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Rabach now the veteran on Redskins' offensive line

When Casey Rabach arrived as the starting center for the Redskins in 2005, he was 27 and entering just his fourth year in the NFL. The right tackle was Jon Jansen, a six-year veteran on his way to becoming a franchise pillar. The left tackle was Chris Samuels, a mainstay at the position for an entire decade. Randy Thomas was to Rabach's right as the guard there, entering his seventh season, and Derrick Dockery was the baby of the bunch, entering just his third NFL season.

Now, Rabach is 32 and the de facto captain of Washington's offensive line. As organized team activities continue this week, he is anchoring a group that includes a rookie, Trent Williams, at left tackle, and his role has fundamentally changed.

"You think of the difference, because you come in with a group of guys that, when I first got here, was a very veteran, leadership group on the offensive line," Rabach said last week. "They're all gone. It's kind of strange, but it's just part of the job, because that's just part of the business of the NFL. Things change year to year."

Rabach, however, has missed just one game in his five years with the team, starting 79 of 80 regular season games. As the unit becomes more familiar with the techniques new coach Mike Shanahan - and his offensive line coach, Chris Foerster - want in Shanahan's zone-blocking scheme, Rabach is doing some teaching as he learns.

"The past couple years, I've tried to help as much as I could help if anybody ever had a question," Rabach said. "I'm never going to change that. This year, with new guys and the bigger turnover, I'm answering a few more questions here and there.

"But what I try to do each and every day is just come out and set an example of how I work. I'm not a rah-rah guy by any means. I just come out and work every day to try to improve the things that I need to improve upon, and hopefully if I work hard, they'll follow."

Rabach called Foerster - who replaced the legendary Joe Bugel - "an amazing coach." But Foerster will be under some scrutiny to shape a unit that has undergone sweeping changes. The lineup around Rabach, for now, is as follows: Trent Williams in Samuels's old position at left tackle; Dockery back at left guard for a second season after two years in Buffalo; Mike Williams, in improved shape from 2009, at right guard; and, for now, veteran free agent Artis Hicks at right tackle, though Stephon Heyer is still on the roster.

Rabach has long been a supporter of Mike Williams, who arrived with the Redskins during the 2009 off-season at more than 400 pounds, at guard.

"Mike came in last year after losing 100 pounds, and his body had a hard time adjusting to that new weight and all that stuff," Rabach said. "I think Mike played pretty well last year, but was still trying to figure out how to use that frame...This year he looks like a totally different player. He's the player that we expected him to be when they signed him here. And I think guard's a great position for him, because he can just get his hands on a guy right away and just maul 'em."

Rabach also said he has been impressed with Trent Williams, the fourth overall selection in the April draft.

"Trent's an amazing athlete, first and foremost," Rabach said. "For his size - I think he's 315 pounds - ...his feet are really amazing. What he lacks in knowing, responsibility-wise, he makes up for in ability. He may do a funky set and get beat, but he's so athletic he can recover from that. I'm just excited to see when he fully gets this offense down what kind of player he can be."

There has been a great deal of talk this off-season about the Redskins' transformation into a zone-blocking scheme, a signature of Shanahan's offenses in Denver. Rabach, though, believes the linemen will adapt just fine.

"The techniques that Coach Shanahan brought here are a little bit different," Rabach said. "The way Chris is teaching it is a little bit different. But it's not a drastic overhaul by any means. You can only block an outside zone or an inside zone so many different ways."

By Barry Svrluga  |  June 8, 2010; 9:19 AM ET
 
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Posted by: p1funk | June 8, 2010 8:52 AM |

They'll let them play tonight, and whoever loses, they will bail them out in game 4.

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 8, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I hope Rabach works out better in this new scheme. I thought he was one of the O linemen that needed to be replaced in the off season. Seemed like he played on roller skates - always four yards deep in our own backfield. No place for the QB to step up.

The new scheme may help with that, but I don't remember him dominating guys in front of him, but willing to see what happens.

Posted by: edvar | June 8, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

"Rabach now the veteran on Redskins' offensive line"


How is this so?

a.) contract

b.) ability

c.) no other choices

d.) answers a and c

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Like what he said about the rook and BMW. Hope he's not blowing smoke.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 8, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Kobe will get his playoff normal 30/5/7,

which by the way, he's yet to get in this playoff series, but whatever I guess...

I like to play fantasy land too....Rayray shoots 16/16 from 3 point land tonight....

how'd I do??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I’m not counting on it, but it would be really nice to see big Mike Williams turn into a stud guard. Really nice. I would even tip my hat to vinny if he works out for us.

Anyone else excited to watch Strasburg pitch tonight?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 8, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

dl, yeah, I think he's gonna be a stud...same with the kid they picked last night...bryce harper...WOW, is he talented....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Kobe will get his playoff normal 30/5/7,

which by the way, he's yet to get in this playoff series, but whatever I guess...

I like to play fantasy land too....Rayray shoots 16/16 from 3 point land tonight....

how'd I do??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse
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Kobe went for 30 points, 7 rebounds, and 6 assists in game 1 Thursday (sue me, I was off by one assist), and has been consistently produced numbers in that range throughout the entire playoffs except for a couple of games here and there. My original 30/5/7 are not just fantasy numbers at all.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 8, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Rabach is the leader of this offensive line? Ouch.

I'd rate the OL this way:

C Rabach: Knows the position, makes the calls, but isn't particularly talented or strong or athletic. Gets beat way too often. He'd be gone if the Skins had any options. Grade: C+

RT Artis Hicks: Spent the last 3 years as a backup guard/tackle. He started ONCE at right tackle last year. Couldn't stay healthy. He's journeyman backup quality. Now he's expected to start at RT? That tells you how back Heyer is. Grade: D+

RG Mike Williams: No storybook ending here. Wouldn't be playing if the Skins had options. Not a bad mauler but but too slow and out-of-shape for ZBS. Grade: D

LG Derrick Dockery: Solid, not spectacular. Not a good fit for ZBS. Grade: B-

LT Trent Williams: Rookie LT joining arguably the worst line in the league. Should be great in the long term, but is going to face some monster rush ends in the NFC East right out of the gate. Not going to be pretty. Grade: Unknown

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | June 8, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Moe -- Rabach was a free agent and Skins resigned him -- so ability certainly was a factor and I'd add leadership to the list as well...

Posted by: siris | June 8, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

As always Greg is all over someone's mistake. You're right Beano. Kobe hasn't had 30/5/7 in this series. It was 30/6/7 he had in Game 1. I am sure you can understand the young Lakers' fan's enthusiasm.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 8, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Will 'the thrill' Montgomery will have an impact this year.

Posted by: 21stCenturyCaveman | June 8, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Harper will be a stud. As will Strasburg as will our new LT.

Things are looking up in the DC sports world after a decade of misery. Not to mention the Skins going back to an old school look, and so may the bullets as well.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 8, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Kobe will get his playoff normal 30/5/7,

which by the way, he's yet to get in this playoff series, but whatever I guess...

I like to play fantasy land too....Rayray shoots 16/16 from 3 point land tonight....

how'd I do??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 9:51 AM
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bean, got tix? I am lining up game 4 and taking my 10 year old.. who will be wearing his Riggins jersey. I had to say "no" to his Portis jersey since I didnt want us dodging various fluids and solids all night.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 8, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

There are not that many elite centers out there, how many teams can claim they have one?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 8, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

**NBA Post**

If Rondo plays like he did in game 5 and throughout the playoffs, this series is DONE in 5.


Dude is the key. All they have to do is let either Allen and/or Pierce get off in the first half or at certain spots in the game, and if it's close in the 4th let Rondo take it over with his driving ability on offense and shutdown defense.

Anyway you put it, tonight doesn't look to good for the Lakers.

**MLB Post**

Strasburg appears to be the real deal, but lets see how he does in his first game before we go naming towns after him.

And, help me out here: How is one guy, a pitcher at that, suppose to turn an entire franchise around?

Some Nats fans are straight delusional.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Kobe will get his playoff normal 30/5/7,

which by the way, he's yet to get in this playoff series, but whatever I guess...

I like to play fantasy land too....Rayray shoots 16/16 from 3 point land tonight....

how'd I do??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 9:51 AM


Maybe, but it will take Kobe 30 plus shots to do it. Celtics win easily tonight.

Posted by: dcwun | June 8, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

And, help me out here: How is one guy, a pitcher at that, suppose to turn an entire franchise around?

Some Nats fans are straight delusional.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Long term, hopefully gives them someone they can build a team around.

Short term, creates buzz and puts people in seats(team makes more money/hopefully spends it improving). Also gives them a chance to win a few more games this year in a tight NL East.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 8, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Strasburg appears to be the real deal, but lets see how he does in his first game before we go naming towns after him.

And, help me out here: How is one guy, a pitcher at that, suppose to turn an entire franchise around?

Some Nats fans are straight delusional.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

A stud pitcher giving up an ERA around say 2.00 or below can get you about 20 wins by himself......that almost half as many as the Nats won all of last year. Pitching is the most important position in baseball

Posted by: rupertpupkin | June 8, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Strasburg appears to be the real deal, but lets see how he does in his first game before we go naming towns after him.


Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Too late
http://maps.google.com/maps/place?rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=strasburg,+va&fb=1&gl=us&ftid=0x89b5beca53bf7d63:0xc6c6351811afff60&ei=l1IOTMyGL8SBlAfu76lt&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCEQ8gEwAA

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 8, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I think a lot of us Nats fans are excited not just about SS but about the overall culture surrounding the team. Much like the skins they completely purged their front office of crackpots like Bowden for proven and dependable minds, new GM, new scouting department, new manager. You start building a younger core adding to stars like Zimmerman. Guys like Ian Desmond, J Zimmerman, D Storen also have people excited. You throw SS in to the mix as one of the biggest prospects in the history of the game then add a just as highly touted young star in Byrce Harper and it becomes very easy to see why nats fans are optimistic.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 8, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

And, help me out here: How is one guy, a pitcher at that, suppose to turn an entire franchise around?
Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse


Red,

A starting pitcher if they were to make all their starts usually has 32 starts a season.

Stras is an Ace pitcher who can maybe win 20+ of his 32 starts vs a pitcher like Stammen who wins 10 of his starts on a great season.

Baseball is a game where the difference between .500 and being the top team in the league is usually between 20-30 wins.

Thats why 1 rock star Ace has an impact because the range between average and great as a team is so small. You put him on a team where the rest of the pitching gets you to .500 your looking at a wild card.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 8, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

What if???

* Donovan McNabb rapidly starts to show age and isn't anywhere near what he was with the Eagles, and spends most of the season on RI?

* John Wall is an all out BUST in the mold of Dajuan Wagner?

* Strasburg blows out his rotator cuff before the season is over?

* Ovechkin and the Caps don't make it to the Stanley Cup and before his "lifetime" contract is up he demands a trade?

That stuff would suck molded donkey ass. But seeing how that is the SOP for DC sports, I wouldn't be surprised in the least.

At least psps23 will have lame ass soccer to cheer for.

GO-ooooooo...

Wait, who's playing again? I mean, who's on the US team that's even worth a damn?

A bunch of nameless and irrelevant bamas. It's sad when the only guy they're pimping on the US team is just an average player compared to the rest of the guys in the sport on the World level.

At least the bars and pubs in D.C. will open up early so we can watch the US get their taints handed to them on the world stage (but what really isn't any different than the norm)...

'Oh wait, what's that?'

'Ah -- No alcohol? Don't talk about -- no alcohol?! You kidding me?! No alcohol?!'

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Red, you still calling Pau soft. SMH. He's shooting over 60%, avging 24/11. Please stop. Your pre-series assessment of him was wrong. I told you he's not afraid of Garnett. He's taken KG to the Pau Gasol basketball camp. He's made KG look like he's wearing cement Chucks.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 8, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Odom is the one who has been MIA.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 8, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

You guys are coming off like Strasburg will pitch complete games every time he starts. He still has to have run support (which can be shaky more than often with the Nats), and he still has to rely on the bullpen to close out games.

What's the Nats bullpen cumulative ERA?

I hope like hell that he's the truth and wins 20 games every season.


Another thing that worries me is that Riggleman doesn't believe in pitch counts.

Well maybe he should. After all wasn't he MARK PRIOR's pitching coach with the Cubs?

Last I heard Mark Prior was bagging groceries. I would hate to see that happen to Strasburg.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

@ Red- The first of your what if scenarios is the only one I'm worried about.

Still an O's fan
Couldn't care less about the Wizards
I have never understood the rules of Hockey
Soccer....well, it's soccer

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Odom is the one who has been MIA.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 8, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse
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He's going to have to start showing up in order for the good guys to win this series. A handful of points and 10 fouls in two games just isn't good enough. His inconsistency has reared its ugly head at the most inopportune moment. I'd like him to start producing something like 10-12 points and 8-10 rebounds per game.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 8, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

**MLB Post**

Strasburg appears to be the real deal, but lets see how he does in his first game before we go naming towns after him.

And, help me out here: How is one guy, a pitcher at that, suppose to turn an entire franchise around?

Some Nats fans are straight delusional.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 10:11 AM

He's playing against the Pittsburgh Pirates for Christ's Sakes! They are nothing but a AAA team and has been for almost 20 years now.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 8, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

lh, those "11" boards he was averaging (I say "was" cause that'll shrink dramatically after tonight's beating he'll take) was a from the 14 board anomaly he put up in game one.

Game 2. Minus six on the boards from game one.

He had a chip on his shoulder from 2008, got his rocks off in game one, got a little too cute after game one with his comments about KG, came out in game two and went -6 on the boards. Yeah a '5' he AIN'T!

I'm tellin' ya, that little exchange with Pau and Perkins didn't go unnoticed with Paul Pierce and the rest of the Celtics. Pierce had some words for him and then hacked him with about 10 seconds left (with them up by nearly 10) -- and was jawing at him between his FT attempts.

Lakers and their fans need to be really concerned with Paul Pierce tonight.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

@Red, it's ok to be optimistic sometimes.

Also, F the Orioles and Peter Angelos.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 8, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

baseball needs a PITCH CLOCK: the pitcher has to give batter 5 seconds to get ready, then has to deliver the pitch within 7-10 seconds. that's all they need. catcher and base coaches would still have enough time to give signals.

the amount of time between pitches these days is crazy.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 8, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

lh, those "11" boards he was averaging (I say "was" cause that'll shrink dramatically after tonight's beating he'll take) was a from the 14 board anomaly he put up in game one.

Game 2. Minus six on the boards from game one.

He had a chip on his shoulder from 2008, got his rocks off in game one, got a little too cute after game one with his comments about KG, came out in game two and went -6 on the boards. Yeah a '5' he AIN'T!

I'm tellin' ya, that little exchange with Pau and Perkins didn't go unnoticed with Paul Pierce and the rest of the Celtics. Pierce had some words for him and then hacked him with about 10 seconds left (with them up by nearly 10) -- and was jawing at him between his FT attempts.

Lakers and their fans need to be really concerned with Paul Pierce tonight.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse
__________

Mister objectivity himself speaks again.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 8, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

4th, the Pirates have Andrew McCutchen (CF). Besides that guy, I don't know anyone else on their team.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

You guys are coming off like Strasburg will pitch complete games every time he starts. He still has to have run support (which can be shaky more than often with the Nats), and he still has to rely on the bullpen to close out games.

What's the Nats bullpen cumulative ERA?

I hope like hell that he's the truth and wins 20 games every season.


Another thing that worries me is that Riggleman doesn't believe in pitch counts.

Well maybe he should. After all wasn't he MARK PRIOR's pitching coach with the Cubs?

Last I heard Mark Prior was bagging groceries. I would hate to see that happen to Strasburg.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

They have said he is on a pitch count this season even though Riggs thinks they are silly he said he was going to use it with SS, we are not going to the playoffs this season, but if things go right there's a chance next season.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 8, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

@Red, it's ok to be optimistic sometimes.

Also, F the Orioles and Peter Angelos.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 8, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Word, their showing Strasburgs debut game on MASN2, so no HD. AngelOs blOw!

Posted by: Stu27 | June 8, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

snagm, how'd you get tix?? I don't have that kind of connection, so no on that, I would however be willing/able to guy you many a frosty beverage if you took me, instead of your kid...think about it....

so kobe didn't get to the 30/5/7 in game 1, did he get there in game #2??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else notice Rabach looks alot like UFC fighter Shane Carwin? Difference is, Carwin doesn't spend as much time on his back.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 8, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

What's the status of Jared Gaither? I would love to pick that guy up...No homo

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 7, 2010 3:52 PM

He just re-signed with Baltimore. No go for us on him.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 8, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

ppsrt8, I'm used to be too optimistic, had to get a little more pessimistic, so I could be indifferent. Hope that makes sense.

Hey 713, kiss my objective blackass. Where were you yesterday 'cause you weren't up here? Nice to see you duck and dodge after losses. My guess to your whereabouts is that you were in your house, in your room, on your top bunk bed with the shades drawn, kicking your feet and slamming your fists against your mattress screaming and crying about that LA loss on Sunday.

How's that for objectivity?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

samson151 said: "Keep Campbell, use the picks we gave up for McNabb to further upgrade OL with youth (guys like Gaither or Pouncey). Keep Q Ganther as our RB, let go of Portis and not bother with LJ, Parker or Westbrook.On average, the team would be nearly 2 years younger, with a good core to build around that could stay in place 5-7 years."

Sam -
Major flaw in your argument -- you still have Campbell on property. Kid had to go. Ganther the feature running back? Geeez.

Posted by: just-the-facts | June 8, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm kind of shocked no one else brought this up, given the magnitude of the news.

I was watching NFL Access on The NFL Network last night and said that the Skins have "slapped a 'mandatory' label on this weekends activities and that AH is expected to attend".

Also, they had another extended interview with Terell Owens who definitely seems to be making a strong play to go to the Skins. He said that he and McNabb have texted and talked about playing together again. He confirmed Seattle has expressed interest in him, as well as a couple other teams that he said wished to remain anonymous. Sound like how Shanahan & Allen work? You betcha.

Don't be too surprised to hear about him in a B & G uniform soon.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 8, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm kind of shocked no one else brought this up, given the magnitude of the news.

I was watching NFL Access on The NFL Network last night and said that the Skins have "slapped a 'mandatory' label on this weekends activities and that AH is expected to attend".


Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 8, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

This week's camp has been mandatory all along. It's been reported pretty widely that Haynesworth will show up to this camp because of that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 8, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Alex, the GM is MAKING Riggleman use a pitch count. If it were up to Riggleman he'd pitch him until he shredded his rotator cuff or ended up requiring Tommy John Surgery Strasburg would become Mark Prior 2.0.


I don't pretend to know a whole lot about baseball, but it seems like Riggleman would WANT to have Strasburg on a pitch count. I guess he felt he didn't do anything wrong with Mark Prior.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

What is the value for the O's set at? How much would it cost to buy them?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 8, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Hey 713, kiss my objective blackass. Where were you yesterday 'cause you weren't up here? Nice to see you duck and dodge after losses. My guess to your whereabouts is that you were in your house, in your room, on your top bunk bed with the shades drawn, kicking your feet and slamming your fists against your mattress screaming and crying about that LA loss on Sunday.

How's that for objectivity?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse
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Some of us actually have to work and travel as opposed to hanging out here every day. I didn't even get to see Sunday's game. You obviously didn't read my opening post today, where I congratulated the Celtics for the win.

I love talking to you - you're so predictable. Push one button and you get an obscenity-laced string of insults. Have you ever wondered why you seem to be in the middle of most of the silly emotional arguments that go on here? What's the common denominator here?

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 8, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

*Blog adjustment*

Riggleman was in LA when Prior was in Chi-town.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 8, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse


What is the value for the O's set at? How much would it cost to buy them?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 8, 2010 11:28 AM

Forget it, friend. They're like yachts. If you have to ask the price, you can't afford it.

Posted by: Friend2All | June 8, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

713, so kobe didn't get to the 30/5/7 in game 1, did he get there in game #2??

just curious....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Yeah i believe that was Dusty Baker with Prior...

Posted by: Stu27 | June 8, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

PITCH CLOCK
...........

can't wait to see, or at least hear about, albert at this weekend's mandatory workouts. should be apparent how his workouts are going.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 8, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

ya red I see what you're saying about being a little pessimistic/keeping hopes in check.

@Stu27, if you have verizon + MLB channel, I think they are showing the game in HD.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 8, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

^ In DC so no FIOS in my part of town. MLB network will prob be blacked out.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 8, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

At least the bars and pubs in D.C. will open up early so we can watch the US get their taints handed to them on the world stage (but what really isn't any different than the norm)...

'Oh wait, what's that?'

'Ah -- No alcohol? Don't talk about -- no alcohol?! You kidding me?! No alcohol?!'

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

The USA's best player went on loan to Everton recently and tore it up. They were begging for him to stay. He is legit....

Team USA also took it to the world last year in South Africa. This may be the best team we have had in a long long time

If you are going to speak on something at least try to pretend like you know anything about it

Posted by: rupertpupkin | June 8, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Rabach is over 30 and last year he slowed and started picking up 10 yard holding calls. If he's the core of the group - what happens if he goes down?

The point is we are still lacking severely along the OL - and that was the death of us for the last 24 games.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | June 8, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Nats fans have alot to be excited about..

They remind me of the Rays 5 years ago. They were the laughing stock of the league, then new ownership, culture change etc... I look for the Nats to be a very good team before long.

Looking forward to SS pitching tonight.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 8, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse


Original_etrod,

Based on the info I read last month (see below for details) and the fact The NFL Network made a big deal of it, I thought the mandatoriy season wasn't until the 16th, not the 10th-11th.

That's why it seemed big. Weird how The NFL Network made it seemed like a big deal that the mandatory label was slapped on this weekend's events, like it was a change from what was previously announced. That, and Rick Maese didn't say this weekend was mandatory back in mid-May. None of the previous OTAs were mandatory, either.

FROM PREVIOUS POST:

"Each team is permitted to hold up to 14 OTA sessions. The Redskins have scheduled their OTAs for May 17-19, 24-26, June 1-3, 7-8 and 10-11. The OTAs are not open to the public, and Shanahan is inviting the media to attend approximately one-third of the sessions.

The Redskins also have a third minicamp next month, which is mandatory for veterans.
By Rick Maese  |  May 17, 2010; 6:00 AM ET"

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 8, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Looking forward to SS pitching tonight.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 8, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

In a hour or so I should know if I am getting in the game.

Cyced.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 8, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Based on the info I read last month (see below for details) and the fact The NFL Network made a big deal of it, I thought the mandatoriy season wasn't until the 16th, not the 10th-11th.
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Sorry...typo. 'mandatory session', not season.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 8, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

rp, never ever pretended to know about soccer, nor do I give a sh*t about the boring ass sport.. Every time I see anything about US soccer, it's always about Landon Donovan.

And from what I hear, Donovan is an average player according to world standards.


713, I told you to "kiss my objective blackass". Does one mention of the word "ass" quantify as an "obscenity-laced string of insults"?

And I find I myself in the middle of these stupid blog spats because of little fu_ks like you who want to throw light or heavy insults, throw suggestive bullsh*t comments, or try to get cute with sarcasm, then as usual when I respond back the way I do they get their feelings hurt, and go on this "holier than thou" moral bullsh*t.

How about you and fu_kboy above, keep your gawddamn mouths closed, and just keep my name out your posts. Got it, dipsh*t?

Now there. THATS an "obscenity-laced string of insults" for your ass, b*tch. Deal with it, or scroll the fu_k over 'em.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Fun comments from Bill Walsh about how to figure out what the defense is going to do before they do it (still applies today):

From "Controlling the Ball with the Passing Game":

"We know that if they don't blitz one down, they're going to blitz the next down. Automatically. When you get down in there, every other play. They'll seldom blitz twice in a row, but they'll blitz every other down. If we go a series where there haven't been blitzes on the first two downs, here comes the safety blitz on third down."

Posted by: Samson151 | June 8, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld & stu27, my b. Got Kerry Wood and Mark Prior confused.

Same situation/end result (with heavy pitching, became a fixture on the DL), different player.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

rp, never ever pretended to know about soccer, nor do I give a sh*t about the boring ass sport.. Every time I see anything about US soccer, it's always about Landon Donovan.

And from what I hear, Donovan is an average player according to world standards.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

No need to get all fired up. I was just trying to learn you on your American team. Whether you like soccer or not you should at least cheer for your country.........and if you are going to bash your own country's team then at least know something about it

Posted by: rupertpupkin | June 8, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I wish the title read "Rabach the Latest Casualty of the Offensive Line"

Maybe I was focusing too much on him when I saw him being pushed into the backfield several times last year.

Posted by: keedrow | June 8, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Fun site (new to me at least) entirely devoted to the art (and a little science) of blitzing the crap out of your opponent. They just added NCAA to the NFL stuff. Skins fans can probably study old Jim Haslett blitzes...

http://blitzology.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Samson151 | June 8, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Come on, don't you think if Rabach was the problem Shanahan would have signed about 3 or 4 veteran centers to compete for the position?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 8, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone else excited to watch Strasburg pitch tonight?"

Of course.

I like watching anyone who can pitch well, well, pitch well.

And young Strasberg can pitch well.

Thing is, is he something the Nats can build around should the success he's shown in the minors continue from tonite onward?

Small market teams like the Tampa Rays and Florida Marlins have both proven that there is fine young pitching talent to be had--and theirs is the blueprint the baseball people in D.C. should follow.

But unlike those teams, money should be spent once the prospects come of age and show they have championship talent.

The Orioles will look askance at the SS pitching show and all it means, mock it, and continue to be irrelevant in the Atlantic shelf baseball market.

The Nationals' management should cross their fingers, hope they've caught on to something in SS, and spend the next three seasons building around him.

Good baseball in D.C. would be a great thing for all parties involved.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

dude, I never said that I wouldn't be rooting for the US.

Where did you get that from?

I root for the US in whatever world sport or event they're participating in. From basketball to f'ing cricket.

So because I rip and diss soccer, and knock the US team for not being on par with the rest of the world, I'm unpatriotic?

Damn if that's the case, you would hated me ten times over than you already do back in 2004.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Come on, don't you think if Rabach was the problem Shanahan would have signed about 3 or 4 veteran centers to compete for the position?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 8, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

We did draft a center, Eric Cook out of New Mexico. But he was a 7th rounder, might be more of a project for Shanny in the future, same goes for Selvish.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 8, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I wish the title read "Rabach the Latest Casualty of the Offensive Line"

Posted by: keedrow | June 8, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, Rabach must go, but I don't want to see that headline until next year. There's nobody to replace him and we had more pressing needs this offseason than replacing Center. I don't hate him, but we do need an upgrade. But I see this team solidifying RG and RT before we change Center, plus didn't he just get a contract extension??? Hate to say it, but we MIGHT be stuck with him thru next year too.

Posted by: monk811 | June 8, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else see this on PFT? Wow...

Aaron Rodgers calls Tony Kornheiser "stupid," "dumb" and "terrible"
Posted by Michael David Smith on June 8, 2010 10:52 AM ET
In 2008, when Tony Kornheiser was a Monday Night Football commentator for ESPN, Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers once sat down with him for a pre-game production meeting.

It would be an extreme understatement to say that Rodgers came away unimpressed.

In an interview with ESPN Radio in Milwaukee, Rodgers went off on Kornheiser and said he was embarrassingly unprepared for his job.

"You know who was better than Tony Kornheiser? Dennis Miller was ten times better," Rodgers said, via SportsRadioInterviews.com. "Dennis Miller was a great comedian, but one of the worst Monday Night Football guys ever. And he was ten times better than Tony Kornheiser. His stuff was actually funny. Tony wasn't funny at all. He did absolutely no research. We'd sit in those production meetings and he would add absolutely nothing to the conversation. I'd be like, 'What are we doing here? This is stupid.'"

Rodgers praised Monday Night Football play-by-play man Mike Tirico as coming into production meetings thoroughly prepared. Kornheiser? Not so much.

"You get in there with Tony and he's asking you all these dumb questions that have no application to the game you are playing or anything you are doing," Rodgers said. "He's terrible. . . . I don't think he's funny. I don't think he's insightful. I don't think knows, really, anything about sports."

Most football fans regard Ron Jaworski as one of the top analysts in the business, but Rodgers isn't particularly thrilled with Jaworski, either.

"I like him, but, when I was coming out, he did the worst segment in the history of TV about me talking about my fundamentals," Rodgers said of Jaworski. "It was not even close to anywhere near my fundamentals. The first time I met him, someone introduced me to him and I said, 'Yeah I know him. He's the guy who ripped me before the draft.' The rest of the night he told me how great I was. I was like, 'I know your song and dance.' And now he loves me."

The whole interview, in which Rodgers criticized other ESPN employees and took a shot at the Detroit Lions, is well worth listening to. Rodgers comes across as an entertaining and engaging player who's not afraid to speak his mind. When he retires, he'd be perfect for the Monday Night Football booth. Or as co-host of Pardon the Interruption.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 8, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Red, I think the USA match starts at 2:30 Eastern on Saturday.

So, unless some severe blue laws have been enacted in that corner of the DMV where you reside, you should be able to purchase and consume an alcoholic beverage while you're watching, if you were so inclined.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 8, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Ah Red, still grasping that soccer-hating straw over there. Good times. Not even the US media will be able to resist the drawing power of the World Cup in approximately 4 days time. Maybe you can DVR Baseball Tonight or something to catch a glimpse of the more obscure sports world over the next month.

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

whats wrong with baseball tonight?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

We did draft a center, Eric Cook out of New Mexico. But he was a 7th rounder, might be more of a project for Shanny in the future, same goes for Selvish.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 8, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse
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But you do have to admit that it makes more sense to draft a guy who has half a shot at making the roster, rather than 50 billion tight ends like last year.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 8, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers.

Narcissist much?


Can't fault him on his thoughts on Kornheiser, most of the people who know about him can't stand him.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

If you do a google search for Kendra Wilkinson exposed -survey (minus survey) ... about the 3rd one down I believe has a free download that you don't have to pay for... It is 82 megs or so... can't put the link up because I am at work & don't wanna go to the site... I downloaded yesterday & I can assure you it was free & it was full video.

Anything to help my RI patrons.

Posted by: tony325 | June 8, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with it Greg, if that's your thing.

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

The scary thing is that the new FO isn't currently known to tilt their hand( Ex. Mcnabb trade), so Atogwe can still be in the cards. It would be ideal if he would come down on his asking price, but you have to admit that he a 100% upgrade to anyone that we currently have on the roster! To me, it seems like the Redskins are building for a win now situation as they have done in the past with a little mixture of young guys for the future, so why not go for the gusto in an uncapped season? Whatever the FO decides I am behind them. In Mike I trust!!

Posted by: sirmixx01 | June 8, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Kobe will get his playoff normal 30/5/7,

which by the way, he's yet to get in this playoff series, but whatever I guess...

I like to play fantasy land too....Rayray shoots 16/16 from 3 point land tonight....

how'd I do??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I think the NBA makes the WWE look legit by comparison. They're just one bucket full of confetti short of being the Harlem Globetrotters League.

Posted by: TheCork | June 8, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

agreed corky, the refs just make it almost unwatchable.....you'd have thought that DStern would have done everything in his power to distance themselves from Tim Donaghy, but you can't tell by watching it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I hope Rabach works out better in this new scheme. I thought he was one of the O linemen that needed to be replaced in the off season. Seemed like he played on roller skates

Posted by: edvar |

Class act. Smart guy, but yup, me too. There were games where he was unmercifully worked last year.

With more teams going to the 3-4, a 290 pound center is at a real disadvantage. Mebbe Shanahan's zone schemes work around that--assuring Williams or Dockery has the NT--but we shall see.

Posted by: TheCork | June 8, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tony325 | June 8, 2010 1:06 PM

atleast put tell us what the website verbage is so we don't get set up and get a virus...because the 3rd one down is about dancing with the stars....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 8, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Ah Red, still grasping that soccer-hating straw over there. Good times. Not even the US media will be able to resist the drawing power of the World Cup in approximately 4 days time. Maybe you can DVR Baseball Tonight or something to catch a glimpse of the more obscure sports world over the next month.

Posted by: psps23


Funny the only comeback you can ever muster up is a knock on baseball.

Baseball while interesting, is number three on the sports I follow.

I dare you to say that Soccer is better than football or basketball.

Just because the world follows it, doesn't make it the end all be all. No matter how much you think it is or want it to be.


I think when it comes to football, basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, soccer takes the least amount of skill set to play.

All you have to do is get your cardio up and kick a ball to play soccer. How hard is that? Any of those other sports (except baseball) you're also required to be in great physical conditioning AND must have other skills that pertain to that sport.

Soccer? Controlled breathing and kick a ball around a field. It takes a little coordination but not much.


Nate, they're opening bars around here at 7 AM for this Cup crap. 7 AM is too early for businesses to serve alcohol.

Maybe the soccer freaks can have an expresso while the US tries to overcome or maintain that 1 nil deficit.


Me? I prefer alcohol while viewing BIG BOY sports.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Baseball use to be good when the Os had Ripken/Brady Anderson/Mussina and the crew...I actually liked it and paid attention...as I did Hockey too back in the Dale Hunter Days....

Soccer? Outside of playing back in 3rd grade...I can't stand to watch it and don't understand why peeps do so and kill over it.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 8, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Rabach needs to get stronger. Dude gets tossed around by every noseguard and defensive tackle that he faces. Hopefully his game benefits from the new blocking techniques that the Skins are supposedly using.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 8, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

We did draft a center, Eric Cook out of New Mexico. But he was a 7th rounder, might be more of a project for Shanny in the future, same goes for Selvish.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 8, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse
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But you do have to admit that it makes more sense to draft a guy who has half a shot at making the roster, rather than 50 billion tight ends like last year.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 8, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Im all bout the oline and i would prefer to draft the main cogs rather then pick them up via FA. But keep in mind we also drafted a tight end this year. Although i fully expect D-mo to become the @ss busting FB that Sellers looked like he would be but never really became... Oh and we picked up a TE in the offseason, Sean Ryan. Skins know how to build up that TE spot.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 8, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Recent NBA discussion reminds me of a great passage by Stephen Colbert regarding sports and the American Way:

Basketball: We invented basketball, and it has become so popular that we've developed two versions of it: the college, or "classic," version of the game, in which rules are followed and at most above-average athletes can excel; and the NBA version of the game, in which 7-foot-tall monster freaks leap about on trampolines while swinging their massive elbows like cudgels and running four steps without dribbling before taking off from their opponent's foul line to slam dunk. Each version can be appreciated on its own merits: the NBA for its display of superhuman abilities and larger-than-life personas, and college for its easy-to-understand gambling format. While it's true that Team USA hasn't come in better than 3rd place in most recent World Competitions, that's OK, because the losses are more due to the hubris of our players than their abilities, thus teaching our children a sound moral lesson: If you make enough money in what you do, it doesn't matter if you have your ass handed to you by a Lithuanian.

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

atleast put tell us what the website verbage is so we don't get set up and get a virus...because the 3rd one down is about dancing with the stars....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 8, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse
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Sorry, 4th... I don't know... I thought it was the one that says www.makli.com, but I can't be sure... I have a program called "Samantec Endpoint" on my company Laptop & getting a virus is almost impossible... I mean I can't even download via bit torrent/file sharing, so I have to find content that is via download or stream... but I came up with a good search yesterday (listed above), using the minus survey, which takes away most of the pay sites & lets you find someone around the world for free.

I'll do it at home & post again when I got the goods.

Posted by: tony325 | June 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

But keep in mind we also drafted a tight end this year...

Posted by: Stu27 | June 8, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse
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My point was that drafting players with no shot at making the roster is pointless, and as you eluded to, this guy might make a fine FB. So I'm good with that.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 8, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Red, they're actually relaxing alcohol laws to allow bars to start serving at 7am here in DC.

Let's see another sport claim that feat. Not even the Olympics get that love when it's taking place in other parts of the world. The most those sports can ask for is for a national tape delay in their coverage. BTW, basketball, baseball, and hockey are all components of the Olympic games.

As far as your skill argument is concerned...it's entirely inane. I wouldn't expect you to know what it takes to play soccer and if I tried to explain, it would probably go way over your head, so I'll just leave it at that. I love basketball and football, no doubt, so I won't touch those sports.

Just gotta love the hate spewed on the most popular sport in the most widely watched event in the World. It's cool though, the haters can keep running from it. It's only going to continue to get more popular in the States.

