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Revisiting Right Tackle, Wide Receiver

Last month, Paul "PTen" Tenorio ran down the Redskins' key position battles and, with training camp fast approaching, we'll reprise over the next few days.

First up are right tackle and wide receiver.

At right tackle, Tenorio writes that if the season were to start today, the starter presumably would be Stephon Heyer. However, he adds:

Regardless of who wins this competition, this position could be one that is discussed throughout the season if some of the same problems from last season emerge. If none of these players proves to be reliable, Washington could face criticism for failing to find a true starter during the offseason.

At wide receiver, Tenorio writes:

The Redskins desperately need any of the 'other option(s)' [than Antwaan Randle El] to step up. If they fail to do so, the offense will again rely on Chris Cooley, Santana Moss and Clinton Portis to sustain their offense -- a formula that didn't work too well last season.

By Cindy Boren  |  July 21, 2009; 12:27 PM ET
Categories:  Redskins by Position  
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Ain't that the truth.....1st

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Can we have an update on orakpo's contract negotiations? How close are they to getting a deal done? What about jarmon's contract? How bout a story about what players are doing with their free time until camp starts? Something, anything to get through these 2 weeks til training camp!

Posted by: brian58 | July 21, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,
It's bad link Tuesday.
Would you like a side order of chicken nuggets with that?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 21, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

"Washington could face criticism for failing to find a true starter during the offseason."

COULD face criticism? I'd say that's a dead cert.

"The Redskins desperately need any of the 'other option(s)' [than Antwaan Randle El] to step up."

Geez, I hope they're not paying Paul Tenorio much for this stuff. Next he'll be startling us with news that the Skins didn't make the playoffs last season.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 21, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

delete the period at the end of the link.

Posted by: jnicol2 | July 21, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"Revisiting Right Tackle, Wide Receiver"


Why?


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Fixed. Sorry 'bout that! Rushing to go to a meeting.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | July 21, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

“The final nail in the coffin was an argument they had over how to celebrate Jessica’s birthday,” the insider continued. “She wanted a splashy Ken & Barbie-themed bash with all of her celebrity friends, and Tony wanted a quiet, low-key dinner for just the two of them.”

If age>10 do not make your boyfriend goto a Ken & Barbie birthday party. Kilo Oscar Delta or kiss of death

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 21, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

As long as you're reprinting tired old stories, can we have something from the 80s when the Skins were actually good?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | July 21, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Our defense will be so go all we will need to win a game is a field goal.

Posted by: Masonman | July 21, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Why?


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2009 1:05 PM

To move away from religion talk...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 21, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The o-line is looking like it will derail the team for a 2nd straight season. Samuels and Thomas are walking injury risks. RT is still a disaster. Rabach is aging. Dockery is the only solid player on the line, and the backups are unproven and journeymen. Campbell will not have the chance to unleash his long throwing motion after the playaction. I fear a 5-11 season beckons.

Posted by: Dellis2 | July 21, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I see the Skins doing better than 5-11 Dellis2, I feel the upgrades on defense will allow the team to be no worse than last years 8-8.

Yes Thomas and Samuels are china dolls and injury prone, Rabach is fading, and the backups and factory seconds we have are mysteries.

I'll say this, if the Oline crumbles to sh%t and the offense is as pathetic as it was in the second half last year, Danny and his butt buddy Vinny are going to catch hell for not addressing the oline this past draft/offseanson in a competent and proffessional manner.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 21, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

You want new news? I got something for ya:

ESPN reporter surreptitiously videotaped nude

BRISTOL, Conn. (AP)—ESPN reporter Erin Andrews’ attorney and the network say she was surreptitiously videotaped in the nude while she was alone in a hotel room.

The blurry, five-minute video was posted on the Internet. It shows a nude blond woman standing in front of a hotel room mirror. It’s unknown when or where the video was taken.

Andrews’ attorney, Marshall Grossman, says the 31-year-old reporter plans to seek criminal charges and file civil lawsuits against the unknown cameraman and anyone who publishes the material.

