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Rams Win It at the End, 19-17

Jason La Canfora calls this in:

Special teams play was the big difference, with the Rams getting three long field goals and having decent field position all day. The killer was Marc Bulger's 43-yard pass on third down and 13 from the Rams' 41-yard line to Donnie Avery. He beat nickel cornerback Leigh Torrence in man-to-man coverage down the right sideline.


Rams kicker Josh Brown nailed a 49-yard field goal - his fourth field goal in the game and third of more than 40 yards - as time expired.

By Cindy Boren  |  October 12, 2008; 4:13 PM ET
 
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Comments

Anyone remember how last week most on here were giddy and even talking 7-1???

I warned on Sunday after the game, forget that stuff and take it one game at a time!

To be home and lose to the winless Rams is shameful!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Re-posting...

Yeah, okay, so this team has seen what can happen -- everything possible went wrong, and we lost to a bad team on a last-second FG.

Two very close losses are nothing to panic about, given how good we looked in the four wins that came in between. But they absolutely do need to focus on this next game and win it solidly.

(Also, I think we can stop worrying about being overrated for the rest of the season.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

This is the most pathetic loss in recent Redskins history. They should be ashamed of themselves. They disgraced the entire region today.

Posted by: brian71490 | October 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Did the Skins show their true colors after this game? Maybe their just an inconsistent team that plays to the level of their competition? Who knows. Luckily the season is a marathon, not a sprint. Hopefully, they'll smash Cleveland instead of fooling around and taking a divisional L at home.

Posted by: JinxMan | October 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

SICKENING. How do you lose, at home, to one of the worst teams in the league???

Turnovers. That's how. 4 fumbles. 3 lost. Unbelievable.

Hope this isn't a sign of things to come...

Posted by: chris_rollins2k3 | October 12, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

the punter cost them that win. His short punt in the first quarter led to a field goal after only 29 stl yards and then his bad punt in the 2nd half just gave them 3 points. The average starting field position for stl was ridiculous, and even though our defense was able to stop them, we had such bad field position that our drives fizzled. Yeah we played badly, and turned the ball over, but that was the key.

Posted by: tedunni1 | October 12, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow. The rhetoric here is off the charts. Did some of you guys lose the mortgage payment or something?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

This is the most pathetic loss in recent Redskins history. They should be ashamed of themselves. They disgraced the entire region today.

Posted by: brian71490 | October 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

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Dude, you need to get a grip, seriously. They disgraced the entire region?!? wow...just wow.


Need to stay positive and concentrate on the Browns.

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Portis is a beast, but I felt the play calling was pretty weak and too complacent. Why, WHy, WHY do we always go to prevent defense when we have a lead? That catch by Cooley was incredible, but his fumble hurt us bad - you almost have to feel bad for Kendall, ALMOST...Just need to learn from it and bounce back.

Hail Skins

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Kinda reminds me of a Norv Turner game. They sucked. Good teams are supposed to beat up on bad teams, not play down to them. To lose to those bums in front of 90K at home. They were clearly not ready to play. Conference losses kill you when competing for a wildcard spot at the end of the year.

Posted by: gatorz | October 12, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

YOU SCRATCHED MY CAR!!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 12, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Blame Mike Wise.

He wrote an article this week proclaiming that the Redskins were a playoff team.
Thanks for the jinx!

We looked like a Norv Turner team today.
We're pretenders. Not a playoff team.

Posted by: jgarrisn | October 12, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Ya, I am no band-wagoner, and posted this week asking the skins not to pull a Norv Turner...but they ignored me...the bile is still in my throat on this one, and will be for along time to come. Big headed garbage and a waste of an opportunity. As close as things are in the NFC this could actually ruin us. Panic, no, PATHETIC, yes. Just like the futility of the last 15 plus years. Pull it together, BEAR DOWN lol

Posted by: CADMT | October 12, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Coach Z is giving his take of the game on masn at the mom. Well at least he is much easier to listen to than coach Joe. For us old timers out here we all too well remember how the skins prepare for weak teams. They don't!!. As far back as I can remember that has been the Skins's modus operandi. Makes no difference who's coaching or who owns, it's just something that has always followed this team. It is now re-group time and rip off four more wins. Cheers to all and Hail to the Skins!!!!

