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Redskins by Position: Defensive Tackles

A Redskins defensive tackle has not put up a stellar season since Cornelius Griffin in 2004 (how he missed the Pro Bowl that season tells you all you need to know about what a joke that process is). But he hasn't been healthy much since, and although the Skins put up sound overall numbers stopping the run, they got gashed far too often down the stretch, particularly in the fourth quarter.

Griffin could be a casualty as the team gets younger and sheds some salary. To expect him to come back and start every week, after another bout of injuries, may be too much, and he's probably best in a rotation at this point. No one juggles his linemen better than Greg Blache, but he's got a lot of worker bees here and not too much more.

Anthony Montgomery is the closest thing the Redskins have to a physical specimen at this point, but he isn't a true two-gap run stuffer and doesn't present the kind of match-up problems you'd like. The nose tackles in Blache's system are made to take on an awful lot, yet all the team has invested the past five years are one free-agent signing (Griffin, five years ago) and two late-round picks (Montgomery - fifth round - and Kedric Golston - sixth round - in 2006).

Golston had a few superb games, but he is a classic overachiever, getting every ounce from his frame and natural ability. He's in that Brandon Noble mold, and you need to have those guys, for sure. They are heart and soul and give everything for the team. You just can't have an entire rotation full of them. There is no one in the mold of the Wall of Williams in Minnesota, Grady Jackson, Dockett, Rodgers, Ngata, Hampton, or even some of the more athletic nose tackle/leverage guys like a Ratliff or Kelly Gregg.

It's become pretty clear that an upgrade in talent is necessary. The only guy who could really shoot the gap and collapse the pocket some was end Demtric Evans playing inside alongside tackle Lorenzo Alexander. Alexander continues to shine in a limited role, but, again, is not someone who is imposing physically. And, with London Fletcher not getting younger at middle linebacker, you'd think the Skins would put a little more beef in front of him.

The Tennessee Titans' Albert Haynesworth will be one of the hottest free agents should the Titans be unable to re-sign him. This is a guy who makes a living beating double teams (or triple teams). He is a beast. Would there be some concerns perhaps about him packing on the pounds and getting a little lazy with a fat new contract? Perhaps, but, again, Blache rotates guys with abandon and could keep the guy fresh. Haynesworth would prevent passers from easily stepping up into throws and be a player opponents would have to scheme for, avoiding the interior of your defense in favor of the perimeter most weeks. Well, that would certainly be something new for Redskins fans to enjoy.

I would expect the Skins to at least explore getting Haynesworth. And defensive tackle is a position worth addressing in the draft over the next few years as well. It may take draftees time to develop, but adding a few more specimens to the mix seems like a good idea, even if you have to pass on a wide receiver or two (or three).

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 6, 2009; 10:10 AM ET
Categories:  Redskins by Position  
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Comments

To me, this seems like the position to address FIRST in the draft.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Peria Jerry

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Defensive End is a bigger need than DT at this moment

Posted by: slipperyrichard | January 6, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

http://www.eitmonline.com/live.html

cooleys last interview of the season...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

What about the o line, Sween? (I probably agree, since you can find quality o linemen a little later...)

Posted by: Cindy Boren | January 6, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

But I definitely think that DT play in Blache's system is huge. I just don't think A Mont. and Golston have peaked yet.

Posted by: slipperyrichard | January 6, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

why do you need lineman, we need to bulk up on receivers so we have people to throw the ball to. we need more aerial game than trenches, everyone knows that!

Posted by: dadanimal | January 6, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Beastly lineman make me happy. I love a team that pounds the run on offense, and pounds opposing rushers into the ground on defense. I'll take a mean, gritty, team identity anyday.

Posted by: ecale25 | January 6, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

You can never have enough Tight Ends on your roster. Everyone knows this.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

The Tennessee Titans' Albert Haynesworth will be one of the hottest free agents should the Titans be unable to re-sign him. This is a guy who makes a living beating double teams (or triple teams). He is a beast. Would there be some concerns perhaps about him packing on the pounds and getting a little lazy with a fat new contract?

Yeah I am sure you will flip and blast the team for this just like you did with JT.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | January 6, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

B J Raji is a nice prospect as well.

Posted by: TWISI | January 6, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

It may take draftees time to develop, but adding a few more specimens to the mix seems like a good idea,

Yeah and you will flip on this as well. Saying they are a bust since they didn't produce the first year like you have this year.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | January 6, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Yep, overacheiving talent on DT, underachieving talent at DE

DT's make DE's better, never the other way around...

top team need is OL and DT... one from the draft one from FA, then go from there...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

dc, Jerry seems like a smaller version of Griff to me. Short, and probably at the upper end of how much weight he's gonna be able to carry and still be effective, just my .02.....(bring in Chris Canty)

This team needs a glass eater, guy who can stack up at the point, and hold up 2-3 guys. I'm wary of Haynesworth, that just has caution flags all over it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I am iffyyy on Haynesworth. The guy could be a classic Redskins FA bust and break our hearts with lack of competitiveness & production and to me, that would hurt more than drafting a young DT in the early rounds and hoping he gets on the field, soon. I like Monty & Golston but I realize that they alone will not get it done.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

i think you cut Griff and draft a DE and a DT. Draft another tackle and Center. and pick up a DT and DE in FA agency.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 6, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Here is what should be out DL next year

Starter - Backup

Evans - Daniels
FA/Draft DT - Griff
Monty - Golston
Taylor - Wilson

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I have to agree on DT being more important in this defense then DE, the DE's in this scheme do not go after the passer like other places.

You need a big nasty DT to take on double teams and collapse the pocket this will open things up for the DE's. Actually 2 DT's would be better.

I don't think just because we had a problem with a DT coming here in FA's and not working out means we should never try it again.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Or if you cut Griff then Alexander behind the newbie...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Exactly flound, dont shy away, just do it better this time

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

This makes trading back that much more imperative in my mind....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

if I were the GM I would look to get a bunch of young FAs to fill as many holes that I can freeing up your draft to be boxed in as little as possible. Grab a FA at OT and OG as well as a young DE OLB and DT if we can find them, than use the limited draft picks to grab some better talent like Gibbs used to where he would get the best guy he could find and not be freaked by holes.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

A great DT would immediately boost the Skins DE situation. Right now, the DEs line up in a tight formation, and as such, have to take poor rushing angles when rushing the passer. The offensive linemen are either able to run Taylor/Carter pass the QB way too easily or able to stifle them if they try to move inside due to having an easier time getting their hands on the DEs (because they're lined up closer than normal).

A dominant DT fixes that. Getting push in the pocket would not allow the QB to step up when Taylor/Carter are attempted to be run past, and a dominant DT would also allow the DEs to line up farther outside.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Here is what should be out DL next year

Starter - Backup

Evans - Daniels
FA/Draft DT - Griff
Monty - Golston
Taylor - Wilson

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:44 AM |

Where is Carter you are going to pay him all that money to sit the bench.

Why the he!! would you want taylor back, so we can pay him 2mil per sack next year as well.

Paying Griff the money he is making to be a backup is not very smart if you cut him it frees up a lot of cap space.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

No to Haynesworth....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a big Plash guy, but this defense is too solid overall to skimp on the right answer to the front four pressure question. If Mr. Blache believes that Mr. Haynesworth is the answer, then let's git'er done.

Posted by: daggar | January 6, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Here is what should be out DL next year

Starter - Backup

Evans - Daniels
FA/Draft DT - Griff
Monty - Golston
Taylor - Wilson

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Ummm..Where's Andre Carter at? He's going to be here for another year.

Umm..

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Alex,

I have no trouble going after young FA's, as I am in the rebuild mode. There are plenty of young guys out there, they may not be dominant yet but they are good players.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

i think you cut Griff and draft a DE and a DT. Draft another tackle and Center. and pick up a DT and DE in FA agency.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 6, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

And just totally ignore the OL in the draft? Vinnie would be proud

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Blache already said he wants him back, so whether it is at the same salary or less, he is back, so they take the hit on carter...

mark it down flound

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I have no trouble going after young FA's, as I am in the rebuild mode. There are plenty of young guys out there, they may not be dominant yet but they are good players.

Posted by: Flounder21

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who do you have in mind?

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

And griff is questionable to be cut, we keep older guys who are good team leaders, or havent you all noticed that?

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

REDSKINS INSIDER POWER RANKINGS

Posted by: longtimelurker | January 6, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

ga, great one said CENTER and GUARD... oline

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Carter is back too. He was the most effective D-lineman we had this year. Led all linemen in tackles, tackles for loss, and sacks. And he was one of two linemen that was able to stay healthy all year long (which should not be overlooked).

No shot Carter goes.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

sorry, tackle and center means Oline, i think

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

REDSKINS INSIDER POWER RANKINGS
by Longtime Lurker, First Time Poster

I've been reading this blog all season and I'm ready to give an honest ranking of "the regulars" based on the quality of the jibba-jabba they offer. No one knows any football up here, but the jibba-jabba is all over the place. There's a lot of brilliant posters plus several angry nut jobs. I can't rank everyone because, well, there's just a bunch of folks who keep posting and I have no impression of what they're about.

4 TCCLs: Always worth reading. When any of these guys post I'll read every word. They're good writers and offer wit and a clever, insightful perspective on anything they write about. These are the ones I come here for.

cindyboren - wow, what style and grace. She could do this for a living.
curzon417 - always relaxed
daggar - most original, out of the box thinker here
dcsween - consistently best writer with fresh takes on everything
freakzilla - funny guy
johndinhoutson - gentle soft touch shows up at just the right moment
learnedhand1 - always on target, always insightful
PDiddy - we're not worthy
Redcoat - a bit full of himself, but nimble and quick, like Jack over the candlestick
SMACK - wish I could write one post as good as his worst post
suzannepdc - focuses on what's real, ignores what's not
TheCork - ignore the substance, enjoy the style
zcezcest11 - takes the whole thing with the right spirit

3 TCCLs. Usually worth reading. These guys often have good insight and express it well, but don't bring it all the time.

_stumped_1 - usually good for a laugh
BeantownGreg - always in a fight with someone
Chrislarry - always looking for a fight
ifthethunderdontgetya ~ brilliant use of ~
kost52 - good, upside down perspective on stuff
Lisa_R - persnickety, but reports things the rest of us missed
nateinthePDX - thinks he owns the place
sicwidit - solid contributor, good twist on everything

2 TCCLs. Sometimes worth reading. Every now and then there's something clever in these guys' posts.

4thFloor
alex35332
brownwood26
dealer
JM220
scottcampbell
talent_evaluator
TheTruth11

1 TCCL. These are all the people who don't appear in one of the other four groups. If you don't see your name elsewhere, it belongs here. Except I can't remember who you are and there are so many, I can't list them all.

0 TCCLs. This group, plus a lot of others who only show up on game days, would make the blog a better place if they'd just leave and go post on Wizards Insider, Crowd Noise, or that Steinbog thing. He needs them, and we don't. If they posted there, instead of here, they'd simultaneously make both blogs better. They're variously obtuse, full of themselves, hateful, spiteful, obsessively negative, truculent, or just plain bent, and it characterizes too many of their posts.

austin987654
barno
Daggarforracialjustice
JasonLaTempleton
jaicinto
lsskinsfan
MrRedskin21
periculum
poolman
rachel216
RedDMV
sportsguru
vegasskinsfan
zjfr2

Posted by: longtimelurker | January 6, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Alex,

I have no trouble going after young FA's, as I am in the rebuild mode. There are plenty of young guys out there, they may not be dominant yet but they are good players.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Thats my thinking. There are going to be guys that come off team rosters that we should just look at them and get them a shot. Guys who can provide more quality depth than an Erasmus James or a Blades, I would not mind having a vet come in at the minimum as a no 4 OLB or something like we have had in the past.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I hope you are right PSPS, but just think about our team, dumb moves and the fact they want JT back... i did cringe when blache said that... i am just being realistic today

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I believe DT is THE biggest need on defense. Without a gap-stuffing DT or two, you get run on in crunch time, goal line efforts are next to impossible to stop, and most importantly, you don't collapse a pocket to prevent QBs from stepping up to avoid oncoming blitzers and DEs.

Don't only blame Taylor and Carter for their lack of production. When Griffin and Montgomery are less than 100%, we do not create the type of pressure up the middle to cause opposing offenses to be rattled by our feeble attempts at creating pressure.

Posted by: mdeep75 | January 6, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Zeebs,

That cooley interview is so great.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Blache already said he wants him back, so whether it is at the same salary or less, he is back, so they take the hit on carter...

mark it down flound

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:55 AM |

Blache can say that but does not make that decision, he could have also said it because there is no need to bash a future hall of famer.

Cutting Taylor means no cap hit at all, cutting Carter is a huge cap hit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

dt is of higher importance to get because they're the ones who get the ends their sacks. if you think about how the d looked this year, you'd see carter or taylor start to beat their man on the outside but all the qb had to do was step back into the pocket where the dts were getting manhandled and it gave him time to throw.
hayneworth needs to get a good long look from this team but the 13th pick should focus on this position. not sexy but makes the des look sexy

Posted by: MondoTE11 | January 6, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

can't believe I'm 3 tccl's....thats just crap....if corky is 4, then I'm 11-teen at least.....

Carter wont be cut...not a chance....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

There's a decent free agent to be DT in Seattle, name Rocky Bernard I believe. Skins might be able to sign him without breaking the bank. At this point, I think you almost have to go after a quality DT in free agency, cause OLine has to be the priority in the 1st round.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

At least I'm not a 0 TCCLs. Color me satisfied.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

There is no problem bringing some of the vets back who could contribute next year like Griff and Taylor, just not at the price tag they currently got. Most likely that means we will be cutting ties. It's not worth arguing over the pros/cons of Haynesworth yet either. Tenne has a couple month window to get him resigned. He'd improve the team but is he the tipping point to make us a legit contender. Probably not.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | January 6, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I think we should do something new, we should draft two 3-4 nose tackles and put them in our rotation. before everyone tells me how stupid this is hear me out, if we draft two big run stopping dT's basically made for a 3-4 system then monty and golston would be fresh to collapse the pocket on passing downs and be a lot fresher. I think one DT in the early round maybe the 1st or 3rd and then a late round DT. I know the glaring need is DE but if you have two stud DT's that also helps you pass rush, with the remaining picks you can draft two DE's and pick up a two o-lineman in free angency and the supplamental draft.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 6, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't Haynesworth play NT in a 3-4? Is that a smooth transition to 4-3?

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 6, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I cant believe i didnt even make the list for tccl's aint that a

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 6, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Here are just a few PSP, not any big names but solid players. They are all under the age of 28.

DT Gabe Watson UFA 3 6-4/340 Michigan Arizona

OLB Michael Boley UFA 4 6-3/223 Southern Miss Atlanta

DE Chris Canty UFA 4 6-7/300 Virginia Dallas

DE Dwan Edwards UFA 5 6-3/315 Oregon State Baltimore

OT Khalif Barnes UFA 4 6-5/325 Washington Jacksonville

OT Charles Spencer RFA 3 6-4/337 Pittsburgh Jacksonville

OG Elton Brown UFA 4 6-5/340 Virginia Arizona

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Ok here is what I would suggest we do. Free up about 20 million of cap space and 13-14 position spots then toss 10 million and 5-6 spots to Morocco Brown and say. Fill them as you see fit if you can.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

haynesworth plays in 4-3 and please dont take haynesworth, he is like 27 or 28 and probably would only give us 1 good year before his body would break down and not be worth the contract.

Draft two 3-4 style DT's

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 6, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't Haynesworth play NT in a 3-4? Is that a smooth transition to 4-3?

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 6, 2009 11:17 AM |

No the Titans run a base 4-3.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Draft two 3-4 style DT's

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 6, 2009 11:20 AM |

What about OL we need a few of them as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

i can't believe i'm 2 tccl's if greg's 3!!! wtf!! longtimelurker, you, sir are a racist!

btw i agree with the 4's except cork. he's too long but doesn't provide the bang with his body (of text). curzon is a beast! i wonder what his 60 is (words per 60 seconds).

greg, sit down and brace yourself for this news: lions scored more points than the skins this year. cindy, could you please send an ambulance to greg's workplace please.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

you did GO, anyone not named was a 1 because you were not annoying enough or relevant enough to be on the S list of 0...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

dealer,

My daughters Softball team scored more points then the Skins did this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Flound, of that list, I'd take Canty, and Spencer, but not many of the others.

Watson was at the combine, and one of the DL coach's for I think AZ was there, and he does this thing where he pushes the player around during a drill to 'test their mettle' and Watson basically turtled..

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"i can't believe i'm 2 tccl's if greg's 3!!! wtf!! longtimelurker, you, sir are a racist!"

Are you kidding me?? Were you being serious??

First - You're a lions fan...POSING as a Redskins fan.....operative word, "POSING"

Everything else is just buttah....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

i've only seen tim teabow(sp) play once and i really liked the way he plays. what are his prospects for the nfl? knowing that the running qb's don't do well up here. he's got a decent arm, from what i saw and his leadership skills are unmatched.

and i don't know why jasno's city (balmer) is going all nuts about flacco. to me he's the second coming of trent dilfer not the other joe. matt ryan however looks like the real deal of all the young qb's. i'm still not sold on rivers.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure about the gashing comment. I mean the line was much worse off when Griffin, Montgomery, Golston, Taylor, Fletcher, and Washington were all injured during the third set of games. Dallas and Seattle both had 100 yd rushers during that time. The Giants (in the 1st game) were the only other team to gain more than 100 yds on the defense. The Skins held Westbrook to less than 40 yds in both games.

Hardly sounds like the 8th best rushing defense got gashed by the run. It was the passing defense and a lack of pass rush that broke down the defense at the end of games.

Posted by: siris | January 6, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Here's who I'd go after in FA on the OL hopefully getting 2-3 of them.

Jason Browm G/C Baltimore
Vernon Carey T/G Miami
Kalif Barnes T Jacksonville
Matt Stinchcomb T New Orleans

(Side note, If Robert Gallery is jettisoned by the Raiders because they have to sign Ashoumonga (sp) I'd go after him for the G spot).

Posted by: TWISI | January 6, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

BTW I have no problem with longtimelurker list. I think it is balanced and even fair.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"0 TCCLs. This group, plus a lot of others who only show up on game days, would make the blog a better place if they'd just leave and go post on Wizards Insider, Crowd Noise, or that Steinbog thing. He needs them, and we don't. If they posted there, instead of here, they'd simultaneously make both blogs better. They're variously obtuse, full of themselves, hateful, spiteful, obsessively negative, truculent, or just plain bent, and it characterizes too many of their posts.

austin987654
barno
Daggarforracialjustice
JasonLaTempleton
jaicinto
lsskinsfan
MrRedskin21
periculum
poolman
rachel216
RedDMV
sportsguru
vegasskinsfan
zjfr2"


should've just said "Now I'll list some idiots"

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

He has pretty good stats nothing major, but he is huge and could clog the middle.

