays. His fumbles, in this and the Giants game, are arguably the reason we are 3-2 instead of 5-0. Either he is nursing an injury he's trying to cover up or being seriously injured last year (and subsequently worrying about his future) has taken a toll on him. His mojo is zero, and he looks scared and borderline freaked out on the sideline. Being a running back requires cockiness, hunger, a feeling of invulnerability, and he has none of that. Perhaps it is time to stick with Betts as the first option.

Wide receivers: Injuries have decimated them, so hard to say. But it is time that they get themselves a tall, stout fellow. Firstly, because Campbell is tall and is tailored for tall targets, but also because Randell El and Moss are small and fleet, but also fragile in this big man's game and, unsurprisingly, both injured.

Coaching. Defense is clicking, but time management is horrendous, despite a long history of horrendousness dating back to Roman times. The shortest distance between two points is from A-B, so why do they continue to heave the ball backwards and lateral on crucial 3rd and 4th down plays? Why do they have Campbell throw screens when they need to get a first down THERE. Why not take chances just throwing it THERE? Why not try a 49-yard field goal and go for it on 4th down, when your receivers are injured , can't catch colds, your o-line is filled with journeymen no one knows, your quarterback is being harassed constantly and your running backs have failed miserably on third down for several weeks in short yardage situations?

A mixed effort and one the Redskins should have won.

Posted by: Larry | October 14, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

What the helll do we do with the o-line? That's my biggest worry.
CP can dig deep and bounce out I think. Moss needs to be honest about his injury and figure out how he can best help us i.e. not play for a couple weeks and get well for division games.

But if our patchwork o-line can't pull it together it's going to be a giant mountain to climb for everyone especially the running game.

I feel like right now the most critical thing is the mental state of the offense particularly the line. Can Buges and the coaches get these guys to really pull it together and play way over their heads?

Posted by: sfskin | October 14, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

JC leads the league in fumbles with 4, Portis is equal second with three. And we've played a game less than most teams.

On the bright side of things, Soup's QB rating is 81.1

Andre Carter is tied for 11th in the league with 4 Sacks.

The Reaper is equal 1st with 4 INT's

Posted by: kost52 | October 14, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

kost,

I'm a stats guy too, but only when we win. I kind feel like John McClain after he shoots up the glass and they get mad at him despite the fact that there are terrorists chasing him around the building...

Stats, who gives a shart about stats...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby, not that its any of your business, but I am 5'2 and 105 lbs and do not wear granny panties.

Seriously....go back and read your many, many, CRAZY posts and see if you do not think you need SERIOUS meds.

Posted by: Lisa | October 14, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd is equal 296th with 1 Reception.

Funnily enough, some of the players he's tied with, include -

QB's - Drew Brees & Jon Kitna
LB - Mike Vrabel
OL - John St.Clair, Logan Mankins & Nick Mangold.

Posted by: kost52 | October 14, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby, she's lying. Lisa has a butt the size of Texas and I hate sliding on over that lard mass.

Posted by: Granny Panties | October 14, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

HA. I love how worked up you get. You need to lighten up a little. You know, loosen up those granny panties a tad...

HAAAAAAAA

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby, as I said before, I am a petite woman...something a crazed fatso like you would never understand.

Posted by: Lisa | October 14, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

The reaper should be leading the league in interceptions with 6. I could have easily caught the two he dropped.

Posted by: Candy | October 14, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, can you believe they were talking about using Taylor as a receiver last year? Well 2 out of five is still better than what the Skins receivers could accomplish.

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 14, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who gets worried by the Reaper's tendency to lateral the ball on INT returns?

Posted by: kost52 | October 14, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

(i like that name!) great recap. i agree mega on your point about the pitch backs...that was driving me crazy today, mind numbing!!!!!

on short yardage why are u starting 8 yards behind yard the line of scimmage!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

crazed fatso??? brilliant.

Lisa, I won't be as insecure as you are and post my "stats" on the blog, but let's just say that you could iron your granny panties off my stomach.

I liked the crazed part too. I wish you could how hard I'm laughing at that statement from YOU.

I am having fun up here. You are the one that gets worked up beyond the state of crazed. I hate to break this to you, but this is a freaking blog. Did you think you'd always share the same view point with people on here? Do you act this way at work when a co-worker has a different opinion of project idea?? Have you ever laughed one day in your life??????

Come on, lighten up.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Waaahhhhhh! Quit crying Deadskins! You season's over now, so you can start planning your O-line draft picks next year. Or maybe you can pick up a 1992 pro-bowl player. HA!

Posted by: PackerBacker | October 14, 2007 8:20 PM | Report abuse

kost,

I couldn't believe he did that. Ed Reed does it all the time too, and it has to drive the coaches crazy.

Don't get me wrong, great play by Taylor, but the lateraling part scares the crap out of me too.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

EIGHTEEN REASONS

1. The SNYDER BIG BUCKS system doesn't work. Sometimes the players either are over the hill or injury vulnerable (D. Sanders. B. Smith. S Moss, Portis, Brunell, etc,)

2. And sometimes the players take the big money and run (Arch, TWR, Trotter, B. Daddy, Stumblefield.) WIth SNYDER dodging the CAP by BIG signing bonuses, player, in effect have guaranteed contracts.

3. But sometimes they are internally motivated and produce. Randal El and er, um, okay...NOT ENOUGH

4. The TEAM can't evaluate people to draft with HIGH picks. Neither Taylor nor Double Move can catch the ball. Neither could Jacobs or Gardner. Arrington and Samuels disappointed considering how high they were picked.

5 Exceptions to THAT rule: Cooley, J. Campbell. TOO FEW Vinnie/Gibbs aint' Beatherd/Gibbs. What has changed?

6. The skins have NO DEPTH because they have wasted mid range picks in bad trades--Brunell, Duckett, etc, (see 5)

7 The Redskins, once renowned for SMART FOOTBALL now play dumb. Today, they didn't have the right parkas, the right shoes, the right cleats, or even knit hats when the game started, didn't' ANYONE call the dadgum weather service? Vinnie? DUH, it was 86 in Green Bay last week...prolly be the same this week.

8. How many muscle pulls were caused by weight training and conditioning and how many were caused by improper stretchwarm up and how many were caused by having the wrong shoes on, we'll never know. But HOW MANY TEAMS have as many guys with muscle issues?

9. THERE IS A CURSE: Otherwise Kili Lofotu wouldn't have picked this week to get busted.

10. The Redskins NEVER run misdirection on run plays.. What the hell happened to the Counter Trey? A fake would be nice now and then.

11.They NEVER change the tempo. Most good teams run a hurry up--not the whole game but to confuse the defense or wake up the offense. Not Ol' Joe. GB's hurry up drive at the end of the half provided the victory margin.

12. They never have a chance at a game changing kickoff return for a TD. God love Lil Cartwright. He won't fumble, but he's not fast enough to run one back. How's that sort of thing working out for Chicago?

13. And I HATE that stinking End around that cost the Redskins a TD today. It never worked before. It doesn't work NOW! It last worked in 1952.

14. JASNO said it first, I'll reiterate. They lose from ahead. They can't adjust at halftime. They lead the league since Joe's been back in blowing halftime leads--adding to it today.

15. They can't win in Redskin weather. I stopped counting drops (O&D) when it hit double figures. Gee, guess who can't catch in Green Bay? The Miami Guys...Yep put a freaking dome on FedEx, you gonna play like that, and petition to join the NFC South.

16 Who knew last year Betts season was a salary drive and not a breakout?

17. TIME MANAGEMENT still sucks. Beyond words.

18. The "It" factors. Dunno what it is, bnut they haven't had it since Joe left so so so long ago. He can't get it back. They got the band back together caand came up with Redaskin version of Blues Brother II, not Terminator II.

Posted by: CORKCZAR | October 14, 2007 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Justme, brady hater no more?!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 07:30 PM
*********************************

A deal's a deal. I still won't like him, though. :-)

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

lisa, that's not being humble that's being a loser. i'm really disappointed he did that. unless he was hurt and took himself out that is unforgivable.

no good player ever takes themselves out because he was having a bad game. did romo take himself out last week????? did brunell take himself out last year?????????????(rember Brunell and you were defending him for standing up for himself and calling czaben an idiot when czabe asked him the same thing to do what santana said he did. you can't have it both ways) . he better be lying. that's all i'm saying.

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

PackerBacker,

5-1 is 5-1, but you guys were lucky to beat us and the Eagles. The ball bounces the other way and you guys are 3-3.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who to blame?

* Al Saunders (#1 Culprit)

* Moss (For the play)

* Campbell (Accuracy in the mid-range isn't exact where he hits guys in the #s like a perfect pass should be)

But I would put this mainly on these 3 as the main ones in that order.

Question - Is it time for Gibbs to talk to Saunders about Redskins Football, AGAIN?? We are playing well, but we are not playing Redskins Football.....

Posted by: 4th | October 14, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone as Gibbs why he didn't kick the fieldgoal with 6+ minutes left in the game? I can't believe more people are not questioning this decision. They weren't moving the ball that great in the second half and left a chance to tie the game on the table. Not to mention blowing two timeouts and not challenging the spot of the ball, allowing a much easier shot at 4th down. I was flabbergasted by this coaching. They even had time to watchh the replays for minutes. Unacceptable.

Posted by: WildA | October 14, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

AP-

"Packers coach Mike McCarthy said the Redskins were the best team the Packers have played so far..."

Yes, I'm a homer. I'm going to glass-half-full on this one, guys.

1) The Packers are a good team.
2) The Redskins were on the road.
3) Conditions were bad.

For some reason, I am not as depressed about this loss like I usually am. Anyone else out there wanna help me with some positive vibes?

Posted by: SCSkins | October 14, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

thank you!

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else out there wanna help me with some positive vibes?

Posted by: SCSkins | October 14, 2007 08:26 PM

Yeah - Saints 7-0. Can't get much more positive about that. We're going to at least the play-offs.

***2005 Steelers***

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

To everyone defending the coaches, let's take a look at some things. To quote Chris Cooley on COMCAST post game "We can't have some of the drops and penalties, you just can't have that as an NFL team, it comes down to concentration and mental errors..."

Fact: Joe Gibbs loses games when his team leads at halftime, moreso than any team besides Oakland. He also LOSES close games, because he calls a very conservative game (or non-conventional plys) & waits for the other team make a mistake and more often than not his own team makes the mistake. You can't win like that anymore.

Fact: His clock management skills are documented as awful. His star players check themselves out of games. His teams rarely score more than 20 pts, very often they score less. His offensive philosophy merged with Al Saunders playbook is a disaster, especially in the second half. He wants to be smashmouth, but the majority of the top salaries for players are tied up in skill positions or defense, not in the offensive line. He trades away picks that other teams use to establish depth on both lines.

Fact: His offense gives up more touchdowns to opposing defenses than an any other in the league (highest in opponent defensive scoring) (over the 2.0 tenute).

Fact: The Redskins repeatedly lose the turnover battle, they drop passes, drop interceptions, can't recover fumbles, commit basic alignment and procedure/lllegal motion penalties that ruin field position and nullify long gains.

Fact: The Redskins are one of the most poorly conditioned teams in the entire NFL. They repeatedly top the charts for injuries related to strength and conditioning, especially hamstring and groin injuries that can be avoided through stretching.

Fact: Despite precticing outside, the Redskins struggle in rain and cold weather, as evidenced by the poor record late in the season each year. Much of this has to do with a poor mental outlook and often not preparing with equipment and planning for weather (look at all the slipping today in Greenbay)

When you compare this organization to others in the NFL it is a disgrace.

Posted by: Redskins- Not a Professional Organization | October 14, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

on short yardage why are u starting 8 yards behind yard the line of scimmage!!!!!!!

not only that but it was SLIPPERYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (YOU DUMB @SS IN THE BOOTH!!!!!!!!!) and lost 3 linemen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby, it's not the first time he's done it either, he's done it before, and the lateral was forward so he was penalised for an illegal forward pass. Just hold on to the ball, we don't need fumbles on defense too!

Posted by: kost52 | October 14, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Out of town last week for the Lions game, but back just in time for this latest debacle. Swing pass for 1 yard on 4th and 2 in poor weather conditions....??? Nothing new to say - Howard Cosell said it best: "It's all a big joke...it just goes on and on." CORKCZAR has some great points. Get ready for the death spiral and moving into the NFC East basement - again.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | October 14, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby,

This is my last statement to you as you are not worth my time. It's idiotic that YOU of all people (after your repeated crazed posts) are telling ME to "lighten up." YOU need to lighten up. Although you are trying to say your rants are in jest, they do not come across that way at all...especially because it's an everyday, every minute thing with you.

I laugh all the time...have a great sense of humor and certainly do not expect everyone to agree with me. Yes, this is a blog but I'm pretty sure that most of the other bloggers are sick of your constant rants and negativity as well.

You can have the blog....I'm done.

Posted by: Lisa | October 14, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

justme, you know the only reason you hate him is cuz he's beautiful!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

really....i am mad depressed....

corky: basically agree w/u but samuels has been great, lavar was special for awhile and sean-tay is the bomb....those are bad examples....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry - 8:28 comment with 2005 Steelers was me in case you haven't figured it out.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redskins- Not a Professional Organization | October 14, 2007 08:28 PM

Worst post of the day, day, day.

Dude - We haven't had rain in DC in like 3 months. and until last week, our temps were in the 80s and 90s. Your facts are so wrong....

