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Posted at 6:01 AM ET, 12/14/2010

Redskins are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention

By Jason Reid

With the Redskins mathematically eliminated from postseason contention, their final three games will serve as an audition process for the 2011 season.

"And that's not just for the young guys, for the rookies, it's for everyone," cornerback and defensive co-captain DeAngelo Hall said. "Everybody has to go out there and show Coach [Mike] Shanahan that they're part of the solution. You gotta go out there and do it."

Veteran players, however, have a body of work, providing more information for Shanahan in the evaluation process. And veterans, presumably, make fewer mistakes, which is very important to coaches.

But many young players need time to develop, and mistakes are part of that process, Shanahan said.

"What you have to do is evaluate these players," he said. "If players keep on making mistakes like they're making, then you make a decision to go a different direction. You're hoping that these players grow and at the end of the season are playing pretty good football."

Envisioning the projected performance of players years down the line, as they struggle to overcome mistakes early in their careers, is key, Shanahan said.

"They've made mistakes, but they're made full-speed, but you see potential in what they can do," he said. "It's all about the process of evaluating these players."

By Jason Reid  | December 14, 2010; 6:01 AM ET
 
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Redskins are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention

By Jason Reid

I'm not believing it until the stat geek says it's so. This will really cost us a lot of WPA's. I think.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Wow...breaking news you can only get from RI...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 6:29 AM | Report abuse


I am hopeful that our fans will accept my commitment and pledge to deliver a franchise that can compete in the NFC East every season.

what are blinders ?

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

bummer

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 14, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Hess, wanting to do it and having the wherewithal to make it happen are two different things...I mean, I can make a committment to making a million dollars. Doesn't mean I'll do it if I'm trying to do so by going to the casino every weekend...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse


bummer

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 14, 2010 7:11 AM |

hey hess, still alive and well ? don't you worry, help is on the way big guy

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Hess- I'm out of the denial and into the acceptance stage of Redskins football.

It's a yearly thing.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 14, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse


Hess, wanting to do it and having the wherewithal to make it happen are two different things...I mean, I can make a committment to making a million dollars. Doesn't mean I'll do it if I'm trying to do so by going to the casino every weekend...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 7:20 AM |
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I hear ya brown, but if money was the driving force we would win the division every year. I do get your point and understand that folks started over with the arrival of shanahan. I tried too, but this new head coach has demonstrated some weaknesses in his coaching, first year taken into consideration. all we can do is what we've done in the past and be good little redskin fans.

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm…Let me see. Looks like Shanahan is on track.
Got rid of Hanesworth…check
Brought in several of my old players….check
Canned as many of Vinny’s players as he could this year…check
Made everyone forget we had a good defense last year….check
Won more games than Zorn…check
Payroll down…check
Ok boys looks like it’s a winning season. Check, check, check.

Gotta have fun with it too.

Posted by: fat_back | December 14, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse


Hess- I'm out of the denial and into the acceptance stage of Redskins football.

It's a yearly thing.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 14, 2010 7:28 AM |
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now this is truely a sad day for the RI board. we'll regroup and see if the FO and coach shanahan can make the right moves in the offseason.

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

This is a creaky old team that needs to be demolished. But with the Dwarf in charge, they'll never really start from scratch.

Imagine this scenario: in 2011, the Skins eschew big-name free agents in favor of young role players. They use their draft picks on linemen on both sides of the ball.

They suck again in 2011 because of their lack of talent in skill positions and lack of depth everywhere. In 2012, they draft a young QB.

If you follow that scenario and the young QB works out, you've got a competitive team by 2014 or so.

But here's what will really happen: the Skins draft a running back, WR, safety, or linebacker in the 1st and sign a few guys who made the Pro Bowl back when they were good.

The Skins are mediocre in 2011 and buld no foundation for the future.

But in this scenario, the good little Skins fans have hope so they run out and buy jerseys and tickets. And that's what the Dwarf really wants.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 14, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse


Gotta have fun with it too.

Posted by: fat_back | December 14, 2010 7:34 AM |
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gotta have fun...check +

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

But here's what will really happen: the Skins draft a running back, WR, safety, or linebacker in the 1st and sign a few guys who made the Pro Bowl back when they were good.

The Skins are mediocre in 2011 and buld no foundation for the future.

But in this scenario, the good little Skins fans have hope so they run out and buy jerseys and tickets. And that's what the Dwarf really wants.

