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Rate Dockery's Impact on Skins' Offensive Line

The Redskins brought back Derrick Dockery in an attempt to shore up an offensive line that struggled during last season's second-half collapse. How well he succeeds will be one of the factors that determine the success of Jason Campbell, Clinton Portis and the Skins' offense in a rugged division.

By Cindy Boren  |  May 13, 2009; 8:55 AM ET
 
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Dock's good.

Better question: will Thomas be there all season and is there a reliable back up if he's not?

Don't think so in both regards.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 13, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

What's good in da hood today?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

What is everyone having for breakfast this am? i think it is a more interesting question than the OL stuff. Haven't we beat this dead horse already?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Dockery replacing Kendall was an solution in search of a problem, not an upgrade. Thomas and Jansen are in worse condition than Samuels or Kendall.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I had a green bagel which I hope to Sean Taylor wasn't left over from St. Patrick's day...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I didn't realize anything referencing Death Cab for Cutie would be NSFW!! lol.

Is that where the band got it's name? How frekkin' random is THAT?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 12, 2009 2:19 PM ============================================

That's it, Mr. Shuttle.

How about Hunting Tigers?

P.S. I hope the O.L. is better than 4th this year, but there's little evidence to support the idea that our collection of old dudes will be any more injury-free this year than last.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 13, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I had sliced strawberries on rice krispies. mmmmmhhh yummy

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

This is gonna be bad....

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 13, 2009 8:03 AM

No, what's sad is that you get your information from Fox News. That's your first mistake...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 13, 2009 8:32 AM

This place is so predictable. All you have to do is mention "Fox News" on RI and someone from the Thought Police -- today's Brownwood's turn -- pops up not to comment on the item but to heap self-righteous contempt and scorn on anyone who would even read Fox News.

I think it might be time to change my handle again. How does Fox_News sound?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I got all drunk last night and drew a tat just like Mike tyson's on my face in permanent black marker. My GF was NOT happy with me (shrugs shoulders)

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Dock may be a Contract Year player..
Allegedly phoned it in last year when the Bills OLine gave up 38 sacks..
If true, hope the Skins signed to a one year deal...

From Buffalo Chronicle..

ORCHARD PARK — The Buffalo Bills pretty much admitted to making a colossal free-agent blunder Thursday when they waived left guard Derrick Dockery, who in 2007 received what was then the richest contract in team history.

With the free agency signing period beginning at 12:01 this morning, the Bills can only hope that whatever moves they make turn out better than the Dockery debacle.

Dockery signed a seven-year, $49 million blockbuster, a deal that was thought to be overly lucrative for a player who hadn't even been voted into a Pro Bowl during his first four years in the NFL with Washington.

As it turned out, the skeptics were right.

After a decent 2007 season, Dockery's performance slid noticeably in 2008 and the Bills made the decision on Thursday to eat a $5.4 million salary cap hit (he would have cost $5.85 million had he stayed with the team), which in turn enabled them to avoid paying Dockery a $1.75 million roster bonus due in a few weeks.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

fair and balanced

Posted by: connskins | May 13, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

nice job hail....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Fox News!! Fox News!!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

My GF was NOT happy with me (shrugs shoulders)

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 9:39 AM

Next time put the tat on her face so she'll know how good it feels.

Posted by: Fox_News | May 13, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Greg. I get bored easily. Too easily

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

My GF was NOT happy with me (shrugs shoulders)

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 9:39 AM

Next time put the tat on her face so she'll know how good it feels.

Posted by: Fox_News | May 13, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

That would be signing my death certificate. But I would go out laughing!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

That would be signing my death certificate. But I would go out laughing!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 9:47 AM |

You should, at least, get someone who's good with PhotoShop to put the tat on her picture so she'll know how hot she would look.

Posted by: Fox_News | May 13, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

lmao - looks like were off to a good start... or just off. yeah, we're off.

awesomr.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Oops. Fire exit drill here in the building. Fortunately, I'm only on the fourth floor. Please talk among yourselves until I get back.

Posted by: Fox_News | May 13, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

start yelling that you smell smoke....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

start yelling that you smell smoke....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

LOL, yeah crawling on the ground yelling STOP, DROP & ROLL!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I believe Dockery is an upgrade and not a contract year player because we run more traps and dockery should be able to pull more times in a game........

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

vs. Kendell that is...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Dwight: Back to our options. Jeez! Ok! settle down everyone. No bunching!
Phyllis: Oh! I forgot my purse.
Stanley: Leave it woman!
Michael: Get out of the way! Go, go, go!
Dwight: Things can be replaced, Phyllis! People, human lives, however, can...
Oscar: Ah! My hand! That's hot!
Andy: Aah! This ones hot too!
Michael: Okay, we're trapped. Everyone for himself.
Dwight: Okay, let's go.
Everyone: [shouting] Out of my way! Let's go. Get out of my way!
Dwight: Calm, please
Andy: Get out of the way!
Dwight: Have you ever seen a burn victim?
Andy: Move it!
Dwight: Okay! Procedure, procedure. Exit options. Where do we go folks? Wha-- Use a what to cover the mouth?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

lmao

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Hope Fox news has this story covered. They are so fair & balanced.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The addition of Dock will not make or break this line. Its whether the apparent gambles at right tackle (Williams, Bridges, and Heyer) work out.

As far as this Fox news debate is concerned, its pretty obvious that the channel has a pro-republican, anti-Obama bias with the support and sponsorship of the bogus tea-bagging parties as well as the use of commentators who call the President a socialist one day, then a fascist another.

If you subscribe to that manner of thinking (i.e. I just hate the Prez and want someone else to say it for me) then be thankful you live in America and have an outlet.

However if you consider yourself a fair-minded person and you only get your news from FNC, then you're delusional.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 13, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Fox News Ahhh Haaa Haaa Haaa Haaa Haa Ha

Fair and Balanced ? Ahhh Haaa Haaa Haaa Haa Haa Haa Ha

Good times I tell ya, Good times

Posted by: slipperyrichard | May 13, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Dwight: How about 911? Anyone? 911. [Michael throws a chair at the window, Kevin smashes a chair through the vending machine and begins to grab snacks, everyone is shouting.]
Pam: What do we do?
Dwight: Use the surge of fear and adrenaline to sharpen your decision-making.
Jim: Okay, I am not dying here. Come on. [everyone is coughing from the smoke, Dwight lights some fire crackers and they start popping]
Angela: What is that? What is that?
Andy: The fire's shooting at us!
Phyllis: What in the name of God is going on?!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

ok, i'm going to jump on JLC bashing wagon here. He said "How well he succeeds...". Isn't this an oximoron? If you succeed, you succeed. You can't succeed well or bad just like you can't fail successfuly or succeed and fail.

He really needs someone to edit his writing.

Posted by: thor2 | May 13, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Kevin = Hail grab the Doritos fool and Carrot cake if it's in there.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

thor2:
This was posted by Cindy.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

An upgrade is when you take the weakest links and improve them with something measurably stronger. In this case, you are replacing the second-best lineman with someone who had a significantly worse season, while ignoring the fact that 60% of the line was weaker; no improvements there. Any hopes fhe line, like the receivers, are on cast-offs or previously marginal players suddenly turning into starters. It's happened before, but don't bet the ranch on it happening here.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | May 13, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Fox News!! Fox News!!

Posted by: Hail2theChief

Oxymoron!! Oxymoron!!

Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I think Im most excited to overhaul the line next season. We draft a RT at #22, a C in the 2nd round, sign a RG in FA, and use the rest of our picks on assorted lineman hoping a couple stick.

Likely? Probably not.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 13, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Having dry french bread dipped in Johnny Walker Black

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 13, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

How about this, if you want to comment on a news story you must back up with sources from 2 different sources with different corporate ownership. Along with 1 non US source. 1 opposing POV source and 1 blogger opinion piece.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Fox News is Fox News because there were too many liberal media outlets and Rupert Murdoch saw a great money maker in 'conservative' news channel.

Actually, I think Fox news is better than what MSNBC is currently running. I never could get on that Rachael Madow love affair band wagon. And I hopped off of Olberman's wagon well over a year ago. Olberman = Hanity IMHO because they both turn me off in the same way. And why is he on NBC's NFL coverage team?

One of my favorite shows is that Huckabee Show. Now that is a guy who gets it. Maybe he should have ran for president.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

If these stupid online surveys are designed to be to be the salvation of the newspaper Industry, it is already a Dead Man Walking.

Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I saw skinsneedagm say it but Dockery is not a beast. He is a contract year player who let up the MOST sacks out of any starting left guard last year, if memory serves correct almost twice as many as pete kendall!!! how is this the solution to our aging o-line that can't give campbell the time of day to be mmm mmm good?

Posted by: goskins22 | May 13, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

How about this, if you want to comment on a news story you must back up with sources from 2 different sources with different corporate ownership. Along with 1 non US source. 1 opposing POV source and 1 blogger opinion piece.


Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

uh, WTF?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

One thing I will give Olberman some credit for, (and this is a rarity) is that I have seen him do random guest spots on shows like "E's Soup" and he can make fun of himself.

The thing that drives me nuts about all the opinion shows, right and left, is where they take themselves seriously, they don't realize that they are no more then Stewart and Colbert.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Cork lose the negativity bro...Were having a good time following the beantown greg drama

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Fox News is Fox News because there were too many liberal media outlets and Rupert Murdoch saw a great money maker in 'conservative' news channel...

One of my favorite shows is that Huckabee Show. Now that is a guy who gets it. Maybe he should have ran for president.....

Posted by: 4thFloor |

Maybe he "should have ran"? for President.

I think what Fox News has shown is people unable to think for themselves, in need of scapegoats for their own shortcomings and failures, need an outlet to be reminded that it's always somebody else's fault. The government. The minorities. The Liberals. The enemy.

You're kinda right about Ruppert Murddock. He believes in the Conservative tripe served up on his hatemongering network about as much as he believes in the intellect of the topless honeys he put on his London Tabs. It earns him money. He loves money and power. End of story.

Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Its called Satire H2tC. The use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Actually, FNC and MSNBC use the exact same approach, just from different angles. Both have prime time schedules filled with blubbering blowholes who hawk their partisan wares for anyone ignorant to buy them. But the bottom line is both are toeing their respective party lines.

I watch CNN myself, but I prefer to get as much news from print sources as possible - and the BBC.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | May 13, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"Haven't we beat this dead horse already?
Posted by: Hail2theChief:

Apparently it was only mostly nearly dead.

Perhaps a house could fall on it...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 13, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Alex,

even worse! There is nobody at WaPo to post intelligent posts.

Posted by: thor2 | May 13, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I highly doubt any of you were watching Bills games last year. The offense changed.

Jason Peters the LT right next to him, was on the SAME terrible line. He was traded for a 1st rounder to Philly and signed a $10 Mil per year contract. So, why would Philly make him the highest paid lineman and give up a 1st rounder for such a terrible player?

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Olberman is a baseball encyclopedia. I don't care for his news coverage but have to respect his knowledge.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Cork lose the negativity bro...Were having a good time following the beantown greg drama

Posted by: Hail2theChief |

Yeah, sure, Hail. Your wish is my command. I thinkt eh redskins wn teh Superbowl this year, Dan Snyder is voted owner of the year, and Vinny cerrato exec of the year.

Devin Thomas? 83 balls for 1250 yards and hte probowl.

Jason Campbell? 4,000 yards and re-signed.

Mike Wlliams. 345 pounds of blocking might.

Orakpo? Rhymes with ROY

Nationals win!!! Nationals win!!!

That's enought for now. I'me exhausted.


Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Its called Satire H2tC. The use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.


Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

uh, I repeat WTF. You know this is a comment section on a sports blog right dawg? Come on bro, no one pst anything on here that is true. It's just to get other riled up or to have a laugh, nothing serious.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Ok - drop the pol bs. Two sides of the same coin fighting it out. Pathetic.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

What is everyone having for breakfast this am? i think it is a more interesting question than the OL stuff. Haven't we beat this dead horse already?

Posted by: Hail2theChief |

Lose the negativity, bro.

Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Cork your efforts are appreciated!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I like resigning Dockery. But, I am more concerned is whether the Redskins will have a performance based approach this year.

I think our greatest downfall with the Offensive line is staying with starters who are making mistakes and not producing. You have to let the line know that performance is the key and the backup will be in the game in a hot second when mistakes are made.

It doesn't necessarily mean you lose your job, but it will upgrade the line play and the competition to keep and win a job.

When you roll the down the field into the Redzone, or a critical 1st down play and a lineman jumps, or makes a critical mistake, then he is outa there for next play. This will create mental toughness and concentration.

Also, by default it will also help keep your lineman fresher when you sub them for performance, or gametime situations, especially if one lineman is a better pass blocker or run blocker.

Samuels, though one of our best lineman, should never have been allowed to play hurt for most of the season. If he was nicked up then his sub should have been subbing and sharing the load.

I have seen competitive Teams that do this and it adds to Team effectiveness. Continuity can be gained by effective substitution also and not always by having the same guy penciled in just because he is quote the starter.

So bring the bodies in and the crew we end up with all should be a part of the Gameplan.

You can never develop depth if you only play your starters and only take them out for injury.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 13, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

CNN is a wannabe FNC but always ends up very similar to MSNBC at the end of the day.

And there are quite a few minorities that appear on FNC as talking heads. WAAAAY more then the liberal MSNBC. And everyone blames everyone on these channels. Thet are the same thing. No difference at all between the 3....

Get good looking young caucassian females to host or get middle aged caucassian male who looks intelligent to host or get old caucassian male who looks experinced to host.

That bill fits 98% of all of their hosts.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Oh, were the Fox comments directed at the Buffalo area article? Missed that.

That definitely sounded like the Bills trying to sugar-coat their inability to keep Dock.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Is JLC on vacation?

Looks like the last 10 posts or so have been put up by Boren, Reid, Carpenter, and Tenorio.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | May 13, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I think what Fox News has shown is people unable to think for themselves, in need of scapegoats for their own shortcomings and failures, need an outlet to be reminded that it's always somebody else's fault.

Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009 10:32 AM

I thought that Brownwood had Thought Patrol duty today, Cork. You don't think his work is adequate, or what?

Posted by: Fox_News | May 13, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

What is everyone having for breakfast this am? i think it is a more interesting question than the OL stuff. Haven't we beat this dead horse already?

Posted by: Hail2theChief |

Lose the negativity, bro.

Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

No negativity there. Just pointing out the obvious.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Fox News!! Fox News!!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Veronica Corningstone: My God, what is that smell? Oh.
Brian Fantana: That's the smell of desire my lady.
Veronica Corningstone: God no, it smells like, like a used diaper... filled with... Indian food. Oh, excuse me.
Brian Fantana: You know, desire smells like that to some people
Garth Holliday: What is that? Smells like a turd covered in burnt hair.
News Station Employee: Smells like Bigfoot's d*ck.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

When you roll the down the field into the Redzone, or a critical 1st down play and a lineman jumps, or makes a critical mistake, then he is outa there for next play. This will create mental toughness and concentration


this actually does the opposite and causes more mistakes because the players will be worried if they make a mistake they will get pulled instead of concentrating on their assignments

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 13, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Who will get signed by an NFL team first, Michael Vick or Adam Jones?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | May 13, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Dude is huge. And from what the coaches say, in the best shape of his life. Cut and defined rather than just a wide body. He's been a strong physical specimen. A set back real or perceived in Buffalo could be a good thing. He's still in his peak years and mature enough to hopefully become a pro-bowler.

He has the size and physiche to play tackle. Not sure about natural quickness but if Jansen has lost a step due to age and the ankle Dockery comes to my mind. Bridges was listed as a guard and below Kendall of available free-agents. He's 6'4".

The Giants have 6'8", 7,7,6,6,5,5,5" in their roster for tackle. And they were the smallest in the NFC East. They picked up William Beatty at an athletic 6'6" with the Jason Taylor draft pick I wanted back. Without any need at the position. I'm pretty sure Philly and Dallas had 6'8" behemoths at Tackle. But the Giants started 6'5" and 6'6" and their top 3 rushers averaged more than 5 yards a carry. Two.... Two 1000 yd. rushers! I like a Brandon Jacobs type RB but he's so big that defenses know where he's going.

You see Portis draging on the back of Sellers' jersey or Gibbs running Counter Treys, it shows the extent the Skins are willing to go to have a strong run game. But I think Portis is like a stout Barry Sanders making the line look good. Philly made a trade to upgrade their line and all three had like triple or quadruple the picks compared to the Skins in the draft.

Even if your optimistic and the Skins do have a good year they could still have the 4th ranked line in the East.

Posted by: chavez66 | May 13, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

If these stupid online surveys are designed to be to be the salvation of the newspaper Industry, it is already a Dead Man Walking.

Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009 10:25 AM

It's 2009 and Cork needs "online surveys" to realize that the newspaper industry is dead? Hey, Cork, there was a story about this two years ago on Fox News. Only two people who didn't watch it were you and Rupert Murdoch.

I think they love the "online surveys" because it increases the number of clicks and the ad revenue.

Posted by: Fox_News | May 13, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Can we drop the L v R arguing puhleeze?

It's all the same BS manipulated by whatever backer is trying to control it at the minute. You all know this yet you try to point out your's is better. It's not. They both are completely and utterly biased. That's the game.

...I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

uh, I repeat WTF. You know this is a comment section on a sports blog right dawg? Come on bro, no one pst anything on here that is true. It's just to get other riled up or to have a laugh, nothing serious.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

The late 90's High School Stoners and Jocks called they want your lexicon back. :)

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Brick Tamland: I ate burnt hair and a candle

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

...I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore...

Posted by: DikShuttle

Still one of the greatest movies ever made on the issues of corporate media. Watched it a few months ago and its 100% relevant still.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Can we drop the L v R arguing puhleeze?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 10:49 AM

You spelled his name wrong, Dik. But, yeah, I thought we had enough LaVaR yesterday to last for a while. Today is Antonio Pierce day. Greg, how do you feel about the 'Skins letting Pierce get away? And, what about the second round pick we threw in when we traded for Portis?

Posted by: Fox_News | May 13, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

FNC = Sween or TE

You have officially been outed...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Brian Fantana: [about Veronica] I'll give this little cookie an hour before we're doing the no-pants dance. Time to musk up.
[opens cologne cabinet]
Ron Burgundy: Wow. Never ceases to amaze me. What cologne you gonna go with? London Gentleman, or wait. No, no, no. Hold on. Blackbeard's Delight.
Brian Fantana: No, she gets a special cologne... It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
Ron Burgundy: It's quite pungent.
Brian Fantana: Oh yeah.
Ron Burgundy: It's a formidable scent... It stings the nostrils. In a good way.
Brian Fantana: Yep.
Ron Burgundy: Brian, I'm gonna be honest with you, that smells like pure gasoline.
Brian Fantana: They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
[cheesy grin]
Ron Burgundy: That doesn't make sense.
Brian Fantana: Well... Let's go see if we can make this little kitty purr.
[snarls]

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 13, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

4th I thought it was either TE or TT11. I remember TE loved being many peeps in the RI Golden Age.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

uh, I repeat WTF. You know this is a comment section on a sports blog right dawg? Come on bro, no one pst anything on here that is true. It's just to get other riled up or to have a laugh, nothing serious.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

The late 90's High School Stoners and Jocks called they want your lexicon back. :)

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

uh, I repeat WTF. You know this is a comment section on a sports blog right dawg? Come on bro, no one pst anything on here that is true. It's just to get other riled up or to have a laugh, nothing serious.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

The late 90's High School Stoners and Jocks called they want your lexicon back. :)

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Sweet Lincoln's mullet.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I killed a man with a trident!

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The late 90's High School Stoners and Jocks called they want your lexicon back. :)

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

don't hate :)

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Sweet Lincoln's mullet.

Now that is FUNNY!

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

True, could be TT11....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

By the hand of St. Joe I command thy blog to communicate some relevant news regarding the redskins.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Can we drop the L v R arguing puhleeze?

It's all the same BS manipulated by whatever backer is trying to control it at the minute. You all know this yet you try to point out your's is better. It's not. They both are completely and utterly biased. That's the game.

...I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore...