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I'll do it at home & post again when I got the goods.

Posted by: tony325 | June 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse
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I do know this.... it was simple site & over in the right corner was a big link to download stating 82.5 megs or something... I was a lil nervous but went for it & got the goods.

Posted by: tony325 | June 8, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Stuff I'd watch before watching any boring ass soccer game:

1. FOOTBALL
2. Basketball
3. Baseball
4. Hockey
5. Network shows I frequently watch
6. Movie on cable
7. TV Movie/Movie on TV (edited)
8. NFL Network
9. NBA TV
10. MLB Network
11. Sportscenter
12. The History Channel
13. The Discovery Channel
14. BET/MTV
15. Cooking show
16. Political TV
17. Porn
18. Documentaries
19. Cartoon Network
20. Cable Specials


273. C-SPAN when they're voting on a bill
276. Time Life Infomercials when they're playing snippets classic black music from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s.
277. Porn

641. Those get rich quick infomercials.
642. The BOflex infomercial
643. Whatever channel that is when they show shots from a satellite in orbit above the earth
644. Home Shopping Network

997. White Noise
998. The Emergency Broadcast System Alert Test
999. A monkey scratching his nuts
1000. Soccer

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

BMW "came in last year after losing 100 pounds, and his body had a hard time adjusting to that new weight and all that stuff," Rabach said. "I think Mike played pretty well last year, but was still trying to figure out how to use that frame...This year he looks like a totally different player.

Exactly what I'd been saying all along. 2009 was an investment in BMW, no way he was NFL ready after all that weight loss. This year, we find out if he can play. Here's hoping. My guess, by game 5, we know the answer.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Now there. THATS an "obscenity-laced string of insults" for your ass, b*tch. Deal with it, or scroll the fu_k over 'em.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse
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Boy aren't you a tough guy....

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 8, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

red, thats some funny stuff right there....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

713 did Kobe get the 30/5/7 in the second game??

Why wont you answer this??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

999. A monkey scratching his nuts
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I think this was covered with #13 :)

Posted by: tony325 | June 8, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

1. Football
2. MMA (preferably UFC)
3. Basketball
4. Track and Field
5. Boxing (only big events)
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58. Baseball (used to watch it when Ricky Henderson was with the A's)
59. Soccer (will tune into the World Cup though)
60. Hockey (I just can't watch, heard its better being at the game)

Posted by: ga8085 | June 8, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 1:55 PM

He didn't get it in game two. But you started out saying he hadn't gotten it all in the series. Why don't you own up to that canard.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 8, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Dang it! You stole my thunder boy!

Posted by: ga8085 | June 8, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

psps, you can't explain it, because the sports I listed takes way more skill than soccer. Also, any lame ass point you try and make as far as skill will be countered with several from the other sports.

And as for the "most of the world" crap you keep spewing out of your mouth, most of the world believed in the institution of slavery too at some point. I guess that made it cool too, right?


Your "the rest of the world watches it, so it must be the greatest" screams I'ma weak-minded bandwagon hopper, who'll dickride whatever because everyone else is doing it. Let me guess most of your friends like soccer, and so you could fit in with them you've also taking a "liking".


Keep on pimping that soccer carp.

Oh and what a way to OUTRIGHT LIE about the FACTS. Damn, are you that pressed to defend soccer?

You, psps23 said: "Red, they're actually relaxing alcohol laws to allow bars to start serving at 7am here in DC."

That is actually a LIE!

DC Extends Hours Of Bars For World Cup
9NEWS NOW 6 days ago

WASHINGTON (AP) -- District bars will be allowed open earlier for soccer fans during the World Cup under legislation passed by the D.C. Council.

Bars currently cannot open and serve alcohol before 10 a.m. Sunday and 8 a.m. on week days and Saturday. But the legislation passed Tuesday by the D.C. Council would allow bars to open at 7 a.m. Monday through Sunday during the World Cup -- June 11 to July 11. Bars would not be able to serve alcohol any earlier under the legislation, however.

The legislation was proposed by councilman Jim Graham. South Africa, where the World Cup is being played, is six hours ahead of Washington. That means games will be played as early as 7:30 a.m. here.

The legislation is expected to be signed by the mayor.

So get your facts straight before you go and have your peroid and what not over someone bashing crap ass soccer.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

He didn't get it in game two. But you started out saying he hadn't gotten it all in the series. Why don't you own up to that canard.


lh, I'll make this simple for even you:

Did Kobe get 30/5/7 in game 1?

Did Kobe get 30/5/7 in game 2?

Answers for both are NO, he did not. You're clear on this right?? I mean, you understand how getting 6 rebounds is not the same as getting 7 rebounds right?? Thats not confusing to you, right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 2:07 PM

Huh? That article supports what he said.

"But the legislation passed Tuesday by the D.C. Council would allow bars to open at 7 a.m. Monday through Sunday during the World Cup -- June 11 to July 11."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 8, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Greg, nothing personal here, but are you really “winning “ this argument in your head? Rest of us are scoring it for skinsfan713 (and LH)……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 8, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

And as for the "most of the world" crap you keep spewing out of your mouth, most of the world believed in the institution of slavery too at some point. I guess that made it cool too, right?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Are you even serious with that stupid shi....

Posted by: rupertpupkin | June 8, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I will man up and defend soccer, since i played for the first time in a long while last night and my body feels like I was a heavyweights punching bag...

For those who diss soccer, saying it is not a sport and it does not take much skill....

You have never played competitively. That would be highschool or better. This is as ignorant as saying because I played T ball, hitting a fast ball is easy. It would show my ignorance and that i know nothing of what i speak.

Actually, doing things with your hands comes way more natural to humans than doing things with you feet. Example A would be picking things up with your toes. Everyone who can knows it was hard to learn how to do. This is analogous with soccer. It is not just running and kicking. That again is equating baseball to tee ball and football to smear the q###r.

The are more nuances about the games that those who did not play are not privy to.

So, as to specific tirades about the US team and why they are relevant. Before 1994, no US player played overseas. There was not even a pro soccer league here in the states. It was all college and 'minor' league. The 1994 World Cup came here and everything changed.

Half of our team plays in the top leagues in Spain, Germany, England, Italy etc... We have players who eschew one country that has a better soccer pedigree than ours to play for us (the whole dual citizenship thing).

Now we have a team with a mix of good home grown players, and international stars. maybe no superstars, but if you put in perspective we have only been on the scene for 16 years... that is pretty good.

Lastly, you might find soccer boring to watch, as most americans do, because of the lack of scoring. but if you knew how much skill it takes to drive a ball 50 yards across the field pinpoint to an attacking player, while he settles it deftly with his thigh, then to his feet in full stride....you would appreciate the subtleties of the beautiful game and the score line would only be half the battle.

Posted by: Zeebs1 | June 8, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

713, ain't got nothing to do with being tough. Just 'cause you read it as such and feel like a litte b*tch afterwards, well, thats on you... I'm just speaking.


You thought ONE mention of the word "ass" was "obscenity laced and profanity laced", so well... I GAVE you something obscenity laced and profanity laced.

Only one way to truly prove the tough guy act. You really don't know when to let a situation go, do you? First you admit to "pushing button" then when you get aired out about the sh*t you start to cry like a pussie about how the use of "ass" hurt your wittle feelings. What up with that?

Either push the buttons and then be prepared to take whatever comes your way, or go stand in the corner, wipe your nose, and STFU about it already.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

60. Hockey (I just can't watch, heard its better being at the game)

Posted by: ga8085

It is better at the game, but HD has made a big difference. Always liked hockey, but didn't like it on TV until HD came along.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 2:09 PM

Whatever dude. When he said he expected Kobe to get back to his 30/5/7 playoff avg you jumped out there and said he hadn't gotten that in this series. Now that you have been called on it, you're playing he was off by one assist game. GTFOH.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 8, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

dl, sorry I'm sticking to facts, you know how when you say 30/5/7, and its not actually 30/5/7, but sure, lets play fantasy land,

KG is averaging 15 rebounds per game this series

Ladell Betts never fumbled in his career

how did I do??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

PSP just pwned by Reds on the serving of alchol issue....lol..

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 8, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Huh? That article supports what he said.

"But the legislation passed Tuesday by the D.C. Council would allow bars to open at 7 a.m. Monday through Sunday during the World Cup -- June 11 to July 11."

Posted by: learnedhand1

HUH?

You obviously have no idea what context of the conversation is.

I said that while they're opening the bars at 7 AM, they're not serving alcohol before the scheduled AND USUAL 10 AM start. Basically saying THEY'RE NOT RELAXING THE ALCHOL LAWS IN THE DISTRICT.


Gawd, get your head out your ass! I know you wanna back your folks up here, but at least come with the FACTS!

But judging how you choose to outright ignore those it should come as no surprise.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

My feelings on the World Cup on TV can best be summed up by adding the word 'Cup' into the brilliant comment of Jim Ignatowski:

"You know the really great thing about television? If something important happens, anywhere in the World Cup, night or day... you can always change the channel.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

They should raise the hoop in basketball, or switch it to those little stingy ones they have at the traveling carnivals.

It's preposterously easy to score in basketball, rendering any individual basket meaningless, except the last one.

If that one even matters.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 8, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

right lh, facts are crap, and meaningless....should be ignored at all costs...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Huh? That article supports what he said.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 8, 2010 2:11 PM

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Red, they're actually relaxing alcohol laws to allow bars to start serving at 7am here in DC.

By PSP

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I read that as they are allowing the serving of Alchol @ 7am vs. opening the bars only @ the same time w/o serving alchol

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 8, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 2:23 PM

Red, breath and read the article again. I know full well the context you set out above when you said he lied. Don't get mad at me bruh. You stepped on your on sjk. I was just saying the article supports what he said. If you can't see that I'm sorry.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 8, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse


PSP just pwned by Reds on the serving of alchol issue....lol..

Posted by: 4thFloor

Bars currently cannot open and serve alcohol before 10 a.m. Sunday and 8 a.m. on week days and Saturday. But the legislation passed Tuesday by the D.C. Council would allow bars to open at 7 a.m. Monday through Sunday during the World Cup -- June 11 to July 11. Bars would not be able to serve alcohol any earlier under the legislation, however


What part about that you DON'T understand?


He don't own a gawddamn thing over here, ya dig? Maybe you fu_kers need to take up remedial reading or some sh*t.


The three of you can now step the fu_k off now, thanks...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

713 did Kobe get the 30/5/7 in the second game??

Why wont you answer this??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse
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Okay, one more time and then back to work:
quibble all you want about 6 vs 7 assists. One little assist is, quite frankly, irrelevant to this argument. The point is that I originally said, basically, I hope Kobe goes for, off the top of my head, 30/5/7, and you said, basically, that he hadn't done that in either game. Fine: 6 vs 7 assists: you win and I bow down to your superiority.

Face it: Kobe lit up the Celtic defense in game 1. It happens, even to the holy, blessed-by-God-himself Boston Celtics. Most of Kobe's games this playoff season have been in that neighborhood, with a couple of exceptions here and there, including game 2. He's basically been tearing it up during these playoffs, which is good for us Laker fans. I simply expressed my opinion (and hope) that he would revert back to his "2010 playoff norm", so to speak, that he put up against the Celtics in game 1. If so, the Lakers have a great chance. If not, it'll be a much harder task.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 8, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I read that as they are allowing the serving of Alchol @ 7am vs. opening the bars only @ the same time w/o serving alchol

Posted by: 4thFloor |

Just do what 4th does, load up your draws.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 8, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Here’s how I see it Greg:

713 says he missed the game, but expects Kobe to put up 30/5/7 for game 3

You say his “objectivity” is pathetic…Then you say his Kobe 30/5/7 prediction is from fantasyland and that he has yet to do it in this series. Then proceed to mock him further by saying your guy RayRAy will shoot 16 for 16 from 3 point land….Thusly saying that his PREDICTION for tonight is stupid and obviously can’t happen, and hasn’t happened yet in the series.

So 713 points out that in game 1 he went for 30/6/7 (or whatever it is), so he has done it in this series and that his numbers are obviously not from fantasyland.

And you are pushing the question of whether or not he got there in game 2, or that his prediction is an assist or rebound off from what he hit in game one?

You have done the usual RI thing, where you lost the real argument, so you are trying to make it seem like he was “wrong” about something else.

In summary, the “argument” (which you started by the way) was about whether or not skinfan713’s predicition of 30/5/7 was stupid. It is obviously not stupid or out of the realm of possibility, so you are trying to say he is wrong because his game 1 stats are ONE ASSIST/REBOUND OFF of his prediction for tonights game. Try again.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 8, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

again, lh

Opening the bars earlier than usual doesn't mean they're serving alcohol any earlier than what they usually do.


WTF? You're a college grad, a UNC grad. 4th, you're a college guy, I read that psps went to an Ivy League school...


And this is the best y'all can comprehend!?!?!?!?!

F-ING WOW!!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Red, upon further review perhaps you are right. The structure of that paragraph is very poor. Given the placement of that sentence in the paragraph, I read it as saying they couldn't serve alcohol earlier than 7 a.m. But looking at again as a whole, I concede your point.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 8, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Bars currently cannot open and serve alcohol before 10 a.m. Sunday and 8 a.m. on week days and Saturday. But the legislation passed Tuesday by the D.C. Council would allow bars to open at 7 a.m. Monday through Sunday during the World Cup -- June 11 to July 11. Bars would not be able to serve alcohol any earlier under the legislation, however


What part about that you DON'T understand?


He don't own a gawddamn thing over here, ya dig? Maybe you fu_kers need to take up remedial reading or some sh*t.


The three of you can now step the fu_k off now, thanks...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Red did you read the line above the one you highlighted.......perhaps bars can serve at 7 am but not before?

"Diggin it" as you so eloquently put....

Posted by: rupertpupkin | June 8, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I'd have put a Monkey scratching his nuts way higher than 999.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 8, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah RED, about your earlier comments about slavery and soccer........perhaps you should watch the ESPN special on the significance of the World Cup in South Africa........ignorant

Posted by: rupertpupkin | June 8, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

dl, is 1 the same as 2?? you're a bright cat, you can answer this.

Simple yes or no question, otherwise, try again.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"psps, you can't explain it, because the sports I listed takes way more skill than soccer."

Hah, hardly.

The day you can bend a 35-yard shot over wall of 6' defenders standing 10 yards away into the top corner of a goal while beating an athletic freak of a goalkeeper to the spot is the day you have any credible sense to speak on the skill it takes to play soccer.

Hell, I'd be shocked if you could even hit a driven ball in a straight line twenty yards away.

You're entirely in over your head, my man, with this argument. I bet you're one of those guys who talks trash about the skill it takes to play soccer, then trips over the ball and falls on his face the moment you try to run at full speed while dribbling it.

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The three of you can now step the fu_k off now, thanks...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 2:30 PM

Dayum Reds...I was supporting you....Now...It's F U MoFo Bama A$$ Terrat-having ninja....

PWN (verb) 1. An act of dominating an opponent.

Now go back and reread what the sjk I wrote you illiterate bastard!
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PSP just pwned by Reds on the serving of alchol issue....lol..

Posted by: 4thFloor

(4th's note...I left out got between just and pwned, but it still made sense bama)

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 8, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

anyone know if when the bars open early, they'll be selling beer??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

dl, is 1 the same as 2?? you're a bright cat, you can answer this.
Simple yes or no question, otherwise, try again.....
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 2:39 PM |

Okay….no. It’s not the same. What exactly is your point and how does it fit into the question of whether or not Kobe might be able to go 30/5/7? Because that’s what you were saying was stupid.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 8, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

FALSIFIED REPORTING!! By the WaPo Express a couple weeks ago.

You're right Red, can't serve before 8am, but still open at 7am.

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"The techniques that Coach Shanahan brought here are a little bit different," Rabach said. "The way Chris is teaching it is a little bit different. But it's not a drastic overhaul by any means. You can only block an outside zone or an inside zone so many different ways."

By Barry Svrluga | June 8, 2010; 9:19 AM ET

Translation: "Its offensive line play, not rocket science or brain surgery. Don't make it harder than it is..."

Loving yet more anecdotal info re BMW preparing to road grade from the RG spot.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 8, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

dl, omfg, 713 said Kobe was 30/5/7, I said he wasn't, its really as simple as that...

now that we've determined that facts are kinda hard to fudge, I'm moving on.....

but not before stating Ladell Betts ran for 1,500 yards per season for 5 years in a row....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

how preposterous is it that we have a different bar law for sunday? this is because of (the christian version of) god, right? the fear is that if bar owners were allowed to serve alcohol at 8:00 am on sunday, then people would go there instead of church....

how is that not a mingling of church and state?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | June 8, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Bean you do know that nothing will happen to you if you say you were wrong, right?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 8, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 2:49 PM

Never seen anyone argue more in circles than you dude. I’ll just ask you this:
Do you still say that Kobe getting 30/5/7 in tonight’s game is “from fantasyland”?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 8, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

psps, why would I even attempt to play soccer, and I don't even f with it at all?

Still waiting for you to own up on the "relaxed alcohol laws" as it pertains to your precious world cup...


rp, do you must have to ONLY respond to what I have to say. I mean gawddamn dude you're like a fu_king little gnat that just won't go the fu_k away. But I'll bite


OKAY. Slavery at one point was very POPULAR on a global scale. And it wasn't just relegated to one group of people or skin color. Even people in African countries enslaved each other once another tribe was conquered -- so that would include South Africa.

When I compared the two, which was probably a bad comparison, I meant strictly as far as popularity WORLD WIDE. Not how it pertained to one group, nation, or color of people.

You too can now shut the fu_k up, and step your ignorant ass off, thanks... if you're going to be an incessant bugging piece of sh*t at least KNOW where I'm coming from and have YOUR facts together before you try and come at someone.

Gawd, your're fu_king stupid. Fu_k off and you're now ITA'd. You only have one setting: Copy and post RedDMV comment, comment on RedDMV comment. Get a fu_king life already and get the fu_k off my dick.

My balls thank you in advance.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"The techniques that Coach Shanahan brought here are a little bit different," Rabach said. "The way Chris is teaching it is a little bit different. But it's not a drastic overhaul by any means. You can only block an outside zone or an inside zone so many different ways."

By Barry Svrluga | June 8, 2010; 9:19 AM ET

Translation: "Its offensive line play, not rocket science or brain surgery. Don't make it harder than it is..."

