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Redskins Agree To Terms With Punter Hunter Smith

The Redskins are expected to sign punter Hunter Smith tomorrow, a league source said Thursday, and Smith will join the team for minicamp May 1-3. He has agreed to terms on a one-year deal.

The Redskins hope that Smith, a 10-year veteran with the Indianapolis Colts, will help them address their poor performance on special teams last season, and the team has not been settled at the punter spot since the 2004 season. The team signed veteran Dirk Johnson to compete for punting duties in training camp, but he is likely to be released to make room for Smith on the active roster, while the Redskins still have young punter Zac Atterberry under contract.

Smith, who has never missed a game in his career, had a 38.8-yard net average last season. He also also an accomplished holder on field goals - another area of concern - and serves as an emergency quarterback for the Colts, who drafted him in the 7th round in 1999

By Jason Reid and Jason La Canfora  |  April 23, 2009; 8:09 PM ET
 
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Sweet. Now Vinnie can't waste a pick on one. But then again, you never know....

Posted by: chris_rollins2k3 | April 23, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Do we still have to pay Atterberry and Johnson after we cut them?

Good call on the punter in the chat today.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 23, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Mechanicsville, Va.: What do you think is the current plan to acquire a punter and place kicker for next season ?

Jason La Canfora: They've pretty much made their bed in that regard, bro.


Inside, Out, round and round... LaCanttellya...

Posted by: Club320 | April 23, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Why a "big arm" is overrated. If the QB makes accurate, well-timed short and medium range throws then the opponent has to move their D in to counter this and then you air it out and maybe it ain't no frozen rope but there ain't no DB within 10 yds so who cares? Six points, baby!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 23, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

this is a GREAT move, havin a reliable punter pinning the other teams deep will only help our D out more and may be the difference in pullin out a few games with a W

Posted by: AhsanFamily | April 23, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah!!! It's about time the Skins signed a good free agent punter...

Now they need to find more talented gunners and blockers. One specialist -- K. Campbell is gone and replaced by another Thomas. Hopefully Thrash will finally get beat out by one of the small-quick RBs.

But a big question still remains at field goal kicker. Was Suisham's long distance inaccuracy the result of poor mechanics, terrible blocking, or bad holds?

Posted by: siris | April 23, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "Starting quarterback Jason Campbell, whom the Washington Redskins have actively tried to replace this offseason, will request to be traded if the team selects Southern California quarterback Mark Sanchez in Saturday's NFL draft, league sources said Thursday." Hah! The mannequin do have a pulse!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 23, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Good thing we got a good punter. We're going to need it if things turn out the way the rumors suggest. Adding a left guard and having a pissed off QB isn't exactly upgrading the offense. Neither is putting a rookie QB behind swiss cheese.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Finally. They've done something to cheer about. Good job, Vinny.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 23, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Oy Scrambly ... remember my prediction so cavalierly placed on the RI Blog 'FAQ' site? Now, 5-11 doesn't seem so far-fetched does it?

Snidely seems to be succeeding in his mission to completely unravel and ravage he supposed beloved team, just as he did when he got rid of Stephen Davis et al with Spurrier ... me thinks coach Zorn may be next out-the-door ...

I suppose Snyder isn't the worst sports owner ever ... but from the millennium on he does compete quite well with Al Davis for that honor. As long as he owns this club they will never finish over .500 without another "real" coach/team president/GM that can work without MiniMe looking over his shoulders.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Thank the lord!

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

SNIDELY YOU ARE STILL A LOSER even with all your billions. YOU ARE A LOSER! LOSER! Probably why your high school no longer exists in fabled Montgomery County.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "Starting quarterback Jason Campbell, whom the Washington Redskins have actively tried to replace this offseason, will request to be traded if the team selects Southern California quarterback Mark Sanchez in Saturday's NFL draft, league sources said Thursday." Hah! The mannequin do have a pulse!


Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 23, 2009 8:46 PM |

Good for him. It's about time he showed some nuts. He's been treated like sh!t. Of course it is just business, but he's taken this stuff with class.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell clearly is not a proto WCO QB"

So him going undefeated his last year at Auburn, in which they ran a west coast offense, was just a fluke huh? Some of you are just haters.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 23, 2009 7:51 PM

Dude! lol! lmao! Fist off, whatever he did at Auburn ain't even close to what the NFL is like from a comparably standpoint. The difference between a college defense and a NFL defense is like night and day. Secondly, as many have commented ad nausem, Campbell just don't have WCO chops. His decision making ain't done quickly enough, his passes ain't accurate enough, he don't have good footwork for play action passes, etc., etc. We ain't haters, we are realists. But from the tone of your post it sounds like you hate realists.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 23, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget that he had 2 monster running backs dozin' people.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Good for him. It's about time he showed some nuts. He's been treated like sh!t.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 8:54 PM

"nuts"? "sh!t"? I thought this blog had clamped down on the use of profanity.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 23, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Dude! lol! lmao! Fist off, whatever he did at Auburn ain't even close to what the NFL is like from a comparably standpoint. The difference between a college defense and a NFL defense is like night and day. Secondly, as many have commented ad nausem, Campbell just don't have WCO chops.

Okay, so I suppose that wouldn't be true for someone who has ONLY PLAYED SIXTEEN GAMES TOTAL in college? And he will be better behind this line!!? That's not being a realist its hiding your head in the sand ... dude.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I think as fans we get too emotionally attached to players for the wrong reasons. Are we pissed off at how the front office is treating JC because he's a true franchise QB...or are we pissed off at the front office because it's the front office? I know good and well that many of you don't think JC has what it takes to take us to a Super Bowl. He may or may not be a good QB, and we may lack patience to find out, but if you think Sanchez is that guy, you take him.

As fans we cry rivers for Arrington, Clark, Torrence...etc., but the loss of these players isn't the reason why this team hasn't won a championship.

I would like to give Campbell another year to prove himself but my gut tells me that I think I know how this story will end.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 23, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Looks (on paper) better than Shankmeister Flash...Now get a kicker thats consistent from around 50 (like Viniateri), and we'd probably make the playoffs with roster we've got right now!! If Suisham was injured last year (he looked it, but the whole team seemed to have the bug), then more power to him..Need consistent from 50 in..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really...deep down...think that JC is a franchise QB?


Be honest!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 23, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Yep, here's what we have to look forward to ... and people think the Nats are a farce in motion ...

Far more enticing though, is the idea of the Skins trying to trade up, having their move made public and still managing to get beat out for Sanchez by the Jets or Seahawks or Browns. Then everyone's in a world of pain. Except for those of us who get to watch.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm pissed off because the front office hasn't given anyone a real chance to succeed. No stability and constant changing of coaches, systems, and QB's equals losing. Campbell has shown the most promise of any QB in a long time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really...deep down...think that JC is a franchise QB?

Be honest!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 23, 2009

The hard stats say he is. You may be looking at wins and losses but I am looking at someone who has only been the starter for a year and a half and 3 offenses. That's seven different offenses since college. A lot experience ... a lot of change something Sanchez won't have.

My intuition, which is pretty damned good, says that Campbell will have a break out year with someone else. Todd Collins will start out the year, Snidely will get impatient, they will throw Sanchez to the wolves. He will get hammered. He has very little experience in college much less the pros!!!? He would need 3 years of seasoning. So, they we get to see Colt and the Cult of Colt will be happy but they will still finish out 5 and 11 ... if they are lucky.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "If Sanchez winds up with the Redskins, Campbell's represenative, Joel Segal, will contact the team in an effort to find a better situation for his client, sources said." Is this really Campbell's best strategy? Demand a trade after going 2-6 at the end of the season? What he should do is say to himself: "They ain't going to start Sanchez right off the bat so I will have time to prove that I am better than 2-6 and am on an upwards pointing trendline performance-wise." Then, at the end of 2009, he will have a better story to peddle to interested suitors than he does now.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 23, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I think JC can win a Superbowl. Absolutely. With a great defense and solid o-line, he can win a Superbowl. That's all that matters, right?

Posted by: John_Keats | April 23, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Snyder failed to get Cutler.

He will not repeat this 'mistake'.

He will give the farm away for Sanchez.

Bristol will swoon, JC will be gone, and we start a rookie with an old banged up line.

This will be an abortion without doubt.

Posted by: gdennie | April 23, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I think JC can win a Superbowl. Absolutely. With a great defense and solid o-line, he can win a Superbowl. That's all that matters, right?

Posted by: John_Keats | April 23, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

no, jersey sales are the only thing that really matters

Posted by: AhsanFamily | April 23, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Our team has many serious holes (LB, DE, OL), but quarterback isn't one of them. Campbell is more than competent. Not giving him one more year to prove himself, drafting an underclassman qb, and neglecting our well-documented problems will only produce another last place finish.

Posted by: John_Keats | April 23, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I don't think that the Redskins will pick Sanchez.


Is there anywhere we can store all this goodwill and patience for JC though.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 23, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Unsourced rumors² = facts?

Redskins Insider: where facts come to die.

² "League sources" = unsourced rumors.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 23, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I love the ridiculous loyalty to Campbell. The guy is mediocre at best, should we wait 10 years for him to improve to above average? And everyone says build the team around him....in today's nfl of salary cap and the fact that the average career is less than 3 years, it is almost impossible to expect above average players at every position at the same time....in fact its impossible....in fact if you look at the last decade sustained success has come for teams with quality QBs or utterly dominant defenses. A completely dominant defense (Ravens/Tampa) can make a championship run but the teams that consistently win have changing parts rotating around quality QBs. The Colts, Pats, Philly, Rams, etc. all consitently won with high quality qb play. The pats weren't the pats until Brady came along. Cassel had a great year but didn't have an undefeated season that Brady had, yes they have a good team around him but if you look at the last 3 drafts from the Pats there is nothing impressive there at all. A great QB and winning changes everything. IF Sanchez turns out to be a great QB it will be worth every pick they give up to get him and if he comes in next year and wins all you whiners will come back and drink the kool-aid. The truth is nobody knows how good Sanchez is or can be, but after four seasons and 3 of regular playing time (30+ starts) we all have a pretty good idea of what JC is, he may improve some over the next few years, but he's not quality QB, he's got a long way to go to get there even after average .7 tds a game. While I don't know that Sanchez is the right answer, nobody here or anywhere else that he's not either at least their willing to try. All you need to know is that nobody in the entire league wanted JC for a 2nd round pick this offseason, nough said.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Well I have to say that it is somewhat of a shock that the Redskins are actually going after a player they need and who is competent.

Posted by: jiacinto | April 23, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

no, jersey sales are the only thing that really matters

Posted by: AhsanFamily | April 23, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

You may be on to something. Snyder probably wants his QB out making news and plastering his face over every billboard in town. And what does JC enjoy doing, BOWLING?!? Basically everything Gibbs wanted in a QB is the total opposite of what danny wants. $$$$$$

Posted by: az_david | April 23, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

'...but a source close to him said he is fed up with the way he has been treated recently....'

So it has come to this.

Though unattributed, whomever the source is knows what smart folks figured out long ago: that no real man could withstand the open insults hurled his way in the manner the redskins' front office has fronted in Jason Campbell.

It's like his reward for being a polite company man is to have more mud splattered on his face.

If you're Jason Campbell sometime around the end of January you figure, "All I got to do is keep studying and preparing and get ready to earn my extension."

And his extension has already come in the form of a middle finger.

On both hands.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Let's look at who is currently the only elite QB in the NFL. Some say Brady is as well but I think its really just Peyton Manning.

1998 16 games 26TDs 28INTs 71.2 QB rating. 3739 yds
sacked: 22 times.
326 cmp 575 atts.
RECORD 3 wins 13 losses.


1999 16 games 26TDs 15 INTs 90.7 QB rating. 4135 yds
sacked: 14 times
331 comp 533 atts.
RECORD 13 wins 3 losses 1st round playoff

2000 16 games 33 TDs 15INTs 94.7 QB rating 4413 yds
sacked: 20 times.
357 cmp 571 atts.
Went from 6-2 losing FOUR of FIVE but still made
the playoffs ... sound FAMILIAR!!!???
10 wins 6 losses

2001 16 games 26TDs 23INTs 84.1 QB rating 4131 yards
sacked: 29 times
343 cmp 547 atts.
RECORD 6 wins 10 losses

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

JC17 is a deep earth player, like the Bulls Derrick Rose, he doesn't show much emotion, but stimulation is good for him..Once he blossoms behind a solid O-Line, he will lead the team to the Promised Land, like deep earth Doug Williams..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Would you have stopped being loyal to Peyton Manning after his first four years. When it came to INTs, and game management he was a lot worst than Campbell AND HE HAD THE SAME offensive system!!! Same coaches!!! Duh!!!!!!

I don't care what millennium you choose to be from it takes at least 4-5 years to develop a quarterback in the pros from poor/mediocre to good or great. IN THE SAME SYSTEM.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

What's up with the punter 1st names?

DURANT Brooks
DIRK Johnson
HUNTER Smith
ZAC Atterbery


It's like they're all yuppie soap opera actors blessed with hang time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

All you need to know is that nobody in the entire league wanted JC for a 2nd round pick this offseason, nough said.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2009 9:43 PM |
============================================
I'll bet you spend plenty more words and comments saying the same thing again, though.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 23, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

What's up with the punter 1st names?

DURANT Brooks
DIRK Johnson
HUNTER Smith
ZAC Atterbery


It's like they're all yuppie soap opera actors blessed with hang time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

more like gay p.o.r.n. actors

Posted by: az_david | April 23, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Why won't Snyder commit to Campbell?

April 20, 2009 4:02 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

Each week, the Beast stops down for John Clayton's expanded mailbag. In today's edition, a gentleman from Missouri asked him about Redskins owner Dan Snyder's interest in Mark Sanchez -- or any other quarterback not named Jason Campbell:

Q: I can't figure out why the Redskins are in the middle of all these quarterback talks. Now there is talk of them looking at Sanchez. I know that when people think of the QB situation in Washington, they come up with Jason Campbell and Todd Collins, but Colt Brennan is the future of this team. That's right, I said it.

Mike in Hannibal, Mo.

Clayton: Here's the explanation. Joe Gibbs sold Dan Snyder on the idea that Jason Campbell could develop into a franchise quarterback. Snyder recognizes that a franchise quarterback is the key to the success of any team. Gibbs is gone, and Snyder isn't sure Campbell is his franchise quarterback. Campbell can still win over Snyder, but Snyder wanted Jay Cutler. He'll consider Sanchez. I don't think he views Brennan as a franchise quarterback. Brennan's arm isn't considered strong enough, but he could develop into a decent backup.

I've set up a phone conversation with Vinny Cerrato for later this week. I'll let you know what he has to say.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 23, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

JC17 is a deep earth player, like the Bulls Derrick Rose, he doesn't show much emotion, but stimulation is good for him..Once he blossoms behind a solid O-Line, he will lead the team to the Promised Land, like deep earth Doug Williams..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009

What the hell are you talking about?

Posted by: TWISI | April 23, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

peri

'...I don't care what millennium you choose to be from it takes at least 4-5 years to develop a quarterback...'


I agree with you totally.

But the issue is the gang driving the redskins' bus, not the fanbase.

Danny and Vinny have cast 'come hither' glances at different quarterbacks like a drunken cheating husband at a beauty pageant.

You have to admit you really can't see the situation improving, especially when you know the FO will try mightily to trade up to get the hardly ever used Trojan out of the packet that is a top 5 pick.

Me: I think it's a broken situation. Why even fake it anymore?

If Dan wants Sanchez, let him have the guy, trade Campbell, and let the kid start after T Collins runs the offense up to about mid season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Would you have stopped being loyal to Peyton Manning after his first four years. When it came to INTs, and game management he was a lot worst than Campbell AND HE HAD THE SAME offensive system!!! Same coaches!!! Duh!!!!!!

I don't care what millennium you choose to be from it takes at least 4-5 years to develop a quarterback in the pros from poor/mediocre to good or great. IN THE SAME SYSTEM.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Peyton has never ever had a season with less than 26 TDs

In 36 games JC has 35 TDs....that's pitiful.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Dude! lol! lmao! Fist off, whatever he did at Auburn ain't even close to what the NFL is like from a comparably standpoint. The difference between a college defense and a NFL defense is like night and day.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

Flippin' HILARIOUS! What Mark Sanchez faced in 16 flippin' games in the PAC 10 does not come close to an NFL Defense!! Hilarious! 16 games - count 'em!!! Yet Snyder plans to set us back another hundred years.....and you agree with him?

Give me Campbell ANY DAY!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 23, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

In 36 games JC has 35 TDs....that's pitiful.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2009 9:58 PM |

Pitiful yes, but hardly all his fault.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes it takes a few years to develop a great QB, there's no argument for that, but that same QB ought to show some promise besides just that he only threw 6 picks last season. We had the fewest big plays in the league, he had one of the worst YPA and YPC stats in the league, despite top 5 in attempts he barely average 200 yards a game and averaged .7 tds a game. You should by his 4th year in the NFL and 3rd year of regular play see some better signs than that.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

"nuts"? "sh!t"? I thought this blog had clamped down on the use of profanity.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 23, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

F*ck U, @$$h01e

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 23, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Dude! lol! lmao! Fist off, whatever he did at Auburn ain't even close to what the NFL is like from a comparably standpoint. The difference between a college defense and a NFL defense is like night and day. Secondly, as many have commented ad nausem, Campbell just don't have WCO chops.

Okay, so I suppose that wouldn't be true for someone who has ONLY PLAYED SIXTEEN GAMES TOTAL in college? And he will be better behind this line!!? That's not being a realist its hiding your head in the sand ... dude.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 9:20 PM

I didn't mention Sanchez in my post, which was addressing the question of why Campbell ain't a WCO QB - you did in response, which is a flat-out non sequitur if you are trying to refute anything I said, but works okay if you are just trying to vent, which seems to be the case with you. Vent early and often, like a volcano. Heh, heh. Anyway, whilst at the keyboard exposing your lamo modus operandi (two latin phrases in four sentences, I should get some kind of prize for this), we can proceed to hoist you with your on petard, Mr. Sanchez. Sanchez may lack game experience in college, but he actually has been "pre-selected" for the Skins or anybody else by USC. USC has the choice of any QB in the country when it recruits and it chooses QBs that will succeed in the WCO, the system it runs. So by choosing Sanchez from whomever it wanted, USC has done a big favor for any NFL outfit that wants a WCO QB. They have done a lot of the up-front scouting work and have eliminated a good deal of the risk and uncertainty.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 23, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Peyton has never ever had a season with less than 26 TDs

In 36 games JC has 35 TDs....that's pitiful.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2009

In his first 4 seasons he had 81 INTERCEPTIONS

He finished under .500 twice 3 and 13 and 6 and 10; He finished 13-3 once and 10 and 6. I like him better after 5 years 41 TDs 10 INTs.
He manages games far better ... he makes fewer mistakes. Campbell is already close to that.

And gee look at Mannings offensive weapons in Indianapolis ... Edgerrin James as a rookie for starters.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

This will be an abortion without doubt.

Posted by: gdennie | April 23, 2009 9:37 PM

Might it also be a "retarted disaster"?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 23, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

What the hell are you talking about?


Posted by: TWISI

Er, I know it sounds crazy, but it's Ayurveda, the ancient Indian medical science. Once the inner fire of Campbell is properly motivated (he's a deep earth "kapha" type-I can see that from my research and experience), he'll outperform just about all other QBs..Remember his high ranking at mid-season with a strong O-Line..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

It may be akin to getting hit in the mouth with a hot bag of nickels.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Pitiful yes, but hardly all his fault.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Right, cause the 1000 yard receiver, pro bowl TE, T, RB and top 5 defense that JC plays with is soooooooo much worse than the absolutely terrible Colts team that Peyton broke in on that had no oline, no defense, a great RB and a good receiver who was early in his career too, yet he managed to at least average more than a TD a game.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

exposing your lamo modus operandi (two latin phrases in four sentences,

Hmmm well then I see your puny latin and raise you with two latin words with 2 very distinct meanings. Cave Canem. One meaning is a warning of what the Redskins could be with Jason Campbell ... the other is a warning about a certain player Snidely really wanted who preferred doing the latter thing. Sanchez seems like a Brandon Lloyd .. a bit of a "pretty boy".