Posted by: renaw9 | October 12, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse


++I didnt say he had not played well before. Just that his fumble cost the game.

Posted by: skins1110 | October 12, 2008 4:19 PM++++


And THAT comment alone qualifies you as a moron.

What about the kicking game? Did that have ANYTHING to do with the loss?

The OTHER two turnovers?

Dropped INT's

Bad play-calling?

Halfhearted effort by most of the team until the fourth quarter?

No, it was Kendall's fault. HE cost them the game?

I know you're POed and frustrated, but it's a crappy fan who makes that comment on a blog but would be cheering if Kendall fell on a funble in the end zone to win a game,

Why don't you say it to his face--but first email us where to send the flowers.


Posted by: TheCork | October 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

This loss rests squarely on the wide and unintelligent shoulders of Pete Kendell. The man is a professional football player and he should know, DOES know, that you bat a pass like that down. That was at least a 10 point swing, as we were within field goal range. Instead of being up 10-3 at the half with the momentum, we go into half deflated and losing 10-7. That was an absolutely unacceptable play on his part and he should know that the loss can be traced back directly to his boneheaded play.

Posted by: skireader | October 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Did we try some long balls all game or what? Did we try to exploit their weaknesses on defense? My question I guess would be is springs that essential to our defense to where we can't win without him?

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Damn. Eagles just went up 7-3 on the niners.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 12, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

their average starting positing was the 35 yard line, ours was the 28, if you take out that fumble that gave us the ball at the 3 our average starting position was the 21 yard line. Without even doing anything their offense always had a 14 yard advantage everytime they got the ball.

Posted by: tedunni1 | October 12, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

7 points. There only TD of the game. Courtesy of Pete Kendall

Posted by: skins1110 | October 12, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Even though I didn't see the game, to believe that Kendall lost us the entire game when EVERYONE played like they had hemorrhoids is ridiculous.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

seriously this is a good team..kendell catch was just too hard overcome...that was a 10/14 points swing.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

At some point there were going to be problems - they came in waves in this game. There are just no excuses for losing a home game against the winless and sad sack Rams. Harkens back to the past when you KNEW the team would underperform against an inferior opponent at home. The Skins played tentative and never attacked - and this was the perfect opportunity and was made even better with the injuries in the Ram secondary. The game plan was fatally flawed. Throw in the turnovers and all the elements came together. In reality, the Skins are likely better than they showed against the Giants and not as good as they played against the Cowboys and Eagles. The team wasted another great game by Portis. Now we'll see what Zorn and team have in terms of mental fortitude - they had a perfect opportunity to win a game and build confidence by crushing a weak team and they played down to their level of competition. Looks the teams of old have appeared again.

Posted by: i155133 | October 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

All they talked about on TV was that they had no one to fill in for Rams secondary, take a shot, take a shot - not once did they go for the throat. I do think D. Brooks has got to go, but what really killeed that game for us was the kick off that went out of bounds giving immediate field position - what the F$#K was that.

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry instant reflections:

- I am going to stay positive about liking this team.

- I am going very negative on the fans up here who were saying 7-1, saying we had nothing to improve on, blasting fans who were pointing out teams weaks spots. You all should be ashamed. This league is a battle everyweek, you start counting "W" before you play, your a tool fan.

- Can we now all admit that the continued lack of a pass rush is a huge problem?

- Special teams are atrocious. Brooks is a nightmare.

- Our O-line makes bone head plays/penalties every week in tough spots.

- Portis is straight beast the next mofo who dogs him is a fool. Want to say you'd rather have AP again?????

- Defense was on the field to much today, it showed in the end.

- We can survive this. It is a wake up call. Stop worrying about national media and all this other useless crap and treat every game like its the playoffs. Under the radar baby!

- With a young coach, youngish team, and new regime this loss can be full of lessons. Lets hope they learn'em!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Um, do you mean "their" only TD of the game?