Posted by: 4th | October 14, 2007 8:36 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

He just seems like a smug prick. But tonight, he's my favorite smug prick on the planet. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Joe Jacoby's post-game analysis: the players played great except they didn't execute. Fits right in with the times at Redskin Park and the product on the field.
And Larry Michael was shocked - SHOCKED ! - that this team was once again rocked in the second half and lost control of a game it was capable of winning.

Last bit of nonsense - injuries were to blame for losing. Last I checked, the offensive line was not responsible for letting GB hit that deep seam route (thought those Mensa schemes had solved that problem - guess not), nor was it responsible for blowing great field position nor was it responsible for drops or fumbles or outrageously poor play calling.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | October 14, 2007 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redskins- Not a Professional Organization | October 14, 2007 08:28 PM

You are the bamma of the week, week, week ,week.

Posted by: huggie low down | October 14, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

lisa and RB each take a corner...

lisa dont leave in a snit

F weird al

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

PackerBacker,

Don't pretend to be a packers fan to talk trash. Man up, use your usual cowpoke pseudonym and crack away. But, I guess that's hard to do when Tom Terrific dropped 48 on you at home. LMGO

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

That's your call, not mine... but I don't want you to leave the blog. Heck, I'm not on here enough for you to leave because of me.

I'd also like to remind you that not all of my posts are negative... heck, even the negative ones are meant to add a little humor.

And even though I'm not trying to be argumentative, I don't agree that EVERYONE else wants me to go away. But if you are right, and everyone does want me to go away, please speak up people and I'll leave.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

i dont want anyone (except dbagX500 etc) to leave....for the record

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 8:45 PM | Report abuse

that fact dude was a good post. those are good facts. scary but true.

and you know i was okay with favreh but after last week and this week. the dude is awful! and yeah, he should've been intercepted 6 times. i have no problem with romo turning out like him. no problem at all.

also please don't overlook a second good game in a row by this young QB, JC. i am a fan! 4th, i hear ya on the underneath stuff but that's all coaching and can be corrected.

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I second that, CL.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby is my favorite blogger up here on RI.

Posted by: not Lisa | October 14, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't like to see RB or Lisa go away. Now hug and make up (Sallie Mae style). Love to the blog.

Posted by: bigfish | October 14, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Are you F'ing kidding me Santana!!! Earn your F'ing money you sorry sack of crap! How does a player being paid your salary have 6 drops and a fumble! FACT: You suck this season!

Skins Fans--- Enough about Lloyd!! Moss is the BIG BUST this season. At least Lloyd isn't being thrown to. Moss is...and is dropping every F'ing thing thrown his way!! Free up some $$$ and just get rid of his sorry ass! I'm telling you...the man has a complex b/c he has lost the #1 spot to ARE. Let him sulk on the sidelines...I'm sick of watching him drop everything thrown his way!!

MO$$...earn your freakin' $$$$!!!

Posted by: Moss Sucks!!! | October 14, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

JC Campbell rulz
All other QBs drulz

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

***Fantasy Post***

Smack is destroying me at the moment. Maybe I shouldn't have started Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: kost52 | October 14, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

You're so right Lisa...you are my favorite blogger on RI as well.

Posted by: not Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

ITCP's RB and Lisa.


Larry: ***** Five stars for your post. Nail on the head.

Posted by: Skinz | October 14, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

F CHRIS LARRY! Just kidding.

Well, despite the loss, the Skins can still be at 4-2 prior to NE/NYJ, which is what I was honestly hoping for. Let's just hope for no let down next week at home.

I think our season might come down to that Jets game on the road. 5-3 vs. 4-4 is HUGE!!!!!! If the Eagles can beat the Jets on the road, there is no reason we shouldn't be able to...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Any reason we are paying Santana so much?

What have you done for us lately?

Sincerely,
Skins Fans

Posted by: ??? | October 14, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

the jets suck, but we could lose to them...

one game at a time...we will be in em all, could lose em al...

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

QB play is not the problem - it is everything else around him.

Used to be Arizona was a pushover for the Skins - just like the Lions. With Wisenhunt and Grimm, they can play smash-mouth as well as play spread and hurry-up. Could be ugly.

Can't believe some posters are actually mentioning playoffs and beating Minnesota and TB. I would fear NO and STL at this point.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | October 14, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

i'm with everyone...there's room for all the crazies up here. i hated the fact that we lost that dude diddysquared on political argument. everyone's a fan here.
even lisa. ;P now kiss and makeup!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

yeah no playoffs talk...jeesh!

diddysquared was tool, glad he left...

ramadan is over where is JM220 already!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I hate (truly do) to talk about a good brother, but I need to start seeing JC throw passes where the receivers don't raise their hands above their heads or stretch to the side once in while. Thats all I'm saying. He does so rarely, but not on a consistent basis.

I think JC is going to need a big target as his main go to in future seasons, but thats for another day...

Arizona - I feel sorry for you next week. Get ready for real Redskin Football....

Posted by: 4th | October 14, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Screw all this, I WILL be negative.
This loss stinks for several reasons:
1) Atrocious play calling, as usual, with the game on the line. Someone needs to rip out that dumba$$ FB/RB 1 yd flat pass from the playbook that Al Saunders calls every time that we need 1 or 2 yards.
2) O line injuries, or not, if you are a professional football player, then you need to hold on to the football. Yeah, it was raining and wet, but the Packers had ZERO fumbles. That tells me one thing: our prima donnas are afraid/unwilling to get down and dirty.
3) Again, as usual, atrocious clock/time out management. Grandma Gibbs is so damn conservative that he has to call a timeout every time there is a close call to make. Absolutely ridiculous and inexcusable with as many F-ing associate and assistant head coaches that we have. Hell, bring back Coy and make him "Associate Head Coach-Time Out Management." He would do more than he did as a quality control guy, whatever the heck that means.

This team did not deserve to win, and frankly, I'm shocked that they were that close in the 2nd half. They have the killer instinct of a butterfly, and their record in close games shows that.

Campbell is great, I love him, but we are at a critical point where he needs to have MEN step up and play around him instead of little boys, otherwise his growth and progress will be retarded.

BOO FOR THE EFFORT IN THE SECOND HALF BY THE COACHING STAFF/PORTIS/MOSS!

Defense, you are the ONLY reason we were even close. We don't deserve to have you, frankly...

Posted by: Negatron | October 14, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

recievers need to make some plays for JC, dude is fine....not all ballz gonna be perfect...

JC rulz
his catchers drulz

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

4th...your a dumbass!! Did you watch that game???? Campbell was good...his overpaid receiving corp sucked. Do us all a favor and watch the game befor commenting on it...JACKASS!

Posted by: 4th | October 14, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

4th, you sorta killed your own argument with your 2nd para. jc is 6'4 or 6'5". his receivers are 4' 9"...when was the last time you saw him above cooley's head or todd yoder's head...

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

15 Fumbles in 5 games. That's flat out ridiculous.

Posted by: kost52 | October 14, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I can't get over how badly we gave away both of our losses this year.

I'd like to say that they all even out in the long run, but can you honestly see us stealing a game like one of the two we lost?

I mean, lets be honest? When have we won a game we had no business winning? Okay, Dallas in '05, but what others?

Those kind of games just never seem to even out for the Skins. Who do you put that on? I hate to do it (okay, well not really), but I blame coaching and intangibles like 2nd half adjustments, game planning, play calling, clock management, etc. Sure, players F up like they did today, but we still had a chance to win this game, as did we against NYG, and we blew it.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Ok...am I alone here? Why is everyone overlooking Moss's horrific play this season??? He has been horrible!!! Why???

Posted by: Is anyone out there??? | October 14, 2007 9:00 PM | Report abuse

negatron,

Here's to you, fine sir. Nailed it. Excellent write up.

Posted by: ricky bobby | October 14, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Agreed...Moss has been horrible. Glad to see him sidelined at the end of the game.

Posted by: Agreed | October 14, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

If the Pats can beat the Cowboys by 21 on the road, how bad will it be for us in 2 weeks at Foxborough?!?!?!?!

i'm just not gonna watch football that weekend at all.

Posted by: kman | October 14, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

This is where our season turns around. This is where EVERY REDSKINS PLAYER AND COACH commits to winning.
Eliminate the drops, the turnovers, the bad punts, the reverses.
We come out next week and lay the smack down on Arizona, then roll on and shock the world the next week. And then, we just keep rolling baby.
NOW, IT'S ON!!!

Posted by: NWO4LIFE | October 14, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Pats Moss vs. Our Moss = Huge Loss

Posted by: Their Moss v. Our Moss | October 14, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

4th,

that was funny.


is anyone out there??,

I don't think people are looking past it. I mean, you're definitely right... from the opener against Miami, 3 drops??, to today (single handedly losing us the game) he has been atrocious this year. I think the thing that's different with Moss is that he's been our number 1 for 2-3 years now and we're all confident he'll bounce back. heck, I certainly do.

as far as getting rid of the guy, we don't have very many guys we can simply get rid of. the release of most of our guys have major salary cap implications, including Moss. he's here for the long haul, and I'm cool with that.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

if there was a way to forfeit the Pats game, and rest and heal up for NYJ (hopefully to go 5-3) I'd be down with that in a heart beat.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

My wife asked me why I have this big smile on my face.

I told her I knew I was gonna get kilt for my post I just put up. And, I did.

Its not like JC is reading this blog or anything (I hope) and I believe just about everyone on the offense can be blamed, including JC. I guess he's too sacred right now, huh?

Dealer, I don't no what you talking about. where did I contradict myself? I'm not talking about TEs, I'm talking about recievers like McCardell..

Posted by: 4th | October 14, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

the skins are who we thought they are, and we (fans) always let them off the hook. they are a 8-8 team (at best) that will break our hearts more than they won't. same ol shti, different week.

Posted by: D. Green | October 14, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey Guys, It's not like we gave up 48 points at home and just got totally spanked by a superior team!

Posted by: Mr Bright Side | October 14, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

How many calls do you think Vinny has made to find a live, offensive lineman under the age of 40?

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The drops were bad guys I agree...BUT It was Also cold and raining in Green bay....Just thought I'd mention that.....ANYWAY...They lost that game because Gibbs didnt kick the damn FG and went for it on 4th when they should NOT have....

Posted by: Leevi | October 14, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Well it's pretty clear Portis won't be here next year, and he shouldn't. He is 1/3 what he was in denver, always hurt, fumbles too much, and makes way to much $$ for his results. nice knowing ya CP.

Posted by: Cap't Obvious | October 14, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that CP is not himself as well, just does not have the same burst. He is an all out baller, and gives his all, but just doesn't have the legs. Same with all the rest of our gimpy dudes. The injury report sure will be interesting....

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | October 14, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Dealer, I didn't specify. I was talking only about WRs.....

Posted by: 4th | October 14, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Leevi,

That field goal was not a chip shot.

Cooley caught the ball okay in the rain. The Packers caught the ball okay. It was just our WRs and free safety who couldn't catch it. Very poor technique.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

talent evaluator,

tell me about it. and we're not just talking about one OL, maybe a couple. hey, maybe it's all a part of that great plan of his.

wonder what our record is since he mocked us fans with that speech?

leevi,

good point. that was so unlike Gibbs to go for it there on 4th and 2. the gibbs we all know and love (or strong disappointed in) kicks that ball in a heart beat. I don't care if it was wet or raining or what. when we have the chance to tie, 10/10 times gibbs chooses to go for the tie. it's like he was waiting for everyone else to make decisions for him over there on the side line. that really bothers me, along with his lack of a killer instinct and the clear lapses in communication.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

regarding the pats game. how come skins are the only team in the NFC East to play them on the road and all the other teams play them at their own place? wtf?! didn't the skins have the worst record in the nfc east?

i'm all for mailing in the pats game. it's just not fair anymore. i think the whole league should mail it in. i've never seen anything like this before. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

No way that was pass interference on Thrash
No way that was an interception(dual poss. offense's ball)!!!!
No way that wasn't offsides on GB @ the very end on that sack.
No way we don't at least attempt a FG instead of going for it on 4th down.

With that out of my system, it was a sloppy game(offensively), sloppy field, we played that bad a still could've won, so HAIL TO THE REDSKINS, and F the downers!!!!HAIL

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | October 14, 2007 9:22 PM | Report abuse

1) Atrocious play calling, as usual, with the game on the line. Someone needs to rip out that dumba$$ FB/RB 1 yd flat pass from the playbook that Al Saunders calls every time that we need 1 or 2 yards.

Posted by: Negatron | October 14, 2007 08:55 PM

Neg--Saunders called a pass to McCardell who was wide open. The FB was the safety valve. Campbell threw to the wrong dude. He's young, and he'll learn. It was a good call.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby does have some pretty funny stuff time to time. Lisa does seem to take it a little too seriously from time to time. Guess it's different without Jim220 here to defend her like last season.

Corkzar-Agree with your list of 18.

Posted by: NC ICU RN | October 14, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should start playing Carlos Rogers at WR?

Posted by: kost52 | October 14, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, meant to write JM220 (not Jim220)

Posted by: NC ICU RN | October 14, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

capt obvious,

one thing is for sure, we're going to see some major changes this offseason. the class of '04 is getting older and their cap hits are getting, well, HUGE starting next year and beyond.