Posted by: DikShuttle"

Left Vs. Right is like mind control designed by the government to keep the simple minded Americans from actually realizing we're getting screwed by all of 'em. They're all in it together. They make simple minded Americans fight over "Pro Life" and abortion, or gay marriage, while ignoring all the real issues of America.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 13, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Actually, FNC and MSNBC use the exact same approach, just from different angles. Both have prime time schedules filled with blubbering blowholes who hawk their partisan wares for anyone ignorant to buy them. But the bottom line is both are toeing their respective party lines.

I watch CNN myself, but I prefer to get as much news from print sources as possible - and the BBC.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

MSNBC and Fox hardly use the "exact same" approach. Where is the MNBC 'exact" equivalent of "Fox & Friends? Or Jerry Rivers?

Are you actually trying to compare the intellect of Maddow and Olbermann to, oh I dunno, Sean Hannity? That's like comparing a law book to a comic book.

Oh, and CNN (except international) will turn your brain to mush.

24/7 "news" is an embarrassment to journalistic principles these days.

PBS still comes through, like the Frontline special on Maddoff last night. The Beeb does good work.

But I like your alliteration: "Blubbering blowholes." Can I get that in a T-shirt?

Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

lmao the blog is on FIRE!

And how coincidental that LaVaR is so similar to expressing L(eft)V(s)R(ight)... what is that.. a palindrome? a haiku? someones gotta know what that is...

... its a ragga, I think...

.. you're a naughty one, Saucy Jack. You're a haughty one... s...

[:-|

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

By the hand of St. Joe I command thy blog to communicate some relevant news regarding the redskins.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I think it might be time to change my handle again. How does Fox_News sound?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 9:33 AM |

I'm giving it a try. Like when Nate went "HeNateMe" for a day. Maybe "Fair&Balanced" would be a more accurate description of my temperment, though.

And, 4th, flattered that you thought I could be Sween. TT11, not so sure about.

Posted by: Fox_News | May 13, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Left Vs. Right is like mind control designed by the government to keep the simple minded Americans from actually realizing we're getting screwed by all of 'em. They're all in it together. They make simple minded Americans fight over "Pro Life" and abortion, or gay marriage, while ignoring all the real issues of America.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 13, 2009 11:03 AM


That is the best post ever from the Truth. YOU FINALLY HAVE LIVED UP TO YOUR NAME. Comgrats......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya, Truth.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I was the one who started the TT11. And mostly because he brought up some stuff from Fox-News on the last thread... But your talking mannerisms made it clear that it was you.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Everyone knows The Onion is the only source of real news anyway.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Who is up for celebrating 3 Martin Wednesday.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Stupid spell check. Martini*

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"Left Vs. Right is like mind control designed by the government to keep the simple minded Americans from actually realizing we're getting screwed by all of 'em. They're all in it together. They make simple minded Americans fight over "Pro Life" and abortion, or gay marriage, while ignoring all the real issues of America.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 13, 2009 11:03 AM"

That's interesting, because that's exactly the way I'd assume a "simple-minded American" would think. Everybody's terrible, nobody wins, we're all doomed, they're all corrupt, and no matter what happens, they'll never be good enough for me. Keeps those "simple-minded Americans" from actually having to form an intuitive thought. When in doubt, blame everybody.

Posted by: psps23 | May 13, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

The more I look at that poll the less it makes sense. May as well be polling if the TE we took in the 2nd day of the draft will be more or less useless then Anthony "Sex with a 15 year old in the car" Mix.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Wow - we went from good comedy to a Civics lesson.... Noam Chomsky, y'all ain't.

Really getting boring, kids. About to change the channel.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Martinis sound PERFECT, Al - whutru drinkin?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Dockery adds a little more than Kendall because he can practice all week, he's played with these guys before and he might be the better run blocker at this point in his career. But this is one guy on an offensive line that has question marks in a few places. What would help the line is Jansen working out at center, Williams actually living up to potential, and Thomas staying healthy. Top that with Rhinehart and one of the new guys showing an ability to contribute as solid backups, and I think the offensive line would be serviceable. Is this an offensive line that will dominate? Nope, but if they can create a crease for Portis and protect Campbell's backside for a few seconds every down, the offense should improve. That is more than the Skins had in the second half of last season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 13, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Get good looking young caucasian females to host ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 10:42 AM

Here here, lets get back to Miss California (and her "racy" high school photos) and Miss South Carolina (and her inspirational educational geographical MAPS!), such as

4th, scroll up, t_e_ said he was going to change his name to Fox News.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Check out the Truth going all Alex (don't call me 35332) Jones on us. I like it.

I'm with you guys if we can substitute 12 beers for 3 Martinis. Not a fan of Vodka or Gin.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 13, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Nnope - beer is for Tuesday. Wednesday - hard stuff. I'll allow you whisky or rum, tho..

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

For the first part of the season, when they actually were running Portis on the outside, it was KENDALL who was pulling in front of Portis and racking up 6-7 yards a pop. I don't get the Kendall diminishment ... just b/c he hasn't been re-signed yet? Thomas has frucking screws in his neck! [or had anyway]. Jansen's involuntary double jointedness meant LOSS OF POWER. Dockery schmockery. Fine. The guy is healthy. Before he left, he was the offsides king and Bugel's admitted weak link. Maybe he's better now. That would be good. The problem on the line, however, remains on the right side. Kendall should be RE-SIGNED to replace Thomas as the starter ... or Chad R. better be good enough to replace Thomas right NOW.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Can we please sign Pisa Tinoisamoa? Move Rocky to strongside, put Rak at DE where he belongs and solidy this defense. This would give us an incredibly solid base D.

I think Blache can throw all different kinds of formations on D. We could go 3-4 with Rak at LB, Daniels, Haynesworth and Lorenzo on the line. Runstopping 4-3 with Rak at LB, daniels, grif, haynesworth and wyn on the line. So many possibilities.

Posted by: brian58 | May 13, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Can we please sign Pisa Tinoisamoa? Move Rocky to strongside, put Rak at DE where he belongs and solidy this defense. This would give us an incredibly solid base D.

I think Blache can throw all different kinds of formations on D. We could go 3-4 with Rak at LB, Daniels, Haynesworth and Lorenzo on the line. Runstopping 4-3 with Rak at LB, daniels, grif, haynesworth and wyn on the line. So many possibilities.

Posted by: brian58 | May 13, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I will allow the following on "3 Martini Wednesday"
Vodka
Rum
Gin
Burbon
Whisky
Rye
Absinthe
Scotch

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

No complaints here, Dik. I was hoping for an extension on 12 beer Tuesday but a few whiskey sours sound pretty good to me.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 13, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

The more I look at that poll the less it makes sense. May as well be polling if the TE we took in the 2nd day of the draft will be more or less useless then Anthony "Sex with a 15 year old in the car" Mix.


Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 11:28 AM

Mr. Mix's crime is primarily one of stupidity in transportation.

In car = illegal

In boat, >12 miles offshore = not such a problem

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Tinoisamoa likely will be re-uniting with his former position coach, now working in Buffalo.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Resigning Dockery over Kendall was an excellent move. Dockery is a better run blocker and eight years younger. The Skins were not planning to let him leave, except they were never going to match the ridiculous contract the Bills offered to made him the highest paid guard in the league.

The problems with the OL were numerous. Injuries and age took their toll primarily on the right side. Injured players did not practice. The Skins lacked quality depth and often failed to keep enough offensive linemen active on the game-day roster to counter injuries. In addition, they played against many of the best defenses in the league...

If the right side and depth are fixed, then the offense could flourish. I'm hopeful that the completion at RT will produce both a new starter and backup. It appears Jansen is done as a starting T and will be a backup OL.

The most worrisome position is RG. Can Thomas come back from neck surgery and who is the backup? Is Rinehart a quality backup G?

Finding a backup C is also a priority. Will it be Jansen or E. Williams?

Posted by: siris | May 13, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I will allow the following on "3 Martini Wednesday"
... Absinthe

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 11:49 AM

What? No rubbing alcohol? How about sucking on bandaids?

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Third. Dallas is the easy choice for #4 right now. ROCK THE RED!

Posted by: blackandred777 | May 13, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

No tequila?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Sween - I didn't see much of kendell pulling in the 2nd half of the seaosn as I did in the 1st half. I would like to resign Kendell to be the #1 backup off the bench, but we need to continue with the youth movement......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Finding a backup C is also a priority. Will it be Jansen or E. Williams?

Posted by: siris | May 13, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Williams because of age and salary. Jansen is done after this season...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 13, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

When you roll the down the field into the Redzone, or a critical 1st down play and a lineman jumps, or makes a critical mistake, then he is outa there for next play. This will create mental toughness and concentration


this actually does the opposite and causes more mistakes because the players will be worried if they make a mistake they will get pulled instead of concentrating on their assignments

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 13, 2009 10:45 AM

Apparently, you never seen that scenario in practice before. I have, and it does create the results that I have laid out. All the lineman will perform at a high level because they know that performance will rule the day and win games.

It will not cause you to make mistakes, but to play harder, physically and mentally.

There is nothing that will motivate you more to keep your job than knowing that your backup is fighting to take it away from you.

In football you cannot worry about that because you will get your butt kicked. When you are on the field, you must focus on whats on the field, or else you get your butt beat and lose games for your team.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 13, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

..............trifling

Posted by: jmicrodoc | May 13, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I think what Fox News has shown is people unable to think for themselves, in need of scapegoats for their own shortcomings and failures, need an outlet to be reminded that it's always somebody else's fault. The government. The minorities. The Liberals. The enemy.

Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse


Right on.

After all it's not like liberal-minded news outlets or talking-heads ever engage in finger-pointing, blame-shifting or small-minded scapegoating.

I mean have you ever heard a Lib talking head do things like continuously blame Bush for the faults of the universe? Or blame the rich? Or blame Republicans? Or blame the religious right? Or blame insitutional racism/sexism? Or blame the military? Or blame Conservatives? Or blame Fox News?

That kind of stuff is purely the terrain of Fox News.

...and by the way, have you seen that kettle over there - it's really really black.

Posted by: p1funk | May 13, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Can we do a poll on whether we like the polls?

Posted by: p1funk | May 13, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Hot news up here in DE is that they are going to legalize sports betting, and possibly table gaming casinos. Now I can start losing even more money on the Redskins!

I am neither for nor against it, because I don’t really bet on games (occasional blackjack is fun though, and it will be nice to not have drive up to AC). If people want to bet on games, they know where to go anyway. Bad news is the NCAA is opposed to this (naturally), and has threatened to take away home playoff games for the schools in the state, should a home game be earned. Since when does the NCAA have the right to stick it’s nose into state legislation? I am starting to think that the NCAA is like the church in that it does not want to see anything change (playoff system for Div 1) and if you move against it, you get……punished. The NCAA board needs a regime change…..maybe Obama will force it if he keeps pushing for Div 1 playoffs….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 13, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

This is DUMB. Dockery hasn't yet played a down after being re-acquired.

I think we all should instead rate the preformance of whomever will be President after Obama (in 4 or 8 years - either way). Such a poll is just as meaningless.

Posted by: whughes1 | May 13, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Fox News gets better ratings than any cable news channel. Does that put a scare into some of you?

Yes, they lean to the right. Yes, some of their commentators are extremely to the right (Hannity) and are hard on Obama almost all the time.

Ever watch Olbermann on MSNBC in 2007 or 2008? The disrespect that he showed the President was just short of sedition.

So quit your whining.

Posted by: ygbrown2001 | May 13, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

It's difficult to think we will be better than the Giants or Eagles in the O Line position.

BUT, I think the line will be a little better than last year, AND that may be enough, IF the D gets significantly more TOs and Sacks.

AND, a (the) young WR(s) or TE steps up

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 13, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"Guess what?! I've got a fever, and the only prescription... is more cowbell!"

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 13, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

When ranking 1-4, who's better?
Giant's obviously are, but I think the o-line can compete with the other two.

Posted by: COskins | May 13, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Dockery replacing Kendall was an solution in search of a problem, not an upgrade. Thomas and Jansen are in worse condition than Samuels or Kendall.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse


Dock was an upgrade in that he is younger and we are going to get more years out of him than we would with Kendall.

But your point is valid, in that Kendall played well; and the need was at tackle.

I'm hoping we can re-sign him as a backup and maybe he can fill in at RG if Randy starts to break down again.

The funny thing (in sad way) is that the Dockery signing was a bit of an accidental blessing. He was only available as an FA b/c of the Buffalo-Detroit trade fiasco. When he hit the market, he decided to come back here for less $ b/c he likes it here.

Posted by: p1funk | May 13, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Signing Dockery will help but hes not the answer..As we all know its the RT position that is struggling the most...DAN, Please Sign Levi Jones...

Posted by: hanimal03 | May 13, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

When he hit the market, he decided to come back here for less $ b/c he likes it here.

Posted by: p1funk | May 13, 2009 12:28 PM

More cowbell here, plus Five Guys.

What I think we should poll is the Swine Flu ... and whether it was real ... or a just a slow newsday, plus a pig with sniffles, and a story that got out of control as it moved up the editorial food chain.

[I realize people have died about this and I mean no disrespect. I myself probably have built up strong immunities ... I kissed a lot of pigs in college.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Right tackle is our biggest need. Can't understand why the Skins haven't signed Levi Jones who is an upgrade over Heyer, Jansen, Bridges, etc. Dockery is younger and a slight upgrade over Kendall, but don't see this making the line much better.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 13, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

While I still think our line will be 3rd, it won't be by much (another problem w/ polls).

Here's hopin' they're even better than we think!

[hoists martini toast to blog]

Soon, all your base are belong to us!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Signing Dockery will help but hes not the answer..As we all know its the RT position that is struggling the most...DAN, Please Sign Levi Jones...

Posted by: hanimal03

A nice thought, but unfortunately we've spent all of our Dan Snyder Fun Bucks this offseason and have little left to entice Levi.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 13, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Some one set us up the bomb!

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 13, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Todd Rivers

I wish I was more attractive, like Dagless.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

What I think we should poll is the Swine Flu ... and whether it was real ... or a just a slow newsday, plus a pig with sniffles, and a story that got out of control as it moved up the editorial food chain.

[I realize people have died about this and I mean no disrespect. I myself probably have built up strong immunities ... I kissed a lot of pigs in college.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse


It's not "Outbreak", but it's real and newsworthy...

My father-in-law is a pharmacist at a Children's Hospital in NJ. Just the other day he was saying that they have an otherwise perfectly healthy 12-year old who now needs a heart transplant b/c of swine flu complications.

That's serious...

Posted by: p1funk | May 13, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Dik, LMAO.
That looked like a British Venus Flytrap behind the bar.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 13, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

An upgrade is when you take the weakest links and improve them with something measurably stronger. In this case, you are replacing the second-best lineman with someone who had a significantly worse season, while ignoring the fact that 60% of the line was weaker; no improvements there. Any hopes fhe line, like the receivers, are on cast-offs or previously marginal players suddenly turning into starters. It's happened before, but don't bet the ranch on it happening here.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | May 13, 2009 10:22 AM

The first sentence is one of the best summaries of the Skins' problem in the Snyder era: a failure to take the weakest links and improve them with something measurably stronger.

Getting stung in the draft so often (passing on Santana Moss and Steve Smith for Rod Gardner in 2001, passing on Anquan Boldin for Tyler Jacobs in 2003) has been a killer too.

Given our draft record at the position, I don't blame the FO for taking a scattershot approach to pass catchers last year--play more often to improve your odds of winning.

It's past due to take the scattershot approach to OLs.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 13, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Ummmm "blessing" for who?

p1funk wrote:
The funny thing (in sad way) is that the Dockery signing was a bit of an accidental blessing. He was only available as an FA b/c of the Buffalo-Detroit trade fiasco. When he hit the market, he decided to come back here for less $ b/c he likes it here.

Posted by: p1funk | May 13, 2009 12:28 PM

From Buffalo Chronicle..

ORCHARD PARK — The Buffalo Bills pretty much admitted to making a colossal free-agent blunder Thursday when they waived left guard Derrick Dockery, who in 2007 received what was then the richest contract in team history.

With the free agency signing period beginning at 12:01 this morning, the Bills can only hope that whatever moves they make turn out better than the Dockery debacle.

Dockery signed a seven-year, $49 million blockbuster, a deal that was thought to be overly lucrative for a player who hadn't even been voted into a Pro Bowl during his first four years in the NFL with Washington.

As it turned out, the skeptics were right.

After a decent 2007 season, Dockery's performance slid noticeably in 2008 and the Bills made the decision on Thursday to eat a $5.4 million salary cap hit (he would have cost $5.85 million had he stayed with the team), which in turn enabled them to avoid paying Dockery a $1.75 million roster bonus due in a few weeks.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

siris @ 11:54 AM

Jansen can play anywhere on the line and admirably, I might add. His experience, health, and what will be 'fresh legs' (as I do not see him starting on the line this year) will be very much helpful if Randy and/or Casey or anyone else becomes injured.

Also, Edwin Williams, an Undrafted Rookie FA Center out of Maryland, could eventually be Casey's replacement, but if he only makes the practice squad, Jansen could surely snaps balls in case of an emergency.

Yes, we have an old line but we also have young depth that has become more acclimated to the offense, built more trust in their coaches and more than likely wants to be the guy, starting.

23 - Devin Clark, Scott Burely, Edwin Williams
24 - Rinehart
25 - Heyer, R. Riley
26 - Will Montgomery
27 - D'Anthony Batiste
29 - Derrick Dockery, Mike Williams, Jeremy Bridges

30 & Over - Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Samuels.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | May 13, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Dockery is a modest upgrade over Kendall in run-blocking in that he's more physically dominant. But Kendall was actually quite good in the run game - he's smart, knows how to use leverage, and has great technique.

Where Dockery will be a more significant upgrade is in pass protection. Kendall just didn't have the bulk or strength to anchor in pass protection.

Any time you can get younger and better, I see that as a good thing.

I'd love to have Kendall back as a backup, but I'm not sure if the numbers work.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | May 13, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Fox News gets better ratings than any cable news channel. Does that put a scare into some of you?

Yes, they lean to the right. Yes, some of their commentators are extremely to the right (Hannity) and are hard on Obama almost all the time.

Ever watch Olbermann on MSNBC in 2007 or 2008? The disrespect that he showed the President was just short of sedition.

So quit your whining.

Posted by: ygbrown2001


Better ratings has nothing to do with whether the news is quality or not. So by your logic, since Rush is number 1 on the radio talkers, then everything he says is true, right?

Nobody's afraid of Fox, I just see them for who they are.

And by the way, while I would've agreed with you about Olbermann's attitude toward Bush then. The recent news of his administration's deception and apparent violations of international and domestic laws on interrogations are leading me to believe that maybe KO wasn't so off-base after all.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 13, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

" Frankly, Vinnie , I don't think I want a good offensive line this year", said Snidely, affectionately pondering his Havana cigar. " Frankly that Zorn is about as charismatic as an anemic florist in January, and that Campbell is like a bumbling intern nurse from "Naked Gun 5". I WANT COWHER, DAMMIT, I WANT SHANAHAN!! AND A QUARTERBACK THAT I CAN PUT A QUARTER IN AND HE'LL GRANT ME THREE SOLEMN WISHES:
A STADIUM FULL OF CRAZED ZOMBIES THAT I CAN TURN UPSIDE DOWN AND SHAKE THE GOLD COIN OUT OF, A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM THAT I CAN JUMP UP AND DOWN AND PEE MY PANTIES OVER, AND OF COURSE, CHEAP REAL ESTATE THAT I CAN SCOOP UP AFTER THE FANS BURN DOWN D.C., IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK, VINNIE?? WHO NEEDS AN OFFENSIVE LINE??"

Posted by: frak | May 13, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know that could happen P1Funk....

Very interesting....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Offensive line, Dockery, the passing game? Who could end up being the critical missing piece in all of the confusing morass of guys who could line up next to center? Maybe its Fred Davis?

DiTrani: "You'd better stock up on those guys (big tight ends) because there aren't many coming out (of college)."

Giant's asst. coach Pope: "Exactly. There were probably two guys this year in all of college football that we collectively felt could be that traditional tight-end player. And that was it. The rest of them were either those big, tall walk-up wide receivers playing space or just so slow that they couldn't help you in the passing game, so it was really an either-or and this is the first year I've seen it be that defined. You usually have four, five or six guys that you think could do both jobs. Not anymore. I hope last year was not the way things are shaping up for the future."

