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Redskins by Position: Running Backs

If you were able to caucus, privately, the offensive coaching staff, you'd hear time and again that this is a position of need, despite Clinton Portis's stature, big salary, and all that. These coaches are longing for a home-run hitter at tailback, someone capable of stretching the field and getting into the secondary, and they don't have it.

Portis gets paid like the best in the game, but lacks the long runs and touchdowns runs put up by most elite backs and has worn down in the latter stages of seasons since injuries began to become commonplace in 2006. Statistically, over the past five years he is virtually identical to Thomas Jones, only nearly twice as rich, and Portis's antics have alienated many teammates. But he remains a favorite of owner Daniel Snyder and the guy's contract is guaranteed essentially through 2010 anyway, so he's not going anywhere.

Now, Portis had a fine season, finishing in the top five in rushing. But he averaged 5 yards per carry in the first half of the season, and around 3.6 in the second half. He had two TDs in the second half, while the team was tumbling out of playoff position and Portis was throwing his rookie head coach under the bus. A weak offensive line certainly was a big part of the problem, but when Portis hits a hole, he no longer does so with the ability to get 40 or 50 yards downfield. He doesn't make safeties miss. And in Coach Jim Zorn's masterplan, that's a fundamental part of the offense.

He didn't have a run over 31 yards all season. He didn't have a run over 22 yards in the final half of the season. He didn't have a run over 14 yards in the last five games, when everything was on the line, the Skins were desperate for yards and scores and the playoffs were spiraling away. Of the top 39 rushers in the NFL, plodding Jamal Lewis was the only one besides Portis who did not have at least one carry longer than 31 yards, and that's with Portis finishing third in the NFL in carries (with 63 more attempts than Lewis).

For someone who spoke of making no mistakes - and who made some critical fumbles down the stretch - that's not exactly backing up the rhetoric.

Portis has clashed with coaches repeatedly throughout his Redskins tenure and enjoyed privileges most teammates wouldn't think of requesting, but, given his relationship with the owner and the fact that he's only 10 months removed from his latest contract, he's the feature back for the foreseeable future.

Zorn did strip Portis of third-down duty late in the season - catching balls and running precise routes have never been his forte - and got reserve Ladell Betts more involved late in the season. The plan was for Betts to carry a heavier load all along - given Portis's smaller physical stature and all the wear on Portis the past few years - but Betts got hurt in October and missed a month. At a time wnen the Redskins were riding the running game to victories, he needed a few more weeks to get back, and by the time he was feeling better, the season was slipping away.

I'd expect more catches and carries for Betts next season.

Third running back Rock Cartwright probably won't ever carry the ball - though I'm an admitted fan of Cartwright's game and approach and would love to see him catching screens on the perimeter at least 5-10 times a season. Cartwright is a stud on special teams and I believe he could contribute a bit more in the offense in a limited role, but, again, it's unlikely to happen.

It's doubtful we see much movement at this position. With the team having other needs and only four draft picks (and given that Betts is pretty well compensated to be the primary back-up), I doubt that Vinny Cerrato and Snyder draft or acquire anyone else to really push Portis or add that explosive element to this mix, as much as many of the coaches would love to see it.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 9, 2009; 9:15 AM ET
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Portis has lost a step, but he's still one of the top ten running back's in the league. Betts is a former thousand yard rusher, and Cartwright had a 100yd rushing game against the Rams in 2005. I think they're solid at the position for the next 2 yrs.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 9, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Big runs come from blocking. The man is as fast as anyone on the field this idea of being "explosive" is imaginary. Teams that make big runs have wideouts that block and a line that clears out the front 7. P.S I know you are in love with Thomas Jones but you have to be kidding me.

Posted by: Pleepleus | January 9, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Rock Cartwright = Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 9, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

What step has he lost? He is one of the fastest backs int he NFL. I watch McClain of Baltimore Rip off big runs, you are going to tell me hes not better than that dude? Baltimores lines understand who and how to block all the man does is run in open space. Portis is one of the few running backs in the NFL that needs no help to finish 4th int he NFL in rushing yards. Its amazing he makes a posative gain with these losers in front of him. P.S anyone ever watch Betts run the ball? Yeah, really makes you miss Portis being the game.

Posted by: Pleepleus | January 9, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Run forest run

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Cue the "Oh, like we're supposed to believe that some of the coaches actually talk to you........." rhetoric.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 9, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Agreed on Loadholt I would move him to RT and put Robinson at RG.

Percy Harvin who is no doubt a great player will be gone way before we even think about picking.

If Orapko drops he should be considered the guy is a pure beast.

If you stay at 13 it limits your ability to get more picks, but if the right player is there it m ay be worth it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

The team has around 5 good players on it and all anyone does is rag on them.

Posted by: Pleepleus | January 9, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

We were also treated to such gems as "If you spend just 15 minutes with Tim Tebow, your life will be better because of it." Jeeze, gimme a break. Falling in love with some 21 year old kid, what a joke.

Posted by: TheTruth11 +++

Perhaps a bit of hyperbole, but maybe they are just so happy to have the polar opposite of athletes like "Pacman" to talk about.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 9, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

That McCoy guy looked good as well and I think he is projected as a late round guy could be worth a late pick.

He's 6-4 305 plenty of body there to bulk up even more.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The O line gets little to no push on 1/2 our run plays every game. Those are the plays where we see portis just dive as soon as he gets to the line of scrimmage and pick up 2-3 yards have 1000 pounds fall on top of him and get back up. Get him some blocking and he will be a stronger back. I would like to see us pick up a new no 2 guy next year.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

can anyone spell "C-A-N-C-E-R"

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 9, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Man he dislikes Portis.

Posted by: Gweez | January 9, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Need a RB that is going to be a team player, which includes practicing and playing in pre-season and not crying about it in public. Everyone is hurting during the season but he consistantly whines every year to miss practice.

Posted by: hbu_dog | January 9, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Pleepus -

Portis is one of, if not THE best in the NFL at seeing, hitting, and squeezing through holes. His performance this season behind this offensive line, coupled with the lack of ANY sort of long runs verifies that. Consistent, tough, smart running behind a suspect line has allowed him to end the season #3 in yards. Nobody comes close to matching him in that regard.

However, he is not a home-run threat. Leron Mcclain is not a home-run threat either. Yes Mcclain gets some long runs due to blocking, but that doesn't make him a big play back. If you watch Westbrook, Peterson, Sproles, Leon Washington, Jerious Norwood, Tomlinson in his prime, these guys all made defensive backs miss in the open field. Consistently. Either that, or they straight outrun a DB to the endzone. Portis does not do that anymore. That is my only criticism of Portis. I think he's one of the top 5 RBs in the league, but that he cannot do anymore.

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I can describe cancer: a horrible and sometimes deadly disease that touches millions of families....

Portis is just a high paid athlete with a loud yapper. Also he can back it up better than most who can be described as such..

Find a different word...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

pleepleus-
"He is one of the fastest backs int he NFL"

Put that crack pipe down and get your head out of Portis' a$$ while you're at it. Portis is a cancer to this team- he's a chemistry killer - and not too mention he's a little fruity as well.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 9, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Kancer.

Damn!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 9, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Pleepleus | January 9, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

There have been several games this year where I've watched Portis run with my own eyes and thought to myself, "Whoa, he's lost some speed. He isn't as explosive and doesn't make people miss like he did in Denver. That's the reality. But of course having a better Oline will give him the opportunity to get into the secondary more, but he's not as fast as he used to be.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 9, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Canser?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 9, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

CP needs his carries dropped by at LEAST 100 next year, otherwise, 2009 will be lather, rinse, repeat of 2008.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"Portis is a cancer to this team- he's a chemistry killer

Posted by: richard_cranium"

Yes, because in our losses to Pitt, Dallas, the Giants, and Baltimore this team had such great chemistry going for it. If only Portis hadn't opened his mouth, this team would have continued with the way they were playing in those games and carried it over to the rest of the season.

Wait a minute....

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Portis was the engine room of this offense for 3/4 of the season. If he sucked down the stretch it's because he ran so much in the beginning.

I suppose have no pass attack of any kind didn't hurt the run?

I suppose having WR's that are 5'8 didn't hurt at all.

Is Portis perfect? Not by a long shot. Is in the top 10 problems this team has? Not by a long shot.

Posted by: Gweez | January 9, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

pleepleus-
"He is one of the fastest backs int he NFL"

Put that crack pipe down and get your head out of Portis' a$$ while you're at it. Portis is a cancer to this team- he's a chemistry killer - and not too mention he's a little fruity as well.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 9, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch the footage of Portis and Landry race in trainging camp?

Posted by: Pleepleus | January 9, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Has Landry lost a step as well?

Posted by: Pleepleus | January 9, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

From the previous thread..

alex35332, I don't think the cap analyst the Skins released (Halsell) was the main "cap guru" (the one who has been doing a fabulous job). Halsell (who was released is just one of the cap guys.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 9, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong i like CP but that diva attitude is killing team chemistry yes he plays hard and is one of the best if not the best blocking back in the league that being said when you circumvent the H/C with the owner backing you its hard for Zorn or anyone for that matter to be taken seriously by the team and that tit for tat situation during the season before the Cincy game killed their playoff chances.

Posted by: dargregmag | January 9, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

CHRISLARRY,
Give me an effing break with your B.S.

Have you ever heard of a metaphor? In this case, the metaphor CANCER is the perfect term to describe a player who takes a negative, egocentric, blame-others and lazy approach to his job, which has a debilitating and divisive effect on the entire team. That player is a metaphorical CANCER in the same way T.O. has been a CANCER on every team he's played. Sorry if the term offends your gentile sensibilities.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 9, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch the footage of Portis and Landry race in trainging camp?

Posted by: Pleepleus

There's a big difference between running with the sole purpose of getting to top speed, and running at top speed with a ball in your hands, attempting to protect it, and having your vision up to see where defenders are coming from. Some backs are better at the first, others are MUCH better at the second.

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,
Thanks for the correction. as long as we did not lose the no 1 cap guy.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

cl, agreed, I cringe when I hear someone use that term when describing something related to sports.

IIRC Landry ran a 4.3 at the combine. Portis raced Landry during pre-season, and it was a virtual tie, so he's still pretty fast.

Flound, I was mostly focusing on the LG/LT of OK, who is this McCoy?? Also who was #71 on the Sooners line, RT, he looked enormous.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch the footage of Portis and Landry race in trainging camp?

Posted by: Pleepleus | January 9, 2009 9:48 AM |

I'm not arguing one way or the other but there is a huge difference between running in Shorts with no one chasing you, then running in full pads with dudes just as fast as you coming to hit you.

Landry plays very fast on the field.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch the footage of Portis and Landry race in trainging camp?

Posted by: Pleepleus

There's a big difference between running with the sole purpose of getting to top speed, and running at top speed with a ball in your hands, attempting to protect it, and having your vision up to see where defenders are coming from. Some backs are better at the first, others are MUCH better at the second.