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Danny this had better be a joke you clown.

Anyone who thinks 16 games from sanchez is NFL ready needs to be examined. Just because he apparently nailed his workout against nobody??? Well so did chairman yi jianlian. Maybe it's because he's a great dinner date??

Btw zorn is getting on my nerves too with his yukking it up with danny and the crew.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 23, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Flippin' HILARIOUS! What Mark Sanchez faced in 16 flippin' games in the PAC 10 does not come close to an NFL Defense!! Hilarious! 16 games - count 'em!!! Yet Snyder plans to set us back another hundred years.....and you agree with him?

Give me Campbell ANY DAY!


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 23, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I still go back to a previous poster's point...no one will give us a 2nd rounder for him!!! Lisa are you mad, because it's thhe FO again or do you really beleive in Campbell???

Posted by: rickyroge | April 23, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really...deep down...think that JC is a franchise QB?


Be honest!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 23, 2009 9:27 PM
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The only "franchise QB" I ever saw play for the Washington Redskins was Sonny Jurgensen.

He never won a championship with the Redskins (he got one with the Eagles, when he was a backup QB to Norm Van Brocklin in 1960...this is also the last Eagles championship), although he is in the Hall of Fame.

On the other hand, the Redskins have Superbowl championships with Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien.

Do I think Jason Campbell is every bit as good as each of those guys, if not better?

Yes.

And for those who want to go running off to Mark Sanchez, you're making the exact same mistakes Danny keeps making.

Here's one definition of insanity.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 23, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

who was early in his career too, yet he managed to at least average more than a TD a game.
Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2009

Must have early alzheimers because you keep missing the last part: EIGHTY ONE INTERCEPTIONS, 81 in 4 years that averages out to OVER 20 per year. It may not matter to a blathering fan like you but it's something pro coaches and scouts take very seriously.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

And Peri, when Peyton was a rookie he had Marshall Faulk, Edge was still in college, try and follow along. And again.....INTs are so overrated, a qb who throws 6 picks but his team averages 16 points a game is not somebody I want over a guy who throws 15 picks but whose team averages 22 points a game. With our defense as long as our QB isn't throwing 25 picks a year we need a QB to throw TDs not worry about INTs. You give our defense 22 a game and we're a 12 win team.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Btw zorn is getting on my nerves too with his yukking it up with danny and the crew.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 23, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

uh..that's his boss nimrod!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 23, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

frak that's is a unique way to look at it. How is someone like Campbell motivated would you say?

Posted by: TWISI | April 23, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I still maintain, that if he is given the chance by the uber idiot Snidely Owl, Colt Brennan will easily beat out Sanchez for the starters job without a Jason Campbell in the picture. The stats appear to indicate that is what will happen.

Posted by: periculum | April 23, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Btw zorn is getting on my nerves too with his yukking it up with danny and the crew.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 23, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

uh..that's his boss nimrod!

Posted by: rickyroge

Yeah, uh nimrod, there is a difference between doing your job and overdoing it. If he doesn't have the respect of his players he's going to be fired anyway. I really hope there is another story going on behind the scenes bc for him to stand up and say we're behind Jason 100% and then act like this, he doesn't deserve his players respect.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 23, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

one more thing Peri, you're failing to mention that he also threw 111 TDs over the same period you're quoting the Ints from. That's 30 more TD's than Ints, or roughly 5 less TDs than JC's thrown his entire career. The fact that you're even trying to argue that JC is better than Peyton after 4 years in the league is retarded. INTs are only damaging if they directly lead to points like you know TD passes do. If my QB is throwing 3 TDs a game and 2 picks but his picks result in 3 points I'm fine with that and with our defense, 20 INTs in a season wouldn't be anywhere close to points against 20 times as a result.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Pitiful yes, but hardly all his fault.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Right, cause the 1000 yard receiver, pro bowl TE, T, RB and top 5 defense that JC plays with is soooooooo much worse than the absolutely terrible Colts team that Peyton broke in on that had no oline, no defense, a great RB and a good receiver who was early in his career too, yet he managed to at least average more than a TD a game.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2009 10:10 PM

That's right, a 1000 yard reciever that gets lost in the small amount of space at the end of the field. A pro bowl tight end that gets double teamed near that same part of the field because he's the only receiver that the QB can see. A RB that gets nagging injuries and has a tough time breaking the plane of the goal because all teams have to do is stack that probowl tackles side of the line to get a push because the rest of the line just crumbles. Lets not forget that top 5 defense that is great until the last drive that beats us because our WHOLE offense couldn't get enough points on the board to have it not matter.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

also keep in mind that Snyder really respects Sonny's opinion and I'm sure they spoke as well

Posted by: snyderbandwagon | April 23, 2009 9:59 PM

Exactly. I listen to the radio quite a bit when I can't get to the sports bar to watch. MANY times Sonny will talk about "he (Campbell) had BLANK wide open and could not find him"

The agent speak lends credence to Redskins moving JC as part of the Sanchez mating ritual. Gonna get REALLY interesting.

If we can get Sanchez and a number 1 this year(say from Jets, Bucs or Vikes) for Campbell, I say go for it. Wouldn't any 3 of those teams love to essentially draft Campbell, a proven NFL starter, in the first round this year?

BUT, you can't have both on the roster. And you shouldn't. If I'm Colt Brennan, I'm loving this. Sanchez comes in, those two compete heads up for the starting gig...at least to start the year.

Sanchez doesn't come in, Campbell is gonna be in tell Snyderatto to FO mode, and Colt is the front runner going into 2010.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 23, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

No matter how you may feel about JC, mortgaging the future to pick the young, dirty Sanchez out of USC would be a dubious decision, at best...

At worst, it would be just plain stupid.

Let's give Colt a shot if and when JC does stall.

More importantly; how about putting a pass rush together, and how about addressing the offensive line, and how about finding CP's replacement, and how about shoring up our defensive backfield, and how about finding someone who can return kickoffs and punts for TD's, and...

As far as JC being offended by the way he's been treated by the FO.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

JC could have silenced all the critics by having played a bigger game to date.

insert no excuses here_______ (although there is no shortage of excuses.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 23, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I like the Eastern theme that frak has brought this evening. Here is my contribution.

a haiku:

Golden Mark Sanchez
Trojan warrior stricken down
Concussed by D. Ware

the end.

Posted by: John_Keats | April 23, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah zjfr2, and if every team that doesn't have Peyton Manning for a QB needs a new one, how many teams are going to be looking for a new QB on Saturday?

You're picking on Peri's factumentation, which is low hanging fruit.

But you do the same yourself, what with the measuring stats over the last 8 games, while ignoring what actually happened (our OL got broken, Portis got a serious knee smacking).

We all watched the games. Try to remember that next time you're pulling stats out your @ss.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 23, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

If we can get Sanchez and a number 1 this year(say from Jets, Bucs or Vikes) for Campbell, I say go for it. Wouldn't any 3 of those teams love to essentially draft Campbell, a proven NFL starter, in the first round this year?

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The answer is NO!

NO, NO, NO, NO.

No one is giving up a first round pick for Jason Campbell.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 23, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh here we go with the haiku's again:

Rampant rumors suck
They make people act stupid
Dan needs no help there

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

frak that's is a unique way to look at it. How is someone like Campbell motivated would you say?

Posted by: TWISI

Hard to say...He can be great , but we've got to motivate him (Gibbs I think instinctively saw this also, but the turnover in coaches and organizational turmoil has not helped)..You can see the scrambling Sanchez's ready-fire in college clearly is attractive to Danny: we all know Campbell has big potential, but we are looking for results yesterday. I think the patience of TIME with a good QB coach like Zorn will benefit him immensely, though maybe Zorn feels like he inherited a previous administration's QB and he is used to Hasselback, maybe the relationship isn't that great, but the stormy 1st year weather doesn't help..If Zorn accepts Campbell and Campbell accepts Zorn, I think both will rise...zenmaster has spoken..

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Paging NateinthePDX...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 23, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Mel Kiper Jr.'s hair
Hypnotizing Dan Snyder
Into trading up

Posted by: John_Keats | April 23, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

If we can get Sanchez and a number 1 this year(say from Jets, Bucs or Vikes) for Campbell, I say go for it. Wouldn't any 3 of those teams love to essentially draft Campbell, a proven NFL starter, in the first round this year?

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The answer is NO!

NO, NO, NO, NO.

No one is giving up a first round pick for Jason Campbell.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 23, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Fine. Campbell stays then, if its up to me. MY price is a 1 rd pick for JC. Alas, I'm in Hawaii and not Ashburn.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 23, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

And one day you wake up and you're the Raiders.

We're going 105 mph straight into the median. Come to think of it, this Sanchez (and Cutler) BS is so poisonous that maybe it will actually turn the Redskins around, for real, four or five years from now, once we COMPLETELY unravel as a result.

Already I'm sure this is doing wonders for team morale and cohesion.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 23, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

It's been a minute since I've posted, but I felt the need to put in my two cents.

The past couple of months have shown how truly dysfunctional the Redskins have become. This team and franchise have been in a state of disarray since Gibbs 1.0 retired. It's a shame really. Vinny & Snyder have shown ZERO class recently. The only time they've supported Campbell is when he was drafted and that's only because St. Joe pulled the trigger. Seriously, Campbell hasn't been given the opportunity to settle into an offense. You can count the number of offenses he's had to learn on two hands since he played at Auburn. Big ups to Campbell for showing some cojones in requesting a trade should the Skins pull the trigger on the unproven Sanchez. Vinny & Snyder are always looking for the big splash, but that's not how you build a franchise. Gibbs 2.0 had the right idea of identifying core Redskins, those who truly bleed burgundy & gold, not mercenaries looking to cash in on a wealthy owner who knows diddly about football.

I'm off the soapbox. I'm just a disgusted fan at this point. I guess I'm glad I live in Louisville and don't have to deal with the madness regularly if I stayed in the DMV.

Posted by: JinxMan | April 23, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Year after year the front office spend a lot of money on players that don't produced. Jason has had three different offensive coord in 5 years and a depleted offensive line. when he was 6-2 you guys had nothing to say. Sanchez a franchise player? Cutler franchise? I pray Jason goes to Philly and return to smash the Redskins twice a year. You stupid dummies

Posted by: kmoyd | April 23, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

5,7,5 john, 5,7,5

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

There's flexibility! heheh

Posted by: John_Keats | April 23, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Since it once again has become relevant (from a previous post):

For this evaluation, I'm putting Zorn and Campbell together, as one does not work without the other (due to playcalling)

It seems to me, based on the stats I posted above, that Campbell's at his best when he's put on the spot to step up (3rd & long, close games in the 4th quarter, red zone, against the blitz, in terrible field position).

When he seems to be at his worst is when he and/or Zorn get complacent, or when they don't feel the "need" to go for the big hit (1st & 10, 1st quarters, when the team is leading, 3rd & short, when the team is outside the red zone in the opponents half). To me, this reeks of a conservative gameplan and conservative mindset from both Zorn and Campbell, not wanting to blow any mistakes when it's not necessary to risk them.

Campbell also seems to be better when he's taking shots down the field than when he's not (this could be a criticism or Zorn for not calling more shots, a criticism of Campbell for not taking more shots, or a praise of Campbell for ensuring he's going to be efficient when he does take shots).

It's also interesting to note that he has trouble in 3 WR sets (a playbook mastery issue?), but then is good with 4+ WR sets (shows good progressions?). They contradict each other, so I'm unsure what to make of it.

The other standout statistic is that Campbell was sacked 24 times on 322 non-blitzes vs 14 sacks on 184 blitzes. Every 13.4 non-blitz rushes Campbell got sacked. Every 13.1 blitzes Campbell got sacked. They get beat more often without the blitz than they do with the blitz. Two theories here:

(1) When there is no blitz, Campbell holds the ball too long looking through his progressions, thus leading to more sacks. When there is a blitz, he's forced to think quickly and gets rid of it in a timely fashion. Campbell needs to do better with the speed of his progressions in non-blitz situations.

(2) When there is a blitz, Campbell's quick mind hits the hot read, thus leading to his high efficiency. When there is no blitz, there is no hot read, and the offensive line doesn't give Campbell the adequate time necessary to work through his progressions properly.

Of course, it could be a combination of both. My feeling is that it's a combo of both, and Campbell's extra time in the same playbook will most certainly help his progressions. On the other hand, I don't know how much better the offensive line will be simply by sticking together, considering they've mostly all been playing together for a while now.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

still go back to a previous poster's point...no one will give us a 2nd rounder for him!!! Lisa are you mad, because it's thhe FO again or do you really beleive in Campbell???

Posted by: rickyroge

No, I'm not "mad" (except mad as Hell with Snyder!) - I really do believe in Jason Campbell. And how do you know that no one will give us a Second Rounder for him? The reports that you probably heard were for 1 or 2 teams who have other needs.

As many of you know, I tried to find the good in Snyder after he brought Gibbs back. Snyder seemed to have stepped back and turned the player decisions over to someone who actually knows football but since Gibbs departure, he has reverted. I still tried to support him until the Cutler debacle. With the latest Sanchez rumors, Snyder has shown he has no football knowledge, no respect for his players OR the fans. The "meeting" between Campbell and Snyder after the Cutler fiasco when reportedly the air was cleared....obviously a lie on Snyder's part since he wasted no time going after yet ANOTHER QB - simply because that QB has "personality."

I predict Sanchez will be a bust - name me ONE QB from USC who has been truly successful with the exception of Carson Palmer (Matt Cassell is still TBD). And Sanchez has played 16 flippin' games???

Snyder is probably looking at the success that Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco had last season and thinking Sanchez will succeed as well. Yeah, right! I believe both Ryan and Flacco started several years in college and I think Ryan was truly good and Flacco truly lucky.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 23, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

To tell you the truth, after looking at all those stats and analyzing where Campbell is effective and where he struggles, I'm actually more excited about his prospects for next season than I was before.

It's painfully obvious that he can do anything and everything on the field. You can't be a poor QB yet be great against the blitz, great in the 4th quarter of close games, great in the red zone, great in terrible field position, great on 3rd & longs, great on 4th downs, and basically great in every clutch "need-to-step-up" situation. He has everything.

To me, his (and Zorn's) problem is mental. He's either mindf***ing himself into thinking he can't take risks when it's not necessary, or Zorn is mindf***ing him into thinking the same thing.

The thing is, Campbell is great when he takes risks. He consistently steps it up when called upon. It's not necessary to "protect" him from himself. He's not Brad Johnson, or Trent Dilfer, or Kerry Collins, etc. He's actually a damn good playmaking QB. It just so happens that they don't think they need to make plays that often in order to win (because of their defense and running game).

I really, really hope they get over that mental block of conservative playcalling. It will be fun to see him unleashed, if it ever happens.

Posted by: psps23 | April 3, 2009 1:29 PM

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Also, didnt feel the need to re-post the stats, but trust me, they match the evaluation. Unless you absolutely need to see them, and simply can't believe your eyes...

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

This is completely random, but I think it would be great if people started referring to FedEx Field as 'The Fed.' Intimidating. Fitting of the town. Just cool.


Thoughts?

Posted by: John_Keats | April 23, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

I get the JC loyalty. I feel it, too. It pains me to think of how this loyal Redskin is being publically thrown under the bus over and over.

BUT, IF you (S,C,Z) think JC is NOT the answwer, then you have to go get the guy who you think is the answer HOPEFULLY W/O completely depleting the already thin draft cupboard. I'm not sure they can get that done. We'll see.

I will say that iwas jsut as disapointed as the rest of you in the collapse last year. Not all of it was JC's fault. In fairness, some of it was...he does take sacks, fails to get the ball to open recievers, and tneds to lock in

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 23, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

F U Dan
F U RI
F U vinny
F U Jla
F U Gibbs haters

I saw on ESPN Trent Dilfer thinks Sanbag should be the number one pick.

Jla used is memory today for the first time in history. He pointed out the durring the coaching search JC was mister franchise QB and now after an OK year is gone.

Posted by: mul123 | April 23, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Whats up with the bold posts. Doesn't make the points any smarter. If we draft Sanchez this franchise is ruined for at least 5 more years.

Pin em deep Hunter Smith.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 23, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Any one else think the best move Snyder could make is to drop his millions/billions on bringing the Redskins back to DC?

Posted by: JinxMan | April 23, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

All jokes and posting aside, many people point to the Steelers, Ravens, Eagles and New England as "model" franchises...

Let's not pretend they struck gold on all their draft picks.

Their success has been the draft with the same coach and same system.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 23, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes please will the Gibbs haters please show me how things are getting better with out him.

He got a team with no QB - Running Back - OL - D - or WR and TE. Turned into an OK team in a few years with the worst owner this side of Mississippi.

Posted by: mul123 | April 23, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Remember the last RECORD breaking quarterback in the Superbowl for the Redskins was DOUG WILLIAMS and you guys said the same thing about him and you believed in Jay. Get him a OL and someone with guts to throw the ball down the field. What game are you guys watching?

Posted by: kmoyd | April 23, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Jeff George

Posted by: mul123 | April 23, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes please will the Gibbs haters please show me how things are getting better with out him.

He got a team with no QB - Running Back - OL - D - or WR and TE. Turned into an OK team in a few years with the worst owner this side of Mississippi.

Posted by: mul123 | April 23, 2009 10:59 PM

I think you're delusional.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I believe in Campbell. When given the opportunity, we've all seen what the kid can do. Keep the faith and pray the FO uses some form of common sense on Saturday.

Posted by: JinxMan | April 23, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

When Gibbs 2.0 came in we had a good Oline, Portis,and Moss.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Dan = Jeff George, Shan Matthews, Patrick R., Danny W, and now a guy who 'no joke' has the Mexican flag in his Mouth piece to show respect.

Posted by: mul123 | April 23, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

"BUT, IF you (S,C,Z) think JC is NOT the answwer, then you have to go get the guy who you think is the answer HOPEFULLY W/O completely depleting the already thin draft cupboard.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe"

No, you don't. Especially not when you think it's a guy who started one season in college and is almost assuredly not ready to start from day one in the NFL. Let me learn you for a second.

Jim Zorn is on the hot seat. Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, Mike Holmgren, and Brian Billick will all be on the market in 2010. All have SB rings. All put that gleam in the eye of Snyder. If Zorn wants to keep his job, he has to win NOW.

Now, say the team drafts Sanchez and trades Campbell. Where does the starter come from? Sanchez? Will Zorn put his career in the hands of a rookie? Or will he put it in the hands of Todd Collins, who, per multiple sources, looked head and shoulders below Jason Campbell running this offense? Either way, Zorn is screwed. He's going to lose.

Now, for Sanchez, who most likely won't start and instead sit and "learn", it will be a completely wasted season. Sanchez will have familiarized himself with a completely useless playbook, because when Zorn loses, he'll be tossed out the door for a big name coach. The next coach will come in, Sanchez will then have 1 season starting experience in the last 4 years, he'll have switched systems, and he'll essentially be a redshirt rookie. It will take him likely another year for Sanchez to familiarize himself with the playbook, and the Skins will have wasted two years of his early career.

Factor in the fact that a top 15 QB will make somewhere in the ballpark of $50 million (3 years ago, Cutler signed for $48 at pick 11), and you've now thrown away 2 years of a very expensive contract (which is not including the losing seasons we will attribute during Haynesworth's, Hall's, and Dockery's contracts). Throw in the fact that selecting Sanchez means we'll have even LESS picks to address the other, glaring needs, and Sanchez will be put into an even more dire situation than Campbell ever was. It's a complete uphill battle to bring in Sanchez, and it will take an exceptional QB for him to even come close to succeeding at Snyder's level. And we know what happens when Snyder doesn't have an immaculate QB. It's a vicious cycle.

Sanchez should be praying that he doesn't come here.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

When Gibbs 2.0 came in we had a good Oline, Portis,and Moss.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

No gibbs got Moss in his second year and CP his first year for CB and a 2nd rounder (good trade).

Jansen got hurt in is first PS game (one year). We had no center and Dock was a 1st year. That is three big wholes in the line.

Posted by: mul123 | April 23, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Now, say the team drafts Sanchez and trades Campbell. Where does the starter come from? Sanchez? Will Zorn put his career in the hands of a rookie? Or will he put it in the hands of Todd Collins, who, per multiple sources, looked head and shoulders below Jason Campbell running this offense? Either way, Zorn is screwed. He's going to lose.