DiTrani: "You have to figure it's going to be because colleges are (running the spread offense)."

Giants asst. coach Pope: "It could be. Those guys that are athletic enough to do that, they're putting them on defense. Some teams just tell the players, 'We don't use the tight end.' That's what happened in Conor Barwin's case. They said, 'We're not going to use the tight end.' So he goes over and gets 12 or 14 sacks or something at defensive end and his stock skyrockets in the draft and he goes in the second round."

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

How exactly does one measure the efficacy of an offensive line? Is there an accepted measurement, somehow triangulating YPC, sacks allowed, and pressure-free-seconds-per-QB-dropback? I don't understand. And as much as I want to believe (I want to believe!) I just don't trust our line to be that much better this year. Depending on who's playing on that right side, and how Randy T comes back.

3 Martin Wednesday:
MLK
Martin Mull
Steve Martin

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

OMG just shut the SJK up!

enough politics.

buh bye.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

We have a saying in my country - the coyote of the desert likes to eat the heart of the young and the blood drips down to his children for breakfast, lunch and dinner and only the ribs will be broken.

And why would anyone watch Fox or MSNBC or CBS for that matter when there is quality unbiased news on RT? But for real, I just checked out the RT website and the first headline I was was: Caps' Varlamov: “Girls Are Still Better in Russia”

Posted by: murphyz | May 13, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, we have an old line but we also have young depth that has become more acclimated to the offense, built more trust in their coaches and more than likely wants to be the guy, starting.

23 - Devin Clark, Scott Burley, Edwin Williams
24 - Chad Rinehart
25 - Stephon Heyer, R. Riley
26 - Will Montgomery
27 - D'Anthony Batiste
29 - Derrick Dockery, Mike Williams, Jeremy Bridges

And as of last year there is a reason why ONLY Heyer got to play, don't you think?

Of these new guys, even given his rash of injury problems the Bengal's former starting left tackle looks like a surer thing.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | May 13, 2009 12:55 PM

I don't speak French or Latin. Does this mean "I want a pizza" or "Jesus is a pizza"?

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor To Re-Sign With Fins
Posted by Mike Florio on May 13, 2009, 12:54 p.m

Somewhere Parcells is laughing at Vinny.

Posted by: will_ga | May 13, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, while I would've agreed with you about Olbermann's attitude toward Bush then. The recent news of his administration's deception and apparent violations of international and domestic laws on interrogations are leading me to believe that maybe KO wasn't so off-base after all.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 13, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Man, you need to watch more 24! Jack Bauer will get you straight...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Caps' Varlamov: “Girls Are Still Better in Russia”

Posted by: murphyz | May 13, 2009

Some are really very hot ... hotter than a Texas strip mall parking lot in the dead heat of summer ... they sizzle!

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

How exactly does one measure the efficacy of an offensive line? Is there an accepted measurement, somehow triangulating YPC, sacks allowed, and pressure-free-seconds-per-QB-dropback?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 1:05 PM

postgameheroes.com developed some metrics, but we all know how YOU feel about those guys ...

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Finding a backup C is also a priority. Will it be Jansen or E. Williams?
Posted by: siris | May 13, 2009 11:54 AM

Williams because of age and salary. Jansen is done after this season ...
Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009

I sincerely doubt that Bugel will play favorites. He was hired by Snyder to look at OL problems under Spurrier. He gets feedback from Snyder I guess? Jansen and Rabach ARE DEFINITELY NOT Jacoby and Bostic. So, everyone's contention about "loyalty to veterans" I think may be over exaggerated.

So, I would say, who wants it more? Heyer wanted it pretty badly, so much so he ended up starting for both Samuels and Jansen in his rookie year when they went down. Over Todd Wade and Fabrini! Both veterans!!

If Williams wants it he'll get it ... if Jansen wants he'll get it.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

sween, are those the dudes who "reported" a grievous injury a while back? If so, yeah, I didn't care for that. That's exactly the kind of thing that gives the internet a bad name.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to have Kendall back as a backup, but I'm not sure if the numbers work.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | May 13, 2009 12:55 PM

My guess is that Reinhart is Plan A and that Kendall is Plan B. Kendall is probably several teams' Plan B, no one's Plan A.

Posted by: Fox_News | May 13, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I hadn't checked out postgameheroes.com since the football season. I forgot about how they are 1/2 Skins homers and 1/2 Steelers homers. Now the place is BUSTING with Penguins homers (no real action by Caps supporters), but the whining is really good fun.

OVIE!!!! Rock! The! Red!

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Larry in Clinton, I will respectfully disagree with your statement because i have seen my scenario in practice as well. So i will leave the subject alone.

Respectfully and still Great,
GreatOne1

P.s. your welcome

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 13, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Last year the only two major injuries our line sustained was Heyer early and Samuels at the mid point.

The Heyer injury didnt hurt much, as Jansen came in and suddenly we had a running game. However, no body in their right mind can argue that Samuels is THAT much better than Heyer at LT, yet once he went down, our line played like dog crap.

I submit the explanation is not so much injuries as age across the entire line trying to hold up over an entire season.

Enter the argument, does Dockery help? I make the case that Dockery might not be an upgrade at week 1, but by week 16 we WILL notice a difference.

Same goes for Heyer/Williams. Heyer might not be great come week 1, but he'll hang around longer, and a fresh Jansen in reserve for injuries might not be a bad thing at all.

We still have problems if Samuels goes down, but the rest of the line is not without depth.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 13, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Caps' Varlamov: “Girls Are Still Better in Russia”

Posted by: murphyz | May 13, 2009

This is because he doesn't speak English. He likes to discuss existential philosophy with Russian girls, but he can't with American girls. As his English gets better, his preferences will change.

Posted by: Fox_News | May 13, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Wow Peri,

If Levi Jones is so good and healthy then why doesn't anybody in the League want him?

Peri, if you're implying that none of them aforementioned Olinemen are good, then I disagree with you. However if you are implying that Buges always plays his Vets over the younger guys, even when injured, then I agree with you.

I'm not trying to say that 'everything is going to be alright,' with the OLine this year. Only trying to look at the silver lining; the continuity of Oline youth on the roster.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | May 13, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

For the first part of the season, when they actually were running Portis on the outside, it was KENDALL who was pulling in front of Portis and racking up 6-7 yards a pop. I don't get the Kendall diminishment ... just b/c he hasn't been re-signed yet? Thomas has frucking screws in his neck! [or had anyway]. Kendall should be RE-SIGNED to replace Thomas as the starter ... or Chad R. better be good enough to replace Thomas right NOW.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009

Salary cap issues with Thomas. Otherwise Kendall was their best offensive lineman overall last year. (Not Samuels because he again went down due to injury). So, I agree.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

My guild on World of Warcraft is called OVECHKIN! That's right I mealt faces and pwn noobs.

Posted by: murphyz | May 13, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Guess whose back with the Dolphins...

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/05/13/after-a-year-as-a-redskin-jason-taylor-to-re-sign-with-dolphins/

Damn I hate when we make Bill Parcells look like a genius!

Posted by: Predator48 | May 13, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | May 13, 2009 12:55 PM

I don't speak French or Latin. Does this mean "I want a pizza" or "Jesus is a pizza"?

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 1:09 PM

"Jesus In A Pizza". It's up for auction of eBay right now.

Posted by: Fox_News | May 13, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I had to follow up on this whole OL question.

I slipped this in the mail box over at CHFF.

"First, this is the best NFL site on there.

Second, how about a list or chart of the best Offensive Lines of all time. This is a particularly difficult statistical analysis, because there are not many stats to go by. Also, the best lines work as a unit, so you can't judge them based on the career of one or two of its members.

thanks!"

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 13, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Wow Peri,

If Levi Jones is so good and healthy then why doesn't anybody in the League want him?

Because he has had those injury issues, yet still wants starting left tackle money over an extended period of time.

In the case of the Redskins he would represent a significant upgrade over the guys they currently have in place. He could play left tackle while Samuels moves right, or the reverse. He does have talent, is considered a talent. Just unreliable. In the case of this team you have a Jones, a Samuels, a Heyer, perhaps Jones' peer in Williams ... what's not to like? That's depth as opposed to "rock solid starters". But that ain't going to happen unless they start drafting OL in the higher rounds. I doubt that Snyder will ever do that as long as he is in control of this franchise.

Peri, if you're implying that none of them aforementioned Olinemen are good, then I disagree with you. However if you are implying that Buges always plays his Vets over the younger guys, even when injured, then I agree with you.

I disagree, I believe HE DOES NOT favor veterans otherwise, Fabrini, a guy who started at left tackle for other teams should have started? Explain Stephon Heyer, an undrafted free agent rookie, starting in his very first year? Or Todd Wade a starting right tackle before he came to the Skins?

I'm not trying to say that 'everything is going to be alright,' with the OLine this year. Only trying to look at the silver lining; the continuity of Oline youth on the roster.

Mostly practice squad players who never make anyone's active roster. With a few potential "ringers" with "baggage" in Mike Williams, Bridges and Burley. Why not add Jones to that mix? Maybe they will all resurrect their respective careers under Bugel's watchful eye?

Posted by: AllThatSkins | May 13, 2009

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

And the auto-replay was glib as you might expect:

"Contact the Cold, Hard Football Facts
If your e-mail was filled with lovely and beautiful Cold, Hard Football Facts, thank you so much. You’ve made our day. If your e-mail was filled with thoughts, ideas, outlooks, estimations, notions, beliefs, suppositions, theories or opinions then you will be mocked like the tiny little mental midget that you apparently are. 'Cause let's face it: opinions are stupid. Especially yours. Look for your letter in the Mail Pouch soon."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 13, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator, please, for the love of god, go back to your other handle. I can't bear looking at "Fox_News." You made your point. And now it's just freaking me out. Please. I beg you.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

agree with periculum... If only one is ready to play/substitute (Heyer), how is that "depth"?

This is still the greatest and most revealing incident of the 2008 Redskins.. Almost out of a Dan Jenkins "longest yard" novel..
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/12/09/terrell-suggs-was-worried-for-jason-campbells-health-on-sunday/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes, we have an old line but we also have young depth that has become more acclimated to the offense, built more trust in their coaches and more than likely wants to be the guy, starting.

23 - Devin Clark, Scott Burley, Edwin Williams
24 - Chad Rinehart
25 - Stephon Heyer, R. Riley
26 - Will Montgomery
27 - D'Anthony Batiste
29 - Derrick Dockery, Mike Williams, Jeremy Bridges

And as of last year there is a reason why ONLY Heyer got to play, don't you think?

Of these new guys, even given his rash of injury problems the Bengal's former starting left tackle looks like a surer thing.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 1:08 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

3 Martin Wednesday:
MLK
Martin Mull
Steve Martin

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 1:05 PM

[With drinking during Game 7 on my mind] Remy Martin
[With hockey still on the brain] Martin "No relation to Donald" Brashear
[All hockey, all the time] F Martin St. Louis

Posted by: 4-12 | May 13, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

postgameheroes seems to have recovered from their early regrettables...I read it a lot like I like I read stuff posted on Bleacher Report, which is to say with my head turned sideways and a quizzical look.

If nothing else you've got to respect their time and effort.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 13, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Boy, Bill Parcells looks like a genius. He gives up, arguably, his best defensive player for one year, gets two draft picks for him and goes 11-5. And Vinny looks like a _______. (What's the opposite of genius)

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 13, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Almost every other media outlet in the nation whether it be print, radio, or television along with 99% of hollywood and the public school systems/90% of higher education institutions are all heavily slanted to the left. Who cares if FoxNews actually leans right, at least there is one major source telling the other side, they should drop "fair and balance" and say "leaning against the balance of leftist power in the media". Diversity people, its good for us all.


And Dockery is a long-term upgrade as he's younger, short-term won't change the makeup of the line at all, hopefully our 400 pounder will and Bridges can take over for Thomas and pull on running plays as well as he pulls guns on strippers.

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | May 13, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor just signed with the Dolphins for 1.1 mil for 1 year.

soooo, Dolphins got a second round pick and Jason Taylor for a bargain basement price and only lost him for one year (a year in which he was hurt), and the skins got a hurt Jason Taylor for one season - who had something like 2 or 3 sacks, and gave up a 2nd rounder and 8 mil.

should this surprise anyone?

Posted by: whughes1 | May 13, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Damn I hate when we make Bill Parcells look like a genius!

Posted by: Predator48 | May 13, 2009 1:24 PM

Parcells is paying him a million. Redskins would have paid him $8.5 million.

I don't think we made Parcells look like a genius: he made us look like, uh what's the term? Idiots? Morons? Cerratos? And just think, last year Peter King was writing about how Cerrato had gotten the best of Parcells. Makes you think he should have been born Peter Pawn.

Posted by: Fox_News | May 13, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Fox I think the appropriate term is we got Vinnied!

Posted by: Predator48 | May 13, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Nate,
Speaking of outstanding journalism, maybe we should all pick new handles.

I think I'll go with: Geraldo Rivera.
Yeah, that's the ticket.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 13, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

If nothing else you've got to respect their time and effort.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 13, 2009 1:37 PM

This is why I respect the posters up here ... all of the (wasted) commitment to (waste) their time and (waste) effort!

Someday, future generations will bust open a time capsule* containing the entire archives of the RI blog and marvel "wow, what an impressive diminution of productivity"

* I mean, after its gets printed out and put into a time capsule ... I'm sure the WaPo hamsters are very busy doing that.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Can the Skins get a compensation pick for employing Vinny?
How does Vinny collect a million dollar per year paycheck and walk the halls of Redskins Park and keep a straight face??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Jason Taylor just signed with the Dolphins for 1.1 mil for 1 year.

soooo, Dolphins got a second round pick and Jason Taylor for a bargain basement price and only lost him for one year (a year in which he was hurt), and the skins got a hurt Jason Taylor for one season - who had something like 2 or 3 sacks, and gave up a 2nd rounder and 8 mil.

should this surprise anyone?

Posted by: whughes1 | May 13, 2009 1:39 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Gerbils in cages, hamsters in cubicals...it speaks to the joy of (sic) Modern Times.

By the way have you seen the new colorized, talkie version, it's waaaaaaaaay better than the original.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 13, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

OMG just shut the SJK up!

enough politics.

buh bye.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 13, 2009 1:06 PM ==============================================

Come on back...

We haz PICKSURES!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 13, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

.........this is a botch

Posted by: jmicrodoc | May 13, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Predator is an idiot, Fox News absolutely blows away all the other news outlets. It's not even close. There is a reason their ratings are so high. They consistently have liberals and conservatives on their shows so both sides get to express their opinions. While I agree Hannity is a bit much, the CNN and MSNBC crews suk. That's why nobody watches them, except you predator

Posted by: Skins281 | May 13, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator, please, for the love of god, go back to your other handle. I can't bear looking at "Fox_News." You made your point. And now it's just freaking me out. Please. I beg you.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 1:31 PM

Man, I thought it would irritate Cork, not you, Nate. And this is the first time anyone's ever credited me with making my point. I never even have a point so if I make one it's by accident.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Actually it's Taylor who looks like an idiot. He gave up 7 million dollars to not practice during the OTAs...

Posted by: siris | May 13, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Never mind, Dik.

You wuz right.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 13, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Can we please sign Pisa Tinoisamoa? Move Rocky to strongside, put Rak at DE where he belongs and solidy this defense. This would give us an incredibly solid base D.

Orapko is a former Basketball player who put on weight in his upper body doing those legendary workouts. However, his lower body strength is not what it needs to be to go against some of the bigger OL in the league on running downs.

I think Blache can throw all different kinds of formations on D. We could go 3-4 with Rak at LB, Daniels, Haynesworth and Lorenzo on the line. Runstopping 4-3 with Rak at LB, daniels, grif, haynesworth and wyn on the line. So many possibilities.

If I'm Snyder (and perhaps Blache) and I am paying a guy JT money plus to play and he is a part-time pass rusher? If the guy can play OLB they can still line him up at DE on passing downs the way the Ravens do with Suggs. They can blitz him. But more importantly, he was far more effective against the run standing up in college. Plus he needs to learn to drop back into coverage as well as Suggs does.

At OLB he plays most every defensive down. He moves around a lot. At DE he becomes another Chris Wilson, Andre Carter, Jason Taylor.

Posted by: brian58 | May 13, 2009

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

And Vinny looks like a _______. (What's the opposite of genius)

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 13, 2009 1:38 PM |

I believe the word you were looking for was "vegasskinsfan." Gotcha, sucka.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Taylor's signing does not help Vinny in Snyder's eyes. I suspect he is as much (if not more so) on the hot seat as Zorn and Campbell. If I am Vinny I am trying to get Levi Jones into Redskins Park. If he still likes his job. It isn't like Vinny is Joe Jackson Gibbs, who can just say, "to heck" with the Snyderato Soap Opera and go back to car racing.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I got 5 on the fact that Chris Wilson would have produced MORE than Taylor........and we would have been able to keep our 2nd round pick and NOT have to pay Jason Taylor 8 million for basically being the pretty boy that he is.

Posted by: jmicrodoc | May 13, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Fair and balanced prognostication of best case scenario, L side of line

C- Roger Clemens
G- Dockery on steroids
T- Manny R.

Posted by: ElYeah | May 13, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Skins, just because I don't buy into FNC's baseless attacks on our president, false journalism, and recitation of GOP talking points doesn't make me an idiot. but apparently their version of the news works for you.

I'm a pretty moderate dude, even conservative on some issues. But what I'm not is mindless a$$clown who swallows news from one source only. Apparently you are.
Have fun at your next FNC teabagging party! Be sure to bring some napkins for your chin.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 13, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

But what I'm not is mindless a$$clown who swallows news from one source only.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 13, 2009 2:16 PM |

Never mind your news sources. Where did you get your manners?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

This is when you find out who at WaPo cares and doesnt give a ratsa$$ about their FedEx Press passes to the Skins games.
Watch who has the stones to write and criticize the Skins FO about this sadly humorous Jason Taylor fiasco..... Right now my money is on Sally Jenkins... or JLac
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Taylor's signing does not help Vinny in Snyder's eyes. I suspect he is as much (if not more so) on the hot seat as Zorn and Campbell. If I am Vinny I am trying to get Levi Jones into Redskins Park. If he still likes his job. It isn't like Vinny is Joe Jackson Gibbs, who can just say, "to heck" with the Snyderato Soap Opera and go back to car racing.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 2:07 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Peri,

I definitely think Rak is an everydown player. He is a monster and an impressive athlete. But he is a defensive end. I think he could be a great hybrid player too, but there is a learning curve there. I think I'd rather have Rak at DE at everydown with Pisa, Fletcher and Rocky at SLB than see Rak drop back into coverage against Witten, etc.

I love the idea of him playing different positions. I think the strength of this defense will be its ability to put a bunch of different packages on the field. That chargers-colts playoff game comes to mind, where the Chargers wouldn't get set on D til the playclock was below 10 and manning didnt have anytime to audible. With guys like Rak and Wilson able to play two positions, it will only lead to farther confusion. I see them running the 4-3, and 3-4 and anything else Blache comes up with.

Posted by: brian58 | May 13, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Predator48's political symbol is the jackass....I mean....donkey.

Posted by: jmicrodoc | May 13, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

It isn't like Vinny is Joe Jackson Gibbs, who can just say, "to heck" with the Snyderato Soap Opera and go back to car racing.


Didn't he have a really sick grandchild he wanted to spend more time with also? Has anyone seen any updates on how he is doing? I forgot what was wrong with him.

Posted by: will_ga | May 13, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"talent evaluator". In vegas, that's what we call guys that spend way to much time in the strip clubs. What's your excuse?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 13, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Skins 281- don't those fox guys strike you as a little...shoe-light. Starting and ending with Aikman

I prefer my news from the man: Mel Kiper, Jr.

Posted by: ElYeah | May 13, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I guess swallows was a bit harsh. Allow me restate that sentence as "What I'm not is a mindless a$$clown who GETS news from one source only"

That way no one can accuse me of "swallowing" from multiple sources. Whew!

I'm tired of talking about news channels

Posted by: Predator48 | May 13, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I get my news from Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

Glen Beck and Jim Cramer are reliable too.