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Portis has better field vision than almost any other back in the NFL. Does anyone else realize that our Wideouts can't block?

Posted by: Pleepleus | January 9, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

pleepleus-
I'm not sure what "trainging" camp is- but if your talking about training camp I doubt you saw any video of Portis running. You might of saw him with a wig on acting like captain hanky spanky or something like that.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 9, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the correction. as long as we did not lose the no 1 cap guy.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 9:53 AM

Think of it this way: We lost the Sorcerers Apprentice, not the Sorcerer.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 9, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/01/2008_positional_review_-_runni.html

From Bizjournal.com

U.S. loses another 524,000 jobs, Skins fans blame all but 4 on dan snyder.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

pleepleus-
I'm not sure what "trainging" camp is- but if your talking about training camp I doubt you saw any video of Portis running. You might of saw him with a wig on acting like captain hanky spanky or something like that.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 9, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

This was a really great post. Keep up the top notch work.

Posted by: Pleepleus | January 9, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Flound, I was mostly focusing on the LG/LT of OK, who is this McCoy?? Also who was #71 on the Sooners line, RT, he looked enormous.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 9:55 AM |

McCoy was the DT who blew up that outside run, and then dropped off the line in a zone blitz and intercepted Tebow.

He got doubled all night and was still able to collapse the pocket on several occasions.

Name: Trent Williams
College: Oklahoma Number: 71
Height: 6-5 Weight: 309
Position: OT Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Jr/2010
40 Time: 5.34 40 Low: 5.16 40 High: 5.48

He is a JR so not sure if he will come out this year, he is projected as the 2nd best T in the draft next year

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Portis has better field vision than almost any other back in the NFL. Does anyone else realize that our Wideouts can't block?

Posted by: Pleepleus

Portis has better first-level field vision than any other back in the NFL. What he doesn't have is the second-level game-breaking field vision. He does not make defensive backs miss. And he doesn't have the speed to turn the corner on a defender that has the angle on him. Some backs have that, others don't.

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Pleepleus = Portis

Posted by: DaleHunter | January 9, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Portis will soon be the franchise leader in rushing yards and will retire with numbers similar to eric dickerson, but he has never ben embraced in DC b.c of the bailey trade. Idiots like Jasno just contribute to the lack of love for the man who is probably the greatest running back in team history. It's unbelievable to me.

Posted by: WrongDog | January 9, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

There is difference in running a race like LL30 and CP did in TC, but you cant deny the dude has at least 4.3/4.4 speed. So the potential is there. If the GD coaches would have used Betts more, CP would have been fresher down the stretch, and would have had more explosive speed (however much he has left...). I cant believe they didnt split carries more w/Betts. Betts must have been not 100%

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

psp,

Are you a lawyer, because you are very good at arguing and you never quit until the other person gives up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Intro to English with Tard fan....I had always wondered what this strange fan "metaphor" meant.....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Flound, thanks, I didn't notice McCoy....

I'm curious if the Labor Agreement issues are causing any kids to declare their JR year instead of their senior year??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

CP would have been fresher down the stretch, and would have had more explosive speed (however much he has left...). I cant believe they didnt split carries more w/Betts. Betts must have been not 100%

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:04 AM |

He was fresh at the beginning of the season and the line was blocking great still no long TD run.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Thomas "Golden Boy" Jones would never throw a coach or player under the bus. Just ask Brett Favre.

Posted by: Pleepleus | January 9, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I feel for those who are now job free. But the names of who was let go are disconcerting. We supposedly had the best cap man in the league (how else did we manage to get out of "cap hell" every year? What did the guy say that we had a bad plan or something? Did Vinny go around pink slipping any guy who they could find that had a opinion?

I don't know and will wait to find out. Also I do wonder what these 20 peeps were making. I am sure some were under 100k guys and low level types. But I bet we also had some big salaries let go.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

The guy that was let go worked with the cap, but I don't think he was our main cap guy.

As for the 20+ people released, you have to remember that this organization is a business. It was at the end of its operating year, and apparently did an evaluation of who was performing and who was expendable. This is just part of doing business. We see the players' salaries, but we do not see the rest of the financial situation. We see the gross ticket sales, but not what travel costs are, and what salaries are for anyone other than the team. We don't see how much is spent on insurance and other overhead.

All I'm saying is that we should focus on the team, and let the operation managers make their decisions. The country is in a recession, and they have to manage the long-term financial health of the organization. Part of that is managing the staff.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 9, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | January 9, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious if the Labor Agreement issues are causing any kids to declare their JR year instead of their senior year??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Im pretty sure it has a big effect on college players wanting to come out early. I believe once the CBA expires, the teams have most of the control. Of course bidding wars for FA could reach astronomical proportions, especially with morons like D Snyder who love to spend to get what they want.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

you can always tell when JLC doesnt like someone. I do agree that we need a homerun hitter but not at the expense of portis. I think we need to get rid of betts and draft a speed guy, after portis wears them down.
JLC is always giving half info, we shall see how many homeruns these other RB's have after they have been in the league as long as portis and as many carries. EVen by JLC's own admission LT is not a homerun back right now after all of his carries.

and that is why JLC is not a GM or football guy because he will have you believe that a speedy homerun guy is a better starter than portis and Eddie Royal is 6'7"

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 9, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

especially with morons like D Snyder who love to spend to get what they want.
='s people willing to spend money to try to make a better team. Just like Jeff Lurie

Posted by: Pleepleus | January 9, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

psp,

Are you a lawyer, because you are very good at arguing and you never quit until the other person gives up.

Posted by: Flounder21

-------

Nope, not a lawyer. Appreciate the compliments though. I've found arguing to be a nice little hobby of mine.

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

psp,

Are you a lawyer, because you are very good at arguing and you never quit until the other person gives up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

LOL!

Posted by: ga8085 | January 9, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

CP would have been fresher down the stretch, and would have had more explosive speed (however much he has left...). I cant believe they didnt split carries more w/Betts. Betts must have been not 100%

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:04 AM |

He was fresh at the beginning of the season and the line was blocking great still no long TD run.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Good point Flouder. Its still a myth to me why Betts didnt get more carries overall. I hope it wasnt coaches not trusting him. I recall Gibbs didnt do much w/Betts the first year. Then the next year he said something to the effect, "wow, i didnt know what we had in Betts". That was probably the 06 season when he had like 1200 yards starting 9 games.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Idiots like Jasno just contribute to the lack of love for the man who is probably the greatest running back in team history. It's unbelievable to me.

Posted by: WrongDog +++

I still have fond memeories of Larry Brown running all over the field, and Riggins too. Larry Brown was my favorite Redskins RB.
Imagine too what Charley Taylor, Art Monk, Gary Clark, Ricky Sanders etc,, could do in todays NFL, where the DB's can't breathe on them without penalty!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 9, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

i think portis is a fantastic player but i'd rather see him work hard in the off season and keep his thoughts about the coaching staff and play calling to himself. if he wants to consider himself a leader he would better be served to keep within the locker room.

Posted by: MondoTE11 | January 9, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

especially with morons like D Snyder who love to spend to get what they want.
='s people willing to spend money to try to make a better team. Just like Jeff Lurie

Posted by: Pleepleus | January 9, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Not really sure what you mean here pleepus. Would you deny that D snyder spending freely in an NFL w/out a salary cap a good thing? Seriously? After all the free spending he's done under the cap, thats worked out great? Need I reference the Bruce SMith, Dieon Sanders, Mark Carrier, Jeff George year (i believe after the team won the NFC East and went 1-1 in the playoffs)? Or how about the 2006 season, ARE, Archu-gona-pay-me-so-I-can-c-u-letta, BLloyd?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

correction:

*are you saying that D Snyder spending freely.... *

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

He was fresh at the beginning of the season and the line was blocking great still no long TD run.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Good point Flounder but the opponents were playing the run with two deep safeties to make sure Moss didn't beat them.

Portis got 145 against Philly in week 5 with a long run of only 27. Samuels sprains his knee in week 6 against the Rams and offense is never the same.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"Its still a myth to me why Betts didnt get more carries overall.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz"

He was hurt for a while, and even in the first couple games he came back he was still hobbled. Betts got a pretty fair share of carries/catches for the amount of games he was truly healthy. Before he got hurt he had 38 carries in 6 games. Extrapolate that to the whole season, and he would have had over 100 carries for the year. Not bad for a backup.

And I think that's about where we should expect them next year. Portis around 250+, Betts around 100+. Then maybe a youngster brought in for 20-30 carries.

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Good point Flounder but the opponents were playing the run with two deep safeties to make sure Moss didn't beat them.

Portis got 145 against Philly in week 5 with a long run of only 27. Samuels sprains his knee in week 6 against the Rams and offense is never the same.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:21 AM |

Yes but my point was that with the blocking and the way the defense was playing, he should have been able to take one to the house if he still had breakaway speed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

And I think that's about where we should expect them next year. Portis around 250+, Betts around 100+. Then maybe a youngster brought in for 20-30 carries.

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, psps, your projections make me feel better. I just really hated seeing CP obviously worn down w/out any help there. I would like to see a youngster in there next year, but I don't see them carrying another RB with CP, LB and Rock supplanted in the roster. This reminds me of my gripe with the 53 man roster. Why the f#$% does the NFL limit this? I wonder if the expiration of the CBA will change this limit.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

bang, I think you nailed it, once samuels got hurt, everything went downhill. Portis isn't bright enough to realize that they couldn't run the second half of the year. He got the ball 29 times against SF, and couldn't do anything with it, so he should let that go.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I think JLC is on the money about portis/betts..... we need someone who can make a play and neither of these guys can...Portis because of his contract stays (which i'm fine with) but betts isn't a change of pace (what we really need) betts is really 1B to portis's 1A he does everything (except block) almost, but not quite as well as clinton.... i have never been a big fan nor a big hater of CP ...i just see him for what he is and has been as a redskin a plowhorse which again is fine...provided off the bench we have a player who can be a change of pace.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | January 9, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

*are you saying that D Snyder spending freely.... *

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:20 AM

I'm saying that I'd rather have an owner like Snyder who is willing to spend to the limit than someone like that scum Lerner who owns the Washington Nationals and refuses to spend a dime on free agents. From today's Post:

'Washington will enter 2009 with a roster largely unchanged from that which lost 102 games last year. To date, the Nationals this offseason have added one everyday player (outfielder Josh Willingham) and two starting pitchers (Scott Olsen and Daniel Cabrera). Willingham and Olsen arrived in a package trade with Florida. Cabrera, cut loose by Baltimore, was signed to a one-year, $2.6 million deal.'

Now, if Snyder would not only spend freely, but also spend wisely, we'd stop spinning our wheels and get out of this rut.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 9, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Yes but my point was that with the blocking and the way the defense was playing, he should have been able to take one to the house if he still had breakaway speed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:26 AM

Not if the safeties are playing deep. He has to make them miss then go to the house. Get a massive power back or a Darren Sproles guy to spell him. Betts is a poor man's Portis. The #2 has to be a change of pace back.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Think of it this way: We lost the Sorcerers Apprentice, not the Sorcerer.

