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Redskins by Position: Quarterbacks

It's no accident that quarterback is the final position we'll look at during our two-week tour of the Redskins' roster. It's the most important position and the one that provokes some of the fiercest debates.

I've been supportive of Jason Campbell's work from the get-go and still believe he is mentally and physically capable of being a very good quarterback for a long time. But obviously he's not there yet. At the midpoint of the season Campbell looked like he was heading towards a big new contract, performing among the five best quarterbacks in the NFL. In the second half, he was among the bottom half of the league.

No position is as deeply affected by the shortcomings elsewhere on the roster as quarterback -- especially when the problems are primarily at wide receiver and along the offensive line.

But here's what I like about Campbell: He wants badly to succeed and works harder than anyone on the team. He is liked and respected by his teammates. He doesn't make excuses and accepts blame. He has size and talent. He is unfazed by the chaos around him. He made great strides in his accuracy, decision-making, ball protection and footwork. And he was able to assume much more responsibility at the line of scrimmage, reading defenses, making checks and adjustments and audibles. His ability to escape the rush and make plays with his feet is an element not often seen around this decade.

Now, of course there is work to be done. Campbell needs to continue to improve his footwork and delivery. He can't lock onto certain routes at times. He needs to continue to speed up his delivery and get rid of the ball more quickly. He needs to continue to immerse himself in this system - he'll have the luxury of having the same coaches and playbook two years in a row! - and work on his deep-ball accuracy.

Can anyone proclaim him as a perennial Pro Bowler? No, not at this point. But does he have enough of everything you look for to continue building around him? The coaches don't doubt that and I don't think there's any question. You don't discard him, and you keep the process going.

After another offseasoon working with Jim Zorn, he should make a bigger leap in the fall. Now, if no young pass catchers step forward and no one can protect him in the pocket and five- and seven-step drops become impossible to execute, well, then no quarterback is going to succeed. That's out of Campbell's hands.

But just look at the QBs in the playoffs. Every week - and twice on many Sundays - passers are derailing entire seasons with four-to-six turnovers, poor decisions, imprudent gambles with the football. Campbell never did that. He didn't win enough games for his team, but he certainly wasn't losing them. Even at his worst, he kept his team in games.

For all the instability at this position with this franchise for what, nearly 20 years, this kid should remain a big part of the future.

While I can understand the organization's decision not to rush to sign him to a long-term deal following his second-half slide, I also don't think it's smart to let an asset this valuable dangle and face losing his unrestricted free agency following next season. Why not do what Chicago has done for Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman in recent years, only with a nice little signing bonus in the $5 million-to-$10 million range? After all, they gave Todd Collins $3 million a year ago based on four games.

That would give Campbell a little boost of confidence and make him feel wanted (after all, this ownership/management team traded up to get the kid). It would be a minimal investment that would keep him at a low number while also making him feel as if he doesn't have to play for a contract.

And if the Redskins make no effort to try to address his contract situation and if Campbell performs well next fall, how much love would you expect him to show back to the organization, especially with the need for good young passers so high in this league? If the Skins are content to let him dangle all offseason, I think the relationship could become contentious. That's often how it goes around here and the team may be taking Campbell for granted. It's still early in the offseason; we'll see how all this plays out.

As for backups, Collins is a nice insurance policy. He never had to do a thing in the regular season, with Campbell taking all the snaps. Collins's adjustment to the Zorn system - and life post-Al Saunders - clearly was rough in training camp and preseason, but he's as bright as they come and a full year in the system should be more than enough for him to be up to speed. Where he is physically remains to be seen. At 37, he's a guy to get you through a few games while your starter is hurt. Trying to squeeze 16 games out of him would be perilous.

And then there's the Cult of Colt. Third quarterback Colt Brennan remains one of the most popular dudes in town, it seems. Some fans called for the extremely raw youngster to play, starting about, oh, July 21. Should that wish be granted in 2009, then close up shop, because I don't think it would be pretty.

A realistic goal is that by 2010 Brennan is ready to be a back-up. He did essentially nothing besides take some snaps with the scout team, and it's unlikely he will get much work once training camp is over. He'll get more playing time in preseason and, if he throws a few TDs against some CFL and UPS guys, well, I'm sure my inbox will be slammed again with emails.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 14, 2009; 9:15 AM ET
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Comments

Vinny and Danny must go. That is all.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 14, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

How did this entry get posted behind Redskins by Position: Interior Offensive Line??

Posted by: NFeKPo | January 14, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Alex's head go POP!

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

It's dated 1/13/09.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Thats the problem its the wrong day.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

TRUTH POCKETS KNOWLEDGE

"Okay, what do you want out of the draft?

With our #13 pick, we want a guy that is a LOCK to be a good starter at his position. And we want to fill an area of need.

BUT THE TRUTH is here to tell you the LOCKS to be good starters in the NFL coming in this year's draft!

OT Andre Smith
OT Micheal Oher
OT Eugene Monroe
OT Ebon Britton
WR Micheal Crabtree
LB Aaron Curry
LB Ray Maulauaga
DE Tyson Jackson
DT BJ Raji
DT Periah Jerry
OG Herman Johnson
S William Moore
OG Duke Robinson
DE Larry English
CB DJ Moore
LB Clint Stintim
OT Jason Smith
WR Jeremy Maclin (at least as a return man)
DE Brian Orokpo (in the correct scheme)
DE Micheal Johnson (in the correct scheme)
DE Everette Brown
C Alex Mack
OG Andy Levitre
C Antoine Caldwell
DT Fili Moala


THAT'S IT

Posted by: TheTruth11"

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

good list truth...Levitre is an interesting cat...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

yeah

Posted by: Zeebs | January 14, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

TT,
I still think we go OT if one of them is available. But as we say, it is vinny calling it.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Truth, no Taylor Mays?

OT Andre Smith
OT Micheal Oher
OT Eugene Monroe
LB Aaron Curry
OT Ebon Britton


Anyone of these guys. I'd take Curry over Britton but not any of the other OTs.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 14, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

He didn't win enough games for his team, but he certainly wasn't losing them. Even at his worst, he kept his team in games.


Is this supposed to be a positive trait? What team actually wants this from its franchise QB?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 14, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Thats a stupid question hand. I take that back there are no stupid questions....

Tenn was no 1 in the AFC with a QB that did just that, manage the game, Minn won with game managers as did Miami.

Most teams dump a QB who loses them games for stupid play.

Not every QB in the NFL is going to the HOF, but just because your QB does not have that level talent does not mean that you get rid of him.

Name one QB we had better than JC since Brad Johnson's good year.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm not really sold on Taylor Mays, but even if I was he's staying at USC another year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Doesnt it seem like safeties project really well from college?

I cant think of a high 1st rounder that has busted out... Landry, Phillips, ST, etc..

Posted by: Zeebs | January 14, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

ArchDeluxe?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

++I'm not really sold on Taylor Mays, but even if I was he's staying at USC another year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 10:16 AM++

Did not know he decided to stay.... If a top4 OT falls to us then I'd probably take him at 13, but if not I would either trade out of the pick or select LB Curry, if he's there.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 14, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

also, on my list

I left our RB's on purpose because I think most of the 1st and 2nd round projected players will be pretty good starters or change of pace back.

coughespeciallyKNOWSHONROCKWELLMORENOcough

Posted by: TheTruth11

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Arch was a lb in college no?

was he first round?

Really he played well until he came here. i am thinking young guys. Sanders was a 2nd and is a beast... i guess there arent many 1st round safties.

Nicholson from TB lingered on the bench a couple years... i think he was a high round pick.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 14, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zeebs | January 14, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Truth,

Good work,

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

There are some good names in the 1st 2 rounds of each position. Seems to prove the point i guess.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 14, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Someone asked on the last post how the Skins could free up 23 mil,

Cut:
Springs
Griff
Wash
Taylor

Thats it sounds pretty simple to me.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Mike Huff, 7th overall for the Raiders, hasn't really done much in his 3 years.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if this was posted yet or not:

Star Sooner DT to stay in school... Oklahoma junior DT Gerald McCoy, who projected to be one of the first DTs off the board if he had entered the 2009 draft, has announced he will return to school.
Husker DT to return to school... Nebraska junior DT Ndamukong Suh, a top prospect for the 2010 draft, has announced he'll return to Nebraska for his senior season.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I saw that Greg,

That guy is going to be really good coming out next year, he was projected pretty high this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Apologies...I forgot to change the date on this post. Jasno wrote it last night. Our pockets should be straight now.

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 14, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Cindy no problem and my pockets are always straight.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

While I think JC is a no doubt starter in this league, I also don't think he's a pro bowl QB ever. He just doesn't make the throws unless its a slant, screen, or his guy has broken wide open. You never see him throw the back shoulder throw against single coverage, you never see him release the ball before the receiver breaks, and you rarely see him challenge single coverage deep. Unless he suddenly learns how to do that, he'll never take that next step and after 4 years I'm not sure how much "learning" he has left in him. We all still act like he's a rookie or something, yeah he's had to learn several systems, but that stuff is universal to any system, and don't give me that Zorn's WCO is so much harder than the WCO he ran in college or that everyone else picks up quickly. Pennington learned a new system in like 2 weeks, Flacco, Ryan, and others all learn systems quickly.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Truth Pockets Knowledge

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Cindy,
"A wise man once told me its okay to make mistakes if you accept responsibility and correct them."

This man was a GM of a failed minor league football team in the late 80's, I don't recall what the league was. Either way he was more qualified to run a sports team than Vinny, despite the random Nam flashbacks.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

There is a lot of chatter in NC that Jordan Gross will be available. I think the Skins should jump on signing him freeing up the first round pick for a DL/DE/LB. You then use the 3rd rounder on an OL.

Or Vinny will trade all of our picks for Darius Heywerd-Bey....

Posted by: HustlerofCulture | January 14, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

My point is though, JC isn't the problem, he's good enough IF you build a good offensive line and give him some legitimate receivers other than Moss and Cooley. But it starts with the Oline first!

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

IF Gross is available, I'd love to see him signed, then move Samuels to RT where he could play 5 years more there.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

That Raji guy is huge he would be worth a look at 13, he is 6"1 325 and has a good motor.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Raji is a DT out of Boston College, again this is assuming we can't trade back and the top 4 OT are gone.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

That Raji guy is huge he would be worth a look at 13, he is 6"1 325 and has a good motor.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Couldn't agree more, would love to see him picked. IMHO you can build a legitimate Oline with reasonable signings and mid-round picks. You can't get premier left tackles that way but every other spot on the line you can get good talent in the 3-5 range and in FA. We have a left tackle, if Gross is there we could upgrade our LT and fix our RT (flip Samuels) in one move and then go get a Raji or Maybin, or Dline impact guy at 13.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Ummm... "work on his deep-ball accuracy"?

I can count the number of times he threw a deep ball this season on one hand. Next year I might actually need two hands.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | January 14, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I think it would work better for the Redskins if they designed their system to fit the talents of their quarterback, instead of trying to change the quarterback to fit their system (West Coast). We should run the ball and throw more deep routes.

Posted by: Masonman | January 14, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

no thanks on Gross. He's gonna be 29, and really expensive. I'd rather spend the money on 2-3 second tier guys, Richie Incognito, Vernon Carey, Jason Brown, and get young up and coming guys, than throw everything into ONE guy.

Lets say hypothetically the Redskins signed those 3 guys, you could go Samuels, Rhino, Brown, Thomas, Carey. That makes the line, younger, and much bigger.

Plus, now in the draft you can focus on the DL/LB positions.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Something someone on talk radio said yesterday of Big ben in the Chargers game.

Basically said ' Big Ben threw the ball deep well. He didnt complete that many, but it scared the D enough to move that 8th guy out of the box so the running game could get going.'

I dont know if Zorn doesnt want him wasting the throw, if JC just doesnt see the deep pattern, or if its been drilled in his head to not take chances and take what the D gives you (which is usually a check down), but we need to stress this part of the offense next year. Teams need to fear our deep ball.

Posted by: Zeebs | January 14, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Lets say hypothetically the Redskins signed those 3 guys, you could go Samuels, Rhino, Brown, Thomas, Carey. That makes the line, younger, and much bigger.

Plus, now in the draft you can focus on the DL/LB positions.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 11:34 AM |

I would sign Brown and Carey, and then draft Raji at 13 and use the rest of the draft picks on O-Line.

I would try and find a replacement for Washington in FA's but not an expensive guy.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Zeebs,
From what few who go to games have said its more that the teams cover our deep threats and so he checks down.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

If/when Thomas and Kelly develop next season will show us how good Campbell can really be. I hope those guys spend a lot of time at Redskins Park to work on timing and route running with JC.

I don't think Gross is an option, that would give us 3 tackles on the roster making over 6 million a year with Samuels at 9 and Gross commanding 10-12 mill per year. Not going to happen.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 14, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Richie Incognito!

You wanna sign that jacka#$%%$ who almost cost his team the game against us with a PF just before the kick and played dirty and ran his mouth against us the entire freaking time? No thanks....and sometimes the money is worth it, when you sign second tier guys you get second tier play, that's fine in some areas, but we've seen what it does to us when its our oline. Our division has some of the premier blitzing pressure defenses in the league, we have to make our Oline a priority, and while Gross is 29, he is a premier LT and can play there for us for at least 4 or 5 years, plus flipping Samuels to the right would get more years from him and extend his career, you have bookends for 5 years, that's worth it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Big Ben also has Hines Ward underneath to keep defenses honest on Washington and Holmes. JC has no such underneath weapon to rely on.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 14, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

With all those underclass DT's staying, with Taylor Mays staying, and with the lack of interest in the WR position in the top end of first round, it looks to me getting one of the top 4 OT just got harder. IMO the Skins will need to trade back, unless Raji s there. I would think Raji is the #1 DT prospect now.

Posted by: TWISI | January 14, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Repost

Moe, why is signin Bart Scott a must? He's got 2, maybe 3 good years left; Ray Lewis is a freak of nature to be playing this well at 33, and this year is a bit of an anomaly for him relative to the past 3-4 (no pun intended).

Scott will cost us $5-6 million/year. We can draft a LB in ROund 3 and pay him 20% of that and he'll be 6-7 years younger. I think that's the route we have to go. I know Scott's a beast, but it only propogates the viscious cycle of signing excellent performers who are nearing the end of their prime (Scott will be 29 in August).

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 14, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 14, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

A funny thought just came to me, alot of teams you hear from the players that most teams play deep and double santana so we cant throw deep, then you hear that they are loading up the run and that is why we couldnt run the ball in the second half.

how in the world can a team load up and play double coverage on santana at the same time and we cant run or complete a deep pass. something gives it cant be both

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 14, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Scott is an ILB, the only reason to sign him would be if we are converting to a 3-4 or if we are trading or cutting Fletcher. Despite my wish for a transition to the 3-4 or don't think either of those are happening, so Scott is useless to us.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Scott's a beast because he's got Ray Lewis lined up next to him.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 14, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

hey dan, fire zorn. your best player is portis, go get the coach with whom he was most successful with MIKE SHANAHAN. then he can make a below average offensive line into an okay one. go get him

Posted by: theborck | January 14, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

zj, actually what I'd like to do is get more than one player. So in your scenario, they sign Gross to a HUGE money deal, and hope that the 4 30 plus year old guys hold up all year long? Not to mention that in 1 season Gross is himself a 30 year old guy.

Right..the NFC east is the only division that anyone blitzes.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

With all those underclass DT's staying, with Taylor Mays staying, and with the lack of interest in the WR position in the top end of first round, it looks to me getting one of the top 4 OT just got harder. IMO the Skins will need to trade back, unless Raji s there. I would think Raji is the #1 DT prospect now.

Posted by: TWISI | January 14, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. If one of the top 4 OT's are there, take him. Doubtful. If Raji is, he should get a look. Maybe. If we can get a late 1st and 2nd rounder for the 13, do it. Probable (someone will get antsy and want to move up)

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 14, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

how come we didn't go after pioli?

Posted by: theborck | January 14, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

From GBN Report, kind of long:

DT Terrence Cody, Alabama; 6-4, 355, 5.50... ’Mount’ Cody has become something of a football legend in his first year with the Tide, in part because of his size and in part because of the catchy name. Remained something of a curiosity to pro scouts early on, but there is a bit of a buzz growing around the league that Cody could be moving up into the middle of this year’s opening round in what looks like a lean year at the position. Has surprising short-area quickness for such a big guy, but lacks much in the way of lateral range or pass-rush ability; however, is just so strong at the point of attack that he is almost impossible to root off the line of scrimmage even when double-teamed that he has the potential to be very disruptive inside at the next level Weight, which has been as high as 365-370 pounds, though remains a red flag.

OTs Eben Britton, Arizona and Russell Okung, Oklahoma State… OT looks to be one of the strongest areas of the 2009 draft with players like Alabama junior Andre Smith, Michael Oher of Ole Miss, and Virginia’s Eugene Monroe projected to go in the first 15-20 picks, while LSU junior Ciron Black and Baylor’s Jason Smith lead a strong group of second tier OTs that should challenge for spots later in the opening round. And the picture at OT could get downright crowded with a couple of other emerging juniors possibly joining the mix in Arizona’s Britton and Okung of Oklahoma State. Britton is a very athletic 6-5, 310-pounder with an estimated 40 clocking in the 5.10 range. And while he played primarily RT for the Wildcats, Britton has the long arms and quick feet to make the transition to the other side at the pro level. Okung also plays RT for OSU and isn’t quite as big (6-5, 300) or fast (5.25) as Britton, but he has good short-area quickness, also has long arms and plays hard; indeed, Okung is known as a rugged in-line blocker as well as a competent blocker.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

borck, do you really have to ask that question?