I'm outta here for the day...too much hate over one loss and trying to place all the blame on Kendall, who is really a great member of the team.

Go Cards!

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

This loss rests squarely on the wide and unintelligent shoulders of Pete Kendell. The man is a professional football player and he should know, DOES know, that you bat a pass like that down. That was at least a 10 point swing, as we were within field goal range. Instead of being up 10-3 at the half with the momentum, we go into half deflated and losing 10-7. That was an absolutely unacceptable play on his part and he should know that the loss can be traced back directly to his boneheaded play.

Posted by: skireader | October 12, 2008 4:29 PM

Dude, it was a bad play, but get a grip. Do you know how you would respond in the heat of the moment? Lord have mercy, the Skins will just have to take this L and move on to the Browns.

Some of you all jump off the deep end when there's no water in the pool. It was a bad divisional loss, but chill, it's not the end of the world.

Posted by: JinxMan | October 12, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Like I said: Trap game.

We were outcoached and outplayed.

Posted by: Redskinrex | October 12, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

you can't fault the play-calling. It wasn't his fault for the dropped passes or fumbles, or bad special teams. Either way, we weren't going to go undefeated. I think we'll bunce back. Hope Betts is ok.

Posted by: tedunni1 | October 12, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Suisham's kick out of bounds is why we lost... we had momentum, that gave them position...Fire Danny Smith on special teams and get rid of that stupid punter.

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 12, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

where is strawberry shortcake????? Blache better not have had anything to do with it!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 12, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

One play does not win or lose a game. To blame Kendall is the sign of an unsophisticated viewer. The game lasts 60 minutes.

Posted by: gatorz | October 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

One of the regulars, please try to explain how we didn't go for the deep one. How did our defensive line with taylor not get any pressure on bulger? Was it that Taylor was allowed to play too early or what? So many parts of this game make no sense to me, especially the coaching. How can our coach be thoroughly confused the first game, reel off four awesome games, and then thoroughly lay an egg.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys are losing...and we need better defensive front push to the quarterback

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm out aswell...too much stupid kneejerk reaction...peace!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Dude, it was a bad play, but get a grip. Do you know how you would respond in the heat of the moment? Lord have mercy, the Skins will just have to take this L and move on to the Browns.

Some of you all jump off the deep end when there's no water in the pool. It was a bad divisional loss, but chill, it's not the end of the world.

Posted by: JinxMan | October 12, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't divisional numbnuts.

It doesn't matter how I would respond, I'm not making millions every year to play football. That is a basic rule for all offensive lineman. If there's a fumble you jump on it, if there is a tipped pass you bat it down. You're taught that from peewee and there is no excuse for what he did. If this is the loss that keeps us out of the playoffs you know where to look for blame.

Posted by: skireader | October 12, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

What I wrote in the other post:

First of all, while the loss stings, I wouldn't act like it was the end of the world either.

Several takeaways--no pun intended:

1. The team let their first four wins get to their head. They assumed that they would win this game without a problem. STL has brought them back to the ground.

2. They turned over the ball too much. The Kendall fumble was probably a freak accident, although I still blame him for the loss. He should have just laid on the ground. The result was the difference between victory and defeat. In the coming week it might make sense for Zorn and the O-Line coach to help Kendall out and provide him with extra coaching to improve his skills.

3. The special teams are a disaster. Suisham and the punter are horrible. I'm not a football expert by far, but I think that Zorn's special teams coach probably should consider providing them both with extra coaching and help this upcoming week. Or they should start looking for replacements. I'm not sure what the best course of action (COA) is. However, whatever COA they choose, they need to get on it.

4. The Rams, Lions, and Browns can win games. Each of them is bound to get a win at some point. It just happened that the Rams got their first win against Washington. The Rams's Offensive Coordinator is Al Saunders, so he knew how to beat WAS. That being said, though, WAS should use this game as evidence to take CLE, DET, and CIN seriously. I've seen CIN play NYG and DAL. In both games they were able to hold their own until miscues kept them from winning. DET is just pathetic but they should be able to beat HOU, although they might be winless when WAS comes to see them. CLE is playing NYG tomorrow night.