But Canty would be a good pickup, and I think Spencer could start at RT.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

greg, calm down greg! you clam chowda!!! if it pi$$es you off that i was being serious then i was dead serious. never been more serious in my life! ;) cindy, hurry!!!! we're losing him.

greg, i hate smileys...it sorta ruins the whole "joke"...i just hope you guys "know" me well enough for having read me for the past 3 years that i wouldn't need to...

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Hardly sounds like the 8th best rushing defense got gashed by the run. It was the passing defense and a lack of pass rush that broke down the defense at the end of games.

Posted by: siris | January 6, 2009 11:30 AM |

There were a few games where we could not stop the run in the fourth quarter, to give the offense a chance to win the game that is what he is referring to.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

deal, don't you have a lions blog to go to or something?? Perhaps a petition to sign bringing back Barry Sanders or something....

twisi, I'd take those top 2 guys in a second...plus carey is a "U" guy isn't he??

They played the 2003 Fiesta Bowl on ESPN Classic last night. Kinda sad seeing ST out there....Rocky was on that squad too...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Dealer,

How can you not be sold on Rivers the dude is a very good player look at his stats for this year.

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2004 SDG 2 5 8 62.5 33 4.1 1 13 0 110.9
2005 SDG 2 12 22 54.5 115 5.2 0 22 1 50.4
2006 SDG 16 284 460 61.7 3388 7.4 22 57 9 92.0
2007 SDG 16 277 460 60.2 3152 6.9 21 49 15 82.4
2008 SDG 16 312 478 65.3 4009 8.4 34 67 11 105.5
Career 52 890 1428 62.3 10697 7.5 78 67 36 92.9

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Kalif Barnes sucks. Vernon Carey is intriguing. And Long time lurker has WAY too much time on his hands to be that detailed. LOL

Posted by: ga8085 | January 6, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Now I challenge anyone to do a Blogger rating system ah la madden skills or something like that.
Rate people on things like;(am rating myself but by no means is that fair doing it out of 100 except the last one)

Blog Awareness, response to other posts- 77
Hater Flame Blogwar Power- 38
Insight on team (% players do you think you can name from the roster)- 81
Armchair GMing skills (think of vinny as a 50)- 72
Armchair QB skills- 21
Armchair coach skills- 45
Jib Jab Skills- 90
Frequency of Posts per day- 16

Overall rating- 60

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I agree that we need an impact player at DT but don't know if I would use our 1st round pick on one. If we had a GM, I would like to think he would take a look at a younger guy like Dre Moore. Tampa drafted him in the 4th round last year out of UMD, then cut him in the last round of cuts, and he has been on their practice squad all year. If I remember correctly, he is a big body (6'4" 305 lbs) and was pretty athletic. It wouldn't cost us much to sign him to the active roster and even if he didn't pan out we wouldn't be using a draft pick or a huge amount of money to get him.

Posted by: rbruce2 | January 6, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I know we need a big NT type of guy on the DLine to collapse the pocket from the front but it would have helped to have a Lance Briggs-type OLB to help at the line of scrimmage, the perimeter to be exact during those games in which our 4th quarter run D got 'gashed'. Not saying we have to draft a LB with #13 (that should be an OT). Just saying I don't think Marcus Washington is the answer nor will he be back next season.

I like Canty for the Line. If we can get him, that would be huge.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I agree with those that think a "glass eating" DT would be a huge addition to the defense. The problem is that at the level of DT that we need they are rare. That is why it is worth a shot to get Haynesworth.
I have no idea of what the cost would be against our cap and if acquiring him would break our budget for other needed FAs.

A second way of looking at this is to plan on a two or three year comeback to elite ranks. If that is the case, forget Haynesworth because he will not be that great in two or three more seasons.

We are at fork in road now. The roster of FAs and draft picks that we look at should be completely determined by whether management considers us to be one, two or three years away from contending. Until we get a clear signal from the FO on this then all the speculation on new players may be totally misdirected.

The best piece of reporting that a WAPO writer could do now is to get that answer from Vinnie--how long do you think it will be till we are going to be a contending team again?

Posted by: driley | January 6, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

DOes anyone know what happened to this dude Marcus Dixon (I think) JLC was salivating for during last year's draft? He was a FA pick up by the cowgrilz.

Posted by: TWISI | January 6, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The best piece of reporting that a WAPO writer could do now is to get that answer from Vinnie--how long do you think it will be till we are going to be a contending team again?

Posted by: driley | January 6, 2009 11:53 AM |

Driley,

I'm in the total rebuild mode 3-4 year plan.

Vinny is going to tell anyone we are very close to a SB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

The Skins will probably keep only four defensive tackles next year; plus they may not have Evans or Daniels to play DT on the passing downs. Griffin is an aging player who has been injured and mostly ineffective the last two years. Montgomery was very solid against the run and Golston can penetrate the line (when healthy). Alexander is a versatile backup and special team player. They should keep Boschetti on speed dial again...

The Skins can save about 4 million next year by cutting Griffin. I would use that money to sign a veteran free agent DT that can collapse the pocket and play all three downs. Haynesworth is the best DT available in that mold. Who else would be available if he decides to sign somewhere else?

Montgomery and Golston (if he can recover from the bone spurs) are both restricted free agents who should be tendered.

The Skins should not use a draft pick on a DT, unless they decide to keep Griffin (and five DTs) or not resign Golston...

Posted by: siris | January 6, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I am for a 2 year plan I think they started the 3 year plan last off season so lets give it another year or two to see if this one will work.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

There's no DT worth the 13th pick in the 2009 draft. This year's class has a lot of top-end O-Tackles, though, so that's where the skins should try to get value for their 13th pick. If they really want to go with a DT, they should trade back.

I think the play should be to get Haynesworth if possible and then go O-line with the first two draft picks (Rounds 1 and 3).

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 6, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Flounder,

The wise choice and the one that would have the best chance of turning the franchise around would be a 3 or 4 year plan for rebuilding. Of course that means you do NOT sign 30 year old FAs now. Vinnie will tip his hand depending on which FAs that he signs and how many of the older players he retains.

Posted by: driley | January 6, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Longtimelurker,

I just clicked report abuse for your RI Rankings. I'm pretty sure cyber-stalking is a form of abuse.

And yes, I am a little miffed that I only got 2 TCCLs...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

up to this point I was unaware that Carey was a 1st round pick. I'd want him to lose 10-15 pounds to about 335, make him the RT. I'd also like to take a run at Brown the C/G from Bamore.....

what is the cap hit from Rabach...anyone know...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The time it will take to rebuild depends on 3 things:

(1) Development of Jim Zorn

(2) Development of Jason Campbell

(3) Effectiveness of Cerrato's drafts, starting with last years

(4) How long Blache will end up staying

If Zorn and Campbell both take big steps forward next season, this team is a playoff contender next season and beyond. If Cerrato's drafts actually end up panning out -- if Thomas/Kelly become consistent or significant contributors, Rinehart becomes a starting quality lineman, if he can get 1-2 starters along the lines out of this upcoming draft, and a few quality depth guys -- this team becomes a Super Bowl contender in 2 years. I honestly believe that.

However, those are three MAJOR items that need to happen. And the chances of them all happening aren't great. If not, then yes, we will be looking at an average team for another 3-4 years.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

agreed lm, on the lack of top end DT's...DE's as well.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

psp, agreed. you could also put in there, "if Buges puts the kids on the line, and stops trotting out Jansen at RT"...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

DOes anyone know what happened to this dude Marcus Dixon (I think) JLC was salivating for during last year's draft? He was a FA pick up by the cowgrilz.

Posted by: TWISI | January 6, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

He's on the Cowboys' practice squad. Yet again, another young player our GM should take a look at...if we had one.

Posted by: rbruce2 | January 6, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Vincento needs to adapt his "BPA" draft strategy to "BPA" at OT,DT,DE if he stays at #13. With so many needs on both lines this would be prudent. I dont see an OG or C being worthy of #13 overall.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 6, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Damn a man takes a couple of days off and comes back to read some idiot post his favorite bloggers - Awww how f'n sweet...

TheTruth11 = longtimelurker

LOL!

Anyways...

A single tear now rolls down my cheek because I didn't get the apporval rating of some assclown who wasn't man or woman enough to actually put a real-fake name with their comment. 'longtimelurker' could be any one of the frequent bloggers, I believe, hell I KNOW!

Oh please tell me 'longtimelurker', what could I do to get back in your good graces? Sacrifice a goat? Give blood? Join the peace corps?

I don't claim to be the most knowledgable person on this damn blog, but I do have something of value to add when I'm not airing TheTruth11 out or debating who's more of the "convo reg" with others. You on the other hand come with this BS and for exactly what? To gain some friends? On a blog - people that you'll more than likely never meet?

What a lonely and straight up useless person you must be. You MUST be the TheTruth's long lost twin or something. I can read between the hash marks, and from your post, you like TheTruth, come off as needy, insecure, pathetic, turd bags, who need reassurance constantly. More than likely you, like TheTruth, have very little friends and NEED this blog for a sense of belonging.

This ain't American Idol or some other lame ass talent show. You don't need talent to blog on RI and with your teenie bopper like post you've confirmed this fact.

Go find a hobby. Although there are some admirable people on the blog (I persume), there are many more publicly acclaimed individuals that you can go "root" for.

What a total jackass you are.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I love how JLC laughs at Vinny but then champions free agency. Winning teams draft, don't sign, JLC.

Posted by: Gfunk | January 6, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The New York Jets will interview Cardinals offensive line coach Russ Grimm on Thursday in Arizona.

Damn- can we have Grimm? Let's give the Jets Zorn, and throw in Jansen as well- for Grimm.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 6, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV,

I got no mention either, maybe that is a good thing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Damn a man takes a couple of days off and comes back to read some idiot post his favorite bloggers - Awww how f'n sweet...

TheTruth11 = longtimelurker

LOL!

Anyways...

A single tear now rolls down my cheek because I didn't get the apporval rating of some assclown who wasn't man or woman enough to actually put a real-fake name with their comment. 'longtimelurker' could be any one of the frequent bloggers, I believe, hell I KNOW!

Oh please tell me 'longtimelurker', what could I do to get back in your good graces? Sacrifice a goat? Give blood? Join the peace corps?

I don't claim to be the most knowledgable person on this damn blog, but I do have something of value to add when I'm not airing TheTruth11 out or debating who's more of the "convo reg" with others. You on the other hand come with this BS and for exactly what? To gain some friends? On a blog - people that you'll more than likely never meet?

What a lonely and straight up useless person you must be. You MUST be the TheTruth's long lost twin or something. I can read between the hash marks, and from your post, you like TheTruth, come off as needy, insecure, pathetic, turd bags, who need reassurance constantly. More than likely you, like TheTruth, have very little friends and NEED this blog for a sense of belonging.

This ain't American Idol or some other lame ass talent show. You don't need talent to blog on RI and with your teenie bopper like post you've confirmed this fact.

Go find a hobby. Although there are some admirable people on the blog (I persume), there are many more publicly acclaimed individuals that you can go "root" for.

What a total jackass you are.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Winning teams draft, don't sign, JLC.

Posted by: Gfunk

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Winning teams do both.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Gfunk,

Winning teams do both they just do it better. There is nothing wrong with FA's if done right, meaning you don't go out and sign every FA to a high salary. You also can't go after names you have to get guys that can play in your system.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

This ain't American Idol or some other lame ass talent show. You don't need talent to blog on RI and with your teenie bopper like post you've confirmed this fact.

Go find a hobby. Although there are some admirable people on the blog (I persume), there are many more publicly acclaimed individuals that you can go "root" for.


Posted by: RedDMV ++++

I'm afraid you just gave the little squirrel, the nut he/she was looking for.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 6, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

longtimelurker,

"obtuse, full of themselves, hateful, spiteful, obsessively negative, truculent, or just plain bent..."

Did my 12:18 cover all of this? By the way, clown, I post on here every other day EXCEPT game day (every now and then I may post on game day). Most of the time I'm out at the bar having a drink with some friends or at my house watching - you know - living a LIFE!

Get one.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

How about looking at Lorenzo Alexander as an eventual replacement to either Kendall/Thomas? He seems to have the kind of attitude you need in the trenches - recall a couple yrs back in his rookie season, he sacked the QB after losing his hat in a preseason game. His excellent pass coverage skills nothwithstanding, I think he might be better suited to interior lineman on offense.

As for draft - I'd trade out of the 13, add a 2nd and 3rd rounder...in 2nd round I'd take BJ Raji and in the 3rd, the best available OT. If Raji's gone, a punter fullback or WR would seem to make sense.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

From PFT,

CAN TUNA, ROSS COEXIST?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 6, 2009, 11:29 a.m. EST
Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald takes a compelling look at the behind-the-scenes relationships that could cause Bill Parcells’ tenure with the Dolphins to be a short one.

Though current owner Wayne Huizenga has said that he believes Parcells won’t exercise a contractual right to walk away from his deal — and receive the full balance of the money due to him over the next three years — when Huizenga relinquishes control to Stephen Ross, the only thing clear is that nothing will be clear until Parcells’ 3o-day window to walk away opens.

The sale, per Salguero, is expected to be finalized next week. Once pen hits paper, all bets are off as to what Parcells will do.

Salguero reports that Ross said on Sunday that his “gut” tells him Parcells will stay. (That’s strange. My gut only ever tells me that it wants more pepperoni pizza. And Yoo-hoo.)

But, at a bare minimum, the Tuna will be turning the screws on Ross, angling for a better deal with the leverage that his current contract provides.

Why else — as we’ve previously noted — would Parcells have leaked information about his cash-and-carry arrangement on Sunday, December 28, the day before owners began firing coaches and General Managers?

Salguero points out two other interesting dynamics. First (and as we noted on Sunday), former Chiefs G.M. Carl Peterson attended Sunday’s playoff game, amid reports that he could be joining the team.

Per Salguero, Peterson was overheard talking about the Dolphins in terms of “we.”

Second, Ross could end up being another Jerry Jones, at least as it relates to the non-football aspects of the business. Writes Salguero: “He believes the Dolphins should be as much about entertainment as winning football games. He understands the show is on the field, but believes that still leaves room for sideshows elsewhere.”

Case in point — Jon Bon Jovi and Dwyane Wade were hanging out on the sidelines before Sunday’s game, as guests of Ross. (And we can imagine Parcells telling either or both of them, “Suit up and get ready to play, or get the hell out of here.”)

Parcells spent four years with a P.T. Barnum, and he likely isn’t interested in doing it again. The Tuna landed in Miami because Huizenga was/is the Bizarro Jerry, and Parcells specifically worked into his contract language that would protect him against having to deal with a new owner, whoever it might be.

So we can’t imagine Parcells staying without a clause that allows him to walk away at any time, with a huge cash payment and the ability to work wherever he wants.

With a contract that gives him the power to leave now and take the rest of his money, he holds all the cards. And he’ll stay under his terms, or he simply won’t stay.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Go find a hobby. Although there are some admirable people on the blog (I persume), there are many more publicly acclaimed individuals that you can go "root" for.

What a total jackass you are.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow Red, you need a hug. If you don't care what he thinks, then don't care!! He gave some good kudos, he missed some solid posters. Who gives a damn? I'd rather talk about our draft in less than 3 months. Or Swedish folk songs.

p.s. nice use of no talent assclown. Office Space allusions are always welcome in my 'hood

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why I wasn't even mentioned in the TCCLs...I know I've been quiet, but I can't get no internet connection in that solitary lock down...Jesus.

Posted by: PrisonBalls00 | January 6, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why I wasn't even mentioned in the TCCLs...I know I've been quiet, but I can't get no internet connection in that solitary lock down...Jesus.

Posted by: PrisonBalls00 | January 6, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Please make a choice.

Which of the following players (assume we can get one and only one) should we sign in the offseason?

a. Jordan Gross
b. Julius Peppers
c. Albert Haynesworth
d. none - they are either too expensive, old, or un-Torrencian. Address need(s) with current personnel/cornucopia of 2009 draft picks

Winner gets nothing but a smack on the backside from Cindy (cool CB?)

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm going with d, maybe Gross but he will cost a lot.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I'd say Peppers, then Haynesworth. Pass on Gross.

Disappointed I didn't make the power rankings, I guess I don't post enough.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 6, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I meant Peppers first over Haynesworth. not both.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 6, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

D. none

There is going to be more players declaring for the draft that wont get drafted because of the cba and the fact that roger goodell want to rework the rookie pay scale. there is going to be plenty of talent left as free agents and in the suppl. draft

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 6, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I go with D, sign Canty, and a draft Raji, then take a LB in the 3rd, then oline with your last two picks, as well as sign a legit backup at center and a younger tackle but not Gross. Know you have Heyer, Rhino, plus two signees, and two new draft picks on oline, and you have upgraded you dline too.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 6, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The Redskin scouts should be looking at Div 1-AA,O lineman that were 1st team all americans as long as they meet height and weight requirements(know their wgt.rm.stats) their should be some diamonds in the rough in that group.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 6, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

notorious, I'm going with D. none of the above.

Vernon Carey, and Brown from BA, along with Canty DE, from Dallas.

Trade back from #13, hopefully garnering either a late #1, and a #2, or a early #2 and a #3 and #4. Draft OL, OL,DL and LB.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Prison Balls, I would stick you with the 2's not like your one of the but annoying guys. Though its not my list. but thats my opinion.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

+++As for draft - I'd trade out of the 13, add a 2nd and 3rd rounder...in 2nd round I'd take BJ Raji and in the 3rd, the best available OT. If Raji's gone, a punter fullback or WR would seem to make sense.+++

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2009 12:33 PM

If we could sign Gross and then trade out of the #13 for a second and third round pick then do it. Gross would provide immediate, solid OLine help and allow to focus on the trenches with the added picks.

A. Jordan Gross.

Punter in the second round? mmmm. no?

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

LMG & Iss, advice heeded...
----------------------------

Which of the following players (assume we can get one and only one) should we sign in the offseason?

a. Jordan Gross
b. Julius Peppers
c. Albert Haynesworth
d. none - they are either too expensive, old, or un-Torrencian. Address need(s) with current personnel/cornucopia of 2009 draft picks

Winner gets nothing but a smack on the backside from Cindy (cool CB?)