Now, for Sanchez, who most likely won't start and instead sit and "learn", it will be a completely wasted season. Sanchez will have familiarized himself with a completely useless playbook, because when Zorn loses, he'll be tossed out the door for a big name coach. The next coach will come in, Sanchez will then have 1 season starting experience in the last 4 years, he'll have switched systems, and he'll essentially be a redshirt rookie. It will take him likely another year for Sanchez to familiarize himself with the playbook, and the Skins will have wasted two years of his early career.

Posted by: psps23

EXACTLY! And the poor fans...we continue to wait...and wait...and wait...

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 23, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm just trying to figure out how this is all going to go down.

So we trade up to Fourth to get Sanchez.
JC demands a trade.
Skins can't find any buyers (offers of low round picks only).
JC is forced to play out with a gigantic chip on this shoulder, playing for his next employer and putting up decent numbers (that is, when he is not being planted into the ground by the opposing D). Sanchez and Colt carry clip boards.
JC leaves as FA in 2010. Sanchez ready to go.

Ultimately, the biggest problem is we haven't addressed the holes at OL and DL. But maybe this turns out OK in 2011 and 2012. It's not like this team is going to the SB in 2010.

On the other hand, as someone accurately put, we won SBs with Doug Williams and Mark Rypien. We could win with JC too in WCO if we had decent lines!

Posted by: PapsInManila | April 23, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

For those of you advocating for Sanchez, what makes you think this pick will turn out any differently than the previous 9 QBs Snyderatto has drafted?

And by the way, Sanchez started exactly 16 games in college. That's his experience.

Oh, and my loyalty to Campbell stems directly from my loyalty to the Skins. This is exactly the wrong time to cut him lose:

Matt Hasselbeck:

3rd Year NFL, 1st under Zorn: 7 TDs, 8 INTs, 70.9 QB rate

4rd Year NFL, 2nd under Zorn: 15 TDs, 10 INTs, 87.8 QB rate

5th Year NFL, 3nd under Zorn: 26 TDs, 15 INTs, 88.8 QB rate (Pro-Bowl)

(Also Pro-Bowl in 7th and 9th year in NFL, his 5th and 7th under Zorn)

JC17:

3rd Year NFL: 12 TDs, 11 INTs, 77.6 QB rate

4rd Year NFL, 1st under Zorn: 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 84.3 QB rate

5th Year NFL, 2nd under Zorn: ?????

I think you will see a similar pattern of development for Mark Rypien and Gus Frerotte.

Do you trust Snyderatto mortgaging the Skins future for another QB he won't allow to develop?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 23, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse


This is completely random, but I think it would be great if people started referring to FedEx Field as 'The Fed.' Intimidating. Fitting of the town. Just cool.


Thoughts?

Posted by: John_Keats | April 23, 2009 10:53 PM
==========================================
Teh Fed's rep was a little better before they fed the housing bubble until it all blew up.

A little humility is good for everyone.

From Alan Greenspan, to Ben S. Bernanke, and right on down to our very own little self made Napoleon himself, Danny Snider.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 23, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

When Gibbs 2.0 came in we had a good Oline, Portis,and Moss.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

No gibbs got Moss in his second year and CP his first year for CB and a 2nd rounder (good trade).

Jansen got hurt in is first PS game (one year). We had no center and Dock was a 1st year. That is three big wholes in the line.

Posted by: mul123

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Mul is correct on this one. Don't forget that Gibbs also brought in Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, and Cornelius Griffin in that offseason before his first season in 2.0. He single-handedly turned this franchise around. Now Snyder and Cerrato seem to be pulling a U-ey.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

For all the Jason Campbell supporters: Don't you think it is odd that multiple teams will offer multiple picks for Jay Cutler, but won't even offer us a 4th rounder for JC17??????

I stand by my conviction that Jason Campbell is an average QB at best!!!!!!!

Posted by: Vicc | April 23, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

USC/PSU on ESPNU now. Sanchez, Rey M, Cushing, Matthews, Maybin all in there. Sanchez does not suck although he's throwing to wide open guys. I just think it's not worth what it would cost given the uncertainty and the fact that we already have at worst an okay qb and at best a potential star.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 23, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

You do not win Super Bowls without a top offensive line and a passrushing defense (at least thats the Redskins experience)..Campbell hasn't yet shown his best stuff.

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Zorn (assuming he'd have asserted himself if otherwise and he does not appear to have done so re. Cutler or Sanchez), Vinny and Snyder apparently all want Sanchez.
The price is WAY too high.
JC deserves another year (YES HE DOES, from an investment standpoint, from a continuity standpoint, and because he's shown steady - not spectacular - progress and will continue to improve, especially if the protection is shored up and the receiving corps produces more).

We can only hope that Sanchez is one thing Danny can't buy. (this year's 1st and 3rd + next year's 1st!!??) However, as long as these clowns are calling the shots, we're in for a string of mediocre seasons and over hyped gossip.

What a miracle it would be if they took the best available OT at 13 or traded down. Then the only damage would be to team morale. Even if JC plays this season how could he wind up staying with these jerk offs running things.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 23, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

I like the X more than the Fed. I wish I wasn't under contract to pay to support this crap. I thought Gibbs was going to put us on the right track...

Posted by: AdamCr | April 23, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

"I stand by my conviction that Jason Campbell is an average QB at best!!!!!!!"

Stand by it all you want, it doesn't make it any more or less true.

As far as your assertion, which is nowhere near fact, none of us have any idea whatsoever what has been offered for Campbell. For all we know, the Redskins have teams fighting to give up a 1st rounder for him. We don't know because he hasn't been traded. And he hasn't been traded because the Redskins will not trade him unless they have either (1) a starter, like Cutler, in place for him, or (2) 100% assurance of acquiring a future "franchise QB", like Sanchez. Neither of those things have happened, and thus, Campbell has not been traded. Snyder may be impulsive and whacked out priority-wise, but he's not dumb enough to sign $200 million in contracts to free agents in the offseason only to turn around and trade his starting QB with zero contingency on who the replacement would be. So any assertions that other teams "won't even offer us a 4th rounder for JC17" are completely and 100% unfounded.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

You know it's funny. I hear alot about numbers but the wins-not so much. We are an 8-8 team. We lose to 13-3 teams just like we do to 3-13 teams. Under Gibbs or Zorn or whoever: JC will not take this team to the next level. But the D can. This team has one shot, and we are close to it. Get the nastiest Defensive player with #13, OL the rest of the draft and ride the defense (like the Ravens). Otherwise, it won't matter if we get Sanchez or Smith, the O can't carry the Skins.

Posted by: jandlml | April 23, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

One reason we aren't getting high picks for Campbell is our dumb front office is salivating at the opportunity to pimp him out to the league, so they know it's not worth paying full value.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 23, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

For all the Jason Campbell supporters: Don't you think it is odd that multiple teams will offer multiple picks for Jay Cutler, but won't even offer us a 4th rounder for JC17??????

I stand by my conviction that Jason Campbell is an average QB at best!!!!!!!

Posted by: Vicc | April 23, 2009 11:28 PM

That's an indictment of Snyder, not Campbell. Snyder has played his hand and devalued his starting QB. Snyder continues his history of being the NFL's fleecee, not fleecer.

Campbell has put up decent (but average) numbers, much like Hasselbeck and Rypien did at this stage of their careers. He could have a just as easily have a Pro Bowl year as he could another average year. His performance is eerily similar to Hasselebeck's before he put up a Pro-Bowl year.

Jake Delhomme (15 TDs, 12 INTs, 84.7 QB rate) just put up a season like JC17's and clocked a five-year, $42.5 million extension.

Snyder doesn't often reward his own, he prefers to reward someone else's.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 23, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

For all the Jason Campbell supporters: Don't you think it is odd that multiple teams will offer multiple picks for Jay Cutler, but won't even offer us a 4th rounder for JC17??????

I stand by my conviction that Jason Campbell is an average QB at best!!!!!!!

Posted by: Vicc | April 23, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

That means 16th best in the world. That can get you a lot of places. Eli Ben and Trent all won supper bowls. Does anyone think Jay C or Sandman are big Manning or Brady. QB hard to predict. Cutler was dumped by Denver for Matt Casttle. Then KC only gave a 2nd rounder for Matt HUh.

JC has gotten better every year he has played in College and the NFL.JC had one year left on the contract so a 2nd rounder is not bad. If he had three years might be worth more in a trade.

Posted by: mul123 | April 23, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

One reason we aren't getting high picks for Campbell is our dumb front office is salivating at the opportunity to pimp him out to the league, so they know it's not worth paying full value.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 23, 2009 11:44 PM | =============================================

Let me take this moment to agree with JM220:

The Redskins' Courtship of Miles Standish, I mean Mark Sanchez, is far too over the top to be serious.

This is a guy they'd have to pay up for with picks, and they're publicly driving the price up?

Danny does many (way too many) stupid things.

But he doesn't do this specific stupid thing.


~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 24, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Although I do agree we need O-line help, Clinton Portis is consistently putting up hall of fame numbers with them.

JC17...?

Posted by: Vicc | April 24, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

the O can't carry the Skins.

Posted by: jandlml

But it sure can take some pressure off, those D boys were PRESSED in the second half of the second half of the season last year, but they played admirably. Injuries to the aging O-line..

Posted by: frak | April 24, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Although I do agree we need O-line help, Clinton Portis is consistently putting up hall of fame numbers with them.

JC17...?

Posted by: Vicc | April 24, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Hall of fame numbers? When the second half came about and the O line crumbled, I don't recall Portis or anyone else putting up "hall of fame numbers" Do you even watch the Skins?

Posted by: ga8085 | April 24, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Jake Delhomme (15 TDs, 12 INTs, 84.7 QB rate) just put up a season like JC17's and clocked a five-year, $42.5 million extension.

Snyder doesn't often reward his own, he prefers to reward someone else's.
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Not sure the fact that Carolina extended the QB who single-handedly lost a home playoff game does a good job of supporting your arguement.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 24, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

The Times are reporting that the Jets could be interested in Campbell. This really sucks

Posted by: ga8085 | April 24, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Although I do agree we need O-line help, Clinton Portis is consistently putting up hall of fame numbers with them.

JC17...?

Posted by: Vicc | April 24, 2009 12:01 AM

Portis is worthy of the HOF. But do we really need a HOF RB and a HOF QB to win? Here's the impact of the O-line:

CPortis: 9 TDs on 342 carries.
Broncos 3 no-name RBs: 10 TDs on 205 carries.

The math shows Portis carrying the ball an extra 137 times and getting 1 more TD. The Broncos also combined for a 4.7 yard/carry average, while Portis managed a 4.3 yard/carry average.

Are the Broncos no-name RBs putting up HOF numbers, too? They seem to be kicking Portis' ass in terms of production.

Fix the O-line before we talk about replacing QBs.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 24, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

to ga8085:

Can we please get serious here, I mean we're on the same team. Clinton is good for 1300 yds and 7 tds every year he's played for us...he's gonna make the HOF and he's doing it despite avg QB play!!!

JC17????

Posted by: Vicc | April 24, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Not sure the fact that Carolina extended the QB who single-handedly lost a home playoff game does a good job of supporting your arguement.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 24, 2009 12:08 AM

Actually it does. Clearly the Panthers front office is not making knee-jerk changes based on a single game. Maybe that's why the Pathers were IN a playoff game, while the Skins can't seem to get there when Joe Gibbs isn't there to keep the FO from over-reacting.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 24, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

To Alan4:

Do you realize how hard it is to do what Clinton Portis is doing for us...with our terrible O-line?

Posted by: Vicc | April 24, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, the math shows Portis carrying the ball an extra 137 times and getting 1 less TD

Posted by: Alan4 | April 24, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

you know what baffles me more than the front office?

Fans on this blog who continue to live in dream land when it comes to Jason Campbell.

When did he become a QB we can't live without? When did he become the all pro everyone in here acts like he is.

Campbell is a classy guy...good role model and great attitude. Especially as of late....But being a great role model classy guy does NOT win ballgames.

I just can not see for the life of me...what in the hell all these peeps that think he is so good see in this guy. He played well in a 4 game stretch last season out of 2 1/2 years starting after he was on the bench for a year or so watching and learning.

When are the excuses going to stop? this guys career is half over already....how much longer to you want to give him "time"?

He has a slow release...he can't hold on to the ball, he can't read defenses down field, he chokes more often than not in the redzone and the excuses given on here are "too many offenses to learn", "Needs more time", "he has no Wrs".

Ok then why oh why was a old so so guy like Collins able to succeed in 2007 with basically THE SAME WRS???????? I know he knew the system very well but that does not come in to play if the wrs are as bad as people say on here.

He could not even be a down field threat with a dominate running game behind him.

now some will talk stats...ok fine....if you dink and dunk all the time and never go down filed often...you won't throw many picks and you will have a high completion %


Bottom line...Campbell has beeen given PLENTY of time to show he is the guy...5 years! 5 YEARS!!!!!! But the FO is impatient and not giving him time? PLEASE

In fact...the excuse of being in a different system every other year...well thats BS....since he has been with the Skins as a starter...He has been in two systems....Sannders and Zorn. Adding...who cares if he is in different systems...It's football...all systems are similar just different terms etc etc....He is a pro....if he does not understand how an offense works in any system by now...He never will.

Of course I will get bashed on here for stating my opinion and people will copy and paste things out of context etc etc...but bottom line....

Most are soooo blind and in love when it comes to Campbell...But the truth is...he is an average game manager with a slow release.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Yes I do, Vicc. And I also realize how hard it is for JC17 to be a middling QB with that terrible O-line. He would easily move into the top 10 QBs with an average O-line.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 24, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

to ga8085:

Can we please get serious here, I mean we're on the same team. Clinton is good for 1300 yds and 7 tds every year he's played for us...he's gonna make the HOF and he's doing it despite avg QB play!!!

JC17????

Posted by: Vicc | April 24, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

I don't get your point. When the O line was doing a decent job blocking in the first half of the season, Portis AND JC were putting up Pro Bowl numbers. JC hadn't thrown a freaking INT! Now compare that to the second half when the O line sucked, and both JC and Portis numbers went down drastically. You can't compare Portis numbers from other seasons cause the Line wasn't as bad as it was this past season.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 24, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Good for him. It's about time he showed some nuts. He's been treated like sh!t. Of course it is just business, but he's taken this stuff with class.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh cry me a river.....How has he been treated like sh!t? He is a pro...he has been here 4 years....He started for 2 and 1/2....The team has given him plenty of chances to step up and he has not delivered.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

leevi, that kind of thinking is why Mark Rypien was the last stable QB we've had. QB's do improve after their 3rd and 4th years, as Hasselbeck did.

What's so wrong about actually letting a QB develop? Many Pro-Bowlers looked like JC17 at this stage of their careers (yes, I know there have been some exceptions who lit it up earlier--there have been even more busts).

Posted by: Alan4 | April 24, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

My two cents for what it is worth (probably less then two cents)

1. As of right now nothing has happened because the draft is not until Sat. As Vinny said there are still three options (stay put, trade up, trade down) and any could occur
2. Because of the many needs the Redskins have and the uncertainty of whether or not a player will ever reach their potential a trade up would not be a good idea, stick with Campbell and try to improve other parts of the team
3. If Sanchez is there at 13 it is worth considering if your scouts and coachs believe he could be significantly better then Campbell
4. If Sanchez is drafted Campbell can ask to be traded, the Redskins of course can decline. If Campbell performs well the team succeeds and Campbell gets paid (either here or elsewhere). If Campbell does not succeed then Sanchez is in place for the following year.
5. As for this lack of respect, lack of loyalty, etc, that is a bunch of crap. It is the responsibility of the FO to try its best to field the best possible team. This often means seeking trades or drafting replacements for current players. If they don't pan out then you work with the players you have. On the reverse you don't find too many players that take less money to stay with their current team because they too know it is a business.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 24, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Most are soooo blind and in love when it comes to Campbell...But the truth is...he is an average game manager with a slow release.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that the O line, Dline, and LB spots need more help then the QB position. You give up the house to get Sanchez and you don't improve any of those other positions. SO what do you have then? A rookie QB playing behind a crappy line while the Defense gets older and worse. So to say that fans are in love with JC is not correct, it's more of a common sense issue.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 24, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

The point, ga8085, is that Clinton Portis is consistent irregardless of what point in the season it is. I know what I'm getting with Clinton.

I promise you Clinton will still manage to get AROUND 1300 yds and 7 tds in '09, just like Campbell will avg AROUND 10 tds and 6 int's.

Do you think that opposing defensive coordinators are concerned with stopping Campbell??? I promise you they gear up to stop our run and Clinton still puts up HOF #'s

Posted by: Vicc | April 24, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm pissed off because the front office hasn't given anyone a real chance to succeed. No stability and constant changing of coaches, systems, and QB's equals losing. Campbell has shown the most promise of any QB in a long time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse


So your saying it was the front office who messed up when Joe Gibbs retired again because his grandson has cancer and he wanted to be back in Carolina so he could be with him...gibbs was here 4 years....

So let's look....he fired Norv Tuner...whom he did not hire in the first place...Did you want to keep Norv?

then he hired Shotty...and gave him full control...but Shotty rubbed evryone the wrong way including D. Green and he was let go...Shot did an of job but it just was not a good fit.

He hired Gator steve whom quit after 2 seasons or was told he would be fired cause Gibbs was wanting to come back to coaching. Did you want to keep Steve?

I do not think all these issues were on on the front office...

Cahnging systems is really not that big of a deal....Granted I agree it takes a year or so with some QBs...but football is football and if you can't grasp different offenses after playing the game since you were a kid through HS and then College and then 4 years as a pro....Your not gonna get it!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

So to say that fans are in love with JC is not correct, it's more of a common sense issue.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 24, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

You did not read my whole post did you?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line...Campbell has beeen given PLENTY of time to show he is the guy...5 years! 5 YEARS!!!!!! But the FO is impatient and not giving him time? PLEASE

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 12:16 AM

Campbell has been in the NFL for FOUR years. Hasselbeck was benched in his 3rd year for poor performace, but made the Pro-Bowl in his FIFTH YEAR.

THIS is Campbell's FIFTH YEAR. If you care to scroll up to my post at 11:17 PM, you will see a very similar trajectory between JC17 and 3-time Pro Bowler Hasselbeck. Four years would not have been enough for Hasselbeck.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 24, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Portis has started in this league for like the past 7 yrs. So of course you know what your getting with him because you have a solid history to go back on. JC has started for about 2yrs. And it takes a QB alot longer to get the hang of it then it does a RB. To compare the two statistically is unfair. Now if JC had been in the league for about the same amount of time as Portis, I could see your point.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 24, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

ga8085:

You're too much.

I hope I'm wrong about JC17, because that means we will better than I thought.

What if you're wrong about JC17?

Posted by: Vicc | April 24, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

What if you're wrong about JC17?

Posted by: Vicc | April 24, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Then he becomes a free agent and THEN you go after another QB. Get the man a decent O line first and let him be in a consistent system for more then a yr before going after another QB that you will have to develop for another 2yrs. Good day kind sir!

Posted by: ga8085 | April 24, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line...Campbell has beeen given PLENTY of time to show he is the guy...5 years! 5 YEARS!!!!!! But the FO is impatient and not giving him time? PLEASE

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 12:16 AM

Campbell has been in the NFL for FOUR years. Hasselbeck was benched in his 3rd year for poor performace, but made the Pro-Bowl in his FIFTH YEAR.

THIS is Campbell's FIFTH YEAR. If you care to scroll up to my post at 11:17 PM, you will see a very similar trajectory between JC17 and 3-time Pro Bowler Hasselbeck. Four years would not have been enough for Hasselbeck.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 24, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Your right..it is 4 years and you will see in a post a few minutes later i had correct the typo.

So yeah...I see your point...all those rings Hasselbeck has is just exactly what we are looking for. And what happen to him after the awesome running game went away????

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

leevi, I don't understand your argument. Are you blaming Hasselbeck's success for the Seahawks not winning rings (they did beat the Skins in the playoffs, by the way)?

I didn't see this particular line of reasoning around the discussion of Cutler, who hasn't won squat. Please help me out here.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 24, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

leevi, I don't understand your argument. Are you blaming Hasselbeck's success for the Seahawks not winning rings (they did beat the Skins in the playoffs, by the way)?