T_E

They fired JReid???

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

My goodness. Why is Portis even on an NFL roster? According to J La, he is a waste of space who is stealing carries from stars in waiting like Betts and Cartright.

Give me a break. Portis is a flat-out warrior and, if we had 53 guys who played with his intensity and heart, we would've been significantly better than 8-8. The guy lays it on the line every week - running, blocking, etc. - and deserves more respect than you are giving him, Jason.

I understand that J La doesn't like the owner and therefore doesn't like Portis, whom the owner loves. But be fair and be accurate - Portis is probably the brightest light this franchise has and I'd take him over Riggins, Stephen Davis and any other back who has ever work the Burgundy & Gold because he is a complete football player.

A buddy of mine - huge Eagles fan who really knows his football - was telling me the other night that he is terrified of Portis every time the Skins play the Birds, because he thinks Portis always does those little things - like blocking - that translate to wins for the Skins. CP will be missed when he is gone.

One last rant: Jason, stop complaining about Rock not getting the ball on offense. He is a terrific kick returner but has rarely shown any skill as a runner on offense, save the Rams game on the last day of the season a couple of years back.

Posted by: SkinsFanNYC | January 9, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Not if the safeties are playing deep. He has to make them miss then go to the house. Get a massive power back or a Darren Sproles guy to spell him. Betts is a poor man's Portis. The #2 has to be a change of pace back.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:31 AM |

Exactly he is not fast enough to make them miss, in the open field a RB should be able to make a S miss.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Wow! Portis lost a step but was the third leading rusher. Portis is not an elite back but was the third leading rusher. Just wow man! Please come and say you don't like Portis that would be a better statement than this foolishness.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | January 9, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Think of it this way: We lost the Sorcerers Apprentice, not the Sorcerer.

T_E

They fired JReid???

Posted by: alex35332

Now that's funny :)

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 9, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I understand that J La doesn't like the owner and therefore doesn't like Portis, whom the owner loves. But be fair and be accurate

Posted by: SkinsFanNYC | January 9, 2009 10:33 AM |

Skins,

Funniest post of the day great job, this line had me rolling in my cube "But be fair and be accurate".

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I am no Portis fan -- I think he is a cancer in the mold of TO (only to a lesser extreme).

But I will give him some credit for his toughness and especially his blocking. I think the Skins can win with Portis and i think JLC is being overly critical in some areas. Portis not getting TDs late has as much to do with play calling (I remember at least one instance where Sellers got 2 attempts in a row inside the one 1 instead of Portis--and fuimbled the 2nd. I think I remember another where Zorn called a Roll out pass to a Tackle Eligible too that failed (but this might have been a 2 pt conversion attempt).

Bottom line is that Portis put up top tier numbers despite playing banged up, with no legitimate backup to spell him, and with a makeshift O-line for the last part of the season.

I think the Skins ought to look to get rid of Betts and give a young FA/undrafted kid a look. Backup RB's can be found all over the place--they just can't alway pass block (Portis can). Use Portis on 3rd downs and spell him on 1st or 2nd when he needs it.

Posted by: HokiePaul | January 9, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Exactly he is not fast enough to make them miss, in the open field a RB should be able to make a S miss.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:33 AM
See the nfl link:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29596&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2008&week=REG5

Watch video 1:33. Tell me if that isn't a lucky tackle.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Exactly he is not fast enough to make them miss, in the open field a RB should be able to make a S miss.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Being fast and making a safety miss are not necessarily the same thing. Agility and cutting ability are key in that regard. Speed just kills defenders angles for the most part after they get into the secondary.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Betts needs to go. He is solid, but we need exactly what's stated in the first paragraph - some UMPH! And Betts doesn't have it. Portis is really good, and Cartwright gets us to at least the 30 on every kickoff and can carry if needed.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | January 9, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I would not put CP in the TO mold of Diva. CP has a little bit of a concept of team loyalty, at least he does not go around saying that there is a conspiracy against him. And though things between him and Zorn seem off they both have the maturity to work something out. Unlike TO and Wade.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Watch video 1:33. Tell me if that isn't a lucky tackle.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:38 AM |

Did'nt look lucky to me, looked like he hit him high and yanked him to the ground.

I think Portis is a great back but like psp said he does not have the same speed he once did.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Watch video 1:33. Tell me if that isn't a lucky tackle.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Looked like a good tackle to me. Dawkins got him to the ground. And if you look up top, there is another DB ahead of CP. So even if he breaks that tackle, he's gona have to break another one to keep going to the endzone.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The safety is 20 yards of the line of scimmage. Portis has to be Ussain Bolt to pass him. Don't forget the contact in the hole.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I think the salient point in all this is that we have much higher needs than replacing Portis, Betts and Cartwright. We need to spend another pick on a running back like we need to another tight end.

Portis is in his declining year(s). If the Skins are to be a very good team in two or three years there will be a different running back starting who is not currently on the roster. Portis' attitude turned me against him this year but I can live with him for another season, because we have no choice.

Posted by: driley | January 9, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Can we just continue our own positional analysis w/out JLC? Since everyone just adds way more insight to these than the creator of said posts?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

PORTIS is the best player on the team, bottom line-- he is the reason we won 6 of the first 8 games of the season-- the problem is the o-line!! Portis has to earn every yard he gets, when we get a solid o-line then we will see the long breakout runs.. portis=cancer-- wtf are u talking about

Posted by: generalsfinest03 | January 9, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Watch this video of the first touch as a Skin for Portis he can't do this anymore.

Watch how the Saftey has and angle on him and he still out runs him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S81PJfMJ5Y8

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if CP's attitude has to do with all the changes that happened to him in the past year? RPIST, Gibbegone, BabyPortisBorn. Lots of new stuff.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

To me, RB is a position of strength on this team, a situation where the team needed to "dance with who they brung", but unfortunately they didn't utilize the assets they had.

I think that very early next season we'll know whether or not Zorn has the 'stuff' to make it as coach of this team, or as a coach in general. If 2009 is a carbon copy of 2008, then I'm not certain he has what it takes to be successful.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

My point is that if the safeties are deep you're not going to get blockers on them and you have to make him miss. Portis didn't do it this past year but I've seen him do it. I don't think at 27 you've lost a step but more of a matter of game circumstances.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

The safety is 20 yards of the line of scimmage. Portis has to be Ussain Bolt to pass him. Don't forget the contact in the hole.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:47 AM

Ben,

How do all the other running backs, not named Usain Bolt, manage to get past the safety? Bribery?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 9, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

can anyone spell "C-A-N-C-E-R"

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | January 9, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Yes, ZardsFan1, I can spell cancer: Gilbert Arenas.

Posted by: AquaBoogie | January 9, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Ussain Bolt"

Lets bring him into camp! Maybe he can catch.

In the old days when you could just bring dudes in (andre the giant got a workout once)to camp regardless of roster rules and cap crap, you know he would be getting looks. I still wouldn't be socked if someone straps on pads to him and sees if he is a project.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Ok, VaBeachBlitz, go

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Portis' attitude turned me against him this year but I can live with him for another season, because we have no choice.

Posted by: driley | January 9, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Apparently you will have to "live w/CP" more than just next year due to his contract status. The dudes only like 26/27. I would bet he has at least 3 more good years in him, especially if he has a healthy Betts behind him to should the load. I do think they draft a RB in 2010 or 2011.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

general,

Agree on fixing the O-Line disagree we will see long breakout runs.

I don't know if he is a cancer but he needs to keep his mouth shut about the coach, even if he is right you never put your coach down in public makes you look like an a$$ and makes the TEAM look bad.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Watch this video of the first touch as a Skin for Portis he can't do this anymore.

Watch how the Saftey has and angle on him and he still out runs him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S81PJfMJ5Y8

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

It's the first play of the year. He's fresh.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of B.S. about Portis. He's one of the top running backs in league -- a complete back who can run, block, and catch -- who was forth best in the NFL with 1487 yds behind Peterson (1760), Turner (1699), and Williams (1515); Thomas was fifth best with 1312 yds.

JLC is always very negative regarding Portis -- instead of praising how well he did running behind a battered offensive line (500 tough yds). He stated the lack of performance was due Portis breaking down and he could not break long runs, but failed to point out that the wide receivers -- other than Moss -- couldn't block down field very well.

I agree that both Betts and Cartwright should be utilized more effectively and more often. Cartwright was originally a FB in college and I've always wondered if he would be an effective backup at that position.

I don't see them replacing any RBs this off-season, however several free agents will probably be brought in for camp to compete for a position on the practice squad. They still could use a big back who can punch the ball in from the one, but he would make the team only at the expense of either Betts or Cartwright.

Oh and for the record -- I like Clinton's antics: He speaks his mind, adds spice to life, and seems real -- although he could use a media relations course....

Posted by: siris | January 9, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

It's the first play of the year. He's fresh.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:53 AM |

He was fresh the first play of this year and the first 6 weeks, he also had great blocking over those weeks. I did'nt see any runs like that one.

Lets agree to disagree because unlike psp I don't like arguing all day.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Ben,

How do all the other running backs, not named Usain Bolt, manage to get past the safety? Bribery?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

See John Riggins against the 'killer bee's' in the super bowl. It was 4th and 1 so the safeties are up in the box.

Now teams are playing a lot of two deep to protect against the big play - both run and pass.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

***save the Rams game on the last day of the season a couple of years back.

Posted by: SkinsFanNYC | January 9, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse***

Agreed...If I am not mistaken, that magical, mystical, Willis Reed-type performance came in garbage time with a 70-ish yard run. I am POSITIVE that this staff and the previous one would have given Rock the ball more if he had any game on offense.

Posted by: cej75024 | January 9, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Watch video 1:33. Tell me if that isn't a lucky tackle.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Looked like a good tackle to me. Dawkins got him to the ground. And if you look up top, there is another DB ahead of CP. So even if he breaks that tackle, he's gona have to break another one to keep going to the endzone.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz

---

I think the telling run in that video is at 2:43. Brilliant vision at the first level, bursts through the hole, but once he hits the second level -- no moves to make the defender miss, no change in the angle of his run (in order to affect the defender's angle on him), and he is caught by the defender when he attempts to outrun him. A true home-run hitter gets that play in the endzone. One DB to beat in open space, and Portis didn't do it. And that's just about his only weakness.

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Watch this video of the first touch as a Skin for Portis he can't do this anymore.