Loving yet more anecdotal info re BMW preparing to road grade from the RG spot.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

Yeah!! Exactly. I never get tired of hearing how Albert is missing camp and so he'll be behind in learning the new system. What Albert does is not complicated. Skill and power? Yes. Complicated? No.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Walter, if you are in Fall Church, VA you can rest easy. This law doesn't apply to you.

Score one for Satan!

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 8, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't do this often...

Truly, my bad, 4th. A dude apologize.

I'm just in THAT zone today.

If it's not psps23 gassing up a sport that very few Americans have interest in, and then coming off like it's the best thing since crack in America in '86 -- then it's 713 that got his feelings hurt over the use of "ass" -- or it some little ass boil that likes to copy and paste everything I say and think of ways to counter what I said.


Dudes got me in the zone on Tuesday. Much appreciated.

Especially when you're right.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"psps, why would I even attempt to play soccer, and I don't even f with it at all?"

Precisely why it's way over your head to speak about the skill it takes to play the game.

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Now let me just deffend soccer a minute.

Soccer is great, just not eurotrash soccer.

Does anyone remember the Washington Warthogs indoor soccer league?

Now THAT was fun. By making the field smaller and allowing the ball to bounce off the walls and stuff you wound up with a faster pace game and more shots on goal (like hockey) Also it was co-ed so there were somewhat attractive women on each team.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 8, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"If it's not psps23 gassing up a sport that very few Americans have interest in"

Ah, the hubris of the naive. Keep telling yourself that, buddy.

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"OKAY. Slavery at one point was very POPULAR on a global scale. And it wasn't just relegated to one group of people or skin color. Even people in African countries enslaved each other once another tribe was conquered -- so that would include South Africa."

So you are saying that the slavery in South Africa was from tribes conquering each other? I want to make sure I "know" where you are coming from before I tell you that you are dumb as a bag of rocks

Unless you were referring to those European tribes......

Posted by: rupertpupkin | June 8, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

greatest moments in DC sports history ... agree? disagee?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1006/greatest.moments.washington.dc.history/content.1.html

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 3:00 PM

Subtract George Mason and Gilbert Areanas and insert SB vs. Broncos and I'm cool...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 8, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

If it's not psps23 gassing up a sport that very few Americans have interest in, and then coming off like it's the best thing since crack in America in '86 -- then it's 713 that got his feelings hurt over the use of "ass" -- or it some little ass boil that likes to copy and paste everything I say and think of ways to counter what I said. We love you.

Dudes got me in the zone on Tuesday. Much appreciated.

Especially when you're right.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse
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You are truly the best thing that's happened to RI since its inception. There's no one here that can compete with your towering intellect or your ingenuous use of the english language. No one here has the ability beat you at anything, at any level. We should all just give up and allow you to properly craft the rules for the operation of planet earth. Thank god we all know you on this blog - we're better for it.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 8, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

If it's not psps23 gassing up a sport that very few Americans have interest in, and then coming off like it's the best thing since crack in America in '86 -- then it's 713 that got his feelings hurt over the use of "ass" -- or it some little ass boil that likes to copy and paste everything I say and think of ways to counter what I said.

Dudes got me in the zone on Tuesday. Much appreciated.

Especially when you're right.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse
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You are truly the best thing that's happened to RI since its inception. There's no one here that can compete with your towering intellect or your ingenuous use of the english language. No one here has the ability beat you at anything, at any level. We should all just give up and allow you to properly craft the rules for the operation of planet earth. Thank god we all know you on this blog - we're better for it. We love you.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 8, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

psps, if American had an interest in soccer as they do in Football, Baseball, or Basketball, then why Soccer can't get a TV contract? Why doesn't it lead SportsCenter (except during the world cup)? Where is the buzz? I work at in a sizable building with a mix of ALL backgrounds that have interest in sports. The talk in the building is about Strasburg NOT the World Cup.


The World Cup is a global event that the WORLD partakes in every four years. That doesn't make it the end all be all in the UNITED STATES.

I mean, sh*t. They play the summer Olympics every four years, I guess the javelin throw is just as big as baseball in the US too, right?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Precisely why it's way over your head to speak about the skill it takes to play the game.

Posted by: psps23


So if you don't play a game, never played it, you can't determine the level of skill it takes to play the game?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Now THAT was fun. By making the field smaller and allowing the ball to bounce off the walls and stuff you wound up with a faster pace game and more shots on goal (like hockey) Also it was co-ed so there were somewhat attractive women on each team.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 8, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

This reminds me of something.

My G/F's co-workers had planned a co-ed flag football game. I explained to her that guys do this, not because they enjoy playing football with girls, but it's free butt grabs.

She was like, "Ugh, what are you talking about? They are not like that."

So I'm all like, "I'm a dude, I know these things."

Just wondering does anyone agree with me on this?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I threw the javelin in high school.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

You want a challenging sport in S Africa? Try the ones my GF did when she was there, they blow away soccer

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/76723632
http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/1512973

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

It would be crazy if we beat England in the opener. Cant see why someone wouldn't enjoy the world cup, gives you a chance to show off your nations pride and a serviceable excuse for drinking at odd hours of the day...cheers.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 8, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Just wondering does anyone agree with me on this?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

You are correct but this is one of those things ladies just need to find out on their own.


Red, you should ease up on the soccer crowd.

This is the one time every 4 years that Americans get to come together as one to pretend like we know something about it.

Once the US gets eliminated you won't have to listen to it anymore.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 8, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

greatest moments in DC sports history ... agree? disagee?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1006/greatest.moments.washington.dc.history/content.1.html

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 3:00 PM

Subtract George Mason and Gilbert Areanas and insert SB vs. Broncos and I'm cool...

Posted by: 4thFloor |

they were doing for events that happened in DC, not DC teams

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Kool Reds...But it's still F_ck Reds for the rest of the day...Watch Paul go for 40 tonite and turn to the TV screen and point 2 middle fingers at it and say this is for the B!tch made ninja RedDMV...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 8, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

LOL iH8

All I know is it's not for the thrill of a good athletic competition.

at least I hope not

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 8, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

4th, ha, agreed paul is due for a big game...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 8, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

they were doing for events that happened in DC, not DC teams

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 3:25 PM

Well that's misleading...I would then add the parades of all 3 SBs if they can add the parade of the Bullets who played in Landova/Largo MD...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 8, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Red, soccer does have tv contracts. ESPN carries and has carried in the past EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Champion's League, Europa League (formerly UEFA cup), World Cup Qualifiers, and the World Cup itself. You don't see most of them because they're played live in Europe, which means they're on at 8-10am on weekends or 2-4pm during weekdays. Fox Soccer Channel, Gol TV, and local networks like Comcast Sports Net all carry games too.

You can bet your bottom dollar that if the level of those competitions were found in our domestic league, they'd sellout stadiums in a heartbeat too. Kind of like is already done for World Cup Qualifiers or when European teams come on preseason tours to the US.

Nothing here really needs to be proved. You were right about bars not serving alcohol before 8am, but that still doesn't discount the fact that DC legislation passed a temporary measure to allow bars to open by 7am solely for the purposes of the World Cup.

Dupont Circle is going to erect 2 massive big-screen TVs for public viewing of the England-US game. Does that sound like measures taken for a sport that few Americans have interest in?

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

You are truly the best thing that's happened to RI since its inception. There's no one here that can compete with your towering intellect or your ingenuous use of the english language. No one here has the ability beat you at anything, at any level. We should all just give up and allow you to properly craft the rules for the operation of planet earth. Thank god we all know you on this blog - we're better for it. We love you.

Posted by: skinsfan713

Funny, how left out the part when I acknowledged that I WAS WRONG, you fuc_ing idiot!

Shut the fu_k up and go back to work already. I was being confronted up here by TWO people on an issue that I was RIGHT on.

You know I provided PROOF that I was right, when telling them they were wrong. Not just same baseless opinion. So maybe you want to overlook the entire arument first, jackass. And I've never came out and told someone they were wrong UNLESS I had evidence to prove it.

If you don't want to be proven wrong, or feel that you've been proven wrong then I suggest you take your weak ass off public message boards. You come here to give your opinion and fact, and when someone couters yours, you take it as they're saying they're right and they're wrong.

You're a classic dish but can't take. It's okay to push buttons but when someone does the same to you, or pushes further, then you become the fu_king moral police? And when they have an opinion on something and stand their ground indefending it, then they "want to be right all the time"????

Maybe they staucthly defending their ground becuase you're doing the same thing, so in essence, you could say that YOU TOO want to be right all the time, you fu_king idiot!

You're a truly a fu_king piece of work. Yeah, b*tch. Go wipe your running nose and switch out your tampon. You've been fu_king ITA'd as well with runninpumpsh*t.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Dupont Circle is going to erect 2 massive big-screen TVs for public viewing of the England-US game. Does that sound like measures taken for a sport that few Americans have interest in?

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse


Let's see if they leave it up when Ghana plays Latvia.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Just wondering does anyone agree with me on this?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 3:18 PM

Agreed. Just tell them you tried to warn them....I would love to be in a Co-Ed Flag Football team where my wife is no where to be found....It'll be 4th grade all over again.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"So if you don't play a game, never played it, you can't determine the level of skill it takes to play the game?

Posted by: RedDMV"

Generally speaking, yes. If I threw out 20 "skill" terms with regards to soccer, you probably wouldn't know what 90% of them meant or required as an action.

I mean any person can look at baseball and ignorantly claim it takes nothing special to throw the ball from the pitchers mound over home plate, but that doesn't mean they know what a split-finger fastball is or what it takes to throw one. Get what I'm saying?

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

LOL iH8

All I know is it's not for the thrill of a good athletic competition.

at least I hope not

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 8, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I even played in the game with my G/F. I went for the flag on some of her hotter co-workers and "missed".

I guess you could call it a Dirty 30.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Is all this misplaced anger because Albert Haynesworth isnt attending OTA's?

I am going to make a plea to RED that we all get together for a cuddle party at his place so we can work this out.

I'll bring the Bartles and James!!


Arguing over soccer? Soccer is HUGE in America, right up til about age 12. Then it drops off and people use the skills from soccer and apply it to sports most Americans really like such as Football and Competitive Crochet(Never Played, but from watching it looks hard as all get out)

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 8, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I even played in the game with my G/F. I went for the flag on some of her hotter co-workers and "missed".

I guess you could call it a Dirty 30.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Nice, I guess you put a shoulder into her back and she kept on trucking.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 8, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

So psps, based on what you said about the level of play in the Euro leagues vs. MLS, suffice to say that the US has interest in the world cup, but doesn't with soccer in general?

I mean, if it were really dominating sports interests on the scale that you claim it to be, I gotta believe that I would hear much more about it than I currently do.

And I don't. But then again, it's not like I seek it out.


Anyway, hope you and your peoples enjoy watching it. Don't y'all do nothing crazy like go burning down Dupont Circle or stampeding each other over the game, okay?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I even played in the game with my G/F. I went for the flag on some of her hotter co-workers and "missed".

I guess you could call it a Dirty 30.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, all the guys put the flags at the noon and 6 positions instead of 3 and 9. Because only the women are willing to go there and yank.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

lmao @ 4th...


Dude no love for George Mason? Why? Oh no, lemme guess:

They're not in D.C., right?


Why does the rest of 495 hate VA. Must be all these bad breezys we got over here...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Nice, I guess you put a shoulder into her back and she kept on trucking.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 8, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

No, but I did land a nicely placed right palm into a firm a$$ cheek. The chick was wearing those cotton cheerleader shorts, the ones they roll down from the top.

That a$$ had a bullseye on it all day.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, hope you and your peoples enjoy watching it. Don't y'all do nothing crazy like go burning down Dupont Circle or stampeding each other over the game, okay?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

They dont stampede in the Fruit Loop, I mean Dupont circle, they promenade!!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 8, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

What if???

* Donovan McNabb rapidly starts to show age and isn't anywhere near what he was with the Eagles, and spends most of the season on RI?...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 10:32 AM

If Donovan spends most of the season on RI, maybe some of us can coach 'em up. It would be kinda cool if MORE Skins players spent time on RI.

What would suck if if they went to IR!

Posted by: Alan4 | June 8, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I even played in the game with my G/F. I went for the flag on some of her hotter co-workers and "missed".

I guess you could call it a Dirty 30.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Good looking + athletic is virtual lock the girl will look like Barry Sanders out there for just this reason.

Flag football power rankings
no1. good looking + athletic
no100. not good looking + not athletic

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 8, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

No, but I did land a nicely placed right palm into a firm a$$ cheek. The chick was wearing those cotton cheerleader shorts, the ones they roll down from the top.

That a$$ had a bullseye on it all day.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

that is the perfect time to help it roll all the way down. Next time, place the palm, then squeeeeeeeze.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 8, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I'd rate the OL this way:

C Rabach: Knows the position, makes the calls, but isn't particularly talented or strong or athletic. Gets beat way too often. He'd be gone if the Skins had any options. Grade: C+

RT Artis Hicks: Spent the last 3 years as a backup guard/tackle. He started ONCE at right tackle last year. Couldn't stay healthy. He's journeyman backup quality. Now he's expected to start at RT? That tells you how back Heyer is. Grade: D+

RG Mike Williams: No storybook ending here. Wouldn't be playing if the Skins had options. Not a bad mauler but but too slow and out-of-shape for ZBS. Grade: D

LG Derrick Dockery: Solid, not spectacular. Not a good fit for ZBS. Grade: B-

LT Trent Williams: Rookie LT joining arguably the worst line in the league. Should be great in the long term, but is going to face some monster rush ends in the NFC East right out of the gate. Not going to be pretty. Grade: Unknown

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | June 8, 2010 10:00 AM

Great post Diesel.

This is why I think the McNabb trade was a mistake. His numbers were not that much better than soup last year. Soup was behind the worst line in all of football and probably in years. He had few receiving options. McNabb had good Oline to go with Jackson, Celek and Maclin. McNabb had 2 more TDs, less yards, 5% points less completion % and 5 less ints.

McNabb is a better QB but it is not by a large margin.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 8, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

True on the skills.

I can't even get mad, I get defensive when someone tries to discredit baseball, and they don't even know how the game is played, or what it takes to play the game.

The battle between pitcher and catcher is one of those most compelling aspects in sports to me.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"So psps, based on what you said about the level of play in the Euro leagues vs. MLS, suffice to say that the US has interest in the world cup, but doesn't with soccer in general?"

I'd put it as the US has interest in soccer, but not so much in the MLS. I'm one of those (I'm an on-again, off-again DC United fan; follow from a distance, only seek out games to watch when they're actually good). My interest is in seeing the quality of the sport, not necessarily being a "fan" of any particular team, other than the US National Team of course (which I'm probably a bigger fan of than anything).

I'd say a large portion of soccer fans in the US are this way. Detached from the domestic league, infatuated with higher level play. Which is why the World Cup is so highly anticipated.

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

HICKS has to be excited being penciled in at RT ahead of HEYER. Finally seeing the opportunity to be the regular rather than the perennial sixth man.

And HEYER must be hearing footsteps.

But I'm still betting the SKINS make a run at a RT suspect in FA before camp starts unless SELVISH CAPERS takes over.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Alan4, you're about five hours LATE

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

No, but I did land a nicely placed right palm into a firm a$$ cheek. The chick was wearing those cotton cheerleader shorts, the ones they roll down from the top.

That a$$ had a bullseye on it all day.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

that is the perfect time to help it roll all the way down. Next time, place the palm, then squeeeeeeeze.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 8, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I was in total perv-mode that day.

I have to admit though when a girl was defending another girl, they get rough. They were fighting over the ball like bridesmaids over a bouquet.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

You're a truly a fu_king piece of work. Yeah, b*tch. Go wipe your running nose and switch out your tampon. You've been fu_king ITA'd as well with runninpumpsh*t.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 8, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse
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You sure are a piece of work. Your family must really be miserable having to live with someone who's so angry all of the time.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm just sayin...GM to the Final 4 was big for them...but not top 10 in DC history.

I'll take a VA chick anyday......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 8, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, RED, I've been busy. But it's never too late to clown, is it?

Posted by: Alan4 | June 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is a better QB but it is not by a large margin.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 8, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

_______________________________


McNabb = 92-41 starter record
Soup = 20-32 starter record

McNabb = 16 postseason games
Soup = 0 postseason games

Yeah, I don't see much of a difference here... Come on people... our OL is gonna be better just because the ball will be in the air long before Soup could of decided if he wanted crackers or not.

Posted by: tony325 | June 8, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

HICKS has to be excited being penciled in at RT ahead of HEYER. Finally seeing the opportunity to be the regular rather than the perennial sixth man.

And HEYER must be hearing footsteps.

But I'm still betting the SKINS make a run at a RT suspect in FA before camp starts unless SELVISH CAPERS takes over.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 8, 2010 3:57 PM

Hicks and Heyer should BOTH be excited. If nothing changes, both of them probably start at some point this season.

I have a sneaking suspicion one guy NOT excited about that LT competition is Donvan McNabb.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 8, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit though when a girl was defending another girl, they get rough. They were fighting over the ball like bridesmaids over a bouquet.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse


At that point you just sit back with the cranberry/vodka and enjoy..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 8, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

But I'm still betting the SKINS make a run at a RT suspect in FA before camp starts unless SELVISH CAPERS takes over.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

cant see Selvish taking over the spot out of training camp. he has only played 3 years at O-line total. He is a converted TE, only started for 2 1/2 years. Overall very inexperienced. He will have the run blocking down already but the pass protection will need work. If he can get that down theres nothing that would hold him back.

Gotta like the consistency that they drafted the o-line with this year. All of them are overly athletic if not overly big, perfect for Shanny to mold.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 8, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I have a sneaking suspicion one guy NOT excited about that LT competition is Donvan McNabb.

Posted by: Alan4

I think you meant RT. Trent has the LT spot, but I'm sure that McNabb isn't loving either tackle situation in 2010. Not a lot of talent on the right, not a lot of experience against a murderers row schedule on the left.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

It's not the starting line that's the issue with the Skins, it's going to be depth. Williams, Dockery, Rabbach, Williams, Hicks should perform solidly especially after working the entire offseason as a unit. Are they going to remind anyone as a elite line, I don't think so, but they I think they will be solid. However, should one of them get's injured, then the OL is in deep kemchi. Guys like Heyer, Montgomery, and Will Robinson proally shouldn't be counted on for the long haul. I think as the offseason continues, the Skins will sign some older vets as insurance.