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2009 12:50 PM
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Make mine D - none of the above. The draft and undrafted free agents are how the Redskins need to build this team, and based on their undying loyalty to guys like Springs (is there talk of actually extending this guy), the inflated contracts of the likes of Portis and Moss, do they really have a choice but to build through the draft and UFA?

They don't cut veterans, so the liklihood of them dumping salaries seems slim to me at this point - basically stating that they won't be able to afford any of the very talented FA (Peppers, Hanynesworth, Gross).

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

the problem I have with signing gross is that he's going to be 29 years old when training camp opens.....I want to get YOUNGER on the OL. Not just band-aid younger....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm going A. Gross would be a great signing for this team. That would allow us to trade back, draft a G/C, and pick up other "needs".

Gross is the safest of the FA signings. Started every game of his career. Although Peppers would be nice as well...

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I think you get a younger cheaper RT in FA and then trade back, Gross is expensive and he will be 29 when he starts playing for the Skins.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Offensive player of the year is ... Drew Brees.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | January 6, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Silly rando fuutball related news

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3813507

Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham announced Tuesday that her office will not be able to proceed with criminal charges against Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Marvin Harrison in connection with a shooting in North Philadelphia last year.

Alex's thougth:
Really judging by the way that Philly sports fans act who thought shooting people was even illegal in that city, I thought it was encourage.

Rex Ryan Is Favorite to Become Coach of NFL’s Jets, BetUS Says

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=aQDgw1Yrb55c&refer=home

He signed a three-year contract that made him one of the NFL’s highest-paid coordinators at more than $2 million annually. The Broncos fired Shanahan last ...

Alex's thougth:
I have no problem with gambling but betting on who will get a head coaching job. If you are putting down some nice change on who will be made a Head Coach do me a sold and get some therapy.

KFC makes NFL 'Hail Mary' challenge
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2009/01/05/daily37.html

In recognition of its sponsorship agreement with the National Football League that makes it the “Official Wing Sponsor” of the NFL Playoffs and the Super Bowl, KFC will donate $125,000 to the KFC Colonel’s Scholars Program if one of the remaining playoff teams completes a successful “Hail Mary” pass on the final play of an upcoming NFL divisional or conference championship game.
Alex's Thought:
KFC is not only now the Official wing sponsor of the NFL but the official deep fried Rat sponsor as well. KFC is the most discussing fried chicken chain out there, if you are over 18 and still like KFC then you need to try some popeyes it will blow your mind.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I want to get YOUNGER on the OL. Not just band-aid younger....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

You can still do both - with any of the guys that were mentioned above. Just because we sign a FA doesn't mean we can't draft there as well. My only hope is that Vinny realizes that if he ends up getting them.

This team has a lot of cap room available if the right players are let go. Might as well use it (which plays into my question as to why we would even bother attempting to trade Rogers - there's more than enough cap room to sign both he and Hall so long as Springs is released).

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

people don't understand you cant have a pass rush without solid DT. this means your defensive end nor the linebackers or safeties your blitzing will be able to get there because the gaps arent being occuiped by someone big. Every team in the NFL with a pass rush or teams whom generate sacks has a big DT whom can handle the double teams and sometimes triple teams. Think about it as stated above the only big DT we have is Ant Mongomery whom is still learning the position coming out of Minessota were he mostly played on the offensive line as an Guard outside of him we lack size big time Griff is only like 6 feet tall and barely 300 pounds and Golston around the same as him. Pressure will cause more takeways for us and help players like London Flecther,Andre Carter, and the whole secondary. Example remember how Ray Lewis suffered couple years ago when he was lacking a big DT to help free room for him to roam and navigate the ball carrier what did GM Ozzie Newsome do the following year he addressed needs by drafting Haloi Ngata and Ngata is a straight freak and now you see there takeaway rate has jumped up and Ray Lewis barely gets touched by an offensive lineman. If i was Synder cause i never want to be Cerrato cause he is a dummy i would do this.

Sign Defensive Tackle-Albert Haynesworth from Tennessee
Sign Guard-Chris Kemoeatu Pittsburgh
Sign Outside Linebacker-Channing Crowder Miami
Sign Center-Jason Brown Baltimore
Draft DE-Brian Orakpo From Texas
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 255 lbs

Cut Jason Taylor
Cut Jon Jansen
Cut Casy Rabach
Cut Marcus Washington
Cut Cornelius Griffin
Cut Antwan Randle El
Trade Carlos Rogers for a 3rd or 2nd round pick (first day pick)

Posted by: Dolla1987 | January 6, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

psp, I guess my point was that I'd rather not give big money to Gross, being that he's already going to be 29, I'd rather throw money at Carey, and Brown for probably the same amount of money, and get 2 players who are younger.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The O-line has to come first. It has struggled the most. The D-line, as Jason describes, can't be all that bad and still finish FOURTH IN THE NFL!? Blache likes his people even Jason doesn't.

Whereas the QBs are about to get killed and go on IR if they have to go through another season with that O-line. It could end up being an even worst debacle than when Spurrier was running things.

You address the O-line in the draft. Starting with the first pick. You draft tackles (like Robert Gallery) who could ostensibly play guard. You don't wait.

You address the D-line and LB situation with free agents. But they will be limited in what they can do because of all the dead cap space filled with pro-rated and guaranteed bonuses.

YOU RESIGN AND KEEP CARLOS ROGERS. Unless you can get a bevy of picks because Springs isn't getting any younger. You don't let him go as they did Pierce and Dockery.

You stay away from receivers. These guys are the worst of all when it comes to being lazy after getting gigantic signing bonuses. Why work when your money is already guaranteed?

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Gross will be 29 at the start of camp but he will give you 3-5 years of solid Line support... and start immediately.

we have a lot of youth on the line, today. I can't say if they're starting-caliber linemen but with five OLine men (less than 4 years exp) plus two more on the practice squad is there not one single body of lineman-talent? Maybe not? Maybe we have to draft that OT or sign one?

Has Buges lost a step? I think Peppers has, say 'no' JP.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

With you Dolla except we dont have anyone to replace Rabach or Rogers, not to mention you are taking a net loss traiding Los for a 2 or 3.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Salary cap, Salary cap. You just cut a bunch of guys with bonuses that carry over. You can't do anything like this.

"Sign Defensive Tackle-Albert Haynesworth from Tennessee
Sign Guard-Chris Kemoeatu Pittsburgh
Sign Outside Linebacker-Channing Crowder Miami
Sign Center-Jason Brown Baltimore"

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

signing Gross puts the team in the same situation that they're in today. In 2 years he's going to be slowing down due to age, they're not gaining anything, they're simply maintaining an old line. Get young. Period. Lets get some younger guys who have their best days AHEAD of them.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"REDSKINS INSIDER POWER RANKINGS
by Longtime Lurker, First Time Poster
Posted by: longtimelurker"

Forgot one:

longtimelurker -1000000 TCLs for his obnoxious rankings of people who post here. Don't you have something better to do with your time than rank others? You belong on alt.flame. Get a job, get
a real job.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

peric,

If you cut,

Taylor
Griff
Washington
Springs

It frees up 20mil

Jansen
ARE

Would be hits to the cap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Greg
my one concern is that for next year we dont have enough picks in the draft to get young at all the spots we need to so we need some 1 year gapfillers for some spots so we can draft next year at those areas.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Yes, this is the year to go the draft for the OL. Might as well use all four picks. Then do the FA thing to fix the holes in the defense where you can. This is going to be a multi-year process and hopefully Dan and Vinnie will keep draft picks instead of frittering them away.

Your QB needs confidence this year. He has suffered enough I think. And with the right OL it won't matter if the prima donna, Betts, or Rock plays. They will chew up some yards. Giving the defense a blow when they need it.

"I want to get YOUNGER on the OL. Not just band-aid younger....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

You can still do both - with any of the guys that were mentioned above."

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I agree that we need guys whose best days are AHEAD of them. But we really, really, really need to keep JC standing up in the pocket next season.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Greg
my one concern is that for next year we dont have enough picks in the draft to get young at all the spots we need to so we need some 1 year gapfillers for some spots so we can draft next year at those areas.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 1:32 PM |

Then you can't sign Gross, the salary he would demand would make it impossible to use him as a 1 year gap filler.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

al, no point in signing stop-gap guys to me. Bring in Carey, and Brown, and Canty, all guys who've been 5 years or less in the league, they've played the game for 4 seasons or so, and know what is expected. They're not stop-gap, and they're not going to command top-dollah.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"should've just said "Now I'll list some idiots"

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009"

I think imbeciles are below idiots on the IQ scale:

Imbeciles: TheTruth11

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Flounder.

thats why you don't see me pushing big name FA's (unless they are like 26 or under)

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

It has to be OL at least in the draft. Before, during and after the draft.

Its time to do FA with the defense. Only 2 real failures there (Barrows: injury) and Archuleta (prima donna or whatever).

They seem to do better with FAs on defense.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Why is Red still obsessed with me?

Dude loves having my name in his mouth, which is NOT a good thing.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Flounder.

thats why you don't see me pushing big name FA's (unless they are like 26 or under)

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 1:38 PM |

I was not saying you were for Gross just stating the point he should not be signed, because of the money he would want and do to his age.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth has only been mentioned as a "beast" the past two years when playing for a contract. If people watch a whole game, and not just highlights and listen to so-called geniuses, he takes plays off, gets beat one-on-one, and isn't worth that much money when there are multiple needs on your team.

Posted by: tonyc | January 6, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

dc, Jerry seems like a smaller version of Griff to me. Short, and probably at the upper end of how much weight he's gonna be able to carry and still be effective, just my .02.....(bring in Chris Canty)

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 10:40 AM

One inch shorter, fifteen pounds lighter, but WAY faster. Agree to disagree that he can't add muscle mass. [Agree to agree that he can't get taller.]

Cindy, agree about an O-line need, but unless there is some way to trade down in the first round to pick up another first day pick, my approach on the offensive line woe (primarily another tackle) is to overspend in free agency for another band aid ... seems like Jordan Gross is the cream of that crap. [So on this point, I guess I'm also agreeing to disagree with Greg again.]

Self-referential blog popularity contests are the stuff of Crowd Noise, not RI. RI is an organic experience driven by internally cross-referenced jibba jabba.

Self-referential blog popularity contests = power rankings ... O TCCLs.

[That said, agree to disagree on some of those low TCCL scores ... I'm digging some of the non-jibba actual football-stuff by zjack and Truth over the past couple few months. Plus, I don't even know if you gave a rating for NotoriousLMG, an excellent new(ish) addition. You way missed the point on football chops in 4th Floor, chRIs Larry, zjack, and learnedhand. Top notch those. PDiddy, by his own admission, doesn't really follow the actual game of football, only this particular team (and the Chargers). Finally, Nate does own the place ... to the extent it can be owned by someone other that jmicrodoc and his source meter thing. Everyone on your list should be upTCCLed, with the exception of one poster who knows who he is ... even though so few can actually follow what he posts.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

I see your point. However, I look at it this way:

The only thing I'm worried about regarding cap space should really be regarding this year's cap. Where do we need to get a serious and immediate infusion of talent?

OT
OG
C
DT
DE
OLB

I look at it like this; Jordan Gross would be paid like an elite tackle. You know who else is paid as an elite tackle? Jon Jansen. Jansen gets cut after 2009.

If we get a big-time DE like Peppers, yes he'll be major money, but we also could have Carter and Taylor coming off the books before 2010.

If we get a big-time OLB, his salary supplants Marcus Washinton's if not by this season, then by 2010.

A Guard would supplant Randy Thomas' salary. A center would supplant Casey Rabach's salary.

Resign Hall and Rogers, get rid of Springs and Smoot by 2010.

Other decent money guys that may come off the books within a year or two: Griffin and Randle El.

Now that's a very simplified look at things, and I'm not saying we should sign a bunch of FAs, but there's more than enough aging, expensive veterans that will come off the books prior to 2010. There will be a LOT of cap space in the future for this team. And the only young guys in my mind that will garner big money in the near future are Hall, (possibly) Campbell, Rogers, and Landry.

Therefore, my only worry is being able to fit whatever FAs we look at under THIS year's cap. As long as we can fit them this year, I think the cap issues are golden in the future (provided there is a cap in the future -- if not, we're golden anyway). I'd love to add 1, maybe 2 big-time FAs, plus 1-2 under the radar guys, then use the draft to concentrate on the future rather than immediate help.

My view on this whole FA thing.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Jordan Gross will only be entering his 7th season ... after the Panthers win the Super Bowl.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

And people need to remember Snyder/Cerrato had nothing to do with the Stubblefield and Wilkinson fiasco, they have been good on Defensive FA with the two exceptions mentioned by Peric.

I don't think these two not working out means you should never get another big time FA.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Jordan Gross will only be entering his 7th season ... after the Panthers win the Super Bowl.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 1:45 PM

He'll be out of the league by the time the Panthers win the Super Bowl.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 6, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't think these two not working out means you should never get another big time FA.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2009 1:48 PM

Agreed. It means that Charlie Casserly should never get another big time FA.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 6, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

regardless of what season Gross is entering, he's still going to be 29 years old. No thanks.

Also, I'm convinced that there is ZERO chance that the NFL goes to an uncapped league. ZERO. There has long been friction in these negotiations, but they always at the last hour get it done. If they go uncapped, small market teams like Buffalo, Cincy, and others will get swallowed up...I just don't see it happening.

The team shouldn't in any way shape or form count on an uncapped year in 2010.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS INSIDER POWER RANKINGS=power rankings

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse


Which of the following players (assume we can get one and only one) should we sign in the offseason?

a. Jordan Gross
b. Julius Peppers
c. Albert Haynesworth
d. none - they are either too expensive, old, or un-Torrencian. Address need(s) with current personnel/cornucopia of 2009 draft picks

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2009 12:50 PM

From that list -- I'd attempt to sign only Haynesworth. The Skins DEs are fine, but they should also try to sign the following free agents:

SLB Suggs to replace Washington
RT Stinchcomb as a starting tackle; Jansen as backup OT/G
K Graham to replace Suisham
OG Elton Brown to replace Kendall

The should draft an OT, OLB, C, and OG.

There are no decent WRs available in free agency. However, I think they should consider trading Randel El and possibly a draft pick for a premiere WR such as Ocho Cinco or Boldin. ARE cannot be cut, since he's signed through 2013. However, he is best suited as a #3 slot receiver, to run reverses, and gadget plays. Plus he's had only one good punt return in three years...

I'm not sure why there are so many people worried about money. Snyder is a master of managing the salary cap. He always finds a way to sign free agents, restructure key players, and spend all the allotted money under the cap. Would the complainers really prefer KC's model of leaving 27 million in cap space, allowing third year players to leave, not signing free agents, and fielding a losing team full of unseasoned draft picks?

Posted by: siris | January 6, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

If they go uncapped, small market teams like Buffalo, Cincy, and others will get swallowed up...I just don't see it happening.

The team shouldn't in any way shape or form count on an uncapped year in 2010.

Posted by: BeantownGreg ++++

MLB's biggest problem.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 6, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

He'll be out of the league by the time the Panthers win the Super Bowl.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 6, 2009 1:50 PM

So who do you say stops the Panthers? The Cards? Philly? Or the AFC North opponent who makes it to Tampa?

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 6, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

So who do you say stops the Panthers? The Cards? Philly? Or the AFC North opponent who makes it to Tampa?

Posted by: dcsween


Love to see the Panthers win it all. They should make it to the SB, unless Jake get's Favre-like and gambles too much.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 6, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Alright, I'm the new guy and I got the solution. All it takes is 5 steps and I think it is very do-able, assuming VC is a little competent.

1) Cut Grif and Taylor- Too much money is tied up here and not enough production
2) Trade to lower first round (I'm thinking 25-32) and pick up a second round pick
3) Draft a DE with the 1st round pick
4) Draft 2 OL with the second and third round pick- You can find good, starter caliber OL in these rounds
5)Bring in FA DT and Linebacker- Preferably Haynesworth but I doubt he doesn't get resigned by Tenn

Plan B- Follow the Ravens, Steelers and Giants GMs around and see who they are looking at on D

Posted by: KBDC | January 6, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Beantown, I agree. While i would put the uncapped year percentage around 20...there is no way you long term plan around it happening.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Greg, my post was counting on a capped year in 2010. Similar to how Springs, Taylor, and Griffin can be cut this year to save space, guys like Jansen, Randle El, and Smoot can be cut next offseason to free up even more space.

Regardless of the cap issues, this team will be able to shed a LOT of money within the next 2 years. The skins have very few youngsters that have earned the type of money these vets are making, and we aren't the Washington Wizards, so we might as well use the cap space we have to sign some immediate help guys (so long as we aren't trading draft picks to get them).

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"I think imbeciles are below idiots on the IQ scale:

Imbeciles: TheTruth11

Posted by: periculum "

You're actually okay, but it took you like 3 months of people telling you we don't have a 2nd round pick for you to realize that, in fact, we don't have a 2nd round pick.

That is assuming you realize that now...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

ls, exactly. There will be the have's, and the have not's just like baseball. The yanks just got finished spending close to 500 million on 3 guys.

NOW, I'm a Sox and a Redskins fan, BOTH TEAMS have the financial means to spend money, and OUT-SPEND other teams, but I'd rather it wasn't like that, I'd rather they didn't 'buy' a winner.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

4 TCCLs!

Suck on my critical acclaim, beeyotches! ;-)

Posted by: freakzilla | January 6, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only non Delhome fan? I just watch him play and always think he is a backup who gets lucky.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

There will be the have's, and the have not's just like baseball. The yanks just got finished spending close to 500 million on 3 guys.+++

Fans of the Yankees have to be some of the most obnoxious in all of sport, topped only by Eagles Fans.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 6, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

So who do you say stops the Panthers? The Cards? Philly? Or the AFC North opponent who makes it to Tampa?

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 2:00 PM

I think they can get there, but they can't win against the AFC champ.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 6, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only non Delhome fan? I just watch him play and always think he is a backup who gets lucky.


Posted by: alex35332 ++++

He makes you yell,"No, no, don't throw it....yes, what a throw!" He does that all the time. He has a really good O-line, and a great running game. S. Smith is amazing. He has weapons that allow him to take chances.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 6, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I hope Panthers win the whole shooting match...and I am a Delhome fan.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

who the hell is dr. laura?

nothing surprises me about this village idiot anymore.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

So who do you say stops the Panthers? The Cards? Philly? Or the AFC North opponent who makes it to Tampa?