I didn't see this particular line of reasoning around the discussion of Cutler, who hasn't won squat. Please help me out here.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 24, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

You were making it sound like Matt is great QB...He is good but I think he was better served when he had the best running game in football....The year he went to the Superbowl and he had a very bad game that day....

Anyway...i don't care about Matt....I only care about what the skins are doing....

If we keep Campbell so be it....he will be gone by next season...If they don't so be it....we can move on......

My whole point is that I do not think Campebell is the QB we need. I'm not saying get Sanchez...I'm just saying Campbell is soooo over rated on this blog.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Oh cry me a river.....How has he been treated like sh!t? He is a pro...he has been here 4 years....He started for 2 and 1/2....The team has given him plenty of chances to step up and he has not delivered.

Posted by: leevi98


Do you remember the accolades of praise he was getting in week 8 at 6-2 and his high QB rating when he had a healthy offensive line?? THE WHOLE TEAM WENT SOUTH WHEN THE O-LINE FALTERED..

Posted by: frak | April 24, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

OK, so you think Campbell is overrated. And you think Hasselebeck is overrated. Who do you really think would succeed at QB for the Skins as they are now?

I'll get you started with a list of those that have tried since 1999, but you're free to think about anyone else who might be available:

Brad Johnson
Tony Banks
Jeff George
Shane Matthews
Danny Wuerffel
Tim Hasselbeck
Mark Brunell
Patrick Ramsey
Todd Collins
Jason Campbell

Posted by: Alan4 | April 24, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Only the niners, lions, and bengals gave up more sacks than the terrible oline for the steelers, yet big ben still managed to win a superbowl, throw in also the injuries to his rb's. I love campbell and would love to see him succeed, but dont let him off the hook entirely just because the line was no good.

Posted by: hcicron | April 24, 2009 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, if you know anything about football, offense is predicated on the O-line before anything else. Everyone, including analysts and pundits were on JC's jock before the line faltered. Don't give me that crap. Sanchez, Cutler, anyone under center would've faltered. Don't believe me, look at JC's sacks before and after week 8. Look at the offense. All correlated. All of it. This is the NFL. Offense all begins and ends with the offensive line. We need to fix it. Simple. Dan's too dumb to see it. No reason you should be too.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 24, 2009 1:21 AM | Report abuse

OK, so you think Campbell is overrated. And you think Hasselebeck is overrated. Who do you really think would succeed at QB for the Skins as they are now?

I'll get you started with a list of those that have tried since 1999, but you're free to think about anyone else who might be available:

Brad Johnson
Tony Banks
Jeff George
Shane Matthews
Danny Wuerffel
Tim Hasselbeck
Mark Brunell
Patrick Ramsey
Todd Collins
Jason Campbell


Posted by: Alan4 | April 24, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

I don't care what happen 10 years or last year for that matter. it's all about now and this year. Nice list thougyh...Campbell fits right in there....He reminds me alot of Tony Banks.

Oh and I never said matt was overated...I said is is not a great QB. I said Campbell was overated on this blog... In fact..this blog is really the only place I hear goodthings said about Campbell.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 1:21 AM | Report abuse

where did I say dont fix the line? where did I say we need cutler or sanchez? I did say I like campbell tho.

Posted by: hcicron | April 24, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget that he had 2 monster running backs dozin' people.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 23, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse


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That's an idea! Why don't we work on the running game. If that's unstoppable, we don't need some Prima Dona Hype Magnet. Bet you could get a pretty nice Bruiser at RB for pick 13, huh? How 'bout that Le'Ron McClain from B'More? I remember him walking through our "top 5" Defense in the 4th Quarter of our matchup. Must have been Flacco's Genius at work.

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | April 24, 2009 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Do you remember the accolades of praise he was getting in week 8 at 6-2 and his high QB rating when he had a healthy offensive line?? THE WHOLE TEAM WENT SOUTH WHEN THE O-LINE FALTERED..

Posted by: frak | April 24, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

No actually i do not...i remember everyone talking about how it was only a matter of time before the Skins went down.....Also the 6 and 2 start...was not that impressive...they were all close games...They could have lost any one of them...they did not dominate anyone...and JC was dinking and dunking the ball which leads too little or no picks and gives you a high Completion rate...then they lose to the rams...

Alos the crap on this blog about the o line not being good in the second half is complete BS! Defenses started stacking the line and focusing on the run and flat out daring the Skins to try and win it with Campbells arm.....guess what...they couldn't! I watched the O line give campbell over 4 seconds many times and he would take a sack ...He holds the ball too long...anyway...i'm over discussing it.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson won Super Bowl XXXVII 3 years after the Skins let him go following his 11 TDs, 15 INTs, 75.7 QB rate performance here.

Sometimes, it's not all about the QB... which I would say applies to Big Ben's 17 TDs, 15 INTs, 80.1 QB rate Super Bowl year.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 24, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson won Super Bowl XXXVII 3 years after the Skins let him go following his 11 TDs, 15 INTs, 75.7 QB rate performance here.

Sometimes, it's not all about the QB... which I would say applies to Big Ben's 17 TDs, 15 INTs, 80.1 QB rate Super Bowl year.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 24, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse


hey I agree 100% with you on those points.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Look, most of the people AGAINST the Sanchez deal don't think JC17 is "The Greatest." It's just that JC17 is also not "The Problem."

It would be a huge waste, signal the beginning of the end of the Zorn era, tie up money for years to come, and end in a losing season.

See the difference? Do you think Sanchez will jump into the starting role here? And start off winning consistently?

If so, you're insane.

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | April 24, 2009 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Even Tommy "everybody loves Brady" Brady looked like dirt when he was getting hit in the face... In the SB, against the Giants, who Campbell had faced twice.

Let's get some pass rushers and O Linemen, please. There'll be another Wunderkind next year.

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | April 24, 2009 1:42 AM | Report abuse

and friggin' Leinart's riding the pine behind Kurt "paper or plastic" Warner.

They could have won, too if their D had covered Santonio Holmes a little.

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | April 24, 2009 1:46 AM | Report abuse

What about larry english at 13? seems all the top ots will be gone by then and he would fit perfectly into the hybrid role of olb on rush downs and de on pass def. then grab kropog or cadogan in the 3rd to groom at rt.

Posted by: hcicron | April 24, 2009 1:47 AM | Report abuse

and thanks to Brady Quinn, Cleveland went to the show.

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | April 24, 2009 1:48 AM | Report abuse

All you need to know is that nobody in the entire league wanted JC for a 2nd round pick this offseason, nough said.

Posted by: zjfr2

Love the way you come down after the battle and shoot the wounded. What's this your eighth "JC sucks" post today?

In case you haven't noticed, Campbell's plight is typical for whichever QB has been unfortunate to fall into the Pit that is Dan Snyder's QB corps.

Changing coaches like his underwearm, keeping his broken down OLine, failing to draft even marginal receivers, trading for megalomaniacal flops like Lloyd, undercutting QB's confidence, misleading them, failing to re-up them, overpaying a broken down RB....NO QB could succeed here, and that includes Unitas or Montana in his prime.

Sanchez won't be the exception either. But he'll sell a lot of jerseys, and that's his purpose.

People who don'tunderstand footballt attack the QB, cherrypicking stats to make their point. People who have a clue about football realize it goes far beyond the man behind center, it begins and ends with the man writing hte paychecks..


Posted by: TheCork | April 24, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Plus that "nobody would trade a second round pick for Campbell" fantasy/meme is sooooo old!

I believe it's been replaced with "nobody will trade a fourth round pick for Campbell." Which, you know, is not only totally true, but makes a ton of sense, when you think about it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 24, 2009 2:14 AM | Report abuse

All you need to know is that nobody in the entire league wanted JC for a 2nd round pick this offseason, nough said.

Posted by: zjfr2

Love the way you come down after the battle and shoot the wounded. What's this your eighth "JC sucks" post today?

In case you haven't noticed, Campbell's plight is typical for whichever QB has been unfortunate to fall into the Pit that is Dan Snyder's QB corps.

Changing coaches like his underwearm, keeping his broken down OLine, failing to draft even marginal receivers, trading for megalomaniacal flops like Lloyd, undercutting QB's confidence, misleading them, failing to re-up them, overpaying a broken down RB....NO QB could succeed here, and that includes Unitas or Montana in his prime.

Sanchez won't be the exception either. But he'll sell a lot of jerseys, and that's his purpose.

People who don'tunderstand footballt attack the QB, cherrypicking stats to make their point. People who have a clue about football realize it goes far beyond the man behind center, it begins and ends with the man writing hte paychecks..

Posted by: TheCork | April 24, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse


Sorry but everything you mentioned above is not all on the owner....but you can blame and hate what ya want truth or not your opinion.

Norv he did not hire...was here 7 years before he bought the team. you wanted to keep Norv?

..Shotty was given full control but rubbed veryone the wrong way including D. Green was putting guys at Qb like Tony Banks You wanted to keep him?

Then Steve the Gator came and quit after 2 years or was told to step down for Gibbs. You wanted to keep the gator?

gibbs was here 4 years his second stay...he step down because his grandson has cancer and he wanted to be in carolina so he could be with him......

Now...looking at this how can you really blame anyone for the 4 coaches that have been here since 2000? it's not directly really the owners fault...but blame all ya want. you fault Lloyd on the owner? Was that not Gibbs who wanted him?

Oh wait I'm sorry...you know...cause your in the offices with the staff and watching players practice.....My bad

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 2:58 AM | Report abuse

Changing coaches like his underwearm, keeping his broken down OLine, failing to draft even marginal receivers, trading for megalomaniacal flops like Lloyd, undercutting QB's confidence, misleading them, failing to re-up them, overpaying a broken down RB....NO QB could succeed here, and that includes Unitas or Montana in his prime.

Posted by: TheCork | April 24, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

this whole paragraph is flat out ridiculous...Portis a broken down back???LOL He about to becaome the Skins alltime leading RB...

"failing to draft even marginal receivers" you just got finished saying a rookie QB can't help...

well that's what the wrs were last year...gonna give them time like all you campbell lovers give him?

Your so full of it....catch 22 round and round with contradictions....

finally nobody is saying Sanchez is the answer...at least not me...i'm saying Campbell is not the answer

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Love the way you come down after the battle and shoot the wounded. What's this your eighth "JC sucks" post today?

Posted by: TheCork | April 24, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Whats this your 8th time you have blown Campbell today????

Posted by: leevi98 | April 24, 2009 3:14 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone really...deep down...think that JC is a franchise QB?


Be honest!

Posted by: rickyroge
Do I think he is a John Elway? No, I don't. But do I think he is at least as good as Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, or Joe Theisman? Yes, especially if you give him the Hogs and the Fun Bunch of Smurfs or hell, just Art Monk. Does he have room to improve? Certainly. But take a look at what Elway or Aikman did until they got an O line and some good receivers. You cannot keep playing musical chairs with QB's. At some point, you have to stick with one at least long enough to find out what he can do with a good supporting cast. JC has not been given that yet. And, for whatever its worth, I thought it was an idiotic idea to stick the man with the WCO in the first place.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 24, 2009 4:12 AM | Report abuse

I think that if Sanchez really is that good, chasing him would make sense IF we didn't have other, more glaring needs. David Carr was a number 1 overall pick, and might've turned out okay if he didn't spend every second passing down on his back!

Posted by: kost52 | April 24, 2009 4:16 AM | Report abuse

I think it's blasphemous to have 'Punter Hunter' in a blog title and not be talking about Sean Taylor.

Posted by: kost52 | April 24, 2009 4:19 AM | Report abuse

Look, this is so simple this is just hurting my head. WE NEED AN OT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, AND IF ONE OF THE TOP FOUR OTS ARE AVAILABLE, THERE IS NO EARTHLY REASON NOT TO TAKE ONE!

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 24, 2009 5:19 AM | Report abuse

GET YOUR CERRATO OUT OF YOUR ASS!!!! SNYDER MUST GO!!!! SNYDER MUST GO!!! BOYCOTT FED EX!!! WHAT FREEKING JOKE

Posted by: BarackObama | April 24, 2009 5:21 AM | Report abuse

"Why a "big arm" is overrated. If the QB makes accurate, well-timed short and medium range throws then the opponent has to move their D in to counter this and then you air it out and maybe it ain't no frozen rope but there ain't no DB within 10 yds so who cares? Six points, baby!Posted by: AntonChigurh"

Big arms are definitely overrated -- witness Jamarcus Russell. Still, you have to make all the throws. Phil Simms never tires of reminding his listeners that there are a lot of smart, disciplined, skilled QBs out there who still can't hit the receiver thirty yards out before the DB has a chance to get there. And thus can't really play in the NFL at all.

One way for the West Coast to succeed is to use the pass to get first downs and control the clock, the way some teams would use the running attack. By throwing outside so effectively, the QB causes the defender to cheat that way and then finds Jerry Rice on a slant pattern inside...

Joe Gibbs' offense was based on Air Coryell, of which the rule was, always look deep first, then move in a specified order all the way back to the check-off man. The Coryell teams often scored so quickly that the opponents were left wondering what hit them.

Of course, Gibbs converted the Coryell passing tree to a conservative, run-first scheme, which would have made Coryell toss his cookies...

So it's really just two approaches to the same problem -- how to get the coverage going one way while you throw to another.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 24, 2009 6:18 AM | Report abuse

Don't think Campbell is ever gonna win us a SB, but how can this team ignore all the talent on the Oline and Defense in general this draft has to offer. Plus if we give up any of next years picks to get this Sanchez guy we are screwed. I pray this is all just Bullsh*t. I was finally convincing myself we were gonna use our 13 pick for need not want. Oh well.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 24, 2009 6:48 AM | Report abuse

I think it's blasphemous to have 'Punter Hunter' in a blog title and not be talking about Sean Taylor.

Posted by: kost52 | April 24, 2009 4:19 AM | Report abuse


When Sean Taylor was playing, Smith's first name was 'Hunted.'

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 24, 2009 6:49 AM | Report abuse

I see you people are still crying about something thats not going to happen, and if you believe that crap about JC17 saying he would ask for a trade if the Skins pick Sanchez you are very foolish.

We will not trade up to get Sanchez get it threw your thick skulls. JC17 will sink or swim this year, if he plays well he gets his contract if he doesn't he is gone it's very simple.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 24, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Hope your right Flounder. I think its being reported too much to be true, but when something is thrown at you so much as this has been the last week or so its hard to get it out of your head.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 24, 2009 7:09 AM | Report abuse

I love the ridiculous loyalty to Campbell. The guy is mediocre at best, should we wait 10 years for him to improve to above average?

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2009 9:43 PM

Mediocre at best? You must be the same breed of animal as Eagles fans that hate Donovan McNabb. If you want someone to perform miracles under center, sign Jesus Christ. If you want a QB to play efficiently and take care of the football, then put some weapons around him and give him a chance. I don't think anyone here believes JC is an elite QB, but he is a QB in the mold of Super Bowl QBs of years gone by in Washington. What folks like you are forgetting is that while you can obviously do better than JC, you can certainly do a lot worse too. And if you let him go this year for a rookie or next year for nothing, the chances are far greater that you'll be stuck with a WORSE QB than Campbell than you are landing a better one.

And what people forget is this: elite QBs aren't born, they're made. The reason you list Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as the best in the NFL is because they have played in the SAME SYSTEM THEIR ENTIRE CAREERS. If you put Manning with the Lions, see if he's breaking any records. I'd even say if he were in Washington he'd still be a decent QB and nothing more. As long as coaches and offenses change every year or two, NO QB will have any sustained success here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 7:11 AM | Report abuse

By the way, kudos on signing Smith. I still can't believe this team actually addressed an area of need with someone whose jersey isn't expected to sell. Not that we know if he's any good...they don't punt all that often in Indy. But he's better than the crap sandwich that's been kicking the ball here in recent years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 7:15 AM | Report abuse

kenboy:"But do I think he is at least as good as Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, or Joe Theisman? Yes, especially if you give him the Hogs and the Fun Bunch of Smurfs or hell, just Art Monk."

It's hard to compare Campbell with those three QBs. In the first place, they're so unlike one another. Theisman was mobile (he returned punts in the CFL). Afer a wretched start at Tampa, Doug Williams had turned into one of the most accurate throwers in the NFL. And Rypien, an option QB in college, could do one thing really well: loft a deep pass that settled into the receiver's hands in a place where it was hard for the DB to get it.

But they all played on teams that worked to establish the run first. As has Campbell, to this point.

That's not the Zorn approach. The WCO looks to open up the field with passing, thereby prepping the defense for a more effective running game. Few backs have ever had better seasons than Shawn Alexander in Seattle, and that was in a WCO like the one we can expect Zorn to establish here. If he gets the chance. But to do that, he needs a few things: better pass blocking, at least one bigger receiver, and a less cautious QB.

Zorn does have all that much control over any of those factors. So he has to sit back and hope something develops. That Davis or Thomas or Kelly comes forth (I wouldn't bet on Kelly). That gets the line he needs. That Jason pulls the trigger a little faster than he did last year.

THe margin between success and failure is so tissue-thin in the NFL. That's all it would take for the team to pick up a couple more wins.

But will Zorn get lucky? I have no idea.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 24, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

And what people forget is this: elite QBs aren't born, they're made. The reason you list Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as the best in the NFL is because they have played in the SAME SYSTEM THEIR ENTIRE CAREERS. If you put Manning with the Lions, see if he's breaking any records. I'd even say if he were in Washington he'd still be a decent QB and nothing more. As long as coaches and offenses change every year or two, NO QB will have any sustained success here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 7:11 AM |

Amen

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 24, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Anyone want to know how to conduct themselves only needs to look toward JC. I hope he has a big year and tell Dan to kiss his black a**

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 24, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

That's not the Zorn approach. The WCO looks to open up the field with passing, thereby prepping the defense for a more effective running game. Few backs have ever had better seasons than Shawn Alexander in Seattle, and that was in a WCO like the one we can expect Zorn to establish here. If he gets the chance. But to do that, he needs a few things: better pass blocking, at least one bigger receiver, and a less cautious QB.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 24, 2009 7:19 AM

That's my problem: the QB is last on the list of things that need to be changed. First and foremost, you need a better line. Then you need a legit #1 WR, preferably with size. And if you've got all those things and JC still isn't getting it done, look to upgrade QB. Snyder and Co are looking to swing for the fences at QB without giving him (regardless of who plays QB) the tools to succeed. There aren't any short cuts in this league, and the Redskins under Snyder continue to look for that.

A smart organization focuses on building their line this year and hope everything else falls into place. JC gets 2009 to show his stuff and you respond accordingly in the offseason. Trying to get rid of him now is beyond stupid.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

I was screaming for a new QB all season. I watched him take sacks, take too long to throw, run into the arms of tacklers, and I wanted to kill someone. Then I started to realize that it wasn't all him. The line especially Jansen and Rabach were being manhandled. Other times they held up fine. It was a little of both. Campbell must be more in tune with the QB clock in his head. No one open, pull it in and run. He did that some last year. More bootlegs, and designed QB draws would throw off a defense. All that being said, we need to upgrade the O line. Plenty of young, large 6'4 320 lb dudes to bring in. I say give him 1 more year with a little better line and see what happens. If not we can try to get one of the QBs coming out next year.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 24, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Anyone want to know how to conduct themselves only needs to look toward JC. I hope he has a big year and tell Dan to kiss his black a**

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 24, 2009 7:28 AM

Agreed. Although my prediction of JC to Carolina is not gonna happen (Delhomme just got an extention), I still hope he tells Snyder to go pound sand and goes to a stable organization and shows us all how good he can be with a good team around him. I think if you stick him in Tennesse or Arizona (provided they get their RB situation settled), that's the best situation for him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

(INSERT the song, "It's the Most Wonderful Day In the Year.")


At least for a football fan whose team didn't win the super bowl.

And so, seeing how the blog continues to be bogged down in an anti-everything cycle, Moe looks forward to late Sunday night when he hopes the following choices--and in no specific order, mind you--have been made:

slb
c/rg
cb
ot
wlb


Sanchez be damned! Campbell be given the chance to earn his extension! Let's get two young offensive lineman to groom to replace Rabach and Thomas!

Let's trade senseless for sensible!