His name is Vinny, he is the GM already and s#cks snyders you oknow what

Posted by: Zeebs | January 14, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

zj, actually what I'd like to do is get more than one player. So in your scenario, they sign Gross to a HUGE money deal, and hope that the 4 30 plus year old guys hold up all year long? Not to mention that in 1 season Gross is himself a 30 year old guy.

Right..the NFC east is the only division that anyone blitzes.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Bean, I wish you were as smart as you pretend to be, my point wasn't that the NFC East is the only division that teams blitz in, and that sarcastic comment was pretty stupid. But our division has the Giants - one of the best Dlines/pressure teams in the league that gets Osi back next year, the Cowboys- a 3-4 pressure team with Ware one of the dominant pass rushers in the league, and Philly- with Jim Johnson's heavy blitzing/pressure system. So that means 6 times a year for the foreseeable future we are going to play teams that excel at pressure, so you don't think getting a top flight guy like Gross, who would allow you to flip Samuels to RT and then you have majorly upgraded to spots with one signing is a bad idea? Thomas may or may not be good for another year, but you have Rhino and if you take a Dlineman at #13 you still have a 3rd, 5th, 6th, to add more interior guys, and signing gross wouldn't be the only signing possible, you bonus him with a cap friendly deal and you can sign some other pieces too. And there are plenty of good olineman who play well into there 30's that isn't the issue, the issue is our line has been making that march for a while so inevitably eventually they play will decline, the problem is our FO has had no backup plan whatsoever and this year Jansen and Thomas fell off so fast they got caught. Heyer is a solid young cheap backup at both spots so that if in 2 or 3 years Gross or Samuels does the same thing you have a stop gap to fix that situation, and if you draft a guard at 3 this year and a center late and sign a second tier interior guy along with Gross you have plenty of options. But rarely do you have an opportunity to have pro bowlers at both tackles, and signing Gross does that. I'd much much rather have Gross than Haynesworth or Peppers.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

sorry zeebs, i was delusional. i forgot who i was talking about. they're the reasons why we are never in the playoffs.

Posted by: theborck | January 14, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg I heard Terrence Cody is considering returning to Alabama. The more I read about Britton, the more I like him as a value pick. The one prospect I'm concerned about is Maclin. He has a Dan Snyder pick all over him.

Posted by: TWISI | January 14, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

zj, "olineman who play well into there 30's that isn't the issue"

um...actually thats EXACTLY the issue..take this season for example, the olinemen on the Redskins all well into their 30's, WORE DOWN after 8 games.

The "one player away" approach has worked so well for the team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Do you just pick and choose what to read?

The rest of the comment was that having a 30's plus olineman doesn't mean he can't play, it should mean that you have a solid backup plan in place in case the wear gets to them but, FOR EXAMPLE, Kendal at 37 was arguably our best olineman this year, and you think Gross at 29 all of a sudden is going to suck at 31? come on

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I suppose we should dump Samuels then cause he's over 30, I mean forget that he's a Pro Bowler, and we shouldn't even consider Gross because he's 29 even though he'll probably be a Pro Bowler for the next 5 years and we have a cheap backup (Heyer) on the roster in case Samuels or Gross falter down the road.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

zj, agree to disagree pal.

I'm suggesting signing 3 guys, all in the 25-26 age range, for probably close to what it will take to sign Gross who is going to be 29 years old at the start of the year.

You're also suggesting moving Samuels from LT to RT, a position which he's never played before.

But I'm the one missing it.....right...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

notorious

I have to take your Bart Scott post on the chin.

I get your point.

You're right.

I couldn't respond earlier as I was blogging and sitting at a stop light and two guys, hugh Madden GM fans, pulled out a gun and complained about the Skins going 8-8.

Believe me, I was nervous.

I talked to them about zone-blitz scheme's, the counter trey, and cut-and-pasted a list of possible 1st round Georgia Tech punters Vinny Cerrato had emailed to me.

I gave them Michael Irvin's phone number, a quarter, and told them to go call someone who cares about him or his wack a$$ed story.

Nobody answered.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The issue ISN'T having talented players over 30, the issue is ignoring depth there for a decade and draft no young talent to be there in case injury or age gets to that talent. We all understand that having 4 picks means we have to sign some people to fill holes, personally, I'd rather sign a Pro Bowler who I know is going to be good for 5 years than take the 4th or 5th best prospect at a position of need at hope he pans out where as I can sign the proven commodity and then draft the #1 prospect at another position of need. Signing Gross enables you to get the best prospect at DT, DE, or LB as well as gives you immediate Pro Bowl talent at both tackle positions which is of more immediate need anyway. Everyone acts like draft the 4th tackle means right away we have a talented starter at RT, there is no guarantee of that, while Gross is as close to a guarantee as is out there.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

You're also suggesting moving Samuels from LT to RT, a position which he's never played before.

But I'm the one missing it.....right...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much everywhere you read suggests moving Samuels to RT will happen eventually, and if Heyer can flip back and forth I have a feeling Samuels might be able to figure it out, keep acting smart though.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

zj, put your money where your mouth is...where has moving Samuels to RT been suggested??

I mean, as you put it, its EVERYWHERE, so get me some links.....should be easy enough...

You contradict your arguement above.

You talk about ignoring depth. I suggest signing 3 guys. You suggest signing 1. Who is ignoring depth there??

Also, this draft is very dep in OL prospects, so to suggest that getting the 4th or 5th best tackle, and hoping that he 'pans out' is reaching at best.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Beantown Greg Vs. zjfr2

Flounder Vs. Peri

The Truth Vs. RedDMV


Take your pick. Pretty obvious though.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Jason, great post. "oh, July 21", call it like you see it. I see Campbell becoming more polished this offseason with Zorn's second year in. Hopefully Kelly or(maybe even and!) Thomas can have a productive, healthy offseason to start contributing next year. As far as the 2010 prediction for Colt, I would hope it'd be sooner but I can see Collins bowing out after next year and Colt getting more snaps.

Also great post on Springs contributions in the DC area, we know who he is because he plays for the Redskins but others know him for a lot doing a lot to help people with his time and money. It's nice to keep things in perspective every now and then.

Posted by: trolly_time | January 14, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Beantown Greg Vs. zjfr2

Flounder Vs. Peri

The Truth Vs. RedDMV


Take your pick. Pretty obvious though.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 12:32 PM |

Truth,

I have not seen peri post one time since I took him out yesterday.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2

I'm feeling your point about the depth issue.

Scouts say the iggles have so much depth their second stringers would start in other towns.

Especially in towns like ours where 8-8 is in some way the result of poor planning and no depth.

What they, the iggles, have gotten out of DeSean Jackson is proof that somebody their is picking and grinning at the right players.

JLC posted some weeks again that a guy named Morocco Brown was responsible for adding some quality players to the practice squad, guys other teams took away from us.

Let's give Brown some more profile, money, and responsibility.

Like GM.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

++Let's give Brown some more profile, money, and responsibility.

Like GM.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2009 12:41 PM++

In an ideal world....

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 14, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Misa,

We beat that team with the great backups twice, and remember they were only 9-6-1 so I'm not buying into how there backups would play in most towns.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

If that swarm of earthquakes in Yellowstone is a precursor to a major eruption, none of this will matter.

I STILL wouldn't have made the Jason Taylor trade.

And what's the big deal with the Jonas Brothers anyway?

Posted by: TheCork | January 14, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"He needs to continue to immerse himself in this system - he'll have the luxury of having the same coaches and playbook two years in a row!"

This is the most important statement if JLa's post.

Soup is not the kind of QB that can simply step in and light it up a-la-Matt-Ryan or Ben Roethlisberger.

But that does not mean he cannot DEVELOP into a great franchise QB. Guys like McNair, Brees and Hasselbeck had some very pedestrian years before they became perennial ProBowlers leading their teams deep into the playoffs.

I agree that JC has all the tools to DEVELOP into one of those kinds of QBs - here's hoping there's some patience in the FO that creates the stability to let it happen...

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm hearing that the draft is deeper in OL than DL (especially DTs). I say if we can get one of the top 2 DTs at pick #13 in the first round, then do it.

Then trade C. Rogers for a 2nd rd pick and use it and our 3rd rd on 2 OL and get another OL in free agency. I just hit the easy button for V. Cerrato.

Posted by: KBDC | January 14, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Bean, I don't have the time or desire to play your stupid show me the link game you always go to. I've read at ESPN, Fox, and on several mock drafts and it was mentioned here on the post about the Oline tackles. Feel free to go chase it down if you want to, but you're dumber than I thought if you don't think it is a possibility or that Samuels couldn't do it yet Heyer can.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

FINALLY, we get to the only position that matters.

In the NFL today, it comes down to 2 things: QB and Coach

Think back to the last time the Redskins had a good offense. It was 1999. Let's compare the skill positions on the 1999 roster to the current team:
(superior talent indicated in ALL CAPS with an *)

1999 Current
RB: Davis PORTIS*
WR1: Westbrook MOSS*
WR2: Connell RANDEL EL*
TE: Alexander COOLEY*
QB: JOHNSON* Campbell

Coach:NORV* Zorn (disclaimer: it's too early to tell which coach is better, but NORV probably called a better offensive game)

As you can see, even with less talent at every skill position, the team with the better QB and coach produced the better offense.
And keep in mind, our O-Line in 1999 was as bad, if not worse, than the current line (remember Shar Pourdanesh and Andy Heck, folks?)

Bottom line: get a proven QB and a coach who can call the right plays, and you will have a good enough offense to win your division.

Just look at how a better QB and a better coach dramatically turned around these sorry teams:
Dolphins
Falcons
Jets
Ravens
Cardinals

Until Vinny figures this out, 8-8 is all we can ever hope for.

J-La, you can bash all the other positions all you want, but your criticisms can be applied to every other team in the league if you look close enough.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 14, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

If that swarm of earthquakes in Yellowstone is a precursor to a major eruption, none of this will matter.

I STILL wouldn't have made the Jason Taylor trade.

And what's the big deal with the Jonas Brothers anyway?

Posted by: TheCork | January 14, 2009 12:46 PM |

Cork,

If Yellowstone erupts nothing will matter to anyone in the world anymore.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 14, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Thats a stupid question hand. I take that back there are no stupid questions....

Tenn was no 1 in the AFC with a QB that did just that, manage the game, Minn won with game managers as did Miami.

I'm surprised you didn't mention Trent Dilfer's Super Bowl. If my question was dumb your answer was even dumber in that it proved my point. Collins and Jackson are not "franchise" QBs by any standard. They are caretakers. Collins is only playing because VY (the franchise QB) nutted out. Jacksons is only playing because Frerotte was too dumb to understand he wasn't expected to win games. And in any event, when Tenn needed the passing game, Collins was capable of throwing TDs. He has one less TD than JC on about 100 fewer pass attempts.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 14, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

i am not advocating this move, but this could happen, with vinny at the helm

We trade carlos Rogers and swap first round picks with the clevelan browns, we get the 5th pick and draft the jenkins dude from ohio state and we also get the the browns 3rd pick giving us two 3rd round picks.


I dont think we need another corner but in this fantasy league we live in called DC anything is possible

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 14, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"Bean, I don't have the time or desire to play your stupid show me the link game you always go to"

Translation, "I LIED".....

For the record, I never said that Samuels COULDN'T make the transition to RT. Just asked you to back up what you were saying...which you couldn't do.

Thanks.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

"GREEN BAY, Wis. — A Wisconsin woman who enrolled in high school under her daughter's name and tried out for the cheerleading squad has been committed to a mental health facility for three years.

Wendy Brown was found not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect to a charge of identity theft. The 34-year-old woman apologized Tuesday in court.

Records show Brown attended one day of classes last August at Ashwaubenon (ash-WAH'-bah-nahn) High School and practiced with the cheerleading squad while posing as her 15-year-old daughter, who was living with a relative out of state.

Investigators learned her true identity after she was reported as truant and found that she had been jailed in a forgery case. Brown told investigators she wanted to relive her high school experience."

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

+++Just look at how a better QB and a better coach dramatically turned around these sorry teams:

Dolphins
Falcons
Jets
Ravens
Cardinals

Until Vinny figures this out, 8-8 is all we can ever hope for.


Posted by: jgarrisn +++

More than a Coach and a QB. Look at the draft records and FA acquisitions of the successful teams.

As many mistakes as they've made, had the Redskins left well enough alone, and drafted Sam Baker and DeSean Jckson with their first and second rounders, they may well have been in the playoffs.

With Baker at RT, and Jackson as #2 receiver and punt returner, Campbell would have had more time to pass, receivers would have been open, field position would have improved, Portis wouldn't ahve been as beat up, and a couple of games would have been won, not lost.

I know, it's 20-20 hindsight. But what the redskins need is a GM with 20-20 foresight. All the rest of this, as much fun as it may be, is just shifting the proverbial deck chairs around.

I'd LOVE to get enthused, to speculate on brilliant trades and FA acquisitions, but it's folly, and it will just lead to another broken heart.

I have NO faith in the FO, and agents and players, who in many cases are smarter and more savvy than even the posters here on RI, know what a losing proposition coming to Washington is under Vinny and Danny.

And while it's nice to dream of certain players in Maroon and Orange, what in God's name would possess them to come to DC, other than the bottom line.

And with their wallets filled, what motivates them to be anything other than the next Brandon Lloyd or Arch Deluxe?

With the current management team in place, it's had to continue to fool oneself that it will all be better after the next draft, the next FA class, the next coach.

Until there's a new GM, why bother getting your hopes up?


Posted by: TheCork | January 14, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"look at the QBs in the playoffs.... passers are derailing entire seasons with four-to-six turnovers, poor decisions, imprudent gambles with the football. Campbell never did that. He didn't win enough games for his team, but he certainly wasn't losing them. Even at his worst, he kept his team in games."
--JLaC

This is exactly why Campbell will give us 8-8 at best every year. I'll take the QB willing to risk his neck for a win for the team over the QB worried about losing the game any day and twice on Sundays.

It's great that Campbell is a hard worker and good guy and well liked and so on. If that was the only criteria of being a good QB in the NFL, then my mother would be an All Pro QB every year.


Posted by: jgarrisn | January 14, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Bean for starters just go back to the post on the tackles, you've already read it, and just because I don't want to take the time to scour the internet to provide you with your asinine request for a link doesn't mean "I lied" or it hasn't been said in many places or been done many times to other aging LTs who extend their career by flipping to the RT in order to typically face less talented pass rushers. And one last thing......you're a moron.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

The Cork-- I agree 100% with your take on the need for a real GM and I'm right there with you concerning overall feelings of hopelessness for our Redskins.

I still believe you could keep this team exactly as is but replace our average QB and coach with an elite QB and coach and we'd suddenly be a legit condender.
Put Peyton Manning or Drew Brees as QB and put Josh McDaniels or someone good as the offensive play caller and we'd still be playing right now.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 14, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"I've read at ESPN, Fox, and on several mock drafts"

Let me know when you can provide backup to this claim.

Oh, and resorting to attempting to hurt my feelings by insulting me....wow....whatever shall I do.....You've cut me deep there zj...cut me deep...does your mom know you're using the computer, shouldn't you be at school....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

i second the first post from this thread. fire vinny and all may be well one day. he's resume would've gotten him fired in any other franchise but somehow producing average teams at best and making ridiculous trades, he's still employed. hmmm.......

Posted by: dadanimal | January 14, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

burden of proof is on zjfr2 NOT Beantown... If you make the claim, back it up! Don't have other people try to find it for you!

agrees with p1funk, hopefully JC has another full year to develop and it hopefully will be a full year to shine

Posted by: trolly_time | January 14, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"You've cut me deep there zj...cut me deep..."

Prison Balls?

Truth, I own the shirt on your back. I OWN YOU BOY!!!!

You wants none.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 14, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

jgarrison maybe your mom could be our kicker?

Posted by: trolly_time | January 14, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

red, if I was talking to PB, I would have used, "shanked" in place of "cut"....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

-jgarrisn, agreed.

Correct me if I am wrong but don't you "play to win the game", not "play to make less mistakes than the other team"?

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | January 14, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

trolly time--
Well, my mom once kicked the crap out of a jelly fish on the beach... sent it flying out of the surf and way out into the ocean... probably saved me a sting.
Not sure about accuracy, but the distance was solid.

So, yes, I'd take Mom over Suisham for sure.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 14, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

There is no burden of proof when a statement of obvious common sense is made like Samuels career could be extended switching to RT if we sign Gross. First off its a hypofreakingthetical, secondly its been done plenty of times before. If I had said that the Redskins are planning to cut Rogers, Campbell, and Samuels, or their entire Oline and start fresh, then providing a link or some information on where I got that from would be necessary. But here, http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/01/2008_positional_review_-_tackl.html there's the posts link, that's the one from the post and I could care less about getting others for you.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

+++This is exactly why Campbell will give us 8-8 at best every year. I'll take the QB willing to risk his neck for a win for the team over the QB worried about losing the game any day and twice on Sundays.

Posted by: jgarrisn +++

Actually campbell gave the team 6-2 until some things out of his control started to happen.

His running back got beat up and there was no decent backup to spell him.
His line got beat up, hurt and ineffective.
His one decent deep threat got a hammy.
His three NEW receivers never developed to replace the injured ones.
His kicking game continued to suffer with bad punting.
His coach/playcaller showed less imagination than the developers of the next Adam Sandler movie.

TURNOVERS kill the best teams. I'll take a QB who manages a game, and has the players in support to do so any day and twice on Sundays.

There's a big difference between a willingness to "risk his neck" and a willingness to "foolishly risk his neck."

Untl the rest of the team improves and the playcalling/design gets more imaginative, we'll never know what potential Campbell has.

Posted by: TheCork | January 14, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

hey Red

you phony

I'm about to QUIZ YOU ON THE ACTUAL DMV AREA TO PROVE I'M BETTER THAN YOU IN EVERY WAY


1) What restuarant is really good in the DMV?

2) How many people live in the DMV area?