5. Even though they lost the WAS offense was able to be productive even though they turned the ball over three times. Portis ran for more than 100 yards. The receivers did catch the balls more often than not. But the turnovers are what cost them.

The loss stings a lot, and it is humiliating. But I wouldn't act like it was the end of the world either. This upcoming week should tell us whether Zorn can make the adjustments to get the team past this loss.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 12, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Three cheers for CL!

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 12, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

THIRD DOWN AND THIRTEEN AND LEIGH TORRANCE GIVES UP A FORTY YARD PASS PLAY TO SEAL THE DEAL FOR ST.LOUIS!!NOW lets get a grip ten games to go, we can do this if they stay focused and limit turnovers they are a very good football team this game should be a wake up call to come out and play hard and smart every game.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 12, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

So much for ARZ playing well. They just fumbled.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 12, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

One play does not win or lose a game. To blame Kendall is the sign of an unsophisticated viewer. The game lasts 60 minutes.

Posted by: gatorz | October 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Football games can turn on one play champ. Until the Kendell play the Redskins were not playing well, granted, but they were still in the lead. They could go into the half knowing that they have to play better but that they were the superior team. Instead the Rams are allowed to continue thinking they had a chance and ultimately they took it.

Posted by: skireader | October 12, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

ARZ gets the ball back after DAL fumbles. So I was premature.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

One play can be a huge factor, but how many possessions did the skins have on the game. They had plenty of opportunities to score points and didn't. A playoff caliber team at home should be able to march the field on an 0-5 team at will.

Posted by: gatorz | October 12, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Zorn just stated it was a "protection breakdown, a protection breakdown" read: Jansen. Again, the belief that Jansen is a starting NFL tackle is misguided. He is a liability.

Posted by: tony11 | October 12, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't divisional numbnuts.

It doesn't matter how I would respond, I'm not making millions every year to play football. That is a basic rule for all offensive lineman. If there's a fumble you jump on it, if there is a tipped pass you bat it down. You're taught that from peewee and there is no excuse for what he did. If this is the loss that keeps us out of the playoffs you know where to look for blame.

Posted by: skireader | October 12, 2008 4:38 PM |

Dude, it was an NFC loss, numbnuts, which still counts against them in their push to make the playoffs. Again, Kendall was probably trying to make something happen and the team paid for it, plain and simple. I'm sure the same can be said for Cooley's fumble too. "Stuff" happens.

Some of you all are straight up fairweather fans. The team will just have to Man Up and take this L and move on to the Browns. It's not complicated.

Posted by: JinxMan | October 12, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Because of the need for smoke and mirrors in the secondary with Spring injured ALOT, the D rarely uses corners/safeties to blitz. Frustrating the lack of pressure at key times. It is readily apparent that we were fortunate to win the last four games, but as this game shows, we are no where near the playoffs, dont even mention SB. Zorn is doing a good job but our d and o line need draft love. And I think I can explain the tremendous upset about this loss, IT IS NOT new, we continue to see it no matter who the coach is, the lack of focus is scary. I knew absolutely we would lose today, only took seeing so many dam national sports reports commenting on the skins....crash and burn. 9-7 ahead, barring a miracle...this is based on our talent, or lack of it :(

Posted by: CADMT | October 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

My preliminary analysis...

Yeah...turnovers killed us, but players have to make plays.

Pete Kendall should know better...

LEIGH "Fuc***n" Torrence!!!! You cannot give up that play!!!!! Inexcusable

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

No, I'm not going to get a grip. This was a completely embarrassing loss to the worst team in football.

Posted by: brian71490 | October 12, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Cad!!!!

You're one of those "fairweather" fans. We'll be alright. Go back and sit down somewhere and banish yourself from this blog!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Forget the Kendell play - it was a fluke. What's more worrisome is that the team did not attack and play aggressive. Take the downfield shots - do you really believe that the Rams were able to take Moss out of the game...??? And in the 3rd quarter, why is Zorn calling a pass play on 3rd and 1 when Campbell gets sacked...???