Posted by: TWISI | June 8, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

At that point you just sit back with the cranberry/vodka and enjoy..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 8, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Got that right, or maybe a Long Island Iced Tea.

You're not gonna forget the vodka/cran are you?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

McNabb = 92-41 starter record
Soup = 20-32 starter record

McNabb = 16 postseason games
Soup = 0 postseason games

Yeah, I don't see much of a difference here... Come on people... our OL is gonna be better just because the ball will be in the air long before Soup could of decided if he wanted crackers or not.

Posted by: tony325 | June 8, 2010 4:10 PM

Are those team records supposed to prove something? Here are a few more to consider:

Rex Grossman = 19-12 starter record
Sonny Jurgensen = 69-73-7 starter record
Jay Cutler = 24-29 starter record
Daunte Culpepper = 41-59 starter record

I guess it's better to have Rex Grossman than a QB like Jurgensen or Cutler, based on those records!

Posted by: Alan4 | June 8, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been around for all the details on today's RedDMV-baiting. Just to clarify, soccer=slavery?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | June 8, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 8, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse


I actually drink Bay Breezes every now and again.. (vodka/cran/pineapple).. That might be even gayer.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 8, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest, you're right I meant RT.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 8, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

McNabb = 92-41 starter record
Soup = 20-32 starter record

McNabb = 16 postseason games
Soup = 0 postseason games

Yeah, I don't see much of a difference here... Come on people... our OL is gonna be better just because the ball will be in the air long before Soup could of decided if he wanted crackers or not.

Posted by: tony325
I must have missed the press release that stated that the Redskins traded for the entire Eagles team and coaching staff. Last time I checked teams win games and not QBs individually. Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, does that make him a better QB than McNabb?

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 8, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The World Cup in 2006 was watched in all or part by more Americans than watched all or part of the NHL or NBA playoffs that year, and the soccer games did not even take place during prime time. Imagine if! US was ranked 8th in viewership worldwide.

American workers calling in sick or slacking off to watch games cost employers $1.2 billion in lost labor. It's no longer just "Jose, Can You See By the Dawn's Early Light".

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 8, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Just gotta love the hate spewed on the most popular sport in the most widely watched event in the World. It's cool though, the haters can keep running from it. It's only going to continue to get more popular in the States.

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 1:47 PM

I love weighing in on this because it is a good topic. I have been on record as saying I TRULY tried with soccer. I went to a bar during a marquee WC matchup, etc. As a TV viewing sport it SUCKED IMO. But I really think any great athlete is smart to play soccer at a young age. It really develops great feet. Better than any other sport. I went to a Cosmos event in the Meadolands with my Dad back in the day and saw Pele, that was cool. But FOR ME, 90 minutes of 0-0, and then we go to "extra time" or whatever, is just painful. In Hockey, at least with a low score, you probably get a high amount of collisions. I know, spoken like a meathead. But the TRUTH is, Soccer WILL NEVER catch on as a huge sport in this country. At least on TV. Cause not enough people gamble on it, and there is not enough violence. And arent those the cornerstones of freedom?

Posted by: Club320 | June 8, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"I threw the javelin in high school..."


And I've caught more with my hands behind my back than you've thrown.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

psps23

"Just gotta love the hate spewed on the most popular sport in the most widely watched event in the World. It's cool though,.."

I don't like soccer, but I like how you defend what you like.

I hope you enjoy the World Cup, I really do.

And as for me, it's all about the Rays v. Yanks v. Sawx.

The Yanks v. Dodgers at the end of this month will feature Joe G. v. Joe T., so I'll miss watching the World Cup's Championship match.

I know you won't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | June 8, 2010 10:00 AM

"Mike came in last year after losing 100 pounds, and his body had a hard time adjusting to that new weight and all that stuff," Rabach said. "I think Mike played pretty well last year, but was still trying to figure out how to use that frame...This year he looks like a totally different player. He's the player that we expected him to be when they signed him here. And I think guard's a great position for him, because he can just get his hands on a guy right away and just maul 'em."

Unless Rabach is just blowing smoke up MW's sizeable rear-end, sounds like more than a "D" player to me.

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 8, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

World Cup in 2006 was watched in all or part by more Americans than watched all or part of the NHL or NBA playoffs that year, and the soccer games did not even take place during prime time. Imagine if! US was ranked 8th in viewership worldwide..

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 8, 2010 4:45PM

Couple of neglected points here. 5 million of that US viewership was on Univision. The World Cup is once every 4 years, and participated by the World. If you want to compare it to North American based sports, compare MLS playoffs on TV, to the other majors. Do they show MLS playoffs on TV??

Posted by: Club320 | June 8, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"American workers calling in sick or slacking off to watch the World Cup in 2006 cost employers $1.2 billion in lost labor."

I remember that time.

Not a lawn in my neighborhood got cut.

Tile was not laid, rooves were not tarred.

Drug mules from South America took time away from their jobs, and ruined plenty of weekends in these parts.

The local branch of the U.S. Customs had to lay folks off as there was no one coming into the country illegally, what with folks watching soccer.

So, I guess you're right to highlight the importance of the World Cup on the U.S. economy.

Thanks for the heads up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"American workers calling in sick or slacking off to watch the World Cup in 2006 cost employers $1.2 billion in lost labor."


I remember that time.

Not a lawn in my neighborhood got cut.

Tile was not laid, rooves were not tarred.

Drug mules from South America took time away from their jobs, and ruined plenty of weekends in these parts.

The local branch of the U.S. Customs had to lay folks off as there was no one coming into the country illegally, what with folks watching soccer.

So, I guess you're right to highlight the importance of the World Cup on the U.S. economy.

Thanks for the heads up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 5:02 PM

On the flipside, I appreciate the reduction in carjackings and drive-by's during the NBA Finals.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | June 8, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Unless Rabach is just blowing smoke up MW's sizeable rear-end, sounds like more than a "D" player to me.

Posted by: rbpalmer

We'll see. I think BMW is a case of 'we won't know' until he sees regular season action. In a strange way, he's kind of like a rookie.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Couple of neglected points here. 5 million of that US viewership was on Univision. The World Cup is once every 4 years, and participated by the World. If you want to compare it to North American based sports, compare MLS playoffs on TV, to the other majors. Do they show MLS playoffs on TV??

Posted by: Club320 | June 8, 2010 5:00 PM

Except we're talking about whether Americans watch the World Cup or not. MLS? Might as well compare it to Puppy Bowl.

I actually watched games on Univision, with my elementary Spanish, because the English announcers were awful. Who cares what channel it was watched on?

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 8, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

There's a Puppy Bowl? Awwwwwww

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"But the TRUTH is, Soccer WILL NEVER catch on as a huge sport in this country. At least on TV. Cause not enough people gamble on it, and there is not enough violence. And arent those the cornerstones of freedom?

Posted by: Club320"

I'll have to say that I agree and disagree.

I agree that the MLS will never catch on as a huge league in this country. The US is used to the best competition, and the MLS will never draw enough top level players in their prime from around the world to compete with the traditional powerhouse leagues in England, Spain, Italy, and Germany.

The thing about soccer in the US is that it never was and never will be about the domestic leagues here. The MLS itself was created to be a talent developing hub for the US National Team by the USSF (US Soccer Federation). It was meant to garner interest in youth and provide a place to play for those who are good enough to be professionals out of college, but not good enough to make it overseas from the outset. It was never created as a competitor league to the NFL, NHL, and MLB.

The pure initial intention of the MLS was for the benefit of the US National team on the world stage. That's it. Therefore, it's a misapplication to compare the MLS to NBA, NFL, or MLB. You have to compare what soccer fans really care about, and that's the US National Team. And the World Cup.

And that's what makes soccer so unique. Unlike other major sports, the primary allegiance of a player isn't to the club that is paying his salary, oddly enough. It's to the National Team you grow up dreaming of playing for.

Soccer itself is almost incomparable to every other major sport because of this odd dynamic. It's not an annually structured sport like the other major sports. It's a quadrennially structured sport that has a very complicated design of interspersed league's, cups, and tournaments with qualifications. And I feel like unless you actually KNOW the structure of everything going on, it's difficult to anticipate or fully comprehend the meaning of a certain match.

However, the US does care about soccer. The US still holds attendance records for the World Cup we held in 1994. The US currently is the 2nd highest nation in tickets purchased for the current World Cup, trailing only the host nation of South Africa. There is an extremely high level of interest in this sport over here, and it will show up yet again in the ratings of the WC this summer.

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"5 million of that US viewership was on Univision."

And yes, as SMACK pointed out, many of those viewers were English-speaking Americans such as myself. Broadcasts are simply more emotional coming from the Spanish channels, and almost feel more authentic. I don't need to have a play-by-play guy telling me what I'm watching on the field.

Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 8, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Issac Bruce retired today.

Is this a Hall of Fame group?

Issac Bruce

Kurt Warner

Chris Samuels

Zach Thomas

?

I'd vote for Samuels and Warner, but pass on Bruce and Thomas.

Charles Woodson, Ronde Barber, Kevin Mawae, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Champ Bailey? are some guys still playing who are locks for the Hall when you take years of league service into account.

The extensive passing that goes on is going to force a conversation regarding the admission of quarterbacks and receivers who have outlandish numbers due to rule changes.

Emmitt Smith might be the last great back to get into the Hall as elite rushers have slowly fallen by the wayside in preference for passing to win, not running.

I mean, is L Tomilinson Hall worthy?

P Manning is a lock as is T Dungy (if he's not in already).

And, of course, there's that #4 guy up in Minn/Green Bay......


Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 8, 2010 5:52 PM

Insurmountable 1-nil lead, SMACK?
[I keed, I keed...you know I watch the damn Tour de France. To each his own...]

Posted by: 4-12 | June 8, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Re previous post: Player Retention...

Have we heard any specifics as to why either M. Mitchell or Hunter the Punter were not retained? I realize Mitchell was a work in progress, but he did show flashes of much potential imho, while Hunter appeared to me to be the best punter we'd had here since Roby. So... what happened?

JR? Bueller?... Bueller?...

Oh, and F- Dallas.

Posted by: hogmeister | June 8, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 8, 2010 5:52 PM

Friend, your Spanish is lacking. You meant to say Golllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!

Posted by: Friend2All | June 8, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Emmitt Smith might be the last great back to get into the Hall as elite rushers have slowly fallen by the wayside in preference for passing to win, not running.

I mean, is L Tomilinson Hall worthy?

P Manning is a lock as is T Dungy (if he's not in already).

And, of course, there's that #4 guy up in Minn/Green Bay......

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse
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I'd love for Samuels to get in, but considering that he was only on 1 all-pro team and Orlando Pace, at a minimum, would probably be ahead of him, I unfortunately question Samuels' chances with the voters, even though I think he's worthy. I agree about Zach Thomas - I don't know his numbers, but he just strikes we as a hall of "very good"-type player. And Ronde Barber? Do you think so? I'm not sure about him.

I think LT is a HOF lock. He was on course to have the best stats for a RB ever for a while. I think he's done way more than enough to get in, even if he doesn't gain another yard.

What about TO? As much as we Redskins fans generally dislike him, he probably has the numbers for it.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 8, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Moe, two names jump out at me: Tom Brady and his coach might have a puncher's chance at getting elected to the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 8, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Moe, there's literally ZERO chance Chris Samuels makes the HoF over Ike Bruce. I love #60 as much as the next Skins fan, but he never won a damn thing, played on some of the worse Redskin teams ever, and probably made half his Pro-Bowls on reputation alone. Bruce is 2nd only to Jerry Rice in career receiving yardage and is top 10 in some other key categories. The only thing you can nitpick is that he didn't crack 100 TDs...and getting a ring kinda trumps that in my opinion.

I'll concur that Zach Thomas won't get in, but Warner and Bruce will eventually get in...even if it's not in their first year of eligibility.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 8, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

997. White Noise
998. The Emergency Broadcast System Alert Test
999. A monkey scratching his nuts
1000. Soccer

Posted by: RedDMV

Nice to see you are using your contempt for "Good." Keep bashing soccer, it's more entertaining than a nil-nil friendly between the South Pole and Guam.

You have to admit, tho, Soccer has better riots.

Two things about your list. A: You listed "porn" twice, and 2: #997 is racist.

Posted by: TheCork | June 8, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

What about TO? As much as we Redskins fans generally dislike him, he probably has the numbers for it.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 8, 2010 6:21 PM


He's got 144 TDs, over 1000 catches and over 14,000 yards. Something's wrong with the HoF if he DOESN'T get in...

But then again, if Art Monk had to wait 8 years to get in, we're already well aware of that aren't we?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 8, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

1-Nil is insurmountable, yet 2-0 is "the most dangerous lead in soccer". Such is the mystery of the beautiful game.

Love it or hate, not trying to change anyone's mind. But if you love it, you have 30 days of bliss coming up. If you hate it, you have squadoosh.

But then again, people who hate a lot of things are a pain in the butt to have around...like vegetarians.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 8, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

The redskins should definitely sign T.O. for cheap. That way if he becomes a problem, cut him. We don't have any other receivers who have had success in this league.

Posted by: nfcBEaST | June 8, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I meant in a west coast offense.

Posted by: nfcBEaST | June 8, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

The redskins should definitely sign T.O. for cheap. That way if he becomes a problem, cut him. We don't have any other receivers who have had success in this league.

Posted by: nfcBEaST | June 8, 2010 6:56 PM


I've warmed up to this thought considerably...Moss is probably going to be suspended for 4 games, and the Thomas/Kelly tandem hasn't looked good thus far. Not saying they can't turn it around by opening day, but why chance it? Especially when we have to see Dallas in Week 1. After seeing TO on NFL Total Access on Friday, it looks like he's finally starting to see the light. Provided he and Donovan have truly mended fences, I don't see the harm in signing the guy to a one-year "show me" contract.

If JC were still here and the team was focusing on building for the future, my opinion would be much different. But the Skins have stepped out and said they intended to be good right away by trading picks for McNabb. In order to compete immediately, they need help at WR. And like it or not, TO is the best WR available.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 8, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, and Marvin Harrison are my guesses for WRs going into the HOF... and I think Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt will pose an interesting quandary for electors when the time comes.

The Hall is going to commemorate the "Greatest Show on Turf" for sure, in the persons of Kurt Warner, Orlando Pace, and Marshall Faulk, methinks, as well as one or both of those great WRs.

For what it's worth, I think Bruce gets in and Holt doesn't...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 8, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

brownwood, your HOF analysis is dead on. Bruce, yes, because he deserves it. Tory Holt has a shot as well. Warner yes, because the Hall loves his story and loves QBs with rings. Samuels, he'll get some consideration, but he's behind too many other LTs (Ogden, Roaf, Walter Jones, larry allen).

Zach Thomas has a decent chance, on the fence. Never was a big fan of Zach, but the folks from FLA up here who saw him play thought very highly of him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

If JC were still here and the team was focusing on building for the future, my opinion would be much different. But the Skins have stepped out and said they intended to be good right away by trading picks for McNabb. In order to compete immediately, they need help at WR. And like it or not, TO is the best WR available.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 8, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse
________

T.O. was on NFL Total Access last night. Although he's fooled everyone before, it seemed like he had chilled out somewhat. More to the point, the guy asked him specifically about playing with the Redskins and McNabb. TO said that he and McNabb have squashed their beef and actually competed with one another in some "jocks vs. jocks"-style reality show that's going to air. The guy also asked him if he could stomach being a #2 WR, and while he didn't specifically say, "whatever - that'd be fine", he didn't poo the idea, and said something along the lines of "what's that mean anyway? I just want to be productive". All in all he basically said the right things.

I've also warmed up a little bit to the TO idea.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 8, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Holt and Bruce make a case for best WR tandem ever. Among the others to consider, Swann/Stallworth and Monk/Clark.

Swann and Stallworth deserve consideration because they put up very good numbers on a running team. Something like 70% run during their glory years.

Monk and Clark were ridiculously underrated. In 1995, when they retired, they were 4th and 8th in league history in receiving yards. They paired up for 8 years and were both top 5 in the league in receiving yards during those years. Made more impressive by the fact the Skins ran a 3 WR offense, (a lot of passes went Sanders way, he was top 15 in receiving yards over about a 5 year period) and were a 50/50 run/pass team.

Bruce and Holt are both top 10 all time in yards. If Holt, now 33, can manage another 1200 yards, he'll be 5th all time. He had 8 straight season over 1100 yards.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

There's plenty of film on terrell in Buffalo last year. That was his year to show if he's worth bringing on board. Don't think it worked out well, lots of drops if I recall. Obviously, he's a risky guy, though Shanahan isn't shy about risky personalities.

Me, I think Shanahan has his hands full with challenging personalities. Landry, Albert, Portis, LJ. I'm in the 'no' category.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

as for owens in to the HOF, no question. Maybe not first ballot, I think a bunch of people won't be comfortable with him going in in year 1. It'll be easy to tell which guys vote for owens, they'll be the ones wearing nose plugs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 8, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Strasburg has already mowed down more Pirates than our Navy SEALS snipers.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 8, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Strasburg looks GOOD. 2 innings, 1 hit, 4 K

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 8, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that kid's taken the mound in DC... hail to him.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 8, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

"Have we heard any specifics as to why either M. Mitchell or Hunter the Punter were not retained? I realize Mitchell was a work in progress, but he did show flashes of much potential imho, while Hunter appeared to me to be the best punter we'd had here since Roby. So... what happened?"

That's what a new administration is about: turnover along the margins. When the new crew came aboard, they sat down in the film room and began reviewing players. Divided them into 3 categories: definite keep, definite release, and 'maybe'. Mitchell was on the low end of the maybe group, and his fate was soon decided. As for punters, they live in their own special hell of free agency. Teams change punters for no good reason at all.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 8, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

"Holt and Bruce make a case for best WR tandem ever. Among the others to consider, Swann/Stallworth and Monk/Clark."

That just illustrates how difficult it is to separate the WR from the offense by sheer productivity. Holt and Bruce were terrific in an offense that for a couple of years was virtually unstoppable. Swann and Stallworth are known most for their role in the team's success in the Super Bowl. Monk and Clark were on very good teams that ran way more than they passed. They were the least spectacular but for all we know, may have been the best of the three.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 8, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Strasburg has already mowed down more Pirates than our Navy SEALS snipers.