3) Who is the most famous person from the DMV area?

4) How many congressmen have come from the DMV area?


Bring it, boi.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Cork-- agree to disagree.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 14, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

flounder

Yeah, we did beat up on the iggles.

And we lost to the jints twice.

The iggles beat the jints, especially when it mattered.

The cowgirls beat us once, we beat them once.

The NFC East is kinda like an Appliachean mountain holler where because of inbreeding, one family beats up on another simply because of rivalry issues.

But outside of McNabb, look at the iggles: Dawkins, Westbrook, Cole Parker, Clemons, Brown, Sheppherd, the massive and versitile o-line, Chris Gogong, Bradley, Sav Roca-the punter, Ackers-the kicker: yeah, we beat them twice.

None of those are old and beat down.

Many of them have added during the time the Skins gave away money and picks to Arch Delux and B. Lloyd.

But this weekend, we're watching them, and they're a game away from and all Pennsylvania Supa Bowl.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The problem, although they are a product of it, is not the players. Dan Snyder will never be the owner of a Super Bowl winning franchise. He is a rare combination of hubris, greed, ineptitude, impatience and ignorance while simultaneously and remarkably being as naive as Candide and as gullible as, well, Gulliver.

Slick Vinny uses his experience as a college recruiter not in evaluating talent but in convincing Dan Snyder he is capable of running his team, and Dan Snyder has bought it hook, line and sinker, just like a Notre Dame recruit circa 1992. If I see that shifty-eyed idiot talk about the progress his '08 class has made throughout the year, or how he is committed to rebuilding through the draft I am going to follow the lead of several Cowboys fans and sell my fanhood on Ebay.

Just like everyone else has said, we need to stock up on linemen on both sides of the ball. For some reason we always go to the secondary in the draft. However, why is it that the immense resources of the scouting department has yet to figure out that the best pass defense is a dominant pass rush. Instead of drafting Carlos "No-thumbs" Rodgers with the 9th pick of the 2005 draft, we could have drafted the following elite pass rushers:

Demarcus Ware (2008 sack leader) Shawne Merriman (2006 sack leader)

Or the following pro-bowl caliber linemen:

Jammal Brown, Marcus McNeill, Logan Mankins

That is just first round of the 2005 draft, imagine if one were to look back to the first round of every draft since 2000...

Posted by: ineptitudinality | January 14, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"There is no burden of proof when a statement of obvious common sense is made"

Couldn't agree more. But, the problem is that you claimed you read this on ESPN, Fox, and other mock draft sites, so all I asked you to do was back up what you claimed.....shouldn't be that hard...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I meant, Trent Cole, Jacque Parker.

my bad

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Skins need to take their starting right tackle with the 13th pick. Preferably one that can move to left when Samuels retires or moves to the right side. Should be a stud.

After that, take the best available of these three the rest of the way: (1) defensive end; (2) outside linebacker (SAM if McIntosh will play WILL or vice versa); and (3) interior o-linemen.

This assumes they address DT in free agency. They are going to need to address at least one need in FA, and that seems the logical choice. Here's hoping Tennessee lets Haynesworth get away.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 14, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Take any team from the playoffs and put Campbell in as their QB at the start of the year.
Does anybody honestly beleive any of these teams would be over .500?

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 14, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

fortunately, jgarrisn, the Cardinals didn't need to be over .500 to make the playoffs

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

jgarrisen, i think i'd take your mom OR the jellyfish over suisham...

Posted by: trolly_time | January 14, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"This is exactly why Campbell will give us 8-8 at best every year.

Posted by: jgarrisn"

Sooooo you're saying that Jason Campbell has maxed out, played the best he could possibly have played during this season, and there is zero room for improvement.

Is that what I should take as your opinion? That is what you meant by "Campbell will give us 8-8 at best every year", is it not?

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

inept

If you really want to see why the Skins are the way they are, go into espn.com/drafthistory and search the years 2002-2004 and you'll notice something: all of the players bloggers want from other teams were selected by them during that time.

That's Spurrier to Gibbs, btw.

Me, I pass the blame around. Both of them created the damage we see now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The problem, although they are a product of it, is not the players. Dan Snyder will never be the owner of a Super Bowl winning franchise. He is a rare combination of hubris, greed, ineptitude, impatience and ignorance while simultaneously and remarkably being as naive as Candide and as gullible as, well, Gulliver.

Slick Vinny uses his experience as a college recruiter not in evaluating talent but in convincing Dan Snyder he is capable of running his team, and Dan Snyder has bought it hook, line and sinker, just like a Notre Dame recruit circa 1992. If I see that shifty-eyed idiot talk about the progress his '08 class has made throughout the year, or how he is committed to rebuilding through the draft I am going to follow the lead of several Cowboys fans and sell my fanhood on Ebay.

Just like everyone else has said, we need to stock up on linemen on both sides of the ball. For some reason we always go to the secondary in the draft. However, why is it that the immense resources of the scouting department has yet to figure out that the best pass defense is a dominant pass rush. Instead of drafting Carlos "No-thumbs" Rodgers with the 9th pick of the 2005 draft, we could have drafted the following elite pass rushers:

Demarcus Ware (2008 sack leader) Shawne Merriman (2006 sack leader)

Or the following pro-bowl caliber linemen:

Jammal Brown, Marcus McNeill, Logan Mankins

That is just first round of the 2005 draft, imagine if one were to look back to the first round of every draft since 2000...

Posted by: ineptitudinality | January 14, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Take any team from the playoffs and put Campbell in as their QB at the start of the year.
Does anybody honestly beleive any of these teams would be over .500?

Posted by: jgarrisn

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Every single one, with the exception of the Cardinals and Chargers. Not a doubt in my mind. Every one of these teams is more talented than the Redskins currently are. And every one of these teams, besides the Chargers and Vikings, actually has a real coach.

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Why not give Colt a shot? Play at QB could not be any worse than second half of season.

And if he must go, 22 Carlos "Hands" Rogers to the Texans. They need corners terribly and got some picks.

Posted by: ElYeah | January 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Why not give Colt a shot? Play at QB could not be any worse than second half of season."

Oh, it absolutely could have been a lot worse. Instead of throwing low amounts of TDs, Colt could have thrown high amounts of INTs. At that point, the transformation of the Redskins into the Raiders would have been complete.

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

**Take any team from the playoffs and put Campbell in as their QB at the start of the year.
Does anybody honestly beleive any of these teams would be over .500?

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 14, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse**

I can think of a few. He was a better QB than Roethlisberger this year, so the Steelers would have been better off (many there were calling for the Leftwich era to begin). I think the Ravens would only have been better with Campbell because they would have avoided the slow start they had while Flacco got used to the NFL. The Vikings - enough said. Even the Eagles might have had a better year given how awful McNabb was at times (Campbell was much more consistent).

We need protection and we need receivers to run the right routes and get open. Campbell is fine.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 14, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

psp23, why wouldn't the Cardinals of all the playoff teams not make the playoffs with Campbell. They have an o-line, 2 running backs and two all-world receivers (a star in the making at #3). If all JC needs here is help on offense, why would the Cards be worse off with him under center?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I still believe you could keep this team exactly as is but replace our average QB and coach with an elite QB and coach and we'd suddenly be a legit condender.
Put Peyton Manning or Drew Brees as QB and put Josh McDaniels or someone good as the offensive play caller and we'd still be playing right now.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 14, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow, your logic is impeccable - "if we could only replace our guys with the the best guys in the league, we'd still be playing right now".


Of course Brees took some time to become an "elite" QB, as you recall San Diego dumped him in favor of Rivers. Even Peyton Manning suffered through some tough early seasons as they rebuilt around him and allowed him to develop in a system with the same coaches/playbook every year.

Hey, I just realized. If the Wizards could just get Kobe, Duncan and Garnett to play for them, we probably would have more than 7 wins!!!!

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Why do so many people want us to get a D-end? We don't need a D end the way we need...say...O-Lineman, Linebackers, and a DT.

Posted by: ecale25 | January 14, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

psp23, why wouldn't the Cardinals of all the playoff teams not make the playoffs with Campbell. They have an o-line, 2 running backs and two all-world receivers (a star in the making at #3). If all JC needs here is help on offense, why would the Cards be worse off with him under center?

Posted by: learnedhand1

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Even I can look at things objectively. He asked whether Campbell could have gone over .500 with those other teams. Warner was 9-7 playing the QB position at a top-3 level in the league, including throwing for close to 4500 yards. Even in my high assessment of Campbell, he would not have done that this season. I do think, however, that Campbell could have been a pro-bowler for the Cards. Just not at the level Warner played at. The Cardinals didn't lose 7 games because of their offense, they lost them because of their inconsistent defense.

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Take any team from the playoffs and put Campbell in as their QB at the start of the year.
Does anybody honestly beleive any of these teams would be over .500?

Posted by: jgarrisn

Sure, I will take the bait. The most startling change in Campbell is that he did not turn over the ball. If you have defense that will create two or three turnovers a game and an offense that that has 1 or zero turnovers you will be in a position to win most games. The Ravens would have done at least as well with Campbell. In a league were the best defensive teams make it to the playoffs the last thing that you want is a qb that puts the defense in the hole. Did you notice the number of interceptions that the losing teams had last weekend?

Posted by: driley | January 14, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV should be a WR.

He once said that one-on-one with a LB trying to play him in pass coverage, that he would beat the LB.

What a bad***!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Scott will cost us $5-6 million/year. We can draft a LB in ROund 3 and pay him 20% of that and he'll be 6-7 years younger. I think that's the route we have to go. I know Scott's a beast, but it only propogates the viscious cycle of signing excellent performers who are nearing the end of their prime (Scott will be 29 in August).

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 14, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

ARE YOU GUYS PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT LMG says ? This same concept applies to Jordan Gross. I'd rather spend 10-12 mill on Terrell Suggs..........I would never go after the top prize in FA (Haynesworth & Peppers) but I would move in on the 2nd tier prize while everyone is busy paying attention to the big fish. I know Suggs is young and with him you solve problems 2-in-1. This being a gaping hole at the OLB position and our pass rushing inability.
Both solved all-in-one Terrell Suggs.

Posted by: slipperyrichard | January 14, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

LSU expected to lose one to draft, keep two... ESPN is reporting that LSU will announce at that press conference this afternoon that junior WR Brandon LaFell will be leaving school to enter the 2009 draft, but that OT Ciron Black and RB Charles Scott, two other highly rated junior, will return for their senior seasons next

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Both solved all-in-one Terrell Suggs.

Posted by: slipperyrichard

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The glaring omission is that Suggs is a 3-4 OLB/DE, a hybrid that's not suited for a 4-3 OLB. In fact, when he was franchised this past season, he was franchised at the DE salary because he played more snaps at DE than at OLB. Suggs would not fit in here.

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

PSP,
The Cards lost because they have less rushing yards than an AFL team most of the season.

ecale25,

I agree some people think that a great DE will solve the pass rush and collapse the pocket, just like some think that a great Guard will stop the blitz on the edge.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

ARE YOU GUYS PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT LMG says ? This same concept applies to Jordan Gross. I'd rather spend 10-12 mill on Terrell Suggs..........I would never go after the top prize in FA (Haynesworth & Peppers) but I would move in on the 2nd tier prize while everyone is busy paying attention to the big fish. I know Suggs is young and with him you solve problems 2-in-1. This being a gaping hole at the OLB position and our pass rushing inability.
Both solved all-in-one Terrell Suggs.


You're nuts, Suggs is the product of a 3-4 system that has a great NT in Ngata and Ray Lewis in the middle. He has never been a SLB in a 4-3 system and spends the majority of the time with his hand on the ground as a pass rusher. He would be a younger Andre Carter here.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

In the second half of the season and against the best defenses in the league -- no other QB or set of wide receivers would have succeeded behind the Skins injured offensive line.

A QB requires 3-4 seconds to make a 5-7 step drop and the receivers also require that much time to get down field.

The Skins offense faltered because the skill players never had enough time to execute the plays... as a result they could only execute passing plays that took 2 seconds or less.

Posted by: siris | January 14, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"Scott will cost us $5-6 million/year. We can draft a LB in ROund 3 and pay him 20% of that and he'll be 6-7 years younger. I think that's the route we have to go. I know Scott's a beast, but it only propogates the viscious cycle of signing excellent performers who are nearing the end of their prime (Scott will be 29 in August)."

Posted by: Notorious_LMG

Just to play devil's advocate, it's true that he'll be 80% cheaper and 6-7 years younger, but there's also a good chance that he'll be 20% of the player Scott is as well. No reason why you can't sign Scott AND draft a guy to take his spot when Scott falls off.

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and Danny must go. That is all.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 14, 2009 9:18 AM |

We can rant and rave about Danny must go all we want but until we can come up with $1.5 billion, learn to live with it.

Posted by: Ejayraptor | January 14, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

We've seen Campbell play with a good team. For 8 games this season, the OL was solid. And Campbell was a top 5-ish QB.

Once Santana tweaked his hammy and the OL started to fall apart, Campbell played at a much lower level. Plus it included games against top defenses (jints, eagles, Pitt, Ravens)

At this point in his career, Campbell remains a reflection of the talent around him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 14, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

At this point in his career, Campbell remains a reflection of the talent around him.

Posted by: zcezcest1

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Exactly. Well put, zcezcest.

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1
We could say that about so many of the QB's out there I would say over 3/4 of the starters in the NFL.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I can't remember which first round playoff game I saw - but I remember seeing a QB going back to pass and just standing there for a really LONG time looking for a receiver downfield and thinking, "Wow. I NEVER remember seeing Campbell ever having that much time to look." It really struck me basically because I only watched one game (the skins) a week during the regular season.

Posted by: charley42 | January 14, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

The Skins should retain all the QBs, given the limited number of draft picks this year.

Campbell requires more time to master the offensive system. He needs to learn how to throw the ball away when a play doesn't develop. He also requires an offensive line that can pass block, so he has enough time to find open players down field. I was surprised the coaches didn't design more roll out plays to mitigate the ineffectiveness of the pass blockers, since Campbell has decent mobility.

I'm not sold on Collins ability to execute this offense, in particular since the coaches only have time to teach the starters. However, I agree he's a smart QB and a solid backup (at least for one more year).

Brennen has promise and should be the #2 QB after another year of seasoning.

Posted by: siris | January 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

We could say that about so many of the QB's out there I would say over 3/4 of the starters in the NFL.

Posted by: alex35332

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I'd argue differently. How often did you see Campbell make a pure, solely-his-fault mistake (and not a reflection of his talent)? Surely, you can agree that there are a number of QBs that do this with much more regularity than Campbell (Delhomme was a prime example last week).

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Collins ability to execute this offense, in particular since the coaches only have time to teach the starters. However, I agree he's a smart QB and a solid backup (at least for one more year).
-Seris


What if some dummy offered a pick(think 4th rounder) for him.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

We can rant and rave about Danny must go all we want but until we can come up with $1.5 billion, learn to live with it.

Posted by: Ejayraptor | January 14, 2009 2:03 PM

Hey, I think in today's economic climate I think you can probably buy them for the bargain basement price of ONLY $1.1 billion!

Posted by: charley42 | January 14, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Suggs would not work here. Great player, but no. He'd be another Carter/Taylor. You can get a solid DE in Round 3. If they bring in Haynsworth, it will only make the rest of the D-linemen that much better.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 14, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

How many times did you see Campbell make a play out of nothing with his arm? How many comebacks has he engineered? Why couldn't Campbell run Saunders's offense just a smidgen as well as Collins did, especially given his superior athleticism?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 14, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

You're nuts, Suggs is the product of a 3-4 system that has a great NT in Ngata and Ray Lewis in the middle. He has never been a SLB in a 4-3 system and spends the majority of the time with his hand on the ground as a pass rusher. He would be a younger Andre Carter here.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

You're wrong. Rex Ryan's "base" defense is a 3-4 set, but he mixes up his defensive looks alot. He uses a 4-3; he uses the 4-6 that his dad invented. And he uses Terrell Suggs in variety of ways as an OLB and a pass rusher. (Suggs also had 9 passes defended and 2 Ints this past year)

Marcus Washington was used as both an OLB and as a pass-rusher in passing situations - no reason why a guy like Suggs couldn't do the same.

Besides, I'm sick and tired of the whole "he's a system guy". What defensive player out there is NOT part of a "system"? Any jump that any player makes to a new team typically has to adjust to a "system".

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I think Suggs would make an excellent veteran SLB for the Skins... He plays the same position (OLB) with the Ravens.

The Skins have to replace Washington. OLB injuries and a lack of quality depth have killed the pass rush and negated the zone blitz.

However, there is no guarantee Suggs will be available in free agency... So who would be a better fit?

Posted by: siris | January 14, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"How many times did you see Campbell make a play out of nothing with his arm?"

I know you keep thinking this is all the QBs doing, but it's not. Campbell cannot throw into double coverage without the receiver being able to beat the defenders to the ball. "Out of nothing" plays by the QB's arm require a WR to make a play.

"How many comebacks has he engineered?"

One win against NO. One win against Philly (1st game, 14 point defecit). He put the team ahead against St. Louis late in the 4th, the defense collapsed under 2 minutes allowing a FG as time expired.

"Why couldn't Campbell run Saunders's offense just a smidgen as well as Collins did, especially given his superior athleticism?"

First full year as a starter, he didn't play so well. He wasn't that "bad", mind you, just didn't perform as well as a 12+ year veteran that had been in the system for 8 consecutive seasons. I don't think that's as egregious as you imply. Collins also happened to outperform starting QBs for 30 other teams that season. Everyone except the record-setting Tom Brady had to bow down to Todd Collins performance during that season-ending stretch.