Enough with the wack jibba-jabba about Campbell/Sanchez/Vinny/Dan/Larry Micheals/homophobia and whatnot!

Bring on the draft, 'cuz it's the most wonderful time of the year!

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe something is wrong with you. LMAO!!! Thanks for the laugh

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 24, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

If we get Sanchez danny may as well get Shanahan too this weekend. I beleive that Sanchez is a smarter QB than Culter, doesn't have as strong of an arm but who cares. I think that is a little overrated esp in the WCO. So, Cutler started 5 games as a rookie and here are his numbers. I hope that Sanchez's w/l numbers would be a little better since our defense can help keep us in games.

he went 2-3 completed 59.1% passed for 1001 yards 9 tds 5 ints and had a rating of 88.5

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 24, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

"A smart organization focuses on building their line this year and hope everything else falls into place. JC gets 2009 to show his stuff and you respond accordingly in the offseason. Trying to get rid of him now is beyond stupid."

Brownwood you must be a carpenter, because you hit the nail on the head.

However,the most recent run to the playoffs was crafted by Collins, and Snyder doesn't forget that 5-0 run with Soups riding the pine. After the 2-6 collapse last year, Snyder lost all patience for the Gibbs project.

Posted by: swowra | April 24, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

(Not Horny for Zorny anymore)

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 24, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

JM220

'....I hope he has a big year and tell Dan to kiss his black a**...'


The racial component is distressing.

Can't we all just get along?

We just put the first Hawaiian in history in the White House and have shown we can rise above our feeling about pineapple eaters.

And besides not all of us black tell people to kiss our '...black a$$es...' whenever we do something great.

Your assumptions assume we are assidiuously assigning asinine asignations to anyone we have defeated, when, as our combined racial history shows, our own tails have been kicked a time or two.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe WF are you talking about? Take a deep breath it's not that deep.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 24, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

However,the most recent run to the playoffs was crafted by Collins, and Snyder doesn't forget that 5-0 run with Soups riding the pine. After the 2-6 collapse last year, Snyder lost all patience for the Gibbs project.

Posted by: swowra | April 24, 2009 7:44 AM

I get that, but the problem is Snyder. HE is the one that undercut the Gibbs project, not JC. Instead of the continuity of keeping Williams or getting Singletary or Grimm, they once again opted to go in a completely different direction. If Campbell had the chance to stay in Saunders system (which worked everywhere else he's ever been), no telling how good he could be right now. But Snyder seems to accept blame and accountability about the same as T.O. does and he'll be trading up for and anxious to get rid of another QB before you know it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

'...Don't think Campbell is ever gonna win us a SB...'


Honestly, I'd take a second round playoff loss this season.

I don't want much.

I'd like to watch a redskins team that wins 31-24 rather than lose 17-10 like it did last year.

The Super Bowl win is a tough thing to do--a point lost on folks hating on JC. There are tons of good quarterbacks who don't even get to sniff a conferene championship game.

I want to see some offense coupled with a team that can score.

And that ain't too much to ask for.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

'...MistaMoe WF are you talking about? Take a deep breath it's not that deep....'


The coffee is strong this morning.

And as usual, I know even less than I usually do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Wow Hunter Smith has never missed a game


and he's a punter


a PUHN-TUR

he PUNTS the ball


and Dirk Johnson, LOLWTF the dude's name is Dirk Johnson


and he's a PUNTER

a PUHN-TUR

he PUNTS the ball for a living


lol


punters are lame

sorry guys I came to work hungover today


any advice on how to get through?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

"The reason you list Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as the best in the NFL is because they have played in the SAME SYSTEM THEIR ENTIRE CAREERS. If you put Manning with the Lions, see if he's breaking any records. I'd even say if he were in Washington he'd still be a decent QB and nothing more. As long as coaches and offenses change every year or two, NO QB will have any sustained success here.Posted by: brownwood26"

That last sentence is definitely true; too mahy changes can be disastrous for a football team.

But the reason for Manning and Brady's success being that they played in the same system their entire careers? I seriously doubt that.

Here's why: Brady came into a system he was unfamiliar with, and advanced all the way to #2 his first season, although he only briefly saw action. He showed that learning a new system wasn't much of an obstacle to him. His confidence didn't waver. And went Bledsoe got hurt, he stepped in without a hitch.

Manning came to a struggling team as the designated saviour. After a while the Colts began to realize he was something more than a good passer -- this was a guy who could make changes on the field that resulted in big plays. They gave him more and more authority (something that coaches often don't) and he became an anomaly in modern football -- a QB who is actually calling most of his plays on the field.

That suggests to me that in both cases, the QBs are doing something that other QBs can't, and on a new team, would still be exceptional. Brady wouldn't be as successful, of course, and possibly Manning wouldn't either, but they lift their teams up.

A third QB who does that, IMO, with considerably less elegance: Ben Roethlisberger. He's more like the young Favre, pulling out games at the end through sheer talent. Like Favre, he gives you greatness, but not consistency.

So I'd say being in the same system is a help, provided it's the right system. But players like those three eventually bend the system to their talent.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 24, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

"SNIDELY YOU ARE STILL A LOSER even with all your billions. YOU ARE A LOSER! LOSER! Probably why your high school no longer exists in fabled Montgomery County.

Posted by: periculum "

lol

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

"sorry guys I came to work hungover today


any advice on how to get through?"


Start drinking again.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 24, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Can you give me Smiths number of punt inside the 10? Cause 38.8 aint good at all...

And JC's head is screwed now anyway... what is that saying about making the future come true?

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Tell your boss you were out late last night getting tanked, and that you're still a little tipsy. Your boss will send you home and you can sleep it off.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 24, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

"The reason you list Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as the best in the NFL is because they have played in the SAME SYSTEM THEIR ENTIRE CAREERS. If you put Manning with the Lions, see if he's breaking any records. I'd even say if he were in Washington he'd still be a decent QB and nothing more."


sorry but no


Manning and Brady would be Manning and Brady period, doesn't matter where they're at

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

sorry guys I came to work hungover today


any advice on how to get through?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 8:03 AM

Go home. Or go to the bathroom and purge yourself the Nicole Richie way. And if that doesn't work, Pepto Bismol.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

JC + 1st rounder for #4 overall (or whatever the number is) to select Sanchez


then draft RT in the third, like Loadholt


I'm kinda down today, **** it

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

moe, some good games on tap this weekend for sure. Its gonna be in the mid 80's all weekend, so the weather is gonna cooperate as well....

I'm gonna flip the draft on around 5, and if I see that the Redskins have already made a pick, I'm gonna smash something.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 24, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

"Tell your boss you were out late last night getting tanked, and that you're still a little tipsy. Your boss will send you home and you can sleep it off.

Posted by: all_star_0013"

that's called getting fired

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

bean

'...some good games on tap this weekend for sure. Its gonna be in the mid 80's all weekend, so the weather is gonna cooperate as well...'


The SAWX are hot.

I say they win tonight, lose to Burnett, and win Sunday.

That 2-1 in the opening series.

The Yanks aren't rollin'....yet.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

it's all about the NBA losers


FACE IT

I am declaring baseball season OVER since the Bravos are struggling and suck again. Hey, we had two good weeks! But seriously, no more baseball for the rest of the year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

moe, you guys have won 6 of the last 8, so both teams are playing well. Although, the sox did just beat Minnesota twice, who is just an AWFUL team, I almost feel badly for Ron Gardenhire.........I'm curious to see Joba vs. Youks....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 24, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

So I'd say being in the same system is a help, provided it's the right system. But players like those three eventually bend the system to their talent.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 24, 2009 8:03 AM

Samson, I thought that went without saying. Indy and NE are obviously running the right system if they're among the top offenses on an annual basis. And Brady and Manning have the tools to be great--I never said they didn't. But what you have to realize is that Manning isn't calling his own plays if he's changing offenses every two years and has a new OC/position coach every 2-3 years. Manning has ALWAYS had Tom Moore and I'm pretty sure Caldwell has been his position coach for close to the same amount of time (or at least thru the Dungy era). Manning's talent makes him good, the continuity he's been blessed with has helped make him great.

As for "Truth"--if you think Manning would throw for 49 tds and 5000 yards here, you're more than drunk. And as great as Brady has been, he's never put up HUGE numbers until he had Randy Moss. And throwing to Santana Moss is CLEARLY not the same.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Little Dan covets
Fans panties are in a wad
8 and 8 at best


Haikus are fun!

Posted by: splitbill | April 24, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Sorry but Manning and Brady would be the best two QB's regardless of what team they were on.

They both have the "it" factor. You think just because you're in a system for a long time, that means you'll be a great QB? That poor Ryan Leaf, he just needed three more years in the same system, right?

Manning and Brady have all the intangibles, while Manning has the overall physical traits as well. Manning was #2 overall, I think he'd be just fine regardless of what team he is playing for. They're both smart enough to ADAPT to the system they are in.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Who was saying to trade Jason Campbell before last season, WHEN HE STILL HAD SOME VALUE????

SPORTS GURU!

I knew we would be trying to dump him eventually. Why does this team, and the majority of you RI posters, like to wait til our players have an obvious lack of value?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

TRUTH

'...sorry guys I came to work hungover today any advice on how to get through?'

Stop drinking.

I did.

I got tired of women I didn't know when I was sober asking when I was coming over to take care of kids I didn't remember fathering.

The booze started affecting me sexually. It got to where the only time I could do it was when the woman I was with was really drunk.

(INSERT rimshot and bad groan audio)

So, Truth, just give up drinking and take up the positive habit of complaining about the redskins....at least it doesn't cost you money.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Guru;

saying you are in line with Danny S's thinking is nothing to thump your chest about....

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

what is considered "value" for JC? A conditional seventh rounder?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

reading an article about the draft

if Matthew "The Truth" Stafford doesn't go #1 overall, they're saying he could slide to #10 or #17/#19


HELLO STAFFORD OUR QB OF THE FUTURE WOOO

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Casserly picks Ayers in the NFL.com "last" roundtable mock draft...(I'm sick of mock drafts, but they're still better than debating JC's QB skills):


http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80fef85a&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 24, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Guru;

saying you are in line with Danny S's thinking is nothing to thump your chest about....

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 8:30 AM

.....

My thinking has been that JC would not be able to be our "QB of the future", so I suggested we trade him last year, prior to the draft. We could have gotten at least a first rounder, becasue other teams hadn't done the studying I had done on the kid. Now everyone knows he isn't worth even a second round pick.

I am thumping my chest that JC would be trade bait, and that if they had pulled the trigger when I had said to, we would have gotten much much more value.

Now we are looking at a 3rd or 4th rounder for the guy.... sad.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe knows his stuff. That man should win an award.

I laugh everytime I read the "insert rimshot with bad groan audio" line. He's a much better poster than anyone else here, other than The Truth that is.

I'M THE TRUTH, BABY

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Truth, see, we put ourselves in this spot... we cant get rid of campbell until we know we can get a replacement. We wont know until someone trades with us... maybe.

Once we draft a QB, Campbells value drops.

Now Campbell wont be a one year go between for Sanchez since he will request a trade.

Does danny really think that the NFl is conspiring against him, or cant he see its his and Cerrato's idiocy that is getting abused by the smarter NFL FO's

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

"We could have gotten at least a first rounder, becasue other teams hadn't done the studying I had done on the kid. "


I'm sure you're very ahead of everyone else, Sports Dufus. All those guys that get paid to sit there and study football.

What sort of "studying" on JC did you do? Is "studying" another way of saying you watched all the games? I'm sure others have watched all his games.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

They're both smart enough to ADAPT to the system they are in.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 8:28 AM

Nobody's debating that...I think you're misunderstanding my point here. I'm saying those guys aren't ELITE QBs in Detroit or Washington or somewhere where either the talent is scarce or the organization isn't solid. They would still be good no matter what, maybe even annual Pro-Bowlers. But Manning wouldn't throw for 4000 yards every year here and Brady certainly wouldn't throw for 50 tds in Detroit. Those guys would still be very good QBs, but the only way you break records and become a no-brainer Hall of Famer BEFORE you're done playing is if you've got stability and a good team around you.

Put it this way: if Brett Favre goes to the Jets in 1993 instead of Green Bay, is he a Hall of Famer? I'm not saying it's impossible, but I seriously doubt it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

From the Denver Post. Please let it be true!


The Broncos have engaged in discussions regarding a draft trade for USC quarterback Mark Sanchez, according to an NFL source. In possession of the No. 12 and No. 18 overall picks in the NFL draft, which begins Saturday, the Broncos understand they may have to move up to snag Sanchez, who is drawing interest from several teams. One possible trade partner is the Jacksonville Jaguars, who want to drop down from No. 8 overall.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 24, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

"so I suggested we trade him last year, prior to the draft. We could have gotten at least a first rounder, becasue other teams hadn't done the studying I had done on the kid. Now everyone knows he isn't worth even a second round pick"

Translation - You're a douch-nozzle....you know little about football..so shut up, and go away.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 24, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

JM;

I dont know, can we really say we didnt really want him and appease JC? We may be left without a QB all together.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

To tell you the truth, after looking at all those stats and analyzing where Campbell is effective and where he struggles, I'm actually more excited about his prospects for next season than I was before.

psp23

psp23, I usually enjoy your posts, since they're well grounded in reason. However, you're missing a couple of pieces in the analysis imo.

1. What matter in pro games, seeing that the teams are for the most part so close, is PLAYS. That is to say, any given game is decided by a handful of plays. So, Campbell can go 12-14 for 133 yards in the 4th quarter, but if he throws an INT in the redzone on the game winning drive, it matters little. His stats look great, sure. But, the end result is the same as if he went 0/3. You may argue that his mistakes towards the end of games (Tampa and Dallas from a couple of seasons ago come to mind immediately, but I'm sure there are others) are symptoms of a growing qb and I would agree with that. Just saying, and you agree from your posts, that he's not there yet.

2. Football is fun because it's a game filled with complex human characters. While what you argue about wasting 2 years if we draft Sanchez is possible (I myself had this fear initially, especially the "wasted playbook" syndrome), it is certainly not the most probable outcome. A great many things can happen along the way. Sanchez might learn the playbook more quickly than anyone thought (especially since he's more suited to the WC than Campbell). When the new coach arrives, he could be adjusted to game speed and be ready to thrive (a bit like Matt Ryan). Or it's possible that he could play towards the end of this season, become reasonably confident, and be a rock star next season. My point here is that many times football rarely follows rationale. If it did, then Ryan wouldn't have made the playoffs as a rookie. If it did, then Eli Manning wouldn't have led the Giants to a SB victory over the "invincible" Pats. That's why we love it and (in my best Chris Berman imitation) "that's why they play the gaaaame".

Posted by: hailbg | April 24, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Truth

The check is in the mail.

(INSERT image of Moe writing a bad check he knows will bounce paid out to TheTruth)

And don't give up on the Bravos just yet--the Marlins really might crash as they are all young and don't play defense that well.

And don't be so quick to get on that Hawks' bandwagon.

The beauty of baseball is that the season is long, so many factors can take a team down, and cause others to rise up.

Just turn the Bravos out for a lil' bit, then tune in again at the end of May.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

My thinking has been that JC would not be able to be our "QB of the future", so I suggested we trade him last year, prior to the draft. We could have gotten at least a first rounder, becasue other teams hadn't done the studying I had done on the kid. Now everyone knows he isn't worth even a second round pick.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 8:35 AM

If you thought that JC was worth a 1st rounder at any time, you're a bigger idiot than I thought. You spent the last 2 years beating your chest about how awful JC is and then expect to get maximum return on him? And how do you think you're doing more due diligence than actual NFL GMs--who are paid to do so?

If I recall correctly, JC was predicted to go in the 2nd round the year he was drafted. So if the Skins were the only team willing to burn a 1st rounder on him back then, what makes you think someone would have last year?

And you have yet to address how a guy plays BETTER then he did the year before and his trade value somehow goes down. When you throw a better completion % and fewer INTS, that usually makes you MORE valuable...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

If I could ask Snyder one question it would be: "How does it make you feel to know that lifelong Redskins fans may very well root for them to fail because of the embarrassing direction you have taken the team?"

When he answers: "People don't understand the complexities of front office decisions..."

I'll respond: "Well neither do you, and that's why you should butt the f out and stop ruining OUR team!!!"

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 24, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

And you have yet to address how a guy plays BETTER then he did the year before and his trade value somehow goes down. When you throw a better completion % and fewer INTS, that usually makes you MORE valuable...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 8:46 AM

Over 3000 yards with only 13 TDs....

Shows red zone weakness

...and, Finishing the season by backing out of the playoff hunt and losing to the Rams and the Bengals, when getting in Field goal range would have beaten a 2 win team.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Look, here is my post from the Caps main article today... I am a profit who will be ignored once again...

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Well keedrow, I do know something about sports, and the truth is that the caps are linked with the mediocre...and the caps best player is as mediocre as the redskins best player:

Alex Ovechkin = Jason Campbell

They both play well when it doesn't matter, and stink the joint up when their play really would mean something.

THE CAPS MUST TRADE OVECHKIN AS SOON AS WE CAN... BEFORE THE OTHER TEAMS SEE HE CAN'T PLAY IN THE BIG GAMES.

The Redskins waited until now to trade Jason Campbell, now they are going to get a lot less than they would have if they had traded him sooner.

They both play well when it doesn't matter, and stink the joint up when their play really would mean something.

THE CAPS MUST TRADE OVECHKIN AS SOON AS WE CAN... BEFORE THE OTHER TEAMS SEE HE CAN'T PLAY IN THE BIG GAMES.

The Redskins waited until now to trade Jason Campbell, now they are going to get a lot less than they would have if they had traded him sooner.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

JM;

I dont know, can we really say we didnt really want him and appease JC? We may be left without a QB all together.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 8:42 AM |

This is a buisness and if JC can't handle that then I don't want him as our QB. If he is going to cry about the way he's treated, then he should have found another line of work.

JC17 is playing for a contract this year either with us or someone else, he will play his a$$ off no matter what the situation.

The Sanchez thing is not happening, so I hope you guys fine something else to cry about on Monday.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 24, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Please pray for the REDSKINS tomorrow. They need all the help they can get with this FO.

BTW there are going to be good picks at three, five, six, and comp seven. The question will be, can the REDSKINS staff find any of them? GETTING SANCHEZ will dictate that they find them all. The pressure to make the right decisions on the second day becomes enormous.

AARON KELLY WR from CLEMSON, CORNELIUS LEWIS OG and CECIL NEWTON C from TENNESSEE STATE, LAWRENCE SIDBURY DE from the UNIVERSITY of RICHMOND, SHERROD MARTIN CB from TROY STATE and GREG TOLER CB from ST. PAULS. Lots of solid players - no flash, just winners when the game's on the line. It's hide and seek time boys. Good luck.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 24, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

sports_guru

'...I am thumping my chest that JC would be trade...'

Bro', football ain't a game of chess.

If teams operated along the lines you suggest, they'd be switching quarterbacks every three years.

That's dumb.

There's something to be said for stability and continuity. The skins made and investment in terms of picks and money in Jason Campbell. Tossing him aside because "...he won't win a super bowl...' is ludicrous.

Teams get to the super bowl because they are complete in three areas, are healthy, and more often than not play soft schedules the year they make their run.

You can't blame Jason Campbell for the doings of a team comprised of 53 guys, and you can't just trade somebody just because you can.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

...and, Finishing the season by backing out of the playoff hunt and losing to the Rams and the Bengals, when getting in Field goal range would have beaten a 2 win team.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 8:49 AM

Your problem is you blame EVERYTHING wrong with the offense on Campbell. Is it his fault his WRs can't get open? Is it his fault his line is garbage? Is it his fault that just when he gets the hang of an offense, the organization changes coaches on him? Campbell has his faults and shoulders some of the blame from the 2-6 finish, but stacking the blame at his door alone is stupid and short-sighted.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Your problem is you blame EVERYTHING wrong with the offense on Campbell. Is it his fault his WRs can't get open? Is it his fault his line is garbage? Is it his fault that just when he gets the hang of an offense, the organization changes coaches on him? Campbell has his faults and shoulders some of the blame from the 2-6 finish, but stacking the blame at his door alone is stupid and short-sighted.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 8:53 AM

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It may not be his fault that those things are happening, but a great player rises above those types of problems, and at least wins a single game over the bengals or rams.