Posted by: i155133 | October 12, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah...special teams was horrible! Durant Brooks must go. They have given him many chances!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 12, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

If fair weather is since Sonny was drinking AND playing, ya...I am not changing my call....9-7 based on talent, 5-5 the rest of way is plausible. If you want roses, go to flowers.com.

Posted by: CADMT | October 12, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Vinny made the call to go with Brooks - at this point in the season, how many quality punters are out there?

Posted by: i155133 | October 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Everyone calling for Brooks' head - I say get him some sports counseling, and fire the special teams coach. This is nuts how bad the entire special teams unit played today. Brooks has the physical ability, he just needs the psychological ability to do it.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Ray's Analysis:

Newspapers, blogs, TV stations everyone was so excited.
Czabon even declaring we WOULD be 7-1, will definitely be in the playoffs.

Folks can't do it!
That was only after 5 games!

Pete Kendall and Leigh Torrence alone cannot be blamed, it was a team effort or lack there of...

Face it, we won 4 consecutive games by a touchdown or less, and never had one turnover.
We could have just as easily lost two of those games...

So where are we? 4-2 and could easily be 3-3.

Keep working and we will see...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have sean landetta's number? kiddin g....kidding....

but if there is anyone, at least bring them in for tryout...Brooks has been a nightmare....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I think Brooks needs to find Jesus, that will fix him. After that he can find Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy. He will be a jack of all trades!

Posted by: skins1110 | October 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

So in summary Brooks needs to go. Had 5 weeks to get right.

Posted by: skins1110 | October 12, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

JesusFreakKaren,
so when your preacher preaches the Word and your congregation goes out the next week and does not live the way they are supposed to, you quickly and simply fire the preacher?

No.

So Karen, the players need to take responsibility for not showing up today and playing w/ intensity.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 12, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The punter has to go. Still very high on this team. I don't they can have this many turnover and mistakes again. I think they'll play a gret game next week. HTTR.

Posted by: TWISI | October 12, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Thnaks for the update....we did not know who won and how...cause Redskins fans never watch the games they just come here

Posted by: leevi98 | October 12, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Not to worry about punter durant brooks. Obama's tax plan and healthcare plan will fix that too. It does everything!

Posted by: gatorz | October 12, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrance gets burned on the pass from Bulger to Avery. Leigh Torrance? What the heck was HE doing in the game in that situation? Next time you need a big defensive play to win a game and you look around to find only Leigh Torrance, call the guy(or woman) who won the free pizza giveaway and let them try to cover, instead. Leigh Torrance? Gimme a break!

Posted by: jazzi1 | October 12, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Defense only gave up 200 net yards today.
so the problem was with the offense who gave us 7 points, then offense gave up 7 points back on the Kendall fumble.

Clearly the lack of intensity and finishing drives lies squarely on the shoulders of the offense.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 12, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

It was a shame to outgain the heck out of those sad sacks, and still lose.

But this is only a wake up call, not the end of the world...At least, I still believe the sun will come up tomorrow.

Stay medium!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 12, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

well, let's see three turnovers and still had a chance. I'll take it.
But losing to a bad team at home in the NFC isn't really acceptable. I guess all the apologists for this team will crucify me yet again for being negative. Who cares? I call 'em as i see 'em. 8-8 was my prediction befoere the season. I'll be so happy to be prove wrong, but it will take proving it.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | October 12, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Derrick Frost avg=44.4 long=65

Durant Brooks avg=39.3 long=60

Posted by: gatorz | October 12, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

The punter stunk, and the Rams spent too much time in the Skins' backfield on passing downs. They decided not to play the run and just go headhunting for Campbell, and it worked.

Why? Because of the many boneheaded self-destructo moments the Skins had when trying to complete drives.

The D played well, teams played like crap (coverage and returns inclusive) and it seems like there's a game of moron hot potato going on in the offense. You don't know who will have the moron moment on any drive, but you know it's coming. Whether it's Jansen picking up his guy, Kendall deciding to run with the ball, Randle El being out of formation, whatever, it's killing the Skins and it has to get fixed.