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 2:00 PM

I think they can get there, but they can't win against the AFC champ.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 6, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse


I think the only AFC team that would have been favored over an NFC team were the Colts. Even if the Titans or Steelers win out, I'd take the Giants or Carolina over them in a heartbeat.

That is, unless, Arizona or the Eagles put a spell on the 2 NFC giants and make it through.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Fans of the Yankees have to be some of the most obnoxious in all of sport, topped only by Eagles Fans.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 6, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I disagree, you have to look at two types of fans. Fans who grew up in NYC and are yankee fans vs, people who grew up in a different city with a team but because "Daddy wanted them to be a winner" they became yankee fans, much like non Dallas Cowboy fans. Eagle Fans are worse because no one in there right mind is an eagle fan outside the philly area.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only non Delhome fan? I just watch him play and always think he is a backup who gets lucky.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 2:08 PM

Delhomme is like Bulger ... under the radar high level performer. The backup who gets lucky is Favre, whose "luck" includes both good luck (unbelievable TD completions late in the scramble while he's facing backward) and bad luck (see INT stats). The QB alone does not win the Super Bowl, defenses do.

Also, witness the good fortune that circumstances have bestowed on Kerry Collins.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I listened to Cooley's last interview on Elliott in the Morning, and was, frankly, annoyed. He said something about "knowing we have the talent around here over the past few years" and then added another disclaimer about "not knocking the coaching staff - they were rookies" and honestly, I'm just SICK of that attitude. If they had the talent over the past few years, then it's simple to me: THEY NEED TO WIN. Period.

Why does Cooley keep saying publicly they "have the talent"? He did say they need "depth on the lines", but otherwise, what I heard him saying is that this team is talented, but not necessarily motivated.

So whose fault is that? It's easy to blame the coaches, but to me, it's a matter of pride...of urgency...of WANTING it. And these players here in DC, obviously, don't.

So we can all sit around and cast blame, and spit on the owner, and speculate on the draft all we want. But until the players we DO have decide to play like they mean it...we'll continue to go nowhere.

Posted by: mommyskinsfan | January 6, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Cooley walked as close to the line that he could in the interview with out causing another Portisgate. (sorry I know everyone hates the gate thing)

What is gonna do when asked "is vinny the problem" say yes and then realize his paycheck is missing?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

ls, pats fans have got yanks fans beat by a WIDE margin. Yanks fans have been humbled quite a bit in the last 4-5 years, however this recent spending spree will have them back at their usual obnoxious level.

pats fans are convinced that the NFL has it out for them, that somehow the NFL gears itself so that they're always at a disadvantage, yet somehow they're able to over come this.

Like, its ok that they were cheating by videotaping, but NOT ok that Mangini called them on it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

... they can't win against the AFC champ.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 6, 2009 2:10 PM

Go out on a limb here ... who is that going to be? [I already said who I'm taking ... well, one of two anyway.] Doesn't matter who you pick though, because the Panthers D is just as real but they are more reliable on offense.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

much like non Dallas Cowboy fans. Eagle Fans are worse because no one in there right mind is an eagle fan outside the philly area.


Posted by: alex35332++++

I stand corrected.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 6, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

mommyskinsfan,

Did he actually say the team wasn't "motivated"?

Or was he saying they have the talent, but it didn't show out there?

If it's the latter, it's on the coaches. If it's the prior, it's on the players.

Sounds to me as if Cooley didn't think Zorn had the chops for this year. As much as you want to blame the players, their performance is and always will be predicated by the coaches. Unless you're Michael Vick or Peyton Manning, this is not a sport where you can do whatever you want on the field. It all starts with coaching.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

http://www.eitmonline.com/live.html

cooleys last interview of the season...
Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

For those who want a thought on the cooley thing Zebra posted the URL today.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Cooley doesn't have to throw Vinny under the bus, obviously...but it's irritating as a fan when we're constantly told by the players that they are "talented" but didn't get the job done.

In most lines of work, talented people who don't produce are sent packing...or told to put-up-or-shut-up. Stating in public that your team is talented but under-achieved says to me they simply didn't come to play.

As fans, we deserve better. And I'm a Cooley fan...but he needs better PR training.

Posted by: mommyskinsfan | January 6, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

ls, pats fans have got yanks fans beat by a WIDE margin. Yanks fans have been humbled quite a bit in the last 4-5 years, however this recent spending spree will have them back at their usual obnoxious level. ++++

True about Pat's fans. I guess living in the Carolina's for 20 years now, we have areas of Myrtle beach known colloquially(sp) as NY South. When I go to a sports bar here, not too many Pats fans as compared to Steelers, Yankees, Giants and Philly fans.
The Steelers fans can get pretty bad too, but when they smile that toothless smile, & the ladies still have BIG hair, and wear their jeans way too tight, it makes you just feel sorry for them.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 6, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

>peric,

>If you cut,

>Taylor

This IS A special case that everyone seems to ignore. He is not guaranteed any salary next year. There were no bonuses. The only thing lost were the draft picks. Yeah that hurt.

You can resign him for significantly less. I think that's a good idea. He is much healthier than the rest of the guys in his age group.

____________________________________________
>Griff
>Washington
>Springs
____________________________________________
>It frees up 20mil

If you cut the last guy and trade Rogers then what? You haven't signed Hall yet. Smoot?
Everyone needs to think about this and not be a "fan" like Snidely Owl and Vinnie. Look at how much damage they've done by "pulling the trigger" without thinking.

You can cut Griffin. His almost all salary not much in bonuses. A win.

Washington? McIntosh has bad knees. Consider him the same age. Same situation. Now what? Unless you get someone like Suggs you have to hope that Matt Sinclair steps up next year.

>Jansen
>ARE

Jansen is a backup. A highly paid one. ARE is a 3rd wide out and a terrible punt returner. All we need is for him to run backwards like one former PR for the Redskins used to.


Would be hits to the cap.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

siris

Siging Gross solves the left guard issue.

But do you take a right tackle at the 13th pick or draft Orakapo...

I draft Orakapo: (I hope I spelled it right). He's quick. He's a Dwight Feeney/Suggs type. Ohio State double- teamed him multiple times last night, and they have a good o-line.

I play Orakapo behind Carter next season, meaning Evans get the nod at d-tackle/end with Philip Daniels next season.

I'd spend a free agent money on either Channing Crowder ( R. McIntosh's spot) or Bart Scott (M. Washington's spot).

The tackle/linebacker problem gets kinda solved with:

Bart Scott?
Daniels-Evans
Evans-Montegomery
Golston-Griffin
Carter-Orakapo
Channing Crowder?

as next year's line/'backer rotation


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm ... OK, so instead of trading Rogers for picks, how about trading one of the three tight ends on the roster for picks? Maybe the talented one who wasn't coached well by the rookie coaches. I figure he would be worth a first round pick, or maybe a second round and second day pick.

[Just throwing a little gasoline and dog dirt on a smoldering fire. If you are feeling like a smoldering fire, feel free to explode and make a stink ... or report this post as "abuse.']

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

much as you want to blame the players, their performance is and always will be predicated by the coaches. Unless you're Michael Vick or Peyton Manning, this is not a sport where you can do whatever you want on the field. It all starts with coaching.

Posted by: psps23 ++++

.....except while most would agree (me too)Bill Bellichick is a good/great coach,
he didn't do so hot in Cleveland did he?
As is the case in most things in life, it's not as simple as one or the other, it takes both. Coaching and players, but I'd give the nod at the NFL level to the players. Really good players make coaches look "super-smart."

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 6, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Siging Gross solves the left guard issue.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Gross is a left tackle. He also played right tackle early in his career. He's never been a guard.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Is there a cap on how many picks a team can have? Why not toss all our players out for picks draft an entire rookie team and go from there.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

They should draft the best possible LT with that 1st pick. Then another. Then a center/guard. Then another tackle that can play guard. Samuels moves to right tackle. Jansen backs up Samuels until his contract expires. Heyer backs up everyone. If you get 4 good picks assume that 2 turn out plus Rhinehart you may have 3 starters. Plus depth.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Signing Gross solves the left guard issue.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2009 2:35 PM

Jordan Gross is Carolina's left tackle.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

UGH Dr. Laura...my already less than stellar view of Zorn just nose dived a bit. She is one of the biggest frauds to speak into the mic. Wow is that gross....

Here is Dr. Laura before she decided that should would spend her life telling others how to live:

WARNING NOT FOR WORK:

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/laura/

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

.....except while most would agree (me too)Bill Bellichick is a good/great coach,
he didn't do so hot in Cleveland did he?
As is the case in most things in life, it's not as simple as one or the other, it takes both. Coaching and players, but I'd give the nod at the NFL level to the players. Really good players make coaches look "super-smart."

Posted by: lsskinsfan

-------

That's true, it's usually never as simple as one thing.

But Belichick wasn't a hot coach in Cleveland. He had a lot to learn. The Belichick that coaches the Pats wasn't the guy that coached the Browns, just like the Coughlin that coaches the Giants wasn't the same Coughlin that bounced around the league earlier in his career. Both had to adjust themselves and learn a lot before they became who they are.

I'm not saying Zorn will never be a good coach, just that he isn't a good coach right now. He's got a lot to learn, both in a personal relations aspect (twice now his pro-bowl players have criticized him), and as an X's and O's guy (no shot in hell teams like Seattle, Detroit, or Oakland should be scoring as much or more points than us).

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Cooley walked as close to the line that he could in the interview with out causing another Portisgate.

yep! damn jason taylor!!!! (for causing that stupid fumble!!!!)

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

cL, that post will be off the site before this post that I'm typing gets posted.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"But Belichick wasn't a hot coach in Cleveland. He had a lot to learn. The Belichick that coaches the Pats wasn't the guy that coached the Browns"

Actually the Belichick who coached the pats wasn't a hot coach either until Tom Brady became his qb. He was 6-10 I believe his first year in NE, and wasn't doing so well the second year, until Mo Lewis blasted Drew Bledsoe into oblivion.....

The owner has gone on record as saying that had they not won the game versus San Diego during the 2001 season, which they did in OT, he would have fired Billy...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Belicheck is the coach he is for pats due to experience with Browns....sorta apples and hamhocks there and not a strong argument Issy.

Also when did Caughlin bounce around the league...last time I checked he was very successful in Jacksonville considering they were an exspansion team....other than that he coached with parcells and head coached BC. not sure i classify that as "journeymen" coach...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying Zorn will never be a good coach, just that he isn't a good coach right now. He's got a lot to learn, both in a personal relations aspect (twice now his pro-bowl players have criticized him+++


I think with time, he may become a good coach, but it also requires the FO backing the coach over the players.
If a couple of players spaek out against the coach, with no consequences, then how much command does any coach really have?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 6, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"Is there a cap on how many picks a team can have? Why not toss all our players out for picks draft an entire rookie team and go from there.


Posted by: alex35332"

probably is we either have players that we cannot get rid of no matter what due to cap ramifications or we have sucky players (and by sucky players I mean we can't get any high draft picks for them). EVERY player on our team falls into this category.

At best, we could get maybe a third rounder for each person we wanted to trade, and that's really at best. I would say on average someone would offer us a 5th rounder or two for each player we could trade. Everyone else we can't trade because it just wouldn't be beneficial after the cap ramifications.

An upgraded version of every player we have could probably be found in the first two rounds next year, minus one or two players.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"Coaching and players, but I'd give the nod at the NFL level to the players. Really good players make coaches look "super-smart."

Posted by: lsskinsfan"

I'll agree, good players make coaches look great.

But it also goes the other way around. Bad coaches make good players look poor.

Case in point: Deangelo Hall. Plays for Oakland, he's the most beaten corner in the league. Plays for Blache, he's back to pro-bowl form.

It goes both ways. In my opinion, in regards to the offense, this team suffers from the coaching.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

psps23

I don't think Zorn had the 'chops' last year.

Week after week, the Skins ran the same plays with the same formations with no creative response to what teams Pittsburgh thru San Fran did to them.

He called passing plays that fit a dink and dunk high accuracy style with a stand back and sling it q-back.

He ran Portis into the ground and used Betts and Cartwright as an after thought-- in fact, had the Skins made the playoffs, Portis would've been too hurt to be productive.

But he's a smart guy and alleged to be honest to a fault.

Perhaps his own self-assessment will be the finger that points him in the right direction next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

While riding to lunch, I heard that Clinton Portis will be on the JT show at 3:30. Could someone to be so kind to post the questions they'll be asking him, please?
---------------------
Truth, stop with the frontin' already. You've changed handles, nickmanes, or whatever a bunch of times. That BS post of the "who's who" of this blog has YOUR pitiful name written all over it. Most of the poeple here have a good idea that it was your needy ass that posted that garbage in the first place.

usually I'm not a fan of "blogspeak" (Too cliquish for me), but I'm going to filter your BS into the "ITA" folder, and I know you won't lose sleep but ignore the assclown, I shall.

I dispise you, nothing would give me more pleasure than seeing you crawl back under that piece of bulldog sh*t you were hiding under before we were graced with your presence.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

That assessment is true, but he's also moved beyond that. Otherwise he wouldn't have won 11 games with Matt Cassel. And I know you don't think Cassel is a great QB in this league, just a solid one for the Pats.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

not just dog siht...but bulldog siht....you can't say Red doesn't have a way with words....

Were you a longshoreman or merchant marines Red?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

psp, I agree somewhat. While I think he's an ok coach, who happens to have the GREATEST QB of all time in Tom Brady, he's had 7 seasons in which Tom was not his qb, and I believe in only 1 of them, if not any, did he make the playoffs.

Neither here nor there I suppose...

Is CP really going to be on the JT show?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"If a couple of players spaek out against the coach, with no consequences, then how much command does any coach really have?

Posted by: lsskinsfan"

Shouldn't it be up to Zorn to provide the consequences? He had the opportunity to bench if he saw fit.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Mommy;

at the end cooley says something to the effect that in the end they didnt deserve to be in the playoffs and they were not as good as everyone thought.

We all went on a rollercoater ride this season, and its hard not to be optimistic after a 6-2 start.

Just like the players and coaches, each week is new with ups and downs.

But i dont expect a player to dog his team or coaches just to saitisfy Elliot and the listeners of DC101 et al.

He is giving exposure to a superstar athelete, and he is trying to not undermine anyone.

Tell me how you would do if asked questions about your bosses on air? would you have a filter? Only people like CP think they can get away with it and thankfully cooley isnt like CP in that way.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

CL where ever you were on the crazy list it was too low.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Head coach/GM predictions anyone?

dcsween says that no coach or GM get hired anywhere until Pioli decides where he wants to work next year.

dcsween says Pioli picks Kansas City.

dcsween says Ron Rivera becomes coach of St. Louis. [Incidentally, St. Louis' defense will be outstanding next year.]

dcsween says Parcells stays in Miami, but gets to keep the part of the contract that says he can leave whenever he wants and take all the remaining money.

dcsween says Dungy does retire, and gets replaced from within by Jim Caldwell.

dcsween says that Cleveland does hire the guy from Baltimore (Kosinkis?) to be GM, but not Mangini ... instead, Jim Schwartz (Titans' DC) gets the HC job.

dcsween says Russ Grimm does get the nod in NY (Jets) ... and that they dump Favre, draft one of the first four QBs, and sign another band-aid QB for one season so the new guy doesn't have to be used yet.

dcsween says Lions hire Fassel.

dcsween says Broncos hire Leslie Frazer (current DC in Minnesota) as coach, and Rich McKay (former GM in Atlanta).

Spagnuolo stays, Wade Phillips stays, Shanahan does television, Mangini becomes a coordinator.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a fan of New England at all, but I don't think that ONLY Tom Brady made Belicheck.

Charlie Weis, Josh McDaniels, their offensive line, and to a lesser extent, Randy Moss and Wes Welker (Got there after 3 SBs), also had a hand in his alleged geniality.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

He's right you know. Unless its a very special and still very young player. Someone like a Drew Brees. In the Skins case they actually lost in the Champ Bailey trade. He was probably worth 2-3 1st rounders at least. Instead they got Portis and gave up a pick.

That's how it works. You trade one "disgruntled" but still reasonably talented / motivated player for another.

TheTruth11:

"At best, we could get maybe a third rounder for each person we wanted to trade, and that's really at best. I would say on average someone would offer us a 5th rounder or two for each player we could trade."

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

And we should be greatful we get that access to him. Mommy, not to be mean, but you sound like the provebial spoiled fan who expects every player to be a role model and give any fan what they want... what is said on the radio can no way ever be more important than what is done on the field... they know what they are from their collapse

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Also, Jerry Gray leaves the Skins to become a defensive coordinator ... Houston? Maybe Green Bay or Minnesota or Tennessee.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

periculum sez:

The Nationals need a left-handed power hitter.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Mcdaniels and Weis are both coaches as well. I could care less if Zorn had his assistants carry him, so long as we were winning in the process. I'll even be all for it if that's what it's going to take.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I'd go to Oakland first. They have some talent on the OL there. Just "under motivated" ... :)

"Signing Gross solves the left guard issue.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2009 2:35 PM

Jordan Gross is Carolina's left tackle.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse"

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Robert Gallery might be cheaper than Jordan Gross and he can play tackle. Not sure if he is available. Then there's Kwame Harris. They all want to leave ya know?

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

R.I.P Ron Asheton (Stooges Guitar player)

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

lol Red


dude is truly upset that somebody didn't give him 4 Tom Cruise Couch Leaps, and he has resorted to insulting me.

and you can think it was me, but ain't no way I make someting that lame as to rate other people on this blog because I for one probably couldn't name over 10 of you losers if I wanted to.


but Red, you sir are ruined and you look pitiful dude.

lol

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Too bad don't play a 3-4. Evans, Montgomery and Golston wouldn't be bad. Then you just need a Suggs or two.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

red, name me one person from the pats SB winning teams whom you'd consider a STAR in the league. Other than Corey Dillon there's not a lot to go on. But whateves I guess.

peri-adam dunn, could be your huckleberry, great OBP guy....

dc, I bet grey stays, with the knowledge that once Blache retires, most likely after next year, he's taking over the reins.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Peri,

No they would be bad. In the 3-4 you need a true nose tackle. A space eater.

Posted by: Gweez | January 6, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Bean, thats what I heard on the radio. I think its his usual Tuesday appearence...

cL, not that I have anything to back this up besides these here words but I wasn't in anything crazy like the French Foreign Legion, but I did do a bid in the US Army. I was an 11B - Infantry.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

need to sign 1 of these 3: Canty, Bart Scott, Jordan Gross...draft Best Left Tackle at 13 and move Samuels to Right Tackle. A lot of problems solved!!!