I think it's pretty clear that Springs, maybe Daniels, maybe Griffin, maybe Portis are all strong candidates for being cut. We just don't have the cap room, and I don't see a few of those guys agreeing to the ol' restructure begging we do.

I'm actually a little worried about fielding an entire team next year. We may have to go with about 10 undrafted free agents to get under the cap next season. Part of the plan, maybe? Perhaps it's a 15-year plan????

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Kost,

After today, I'd play Carlos Rogers at WR before I'd but the Reaper out there. Dude seemed to be afraid of the ball.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow,

The Ain'ts are playing like the Saints tonight. They are putting the beat on Seattle.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I may have missed this but did anyone on the coaching staff answer as to why the Skins went for it on 4th and 2 instead of kicking the field goal? Was it out of Suisam's range? Sorry for posting this twice but I didnt see anything. Also, I think that as fans we can be more critical of coaching decisions than of players making physical mistakes. I think it is less acceptable for a coach to make an error that is obvious to everyone watching. Play calling is subjective but clock management is lack of preparation.

Posted by: WildA | October 14, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

4th, i know and i was saying (just like you did in your second para) that if the WR's were as tall as todd yoder or chris cooley over throws (receivers hands going up) wouldn't be a problem.

but yes, he does have issues with mid range stuff. also troy aikman pointed out that jc should've checked off on the 4th and 2 call for a pass to WR on a slant.

whenever it's 3rd down and 5 or less and betts goes in the game. i think the opposing LBs are just sitting on that betts route. if we see it you know the professionals see it.

and if you're gonna keep running to the left side at least keep them honest and fake to the left to go right? c'mon elementary my dear dumbo-in-the-booth!

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

What difference does it make where you go when your players drop the ball? The problems are on the field, not in the booth.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I've never seen a team have more trouble picking up fumbles and catching the ball on defense. Even the two Taylor picks were bobbled. His dropped picks (can you believe he actually had the chance for 5 picks today????) weren't catostrophic, but the first one could have change field position drastically.

GB scooped our fumbles up with little trouble and it killed us.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby,

The players love restructuring, generally. They just don't want it to include a pay cut. Springs didn't have a problem this past offseason with restructuring, per se. It was the pay cut he objected to.

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

If Warner is hurt and the Cardinals are forced to go with Vinny or Rattay, they are beatable at home. The next week is brutal - practice for the NE Patriots will be harder than the game against the Skins.

As for real Redskin football, we are watching it. Complete folly. Heart and desire have nothing to do with the grotesque amounts of $$$ wasted by the organization. Who would ever have believed that a guy like Belichick could be a better motivator than Gibbs....?

Posted by: DisgustedFan | October 14, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

We need to learn to love ourselves. We have lots a talent on the team as much as anyone in the NFC. After the Dallas game I think the Redskins have the best Defense in the NFL.

Both starting recivers don't look 100 percent. CP 70 percent. Wade was not healthy and then got more hurty.

The play calling was fine. JC got to do his thing. We just lost are O line and people did not make plays. The coaches don't call drop the ball. We almost won on the pass to Lloyd.

We did wast one time out but that was are last real chance to come back that game so being careful is not a bad idea.

Moss and CP are killing us this year. I think giving CP a week off might be a good idea let him heal.

Are we going to need that idiot how got arested next week?

Thats it.

Posted by: M&M | October 14, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Stop freaking out!!!!!!!!

We are in the race.

Posted by: M&M | October 14, 2007 9:34 PM | Report abuse

We have lots a talent on the team as much as anyone in the NFC.

Posted by: M&M | October 14, 2007 09:32 PM

M&M,

You might be on the wrong blog. We're talking about the Redskins here. Not Dallas, not Baltimore, not Denver. The Redskins. Talent is very lacking on the O side of the team.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Wild A,

excellent point. as much as I wanted to bash Troy Aikman's head into the goal post, he had a great point at the end of the game. Why wait for the 2:00 warning there? What if GB passed on 2nd down? Or 3rd? That could be like 1:00 or so of lost time. And I know it was only :09 we lost after the 2 warning, but can you imagine how much of an impact that would have been if Suisham was running out there while the clock hit :00...

it's amazing you have 74 high paid head coaches, assistant head coaches, associate head coaches, assistant to the associate head coaches, and one of them didn't figure that one out...

or that you need to tell your young QB to at least throw the 4th down play to the line of scrimmage...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Dealer - I'm still laugghing my guts out at being called a dumb SJK! That was funny!

Posted by: 4th | October 14, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

TE, i'm saying if he was on the field maybe just maybe he could see that it was raining and slippery and not call reverses and know that there are 4th string guys in the game...you know "get a feel for the game"...too many times he'll call a play and you're like "is he watching the same game?"...that's all i'm saying.

i'm not blaming the loss on him. cuz it's pretty damn hard to win with 4th string linemen in this league.

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

JustMe,

You are correct, sir. Restructuring obviously gives the player more guaranteed money right away and increases the cap hits later on and pushes back the inevitable dead cap hit we have to take when they're cut.

Oh, and where is sween? I've been meaning to tell him that he was right and I was wrong about the defensive approach in the Lions game.

And where is Vinny? I want to hear about this plan.

As I type, Patten makes a huge over the shoulder catch. Didn't we sign him to a 14 mill deal with like 4 mill to sign? It's high comedy how much money we give away...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby,

I'm a female. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

2nd halves in our 2 losses:

Us = 0 points
Them = 31 points

Record = 0-2

2nd half adjustments guy = sleeping

Posted by: stats man | October 14, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

HA. My B, Just Me!

What a knowledgeable sports chick!

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

it's amazing you have 74 high paid head coaches, assistant head coaches, associate head coaches, assistant to the associate head coaches, and one of them didn't figure that one out...

i'd like to disagree ricky bobby...the anger/amazement isn't in the fact that they "didn't" figure "that one out" in this game but rather that it's been FOUR years and they HAVE NOT figured out clock management issues.

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Dealer - The offense usually has the advantage in the open field on a soggy turf. When you know which way you're going there isn't an adjustment. Trying a reverse is a good play in those conditions. There is no way as a coach to anticipate a guy fumbling the ball. Those things happen and other than the player that does it there is no one to blame.

Posted by: TheGuru10 | October 14, 2007 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy. I'm glad TO had us get our popcorn ready. He boosted my sales but he and his team still suck.

Posted by: Orville Redenbacker | October 14, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

okay chris collinsworth agrees with me that this(patsies) is the best team ever (so far) he's seen...

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

I hear ya brother! Gibbs is now 53 regular season games back into this thing up here and the clock management/confusion appears to have gotten worse.

And as I type that, how crazy is it that we have lost 12 of those games after being up at the half? That is over 20% if my math is correct.

Talk about heart break city under Gibbs 2.0... but hey, "they're going about things the right way up here", so let's leave them alone and not call a spade a spade, right?

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

turfguru, good point.

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much, dealer. I tried to resist admitting it, but the bottom line is no one is going to beat them this year. People can whine, bithc, moan, and whatever else they want to do about what is going on with their favorite teams. The only team that stands a chance at beating them is the Colts. Everybody else is just spinning their wheels and practicing for next year with hopes that the Pats lose a key player or two that will make them seem human.

For this season, the Patties are #1. The Colts are #2. And, #3-32 don't even matter because they're not gonna win a damn thing anyway. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | October 14, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

next week we will beat arizona handily at home and talk up here will be like it was last week. today was absolutely horrendous. coaching was not great but the pkayers on the field costed us the game. f blaming the defense at all. yeah a couple dropped picks but they did their job. f changing the redskin name or any other stupid sh*t. play better and stay healthy.

Posted by: d bags up in here | October 14, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm too despondent to try and catch up on the reading tonight. I assume the point has been made that (1) we could not get the running game going, (2) Santa is in some sort of funk slump, and (3) some trainer forgot to bring the rain cleats. I'm feeling a little blue. Also, the Saints are burying me in my weekly pool (but I did get the Chiefs over Bengals right!).

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

...2) O line injuries, or not, if you are a professional football player, then you need to hold on to the football. Yeah, it was raining and wet, but the Packers had ZERO fumbles. That tells me one thing: our prima donnas are afraid/unwilling to get down and dirty....

Posted by: Negatron | October 14, 2007 08:55 PM

Actually, both teams had 4 fumbles. The difference is the Packers lost none of theirs, and the Skins lost 2. That was the difference (apart from the uncharacteristically bad game by Moss).

Posted by: Alan | October 14, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs is now 53 regular season games back into this thing up here and the clock management/confusion appears to have gotten worse.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 14, 2007 10:04 PM

RB, So, how much longer do you think Snyder let's him have the keys to the car. Snyder hasn't changed -- he's still a win-now guy. If he hasn't said something already, then he must have bitten his tongue off. He might be on the phone to Marty.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

sween--What? The running game wasn't working? Haven't seen that yet, but then I skipped a lot of the posts. Nice cat fight, though, between Ricky Bobby and Lisa who says she's never coming back.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

the day marty coaches for snyder is the day hell freezes over. santanas fumble on the reverse single handedly cost us this game

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

1. The SNYDER BIG BUCKS system doesn't work. Sometimes the players either are over the hill or injury vulnerable (D. Sanders. B. Smith. S Moss, Portis, Brunell, etc,)


16 Who knew last year Betts season was a salary drive and not a breakout?

Posted by: CORKCZAR | October 14, 2007 08:22 PM


I do have to take issue with a few of these many points...

Re: the big bucks issue. If you want to criticize the misses, you have to acknowledge the hits... Marcus Washington, ARE, Andre Carter, London Fletcher, etc. While I agree there have been some VERY shaky signings, there have been some good ones as well. We all thought Santana was great until 3:00 this afternoon!!

Re: Ladell Betts....We would have killed the organization on this blog if Betts was not resigned. That was necessary considering the pounding that CP takes. And this OL is in shambles. Neither of them are running the ball great.

Posted by: Reppin TX | October 14, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Back from some errands...

Reality check. The 'skins are 3-2. They lost to the 5-1 Packers and the possibly 4-2 Giants. In other words, they are who we thought they were. Not super bowl ready but quite possibly could challenge for a playoff spot. Right now they are the odd man out behind the Panthers and the Giants for the wild card spots. Injuries and their own damn mistakes may undo them for a spot but look at the schedule. Arizona with its 3rd qb, Jets (1-5), Buffalo (1-4), Bears (2-4) and Vikes (2-3). Then there is the divisional games which could go either way forget the records and New England which appear to be in a league of their own but have not faced a defense like the 'skins (any given Sunday.) I thought all we could hope for were meaningful games in December. When did we change our expectations? Hey, if y'all want to jump from the highest point, be my guest, but me thinks it's a bit premature.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Its still too early to come back... see you guys like Wednesday.

Posted by: Dorf | October 14, 2007 10:25 PM | Report abuse

B'ben,

Are you back from errands? Where were they? Mars?

Those are definitely alien thoughts around here. We will spend the rest of the year blogging about the draft because the season ended today.

We ain't makin' the playoffs with only three guys on offense -- Campbell, Cooley, and I forget the other one. Oh, right, ARE. We have no O-LIne and the best of the rest is Keenan McCardell. Stick a fork in it.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 14, 2007 10:25 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: reppin TX | October 14, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

WildA
I guess Gibbs figured with the rainy conditions a field goal was not their best option. Of course throwing a one yard out on fourth and two isn't any better. Two losses like this, it's getting harder and harder to watch this team. And damn right Moss should feel terrible. And he may not be a 100% but who is in the NFL? That's why you get paid the big bucks.

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 14, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Great knee-jerk reaction TE. You can win in the NFC with good D and special teams - Chicago last year. If the team can hang around .500 through ten games maybe the line can come back and make a run at the end a la 2005. Look around the league Arizona and Carolina are on their 3rd qbs. Every team except the top ones are depleated. Beat the team that you can and hang tough against the division and you're in.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

stick a fork in a 3-2 team. black is white, down is up, east is west, the south won. you are an idiot

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Moss needs to be emotionally punished for the pain he put me through today... I NEVER want to see him in a Skins uni again.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 10:41 PM | Report abuse

took me several hours to calm down.
Man, was Larry Michaels bad today;
w/ GB was kicking a FG: "down the middle and it hits the upright"
no joke that was a quote!!

Then later he says while Farve is attempting a deep pass down the left sideline "wide open and it is intercepted by Sean Taylor".

Now which was it, Larry?
a. down the middle or did it hit the upright?
b. was the WR wide open or did Sean Taylor intercept the pass?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | October 14, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I have a question for Coach Joe and Al Saunders:
what happed to Redskin smash-mouth football?

Why on two 3rd and one plays did we run wide, try to get cute, or throw the ball?
why not ram Betts or Sellers up in there?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | October 14, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I hope Moss needs something from me that is really important to him, and I let him down, and I mean really down...That piece of crap jack hole..Killed us today

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Larry Michaels has got to be the worst play-by-play man in the history of sports. He totally sucks. He is the reason I will not listen to redskin radio.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

if anyone is interested I have computed the W-L records for our opponents and also for the opponents of a team that makes is home in Irving TX.

Cowgirls opponents following 6 games?
12 wins 22 losses. 12-22

Redskins opponents following 5 games?
13 wins and 14 losses.

Posted by: Redskin Ray | October 14, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I hope Moss jumps off a bridge into cement..And he was hoping there was water to break his fall..