F The News Markets! Wiki is the only true source for facts!
/sarcasm

Posted by: AllThatSkins | May 13, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"talent evaluator". In vegas, that's what we call guys that spend way to much time in the strip clubs. What's your excuse?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 13, 2009 2:23 PM |

I didn't realize it was possible to spend "too much time" in strip clubs. So you're saying that when people call me "talent evaluator" they think it's a bad thing? Man, that explains a lot. Thanks for tipping me off.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

talent evaluator is calling out someone on their manners???!!! I bet he got beat up and had his lunch $ taken away everyday in school cause he talks a lot of #%@& on a blog. Probably a puppy dog in person.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 13, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Getting back to football, check this out...

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2009/05/12/the-big-show-wont-be-out-of-coaching-for-long/

Holmgren wants back in the league in 2010. So is it playoffs or bust this year for Zorny?

Posted by: Predator48 | May 13, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Friggin' Bill Parcells has to be laughing at us.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4164099

Posted by: p1funk | May 13, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Bill Parcell's one year rental of the quickly compartmentalized Jason Taylor (and the associated cost of draft picks, Pat White and whatever they did with the 4th round pick) is not as much a bad one on Vinny for last year, as much as it was about ignoring the lines in the preceding drafts.

At the time, the Jason Taylor pick up made sense because (1) Daniels was done, (2) Evans was unproven, and (3) the Skins were desperate due to ignoring the lines in the draft in favor of "talent" positions.

This is as much about the owner, who is now a sixth or seventh season fantasy football veteran, as it is about the EVP.

Still, Jason Taylor is doing the right thing by his legacy to retire as a Dolphin ... avoiding Favre's mistake.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Today's BEST Healine:

"Dungy Says Michael Vick Wants Second Chance"

This raises some interesting issues:

What's Vick's contractual status with the Falcons?

Given the Falcons suddenly 'improved' quarterback (and tight end)situation, should their front office play the 'forgiveness card' and welcome Vick back on the team as, say, a Devin Hester type punt returner/slot receiver/special teamer?

Should Goodell punish Vick even further by delaying his inevitable return to the league?

What Mike Vick did to get himself bounced from the NFL was dumb and inhumane.

But dude has served his time by losing money, serving time, losing fame, and declaring bankruptcy.

Let back in the league. It's a sexy story.

Seeing Mike Vick come back into the league will literally be like watching a dog chasing its own tail.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 13, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

jason taylor, arggggh......

Posted by: braker19cleartheline | May 13, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Please list the liberals who host shows on FNC.

I'll wait.

Joe Scarborough's on MSNBC, after all.

Posted by: mdean3 | May 13, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Look everyone Fox News May be a no 1 Cable TV News but it also gets is @$$ kicked in the ratings by non-news.

Top 15 cable TV shows for April 27-May 3
1. NBA Playoffs: Chicago at Boston (Saturday, 8:04 p.m.), TNT, 5.01 million homes, 6.98 million viewers.
2. NBA Playoffs: Boston at Chicago (Thursday, 7:08 p.m.), TNT, 4.04 million homes, 5.35 million viewers.
3. "NCIS" (Wednesday, 8 p.m.), USA, 3.47 million homes, 4.49 million viewers.
4. "WWE Raw" (Monday, 9 p.m.), USA, 3.4 million homes, 5.11 million viewers.
5. "WWE Raw" (Monday, 10 p.m.), USA, 3.31 million homes, 4.92 million viewers.
6. "NCIS" (Monday, 7 p.m.), USA, 3.3 million homes, 4.39 million viewers.
7. "NCIS" (Tuesday, 7 p.m.), USA, 3.27 million homes, 4.26 million viewers.
8. "SpongeBob SquarePants" (Saturday, 9:30 a.m.), Nickelodeon, 3.2 million homes, 4.08 million viewers.
9. "NCIS" (Monday, 8 p.m.), USA, 3.18 million homes, 4.21 million viewers.
10. "NCIS" (Wednesday, 7 p.m.), USA, 3.13 million homes, 3.96 million viewers.
11. "Hannah Montana" (Sunday, 8 p.m.), Disney, 3.11 million homes, 4.46 million viewers.
12. "Wishology" (Sunday, 8 p.m.), Nickelodeon, 2.99 million homes, 4.07 million viewers.
13. "Penguins of Madagascar" (Saturday, 10 a.m.), Nickelodeon, 2.97 million homes, 3.64 million viewers.
14. NBA Playoffs: Portland vs. Houston (Thursday, 11:08 p.m.), TNT, 2.945 million homes, 3.69 million viewers.
14. "Sonny With a Chance" (Sunday, 8:30 p.m.), Disney, 2.945 million homes, 4.12 million viewers.

So okay Fox News is getting its face pushed in the mud by Hanna Montana and Spungebob. So sit on it.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Getting back to football, check this out...

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2009/05/12/the-big-show-wont-be-out-of-coaching-for-long/

Holmgren wants back in the league in 2010. So is it playoffs or bust this year for Zorny?


Posted by: Predator48 | May 13, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse


How about Holmgren comes back as a GM/Personnel guy and Zorn stays since they have a great relationship.

...And Vinny gets put in charge of the Parking brigade.

Actually, if Holmgren wants back in as a head coach, do you think Zorn would agree to take a demotion? Perhaps be an OC and QB/coach (the position he was originally hired for)?

Maybe not, but maybe Zorn realizes that he's probably not going to get another head coaching gig until he can prove himself as a coordinator, and what better gig to do that in than with the guy he's been developing and the HC he's worked under for most of his pro coaching career?

Posted by: p1funk | May 13, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Still, Jason Taylor is doing the right thing by his legacy to retire as a Dolphin ... avoiding Favre's mistake.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 2:28 PM |

Hey, Favre's not done yet. In another three or four seasons he could end up back in the Pack.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Love(of strip clubs) is blind.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 13, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Reason No. 7 - Wore black panties to the annual blackshirt party

Posted by: ElYeah | May 13, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Love(of strip clubs) is blind.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 13, 2009 2:31 PM

Good point. Strip clubs are better when you do them in braille.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Reason No. 6 - Failed to qualify for the 1st Annual Lawrence Phillips Rapers and Riders tourney

Posted by: ElYeah | May 13, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey i love NCIS!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs is the MAN!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Vinny has to take blame.....

It was good at the time, but he should have looked ahead of that. I'm convinced it was a amicable brek up now......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Predator48 wrote:
Holmgren wants back in the league in 2010. So is it playoffs or bust this year for Zorny?
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It already was playoffs or fired, with or without Holmgren back in the NFL. Nice "save face" for Snyder if Zorn drops back to QB coach and Holmgren comes in.

Problem is, Holmgren is a GM/Coach and Danny is a GM/Owner. Someone would have to be castrated.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

...(3) the Skins were desperate due to ignoring the lines in the draft in favor of "talent" positions...

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 2:28 PM

This summarizes the reason for so many bad moves over the years. And many of those bad moves included overreaching for "talent" positions (although we were lucky when Ocho Stinko's team said "no" to our two 1st round picks last year and Cutler's Broncos found another team to fleece this year).

Posted by: Alan4 | May 13, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see Holmgren come in as OC/QC? Thoughts?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Today's Second BEST Headline:

"CHIMP THAT MAULED WOMAN HAD XANAX IN SYSTEM"

What do you do when your monkey is a pillhead?

Who do you call when your monkey gets high, watches porn, and spanks itself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 13, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't blame Vinny as much for this as the pooched drafts and the lack of O-line depth..Taylor seemed like a good move after Daniels went down, who'da thought the suppurating, pustulent wound woulda spread the alien virus ...

Posted by: frak | May 13, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Ummmm "blessing" for who?


From Buffalo Chronicle..

ORCHARD PARK — The Buffalo Bills pretty much admitted to making a colossal free-agent blunder Thursday when they waived left guard Derrick Dockery, who in 2007 received what was then the richest contract in team history.

With the free agency signing period beginning at 12:01 this morning, the Bills can only hope that whatever moves they make turn out better than the Dockery debacle.

Dockery signed a seven-year, $49 million blockbuster, a deal that was thought to be overly lucrative for a player who hadn't even been voted into a Pro Bowl during his first four years in the NFL with Washington.

As it turned out, the skeptics were right.

After a decent 2007 season, Dockery's performance slid noticeably in 2008 and the Bills made the decision on Thursday to eat a $5.4 million salary cap hit (he would have cost $5.85 million had he stayed with the team), which in turn enabled them to avoid paying Dockery a $1.75 million roster bonus due in a few weeks.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse


It was a "blessing" for us.

The issue is not that Doc played particularly poorly for the Bills, the issue was that he did not live up to his $7 mill/year deal (which was, I think, the richest contract for an interior lineman at the time). Dockery's contract was part of the issue that led to Peters becoming disgruntled, and so they decided to cut their losses.

Dockery was supposed to get traded to the Lions, but they missed the deadline for the paperwork, so the Bills cut him and he became an FA. The Lions were still intent on signing him, but he signed with us for less $.

He is basically on a 3-year $13mill contract. He doesn't have to live up to being the highest paid interior lineman in the NFL. He likes playing here, and played well here. He's younger than Pete Kendall by about 5-6 years. We paid less for him than he apparently could have fetched out on the market.

...sounds like a good deal for us.

Posted by: p1funk | May 13, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Dockery was signed to the Bills based on future potential during his prime years.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

my guess is JLC is busy getting ready for the Caps game and thus no news.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Buffalo gave up 38 sacks last year.. and they pointed to Dock..(whether right or wrong). Hopefully Dock isnt just a "play for the Contract" FA, like DHall is.. We'll find out. Maybe a reunion with Buges is all he needs..
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He is basically on a 3-year $13mill contract. He doesn't have to live up to being the highest paid interior lineman in the NFL. He likes playing here, and played well here. He's younger than Pete Kendall by about 5-6 years. We paid less for him than he apparently could have fetched out on the market.

...sounds like a good deal for us.

Posted by: p1funk | May 13, 2009 2:48 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

sooooo disappointed in Taylor signing with the Fins. I woulda so be in everyone's face if he'd gone to New England, because I made that longshot prediction in January when he was still with the Skins. Now, I just gotta be humble.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Need some XANAX in the OLine's gatorade..
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Today's Second BEST Headline:

"CHIMP THAT MAULED WOMAN HAD XANAX IN SYSTEM"

What do you do when your monkey is a pillhead?

Who do you call when your monkey gets high, watches porn, and spanks itself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 13, 2009 2:45 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Still don't get why the team did not try and resign Taylor for less.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

my guess is JLC is busy getting ready for the Caps game and thus no news.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 2:54 PM |

So what? Don't the have some junior college summer intern who'd like to make a name for herself by breaking a big scoop on RI? "Cerrato trades next year's third round pick to Miami for rights to Jason Taylor"?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

T_E

I think with all the budget cuts they cant get interns anymore.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Still don't get why the team did not try and resign Taylor for less.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 3:01 PM

How would that go, Alex:

Vinnie: "Jason, will you play for us for $8.5 million."

Jason: "No way."

Vinnie: "Okay, how about $1 million."

Jason: "Now you're talking my language! You got a deal!"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Different subject...... Jason Taylor re-signed with the Dolphins for 1 year/$1.5M.

I bet he gets 8-10 sacks this year.

Posted by: Monk81_Green28 | May 13, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

T_E.
I would at least offer.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Best Ohhh-Line in the history of best Ohhh-Lines!!!

'sarcasm


LETS GO CAPS !!!!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | May 13, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Taylor left because if he was going to take a massive pay cut, he'd choose where he wanted to play. And despite JT and Vinny's denials and silly story about OTAs, it was ALL about Taylor's contract.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Taylor flat out did not want to play here for the Redskins regardless of the money. He wanted to be in Miami with his family and knew that Redskins schemes did not play to his strengths. Parcells must have been laughing hysterically when he took the 2nd round pick from the Redskins and knew Taylor would eventually want to be back in Miami.

Cerrato is a terrible GM and the fact that Snyder continues to promote him shows how far this organization has to go before it can be a strong franchise like NY or Philly who consistently make the playoffs and compete for championships. Snyder continues to play fantasy football GM and needs to hire a "real" football guy to run the personnel side of the team.

Total embarrassment that Taylor re-signed with Miami for the minimum and now is indicating he may play 3 more years.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 13, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Where' Chriss lArRy? I think he blew another lock and loaded prediction.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Total embarrassment that Taylor re-signed with Miami for the minimum and now is indicating he may play 3 more years.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 13, 2009 3:14 PM

The one who's most upset about this is Taylor's agent. Compare 10% of $8.5 million with 10% of $1 million. "Hi, honey, could you please call the redecorator and ask her to shop at Target, not at Bloomingdale's?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Boy, I sure hope I'm wrong on this but I don't see much improvement on the OL! Like many of you, I've been saying that our OL is our weak link and every year the Skins pick up players on D or anywhere but the OL. I think the D should be better this year (it wasn't all that bad last year) but without a line to block for CP and protect Campbell; it looks like we'll be playing a lot of D with very little O production. Like I said, I really hope I'm wrong!!!!

Posted by: bobleme | May 13, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is a terrible GM and the fact that Snyder continues to promote him shows how far this organization has to go before it can be a strong franchise like NY or Philly who consistently make the playoffs and compete for championships. Snyder continues to play fantasy football GM and needs to hire a "real" football guy to run the personnel side of the team.

Snyder is

Given Snyder's drooling over "chick crack" like Cutler, Sanchez and sack specialist "beasts" like Orapko; comparing the Redskin's past draft picks in the upper rounds under Gibbs/Grilliams; I would say your take on Snyder is dead on the money.

However, examining Cerrato's last draft which was 2008, (This last one [2009] was more Snyder's than it was Cerrato's.), with the past appears to indicate he was out to:
1. Prove he was better than Gibbs/Grilliams
2. Get promoted to GM (as opposed to VP of player personnel a "tryout" for GM.
3. Now, of course its about saving his job.

Here is what Cerrato attempted to do. He matched up Jim Zorn with the remaining offensive staff and particularly with Jason Campbell. He traded down and drafted Mel Kiper's to 3 receivers in the 2nd round of last year's draft. He drafted an offensive tackle in the 3rd round. Then he ostensibly went for defense.

This year Snyder first went for Sanchez in the draft, big time! Then when that fell through he drafted Orapko. Followed by Barnes (Unbelievably, (given Barnes injury problems) probably the smartest move in this draft.) Followed by more defense with the offensive line in tatters.

Believe me Jason Taylor was more Snyder's idea than it was Vinny's. Vinny may have "facilitated" it but just like with Cutler and Sanchez you have to believe JT was all at Snyder's instigation. Vinny likes young, he likes to trade down and draft less heralded guys to prove what a "genius" he is.

The point? Again:
SNYDER (SnidelyOwl) IS YOUR GM just like Jerry Jones in Dallas Vinny is his "Igor", his "stooge", his "bi!ch".

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

There wasn't a snowballs chance in h*ll that Taylor was NEVER getting $8 mil for 2009. Or anywhere near that.

Every married guy on this board knows that. Not one of them will EVER have this conversation with their wife.

"Hey honey, I just bought this thing for $800. I coulda bought it for $100, but it was a bit further away and I woulda missed being away from you too much."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Total embarrassment that Taylor re-signed with Miami for the minimum and now is indicating he may play 3 more years.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 13, 2009

Nope, the Curse Of The Landshark is going to mug him one afternoon, tearing a massive gory chunk off him, teethmarks neatly serrating the bloody, spurting wound, as the beast greedily gulps down his dancing Dolphin a**...

Posted by: frak | May 13, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

i gotta startt prooof reeding my stuff

There wasn't a snowballs chance in h*ll that Taylor was NEVER getting $8 mil for 2009.

vs

There wasn't a snowballs chance in h*ll that Taylor was EVER getting $8 mil for 2009.

add one 'N' and it confused the whole thing. DaNg

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Good grief, I'm getting excited about the Caps' game seven. Just a few more hours to kill until then.

And by "kill" I mean "spend in the loving company of my darling little boys, one of whom should be napping right now but isn't since I'm incapable of getting him to sleep."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I think I'd rather have Rak at DE at everydown with Pisa, Fletcher and Rocky at SLB than see Rak drop back into coverage against Witten, etc.
Posted by: brian58 | May 13, 2009

Hardly anyone here reads between the lines? I wonder ... in articles posted here by the Jasons, even on ESPN where Matt Mosely appears to agree with you (Mosely's caveat is that he wants Orapko to gain 20 pounds! What happens to his speed then!!!??)

Who would you rather see drop back into coverage on passing downs? Orapko, Haynesworth or Carter? I pick Orapko, Carter was never very good at that in SF, and Haynesworth is just too good to waste doing that. But HE WILL BE AT DE on passing downs. They have pretty much said as much. In deed by placing Orapko at OLB!

Haynesworth at DE means that the other team cannot lock a guard and tackle on him. Instead the tight end or the running back must help the tackle. I like that mismatch, and apparently so does our DoJo Master Blache. Now Carter rushing on the other side from DE. Orapko blitzing from OLB right NEXT to Haynesworth! Now a wide out has to "chip" to try to slow down Orapko.

You see what happens? The other team can't send as many guys out into patterns without risking a sack.

Putting Orapko at defensive end on running downs is a recipe for disaster. He will not be as effective as Daniels and Wynn. Probably not as effective as Carter. And that's the test. If he did prove to be more effective than Carter ... then what do you do with Carter? And then your linebacking has some massive holes.

Making Orapko into Terrell Suggs makes a huge amount of sense on all fronts. Even a Lance Briggs would be good!!! Its not like Suggs doesn't get sacks. Just his presence helped the other linebackers get some huge sack numbers. The same is true for Briggs.


Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Agreed with Nate. I am listening to WJFK right now do a live radio-cast from the stadium and just want to go home and start drinking and getting ready

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Agreed..Snyder and Jones cannot stand for someone (a real GM) to tell them how to spend their money. Thus no GM.

My guess, is Snyder still feels burned by moving up to pick JC upon Gibb's recommendation and giving up half his draft picks.. Especially when every GM said, afterwards, that JC would of been available in the 2nd or 3rd round. For this reason, alone, I doubt if we'll ever see a Coach with personnel input, like Gibbs again, with the REdskins as long as Danny is the owner.

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The point? Again:
SNYDER (SnidelyOwl) IS YOUR GM just like Jerry Jones in Dallas Vinny is his "Igor", his "stooge", his "bi!ch".

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 3:28 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

go home and start drinking and getting ready

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 3:43 PM |

Let's see:

(1) Go home? Nope.
(2) Start drinking? Why not?
(3) Getting ready? Aren't we doing that?

Two out of three ain't bad.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Nate--I may have missed it, but have you got anything to report on the job front?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

ah..give the little menace a pint of guiness...and zzzzzz
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And by "kill" I mean "spend in the loving company of my darling little boys, one of whom should be napping right now but isn't since I'm incapable of getting him to sleep."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 3:39 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

ah..give the little menace a pint of guiness...and zzzzzz

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 3:50 PM

Plan A: Drive him around in the car until he nods off, usually within a mile.

Plan B: (From my kids' pediatrician) Desert wine, cherry heering, amaretto. We used the desert wine once on a flight back from Australia and the girl slept for two days. Maybe one glass would have been enough?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Please answer me this...is there anybody who is worse than Vinny in the enitire NFL?
WPost and USATODAY: please do a poll rating the top and bottom 5 GMs in the NFL...care to guess where Vinny ends up?
And if you do the same poll for owners, I bet Danny also ends up in the bottom 5. The Redskins front office should be included in the wiki definition for LAUGHING STOCK.
Each year they throw away a 2nd and or 3rd round pick on a washed up one year rental WR, RB, S, DE...seems each NFL team's GM is just lining up to take turns at fleecing Vinny/DAnny. So what's next, a washed up OL for next year's 2nd or 3rd round pick. Just wait if the LT or C goes down, it will surely happen--again.

Posted by: oddjob1 | May 13, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Here's my take on Jason Taylor.......