Posted by: diesel_skins_

I agree that we gotta burn this thing to the ground and start again. But keep in mind that we did alot of that this year. On offense we have what, four starter from last year? The d-line needs a lot of work or either we need a different defensive coordinator. At any rate, if the skins get a franchise qb and a dline, we could be looking at 2012 at the best to be competitive...next year is a wash.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | December 14, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

old, slow and overmatched. not competitive in the nfc east with the current roster. need a complete overhaul.

release 30 or more of the current players and start over. 3-4 defense is a mistake with current roster, play calling is unimaginative due to lack of talent.

mcnabb isn't the answer, trade him -- maybe we can get orton from denver and mcnabb can be tebow's backup.

we have to cut deep -- lots of vets need to go.

this team is more disappointing than most, and the outlook isn't good for three to five years with the current roster

Posted by: rbskin | December 14, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

old, slow and overmatched. not competitive in the nfc east with the current roster. need a complete overhaul.

release 30 or more of the current players and start over. 3-4 defense is a mistake with current roster, play calling is unimaginative due to lack of talent.

mcnabb isn't the answer, trade him -- maybe we can get orton from denver and mcnabb can be tebow's backup.

we have to cut deep -- lots of vets need to go.

this team is more disappointing than most, and the outlook isn't good for three to five years with the current roster

Posted by: rbskin | December 14, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Ah, garbage time! The sole reason this blog exists in the first place.

Posted by: mack1 | December 14, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse


Ah, garbage time! The sole reason this blog exists in the first place.

Posted by: mack1 | December 14, 2010 8:13 AM |
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the only garbage time has been watching the games themselves.

this is more like therapy, unless football is your sole existence and you can't get it up

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

mcnabb isn't the answer, trade him -- maybe we can get orton from denver

Posted by: rbskin | December 14, 2010 8:04 AM


I'll let you take a few minutes to stop and think about how idiotic that is...I mean, why stop there? Maybe we can get Derek Anderson to compete with Orton...problem solved at QB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

I hate math.

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Lee to the phils....didn't see that one...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

I'm just trying to not get injured these last three games.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 14, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

and you can't get it up

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Talking from personal experience???

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Odd thing is that Dan the Midget Megalomaniac will probably call this season a total and unqualified success.

To wit: he has limited his financial exposure as the league moves into the off season -- and the lock outs and walks outs that could severely disrupt next season.

For better or worse, he is off the hook for AH92's contract -- if only because the Big Dood decided to skip the mandatory off-season practices and voided the final two years of guaranteed money. It doesn't hurt that the Skins also still hold the option on his contract, and could trade to another team for players, picks, money or other considerations.

What's more, the whole AH92 saga has finally disabused the front office and fans of the notion that team can achieve success -- financially or competitively -- by over-paying for yet another over-the-hill free agent. Fans are screaming for the slow and steady approach -- willing to endure continued losing seasons while we build the team up through drafts and low cost trades and acquisitions -- which is probably fine with the front office too.

Meanwhile, the mid-season breakdown of CP26 means that he probably won't be back either -- at least under his current contract -- which would have paid him big money in 2011. Since 2010 was the last year of guaranteed money for Clinton, the club is now free to renegotiate or release him -- and his recent history of injuries probably means he won't garner much interest elsewhere either.

Rocky McIntosh and Carlos Rogers are also in tough positions and likely on their way out too -- at least if they continue to insist they should be paid more than the $1.5 to $2 million tenders they signed in the last off-season.

And despite all of the hoopla and fanfare over DM5's big contract -- a closer look at the fine print seems to indicate the front office will hold all the trump cards there too -- and thus could opt to pay him a fair to middling rate for next season, or they could simply trade or release him without much additional cost or bother.

And the few of the other players -- notably Landry, Cooley, Williams and Moss -- are all currently signed to fair-to-middling deals, but certainly nothing that will break the bank.

As for the rest of the roster -- there's not much else here worth keeping anyway -- so the team could feel free to hack away at will -- especially if and when the CBA talks break down.