Posted by: carsonspence | January 6, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

well then Red my tax dollars were well spent teaching you to spit a cuss!

My dad was infantry and i have never heard a dude who could string together a vile string like my old man. My brother and i used to look at each other and say "wow did that just come out of our father's mouth?"

Not a violent dude, but wow could he talk gross...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I suspect that if you match up Springs (when health and on top of his game) he against Champ Bailey he might come out on top at this point in time. That's why he stays when everyone thinks he is going to be shown the door. Given the distractions that guy has had he is frickin' amazing.

If the guy plays free safety he is like having a 3rd shutdown cover corner out there. That is something Horton is very weak at. He is more of a backup to LaRon Landry at tight safety.

Its Rogers and Hall if you can sign them both. And that is problematic at this point. If they can lose Smoot without suffering too much of a cap hit I would. But I suspect they are stuck with him for now.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"Charlie Weis, Josh McDaniels, their offensive line, and to a lesser extent, Randy Moss and Wes Welker (Got there after 3 SBs), also had a hand in his alleged geniality.

Posted by: RedDMV"

We've seen how great of a coach Charlie Weis is. A true offensive genius that led Notre Dame to either the worst or second worst offensive in the country in 2007-2008 (can't remember which one).

Randy Moss, Belicik had the final say in whether or not he wanted him and about 95% of the media\NFL thought this guy was either a cancer, done, or both.

Belicik has been a part of making Patriots fan even for one second entertain the idea of trading a 2-time Superbowl MVP for a guy that hasn't started a football game since high-school.


Belicik is, if not the best ever, top 2 or 3 easily.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

CP's Last Show on the JT coming up!

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"peri-adam dunn, could be your huckleberry, great OBP guy...."

Lousy batting average. Lots of strike outs. Manny looks better but is a morale problem. And he isn't a spring chicken. I guess 29 year old Milton Bradley is going to the Cubbies.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

peri;

you sound like me last week... evans and gol are good DE's in a 3-4... but we do need a monster DT...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

peri, was thinking of Dunn as a DH, forgot you're talking NL, no DH. Yeah, he's got his faults, but he can work a count, and he'd be protection for some good hitters....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

if someone could post what cp has to say, I'd appreciate it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Is that Truth d0uche still bumping his gums? FTR, I could give a damn about some idiot poster who'll never post on the regular (Oh and regualr poster [post damn near every day] = regular), they just did that because they wanted people to discuss their BS - JUST LIKE YOU TRUTH, so that's how I know it was your feminine ass.

Besides, it just fits your tarded character.

See, thats one of the MANY differences between you and I. You post wanting people to add or to discuss your sh*t. I post because there isn't much to do at work during the day (sometimes) and to read opinions on football. Not here to ake friends or get validation from anyone here, although there are a couple of (persumed) cool MoFo's here.

You're just a MoFo'n arsehole, who outstayed their welcome, the FIRST time you had your skirt lifted and high tailed it off the blog, you crab.

End of final message.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

John Thompson show is on hold looking for CP.

Come on Clinton! Get on the Phone!

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

One thing I was thinking of; even though I'm a huge fan of Rogers, what if we packaged him and the 13th overall for a top-5 pick? Surely perennial teams like the Lions, Chiefs, and Bengals can't be happy at having to dole out monster contracts year after year to top picks, you'd think they'd want to move back a few spots. Would Rogers and our pick be worth it to get a bookend offensive tackle like Andre Smith? He's been described as more physically gifted than Jake Long and Joe Thomas. Would that be worth it?

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse


Yes, they do. With just one you may take care of the entire line problem this year. If you resign Taylor for a lot less. Move Evans in to DT. Rotate with Golston and Montgomery. Then rotate Carter, Taylor, Jackson and Wilson at DE. But yes you need that one guy. At least it boils down to just one if you play your cards right. Not 3-5 like the OL needs.


"you sound like me last week... evans and gol are good DE's in a 3-4... but we do need a monster DT..."

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

No Manny to nats....will kill his value in my keeper fantasy baseball league....

Peri maybe we can use our second rounder to get the players we need to switch to 3-4.....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

CL,
FBL really... damn man

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Griffin is still a beast. He may be past his prime, but he suits up more often than not and plays through his injuries (unlike Springs). I would like the Skins to hang on to him. However An addition at DT is needed. Haynesworth will cost too much money and will probably resign with Tennessee. Im sure there are a couple other DT's who would work well in our system and not cost as much as a Haynesworth. All of you who say we should trade Carlos Rogers are IDIOTS! The man was playing at a pro bowl level before getting benched for no reason. The only problem he has are his hands, which can be worked on. Vinny Cerrato must be rubbing off on a lot of people because I keep seeing, get a 3rd rounder for Rogers. He is easily worth a 2nd(not that they should trade him). If everyone wants the Skins to get better, then why route for trading a one time 1st rounder who has played pretty well for a 3rd rounder this year. That is not improvement, it is regressing. Springs must go. He woudn't restucture his contract last year and was the only one who worked away from Redskins park during the offseason. The Skins should keep Rogers and Hall as the longterm plan so that our secondary is still a strength heading into the future.

Posted by: kbourgault2000 | January 6, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

psp, ugh...no, wrong direction....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Yeah fantasy baseball is the only thing that gets me through the dog days between football and hockey seasons.....

I am a nerd mofo...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

cL, really redmv stuff is pure poetry. i'm a bit envious like when you see a 20 something kid flying in for a rebound or cutting and driving...ohh well i'll just live vicariously thru redmv's stuff. and i'm not saying i was ever as good as redmv but i'd like to think that i was the best in my "hay day"...

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

cL, Skins need to hang onto that second rounder to trade for a guy like Priest Holmes who can be converted to receiver.

Damb you on that residual afternoon wood from Dr. L.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Dude,
just figured you would be busy teaching the kid how to gamble and curse and whatnot.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Winning a popularity contest on this blog is the same as winning a beauty contest in Samoa....you're still pretty damn ugly.

Posted by: isnadd | January 6, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse


Or we can make 'sween happy and trade the 1st and second for a real beast of a DT. Amobi from Moskogi. I recall you really liked that guy much
more than LaRon Landry.

"cL, Skins need to hang onto that second rounder to trade for a guy like Priest Holmes who can be converted to receiver.

Damb you on that residual afternoon wood"

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

sween,
You need to repackage that last comment as a book for children, replete with Dr Seuss-like characters.

CHFF says Titans or Giants.

Something inside makes me want the Panthers to win big. I don't know why.

Can you trade TCCL's for bonus points?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 6, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

... The only problem he has are his hands, which can be worked on. ...

Posted by: kbourgault2000 | January 6, 2009 3:33 PM

For four years and counting ...

The other problem is the amount invested in corners if they can find it in their wallets and salary cap to sign D'Angelo Hall.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

bmitch: would you want what LT has in sproles to lighten your load a lil?

cP: if it aint broke why fix it. me and betts had that at the begining of the year before he got hurt.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Is the talk of switching to a 3-4 serious on RI?

How many people are actually in favor of seeing the 3-4 in the district?

I said it a few months back that they should become more of a hybrid defense. Keep the 4-3 base with some 3-4 components added to the scheme. Like Baltimore.

Did anyone know that James Harrison was cut FOUR times before he signed with the Steelers?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The other problem is the amount invested in corners if they can find it in their wallets and salary cap to sign D'Angelo Hall.

Posted by: dcsween

Which wouldn't be a problem at all if they could find it in their hearts to cut Springs and Smoot within the next 2 years.

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

jt: is there any hope for next year?
cp: you tell me. i couldn't get 500 yards in the last 8 games. i don't know i'll do what they tell me to do.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Red, I post to make everyone like me.

But you're the one who completely flipped when they got 0 Tom Cruise Couch Lifts.

I'll tell you what, if it'll make you feel better I'll give you 4 Tom Cruise Coach Lifts.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Already used it for someone who would fit ... if his salary is reduced significantly ... Jason Taylor.

"Peri maybe we can use our second rounder to get the players we need to switch to 3-4....."

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

cp: it wasn't the offensive line.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"Is the talk of switching to a 3-4 serious on RI?"

Not really. Blache is from Chicago, the only other place never to have run a 3-4. :)

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

to appease the masses, my take at our 3-4

starter - backup

Evans - Alexander
FA/Draftee - Monty
Golston - Buzbee - Bischotti

Suggs - Mac
Malaluga - Campbell
LF - Blades
Taylor - Wilson

'If ifs and buts are candy and nuts'

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

cp: John, I'm getting old man. Time for me to retire to the booth with you.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

supposedly clinton said a lot but i missed a bunch. but from what i got i think he was trashing the "offensive philosophy"...

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

deal thanks, for a lions fan you're ok in my book.

If it wasn't the offensive line, what was it?? That makes NO sense.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have a 3-4 D but I don't think we're in the position to switch to it.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

and Bmore runs a straight 3-4 at this point/

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Sounds good to me. The FA draftee at NT would have to be pretty awesome.

"to appease the masses, my take at our 3-4

starter - backup

Evans - Alexander
FA/Draftee - Monty
Golston - Buzbee - Bischotti

Suggs - Mac
Malaluga - Campbell
LF - Blades
Taylor - Wilson

'If ifs and buts are candy and nuts'

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6"

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

My interpretation of what CP was saying. I suck at typing so I missed bits and peices but for the mot part, I think I got the key stuff.

JT-What are ur thoughts on the season?
CP- It didn't end the way we needed it to win. I'm on vacation, no wanted to be on vacation and watching other teams win, knowing that we could have played those teams or beat those teams...

On missing the Playoffs....
CP -It really don't [hurt], it just the idea of the opportunity. Step it up and find the way.

JT - If u had to make adjustments....
CP- Finishing the season and sticking with whats working and keep fighting as a team.

JT- One moment that is the 'what-if'...
CP-A lot of what-if moments but u cant go back and change it. as a team, we kindof know where we went wrong, as well as the coaching staff.

JT - As an individual what can u do../;
CP - my whole goal was to play in every game and give it everything i got.... be accountable to those guys in the locker room....I tried to do this year.

on relationship with Zorn....
CP- I think it's gonna have to be a give-and-take relationship. I know he's the head coach... You can't rule with an iron fist. The point is learning the personnel u got [to work with] and [not letting] what the outside world is talking about [affect you]. find a way to bounce back...

How much did srats change... 6-2 to downhill...
CP- I think we was healthy through the 6-2 and playing smash mouth football. I think we just lost identity of what we were trying to do. The running game was the focal point, everything was going great. Once we got away from that.... everyones play fell off.

JT- R u at liberty to discuss with the staff..
CP - No I dont think my seniority has anything to do with.... IDK whats going on around here... I'm gonna try take care of Clinton.

On Ladell and Two back systems...
CP- The thing about it is people never get that realization until after the season. You really cant get in the groove....if it aint broke dont fix it... i think me and ladell coexisted fine in the beginning of the season. .. Laddell was banged as well as me.....

CP- I think Coach Mitchell always shot straight... keep us alerted.... I don't think coach stump had the same opportunity, he wasn't in control like the other coaches. Me and Ladell been in the NFL for seven years....people weren't satisfied.

JT- Hope for next season...u sound depressed...
CP - Week 9 and five yds away from 1000 and all of the sudden and u can't even get 1000 yds, in seven games, i couldn't get 500 yds? Who knows, I cant do anything unless they ask me to do it. If they want me to punt, I'll start warming up my legs to punt.

CP- ....I just saying that was the same offense line we had to get to 6-2 and if u feel we weren't a good pass pro offense line and then we go and try to throw 50 passes... u cant control the FO, I'm gonna do my part to take care of CP.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

i think i am done with CP...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

not a spoiled fan, I don't think (and I'm good at self-critiques!)...just a realist. I'd just like the players here in DC to push a little harder. And I DO agree that Cooley probably doesn't think Zorn had the chops to be a good coach this year. I tend to agree with him there. I nearly keeled over during that Sellers 3rd-down fumble debacle. I hate to rehash it all, frankly, as it's all still too fresh in my mind.

But what will it take to motivate these "talented players" we supposedly have here, folks? If it's not a HOF coach (whom I'll admit had a less-than-stellar return to the coaching ranks, but still held a decent amount of cred with the players for what he'd done in the past) and it's not the new rookie, who WILL be able to get these dudes rolling?

And when will they just take control and start doing it themselves?

I'm not dismissing Cooley. Again, I'm just calling it like I see it. How many times this season would you have LOVED to have seen JC just throw caution to the wind, blow off whatever Zorn's stupid play call was, and just heave a bomb downfield? Wouldn't any of us have loved to see some of these players pacing up and down the sidelines during some of those atrocious losses (Cincinnati comes to mind) and just tell their teammates, "We're going to win!" And then actually go out and do it?

I agree, coaching is critical. But let's see some fire from our talent...isn't that what we pay them for???

Posted by: mommyskinsfan | January 6, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

If it wasn't the offensive line, what was it?? That makes NO sense.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 3:45 PM

Scheme, his injuries because of overuse, scheme...

Posted by: TWISI | January 6, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

So sorry about the gross mistake with Jordan Gross.

I know better.

Three of the surviving defenses in the playoff round use 3-4, 4-3 confusion to interrupt blocking schemes and stop guards from pulling as someone may or may not be in a gap.

And what do thay have in common: sacks and turnovers.

The Skins don't have a lot of choices and picks on defense, but tinkering with the scheme in the 3-4, 4-3 hybrid direction (like they did the the second Philly game) is a way to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Flag on moe, 5 yard horrible pun penalty, repeat 2nd down

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"JT- Hope for next season...u sound depressed...
CP - Week 9 and five yds away from 1000 and all of the sudden and u can't even get 1000 yds, in seven games, i couldn't get 500 yds? Who knows, I cant do anything unless they ask me to do it. If they want me to punt, I'll start warming up my legs to punt. "


jeeze, dude loves his stats

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

doesn't sound like postive talk coming from CP at all. you'd want him to sound optimistic, but with the offense looking like utter trash the last eight weeks, can you blame him?

maybe he's just ready to get on with the offseason.

i don't think him and Zorn will ever be on the "level".

Portis is great IMO, but I don't see him staying in DC any longer than two more years tops.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

greg, he was implying that something changed after the 6-2. the offensive philosophy changed after 6-2. btw others up here including myself were saying the same thing. it seemed like something changed inthe offense from week to week 9.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

But yes, keep em confused... we seemed a little predictable all over the field this year...

and I hear you mommy, but your last line, if not just a poor choice of words, seems to say the same thing "isn't that what we pay them for???'

its that 'we' part i have a prob with.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"Portis is great IMO, but I don't see him staying in DC any longer than two more years tops.

Posted by: RedDMV"

Wow, way to go out on a limb Red.

I mean seriously, DUH.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

But what will it take to motivate these "talented players" we supposedly have here, folks?

mommyskinsfan | January 6, 2009 3:49 PM

A coach with swagger (swag) - Tomlin.

A players coach - Tomlin.

A young, hungry, humble coach - Tomlin.


Get Mike Tomlin dammit!!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

zeebs

I'm done with CP, too...

...but his contract is what makes him the monster he is...

...and his attitude is good whens things are good and spoiled when they're not...

The Skins must use a three-headed running back attack next season....

...or at least I hope they do...

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

alright you too, play nice... i dont think CP is great, not now.

he has been used an abused so we better get a better partner than Betts to spell him and get a fresh CP who can last all year.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Everything changed once the Mid-west coast offense was discussed. JZ became a slave to the principals of the WCO and went away from this team strenght. Either JZ will need to adapt his philosphies, or the offense is about to get a major overhaul to adaquatly run the West coast.

Posted by: TWISI | January 6, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Tomlin rulz...I love that dude...

I agree with Clinton....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

+++CP - Week 9 and five yds away from 1000 and all of the sudden and u can't even get 5 yds? In seven games, I couldn't get 500 yds? Who knows, I cant do anything unless they ask me to do it. If they want me to punt, I'll start warming up my legs to punt. "+++

wanted to clarify those numbers. I heard the bit again a second ago.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"it seemed like something changed inthe offense from week to week 9"

Wasn't this about the time that the OL started to go downhill??

I don't put a lot of stock in what CP say's. He's a diva, likes to hear his own voice...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

bad news good news post... bad news is we have many problems that need addressing and we have no faith in those addressing the problem have a clue... Good news is that many of our problems are fixable quickly...Bad news is there aren't any proven fixes on our roster, ie reinhart for kendal? , thomas and kelly for el/ thrash something has to done with the portis/ betts combo....need a pocket collapsing DT and a DE, bad news is we have to go out and find them..... we need playmakers most of all i know the game is won and lost upfront, my feeling is we will put toghter a decent oline and continue to play solid on the d line by rotating alot of ouour has beens and never weres...but we need a few difference makers who take the ball away and are unblockable and the guys we throw it or hand to need to make a play.... i watch alot imean alot of football ...week after wee season after season i see guys alover the league many of which are "just guys" make the kind of plays we never seem too ( by this i mean these guys are not named ed reed or steve smith or insert big name)... by contrast i see our big names week after week year after year produce very few of these kinds of plays and our just guys play like just guys and almost never deliver.... that and if you my post from the previous thread are the two principle problems we face and faced for quite awhile.....not say'n

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | January 6, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that CP's only substantive comments beyond playerspeak was to single out the fact that he didn't get to 1,500 yards, and that the coaches (referencing Zorn) were ruling with an iron fist, while the other coaches (Stump) was 'straight with me' etc.

CP is a force but a declining one with a season long run of 31 yards. They really have to get someone else in here next season.

Since consensus seems to be OT #1, DT#3, sign one FA lineman on each side, LB in #5, I guess Redskins would have to get lucky with a 6th round + RB but I don't see how they can get by with just CP and Betts next year.

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 6, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

ITA is still in effect...

Does anyone have a list of teams or know off hand who runs the west coast offense?

Get the offsensive coordinator of the number one ranked offense among those teams and bring 'em here to give Zorn a "hand" with the playcalling duties.

If the 'skins can't get that guy then go after the O coordinator of the 2nd ranked offense, and so on...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

See, what we all noted in the past was against philly and dallas, our running game wasnt there til the end, after we had the lead.

I would say more than half of CPs yard came in the 2nd half.


I just think teams stopped worrying about our downfield threat and stopped CP and rushed JC...

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

They do need a 3rd back to change it up. CP should get used to the idea of being a 15 cary a game 1000 yards a season RB because if he wants to play in the NFL for more than another year or two thats what he needs to become.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I guess DT could be considered an area of pressing need if you consider it important to find somebody who can collapse the pocket and give the other rushers an edge.