Yep, Thats hope Moss.That is what tyou took away from all of us today. Ill never like you again you piece of dog crap..I hope you read this you overpaid jackalope

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Ray,

No confidence in the o-line, especially the interior/right side (Pucillo, Fabini, Heyer)

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

It's a rainy day at Lambeau and you have Jason Campbell, in his 12th start I believe, throw the ball 37 times??????? In a 17-14 game?????

I was there and the running game was churning in the first half but once again Al Saunders got cutesy with it. Running unnecessary reverses, passing on 3rd and 2. Everyone sitting near me was worried b/c the Skins were churning out yards at the beginning and they (Packer fans) thought the Skins would just wear down the D and begin breaking those runs in the 4th. But that would've been the previous Gibbs regime. Sans Al Saunders.

It's like a broken record with this guy

Posted by: Hail Raljohn | October 14, 2007 10:53 PM | Report abuse

6 of their opponents wins are from the team they played today!!!

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | October 14, 2007 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Beat the team that you can and hang tough against the division and you're in.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 14, 2007 10:30 PM


That's the thing, we haven't done that. Green Bay and New York were games we not only could've won, but should've won. I mean if Brett Favre had've come out today and had a blinder, and we lost because Green Bay was the better team, we wouldn't be so upset. But today was just plain sloppy.

I'm not saying the season is over though. This can be fixed. In terms of the game plan the coaches are obviously doing a good job in preparing the team, we've only trailed at the half once (7-3 vs Miami), and have outscored opponents 58-23 in the first half. It's halftime which is the problem, whether they're not making enough half-time adjustments, or making too many, I don't know. But they have to work it out. It's just not good enough, and we shouldn't be satisfied with what's been happening.

Posted by: kost52 | October 14, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse

ray
when favre threw the ball the wr was Wide open - he just threw it into the clouds and gave time for Taylor to get over there....
just sayin'

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Can our owner die like Wellington Mara did, so we can win a few games

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Apparently we have a bunch of guys who played their hearts out!!

Well, let's see: I guess he means they were all on the Defense?
You know the Defense that only gave up 10 points today, and yet we lost?!!

3rd and 1 1/2 yards and we throw a swing pass to Sellers?
Why not give him the ball up the gut or off tackle?

4th and two and we throw a pass to the line of Scrimmage where the man has little chance to turn it up the field?
That was not on Betts?
That was the call and or JC.
Looked like McCardell was open on a quick slant, but JC had already predetermined to go elsewhere.

Posted by: Redskin Ray | October 14, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

once in a while running on 3rd and less than 2 is acceptable but dude the norm on this team now is to pass on those downs. with players like CP, JC and Sellers.

jason, i'd like to see the breakdown of left, right, middle run plays please. cuz it kills me that they keep running to the left like 90% of the time therefore nullifying the effectiveness of your strength (which is the left side). that make any sense?

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

boz's column is out...and here's a quote from danny himself : ""We're better than that team," said owner Dan Snyder, huddled with confidants mulling the defeat."

that's what i thought danny, that's what i thought.

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Anyone notice today how Coach Joe and Coach Gregg Williams were conversing alot more than usually during a game?
Was that something planned?
Was Gregg telling Joe something he spotted regarding the GB D?

Lastly, when Portis fumbled Coach Joe was seen on camera yelling at an official and Coach Gregg looked to Joe and it appeared he said to Gibbs, "No, stop it".

anyone else see that?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | October 14, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Anyone notice today how Coach Joe and Coach Gregg Williams were conversing alot more than usually during a game?
Was that something planned?
Was Gregg telling Joe something he spotted regarding the GB D?

Lastly, when Portis fumbled Coach Joe was seen on camera yelling at an official and Coach Gregg looked to Joe and it appeared he said to Gibbs, "No, stop it".

anyone else see that?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | October 14, 2007 11:09 PM

Williams: Joe...Joe...JOE!!!
Gibbs: wah wah...sorry i wasn't asleep...
Williams: Anyway your offense is killing us.
Gibbs: What? We have an offense?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

"We're not running the ball to the right at all any more," Cooley said. Do opponents realize it? "Definitely."

thank you mr. cooley! i'm glad i'm not the only one who sees that as a problem.

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2007 11:14 PM | Report abuse

RR
so did you watch the game or listen to it or both?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2007 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Where did you see/hear that quote dealer?

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | October 14, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

watched and listened to the game today
also if you want to hear Larry Michaels on the play by play I just checked and those two glaring / major / ridiculous calls by Larry on Redskins.com highlights from today's game.

"down the middle and it hits the upright"
Hilarious!

Posted by: Redskin Ray | October 14, 2007 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | October 14, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Thanks kost...I should've been on top of it and read that by now.

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | October 14, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

So, the Pats get caught cheating and today in the last minute the Cheatin' Bill says score with 20 seconds remaining to win by 21?

Is there something there between Bill and Wade Philipps?
Or is it just Bill being Bill?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | October 14, 2007 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey, anybody here know how to work me?

Posted by: The Clock | October 14, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

going to bed.
Good night everybody!

Posted by: Redskin Ray | October 14, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm sad because Joe Gibbs hates me.

Posted by: Risk | October 14, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game in Green Bay and the word around the stadium was that the NFL is launching an investigation into Santana Moss' finances following the game because they felt that the way he played he had to have had money on the Packers. Too bad the other 51 covered the spread. Seriously, I have never seen a guy play worse in a game that wasn't a QB. One drop that went for an interception, another drop on an end around that went for the game deciding TD and another drop that would have at least tied the game when he was wide open. How much are the Skins paying this BUM. Other than his effort, the team hung in there and should have won. There were two games on the field today. Skins 14 Packers 10 was one and Packers 7 Moss 0

Posted by: JWP | October 14, 2007 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Moss is NOT a bum...if he makes that catch on the deep ball, no one would be talking about or remember the fumbles. He had one bad game, he just needs to get into a rhythm...he hasn't been able to b/c of injuries. I mean hell were still in it, the nfc sucks!

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | October 15, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

*fumble

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | October 15, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Blog GUT CHECK.

How many of you would work the groin area of the O Line if it would get them well and into the playoffs.

I think I could do Wade maybe.

Posted by: M&M | October 15, 2007 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Dallas SUCKS!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tom Brady | October 15, 2007 12:08 AM | Report abuse

if i see that f'ing 2 yard out to sellers on 3rd and 4 again, i will shti myself, what a horrible call, over and over agian

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 12:17 AM | Report abuse

eally....i am mad depressed....

corky: basically agree w/u but samuels has been great, lavar was special for awhile and sean-tay is the bomb....those are bad examples....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 14, 2007 08:34 PM

CORK SAYS

SAMUELS was third OVERALL pick. He is a good but not great tackle, very good pass blocker, fair to good run blocker. He should be a monster, picked so high.

Arrington's career was summed up when a Redskin was asked if they were afraid, after the Giants signed him, if he might bring over secrets of the Redskins defensive playbook. He said, "truth is, he never really knew the Redskins playbook:" He was a SECOND overall pick, the same year Urlacher was taken. Second ROUNDERS DeMeco Ryans (sp), Lfa Totupu, and even Rocky McIntosh are better smarter, more instinctive players who are almost alwasy in position, unlike LaVarr.

Taylor covered alot of ground today, ahd two picks and EXCEPT FOR DROPPING THREE INTERCEPTIONS, had a good game. Good, but not great overall player, not in the elite class of safeties, IMHO

Posted by: CORKCZAR-respondeth | October 15, 2007 12:19 AM | Report abuse

The nickname of the U is the Hurricanes, right? That implies that those from that environment might have some experience with wetness. Why, please explain, do all stars from the U, (Portis, Moss, Taylor) seem to have an inability to hold on to the wet football - whether it's thrown to him, he already has it, or it's an easy interception...? I hate to single out the best football players on the team, but they each had an opportunity to change the game....

Posted by: David | October 15, 2007 12:35 AM | Report abuse

This was a tough loss. It's going to be really tough now with all the injuries on the offensive line.

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Was so upset after the loss, had to go out to a bar and root against Cowboys fans.

Feel much better now.

I'm aware this isn't healthy.

Does this team remind anyone else of 2005? The Redskins could beat anyone.

They just don't.

Posted by: mugamack | October 15, 2007 12:53 AM | Report abuse

corky...don't see it with those players...

oh well...off to bed and nightmares.....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 12:54 AM | Report abuse

David, fair to call out the 'playmakers' as they should make plays and when they don't then you're s o l.

Muga, agreed.

Can't help but see that the media will somehow wax the blue star as if they didn't get they @$$es handed over to them at home on national tv. I don't care who the opponent is. Dallas has got pass rush but that d is suspect.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 1:00 AM | Report abuse

It's so disappointing, because we weren't outplayed.

Joe Gibbs was meant to bring back a culture of winning to Washington, you can't do that when you struggle with the basics - Drops, fumbles, time management etc. These are the things that you have control of.

We are a team that has good talented players, who are poorly drilled and coached. It's disappointing to say that.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Agree on the Dallas D.

Run game is suspect too.

They do have a nice passing game.

Posted by: M&M | October 15, 2007 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Agree on the Dallas D.

Run game is suspect too.

The do have a nice passing game.

Posted by: M&M | October 15, 2007 1:07 AM | Report abuse

NFC east is now a passing division (weird). JC is going to have to go the short and mid range passes for a few weeks (why no O line).

Sellers is not the offensive beast he seemed last week. Great blocker but thats it.

Posted by: M&M | October 15, 2007 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Kost,

I disagree...slightly. Due to the record and the fact that every game has come down to the last series, I wouldn't say that we are 'poorly' coached. The team is in position to win every week which is coaching. Now the coaching staff's time management issues and the fact that they cannot adjust are serious issues that you don't expect from a H O F coach/staff.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 1:11 AM | Report abuse

M&M,

Concur about the passing game. If we run with this line there will be a lot of three and outs.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 1:15 AM | Report abuse

bangkokben Kost52:

Look were we started.

The ball coach - 5-11 not that good. Horrible, no talent, self hating team.

Gibbs 2.1 - 5 fumbles for touchdowns. Could not even run a play at home with out penalty. No passing game.

We had do simplefy that pre snap motion.

2.2 -2.3 things were up and down on offense. But were leading in penalties 1000 yards per season but stopped turning the ball over. Better run game.

The only person with bad hands on the team is CP (real offensive player). Drops are not coaching ask T.O.

2.4 We have a QB that does not kill us and makes plays. Few penalties. Still crack in crunch time but not JC. This can get fixed. O-line is a big part of our problems.

Posted by: M&M | October 15, 2007 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Bangkokben - When I re-read what I wrote it did sound a little harsh. I sort of meant it in regards to our 2nd halves. In our two losses we've been outscored 0-31. That's awful, and it's not the defense's fault either, they're currently 3rd in the league in yds/game and tied for 1st in yds/play.

Sorry, I'm a bit more negative than usual. Was beaten at basketball last night by an inferior team, because we messed up the basics, free-throws and lay-ups.

And to make things worse, I'm sober!

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 1:35 AM | Report abuse

I find it hard to believe that a lot of you guys are actually Skins fans. We lost pretty much our entire O-line and yet we were still in there right to the end with a chance to win against a 1 loss team with a great D. All I see here is people p*ssing and moaning about how everyone sucks and the coaches should be fired. With all the injuries, a QB in only his 12th game, and playing at Lambeau I think we did a h*ll of a job. Bugel deserves a freakin award for doing what he has with almost nothing and how are the backs supposed to get much yardage with that nothing. This is a good team with an actual chance and you fair-weather imitation fans should just F off and root for the cowgirls or something.

Posted by: Les | October 15, 2007 1:38 AM | Report abuse

People hear are just emotional. After we win it sounds very different.

But I am a true homer.

Posted by: M&M | October 15, 2007 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Drops are coaching's problem though aren't they? Isn't that one of the things they work on at practice? Skills? It's not all theory and gameplans.

They really need to sort out the damn receiver. Why in the world are you keeping him active, and having Caldwell inactive, when Lloyd is not helping this team in the slightest!

Boy am I in a SJKtty mood!

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 1:43 AM | Report abuse

it's amazing how you guys just turn on santana after one bad game....
his mistakes were HUGE, but we should take into consideration the pressure these guys (especially the WRs and OLs) are under...there is no depth for OLs, and we are signing new receivers every week. Santana came back from a tough hamstring injury, and he's gonna need some time to get back in the grind. if it makes you feel any better, read the article where santana "pulled himself out of the game because he was being counterproductive." he realized how badly he was playing.

if i were a betting man, i'd put money on 'Tana blowing up next week, and establishing the chemistry w/ JC that makes this offense formidable.

If you guys believed that this team would be better than 3-2 after 5 weeks before the season started, you'd be lying to yourselves.

Look at the bright side...JC is only going to get better. In both of our losses, we have not scored even one point in the second halves, and we still were in the game down to the last plays.

I think even the Packers players would agree on the inside that they got outplayed at home, and escaped with the win.

Bottom line: If we can win 2 out of the next 3 (vs. AZ & @ NYJ), we'll be 5-3 lookin' good halfway into the season.
We can only hope that JC grows up quickly and can be entrusted with more and more of the playbook--it would be great to see a well oiled offensive machine going into December.

Posted by: kman | October 15, 2007 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Les - I would've though a fair weather fan is someone who only follows the team when they win.