So all in all, going into the off-season, it seems Danny is sitting pretty once again. Especially going into the period of uncertainty ahead, he's proabably thinking if you can't maximize your profits, well then at least you can minimize your losses.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 14, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

What we've learned, 12-14-10

By John Keim

1.Tampa Bay's youth and roster-building approach is in stark contrast to Washington's » For various reasons last year, the Redskins patched together an aging roster designed for short-term success. The Bucs turned over their roster and focused on developing young players. The result? They play with an energy the Redskins don't always have. When the Redskins commit to rebuilding, they will have a chance for long-term success. But this is not the most patient city in the world, from the fans -- who haven't seen a good stretch of success in 20 years -- to the owner to the head coach.

2. The offensive line has done a solid job protecting quarterback Donovan McNabb the past two weeks » The consecutive losses can't be pinned on them, even if they allowed four sacks vs. the New York Giants. But against the Giants they gave McNabb plenty of time to throw and Sunday they created numerous cutback lanes and huge holes for running back Ryan Torain, at least in the first half. They still struggle against strong defensive tackles, so upgrades remain necessary and RT Jammal Brown's mobility is still an issue. But give them credit for improved play.

3. The Redskins draft classes from 2007-09 are a big reason why this team continues to struggle » Washington had 21 picks in those three seasons combined, and only two of those selections are considered front-line starters -- safety LaRon Landry and linebacker Brian Orakpo. And only one other player is currently a starter -- struggling free safety Kareem Moore. Only nine players even remain with the organization (with two of them on injured reserve and another on the practice squad). It's impossible to have more than fleeting success with such a record.

4. As well as running back Ryan Torain has played this season, it's hard to get excited about his future because he still has to prove he can stay healthy » It's a shame, too, because he's now averaging 4.9 yards per carry and has shown a lot of promise. He's big enough to break arm tackles at the line and he's doing a nice job of pressing the hole, planting and cutting. He had several such cuts Sunday, leading to big gains. Torain is a much better runner than he was in the summer, and it would be interesting to see how good he could be if he stayed healthy for an extended period of time.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/redskins/2010/12/what-weve-learned-12-14-10#ixzz185nAjOrd

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm just trying to not get injured these last three games.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 14, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Will your employer put you on IR?

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I've never been one of those obsessed w/ just making the playoffs. What's the point of making the playoffs then getting blown out 42-0 in front of a national TV audience? At the start of the season, the Skins could've been a million to 1 to win the Super Bowl and it still would've been a lousy bet.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 14, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse


I'm just trying to not get injured these last three games.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 14, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Will your employer put you on IR?

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 8:29 AM |
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time to check out. you two have fun

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Not that I want them here, but where are the trolls at??? This is a big game coming up, loser gets the cellar!!!

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

time to check out. you two have fun

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Have a good one, you dive ass! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins draft classes from 2007-09 are a big reason why this team continues to struggle » Washington had 21 picks in those three seasons combined, and only two of those selections are considered front-line starters -- safety LaRon Landry and linebacker Brian Orakpo. And only one other player is currently a starter -- struggling free safety Kareem Moore. Only nine players even remain with the organization (with two of them on injured reserve and another on the practice squad). It's impossible to have more than fleeting success with such a record.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 8:29 AM

Now THIS is a great point from Keim...the Skins' 21 picks over the last 3 years is about as close to a full draft as we've seen here in the Snyder Era. While trading away picks has certainly backfired on the team BIG TIME, the MAIN reason for the team's struggles is because we've missed on the picks we keep just as badly.

So to review: trade away picks for players that don't pan out, the picks we keep are (mostly) used on players that don't pan out.

Just something to bear in mind for the "take a wrecking ball to the roster and start from scratch" crowd...hopefully, Allen and Shanahan do better than Vinny did. Certainly hard to be worse...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm just trying to not get injured these last three games.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 14, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Will your employer put you on IR?

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 8:29 AM

Not likely...down too many bodies here...I'll just have to watch my back...those paper cuts and carpal tunnel are a b!tch...rehab would take months!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 14, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

time to check out. you two have fun

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Have a good one, you dive ass! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 8:40 AM

Noooo hess...please come back!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 14, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse


Just something to bear in mind for the "take a wrecking ball to the roster and start from scratch" crowd...hopefully, Allen and Shanahan do better than Vinny did. Certainly hard to be worse...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 8:41 AM |
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allen and shanahan are the cerrato hangover remedy hopefully.

trade for orton ? sounds like a move vinny would make

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Hess doesn't play well with others, I don't want him in SPG anymore!

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

wake me when Austin/Cook/Jarmon are getting reps....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

allen and shanahan are the cerrato hangover remedy hopefully.