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

You're wrong. Rex Ryan's "base" defense is a 3-4 set, but he mixes up his defensive looks alot. He uses a 4-3; he uses the 4-6 that his dad invented. And he uses Terrell Suggs in variety of ways as an OLB and a pass rusher. (Suggs also had 9 passes defended and 2 Ints this past year)

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm no coach, but I think what you are missing is that a lot of guys (Suggs and Jas. Taylor included) are effective BECAUSE they get moved around so much. Our system isn't based on that, and our system is consistently playoff-caliber, so there is no reason to change that. Suggs would not be as effective as an every down DE (he'd get run on badly) or as an every down linebacker in a 4-3.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 14, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse


What if some dummy offered a pick(think 4th rounder) for him.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

You'd have to jump on that and sign another veteran QB who knows the WCO. I highly doubt any GM would dumb enough to offer anything for a 38 year old QB...

Posted by: siris | January 14, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"What defensive player out there is NOT part of a "system"? Any jump that any player makes to a new team typically has to adjust to a "system"."

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Big difference between making the jump from a 4-3 to a 4-3 with different terminology than making the jump from a 3-4 to a 4-3 with completely different assignments.

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm no coach, but I think what you are missing is that a lot of guys (Suggs and Jas. Taylor included) are effective BECAUSE they get moved around so much. Our system isn't based on that, and our system is consistently playoff-caliber, so there is no reason to change that. Suggs would not be as effective as an every down DE (he'd get run on badly) or as an every down linebacker in a 4-3.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 14, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

thank you

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

the 3-4 OLB position simply doesnt exist in a 4-3. this is nothing new or controversial.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"How many times did you see Campbell make a play out of nothing with his arm?"
He made a bunch of them with his feet more than his arm in the end but he was the better QB in 8 of our games according to NFL.com (based on yards)
"How many comebacks has he engineered?"
I believe the NO game. AZ game are good examples. A lot of our early wins we were not down in the 4th so he could not "come back"
"Why couldn't Campbell run Saunders's offense just a smidgen as well as Collins did, especially given his superior athleticism?"
Because Al Saunders offense is terrible and only a handful of QB's have run it right, Todd Collins told them it takes 1-2 years to get used to the complexity of the playbook. Collins had been studying that system for 10 years, which is why he was so bad in Zorn's system during the pre-season.

DO PEOPLE FORGET THAT HE DID NOT TURN THE BALL OVER TILL WEEK 9?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

The team that gives Haynesworth a big deal is stupid,” a personnel evaluator told PFW. “He (was) playing hard because of the incentives. He is the type of guy that needs something to play for. You give him a lot of money, and he’ll eat himself out of the league.”

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

The team that gives Haynesworth a big deal is stupid,” a personnel evaluator told PFW. “He (was) playing hard because of the incentives. He is the type of guy that needs something to play for. You give him a lot of money, and he’ll eat himself out of the league.”

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I think the only way to go with Haynesworth is to give him a ton of guaranteed money (only way you'll get him) and a ton MORE money in incentives. With our level of need at that position, I don't see how we can not make a legit attempt to get him.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 14, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

It would stupid to turn over the defense from a 4-3 to a 3-4 now - because we don't even have enough decent LB's for the 4-3 that we run right now.

Let's get an excess of good linebackers before we consider changing over.

Posted by: charley42 | January 14, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I still think Haynesworth would be an upgrade at DT over chronically injured Griffin.

Salary is rarely a factor with the Skins -- as Snyder manages the cap pretty effectively -- so who would be a better free agent pocket, collapsing DT?

Posted by: siris | January 14, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

No to Haynesworth.....if you don't see that Snyder has a job for you in the front office.....


Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

The problem, although they are a product of it, is not the players. Dan Snyder will never be the owner of a Super Bowl winning franchise. He is a rare combination of hubris, greed, ineptitude, impatience and ignorance while simultaneously and remarkably being as naive as Candide and as gullible as, well, Gulliver.

Slick Vinny uses his experience as a college recruiter not in evaluating talent but in convincing Dan Snyder he is capable of running his team, and Dan Snyder has bought it hook, line and sinker, just like a Notre Dame recruit circa 1992. If I see that shifty-eyed idiot talk about the progress his '08 class has made throughout the year, or how he is committed to rebuilding through the draft I am going to follow the lead of several Cowboys fans and sell my fanhood on Ebay.

Just like everyone else has said, we need to stock up on linemen on both sides of the ball. For some reason we always go to the secondary in the draft. However, why is it that the immense resources of the scouting department has yet to figure out that the best pass defense is a dominant pass rush. Instead of drafting Carlos "No-thumbs" Rodgers with the 9th pick of the 2005 draft, we could have drafted the following elite pass rushers:

Demarcus Ware (2008 sack leader) Shawne Merriman (2006 sack leader)

Or the following pro-bowl caliber linemen:

Jammal Brown, Marcus McNeill, Logan Mankins

That is just first round of the 2005 draft, imagine if one were to look back to the first round of every draft since 2000...

Posted by: ineptitudinality | January 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

You'd have to jump on that and sign another veteran QB who knows the WCO. I highly doubt any GM would dumb enough to offer anything for a 38 year old QB...

Posted by: siris | January 14, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Hence my use of the word Dummy, I only wish we had traded him in the off season when he was a hot tamale

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I'll give you NO but I thought Randle El, threw the only TD in the Eagles game. The Rams game? What a reach.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 14, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

It would stupid to turn over the defense from a 4-3 to a 3-4 now - because we don't even have enough decent LB's for the 4-3 that we run right now.

Let's get an excess of good linebackers before we consider changing over.

Posted by: charley42 | January 14, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

That's absolutely true, but I still say it would be easier and cheaper/less risky to sign a nose tackle like Grady Jackson and/or Gabe Watson and some collection of Scott, Farrior, Dansby, Crowder, Barton, Beisel, Peterson, Vilma, and or draft decent LB talent in rounds 3 or later than it will be to sign Haynesworth, Peppers, Suggs, or draft a person who can get pressure right away.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

cl, 1-BILLION percent agreed, stay away from this guy.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

the 3-4 OLB position simply doesnt exist in a 4-3. this is nothing new or controversial.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I understand that. My point is that Bmore has not been strictly a 3-4 defense and Suggs has played in a variety of positions under Rex Ryan - successfully.

Being productive in any system is a combination of a player simply being able to play (which Suggs appears to be able to do) and a coach figuring out how to maximize their talents.

When Marcus Washington was healthy, he was an effective OLB and we lined him up as a DE in passing situations. I just don't think it is beyond the pale that a player like Suggs can't be successful under similar circumstances for us.

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Put Campbell on another team?

Let's just have the FO work on the o-line issues (which can be resolved)and Zorn design an offense around him rather than force one on him.

Next season is Campbell's time to prove his critics wrong.

If he can't, the real argument is if we want to wait another season.

At that point, most fans won't want to.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Hence my use of the word Dummy, I only wish we had traded him in the off season when he was a hot tamale

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

He was never a hot tamale, he wanted to be a started, nobody bit, so he signed back with us.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

(Raising glass to toast) No more judgments of Campbell until after next season.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 14, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan Colt Brennan Colt Brennan! woo hoo! lmao. I love the lil' guy.

Why ya gotta harsh on Colt? Bad form. Your Rookie who played for the Delaware Hens ain't doin' too bad. Lot's of UPS guys in that league.

I don't think too many folks are closing the door on Soup. (How's THAT for a mixed metaphor??) I just think a lot of people doubt he can pull it off.

I think it actually has less to do with him and more to do with how he's being coached, but we'll see.

Lem'me aks you sumthin' Jasno, what did you think of Flaco at the beginning of the season? What did you think of Doug Flutie?

I'm not saying jettison Soup as the starter. But I think Colt will do well when he's asked to.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Collins ability to execute this offense, in particular since the coaches only have time to teach the starters. However, I agree he's a smart QB and a solid backup (at least for one more year).
-Seris


What if some dummy offered a pick(think 4th rounder) for him.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 2:13 PM


If someone offered me a 4th for Collins, Collins would be gone. I would not have even re-signed Collins this year...He is mediocre at best. I'd rather see Brennan as our #2, at least he has some actual talent.
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We could say that about so many of the QB's out there I would say over 3/4 of the starters in the NFL.

Posted by: alex35332

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I'd argue differently. How often did you see Campbell make a pure, solely-his-fault mistake (and not a reflection of his talent)? Surely, you can agree that there are a number of QBs that do this with much more regularity than Campbell (Delhomme was a prime example last week).

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2009 2:12 PM

Not often. I've seen far more plays where Campbell has taken advantage of the protection he is offered to make big plays in the passing game...Like deep balls to Moss over the top (which is the type of throw Campbell is best at, he is not a dink and dunk passer) or 15yd ins and outs to Cooley in space.

Campbell excells when given protection and the ability to throw deep (a part of me thinks Campbell belongs in a run-n-shoot offense, haha). He thrives on play-action and seven step drops, both of which talke time to develop.

Posted by: ecale25 | January 14, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Good points up there, alex.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Note to Jim Zorn,


If you select players in the 2009 draft and they make your 53 man team....PLAY THESE YOUNG GUYS SO THAT THEY WILL GET SOME EXPERIENCE. This season you will have basically 2 extra rookies in Rhienhart and Rob Jackson because YOU DID NOT PLAY THEM. Take a look around the league and I bet that the skins are the only team that did not play their rookies on a regular basis.

Posted by: pennstate1 | January 14, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is a good QB. That question is answered.

The real question is can he become a very good/elite QB? I don't know that answer, but I think its possible.

One comment I'd like to make ... and I made it about Art Monk, but it fits Jason Campbell.

There is a difference between excellence and excitement. Excellence is what wins. Exciting sticks in our memories. Monk was excellent, but perhaps less exciting.

Campbell isn't exciting. Going 1/2 a season without an INT isn't exciting, but it is excellent.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 14, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I hit the nail on the head once every 10 years Dik

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you JLaC. JC looked great early in the season and will look great again with more of a deep threat among the receivers.

Anyone who can keep his cool in the midst of all the chaos in this team has something going for him!

Agreed also, keep Todd as backup.

Posted by: wp11234 | January 14, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

THE REAL TRUTH SAYS:

There is still ONE LAST POSITION. And a vital one:

Kickoffs/Field goal kicker.
Punter.

Not to mention the "specials". There are guys who specialize in being good at the "specials". And they are important.

Noting that Sammy Baugh's memory was honored in the playoffs with a quick kick by a QB.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Lol.

And I think Campbell was getting pretty good at the dink & dunk too. towards the end of the season that's all they were giving him anyway.

aahhhhh... O & D Lines & receivers... a man can dream, can't he?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

excuse me Periculum, but you can't even answer trivia questions about Rockville, so PLEASE hold off on anointing yourself "The Real Truth", chump!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

If you select players in the 2009 draft and they make your 53 man team....PLAY THESE YOUNG GUYS SO THAT THEY WILL GET SOME EXPERIENCE. This season you will have basically 2 extra rookies in Rhienhart and Rob Jackson because YOU DID NOT PLAY THEM. Take a look around the league and I bet that the skins are the only team that did not play their rookies on a regular basis.

Posted by: pennstate1

total agreement except for that they really have 7(!) extra rookies ... Tryon, Moore, Kelly, Brennan and Davis are also pretty much rookies, given they also played very little.

It is one of the little things that is big right now. The Skins have 9 2008 rookies on their roster ... and they have no idea if these guys are NFL material in almost every case.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 14, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Don't go back to Rockville and waste another year"

REM

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

If through some disaster, he ends up playing he will be asked to set his ego aside and do exactly what Campbell and Flaco were asked to do.

First, do no harm. No mistakes. Don't lose games for his.

Can he do that? Jason seems to doubt that. We've seen many other pre-season heroes. I believe that one still does color commentary on the radio for Dallas Cowboys games ... ~smiles~
Most end up in insurance or as congress critters.

"I'm not saying jettison Soup as the starter. But I think Colt will do well when he's asked to."

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

DON'T go back to Rockville and waste another year.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

aaack - cL! stealin my thundaaaaa.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

No one answered mine either bonehead.

Truth or consequences ... how many theTruth11's does it take to cause blue plains to have a toxic spill.

ONE.

"excuse me Periculum, but you can't even answer trivia questions about Rockville, so PLEASE hold off on anointing yourself "The Real Truth", chump!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Go suck a whale weeie you pussy whipped has been.

"Don't go back to Rockville and waste another year"

REM

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Just like everyone else has said, we need to stock up on linemen on both sides of the ball. For some reason we always go to the secondary in the draft. However, why is it that the immense resources of the scouting department has yet to figure out that the best pass defense is a dominant pass rush. Instead of drafting Carlos "No-thumbs" Rodgers with the 9th pick of the 2005 draft, we could have drafted the following elite pass rushers:

Demarcus Ware (2008 sack leader) Shawne Merriman (2006 sack leader)

Or the following pro-bowl caliber linemen:

Jammal Brown, Marcus McNeill, Logan Mankins

That is just first round of the 2005 draft, imagine if one were to look back to the first round of every draft since 2000...


Posted by: ineptitudinality | January 14, 2009 2:45 PM


On the flip side, or Defense is as good as it is, despite the lamentable pass rush, only because of the amazing play of our secondary.

Posted by: ecale25 | January 14, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Which former student of which Montgomery County HS was killed at Kent State? Answer those and you will know where I went to school you dimwitted, wii brains.

"excuse me Periculum, but you can't even answer trivia questions about Rockville, so PLEASE hold off on anointing yourself "The Real Truth", chump!"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

we have name calling over Rockville trivia on this board ... have to say, I didn't see that coming

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 14, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with JLC assessment of Jason Campbell. For a man that is 6'5, he sees the field poorly, does not look at other WR that have been open, gets too nervous in pressure situations, his accuracy needs A LOT of work, has too many passes batted down at the line of scrimmage, holds on to the football way to long, and just does not make enough plays when the game is on the line. The Redskins will NEVER win anything with Campbell as the starter. He is no better then Patrick Ramsey.

Posted by: RedskinAddict | January 14, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

why would I be considered a "wii brains"? I've never even used a Wii, loser.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"

Go suck a whale weeie you pussy whipped has been.

"Don't go back to Rockville and waste another year"

REM

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009"


WHA? Simply have a little word association fun......very strange...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Where are President Hoover's cats buried? Hint a recent very tragic even occurred nearby. But you lamebrains haven't a clue.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Didn't start it. But you know I like to finish it with a flourish. As the great white turns seeking his prey for another huge bite.

we have name calling over Rockville trivia on this board ... have to say, I didn't see that coming

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 14, 2009

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but Colt has talent. Record setting talent.

Y'know, I'm not asking for him to be starting, but I do think people who dismiss him so easily are missing out on value.

I do think it would be nice to see him as a second stringer next seasion, maybe half way through.

Could you imagine if were even ahead enough to let him play?! That would be SJKing sweet.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Yes, mr. dripping with sarcasm ... ~smiles~
Seems ironic that you would complain ...

"WHA? Simply have a little word association fun......very strange...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I got to see Danny Gatton play in Rockville once. Other than that, it was pretty much tha boondocks for us growin' up. hehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Please move to Blue Plains, it already reeks around there so the additional pungent odor won't matter.

"DON'T go back to Rockville and waste another year.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but Colt has talent. Record setting talent.

Posted by: DikShuttle

And Campbell had 13-0, unbeaten talent playing in the SEC.


But I agree with the point that we need to see what we have with our young players. Its a crime to keep 10 rookies and really know something about only 3 of them.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 14, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

DikShuttle you lie, you've never even HEARD OF ROCKVILLE MY FRIEND

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Ok - can we come up with a standard for syntax on replies?!? I can't keep up!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Where are President Hoover's cats buried? Hint a recent very tragic even occurred nearby. But you lamebrains haven't a clue.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:18 PM |

Oooh! I know! I know! Call on me, Mr. Perky!!! In the dumpster behind the Watergate, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

3-4 OR 4-3...?

Neither: what you want is confusion.

Last night on the NFL Network, Rod Woodson and the Oakland Raiders' cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha talked about how teams get sacks and turnovers by confusing quarterbacks.

By constantly shifting defensive fronts, teams are able to attack blocking protections and trick q-backs into thinking there's no blitz when there is or if there is an overload to one side when there is not.

Jake Delhomme threw six picks because the cards presented him with coverages that weren't what he thought they were when he set to throw the ball.

Finding ways to get turnovers and short fields is the way a defense helps the offense: and given the sorry state of the Redskins' offense, using hybrid fronts and confusing coverages beats 4th quarter defensive collapses--like the San Fran game-- anyday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 14, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Only got to see Herb Mul-Key once.

"I got to see Danny Gatton play in Rockville once. Other than that, it was pretty much tha boondocks for us growin' up. hehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Swimmin' at the quarry, and sugarloaf. And the putt-putt golf course on the Pike.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Herb Mul-Key -- not a name that comes up often

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 14, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Nice Piece JLC, no jabs at front office, presented pluses and negatives of Campbell very well. Very true how he didn't cause him to lose games, ddin't really win any for them though, except maybe the aints and cards. I agree Colt would be pretty bad.

Posted by: drewkinnear | January 14, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh gee, no the Aspen Hill pet cemetery. ON the corner of Aspen Hill and Georgia Ave. That's where most of the sniper's victims were killed.

Still think that's funny dilweed?

"Oooh! I know! I know! Call on me, Mr. Perky!!! In the dumpster behind the Watergate, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I think Colt would be bad right now but still would give him 2-3 years and watch what he can do.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

hey Red

you phony

I'm about to QUIZ YOU ON THE ACTUAL DMV AREA TO PROVE I'M BETTER THAN YOU IN EVERY WAY


1) What restuarant is really good in the DMV?

2) How many people live in the DMV area?

3) Who is the most famous person from the DMV area?

4) How many congressmen have come from the DMV area?


Bring it, boi.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 1:30 PM


Crazy busy today...