Which would have put us in the playoffs, where he could have lost us the first game and sent us home... just kidding... that was a play on the Captals debacle.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Guru;

Ovechkin isnt the caps problem.

All year long they took periods off during a game and still pulled it out. They are doing it again in the playoffs, and surprise... it is making them fail.

Its not lundqvist, even if he is playing great. Their style is beating our style. I keep hearing we are out playing them.

Really, they play defense and keep the goals low, we play up tempo and score a lot. Which way has each game but game 3 gone?

You truly know nothing

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Well, he sure isn't the Caps solution, lol

ONE GOAL... what a joke!

An eight yr old could score one goal on the Rangers!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

From the Denver Post. Please let it be true!


The Broncos have engaged in discussions regarding a draft trade for USC quarterback Mark Sanchez, according to an NFL source. In possession of the No. 12 and No. 18 overall picks in the NFL draft, which begins Saturday, the Broncos understand they may have to move up to snag Sanchez, who is drawing interest from several teams. One possible trade partner is the Jacksonville Jaguars, who want to drop down from No. 8 overall.

JM220

Wish this were true but on Mike & Mike this morning Todd Mcshay was asked if he seriously thinks Denver will trade for Sanchez and he said no. He went on to say he thinks the bidding war (a trade with either Seattle or the Jags) will come down to the Jets and the Skins with the Skins being the winner - despite the fact we have no flippin' draft picks!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 24, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Mr. La Canfora (and bloggers),

Can I ask a dumb question that perhaps has already been answered (but I cannot find it): assuming the 'Skins draft Sanchez, do his strengths match the West Coast offense? From what I saw of Sanchez in college, I did not think of him as a QB in that offense? Perhaps it is obvious to others that he can thrive in this environment?

Thanks for your insights.

Posted by: teamn | April 24, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous now... The FO will feel that they have to get Sanchez b/c JC is so Pissed off. Get ready for us to divest of at least next years 1st to draft the hot boy toy...

I'm fn sick of giving away picks. Enough is enough... $H1111T

When are they ever going to build an O-Line again! They are already behind the 8-ball... Just compounding the problem year after year after year...

When this goes down - you all better stop hating on JLC b/c he called it last offseason that we should not believe the hype that this FO is changing their mentality and building things the right way from the ground up with some stability.

It is truley unbelievable and ridiculous as to how this Merry-Go-Round of a football orgnaization just keeps spinning new coaches and QB's on and off before they can even gain their balance. WTH is it going to take, besides Snyder selling this darn team. Ugghhhh!

Posted by: EinVB | April 24, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, how many assists? I guess we should give away backstrom cause he doesnt score enough goals.

He may be pressing too much, but its not from lack of skill, heart or will...

We are not built for the playoffs... again, you know nothing

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

So, why were the Caps in such a hurry to take the second seed? They felt they could crush the Rangers. They basically hand picked their executioners.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

'....The Sanchez thing is not happening, so I hope you guys fine something else to cry about on Monday....'

Well, actually, we won't be crying.

We'll be vomiting from the zillion stories that'll come from Jasno and other Washington area reporters about how the FO and Campbell have sat down and ironed-out their issues--again.

The singular positive result of this quarterback game of charades is that the chip on Campbell's shoulder gets that much bigger and he plays with way more determination this fall.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

I was unaware that McShay worked for the Broncos, if he doesn't he has no idea of what they will do.

I told you yesterday to relax have a few beers and watch the draft. The Sanchez thing is not happening.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 24, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I see through Snyder's ruse. They'll mortgage the future to trade up to Seattle's spot at 4, then the commissioner will go to the podium and say - "With the fourth pick in the 2009 NFL draft the Washington Redskins select........Andre Smith, Tackle, University of Alabama"

The Sanchez stuff is all smokescreen, of course Snyder would listen to what his coaches said at the end of the '08 season about the tough shape of the O-line. He's just hoodwinking everyone about this Sanchez stuff 'cause he knows at 13 he has no shot at one of the four OT's. He's not crazy enough to entrust his offense to a rookie QB behind a shaky Oline. Not after spending a gazillion dollars on Haynesworth, Dockery and the cornerback who's name escapes me at the moment.

Yeah that's what'll happen. Ugh.

Posted by: skinswest | April 24, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

They had no clue who they faced until the sunday night after the regular season. They wrapped up second seed a week before. It was either them or the Habs. They werent gonna fall back and take on Phi or Carolina.

Guru, shut it, they all said this is a new rangers team with a new coach and three new front line players. They were all worried and rightly so.

You are a hack

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Rypien11's Final Dream Draft:

Trade #13 for Miami's 2 2nd rounders.

2nd round: Beatty (OT)
2nd round: Sidbury (DE)
3rd round: Duke Robinson (G)
5th round: Kevin Ellison (OLB, USC)
6th round: Ramses Barden (WR - 6'6")
7th round: Moise Fokou

Is it too much to ask to have an intelligent draft like this?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 24, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Problem is Snyder probably thinks the success of Ryan and Flacco is the norm rather than the exception.

Posted by: skinswest | April 24, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Moise Fokou is the OLB from Maryland, BTW.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 24, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

You dont just become a new team a week before the playoffs, just because you say so.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Flound, I've got a good feeling, don't know why, but I think just like you do, that no chance we're moving up to get Sanchez. I think someone is gonna fall to #13, and if they pick them, or if they trade the pick for more picks, I think things are gonna be ok.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 24, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

sobering words for cbssportsline article:

"...Snyder has tried doggedly to land a franchise signal-caller since buying the team in 1999, drafting seven quarterbacks over nine years. First-rounder Patrick Ramsey (2002) made only 24 starts over four seasons, and Campbell (2005) just completed his first full season as the starter.

Lower-round selections Todd Husak (2000), Sage Rosenfels (2001), Gibran Hamdan (2003) and Jordan Palmer (2007) failed to establish themselves even as backups. Colt Brennan (2008) spent his first season playing third string. Not since Mark Rypien in the early 1990s have the Redskins had a quarterback who kept the undisputed starting job continuously for more than a couple of seasons.

Of course, the Sanchez talk could be an interesting diversion and nothing else. Asked if he enjoys putting up smoke screens in the days before the draft, Cerrato said: "There's enough people doing that themselves. If you tell the truth, nobody believes you."

The Redskins drafted 10 players last year; this year they enter the weekend with only five picks. Compounding the sting is the fact that the three players acquired for the traded selections -- Jason Taylor (second round), Pete Kendall (fourth) and Erasmus James (seventh) -- are no longer with the team...."

Go ahead trade away thos picks for your prized QB Danny...it's like putting shiney new rims on your ride when you really should be getting a new transmittion...

Posted by: RedBaron2008 | April 24, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"Is it too much to ask to have an intelligent draft like this?"

I think it's too much to ask of Bill Parcells. He's not going to give up that 2nd rounder he stole from the Skins so easily. Who do the Dolphins want at 13? Who does anyone really want at 13 for that matter?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 24, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Vinny said last night that they have rated 146 players as draftable (There are 250 draft picks total) and gave each a draft grade (1st - 7th rounder).

He also said he only rated 20 players as 1st rounders.

So that means alot of people are already off the board......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Long and short, and I think its safe to say, we are a horribly disfunctional franchise. We change QB's and coaches every two years. No continuity = no consistency.

No matter what one feels about Campbell, you would be amiss if you said that he got a fair shake. Three offensive systems in three years is exactly no continuity = no consistency.

And rather than seeing what the kids got and putting him in a position to succeed, our short sighted clueless front office wants to replace him with a non NFL ready kid who will suffer the same fate behind the same line.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 24, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Yoder - Pats and Gints also have 2 2nd rounders - maybe theres someone they would want at #13.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 24, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

They were a new team before the trade deadline. They added Antropov, Avery and someone else. And we did not see them during the regular season.

I dont say so, the experts say so.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

sobering words for cbssportsline article:

"...Snyder has tried doggedly to land a franchise signal-caller since buying the team in 1999, drafting seven quarterbacks over nine years. First-rounder Patrick Ramsey (2002) made only 24 starts over four seasons, and Campbell (2005) just completed his first full season as the starter.

Lower-round selections Todd Husak (2000), Sage Rosenfels (2001), Gibran Hamdan (2003) and Jordan Palmer (2007) failed to establish themselves even as backups. Colt Brennan (2008) spent his first season playing third string. Not since Mark Rypien in the early 1990s have the Redskins had a quarterback who kept the undisputed starting job continuously for more than a couple of seasons.

Of course, the Sanchez talk could be an interesting diversion and nothing else. Asked if he enjoys putting up smoke screens in the days before the draft, Cerrato said: "There's enough people doing that themselves. If you tell the truth, nobody believes you."

The Redskins drafted 10 players last year; this year they enter the weekend with only five picks. Compounding the sting is the fact that the three players acquired for the traded selections -- Jason Taylor (second round), Pete Kendall (fourth) and Erasmus James (seventh) -- are no longer with the team...."

Go ahead trade away thos picks for your prized QB Danny...it's like putting shiney new rims on your ride when you really should be getting a new transmittion...

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Besides spelling transmission wrong, that is a very good synopsis of the Danny and his train wreck ownership!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

GET YOUR CERRATO OUT OF YOUR ASS!!!! SNYDER MUST GO!!!! WHAT FREEKING JOKE!!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | April 24, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Two current high profile starters would be x-redskins by the end of the draft. Cooley would be traded to the Chiefs and Campbell to either the Jets, Niners, or Cleveland.

They’ll trade Cooley, the 13pick, and a lower pick in 09 or 2010 to the chiefs for the 3rd pick in the draft.

JC for a mid round pick this year or a 3rd next year.

Posted by: Ejayraptor | April 24, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

You are right - Red Baron2008.

This is exactly like pimping out a Chevrolet Chevette... They should be phasing out the Chevette, looking to acquire a new Ford F350 Super Duty and then put the finish touches on it as time and resources permit , to give it a nice lift, Air Intake, some new rims on 33's and go full steam ahead and wreck shop.

Unfortunately the can't plan that far ahead and stay the course... all they keep thinking is I have just enough to get those new shiny Rims for my car... I can't wait any longer...

PATIENCE, Danny says he learned. Well, stop talking the talk and FINALLY walk the walk.

Posted by: EinVB | April 24, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I told you yesterday to relax have a few beers and watch the draft. The Sanchez thing is not happening.

Posted by: Flounder21

Flounder, do you know this for a fact or are you just speculating? If you know this for a fact, please share how you are so sure our FO is not going to make us a laughingstock again.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 24, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

That should say we did not see them after that during the regular season... Guru, your wrong, deal with it.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

The community should organize a protest at Redskins Park. If they draft Sanchez we should boycott Fed-Ex... When this little $*& get hit in the pocket he will get a clue!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | April 24, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Ryp, it would be ideal to trade down. I just don't think there are players out there teams covet enough to trade up for. Outside the top 10 prospects, which should all go within the top 10-12 picks.

Giants are probably looking at WR, which they can get a good player if they stand pat. I don't think they would trade up even if Crabtree fell (which he won't). That's not Reese's style.

Pats, well they'll probably keep trading down until they've accumulated the most picks in the history of the draft.

My hope is someone falls in love with Moreno or Wells and wants to move ahead of the Saints...which would be us. The Eagles have pulled off deals within the division before...just wishful thinking though

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 24, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The utter stupidity of these guys is totally mind boggling. I'm out.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 24, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

lisa, from my perspective, they don't have the ammo to move up to get Sanchez. Seattle isn't going to give away the 4th pick overall, they're going to want to be richly compensated for it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 24, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Beantown, I'm hearing that Seattle is not really in the running to draft Sanchez but that KC would love to trade away #3. Even is Snyder does not have enough ammunition to trade to either the 3 or 4 spots, unless another team trades up to grab Sanchez there, he will fall to #8 and Snyder will be able to make a trade with them

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 24, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I heard that they are opening FedEx Field for fans to come and watch the draft - free parking, free admission.

Show up en masse. If we end up drafting Sanchez, then everyone stop in the bathroom and pee on the wall before leaving, leave little notes telling Snyder that this is what we think of his ownership.

Posted by: p1funk | April 24, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, do you know this for a fact or are you just speculating? If you know this for a fact, please share how you are so sure our FO is not going to make us a laughingstock again.


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 24, 2009 9:26 AM |

Well for one I'm trusting 4th's sources, two JLC started all this talk and he gets no inside information. The AH story was broken by several other outlets so that had a good chance of happening. This story started through JLC and grew legs from there, that is why I know it won't happen.

We will pick at 13 or trade back, no way we trade up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 24, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Pee on the wall, lol... the motto of our resistance!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Everything your hearing now is a lie, teams always lie about what they want and don't want right before the draft.

The only pick that is certain is number 1 if the team already has a contract in place.

Teams are not going to tell you what they are going to do, actually you should expect the opposite of what they say before the draft to happen.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 24, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of 4th, I'd love to have an update from him as to what he's being told/hearing about who they're gonna take, or who they have in mind at #13, or otherwise....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 24, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Well for one I'm trusting 4th's sources, two JLC started all this talk and he gets no inside information. The AH story was broken by several other outlets so that had a good chance of happening. This story started through JLC and grew legs from there, that is why I know it won't happen.

We will pick at 13 or trade back, no way we trade up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 24, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

This is not just a JLC story.

Other outlets are reporting that the Skins were in trade inquiries with Seattle, Browns, etc. looking to move Campbell and trade up.

And I don't think this is a smokescreen. You don't go to these lengths (swanky dinner w/ top brass, talking trades with other teams) to put up a smokescreen. There is real interest there.

The question is how much Danny is willing to cough up to make a move. I think our only hope is that there is enough of a "market" for Sanchez that we will balk at the price for having to go after him.

Posted by: p1funk | April 24, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Pee on the wall, lol... the motto of our resistance!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse


This has long been a tried and true method of protest for me...

Posted by: p1funk | April 24, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

skinswest

'...Problem is Snyder probably thinks the success of Ryan and Flacco is the norm rather than the exception....'

Amen.

But many folks in the fanbase think the same way.

They watch a football game, see some team's quarterback having a good time, and think, "What's wrong with our guy?"

In the case of 'our guy'--Jason Campbell--much has to go right for him to succeed this season and the wishy-washy FO attitudes aren't productive.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

P1,

They took Winslow Jr. to a swanky dinner, they didn't take ST21 to dinner. Who'd they draft?

All the other stories are piggy backs off the original, teams will say anything to reporters to stir the pot. You should never believe anything this close to the draft.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 24, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Show up en masse. If we end up drafting Sanchez, then everyone stop in the bathroom and pee on the wall before leaving, leave little notes telling Snyder that this is what we think of his ownership.

Posted by: p1funk | April 24, 2009 9:43 AM

Unless Snyder demotes himself to janitor, I don't see how that would help...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I don't believe for a second that they're going to draft Sanchez, but this is one instance where Snyder/Cerrato's past fumblings may pay off inasmuch as OTHER teams may BELIEVE the Skins will try to grab Sanchez, and that may work to our advantage if a team below us (Jets) wants to move up.

Also, love the signing of Hunter Smith. I just hope the K position is steady this year. Suisham needs to step it up.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 24, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

two JLC started all this talk and he gets no inside information. The AH story was broken by several other outlets so that had a good chance of happening. This story started through JLC and grew legs from there, that is why I know it won't happen.

We will pick at 13 or trade back, no way we trade up.

Posted by: Flounder21

Actually this rumor has been reported EVERYWHERE and it started well before JLC even wrote about it - heck, he got it from the other reports.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 24, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

flounder: "We will pick at 13 or trade back, no way we trade up."

And I wonder if trading back is unlikely given last year's problems. Turned out Vinny would have been better off drafting Phil Merling and then picking up a wide receiver in the second round.

Of course, he didn't know Phil Daniels was going to get hurt right away.

Anyway, I'm guessing they stay where they are.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 24, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

No updates. It was a casual meeting when I was meeting someone of a mutual nature. It was a '3 degrees of seperation' thing.

(This happened before in Gibbs 2.1 season. My StepFather had this temp working for him who said she dated Lavernous Coles. She told him he won't be here at the end of the season and he doesn't like the offense. I didn't know if I could trust it because he was signed for a while, but I told a few close people. And low and behold, it happened at the end of that season. My experince earlier this week is in a similar manner)

I think and believe all this talk is bogus from the past day. It makes no sense. Steve Wyche continued to pimp the JC17 to the Jets and/or will ask to be traded when/if we draft Sanchez. It is completely ridicoulous. Steve Wyche? Who? Whaa? And Sal took it and ran with it.

These reporters just need time to fill for the next couple of days. Redskins are the media's 'Punching Bag Darlings'. Cowturd/ESPN/Wyche/Peter King/JLaC. You know why? Because us as Redskins fans continue to feed into it. We bring such a roar that it creates advertising dollars for them. Eyeballs on TV and Inet. Ears on the radio. Etc, etc.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Flound,

But we already know that the FO is seriously open to changing the QB situation here.

Again, I don't necessarily think that the brass is as hyped-up about getting Sanchez as we fear (ie. they will do ANYTHING to get him); but I also do believe there is genuine interest.

I think there was genuine interest in Winslow as well...

Posted by: p1funk | April 24, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

'...If they draft Sanchez we should boycott Fed-Ex...'


No.

If they draft Sanchez, we have to hope they trade Campbell for picks, turn the picks into offensive lineman, and give the rook the starting job.


If they believe in the kid from USC, let them sink or swim with him.

We want the FO office to justify drafting a quarterback it has to groom while it's still grooming the last one it drafted high.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

thanks 4th.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 24, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Unless Snyder demotes himself to janitor, I don't see how that would help...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

It's the sentiment that counts...

I'm sure JLA would LOVE to give the effort much coverage on his blog and at least word would get out. I can see the blog-header now...

"Fans Flood FedEx on Draft Day...With Pee"

Posted by: p1funk | April 24, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"I think anything is possible," Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, said during the predraft news conference at Redskins Park. "It's just what you're willing to give up."

By doing so they're giving up any change of a winner season for two to three years minimum. Our O-line and L'backers are ooooollllllld. Very old and very tired. Great teams, better yet, great teams in the NFC East run the ball with power. That power has to come in the form of a first class O-line that's built by stock piling first-third round linemen.

Posted by: Devo2 | April 24, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Redskins are the media's 'Punching Bag Darlings'.
Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 10:00 AM |
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Well, there's some truth to that. Wilbon's column is a prefect example.

What's amusing is that it's written by a guy whose own team (Chicago Bears) is every bit as dysfunctional as the Redskins.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 24, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Jets Interested in Campbell
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 24, 2009, 10:01 a.m.

The Washington Redskins’ pursuit of USC quarterback Mark Sanchez may trigger a ripple effect that could send Redskins starter Jason Campbell in a trade to the quarterback-needy New York Jets, according to David Elfin of the Washington Times.

That is, if the Redskins are able to trade up from the 13th overall pick to acquire Sanchez, who is rapidly emerging as the wild card of the upper half of the first round with several teams in the chase.

The Jets are interested in Campbell, who has signaled that he wants out of Washington if they draft a quarterback, as a fallback option if they are unable to land Sanchez themselves. New York currently holds the No. 17 pick.

Redskins executive Vinny Cerrato dismissed the notion that he has spoken to the Jets regarding Campbell.

Through their actions, the Redskins have made it clear that they want to upgrade at quarterback. Their interest in Sanchez follows an unsuccessful offseason bid for Jay Cutler, who was traded to the Chicago Bears by the Denver Broncos.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 24, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

No.

If they draft Sanchez, we have to hope they trade Campbell for picks, turn the picks into offensive lineman, and give the rook the starting job.


If they believe in the kid from USC, let them sink or swim with him.

We want the FO office to justify drafting a quarterback it has to groom while it's still grooming the last one it drafted high.


Posted by: MistaMoe |

I agree with this. 4th did you post your youtube prediction?

Posted by: TWISI | April 24, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I could see us trading up as high as #7 or 8 to get either Curry/Tyson/Ayers depending on where the board goes after the Bengals @ #6.