Posted by: SMACK1

Not because they couldn't but because their commander in chief is a puzzy! Despite what the ("who's asz I need to kick comment") Where is the decorum for the office? I blame his handlers.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 8, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

"Strasburg looks GOOD."

He looks great so far.

He responded well when the Pirates seemed to have figured him out by throwing one of the best curveballs and changeups you'll ever see as an outpitch.

He should win 9-12 games this year.

The Nats have a keeper.

But let's wait to see what the lineups in NY, FLA, and Philly have to say before crowning him the King Of D.C..

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Strikeout number FOURTEEN, including last 3 in a row. Yeah, Moe, he's gonna go double digit wins this year.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 8, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

"Holt and Bruce make a case for best WR tandem ever. Among the others to consider, Swann/Stallworth and Monk/Clark."


It's hard to compare the players listed for obvious reasons:

Monk/Clark and Swann/Stallworth and others played in run-first systems back in the day.

How would they have faired in today's NFL where dbs can't grab, hold, or 'beat up' receivers to make them wary of punishment?

How would Bruce/Holt or Harrison/Wayne have faired with the likes of Mel Blount or Mike Haynes jamming them for more than 5 yards past the line of scrimmage?

Duper/Clayton is a pair we fail to remember, but they excelled in the in-between time where the league gradually moved from emphasis on the run to passing.

In terms of pass catching tandems, I'd rank:

1. Duper/Clayton

2. Swann/Stallworth

3. Bruce/Holt/Hakim

4. Monk/Clark/Saunders

5. Jefferson/Joiner/Winslow

5. Harrison/Wayne

...and if I had to take a pair going into this season, I'd roll with Swann/Stallworth or Joiner/Jefferson/Winslow.

Henry Ellard is my 'move the chains' guy.

I got Dan Fouts in his prime under center.

So much for "Back N the Day" Fantasy Football.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

romo

"Strikeout number FOURTEEN, including last 3 in a row....he's (SS) gonna go double digit wins this year."


His success will bring folks to the park and sell merchandise.

And so, if you are the Nats' management, do you enter the Cliff Lee sweepstakes this Fall?

Yes, that means spending money, but it also means you walk away with to legit starters at the front end of your rotation.

It means more fans show up, your bullpen is better, you suddenly become a NL player.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Henry Ellard is my 'move the chains' guy.

I got Dan Fouts in his prime under center.

So much for "Back N the Day" Fantasy Football.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Henry Ellard is my all time favorite WR, he did most of his damage when he played for suspect Rams teams. And his career numbers would of looked even better if he hadn't had the unfortunate luck of being drafted by an Eric Dickerson run dominant offense early in his career. Ellard and Flipper Anderson for 2 yrs looked like they might of been on the path for one of the all time great pairs, but it didn't work out that way. Rice and Taylor were a pretty good combo for a little while too.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 8, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

However, the US does care about soccer. The US still holds attendance records for the World Cup we held in 1994. The US currently is the 2nd highest nation in tickets purchased for the current World Cup, trailing only the host nation of South Africa. There is an extremely high level of interest in this sport over here, and it will show up yet again in the ratings of the WC this summer.
Posted by: psps23 | June 8, 2010 5:46 PM

For the Pro-Soccer folks, I hope you know I'm not against soccer as sport. I hate it, dont watch it, thats all. But just like soccer fans loving it and passionate, thats cool, no judging. But, I am sorry, we can talk about the MLS being a development league, etc. And how following all the cups and tourneys abroad is tough. If soccer was a money maker it would be more apart of the mainstream TV. You see some of the garbage they put on? It is not a sport for TV, Hockey is better in person too but the field is half the size, and therefore easier to follow. I know, I know the WC, blah, blah, blah. Not that its a numbers comparison, but the sport of curling gets a hell of a punch during the Winter Olympics, and afterwards? Not so much. Once the Cup is over, hell before that, because Training Camp starts, the clamor dies down. For those that are passionate you will again disagree. But TV is about money and after WC, Soccer is not a priority for them, cause they know nobody is watching, Sorry.

Posted by: Club320 | June 8, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

No need to apologize. That was fn hilarious!

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 8, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

And so, if you are the Nats' management, do you enter the Cliff Lee sweepstakes this Fall?
Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 9:02 PM

That's probably gonna be a big price tag, and someone's gonna pay, but prob not us. We've got some young guys like Meyers and Milone in the works, with Wang and (hopefully) Zimmermann making it back this year. And Stras, of course.

Soooooo

If it's about money, then it ain't my money, and if we have a shot I do it. If it's giving up our prospects, I say no.

Help out an MLB front office novice, Moe. How's it work in MLB? If someone picks him up this year, can he immediately negotiate an extension? Or is it a 2 month rental?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 8, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

although I don't really follow baseball, congrats to Strasburg on a well-pitched MLB debut.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 8, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

"Help out an MLB front office novice.... How's it work in MLB?"


Like with other sports, it depends on the contract of the player you want.

Plus, is the team that has the contract in the playoff hunt.

Baseball is way more flexible about player movement than football.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

"Rice and Taylor were a pretty good combo for a little while too."

Ooooopsssss.....!

I think we need to amend the Top Pass Receiver List just a lil bit:

1. Duper/Clayton

2. Rice/Taylor/Jones

3. Swann/Stallworth

4. Bruce/Holt/Hakim

5. Monk/Clark/Saunders

6. Jefferson/Joiner/Winslow

7. Harrison/Wayne/Clark

8. Irvin/Harper/Novacek

9. Moss/Carter


Now...that's much, much better.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 8, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Moe not sure you answered the question...so Cliff Lee could sign a free agent contract in the offseason, one that is sure to include a no trade for long term (heh heh).

And if the Nats signed him before this year is over, could he ink a similar deal this year with us via an extension of his current (and soon to end) contract? Or would we trade our prospects to the Mariners for a 2 month rental and he's free to sign with whoever he wants in the offseason?

Kobe looks like he's on pace for something like....30/5/7?

And what time do they start serving beer for WC in DC? 7AM?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 8, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

That's right, and all of you be sure to wear your "God F**** The Queen" T-shirts for saturnday.

http://www.smartmodernart.com/image-files/queen1.jpg

oi...

Posted by: frak | June 8, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Moe -

On my all-time team, I've got Fouts under center too - and Henry Ellard, ...and Kellen Winslow at TE. Walter Payton and either Bo (the healthy Bo - and not playing baseball) or Earl Campbell in the backfield.

The rest of the WR's is such a tough call. Could go about ten different ways...

What fun.

Posted by: edvar | June 8, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Stras-a-poluza...

I'd say he exceeded expectations. Blame Pudge for calling an off-speed pitch.

21 batters faced...14 K's. I wonder if the O's can send a package of everybody not named Weiters/Jones/Markakis for the phenom.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 8, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

looks like the refs want to get paid for 7 games.. Celts are getting horrendous calls against them. It'll be a 7 game championship.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 8, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Hank Steinbrenner is excited too.. Strasburg a Yankee in 2014.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 8, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Kobe has resorted to kicking people in the throat now.

Big surprise.

Posted by: Thinker_ | June 8, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

snagm- Byrce Harper a Yankee in 2016

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 8, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 8, 2010 11:14 PM

You have got to be kidding. And it ain't going 7. Lakers get one more in Boston.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 8, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Kobe got his ass bailed out again.

Pierce and Allen have the worst games of their lives and Cs still almost pull it out.

NBA will make sure Cs win game 4...

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 8, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Can't beat that suspense, bball kids! What drama! The highlights will select themselves. Poor editors.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 8, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Kobe got his ass bailed out again.

Pierce and Allen have the worst games of their lives and Cs still almost pull it out.

NBA will make sure Cs win game 4...

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 8, 2010 11:53 PM

==================
agreed .. 7 games mean millions to the NBA.
Is that NBA ref that threw the games still in jail?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 8, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm....not looking good for the Celtics. Series at 2-1 after losing at home. It'll be mighty hard to win this series now.

Another ring for Kobe's collection coming up.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 9, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

What a day on the blog. Lakers win in Boston, Strasberg dazzles in his debut (dazzles might be an understatement) and Casey Rabach is getting old.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 9, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

TO is a Fing doooooooshbag and is not, and never will be, worthy of wearing the Burgundy and Gold.

The only thing I like seeing relating TO to the Redskins is video of ST21 repeatedly rocking his punk alligator armed azz.

Try and set some standards for yourselves, people.

That is all.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 9, 2010 4:49 AM | Report abuse

TO is a Fing doooooooshbag and is not, and never will be, worthy of wearing the Burgundy and Gold.

Try and set some standards for yourselves, people.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 9, 2010 4:49 AM


Right, and I suppose Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly are worthy?

Trust me...I felt the same way when the offseason began. But the TO I saw on Friday night wasn't the same narcissistic A-hole we've seen over the last several years. I'm sure there's still some of that floating around in him, but I don't think it'll be at the forefront of his career like it has been in years past. I know he's probably not the same player he was even a couple years ago, but he's still better than the clusterf*ck of mediocrity we've got at WR right now.

I'd love nothing more than to see DT11 step up his game and be that #1 guy. But in the event he doesn't, he need to have a guy ready to wear that hat until we can get one (or further develop one of the guys already here) in 2011.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 5:02 AM | Report abuse

Brwonwood, I am a Redskin fan and I would rather go 0-16 than have that azz hat to on the team.

You either get that, or you don't.

F him. And his Rosenhaus coached nfl network pimp show. The part when he had to talk about randy moss was most telling... the real punk came leaking through the bs that rosenhaus had draped all over him.

I don't care who catches passes for DMAC5 as long as it isn't that ftard.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 9, 2010 5:09 AM | Report abuse

And on that pleasant note, I'm off to bed. have a good day Brownwood. We'll get somebody to catch passes, and it really really really really shouldn't be to.

Once a punk, always a punk, and he defines the role.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 9, 2010 5:14 AM | Report abuse

A couple other thoughts:

-This Strasburg kid is legit...I'm not even into baseball and this guy looked like a stud last night. Looks like there really is star power returning to D.C.

-If the Celts can't beat the Lakers with Kobe crapping the bed in the 4th quarter, they're done. They'll probably get one more game, but that's about it. If the refs allow it, of course.

-Just browsing over some of the posts from yesterday, I see that a couple people up here still love attributing TEAM record to individual players. It bears repeating: if you're going to attach this assinine practice to QBs, then you have to do it for other position players as well. So if you do that, the following remarks are true:

Maybe we needed Jon Jansen after all...since we lost 4 more games without him than we did with him.

Brian Orakpo is a bust. Since, you know, we went 4-12 with him on the roster and 8-8 before he showed up.

The following QBs rank higher than Sonny Jurgensen in Redskins history...Tony Banks, Brad Johnson, Mark Brunell. Since it's all about W/L record and stats and other circumstances have no bearing on how good a guy is.

-Beth Holloway is a MILF.

That is all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 5:21 AM | Report abuse

F him. And his Rosenhaus coached nfl network pimp show. The part when he had to talk about randy moss was most telling... the real punk came leaking through the bs that rosenhaus had draped all over him.


Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 9, 2010 5:09 AM


I've seen a lot of his pressers over his career (as has anyone who's watched ESPN even a little bit over the last 7 years), and this felt a lot different from the usual "Rosenhaus coached pimp show". If you paid attention Friday night, there was no overdone pimping of himself or his abilities, there was no sweeping proclamation that he's still an elite WR, and he finally owned up to making mistakes over the course of his career. We've never heard that before, and I doubt Rosenhaus coached him into being humble for the first time in his professional life.

But hey...if you don't buy what he's selling, you don't buy it. Ultimately, neither of us really has a say in whether he dons burgundy and gold. I'm just starting to kinda hope he does.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 5:33 AM | Report abuse

BTW...saying "I am a Redskin fan and I would rather go 0-16 than have that azz hat to on the team" is the equivolent of saying "I'm not a rapist but when a chick says or does something I don't like, I tend to tie her up, take a piece of pussy pie from her whether she likes it or not, and then leave her naked body on the side of the road when I'm finished". It's kind of a contradiction...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 5:39 AM | Report abuse

Rabach is also the little piggy in the pigsty.

Posted by: scalawag | June 9, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

From John Clayton's mailbag on ESPN.com:

Q: Now that the Redskins have acquired Trent Williams to solidify the LT position, are there any moves the Skins should be considering in order to further improve their line? They definitely still need help, so would you expect them to sign a free agent like Flozell Adams, or maybe try to trade for Jared Gaither or some other starter on the line?

Adam in Alexandria, Va.

A: While the line still needs work and more talent, there isn't a right tackle out there who makes much sense to sign. The Ravens aren't giving up Gaither for anything less than a second-round pick, so that isn't going to happen. One option would be to take Jammal Brown from the Saints and make him a right tackle, but he wouldn't be coming to Washington under a long-term deal. Adams would only be an insurance policy in case Trent Williams suffers an injury. The key to the line is Williams and how he develops -- along with Donovan McNabb getting the ball off quickly. The Redskins' line got too old two years ago, so it will take time to build it back up.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with the "going 0-16" statement, but I do agree with Kaneohe re TO. A tiger can't changed his stripes. I didn't see the interview, but I have seen all I want to see of the selfish self-centered TO. There are other options out there. And after watching him drop passes last year, I don't think he is the answer anyway.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 9, 2010 6:40 AM | Report abuse

"1. Duper/Clayton
2. Rice/Taylor/Jones"

How come some 'tandems' are just a little bigger than others?

Call me crazy, but seems a bit unfair...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 9, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

"The Ravens aren't giving up Gaither for anything less than a second-round pick, so that isn't going to happen. One option would be to take Jammal Brown from the Saints and make him a right tackle, but he wouldn't be coming to Washington under a long-term deal."

I don't know why folks on the blog like Gaither so much. He's young and huge, but not particularly quick-footed. He doesn't excel at either tackle. Jammal Brown is much better at the left side and not really a good fit on the right. I agree the Skins need another tackle, but I'm not sure who they'll come up with. Certainly not a big name...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 9, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

fritz, I get the apprehension on TO...I really do. But there aren't any legit options out there if the guys on this roster don't get it done.

Moss is probably going to be out the first month of the season. So it's basically down to whether you can get production out of the DT/MK combo or if an afterthought player steps to the forefront (Bobby Wade...please stand up). I'd love for DT and MK to be the best combo we want them to be, but the early indication is that won't be the case. Their drama aside, TO and McNabb were an awesome tandem in '04...and while they probably won't re-create that magic in D.C. it's probably still potent enough to move the chains on a team that needs every advantage it can get.

And I think we're far enough removed from his troublemaking years to stop harping on that. Comparitively speaking, he had every reason to be a distraction in Buffalo last year and he wasn't. I don't think his numbers dropped because he's done, I think his numbers dropped because for the first time in his career he didn't have a Pro-Bowler throwing him the pill.

In this offense, with McNabb throwing him the ball, I think TO is still good for 60-70 catches, around 1,000 yards and about 10 TDs. That kinda production hasn't been seen here in years. And if he's still capable of that kind of production he's worth taking a flier on, IMO.

So I don't necessarily think he's "the answer", but I do think he's better than what we have now. I don't see a downside to a one year "show me" contract in an uncapped year where you can cut him at the first sign of trouble. Dude HAS to know it's the end of the line for him if he acts up. And with this potentially being his last chance (at a ring and a job), I think he'd be on his best behavior.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

"But the TO I saw on Friday night wasn't the same narcissistic A-hole we've seen over the last several years."

Sure he is. Has to be, unless we're talking about animatronics.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 9, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

I don't know why folks on the blog like Gaither so much. He's young and huge, but not particularly quick-footed. He doesn't excel at either tackle. Jammal Brown is much better at the left side and not really a good fit on the right. I agree the Skins need another tackle, but I'm not sure who they'll come up with. Certainly not a big name...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 9, 2010 6:57 AM


Agreed...the Ravens don't just let young talent get away. So Gaither being on the block is indication enough that he's not worth trading for. And the Jamaal Brown trade only made sense before we took Williams at #4 overall. The only way that works is if Williams moves to RT for a couple years...in which case, we wasted a 4th overall pick. Barring some surprise training camp cuts, I think the O-line you see today is the one we're going into the season with. We just have to hope the new scheme and some coaches worth a damn will be all the improvement we need for 2010.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

brownie, I think we only find out if DT and MK can play is if we put the in and play them. Yes, Wade has shown that he can be a possession receiver, and will fill in some. I'm not expecting anything from Galloway.

And don't forget CC and FD. There has been some mention of playing one of them as a 3rd wo at times.

TO may no longer be a distraction. But he dropped a lot of balls last year that he should have caught, so it doesn't matter who is throwing to him. I just have no use for him, and think we should look for someone younger and smarter.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 9, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

TO may no longer be a distraction. But he dropped a lot of balls last year that he should have caught, so it doesn't matter who is throwing to him. I just have no use for him, and think we should look for someone younger and smarter.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 9, 2010 7:17 AM

Like I said...I would love to employ that guy if he existed. But I don't think he does. Not on the FA market and not on the roster. I'm still hoping DT can at least prove me wrong, but the indication is that the Shanahans aren't impressed.

The drops thing is kinda relative, IMO...I'd have to see numbers relating to ON-TARGET drops instead of just passes that hit his fingertips when he's making an adjustment to a poorly thrown ball. Seems to me guys that are among the league leaders in drops are the guys that have a ridiculous amount of passes thrown their way.

Even still...I'll take a guy who routinely gets open and drops every 10th or 11th pass vs. a guy that simply can't get open. We have way too many of the latter here as it is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Samson, I've enjoyed reading te blitzology website, but I'm confused. In the May 27 reference, author has labeled RT and RG standing to left of center as they face LOS. In defense schematics, do DC's refer to OL as ORT facing DRE?

Posted by: frediefritz | June 9, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Not sure my question is clear. Here is the alignment of the two lines...

RT RG C LG LT
E N T E

Posted by: frediefritz | June 9, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, that's how I would expect it to be. In blitzology , it was...

LT LG C RG RT
E N T E

Posted by: frediefritz | June 9, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Let me draw that up better.

In blitzology, the two lines were as follows...

....LT....LG...C...RG...RT
..E..........N.....T......E

When I do schemes, I would show OL with their correct names from their perspective, ie RT faces left DE.