1) What restuarant is really good in the DMV? - There are so many. Of course most people know of Five Guys, and the recently Obama patronized Ben's Chilli Bowl, but it depends on your taste, I guess. Me, I am a lover of the "inner city" food spots. Places you never heard of like Al's Steakhouse and Blue and White Diner.

2) How many people live in the DMV area? - About 5 million; however this number has probably plunged due to the crackdown on illegal immigrants in this area. This area is known for its robust Hispanic population - and there is NOTHING wrong with that.

3) Who is the most famous person from the DMV area? - Dude, how the F am I supposed to know that? Hell, I don't know. Do you know how many former presidents are from this area? Hell, man take your pick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famous_people_from_the_Washington,_D.C._metropolitan_area

4) How many congressmen have come from the DMV area? - See link for question for #3.
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Like I said, I'm from the best region on the planet, my dude. People from S.C. wish they were F'n with the DMV but they just can't.

I now own the title to your car and the shoes on your feet, BOI!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 14, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Still think that's funny dilweed?

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:30 PM

I think everything you write up here is funny, Mr. Perky. But not funny in the good, ha-ha way. Funny.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

A number of relatives including my mother are buried at Gate of Heaven Cemetery again very near where that happened.

Laugh at that whale flem.

"Oooh! I know! I know! Call on me, Mr. Perky!!! In the dumpster behind the Watergate, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Prince Georges County used to encompass Montgomery County and pretty all the Counties up to Garrett. It was the ORIGINAL WESTERN COUNTY, near the wilderness. One can see this by looking at the names of the older counties such as St. Mary's, Charles, Worcester, Calvert, Baltimore. Named in the 17th century after English nobility or landed gentry owned areas of England.

"Like I said, I'm from the best region on the planet, my dude. People from S.C. wish they were F'n with the DMV but they just can't.

I now own the title to your car and the shoes on your feet, BOI!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

OK this Rockville fued/cut down contest is offially one of the lamest things on RI ever...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Red's right how can you guess the best restaurant in DC MD and VA? Though I always thought DMV stood for Del Mar Vista

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

And who friggin' cares about Wintergreen Plaza, (I remember when there was NO WINTERGREEN and the biggest thing was the SuperGiant.

The name of the church in Rockville at the corner of 28 or Norbeck Road is St. Mary's and the cemetary there is the oldest.

Quick which town and which city in Maryland were briefly the capital of the US?

Annapolis and Brookeville. In the War of 1812, during the invasion of Washington, the president briefly spent time in Brookeville before eventually fleeing further north. Annapolis was one of the seats of government before they built Washington.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

OK this Rockville fued/cut down contest is offially one of the lamest things on RI ever...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009 3:39 PM

I'm guessing you feel this way because you don't know any of the answers, right? Me, I already got the one about the Watergate dumpster so I'm one ahead of you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm, that is an impossible question. However, since the V is Virginia (albeit the Eastern Shore part) one can safely consider the Inn at Little Washington the only premium five star plus restaurant and inn in the entire area.

"Red's right how can you guess the best restaurant in DC MD and VA? Though I always thought DMV stood for Del Mar Vista"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

WE WERE 6-2 BEFORE THE WHEELS CAME OFF THE WAGON; poor line play( on both sides of the ball) a defense that gave up late,game changing drive's(Rams,Cowboy's,Giant's,Bungles)rookie wide receiver's(Kid&Play) who couldn't catch a cold,diva RB who kills team chemistry(i luv him but he's killin me)a rookie coach who mismanaged several games some that we even won!and Jason survived all of that and he only threw six interceptions,and he only had one legit wideout.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I think the lack of playing time for rookies was more a factor of early injuries to the top rookie WRs + the 1st year with the offensive coaches and less with the ability of the players. The coaches were focused on training the starters and less so on injured rookies who were way behind from missing so much practice time.

I assume rookie training will improve with time. The veterans will have more experience in the system and the coaches will have more time to focus on the rookies and new players.

It's crazy to play rookies over starting veterans. The object is to win games! The rookies can gain experience in training camp, practice, and playing on the scout teams.

Posted by: siris | January 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Nah, that's where you buried your dog after he was hit by a local commuter war vehicle on its way to the Toddle House.

"I'm guessing you feel this way because you don't know any of the answers, right? Me, I already got the one about the Watergate dumpster so I'm one ahead of you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

And don't say the answer is Clancy puuuuuhleeese!

"3) Who is the most famous person from the DMV area? "

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I do need to get back to work this is getting way to fun and obsessive. Need some Yerba Mate to calm me down ... or a shot of Don Julio.

"OK this Rockville fued/cut down contest is offially one of the lamest things on RI ever...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=schreiber_leanne&id=3828530


good read about how bad ESPN's "reporting" is becoming

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Finally, a discussion of substance. I'm sick of reading about the Redskins anyway.

Posted by: psps23 | January 14, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Got see Melissa Belote ... does that count? :)

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

And Cher ... with nothing on under some sort of transparent white sun dress ...

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

What would you guys think about trading down in the first round, not far, but getting a 2nd or an other 3rd and draft one of the nasty LB's out of USC with our 1st and then work on getting OL/DL with the others?
Personally I liked Washington a lot he was productive and fun to watch but now I can't stand seeing him jump up and celebrate like a donkey when he gets a shoe string assist on a tackle.
I like JC, but i'm not completely sold on JZ. I think once this next season is over we will be able to tell if everyone's comments about JC being a crappy QB is warranted.

Posted by: BostonWarPath | January 14, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Gaiferrrrsbooiiiiiigggghhhhh??!!

....Greaseman.... awesome...

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Reverse the OT with the LB and it may make more sense as long as 2 other OL are selected. Remember, that sort of trade will likely have to include Carlos Rogers.

"What would you guys think about trading down in the first round, not far, but getting a 2nd or an other 3rd and draft one of the nasty LB's out of USC with our 1st and then work on getting OL/DL with the others?"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Think it will make the RI WIKI? :)

"OK this Rockville fued/cut down contest is offially one of the lamest things on RI ever...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009 3:39 PM"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

What would you guys think about trading down in the first round, not far, but getting a 2nd or an other 3rd and draft one of the nasty LB's out of USC with our 1st and then work on getting OL/DL with the others?

Posted by: BostonWarPath | January 14, 2009 3:52 PM

These are the sorts of decisions you can only make on draft day when you see how the draft is breaking. You can't make them in January before you've finished your scouting, assessed your own players, gone through free agency, or stacked your draft board.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

after reading how people from the DMV area and Rockville area act

thank god I'm from South Carolina!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Got one right ... yaaaaayyyyy for the wii folks!

"The good patrons of Hank Dietle's Cold Beer To Go frown upon this trivia war...

Posted by: CyborgSquirrel1 | January 13, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Any of you geeks on here know where I can get some tasty chinese food at a reasonable price in rockville?

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 14, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the folks at Pop Dietl's Spaghetti House down in Silver Spring would agree.

"The good patrons of Hank Dietle's Cold Beer To Go frown upon this trivia war...

Posted by: CyborgSquirrel1 | January 13, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

People from your area get imbedding and the warm feeling of still being bitter about losing the Civil War. :)

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

He is a rare combination of hubris, greed, ineptitude, impatience and ignorance while simultaneously and remarkably being as naive as Candide and as gullible as, well, Gulliver.
Posted by: ineptitudinality | January 14, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Yah, I agree. And what do you think are his bad traits?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I always liked Houston's myself ... not JD Graffiti's. I like Kebab places like Attila's.
Putt-Putt was always kind of fun.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

For Chinese, try seizure world plaza. Its pretty cheap Szechuan there.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

If you are from DMV (Eastern Shore), Calinky, Geourgia, Alabama, etc. you refer to it as the War of Northern Aggression.

"People from your area get imbedding and the warm feeling of still being bitter about losing the Civil War. :)

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Snidely Owl? He is gregarious, intelligent ... he is ambitious. At times this can be aggravating as well. Hmmmm, he is absolutely a hardcore, never-say-die Redskins fan ...

"He is a rare combination of hubris, greed, ineptitude, impatience and ignorance while simultaneously and remarkably being as naive as Candide and as gullible as, well, Gulliver.
Posted by: ineptitudinality | January 14, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Yah, I agree. And what do you think are his bad traits?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Ah but RedDMV is using it as DC MD VA for DMV.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

DMV === Delware, Maryland, Virginia in other words the Eastern Shore.

DMV == Department of Motor Vehicles in Glen Burnie.

DC MD VA == The DC area. Except for anywhere with the stench of the Ballimer Ravens and the DMV.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I suppose we may be mincing words because one could say the Eastern Shore is DelMarVa. But DMV I think is confusing given the existence of a "DelMarVa".

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I may not have been reading very closely, but I don't think Gulliver was gullible per se, I just think he had a tendency to stumble into misadventures.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Love the Candide reference....i sometimes think our current age might be ripe for "Candide...The Sequel"

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I suppose we may be mincing words because one could say the Eastern Shore is DelMarVa. But DMV I think is confusing given the existence of a "DelMarVa".

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 4:17 PM

Mr. Perky, The only one "mincing words" up here is you. The only one who is confused is you. Red has explained at least a half dozen times what the DMV in his name means.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The Candidate 2, double election
The Candidate 2, Run for the Veep Steaks
The Candidate 2, Attack of the killer zombies
The Candidate 2, from primary to general
The Candidate 2, lost in space

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I live in Del-Mar-Pa
(Delaware-Maryland-Pennsylvania) area. You could even throw in south Jersey if you wanted.......dlhazeintheDMPNJ......

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 14, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I live in Dis-Col-Wa

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

dlhazeintheDMPNJ......

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 14, 2009 4:30 PM |

I would suggest you stick with dlhaze1. That other handle looks like "dlhave in the DUMP, NJ."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

When talking about the breakdown of the 2nd half of the 'Skins season, no one mentioned the latest CP accusation that the coaches changed the blocking schemes. None of the 'Skins coaches commented on the accusations, but it would explain the ineffectiveness of the O line in the 2nd half of the season, CP calling the coach a "genius", JC running for his life almost every down. It would also explain why the coaches were reluctant to go with Heyer back as a starter and CP's inability to have any more 100 yard games. If you will rewind a little you will remember all of a sudden there were no holes for CP to run through. JLC please investigate that!

Posted by: SPUD2 | January 14, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

would suggest you stick with dlhaze1. That other handle looks like "dlhave in the DUMP, NJ."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 4:33 PM

Will do....too many syllables in dlhazeintheDMPNJ anyway.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 14, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"If you are from DMV (Eastern Shore), Calinky, Geourgia, Alabama, etc. you refer to it as the War of Northern Aggression.

"People from your area get imbedding and the warm feeling of still being bitter about losing the Civil War. :)

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum "

actually it is called The War Between the States. "Northern Aggression" sounds too bitter.

It wasn't a civil war because we broke off from the United States. We were two separate countries. Two different countries can't have a civil war.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"Mr. Perky, The only one "mincing words" up here is you. The only one who is confused is you. Red has explained at least a half dozen times what the DMV in his name means.

Posted by: talent_evaluator "

Department of Motor Vehicles

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I understand that. My point is that Bmore has not been strictly a 3-4 defense and Suggs has played in a variety of positions under Rex Ryan - successfully.

Being productive in any system is a combination of a player simply being able to play (which Suggs appears to be able to do) and a coach figuring out how to maximize their talents.

When Marcus Washington was healthy, he was an effective OLB and we lined him up as a DE in passing situations. I just don't think it is beyond the pale that a player like Suggs can't be successful under similar circumstances for us.

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

There's no way to know, of course, unless they sign him. My feeling is that, in the Redskins system, he would either be a linebacker or DE, not both. Washington played DE in the nickel package in a pinch, but everyone agreed that was not ideal and would not have been the case if we had a legit pass-rushing DE. I think Suggs is one of those "tweeners" who are very difficult to gameplan for if you don't know where he'll line up (like in the Ravens complex D) and fairly easy to take advantage of if you know where he'll be (in the Skins' simpler, yet effective, defense).

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 14, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"War Between the States" is more accurate. Still, despite being a proud Southerner, I have no problem calling it by its common name, since that is what most are familiar with.

"War to Destroy the Right of Secession" would probably be even more accurate.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 14, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

""War Between the States" is more accurate. Still, despite being a proud Southerner, I have no problem calling it by its common name, since that is what most are familiar with.

"War to Destroy the Right of Secession" would probably be even more accurate.

Posted by: LiberalMike"

yeah, it's not like we all walk around screaming about "The War of Northern Aggression"!!!

I can't really remember hearing anyone refer to it as that or "The War Between the States".

But technically, that's what it is.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

It's been more than two weeks since Detroit requested an interview with Redskins secondary coach Jerry Gray for its head coaching and defensive coordinator vacancies and there's still no word from the Lions. Meanwhile, it seems Gregg Williams, Gray's boss in Washington, Buffalo and Tennessee, remains the likely fit for the coordinator's spot in New Orleans. Gray, who succeeded Williams as the Bills' coordinator in 2004, is also a candidate for the Saints opening.

If Gray remains with the Redskins, Jim Zorn will only have to hire a replacement for retired tight ends coach Rennie Simmons. The obvious choice is quality control coach Bill Khayat, who filled in last year when Simmons worked with the offensive line in the absence of Joe Bugel. Khayat, whose father Ed played for the Redskins, was a tight end at Duke as well as on a couple of NFL practice squads and in NFL Europe.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 14, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

we have a "quality control coach"?


dude should've been fired years ago

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Um, Maryland was part of the south...

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

That's how they refer to it in the deep south. Definitely Savannah and Charleston. The War of Northern Aggression. Not by these other names. Never the war between the states, never the civil war.

I guess they like to keep things simple and a war over succession seems a tad on the complex side. From their perspective the North invaded the South sans the Constitutional right to do so. There was provocation at Ft. Sumter and other places ... still ...


"yeah, it's not like we all walk around screaming about 'The War of Northern Aggression'!!!

I can't really remember hearing anyone refer to it as that or "The War Between the States".

But technically, that's what it is.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Whuddya mean, Truth, we're consistently mediocre - if that's not controlled quality, I don't know what is... lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

to zjfr2 but to all else as well - please take it easy with Joe Flacco.

This season, JC attempted more passes yet completed a higher % (62% to 58%); had only two fewer TD's (13 to 15); had 6 fewer INT's (6 to 12); had a higher QB rating (84.3 to 79.7); and rushed for more yards on fewer attempts.

The difference? Flacco's team has a malicious D that forces TO's and an O-line that keeps him upright.

JC is fine. He is far down the list of problems on this team.

Posted by: darrellgreenscousin | January 14, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Taylor Mays below:
He opted to play at USC one more year.

Truth, no Taylor Mays?

OT Andre Smith
OT Micheal Oher
OT Eugene Monroe
LB Aaron Curry
OT Ebon Britton


Anyone of these guys. I'd take Curry over Britton but not any of the other OTs.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 14, 2009

Posted by: tribeofjudah | January 14, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Without the Redskins in the playoffs, I thought this year would be rather boring.

My good friend who lives up north is a big Steelers fan is busy planning his visit to Tampa should the Steelers beat the Ravens. His family and his neighbor’s family have been season ticketholders for decades and were part of the night game debacle at Fed-Ex field.

I’ve tried to explain to him that the hotels are all ready booked and it is going to cost them $1,000 to $1.500 a piece for lodging, food, and transportation besides the cost of the Super Bowl ticket. I offered him a deal though. I would take care of everything outside of the ticket for both of them for either $1,500, or a ticket to game, or I could sleep with his wife. The last thing I heard and he was hanging up the phone was him saying “Good news honey, I can save $1,500 when I go to the Super Bowl”.

Thank goodness for tightwad, dedicated Steelers fans! Now I have a reason to root against the Ravens.

:)

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 14, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Department of Motor Vehicles

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009 4:47 PM |

You're a hating d-bag.

Per urbandictionary.com:

DMV - "This is the DC metro area. DMV stands for DC, Maryland, Virginia. The whole DMV listens to gogo music which originated in DC. We love northface gear and mambo sauce in chinese carry-outs. We rep our hood to da fullest cuz aint no other place like us anywhere in the US. Our whole swag and slang and music and clothes is different from everybody else. I can go on and on bout us but i'm not.

dude #1 where u from?
dude #2 i'm from da DMV all day 202, 301, and 703"
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I don't agree with all of this. I listen to go-go just a very little. I like duck sauce over mambo sauce on my chinese, but Nothface jackets are the ish around here.

Some people do wear clothing lines that you've never heard of around here. Usually made and designed by someone locally. All Daz is the most popular in the area.

Big shout outs to the 703!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 14, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

You sound like someone from Kalorama that had his bung hole stretched one time to many ... is TE a "hoggette"?

"Mr. Perky, The only one "mincing words" up here is you. The only one who is confused is you. Red has explained at least a half dozen times what the DMV in his name means.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Heard tell that the "Lost" clothing line was in vogue? Seems apropos for some of the whale wii's on this blog.

"Some people do wear clothing lines that you've never heard of around here. Usually made and designed by someone locally. All Daz is the most popular in the area."

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Peri, that's probably mostly whites referring to it as the war of northern aggression, no?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Usually there are two. One for defense and one for offense. Which would you pink slip first?

"we have a "quality control coach"?


dude should've been fired years ago

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Um, Maryland was part of the south...

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 5:00 PM

Actually MD was neutral in the Civil War.

Regarding which state is south and which is not, I think it depends on where you're from. To me Maryland is in the north, and south of Fredricksburg, VA is the southern region of the US.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 14, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, but Joe Flacco had more receiving yards than both Fred Davis and Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I wear dead guy's suits!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Maryland was neutral? we were Switzerland? wow. I thought the Mason-Dixon line was the line of demarcation.

Ever notice how in Maryland you order 'Southen Fried Chicken' but when you're in the deep south it's 'Maryland Fried Chicken'?