Is it too late to fire the punter and the horse he rode in on?

Posted by: live1 | October 12, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Imagine going into Dallas and winning
Then imagine going into Philly and winning.
Returning home and losing to a winless Rams team that was ranking near the bottom in several categories....

No way to paint it positively.

All the 1:00 games are finals and yes, all home teams won except one...

But we must learn from it, and come back determined next week to win on the road at Cleveland.

I'm tired; I'm out, good bye everyone.
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 12, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow...some of you should be under suicide watch. This is what happens to a team when they don't take care of the ball.

I've been a Brooks supporter, but he played horribly. He did get a roll that lead to a pin inside the 5 that lead directly to Redskins first TD. He absolutly crushed one, in fact so much that he out kicked the ocverage and the Rams got a long runback. Other than that, he sucked. 2/5 or 2/6 is NOT gonna cut it. He needs to improve, immediately. The only problem i see is that quality punters are not just lying around on the side of the road. So, i think we are kinda stuck with him at this point. Dude, KICK the GD BALL!!!

Perhaps everyone can now see how bad Jansen has become in pass protection. His man crushed JC twice which lead to two turnovers, including the one at the end of the half that was the killer of the game IMO. That was a 14 point swing on that play...from Redskins probable TD to a Rams TD. Also, Zorn had to start keeping TE and extra protection on Jansen side after that. Hopefully, this will put an end to the Heyer v Jansen debate. Giving up free shots at the QB(Jansen) is much much much much much worse than not completely dominating your man in the run game(Heyer). And IMO, Heyer does just fine in that area. Jansen got TORCHED numerous times off the edge. Unacceptable.

On any given Sunday...yeah its a cliche, and like most cliches, its totally true. Not many NFL teams can survive a 4 turnover day and win. Certainly not the Redskins. Give them credit, offesne drove for the go ahead TD, and they battled hard all day. WTF is Leigh Torrence in the game at that spot? Very frustrating loss. On to the Browns.

Lets go Cardinals, Browns (this week) and 49ers.

HAIL!

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 12, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and stay the heck medium...

Posted by: live1 | October 12, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said in his presser that we will either bring in a punter to compete or try to QUICKLY develop the one we have.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 12, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

just a sad game, reminds me of the titans game a couple of years back - when they were 0-5. either way skins should cut the punter. he is horrible and could cost the skins a playoff birth

Posted by: skinsfan9000 | October 12, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Again this loss isn't the end of the world. Yes it's upsetting and embarrassing, but it's not the end of the season. I wouldn't get so pessimistic quite yet.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 12, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Kendall said his first thought was to knock it down; then thought it would be called a fumble because he held it too long; then decided to advance it because he wanted to get team in FG range - "Believe me, I had no delusions of grandeur." Said he knew exactly what he was supposed to do (bat it down) but caught it and was stuck in a totally foreign situation. Put loss on his shoulders.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 12, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

games wil continue to come down to the last minute and special teams can be the key - cut the punter!

Posted by: skinsfan9000 | October 12, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Alright can we agree on 3 things here:

1) This was a trap game, and it got us.

2) Fed Ex field is a BAD home stadium.

3) We shoulda stuck w/ Frosty.

I shouldn't have to elaborate, but if anyone needs me to, I will...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 12, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

But we must learn from it, and come back determined next week to win on the road at Cleveland.

I'm tired; I'm out, good bye everyone.
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 12, 2008 5:06 PM


Ray, if you're still around, it's a home game next week.

Agree that this is one to learn from. Nothing else you can do (nothing else productive, anyway). It's a wake-up call. Hope our guys woke up.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I'll be one of the few (only?) to see some silver linings in this.

First, the Rams did not play like a winless, incompetent team. Steven Jackson is a tough runner and Bulger is a good QB. Their defense did a good job with their pass rush schemes and our guys were covered well. They hit hard. We didn't lose to a schlock team, despite their record coming in. This was a motivated team with a new coach coming off a bye week, ready to rock.

Second, we made a bunch of mistakes. Kendall's is the most obvious. 2 dropped INT opportunities and 2 other lost fumbles. Plus more penalty problems, like we've seen already. Special teams were a major problem, yet again.