EPSN spokesman Josh Krulewitz says that “Erin has been grievously wronged” by the video and its distribution. He says the network is fully supporting its reporter.

Erin has a gorgeous face, no doubt about it. But she has NO BODY at all.

"I like a chick with big breast on her chest/Not flat look like somebody stepped on her chest" - Juelz Santana

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

this is very early and out of context, but the prediction is if the Skins beat the giants on opening day, the Skins win the division, if they lose, they might make the playoffs, that's all for now, lots of football lies just ahead of us woooooooooooooooo

Posted by: retroskins14 | July 21, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Man, you guys are a real downer!

Chris Samuels is an all pro, Heyer and Mike Williams (a svelte 356 now) will hold down the RT position, and we've got a solid player (Jeremy Bridges) backing up Randy Thomas.

Philly and Dallas are the ones who are going to have problems, having to face the Giants' and Redskins' D-Lines twice each.

Drink the Kool-Aid! The 2009 version tastes great!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | July 21, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

We will beat the Giants on opening day. Those guys will not expect the pressure on Eli that we will actually be able to put on him. He will be sacked 5 times in that game, picked off twice and the Skins win 27-17

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

great prediction i hate dallas, im thinking more 23-9, it would be great to see defensive TD's this year, those are my favorite plays in football

Posted by: retroskins14 | July 21, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

dirty 30 and Big Al go hi-lo on an Eli sack and he suffers from premature decapitation

the perfect giants game on opening day

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 21, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Those guys will not expect the pressure on Eli that we will actually be able to put on him. He will be sacked 5 times in that game, picked off twice and the Skins win 27-17

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2009 1:34 PM |

Plus those guys will have rookie WRs playing their first game pretending to be Plaxico.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 21, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

then Peyton can do commercials with the headless stump of a brother

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 21, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem with those offensive options. If everyone else is doing their job, that's enough.

...again with the "ifs"

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 21, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Mike williams down to 355 as of this past weekend........

Posted by: hillb03 | July 21, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

One part of our team that rarely disappoints is the secondary. D-Hall takes one back all the way, and Eli does the "aw shucks" face as he walks off the field.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

chick with big breast

The chicken references just keep coming...

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 21, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Give Malcolm Kelly a chance to be a playmaker.... he will be the answer.

Posted by: hender_22 | July 21, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Be careful here noone...you've taken my name, twice!

then Peyton can do commercials with the headless stump of a brother

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 21, 2009 1:42 PM |

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 21, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Cowboy-hater,
I like the way you think!

It's hard to agree with you though. Last year the Gi-ANTS handled the Skins. Both games they totally shut down the Skins offense. I don't know how getting to Manning will change that. They're going to have to beat the Gi-ANTS by performing better on offense.

Key there will be the offensive line giving JC time to throw the ball, and one or more of those no-longer-rookie receivers getting open. If they can't pass the ball, NYG will put 8 in the box and it's going to be a long afternoon.


That said, I'm optimistic about the upcoming season. 10 wins is a distinct possibility. They match up very well against PHI and the hated Cowboys. 3 wins there.

They play STL, DET, TB and KC early in the year. 3 more wins.

That means they have to get 4 wins out of
2xNYG, ATL, NO, CAR, DEN, SD, OAK.

NFC South had a very good conference record, and it's going to be tough to get 1 win out of those 3 games. AFC West were doormats, though, and 2 wins are possible.

Which means they have to win 1 game against the GiANTs to get to 10-6, and I think the better chance is at FedEx in December.

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 21, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Chicken quotes?

"That girl's like that road between Fort Worth and Dallas....................................No curves."

...foghorn leghorn...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 21, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

72redskins

"I see the Skins doing better than 5-11.."


I see 5-5 the first ten games, then 4-2 the final six.

That's 9-7 and no playoffs, unless we beat the likes of Atlanta, Nawlins, in the regular season, and the bear/vikings fall flat.