Watch how the Saftey has and angle on him and he still out runs him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S81PJfMJ5Y8

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I think that safety got caught flat footed more than CP decayed his angle. If you watch CP's move/cut, it is very obtuse, not acute. And the speed hes running at doesnt seem noticeably faster than the currenty CP. I think the difference is he's only got 1 guy to beat once he makes the cut back. The last few years, seems like once he gets to the secondary, hes surrounded by 2 or 3 defenders. Its hard to decay angles when more than 1 defender is closing.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Iss, Larry Brown is before my time, but of course Riggo was awesome. And he'll always be the most beloved RB b.c of 4th and 1 and what it meant to the franchise. It's just funny to me that Riggo was such a flamboyant, independent player, much like portis, but gets the love that portis doesn't. Maybe if portis can help win us a SB....though Jla would still be saying it was DESPITE portis. Does portis really have anything on riggo when it comes to diva-ness?

Posted by: WrongDog | January 9, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"I think that very early next season we'll know whether or not Zorn has the 'stuff' to make it as coach of this team, or as a coach in general. If 2009 is a carbon copy of 2008, then I'm not certain he has what it takes to be successful"

I agree here, and think Zorn deserves year 2, but I have a sinking feeling i already know the answer....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

psp,

I also noticed he does not change ball hands when a defender is coming from that side, if he did this he would be able to use a stiff arm.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I agree here, and think Zorn deserves year 2, but I have a sinking feeling i already know the answer....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2009 10:59 AM |

I agree he gets this year, but if the offense sucks again he will not get year 3, and he better be careful because he might not get all of year 2 depending on how bad the team is.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

To sum up all the arguing
1. Portis is not a classic speed back anymore, agree or disagree.
2. We need a change up guy either a big man or speed guy, agree or disagree.
3. You hate JLC, agree or disagree
4. F Vinny and Larry *not Larry, Chris* agree or agree.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

He doesn't make safeties miss. And in Coach Jim Zorn's masterplan, that's a fundamental part of the offense.

Its hard to believe that Zorn's offensive philosophy revolves around the back making a safety miss.

Would it be nice to bust a long TD run once in awhile? Absolutely! However, yards/carry are well yds/carry. As noted 5 yds per carry in the first half of the season finishing with 4.35. Long runs are great, but its not like other backs are doing it consistently.

Posted by: WVskinzfan | January 9, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

POSITIONAL ANALYSIS: OFFENSIVE TACKLES, GUARDS/CENTER WILL BE SEPARATE.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Ben,

I think that you keep ignoring the fundamental fact that Jasno laid out above:

"Of the top 39 rushers in the NFL, plodding Jamal Lewis was the only one besides Portis who did not have at least one carry longer than 31 yards, and that's with Portis finishing third in the NFL in carries (with 63 more attempts than Lewis)."

But, whateves (to quote CL). Agree to disagee (to quote flounder). No one ever convinced anyone of anything by discussing it on Redskins Insider (to quote myself).

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 9, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"Its hard to believe that Zorn's offensive philosophy revolves around the back making a safety miss.

Posted by: WVskinzfan"

I think he meant it more in overall team philosophy, not just for the running backs. Hence all the short throws with intention of the WRs getting yards after the catch.

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Does portis really have anything on riggo when it comes to diva-ness?

Posted by: WrongDog ++++

Maybe not. Though I don't remember Riggo calling out his O-line during the season, or his coach during the season. (He may have during the off season on his tractor)
I think CP is still a good back, but d agree that Betts needs to go in favor of a more scat back type, like sproles of today, or Joe Washington of years ago.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 9, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Take me back baby a little Shannon Let the music play on the radio, boy does remind me of some fun nights in G-Town.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

How much does CP not practicing during the season effect his later season performance- conditioning and holding on to the ball and running routes.

Posted by: Tappahannock | January 9, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

And how about completely abandoning the run during our losing streak. That affects numbers and potential gains. Portis gave everyone euphoria during the first 8 games and then we had no one to spell him because Ladell got hurt. He is worth every penny.

Posted by: BurgwithaU | January 9, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I agree he gets this year, but if the offense sucks again he will not get year 3, and he better be careful because he might not get all of year 2 depending on how bad the team is.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 11:02 AM

Yeah, they brought him in to fix the offense and he hasnt done the job. But I think he gets all of next year, regardless. You only change horses in mid-stream when youve got another horse to change to. I dont think the Skins have anyone else that theyd like to try out as head coach -- not like San Francisco, St. Louis where they wanted to give someone an audition.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 9, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Oh my f'n gawd!!!!!!!

Why is anyone paying attention to this 'Skins by position nonsense from the most inept analyzer, Jason La Canfora? He's a decent reporter, but a NFL analyzer he is not.

I see there are a few turd bags out there who still hate on Portis and call him a f'n "cancer". I mean you mofos really are grand - dude is the third or fourth leading rusher IN THE LEAGUE. Yeah he faded down the stretch but the WHOLE damn team faded down the stretch. Also, a "cancer" in sports terms is someone who divides a locker room and is a detriment to the team's success. How is Portis in any shape, form, or fashion any of those things.

Some of you amaze me like no other, you're supposed to be so-called "fans", but like one dude said at the top of this thread, this team has about 5 good players, and all people want to do is blame THEM for the team's failures. Portis, Moss, and Cooley are the "fall guys" this year, I see - what the F_@K!!!!

Cooley talks too, you know. Maybe not on the level of Clinton Portis, but from his comments and body language you can tell that he has concerns or issues with the offense as well.

Maybe some of you would be happy with Adam "Pacamn" Jones, he's available.

motherf'n WOW!!!!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 9, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

my constant reminder to all is don't fall in love with any of these players... virtually all are and will be replaced at some point... I think we do a very poor job of talent evaluation on our own roster, and therefore keep older or underperforming players far to long...not saying portis is underperforming he has compiled a very impressive resume...but the portis/betts combo is not what we need... the skins are very messed up if they think that after 5 years together this combination is somehow magically going to produce the big plays this team desperately needs from someone on this roster not named moss...RB is the most replaceable (salary cap considerations aside)in the nfl especially your 2nd and third RB's.....root for the uniforms not the players....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | January 9, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

POSITIONAL ANALYSIS: OFFENSIVE TACKLES, GUARDS/CENTER WILL BE SEPARATE.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Is it more fun to beat a dead pachydyrm? Or should we move on to a position that really needs help this offseason. Not that OL isnt a horse w/out severe bruising from other posts... But I digress. OT!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely no argument that Portis is overpaid, and had some key mistakes down the stretch. But I still can count on one hand the backs I'd want over him (AP, Turner, Forte) so talk of his demise is pretty poor journalism. Our line never gets to the second level and rarely allows CP to get going before he has contact or has to make a move. CP essentially got the yards he got this year thanks to Sellers, and everybody knows it hence Sellers in the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 9, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

1. Portis is not a classic speed back anymore, agree or disagree - agree, but does it really matter? I mean he was leading the league in rushing until the line fell apart.
2. We need a change up guy either a big man or speed guy, agree or disagree - Disagree, drop CP's carries by 100, and see how fresh he is in November/December
3. You hate JLC, agree or disagree - Disagree.
4. F Vinny and Larry *not Larry, Chris* agree or agree - Not really shure what this means...

My .02

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Hey, maybe SD doesn't re-sign sproles...

Posted by: WrongDog | January 9, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Or how about the fact we had a damn tough schedule and played most of the best teams in the NFL (Our division, steelers, Ravens) thats six teams with top 10 defenses. anyone would struggle against that. michael turner ran against lousier teams and now he is out of the playoffs. GO TEAM!!!

Posted by: BurgwithaU | January 9, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

t-e,

I'm not missing it or disputing it. I just agree with Portis that if he were behind Minnesota's line it wouldn't be an issue.

How many times has CP made it to the secondary? The fact remains that he did not make the huge run.

But if the home run hitter only has 10 at bats and doesn't hit a home run does that mean he's not a home run threat or did he simply not get enough at bats? I say he hasn't had enough at bats but that's just me.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

While I wouldn't mind seeing the Skins add another back say in the midrounds (assuming they add some picks through trading back) I don't think they need a homerun hitter, or at least I don't see one that makes sense for them. I would go instead for a more power back to help in the short yardage situations that plagued this team all year. Rashard Jennings from Liberty would be the ideal (also b/c he has speed for a big man) but he could go late second or early third and don't think RB will be a priority at that point. Other mid round guys would be Arian Foster or Herb Donaldson who will likely be taken in the 4-5 round. A late round guy I like is PJ Hill from Wisconsin, he would fill the need of a power back though doesn't really have the speed to take it to the next level.

Posted by: Steveo11 | January 9, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

What doesn't make sense is that at once JLa condemns the aged O-line that lacks push and at the same time condemns the running back behind that same aged line. Being the ultimate team sport that it is, I would imagine that a new, younger line would enable quite a few more home runs both on the ground and through the air.

Posted by: mtobin2 | January 9, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I agree here, and think Zorn deserves year 2, but I have a sinking feeling i already know the answer....

Posted by: chrislarry

I think we are going to see the same thing from Zorn in year 2. Hell everyone on the blog knew that Zorn need to change up his play calling the last part of the season and he didn't. Blame the player and I believe we will see the same thing next year.

Posted by: icetotalpackage | January 9, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Since when do you have to be a "home run hitter" to be considered a good RB in the NFL.

Portis just needs another RB to compliment his running style, that was converted by Y'ALLS boy s(AIN)t. Joe Jackson Gibbs.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 9, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm all for using Betts more heavily in the 1st half of a game so as to soften up the D and turn Portis loose on em in the 2nd half.

If there are 30 or so carries a game to spread set it up like this

1st Half:
Portis - 6 carries
L.Betts - 8 carries

2nd Half:
Portis - 14 carries
L.Betts - 2 carries (spell Portis or specific trick plays)

Posted by: slipperyrichard | January 9, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

PORTIS: “WE’VE GOT TO STICK WITH WHAT’S WORKING”
Posted by Josh Alper on January 8, 2009, 11:38 p.m.

Clinton Portis made his last visit to John Thompson’s radio show in D.C. on Wednesday and he didn’t sound like a man enamored of his role on the Washington Redskins. He started by complaining about his seating assignment on the team plane and moved onto the way coaching choices kept him from making statistical gains.

“I mean, bro, to be in Week Nine of a season and five yards away from a thousand yards at the end of the third quarter, and all of the sudden you can’t get five yards in the game because y’all trying to win the game?” Portis said. “And you’re finished, and can’t even get to 1,500 yards? You know, I mean, you want to have hope, but is it really hope? You’re telling me in seven games I couldn’t get 500 yards after I was 300 yards above all competition in Week Nine? So who knows, man?”

His major issue was the shift in philosophy that the team made after starting the year 6-2. As Dan Steinberg of the D.C. Sports Bog points out, they went from running the ball 33.4 times per game in the first eight games to 26.4 times in the second half. Passing attempts went from 29 to 34.8 over the same span.

“I think we was healthy in the 6-2 span and playing smashmouth football. And through that span of whatever we went, 2-6, I think we just lost the identity of what we were trying to do. I think when the running game was our focal point, I think Jason [Campbell] was playing great, I think Santana [Moss] was playing great and [Chris] Cooley as well and everybody else was getting involved. And once we got away from that and just started slinging the ball, nobody did anything. Jason’s play fell off, my play fell off, ‘Tana’s play fell off, Cooley’s play fell off. So I think we’ve just got to stick with what’s working . . . You know, I mean, that’s on them. That’s on the front office, you know, that’s on them to decide if our offensive line was good enough, if I was good enough, if anybody else was good enough.”