Bulger's long pass at the end was a lucky play where the WR made a terrific move to catch the ball.

All in all, the Skins played a fair game, had a couple unusual/unlucky breaks and lost.

This is still a good Skins team and is capable of beating any team in the league. If someone had told me before the season we'd be 4-2 at this point, I'd have been good with that. We are, and I am.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Cards still up 7-0 over Girls.

Philly just kicked a FG to go up 17-6.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

From an earlier post:

Damn it!!!!!!! I am so p'd off!@!! Good teams do NOT lose at home to the effing Rams!~!~!!!!! At HOME!!@!! 3 turnovers.... penalties all over the place... you just don't do this. You do NOT lose at HOME!!!!!!!!!!! You do NOT LOSE AT HOME TO THE GOD DAMN RAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is what I've come to expect from the Redskins after nearly two decades of misery.... they win....they tease.... and then they lose to THE EFFING RAMS AT HOME!!!!!! And it's pathetic to waste such a great rushing effort - we DOMINATED the game.... all damn day.... a few turnovers and that's all she wrote. This can not stand.... this is sad....pathetic.... the Rams #2 draft pick catches the big one end of the game.... what's our #2 draft pickS do? NOTHING!@!!!! God DAMN IT!@!!!!!!! You DO NOT LOSE AT HOME!!!!!!! FU#K!!!!!!

Posted by: egrib | October 12, 2008 4:19 PM


I'm sorry, egrib, but what's your point?

Posted by: Peaux_Sucent | October 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Cardinals score a TD in AZ after they sack Tony Romo. AZ is up 14-0 now.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

RR - are you talking about the head coach or ST coach? You have to admit, our ST all the way around is messed up, and it was never spectacular. Today everyone did badly, but I'm just surprised how the coaching was also apparently horrid. How do you not try to go for a bunch of deep ones when they have no corners? Even if you play two TE sets giving the line more help, someone has to get open. It's great that we have an awesome run game, but when the secondary is the weakness of the opposing defense, you have to try to throw it down their throats. I'm in no way saying dump Zorn, because he's been great. I just don't understand what happened all around.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Cards sack Romo in the end zone, he fumbles, Cards recover for TD!

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Another silver lining - Romo sucks. TD Cards!! I think.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

It looks like a TD because Romo didn't let go of the ball and tucked it back in. He was doing a pump fake, but the refs never cease to amaze me. I think it is a TD, but look for it to be overturned.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 12, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

TD reversed.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 12, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

No interest in making an intelligent comment here; just furious at the loss. No amount of drinking is going to help me forget this one...

Posted by: AppleScience | October 12, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

1- I really want to leave, but good grief, it was not a trap game.
A trap game is when you have two good teams as bookends and a poor one in the middle.

If it had been Dallas > Rams > Giants
then you would be correct to say the Rams game would be a trap game.

2- Fed Ex is a good home field, are you crazy? The offense just stunk today, and special teams had their bad moments as well.

3- Not really to fair we should have stayed w/ Frosty. He stunk it up many times last year and everyone from the FO to us, knew it. Brooks had a great game vs. Dallas, and time will tell...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 12, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

2) Fed Ex field is a BAD home stadium.
Posted by: DikShuttle | October 12, 2008 5:13 PM |
Wow. DIK. I want to call you so many names right now. Just got home from the game. I am assuming you mean the aura, the fact that its in Maryland and that curses it? But if you mean crowd noise and what the fans do to create an atmosphere. Then simply, you are an idiot. I will not post on the matter again. The location has nothing to do with the sloppy play... That place was as loud as any I've been to. Including RFK, The Meadowlands, Dolphin Stadium, etc.

Posted by: Club320 | October 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey freak!

thanks for correcting me...

I need a break, I'm really out for awhile.

Wonder what Czabon will have to say tomorrow

HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 12, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

And everyone, Stay Medium. 4-2. Gotta clean it up, focus on Cleveland...

Posted by: Club320 | October 12, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Pete Kendall has more touches this year than Fred Davis.