I discount the Falcons and Saints as the NFC South (I see the Panthas taking the South) is turning in to the NFC East without the cold and snow.

The vikes won't have an offense, but the bears, well, with Cutler in the house, a sound running game, and a good defense, they should be good to watch.

Can you imagine a skins v. bears game--Cutler v. Campbell, in the cold in Jan.?

I can.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

chick with big breast

The chicken references just keep coming...

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 21, 2009 1:56 PM |

"Doctor, why do some guys look at the picture and see titz when this other guy looks at it and sees chicken? That's not normal, is it?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 21, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I hate Dallas.

I hate their hot-dogging, stumbling, fumbling, dumping-his-girlfriend-the-day-before-her-birthday, having-the-owner-fire-guys-so-I-can-be-a-leader-by-default, QB.

I hate their Pillsbury Doughboy, constantly clueless head coach.

Their redheaded stepchild of an offensive coordinator.

Their Botoxed, lizard-lipped, 4th-quarter-coach-em-up-on-the-sidelines owner.

And most of all, their obnoxious, fat, stupid, all-hat-no-cattle fans.

Would anybody care to guess what America's Team's record is against the Washington Redskins in the playoffs? Beuhler? Anyone?

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 21, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

If Mike Williams can do no more than just hold his ground and not let the D lineman in front of him penetrate, that's an improvement over what was there last year.

His weight, and girth should be able to do that, LOL!

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 21, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

This just in Mike Williams is down to 285

The curious case of Mike Williams ?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 21, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

last year was last year, we swept the eagles last year and people are talkin eagles in the super bowl this year (hell no) and getting pressure on manning will change everything....if we can pressure the giants qb from the 1st game, we will get pressure on everybody's qb the rest of the season, it will change everything, our offense will be better b/c of it, it's still a big IF on both lines though

Posted by: retroskins14 | July 21, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Mista Moe, I'll take skins vs bears in January, that would be an ironic match up of campbell vs cutler, though at this point, I'll take skins vs anybody in a January playoff game.

If this team can squeeze out 10 wins, we're in. On paper the defense is there, now we need the offense to show up.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 21, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

What really hurt the Redskins last year was lack of big plays on offense and defense. Special teams was kind of a wash.

But defense did not generate turnovers.

And offense did not generate big plays nearly enough. Better line play will help, but they really really need the receivers to step up. It wouldn't hurt if Portis gets that step back and starts cutting back a little more too. Way too much running towards the sideline last year.

my 2 cents.

BTW, the answer is ZERO. Dallas is 0-4 against the Redskins in the playoffs.

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 21, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Chicken quotes?

Why did Mr. Milo cross the road?

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 21, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Why did Mr. Milo cross the road?

Posted by: dpc2003

Becasue his d*** was stuck in the chicken.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Nice job catching the "Last Boy Scout" reference.

Redskins have a tough schedule this year, the good news is that the "easy" opponents are front-loaded. So if they can whip up on teams that are rebuilding, with new coaches, QB's, etc., then they can build some momentum heading into November.

Which, of course, is what happened last year. They have just GOT to play better at the end of the year.

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 21, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"Which, of course, is what happened last year. They have just GOT to play better at the end of the year."

You recall that last year the 'easy' opponents were supposedly in the second half, and the tough schedule was first.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 21, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

What I recall is 6-2 then 2-6. What I meant in the post was that based on what's going on with teams in the early part of the season, they could come out of the first 8 games 6-2, just like last year.

What they can't do is then go 2-6.

Yes, it's difficult to say who is going to be "easy" versus "tough". Which is why I put "easy" in quotes. You never know. There were several games late last year where the Redskins proved they were not playoff caliber, losing to SFO and CIN -- with the season on the line in CIN. Just not cool.

They were close to winning 10 games, I think closer to winning 10 than they were to winning 7. They had some bad breaks.