I'm p*ssing and moaning, because it hurts when we lose. Even moreso in a game which we probably should've won. I'm p*ssing and moaning, because I don't want to accept mediocrity, or 'honourable losses'.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 1:52 AM | Report abuse

***non-fantasy soccer post***

And Holland lost to Romania.

Aughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrrr

Posted by: smack | October 15, 2007 2:04 AM | Report abuse

....which is another thing adding to my wonderful mood!

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 2:07 AM | Report abuse

Well we can all be Falcons fans tomorrow together. I'll twist up a couple and deep fry some peanut butter. Everything will be alright.

Posted by: smack | October 15, 2007 2:12 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, I hope the Falcons beat the Giants with a last second FG.

Final Score 35-34. (J.Shockey 4 TD's)

Haha

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 2:16 AM | Report abuse

kost, Adrian Peterson might be the best RB in the NFL. Thought you were going to beat me with one guy. A record-setting performance from Shockey tomorrow and you can still win that fantasy match. That's painful having to uh, root for that tosser.

Redcoat's team went berzerk. Congrats Redcoat!

Posted by: smack | October 15, 2007 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Just got back from Qwest (longest 2 mile walk ever)...

Anyway, just wanted to say a few things:

1. Moss had the worst game of his career. But he'll be back. Anyone who wants to bench or cut Moss needs to seriously think about the kind of man and player he is. As Dickie V would say, he's a PTPer. The way some folks here prattle on, it's as if they've never played sports or at least gone through adversity in life. You don't wilt and cower from it, you face it head on and take it out. Moss will be back, with a vengeance, and with something to prove.

2. Firing St. Joe is not the answer. Firing Weird Al is not the answer. Sure, I disagreed with that one 3rd and 2 call at the time and continue to do so now, but the man called a great game. The 'Skins players killed themselves today, not the coaches.

3. If there is anything to worry about, to stress over, or to start doing shots of Mylanta for, it's this: the offensive line is in horrendous shape. The makeshift offensive line as it is can't execute the running game the Joe Gibbs offense is predicated upon, and now these latest injuries? Trouble, with a capital "T".

4. Lastly, I remind you that the NFC is horrible. 9-7 is going to get you in the playoffs. The 'Skins need to win 6 out of their remaining 11. This is entirely doable.

5. Dallas lost.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 15, 2007 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with my Running Back Corp. Just need some WR's to get healthy.

4th would have to be spewing, he put up a darn good score, just happened to run into Redcoat in the wrong week!

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 2:27 AM | Report abuse

P Diddy, that's the thing isn't it. Because the things we are getting wrong, are the basics, it's definitley fixable.

What's upsetting me, is that since we aren't a dominant, high level team, we have to make the most of the opportunities we're given. We can't afford to do what we did today. It's going to hurt if we do finish 9-7, but miss out on the playoffs due to a poor divisional record.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 2:44 AM | Report abuse

Moss is 27 years old and did not drop lots of balls until this year.

He worked with JC in the off season.

Does anyone thing that the same coaching staff that he had for the past 2 years now makes it so he can not catch.

Other players have be doing a good job until Sunday (save for CP).

B. Mitch said it might be the new QB, left vs right hand and speed of the through. Who knows S*th happens.

Posted by: M&M | October 15, 2007 3:08 AM | Report abuse

I have a feeling 9-7 isn't going to get us in the playoffs, especially with as Kost pointed out, these divisional losses. Still get sick thinking of that ball bouncing off Moss' facemask; that's something you'd expect from The Receiver.

Posted by: NC ICU RN | October 15, 2007 3:11 AM | Report abuse

Ho Ho Ho. Merry EARLY Christmas to everyone around the league. It's Joe Gibbs UP HERE at the North Pole and I'll be handing out more NFL wins to your favorite team at stadiums around the league up until Christmas time!

Ho Ho Ho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 15, 2007 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Just wanted to put a couple things out there:

1. Can we retire the wide receiver reverse? Please? We've tried it this year 4 times for a total of -2 yards, a fumble, and a touchdown for the other team. Put it away.

2. Play calling, is still making me scratch my head. The play to Betts on 4th an 2 stands out. We went to cooley 7 times in the first half, but only twice in the second half? I'm ok, with that, but if they're doubling Cooley, we need to find the guy with single coverage, and expose that.

3. The fumbles and the drops, are troubling. I'd love to say it was raining, slick ball, but this is not the first game this has happened. Taylor should have had 4 picks. The wide-outs need to get together with ARE and find out what his secret is, because he's the only one who is catching everything thrown his way.

Thats all I've got, hopefully the Cardinals are what ails us...

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 8:01 AM | Report abuse

I posted on this yesterday, but it's disturbing to go back through the 04-07 results and see just how many defeats we have snatched in the jaws of victory. This has been very well documented by Jasno, with our now league-leading twelve 2nd half losses since '04.

But what's more disturbing is that we have had very few stealing of victories in the jaws of defeat. I went back through the 53 regular season games since Gibbs returned and honestly found 1 game... Dallas in '05. That's it.

If you can think of any others, please let me know, but some of the games you might consider don't count (Jax in '06, Dallas in '06, etc) because we tried throwing those games away before pulling it out at the end.

So essentially we have the ability to lose games we should have won, yet don't have the ability to win games we should have lost. Aren't these things supposed to even out for good teams? Oh yeah, we haven't been a very good team since Gibby returned...

Yesterday, I blame a lot of the loss on the players, but you can't ignore the examination of these 53 games. Losing so many games you should have won, while also not being able to steal a couple you shouldn't have won, is more than the players. It's the culture. It's the mass confusion and constant turnover. It's the ownership. It's the conservative nature of our head coach/team president/space cowboy when we have the lead. You can't ignore these disturbing stats.


Side note: my girlfriend just emailed me and asked why she received two emails this morning from the Redskins about tickets. Unreal. She buys me one jersey from the Redskins store and now they are hounding her to buy "visiting team" returns. What a joke this organization has become. Pretty soon everyone who buys something online at the Redskins store is going to start receiving magazines and a $10 charge on their credit card because Napolean will sign on with one of these magazine deals that are a pain to deal with.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 15, 2007 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Re: The Dreaded Reverse

I was listening to Joe Jacoby on TripleX this morning, and he explained the reason for running the reverse at that particular time yesterday. He said that GBs defense had been over-pursuing the ball carrier(s)on the previous several run plays, so they called the reverse to back them up a bit and keep them more honest on run plays. That makes sense. I hate the reverse as much as anyone because we never see any tangible results from running it (i.e., lots of yards gained). But, it was apparently used more tactically than for pure gain. So, I can live with that. We just have to hold onto the ball.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 8:11 AM | Report abuse

JustMe, If we run it again this year, I'm pulling the remaining hair on my head out. Like I said, we've run it 4 times, have -2 yards, and the other team has scored off of it. Put it away. Why didn't they throw any WR screens to Moss to get him going?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 8:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm not going to jump off a bridge yet, but two things concern me about this Redskins team.

The first is the number of serious and "non-serious" injuries. How can a team lose this many players to injury? Can't Bubba Tyer do something about this? You can't blame it all on age. Heyer, Randle El, Moss, Portis and Griffin aren't THAT old. How come everyone is having these muscle pulls, etc. and leaving during key moments of the game? When you lose players during the course of the game, it affects your ability to stay consistent and close teams out.

Second, I don't see how the Redskins can run the ball with this many offensive linemen missing. Of course they had to leave the offensive gameplan in the dustbin in the second half. It's a miracle they could even pass protect.

Finally, I'm not going to blame this loss entirely on the coaches -- nor am I going to add it to the "second-half collapse" bandwagon that Jasno helped to start. Ask almost any Eagles fan, and they'll tell you that Andy Reid is terrible with clock management - yet the Eagles have consistently won more games than they've lost through his tenure. That doesn't excuse Gibbs' horrible clock management, by the way. I think Gibbs' issues partly stem from having too many coaches with input during critical situations.

I think you can definitely blame the coaches for not having the players prepared to play in wet conditions, because it showed. You can blame the strength and conditioning coaches for not having these players ready to compete for a full 60-minute game. But you can't blame them for blowing this lead with in-game play-calling. The players had plenty of chances to make the plays to win the game. They just didn't get it done.

Posted by: jcabana | October 15, 2007 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Alright, I have a few beers in me now. I'm at a level of peace which can only be achieved by finding a Junior Mint in your belly button.

I don't think I correctly put across my point of view today. Basically, I'm very disappointed in the way we played, and the result we came away with. I'm also worried that the same problems are starting to show up regularly. BUT I think it shouldn't be too difficult to fix these problems, and I think we can still make a strong push for the playoffs.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Watching that 4th and 2 play. I don't blame the call at all. That's definitely on Soup. He went straight for Ladell, without even looking at his primary receivers. Keenan was open and screaming for it.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Also, I'd like to (sarcastically) welcome back the foul-weather complainers/complaints that talk about how "this team needs better personnel, draft picking, free agents fill-in-the-blank-etc-etc." They are almost as predictable as those calling for the heads of the best players on the team when they stink it up.

Am I worried about Portis, Moss and Betts? Sure. Their injury issues, drops and fumbles are becoming a pattern this year. You can blame them for this loss. But I don't want them to be booted from the team just yet. I know a lot of those comments are probably born out of frustration, but c'mon.

As for the Redskins depth (or lack thereof), please...just stop. The Redskins have lost Jansen, Rabach and Thomas to injuries. During this last game, they also lost Wade and Heyer. That's 5 of their top 6 offensive linemen! You show me a team -- ANY team -- that could lose so many linemen and stay competitive. Heck, there are teams that can't even afford to lose one or two key linemen and stay competitive.

Do the Redskins have depth problems? Have they made plenty of bad personnel decisions? Sure. But you can't pin this particular loss on those issues. Place the blame on poor execution (partly due to injuries) -- and on key players crapping the bed at inopportune moments.

Posted by: jcabana | October 15, 2007 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Whoops - I mentioned Betts only because of his general malaise and lack of production this season.

Given the injury situation on the o-line and the holes many of us foresaw this season, this team is still performing above expectations at 3-2. What scares me is the remaining schedule combined with the injuries. With this many linemen out, the growing pains on offense may get much worse than they have been.

Posted by: jcabana | October 15, 2007 8:37 AM | Report abuse

I am not quite sure what to make of that game yesterday. Initially I was really disgusted by our seeming lack of killer instinct and ability to shoot ourselves in the foot.

A day later I'm struck by two things. For all that went wrong we still lost to a team with 1 loss at their place by 3 points. I'm not making excuses for anyone or satisfied with it. But we have a legit D and a legit QB.

I'm really concerned with our O-line and it's injuries but overrall this team can win and more importantly it can win going forward.

I'd love to blaim this on the coaching and they weren't great to be sure but this one falls on the players IMO. Gibbs and them have had their fairshare of skj-ups and those two timeouts were pathetic but I can't blaim them for this loss.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 8:38 AM | Report abuse

What scares me is the remaining schedule combined with the injuries. With this many linemen out, the growing pains on offense may get much worse than they have been.

Posted by: jcabana | October 15, 2007 08:37 AM

That's why losing games we should win, hurts.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Kost hit the nail on the head at 8:42

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 15, 2007 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I don't know RB. I feel like we F'd the GMen game much worse than this one. There were a couple of things that went our way in this game also.

Two TD's were called back for questionable calls. That holding call was marginal on the first TD called back and Smoot forced the TE out on that one Out of Bounds call on the second.

More disturbing to me is what Larry said last night about always pitching instead of running up the middle on 3rd and short. I don't give two F's about tendencies Sellers doesn't go backwards on running plays, feed the big man.

They need to come up with a formation that Cambell can audible to pass or handoff to Sellers with on 3rd and short.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Since there is a bunch of hate on here, I just want to go on record now that I believe this team even with its current o-line will be a playoff team.

Now, I don't expect those that are blinded by hate to see my point of view but here it is nonetheless so that when fortune turns and you come running back like some unfaithful lover to the burgandy and gold you will remember your waywardness.

The reasons I believe this team will be in the playoffs do not overlook the obvious weaknesses of this team/organization but rather compares their strengths with the rest of the division and conference.

It all boils down to schedule and how you compare in the division. This team has the qb that is playing the best in this division with the best potential to improve. Imagine next year, when Campbell has the freedom to audible out of an obvious bad play call. This team also has the best defense and special teams within the division.

Now schedule. Outside the division there is only one 'scary' opponent from the AFC with two other teams already playing for next year. The NFC teams all have issues. There is a Cardinal team with no qb, a Bucs team without a running game, Vikings team that has no passing game, a Bears team that no longer has a running game or a dominant defense.

Don't forget other NFC teams have to play tougher AFC divisions. The South play the South and the North the West. So that means that wild card spots will likely go to the two NFC East teams. So once again it comes down to how the 'skins play the Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants.

If the o line holds, Bugle should win coach of the year over all the head coaches. I'm saying it does.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Why would anyone hate on this team??!!

The play was damn good & the D was spectacular.

...So two injured receivers who shouldn't have been playing weren't able to win the game for us in the rain at Lambeaux... Big Deal.

It was a game we could have won and I believe, should have won. But we've been saying all season how this O-Line needs to stay healthy. It didn't, we put the ball on the ground and we lost the game.

Yes it's disappointing, but certainly not hate worthy.

I just wish they'd have listened to me about playing Moss & ARE. There was no reason to & it ended up costing us the game.