Not so much these days, but befo fo sho.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Peri, that's probably mostly whites referring to it as the war of northern aggression, no?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 5:08 PM

That's what the relatives in NC call it. They're still angey about the farm and house being burned and the "help" set free/

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 14, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

A better "DMV" quiz question:

Which are the only 2 cities that beat the DMV for the very worst traffic nationwide, possibly on the planet. The DMV would actually be the worst but for one reason. What is it?

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

That is true. I have never heard one African American refer to it as that ... nor from any other ethnic group. Of course the Hispanics have worst names for the Mexican American war ... :)


"Peri, that's probably mostly whites referring to it as the war of northern aggression, no?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, false. Maryland was not neutral. Lincoln, a bit like Stalin, "Finlandized" Maryland. The legislature was threatened with imprisonment if they voted to succeed.

Thus the term "Northern Aggression".

From a purely military standpoint placing the Nation's capital in the midst of 2 states that succeeded from the Union seems precarious at the least.

"Maryland was neutral? we were Switzerland? wow. I thought the Mason-Dixon line was the line of demarcation."

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, just for the sake of argument, Maryland Fried Chicken is prepared differently then your regular southern fried chicken.

That being said, here in Houston, we get Rockville Fried Chicken

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 14, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

oooohhhh JohnD tie-ing it in... deeep!

Nice one!

Actually, I'm very curious to the difference between the preparation methods. Do tell!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

LPD and the reverse Midas touch....

Thanks to a secret settlement, a small group of Bear Stearns investors is getting back every cent they lost. The Daily Beast’s William D. Cohan on who’s pocketing $1 million checks—and why Wall Street is furious.........

Investors frustrated by the secret settlement include billionaire Daniel Snyder, the principal owner of the Washington Redskins, who invested more than $1 million in the funds; Doug Sharon, the former head of Bear Stearns’ Boston office; and Shelly Bergman, another longtime Bear Stearns stockbroker. Sharon and Bergman both now work as brokers at Morgan Stanley and were among the largest employee investors in the hedge funds.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-01-14/the-bear-stearns-lucky-bastards/

Posted by: knight1977 | January 14, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I thought that REM was very clear on the instructions about this ... DON'T GO BACK TO ROCKVILLE ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

From that Bear-Stearns article ... nothing to see here ... move along:

"... Then there is the case of Daniel Snyder, a billionaire Washington businessman and Washington Redskins owner. He invested more than $1 million in the Bear Stearns’ hedge funds and has only received a portion of his money back. When he and his lawyers caught wind of the Galvin settlement, he understandably wanted to know if he could somehow participate in it, too. But his lawyers got no satisfaction, either. Look for Snyder to bring the Massachusetts settlement to the attention of the attorney general in Maryland, where he is a resident. Through a spokesman, Snyder declined to comment for this article. ..."

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

sween....me and dicky shuttle already busted the REM joke...and then Peri called us p@#ssies.....

nice pull on Snyder's finances....but I will only perk up when I see "Madoff"

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

to zjfr2 but to all else as well - please take it easy with Joe Flacco.

This season, JC attempted more passes yet completed a higher % (62% to 58%); had only two fewer TD's (13 to 15); had 6 fewer INT's (6 to 12); had a higher QB rating (84.3 to 79.7); and rushed for more yards on fewer attempts.

The difference? Flacco's team has a malicious D that forces TO's and an O-line that keeps him upright.

JC is fine. He is far down the list of problems on this team.

Posted by: darrellgreenscousin | January 14, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

when have I said squadush about Flacco being better than Campbell? that was never my point cause he isn't...I said JC has proven that he is a starter in this league and is a good qb, but he hasn't shown anything that would lead me to believe he is a Pro Bowl QB, cause he doesn't do things like the back shoulder pass in man to man, or put the ball in the air before the receiver is out of his break, or that he is accurate or has a quick release. But he doesn't throw a lot of picks, makes generally safe decisions, can make some plays with his legs and has a strong arm, you can win and win a lot with him. My point was that it isn't a system that will change things cause there are plenty of successful guys this year in the first year of new systems and it isn't a system that is going to turn him into an elite QB, when Flacco can make the AFC Championship game you know JC could if we had some talent around him. We need to stop waiting for the messiah at QB or the perfect "system" and build some talent on the Oline and we absolutely have to find at least one other above average receiver otherwise there are maybe 5 QB's who could take this team anywhere and they have names like Manning (although I'm not sure he's not great under pressure), Brady, Brees, McNabb, or Rivers/Cutler on the backs of their jerseys. JC is a second tier QB on an offense with mostly bottom tier talent outside of Moss, Cooley, Samuels, and CP....and other than Cooley, all of his legit talent has proven a propensity to get injured and wear down during seasons.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I guess a lot of mock drafts will have to be updated with Sam Bradford returning to Oklahoma for another year. Guess he's hoping Detroit will win a couple games and not have the first pick when he declares.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Bill Parcells should be arrested for theft. Don't you think he knew Jason Taylor was expendable and he could get some real value from the Redskins? He picked Snyders pocket big time, of course lots of people do, ie. Dion!!!

Posted by: drskinsfan | January 14, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Bill Parcells should be arrested for theft. Don't you think he knew Jason Taylor was expendable and he could get some real value from the Redskins? He picked Snyders pocket big time, of course lots of people do, ie. Dion!!!

Posted by: drskinsfan | January 14, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

They made a Rooney rule, there ought to be a Parcells rule, if you have a deal that he is willing to do, then you aren't allowed to do it. I have a buddy that I have installed a similar rule with, I refuse to take any bet he's willing to offer because he only takes sure winners.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

You sound like someone from Kalorama that had his bung hole stretched one time to many.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 5:05 PM

Kalorama? Mr. Perky, I'm from Rockville, same as you. I was the one who gave you the big tip last night when you brought the pizza to my house.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

All these guys returning to college are hurting our chances of landing an OT.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

They made a Rooney rule, there ought to be a Parcells rule, if you have a deal that he is willing to do, then you aren't allowed to do it. I have a buddy that I have installed a similar rule with, I refuse to take any bet he's willing to offer because he only takes sure winners.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 6:00 PM

Jack,

Well, it looks bad with 20-20 hindsight. But at the time, Peter King thought that Vinny had gotten a great deal. Here's what he wrote:

I am very bullish on this Jason Taylor trade, Miami dealing the unhappy defensive end to Washington for a 2009 second-round pick and a 2010 sixth. It's a better trade for Washington than Miami, but a good recovery-deal for Bill Parcells and the Dolphins.

The reason the Washington trade makes so much sense is that even if Taylor gives the 'Skins just two years, dealing the 51st pick (that was their second-rounder this year) for two seasons of a top-five pass-rusher would be worth it to any thinking football person.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/07/20/mmqb/1.html

So, maybe your Parcells Rule should also extend to writers writing about Parcells' trades?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Come on TE, ITA already. If we keep encouraging the d-bag he'll keep coming back. His pathetic monoblogging gives me a headache. Any attention is good attention to the slow.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't be the first time Parcels made Peter King look like a tool...King was the beat reporter on the Parcels giants era....

Not sure that is a solid defense TE...seems like Jacky-Z's rulle still applies.....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

sween....me and dicky shuttle already busted the REM joke...and then Peri called us p@#ssies.....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009 5:50 PM

For the life of me, I don't get why periculum has not been full on ITA-filtered. His name calling sucks and hasn't been upgraded since the 70s (and he is nowhere NEAR what The Cork has accomplished). Though he is an undeniable master of Rockville trivia ... that only helps if you want to rule the Undeniable Rockville Insider blog. He couldn't find p#ssy if he were in Cabo San Lucas over spring break. As for actual Skins rhap, I'm pretty sure he's one of the guys who talks non-stop during a game (and is quiet for the commercials) ... but he hasn't actually sat still for a game since Gibbs 1.0. His updated knowledge (Priest Holmes? Dallas Sartz?) is just repeating words he's heard or read somewhere. ITA works for me.* ~smile~

* Don't get me started on commenting ABOVE the cut and paste ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I recall the reaction on this blog when Daniels went down and we traded for Taylor. It was decidedly positive.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Each day, the hamsters have a new fight or three.

This is the cost of not making the playoffs.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 14, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't follow the 'cult' of Colt, so to speak. But at the same time I am not dismissing a young player that seems to have the attributes usually associated with running the WCO - quick release, mobility in the pocket, fluid throwing motion, accuracy on the intermediate crossing routes. He also seems to have a natural feel for being a leader, which is something Campbell has not shown us to date.

Posted by: leopard09 | January 14, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I have a Rooney Rule question, specifically about elevating a coordinator with a pre-existing head coach job clause. I understand the first time they did it ... seemed like it was a contract that predated the Rooney Rule. I don't get it for Mora Jr. He just got that contract and head coach elevator clause last year. Seems like a fairly large loophole if you can hire your replacement head coach a year out, then have him sit as a coordinator for a year, without having interviewed anyone else. Its almost like you could use the coordinator year as a "practice year" to see whether you really do want him as head coach (after which, you can either elevate or fire).

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I was pro Taylor trade...and yes hindsight is in full effect.....but Parcels is like lucy pulling out the football during Chrlie's place kicking.....

hopefully once bitten...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Yes Jason Campbell is a fine young man and all that, but I say let's give him 09 to either get it done or move on. Ryan, and Flacco were exposed to new systems and made it to the playoffs, all these excuses about JC having to learn new systems are getting old. Yeah the Oline is pourous but successful QB's either get rid of the ball quicker, move in the pocket, or run it. He needs to really work on the accuracy of his deep throws and just throw caution to the wind and be a gambler sometimes, let your WR make a play!! Also he needs to stop locking in on receivers sometimes.I wish him the best but I think this upcoming season should be do or die for JC, hopefully the young WR's will step up, man up, we shore up the Oline thru the draft. I also agree with other posters that as long as Dan Snyder is more concerned with keeping his yes man butt buddy Vinny around instead of hiring a competent and proven GM then we'll always be talking about "next year", as we have been doing for way too many years now. It's starting to get old.

Posted by: 72Redskins | January 14, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I was pro Taylor trade...and yes hindsight is in full effect.....but Parcels is like lucy pulling out the football during Chrlie's place kicking.....

hopefully once bitten...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009 6:22 PM

Unfortunately we've already been bitten repeatedly, just by different dogs. For the record, I, too, was pro Taylor. I wish he played the whole season like the last 2 games.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

You can say all you want about Campbell but his struggles will continue until some receivers are found that fit in well in the WC offense. This offense more than most puts a premium on having the receivers doing a good job and so far the Skins' receivers have not shown a lot of promise. Another remark, off topic but as long as I am commenting I will include it. Albert Haynesworth. I am not saying the Skins should court him as a FA, but they need someone like him on their DL. Mean as a snake, nasty as a grizzly, predatory as a shark. You get the picture. When he stomped on that dude's head everyone, at least in public, recoiled in shock at the beastly deed. But in truth the guy had it coming. He should have secured his helmet. He had been holding Haynesworth repeatedly and the officials had not called any penalty. It was down at goal line where the offense was trying to put seven points on the board. He wasn't hurt which I am sure Haynesworth could have done if he wanted to. Privately, those who realize that football isn't patty cakes were impressed with the animal spirit behind the act - if you provoke me you will feel your pain.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | January 14, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Clearly the lesson of the day, the one thing I hope we all take away, is don't go back to "Don't Go Back to Rockville."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

You know guys, I really appreciate all this draft talk about the lines, but honestly, we need to start talking about drafting a really good punter and long-snapper with our first few picks. If we're lucky, maybe we could even get a backup kicker with one of our compensation picks!

Seriously, though, its the foundation of a team....I hate our front office...

Posted by: nalsmith | January 14, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse


I see scrambled brains is back. I don't start it ... but I seem to end up finishing it. And I can enjoy doing it. Monoblogging? Hmmm well it sure looks like you enjoy referring to me ...

silly wet dishrag wet spaghetti brains like yours don't present much of a challenge ... ~smiles~

"Come on TE, ITA already. If we keep encouraging the d-bag he'll keep coming back. His pathetic monoblogging gives me a headache. Any attention is good attention to the slow.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

That was only one part of his post. You forgot to mention the part about needing reliable receivers and offensive line production. The only QB I ever saw play well without them on a consistent basis was John Elway before he won the superbowl.

Posted by: kenboy1 | January 14, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Nah, I'm the guy who forced your head between the school latrines until you were stuck at school. And gave you the shiners outside. :) And stole your lunch money.

"Kalorama? Mr. Perky, I'm from Rockville, same as you. I was the one who gave you the big tip last night when you brought the pizza to my house.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse


He didn't win enough games for his team, but he certainly wasn't losing them. Even at his worst, he kept his team in games.


Is this supposed to be a positive trait? What team actually wants this from its franchise QB?

Posted by: learnedhand1

That was only one part of his post. You forgot to mention the part about needing reliable receivers and offensive line production. The only QB I ever saw put good points on the board without them on a consistent basis was John Elway before he won the superbowl.

Posted by: kenboy1 | January 14, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I guess I think Campbell will make all-pro. I think he will be at least as good as McNabb in time. The caveat is that he probably needs to have confidence in both his OL and his receivers. This last year that confidence seems to have eroded in both areas to a great extent.

If anything he is probably the best thing Gibbs did in Gibbs 2.0 for the Redskins.

My intuition tells me that even with the current talent at receiver wholesale improvement to the OL in this draft may make a huge difference next year.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

OK, Jason T. gets two years. Year one, one sack and 8 million. Now we have one year left! He could make the pro bowl and Parcells is still the winner on this deal.

Posted by: drskinsfan | January 14, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

This aggression will not stand, man.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 14, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh I am sorry, thought you were saying that Priest Holmes said not to go back to Rockville ... ~smiles~

"sween....me and dicky shuttle already busted the REM joke...and then Peri called us p@#ssies.....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't recall being positive about that.

Although I have to admit, given the glowing accolades from Blache I am now. I hope that he resigns with the team (for a much lower sum).

"I recall the reaction on this blog when Daniels went down and we traded for Taylor. It was decidedly positive.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Or ... if you can't take it don't dish it out.

"Clearly the lesson of the day, the one thing I hope we all take away, is don't go back to "Don't Go Back to Rockville."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

And I am still here wondering why Jason would choose to ignore this critical flaw in the Redskins personnel; Having the worst field goal kicker in the NFL.

"You know guys, I really appreciate all this draft talk about the lines, but honestly, we need to start talking about drafting a really good punter"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

My take on the draft is still OL and a field goal kicker. I'd absolutely love to see them draft the big, fast, talented LB, Safety, CB. But I just don't see how they can possibly consider doing that given the current state of the OL.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

OK, Jason T. gets two years. Year one, one sack and 8 million. Now we have one year left! He could make the pro bowl and Parcells is still the winner on this deal.

Posted by: drskinsfan | January 14, 2009 6:48 PM Actually, he got 3.5 sacks this year. Half a sack in week 15 and 2 in the last, none of which really mattered.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Inquiring Minds would like to know: What do you say when you are from the DelMarVa peninsula? What do you say when you are from Ballimer? What do you say if you are between the Cumberland gap / the Baltimore Pike and DMV? What do you say when you are stuck on 270 trying to get home from West Virginny and its crawling at less than 2 miles per hour?


"dude #1 where u from?
dude #2 i'm from da DMV all day 202, 301, and 703"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 14, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks thunder, is it alright if I'm still proud to be a Campbell?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I think Jason Campbell is a good quarterback and I'd love to see him behind a good offensive line (the kind of O.L. the Redskins used to be known for).

Scampbell, I think you should remain proud to be a Campbell. Just don't name your kids Hitler, and all should be well.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 14, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Scampbell, I think you should remain proud to be a Campbell. Just don't name your kids Hitler, and all should be well.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 14, 2009 7:17 PM |

I think I can do that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Guys, need an assist. Terps hoops is my 2nd sports love. Their website lists the game tonight as on "Raycom split"

http://umterps.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/md-m-baskbl-sched.html

Any idea what channel this is on?? It seems to rotate - i.e., last Saturday's game was actually on Fox 5 as part of Raycom....any info would be most appreciated.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 14, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I would take care of everything outside of the ticket for both of them for either $1,500, or a ticket to game, or I could sleep with his wife. The last thing I heard and he was hanging up the phone was him saying “Good news honey, I can save $1,500 when I go to the Super Bowl”.

Thank goodness for tightwad, dedicated Steelers fans! Now I have a reason to root against the Ravens.

:)


Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 14, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

THAT'S GOT TO BE THE BEST POST OF THE YEAR! GO STEELERS!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

p.s. just catching up on the DMV nonsense. Save 1 year in Sweden for general tomofoolery and 4 yrs in Ohio for college (and general tomofoolery), I've lived my whole life (30 yrs) in DC, MD or VA. Never once have I referred to it as "DMV". I don't even think I've ever heard that before. DMV automatically reminds me of Dept of Motor Vehicles.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 14, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

And I am still here wondering why Jason would choose to ignore this critical flaw in the Redskins personnel; Having the worst field goal kicker in the NFL.

"You know guys, I really appreciate all this draft talk about the lines, but honestly, we need to start talking about drafting a really good punter"

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 6:58 PM

There is no guarantee in drafting kickers or punters, even when they rae the best in the country. They're tricky, kind of like college QB's. Remember, Brooks was hands down the top punter last year in the draft, "booming leg", fantastic hang time, only one kicker in the NFL with his leg strength...he was a no brainer to solve our punting problem (though I never though Frost was so terrible). Trouble is, he stunk.