Given the 2-6 close to the season, Portis may have a point. He touched on his problems with Jim Zorn as well, saying that he couldn’t “rule with an iron fist,” and intimated that running backs coach Stump Mitchell had less control than other position coaches. Not all appears to be lost, however. Portis did make a magnanimous gesture when it came to his willingness to help the team next season.

“I can’t do nothing but go ahead and just do what they ask me to do. If they ask me to come in and start punting, I’m gonna get my leg ready and learn how to be a punter.”


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Posted by: zjfr2 | January 9, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2

AP sure id take him. As for turner and forte not so sure. Forte was under 4.0 yds/carry. My jury is still out on turner.

Posted by: WVskinzfan | January 9, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

4. F Vinny and Larry *not Larry, Chris* agree or agree - Not really shure what this means...

My .02

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I think he means Larry Michaels. His real name is Larry Michael (no "s"). But he gets mad when you call him Michaels. So I call him Michaels. An angry Michaels is better than a propoganda spewing Michael. The guy seriously takes the term "homer" and takes it to outer space.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Our line never gets to the second level and rarely allows CP to get going before he has contact or has to make a move. CP essentially got the yards he got this year thanks to Sellers, and everybody knows it hence Sellers in the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 9, 2009 11:13 AM

I want to repeat this again: "Our line never gets to the second level and rarely allows CP to get going before he has contact or has to make a move. CP essentially got the yards he got this year thanks to Sellers, and everybody knows it hence Sellers in the Pro Bowl."

Too bad people can't or DON'T want to see this. I bet these are the same ones who had sad faces when the 'skins traded Bailey and draft picks to Denver. It's clear if you hate on the dude you've always had your agenda against the guy. I think of two of the top...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 9, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I am not saying I would "take" these guys over Portis but to say the "jury" is still out on M. Turner is hysterical and Matt Forte is the bomb......

Anyone have an issue with Forte's rookie stat line:

2008 rushes 316 yards 1238 avg 3.9 long 50 TDs 8 receptions 63 reception yards 477 avg 7.6 long 19 reception TDs 4 fumbles 1 1

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

What portis fails to understand is that it WASN'T WORKING, which is why they had to pass more often. Opposing defense's shut the run OFF, not just down. It got 'debacled', I'm surprised PFT didn't point this out.

Again, cp needs to shut his mouth, and go to Miami....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"I think we are going to see the same thing from Zorn in year 2. Hell everyone on the blog knew that Zorn need to change up his play calling the last part of the season and he didn't. Blame the player and I believe we will see the same thing next year.

Posted by: icetotalpackage"

Only 2 ways I can see it going differently:

(1) If Zorn only unleashed a portion of his playbook this season. If that's the case, then it would explain why his playcalling was "so basic" (using Terrell Suggs' words) this season. Another offseason to implement more of the playbook could change that.

(2) If there is marked improvement from everyone on the roster (and maybe some that aren't currently on the roster). If this is the case, it must take significant improvement from EVERYONE, because the way this offense performed, a slight improvement will only make this offense average (at best). This especially includes all the rooks.

I still have hope that those two things above come to fruition.

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Lets keep in mind that if the skins were in one of the lesser divisions or conferences they would probably have been in the playoffs. Probably. I mean we went 8-8 so we could have been champs the AFC West right?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2

AP sure id take him. As for turner and forte not so sure. Forte was under 4.0 yds/carry. My jury is still out on turner.

Posted by: WVskinzfan | January 9, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Then your jury is crazy, Turner is a stud. I said Forte because in an offense where he was the only weapon he had a heck of a season, and he was the team's leading receiver too! I'd take him in a second.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 9, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

REDdmv-
"I bet these are the same ones who had sad faces when the 'skins traded Bailey and draft picks to Denver."

YES- that was a mistake. You need to take a step back and get off Clinton's nutz for a second.

Portis is a Cancer. Cancer = a player who crys when he doesn't get what he wants despite what's best for the team.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 9, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

(1) If Zorn only unleashed a portion of his playbook this season. If that's the case, then it would explain why his playcalling was "so basic" (using Terrell Suggs' words) this season. Another offseason to implement more of the playbook could change that.

(2) If there is marked improvement from everyone on the roster (and maybe some that aren't currently on the roster). If this is the case, it must take significant improvement from EVERYONE, because the way this offense performed, a slight improvement will only make this offense average (at best). This especially includes all the rooks.

I still have hope that those two things above come to fruition.

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

(3) Zorn learns that he has to adapt his offensive system to his players. The early offensive success made him over confident that if he kept play calling with what he said "is proven to work in this league" and this turned into forcing a ball into a square peg. Adapt or die in this league. Especially for a rookie/unproven HC.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

1. Portis is not a classic speed back anymore, agree or disagree. (it's clear that he's not a classic speed back anymore. The pounding he endured from Gibbs' scheme - ONE workhorse RB, and an offense that relies heavily on the RB is the reason for this, agree)

2. We need a change up guy either a big man or speed guy, agree or disagree. (For sure they need a change up guy. Portis is a between the tackles RB now. They need a guy who can turn the corner, Portis isn't that guy anymore. I hate to see him cutting off Samules now. The whole league knows now that the 'skins only run left when they run outside, agree)

3. You hate JLC, agree or disagree (I don't hate any man. But I STRONGLY dislike and loathe La Canfora. What's sad is that I didn't once a upon a time, but his constant 'skins bashing and wannabe analyzing posts have ran their course and are now annoying as f___, agree)


4. F Vinny and Larry *not Larry, Chris* agree or agree. (Yes sir, F 'em both, and for good measure throw in the f bomb artist cL as well, agree - then some)

Posted by: RedDMV | January 9, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

chrislarry

I dont have a problem with either one forte or turner. I said i wouldn't take them for portis. The reason i said that about turner, well he led the league in carries at almost 400 the first yr as the feature back. Will his production diminish with this consistent workload?

Posted by: WVskinzfan | January 9, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: WVskinzfan | January 9, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

The key part of that is Turner's first year of a workhorse back, CP has 5 years of workhorse back under his belt. CP is still a great back, but I guarauntee you Turner outperforms him for the rest of their careers.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 9, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2

i guess that was my point CP has been pounded and in my mind has still produced consistently.

Posted by: WVskinzfan | January 9, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Again, cp needs to shut his mouth, and go to Miami....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 11:24 AM |

He was on Vacation when he said this stuff.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Someone should show CP these stats, both his and betts carries combined

NYG - 12 rushes 25 yards - 0 td
Ravens - 17 rushes 35 yards - 1 fumble returned for a TD
Bengals - 27 rushes 84 yards - 0 td
Eagles - 29 rushes 93 yards - 1 td
SF - 30 rushes 86 yards - 1 td

Thats working?? He thinks the running game was working during this 1-4 stretch?? Apparently math not his strong point......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

(3) Zorn learns that he has to adapt his offensive system to his players. The early offensive success made him over confident that if he kept play calling with what he said "is proven to work in this league" and this turned into forcing a ball into a square peg. Adapt or die in this league. Especially for a rookie/unproven HC.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz

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Oh, I agree that would help. Unfortunately I don't actually see that happening. That's why I didn't put it up there. Zorn will live and die by his "system".

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

As usual, JLa is the king of 20/20 hindsight. He's so smart when it comes to looking back at decisions and criticizing them after-the-fact, instead of considering the decision made at the time it was made (case in point - his recent takes on JT55 versus his take on JT55 at the time he was acquired).

JLa thinks he's such a genius for digging up this Thomas Jones comparison. CP gets paid twice as much b/c WHEN CP WAS SIGNED, he was a 22 year old coming off of back to back 1500 yard seasons averaging over 5 yards a carry. Thomas Jones (on the other hand) was an underacheiving back shuttling around teams who didn't break 1000 yards in a season until 2005. Now in RECENT years, TJ has picked up his play, and maybe the issue is that TJ is now worth more than his contract.

CP, however, is a diva with the potential to be like a TO. The guy is a gamer, but in between Sundays, you hope he's not gonna have a tantrum, complain about practice, throw his O-line under the bus and mock the head coach. I can't imagine that he's a very powerful force for unity and chemistry on the team, and that is always a problem with someone who is a highly paid centerpiece of the team's plan.

In his defense, he's done an admirable job changing his running style to suit the team. It's no secret that Gibbs made him bulk up and become a "between the tackles" kind of runner. He's got a nose for the endzone around the 10, and if he continues to have seasons like this past one (same production, less attitude-drama), I say he is worth the extension.

Posted by: p1funk | January 9, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

boss is out of town so you get alot of me today haven't been a regular in awhile ....riggo has earned the right to say and do what he wishes, he is rightfully in the hall as he carried this franchise on his back through the playoff run and then on the biggest stage in the biggest game on the biggest play not only got a first down but broke the tackle and took the ball to the house.... my guess in the same situation portis gets us the first down and is tackeled by the saftey...we have all seen this from clinton many many times in meaningless or near meaningless regular season games that we play... that my friends is the difference when the voters sit that room and decide is he or isn't an HOF'er......

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | January 9, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2

i guess that was my point CP has been pounded and in my mind has still produced consistently.

Posted by: WVskinzfan | January 9, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

No argument, and there is still a very short list of backs I'd rather have, IMHO Turner is one of that handful.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 9, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

After they show him that, show him how over those 5 games he and betts averaged 2.8 ypc, and then ask him again, if that is what is called, "WORKING".......

I like CP, think he's a great player, but shut up for %*&#'s sake. The running game was CLEARLY NOT WORKING.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Oldschool!!!!!!!IS BACK
Woooo now we are all in trouble.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

After they show him that, show him how over those 5 games he and betts averaged 2.8 ypc, and then ask him again, if that is what is called, "WORKING".......

I like CP, think he's a great player, but shut up for %*&#'s sake. The running game was CLEARLY NOT WORKING.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

They'd show him that stat and he'd blame the O-line.

Posted by: p1funk | January 9, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

YES- that was a mistake. You need to take a step back and get off Clinton's nutz for a second.

Portis is a Cancer. Cancer = a player who crys when he doesn't get what he wants despite what's best for the team.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 9, 2009 11:31 AM

There you go, you prove my point. You've never liked the guy to begin with. You probably pissed your pants when he took that carry to house THE FIRST TIME HE TOUCHED THE BALL AS A REDSKIN.

And for the record, dude, I'm not on his nutz, (Only nutz I'm on is mine) yeah I'm a Portis fan (If any of you didn't know by now) but he is the least of the problems.