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 8:47 AM

Like Alka-Shanallentzer?

Posted by: PlayAction | December 14, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Just something to bear in mind for the "take a wrecking ball to the roster and start from scratch" crowd...hopefully, Allen and Shanahan do better than Vinny did. Certainly hard to be worse...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 8:41 AM |
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allen and shanahan are the cerrato hangover remedy hopefully.

trade for orton ? sounds like a move vinny would make

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 8:47 AM

I think Allen and Shanny will draft players and acquire FA that fit the type of scheme the Skins run. Vinny had no plan to build a roster...that's the difference.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

wake me when Austin/Cook/Jarmon are getting reps....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Wow, you're gonna sleep for 7 months till Training Camp? Isn't that called hybernation?

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Like Alka-Shanallentzer?

Posted by: PlayAction | December 14, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Shanallepto Bismol

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

at this point, it makes no sense to me anyway, NOT to get them involved. This season has LONG been over, why not see if any of these guys can be part of the solution in 2011...on a side note, I've been asking for this to happen for about 4 or 5 weeks prior, because there was no way this team was going anywhere...find out if these guys can play in live games.....whats there to lose...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vic1 | December 14, 2010 8:28 AM |

Nice post Vic1. Good points and no shtick. Though I have to think "the midget" didn't enjoy the sight of all those empty seats last Sunday.

Posted by: mack1 | December 14, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Guys take a look at this Skins mock draft. Not sure if there is any chance we get a 2nd for Mc5...but its a well thought out draft. I would take it: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/542715-2011-nfl-mock-draft-how-will-shanahans-second-draft-pan-out-for-the-redskins

Posted by: roccoskins | December 14, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I thought Sally Jenkins wrote a decent column about the Redskins today. Maybe too easy on Shanahan, but overall pretty good. She's almost always better than Wise.

Plus Brownwood makes an excellent point above about the draft. The Redskins need to step it up with the quality of their picks.

So now we need an analysis of Shanahan as team-builder, going back through his seasons in Denver.

I am desperate for information, spin, or whatever sounding plausible and will make me feel optimistic about the next few years here.


Posted by: Pepper5 | December 14, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I agree, but 5 weeks ago we were technically still 'in it', but this should have been done after the Viking game.

Drastic changes have to be made on both fronts, I'd say there are only about a handle full of players on the whole team that are 'safe'. Clean house!!!

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

monk, we were never in anything, from the moment that training camp broke, this team wasn't going anywhere....getting to .500 NEXT YEAR will be a major accomplishment with this team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Don't worry -- the Skins will win the offseason Super Bowl like they do every year.

Posted by: nativedc | December 14, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

native, I hope they do go out and make waves in the FA market, if they brought in Logan Mankins, and Vincent Jackson, that would be a good first step....get that done, then draft another G in the 1st and a NT in the 2nd...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but beating Philly, GB and Chicago got my hopes up, too much Koolaid I think. Man I have a hangover.....

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Though I have to think "the midget" didn't enjoy the sight of all those empty seats last Sunday.

Posted by: mack1 | December 14, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if it really bothers him. According to some, every seat was sold -- if only to Stub Hub -- and so the only place where Danny may have lost some money would be in concession sales and self-respect.

Well, as for the concessions, I gotta figure it was the little man (and I don't mean Danny) who suffered most -- that is, those who actually make their livelihoods from selling stale beer and cold chicken baskets.

And as for the self-respect, I think we've already proven the Midget Megalomaniac is unabashedly thick-skinned and shameless.

So the only people who really lost any money here were those who actually bought season tickets and paid for the privilege of seeing the team play, and the word on the streets is that many are already declaring they won't be renewing their tickets, because they won't be fooled again.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 14, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

bummer

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 14, 2010 7:11 AM |

hey hess, still alive and well ? don't you worry, help is on the way big guy

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse


Why is hessone addressing iH8 as "hess"?

Looks like he got his sock-puppets confused.

Next time make sure you are posting from the right handles if you want to keep up the charade there buddy...

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Wow...look what just lit up my mailbox. And I thought nothing special would happen today.