BTW, are Bloyds drops worse than Moss' ? I argue Moss' are worse, because you're further damaging a valuable resource.

Now, on to more important things:

How 'bout them Cowboys??!!

WWOOOO HOOOO!

Go Atlanta!

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

And hey, before you go blaming an injured player for underperforming - look at the coach who put him in instead of relying on the depth.

I maintain healthy, less experienced bodies in those situations would have let us win this one.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Dik,

Players play injured all the time in the NFL and Gibbs has been oft critisized for allowing players to decide when they are ready.

Also, what part of the hand is the groin in?

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Kost hit the nail on the head at 8:42

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 15, 2007 08:46 AM

"Should win?" I'd say the Giants game was much more of a "should win" game. But even in that game, key players went out injured in the second half that could have made a difference in the outcome.

Strength and conditioning...and in any case, yes, this team "could have been" 5-0. A lot of teams could have been undefeated, or could have been winless at this point in the season if it wasn't for a few key plays either way. That's just the nature of football: things tend to even out.

Posted by: jcabana | October 15, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

[clinking bottles on fingers together]:

"oh cowbooys faaannnsss - come out and playyyaaayyy!"

"oh cowbooys faaannnsss - come out and playyyaaayyy!"

[drives late model sedan into fog]

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 9:19 AM | Report abuse

First of all, I was so very impressed with the courage that JC showed yesterday. After watching muffs by every receiver he had on the field, he still seemed poised. He must have felt like Custer at Little Big Horn when he saw 3/5 of his line fall and knew that the Indians were coming hard after him. I have seen other veteran quarterbacks start to heave it over the coach's heads on the sidelines at that point, just so they could get their 3 and out and go to the shelter of the bench. Jason (and the Packers) knew that the running game was not going to happen when your run blocking is reduced to the third string linemen. So now you have only 1/3 of the field in which to run plays (Samuel's side)and still you try to make a game of it.
As for Moss, I levitated off the coach screaming when the pass hit him in the face mask. I have never seen a player torpedo himself like that. He was giving the team hits below the waterline on his unbelievable muffs all day long. (And I thought it was the coaches that mercifully took him out of the game but I learned that he "tweaked" his hamstring and took himself out.) One word: pathetic.
Kudos to the defence for keeping a miserable game close. The fact that Taylor could have picked off a couple more passes was aggravating but it was tempered by the fact that he was actually in position to make those plays. Last year the image would have been him chasing receivers after they had made the catch.
If people think that the next few games are going to be Redskin football with 100 yard games for Betts or Portis I think you will be horribly disappointed. Folks, offensive line=running game. We better hope for defence and long bombs.

Posted by: Dale | October 15, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Another issue that concerned me was the lack of touches for Betts? Even with Clinton limping off early in the game, he only got 3 carries?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Okay. Question of the season: has Joe's decision to let the vets work out on their own (in the offseason) contribute to all the injuries, especially the pulled muscles?

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

attaboy, dale!

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

yeah, BKBen - I heard an interview w/ Moss before the Gints game where he was all "preseason doesn't matter" and "we're pro's - we know how to handle offseason"... methinks he doth protest too much.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

How many great games has Moss had for us? I'll still take the guy on my team (I know it's not my team) any day, he's still injured and had a horrible game, but he's had a lot more good games than bad. He also manned up and put it on himself after the game instead of blaming it on the weather, injuries, etc. He will redeem himself this season, I'm sure.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | October 15, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Doc Walker hit the nail on the head this morning- said the players were dropping the balls...not the coaches. Doc said in his opinion, the playcalling was fine...definitely not the reason the Skins lost. Since Doc played professional football for many years, it appears he has much more clout to make judgment than bloggers.

In case anyone did not catch the postgame show, Gregg Williams gave major props to Jason Campbell - said he was a warrior and that he was proud of the young man.

On another note, anyone with any marketing experience knows that once someone gets on a company's mailing list they will be bombarded with emails, brochures, catalogs, etc. No big deal - happens all the time. Just delete the email and get on with your life.

Posted by: Andre | October 15, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning RI,

Wow, looks like there are some very humbled fans in here this morning, myself included. Oh man, myself included. Well it looks like there are three divisions in the NFL, the NFC, the AFC, and the New England Patroits. Doggone, Patroits! I knew we were going to take a serious "L" to those guys. They are UNBELIEVEABLE! I know its a long season, but I can seriously see them making a run at 19-0, well at least 16-0. So called analyst are claiming that Tom Brady is better than ever, it is obvious that he has the greatest talent assembled around him since, ever. These guys on offense are the truth. I mean who right now is even playing on the same level as these guys. No one. I hate to give the handjob of the millienium, but it clearly the Patroits and the rest of the league.

Since this is RI I will now speak on the Redskins. No ish talikin', that was a tough loss on many levels for you guys. First, I'll say you're beating nobody with 3/5 of you O-line gone. It ain't going down. Umm... What happend to 8-9 formally known as Santana? He really stunk the joint up yesterday. I think his hamstring/groin is really troubling him. He'll be well this season but needs to see limited PT until he is at least 90%.

Once again, no ish talkin', but Clinton Portis is done in this league as an elite back. I don't know if its injuries (I thought he was kind of crying wolf in the preseason to stay fresh for the regular season) but he has appeared to have loss a step. Where is his explosion? Was Denver's offensive line that much better? Did the 750 carries he amassed in his first two years in Washington finally take its toll? At the ripe age of 26, though? I think the Packers D-line were giving themselves a little too much credit after the game. True, injuries are a part of the game and you take that as an advantage when it doesn't affect you, but Kampman was basically pounding his self on the back. Yeah pressure was applied all day to Jason Campbell, but he was only sacked three times and the interception he threw he not entirely his fault. (IMHO, tipped paases that are intercepted are hardly ever the fault of a QB)

It looks like it was some poor clock management, but it appears it is getting better. You should expect a HOF coach to be able to manage the final minutes of a game, but people confused in the final seconds should be the expected scene when you have too many chiefs and not enough indians. And for all the "Joe must go rants", I don't know what you guys should do about that situation. Until a legitimate front office is organized, bad personnel decisions will be made, overpaid players on the roster will be the norm, and confusion will rage in DC. Tough loss for the Skins, but at least the skins didn't loose by 21! Which I'm sure many of you already are using that logic in coping with the loss.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Greg (Boston),

The problem with Betts is he isn't running the ball very well. Most of the time it's 2.5 yards and he falls down. His performance this year vs. last year is night and day.

I was a bit upset with my earlier post. I lost a little faith. But after cooling off a bit, I have different questions.

On 4th down was the called play supposed to go in the flat, or were there receivers open over the middle? If they were open, then chalk it up to a young qb.

Why is our passing game predominantly to the sidelines? Why no Cooley up the seam in the middle? Or anyone else for that matter. I watch other teams do it all day long. How about a crossing pattern?

JC needs to put air under the long ball when the guy's wide open. BUT, Santana Moss (on a normal day) or ARE make the catch that Bloyd drops.

Our defense is really, really, really good.

Bugel is working magic, but our O-line is shredded. I don't know how he can fix it.

We can make the playoffs because our defense is really, really, really good. And JC will get better. And somewhere in that 1000 page playbook there's a gameplan that will make the offense function enough, even without a good O-line.

Posted by: Mike Diamond | October 15, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Great post, Andre. Please share your opinions more frequently. There are already some here, but it's nice to see another reasonable "voice" on the blog. :-)

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Andre, great points about the emails. People act like Dan himself is sending them out.

Did Keydrick Vincent ever get signed by anyone?
I suspect we might have him in for a visit this week?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Andre, while I realize that it's the player's responsibility to hold that rock - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that an injured player will be distracted enough to make mistakes.

As far as the proliferation of advertising & marketing - do we really need to start that debate? lol.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

My neck is sore and I still only read the posts between the one I put up last night and now.

The Skins lead (and in some cases, handily so) if EVERY statistical category ... EXCEPT fumble recoveries. Nothing wrong with the coaches, the play calling, the personnel, NOTHING (except the collective groins of the O-line and Santana Moss' mojo). Charles Woodsen had ONE big play (and the equipment manager forgot to pack the rain cleats).

CP carries 20 times for something like 60ish yards. Betts - burp. Sellers - burp. They could not get the rushing game going.

So far, Santana's 2007 season is like Steve Smith's 2006 season. The guy needs to hike to some Nepalese monastery and come back when he can hear one hand clap ... actually, maybe he should be carried there and rest up the hamstring some more.

[If Sean Taylor had not flipped the ball back to Rocky on the pick, and they ground out the ball for another 20 yards, field goal would have sent it to overtime.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Mike D, while Betts hasn't been that great, I still think he needs to get more than 5 touches per game. His first carry went for 7 or 8 yesterday, keep feeding him the ball.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Greg(B), Keydrick Vincent will be here next week ... he signed with the Cardinals last week.

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

That game sucked... another blown game... There is no doubt that if these players have tha F'in DOG in em.... WE SHOULD BE UNDEFEATED! 5-0 Instead we keep doing stupid Sh!t and giving games away. At least 2 dropped INT's. 5-10 dropped catches that were big plays... 2 awful fumbles! They better wake up and get their crap together if they having any playoff aspiriations... There is no way we beat Dallas if we keep doing this incompetent crap. There is no excuse and the coaches better come down hard on some of these mistakes.

Portis has 3 fumbles in the past 3 games... Moss easily has more drops that catches this year... I don't know what's going on with him... Is he still not healthy? JC and him have not been in sync all year!

This sucks and its time to step up and whoop the Cardinals at home.. ENUF of the BS!

Posted by: E in VB | October 15, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Dx5 & the rest o' the ThRedSkins,

If it wasn't for 1 fumble being run back we wouldn't be having these discussions (like this, anyway). We'd be talking about how GREAT the D was - which it was. Hopefully the O will take advantage of it next time.

In no way should we feel humbled. This is not a team that is mistake free. I'm very interested to see how we handle NE in two weeks. I'm not ready to admit defeat on that one and I don't think the team is either.

Yes, it's disappointing, but no, it's not as bad as the Gints loss and no - it's not season ending!

Still 10-6

Hail!

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Dik, you are right - don't want to get anything started but as a long time reader I've noticed that guy goes on and on about the Skins marketing emails (I get them too). I work in marketing and sending out mass emails is something we do ALL the time. It is not exclusive to the Skins....hell, my girlfriend gets at least 3 Victoria's Secret catalogs every week. Lol

Hopefully, we can make the playoffs but honestly, I can't see anyone beating the Patriots.

Posted by: Andre | October 15, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Excuse my negativity... but enough with the moral victories... This team needs to start winning consistently and not giving games away. I'm tired of seeing wasted potential with the Redskins.

I am just still heated. I had to DVR the game and watch it last night and I still haven't got over this one...

F0CK!!!!!!!

Posted by: E in VB | October 15, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

DC, thanks for the update. Thats too bad, I thought he might be a serviceable guy.

Oh well. Might we start Demulling at RG, and move Fabini to RT? Heyer looked like he couldn't put any weight on his leg after his cleat slid out from under him.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Andre,

Good post. I don't agree that playing football gives you more clout but that's another story. In this instance I totally agree with Doc as I do most of the time.

Re: Betts

I don't think you can really judge Betts' performance at this point. It's like bringing a QB in for 5 plays a game and deciding whether or not he's good.

I do agree that Portis has lost a step. I saw two plays in the first quarter that Portis 04 would have broken for TD's. When I think back to that first play from Scrimmage in 04 and compare it with the guy playing now, he's not the same. He's still got heart but lost a gear.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

"We went to cooley 7 times in the first half, but only twice in the second half? I'm ok, with that, but if they're doubling Cooley, we need to find the guy with single coverage, and expose that."

Hey I agree, but have you thought Chris cooley may be all they have? I have said before that Santana Moss while having a big 2005 season has never showed before that he is capable of being the #1 receiver. (Stil have visions of the over the shoulder catch) The primary receiver must be able to do it all, I don't care who is the assistant head coach- offense, offensive coordinator, how many pages are in your playbook, or what variables you use to denote your receivers. Santana Moss, is with out a doubt one of the best verticle receivers in the game when healthy, is really nothing more than a receiver who excels in routes 15 yards or more past the LOS. Randel El is basically a mirror of Moss, Lloyd, I have no idea where to start with him. Actually I'm a little curious why McCardell and Caldwell didn't see a little more action. I know they are new but it wasn't like anyone else was doing much else.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

BTW - There is no way this game is on the coaches calls in the second half... How can you call good plays when all of your offensive players are dropping balls and therefore we can't get in a rythym and convert 3 downs... JC should not have thrown to Betts he rushed that throw and Betts was covered. That was a bad decision. Although, the coaches should have put them in a better position to succeed and give the damn ball to Mike Sellers.

DOC WALKER as always telling it like it is...!

Posted by: E in VB | October 15, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Dx5 a Cowboys fan?

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 15, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Andre,

I understand the concept of marketing... that's not what I'm calling a joke. I'm calling the desperate attempt by Snyder to sell tickets a joke.

Didn't a Skins ticket used to be one of the most difficult tickets to get in the league? If you got one, you were either lucky or had to spend 2 or 3 times over face value.

Compare that to what we all see now, where the team has to literally beg tens of thousands of fans with emails and mailings to come to a game, at FACE value... it's an embarrassment to the loyal fans who spend their hard money on a season ticket... and it should be an embarrassment to ownership but clearly it's not.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 15, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

yes realist

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

yeah... gave it a try... still too early.

at least the girls lost so I don't have to see CAPS.