I think you want him to be a cancer, you're a damn drama QUEEN. And let me school you for a second, boy:

cancer = any malignant growth or tumor caused by abnormal and uncontrolled cell division; it may spread to other parts of the body through the lymphatic system or the blood stream... that is why in a sports sense TO, Chad Johnson, and others are considered as "cancers", their attiude and views SPREAD among the locker room and GROWS and FESTERS eventually divinding the locker room and destorying team chemistry.

hey dick, is the locker room divided? Is the team chemistry compromised by Clinton Portis. If anything, I think most of the locker room feels the SAME way.


So YOU ARE WRONG when you pull sh*t like this out your ass: "Portis is a Cancer. Cancer = a player who crys when he doesn't get what he wants despite what's best for the team."

Just say I never liked the guy and it was mistake bringing him here, at least you don't sound like a total jackass when you express your disdain for the man.

People will always hate on the man that says the things YOU'RE AFRAID to say...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 9, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2

No arguement here. I think we agree the skins are fine at RB.

Posted by: WVskinzfan | January 9, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I like CP, think he's a great player, but shut up for %*&#'s sake. The running game was CLEARLY NOT WORKING.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

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Neither was the passing game.

I think his biggest issue was during the 4-game critical stretch vs Pitt, Dallas, NYG, and Baltimore, Portis ended up with 13, 15, 11, and 11 carries. Those also ended up being 4 of the 6 lowest scoring outputs of the season for the skins (other 2 were @ NYG in week 1, and vs. PHI in week 16). He may not have been productive against San Fran and Cinci, but at least we put up 37 combined points in those games (which still isn't good, but was pretty significant considering what had been happening the rest of the 2nd half of the season).

Posted by: psps23 | January 9, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Red,

You're on fire today keep it up, it makes work more fun.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Who the F said Clinton Portis is a HOF'er?

Why do all you OLD f'n guys start to wax your dude John Riggins when Portis is brought up? Everyone know as far as 'skins back goes he's One, Brown is two, and Portis is three.

But some of you treat, carry, and diss Portis like he can't carry Trung's jock strap.

Unbelievable.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 9, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

This is a conversation that was recorded at the Washingto Post between Cindy Boren and Jason LaCanfora.

Cindy - Nice glasses JLC, Did you get those for Christmas

JLC- Yeah I did

Cindy- Hey JLC I have always wanted to ask you this, are you near sighted or far sighted.

JLC- Neither Im Hindsighted

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 9, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Adding to the talk yesterday of old TV shows:

How about Charles in Charge, the girl he was dating was hot as sh!t.

And nobody anwsered my question was Higgins also Robin masters?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

FTR, no disrespect to the "old F'n guys" - its nothing wrong with being more "experienced" than others.

Sorry if that offended anyone, for real.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 9, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

REDdmv-
hey dick- thanks for googling the definition on cancer - congrats on learning how to use a search engine.

"is the locker room divided? Is the team chemistry compromised by Clinton Portis. If anything, I think most of the locker room feels the SAME way."

As much press as Portis's early season comments on his "O-Line" and his later comments on "Genius Zorn" received- how could the locker room not be affected in some form?

Don't you have some mail to deliver to the 3rd floor?

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 9, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else watch the game last night and was completely amazed at how bad the announcers were? On one of the Florida goal line stands they were a play ahead, they were like and they're gonna go for it on 4th and goal!!!!!! big play here, and their stuffed!!!! oh wait, now they'll go for it on 4th and goal.....

it was comical...

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 9, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Have to agree with most folks saying that fixing the o-line will help any "problems" there are with the run game. And while I agree that a Sproles-type change of pace back might help the 3rd and longs, we should NOT get rid of Betts. Betts could start for many other teams and provides quality depth....look at what happened when Betts got hurt this year; they had to bring in Tiki and Ronde's separated at birth triplet who couldn't carry for more than 2 yards per clip. If they do bring an a speedy scat-back, it will probably be at the expense of Rock Cartwright, unless they want to keep 4 "tailbacks" on the roster.

And for this:
And nobody anwsered my question was Higgins also Robin masters?
Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 11:58 AM
I don't think that will ever be answered. It could possibly be TV's biigest mystery. Aside from whatever the heck Lost is actually about. But supposedly we will learn that this year......

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 9, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Portis supporter - I do carry the 2-6 flag. It may cloud my visions of the man at times - but there is one thing that I can agree with.

He talks too much. It doesn't make him a "cancer" though, Dick and others. But he may act as the mouthpiece for the locker room, only other person I can see voicing any concerns or issues is wait for it... Santana Moss, AND GUESS THE F WHAT? Next to Portis , he receives the second most hate and disses on here among 'skins fans.

I hate to take it here, but is it as long as "they" are entertaining you and keeping their mouths closed and show no emotion at all, "they" are okay. But as soon as they open "their" mouths, it's a problem. Sort of like "that" guy asking back in the day; "Hey want me to do a dance for you" and shows you all his pearly whites while dancing - usually tap dancing - I think you all know what I mean...

Or is it a Miami thing?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 9, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Hate to get off the subject, but has anyone seen "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button"? I was thinking about seeing it tomorrow. Any good?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

red chill man ....first i'm not old ( if i was throwing references to sammy f'n baugh) you'd have something....but i do know what i'm talking about..all i am saying overall is we need a play makers and clinton isn't and that does't make clinton bad or someone i would automatically want to get rid...it just means he isn't part of the solution or part of the problem either, he is a symptom of poor evaluation of the overall talent on the team... that and the fact he plays a position that is very replaceable and is subject to the biggest wear and tear/ shortest career in the league...with his carries I think he is already on borrowed time and don't think betts is the answer.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | January 9, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

On Portis' first run:
It looks like the play is designed for the RB to hit the hole on the left side. Portis uses his vision to see the daylight that opens up to the left and goes with it.

What I notice is that everybody is cleared out. The safety is the only one with a play and as someone said earlier he is caught flat footed, because the play appears to be developing in the other direction.

This didn't look like a designed trap, but Portis using his instincts and speed.

And he does look fresh.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 9, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

The performance of the running backs (and the entire offense) suffered late in the season, when the offensive line was injured and key players (i.e. Samuels, Thomas, Jansen) were either out or trying to play through painful injuries. Sellars was awesome at lead blocking, but the guards, tight ends, and wide receivers did not block down field well enough; particularly in the second half of the season.

I wonder how much of that was due to the 1st year in the offense, coaching, scheme, or player execution... In hindsight, the coaches really screwed up in the Ravens game when they left Fabini inactive and had to use Geisinger as a LT, but how could they have foreseen both OTs going down in the same game and Thomas aggravating the budging disk in his neck? The TEs often had to be kept close to the line of scrimmage to pass block. Plus the WRs (other than Moss) had trouble running routes and blocking down field.

Let's not forget, the Skins were rarely ahead in the second half of the season and did not have the opportunity to literally run the time off the clock...

Posted by: siris | January 9, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I agree we need to bring in another, younger RB.

The Manlove for Rock and Manhate for Portis is plain on this post. I've gotten use to it.

JLC seem lukewarm on Betts, what's up with that?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 9, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Cartwright is a "stud" on special teams. REALLY? The guy runs straight ahead for ten yards every time. Stud? What would you call Devin Hester then.

Posted by: Skins281 | January 9, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Red, seriously, you might need to take a few days off. Yesterday you were up here and actually went as far as challenging someone to meet you in a neutral location to "throw hands" or whatever. Now today you are bringing up stuff like it's 1962. I hate to go all "blog police", but seriously, RELAX. It's just people talking and tghere are ALWAYS going to be folks with differing views and opinion as yours. Sorry to seem like a lecturer, but take a few deep breaths and relax. It might make you feel better.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 9, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Don't you have some mail to deliver to the 3rd floor?

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 9, 2009 12:05 PM

Classic d-baggery, with nothing good to come back with besides bullsh*t, you come back with a shot of how I make a living.

I could go into this back and forth with you lame ass, but you aren't worth the time or the vagina you came out of.

And dummy, if you would listen to Zorn's comments on Portis earlier concerning his injuries he made some sly and slick comments about his injuries. If you read between the lines, and came off your high horse, you condescending prick bastard, maybe you'd know.

Now go away, boy.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 9, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

What would you call Devin Hester then.

Posted by: Skins281 | January 9, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"Leight Torrence's step child"

-JLC

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

alright, haze. Per DICK cranium, I have some mail to deliver to the thrid floor.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 9, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

A little comparison of CP against the rest of the division and Thomas Jones in Yards, avg, carries over 20 and carries over 40 yards (recent year and the last 4 combined):

Player yards avg +20 +40
Portis 1487 4.35 13 0
4788 4.19 25 2

T. Jones 1312 4.52 6 1
4976 4.11 24 2

Barber 885 3.72 4 0
3052 4.27 19 2

Westbrook 936 4.02 5 0
4103 4.51 29 1

Jacobs 1089 4.97 12 1
2620 4.72 17 2

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Or is it a Miami thing?

Posted by: RedDMV ++++

are you serious? asking if it's about race?
u are unreal man, really.
How about it's about class.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 9, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

All he needs is red hair Beach Blitz

Posted by: Skins281 | January 9, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

If you worked at the DMV delivering mail, you'd be angry too! Haha! Just kiddin' Red, dont hurt me dude.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 9, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"It looks like the play is designed for the RB to hit the hole on the left side. Portis uses his vision to see the daylight that opens up to the left and goes with it."

Correction:
"It looks like the play is designed for the RB to hit the hole on the left side. Portis uses his vision to see the daylight that opens up to the RIGHT and goes with it."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 9, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

REDdmv-
"if you would listen to Zorn's comments on Portis earlier concerning his injuries he made some sly and slick comments about his injuries."

You mean the comments the HEAD COACH made about his star player not practicing enough, not knowing his pass routes, not knowing the new blocking schemes, half-a$$ing in training camp? By the way, all of those are cancer attributes.

Hey bub- when you guys pick up the trash on Friday's- could you not throw my recycling bin into the yard.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 9, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Red.... you went THERE? You gotta be kidding. Portis is rapidly becoming a Brian Mitchell (btw, how does a guy get a nickname like B-Mitch AFTER he stops playing?). He's a player who absolutely BRINGS it on the field but doesn't know how to act OFF the field. We love to watch those guys play but we don't miss 'em when they're gone -- like, say, Darrell Green, Art Monk, Charley Taylor, Bobby Mitchell.... spare the the hints at racism. CP is great -- just doesn't have much between the ears. Stupidity is color-blind.

Posted by: outsider6 | January 9, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

beep beeo. all-pro voting.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | January 9, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Portis is the only Redskin who consistently gets into the end zone and scores touchdowns.

The Redskins should have kept Marcus Mason and put Malcom Kelly on IR for the season. Look what happened when Portis and Betts were both hurt -- they had to play hurt because Cartwright is the captain and leader of the special teams and they won't play him at running back.

So basically we have 2 running backs and no backup yet for Sellers. This is why we need a general manager who knows what he is doing.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | January 9, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Should we consider taking the "M" out of B-Mitch's nickname?