Vinny has stated this is a pretty thin draft as evidenece by his 146 draft grades. If a definite picks are starting to get scooped up, look for him to trade up or back if he isn't satisfied at all with the choices....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Sanchez could be a disaster if he is forced to start prematurely!! He seems to be the type of QB that should sit on the bench learning for a couple of seasons. He only has 18 college starts!! If he is forced to start his confidence will soon be shattered while getting mauled by NFC East defenses. Snyder is so enamored with Sanchez because of his "presence and charisma". If that is the case, there are any number of motivational speakers that could be a franchise quarterback according to Snyder.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 24, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Underclass QBs rarely do good starting in the NFL, coming out of the draft.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 24, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

When did he become a QB we can't live without? When did he become the all pro everyone in here acts like he is.

posted by: LEVI

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JUST WHEN DID CAMPBELL BECOME THE PROBLEM THIS TEAM NEEDS TO FIX!!!!

ITS EASY FIX WHATS BROKE THEN UPGRADE!!!

doesnt take a genius

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 24, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

So, just to recap..

1. I was right about trading Jason Campbell, and if my advice had been heeded, we would have gotten much more in return than we will get now.

2. Ovechkin is Jason Campbell, but only in hockey player form.

3. Peeing on the wall will show Dan Snyder the light!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I agree with this. 4th did you post your youtube prediction?

Posted by: TWISI | April 24, 2009 10:08 AM

I threw my hands up because I wanted to perfect it, but sadly couldn't. I put alot of work into it, but I had too many post April 15th tax issues and little kids and pregnant wife in my ear all this week, so.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Actually this rumor has been reported EVERYWHERE and it started well before JLC even wrote about it - heck, he got it from the other reports.


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 24, 2009 9:59 AM |

No JLC first reported it then PFT wrote about it giving JLC credit, then it exploded from there.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 24, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"2. Football is fun because it's a game filled with complex human characters. While what you argue about wasting 2 years if we draft Sanchez is possible (I myself had this fear initially, especially the "wasted playbook" syndrome), it is certainly not the most probable outcome. A great many things can happen along the way. Sanchez might learn the playbook more quickly than anyone thought (especially since he's more suited to the WC than Campbell). When the new coach arrives, he could be adjusted to game speed and be ready to thrive (a bit like Matt Ryan). Or it's possible that he could play towards the end of this season, become reasonably confident, and be a rock star next season. My point here is that many times football rarely follows rationale. If it did, then Ryan wouldn't have made the playoffs as a rookie. If it did, then Eli Manning wouldn't have led the Giants to a SB victory over the "invincible" Pats. That's why we love it and (in my best Chris Berman imitation) "that's why they play the gaaaame".

Posted by: hailbg"

This is true. I'm not denying that a number of things can happen, or that everything is set in stone. That's why I said it would be an "uphill battle" for Sanchez to be drafted here, and (not sure if I actually put this) that he would need to prove to be one of those "exceptional" QBs to do it.

For every Matt Ryan, there's an Alex Smith or Joey Harrington. For every Joe Flacco, there's a Kyle Boller or Byron Leftwich. These guys are the exceptions to the rule. Sanchez very well may be able to step in right away and pick up the playbook from day one. That's not something that I would bank on though, if I was running this team.

(By the way, I wouldn't put too much stock into saying Sanchez is a better WCO fit. Sanchez ran the west coast in college. So did Jason Campbell, and he did it very effectively. If you truly believe that Campbell isn't a fit for the professional WCO, then you can't assume that Sanchez, based on his college experience, would be better).

continued...

Posted by: psps23 | April 24, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

…continued

It's my firm belief that the best way to go about grooming a young "franchise" QB is to ensure the pieces are in place around him BEFORE he gets put on the spot.

Take Matt Ryan for example. Look at his starting offensive line:

LT - Sam Baker - 22 (rookie 1st round selection)
LG - Justin Blalock - 24 (2 years pro)
C - Todd McClure - 31 (10 years pro)
RG - Harvey Dahl - 26 (2 years pro)
RT - Tyson Clabo - 26 (3 years pro)

Before they selected Ryan, they had remodeled their line with 3 young starters. The 4th guy, Sam Baker, they had targeted prior to the draft and made sure they got him by trading up to select him. They knew he was a cornerstone caliber tackle. Ryan had the basis of a great, and young, offensive line in front of him from the start.

Now let's look at who Flacco had in front of him:

Lt - Jared Gaither - 22 (2 years pro)
LG - Ben Grubbs - 24 (2 years pro)
C - Jason Brown - 24 (4 years pro)
RG - Marshall Yanda - 23 (1 year pro)
RT - Willie Anderson - 32 (13 years pro)

Both of these teams had built their lines BEFORE selecting their "franchise" QBs. Both of them either (1) already had a running game -- Baltimore, or (2) went out and got a running game -- Atlanta with Michael Turner. Receivers-wise, Atlanta spent had two young, former first rounders, and Baltimore had a proven veteran (Derrick Mason) and another young former first rounder (Clayton).

Those teams had their pieces set before they drafted. Those teams also had new coaching staffs to ensure they were committed to this guy being in the same system. The Redskins have the skill positions largely covered, but the offensive line? Not even close. I don't even need to display the situation with our o-line. Offensive coaching staff? On the hot seat. With Shanahan, Cowher, and the other SB winning coaches out there, it's now or never for Zorn. Those are two critical, critical pieces that need to be settled before any QB gets brought in.

Look, I'll say again, I don't care if you're 100% positive Campbell isn't the guy. You don't draft another "franchise" QB until (1) you're coaching situation is 100% settled, and (2) you've built the proper pieces around him to allow him to succeed.

You're asking for Sanchez to fail if he comes here at this point. If he comes, I sincerely hope it doesn't happen like that, but I wouldn't be too optimistic.

Posted by: psps23 | April 24, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

On a positive note, it's a good thing the FO has signed punter Hunter Smith.

When you add Smith to the CFL special teamer added back in Jan., you see that the team is actually working to fix an area most fans rarely discuss: special teams.

Hopefully, during the window of time right after the draft on Sunday night, they find some undrafted guys who want to be special team stars.

Maybe we'll get lucky.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

4th, congrats on the pregnancy...how is the wife feeling??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 24, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

JUST WHEN DID CAMPBELL BECOME THE PROBLEM THIS TEAM NEEDS TO FIX!!!!

ITS EASY FIX WHATS BROKE THEN UPGRADE!!!

doesnt take a genius

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 24, 2009 10:14 AM

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sshhhh! Snyder might here you and draft a lineman.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 24, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/24/source-jets-maintain-interest-in-campbell/

So, A source from the Jets are openly talking about trading for JC17 if they lose out in the Sancez sweepstakes?

Ha! That would never happen in the NF of L. And this is coming from a longtime NFL/Redskins reporter. They are def doing the Team's bidding in throwing off some other team in the league.

Maybe the Jets and Redskins don't mind the disinformation coming out?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Anyway, got a couple miles of air last night, didn't mean to go ebola..I,too, remember the frustration with Campbell in the pocket, the lack of pinache in Zorn's playcalling after week 8, and yeah, they were kinda lucky to be 6-2. Campbell and Zorn might not be compatible, that's a major intangible, and maybe that's playing a huge part in the pursuit of Sanchez. If that's the case, trade Campbell, get Sanchez, but make sure that RT slot is upgraded- results will be worse than 8-8 if the kid is blitzed by the NFC Beast on that side. OT: MAKE IT SO!!...4,3,2,1, Earth beeloww us, drifting, faaalling..

Posted by: frak | April 24, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Guru, you are rediculous... you are wrong on all fronts... but no one expects you to own up to your mistakes... are you JLC posting as a fan?

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

It's worthless to argue about this, none of us can control it so why bother. If I'm wrong I will come on here and say it, and as punishment I will read every post that Periculum writes.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 24, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Good News??

Rocky McIntosh agent Drew Rosenhaus has reported that he and Ceratto are in talks to work out a 1 year extension...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 24, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Flound, "I will read every post that Periculum writes"...judging by the punishment you're advocating for, you've obviously started drinking and are completely irrational.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 24, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

no really bench... dont extend him, let him play out this year and if he stays healthy, then extend him 2 years.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Bean. She is sick all the time, which means it will be a girl. Due date in December. Hopefully day before the cowgirl's game.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

And, i think it says we think we are set at LB

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

sorry to hear she's sick, but awesome at the same time. Good stuff, happy for you.

Girl or boy, might I suggest "Gregory" as a possible name..??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 24, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

The only way any of this works out is if we draft and o line at 13 or move back.

Maybe they floated Cutler originally to set up this scenario where someone moves up to our spot.

Maybe they told campbell to act pissed.

Maybe we are smart? Well, the track record says no, so I guess I will expect the worst.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Teams are not going to tell you what they are going to do, actually you should expect the opposite of what they say before the draft to happen.

Posted by: Flounder21


Why would you *not* believe Snyder is pursuing Sanchez? Of course he is, and so are the Browns and the Jets and possibly the Seahawks and 49ers. Just a month ago, Synder tried mightily to land Cutler. Is this not enough evidence for you that he is trying to land a new QB?

He has already destroyed the relationship with Campbell. He has even more reason now to make a switch. I'm not saying that Synder will be able to pull it off, but it's crazy to think that this is all a smokescreen...

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 24, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

You know, if we could trade back, and go after lineman in the next 2 drafts with maybe one key FA pickup next year, we could really field a solid team in 2010.

After this year, we could dump Smoot, Rabach, Rock, Thrash, Yoder, and also (if there is no cap) Randy, Jansen, and ARE.

All we would really need to replace those guys are a new RT, RG, C, Nickel Corner, and a WR. Plus we have to get a DE and OLB.

We don't need another 3rd TE and a WR playmaker who could return kicks would be great.

So thats a TOTAL of SEVEN starters that we need to pick up in the span of TWO DRAFTS and ONE Free Agency.

Doesn't seem too ridiculous to think we could land two starters this year with limited picks, 2-3 next year with a full draft, and 2 reasonable FA pickups.

2010 to the SB baby!

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 24, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

The deal on Flacco:

I'm so tired of people citing "Flacco" as a reason why we should draft Snachez and turn the reins over to him.

What happened to Flacco is what happened to Tom Brady, and it is not the kind of thing you "plan" to happen.

Harbaugh said himself that the team had NO intention of starting Flacco last year, but Boller got injured and Smith got some wierd virus, so they were forced to go with him.

He ended up doing 2 things well:

1) not screwing up - he didn't melt down, he didn't turn the ball over and he allowed a great rushing attack and the 2nd ranked defense to carry this team.

2) threw a timely deep ball - every now and again, he would connect on a nice deep pass or 2 in a game and keep defenses honest.

All in all, Flacco was Trent Dilfer with a better deep ball.

But the point is that YOU DON'T PLAN FOR SCENARIOS LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN. Sometimes you get a bit lucky and the stars align. The majority of situations like this do NOT work out well.

Smart people who are trying to build winners don't have a strategy that revolves around maybe catching lightning in a bottle.

Posted by: p1funk | April 24, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Bean,

I had to think of the worst thing possible.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 24, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

This punter sounds good. Since he has an arm, they should throw a fake every now and then on FG attempts. You always had to watch out for that when Tom Tupa was young in his career with the Jets.

Posted by: clark202 | April 24, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Look, I'll say again, I don't care if you're 100% positive Campbell isn't the guy. You don't draft another "franchise" QB until (1) you're coaching situation is 100% settled, and (2) you've built the proper pieces around him to allow him to succeed.

You're asking for Sanchez to fail if he comes here at this point. If he comes, I sincerely hope it doesn't happen like that, but I wouldn't be too optimistic.

Posted by: psps23 | April 24, 2009 10:17 AM

Amen, psps23. If this team rides out JC's contract and fires Zorn after the season, and gets Shanahan or someone with the resume to stay here for more than a couple years, THEN I would back the drafting of a QB. Sam Bradford is likely available next year and I'd take him over Sanchez any day. I'm not at all opposed to upgrading the QB position in due time, I'm opposed to trying to do it now when there are at least a half dozen other priorities.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

No JLC first reported it then PFT wrote about it giving JLC credit, then it exploded from there.

Posted by: Flounder21

No, not true. I am a professed Redskin and NFL addict and I listen all day long to 980 (while at work) and watch CSN and the NFL Network. The reports about Sanchez came from those outlets BEFORE JLC wrote about it.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 24, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Rocky McIntosh agent Drew Rosenhaus has reported that he and Ceratto are in talks to work out a 1 year extension...

Rocky McIntosh....?

Who...?

The team is giving an extension to an underperforming weakside linebacker but wants to replace its coming into his own starting quarterback.

Go figure.

Why extend Rocky when he and Robert Thomas are practically interchangable?

I'd prefer to not extend Rocky Mac and draft a kid who'd be just as invisible on game day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not saying that Synder will be able to pull it off, but it's crazy to think that this is all a smokescreen...

Posted by: all_star_0013"

While I actually believe Snyder has interest, this type of sentiment is exactly the reason that it very well may be a smokescreen.

Just a little tidbit, Matt Moseley, the NFC East blogger for espn, said twice in his chat yesterday that (1) he's not convinced Snyder is in love with Sanchez, and (2) privately the Skins are saying they will not trade up to get him. Just FYI.

Posted by: psps23 | April 24, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Why would you *not* believe Snyder is pursuing Sanchez? Of course he is, and so are the Browns and the Jets and possibly the Seahawks and 49ers. Just a month ago, Synder tried mightily to land Cutler. Is this not enough evidence for you that he is trying to land a new QB?

He has already destroyed the relationship with Campbell. He has even more reason now to make a switch. I'm not saying that Synder will be able to pull it off, but it's crazy to think that this is all a smokescreen...


Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 24, 2009 10:33 AM |

I will repeat myself wont happen who cares about the rest.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 24, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

nd what people forget is this: elite QBs aren't born, they're made. The reason you list Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as the best in the NFL is because they have played in the SAME SYSTEM THEIR ENTIRE CAREERS. If you put Manning with the Lions, see if he's breaking any records. I'd even say if he were in Washington he'd still be a decent QB and nothing more. As long as coaches and offenses change every year or two, NO QB will have any sustained success here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 7:11 AM |

Amen

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 24, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

I third this motion. *Clang*

Motion passed.

Mr Snyder please hand the keys over make way for a real owner with a real GM. Not your playful bed pal Cerrato.

Posted by: Devo2 | April 24, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Teams are not going to tell you what they are going to do, actually you should expect the opposite of what they say before the draft to happen.

Posted by: Flounder21

Yeah, cause Snyder has always been such a savvy football guru that to expect him to do anything seemingly foolish is unbelievable.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 24, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

No, not true. I am a professed Redskin and NFL addict and I listen all day long to 980 (while at work) and watch CSN and the NFL Network. The reports about Sanchez came from those outlets BEFORE JLC wrote about it.


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 24, 2009 10:36 AM |

What report are you talking about, I'm talking about when JLC reported the Skins liked Sanchez, that was the first I had herd of it, and I'm all over the internet all day and listen to 980 all day except for Cowturd and Mike and Mike.

Alot of other rumors have come since then that have been reported elswhere but the original report came from JLC.

Who cares it wont happen and if it does then so be it, if it upsets you that bad then root for another team because Snyder is not going anywhere.

He will out live most of us that post here, his rich and can afford better Doctors.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 24, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

According to the Denver Post the Broncos are now in the Sanchez hunt. If true, they have a lot more ammo to move up then the skins. Hope it's true. Likely scenario is the skins get outbid to move up, don't get Sanchez and end up playing the season with a torqued off JC who in turn has a career year and forces the club to either franchise him or lose him.

Posted by: skinswest | April 24, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Again, this is one instance where Snyder/Cerrato's past fumblings may pay off inasmuch as other teams may believe the Skins will try to grab Sanchez, and that may work to their advantage if a team below the Skins (Jets) wants to move up.

It's like the scene from "Airplane!" when the guy asks Robert Stack if he should turn on the runway lights and Stack replies, "No!.... That's just what they're (i)expecting us to do."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 24, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"Yeah, cause Snyder has always been such a savvy football guru that to expect him to do anything seemingly foolish is unbelievable.

Posted by: ga8085"

Yes, but how many of those seemingly foolish decisions were actually predictable? Nobody here saw Jim Zorn being hired. Nobody here saw Fred Davis being drafted. Nobody here saw 3 skill playmakers being taken in the second round of the draft.

I don't know, if it was me, I'd almost be less surprised if Snyder traded up to #4 and selected Crabtree. That would be seemingly foolish AND out of the blue. More Snyder's style.

Posted by: psps23 | April 24, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I'd prefer to not extend Rocky Mac and draft a kid who'd be just as invisible on game day.

Posted by: MistaMoe

R McIntosh was second on the team in tackles behind Fletch. 87 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 FF and an INT.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 24, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

can we afford to sign Marvin Harrison to a 1 year vet min deal?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 24, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I'll be so glad when tomorrow is over. It just doesn't seem possible that they would so willingly throw away any chance at making the playoffs for the next few years just to draft Sanchez. We see the consequences so surely Danny/Vinny do too. Right???? This is just a smokescreen to help make sure they get a lineman. My sanity needs this to be true!

Posted by: will_ga | April 24, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Whether it's true or not, the fact that other teams may have more ammunition then the Skins to get Sanchez may save the dynamic duo from a major blunder. But the truth is, even if they don't get Sanchez, we'll never really know if they were pursuing him or not.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 24, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Many on here threaten to give up the colors; as Ive said before, no one is stopping you but if you choose this path then be done with it and make sure its for life. No one wants you back when we finally reach glory (you know, sometime in the next century). As for the other disgruntled fans, join the REDSKINS RELOVEUTION -- dont buy any official merchandise or concessions inside FedExField -- sneak in your own beer and food (its easy) make your own redskins gear (fun and easy) or buy it used or just wear your old stuff but we must starve the beast. HAIL JASON #17

Posted by: SkinsInSichuan | April 24, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Moe
That would be a waste of a draft pick, so you are probably right on.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | April 24, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I think we have to draft one of two things with our #13 overall pick.

We have to seriously look at drafting the BPA, that's Best Punter Available. I'm not sure if he'll drop to #13, but if he does, we have to snatch him up before anyone else does. Imagine if we can get an extra 2 or 3 yards average per punt. That would be huge, and spending draft picks on punters is not a problem.

If we don't feel comfortable selecting the BPA (Best Punter Available), I think we need to select a great, character special teams guy. Imagine how much of a locker room leader a guy with the overall skillset of James Thrash could be. Imagine having a younger James Thrash on the team.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I don't know, if it was me, I'd almost be less surprised if Snyder traded up to #4 and selected Crabtree. That would be seemingly foolish AND out of the blue. More Snyder's style.

Posted by: psps23 | April 24, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Good point. What I'm hoping for is that if they do trade up, they fool everybody and take someone like Smith, Monroe, or Curry.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 24, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I see Crabtree falling....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

If the Rams are so hot to trade their 1st that they would advertise it, why not send them next year's 1st and a second or a third for it?? If we MUST get Sanchez, at least we can get that top OT also..

Posted by: frak | April 24, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The guy on ESPN's First Take says we'll pick Oher.

I'd be happy with that.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 24, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Is there anyway the FO came to an agreement with the seahawks to drive up the price for the number 4 pick? if we drive the price up high enough, Seattle will trade their 4th round pick pick for our fifth as compensation for the good dead we did, That was the dream I had last night.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | April 24, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Yes, but how many of those seemingly foolish decisions were actually predictable? Nobody here saw Jim Zorn being hired. Nobody here saw Fred Davis being drafted. Nobody here saw 3 skill playmakers being taken in the second round of the draft.

I don't know, if it was me, I'd almost be less surprised if Snyder traded up to #4 and selected Crabtree. That would be seemingly foolish AND out of the blue. More Snyder's style.

Posted by: psps23

It's really not as complicated as you make it. Snyder/Cerrato drafted Fred Davis because he was the best player left on their board at the time. He said this publicly. The same was true with Landry the year before.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 24, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"I see Crabtree falling...."

Some team is going to luck out in a major way then. He's the best player in this draft. If he could have run at the combine, no one would be thinking he'll drop.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 24, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

SNYDER IS DUMB MORON!HIRE A GM ALREADY!!! HOW DOES THIS LITTLE NERD KNOW THAT SANCHEZ IS GOING TO BE SUCH A GOOD QB?