Congratulations from the Washington Redskins! Your name has finally made it to the top of the Wait List and you have the opportunity to be among the first to purchase 2011 season tickets! The Redskins want YOU to join Head Coach Mike Shanahan and Quarterback Donovan McNabb for the 2011 season. Nothing beats the excitement of Redskins football action live at FedExField! Tickets start as low as $44 per game!*
Reserve your seats by December 30th, 2010 and receive free tickets to the Redskins vs. Giants game at FedExField on January 2, 2011!** Purchase 6 or more season tickets, and your complimentary seats will be upgraded to the club level!
To reserve your seats today, call the Redskins at 301-276-6033. Or to place your down payment of $100 per seat visit www.redskins.com/seasontickets. You will need the following account information:


I remember adding my name to the wait list years ago. Now that it's here...kinda feels like a "Steve Martin from THE JERK being proud of being listed in the phone book" moment.

Something doesn't seem right. I remember, with the projected wait time, I was suppossed to be approximately 75 years old when this e-mail arrived. Hmmm.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 14, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I think if we trade some our picks for some experienced veterans, we'll be poised to make a run next year...

Posted by: Scoonie97 | December 14, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I think if we trade some of our picks for some experienced veterans, we'll be poised to make a run next year...

Posted by: Scoonie97 | December 14, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

wake me when Austin/Cook/Jarmon are getting reps....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


Enjoy your coma.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 14, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Redskins are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention

By Jason Reid

I'm not believing it until the stat geek says it's so. This will really cost us a lot of WPA's. I think.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 6:26 AM
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We've been mathematically eliminated, but not theologically eliminated.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 14, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse


native, I hope they do go out and make waves in the FA market, if they brought in Logan Mankins, and Vincent Jackson, that would be a good first step....get that done, then draft another G in the 1st and a NT in the 2nd...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2010 9:20 AM |
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but greg, you're talking WIN NOW with these FA's. that would be more of the same. don't believe me, believe the last 10 years

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Don't worry -- the Skins will win the offseason Super Bowl like they do every year.

Posted by: nativedc
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We can't think of it in this way. We need more talent on this team. FA is a way to get talent. Draft is a way to get talent. But I can bet that this organization will not spend a boat load of money on someone thats on the decline of his career. Getting someone like Logan Mankins, Vincent Jackson, Tamba Hali, or something is not bad.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 14, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Good catch, pfunk...I knew there was something fishy about that dude. Turns out he's got split personalities and an RI handle for each of 'em...

Rocco, good stuff in the link...if the Skins were able to pull off that draft (and a 2nd and a 3rd for McNabb--HIGHLY unlikely but I'd take it), I'd be happier than a DB facing Brett Favre in the NFC title game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

hess, disagree, both players fill a NEED, both players step right into starting roles, and DRAMATICALLY improve their respective positions, OL/WR, and both players are under 30 years old. Will they help the team win NOW, sure, but they'll also be here for the prime of their careers...winner/winner

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm actually excited for these last few games if it means there will be a deliberate strategy to give other guys some run.

A couple things I'd like to see:

1) Kevin Barnes getting more action in the secondary - We know what Philip Buchanon has and we're going to let Rogers walk. We need to figure out if this cat can really play and where.

2) Lorenzo Alexander and Jeremy Jarmon at DE - Zo at OLB was an upgrade from Andre Carter, but he's not a solution there. Vonnie Holiday and Philip Daniels have no business playing another down this season, but between GOlston, Carriker, Jarmon and Zo, we might be able to patch together a decent 3-4 DE rotation.

3) Chris Wilson - With Zo moving to DE, let's take a look at Wilson playing OLB opposite Rak and figure out if we have a real LB or a career special teams player on our hands.

4) Ryan Torain - It would be nice to see him turn out a string of 100 yard games to end the season AND stay healthy doing it. If he can do that, then the "finds" of the season this year could be Banks and Torain.

5) Erik Cook - So he came up to the roster, but did he play last week? Interior linemen are probably our biggest need (along with NT) on this team. We need to know how deeply into the draft/FA we need to go to address it.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse


native, I hope they do go out and make waves in the FA market, if they brought in Logan Mankins, and Vincent Jackson, that would be a good first step....get that done, then draft another G in the 1st and a NT in the 2nd...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2010 9:20 AM |

draft first greg, then add the FA's needed to compliment our draft picks. adding FA's now will only be a waste of time and money

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Good catch, pfunk...I knew there was something fishy about that dude. Turns out he's got split personalities and an RI handle for each of 'em...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 9:34 AM

Well he's not one of our sock puppets...that's for sure.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 14, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"What's more, the whole AH92 saga has finally disabused the front office and fans of the notion that team can achieve success -- financially or competitively -- by over-paying for yet another over-the-hill free agent."