Posted by: cej75024 | January 9, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Rock Cartwright is a beast on special teams. His absence would be noticeable, unlike Torrence's.

Posted by: chirsch | January 9, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

We need to trade Betts for something like a 3rd round pick and then sign Sproles in free agency. He gives us that element we have been lacking. Id love to see us try to get Marcus Mason back too, the kid is a real football player.

Posted by: jeffco01 | January 9, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I realize that CP is an absolute favorite of the Daniel. But with Betts proven that he can hanlde the starting RB load, somehow(by some means) trade CP for a pick or two and sign Marcus Mason to be the backup back. I realize it was preseason but still, the guy produced in this system. We get a young back and a starter who does not have the milage that CP does.

Posted by: jimimac21 | January 9, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I thinking (but not sure) the head cap guy is, or recently was, a guy named Schaffer.

The issue of whether 2010 will be an uncapped year could very well be the biggest factor in the skins record for the next 5 to 10 years. If we see an inordinate number of contracts being rewritten this year coverting salaries to signing bonuses (which pushes cap obligations out to the future) we'll know what's up.

Posted by: sysadb420 | January 9, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Are yall serious.....Let's start with Portis.

If Mike S....was our coach next year how many yards would he get? Just think about it..... Of course he lost a step, But he is still one of the best back in the leauge. He's not 22 anymore.

We already know what Portis is. He's big goffy fun big kid who speaks his mind. Everyone including the owner loves him. But I guess yall want Betts...

So would yall get on LT too since he lost a step if he was a skin? Be honest.

Were over here talking about a RB who was 13 yards away from 1500 when theres more fuc..... problems on the team.

Let's talk about the QB, WR, No touchdowns....but we want to talk about traiding or cutting someone who isn't the way you want him to be. Hell with that...he produces. Since were talking about stats....

was he not top 5 RB this year in yards?

Oh yeah and he never broke more than 31 yards....excatly...

Just imagine if Portis would have broke more than 31 yards.....Yall know what he is capable of. We all saw him in Denver. So what happended?

Thanks for asking....the fuc.....line happended. He works for every yard he gets.

Who would you rather than portis? Please tell me.

Now Betts is one of my favorite players but damm....

So if Betts was our RB this year what would be our record. Would the RB game be better, worse or the same? Yeah just think about it. If portis struggled to get yards and was 13 yards away from 1500 what would Betts get. Betts is just a good change up, guy.

And Rock is ok but nothing great. We need to get better all across. Stop with this ....their good guys, good locker room guys... Skills and talent wins games. If we had Cribbs back there or Hester thats and upgrade and we would be better. I love Rock but we can do better. The whole team.

Just ask yourself those questions.

If Mike S was our coach how many yards would CP get?

Is CP really really really really really the problem?

If Betts was our starting RB this year would be be better or worse in the running game?

On Sunday who lays their body out the most?
i.e. got hurt one year running after an interception in PRE-SEASON....but yet he dosen't play hard.

If he didn't care would he do that?

Who is one of the best pass blocking RB in the leauge? (but he now comes out on 3rd downs)

Who would be a better RB for the Skins?

Just a couple of questions.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 9, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Portis is what he is: a guy who's been too much upfront too soon.

And now, he's the monster that consumes the entire offense-- if it's not centered around him, he pouts.

The people in Denver saw it coming way before the folks in DC got wind of what was coming from the guy.

Again: Zorn must confront the guy head on and remind him that practicing equals playing and sharing the load with whoever backs him up is not an indictment of his abilities.

A three-headed running by committee approach--given the battering a back takes on a team with a bad o-line-- would save Portis for December/January when a dominant running game wins playoff games.

Please tell Clinton that the act of being Clinton is as played as a James Brown record.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe

Yeah I agree Portis is what he is. I'm not saying its good. But you can't tell me he dosen't play hard on Sundays. Just because he doesn't practice sometimes.

Im not saying he should not practice....but when I see my star RB the only one run hard as hell in a PRE-SEASON game to tackle someone on an interception....that says a lot about him. Clinton is a fake actor. Just love to be in front of the cameras. He loves his guys.

His first year here he bought every lineman a Rolex watch. How many RB's do that. It's how the media put him out there.

I know its not right everything he does but...he really has a good heart. The kid wants to win. Thats it. Does he get mad or talk when were winning nope. one of his best friends on the team is Betts...But JLC won't tell yall that.

Woudn't you get mad if you felt you could do more in the game and was not given the opportunity. I don't aggree with everyting Portis does, but for people to say trade him...bla bla bla doesn't make any sence.

When it comes down to it its all about winning. Lets look in the playofs.

Panthers-Steve smith....Would yall want him? Great player right

Patriots- (no playofs but)..Randy Moss...Talks alot but because they fuc...g get him the ball he's happy.

and so on...

I'm extremly big on charater like Gibbs said, but Portis has no charather problems. On the Jhon tompson show he said if they need me to come and punt i'll learn and come and do it. Get to know the real portis and not the one JLC is saying.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 9, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

No way we should invest anything in upgrading this position. Both lines, LB and WR are so much more important right now.

Like it or not, Jason, running back is one of the strengths of this team.

(And for the record, Portis is the second best RB in the NFC East. #2 would be Brandon Jacobs, but he can't stay healthy and he's in a 3 man rotation. Thus Portis gets the nod for his durability. #1 is Brian Westbrook, who also gets injured, but is such an incredible playmaker that every other factor gets thrown out the window.)

Posted by: drischord | January 9, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Very good analysis, Jason. I used to get a kick out of Clinton, but I've reached the point where I have concluded that neither his behavior nor his performance warrant keeping him. But for salary cap issues, they would be better off getting rid of him. He plays hard, is a great blocker (which should not be forgotten), but doesn't have the quickness to take it to the house and he is exorbitantly overpaid. I have no trouble believing that many in the locker room have had their fill of the owner's pet.

Posted by: nrjlh | January 9, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Given how the season unfolded, don't you have to pretty much conclude JLaC has been right all along? I'm not saying he's can't rub you the wrong way at times, but he's right about this team at this time. Portis is a d***. Zorn is kind of a jerk, too (esp. when he implied he bore none of the responsibility for team's failures until a week or so before season's end), but then he's been a successful player and knows the kind of locker room he wants to build. Portis is a cancer, and he's not as good or as durable as Riggins was and shouldn't be coddled. And Snyder and Ceratto needed to come out and support Zorn explicitly. Riggins is an exception to the rule for NFL success. Most players have to practice and practice hard for their teammates to get used to them.

And did anyone else catch the comment from the tv commentator during the San Fran game where Portis basically admitted that his health issues were not as severe as he had led others to believe? That there were "other issues" affecting whether he would practice or not? I haven't seen anyone follow up on that.

Posted by: DCUnited2 | January 9, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

WrongDog,

I agree with you wholeheartedly man. CP will down as one of the greatest Redskins running backs ever and he is not being embraced the way he should be. The only difference is that CP is black and doesn't have a SB ring. (They were both divas; in fact Riggo left the team because of money for a whole year) People will say that it is only because of the latter that he is not special or beloved but I think that even if he does win a SB, JLC and others will still say they dislike CP.

Posted by: onnie007 | January 9, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Cue the "Oh, like we're supposed to believe that some of the coaches actually talk to you........." rhetoric.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 9, 2009 9:33 AM

Fans like this need to be barred from this board. They're too busy trying to discredit anything and everything instead of actually wanting to read and contribute. Begone!

Good job on the eval Jason. You're a good writer, don't listen to these sourpuss haters

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 9, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Portis gets a lot out of runs that he shouldn't. he sacrifices himself for a few extra yards, diving ahead of hits and piles quite often.

the problem with Portis is Joe Gibbs wanted him to be a running back he is not. I will never forget his first carry with the Skins against Tampa where he took it to the house. Gibbs played the guy like he was a 205lbs. Riggo. Just this past season Portis had an absolute TD on a break away run. He basically sat down versus challenging and juking the safety.

The skins do need to upgrade the position because the team lacks overall speed and they need to add it at this position. the 3 guys are fine, but where our Felix Jones or quick fast RB. We don't have it. Portis was that back in Denver, but not here.

Posted by: oknow1 | January 9, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

nrjlh

who should we get then?

Should we get LT....or did he lose some too. (Hall of fame back right)

Every one lose a little bit.

Should we draft a RB every year?

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 9, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

1skinfan:

If I knew the answer to your question then I would be one of the many things that the Redskins need, but do not have--i.e.,a knowledgeable GM with an actual plan. Certainly other teams find running backs with breakaway speed, and often in the later rounds of the draft. For instance, where was Sproles drafted by San Diego? I suspect that if one were to analyze last year's draft, such a player would have been available in lieu of one of our second round draft busts, as well as in subsequent rounds. The point is that for years now the Redskins have not had a runner who was a threat to break a long run, and that just makes it much easier for defensive coordinators to take away any big play.

Posted by: nrjlh | January 9, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Nobody doubts Portis' heart and committment. That ain't the issue. It's his maturity and ablility to be a team leader. No player who is respected in the locker room as a team leader would be mouthing off on the radio over the season the way Portis has with very flippant and sarcastic comments. That's a maturity/character issue not about his football skills on the field.

For all you guys who think JLaC is a CP hater as far as I'm concerned don't get it. The Skins finished 8-8 and out the playoffs. Dallas has only one more win and also out the playoffs but Owens did'nt come close to mouthing about his team and the coaching to the degree that Portis did. Sure TO said somestuff but not near as sarcastic and smart-A###s as Portis.

I believe had TO been mouthin' like Portis did thru the season, the same "CP can't do no wrong because he has such heart and you don't really know him" crew that's posting here would be calling for TO's head claiming what a "cancer he is to the locker room".

Posted by: chris_r | January 9, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

1skinfan:I'm extremly big on charater like Gibbs said, but Portis has no charather problems. On the Jhon tompson show he said if they need me to come and punt i'll learn and come and do it. Get to know the real portis and not the one JLC is saying.
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He was being facetious. CP needs to go. He's emblematic of much of what's wrong with this franchise. Too much cap space for him to not be THE back in the League. His relationship with Snyder hurts. He thinks he's immune from backlash for disrupting the team...and he is.

Goodness knows I don't agree with JLC on much, but he nailed this one.

Posted by: PS7900 | January 9, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

chris_r

I love TO...but are u seriouly saying that TO is not a cancer and Portis is....lol

OK....thats the joke of the day.

What I'm saying is when we traded for portis we knew what he could do. He comes here and is ask to do it differently. Add he gets older every year and so on.

About drafting....please raise your hand and tell me you would have drafted a RB with one of our picks last year? Knowing you can't really cut portis and our line is old, QB needs help, two small WR, should I go on. But some here think that RB was important. Can't get a pass rush if Synder gave them 500 billion. But don't forget Gibbs drated 2....yes 2 RB when he was here. Where are they now. Yall want Marcus Mason, and others but think about it.