Posted by: BarackObama | April 24, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

JLC, I live in Texas and I could come up with a better topic thsn signing a punter. You should probably post next about what Portis' favorite soda is... are you a volunteer?

Posted by: DCXNTX | April 24, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"And don't be so quick to get on that Hawks' bandwagon.

The beauty of baseball is that the season is long, so many factors can take a team down, and cause others to rise up.

Just turn the Bravos out for a lil' bit, then tune in again at the end of May.

Posted by: MistaMoe "


whoa whoa, let me clear up any misconception

I am a Charlotte Beastcats fan, my friend. We're on the way to the promised land! Even though we have some really crappy starters and our best player is either Gerald Wallace or Emeka Okafor. Ouch!

And we have Sean May on the team. That's a recipe for success!


and someone asked earlier if Sanchez is considered a good fit for the West Coast offense. I can't really get into details, but from what I understand the general consensus is that yes, he is a very good fit. I watched him a little last year and I can see it looking back, but I'm not even gonna try to evaluate any QB's in the draft, I think its impossible. Only the great Sports Guru can do those things.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Someone on here suggested that Zorn would be the hire - they were joking, but I know someone did.

As to 4th naming his blessed arrival "Gregory", I'd suggest an alternate name from the RI roster.

"The Truth12"

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 24, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

After I put my head through a window (glass ... closed window) when the draft Sanchez, my dying hope will be that they don't bother trying to get a draft pick for Jason Campbell, but instead a starting SLB.

I'm just so angry that Campbell is even subject to the REASONABLE QUESTION of whether he'd want to be traded if they drafted Sanchez.

Posted by: dcsween | April 24, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

johnd, you cut me deep.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 24, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"It's really not as complicated as you make it. Snyder/Cerrato drafted Fred Davis because he was the best player left on their board at the time. He said this publicly. The same was true with Landry the year before.

Posted by: all_star_0013"

"Snyder/Cerrato drafted Fred Davis because he was the best player left on their board."

"Their board" are the key words here. They got Landry only because Betts had a 1000 yard season the year before and Portis was coming back healthy, which left Adrian Peterson off the board.

Truth is nobody knows what Snyder/Cerrato are thinking. It wouldn't shock me at all to see them move up to get Crabtree, who has been compared to Larry Fitzgerald. And everyone knows how this team loves it's skill positions.

Posted by: psps23 | April 24, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

A few years prior to their divorce, some friends of mine did one of the few remaining things they could agree on ... they named their daughter Ella, middle name Menno ... in honor of the run of letters in the middle of the alphabet that are usually pronounced as one word ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 24, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Sanchez-s contract is going to be a stratospheric cap-hit: how's Snyder going to do it?? That voodoo lady on Bourbon St. has shot the proverbial wad..

Posted by: frak | April 24, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I see Crabtree falling ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 10:52 AM

Do you hear it? Does it make a sound?

Posted by: dcsween | April 24, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

... She is sick all the time, which means it will be a girl. ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 10:27 AM

In my observations, the sicker the mom, the more hair on the newborn's head at birth ... not related to gender.

Posted by: dcsween | April 24, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

can we afford to sign Marvin Harrison to a 1 year vet min deal?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 24, 2009 10:46 AM

This would be the equivalent of when the Skins signed Andre Reed at the end of his career several years ago. Pass.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I could use a little more hair on my head....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 24, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Are there any players that we can trade for picks without taking a serious cap hit? Betts? Collins?

Posted by: brian58 | April 24, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

OK, I'm just throwing some sh*t against the wall and seeing what sticks but here goes:

Say Mauluga is available at 13. He would fit a big need for the Patriots as an ILB in a 3-4. I'd like to see a trade with the Pats for picks 23 and 34. We could move back and pick up a LB like Matthews or Laurinits and then grab Ebon Britton as a RT.

I'm not sure what the draft pick value chart says about this but maybe some of you can use the interwebs to find out.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 24, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

In my observations, the sicker the mom, the more hair on the newborn's head at birth ... not related to gender.

Posted by: dcsween | April 24, 2009 11:14 AM

Actually in my case, the heartburn for us = more hair. My wife had extreme to the max heart burn with our daughter and she had a whole bunch of hair (and she was sick all the time).

My wife had barely any heartburn with our son and he came out with just a little tiny Mohawk (and she was never sick with him).

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Draft Best Punter Available.

I hope our front office has been focusing on punters while scouting college players.

Name me one team that has won a Superbowl without a punter. NEVER HAPPENED.

Every team that has ever won a Superbowl had a punter!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Greg - I really should have said that "Truth12" should be used for the NEXT RI baby. But can't you see that as a trend? A whole bunch of DC-MD-VA babies named Perriculum, NateinthePDX and Flounder?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 24, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Are there any players that we can trade for picks without taking a serious cap hit? Betts? Collins?

Posted by: brian58 | April 24, 2009 11:17 AM

Both. They are both cap friendly in trades and cut.

I say trade Betts and cut Collins. We only need 2 QBs on the roster anyway.

And I want to pick up a mid-round running back to replace 30 yr old Betts...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

OE,

I would go for that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 24, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

etrod;

I want Malaluga... F trading pics so someone else can get him. If none of the top 4 oline picks are there at 13, TAKE THE GRAN MAL!!!

Posted by: Zeebs | April 24, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

My next child will be name facsimile_etrod

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 24, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Say Mauluga is available at 13. He would fit a big need for the Patriots as an ILB in a 3-4. I'd like to see a trade with the Pats for picks 23 and 34. We could move back and pick up a LB like Matthews or Laurinits and then grab Ebon Britton as a RT.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 24, 2009 11:20 AM

That was the general idea moving back last year...but you can't count on Vinny picking our needs. He might take a LB and a WR (and the LB won't play all year) and we'll all be back here ready to choke him all over again...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 24, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

You think the rams and al saunders would trade for Collins. And what did Minnesota give up for sage rosenfels? I think we could get something similar

Posted by: theFreshinAU | April 24, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Actually, this may be the best thing that ever happened to JC.

He finally has a fire lit under his azz, and so following the Cutler talk and the Sanchez talk (they won't draft him) he needs to go out and step it up big time, no excuses.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 24, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so I have only posted on here a few times but I have a question... This has been talked about in this forum more than I can count, but in all seriousness...How can we go about getting Snyder to hire a real GM? Can we start a petition? Can we write our local congressman? Can we get everybody on this forum to send him a handwritten letter? I mean, we're the ones that pay the bills right? We pay hundereds of dollars to go to the game, we buy the jerseys, we put up with the BS. They can't field a team if we don't buy into it. I want a real GM and I want one now. Everyone talks about it, but there has to be somethiing we can do. I refuse to give up on my favorite sports franchise but it WILL NEVER GET BETTER until we do somethinig about it. Any sugestions?

Posted by: bnc211 | April 24, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Name your kid Vincent Cerrato and beat him every day.


Seriously, that youtube clip of Vinny Cerrato acting in that god awful movie....lol.

If you haven't seen it, DO YOURSELF A FAVOR

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 24, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

bnc211
Doesn't matter who the GM is if Snyder won't give them autonomy.

Posted by: skinswest | April 24, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Good call, Brown. That scenario would require a front office that could find its own arse with 2 hands and a roadmap.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 24, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised there hasn't been an update lately.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 24, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Calcium..Babies rob the moms of their calcium in the belly..

Posted by: frak | April 24, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Please expound further Frak. What is the outcome of babies taking calcium from the mmother's belly to to the child and mother?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Moms are almost always calcium deficient post-partum..I got a ton of calcium from me moms and have "unusual bone density" and no cavities!! Moms has just a couple of teeth left and bone issues..

Posted by: frak | April 24, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

'...SNYDER IS DUMB MORON!HIRE A GM ALREADY!!! HOW DOES THIS LITTLE NERD KNOW THAT SANCHEZ IS GOING TO BE SUCH A GOOD QB?'

Posted by: BarackObama

Mr. President, we are glad you've joined our conversation. Obviously, having to pick up Bo's little 'droppings' haven't stopped you from connecting with the real people.

Your opinions regarding Mr Snyder are strong. Is water-boarding in his future?

We at Redskins Insider Nation have turned your slogan, "Yes, We Can!" into "We Hope the idiots don't trade up!"

We hpoe the change we can believe in is stability and continuity and not the chase for the next new thing.

In the event that Mr. Snyder does something wack tomorrow afternoon during the draft, we hope the missles aimed at Russia are re-directed at Redskins Park.

Not that we want anyone injured....we are just saying.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Look for John Corcoran column "Top Ten Reasons Why Redskins Shouldn't Draft Sanchez" later today (Friday) on NFLDraftdog.

can link from WW.tinyurl.com/corkcolumn

or

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm

Posted by: TheCork | April 24, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

My next child will be name facsimile_etrod

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 24, 2009 11:29 AM

I LOVE this place again.

4thFloor, pass on the explanation ... sounds like CalciumFloor is going to be a rasta.

Posted by: dcsween | April 24, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

... We at Redskins Insider Nation have turned your slogan, "Yes, We Can!" into "We Hope the idiots don't trade up!" ...

In the event that Mr. Snyder does Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 11:56 AM

I was leaning toward "We Know You Can, But Please Don't"

Posted by: dcsween | April 24, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Cork, with the link, I was expecting my Top Ten list NOW. [Looking for ... So People Will Start Calling Someone Other Than The Owner 'Dirty']

Posted by: dcsween | April 24, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, a little more than a day now, everyone is going to know the term for trading for the FIRST PICK to land a coveted QB who will be overpaid (even by first pick QB standards) ... it'll be a called a "Dirty Snyder."

Posted by: dcsween | April 24, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Truth is nobody knows what Snyder/Cerrato are thinking. It wouldn't shock me at all to see them move up to get Crabtree, who has been compared to Larry Fitzgerald. And everyone knows how this team loves it's skill positions.

Posted by: psps23
Actually, it's pretty easy to know what they are thinking. They want a new QB. Re: Jay Cutler.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 24, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I just realized the Jasons had an article about Campbell demanding a trade if we get Sanchez. Ofcourse the un-named source for all of these trading JC stories is his agent and is looking out for his best interest.

But it does nothing but add fire to the rumor mill.

I don't see this happening at all. JC needs not be worried. And if Sanchez does come, he should be able to keep him on the bench. And we should not trade JC and hope their is no new CBA next year......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 24, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm

Posted by: TheCork | April 24, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant!

Posted by: skinswest | April 24, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

psps: "Before they selected Ryan, they had remodeled their line with 3 young starters. The 4th guy, Sam Baker, they had targeted prior to the draft and made sure they got him by trading up to select him. They knew he was a cornerstone caliber tackle. Ryan had the basis of a great, and young, offensive line in front of him from the start.
Now let's look at who Flacco had in front of him:

You make it sound so neat and pretty LOL.

Brilliant FO personnel suss out the gems, draft them, ensure years of top-flight performance.

Not that easy.

Take Atlanta's line. They drafted Baker and Blalock, nice moves both, although Baker has many question-marks. Harvey Dahl, however, was an undrafted FA signed originally by the Cowboys, cut a month later, then signed by the Niners, then picked up off the practice squad by Atlanta. He played pretty well last season, but rumor has it they're in the market for a replacement. Tyson Clabo's another undrafted FA. He started with Denver, then tried to catch on with the Giants and San Diego before winding up at Atlanta. He might be a keeper -- unless somebody better comes available. The center was drafted in 1999, so a replacement is due there.

Now for Baltimore. Few GMs we respect more than Ozzie, and have praised his line-building, except there's a problem with the pass blocking. According to Mike Preston in the Sun a few days ago, "Gaither's too young, Willia Anderson is too old (turns 33), and backup Adam Terry too ineffective." Preston is pushing the team to consider a lineman before a receiver, thinking that's what's wrong with the passing game.

Their best draftee, Jason Brown, exited stage left to St Louis last year. That's why they paid a king's ransom for Matt Birk.

Both O-lines played great last year -- better than anybody had a right to expect. But the process as a whole is a lot less tidy than it might look on the surface.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 24, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Let me start by saying F Dan Snyder, and F Vinny and their Tom Cruise circle jerk for pissing all over this franchise and for failing to delegate properly.

Next I'd like to point out that Sanchez basically guarantees Zorn another year. Could that be why he hasn't stepped in? Wouldn't a word from Zorn, the head and QB coach about young Jason turn the focus toward more glaring needs?

They're probably dismissive of this -ish storm they've stirred up reasoning that fans are just being loyal and don't have to make the hard decisions, to which I'd reiterate my first statement.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 24, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Build up your line on O and D first and keep all of next years picks. Why? Because regardless if Campbell's your QB or not and if Zorn is your coach or not, you need a foundation of a decent line on both sides of the ball. You might as well do it now.

Plus next year's draft has a better selection of QBs coming (If Campbell is not here). You give the new coach (If Zorn is not here) a chance to select his QB and possibly a RB or WR. Its not rocket science.

Posted by: clark202 | April 24, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

'...JC needs not be worried....'


I don't think he's worried.

I think he feels like the chick out on a date who waits for the fun to start while the guy she's with goes from table to table looking for another female.

Of course, when he returns to the table empty-handed, things are tense, and the guy has to spend more money than he intended to make things better.

Only it doesn't, and the guy goes home alone realizing it's better to respect what you have rather than chasing what you can't get.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

A draft haiku:

When it is winter
One must buy themselves shovels;
No point in a rake?

Posted by: Anonynonandon | April 24, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Fine, even accepting some of these idiotic pro-Sanchez give away the store JC bashing posts that say JC is average - SO BE IT.

I'll take an average (I don't think he is and we've yet to see what he's capable of) QB this year - one who has earned this year, and give him protection and let the receivers develop so we have more than two slot receivers and a pro bowl TE that's used to block to check down to while being pressured within a BRAND NEW OFFENSE UNDER A FIRST YEAR HEAD COACH.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 24, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I have come to grips that the Jason Campbell Era of Redskins Football is over really before it had a chance to develop. Snyder/Cerrato have again alienated another QB and thus we'll start over again. While I actually think Mark Sanchez could be a good QB in the league, this move just makes no sense with so many good QBs coming next year. I don't believe Sanchez has any better of a shot of becoming a franchise QB than the guys coming out next year and they will all have an additional year of experience and maybe that's why he came out this year. We all know that likely Zorn is done after this year with all the big names available next year. The skins interest in Sanchez makes me think that Snyder might have his eye on a big name that hasn't been mentioned on RI today and that is Pete Carroll. Everyone's heard the rumors that Snyder has a man crush on Carroll and it wouldn't surprise me at all if this time next year we are hearing from Pete Carroll as to who the Redskins will be drafting with their top 10 pick, oh wait we won't have one b/c we'll trade it away for Sanchez this year.

Also all you JC haters out there, the reason no one will gives us a 2nd round pick for JC is b/c everyone in the league knows Snyder is going to get Sanchez and lose all leverage when it comes to trading Campbell. Smart football man in the league play Snyder/Cerrato like a guzoo in a dime store and will wait the idiots out and gobble up JC for a 4th rounder. That's is why there have been no takers on Campbell. There are a number of teams out there who will take a guy who doesn't turn the ball over. Good luck JC, Washington isn't a place for you. It is place where people come to get paid to sign and not paid to win.

Posted by: jayandcat | April 24, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

'...Build up your line on O and D first and keep all of next years picks...'


Can't argue with this.

Let's all hope this is what happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 24, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"Both O-lines played great last year -- better than anybody had a right to expect. But the process as a whole is a lot less tidy than it might look on the surface.

Posted by: Samson151"

On the surface, yes, particularly for Atlanta. But that's why you have a GM, don't you? To know what talent you actually have, rather than what talent outside viewers feel is there. And maybe Vinny knows that Heyer and Rinehart can become consistent starters on a great offensive line unit. It's certainly possible. But early returns aren't looking too promising.

For Baltimore, they've been drafting linemen consistently for years. Jared Gaither, Ben Grubbs, Jason Brown, and Marshal Yanda were all drafted by the Ravens within the last 5 years. All 4 of them started last season. All 4 are young. Even when they couldn't retain Jason Brown, what did they do? They replaced him with a perennial pro-bowl center (even if he's older). There's no other way to spin it. That line is not an accident.

The fact of the matter is that Baltimore and Atlanta had their offensive lines largely set before they set up shop with their QBs. The base was there prior to the QBs arrival, and if it wasn't, a plan for getting that base (like Atlanta ensuring they got Baker) was there in it's place. "Rumor" may have it that Atlanta is looking for a replacement for Dahl (not likely IMO, considering the tender they put on him), but rumor also had it that the Redskins were looking for a replacement for Carlos Rogers. And even if Atlanta (because there's no way I believe Baltimore didn't have it planned out) just happened to land a great offensive line by chance, the fact is that Atlanta DID have a great offensive line for Matt Ryan to step in behind. He wouldn't have been successful last year had it not been that way. And judging by the Redskins' last two seasons, I'm going to venture a guess and say that wouldn't be the case for Sanchez.

Also, on another note, I wouldn't put too much stock into a writer that pushes for drafting an offensive lineman because one of the current starting tackles is "too young." That's a periculum level of logic.

Posted by: psps23 | April 24, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, it's pretty easy to know what they are thinking. They want a new QB. Re: Jay Cutler.

Posted by: all_star_0013"

Or they just wanted Jay Cutler (a "franchise" QB, to use Snyder's impeccable words). If they simply wanted a new QB, they'd have signed, or attempted to sign, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Byron Leftwich, Kerry Collins, or any of the other QBs that hit the FA market. But they didn't. Nor did they attempt to.

Posted by: psps23 | April 24, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Via ESPN's Sal Paolantonio:
The Redskins have talked about a number of scenarios, especially this one: trading from 13th to fourth and selecting Sanchez, then dealing Campbell to another team, perhaps the Minnesota Vikings, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or the Jets -- to recoup lost picks.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 24, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

psps: "The fact of the matter is that Baltimore and Atlanta had their offensive lines largely set before they set up shop with their QBs. The base was there prior to the QBs arrival, and if it wasn't, a plan for getting that base (like Atlanta ensuring they got Baker) was there in it's place."

Put that way, you can almost forget what had happened to Atlanta the season before.

Michael Vick. Bobby Petrino. A 4-12 record. 259 points for. 414 points against. Doesn't get a whole lot worse than that for a team that dreamed of a Super Bowl at season's start.

Their line wasn't 'set up.' That's why they drafted Sam Baker. They were starting two undrafted free agents on the other side. Their best guy was their center, and he was drafted before the turn of the century (really). You can call that front office perspicacity, but I call it successful desperation.

You know what they did best? They drafted a really good running back, and discovered they already had a really good WR group. Drafted to play with Vick, of course, but those plans had to change.

Ryan's season was excellent: started all 16 games, completed 61% of 434 passes for 3440 yards (7,9 average). 16 TDs, 11 INTs, only 17 sacks and 6 fumbles.

Now Baltimore started in much better position, even though they were coming off a miserable (for them) 5-11 campaign. Last in the division, 263 point for, 384 against. That's right; Atlanta's defense gave up fewer points than Baltimore's. The Skins gave up 74 fewer points than the Ravens. Now that had to hurt.

Flacco was an even bigger gamble than Ryan. But what were they going to do, stick with Boller or Troy Smith? Please. So they pulled the trigger and won the jackpot.

Flacco's season: also started all 16. 60% of 428 passes for 2971 yards, 6.9 average. Tossed 14 TDs and 12 interceptions. Sacked 32 times, fumbled 11.

A slightly rougher time of it. But the defense came back strong.

Who'll do best this coming season? Can't wait to see.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 24, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Atlanta signed that Running Back. But they had another one to go with him. Those power-speed running back duos are real popular right now.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 24, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

And of course, Atlanta's defense actually gave up more points in '07 than Baltimore's. Not all that many, but still... credit where credit is due.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 24, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

What's with the p, k carrousel? Just pick someone and stick with 'em you knuckleheads

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 24, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Or they just wanted Jay Cutler (a "franchise" QB, to use Snyder's impeccable words). If they simply wanted a new QB, they'd have signed, or attempted to sign, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Byron Leftwich, Kerry Collins, or any of the other QBs that hit the FA market. But they didn't. Nor did they attempt to.

Posted by: psps23

Now, it's semantics with you. You're a real idiot. Is that specific enough for you?

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 24, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

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