Haloti Ngota, for instance.

I'm trying to think if any of those guys are out there. BJ Raji? Perry Jeria? Mebbe... mebbe not.

Nope, I'd go for an edge rusher. A linebacker, probably, rather than an end. The Steelers do that with success. As do the Pats.

DL drafts are chancy to begin with. Look at Glenn Dorsey, who most thought was far and away the best available last year. 1 sack, 1 pass defensed. Sedrick Ellis, DL 1-A, 4 sacks, 5 passes defensed. Better, but still nothing to write home about.

It's just hard to fix problems with rookies. Can be done, but there's a lot of uncertainty in the process. Guess wrong, and you spend the rest of the season reading "Fire Him!! He Sucks!!" posts in this Comments section.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 6, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

0 TCCLs. This group, plus a lot of others who only show up on game days, would make the blog a better place if they'd just leave and go post on Wizards Insider, Crowd Noise, or that Steinbog thing. He needs them, and we don't. If they posted there, instead of here, they'd simultaneously make both blogs better. They're variously obtuse, full of themselves, hateful, spiteful, obsessively negative, truculent, or just plain bent, and it characterizes too many of their posts.

austin987654
barno
Daggarforracialjustice
JasonLaTempleton
jaicinto
lsskinsfan
MrRedskin21
periculum
poolman
rachel216
RedDMV
sportsguru
vegasskinsfan
zjfr2
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It's all right Jasno. If nothing else, this post cements your status as a flatulent know-nothing who has too much time on his hands; none of which seems to find its way into decent writing on your end.

In looking over this list, I feel honored to be numbered among many who have the balls to say what they mean and mean what they say, sans compromise.

I'll leave the compromising to the bootlicking "regulars" (i.e., former high school losers - now adult losers - who need a place to feel "accepted").

Selah.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 6, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

well the zornskins run a very "pure WC" system. I think thats run by Seattle (obviously), Philly, Minn, Balt, any MH tree guys.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Either JZ will need to adapt his philosphies, or the offense is about to get a major overhaul to adaquatly run the West coast.

Posted by: TWISI | January 6, 2009 3:58 PM

My guess is that the FO is in the midst of the latter. That's the only way I can explain the three pass catchers in the second round. When Heyer started in front of Jansen, it was because he was pegged as better in pass protection.

Btwn Cooley and Portis, its starting to feel like the Giants when their "vets" (Tiki, Strahan, Shockey) started to assert their off-the-field-in-front-of-a-mic leadership. Like Coughlin, Zorn is going to have to take it. Hopefully, the FO hangs onto Zorn for as long is it take for these vets to "mature" (i.e., end up in front of microphones permanently like Tiki and Strahan, or on another team like Shockey).

Maybe this just goes with the territory of losing.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Though Cooley is no where near the pain that Shockey is.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

CP is a cancer. The team needs to get rid of his type. He's also light in the loafers- that's the word on the street.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 6, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

CP now on the Sports Reporters, making sure that he tossed the WHOLE can of gasoline on the fire. Dear God, man, shut up. Go take a vacation. Find a hobby. Stop running your enormous whiny yap on the radio.

Posted by: mdean3 | January 6, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

CP is back on the radio!

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey Red, please tell us how in the world Clinton Portis will be any good at all in 3 years.

Jeeze, dude pretends to talk about football but when he really does he doesn't know crap.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Clinton on the JT show again,

"I wasn't clearing up nothing. I wasn't trying to make my yrds more important. I was saying Week 8 we had 1000 yds. And then the next 8 weeks we couldn't get 500 yrds.... I have no idea? we still had the same line.

JT-There were other cooks in the kitchn in the second half?
CP- YEAH.

CP - It ain't about keeping me happy. everyday i gotta go to work, i wont be disgruntled i wont bring any of my coworkers down....

CP- No bonus for 1500 yrds. No bonuses period!

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

cp saying stump stopped running the show after 6-2.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskins21 speaks Truth at an alarming rate.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

that just cant be true dealer, why after going 6-2?

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Portis is a diva no doubt... just like MAJORITY of the good players in todays the NFL.

A diva who is nearing the end of his prime, and can't break long runs anymore.

But if, and I know this complete hypothetics here, but if you were to take A. Peterson and CP and switch teams, who do you think would have more yards by the end of the season?

Only knock I have on Portis is that he has NO LATERAL movement at all anymore. No cutbacks, no "juke". He's a stutter stepping, patient, run at the defense sort of back now - NOT what he was in Denver.

The problem with the Redskins is that they have two of these type of backs.

He may have "picked the wrong running lane" but his cutback ability masked that error. You know who he is... the most celebrated dude on the blog, and he's never played a single game... yeah you know.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

mr21, you realize that wasnt Jasno's rankings, yes?

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

mat, that wasn't jt show. that was czabe and andy asking the questions.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

CP- ....I just saying that was the same offense line we had to get to 6-2 and if u feel we weren't a good pass pro offense line and then we go and try to throw 50 passes... u cant control the FO, I'm gonna do my part to take care of CP.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 3:48 PM

JT-There were other cooks in the kitchn in the second half?
CP- YEAH.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 4:13 PM

I'm not understanding what Portis is saying. Is he saying that Zorn or Sherman Smith weren't the ones calling the plays in the first part of the season? Doesn't make sense that a position coach would be calling plays. What does this stuff about FO mean?

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

During Zorns call in time.... hmmm

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

zeebs, that's the "$63.99K" question. why change what had been working?

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

My bad dealer1.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

just throwing it out there, i'm not talking to anyone in particular, but when did I say that Clinton Portis will be "any good at all in 3 years"

Anybody?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Not seeing any love out there for Karlos Dansby in all the defensive free-agent talk? After re-signing Hall and Evans as our internal priorities, either he or Channing Crowder could be good young guys to strengthen our LB corp next year (minus M. Washington) and into the future (minus L. Fletcher), but I'm not sure either will be anxious to leave their current teams (i.e. playoff teams) if they get respectable offers to stay put.

As for DT, I was a fan of going after Haynesworth initially, but like most out there I've come to realize we aren't "a player away" from being a contender, and shouldn't put to much $ into one guy at this point(same goes for Suggs & Peppers at the DE position). I'd rather go after Chris Canty or Rocky Bernard (or preferably both) to bolster our D-line rotation with less of a price tag, and then draft a nose-tackle type in the middle/late rounds to add some beef.

Of course, current high-priced veterans will need to be cut to make room on the roster and under the cap for at least a couple of these guys. It's time for Griffin, Daniels, Washington, and Springs to go, to make room for some younger talent, be they free agents or draft picks.

My 2 cents...

Posted by: PDXskin | January 6, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

why change what had been working?

Let go of my Ego

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey Red, please tell us how in the world Clinton Portis will be any good at all in 3 years.

Jeeze, dude pretends to talk about football but when he really does he doesn't know crap.

Posted by: TheTruth11

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Why not?

What has he done that makes you think he won't be? Dude had his highest YPC since his years in Denver, the most carries he's had since 2005, was 4th in the league in rushing, and ended the season healthy. And he's 27 years old. Portis already isn't a home-run hitter, so any lost speed won't affect him. He's a purely awareness type runner, and damn good at that. Curtis Martin was putting up 1700 yards when he was 31 years old. What makes you think Portis would be any different?

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

i dont have time for a whole thesis here, but my take is the games 3/4 of preseason and opener Zorn...ie sticking in his offense regardless of readiness or skills of players...returned around week 8/9. In between he got spooked and had to win some games so a more blended offense that utilized the skills of the players and employed more max protect was placed in.

The false bravado of 6-2 and a feeling they were ready to "get it" saw a return to a "my system" approach.

Gawd I hate "my system" types. Look at Mike Tomlin...a 4-3 defensive defensive guy...who got to steelers and saw "hmmm a 3-4 is what these guys do, and do well, lets work with what we got and make some noise"

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

ugh...cp needs to give his legs,and his mouth a rest....

Was it more a case of teams adjusting to what the redskins were running though?

You have to change what had been working if it stopped working, and it did. Teams loaded up to stop the run, and the Passing game had no counter move....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

you implied it, dufus

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

++++CP- ....I just saying that was the same offense line we had to get to 6-2 and if u feel we weren't a good pass pro offense line and then we go and try to throw 50 passes... u cant control the FO, I'm gonna do my part to take care of CP.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 3:48 PM

JT-There were other cooks in the kitchn in the second half?
CP- YEAH.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 4:13 PM

I'm not understanding what Portis is saying. Is he saying that Zorn or Sherman Smith weren't the ones calling the plays in the first part of the season? Doesn't make sense that a position coach would be calling plays. What does this stuff about FO mean?+++++++

Maybe Larry Micheals has a bug in Zorn's ear? Something def changed after week 8.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 6, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Red you said 2 years I thought.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

this isn't hard. after they went 6-2, and ran the poop out of the ball, teams realized you load up to stop the run, then Moss is option 1, and Cooley is option 2.

It was the Redskins who had no counter move. They didn't throw the ball to ANYONE but Moss Cooley, they didn't use Betts until the Bamore game. They came out and tried to do the same thing over and over and over, and even though it wasn't working never made a change.

Portis should shut his mouth and work on breaking some long runs, and holding onto the ball better.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

greg, you're giving zorn too much credit. from whatever you've read so far about zorn, watched the games, you really think he is the guy for this job at this level? maybe high school but not in the nfl.

btw...one of my friends is a die hard patsy fan and a chowder head...before they won the superbowl he told me that bellichoke is a good coach and he got a raw deal in cleveland. what he did this year i think proves that he's a damn good coach and if he wins a superbowl without brady he'll be at the gibbsian level.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 6, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

mr21, you realize that wasnt Jasno's rankings, yes?

Posted by: Zeebs | January 6, 2009 4:16 PM |
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No? It reads just like one of the myriad emails I have from the chubby little cur.

But I'll stand back whilst his minions defend him on the blog - I know how important that is for you, him, and the "regulars."

So, get to work fighting your guts out for that fat bag of pus who has never written anything original in his life.

Mahalo

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 6, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I'll leave the compromising to the bootlicking "regulars" (i.e., former high school losers - now adult losers - who need a place to feel "accepted").

Selah.


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 6, 2009 4:06 PM


MrRedskins21 speaks Truth at an alarming rate.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 4:14 PM
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I'll bite. I have to on this one...

Man, are you retarded or something?

Let me get this straight; the people that are "dark clouds" of the blog are the same ones that you said are "a bunch of idiots" - with Mr.Redskin21 and myself listed among them. Then in turn when 'skin21 speaks on the post - you proclaim that he "he speaks the truth at an alarming rate"?

Yeah, that OFFICALLY did it for me. You are a little b*tch, who needs attention which is why you keep cutting and pasting my post, hoping, begging, and PRAYING that I respond. I have your lame ass pegged now for sure, boy.

It's funny that you agree with Mr.Redskin21's post, the latter part - "(i.e., former high school losers - now adult losers - who need a place to feel "accepted")." - describes you to the f'n 'T'!!!! Hell i couldn't have described your birdbrained ass any better myself.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, as a - now - infrequent poster I can't keep up with it all up here.

Beware Vernon Carey, he may be the second coming of Todd 'turnstile' Wade for you guys! If Parcells/Ireland would let him go, why do you want him? The Fins have way more cap space than the Skins, and can keep whoever they need. Same for Channing Crowder; I'd expect him to get signed in due course.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure that Huizenga told Parcells about Ross before Parcells signed - hence the get-out clause - so I'd be astounded if he left. But you never know I guess.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 6, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

deal, I'm giving zorn till the end of year 2 before I start to say whether he has it or not.....

also, a raw deal in cleveland?? how so??

Sounds like a typical homer, ask him why the pats didn't make the playoffs the ONE year in the last 6 that the other teams in the division didn't suck OUT LOUD....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow Red. Do you need a hug or something?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 6, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

sorry Red, but I didn't read the whole list. I saw your name a one or two other people so I just copied and pasted.

It's just a blog man. I can't recall ever seeing a post by MrRedskins21 before, or probably about half of the guys on that list. I actually don't even remember who was on the list other than you.

After looking it over, I think the two names that made me type that were you and sportsguru, but honestly that's kinda a no brainer.


but it's just a blog dude, and I already said you deserve 4 of the Tom Cruise Coach Lifts, so chill out, you're an awesome poster and that should make you feel better.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

thanks, alex. could've sworn I said two years "TOPS".
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Portis is great IMO, but I don't see him staying in DC any longer than two more years tops.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 3:53 PM
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Why not?

What has he done that makes you think he won't be? Dude had his highest YPC since his years in Denver, the most carries he's had since 2005, was 4th in the league in rushing, and ended the season healthy. And he's 27 years old. Portis already isn't a home-run hitter, so any lost speed won't affect him. He's a purely awareness type runner, and damn good at that. Curtis Martin was putting up 1700 yards when he was 31 years old. What makes you think Portis would be any different?

Posted by: psps23 | January 6, 2009 4:22 PM

psps, don't bother trying to reach or level with this clown of clowns. CP probably could still be effective in 3 years... the "assclown" is just trying to stir the pot and he spilled a little on you.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

rc, condo's on the loss this past weekend, you guys are headed in the right direction. I'd only go for Carey for a low money deal, and I'd prefer him to play G, instead of T.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Red, you crack me up, even when its me on the other end of your tirades.....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"Red, you crack me up, even when its me on the other end of your tirades.....

Posted by: chrislarry "

He's good for a laugh here or there, but I think he tries too hard sometimes.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I agree with those who chose "D" in my multiple choice hypothetical. I don't sign any of them and address all those spots in the draft and maybe target a lower profile f/a. Congrats...Cindy, get to smackin tush!!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

For the record I think CPs years depends on the other RB's we have spoting him

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I think our main man Clinton needs a hug though? Portis Pouty Face is showing through now instead of all the other characters he used to don.

The guy got 29 carries. TWENTY NINE in the last game!? Its the only way to get him the ball because he is "too good" to catch passes and run in the "flat". Sheesh. I'd start Betts.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

CP is a force but a declining one with a season long run of 31 yards. They really have to get someone else in here next season.

Since consensus seems to be OT #1, DT#3, sign one FA lineman on each side, LB in #5, I guess Redskins would have to get lucky with a 6th round + RB but I don't see how they can get by with just CP and Betts next year.

Posted by: zornskins2 | January 6, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse


Betts only had 61 carries last year. How many backs in the NFL can say they put up 5 100 yard games in a row? Betts can play. The Skins can use Portis, Betts and Cartwright like the Ravens and Giants use their backs. I heard Portis say he needs to "get in a flow". Too bad, too sad. Learn to make the most of every carry. Turner and Peterson got more carries, but they don't have Portis' tread.

And look how the Eagles, Chargers and Dolphins used their backs in the passing games. You don't need all-world receivers to move the chains passing the ball.

Carries from the best running teams:
Giants - Jacobs 219, Ward 182, Bradshaw 67
Falcons - Turner 376, Norwood 95 (and 36 receptions), Ryan 55
Panthers - Williams 273, Stewart 184
Ravens - McClain 232, McGahee 170, Rice 107, Flacco 52
Vikings - Peterson 363, Taylor 101 (and 45 receptions)

Redskins - Portis 342, Betts 61 (only 6 more than Flacco), Campbell 47

Posted by: saqster | January 6, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

No condolences necessary Greg. We got teh spanking we deserved because we got as far as our talent could possibly get us - and then a little bit further. That was our Super Bowl.

I expect Parcells/Ireland/Sparano are already working on the remaining pieces. We need an upgrade at QB for sure; Chad played superbly this year, but the two games against the Ravens showed up his weakest areas. We'll never beat a top-tier team with him at the helm, which is sad because he's a great guy.

I see us looking for a stronger-armed QB and at least 2 deep-threat receivers. Maybe if y'all get tired of Jason Campbell you can send him our way?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 6, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

We don't need to sign any big free agents just because we're the Washington Redskins. A player can go to 31 NFL teams and do well as a big name free agent, but he comes here and he'll be a bust and just make everyone laugh at us again, kinda like RedDMV going to his high-school reunion.

Just draft people.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

This is the NFC East. The throwback, neanderthal division. I think it makes sense to stick with a 4-3 D. Esp since we have such good DBs. Yes, we need to improve the DL and get some young LBs, but why make radical changes?

The coach needs to implement the plays and schemes based on the team's personnel and their skills. Is this the difference between 6-2 and 8-8? I don't know for sure. But I did see the OL get beat play after play, running or passing. Throw that together with some bad routes and a little pass rush and it didn't take much for the wheels to come off.


Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 6, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Listen so you'll understand me sh*t-for-brains, mkay, you ready???

I didn't care about the post then, I don't care about it now, and I won't care about it in 5 minutes. I think it's childish and very lame to list "your favorite people", WTF, are we in high school, when at the end of the year you hand out superlatives to your peers? That person who posted that nonsense (aka Truth), is a teenie bopping bama that called out for their d-baggery.

I don't want or need nothing from you or anybody, been making it work on my own for a very long time. I'm not dependant on anyone unlike you f@#kstick.

But do ask one thing of you, a favor if you will - take you TCCL's and shove 'em up your ass, you tarded clownboy!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

could not agree more with the post about the carries....I've been screaming for this all year long.

No point in having betts on the team if you're not going to use him.

Next year portis needs to carry it about 275 times, and Betts 150...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"Turner and Peterson got more carries, but they don't have Portis' tread."

I think portis would eventually be fine sharing the load some, especially if it helped his overall production.

Also in the Turner/Peterson example they were spelled more than Portis even while rushing more. Norwood and Chester Taylor were active back ups.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

sorry Red but I didn't post my favorite people on here

Over half of them I can't even recall, and the dude that posted that had plenty of lame people as the best posters.

I can't really think of anyone on here who I really like.

but feel free to keep saying I was the lamer who posted that, I don't really care.

Again, it's just a blog. Check your heart rate, loser.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I mean come on, that guy had CORK of all people as one of his favorite people.

Cork, is an idiot.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

truth/red, for the sanity of the rest of us, can you two either knock it off, or take it elsewhere....not trying to be the blog police, but enough is enough....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 6, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"I can't really think of anyone on here who I really like."

lemme rephrase that cause some of yall seem decent enough, I can't really think of anyone on here who I like enough to make a post about liking you

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

i disagree keep it up, far more entertaining than people's pointless quick fix schemes for the Skins....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Are we still talking about Longtime Lurker's TCCLs? You keep doing that and you'll grow hair on your palms. Really.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 6, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I could always post another mock draft.


and did Red just say something about how he doesn't need me to take care of him?