If Marcus Mason was better would you not think the coaches would put him in...f that. Coach get fired. Its all about winning. If they really knew Marcus Mason or Betts was better why just why would they not play them. I know if I was a coah I would play the best players. I afraid of getting fired.

Think about it. Portis did not run more than 31 yards and finished top 5 in yards....lol think abou that damm......
Immagine if he did run more than 31 yards.

Plus are yall watching the same games I'm watching. You don't have to be a football genius to say that there were not much holes to run in. Portis still has great speed really. Not like in Denver but can still make people miss and has good speed.

Why are all the analyis projecting that we get a lineman or defensive end...hmmmmmmm I guess because thats what we need. Last year we needed WR and line.....hmmmm we only got WR who don't play....But I guess the problem is Portis. Would yall rather TO, Steve Smith, Randy Moss, ....guess what they all have in common they f-ing speak their mind and they produce....damm it would be nice if we had Randy Moss.....Jason to Randy Moss....the crowd goes crazy.....

Guess why Randy Moss is not talking because the are giving him the ball. We all know talent when we see it.

RB is not the issue here. Put it on Management, line, QB, DE, ......but lets just talk about this year. As far as I know Portis was top 5 in rushing.....

Why are we talking about that. Of course we could improve but is that what we should be talking about. Even if you hate him. Thats fine. Stats are stats.

Sorry he did not run for more than 31 yards. But finished top 5...

Sorry he finished top 5 in rushing

Sorry he's not 22 years old anymore.

But I guess next year lets go ahead and draft a RB....when DE, line,....is more of a problem. Since when is RB a problem when you get 1500 a year. Just say you hate him and don't like his attitude....and stuff but RB is not the problem......

Even if we get a younger back...let say Sprolls...then what happens when he's 27 28 29.....yall will give up and say he sucks, can't break anymore....he's done. Just like most are doing to LT....

Are yall really skin fans. Is the problem Portis or management??????????????????

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 9, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

is anyone here old enough to remember john riggins. He is the greatest running back in skinhistory

Posted by: mudman220 | January 9, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I wish Jason would just go ahead and apply for a position in Pkilly, Dallas, Or New York. I am so sick of reading his biased, personal agenda BS. Portis is the man, so he got frustrated, he's human. On sundays he's a beast and played all year balls out with injuries that would have a lot of player sitting but he was out there. Led the league in rushing for a good bit of the year. Be a man Jason stop trying to stir up crap.

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | January 9, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

It's about time someone called out Portis for being an overpaid, overrated diva. The "team leader" is at it again today, griping about personal statistics. RB's are a dime a dozen in this league and Danny Boy chained management for years with this loser. Skins won't win until he's gone.

Posted by: Dahlhouse | January 9, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

They need a speed back no doubt. Look at what SD had last season: LT, Sproles AND Michael Turner. The Giants have 3 good backs. Dallas got good production from other backs before injuries. Philly is HORRIBLE w/o Westbrook just like we are w/o Portis. But the Giants played decent w/o Jacobs because they had other backs that they had been rotating. The Ravens split Carries. The Steelers survived w/o Parker for a while. The Dolphins use 2 backs. Indy uses 2 backs and when they lost 1 guy (name escapes me but he's back now) after winning the Super Bowl they had Adai ready to step up. The Cards and Carolina both use 2 backs. See a pattern here?

You have to have guys in line at RB.

Posted by: vlad21311 | January 9, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Give Portis some holes like the Hogs used to open up for our RB's during Gibbs first tenure, then come talk to me about how much Portis has lost.

Posted by: kenboy1 | January 9, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

FLOUNDER21:

Amen to your post. ORAKPO's the man for us at #13. Failing in that, get JOHNSON from GA. TECH. SIGN EVANS. Use BOSCHETTI's, TAYLOR's CARTER's and WASHINGTON's money to bring HAYNESWORTH to the REDSKINS. Re-sign GRIFFIN for two more years. Use third and sixth picks for OLB's and #5 for an OG.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 9, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

FLOUNDER21:

FLOUNDER21:

Amen to your post. ORAKPO's the man for us at #13. Failing in that, get JOHNSON from GA. TECH. SIGN EVANS. Use BOSCHETTI's, TAYLOR's CARTER's and WASHINGTON's money to bring HAYNESWORTH to the REDSKINS. Re-sign GRIFFIN for two more years. Use third and sixth picks for OLB's and #5 for an OG.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 9, 2009 7:48 PM

I agree with cutting some of the high priced vets who wont hurt the cap, like Taylor and Washington, and signing some top notch DL FA's who are in their prime. But that first rounder needs to go to the OL, because our biggest weakness right now, hands down, is our inability to consistently protect JC and open holes for CP, even against mediocre defenses. A close second is a lack of a number 2 receiving threat, but we have to count on either Kelley or Thomas or hopefully both to fill that need next year.

Posted by: kenboy1 | January 9, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

portis is done..

let's hope he retires or requests a trade.. 2010 is too long

Posted by: jrak1 | January 9, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

JLC,where do you get your football IQ.The Redskins offensively have been a disaster since Gibbs came back.If you watch other teams in the division or conference with strong running games the have whats called an offensive line and they have receivers who are willing to block.
The Redskins should have traded Betts and kept Marcus Mason, they still could do something similar and get a change of pace back like a Mason or Sproles. The whole key to Portis is these highly paid coaches to get off of this personal vendetta my way or the highway and run the man to his strengths. He runs best using zone blocking schemes so maybe its about time to revamp the dam offensive line and adjust the scheme to his strengths.

You ripped the guy and maybe he talks to much but he has taken a beating with a poor offensive line and only two reliable offensive weapons in Cooley and Moss.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | January 10, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't think it's prudent to draft or trade for a RB in 09. Mybe '10, but not 09. It's time to get stud O linemen.

But I wonder why, from the onset of the season, they don't get Betts and Rock more involved. Both of those guys are capable, and using them rests Portis. I remember few years ago, Gibbs ran Rock and he broke long runs!

Rock is a good special teamer, yes. But how about using one of the youngins to run back kicks next year and increase Rocks role in the offense. I think given the opportunities, he can be a Darren Sproles type.

Posted by: heyjoe728 | January 10, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Thomas Jones is a quality back-he's not Clinton Portis. Jones is not a guy that defesive coordinators need to gameplan for the same way they do for Portis. Portis is one of the top ten backs in the league, Jones is not.
Regardless of the stats, I doubt that most people would agree with you that Jones is as good or better than Portis. Portis may not be the homerun hitter he once was, but he is still a workhorse running back who can take over a game, despite playing behind a very average line. If the 'Skins had the line the Jets have, Portis' numbers would be much better. Also, Portis is one of the best blockers as a RB in the entire NFL.

Posted by: skinsknicks | January 10, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

J-La, I usually agree with your assessments (especially with the front office), but you are wrong about Portis.

Portis is the only legit elite player on this team.

Just look what Betts (a 1,000 yard rusher and above average RB), did behind our sorry line and pathetic play calling: zippy. Same can be said about S.A.

You try to compare Portis to average RBs like T. Jones, but T. Jones had a real QB behind him and a much better O-Line, not to mention better play calling.

Portis is the ONLY reason this team made the playoffs 2 out of 3 years from 05-08. He's a stud down the stretch and the reason his numbers dropped off at the end of this year is because Zorn stopped calling running plays.

Now, if you want to argue that Portis has a diva-like personality that is detrimental to the team, fine. But do not argue his skills or his heart... he is tops on the team in both categories.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 10, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Guys we're not gonna' build an o and d line in one season with four picks. So go heavy on one side of the ball or another and wait till 2010 for the other. And for G-sakes QUIT GIVING AWAY draft picks for FA's. It's killing the continuity of this club. Just sign 'um for $$$$ or pass them by.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Let's be realistic. Portis is a great back. Yes, he can be a diva off the field, but when he is on the field he is a heck of a football player. We need to consider some of the obstacles he was up against this season. Portis is running behind a tired offensive line. There are no gaping running lanes and the stretch running plays take too long to develop (due to our slow, old offensive line, not Portis). By the time a hole opens, all eleven defensive players have flowed to that side of the field. In addition, most of our wideouts are too small and/or don't know how to block if Portis even makes it to the second level. Both of which explain the lack of big running plays. Furthermore, we HAVE NO PASSING OFFENSE;it is inconsistent to say the least. Did anyone else notice that the passing attack decayed as the season progressed, just like Portis's production? Despite these offensive shortcomings, Portis repeatedly made something out of nothing. Case in point: Ladell Betts's runs were typically for a yard or less. In conclusion, PORTIS IS NOT THE PROBLEM! With an offensive line, larger, better blocking wideouts, and some semblance of a passing game, I believe he would lead the the NFL in rushing yards.

Go skins.

Posted by: dewalker1 | January 10, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Even in the vid of portis that Flounder is using as evidence portis has lost a step...well, it was a one cut run. He never "made anyone miss". He made a single cut at the line and ran to the corner as fast as he could. If that safety had not bitten to the right, Portis gets caught. Any of you ever been a running back? I used to be one and I can tell you from experience, the best way to break long runs is to get recievers who can block. As fast as Portis is (clocked as fast as 4.26 - 40)he isn't the flash. With a proper angle a DB/Safety can catch anyone. Especially when you consider how fast Corners and Safeties have gotten. Consider guys like Landry (running a 4.3 as a Strong Safety, which is usually the slower of the two safeties). Sean Taylor used to play faster than that at free. Chris Horton runs like a 4.4 too. That is just on the redskins. There are lots of corners running 4.3s, heck there are several corners running 4.2 - 40's!

Saying that Portis not beating safeties is all because he's lost a step is just silly. It's a team effort. Maybe someone (WR's I'm talking to you) needs to get a shoulder on the Safeties.

Besides, I'll take a 31 yard run anyday.

Posted by: ecale25 | January 10, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

I love how you choose to leave out stats like receiving, passing, and blocking when comparing Portis and Thomas.

I love how little you know about sports!

Posted by: filmchis | January 10, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

JLC, why would you "caucus" the members of the Redskins coaching staff? Are they politicians? See, here is the definition of the word "caucus" from thefreedictionary.com:

Caucus:
n. pl. cau·cus·es or cau·cus·ses
1.a. A meeting of the local members of a political party especially to select delegates to a convention or register preferences for candidates running for office.
b. A closed meeting of party members within a legislative body to decide on questions of policy or leadership.
c. A group within a legislative or decision-making body seeking to represent a specific interest or influence a particular area of policy: a minority caucus.

2. Chiefly British A committee within a political party charged with determining policy.

verb: cau·cused or cau·cussed, cau·cus·ing or cau·cus·sing, cau·cus·es or cau·cus·ses

verb intransitive:
To assemble in or hold a caucus.

verb transitive:
To assemble or canvass (members of a caucus).

Best check yourself before you wreck your writing assignment, JLC - aka "The Len Pasquarelli of the Washington Post."

Posted by: hithere1 | January 12, 2009 5:27 AM | Report abuse

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