It's simple boys and girls. Once you have enough money and you start to want a higher level of reward. Evidently, playing in DC for DS and VC must have been as appealing as a couple unneccesary root canals.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 13, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Second your comments oddjob1. Check out Sports Illustrated and you'll see Snyder ranked as the 3rd worse owner in the NFL after Al David and the Ford Family (Detroit). I'm sure Vinny would finish in the bottom 5 as well.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 13, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

In 2006 the Redskins OL played great and Dockery was a big part of it. That's when Betts ran for 1100 yards in half a season. Some players just play better for one team vs. another. I'd like somebody to interview Doc about the difference between the Bills and the Skins - the coaching, the off-season program, etc.

The OL might suck again this year, but then again it might be great. Mike Williams might rock at RT. Jansen and Thomas are a year further away from their injuries. Rainhard might step up. Dock might just need a coach like Buge to play well.

The optimistic scenarios are as realistic as the pessimistic ones. The fact is none of us has a clue. We have no choice but to trust the experts at Redskins Park and hope they finally got it right hiring Zorn. And for one I will be intrigued as to how it turns out. The potential with Dockery and Williams added to the line is something. The line will at least be stronger.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 13, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I am PENS fan! SID the KID baby!!!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The only reliable player on OLine is going to be Dockery.

Samuels health is a big questionmark. Ditto for Thomas. Jansen is just doesn't have the lateral movement for pass protection anymore. Maybe with Mike Williams, you don't even need lateral movement since he's kinda like 2 guys there anyway.

They should seriously look at bringing back Kendall for insurance. At least he was serviceable and a hell of a lot better than Reinhart.

Posted by: mmz114 | May 13, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Plan B: (From my kids' pediatrician) Desert wine, cherry heering, amaretto. We used the desert wine once on a flight back from Australia and the girl slept for two days. Maybe one glass would have been enough?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

T_E -- my brilliant sister always said that alcohol was useful for kids on long flights. She said, "You can give it to the kid, drink some yourself, give it to the passengers around you or even buy a few rounds for the flight attendants. But alcohol is part of the solution."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I was on a transatlantic flight recently and a french Mom had her newborn sucking on a cloth dipped in brandy...
Damn that Brandy.. I wasted 6 hours waiting for her to breast feed....

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ah..give the little menace a pint of guiness...and zzzzzz

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 3:50 PM

Plan A: Drive him around in the car until he nods off, usually within a mile.

Plan B: (From my kids' pediatrician) Desert wine, cherry heering, amaretto. We used the desert wine once on a flight back from Australia and the girl slept for two days. Maybe one glass would have been enough?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 3:55 PM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

No job yet, t_e. Thanks for changing your handle back.

SnaGM, would that I had some Guinness handy. Alas... the little man usually falls asleep in his stroller, but no luck with that today.

So when I hand over custody of the boys to their mother and head off to watch the Caps game, she'll be getting one very cranky toddler... I do hope she's enjoying her midday break while it lasts :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I was on a transatlantic flight recently and a french Mom had her newborn sucking on a cloth dipped in brandy...
Damn that Brandy.. I wasted 6 hours waiting for her to breast feed....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Damn the luck!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Get outta here, Hail2theChief, you're a fan of the Pens and the Skins?! That's an unlikely combo. Please explain how this came to be.

Brandy, Guinness, desert wine (they make wine in the desert now?)... I'd gladly take any of that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

So when Vinny talks to Parcells, does he start the conversation with "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Brandy, Guinness, desert wine (they make wine in the desert now?)... I'd gladly take any of that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009

Lots of nice tasting "chick crack" drinks like frangelico and "Hot Sex". There are even banana split drinks. Taste like chocolate sundaes. Might do the trick.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Alex Marvez, of FOXSports.com, reports the Baltimore Ravens will sign unrestricted free-agent WR Kelley Washington (Patriots), according to a source. The deal will be finalized Friday, May 15, pending a physical.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 13, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

odd, Micheal Silver - from Yahoo! Sports - did a piece about a year ago on the best GMs in football.

I searched around for polls, and regardless what many think of him, found his to be the most on point.

You'll be surprised where one Daniel M. "Please don't forget the 'M'" Snyder ranks.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 13, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

One of these days we are all going to get our wish and see a headline that reads “Cerrato fired as Redskins GM”.
Unfortunately it will be followed by the next days headline: “Cerrato hired as Assistant Owner; GM responsibilities to be shared between Owner and Assistant Owner”

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 13, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The potential with Dockery and Williams added to the line is something. The line will at least be stronger.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 13, 2009

barring injury ... then it could be even worst that last year.

the age of the lineman appear to exacerbate the probability and incidence of injury.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Micheal Silver - from Yahoo! Sports - did a piece about a year ago on the best GMs in football.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 13, 2009,/i>

Even more surprising was where he put Jerry Jones: in front of Snyder. Dude looks like the metro-sexual type that Snidely Owl is attracted to. Probably tunes into soap opera rebroadcasts instead of games on Sunday. Probably gets General Hospital confused with the Redskins offensive line.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Even more surprising was where he put Jerry Jones: in front of Snyder. Dude looks like the metro-sexual type that Snidely Owl is attracted to. Probably tunes into soap opera rebroadcasts instead of games on Sunday. Probably gets General Hospital confused with the Redskins offensive line.
Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 4:37 PM

Actually, Jerry is one of those fair weather owners who is down on the sidelines late in the 4th if they are winning, and hiding up in the owners box if they are losing…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 13, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"I am PENS fan! SID the KID baby!!!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse"

Disgusting! Barf! Gag!

Posted by: chrislarry | May 13, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Get outta here, Hail2theChief, you're a fan of the Pens and the Skins?! That's an unlikely combo. Please explain how this came to be.

Brandy, Guinness, desert wine (they make wine in the desert now?)... I'd gladly take any of that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

well I grew up 40 miles west of pittsburgh but my Dad was born in southern VA, and therefore a diehard Skins fan. I took on his loe of the Skins but he wasn't in to hockey so I adopted Super Mario and the Pens.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Don't be shocked when the Pens win 3-1 tonight... I'll be back tomorrow to take/distribute the abuse...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I still cant forget how Madden winced at the sight of the skins OLine up against the Ravens D. How he said over and over how obviously overmatched they were.. And you could see it.. Dockery and Williams alone are not going to "sea change" this discrepancy...It reminded me of when I watched James Madison scrimmage UVA many years ago. UVA started letting up as they were worried about hurting some of the Madison players..
..yep..still flogging this dead horse..heres the link again..
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/12/09/terrell-suggs-was-worried-for-jason-campbells-health-on-sunday/
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The potential with Dockery and Williams added to the line is something. The line will at least be stronger.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 13, 2009

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Cl - Don't waste your time up here. The CAPS need you....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

So when Vinny talks to Parcells, does he start the conversation with "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 4:26 PM

actually the conversation goes more like this

Parcells: assume the position

Cerrato: is this going to hurt

Parcells: stop crying vinny you should be used to this by now

Cerrato: what no dinner first

Parcells: Shoots and I score, Thank you, Same time next year?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 13, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Cl - Don't waste your time up here. The CAPS need you....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 13, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

There is no hope for them now. Sid the Kid is locked & loaded (Sounds like a governator movie)

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor is a shmuck. Him resigning with the Dolphins for a ton less just shows he never really wanted to be in Washington in the first place.

The Redskins may as well just gave them a pick and said "Keep Taylor, we just like giving away our picks."

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | May 13, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"There is no hope for them now. Sid the Kid is locked & loaded (Sounds like a governator movie)

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse"


Sounds like a John Holmes movie....

Posted by: chrislarry | May 13, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

locked & loaded (Sounds like a governator movie)

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 13, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse"

Sounds like a John Holmes movie....

Posted by: chrislarry | May 13, 2009 4:59 PM

No the John Holmes movie was "Cocked and Loaded."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Of course, having gotten the toddler to sleep all by myself, I now feel like the greatest man on the planet. (It doesn't take much.) No beer, no booze, no helpers whatsoever, just good old stick-to-it-iveness.

Yeah, baby! Hooray for me. Ahem.

Puck drops in less than two hours now... let's go Caps!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

watch the little tyke wake up crying at opening face off...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Of course, having gotten the toddler to sleep all by myself, I now feel like the greatest man on the planet. (It doesn't take much.) No beer, no booze, no helpers whatsoever, just good old stick-to-it-iveness.

Yeah, baby! Hooray for me. Ahem.

Puck drops in less than two hours now... let's go Caps!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 5:21 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Not my concern, SnaGM. I'll be long gone by then! Safely ensconced in one of Portland's fine sports-watching venues...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

The Tuna...

MIAMI (AP) -- Jason Taylor's newest step has him back where he started.

The 34-year-old linebacker signed a $1.5 million, one-year contract Wednesday with the Miami Dolphins, his agent said.

Posted by: ItsOver1 | May 13, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

NateinthePDX..
portland ore or portland maine

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

hey..anyone know.. Was Cody Glenn's true infraction ever revealed..?
Huskerboard.com

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 13, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

We should definitely be looking out for the Caps tonight...this is going to be an epic game.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 13, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

odd, Micheal Silver - from Yahoo! Sports - did a piece about a year ago on the best GMs in football.

I searched around for polls, and regardless what many think of him, found his to be the most on point.

You'll be surprised where one Daniel M. "Please don't forget the 'M'" Snyder ranks.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 13, 2009 4:28 PM

So Snyder ranks #3 among GMs according to Silver last year?

Well this week, SI did a rating and Mr Snyder is ranked in the bottom 3, right behind Al Davis and the Detroil Lions William Clay Ford.

Funny how people see the same things and come to nearly opposite conclusions. However, SI did describe their criteria:

SI.com identified the five best and five worst owners in each of the four major team sports. The method was not scientific but based on numerous factors, some of which are indisputable and some of which are intangible. Among the criteria used to evaluate owners was the willingness to spend money to improve the team; the stability and capabilities of the front office and management; the amenities at the team's venue; and the club's culture and interactivity with fans. Of course, weighing heavily in the decision was the team's success or failure on the field.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 13, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

odd, Micheal Silver - from Yahoo! Sports - did a piece about a year ago on the best GMs in football.

I searched around for polls, and regardless what many think of him, found his to be the most on point.

You'll be surprised where one Daniel M. "Please don't forget the 'M'" Snyder ranks.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 13, 2009 4:28 PM

THIS one by Silver is not about @ss-kissing. Mr. Silver is having these owners turn around to the front.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009 10:32 AM

I thought that Brownwood had Thought Patrol duty today, Cork. You don't think his work is adequate, or what?

Posted by: Fox_News

Go back to "talent_evaluator" before you embarrass Fox. (Tee-hee)

Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Left Vs. Right is like mind control designed by the government to keep the simple minded Americans from actually realizing we're getting screwed by all of 'em. They're all in it together. They make simple minded Americans fight over "Pro Life" and abortion, or gay marriage, while ignoring all the real issues of America.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 13, 2009 11:03 AM

The GOVERNMENT?

Puhleeze.

That;s what corporate america ants you to think...

Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

attention all supporters of fox cable news: fox cable news = fake news, closet bigot news, unable to think for yourself news! HAIL SKINS!

Posted by: jenksredskins | May 13, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

I still cant forget how Madden winced at the sight of the skins OLine up against the Ravens D. How he said over and over how obviously overmatched they were.. And you could see it.. Dockery and Williams alone are not going to "sea change" this discrepancy...

Levi Jones is still young. Signing him would make sense from a purely insurance policy perspective. I doubt they will compete with Buffalo and Tampa for his services. But, at this point it kind of makes sense.

Because there best case scenario is if Williams makes it all the way back, Rinehart decides he wants to play. Fred Davis who may be critical (he was known to be an extremely adept blocker in college) decides to play. Bridges and Burley resurrect themselves.

Finally, if that all of these amazing things happened while somehow Jansen became effective as a starting center ... now you have a line with the attitude that no one was going to ever do what the Ravens did ever again.

Its all very hypothetical and as of now, highly unlikely. They do need Levi Jones.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

That's what corporate america ants you to think...

Posted by: TheCork | May 13, 2009

Corporate America? Seems like they've been doing that for a long, long time now.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching. It unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me & the financial institutions at the rear; the latter is my greatest foe. Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed." --

President Abraham Lincoln, Nov 21, 1864

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Noting here for the record, that Abraham Lincoln was the very 1st Republican president. One who apparently despised the despotic and depraved capitalists that ran roughshod over the country. Led to the US Grant administration, the most corrupt ever. To the TeaPot dome scandal ... to the greedy corporate gangsters of today ... not all that different in how they approach things than your local drug baron.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor is a shmuck. Him resigning with the Dolphins for a ton less just shows he never really wanted to be in Washington in the first place.

The Redskins may as well just gave them a pick and said "Keep Taylor, we just like giving away our picks."

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz |

Taylor wasn't going to get paid a lot by anyone, including the Skins. My guess is he's got plenty of incentives in the deal. Besides, Taylor belongs in Fins uni, not a Skins uni.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes, we have an old line but we also have young depth that has become more acclimated to the offense, built more trust in their coaches and more than likely wants to be the guy, starting.

23 - Devin Clark, Scott Burley, Edwin Williams
24 - Chad Rinehart
25 - Stephon Heyer, R. Riley
26 - Will Montgomery
27 - D'Anthony Batiste
29 - Derrick Dockery, Mike Williams, Jeremy Bridges
*******
Free Agents that have started in 2008 season
T 77 Harris, Kwame UFA G 14 GS 11 OAK Height: 6-7 Weight: 320 Age: 27 Born: 3/15/1982 Jamaica

T 73 Jones, Adrian UFA G 11 GS 10 KC Height: 6-4 Weight: 296 Age: 27 Born: 6/10/1981 Dallas , TX

T 76 Jones, Levi UFA G 10 GS 10 CIN Height: 6-5 Weight: 307 Age: 29 Born: 8/24/1979 Eloy , AZ

G 64 Mulitalo, Edwin UFA G 11 GS 11 DET Height: 6-3 Weight: 345 Age: 34 Born: 9/1/1974 Daly City , CA

T 69 Runyan, Jon UFA G 16 GS 16 PHI Height: 6-7 Weight: 330 Age: 35 Born: 11/27/1973 Flint , MI

G 73 Simmons, Kendall UFA G 4 GS 4 PIT Height: 6-3 Weight: 315 Age: 30 Born: 3/11/1979 Ripley , MS

T 65 Tauscher, Mark UFA G 13 GS 13 GB Height: 6-3 Weight: 316 Age: 31 Born: 6/17/1977 Marshfield , WI

T 65 Whittle, Jason UFA G 9 GS 2 BUF Height: 6-4 Weight: 297 Age: 34 Born: 3/7/1975 Springfield , MO

*******
G 77 Clabo, Tyson RFA G 16 GS 16 ATL Height: 6-6 Weight: 332 Age: 27 Born: 10/17/1981 Knoxville , TN

G 69 Wragge, Tony RFA G 16 GS 10 SF Height: 6-4 Weight: 310 Age: 29 Born: 8/14/1979 Creighton , NM

Until June there doesn't seem to be much picking outside of the Skins org.

Posted by: fwroy | May 13, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Parcells really does know how to give that knife one last twist, doesn't he? Tuna, heck, he's a shark and Vinny was chum in the JT deal. Nothing against Taylor but I hope he earns a valuable role in the Miami defense right up until the start of the season when his knee goes "boink".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 13, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Yet another Republican president warns against our current situation, exacerbated by one of the worst republican presidents in the history of that political office.


Until the latest of our world conflicts (World War II/Korea), the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

Dwight D. Eisenhower

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Dwight was before my time and I'm an old coot.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 13, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Free Agents that have started in 2008 season
T 77 Harris, Kwame UFA G 14 GS 11 OAK Height: 6-7 Weight: 320 Age: 27 Born: 3/15/1982 Jamaica

T 73 Jones, Adrian UFA G 11 GS 10 KC Height: 6-4 Weight: 296 Age: 27 Born: 6/10/1981 Dallas , TX

T 76 Jones, Levi UFA G 10 GS 10 CIN Height: 6-5 Weight: 307 Age: 29 Born: 8/24/1979 Eloy , AZ,

Levi Jones will be signed. He is very highly regarded. Kwami Harris may be worth a look as much as Robert Thomas. He played for the Raiders the worst run organization in the league, on par with the Lions, the Cowboys, and the Redskins.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to mention the 49'ers who are now terrible thanks to their new owner deferring to her husband. Seems a bit like the godfather movie with Talia Shire and her husband. Maybe Edward DiBartolo will put the hit on him from jail.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Dwight was before my time and I'm an old coot.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 13, 2009

And Lincoln? He goes way back ...

In any case it does appear that the better presidents, the one's who actually care, appear to be quite good at predicting dire events that could occur in the future in speeches. Some turn out to be quite profound.

I rather doubt that description will ever be applied to the son of George Herbert Bush.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

3-0 Penguins. Didn't the Caps know that tonight is game 7?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

4-0 Penguins. Time to watch American Idol.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Just say no to Kwame Harris.

Guy is a disaster on the field. He's played (have to use that term loosely) in the Bay Area. I think he was the most despised player on SF.

When he went to Oakland, no one could figure out why the Raiders would even consider him. After a year in Oakland, he's done there. I wouldn't be surprised if no one signs him again. Ever. He's that bad.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

So much for an epic game 7. Not sure if this was posted but Cooley interview on nfl.com. He had a chat on there too.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8104903b/Cooley-on-the-Skins

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 13, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Appears the Caps players borrowed Fred Davis's alarm clock

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

4-0 Penguins. Time to watch American Idol.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

So, Bill O'Reilly it is then!

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 13, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

One down. Four to go.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 13, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Why am I not surprised that talent evaluator knows the title of a John Holmes movie.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 13, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

If we're down by two after three, do we still get to play OT?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 13, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Just curious. the poll at the top suggests 85% of the people think we won't have the worst OL in the NFC East. Could someone answer, who's line is gonna be worse?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

4-0 Penguins. Time to watch American Idol.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 8:08 PM
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Don't Wanna Be An American Idiot.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 13, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Why am I not surprised that talent evaluator knows the title of a John Holmes movie.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 13, 2009 8:48 PM |

Dood -- I was his stunt double.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Just curious. the poll at the top suggests 85% of the people think we won't have the worst OL in the NFC East. Could someone answer, who's line is gonna be worse?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 8:59 PM |

I think you're reading it wrong. The poll says that 85% of the people DO have something more to say. That's what we came here for -- to say something.

Of course 3700 came here and only about 150 of us actually said something so maybe the 3550 others have something to say but just can't articulate it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm blaming the Caps loss on FAUX N00ZE, I mean t_e.

Dammit, d00d!1
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 13, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

From previous thread:

Campbell IS a young quarterback, but the "in this league" tag isn't exactly accurate. Due to the change of systems/coaches during his tenure, he hasn't had the true experience of a seasoned quarterback yet. IMHO, I don't think that giving him just this season to prove his mettle is enough. He's shown enough smarts (see 6 INT last season) in his decision making, as well as the physical tools (25 yard out pattern), to justify a real shot at proving himself, he just needs to build a relationship with his players and play callers. Naysayers can point to Atlanta last year all they want, or Baltimore for that matter. Those results are not common, and only time will tell whether or not those two QBs can be considered NFL elite.

leevi98,
How do you know that Zorn was not wanting Cutler or Sanchez?

It's become much like the vaunted 700 page playbook--Zorn has said time and again that it took Hasselbeck in Seattle 3-4 years to pick up the system and accept Zorn's technique and decision making preferences. Why would he want to start over when his job depends on QB results?

And by depend I mean he WILL be fired after/during this year if he doesn't make the playoffs at the very least, maybe take his team past the 1st round.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 13, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Just curious. the poll at the top suggests 85% of the people think we won't have the worst OL in the NFC East. Could someone answer, who's line is gonna be worse?

Posted by: zcezcest1

Hopefully the iggles...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 13, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Ha!! This is the poll on the Eagles website:

Who Is The Top Competition In Division?
Cowboys - 4.9%
Giants - 68.8%
Redskins - 6.7%
All teams are equally dangerous - 19.6%

Stupid gints...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 13, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

6 frigging goals. Of course, I blame you guys.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

alex

"...Still don't get why the team did not try and resign Taylor for less..."


You don't 'get it' because from Jason Taylor's p.o.v., it wasn't about money.