Just thought this was odd.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 9, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

"...so Cliff Lee could sign a free agent contract in the offseason, one that is sure to include a no trade for long term..."

Well, a couple fo things could happen:

a.) Lee could finish out his time in Seattle, enter the free agent market where a team like the Nats could bid for his services.

Nats fans would go nuts to have SS and Cliff Lee at the front end of the rotation.

That's maybe, 25-30 added wins, y'all.

But I doubt the Nationals are ready to be serious players in the baseball FA market just yet.

If the team has any kind of vision, it should spend to win: the sight of loaded stands last night and the buzz that came with it is a heck of a convincing argument.

b.) Lee could be traded as a 'rental' and then, hit the free agent market once the season ends.

c.) Lee could be traded as a 'rental,' decides he likes where he is, and sign up with that team.

(options 'b' and 'c' would mean some team would have to give up farm system value for the trade as the Mariners aren't going to let him be a rental on the cheap.)

d.) Andy Pettite could retire, force the Steinbrenner's hand, and Cliff Lee signs a deal for $14-18 mil a year with the Yanks.

Moe says 'd' might be the best option as the Yanks will choose Lee if he and C Crawford are free.

And with that, I think we've been clear enough.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 9, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Ray Allen just missed another shot......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 9, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Anyone heard anything about Westbrook and if he signed the contract yet???

Posted by: monk811 | June 9, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

LOL Greg...glad you've got a good sense of humor about it. I don't think I've seen that kinda bricklaying in the Finals since John Starks...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

bean

"Ray Allen just missed another shot."


I thought the Celts would make quick work of the Lakers, but it appears the Green Team is too dependant on one guy having a 'hot hand'.

The Lakers are one well-functioning, long, fluid basketball team.

I sense some parquet-floor disappoint spreading your way.

Put your hopes on the boys who play on Yawkey Way, my friend.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 9, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

brown, the worst part of it was that they ran a play at the end of the game to get him the ball, when he was OFER the game...

Don't understand what Doc was thinking...Ray, and Pierce both sucked last night. Nice to see KG get it back.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 9, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Greg, shooters shoot. If Ray Allen is normally your money guy in the clutch, you don't go away from him--even if he's ice cold. Nothing is worse for the psyche of a shooter. I remember the Pacers going to Reggie Miller even in the midst of an awful shooting performance and he still nailed the game-winner. You dance with the girl that brought you and take your chances with RayRay.

But I wouldn't worry...this series ain't over till the refs say so.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

brown, yeah, I know, you shoot your way out of a slump, they should have gone to pierce I think. They should have gone to pierce after artest got into foul trouble in the first.

Wasted opportunity....they've had good INDIVIDUAL performances, but not a good TEAM performance.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 9, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone heard anything about Westbrook and if he signed the contract yet?"

The real question, given his injury/concussion history, is why is he even contemplating playing anymore?

One too many hits to the head, and your brain gets scrambled like this morning's eggs.

I guess Westbrook wants to sound like Evander Holyfield ten years from now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 9, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Damn Greg.... I think you laid an all time jinx on Ray yesterday with your "16 for 16" line...

Thought C's were gonna pull it out but just couldn't make the one stop/play to put them over the hump.

Another note - that's why Kobe will never be MJ... not cause he had a bad 4th and got bailed out again... but because he was taking hero shots (30 foot fadeaways with 16 seconds left on shot clock) just for the sake of trying to be a hero...

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 9, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Ryp, Kobe will never be MJ just because, well, it's not possible. Jordan is and will always be Jordan and Kobe is and will always be Kobe. And being Kobe ain't bad at all. Great players take what we consider bad shots because they have the supreme self confidence they will make them (and many cases they do). His shots weren't falling last night but credit tough Celtic D.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 9, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

haha, yeah ryp, here I'll reverse it, ray will continue to go 0-fer in Thursday nights game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 9, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

is this thing on still....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 9, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I know Greg...maybe the hoops discussion finally chased everyone away, haha.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

brown, I thought it was your delusions about TO.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 9, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Wowie, wow-wow-wow! That was a lot of fun watching that baseball game last night. Talk about giving a city/team some hope for the future. That was awesome. His next three games are pretty much set up like facing the equivalent of the pirates lineup too. Good to get him some more confidence built up (if that’s possible). I do look fwd to seeing him go up against some of the better teams for a “real” test though.

As for TO, I can’t stand the guy and don’t want him in a skins uni, but one thing that could be viewed as a positive is that on all the teams he has played for, he was never a problem in his 1st year with them. So it could be argued that bringing him in for a one year deal might not be so bad. But I wouldn’t wish for it.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 9, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

After 10 years....I am now a BAseball Fan again. But not an Os fan cuz we now got our own team. Strasburg is the sh!t!

Now....WTF wasn't the game in HD??

And WTF is RedDMV? Is the crow hard to swallow?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 9, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad the refs let the stars stay in the game last night. The Lakers and Celts both have decent benches, but forcing the teams' best players to the bench on ticky-tack fouls made Game 2 a little disappointing.

That said, I think the Celtics have a real mountain to climb now.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 9, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

As for TO, I can’t stand the guy and don’t want him in a skins uni, but one thing that could be viewed as a positive is that on all the teams he has played for, he was never a problem in his 1st year with them. So it could be argued that bringing him in for a one year deal might not be so bad. But I wouldn’t wish for it.


Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 9, 2010 9:28 AM


I had that same exact attitude about it a couple weeks ago but the closer we get to the season without a clear cut #1 WR, the more I think we can't afford to stay pat with the guys we have. There's literally no downside to at least kicking the guy's tires.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Now....WTF wasn't the game in HD??


MLB Network had it in HD.. SS had the nasty hook working last night.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 9, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

MLB Network had it in HD.. SS had the nasty hook working last night.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 9, 2010 9:40 AM

It was Blacked out in the DC Market. We are releguted to MASN, which is owned by Angelos and only has one HD channel, so they showed the NOs vs. Yanks. And we in the DC area was releguted to watching the game in Poor standard Def.

If every pitcher pitched like Strasburg, the game would me much shorter and more exciting.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 9, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Ray Allen just missed another shot......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 9, 2010 8:07 AM
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funny bean..

His aim was so bad.. he probably missed the crapper, too, after the game.

7 game series...and lotsa dough for the NBA.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 9, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"If every pitcher pitched like Strasburg, the game would me much shorter and more exciting.

Posted by: 4thFloor"

I agree. I couldn't believe it, but I was actually enjoying watching the game yesterday.

Posted by: psps23 | June 9, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | June 9, 2010 9:33 AM

You mean except for the Garbage fouls on Pierce, of course?

I know at least 2 of his he hardly breathed on the guy...

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 9, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Portis, Johnson, Parker, Westbrook.

Ugh...

Portis and Westbrook are one hit away from retirement (Westbrook is probably already there...). Don't even know what we expect to get from Washed-up-Willie-Parker. I hope Johnson has 1-2 good years left. He's 30 but with "low miles".

We're gonna need a whole new set of RB's next year.

2010 RB's = 2009 O line.

Posted by: edvar | June 9, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Are there OTA’s today – Friday? Only thing I see on redskins dot com is next week’s mini-camp from the 16th-18th. I think that the mini-camp is the first mandatory thing right? The website doesn’t say much…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 9, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I had that same exact attitude about it a couple weeks ago but the closer we get to the season without a clear cut #1 WR, the more I think we can't afford to stay pat with the guys we have. There's literally no downside to at least kicking the guy's tires.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather bring back MARKO MITCHELL than look at T.O. The guys mental - period.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 9, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 9, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

That sucks.. Moving to DC this weekend for a few months and I'm def. going to have to purchase the MLB package.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 9, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

C'mon, guys, we went out and got Joey Galloway, so we don't need a Terrell Owens type dude... and it's not like any suspension for Santana has been announced, has it?

There's plenty of time to make a panic move between now and the season. Oh, wait, panic moves... that was the Cerrato mentality.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 9, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

2010 RB's = 2009 O line.

Posted by: edvar | June 9, 2010 9:55 AM

I don't think so...Slow Willie Parker is just camp fodder, he won't make it to the final 53.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 9, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Ryp, you're right about the cheap fouls on Pierce.

I don't get it because the only guys on the floor with a rep for brawling (Artest & Wallace) are really behaving themselves. Pierce and Bryant (pretty much all the starters for both teams) are just too professional, there's no need to "send a message" to these guys by calling garbage fouls.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 9, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

As for TO, I can’t stand the guy and don’t want him in a skins uni, but one thing that could be viewed as a positive is that on all the teams he has played for, he was never a problem in his 1st year with them. So it could be argued that bringing him in for a one year deal might not be so bad. But I wouldn’t wish for it.


Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 9, 2010 9:28 AM


I had that same exact attitude about it a couple weeks ago but the closer we get to the season without a clear cut #1 WR, the more I think we can't afford to stay pat with the guys we have. There's literally no downside to at least kicking the guy's tires.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Only problem is TO is that hes fallin of fast. He only had 800 some yards and 5 TDs last year. And I remember like 200 of those yards came in one game. Most people in BUF feel that he just wasn't there for most of the year. There is mos def a better option then TO at this stage in his career.

Oh and the Strasball era has finally been ushered in. Even against the the equivalent of a AAA team he was utterly dominant. Great part is he keeps facing some nearly as bad lineups in the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 9, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

"Just thought this was odd.Posted by: frediefritz"

Yep, it's beyond me. Looks like they were thinking upside down.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 9, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

4th - I don't think Willie makes it either, but we still need some young guys back there who can also play ST's.

If we do sign Westbrook, I don't trust either him or CP to last the season. I think we're rolling the dice here.

Posted by: edvar | June 9, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Mad props to BeantownGreg.

Dude talked a lot of smack here yesterday about what RayRay was going to do last night and such, then showed up early and ready to dish despite the off night. Cool!

Posted by: Alan4 | June 9, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm in the building, 4th... What am I supposed to be eating crow for? The Finals? Strasburg?


The finals game last night was really good. Couldn't believe that Allen would shoot 0-13 and Pierce would once again be a non-factor.

The game was won on Lamar Odom finally showing up and Derek Fisher coming up BIG down the stretch. Fisher was actually driving it to the basket, I haven't seen that since, um...

Never.


Strasburg is a beast. You know the stat line from him. What else can I say? But lets see how he does against some of the better bats in the NL. But nevertheless it was an awesome performance. 14K's with ZERO walks????


And did I just read that psps23 was "excited" while watching a baseball game?

Maybe I'll watch US vs. England... for about 10 minutes.

3 minutes.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 9, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

OK, time to get nuts with the stats again.

In response to 4th's "Jared Gaither is overrated" statement, I submit the following:

Pass Protection - 2009

Jared Gaither played in 11 games last season (missed a coupe due to injury) and played 703 snaps.

The Ravens were credited with surrendering 36 sacks last season which ranked 20th in the league - Gaither is credited with surrendering only 4 of those sacks as LT.

However, Gaither is credited with surrendering only 2 QB hits and 6 QB pressures.

Total those stats into a "Pass-Pro" number (6 sacks + 2hits + 6 pressures = 12)

Now look at the sample of LTs AND RTs who played FEWER snaps than Jared Gaither beginning with Matt Light (688 snaps) and ending with TJ Lang (373 snaps).

There are 25 tackles in that "snap" range. Of those 25 tackles (all of whom played fewer snaps) there are only 2 players with a better "pass-pro" number:

Sebastian Vollmer (615 snaps) - 11 (1 sack, 1 QB hit, 9 pressures)

Kevin Schafer (366 snaps) - 11 (3 sacks, 1 hit, 7 pressures)

For the record,the guys at profootballfocus.com have Gaither rated as the 6th best tackle in the league.

In 2008, Gaither's pass protection was even more ridiculous. He wasn;t injured and logged 1095 snaps - 4th most in the league at tackle, 3rd most in league at LT.

He's credited with giving up only 2 sacks in 1095 snaps. That ratio is second-best to only Ryan Clady who gave up an insanse zero sacks in 1079 snaps.

He was also credited with surrendering only 1 QB hit - best ratio in the NFL that year. He surrendered 17 QB pressures - only 6 tackles in the NFL surrendered fewer QB pressures that also logged over 1000 snaps but Gaither still logged more snaps than any of them.

These stats would also need to be filtered along the lines of pass-run plays, which the toggle does not filter for.

But even if you take that route, you must also consider that in 2009, the Ravens were 5th in the league in averaging 137.5 rushing yards per game and 4th in the league averaging 4.7 yards per carry. In 2008 the Ravens averaged 148.5 yards/game (4th in league) and 4 yards/carry (not a great average, but still effective).

So ultimately, if Gaither wasn't "using" the snap to provide elite pass protection, he was "using" the snap as the LT run-blocking anchor for one of the league's top rushing offenses in the NFL.

Either way you cut it. Gaither is an elite tackle; and at age 24 he has yet to hit his football prime.

Bottom line: NOT overrated

Posted by: p1funk | June 9, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I was watching that Redskins tv show on Comcast last night and they had a camera on the field for OTAs. They were raving about Anthony Armstrong. He looked pretty fast. Larry Weisman is high on the kid and they said that he has impressed the coaching staff. They said Galloway still had speed but he didn't look fast to me.

Larry Weisman tweeted about Armstrong but I can't link it because Twitter is over capacity.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 9, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

al, if you go back and read it, what I said was said in jest....I believe I used to term fantasy land...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 9, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Sorry - in my 2009 Jared Gaither pass-pro number it should be:

4 sacks + 2 hits + 6 pressures = 12

Posted by: p1funk | June 9, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

If we do sign Westbrook, I don't trust either him or CP to last the season. I think we're rolling the dice here.

Posted by: edvar


Was Larry Johnson cut? I know people aren't big fans of his, but do most of you think he's got nothing left at all?

I heard that Portis has slimmed down to "Denver Portis" and to me that means that he'll probably see way less carries than he has since he's been in D.C.

I don't think it's inconceivable to expect 1,000 yards from Portis, about 550 from Johnson, and about 300 from Torain or Westbrook.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 9, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | June 9, 2010 9:33 AM

You mean except for the Garbage fouls on Pierce, of course?

I know at least 2 of his he hardly breathed on the guy...

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 9, 2010 9:54 AM
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early garbage fouls on a team's best player, pretty much changes the game.

If a ref is paid by the game... and certain calls and consequential foul trouble can stretch a series from 5 or 6 games into 7 games... Is this like giving yourself a bonus or a raise?
In light of recent ex-bball refs comments alleging these outside influences (true or not), all leagues with "best of series" championships should find a better system.. its just human nature.

Maybe a flat fee for the complete series regardless of a 4 game sweep or a full 7 game series?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 9, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

p1, I'd like to see those stats for one Stephon Heyer....no..no nevermind...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 9, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 9, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Word, Moe. Thanks for the hook up on that. I guess it goes without saying who utimately wins the bidding wars when the Yanks set their sites on somebody.

Browny, it's a little early for the WR anxiety IMHO. I think having Davis and Cooley on the field at the same time will give us some room for our late bloomers to shine.

And I don't think Moss will be suspended. There's no info whatsoever linking him to PEDs, only with a doctor mostly guilty of practicing in the US without a license (he has one in Canada). From all reports this doc is well respected in the PM&R field.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 9, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Red - Johnson is still around. I'm looking for some good production from him.

You and I are hearing the same things about Portis. Slimmer and in better shape. I'm thinking he will be a better runner this year. But it took him MONTHS to recover from that KO, and one more and he's done. Same with Westbrook if he sports the B&G.

Not gonna freak about it all off season, but I am concerned.

Posted by: edvar | June 9, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

snagm, was it you who had the tix for tomorrow night that you were giving to me, in exchange for me buying you a couple of beers.??

we need to square up where we're meeting before the game and all.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 9, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

p1, I'd like to see those stats for one Stephon Heyer....no..no nevermind...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 9, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse


Even I couldn't manipulate those #s to look respectable...

Posted by: p1funk | June 9, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

So,

Ray-Ray wins one for the C's and then loses one for the C's.

What do you do with that? Call it "even"?

Posted by: p1funk | June 9, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

A slimmer, quicker Portis is a really good thing. He has easily over 1,000 yards this season.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 9, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

p1, Gaither sounds like an all world LT. Can your stats answer a few things: 1)Why didn't the Ravens sign him long term? 2) Why did the Ravens draft a guy to play his position? 3) Why didn't someone sign him based on the tender the Ravens placed on him? 4) Why are the Ravens contemplating trading him?

Just curious.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 9, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Re the Nats and HD. I have Directv and watched the game in HD on MASN2 HD. MLB network was blacked out because my location is local.

Posted by: Markin21132 | June 9, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

It's hilarious and sad that while we're all casting about for things to discuss in this quiet part of the NFL year, nobody mentions the possibility that the Stanley Cup will be hoisted tonight.

I assume nobody posting up here gives a damn about the Flyers or Blackhawks, which is probably why nobody's talking about it. But still.

(Effin' Caps... grumble grumble...)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 9, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Browny, it's a little early for the WR anxiety IMHO. I think having Davis and Cooley on the field at the same time will give us some room for our late bloomers to shine.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 9, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse


I share Browny's WR anxieties.

So far we've heard that Devin Thomas is slowed with a hamstring injury and slow to consistently pickup the plays. Malcolm Kelly is just all-around unimpressive for no reason in particular - isn't this deja-vu all over again???

Even so, I would never go after TO. IMO, that's playing on tilt.

I would rather start Bobby Wade and Joey Galloway...and throw LOTS of passes to Cooley/Davis.

Posted by: p1funk | June 9, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

He's credited with giving up only 2 sacks in 1095 snaps. That ratio is second-best to only Ryan Clady who gave up an insanse zero sacks in 1079 snaps.

Posted by: p1funk | June 9, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

And Shanny drafted this guy at LT. This makes me feel really good about Trent williams.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 9, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I would rather start Bobby Wade and Joey Galloway

Then the 'skins are screwed if that were to happen.

I would rather start James Thrash and Randle El.


I think they were saying that Gaither has questionable work ethic. And that he'll be seeking a big pay day once his contract is up.

No need to pay him and Oher all types of stacks. Especially seeing how the Ravens are able to develop offensive linemen.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 9, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

You and I are hearing the same things about Portis. Slimmer and in better shape. I'm thinking he will be a better runner this year. But it took him MONTHS to recover from that KO, and one more and he's done. Same with Westbrook if he sports the B&G.