Posted by: kenboy1 | January 14, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

So, maybe your Parcells Rule should also extend to writers writing about Parcells' trades?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

That's why they are sportswriters, not GM's.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Other Campbell related news.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 14, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

oh wow....sad, but funny how they can't even spell "Himmler" - I assume that "Hinler" was an attempted shout out to Hitler's SS chief

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 14, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Did y'all see this on ESPN.COM? This is Jerry Jones talking about the posiblity of releasing TO

"I think we all know that chemistry is the problem with this team more than the schemes or anything else,'' a Cowboys source said. "Are we going to continue to allow talent to outweigh everything else in the decisions we make with players and putting the roster together? We're like the Redskins used to be when they signed every player they wanted. There's more to it than talent. It has to be more about the team.''

Posted by: rickyroge | January 14, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Nice to know that Dallas has similar problems ... apparently worst!

There's your FA linebacker replacement for Washington if you can get him. DeMarcus Ware. Pass Rush problem solved.

"At least two sources believe that vice president Stephen Jones will attempt to convince his father that Owens should be finished with the Cowboys. But Jerry Jones just last year invested a $12 million signing bonus in Owens, which means there would be salary-cap fallout. In fact, Jerry Jones has suggested that there might be enough damage that the team would find it difficult to sign NFL sack leader DeMarcus Ware to a new contract."

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

That's why they are sportswriters, not GM's.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2009 7:56 PM

But then why's Vinny a GM, not a sportswriter?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I guess a lot of mock drafts will have to be updated with Sam Bradford returning to Oklahoma for another year. Guess he's hoping Detroit will win a couple games and not have the first pick when he declares.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2009 5:54 PM
============================================
Can't blame him for that, but this along with Taylor Mays going back to school does affect the top 13. (BTW I think Matt Stafford is the QB most likely to be enjoying the roaring economy of Motor City next year.)

I'd guess we still have a decent shot at one of the top 4, but I've been revising my idea

(Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 9, 2009 8:26 PM)

of what we should do if we trade to a lower pick in the first round, along with a 2nd (best case).

Not Duke Robinson or Alex Mack.

Alex Mack. He could play guard for us until we need him to move to center, at which position he is the most awesome prospect in forever (I read both these claims on the internet somewhere, so they must be true.)
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 14, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

That's why they are sportswriters, not GM's.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2009 7:56 PM

But then why's Vinny a GM, not a sportswriter?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I thought he was a sportscaster. He has his own show.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

My wild ass guess at this point is that every team will try to trade down in order to pay lower salaries. I'm expecting that we will see lower salaries this year in free agency (like in baseball) and we will see a lot of players cut because of their salaries -- not just the Redskins but all over the league. I also think that some of these guys who are staying in college for another year are getting advice that they can get a better contract next year than they can this year. The recession is real and is getting bigger -- deeper and lonter -- and it will take its toll on NFL salaries.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I think everything you write up here is funny, Mr. Perky. But not funny in the good, ha-ha way. Funny.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

YEEEEE!!!! HA!!!!!

Sign it people!

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/firecerrato

Posted by: columbiard | January 14, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I also think that some of these guys who are staying in college for another year are getting advice that they can get a better contract next year than they can this year. The recession is real and is getting bigger -- deeper and lonter -- and it will take its toll on NFL salaries.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 9:24 PM
=============================================
Those guys might be getting bad advice. The people who think next year is going to be better than this year are optimists.

Other people witnessed the real estate bubble that crippled Japan for over a decade, and say to themselves, "Ours was even bigger."
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 14, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

p.s. just catching up on the DMV nonsense. Save 1 year in Sweden for general tomofoolery and 4 yrs in Ohio for college (and general tomofoolery), I've lived my whole life (30 yrs) in DC, MD or VA. Never once have I referred to it as "DMV". I don't even think I've ever heard that before. DMV automatically reminds me of Dept of Motor Vehicles.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 14, 2009 7:52 PM

It ain't nonsense, guy.

IT'S DC, MD, AND VA. You Know, 'D', for D.C., 'M' for Maryland, and 'V' for Virginia.

*sigh*

With a name like 'Notorious', I'd expect you to be a little more in tune with "the times".

When you were coming up around the DMV cocaine was still an ingredient in Coca Cola (j/k)... it's simply a new short way to refer to the DC, MD, VA. Popular among the hip-hop, pop, and urban generation. Good gawd...

Bread. Keep it simple.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 14, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I find it difficult that Jason was watching the same QB.

JC and his no risk offense was OK until the league figured out that JC was no threat and they could focus on the run. When JC had to pass, they blitzed him because he could always be counted on to pass to the check off man short of the first down.

JC is not a real NFL QB. A real NFL QB makes plays or at least attempts to make plays. We are talking about the QB who threw short on 4th down against the Giants with the game on the line, rather than attempting to pass to one of two single covered receivers who were beyond the first down marker.

Posted by: mfamrf | January 14, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, dudes get to pick their own names up here and if Red says DMV is Delaware, Maryland and Vagina, then that's what it is. And you, Nororious_LMG, you can be Nororious Louisiana, Mississippi and Georgia and we don't get to tell you that it's not.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

JC is not a real NFL QB. A real NFL QB makes plays or at least attempts to make plays. We are talking about the QB who threw short on 4th down against the Giants with the game on the line, rather than attempting to pass to one of two single covered receivers who were beyond the first down marker.

I just want to warn you that this kind of talk is not approved around here.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 14, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Bread. Keep it simple.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 14, 2009 9:50 PM

Is that supposed to be a shot at white people? White bread?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Bread. Keep it simple.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 14, 2009 9:50 PM

Is that supposed to be a shot at white people? White bread?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2009 10:44 PM
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I figured he meant these guys.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 14, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Man, if that's an accepted stereotype of white people we are in trouble. Thanks '70s.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

i'm missing good stuff aren't i? i just scanned and i missed the usage of the p word...ohh well...too bad so sad...

for the record i hate rockville. i have to detox everytime i come back from there. and i absolutely HATE using "dmv" to describe this area...the name is so so so lame. is north face a local company like honest tea?

Posted by: dealer1 | January 14, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

JLaC needs to quit the pimp game. Everyone will be broke working for him.

Go and watch 'The Mack' again. I got a DVD signed by The Mack himself. Maybe I'll send it to you someday......

I never saw a post critiqing (sp?) a position and blame everyone for thei faults but the actual positional player (QB).

Wow.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Finally a post went through!

Now, lets go back to the Tackle Post for a quick sec to appease 4th.....

Pimpin, Pimpin, pimping..........

Take a Tackle with the 13th pick??

Wow.

Heyer isn't ready?

WTF are you and these posters looking at? It certainly isn't the OLine.

Most guys don't just come in and become pro bowlers. They play and develop. Heyer has developed. And he started last year on a playoff team, lest all of you forgot.

Next year will be Sameuls/Heyer starting with Jansen as the primary back up. Then you continue to develop the youth.

Gaurds - I don't JLaC gave an accurate analysis on Kendall. He did a great job for us for these 2 years.

AND HE WAS PULLING SUCCESSFULLY in the 1st half of the season. Do you not have a vivid picture of Portis sweeping with his hand on Kendalls back riding him for an extra 10 yards or so consistently???????????

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I suppose we may be mincing words because one could say the Eastern Shore is DelMarVa. But DMV I think is confusing given the existence of a "DelMarVa".

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2009 4:17 PM

What's confusing?

Delmarva and DMV are totally different. Go ahead and say both words in your head. They don't sound the same do it?

Delmarva refers to the penninsula that encompasses the eastern shore of Delaware, Maryland, and Virgina.

DMV refers to new slang of the DC metropolatan area mainly used by suburban people to feel more urban (no disrespaect to Red). I've never heard anyone in DC or from DC use it, but radio and marylanders use it often......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 14, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Per urbandictionary.com:

DMV - "This is the DC metro area. DMV stands for DC, Maryland, Virginia. The whole DMV listens to gogo music which originated in DC. We love northface gear and mambo sauce in chinese carry-outs. We rep our hood to da fullest cuz aint no other place like us anywhere in the US. Our whole swag and slang and music and clothes is different from everybody else. I can go on and on bout us but i'm not.

............................

I like Mambo sauce only because it taste like BBQ sauce.

BUT, NORTHFACE IS NOT DC OR DMV OR WHATEVER!! IT WAS ORRIGIANLLY EDDIE BAUER!!

People, remember your DC history. PLEASE!

I know so because I was robbed for my Eddie and so was a lot people. People use to rob people for their Eddie's off their back more often then dudes smsh car windows and steal GPS systems and snatch IPods combined nowadays......

Northface is soooo NYC. When I went to college at Eastern Shore back in 1998, I hooked with some Brooklyn dudes (grimmy) and they wore Northface jackets and I have never heard of these. And they use to say that is all they wear up there. And all we wore were Eddie Bauers.

Then, about 5 years ago, bamas down here started sportting the Northface. The only difference is those NY dude wear the bubble coat, where DMV dudes don't sport those, but the all black slick joints.

I will never wear/buy a Northface because I know that's a fake DC fashion like wearing Skinny Jeans that sag........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Last but not least:

Dosen't Coooley lose cool points for leaving his car running and leaving it sooo long??

I didn't read the post, but that was a Gardner, Rod type move.

That was a Kwame Brown type move.

That was a Rod Strickland drunk type move.

That was a Pac Man being sober type move.

That was a Plaxico Buress quick limp away escape type move.

That was a try to do that in PG County and think it'll still be there type move.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

* Don't get me started on commenting ABOVE the cut and paste ...

Posted by: dcsween

Amen, Mr. Sween. I had to swear off the occasional brilliance of the peri because I couldn't parse the comments.

Posted by: daggar | January 15, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

"JC is not a real NFL QB. A real NFL QB makes plays or at least attempts to make plays. We are talking about the QB who threw short on 4th down against the Giants with the game on the line, rather than attempting to pass to one of two single covered receivers who were beyond the first down marker."

This would be valid if it were true. But since it's not, you lose all credibility with your argument.

That is unless you can provide evidence of a 4th down play against the Giants where the Redskins had "two single covered receivers who were beyond the first down marker" that Campbell decided to ignore in favor of a dump-off, that just happened to be missed by everybody else on this blog. My guess is you pulled that straight out of your @ss.

Nice try repping your bias though.

Posted by: psps23 | January 15, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

My point, from my post oh, a few hundred posts back, is NOT that Campbell is a bad QB. He's not bad. My argument is that he is not good enough to overcome how Vinny and Danny have messed up the rest of the roster.

Hoping that Vinny and Danny can get 10 decent offensive players to surround Campbell is unrealistic.

However, over the past few years the NFL has proven that a great QB and a good coach are all a team needs to overcome a flawed roster.

At this time last year, nobody would have bought the idea that by upgrading to a great QB and a good coach, the following teams would be over .500 or in the playoffs:
Miami
Atlanta
NY Jets
Baltimore
Arizona


I'm not bashing Campbell. Put him on the Titans and they still make the playoffs. But the Redskins will never have a team like the Titans with Vinny around. Our best hope is to lure a great QB and coach to our team. Just 2 guys... seems better for our front office to get 2 guys right rather than 10 guys.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 15, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Are we really talking about what cheesy trendy winter coats say about where you live?

Very, very lame....

Carhartt is how I roll....

I also just got the timberland boots made out of all recycled material.....mad boss...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

whatever on Campbell...the bama is our QB so we ball with him.....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Here's an offensive/QB related theory about our defense... I wonder what you guys think:

I believe our defense is good enough... playoff caliber good enough...but not nearly as good as we think.

The reason we don't get alot of turnovers or sacks is because teams have a conservative game plan against us: they know we won't score alot of points so they don't need to take as many risks to score points to keep up with us.

That's why our defense is statistically good, but not a top 5 defense in reality.

If our offense ever got it together, and opposing teams were forced to play more aggressively/dangerously to keep up, I would like to see if our defense would generate a good number of turnovers and sacks, or if the result would be that our defense got torched every game.

I sure would like to find out.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 15, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind seeing the Skins sign any of the following free agents:

LG Chris Kemoteatu
RT Mark Trauscher
RT Mark Stinchcomb
DT Albert Haynesworth
SLB Terrell Suggs
WR TJ Houshmandzadeh
K Rob Bironas
K Shayne Graham
P Shane Lechler
P Sam Koch
RB Brandon Jacobs

And cutting or not signing:

Kendall
Griffin
Washington
Thrash
Suisham
Plackemeier
Cartwright

Posted by: siris | January 15, 2009 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Wear "Lost" instead then you can be a DMV gnarly surfer dude.

"I will never wear/buy a Northface because I know that's a fake DC fashion like wearing Skinny Jeans that sag........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure that Vinnie is as much the problem as Snyder (Snidely Owl) himself. He is his own worst enemy. As for a great QB coach. Zorn wasn't a bad left handed QB when he was a pro.

"But the Redskins will never have a team like the Titans with Vinny around. Our best hope is to lure a great QB and coach to our team."

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 1:59 AM | Report abuse

"I believe our defense is good enough... playoff caliber good enough...but not nearly as good as we think."

I kind of believe they are far better than we all realize. That was proven in the 2nd Eagles match up when most everyone returned reasonably healthy. They shut down a team that in all likelihood will end up in the superbowl.

They beat them convincingly 10-3. All on defense.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 2:09 AM | Report abuse

I have just this to say sween ...

Paint your bald spot? :)

"He couldn't find p#ssy if he were in Cabo San Lucas over spring break. "

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 2:14 AM | Report abuse

"* Don't get me started on commenting ABOVE the cut and paste ...

Posted by: dcsween

Amen, Mr. Sween. I had to swear off the occasional brilliance of the peri because I couldn't parse the comments.

Posted by: daggar | January 15, 2009"

Awww that's because the Sween paints his bald spot.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 2:18 AM | Report abuse

"People, remember your DC history. PLEASE!"

Yeah the part that is now DC used to be a part of Montgomery County, which in turn, used to be Prince George's County ....

hmmm MontPrincDist or something ...

and the Willard is where the word Lobbyist comes from ...
corrupt pols used to lurk in the lobby waiting for bribes.

what the criminy I lived in Italy for a good bit. They actually set all of these fashions before anyone here even knows about them. In Milan ... (Paris and the frogs just copy).

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 2:24 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2009 2:28 AM | Report abuse

Here's an offensive/QB related theory about our defense... I wonder what you guys think:

I believe our defense is good enough... playoff caliber good enough...but not nearly as good as we think.

The reason we don't get alot of turnovers or sacks is because teams have a conservative game plan against us: they know we won't score alot of points so they don't need to take as many risks to score points to keep up with us.

That's why our defense is statistically good, but not a top 5 defense in reality.

If our offense ever got it together, and opposing teams were forced to play more aggressively/dangerously to keep up, I would like to see if our defense would generate a good number of turnovers and sacks, or if the result would be that our defense got torched every game.

I sure would like to find out.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 15, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse


Our defense drops a ton of passes that hit them in the hands and they can't pressure the QB, which is where a lot of fumbles come from. Easy as that.

Posted by: saqster | January 15, 2009 6:49 AM | Report abuse


While I think JC is a no doubt starter in this league, I also don't think he's a pro bowl QB ever. He just doesn't make the throws unless its a slant, screen, or his guy has broken wide open. You never see him throw the back shoulder throw against single coverage, you never see him release the ball before the receiver breaks, and you rarely see him challenge single coverage deep. Unless he suddenly learns how to do that, he'll never take that next step and after 4 years I'm not sure how much "learning" he has left in him. We all still act like he's a rookie or something, yeah he's had to learn several systems, but that stuff is universal to any system, and don't give me that Zorn's WCO is so much harder than the WCO he ran in college or that everyone else picks up quickly. Pennington learned a new system in like 2 weeks, Flacco, Ryan, and others all learn systems quickly.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 14, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse


Dead on! Campbell won't throw to "covered" receivers, yet we see plays ALL THE TIME where a receiver makes a big play downfield with 1 or 2 defenders around him (Clayton against the Titans) or at least draws a flag (we were last in the league in pass interference calls).

People make too many excuses for Campbell. The same Ravens O line sucked with Boller behind it (35 sacks a few years ago) and most of the playoff teams had receiving corps as bad or worse than ours. Remember how bad Atlanta's receivers were with Vick as their QB? Ryan had the same talent to work with and took his team to the playoffs and made Roddy White a pro-bowler.

The 6-2 start was smoke and mirrors. Zorn got figured out and the Skins went on to score less points than the 0-16 Lions. We needed a QB who could do more. We're not the Titans or Ravens.

The stats don't tell the whole story. Campbell is tentative, doesn't move around in the pocket well, holds onto the ball too long and makes inaccurate thows (when he actually make a throw).

Look at how many QBs went downfield to "covered" receivers during the playoffs. We have a QB who won't or can't make those throws.

Posted by: saqster | January 15, 2009 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Look at how many QBs went downfield to "covered" receivers during the playoffs. We have a QB who won't or can't make those throws.

Posted by: saqster | January 15, 2009 7:02 AM

Jake Delhome looked fantastic doing what you want.

Stupid is as stupid does.

The same folks complaining about the lack of risks would be the first to complain about I N Ts.

Don't have to like him but there are no better options and Brett Farve isn't walking through that door.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 15, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

I see some jacksjk was doing some serious monoblogging last night. Some good ITA to go with it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: icetotalpackage | January 15, 2009 7:37 AM | Report abuse

I see some jacksjk was doing some serious monoblogging last night. Some good ITA to go with it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2009 7:35 AM |

There is something wrong with that guy, I had squashed the Rockville argument and then everyone got him going again.

You still working from home?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Are we really talking about what cheesy trendy winter coats say about where you live?

Very, very lame....

Carhartt is how I roll....

I also just got the timberland boots made out of all recycled material.....mad boss...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2009 12:31 AM |

Lamer than talking about Rockville??

Pleaze...

I was just talking about whateve was on the blog earlier and correcting facts that were inaccurate.

Where's the prob?