To be blunt, he saw in the redskins' FO everything we mock in post after post after post.

And a veteran guy looking at the HOF may not want to end his career in a Bruce Smith-lite manner.

Plus, truth be told: from the look of it, which team looks like it's putting its pieces together in the right way--the fins who are building via the front lines or the skins who are building via big money name players and free agent journeymen offensive players?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 13, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

6 frigging goals. Of course, I blame you guys.

Posted by: dcsween | May 13, 2009 9:37 PM

Right, because we all had the Caps and five goals. Most of us are rich now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

alex

"...Still don't get why the team did not try and resign Taylor for less..."


You don't 'get it' because from Jason Taylor's p.o.v., it wasn't about money.

To be blunt, he saw in the redskins' FO everything we mock in post after post after post.

And a veteran guy looking at the HOF may not want to end his career in a Bruce Smith-lite manner.

Plus, truth be told: from the look of it, which team looks like it's putting its pieces together in the right way--the fins who are building via the front lines or the skins who are building via big money name players and free agent journeymen offensive players?

Posted by: MistaMoe

well that and we didn't even have the cap room to keep Demetric Evans. Taylor's base may be low, but I'm betting he's got plenty of incentives

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Taylor's base may be low, but I'm betting he's got plenty of incentives

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 9:57 PM |

Like they're going to pay him $200,000 to participate in the OTA's?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

We skins fans need to man up: you know like I do Jason Taylor took a blunt professional look at the redskin team's prospects and decided he rather be on a mediocre fins squad that's playing in the sunshine in December rather than going 8-8 at WTF Field in the cold of January.

He wasn't chasing a record like B Smith, so why hang around with the skins? Money ain't a thing as the Taylor has a career in media waiting for him.

He has HOF numbers and celebrity: so why get caught up the Raljon County madness when what Parcells offers is deep playoff runs and common sense?

The skins got stiffed and jobbed out of draf picks. It was a bad and dumb-a$$ed move on the redskins' part.

Deal with it, y'all.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 13, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Crap.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that since reports indicated up to 12 teams were interesed in Tayor, including NE, that the choice was primarily about being close to his family in Miami. Plus Miami was a playoff team last year so it was not like he was going back to a bottom rung team.

Posted by: lifelongfan | May 13, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Crap.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:08 PM |

As in "Washington Craps"?

You must have been the last one to leave the Verizon Center. Everyone else was streaming out after what they just called on Fox News "the second quarter."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

According to PFT, Taylor's incentives could total $400,000

Posted by: lifelongfan | May 13, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

As in Caps, Zim, the fact that we still don't have a o-line solution and our owner is still a fool.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 13, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Everyone else was streaming out after what they just called on Fox News "the second quarter."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 13, 2009 10:13 PM
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There you go again.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 13, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Starting to get a little sick of Pittsburgh fans. Steeler fans are annoyingly everywhere, a close 2nd to Dallas fans. That was OK, until every Steeler fan thought it was classy/sportsman-like to bring their yellow towels to our stadium on Monday night last year. Not cool. Most will agree the Steelers game with the beginning of the end for the Skins season.

And now the Penguins knock the Caps out of the playoffs.

Suuuure see lots of Penguin fans all of the sudden.

So here's my question to the so called loyal and die-hard Pittsburgh sports fans:
WHY DON'T WE SEE ANY PITTSBURGH PIRATES FANS???

Posted by: jgarrisn | May 13, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, I called Taylor going to the Pats. Made that call back in January, when everything was supposedly just fine here in DC. If he had done that, I woulda been unbearable.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 13, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

jgarrisn, let's face it, Pens fans love when their team visits the Caps. And with good reason. I've been to a few Pens games in DC over the years and have always seen great visiting fan turnouts. Same as with the Rangers and Flyers. Ugh.

And let's face facts: the Pens own the Caps in the playoffs. You say "and now the Penguins knock the Caps out of the playoffs" as if it's never happened before. It has. Freakin' brutal. I hate it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 13, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Larry in Clinton, I will respectfully disagree with your statement because i have seen my scenario in practice as well. So i will leave the subject alone.

Respectfully and still Great,
GreatOne1

P.s. your welcome

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 13, 2009 1:19 PM

GreatOne1,

I respect your decision to respectfully disagree. Sorry to respond back till now. But, I have one question for.

What would be the reason for the glaring ineffectiveness of the O-Line, the weak penalties, and the propensity to make mistakes at critical points in the game?

I say the answer is surely not competition from the backups in which I recommend to get this O-Line to championship form.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 13, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

When will people ever realize that Hockey is not a major sport any more (like it ever was). The major sports in order of importance to most of the country are:
NFL, NCAA Football, NCAA Basketball, MLB, NASCAR, NBA, ..... blind-womens billards, and final NHL.

Good ridence to the CAPS for 2009!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Deadfish | May 13, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Do you think that Taylor might have been convinced to be a Double Agent from the get go by Parcells and it all was a ruse.

Can't put nothing by Parcells.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 13, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

When will people ever realize that Hockey is not a major sport any more (like it ever was). The major sports in order of importance to most of the country are:
NFL, NCAA Football, NCAA Basketball, MLB, NASCAR, NBA, ..... blind-womens billards, and finally NHL.

Good ridannce to the CAPS for 2009!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Deadfish | May 13, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Good ridannce to the CAPS for 2009!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Deadfish | May 13, 2009 11:25 PM | ==================================================

Go sleep with the crayfishes.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 13, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

We skins fans need to man up: you know like I do Jason Taylor took a blunt professional look at the redskin team's prospects and decided he rather be on a mediocre fins squad that's playing in the sunshine in December rather than going 8-8 at WTF Field in the cold of January.

Unfortunately a truism if I ever read one. Kind of like Texiera's thoughts when it came time to consider the Nationals as a potential employer.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Caps need to go some of the Russian women dating sites. Bring some over here to be the Caps cheerleaders. Mebbe they will inspire them to get past teams like the Pittsburgh Tennessee Tuxedo's.

Posted by: periculum | May 14, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Deadfish,

You're an idiot and you have no idea what you're talking about. Your facts are all wrong beginning with your rankings (lets start with NCAA basketball 3rd-this isn't the 1980's moron) and ending with your opinion about hockey. The sport is trending up both locally and nationally. Attendance is up locally and nationally and the TV ratings are up both locally and nationally. Game 6 drew Monday Night Football like ratings on CSN (non Skins game).
They will never touch the Skins in popularity (however, if we as fans had some sense they would) but the other teams in town are a different story. ESPN already proclaimed the Caps as the second most popular team in DC and they may be right.

Posted by: croftonpost | May 14, 2009 2:51 AM | Report abuse

talenteval: "This place is so predictable"

I knew you were going to say that.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 14, 2009 6:38 AM | Report abuse

I had a dream....

No, a nightmare.....

But it looked and felt real..

Did anyone else have the same one. I had around 7pm last night and it didn't end until 10pm. Something about pengiuns attacking a phone booth....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 6:55 AM | Report abuse

I had a dream....

No, a nightmare.....

But it looked and felt real..

Did anyone else have the same one. I had around 7pm last night and it didn't end until 10pm. Something about pengiuns attacking a phone booth....

Posted by: 4thFloor

I had that same nighmare 4th. Caps did not come to play.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | May 14, 2009 7:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm saying even with a rejuvinated and six-pack WILLIAMS, this o-line will be no better than average. That may be good enough however for the team to do better than expectations.

The passing game will HAVE to flourish however. CAMPBELL will have to let the ball go as he's backpetaling because of the d-line pressure if the o-line is less than average.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 14, 2009 7:53 AM | Report abuse

It just goes to show you, how stupid our front office is, with Jason Taylor signing for 1 mil. when we were going to give him 8.5 mil. It just never ends with the dynamic duo!

Posted by: joeboggs | May 14, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Fellows:

What irritates about the Jason Taylor signing is that it was made without an assessment about how he fit into the skins' scheme.

If he wants to be a dolphin in a stadium named after a shark and bad beer, well, let him go for it.

Don't hate his game, hate the burgandy 'n gold playa who got tricked into trading for a guy who didn't promise to be around for the long run.

Simply put: the team gave up picks of value--the second rounder we definately could've used--to add a defensive guy who got crushed by NFC East o-lineman and didn't have a discernable role.

The irritation worsens when you think outside of your happiness about Prince Albert--will he fit into what Blache calls?

Will his desire to attack, free lance, and attempts at blowing up plays in the backfield cause some other issue in the defensive scheme?

When you look hard at the Taylor signing, you wonder if the same thoughtlessness is behind the Haynesworth addition, which may mean bringing in Prince Al might be another form of clueless FO subtraction.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe you bring up great points. However, the coaches has to take some blame as well. If you have a guy that can make plays and change the out come of games. You put him in the best possible position to be successful. Even if it means changing up your scheme a little. Good coaches know that.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | May 14, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

When you look hard at the Taylor signing, you wonder if the same thoughtlessness is behind the Haynesworth addition, which may mean bringing in Prince Al might be another form of clueless FO subtraction.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 8:18 AM

That's the principle reason I think it won't work...this FO sees a productive player with name recognition and take NO account into whether that production would translate into the same production in the Redskins' system. This system isn't too far off of what they do in Tennessee (Gregg Williams installed the defense in both places), but they way they use Haynesworth is very different. Blache seems to be less ego than Greggggg, but I can't help but think this thing ends the same way LaVar's tenure here did.

And too bad the Crapitals couldn't pull it off last night...the whole reason you play for home ice is so you get Game 7 at home if necessary. Totally screwed it up. Hopefully the Wiz get the 1st overall pick and get Blake Griffin so SOMEBODY in this town wins something!

But then again, they'll probably end up with like the 4th pick or Griffin turns out to be Greg Oden 2.0...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

icetotalpackage

"...the coaches has to take some blame as well..."

The coaches or the owner?

I mean, the essential reason behind having a strong general manager is that you have a guy who knows when to tell the coaches, "You want this expensive guy when the team overall could use these younger, cheaper guys as they can play a variety of positions."

And so far, the owner of the redskins feels the team can do without a general manager.

I guess the redskins FO is sort of like a house of reckless teenagers who say, "Why do we need a belt swinging dad to interrupt our fun? We can make our decisions without someone around to say, no, don't do that, that's stupid."

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

"The major sports in order of importance to most of the country are:
NFL, NCAA Football, NCAA Basketball, MLB, NASCAR, NBA, ..... blind-womens billards, and final NHL.

Good ridence to the CAPS for 2009!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Deadfish "

Right and wrong!

In order :

NFL
NCAA Football
NCAA Basketball
NBA
MLB


the rest don't matter

NASCAR over NBA? Gimme a break! And I'M the one that's from South Carolina!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Why do we need a belt swinging dad to interrupt our fun? We can make our decisions without someone around to say, no, don't do that, that's stupid."
Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 8:36 AM

Good point. If you gave teenage boys all the money they want, the keys to the Porsche, the yacht and the liquor cabinet you'd wind up with what the Redskins have:
instability, poor decisions, reckless waste of resources, no discipline, iffy future at best, and hot cheerleaders.

Posted by: will_ga | May 14, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

From SI, regarding Andre Smith:

Two days after firing his second set of representatives, Bengals offensive tackle Andre Smith has decided to return to Priority Sports.

A source close to Smith said the sixth pick in this year's draft will submit paperwork today restoring Priority Sports as his representation. This comes two days after he filed paperwork with the Players Association terminating his agreement with the company.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

We skins fans need to man up: you know like I do Jason Taylor took a blunt professional look at the redskin team's prospects and decided he rather be on a mediocre fins squad that's playing in the sunshine in December rather than going 8-8 at WTF Field in the cold of January.

Unfortunately a truism if I ever read one. Kind of like Texiera's thoughts when it came time to consider the Nationals as a potential employer.

Posted by: periculum | May 13, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

According to reports, JT turned down a better offer from the Patriots to sign with Miami. Since the NE might be the favorite in the AFC with a healthy Brady, this suggests that it wasn't the respective teams' prospects for next year that Taylor was looking at, but location, and perhaps familiarity with the franchise.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 14, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Major Sports??????

In order :

NFL (ya', sure)
NCAA Football (ya', sure)
NCAA Basketball (hahahahahahaha---NO!!!)
NBA (the second round of the playoffs, ya' sure)
MLB (third place, though I love the sport)


The NFL is the KING of sports like T.I. is the king of southern rap.

College Football needs a playoff system and should give up the pretense of student athletes so a guy can go to college and study and train to become a pro fottball player.

College Basketball is overrated. I can't remember who won the Final Fo' and don't care. I can't name a single good college basketball player as I'd take a slow-footed, good passing, jump shot making European guy over any of them on any day.

The NBA plays too many games to be relevant. They should go back to the shorter first round playoffs (5 games, not 7).

The only thing I know about NASCAR is that it, well ,is, well, er, hummmm, ahh, is more interesting than college basketball.

Which ain't saying much.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

"The NFL is the KING of sports like T.I. is the king of southern rap."


LMFAO @ TI being the king of southern rap.

Ain't no way.

Pastor Troy
Luda
UGK
Devin The Dude
Chamillionaire

all as good if not better

but the REAL King of Southern rap

is Facemob aka Scarface

Scarface's discography >>>>>>> TI's discorgaphy

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"I can't name a single good college basketball player as I'd take a slow-footed, good passing, jump shot making European guy over any of them on any day."

Micheal Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Carmelo Anthony, Oscar Robertson, etc.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

hey WHO WAS THE BUTTCLOWN TALKING ABOUT HE'D TAKE DWIGHT HOWARD OVER LEBRON JAMES!?!

LMAO

Dwight Howard won't ever win a Finals, Lebron will win multiple and might even surpass Jordan. Good luck with DHOWARD!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

"The major sports in order of importance to most of the country are:
NFL, NCAA Football, NCAA Basketball, MLB, NASCAR, NBA

NFL-King of all sports
NCAA Football-Prince of all sports
MLB-not what it used to be but stil matters
NBA-attendance is surprisingly strong
Nascar-Dying a slow death
NCAA Basketball-wildly popular for one month. Until March, who cares?
NHL-Awesome spectator sport. Lame on tv.


Posted by: will_ga | May 14, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Nascar-Dying a slow death

um....in a recessionary economy, still averaging over 100,000 per race, and take a look at their TV ratings....your statement couldn't be further from the truth.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

This dude really lit into the Skins. And he's not even part of the Post! lol

Washington Redskins Final Draft Report Card

By Tom Marino
Lead NFL Analyst
Posted May 12, 2009


Per usual the Skins came up empty with all three 2nd rd selections, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Fred Davis and only 7th rd pick, Chris Horton, made any significant contribution. Rinehart, Tryon, Moore, Brennan and Jackson remain on the roster of a club that places no priority on the process.


Washington Redskins Grade -D
NO RD Name Pos School HT WT 40 Grade 13 1 Orakpo, Brian DE Texas 6030v 263v 4.66v 1.121
80 3 Barnes, Kevin DC Maryland 6002v 187v 4.49v 1.442
158 5 Glenn, Cody RB Nebraska 6000v 244v 4.69v 1.900
186 6 Henson, Robert LB TCU 6001v 240v 4.76v 1.800
221 7 Williams, Eddie TE Idaho 6011v 239v 4.78v 1.900
243 7 Mitchell, Marko WR Nevada-Reno 6036v 218v 4.45v 1.620

The selection of Brian Orakpo was a no brainer at the 13th spot, but beyond that selection, I believe the Skins did their usual ready, shoot and aim type of player draft. Kevin Barnes at three (he doesn't make a lot of plays on the football) and Marco Mitchell seven are size speed players and certainly worth the gamble, but I beginning to think that are guys in the Nation's Capital (take your pick) just don't get it.

FRANCHISE PICK: N/A
QUICKEST TO START: Orakpo, Brian
FASTEST TO PRO BOWL: Orakpo, Brian
BEST IN 3 YEARS: Orakpo, Brian
OVERRATED: Glenn, Cody
UNDERRATED: Marko Mitchell
PROJECT: Eddie Williams
BEST COLLEGE F.A.: John Halman (WR)
TOP TALENT SCOUT: Joel Patten
HUH?: Glenn, Cody

Posted by: ga8085 | May 14, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

The truth, Pimp C said it best...

Atlanta ain't southern rap. They're on the East Coast. They're on Eastern Standard Time.

And Luda sucks. Got out of here with the commercial crap....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

NASCAR is a "sport" (game) for the proles. Let 'em think it's important.

MLB is slowly creeping to that level. Unmentionably boring.

NFL is the king of all American sports.

NCAA BB is right behind, though declining.

NBA BB is slightly behind that, but will surpass NCAA BB in coming years.

NCAA FB is a combo sport for proles and NFL draft purists. Uninteresting on a standalone level.

NHL is by far the most entertaining live sport, hindered by television production. On the rise.

MLS is nearly unwatchable, unless live.

Champions League is the worldwide NCAA tournament, only on a world-class professional level.

The World Cup (and qualifying) is the king of all sports, hands down. The epitome of competition.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

You know you will be hammered for those last 2 statements. I've never heard of a Champions League, but I'll assume you're talking about soccer (based on past convos). And the World Cup only gets play because so many countries are involved....

And you forgot about Rugby and Austrailian Rules Footbal. Which I would rank above NASCAR, Soccer, and MLB......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

hey WHO WAS THE BUTTCLOWN TALKING ABOUT HE'D TAKE DWIGHT HOWARD OVER LEBRON JAMES!?!

LMAO

Dwight Howard won't ever win a Finals, Lebron will win multiple and might even surpass Jordan. Good luck with DHOWARD!

Posted by: TheTruth11

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Wow, jumping on Lebron's jock after defeating the mighty Atlanta Hawks. Bear in mind this is exactly what I said would happen. He beats weaker teams handily. He does not do the same with the other top 3 (Lakers, Celtics, and Magic). However, he may luck out with getting the Celtics without Garnett. He won't get past the Magic though, should they advance, nor the Lakers, should he get Boston in the ECF.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

TheTruth

Ahem:
"...Micheal Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Carmelo Anthony, Oscar Robertson..."


All of these dudes played college basketball when college basketball was worth watching.

Give up our list of college basketball players from the past ten years who are worth watching and compare it to this list on non-college playing and European/Global players:

Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Dirk Nowitski, Manu Ginobelli, Tony Parker, LeBron James, Dwight Howard, etc.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

You're putting Rugby over MLB? Rugby? Rugby is nothing more than the name of a preppy guy's dog.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Nascar-Dying a slow death
um....in a recessionary economy, still averaging over 100,000 per race, and take a look at their TV ratings....your statement couldn't be further from the truth.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I think ratings have dropped. Have you seen all those empty seats on tv? My concern is not with fan interest tho. I still enjoy it and most I know do. But I'm a little worried about the Nationwide and truck series struggling with sponsorship-no decals=no money= no competition= bad future. The start and park issue is a joke. I just think Nascar has competitive issues that are not going away anytime soon and without better decision making by those in charge it could be a problem.

Posted by: will_ga | May 14, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

hey WHO WAS THE BUTTCLOWN TALKING ABOUT HE'D TAKE DWIGHT HOWARD OVER LEBRON JAMES!?!

LMAO

Dwight Howard won't ever win a Finals, Lebron will win multiple and might even surpass Jordan. Good luck with DHOWARD!

Posted by: TheTruth11

yea, that does sounds pretty silly, I agree Truth.

Hey, anybody recall who was the "buttclown" who picked Portland to make the NBA finals?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | May 14, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Scarface's discography >>>>>>> TI's discorgaphy

Truth,

Scarface just doesn't work for me.

And I can't stop listening to Urban Legend: "ASAP," "Motivation," "Get Loose," "You don't know me," are some tight joints.

Paper Trail is a commercial rap album, but hey: how can a guy boast about stacking dollas if he ain't making them?

There ain't nothing wrong with a rapper making money just like there's nothing wrong with football players getting paid.

The rap game is a business. Let a guy make some money as "..money is what makes the world go round, you got to believe it..": Common

BTW: When was Scarface's last hit anyways?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"And the World Cup only gets play because so many countries are involved...."

There are only 32 countries (i.e. teams) playing in the World Cup finals (meaning the actual tournament following qualifying). 200+ nations follow it religiously.