I would hope not...


dude is weird lol

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

One minor comment in the Portis thing was about an RB getting into a groove. I see that, players get a feel for the game as it goes on. Which is why I'd designate Betts the feature back about 4 games a year. Instead of just giving Betts more carries every game, let him carry it 25 times to get into that groove in those 4 games. Portis gets 4 games a year with 'light duty'. What I like is that this saves CP for December, when he is at his best.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Truth,
I know you're offended by being called a "regular."

How about an "irregular?"

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 6, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow I'm talking football (at least I'll try).

Or I could come back later on when TheTruth is having a one on one session with his in-house "special needs" tutor.

Is this before or after your mother applies the blue star ointment to your scalp for that nasty case of ringworms?

F it I'll come back this evening right around the time, you don your PJs with the footies on them, you know, right around your mommy comes to tuck you in...

Speaking of mommies, I have some advice for her - f it, nevermind. She, in ways like you and unlike you, just isn't worth it.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"Are we still talking about Longtime Lurker's TCCLs? You keep doing that and you'll grow hair on your palms. Really.


Posted by: _Stumped_ |"

I honestly think Red got upset he didn't get a higher rating and he began insulting me as a result.

I tried to give him a higher rating but he wouldn't accept it.

Poor guy.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

There are just 2 problems with that Mr. Truth:

1. As people like to remind me we only have 4 picks. ONLY 4. We need more.

2. When we have more picks we tend to waste them under the management of Snidely Owl and Vinnie. Clearly things improved some with Joe Gibbs in the mix. G. Williams and his folk got a lot of say and we got Carlos Rogers, Jason Campbell, Sean Taylor and LaRon Landry. Far, far better than Michael Westbrook, Rod Gardner, Taylor Jacobs etc, etc.

3. Look at this year's draft. Vinnie says be patient? His top receiver came to camp out of shape and completely unprepared. He drafted the other even though he had persistent knee problems. Except for the defensive backs in the lower rounds the jury is definitely out with this draft.

FA's do not require draft picks. Trades do. So, perhaps what you should say is FA some, trade not at all unless for someone special, and draft, draft, draft.


"Just draft people.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6"

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"Speaking of mommies, I have some advice for her - f it, nevermind. She, in ways like you and unlike you, just isn't worth it.

Posted by: RedDMV"

says the guy who got upset about his rating on a blog

later Red, you are good for a couple laughs. Have a good day.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

CONTEST UPDATE: Will take entries until the end of the week. Then I'll post them for review and anyone who wants to add/make changes can do it. Will close it about this time next week. So far, looks like about 50 entries. If you could put CONTEST ENTRY above the entry, it'll be easier to spot when I check for them

THE CONTEST IS:
Make a statement that will be kind of true one year from now (related to the Skins, of course). The most outrageous statement that is in the ballpark, wins. Up to 5 statements per person.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

At least you guys made the list.

I blame my boss for making me work all dam day instead of allowing me to get my post count up.

I'd like to think I'm worth 2 TCL's on potential alone.

Posted by: Predator48 | January 6, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, RI hamsters always eschew critical acclaim of any sort, trying only to keep it zen-like, keep it present and keep it real.

Zilla's response at 2:06, is a perfect example, there's a stillness and tranquility that just can't be apprehended.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 6, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Are we still talking about Longtime Lurker's TCCLs? You keep doing that and you'll grow hair on your palms. Really.


Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 6, 2009 4:56 PM

I tried explaining this to TheTruth's mom, but she insisted she wanted her son to stay a virgin until he was married.

---------------------------

bean, my bad, true this is getting lame now, and even I'm starting to lose interest. but the dude reminds me of a sow bug - you poke at it; it'll clam up or try to run - eventually you get bored and just kill the poor bastard.

In a minute he'll get on his e-mo 'ish and cry and complain about how I cursed at him, talked about him and his family, said his breath stinks, and he doesn't belive in Jesus.

Somebody get this sorry, poor bastard a rag (yeah of that variety) a kleenex, and a woman.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

If they fix the OL you could pretty much RUN Portis, Betts, or Rock interchangeably. There surely are FA running backs they can pick up as well. We've seen how hard it is to just find a guard to fill a gaping hole!

That's why you use this draft to fix the OL issues for the next 5-7 years. That is probably what many other teams plan to do. Send Bugle or whomever to find the best talent available.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"Speaking of mommies, I have some advice for her - f it, nevermind. She, in ways like you and unlike you, just isn't worth it.

Posted by: RedDMV"

says the guy who got upset about his rating on a blog

later Red, you are good for a couple laughs. Have a good day.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 6, 2009 5:04 PM

"says the guy who got upset about his rating on a blog"

What in the HELL does this mean? What does this have to do with your mother?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

i disagree keep it up, far more entertaining than people's pointless quick fix schemes for the Skins....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 4:54 PM

... but less entertaining than the 1970s era, pre-Brazilian wax Dr. Laura ...

[See also Stumped's hairy palms]

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Nats must now be after Dunn and Hudson. Fat chance of landing them though. Sez they are going to fill CF with Elijah Dukes. Milledge is too much of a corner guy. With Willougby perhaps Dunn ends up at first. But Nick Johnson is way too good a hitter and fielder to pass up ... until he gets hurt. So, a Dunn would end up in the outfield as well.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

What in the HELL does this mean? What does this have to do with your mother?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 5:13 PM


You guys should settle this with a session of 'Yo Momma' cracks.

The guy with the best lines, as judged by RI, or Cindy, can be declared the winner.

Posted by: Predator48 | January 6, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

BTW, If you didn't see your name you get 1 TCCL.

I guess we should christen a new gauge for measuring a "negative" Richter Scale? How about SNVs? Snidely Owl Vinnsters?

100000 SNVs (remember these are negative) for longtimelurker for creating such havoc and in one post?

100 SNV's for RedDMV for encouraging even more. If you aren't careful the list could end up on permanently on the WIKI!

"1 TCCL. These are all the people who don't appear in one of the other four groups. If you don't see your name elsewhere, it belongs here. Except I can't remember who you are and there are so many, I can't list them all."

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

1 TCCL

Finally, some F'ing recognition!

Posted by: Predator48 | January 6, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

This is from the Skins site about Springs:

Springs does believe the Redskins are headed in the right direction, whether he is a part of it or not.

“I think we have a great coach in Jim Zorn and I know he really hurts when we lose,” Springs said. “I’ve had an opportunity to know Coach Zorn almost 10 years because he was the quarterbacks coach in Seattle when I was there. I think this organization is lucky to have a coach like that because he’s passionate and hard-working. He’s going to get it together.”

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Springs_Keeping_His_Options_Open_30740.jsp

This is the kind of stuff you say when you are uncertain about getting a paycheck next season. If you are locked up for another three years (Portis, Cooley), you say whatever is on your mind.

Me player = long term contract signed.

Team player = hoping for a long term contract.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

This is the kind of stuff you say when you are uncertain about getting a paycheck next season. If you are locked up for another three years (Portis, Cooley), you say whatever is on your mind.

You are exactly right. Springs is trying to stay on the gravy train for as long as he can. Nobody else is gonna give him what he's already making here.

Personally I'd cut him and move on because the guy can't stay on the field for even half a season.

Posted by: Predator48 | January 6, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Now THIS is interesting ... I was unaware that Dawkins was going to be a free agent. He's one of those over-priced-free-agent-band-aids-until-we-can-get-around-to-drafting-someone-there guys I wouldn't mind picking up so that Springs could go and free up Landry to play strong safety again (and, of course, keeping Horton as the nickel safety/Cobra guy whatever). Dawkins could be our Troy Vincent-like, low cost, career-twilight stitch in time.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&page=predictions09/chadiha

5. Brian Dawkins, FS, Philadelphia Eagles

Why he could be gone: Since when do the Eagles care about sentimentality? They've cut ties with every aging star they've had during the Andy Reid era, and Dawkins knows this as well as anybody. He has watched friends like Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor and Jeremiah Trotter all leave town once they got older. Now that Dawkins is 35, he should realize he'll be next now that his contract is expiring.

Where he will end up: Two places come to mind: Washington and Chicago. The Redskins' secondary hasn't been nearly as threatening since Pro Bowl safety Sean Taylor was murdered in 2007, and Bears free safety Mike Brown has finished the past five seasons on injured reserve. But because a choice has to be made, we'll go with Washington. We all know Redskins owner Daniel Snyder loves to pay for aging, high-priced talent.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I guess we should christen a new gauge for measuring a "negative" Richter Scale? How about SNVs? Snidely Owl Vinnsters?

100000 SNVs (remember these are negative) for longtimelurker for creating such havoc and in one post?

100 SNV's for RedDMV for encouraging even more. If you aren't careful the list could end up on permanently on the WIKI!


"1 TCCL. These are all the people who don't appear in one of the other four groups. If you don't see your name elsewhere, it belongs here. Except I can't remember who you are and there are so many, I can't list them all."

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 5:26 PM

We already did this, it is a JZPP (Jim Zorn Podium Pound)named when he went after that, ahem, reporter, earlier in the year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse


Nah, rather use Shawn Springs, local boy, a CB. Still pretty fast, can still cover the top wide-outs.

> 5. Brian Dawkins, FS, Philadelphia Eagles

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Nose tackles?? The Redskins play a 4-3, not a 3-4. They have defensive tackles, but there is not a "nose tackle" position to play.

Posted by: ygbrown2001 | January 6, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

dawkins is a terrific player, but the Skins have no reason to think short term this offseason. They are not one player away, they do have significant cap issues and the DBs is an area of considerable strength -- though the espn guy doesn't seem to know that.

The Skins don't need to add dawkins to Vinny's Fridge.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

By conservative count of the last several posts, and their obvious consensus, the Redskins need not less than 46 draft choices in rounds 1-3. ROFLMAO!!!!

Posted by: forces | January 6, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: columbiard | January 6, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

They need to learn from the Nats. Try not to sign anyone more than 28 years old who is not a long-term solution. They've been doing the aging FA thing to "patch enough" to get to the playoffs long enough.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if y'all get tired of Jason Campbell you can send him our way?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 6, 2009 4:46 PM |
=============================================
Good point, and exactly why we should keep him. Fix the O.L., and the rest of the picture will start to fall in place.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 6, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Portis had more carries this year (342 vs 325), because Betts was injured and missed a quarter of the season. Portis also caught 28 receptions for 218 yds and Betts made 22 catches for 200 yd. Portis averages 320 rushing attempts and 36 catches per season.

I'm not sure why the coaches didn't use Rock more -- particularly when Portis and the O-line got nicked up... However it's a fact that injuries to the OL and RBs are a big reason why the team went 2 and 6 in the final 8 games. Portis needed just 13 more yards to make 1,500. I'm sure he would have made that personal goal if the OL was healthy for the whole season.

Posted by: siris | January 6, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I like Portis on the field, but he is a complete ass! The team loses, doesn't make the playoffs he throws the coach under the bus.

Parcells, Bellichick definitely get rid of this guy, but we make excuses for him.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 6, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

ricky -- we just don't pay Portis enough for him to be a 'team' guy ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

My general FA philosophy: 24-26 years of age, on their 2nd contract. You want to catch guys coming into their prime or just in it, so you get 3-4 years of prime play from them, but just before they can command the All-Pro contract.

Relying on the draft to pick up someone who can make an immediate, pro-bowl level impact is wishful thinking. Even if we hit the jackpot, you're still looking at 2010-11 before you get consistent, high-level play from that draft class.

The other wild card is Jason Campbell. If JC makes Eli Manning-esque growth next year then we're ok, if not then you have to look at finding competition or a long-term replacement.

As a businessman Snyder has never impressed me as a long-term guy. For the past 10 years he's tried to 'win now', and this team has been stuck in neutral (at best) the whole time. We've been teased into thinking we're "one player away' or "a coach/coordinator' away, that plugging the wholes in the dam with gum and fingers will prevent the onslaught and turn back the tide; This team does not strike fear in anyone, and without players will never have that psych advantage great teams have.

10-6 or 11-5 at the outside will be acceptable next year, but the goal is 11 or more wins every year, a´ la´ Steelers, Pats, Colts, Giants.

Posted by: pdfordiii | January 6, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Relying on the draft to pick up someone who can make an immediate, pro-bowl level impact is wishful thinking. Even if we hit the jackpot, you're still looking at 2010-11 before you get consistent, high-level play from that draft class.
==========================================
But that is how we got a Chris Samuels, and the fact that it could take two years for our next one to make an impact makes it even more imperative to make the pick this year.

This year, when we have a high pick and the 1st round will be full of high quality O.T. talent.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 6, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

10-6 or 11-5 at the outside will be acceptable next year, but the goal is 11 or more wins every year, a´ la´ Steelers, Pats, Colts, Giants.

Posted by: pdfordiii | January 6, 2009 7:29 PM

Agreed but the Giants arent an 11 win every year team. 10 last year and a wild card spot. 8-8 the year before.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd be happy to accept a 10 win season, a wild card spot, and a Super Bowl trophy.

Any year!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 6, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't it be up to Zorn to provide the consequences? He had the opportunity to bench if he saw fit.

Posted by: psps23 ++++

sorry for just now getting back to you.

That is my point exactly! If Zorn had the backing of the FO, then maybe he'd have the ability to discipline his players. I think he doesn't have the backing, so therefore he is hamstrung. IMHO.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 6, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
Let us all rejoice, our season just started.
Now that JLC is talking about Albert Haynesworth which, eventually, will be a bust; remember Dan Wilkinson? Somehow good washed out players find their ways to Washington, and I don't blame any of those retirement home superstars; a fool with money.........
Whats wrong with drafting your own players. If Vinny don't know how to draft, beg Parcels for tips. Kudos and Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | January 6, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

it'll take a minor miracle for this team to win 7 games next year. Too many holes to fill, not enough picks/young talent/cap space to fill them. Maybe we get to .500 if we play the AFC West.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The whole deal about Haynesworth reminds me of Dana Stubblefield (remember him?). Dana became a beast in SanFran during his contract year; then became a Skin and vanished.

The DT position is important no doubt. But to say it's the most important on the line doesn't do justice to the importance of DE. Both have equal importance and make one another better or worse. No pass rush up the middle simply makes for a pretty pocket. No pass rush on the ends becomes a bootleggin', play action, athletic QB's heaven.

If we do get Haynesworth (and you can cool best believe that some "unnamed source" will happen to mention Dan Snyder's name to ESPN just to make Haynesworth grow even more), I would simply hope that he plays with that gear he has currently.

Posted by: Tymmel44 | January 6, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Self-referential blog popularity contests are the stuff of Crowd Noise, not RI. RI is an organic experience driven by internally cross-referenced jibba jabba.

Self-referential blog popularity contests = power rankings ... O TCCLs.

THANK YOU. Yet again sween, your eloquence and insight knows no bounds.

Agreed Panthers goin to the house. Solid QB that's been there, electric WR, 2 stud RB's and a good if not great D...sounds like a pretty Super recipe

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

The whole deal about Haynesworth reminds me of Dana Stubblefield (remember him?). Dana became a beast in SanFran during his contract year; then became a Skin and vanished.

The DT position is important no doubt. But to say it's the most important on the line doesn't do justice to the importance of DE. Both have equal importance and make one another better or worse. No pass rush up the middle simply makes for a pretty pocket. No pass rush on the ends becomes a bootleggin', play action, athletic QB's heaven.

If we do get Haynesworth (and you can cool best believe that some "unnamed source" will happen to mention Dan Snyder's name to ESPN just to make Haynesworth grow even more), I would simply hope that he plays with that gear he has currently.

Posted by: Tymmel44 | January 6, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I'd be happy to accept a 10 win season, a wild card spot, and a Super Bowl trophy.

Any year!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 6, 2009 8:22 PM |

I'll buy that, just want to keep the facts straight. The Giants aren't put together like the Colts, Steelers, and Pats who consistently draft, play, sign FA's, and coach well. They've got a good mix right now but aren't in the league of the others as far as perennial contenders. Having said that they are in the league of the Colts and Steelers as far as Super Bowl wins and if they were in those other teams divisions they could possibly make the playoffs every year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

it'll take a minor miracle for this team to win 7 games next year. Too many holes to fill, not enough picks/young talent/cap space to fill them. Maybe we get to .500 if we play the AFC West.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2009 8:44 PM |

Hard to say what will happen in the NFC East. We will get an easier schedule thanks to the 8-8 record but having to play 6 games in the division is always tough. I'll make the same prediction (right now, 9-7) that I made at the beginning of this year without the knowledge of the schedule and what the roster will actually be. Obviously this may change.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm going with the "even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while" theory/hope this draft. Vinny will throw a dart at the draft board whilst sipping bubbly out of one of Danny's loafers that he just polished and pick the next Joe Jacoby in the 3rd round. Or he might trade all our picks to move up and get Crabtree. Redskins draft day - it's not just a job, it's an adventure.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

sween, I love Dawkins (as much as I can love an Eagle) but he is 35. I think Horton and Landry, both 24, can be a terrific tandem for years to come. This seems like a luxury signing that we probably can't afford. That said, it wouldn't surprise in the least if we made a run at him.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 6, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Forget Haynesworth; the Titans are on the verge of the Super Bowl; if they get there, win or lose, Haynesworth may rest on those laurels. I suspect Snyder's reputation as a cash cow contributes to players treating the 'Skins as easy money. Cats don't come here to win; they come here to get paid. Another part of my FA equation: get hungry guys, not greedy guys. You want guys looking to prove something vs. looking for a reward. Randy Moss wanted a Super Bowl, and was only a few seconds and a great play from it.

How we handle Rogers and Haynesworth will say a lot about this franchise, and I'm afraid it will be the same sad song we always hear. It's been frustrating as hell to watch Snyder get stingy with the wrong people (Champ Bailey), but spend like Mack the Knife on others (list too long to name). KEEP YOUR YOUNG, HUNGRY GUYS; how can you not show faith in Rogers after playing as he did throughout the year? With the 'Skins' "whiskey delta" pass rush, and their affinity towards press coverage, imagine how much more dominant they could have been with a real pass rush?
If you pray to a God get on your knees and beg for the blessings of wisdom & courage for the Snyderrato.

Posted by: pdfordiii | January 6, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

2 TCCLs. Sometimes worth reading. Every now and then there's something clever in these guys' posts.

4thFloor
alex35332
brownwood26
dealer
JM220
scottcampbell
talent_evaluator
TheTruth11


Posted by: longtimelurker | January 6, 2009 10:59 AM


2 TCCLs obviously = Free Thinker/Haters on the Blog (meaning we most of the time don't agree with the blog posters on analysis).