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

It ain't nonsense, guy.
-redmv

dude, you just said GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!EWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

4th, i'm wearing my north face jacket you know why? cuz it's friggin cold out there!!! "colder than a witches' #@tie!"

Posted by: dealer1 | January 15, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

4th, i'm wearing my north face jacket you know why? cuz it's friggin cold out there!!! "colder than a witches' #@tie!"

Posted by: dealer1 | January 15, 2009 7:49 AM |

dealer,

I always liked colder the a well diggers ankle. My dad used to say that all the time.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

THe Skins were 6&2 when the O-line was blocking OK, Portis was healthy and Campbell had time to throw

Campbell will improve next season, I'm just not so sure the O-Line will

Campbell also needs help from Kelly and Thomas and Davis.

Our offense got found out as soon as Portis got hurt, all you do is close down Moss and Cooley and we had nothing left

It's time to release Thrash, get another WR in and some help on the line

I think Zorn will improve Campbell anyway, and all those other things will make him an even better QB next season

Keep the faith

Posted by: nookie1 | January 15, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

flounder, and tomorrow it'll be "colder than the witches' other #@tie"...ha haa get it? hmmm well digger? as soon as i read that i rembered the first scene of that movie with my left foot dude...what was that movie's name? it was nominated for the best movie of the year last year but didn't win it....arghhhhhhh

Posted by: dealer1 | January 15, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

It the coldest its been here in the seven years I've lived here. The a/c is off and the windows are closed. Rarely do I have to turn the a/c off but if I do, the windows are open.

People are dying up in the north. (I guess its the same way people die in Chicago in brutal heat waves - because its not even freezing but the houses just aren't built for it.)

Posted by: bangkokben | January 15, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

dealer,

There will be blood

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

thank you flounder...i knew it had the word blood in it...and daniel day lewis...of the last of the mohicans...

Posted by: dealer1 | January 15, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

ben, it's cold cuz you don't have the ac on??? wtf...is it summertime over there? let me guess the temperature 60 degrees (F)?

Posted by: dealer1 | January 15, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

thank you flounder...i knew it had the word blood in it...and daniel day lewis...of the last of the mohicans...

Posted by: dealer1 | January 15, 2009 8:18 AM |

dealer,

He was great in Gangs of New York

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Forecast for Bangkok
5-Day Forecast

Friday Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday

84° F | 60° F
87° F | 64° F
93° F | 66° F
95° F | 64° F
96° F | 69° F

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

"However, over the past few years the NFL has proven that a great QB and a good coach are all a team needs to overcome a flawed roster.

At this time last year, nobody would have bought the idea that by upgrading to a great QB and a good coach, the following teams would be over .500 or in the playoffs:
Miami
Atlanta
NY Jets
Baltimore
Arizona

Posted by: jgarrisn

I hardly think any of the teams mentioned above, save for the Cardinals, constitute a "flawed roster" that was overcome because of a QB. Atlanta brought in Michael Turner, who ended up 3rd in the league in MVP voting, as well as drafted an offensive tackle with their first round pick to anchor their line. The Jets brought in Alan Faneca, Damien Woody, and Kris Jenkins to anchor the heart of their team, the offensive and defensive lines (Favre was not the reason for their turnaround). Miami had 9 draft picks, six of which were dedicated to their offensive and defensive lines, including the #1 overall pick in the draft. Arizona has the most dangerous offensive weapons of any team in the league, but I'll give you that one -- Kurt Warner was the sole reason for their turnaround. And Baltimore was winning this season with Flacco putting up worse numbers than Campbell because of their defense. They would have been winning this season if Troy Smith was under center.

I DO think however, that the coaching changes that were made were paramount to some of these teams' success. Miami would not have been successful without the wildcat and intuitive playcalling from Sparano. Baltimore, and especially Flacco, would not have been successful if Cam Cameron wasn't there to do everything in his power to lessen the load on the QB position. Mike Smith nearly single-handedly changed the culture and attitude in Atlanta. Zorn needs to develop an identity here in Washington, and one that doesn't involve the sentiment 'I'm perfect, the players are the problem' (which is how I constantly read his post-game comments).

Posted by: psps23 | January 15, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Friday Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday

84° F | 60° F
87° F | 64° F
93° F | 66° F
95° F | 64° F
96° F | 69° F


Posted by: Flounder21

It is so wrong to post that when it is only 17 here in dirty jerz.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | January 15, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

i think we should trade campbell...and play colt brennan !! when he gets in the game gets more exciteing !

Posted by: lilchenzo26 | January 15, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,

Looks like the a/c will be on soon. 60 degrees - which you won't be seeing for 90 days - is damn cold here. Everyone has their biggest coat on and gathered around burning trash.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 15, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Weather for Columbus, OH 43215

2°F
Current: Clear
Wind: W at 0 mph
Humidity: 78%

Plus it snowed all day and most of the night...think that's about 6 inches. Tonight will be windy and low of -6°F.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 15, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

LaCafora said: He doesn't make excuses and accepts blame.
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What don't you read your own paper? Campbell complained about no receivers being open in the end zone and that is why he doesn't throw TD's. Campbell complained about no one down field to through the ball to.. all Campbell does is make EXCUSES!!!

LaCafora said: He didn't win enough games for his team, but he certainly wasn't losing them.
______
And that should be the STANDARD to make someone your starting QB??? Besides by NOT scoring points he was LOSING GAMES!!! The Redskins under Campbell scored less points than the 0-16 Lions for Petes Sake!!! Face it Campbell is a MEDIOCRE QB. What he can do is play conservative enough so he doesn't take that blame when they lose.. that is NOT GOOD ENOUGH and the Skins should expect more from their QB.

LaCafore said: Why not do what Chicago has done for Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman in recent years, only with a nice little signing bonus in the $5 million-to-$10 million range?
____
What is he NUTS??? Both those QBs for the Bears SUCK and I'm betting they wish they had their money back right now. But at least the Bears can say they reached the Super Bowl with Grossman what has Campbell done to be worth $5 to $10 million??? NOTHING!!! Hey if he doesn't like it he can leave.. Skins should happy to see him go. LaCafora is another IDIOT worried about Campbell's FEELINGS!! I'm worried about WINNING!!! So let Campbell EARN the starting job in camp this summer and to hell if it hurts his feeling he has to WORK to keep his job. The way I see it Colt will blow Campbell away in camp anyway.. that should solve the problem about Campbells long term contract..


Posted by: sovine08 | January 15, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Jason isn't smart enough to play quarterback, trade him and either promote Colt or go get another QB. How many years are we going to let him do mediocre play? The excuse that he has never had the same system 2 years in a row, well aren't the quarterbacks supposed to be able to adapt? You would think that he could have picked up at least ONE of the previous systems? Cut him loose while we can still get something for him.

Posted by: retirewealthy3 | January 15, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

For all those pushing to Colt B, can we remember that he's a side arm QB? Also, in the only game that he played a decent team, he was terrible. I know he had a few good plays against 3rd and 4th string defenses last pre-season, but to think he'll do better than JC is nuts.

Posted by: DenverdoesDalls | January 15, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I live in Dallas so although I am a second generation season ticket holder I rarely get to see every game. While I appreciate the comments regarding the 5 and 7 step drops (I don't agree 100%), why is there no discussion of the lack of Campbell's ability to hit the quick slant on rhythm? Maybe I missed the games where that happened but each time I saw a quick slant thrown I saw Campbell stare down the receiver and wait until the receiver had taken 5 steps before throwing the ball. I know this is "Jim Zorn's version of the west coast offense, but no other team throws this staple of that offense that way. Did I miss something? Seems hard to blame that on the line.

Posted by: Rusty_DiNicola | January 15, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"JC is not a real NFL QB. A real NFL QB makes plays or at least attempts to make plays. We are talking about the QB who threw short on 4th down against the Giants with the game on the line, rather than attempting to pass to one of two single covered receivers who were beyond the first down marker."

This would be valid if it were true. But since it's not, you lose all credibility with your argument.

"That is unless you can provide evidence of a 4th down play against the Giants where the Redskins had "two single covered receivers who were beyond the first down marker" that Campbell decided to ignore in favor of a dump-off, that just happened to be missed by everybody else on this blog. My guess is you pulled that straight out of your @ss.

Nice try repping your bias though."

First game of the season at the Meadowlands. Check out the game tape.

Posted by: mfamrf | January 15, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

To all those thinking Colt can't be the starting QB this year because he only looked good going against 3rd string defenses let me remind you he also did it with a 3rd string offense!!! He didn't have Moss or Cooley to throw to, he didn't have Portis to take pressure off running the ball and if you think the starting OL was bad imagine how the 3rd stringers protecting Colt were. Yet Colt excelled compaired to all other rookie QB's including Ryan and Flacco. Besides if throwing against the 3rd string defense is so easy how come Campbell didn't excel when he was a rookie??? It's simple give Colt a FAIR SHOT of winning the starting job in camp. Let him start a preseason game.. only then will we know who gives the Skins the best chance to win next season. And BTW how good was Colt last year.. these are his stats... "Brennan led all 2008 NFL rookies in touchdown passes, passing yards and quarterback rating through the preseason. He finished the 2008 preseason with a very strong performance, going 36 for 53, throwing for 411 yards and 3 touchdowns with no interceptions. For the preseason, Brennan's completion percentage was 67.9% and his quarterback rating was 109.9. He also rushed on 2 attempts, gaining 11 yards."

Posted by: sovine08 | January 15, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"For all those pushing to Colt B, can we remember that he's a side arm QB? Also, in the only game that he played a decent team, he was terrible. I know he had a few good plays against 3rd and 4th string defenses last pre-season, but to think he'll do better than JC is nuts."

Colt throws at different angles depending upon the situation. Sometimes sidearm is the only way to make a completion when a defender is closing in on the QB with arms up.

Colt had many good games against good teams, including a National Championship USC team. JC only faced one team of similar caliber, the 03 USC team and got destroyed, 6 sacks, fumble, INT 0 points. Based on that game against the "only game he played against a decent team" JC should never have been a 1st round pick.

Posted by: mfamrf | January 15, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"I've been supportive of Jason Campbell's work from the get-go and still believe he is mentally and physically capable of being a very good quarterback for a long time."
I believe you made up your mind several years ago and refuse to let go despite everything you have seen. JC is no good and never will be good.
"But obviously he's not there yet."
Obviously and never will be.
"At the midpoint of the season Campbell looked like he was heading towards a big new contract, performing among the five best quarterbacks in the NFL. In the second half, he was among the bottom half of the league."
The NFL figured out that JC was no threat and focused on the run and shut down the skins offense.
"No position is as deeply affected by the shortcomings elsewhere on the roster as quarterback -- especially when the problems are primarily at wide receiver and along the offensive line."
A good QB makes both the o line and the receivers better.
"But here's what I like about Campbell: He wants badly to succeed and works harder than anyone on the team. He is liked and respected by his teammates. "
Maybe so, but that doesn't make up for his lack of QB skills.
"He doesn't make excuses and accepts blame."
He blames everyone except himself. Just listen to his interviews.

Posted by: mfamrf | January 15, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"He has size and talent. "
He has size, no talent to be an NFL QB.
"He is unfazed by the chaos around him."
He just doesn't fully understand what is going on.
"He made great strides in his accuracy, decision-making, ball protection and footwork. "
He is not accurate and never will be. He doesn't make his downfield reads and throws quickly enough. He may make the right decision, but by the time he has made it, it is usually too late. Ball protection is because he lacks the accuracy to throw to anyone except a wide open reciever. Zorn said his footwork was terrible, so he had to improve here.

"And he was able to assume much more responsibility at the line of scrimmage, reading defenses, making checks and adjustments and audibles. "
He doesn't make the downfield reads quickly enough. By the time he does throw, the defenders are already adjusting.
"His ability to escape the rush and make plays with his feet is an element not often seen around this decade."
Most good QBs have this abillity. Colt Brennan is not only a good scrambler, he throws well on the run.
"Now, of course there is work to be done. Campbell needs to continue to improve his footwork and delivery. He can't lock onto certain routes at times. He needs to continue to speed up his delivery and get rid of the ball more quickly. He needs to continue to immerse himself in this system - he'll have the luxury of having the same coaches and playbook two years in a row! - and work on his deep-ball accuracy."
His delivery will always be slow. He just takes too long to wind up and throw. His long windup is a perfect setup for defensive ends and linebackers coming around the backside.
He has been a QB for years, including 4 in the NFL. If he is not accurate by now, he never will be. He is not accurate to run the WCO. The QB needs to hit the receiver in stride to obtain the YAC. JC throws behind the receiver, throws low, forces the receiver to stop, or forces a dive for the ball, hence little or no YAC.
The excuse of having different systems is just that, an excuse. Flacco and Ryan are rookies who have led their teams to the playoffs.

Posted by: mfamrf | January 15, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

"Can anyone proclaim him as a perennial Pro Bowler? No, not at this point. But does he have enough of everything you look for to continue building around him? The coaches don't doubt that and I don't think there's any question. You don't discard him, and you keep the process going."
No one can proclaim him as anything other than inept. Improvement from inept does not lead to anywhere near the Pro Bowl. He needs to be traded or released immediately.
"After another offseason working with Jim Zorn, he should make a bigger leap in the fall. Now, if no young pass catchers step forward and no one can protect him in the pocket and five- and seven-step drops become impossible to execute, well, then no quarterback is going to succeed. That's out of Campbell's hands."
I see you've already started making excuses for JC for next season.
"But just look at the QBs in the playoffs. Every week - and twice on many Sundays - passers are derailing entire seasons with four-to-six turnovers, poor decisions, imprudent gambles with the football. Campbell never did that. He didn't win enough games for his team, but he certainly wasn't losing them. Even at his worst, he kept his team in games."
These QBs got their teams into the playoffs. JC did not. JC and his no risk offense will not make the playoffs.
"For all the instability at this position with this franchise for what, nearly 20 years, this kid should remain a big part of the future."
So an obviously inept QB should be kept around to maintain stability?
"While I can understand the organization's decision not to rush to sign him to a long-term deal following his second-half slide, I also don't think it's smart to let an asset this valuable dangle and face losing his unrestricted free agency following next season. Why not do what Chicago has done for Kyle Orton and Rex Grossman in recent years, only with a nice little signing bonus in the $5 million-to-$10 million range? After all, they gave Todd Collins $3 million a year ago based on four games."
Jason, you are just making yourself sound ridiculous here. If JC was so valuable, the skins should trade him for a draft pick now.
"That would give Campbell a little boost of confidence and make him feel wanted (after all, this ownership/management team traded up to get the kid). It would be a minimal investment that would keep him at a low number while also making him feel as if he doesn't have to play for a contract."
Great, an inept QB who would feel wanted.

Posted by: mfamrf | January 15, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

"And if the Redskins make no effort to try to address his contract situation and if Campbell performs well next fall, how much love would you expect him to show back to the organization, especially with the need for good young passers so high in this league? If the Skins are content to let him dangle all offseason, I think the relationship could become contentious. That's often how it goes around here and the team may be taking Campbell for granted. It's still early in the offseason; we'll see how all this plays out."
Again a ridiculous discussion. Trying putting out some feelers and see how much interest there is in JC around the league. The defensive coordinators obviously have no respect for his abilities so they ignore him and focus on the run.
"As for backups, Collins is a nice insurance policy. He never had to do a thing in the regular season, with Campbell taking all the snaps. Collins's adjustment to the Zorn system - and life post-Al Saunders - clearly was rough in training camp and preseason, but he's as bright as they come and a full year in the system should be more than enough for him to be up to speed. Where he is physically remains to be seen. At 37, he's a guy to get you through a few games while your starter is hurt. Trying to squeeze 16 games out of him would be perilous."
Based on their relative performances in 2007, Collins should have been the starter. Based on his 2007 performance and preseason performance JC should have been traded or cut. Now that the league has found out he is no threat at QB, there is probably no market for JC, and he will end up going to Canada or Arena ball after being cut.
"And then there's the Cult of Colt. Third quarterback Colt Brennan remains one of the most popular dudes in town, it seems. Some fans called for the extremely raw youngster to play, starting about, oh, July 21. Should that wish be granted in 2009, then close up shop, because I don't think it would be pretty."
What is your basis for this? He was one of the preseason QB ratings leaders, greatly outplaying not only Collins and JC, but both Flacco and Ryan. He may be raw, but he has the basic skills to be successful in the WCO, i.e. accuracy, quick release, downfield reads both before and after the snap, and leadership. JC lacks all of these.
"A realistic goal is that by 2010 Brennan is ready to be a back-up. He did essentially nothing besides take some snaps with the scout team, and it's unlikely he will get much work once training camp is over. He'll get more playing time in preseason and, if he throws a few TDs against some CFL and UPS guys, well, I'm sure my inbox will be slammed again with emails."
Based on JC's lack of performance, the QB competition should be between Collins and Brennan.

Posted by: mfamrf | January 15, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Sure, Campbell's made strides. But the bottom line is: you can't fix goofy. And that's exactly what JC is.

After another mediocre season for him next year, we can draft Sam Bradford and get a real franchise QB to Washington.

Posted by: zloss126 | January 16, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

JLC's plan makes no sense. If you think Jason Campbell is the answer, you extend him now. And he won't take $5-10M. He's a starter, he wants starter's money.

If you let him play out his contract, you're competing in the open market. That's how the Skins lost Dockery -- the only young offensive lineman they had. If they'd extended Dockery the year before, they'd still have him. And unlike Dockery, franchising Campbell would be incredibly expensive. This franchise doesn't manage the cap well enough to have room to do that.

But unlike Dockery, Campbell shows no signs of development. If you want average QB play, you play an average QB. That's what Campbell is.

All in all, JLC's plan is moronic. You have to man up and make a decision: extend Campbell for real money, or be preparedto move on without him. But moronic plans should fit in well with Vinny, so they're likely to follow it.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 16, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

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