And the reason it gets "play" is because:

(1) there is no pressure like there is in the WC. It comes around once every 4 years. Nothing else compares, except the Olympics, where the glory is spread around hundreds of different events. Most players get 1 or 2 shots to prove themselves their entire career in the WC. And all eyes are on one singular goal.

And

(2) because it's the only sport, other than the Olympics, that's played purely for the competition. It's all pride. Nobody is playing for money. And unlike something like Olympic basketball, the World Cup is THE pinnacle of your career. Nobody would ever dream of turning down a WC invitation in soccer, as many players do in basketball and other sports. Everything you do leads up to that moment.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Dirk Nowitski, Manu Ginobelli, Tony Parker, LeBron James, Dwight Howard, etc.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Shaquille O'Neal, Chris Paul, Tim Duncan, Deron Williams, Dwyane Wade, Brandon Roy, Chris Bosh, Steve Nash, and the next in line, Derrick Rose, etc.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

If that dude is gonna blast the Skins draft, at least get the facts straight - Cody Glenn is an LB, not an RB

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | May 14, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Rugby is nothing more than the name of a preppy guy's dog.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 10:00 AM

SMACK - I watch on ESPNU waay more then I watch our (or my) Nationals. I only watch Nats when trying to go to sleep. In rugby, some of those dudes are heavy hitters...

I call rugby, (real) Football's 3rd cousin...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

croftonpost:
I understand that after repeated blows to the head you probably take a while to understand things so I will type sllooowwwlllyyy. I was speaking nationally. My rankings were slightly tongue and cheek(that neans funny IE Blind basketball), but basically correct. According to ESPN's survey:


Football was first.

Baseball was second.

Basketball was third.
Those were followed by college football, college basketball, then NASCAR, which had something like 2.2 percent of the population. NASCAR is the biggest sport in certain areas, e.g. in Daytona and Alabama.


Although my estimates of NCAA football and basketball were slightly off the point was correct. HARDLY ANYBODY CARES ABOUT HOCKEY!!!!!

Posted by: Deadfish | May 14, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

The rap game is a business. Let a guy make some money as "..money is what makes the world go round, you got to believe it..": Common

BTW: When was Scarface's last hit anyways?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 10:07 AM


Moe, slow down, dude. Why you knocking Face? He has over 10 albums. He distributes on an Independent label know where you can sale less because they get a bigger profit margin per each sold record. He had an album last year.

AND, Face had a song called 'Money Makes the World Go 'Round' waay before your Common qoute even existed....

(Money makes the world go 'round. Money makes for all the things I do. Hang wit my people, smoke w##d and drink brew. Round down Belford one deep with no crew.)

Oh yeah, Face is the BEST in the South. Top 3 all time.

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

psps23

Shaquille O'Neal, Chris Paul, Tim Duncan, Deron Williams, Dwyane Wade, Brandon Roy, Chris Bosh, Steve Nash, and the next in line, Derrick Rose, etc.


Bro', why put me out like that? :))))))

Yeah, I know, they all played college ball.

And I watched them, too.

Point-taken.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Crofton was right. College basketball is not third. I've seen the numbers and they are as follows:

NFL
NCAA football
MLB
NASCAR
NBA
College basketball
NHL

College basketball has been dying ever since the players started routinely leaving after their freshman year. Fans just don't get the time to identify with them anymore as they did with Ewing, Bias, etc.
It was also correct that the NHL is gaining in popularity. There was another poll that asked the fans which sport could you absolutely not live without if you could only choose one. The NHL finished ahead of the NBA in that poll.

Posted by: blackandred777 | May 14, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Yea Moe, your point has essentially become moot regardless. No high school players allowed in the NBA anymore. Gotta pass through the college ranks first.

The real difference between the NBA and NCAA BB is the crowd. In the NBA you have older, professional, "proper" crowds. In the NCAA, don't even need to explain. That's what really makes the difference. If the Wizards could get that Red Army to the VC for their games, the NBA would look a LOT different for casual observers.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

4thfloor

"...Oh yeah, Face is the BEST in the South. Top 3 all time...."

Got a southern rapper who gets no props: Luther Campbell.

I was listening to some tracks from As Nasty As they Wanna Be ("Me So Horny" "Doo-Doo Brown")and realized the guy was doing strip club, bass heavy, syncopated snare-drum beats and nasty rhymes way before southern rap even had a title.

Now: most kids dance (girls especially) dance in clubs the way a guy once had to tip for from a scrippa.

You can basically get a lap dance for free on the dance floor with the right kind of girl backin' that thang up on you real proper-like.

Before Luke's music got popular, no one danced that way. Now, it is what a dude/female expect in dancing when they hit the club floor.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Scarface is a rat...

No thanks. Was good 10-15 years ago, now not so much.

Truth, have you actually heard any of his recent stuff lately?
-----------------------------------
Best sports: NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, and thats it.

For all the MLB haters, you don't understand the mental aspect of baseball. When I was younger I hated baseball, but as I get older I value wisdom more than energy and strength, and baseball is the ultimate cerebal sport.

Soccer bores me more than baseball.

Yeah I know, "But, Red, it's played all over the world", "It's the fastest growing sport in the US", "Blah, blah, blah..."

If they weren't running up and down the field constantly kicking the ball without any purpose maybe they'd overcome the insurmountable 'one, nil' deficit -- or better yet, put ONE damn goal on the board. It can't be done becasue by the time they're finished running around like a bunch of coked up hamsters, they're too tired to put the ball through the goal.

Isn't the goal eight YARDS wide, and eight feet tall?

Soccer = NSCAR = Watching paint dry on a wall on a rainy day

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Sports ranks are subjective as all get out.

Here is my opinion in order of what I would like to watch.

NFL (TV no 1)
MLB (Live no 2)
NCAA-FB
NCAA-Hoops
NBA
NHL
AFL
MLS
F1
NASCAR
CFL
Lacrosse
WNBA

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

You are crazy if you think the Magic beat Cleveland. They are like Duke of the NBA. Rely way too much on hitting 3's and are soft when the game is on the line. Lakers, Nuggets and Cleveland are clearly the 3 best teams left. Boston would be right with them with a healthy Garnett. Gotta respect the way they keep playing. Should be a good finals regardless of who Cleveland gets. Sorry for hoop on Skins blog but since there isn't anything going on and Jasno is on his month(s) long hiatus why not.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 14, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

*cerebral

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Let's see, rap music, fox news and a belt swingin' dad - sounds like all the elements of a great sit com

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 14, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse


If that dude is gonna blast the Skins draft, at least get the facts straight - Cody Glenn is an LB, not an RB

Posted by: Notorious_LMG

Yes, and in September he'll be a proud new Walmart employee.

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

just asking here but:

why apologize for talking about another sport on a 'skins blog?

i mean, is it really that serious?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Red - It is a jailable offense. But only between the months of August and 1st week of February.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

If I was at the Jason Taylor welcome back to Miami Press conference, my question would be:

"Tell us the 7,500,000 reasons why you prefer Miami over Washington DC?"

Redskin Salary '09 (defaulted) $9,000,000 (incl workout bonus)
Miami Salary '09 $1,500.000

Dude is either a very VERY good Daddy, or really REALLY hated playing for the Redskins and/or their defensive scheme.

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"but as I get older I value wisdom more than energy and strength, and baseball is the ultimate cerebal sport."

Red, is that a serious comment? Maybe I am lacking in understanding, but to me, the only admirable position in baseball is the pitcher and possibly catcher. Other than that, there is no thinking, especially in comparison to dynamic free-flowing sports like soccer, basketball, and hockey. You've essentially got every play scripted in your mind prior to the pitch. The hitter knows the spots where he wants to put it. The fielders know how and where to react, depending on the hit, before the pitch is made. IMO, it's the ultimate mindless sport. At least in the other sports, you've got to think on the fly.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

So when I'm getting freaked in the club I have Luther Campbell and his music to thank for that?

That's what's up!

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I know, "But, Red, it's played all over the world", "It's the fastest growing sport in the US", "Blah, blah, blah..."
Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Red but MMA is the fastest growing sport in the US today...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"This dude really lit into the Skins. And he's not even part of the Post! lol Washington Redskins Final Draft Report Card By Tom Marino Lead NFL Analyst Posted May 12, 2009"

Just for fun, thought I'd check out who he is. Turns out he was a national/regional scout for the Rams from 2000- June 2006. The Rams usually have a lot of picks, including some high ones. Here's how they did during the last two years Marino was there.

2006: 10 picks, incl 1, 2, three 3's, 2 4s. How they performed in 2008:
1. Tye Hill; 8 g, 20 tackles, 0 INTs
2. Joe Klopfenstein: 10g, 11 rec, 0TDs
3. Claude Wroten: 0g
3. Alson: now with Oakland
3. Byrd: now with AZ
4. Adeyanju: 16 g, 9 starts
The other four picks are with other teams or out of the league.
Success rate: 40% still with team. No full-time starters.

2005: also 10 picks, incl two 3's & 2 4's:
1. Barron: 15 starts
2. Bartell: 16 starts
3. Atogwe: 16 starts
3. Incognito: 15 starts
4. Carter - to Dallas
4. Terrell - OOL
5. Collins- OOL
6. Ridgeway - OOL
7 Hodges: with Jets
7. Hedgecock: with Giants

Success rate: 40% still with team. 4 full-time starters.

So the Rams did somewhat worse than expected in terms of players sticking on the roster, but did get 4 full-time starters, all from the 05 class. The Rams' defense finished 28th in the NFL and the offense came in 27th.

Maybe I'll pour a few grains of salt on this guy's opinions in future.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 14, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV
I agree.
Football is a great game and I get syced for Sundays, I prep what I am gonna drink and eat, even what jersey I will wear while sitting on my couch.

But...As far as being near perfectly set up I think MLB is farther along (aside from the roids).

For me there is no more pleasurable experience then walking down the street to Nat's park in my cap and Senators shirt, getting a few drinks, a five guys burger and a Ben's half smoke. I go on my own, you always end up talking with strangers anyway. Just talking baseball. Sun is warm. It is perfect.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Lakers, Nuggets and Cleveland are clearly the 3 best teams left.

I hope the Nuggets get past LA just so that f'ed up looking Birdman can keep playing!

Posted by: will_ga | May 14, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"You are crazy if you think the Magic beat Cleveland. They are like Duke of the NBA. Rely way too much on hitting 3's and are soft when the game is on the line."

Except they have THE best defensive player, and more importantly, the best INTERIOR defensive player in the league. The only guy that can match Lebron James when he hits the hole. And that's the key, and the major reason why Lebron struggled against Orlando in the reg season.

A lot of Orlando's troubles can be attributed to Stan Van Gundy. He's an awful pressure-situation coach. Yes, they rely a lot on 3s, but many times that's because Van Gundy refuses to get the ball to Howard down low.

Just watch. If Orlando escapes Boston, which they may not, you'll be surprised at how well Orlando matches up with Cleveland.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Since some point out spelling and grammatical errors and cry about stuff on here on a regular basis yeah I'd say some do take it pretty seriously. Not myself and apparently not you red. Just asking why the f you care since it was not a heartfelt apology for doing something like punching you or kicking your dog.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 14, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"Wow, jumping on Lebron's jock after defeating the mighty Atlanta Hawks. Bear in mind this is exactly what I said would happen. He beats weaker teams handily. He does not do the same with the other top 3 (Lakers, Celtics, and Magic). However, he may luck out with getting the Celtics without Garnett. He won't get past the Magic though, should they advance, nor the Lakers, should he get Boston in the ECF.

Posted by: psps23 "

1) I said before the post season started that the Lebrons would win it all over either New Orleans or Portland. Obviously I was wrong about the West, but I'm not crying that I got second place wrong. And I'm no Cleveland fan, it's just obvious. PS GO BOBCATS


and 2) To RedDMV, did you call Scarface a rat, meaning a snitch? Or a rat meaning a crappy rapper? Either way is wrong, but if you meant snitch, and you're comparing Scarface and TI, why don't you have a look at TI's crime compared to TI's sentence.

A convicted felon getting multiple gun charges, automatic weapons and all, and he serves what, just over a year in prison? And you wanna talk about snitches? lol

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Really psps23? No thinking in baseball other than what pitch to throw? Surely you can’t be that closed minded…..? There is so much freakin’ strategy that goes on in each game that it is too much for me to list. Bottom line, there are better managers than others, and the good managers are the guys who routinely get their teams to div titles, world series, etc….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

If Orlando escapes Boston

Not.

Gonna.

Happen.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"Except they have THE best defensive player, and more importantly, the best INTERIOR defensive player in the league. The only guy that can match Lebron James when he hits the hole. And that's the key, and the major reason why Lebron struggled against Orlando in the reg season.

A lot of Orlando's troubles can be attributed to Stan Van Gundy. He's an awful pressure-situation coach. Yes, they rely a lot on 3s, but many times that's because Van Gundy refuses to get the ball to Howard down low.

Just watch. If Orlando escapes Boston, which they may not, you'll be surprised at how well Orlando matches up with Cleveland.

Posted by: psps23"

Orlando will be lucky to win two games against Cleveland. The Lebrons are like two steps above anyone in the league right now.

I like Dwight Howard, but for being as big as he is he's one of the softest centers in the league. His personality is just soft, letting little midgets put their junk in his face on national television. My god.

He's too darn hesitant around the rim, he'll be two feet away and pass out of it. My god man, you can jump like 2 feet above anyone else in the NBA, slam that **** home.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

++Yes, we have an old line but we also have young depth that has become more acclimated to the offense, built more trust in their coaches and more than likely wants to be the guy, starting.

23 - Devin Clark, Scott Burely, Edwin Williams
24 - Rinehart
25 - Heyer, R. Riley
26 - Will Montgomery
27 - D'Anthony Batiste
29 - Derrick Dockery, Mike Williams, Jeremy Bridges

30 & Over - Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Samuels.++

Couple of problems with this. first, most the 20-somethings won't be on the active roster this year, and second, all four 30-somethings (an the 29 year old) are likely to start.

The second problem is that cohesion is a huge factor with an offensive line. Teams LOVE to have the same five guys in camp and playing together all season long. Unlike a D-line they don't situationally sub out OLinemen (except add a widebody on the goal line).

Based on recent history, there is a LIKELIHOOD, not just a possibility, that at least one, perhaps two or more of the older Redskin linemen will miss significant playing time. That will destroy cohesiveness, just as it was destroyed last year in the second half of the season.

Redskin FO still hasn't learned that a big, young, non-injury prone offensive line solves a LOT of problems.

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"...Let's see, rap music, fox news and a belt swingin' dad - sounds like all the elements of a great sit com..."

The belt swinging, rap music fan dad in me didn't get the FOX News beef yesterday.

I don't get my news from tv.

I read newspapers online and eavesdrop in on drunken conversations at parties held by friends who do.

There are some things I didn't know, though.

A Hawaiian is now the president.

Something called swine flu has made countless southern Americans give up their pork rinds and bacon.

The economy sucks so bad that even hookers spent their days looking for ways to blow off steam. Steam, off course, doesn't pay once it has been blown off and the women remain unsatisfied.

People are upset that the government tortured people with something called a 1040 A form.

An old lady who looked like a mailman in drag sang before Simon Cowell and he developed a lump in his Levi's behind it.

Dick Chaney won't go away as the world needs someone to be Richard Nixon and Al Gore all rolled up into one.

Micheal Jackson is so broke he has sold his right hand glove--a sign his sex life is also suffering.

American itself is distressed by all these sad events as it voted for hope, and so far, all it's gotten is McPain.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

psps, you bet you're last two quarters that was a serious comment.

The battle between pitcher vs. batter is something that a lot of people underrate. As a pitcher your goal is to simply outsmart and when necessary overpower the hitter. As the batter you're using your instincts and acumen to get hits. Also, the setup process between a pitcher and catcher is another great mental strategy.

More cerebral aspects include: when you have a guy like Carl Crawford on base... are you ready for him?

or

when you have a guy who is down 3-1 in the count with one out, bases loaded, bottom of the ninth, with a two run lead, and has pitched about 110 pitches -- do you leave him in?

there is so much more thought that goes into baseball then I can name, but those are the best two that come to mind.

I like to plan, that "on the fly" stuff never works for me.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Dude is either a very VERY good Daddy, or really REALLY hated playing for the Redskins and/or their defensive scheme.

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 10:41 AM

Or....there is a hot chick girlfriend in Coconut Grove who got tired of flying to DC.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 14, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

If Orlando escapes Boston

Not.

Gonna.

Happen.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Beans, what's the sense up there about Garnett? Available for the Cleveland series? Or the finals?

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"Bottom line, there are better managers than others, and the good managers are the guys who routinely get their teams to div titles, world series, etc….

Posted by: dlhaze1"

Managers are different, I'm speaking on the athletes themselves.

And it's very possible I'm just being ignorant on the sport. But I don't see it out there. As a player, I'd find the sport incredibly scripted.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Yeah to say baseball has no strategy is dumb.

We kinda take it for granted, but my nephew is 5 (or 6??) and talking to him about baseball I realized how darn complicated it can be to learn the game. Even the simple stuff like what base to throw to will confuse the crap out of a younger kid (or guys like talent_evaluator and RedDMV who have younger kid brains).

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Red for the most part I like to leave the pitchers in in a situation like that. Let 'em pitch!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

What's wrong with the 1040A?

Also, can someone give me a brief synopsis as to what happened between Mark Cuban and KMart's Mom? I keep missing what happens....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

this blog is in serious trouble and in need of rehab when a prolonged, heated "who's the best southern rapper?" debate breaks out. I know it's May but Jesus...

how about the RB situation? we haven't discussed much on this. How many good seasons does CP have left? I say at best 2. Will Mason win the 3rd spot? Rock is a great return man but I don't like him backing up Ladell

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | May 14, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Hey, how about my Pens last night, huh? that Crosby kid can sure get it done in the clutch!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I don't think we made Parcells look like a genius: he made us look like, uh what's the term? Idiots? Morons? Cerratos?

Posted by: Fox_News |

T_E, I welcome the rare opportunity to agree with you.

Parcells may be a genius, but his outwitting Cerrato is no more proof of it than a Chess Grandmaster out-strategerying W, Gretchen (Wouldn't You Like to) Munchen out-beautificating Joan Rivers, or Stone Cold Steve Austin pinning Richard Simmons in the squared circle.

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Cuban, who I like a lot, crossed the line and yelled at KMart's mom that "your son is a thug."


Sign me up as "Innocent bystander who is 100% surprised the media hasn't turned this into a race issue."

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Danny Ainge keeps telling eveyone that Garnett is done, that its not gonna happen, but there was never a diagnosis as to what his knee injury is/was, as far as I know. So, I'm not sure if its just gamesmanship on the part of the Celtics in leaving it open ended, or what.

At BEST, given all the time he's missed, he could only be available for roughly 15 minutes per game, so I'm not sure if that would be hindrance to what the team has going on now, or not??

I think he's done, I don't see him coming back......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"I like to plan, that "on the fly" stuff never works for me.

Posted by: RedDMV"

Fair enough, I guess that's where you and I differ. I'm a big fan of creativity. Seeing athletes do things I've never, or hardly, seen before. That's where the beauty of sports come in for me.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

If I'm Boston, I'm trading KG this offseason.

If I'm San Antonion, I'm trading Duncan this offseason.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Managers are different, I'm speaking on the athletes themselves.
And it's very possible I'm just being ignorant on the sport. But I don't see it out there. As a player, I'd find the sport incredibly scripted.
Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 11:05 AM


Yeah, 7/10ths of the game is pitcher vs batter, but the manager decides who pitches, who bats, how to line up the infield and outfield, baserunning strategy, hitting strategy, and a whole bunch of other stuff I can’t even begin to think of….

There’s a lot more to it than sending 9 guys out there and just telling your pitcher to strike everyone out……or telling your batter to try and hit a home run.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

kmart is a thug.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

truth, really??