Just move Truth up to 3 and DMV to 2 and you would have scored 100%...

So LongtimeLurker = along the lines of JLaC backer. Easy to see that.

Great honor to be in with the free thinkers that don't always look at the glass as half empty.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

"There is no one in the mold of the Wall of Williams in Minnesota, Grady Jackson, Dockett, Rodgers, Ngata, Hampton, or even some of the more athletic nose tackle/leverage guys like a Ratliff or Kelly Gregg.
"

JLaC - Only ONE of these players play in a 4-3. The rest are 3-4 guys..........

Moot Point....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow... and I thought nothing could cause us to deviate from a complete, thorough, colon-cleansing inspection of the top 5000 mock drafts Up Here.
The complete, concise description of Hamster Nation has already been written, on page 42 of The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
"Mostly Harmless. Except Prison Balls."

Posted by: daggar | January 6, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Wow!

No note of how Montgomery has become pregressively better, which showed in the latter part of the season.

Next year will be Montgomery's break-out year.

Comparing Golston to Noble = Wow. Noble was a 13/14 year vet when the skins had him. Golston is a great overacheiver, I agree. But he is still going UP while Noble was already plataeuing......

The only thing that this teams needs is one consistent 300 lbs DLineman via Free Agency or the Draft as far as Dlineman go. Don't go changing everyone now. Montgomery/Golston/Alexander are a good players to have in the rotation, and they were all drafted by the redskins........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

And yes, I am a little miffed that I only got 2 TCCLs...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2009 12:06 PM

See 10:34 pm post......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Did everyone catch this?

a) I'm not sure my 13-year-old could figure out how to get to school. She sure wouldn't be caught dead trying.
2) Some people are really motivated to eat a good breakfast.
%) It's the dawn of the new, less stuffy WaPo: "He was not identified because he is, well, 6."

Posted by: daggar | January 6, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

JLaC - Only ONE of these players play in a 4-3. The rest are 3-4 guys..........

Moot Point....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Just to be snarky, the Wall of Williams in Minnesota is actually 2 guys (Kevin and Pat Williams), not 1

Just to be real snarky, who knew a random blog post reviewing readers' comments could cause such a firestorm. Shouldn't the serious football withdrawl pains/jag occur around early March?

Adam

Posted by: wtf_is_up_with_wp_registration | January 6, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

"Mostly Harmless. Except Prison Balls."

Posted by: daggar | January 6, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Be careful, dagger. You're angling for a colon shanking.

Adam

Posted by: wtf_is_up_with_wp_registration | January 6, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh please tell me 'longtimelurker', what could I do to get back in your good graces? Sacrifice a goat? Give blood? Join the peace corps?


Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2009 12:18 PM

Agree with JLaC All the freakin time.

And ofcourse LTL is not a LTL but actually is a regular who often disagrees with MR21, JM220, TE, 4th, Brownwood, and you see the pattern.

He either put himself in the 3 or 3 TCCLs category.

The Truth is obvious because he looks out of place in 2 TCCLs compared to the rest of the posters put in there.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Scampbell -- 7 wins based on this team won't be as good next year as this year.

The O-line, which collapsed and the team sunk as a result, is a year older. The only O lineman that is getting better is Heyer, and if he's starting, its not a good thing. Portis and Moss aren't likely to improve and ARE is about at his limit.

JC, Cooley and the rookie WRs could improve, but the rookies didn't show signs of adequate-ness, let alone greatness.

On the 'D', the secondary was great, but its not clear that it will stay intact. At LB, Fletcher is aging, Washington is as good as gone and Rocky's knees are a risk. On the DL, Taylor, Carter and Griffin are all expensive starters ... and all would go if we could afford it.

The real issue is that there are several guys on the decline, and we either live with them or replace them. But we don't appear to have many replacements on the roster and don't have cap room to bring in replacements via free agency

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Also, stop pimping Haynesworth.

He will not be leaving Tennesse........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

4th are you done patting yourself on the back there free thinker?

b/c brandon noble was in the NFL for 6 seasons not 14/15 (99-05)

Someone had a steaming cup of "Full of yo self"

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Just watched "The Wrestler"

wow great movie!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Career sacks leader Bruce Smith, Rod Woodson, Shannon Sharpe and John Randle are among the 15 finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the only first-year eligible players to make the final round this year.

Joining them will be two contributors: former commissioner Paul Tagliabue and Buffalo Bills owner Ralph Wilson, as well as two senior nominees selected last August by the Senior Committee: former Atlanta defensive end Claude Humphrey and former Dallas wide receiver Bob Hayes.

Of the other finalists, only former Pittsburgh center Dermontti Dawson and former Seattle defensive lineman Cortez Kennedy have not been finalists before.

The rest: wide receivers Cris Carter and Andre Reed; defensive end Richard Dent; guards Russ Grimm, Bob Kuechenberg and Randall McDaniel; and linebacker Derrick Thomas.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

4th are you done patting yourself on the back there free thinker?

b/c brandon noble was in the NFL for 6 seasons not 14/15 (99-05)

Someone had a steaming cup of "Full of yo self"

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 11:11 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Noble

His rookie year was 1997. He came in 2004.

So we both were wrong. He came in as an 8 year Vet to the team. With that I think my point still stands clear.

Cl - No more Inet at the job, so I have to rant for the day when kids go to sleep.

Don't tell me theory makes no sense either. Don't you see it too? Or do I think too much? I'm just commenting because I see that took up most of peeps time here today.

And, it's the offseason. And Philly is about to go up to the Meadowlands and for a tie game in the playoffs....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

4th...your theory makes no sense...it was just some dudes random thoughts...

but love the attitude as always!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Also, stop pimping Haynesworth.

He will not be leaving Tennesse........

Ummmm, you're new, so I just want to let you know that reality isn't really that strong a consideration Up Here.

Posted by: daggar | January 6, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

And I can appreciate his random thoughts.

But were they really random? It didn't appear so.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

And Philly is about to go up to the Meadowlands and for a tie game in the playoffs....

When the 2nd overtime starts, do you think we'll get a shot of McNabb saying "Heyyyy, wait a minute!"

Posted by: daggar | January 6, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Yes. Yes we will.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

"[along with the rest of the 3 TCCL group] usually worth reading, often have good insight and express it well..."

"thinks he owns the place...

F this... anybody who thinks I have had good insight about anything at any point is not a careful reader and should get the hell off my goddamned blog.

But seriously, my favorite part of the longtimelurker thing was the false start at 10:57am. Well, that and the mild hullabaloo/distraction which followed sporadically for the rest of the day. Anything to take our minds off the woe-begotten Redskins, I guess...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 6, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who think HAYNESWORTH will not leave the TITANS I gotta' know what you're smokin'. Its all about the money and the only d-line player that will be signed is EVANS. That's CARTER, GRIFFIN, and TAYLOR money in the bank against the cap. UNCLE DANNY's already instructed VINNIE to make it happen.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 7, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato is not a bad judge of talent. Since 1999, there was only one draft that Vinny wasn't a part of. That was 2001 (the Rod Gardner draft).

In the other years from 1999 to now, this is the list of successful Vinny picks in rounds 1-3:

Champ Bailey, Jon Jansen, Lavar Arrington, Chris Samuels, Ladell Betts, Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley, Derrick Dockerry, Jason Campbell, Carlos Rogers, Rocky Macintosh, Laron Landry

Here's the list of busts:

Lloyd Harrison (3rd round), Patrick Ramsey (1st round), Taylor Jacobs (2nd round), Rashad Bouman (3rd round), Cliff Russell (3rd round)

That's 12 successful picks with only 5 busts, and 3 of the busts were 3rd rounders. That's actually a really good percentage.

My problem with Cerrato is that he has no idea how to do anything else. He's a glorified scout. He doesn't know how to value FAs, doesn't know how to value the current players on his roster, doesn't understand the value of draft picks, doesn't understand the nuances of how age affects players, doesn't know how to mesh players so that a roster resembles a team instead of a collection of talent, doesn't properly value positions on the field the way he should, doesn't know how to properly mesh a roster in order to fit the system this team employs, and never has a viable plan for how to get where he envisions the team to be in the future (if he has a vision for the future at all).

ALL he can do is evaluate talent. That's it. He knows nothing else of how to build a team. And this is the reason you constantly hear the players say (and why you think to yourself) that this team has its share of talent, yet is constantly underachieving.

A true general manager is needed here (captain obvious). Keep Vinny as a scout if you want, but get someone in here that knows how to build a TEAM, not just evaluate talent.

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

... and you could make the argument that Ramsey was a bust only because of the incapable hands of one Steve Spurrier.

But you have to evaluate the GM based on wins/losses and how he's set up the team for future progress. On wins/losses, he gets a C. His coach, his players, his draft -- they didn't embarrass themselves, but their performance was simply not good enough.
Are we set up for the future? On defense, London Fletcher is the key person. Everyone else is -- to some extent -- justaguy. [I'll give you LaRon as an excellent player with a ton of upside, but if he's hurt, we have a plan]. It's interesting that, without any HOFers -- or even Pro Bowlers -- they've been so effective for five years. No one on that side of the ball screams "elite", yet other teams have trouble scoring. Even the pasting they took last year against the Pats was a case in point. Sean Taylor out, Smoot unable to go, Rogers goes on IR in the first quarter, Soup coughs up four turnovers against one of the hottest offenses in history -- talk about a perfect storm!
On offense, I can't tell if the people aren't good enough, or the coaching not there yet, or what. Soup is a middle-tier QB, still has potential upside, but the clock is ticking. I love watching Portis as a fan. The WRs and TEs look decent on paper [look at the final scout.com 2008 WR & TE draft depth charts -- Davis, Thomas, and Kelly were three of the four "five star" pass catchers in the draft]. Who knows how they'll turn out, but you draft on potential and ability to fit your system, right?
But overall, the offense looked tentative, sloppy, confused for large numbers of plays. Just like under Weird Al. And under Gibbs 2.1. And under Spurrier. And under MumbleMouth. And under Petitbon.

Posted by: daggar | January 7, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

+++To me, this seems like the position to address FIRST in the draft.

Posted by: dcsween+++

The same argument can be equally well made for about 4-5 other positions--and that, in a nutshell, is the problem.

Posted by: TheCork | January 7, 2009 1:34 AM | Report abuse

can't believe I'm 3 tccl's....thats just crap....if corky is 4, then I'm 11-teen at least.....

Carter wont be cut...not a chance....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

One of your many problems is your insecurity. You like, many here take limitless shots at the guy running the board, but one anonymous blogger, who admits never posting before and shows no credentials, doesn't give you a perfect grade, and you cry like a little Girl.

Grow a pair, son. Havign a strongly held opinion ainr for Sissies.

Now before you weep some more, let me add--we kid because we love...

Posted by: TheCork | January 7, 2009 1:47 AM | Report abuse

KFC is not only now the Official wing sponsor of the NFL but the official deep fried Rat sponsor as well. KFC is the most discussing fried chicken chain out there, if you are over 18 and still like KFC then you need to try some popeyes it will blow your mind.

Posted by: alex35332

Come to LA, Alex. Try Roscoe's Chicken 'n' waffles.

Posted by: TheCork | January 7, 2009 1:50 AM | Report abuse

psps -- you make a very good point about Vinny. He does do OK in identifying talent. Though the 2008 draft looks like its going to lower his batting average a good bit.

I'd add to your rant that Vinny doesn't know how to plan. 2 years ago, I suggested (with a bit of hyperbole) that the Skins use every draft pick on the OL. Why? Because it takes a couple years to develop a lineman and our line seemed to be getting older. It wasn't some great insight, just looking at a simple fact, the age of the players.

Last year, I suggested 4 OL, 2 DL, 2 LB and 1 WR or DB (they had 9 picks at the time I wrote it). Why? Same issue with the OL. On the DL, we had Griffin and Daniels aging. At LB, Fletcher and Washington aging, with Rocky's knees a risk.

On the DL, we had injury/performance issues with Taylor, Carter, Griffin and Daniels. At LB, Fletcher was hurting, Rocky's knees held up, barely and Washington was injured (again).

And we all know the OL story.

What's hard is to see Vinny miss the obvious.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2009 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth might not be a bad idea. One of his biggest detractions (stomping on a Cowboy) could be a positive to Skins fans. Hopefully we could get him relatively cheap. I still like Griffin but his salary is high and his stats have continued to decline. Haynesworth is still young at 27 but possibly old enough to have matured and not be a problem. Though I'm leaning more tward his partner in crime Tony Brown who had an extra tackle for the season. Tenn. had 27th and 29th in the league tacklers at Tackle. The Vikings were even better having Williams 10th, Allen 21st, and Edwards 21st in the NFL for total tackles by a Defensive lineman. As DT goes what about Domata Peko? Peko who? He led the NFL's DTs in tackles. I'm not saying he's the man. If we could steal a Justin Tuck I could wear a evil genius grin into the season. But Peko is a 3rd year guy who would have led our '08 D-line in tackles as a rookie backup.
Our D-line went 80th (Carter), 95th (Evans), 116th (Taylor the 8.5 million dollar man) and Golston, Griffin, and Monty at 125,135 and 157 respectively. I agree about Golston's play and some of the games he looked great. Monty and Heyer need serious off-season workouts to step it up. But Haynesworth's penchant for fighting teamates might also be a positive. Maybe it would make our over-hyped beloved O-line look bad in practice? At least there is fight but fight and dedication are two different things. Fat contracts and a certain age... Taylor is 2 years older than Griffin, what were they thinking? Makes me want to raid the Wala Wala highschool roster.

Posted by: chavez66 | January 7, 2009 5:58 AM | Report abuse

And yes, I am a little miffed that I only got 2 TCCLs...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2009 12:06 PM

See 10:34 pm post......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2009 10:57 PM


Got if 4th...good call.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2009 6:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm just now seeing this RI grading by the longtimelurker. Interesting. Seems it's got some peoples panties in a bunch. I guess I can only aspire to move up from the 2 TCCL level. I guess with a job that now keeps me away from a desk most of the time that may not happen. Anyways, my thoughts on the Redskins needs...we need a lot. That is all. Gotta run, HAIL!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 7, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Clearly things improved some with Joe Gibbs in the mix. G. Williams and his folk got a lot of say and we got Carlos Rogers, Jason Campbell, Sean Taylor and LaRon Landry. Far, far better than Michael Westbrook, Rod Gardner, Taylor Jacobs etc, etc.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 5:02 PM |

periculum,

Again please do some research before you post these dumb a$$ comments.

First off we gave up picks to get JC when we did'nt have to, and the jury is still way out on him.

Carlos had a good year but still can't catch, it took him 4 years to become a good player.

The other two were very good picks.

You left out all the bad moves by Gibbs and his staff, you mentioned Greg Williams who pushed for Archuletta, what about Saunders who pushed for Lloyd.

Michael Westbrook was drafted 4 years before Snyder got the team.

Rod Gardner was a Marty pick Vinny was doing TV.

Taylor Jacobs was all Spurrier he had just played for him for 4 years, that was a give a pick to the coach deal.

There are books you can buy about the team, to make you more knowlegable, or there is this new thing called the internet that has some good reference material.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Nah, rather use Shawn Springs, local boy, a CB. Still pretty fast, can still cover the top wide-outs.

Posted by: periculum | January 6, 2009 5:56 PM |

Great point lets use a guy that can only get on the field for 9 games as our starting Free saftey, when cutting him would clear up big cap room to sign other players at actual areas of need.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Great point lets use a guy that can only get on the field for 9 games as our starting Free saftey, when cutting him would clear up big cap room to sign other players at actual areas of need.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2009 7:50 AM

I'm with you Flounder. I'm reeeealy sick of Springs's schtick (training elsewhere in the offseason, refusing to rework his contract, injured or battling injuries most of the time). Time to get younger at that spot. With Horton developing and resigning Hall likely, there's no need to bring him back.

That said, save the cash on Dawkins. Nice player but an expensive stop-gap measure we don't need...which probably means Redskin One will be in Philly next month.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 7, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

There is ZERO chance that Dawk ends up in DC. Thats just foolish to even report...especially when he's 35 years old..

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 7, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

There is ZERO chance that Dawk ends up in DC. Thats just foolish to even report...especially when he's 35 years old..

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 7, 2009 8:02 AM |

Agree no way on Dawks, we are trying to get younger not older.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

I am not pushing Haynesworth, but the idea that because Dana Stub. who we got 11 years ago came here in a contract year and was no good, we can never go after another big name FA is crazy.

If I used the same concept with girls I would have never gotten married.

They have braught in FA's who have been fine, you do not have to give up on FA's just because you had some duds. They just need to make smart choices and not overpay.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 7, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, beep beep, congratulations and sincerest thanks.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | January 7, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

1) I'm not lame enought to post that stupid list for the 5th time.

2) Cork has gotten cocky since being labelled one of the best posters. What a clown.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 7, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

DEFENSE held up in '08 because its strength was in the secondary. If ROGERS and SPRINGS go, it's infinately weaker and exposes OLB WASHINGTON and the entire d-line to greater pressure. Let WASHINGTON, TAYLOR, CARTER, K. CAMPBELL, go. Sign HALL, GREEN, SPRINGS, ROGERS, FINCHER, EVANS, and GRIFFIN short-term. Draft TEXAS DE at #13, plug in DANIELS at other end, sign HAYNESWORTH with the cap money, and draft OLB BRIAN CUSHING or MARCUS FREEMAN with the 3rd round pick. Continue to play GOLSTON, and develop MONTGOMERY and ALEXANDER in rotation. See what WILSON, BUZBEE, and JACKSON have got. Let BOSCHETTI go and cut the odd men out.

Either these moves, or you go deep in this draft for o-linemen. MONTGOMERY may work out at guard-center as back-up for RABACH. Must draft o-linemen with the 5th and 6th picks if none early.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 7, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

If haynesworth can be brought in w\o hosing the Cap for years to come would be worth a shot---let springs & griffin & washington go and use that money. Re-do jason taylors contract. Trade ARE and if poss Betts for picks--then regardless, should trade our #1 for a lower #1 and another pick (a 2 or 3? not sure of the value assignment) and draft the best 1--2 d-linemen and then 1--2 o-linemen. find a serviceable linebacker in the middle round and\or FA.....when in doubt, go w Defense at this point. Vinny needs to find some diamonds in the rough o & d-lineman somewhere or we are 6--10, 7--9 through 2012

Posted by: tabtool | January 7, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

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