Good point, Vic1. Perhaps part of Shanny's strategy was less to teach Albert a lesson and more teach Snyder one.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 14, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

p1 cook was inactive...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

draft first greg, then add the FA's needed to compliment our draft picks. adding FA's now will only be a waste of time and money

hess, FAgency comes first on the calender, so how can you go about what you're suggesting?? Should the team WAIT till after the draft THAN start signing whats left over??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

you're talking WIN NOW with these FA's. that would be more of the same. don't believe me, believe the last 10 years

Posted by: hessone
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Picking up Logan Mankins is not "WIN NOW". He is a young, proven guard. Drafting Guards doesn't mean your gonna get a good player. I don't really think we need to spend money on Vincent Jackson when we can get a better player in Julio Jones in the draft. If we get a WR in FA we will get a Tall role player like Mike Sim Walker or Jacoby Jones. Both who could replace Santana.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 14, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse


Next time make sure you are posting from the right handles if you want to keep up the charade there buddy...

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2010 9:24 AM |
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ih8's last name is hess genius.


Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

draft first greg, then add the FA's needed to compliment our draft picks. adding FA's now will only be a waste of time and money

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 9:39 AM


In case you haven't noticed, the NFL calendar dictates that you hit FA first...the FA period starts a month and a half before the draft. Apply a little perspective to the FA thing...the act of using FA didn't tank the Skins, picking up the WRONG FAs is what did it. VJ and Mankins fit a need, fit the system, and they're under 30. I'm more about Mankins than VJ, simply because he seems to be more of a "can't miss" prospect than VJ is...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse


Good catch, pfunk...I knew there was something fishy about that dude. Turns out he's got split personalities and an RI handle for each of 'em...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 9:34 AM |
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gul·li·ble   /ˈgʌləbəl/
[guhl-uh-buhl]

–adjective
easily deceived or cheated.

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I'd be happier than a DB facing Brett Favre in the NFC title game...

Posted by: brownwood26
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LOL!!!!! Classic

Posted by: roccoskins | December 14, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Definition of dork

n. 1. a person who is stupid, socially inept, or ridiculous; - always used disparagingly.
2. the penis.

Related Words
jerk, misfit, schmo, schmuck, shmo, shmuck

Posted by: PlayAction | December 14, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I forgot who was up here talking about porking the singing chick from the Hyundai commercials, but I found out her name is Nataly Dawn. Do with that information what you will...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

when we can get a better player in Julio Jones in the draft. If we get a WR in FA we will get a Tall role player like Mike Sim Walker or Jacoby Jones. Both who could replace Santana.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 14, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse


JUSTIN BLACKMON!

MSM and Jacoby Jones have done themselves no favors this season in a contract year.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for handling my light work, PA...I made a resolution to put hess on the ITA list, but every time I get out he keeps pulling...me...back...in...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse


sign FA's off the bat, seen this movie before. why do folks think we need to sign FA's before the draft ?

WIN NOW, THAT'S WHY

there'll be FA's left to sign after the draft, besides, we're talking about a rebuild and not the same thing that's been on the menu.

look guys, if this team keeps repeating the same mistakes, we're never going to get better. sure I'd like to win asap, but if you're talking rebuild than start with the draft and worry about FA's after the draft or next year when we have a better idea of what kind of roster we have.

PATIENTS

instead folks are talking about the same way of doing business

WIN NOW

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton.

That is all.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

JUSTIN BLACKMON!

MSM and Jacoby Jones have done themselves no favors this season in a contract year.

Posted by: p1funk |
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No. I don't like Justin Blackmon. I think he has red flags all over him. On and off the field. Julio Jones is a great talent, a great leader, and you don't have to worry about him off the field.

MSW and Jacoby can be had at a cheap rate. They don't have to be the best, but they are an upgrade from Roydell Williams. I still think they will give Malcolm Kelly a chance to be a 2nd WR next to Julio. Anothny Armstrong is the deep threat. And Jacoby and MSW can score in the red zoen. We need guys like that. Plus Jacoby can return kicks sometimes, which can allow us to put Banks on Offense more.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 14, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

So with Denver going through another transition, I'm wondering if there are any Shanny guys that could be gleaned.