Why?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Fair enough, I guess that's where you and I differ. I'm a big fan of creativity. Seeing athletes do things I've never, or hardly, seen before. That's where the beauty of sports come in for me.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

To me that is just watching ESPN's Top 10 not the actual beauty of any sport. Everyone enjoys the highlights but each sport is one by grunt work and team work, not the play of the day IMO

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 14, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Give up our list of college basketball players from the past ten years who are worth watching and compare it to this list on non-college playing and European/Global players:

Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Dirk Nowitski, Manu Ginobelli, Tony Parker, LeBron James, Dwight Howard, etc.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 9:58 AM

Dywane Wade
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Paul
Derron Williams
Derrick Rose
Kevin Durant
Tim Duncan

I would take any of these guys over any Euro/Global player. Manu Ginobli is the only non-American player I'm willing to show some love. The rest are complementary players - even Nowitzki.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Cuban, who I like a lot, crossed the line and yelled at KMart's mom that "your son is a thug."


Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 11:11 AM

Did anything precede this? Was it unprovoked? Was she talking SMACK to Cuban? Did Cuban just get up out of his seat and knew what KMart's mother looked like and he always wanted to tell her that?

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

To someone’s point, Parcells getting the best of Cerrato doesn’t exactly elevate the guy’s status…..In my very Humble Opinion, Bill Parcells needs to prove that he can coach or GM a team to a superbowl win WITHOUT BILL BELICHECK. Until then he should have an asterisk next to his name in the list of Superbowl coaches…..kind of like how everyone knows that Ditka wasn’t the real brains behind the 85 bears…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Hail2, don't apologize to me. Apologize to the soccer purist ot there.

Orlando will be lucky to win two games against Cleveland. The Lebrons are like two steps above anyone in the league right now.

I like Dwight Howard, but for being as big as he is he's one of the softest centers in the league. His personality is just soft, letting little midgets put their junk in his face on national television. My god.

He's too darn hesitant around the rim, he'll be two feet away and pass out of it. My god man, you can jump like 2 feet above anyone else in the NBA, slam that **** home.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 14, 2009 10:59 AM

Very, very ture. I was wondering why was Howard complaining about the gameplan and his looks on offense when is post game isn't defined yet.

Tim Legler made a great point about Howard hanging around at the top of the key to much. I believe that he's doing what he's told but Howard has no business at the top of the key.

He needs to establish his position in the post -- from the the offense goes to work. By him not doing this it makes him appear "soft" and "weak".

But the question is, how much of that is on Van Gundy and how much of it is on Howard? Howard can only play within the gameplan, but maybe Van Gundy knows the weaknesses of Howard and is trying to mask them. Maybe for all the clamoring we like to do over Dwight Howard size and ability, maybe he's just an avergae player when it comes to skill.

Oh and Truth, Scarface is most definitely a "rat" as in snitch. The dude Lil Troy had the papers and when confronted about it your boy 'facemob basically shrugged and suggested 'it's what I had to do'.

There is a difference between snitching and telling.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

kmart is a thug.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 11:15 AM

What's your basis for this statement?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"To me that is just watching ESPN's Top 10 not the actual beauty of any sport. Everyone enjoys the highlights but each sport is one by grunt work and team work, not the play of the day IMO

Posted by: Hail2theChief"

Ah see, but there you're misunderstanding me. Creativity, especially for free-flowing sports like soccer and basketball, doesn't just come on highlight reels. Something as simple as a switching the field in soccer, drawing defenders for a backdoor pass in basketball, or crossing the blue line in hockey can determine a player's creativity. I'm not simply speaking on the one or two instances a game that show up in highlight reels.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

BG, were you asking Truth for the basis of his comment?

4th, Cuban was mad after the refs failed to call a foul that the Mavericks were trying to give. Melo made the shot and the Mavs lost.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"....this blog is in serious trouble and in need of rehab..."

I agree, sir.

The blog's behavior has been a little erratic.

But perhap's it's loopy, out-of-control is what makes it sexy--kinda like the freaky girlfriend who drives you nuts while turning you on at the same time.

And a girl like that is one I don't want to change.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

If baseball was so mechanical then we would not have 600+ errors already in the 2009 season.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

lh, how about getting suspended during the 2007, 2008, 2004, seasons for flagrant fouls, not to mention the fines he's racked up as well.

Other than that, I've got nothing

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"There’s a lot more to it than sending 9 guys out there and just telling your pitcher to strike everyone out……or telling your batter to try and hit a home run.

Posted by: dlhaze1"

Sure there is. But in comparison to other sports, I'd think it's minimal.

How often do baseball players study film? Spend meetings breaking down opponents (other than pitchers)? Train to perfect team cohesion and dynamics? I honestly don't know, so maybe someone can inform me. But I can tell you that in a sport like soccer, it takes hours upon hours upon hours of all those things just to prepare for one match.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Thanks LH.

So Cuban was mad at the refs and took it out on KMart's mom? If that's true, than Cuban has no respect.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Van Gundy is as good as fired. Howard didn't just criticize the fact that he wasn't getting the ball, he criticized the substitutions.

And Truth, being taller doesn't automatically mean you can reject a shorter players shot anytime you want. Charles Barkley made a living killing guys 4-6 inches taller by using his strength and girth to keep them away from the release point of his shot. That's what Big Baby Davis did to Howard.

The Magic-Celtics series would be over but for the Magic playing stupid down the stretch with their impatience.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"If baseball was so mechanical then we would not have 600+ errors already in the 2009 season.

Posted by: alex35332"

What percentage of plays result in an error in baseball? I'd be willing to bet the turnover rate in other sports are much, much higher.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

++After all it's not like liberal-minded news outlets or talking-heads ever engage in finger-pointing, blame-shifting or small-minded scapegoating.

I mean have you ever heard a Lib talking head do things like continuously blame Bush for the faults of the universe? Or blame the rich? Or blame Republicans? Or blame the religious right? Or blame insitutional racism/sexism? Or blame the military? Or blame Conservatives? Or blame Fox News?

That kind of stuff is purely the terrain of Fox News.

...and by the way, have you seen that kettle over there - it's really really black.

Posted by: p1funk ++

Oh Funky, you're cute when you try to be ironic.

Love your topper...and I'll bet you giggled at the Macaca line.

I'd retort point by point, but (self-deprecation alert!) I'm too busy fixing the Redskins to bother myself chipping away at (oxymoron alert!) Right Wing Mentality.

But consider this: Fox set the template, MSNBC is just imitating their success with smarter people.

Overall, it makes for lousy newscasting. While I enjoyed Olbermann's scathing and brilliant "special comments," I dont' watch the show any more, and I only catch the Far Right's efforts when Jon Stewart runs clips.

But I'll say this. MSNBC is run by General Electric. GE is not exactly a bleeding heart corporation. In word and deed, they often challenge Ruppert.

So what possesses them to provide a platform for Olbermann and Maddow and the rest? Bottom line. It helps them turn a profit. So your real complaint shouldn't be with the Liberals who broadcast there, but with the enablers, a corporation so fixated on profit, they would sacrifice their core beliefs to make an extra buck.

The profit motive, more than any other single factor has all but destroyed TV "journalism." I am a capitalist, but certain elements in a Democracy must be freed from the capitalist mindset. I am also a realist and know this will never happen.

But I don 't see an unfettered profit motive benefiting service industries like news, or fire departments, police, military, health insurance, aviation safety (read about the Buffalo crash), and many others.


Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

when you have a guy who is down 3-1 in the count with one out, bases loaded, bottom of the ninth, with a two run lead, and has pitched about 110 pitches -- do you leave him in?

there is so much more thought that goes into baseball then I can name, but those are the best two that come to mind.

I like to plan, that "on the fly" stuff never works for me.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Those are the best two? Sounds like a ringing endorsement for another commercial break.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 14, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

But perhap's it's loopy, out-of-control is what makes it sexy--kinda like the freaky girlfriend who drives you nuts while turning you on at the same time.

And a girl like that is one I don't want to change.

Posted by: MistaMoe |

Moe shoots, he SCORES!

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor back with the Fish?

I thought all the football sages up on this board were saying "Parcells knew JT was washed up," and hoodwinked the Redskins into giving up 2nd and 6th round draft picks for him?

Parcells is such a bloody genius, he must have known that Taylor would be injured and unproductive last year, so he sent him north to DC, got two draft picks out of the Skins, then welcomed JT back for this season, healthy, tan, rested and ready.

uh-huh

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | May 14, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

BG, if that's all you got then you've got nothing. Being a rough player in sport does not make one a thug. Kevin McHale commited many a flagrant foul during his playing days but you didn't get suspended back then. The NBA started suspending for hard or "flagrant" fouls in response to the growth of fighting.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 14, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

F*ck Bill Parcells and Jason Taylor. How bout that.

Posted by: FedorEm | May 14, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Ah see, but there you're misunderstanding me. Creativity, especially for free-flowing sports like soccer and basketball, doesn't just come on highlight reels. Something as simple as a switching the field in soccer, drawing defenders for a backdoor pass in basketball, or crossing the blue line in hockey can determine a player's creativity. I'm not simply speaking on the one or two instances a game that show up in highlight reels.

Posted by: psps23 |

Here's how I watch soccer on the rare occasions I do. I TiVO it. Then I fast forward through it at 4X speed, watching the "scoreboard" in the corner.

When one of those really rare occasions of a goal happens, the numbers change, I hit stop, Rewind for a minute and get to watch all the Soccer Stategy I can handle.

Sure, I miss the magnificent theater of players with "career-ending injuries" who flop for a foul, then return good as new seconds later; the thousands of turnovers, the fans in the stands so bored they sing during the entire match, and the crumpled up ball of paper on the field that costs a team its match. But I save hours of boredom.

But you are right here. ESPN highlight-o-mania is ruining teamwork.

Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

But perhap's it's loopy, out-of-control is what makes it sexy--kinda like the freaky girlfriend who drives you nuts while turning you on at the same time.

And a girl like that is one I don't want to change.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 11:27 AM |

Truest words spoken. I about the females. I ain't thinking about this blog....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

bean, why is kmart a thug?

his tattoos?

him cursing at the Maverick fans before leaving the arena -- after they cursed out his mom, 'Melo's fiance, and other player family members?

don't act surprised by me asking either...

Garnett?

I said back when he tried to play those games at the end of the season, that this maybe the injury to stamp him "smart, aging, role-player", it looks like I may have been right.

The same goes for Duncan.

WTF! I don't like agreeing with TheTruth - ever! But when you're right...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Thanks LH.

So Cuban was mad at the refs and took it out on KMart's mom? If that's true, than Cuban has no respect.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 11:32 AM

The owner ought to be sitting in the owner's box during games. And Snyder ought to be on Mars during personnel meetings, evaluations, and the draft.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 14, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

lh, right other than him earning suspensions and fines on almost a yearly basis, its really nothing...(rolls eye's)

Um....Mchale clotheslined Rambis, that was a one time deal.......other than that, you need to learn your NBA history.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Sure there is. But in comparison to other sports, I'd think it's minimal.
How often do baseball players study film? Spend meetings breaking down opponents (other than pitchers)? Train to perfect team cohesion and dynamics? I honestly don't know, so maybe someone can inform me. But I can tell you that in a sport like soccer, it takes hours upon hours upon hours of all those things just to prepare for one match.
Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 11:30 AM

It could be less “prep” in baseball than in other sports, yes, but they still have practices between games. You think that they don’t practice the 5-2-4 double play, or picking off a guy trying to steal 2nd? I don’t know about game film either, but I do know that guys like Cal Ripken knew the tendencies of everyone he faced and he wasn’t a pitcher (I know, he’s not your typical player). Maybe it is less thinking or strategy than some sports, but it is definitely a thinking man’s game. Take away a good manager, and your performance will drop….Not trying to argue, but there really is a ton of strategy involved. Otherwise you or I could go out an manage a team….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"...If baseball was so mechanical then we would not have 600+ errors already in the 2009 season..."


Isn't the general argument that the difference between baseball in America and in Japan is that foriegners play the national pastime fundamentally better?

Japan and Latin ball is allegedly driven by 'small ball' and good defense, whereas the American brand--even with the better pitching-- depends too much on what the chicks dig: the long ball, 3-run homer.

Now that 'riod era has ebbed, perhaps guys will spend time more time learning to field, bunt, and steal bases to generate or stop runs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Greg Paulus wants to try QB... at Syracuse.

F Duke and F Paulus.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

red, read my response, no one mentioned tat's but you, so if you've got some preconceived reason why you think that I think Martin is a thug, then by all means have at it....

Martin gets himself suspended year, after year, and fined year, after year. That, and THAT ALONE, make him a thug to me.

Hopefully thats as crystal clear as you need it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Here's how I watch soccer on the rare occasions I do. I TiVO it. Then I fast forward through it at 4X speed, watching the "scoreboard" in the corner.

When one of those really rare occasions of a goal happens, the numbers change, I hit stop, Rewind for a minute and get to watch all the Soccer Stategy I can handle.

Sure, I miss the magnificent theater of players with "career-ending injuries" who flop for a foul, then return good as new seconds later; the thousands of turnovers, the fans in the stands so bored they sing during the entire match, and the crumpled up ball of paper on the field that costs a team its match. But I save hours of boredom.

But you are right here. ESPN highlight-o-mania is ruining teamwork.

Posted by: TheCork

---------

At least you're getting a minute of enjoyment out of the game.

With baseball, every play that's ever occurred was spawned in 1924. Sportscenter's Top 10 in June, July, and August is merely a re-run of plays made three decades ago. Don't worry, I get fooled at times too. That 6-4-3 double play? Wow, was that special. I've never seen something like THAT before.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Greg vs LH

That is interesting. The line will be LH favored 3/2.

Taking all bets now.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Alright peeps, time for me to get some work done. Sorry to leave some of you hanging if you responded to my comments.

Soccer rulz.
Everyone else can suck one :)

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Baseball is the only team sport we have where one mans individual talent can single handedly win a game.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

4th, I stated my opinion on the matter, I backed it up with his multiple suspensions and fines....I'm not sure what more needs to be discussed.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Find me one soccer sports clip where you don't get it broadcast just to count how long the announcer shouts Goal.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 14, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Greg - I have no opinion on the matter. And I only favored LH because I know his occupation.

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

F Duke and F Paulus.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 11:50 AM

Duke rules. Except during the NCAA tournament, of course.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 14, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

4th, whats he do?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

bean, that's a weak excuse man. sounds like a case of:

"I don't like a guy, so I'll just lable them in a negative way, and give weak examples for my base."

weak bean, indeed.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

red, read my response, no one mentioned tat's but you, so if you've got some preconceived reason why you think that I think Martin is a thug, then by all means have at it....

Martin gets himself suspended year, after year, and fined year, after year. That, and THAT ALONE, make him a thug to me.

Hopefully thats as crystal clear as you need it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

i dunno how many times k-mart has been suspended or fined throughout his career in the league, however, i know i have never heard of him doing anything improper off of the court. No babymamma beatdowns, no weed sessions with melo, no DUIs . I guess you could call him a thug but it don't seem like kmart does any thuggin. The birdman was suspended fo a season for drugs is he a thug? Is michael phelps a thug for smokin the herbals? is brett favre a thug for abusing painkillers?is jared allen a thug for his DUIs?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

suspensions and fines are weak....ok, whatever you say.....it must be the tats then....ufb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I won't say because he may not want it to be known.....


Me on the other hand will be an accountant for only one more week. Career change...Here I come....

(But tax man will always be my middle name as I won't leave that alone)

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"....Mchale clotheslined Rambis, that was a one time deal...other than that, you need to learn your NBA history."

And NBA history teaches that Pat Riley's Knick's of the '90s ( John Sparks, P Ewing, Hubert Davis, Larry Johnson, Doc Rivers, G Anthony, Derek Harper), and 90s' Pistons Rick Mahorn, Dennis Rodman, and Bill Lambier were the worst thugs known to dribbling mankind.


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 14, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

4th whatcha gonna do for the new career??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

if all the "thuggin" is done within the confines of the b-ball court is he a thug or is he Laimbeer 2009?Mahorn 2009? Oakley 2009? those guys played rough and protected their superstars. You can't turn your thug on at work and turn the thug off in the streets. Thuggin is a full time job, and my break is over.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 14, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Psps23, if you are still out there or come back, please explain how soccer is more thinking than “try to kick the ball into that goal over there, or if you are covered, kick it to someone else”?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

For the baseball vs. soccer argument, I think my man De Niro summed it up best in 'Untouchables' playing Al Capone:

"A man becomes preeminent, he’s expected to have enthusiasms... enthusiasms... enthusiasms. … What are mine? What draws my admiration? What is that which gives me joy? … Baseball! A man stands alone at the plate. This is the time for what? For individual achievement. There he stands alone. But in the field, what? Part of a team. Teamwork. … Looks, throws, catches, hustles.Part of one big team. Bats himself the live-long day, Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, and so on. If his team don’t field … what is he? You follow me? No one. Sunny day, the stands are full of fans. What does he have to say? I’m goin’ out there for myself. But … I get nowhere unless the team wins."

Baseball: The ultimate cerebral & team sport. If you don't think so, I'll make you kiss my Louisville slugger, ya dig?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I am not ready to fully diverge it. I want to be sitting comfortably in my new office and get aleast one paycheck so I know it's real.

I feel if I do that, I will jinx myself. I have lots of jinxes I believe in (like never touching your cards that are dealt to you until all of them have been passed out). Once I am comfortable, I don't mind letting the cat of the bag.

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Sure, I miss the magnificent theater of players with "career-ending injuries" who flop for a foul, then return good as new seconds later"
Posted by: TheCork | May 14, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I tried to watch the last World Cup, figured I'd give it a whirl. What Cork describes above is what made me turn the channel. A bunch of baby diva's who at the slightest touch crumble and tumble. Then get carried of by a stretcher only to get sprayed by some, I am assuming cold spray. Then jump to their feet and run right back to the sidelines to get in. some might refer to those people as Pus&ies. If you get carried of by a stretcher, you should not return. It got old fast. Soccer wont catch on big in the US for this reason alone. WE LIKE VIOLENCE, not flopping babies. Dennis Rodman in his hay-day almost drove to turn off the NBA-finals with his constant flopping and acting.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 14, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

You gotta love Cooley….anyone catch his nfl dot com chat yesterday? It’s up on their site. Here’s a glimpse:
Tank, NJ 06:17 PM ET
I think Jared Cook will be better than you. What do you think?

Chris Cooley, Washington Redskins
I do not know who Jared Cook is. Obviously, you're not a 'Skins fan. I think Paris Hilton would probably be a better sports analyst than you.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 14, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

bean, in closing, all the stuff you named was in the realms of a NBA court, dude.

i could see calling him a thug if he had off court stuff to go along with the on court infractions.

that is why your "kmart is a thug" statement is weak, bro.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Me on the other hand will be an accountant for only one more week. Career change...Here I come....

(But tax man will always be my middle name as I won't leave that alone)

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 12:08 PM

Problem may have been in the name: Right Way Taxes. When you pay them the right way, the taxes are too high. Just ask Tim Geithner. So, just like Geithner, most of us are looking for a way to pay less taxes: Wrong Way Taxes.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 14, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

red, kmart is a thug in regards to the manner in which he conducts himself on the court....there, that better...bro..??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

t_e, you must be in the Durham area. How could you like Duke and you went to an ACC rival, Georgia Tech?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Once I am comfortable, I don't mind letting the cat of the bag.

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 14, 2009 12:14 PM

Dude's got a job at the animal shelter!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

no need to get testy, chesty, edgy, or whatever it is you do there, Gregory.

chill and relax, brother.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 14, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: will_ga | May 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

When it comes to sports today, whatever floats your boat is great. With the advent of digital cable and digital satellite we can basically watch whatever sport we want to. ESPN or CBS no longer control are sports viewing. If there is a sport you enjoy then there is going to be a channel to watch it now. The days of a few sports and a few networks controlling the fans interest are over.

Posted by: blackandred777 | May 14, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

No chips, no ketchup.... just BURGER!

Posted by: elfreako | May 14, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Dockery helps the Redskins in short yardage and goal line where the team struggled mightily in 2008 with the undersized pair of Rabach (289) and Kendall (292).

I think the Redskins starting right guard by mid-season will be Jeremy Bridges. I think like Jon Jansen that Randy Thomas has reached a point in his career where he is just too brittle to play a 16 game schedule.

The 6'4 and 326 Bridges is also a good straight ahead drive blocker and with Dockery adds significant size and strength to the interior of the line heading into 2009.

This line will be better than advertised.

Posted by: leopard09 | May 15, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

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