Not gonna freak about it all off season, but I am concerned.

Posted by: edvar | June 9, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Why do people say one more and he's done. Isn't this Portis' 1st concussion? Why would he be done?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 9, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Funk, exactly why I'm not so worried.

Earlier in his Iggles career McNabb did much more with much less WR talent than this. Moss, Galloway, Thomas, Kelley, Wade doesn't even seem that shabby to me. Factor in Davis and Cooley, and I think we'll be alright.

As for the deja-vu, was anyone up here expecting them (11&12) to become razor-sharp students of the game all the sudden? They seem to be slow learners with raw talent, the difference this year is we can't blame their retarded growth on the coach/scheme-it's on them to do it.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed, for now.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 9, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather bring back MARKO MITCHELL than look at T.O. The guys mental - period.

Posted by: glawrence007 | June 9, 2010 9:58 AM


So is LJ, yet here he is.

As is Brett Favre. And yet he's been allowed to wreak havoc on 3 teams in the last 3 years and is consistently slurped by just about everyone with media credentials.

I'm fine with taking a pass on the guy if he can't play or if he reverts back to his turdish ways. But right now we're dangerously close to starting the season with Bobby f-ing Wade as our #1 WR. That's not just unacceptable, that's downright depressing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

You guys think we need a WR to step up? Wrap your head around this:

Brandon Lloyd the go-to receiver at Broncos camp

"With Brandon Marshall's trade, coach Josh McDaniels has consistently mentioned Lloyd as an alternative in the passing game. He had four catches for 95 yards in last year's season finale against Kansas City, when Marshall was benched by McDaniels."

Posted by: Alan4 | June 9, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Why is Gaither now playing RT instead of left? And why can't he stay healthy? Plus, he has Rosenhaus as an agent, so he is looking for a $9mil/yr payout.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 9, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Holy moley, Mark from the future!

(And of course in the future the Nats game is in HD!)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 9, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I think we can totally blame their stunted growth on a case of Downs Zorndrome.

They didn't even see the field their rookie season. Barely saw the field their sophomore season. DT11 actually looked like a player last year, oh and when Zorn was "forced" to put Davis out there, well we know how he played.

Plus the Skins ran like what, 8 different passing plays?

Watch these guys beast out this year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 9, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

p1, Gaither sounds like an all world LT. Can your stats answer a few things: 1)Why didn't the Ravens sign him long term? 2) Why did the Ravens draft a guy to play his position? 3) Why didn't someone sign him based on the tender the Ravens placed on him? 4) Why are the Ravens contemplating trading him?

Just curious.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 9, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse


And I will utilize my mind-reading third-eye all-seeing ability to answer your questions, my good learned friend:

1) Ravens haven't signed him long-term because Michael Oher emerged as a legit tackle, and he's on a cheaper long-term rookie contract.

2) When the Ravens drafted Oher, they saw him falling in the draft. Unlike certain other local sports franchises, the Ravens saw an opportunity to get a highly-rated tackle prospect at value - go figure, shoring up the Oline. Anyhow, Oher played right tackle and only got his opportunity at LT when Gaither got injured. Your question is presumptuous - we don't know that the team necessarily had in mind to replace Gaither when they drafted Oher. But moving Oher to LT is also strategic b/c it would mean they negotiate with Gaither as a RT and not a LT. RTs make less money in the league than LTs, so it's a bargaining point that works in favor of the Ravens.

3) Gaither was injured last season for 5 games, so there could very well have been the health concern. But there were reports that several teams were contacting the Ravens to trade for Gaither. As time lagged along the reports were beginning to suggest that the Ravens were playing hardball, and that they didn't really want to trade Gaither or see him go. There was saber-rattling from the Ravens b/c Gaither was holding out of OTAs.

4) If they are truly contemplating trading him, it's because they can get value for him and the emergence of Oher makes it possible. Of course whether they actually want to trade him is up in the air. Gaither was injured last season (missed 5 games), and the Ravens have also maintained that they would give him a long-term contract if he can prove this season that he can stay healthy and productive.

Of course none of this contradicts the point that when Gaither is healthy and on the field, he's about as productive as any tackle in the game.


Posted by: p1funk | June 9, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd is so dead to me. The dude was a fixture at the No. 2 WR receiver spot for nearly two seasons and totaled 25 catches for about 380 yards and ZERO touchdowns.


In my opinion, he's the worst acquisition in Redskins history.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 9, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Wow Alan...I'd be sh*tting my shorts if I were a Broncos fan...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

In my opinion, he's the worst acquisition in Redskins history.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 9, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Adam Archuletta was pretty bad.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 9, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

In my opinion, he's the worst acquisition in Redskins history.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 9, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Adam Archuletta was pretty bad.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 9, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse


I think it's a tie.

On the one hand, we gave Adam Archuleta the RICHEST CONTRACT for a strong safety ever (at the time).

On the other hand, we actually GAVE UP DRAFT PICKS to get Lloyd.

Which is worse? I don't know - would you rather die a death of a thousand cuts or experience Chinese water torture...

Posted by: p1funk | June 9, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I like to lump Archulleta and B Loyd together as one big bust. One very slow running poor hitting terrible rapping bust.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 9, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

In my opinion, he's the worst acquisition in Redskins history.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 9, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Adam Archuletta was pretty bad.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 9, 2010 11:17 AM


Agreed...AA was out of the starting lineup by midseason and off the roster immediately after the season. His lack of production notwithstanding, Lloyd isn't as big a bust because he at least played mediocre enough to keep a job for two years.

Here's hoping this new era doesn't yield such terrible results...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen this Olympic hurdler, Lolo Jones? A bit skinnier than I like 'em, but damn she's fine...

http://jibi.blog.football365.fr/2008/08/20/jibis-girl-des-jo-numero-2/

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Jeff George was a pretty bad one also, but not to the extent of Lloyd and Arch.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 9, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Lloyd isn't as big a bust because he at least played mediocre enough to keep a job for two years.

Posted by: brownwood26


If catching 25 passes in two seasons is mediocre, then we've really lowered our expectations as Redskins fans.

Dude only started because for a season and a half it made no sense to start two receivers that were under six feet and they gave up draft picks for Lloyd AND ripped up his contract he had with San Fran upon acquiring him. Which was more idiotic than trading for him in the first place. Once they decided that he wasn't worth jam that builds up between your toes, they said 'F it' and started Randle El.

At least Archuleta had a body of work to somewhat kinda sort of justify his contract. What did Lloyd do? Two acrobatic catches?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 9, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

snagm, was it you who had the tix for tomorrow night that you were giving to me, in exchange for me buying you a couple of beers.??

we need to square up where we're meeting before the game and all.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 9, 2010 10:33 AM
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yeah.. meet you at the No Station Boston Globe box (inside the doors).. No prob on the tix.. but, you get to hold my neighbor's leaky one year old who craps as much as the refs do.
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sooo, tomorrow night.. lets see.. the NBA 7 game formula will be...... drum roll..
The same early garbage ghost fouls that Pierce got last night.. will be against either Bryant or Gasol. Guaran-GD-Tee ya. Negate the Lakers Star player.. and stretch it to a profitable seven games.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 9, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Lloyd isn't as big a bust because he at least played mediocre enough to keep a job for two years.

Posted by: brownwood26


If catching 25 passes in two seasons is mediocre, then we've really lowered our expectations as Redskins fans.

Dude only started because for a season and a half it made no sense to start two receivers that were under six feet and they gave up draft picks for Lloyd AND ripped up his contract he had with San Fran upon acquiring him. Which was more idiotic than trading for him in the first place. Once they decided that he wasn't worth jam that builds up between your toes, they said 'F it' and started Randle El.

At least Archuleta had a body of work to somewhat kinda sort of justify his contract. What did Lloyd do? Two acrobatic catches?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 9, 2010 11:45 AM

We certainly agree on this. 25 catches is mediocre? Please, that's just retarded. Only reason dude kept his job for 2 years was because his contract was outrageous and back then we didn't cut high dollar contracts. Dude was a huge bust and a joke.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 9, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

the Brad Johnson for Jeff George Move set this franchise back 5 years.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 9, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Caps Ain't all that at end of the day???

Strasburg debut smashes MASN ratings record
The numbers Stephen Strasburg recorded on the field Tuesday night were amazing. The numbers he recorded on TV were equally so.

Sports Business Journal is reporting that the broadcast on MASN2 -- which isn't on a lot of people's favorites list -- earned a 6.81 rating in the D.C. market. MASN's release says the Nielsen preliminary overnight number was a 7.1 household rating. That's amazing on its own -- more than three times higher than the previous best-rated Nats broadcast in franchise history, and almost 700 percent over the season-to-date average -- but it's even more amazing in a larger D.C. sports context.

I'll just turn to the Capitals, because I have a lot of data handy. The Caps have been incredibly successful in recent years, with the TV audience to match. Six of the team's highest-rated Comcast SportsNet broadcasts happened just this season, and just since January, when the team zoomed to the best record in the entire NHL.

And only one Caps game in CSN history was better rated than Strasmas. Only one. Game 7 against the Canadiens this year. That game earned an 8.1. And the previous best was a 5.8. That means Strasmas smashed scores of Caps playoffs games in the ratings, smashed meetings with the Penguins and win-or-go-home April survival games.

And this for a regular-season game against the Pirates, two sub-.500 teams playing ball in June. Absurd. Ridiculous. Resurdigasagous. Whatever you want to call it.

By Dan Steinberg | June 9, 2010; 10:56 AM ET

What does cL have to say about this?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 9, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

snagm, co-sign, those calls on pierce were just abject failure...agreed on the formula too...6 games good, 7 games best..heck, if Stern could find a way to make this go 9 games, he'd give it a try.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 9, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

At least Archuleta had a body of work to somewhat kinda sort of justify his contract. What did Lloyd do? Two acrobatic catches?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 9, 2010 11:45 AM


Duly noted...the return on the investment was equally bad, but what breaks the tie for me is the fact that Arch was considered such an epic failure that he couldn't even finish the season in the lineup. As bad as Lloyd was, I can't realistically envision a scenario worse than having a $30 million "punt protector"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | June 9, 2010 11:10 AM

I agree that he's not overrated. I was just yanking your chain to the tune of 30 minutes of internet research. Hope you had fun.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 9, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Skins should make a play for Gaither, he'd be an immediate upgrade at RT and could play LT if Williams goes down..I'm all for beefing up the O-line, its the one salient strong suit of Skins championship teams..

" But it took him MONTHS to recover from that KO"

Portis got knocked to Pluto and back, he looked scary as hell on the sidelines after that shot, like he had the eyeballs of a chameleon, going every which way..I still haven't fully recovered from my punk rock trips to the emergency room..If'n you hadn't noticed..

Posted by: frak | June 9, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

the Brad Johnson for Jeff George Move set this franchise back 5 years.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 9, 2010 11:51 AM


Agreed. And what really chaps my ass is that we found out shortly thereafter that our backup in 1999 (Rodney Peete) still had more than enough left in the tank to solidify the QB position even if Brad Johnson went down.

Unbelievably depressing that we can look back on the Norv Era with anything resembling fondness...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

A couple of questions…Ignore the names, right now talent wise who has more ability or upside to improve the team, aside from Moss, TO or any of the other receivers in camp?
Are you satisfied with the receivers we have going into the regular season?

Posted by: campfodder | June 9, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Gotta give BLloyd credit... he somehow keeps impressing coaches on different teams enough to keep getting mentioned as a legit starting WR.

I guess it only becomes a problem when the NFL season schedule gets in the way of his rap career.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 9, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

BLloyd is a beast in practice.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 9, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Gotta give BLloyd credit... he somehow keeps impressing coaches on different teams enough to keep getting mentioned as a legit starting WR.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 9, 2010 11:59 AM


Which is another reason why Arch was the bigger bust...he went to Chicago IN THE SAME DEFENSE HE PLAYED IN ST. LOUIS and STILL sucked. Completely fell outta the league after that. Lloyd--while decidedly mediocre--at least still gets work.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

snagm, co-sign, those calls on pierce were just abject failure...agreed on the formula too...6 games good, 7 games best..heck, if Stern could find a way to make this go 9 games, he'd give it a try.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 9, 2010 11:52 AM
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yep..sux..
speaking of NE stuff.. when will the Skins and Bruce Allen wake up and realize what the Pats quickly determined last year. Galloway is no longer the NFL caliber WR he was at Tampa Bay 4 years ago. Belichick was thrilled when he was released after the 3rd game last year. Couldnt get rid of him fast enough..
Worst part of it, Skins gave up a possible future star in Marko to make space for Galloway.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 9, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Skins gave up a possible future star in Marko to make space for Galloway.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 9, 2010 12:06 PM


I REALLY hope you're kidding with this...joke factor aside, there's really no reason to get the blog going on the ridiculous Marko debate again.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 9, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 9, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

That sucks.. Moving to DC this weekend for a few months and I'm def. going to have to purchase the MLB package.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | June 9, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

4th, you must live in the 'burbs. Comcast in DC has HD channels for both MASN and MASN2 (247 and 844).

Posted by: rbpalmer | June 9, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

BLloyd is a beast in practice.

The NFL's version of Ruben "I shut Kobe down in practice" Patterson.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 9, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Why do people say one more and he's done. Isn't this Portis' 1st concussion? Why would he be done?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 9, 2010 10:57 AM

Yeah, but it was a nasty one. He got it in early Nov. and was not cleared medically to return until MARCH. Even then, he was still wearing the glasses to help with his vision. That's a wicked bash.

A concussion is like bruising your brain. Some bruises are bigger than others. The way he rock n rolls out on the field, I wouldn't be surprised if he has had one or two minors before this. Portis plays big.

So, yeah. One more could probably finish him.

Posted by: edvar | June 9, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Damn Brownwood, you compare me to being a date rapist for KNOWING TO is an azz hat who WE DONT WANT OR NEED.... that's bad enough. Its over the top, and it belies your inability to actually promote your point of view without delving into the realm of the absurd.

But then, you really throw yourself in the "i am really not the best of WR evaluators" pool by actually trying to give BLloyd some sort of props.

Wow. Just wow.

ps. to was on nfl network to convince the weak minded he is just a good guy looking to contribute in any small way that he can. Here's hoping BAMS aren't.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 9, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

From John Clayton's mailbag on ESPN.com:

Q: Now that the Redskins have acquired Trent Williams to solidify the LT position, are there any moves the Skins should be considering in order to further improve their line? They definitely still need help, so would you expect them to sign a free agent like Flozell Adams, or maybe try to trade for Jared Gaither or some other starter on the line?

Adam in Alexandria, Va.

A: While the line still needs work and more talent, there isn't a right tackle out there who makes much sense to sign. The Ravens aren't giving up Gaither for anything less than a second-round pick, so that isn't going to happen. One option would be to take Jammal Brown from the Saints and make him a right tackle, but he wouldn't be coming to Washington under a long-term deal. Adams would only be an insurance policy in case Trent Williams suffers an injury. The key to the line is Williams and how he develops -- along with Donovan McNabb getting the ball off quickly. The Redskins' line got too old two years ago, so it will take time to build it back up.

Posted by: brownwood26

I don't know Gaither individually. But the Ravens OL was good last year. The ?s about him seem to be contract, health and work ethic. Would Danny sign a guy to a big contract -- even with a questionable work ethic?

Here's reality. Our OL is still in bad shape for 2010. We're hopeful Trent Williams is great as a rookie. But he's slated to play an insanely good group of DE's and OLBs this year. Williams is going to need help. But Artis Hicks will probably need his share of help, BMW as well. We know Rabach gets eaten alive by ratliff, among others.

Bottom line, its our OL is going to be overmatched in 2010. Too many holes to plug.

But ...

By bringing in so many vets, Shanahan is showing that "future is now" mentality.

If we want to succeed in 2010, we'll need an upgrade on the OL. Plus, we need to protect the investment made at QB.

If Gaither can pass the question marks (don't know if he can), then he's likely worth the 2nd rounder.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 9, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

p1, Gaither sounds like an all world LT. Can your stats answer a few things: 1)Why didn't the Ravens sign him long term? 2) Why did the Ravens draft a guy to play his position? 3) Why didn't someone sign him based on the tender the Ravens placed on him? 4) Why are the Ravens contemplating trading him?

Just curious.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Because he is lazy and has a 10 cent brain. No one touched him when all the Ravens wanted was a 2nd rounder. The Ravens view him as expendable because they see Oher as the LT of the future.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 9, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

There is another center on washington..edwin williams 3 yr starter at maryland, strong and quick 310lbs 23yrs everything the weakling rabach is not. shanahan should give williams a chance at that position because rabach certainly has NO upside, don't know much about cook other than he is big and young let him and williams battle for center, heyer and rabach were both failures at their positions last season get rid of them. hicks is solid but capers in the future will take the RT spot

Posted by: wathu19 | June 9, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Of course none of this contradicts the point that when Gaither is healthy and on the field, he's about as productive as any tackle in the game.Posted by: p1funk"

I sure haven't seen that. In the football sense, I mean. Ozzie doesn't miss on many linemen, but I think Gaither might be one he thinks he can pawn off on another team for something he really needs.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 9, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

From yesterday's Ravens news:
GAITHER MYSTERIOUSLY ABSENT

OWINGS MILLS, Md. -- One day after reporting to workouts and signing his $2.396 million restricted tender, Baltimore Ravens offensive tackle Jared Gaither was nowhere to be found today.
Gaither had been out with a foot injury ever since May 7 when the team shifted him to right tackle and replaced him with Michael Oher on the left side. Ravens coach John Harbaugh said he didn't know why Gaither wasn't at the voluntary practice today, but indicated it wasn't injury-related. Gaither had a cortisone shot on his foot and had orthotics fitted for his shoe. “He practiced yesterday, did a nice job," Harbaugh said. "Told me the foot felt a lot better, the injection worked. The orthotics made a big difference. I have not seen him today, it was not an injury. So, I have not talked to him today and I don’t know what his reason for not being here is.”

Posted by: Samson151 | June 9, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Rabach has been steady, myself like many were surprised at his seemingly slip in play last year. But the whole line just seemed bad. I don't hear much of anything about Dockery and didn't notice his performance level last year. I like Rabach and wish veteran Skins like him and Dockery were talked to more often.

Posted by: DMcCall2 | June 11, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

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