Posted by: gatorz | October 12, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Dallas scores in Arizona. Yep--it could very well turn out to be that type of day.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 12, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

And yet it does get worse because Arizona just muffed the kickoff.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 12, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

SF kicked 53-yard FG. Now 17-9 Philly.

Dallas recovers muffed KO.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

DAL missed the FG. Maybe there is still hope.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Quoting the NFL.com game tracker:

D.Akers 54 yard field goal is BLOCKED, Center-46-J.Dorenbos, Holder-6-S.Rocca, RECOVERED by SF-30-D.Strickland at PHI 41. 30-D.Strickland for 41 yards, TOUCHDOWN.


Philly 17, SF 16 at halftime.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 12, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

They just need to bounce back from this one. The D continues to play well. Rogers had another strong week. 4-2 I am sure is better than most of thought this team would be after G Men game.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 12, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

You win and lose games as a team. We lost this one as a team in all phases.

Jim Zorn- too conservative play calling. We should have lit it up against a depleted secondary and they lost someone in the game. How many times did we go deep??

Offense- turnovers. Pete Kendall, you should know better....knock the ball the down, it is an incomplete pass and the clock stops.

Special teams: Maybe we should have kept Frosty instead??? Punting sucked. Let's get ourselves an Australian punter....Dallas' punter is avg over 50 yds/kick.

Defense- gives up big play to set up FG

Hopefully they learn from this game...all of them.

Posted by: candyangle | October 12, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 12, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

And everything is going against ARZ right now. They almost recovered a fumble but didn't. Watch this game slip away from them.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I can't remember where I was more disheartened from a loss. No way did I see see this coming. Good teams Do Not Lose these type of games especially after coming off of two unexpected division road wins. "Staying Medium" sounds like 8-8 to me.

Posted by: pudsmoke | October 12, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I can see ain't a darn thing changed out here.

Posted by: lilagram | October 12, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I can't remember where I was more disheartened from a loss... "Staying Medium" sounds like 8-8 to me.
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Staying medium is not getting too high or too low.

You see, I've drunk the kool-aid.

Posted by: live1 | October 12, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Philly obliterated the 49ers - they took care of business. They also destroyed the Rams. Arizona is imploding against Dallas. The Skins will miss this game when the season is over - they needed to build momentum by crushing a vastly inferior team. Just like what Philly did today without their playmakers. The D was exposed for what it lacks - pass rush and spotty secondary. And it was exposed by the WORST team in the NFL. That's not a good indicator of things to come. Portis had a huge day, but Zorn did not challenge the Rams secondary. Looks like the school of Andy Reid playcalling. It's one thing to lose a close game when the teams are evenlt matched - but at home against a far inferior opponent - there are NO EXCUSES. It's infuriating to listen to people making six and seven figure incomes to play a game offer excuses and shrug if off. They'll still pick up their gamechecks tomorrow, win or lose. These are not the traits of a championship team, much less a playoff team. Years ago the Skins, who were building a good start, lost a home game against a hapless Rams team in the waning moments because Amp Lee got free in the secondary for a miracle catch. Fast forward to today. Same stadium, same teams, different coaches, same situation in the standings - same outcome. Any team in the league now will come into FedEx field believing they can win - no matter how sorry and no account. Something deep seated and perverse has rooted itself in this team's culture and has not been able to be reversed. This team needs an enema.

Posted by: i155133 | October 12, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I will say it again, we need to FIRE Danny Smith the special teams coach. Our coverage sucks, our kickers suck and he sucks. FIRE DANNY SMITH, we constantly have special teams issues...It would have been nice to see us throw the ball downfield in the AIR more than 30-40 yards a couple of times a game. Campbell has a cannon and S. Moss and D. Thomas are pretty damn quick. We are fooling ourselves if we think Randle El is a true #2 receiver, more importantly he is the worst punt returner in the league. Stick the rookie back there D. Thomas or find someone. How are so many teams in this league throwing down the field on the Rams, everyone - but us, we dont even try. It is like Zorn doesnt trust him with them long ball??????

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 12, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

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