That loss hurt.

Posted by: Dorf | October 15, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

E in VB, I disagree. The Skins' D (who was supposed to carry the team till the O got right by midseason) did to Favre what they did to Kitna (minus the embarrassing sacks).

I gotta think that at least one of those O-line groin/knee/wheel injuries was due to insufficient cleating to get leverage. I'm really hoping that Heyer's bad knee is not his left one (the one he was holding yesterday). I'm thinking that the Cards get not only DeMulling, but maybe even the new bad boy, Kili Lefotu. Being an O-lineman for the Skins seems alot like being a drummer for Spinal Tap.

In addition to Santana having his Steve Smith year, sure feels like Portis' 2007 season is repeating Shawn Alexander's 2006 season. Portis hasn't seemed like he's been enjoying the game since some time before training camp.

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya 'dre! Float some of those Vicky's catalogs this way ... huhuhuhuh.

Dx5 - props for postin' today. Do you think Belechick was miffed at the 'cheating' reports by King? I thought that last TD was salt in the wound. I also thought u guys were pounded by the zebras. They weren't callin' ANYTHINg on the pats.

Did anyone else notice the 'amptitude' of the aging NE linebackers??!! Very Romanowski-esque. Yes, I believe they're dosing in NE. Typical AFC crap (see 90's Bronco's SB win - - DOSING!)

New Topic:

Great defenses the 2007-08 NE Pats have faced. Discuss...

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I agree that this one is on the players... but some of you are still ignoring the twelve 2nd half losses since Gibby returned. That isn't all on the players. That means something seriously wrong is going on at the core (pun intended).

Again, I'll agree that yesterday was the players, but the coaching certainly didn't help. How about those 3rd and 1 and 2 pitches to the left? How about completely abandoning the run to the left altogether? How about splitting 1 or zero guys out on obvious run situations so the defense can put 10-11 guys in the box? This is stubbornness. This is ancient coaching. We saw it in the Giants game at the goal line too.

You cannot dispute the facts, which right now are at 12 and counting...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 15, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

RB,

Don't forget the other facts - 16 and counting. That's win's when we're leading at half.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

DCSWEEN, What do u disagree with?

I never knocked our Defense... They played great minus the 2 dropped balls by Sean Taylor and easy tackle Carlos Rogers should have make on the 60yd TE play in the 1st Qtr...

JC played good, but drops by Portis, Sellers, Moss, Lloyd and El are what did us in... The offense was incompetent in the 2nd half again like they were against the NY Giants...

I'm done making excuses for my team. The O-Line issuese didn't help, but in no way did the O-Line cost us the game... It should have never come to that.

Posted by: E in VB | October 15, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

RB,

I'm with you troubling statistics. In this particular case however I just can't blame the Staff. They certainly made their mistakes but 95% of the blame goes to the players for yesterday.

I saw a milk carton this morning. It had a picture of Andre Carter. Has anyone seen him? I asked Brett Favre he said he hasn't seen him.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

At Eastern Motors....

Yo job's yo cred-it...

When Clinton fumbles....

You 'bes fo-get-it....

Off to the sidelines after....
an 8-yard rumble.

That type of inconsistency leads to...
another fumble.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 15, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I meant abandon the run to the right, by the way...

bang,

Come on, bro. 16-12???? That is pitiful. Go back and read Jasno's post last week. Gibbs was like 90% in his first go around. Jeff Fisher is like 50-3 when leading at the half. Check out other coaches too.

Gibbs' stats have to be the worst percentage in the league, maybe in league history, over a period of 3+ years...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 15, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Andre Carter had five tackles in the game - four solo for second on the team. No sacks.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Holding the Packers to one cheap trick TD and one field goal & you guys are complaining about D??!! ITA.

I reiterate - one returned fumble different and we aren't talking about this game this way. WTsjk!?

Don't play hurt guys in the rain. NEXT.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Skinz,

Actually AC was there all day. He had a solid game just no stand out plays... Farve did a decent job of avoiding the rush and moving around to make time and find a receiver... Our defense did great from that standpoint!

Don't get me wrong guys... I think this team can be good, they could be darn good, but they have done so once in their 5 games against DET. Its time to stop talking and start walking. Unless we start winning these games and stop doing dumb sh1t, I'm not believing we've turned the corner yet... And that is a result of our players and coaches...

Posted by: E in VB | October 15, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I think the real question is does anyone still have fate that Gibbs is going to turn it around? The more I watch Joe Gibbs 2.0 teams squander half-time leads, the more I feel sick in my stomach.

When we were going through the Spurrier era, I used to say we need a coach like Joe Gibbs (i.e. someone with attention to detail) to turn this franchise around. When Joe Gibbs returned, i was thrilled beyond belief.

But the Gibbs that returned to football is nothing like his former self. Instead of a detail oriented, almost obsessive coach, we got this lost mild-mannered grandpa who looks asleep out on the field.

After Patriots blasted the Cowboys, Randy Moss said that Belichek will probably find things wrong with the Patriots come Monday. After Redskins blew the game, Gibbs went on and on about how "PROUD" he is of the team. What's there to be proud of? Other than Defense, there was nothing redeeming about the game. What's there for Joe Gibbs to be proud of? Moss's fumble? Portis fumble? Moss dropping pass after pass?

The more and more I watch the Patriots, the more Belichek remind me of the Real Joe Gibbs....not this imposter we have with the Redskins now.

Some of the signature Joe Gibbs style from the HOF coach...

(1) Putting teams away when he has the lead at half time
(2) Making half time adjustments whether he has the lead or whether he is trailing - JG2.0 teams prefer to keep doing the same thing if they have the lead - almost like they don't think about what adjustments the other team will do
(3) His players never make stupid mental mistakes - at least without getting benched.
(4) Good Clock Management and Time of Possession

The new Joe Gibbs seriously is lacking in those areas. With the exception of a Detriot game here or a Houston game there, Joe Gibbs 2.0 teams just don't play hard (On Offense that is).

I really think that Redskins will be beter off handing over the reign to Greg Williams and having him be responsible for overall head coach and defensive responsibilities. Have Al Saunders be fully accounteble for offense - and if his offense continues to sputter, he won't be able to make excuses.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

16-12 is better than the 'skins record in the last 15 years. That's all I'm saying. Now Fisher is no where near what you just quoted and there are heaps of coaches with worse. How many coaches have even been ahead in 28 games in four years - last year clearly the d's fault every other year its on Gibbs.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Don't Wayne me, BRO!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Well, the 0-6 guy is finally here having needed time to catch up with all the posts!
I recorded your game and watched it last night, yuk.

That crew made a LOT of bad calls both ways, but that said you guys really lucked out with the Franks "TD" (why isn't that a force out or even pass interference on Smoot?) and the two successive holding calls you got, one of which was when Favre completed a pass into the end zone. Sure there were some blown calls your way but the Packers had 2x TDs taken away!

The D played well (Carlos Rogers excepted, I thought he was back to horrible again) and your offense seemed to go back to that 'no identity' thing again, although I sympathise when you have no linemen to put out on the field.

On the evidence of that game, neither team will strike fear into anyone. I think this is the high-water mark in the season for the Packers to me, they will fade away from here.

The Skins can only play better than that, but that whole clock management thing - can't they try and run some real-time game drills or something, it was terrible.

Oh, and F Miami!! When it was 24-3 I thought it was going to get really ugly like our 23-0 loss last year, but at least we saved some face by scoring 31.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 15, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Funny, Lefotu was most likely going to be cut after his recent arrest. The injuries to the O line probably has saved him.

Ricky, while the coaches may have their problems, do you remember what it was like before Gibbs came back? It was a coaching carousel, player carousel, and Snyder was involved to the nth degree. At least Snyder has stepped back since Gibbs return and we have some stability. I can almost promise you that if (and when) Gibbs leaves, the old Snyder ways will RETURN.

Posted by: Andre | October 15, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Ok, since the overranked status of the Pats doesn't keep you from crying in your spilt milk, how about NEXT WEEK:

Has anyone seen any 'swingin' souls' type response to the game by JG, yet?

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

DCSWEEN, What do u disagree with?

Posted by: E in VB | October 15, 2007 10:26 AM

" ... That game sucked... another blown game... There is no doubt that if these players have tha F'in DOG in em.... WE SHOULD BE UNDEFEATED! 5-0 Instead we keep doing stupid Sh!t and giving games away. At least 2 dropped INT's. 5-10 dropped catches that were big plays... 2 awful fumbles! ..." - E in VB.

>>> I disagreed with the part about the players having DOG in them. Pack secondary and WRs, like Skins secondary and WRs dropped stuff in their hands. Wet day. I can't disagree, however, about the game sucking and the fumbles being awful. Also, from the later post, could be that the O-line problems had something to do with the crapitude in the rushing game.

You are also right that there were some "big play" opportunities knocking on the door (like Lloyd, Brandon's chance to atone for past sins and hang onto the ball that passed btwn his fingertips and wrists), and no one answered the door.

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I think Peter King was just trying to fire up the Patroits, everyone is still going to bring this up everytime they appear to be facing off against a equal opponent. It adds a little more drama to the game.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I thought that Carter had an ok game, he got some pressure, and batted one pass back at Favre. We don't have a stud on the line, so good offensive lines will just stone us.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Dik, couldn't agree more with your point about the D.

There isn't much about yesterday's game I'd have changed except for the drops and fumbles of a wet ball. I have to actually say that Lloyd made a great effort on the deep ball. Carter played well and had a good play coming from the opposite side of the field to chase down Farve but i guess that wasn't a sack. Moss killed us but that is a rare thing. I would like to see Portis benched. He makes one play then walks off the field and comes back in when he wants? Please! I love this team and will take all that goes with it but CP is a biotch. I like the tandem of Betts and Sellers better anyway. At least they WANT to play! I hope Portis gets dumped or traded. Is there an Eastern Motors in Baltimore?

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 15, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

When have the Pats faced an equal opponent? Perhaps in November?

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

anon at 10:34,

that was poetry, sheeeeer poetry. I give you and A + + + + +...

bang,

come on... you are clearly looking through your burgundy glasses. a 16-12 record when leading at the half (57% hold record) is atrocious. flat out atrocious.

I wish someone could show me a list of current coaches and their winning % when leading at the half. My guess is that our HOF coach is in the bottom quarter. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my words and admit it, but something tells me I'm right... especially when we already know he's blown the most games since 2004.

this is a HOF coach we're talking about, not some rookie who has just taken over the Oakland Raiders...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 15, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Bill Parcells "You are what your record says you are" and with that we are a bit better than .500 with an OT win against an 0-6 team.

Posted by: Da Truef | October 15, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

My point exactly. That is why the Patroits appear to play a team that belongs in the same stadium.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm not saying 57% is good enough. Obviously if Gibbs 2.0 was as good as 1.0 in this area alone we wouldn't be hearing your biatching, but...it is better than what the team has done over the course of this dark history (since last super bowl win).

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Andre,

I agree that we've had more stability in terms of coaching, but has it worked?

If there was one thing I hoped Gibbs could bring to this team, and specifically Snyder, it was to sit that dope down and tell him that you can't win in today's NFL by doing things the way he was trying to do them. But Gibbs suprisingly bought into it, and it's failed, just like it failed under Spurrier (I refuse to say it failed under Marty because he was fired despite finishing his only year at 8-3).

I wish I could say I have a lot of hope for the direction of this team, but it's hard, because like you said, Snyder is waiting in the wings when Joe leaves.


Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 15, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I didn't think we'd win this past week (it's on the blog.) I think we'll win against the Cards - and - start the drum roll - against New England!! I don't think they can continue this clip - and they almost lost it in BigD until the holes in the Cowboys D finally became too gaping to cover up with offense.

Wayne (we're actually having a discussion!? awesome!) - I can't agree on CP, bro. He's been hurt & he's tryin'. I don't think he'll ever be what he once was - but he'll give you everything he has. Take a young back in the draft & bring him up w/ JC - I think that's our best option.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm not saying 57% is good enough. Obviously if Gibbs 2.0 was as good as 1.0 in this area alone we wouldn't be hearing your biatching, but...it is better than what the team has done over the course of this dark history (since last super bowl win).

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 10:49 AM


If you look at it position by position, this year's team has MORE TALENT than any other team since the last Superbowl team.

Norv Turner NEVER had this kind of talent...his go to reciever was Michael Westbrook for crying out loud.

Spurrier - He was trying to win with Waffle, Shane, and Ramsey

Marty - Tony Banks - enough said

Gibbs 2.0 is wasting the talent this team has with poor coaching....the reality is that this year is probably his best shot to do something. Even he admitted it before the season saying that he has all the pieces he need this year. Even Gibbs admitted that this year is all on him...so far 2 blown leads in first 5 games against mediocre opponents really show what kind of coach Gibbs is now.

Stop trying to bring up the past....I think we can all agree that JG2.0 is nothing like the real Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Okay, it's Monday and yesterday's game has now gone by the wayside for us. I am sure the team will be watching film right about now and mostly talking about the drops (including at least 2 other sure 'pick Taylor should have had)and fumbles. The good news is that we have the RedBirds coming to town. How about a nice serving of 200+ rushing yards? How about JC only having to toss 20 passes? How about taking out the team's frustrations on Tim Ratte' (if he's the starting QB) and the 'Edge'. How about most importantly, not looking past Arizona and just pummelling them like the 'Pats did to the Cowgirls?