Ryan Harris was drafted by Shanny in 2007 in the 3rd round. He's a FA this offseason.

He played RG under Shanny and moved over to RT under McDaniels.

He was a 16 game starter in 2008, but missed alot of 2009 with a toe injury. He's come back this season and played well and has helped Moreno have a strong end of the year in the run game.

At 25 years old and groomed in SHanny's zone-block, I say we make a run at this guy.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Ugh...hess is about two seconds from one of his patented "$nyder" rants...time to ITA...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

"there'll be FA's left to sign after the draft"

none of which will have any impact...so there you go...you can have it both ways you know hess....they can sign guys in FA, who will HELP the team, and they can also draft guys to help the team...its not an either or situation....

ah forget it...what am I doing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

At 25 years old and groomed in SHanny's zone-block, I say we make a run at this guy.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2010 10:06 AM


Agreed. Although, the simple fact that he's a FA pickup and not a draft pick means he'll be an epic bust according to Hess...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

No. I don't like Justin Blackmon. I think he has red flags all over him. On and off the field. Julio Jones is a great talent, a great leader, and you don't have to worry about him off the field.

Posted by: roccoskins | December 14, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse


If DUIs concern you, then I hope you are taking a wide arc around Vincent Jackson who has Justin Blacmon beat in that area.

As far as "on the field" red flags, I'm not sure WTH you are talking about.

102 receptions - 2nd in nation
150 yards/game - first in nation
18TDs - first in nation

Needs 8 yards receiving in the Alamo Bowl to break Larry Fitzgerald's NCAA record for sophmore receiving yards in a year.

He's produced like this through an ankle injury and even missing a game through suspension.

Dude is a flat beast, and his production puts Julio Jones to shame. And how do you know you don't have to worry about Julio off the field? Do you hang with him or something?

GIve me a playmaker...you don't draft rookie WRs for "leadership".

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

PATIENTS


Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Correct me if I'm wrong Sandy, but I think we had enough payers get injured this year. Why do we need more patients?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 14, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

At 25 years old and groomed in SHanny's zone-block, I say we make a run at this guy.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I'm on board but only of we play him at G he's suspect at T.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 14, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Good catch, pfunk...I knew there was something fishy about that dude. Turns out he's got split personalities and an RI handle for each of 'em...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 9:34 AM

Well he's not one of our sock puppets...that's for sure.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 14, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Hey monk, can you believe that idiot hess messed up and said the wrong name? What a moron!!!

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Good catch, pfunk...I knew there was something fishy about that dude. Turns out he's got split personalities and an RI handle for each of 'em...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 9:34 AM

Well he's not one of our sock puppets...that's for sure.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 14, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Hey monk, can you believe that idiot hess messed up and said the wrong name? What a moron!!!

Posted by: monk811 | December 14, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Guys take a look at this Skins mock draft. Not sure if there is any chance we get a 2nd for Mc5...but its a well thought out draft. I would take it: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/542715-2011-nfl-mock-draft-how-will-shanahans-second-draft-pan-out-for-the-redskins

Posted by: roccoskins | December 14, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Rocco - definitely agree and I like this draft. Only revisions I would make are to somehow draft a speed RB (maybe we can add in FA since I wouldn't want to ignore more pressing needs). Also would take a pass-rushing outside LB sooner than the 7th to complement Orakpo. Pressure from both sides is essential.

Posted by: quinn3 | December 14, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Redskins are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention
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They don't deserve to be in the play offs the way they are playing to begin with.

Posted by: greenstheman | December 14, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Shocking... simply shocking.

Posted by: Redskinrex | December 14, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Is this one of those "Ok I am writing this because they are holding my paycheck hostage" column.

Posted by: sameerhanda | December 14, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins should just move to Los Angeles and leave us the F*UCK alone! I hate Daniel Snyder and FedEx Field. Go to hell, Snyder!

Posted by: djdavew2002 | December 14, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Not very confident in Shanny's abilities as an evaluator. It took dude 10 weeks to conclude that Galloway was no longer a starting WR.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 14, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Are people doubting that the Redskins are eliminated? No tiebreakers are involved. They cannot be better than third place in the division as both the Eagles and Giants are four games ahead of them with three to go. Whichever of the Eagles and Giants does not win the division will have a better record than the Skins, as will whichever of New Orleans and Atlanta does not win that division. So two wildcards are in front of the Skins. End of story.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | December 14, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

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