Winning is a great deodorant.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 15, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

BALANCE!

beep boop boop!

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I think we'll win against the Cards - and - start the drum roll - against New England!!
Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 10:55 AM


New England is a Well Coached team...they don't play down to the level of the competition. They will be ready to destroy the Redskins.

Redskins may play up to the level of competition and lose a close one...but the Redskins are equally likely to play down to the level of competition and lose a close one to the Cardinals as well.

It all points to lack of preparation - mostly on offense.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

More often than not, before Gibbs 2.0, the Redskins didn't have a chance against their opponents. What Redskins fans must understand is that Gibbs reitred in 92', right? He returned in 2004, giving him a 14 year hiatus. While I think he may be a little too conservative at times, I think it is completly unfair to expect him, and him alone, to turn this franchise around. He was gone for fourteen years so expecting him to turn it around in three is crazy. I can still understand the fustration though, it seems the team seriously regressed last year. I think he should've not hired Al Saunders. When Saunders was hired, players were questioning why. I think that shows that there is a lack of communication between players and coaching staff, which also is displayed when confirming injuries. Lack of communication and being conservative a little too much will land you between the 4-12 range and 9-7 range every year, the only thing that decides what end of the spectrum you will reside at the end of the year is talent and depth.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Ooops, 12 years between Gibbs 1.0 and Gibbs 2.0, mi badd.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

While rushing for 200 sounds like the perfect elixir for what ails us, I'm not sure that its realistic to think that with a 2nd string rg, and a 4th string rt, we could do that. We need to get some offensive continuity going. Get Moss going, etc.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Must throw the ball to win. Pass to set up run. When/If the o-line can heal up, then run.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

andre, did you read what cooley said? he's also a good player and probly will end up being better than doc. and you can't pick and chose what doc and the other ex-professionals say. cuz don't forget to mention that he and mcgee have a big problem with the star players taking themselves out on offense. and that is coaching! (that's not me saying it that's doc and mcgee saying it.)

Posted by: dealer | October 15, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

From Steinberg's blog... I mentioned it here last night but now that someone else picked up on it, I have to point out again how troubling it is....

Does Gibbs have any clue what's going on? He seems so out of it on the sidelines...


"Also, did you see when the camera showed Gregg Williams loudly speaking with Gibbs just before halftime? "If we get a first down, let it run down" he appeared to say. The offense has the ball, and the defensive coordinator is instructing the head coach on clock management? Help?"

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 15, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Dik-

I think there are some holes on the Cowboys defense, but New England has run up 30+ in all six games and the points per game is straight gaudy with 38. The defense has allowed PS3-esque numbers 15.3 per. This team is from another planet right now.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

RC,

Thanks for the A+ forgot to put my name.

I agree with alot of what you are saying. Gibbs has not been very Gibbs 1.0, not just in winning but things like second half adjustments, turnover battles and beating themselves.

I truly believe that, the NFL a team finds a way to lose more than it's opponent finds a way to win. Yesterday both teams tried to blow it for the other. Unfortunately we won (at losing).

Having said that, I think (and this is the first year I have thought it) that this organization is irefutably better off than it was pre gibbs. By no means is it perfect but it's not horribly disfunctional.

Reason:

We have a QB. (I'm not convinced he's a top 3-5 qb in the league but better than we've had in a while)

We have the vast majority of our draft picks next year and all the year after.

We have a defensive identity. It's clear now that last year was the exception since '04.

We have players who have years left on their contract and appear to be ballers like ARE, Reaper, Landry, Rockymac, Monty, Goldston, etc.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Anytime a offense is averaging 430 yards plus, and the defense is barely allowing over 250 yards a game, I have three words for you:

Super Bowl Champions

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

re: moss, that's still bugging me. skins were only down by 3 points. and it's not like there's a star rookie playing behind moss...it's goddang what's his face #85!!!!

all he had to do was make ONE PLAY and it could've changed the game and erased all his sins for that game.

maybe moss could've caught the ball #85 couldn't get to. GAME! ONE PLAY! i am soooooooo disappointed.

Posted by: dealer | October 15, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

anyone have Cowhers phone #? if so, please send it to redskins park when you get a chance. Thanks, in advance.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah forgot to mention funniest moment in the game yesterday. After Double Move's "tackle" attempt on that 42 yard catch and run yesterday watch Landry, in pursuit, just push Rogers out of the way.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Hey gutless wonder - post a name.

I'll be happy to serve crow to those taking in a couple weeks. As I am serving up today to any Cowpatty fan who was preaching the destruction of said cheating Pats team the past few weeks.

Humble Crow Pie. Eat It.

And to those who believe the game has passed Gibbs by - I don't think so. I think it forgot what Gibbs had to tell it. If he gets another two years - the league will have come back around. I like Gibbs ball. I like Gibbs 2.0 - many new challenges to his style - even on his own team.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Can Mike Sellers play guard? I am only kidding - sort of. Every team loses linemen but the advantage lies in the rest of the players' knowledge of the system they've had in place now for at least a couple years. I would submit that Barry Sanders may have never been half as amazing as he was if he'd had a healthy consistent line. It matters, yes, but the 'Skins should be at a point where they can plug in a new wide-body here and there on the line by now.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 15, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Dx5,

The Pats are great to be sure. It's still early however. They havent' played a great D yet. Your D is ok but your safeties are horrible in coverage and that was exposed yesterday.

Had you guys started with MB3 and kept pounding it you'd have had a better shot at that game. I am not sure you wouldn't still be 5-1 or worse if you still had had Parcells but they wouldn't have hung 50 points on you either.

Trying to get into a shootout with the Pats is a bad idea. Garrett is a good Coord but he still thinks like a QB.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Wayne, don't forget about me. Only character guys on the Redskins, eh?

Posted by: Kili Lefotu | October 15, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

re: moss, that's still bugging me. skins were only down by 3 points. and it's not like there's a star rookie playing behind moss...it's goddang what's his face #85!!!!

all he had to do was make ONE PLAY and it could've changed the game and erased all his sins for that game.

maybe moss could've caught the ball #85 couldn't get to. GAME! ONE PLAY! i am soooooooo disappointed.

Posted by: dealer | October 15, 2007 11:16 AM

The drops that Moss had - they were drops. He made half hearted attempts to go get JC's passes that were more or less on the money. The one that he dropped after his fumble led to 7 pts for GB...that hit him on his damn FACEMASK.

Lloyd - That's just a bad throw by JC. HE was wide open and JC Overthrew him like he overthrew to Moss in the Eagles game. the fact that it was so close was because Lloyd made a good attempt for the ball. That;s more than you can say for Moss.

You are so obsessed with Lloyd bashing that you want to blame him for everything.

If Lloyd was starting in place of Moss from the start, the skins come away with the win yesterday.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Brandon,

Stop blogging on your off day!

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Why are there so many groin/hamstring problem on our line? Are they not weight training, running, stretching properly?? You mostly see these type of injuries happening to the speedsters on any team...why so many on our O-line?

Posted by: POOP | October 15, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Brandon,

Stop blogging on your off day!

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 11:27 AM


At least Sunday wasn't an off day for me...only Moss took an offday on Sunday

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Dx5 - you're not crowning the Pats just 'cause they beat you, are ya? They haven't played one real defense yet!! Let's see how they do against us & Indy and, hey, here's a novel idea - wait 'till the Superbowl to crown someone, ok? lol.

Again, props for showin up today.

" | ", Cowher doesn't want any part of Napoleon. Wayne - Sellers as guard - I love it!

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Sellers as a guard...I like it.

At least that way he won't be running out to the flats on crucial 3rd downs and dropping passes.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Ho! Ho! Ho!

I'm back again folks handing out NFL wins under the Christmas Tree!!!

Tom Coughlin got his gift, and luckily it saved his career and resurrected the Giants season. I also have McCarthy on my list... better check his name off too.

Ho! Ho! Ho!

I'm making my list, checking it twice, better find out how many more halftime leads I can blow, Gibby clause is coming to town!!!!

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 15, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Moss only did what his coaches asked him to. He has a GROIN INJURY! durrrrr.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm making my list, checking it twice, better find out how many more halftime leads I can blow, Gibby clause is coming to town!!!!

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 15, 2007 11:30 AM


you sure are generous Joey

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Silly stat of the day:

The Redskins are undefeated in games where neither team wears yellow pants.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Skinz, I noticed Landry's move on Rogers too. It was the only move I saw Landry make yesterday, though.

Posted by: Andre | October 15, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

uh, before the spelling police get me UP HERE, I meant Gibby Claus.

NFL coaches, please remember to line up at the Ashburn mall over the next few weeks. you can sit on my lap and request that we blow another half time lead for your team. I already have requests from Wade Phillips (boy, he'll be a heavy one), Andy Reid (another lap crusher), and Tom Coughlin.. AGAIN. Wonder what he wants. Bellicheck said he'd pass on the invite because he simply doesn't need the gift.

Ho! Ho! Ho!

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 15, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Hey sukka a$$ Dallas Fan (not u, Dx5) But this guy:

Posted by: | October 15, 2007 11:30 AM
Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 15, 2007 11:30 AM
Posted by: | October 15, 2007 11:28 AM

How did your team do yesterday?? Have some Pie! It's Crow.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Moss only did what his coaches asked him to. He has a GROIN INJURY! durrrrr.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 11:31 AM


Joe Gibbs: Hey Santana
Santana Moss: Yeah Joe
Joe Gibbbs: Can you drop all the passes thrown your way?
Santana: No problem coach..i will even defelct one so JC gets an interception
JG: I am real proud of you...but i need a little more from you
Santana: How about I lay in on the groud so GB can return it for TD
JG: I knew you will try real hard for me

Yep. Santana only did what Gibbs asked him to do.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I remember Landry shoving Rogers out of his way yesterday and that was funny. I don't know what other hairs to split here. the game is over and the Redskins lost - but they weren't "beaten" if you know what I mean. Fortunately, the issues that caused them to lose the game are fixable. They ran okay and JC's stats suffered from about 10 clear drops. That won't happen next week. I'd like them to keep doin' what they're doin' and end next week with a win and hopefully no major injuries.

Dik, I am not budging on Portis. I know you think he's lost a step and that's saying a lot cause he is at that ripe old age of what, 25 or 26? Get him a colostomy bag. I think he's lazy. You all have to understand, he doesn't LOVE this team or live and die with this team - it's his job. He already got paid so, to him, what's most important is just doing what he needs to do to get by. I see no sacrifice from CP, no hunger, no extra effort, no leadership. I think he, for lack of a better word - sucks. Clinton who? I see no effort from him. you can tell by his expression, the way he walks, the way he carries himself. I don't like him at all. I want Betts and Sellers with the occasional changeup of Cartwright.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 15, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Dik,

Can you please send me the link that said the coaches asked him to play? Please don't create your own reality here. Gibbs said that Moss will tell him if he could play or not for last weeks game. My guess is that this week was the same. So I can believe you that it was the coaches fault or I can believe Moss who said it was his fault.

Just because you think it, doesn't make it true...durrr

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Andre,

I agree, I didn't see Landry make many plays but it's not like they ran the ball and if he's playing cover-2 then he is a CB for all intents and purposes. When CBs have their names called it's never a good thing.

I think he plays right into the system and gets his coverages down. Reaper either was baiting Favre yesterday or made up for some blown coverages with his athletism.

I loved what Favre had to say about Taylor though.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

He knows when your career's in jeopardy...
He knows when your team needs a win...

He knows that run-run-pass-punt doesn't work, but he keeps doing it for goodness sake...

Oh, you better not pout, you better not cry... Gibby Claus is coming to town.

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 15, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I agree with 10:34, it's time to let Al completely take over the offensive duties. His teams scored and Gibbs plays just too conservatively now with bad second half adjustments.

Posted by: charlie | October 15, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

F Cowher...hiring him is more Snyder nonsense I say.

Grimm baby!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Greg(Boston | October 15, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Dik,
Nah i'm not pulling out the authentic Denny Green crown, but... aww hell, I'm not lying anyomore. I'm crowin' their arses! I just can't see anyone knocking them off the top spot, and if they don't win it all this year they're going to at least be in the conference championship. They really haven't played anyone with a legit defense yet, although San Diego finally appears to finally be on track. I don't know yet, as of right now they appear to be slated to play each other in the division round. We'll see.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

OMFG - you guys are actually asking a player to TAKE HIMSELF out of a game?! And then complain when he does... (see CP criticism)

Skinz - A great player like Moss will always want to go in a game - even if he shouldn't. What - he's a doctor?! Weren't they saying on the broadcast that an integral GB player was out 3 weeks w/ a groin?? And if you look at my posts ALL LAST WEEK - I called the Moss issue. So have some pie yourself. It's a frekkin' Groin! you don't come back from that in a week. He hasn't been the same all season.

And DallA$$ fan Gibbs Poster - looks like you're up for a second helping - Want some pu$$y whip w/ that?!? hahahahahahah!!!

Posted by: DIK | October 15, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I have a hunch regarding our coaching situation. I see St. Joe retaining his role as team president after this season, but getting off the sideline. I also see Grilliams getting what will amount to an audition as head coach next year, what would have been the final year of Coach Gibbs' coaching contract. If things are no better, then they blow the whole thing up (yet again *sigh*) after the 2008 season.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

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