Posted by: dpc2003 | July 21, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

We will beat the Giants on opening day. Those guys will not expect the pressure on Eli that we will actually be able to put on him. He will be sacked 5 times in that game, picked off twice and the Skins win 27-17

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2009 1:34 PM

Hmmmmmm! I was thinking 17-6

Posted by: abxinc | July 21, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

BMitch interjects himself on the LAVar Show.....

I wish they'd stop talking about this rape case. it's too early and too many people making assumptions.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 21, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"Regardless of who wins this competition, this position could be one that is discussed throughout the season if some of the same problems from last season emerge. If none of these players proves to be reliable, Washington could face criticism for failing to find a true starter during the offseason."--Paul Tenorio

Hey, go easy there big fella. This kind of vicious, brutal and uncalled for criticism of the front office is likely to get you on Vinny's bad side.

Posted by: TheCork | July 21, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"We will beat the Giants on opening day."

The jints are in the same place with Eli that we are in with JC17.

Yes: Eli has a ring.

But he has to be the 'man' now that Plax, Ward, and Toomer are gone.

In the playoff game against Philly last year, he looked lost without Plax, and the green-team shut down big blue with no prob.

Jason Campbell and Eli Manning must both now make do with, well, doo-doo.

Both the skins and jints are going with youth and unproven guys at wide receiver, and will put stout defenses on the field this year.

Last year, skins fans bragged about sweeping the iggles. This year, sweeping the jints might mean a fight for the division and a playoff berth.

Or, if 2009 is a replay of 2008, doo-doo.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - "Erin has a gorgeous face, no doubt about it. But she has NO BODY at all."

not sure how you can say that...
http://www.hogwild.net/Rants/hottest-female-sports-reporters-erin-andrews-ines-sainz-jill-arrington.htm

Posted by: torqued21 | July 21, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

11-5 for the Skins this season! 1st place in the NFC East

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

We will beat the Giants on opening day. Those guys will not expect the pressure on Eli that we will actually be able to put on him. He will be sacked 5 times in that game, picked off twice and the Skins win 27-17

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2009 1:34 PM

Dude! How can you be quitting on the Skins' D so early!?! Coughing up 17 points?!?! That's crazy talk! Nine max ... all field goals.

Also, anybody up here an expert at Kardin Budget Module software? [And if not yet, then why not? Only one response required ... nobody else will get it.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm ... Inez Saaaaaaaainzzzzz ...

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

not sure how you can say that...
http://www.hogwild.net/Rants/hottest-female-sports-reporters-erin-andrews-ines-sainz-jill-arrington.htm


Posted by: torqued21 | July 21, 2009 3:50 PM

2 words:

Ines Sainz

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 21, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Also, anybody up here an expert at Kardin Budget Module software? [And if not yet, then why not? Only one response required ... nobody else will get it.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2009 3:57 PM

Not only do we call out the same lady, but I have been working trying to understand KArdin the past 2 weeks!

What's up?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 21, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - "Erin has a gorgeous face, no doubt about it. But she has NO BODY at all."

not sure how you can say that...
http://www.hogwild.net/Rants/hottest-female-sports-reporters-erin-andrews-ines-sainz-jill-arrington.htm


Posted by: torqued21

I gotta school you.

Have you ever heard of a wonder/push up bra? She's also wearing a tight sweater, which would make her breast look bigger.

I wonder how many times have you said: "Dude, her ti-ti's looked much bigger than that in that dress she wore that night."

And please those shots of her ass isn't nothing special. No thickness on her rump at all. No hips.

You ever seen an onion -- on a chick?

Like I said, Erin Andrews has a bangin' face. But her body is lacking. I stand by it.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Now that Ines Sainz chick has an onion booty.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Now that Ines Sainz chick has an onion booty.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2009 4:11 PM

We agree on that at least. I'm just sayin wouldn't kick Erin outta the rotation.

Posted by: torqued21 | July 21, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Start Devin Thomas at #2 and let the chips fall like rain..Yeah, if Skins o-line can't contain Giants in the first game like last year, than they probably won't contain 'em at the end of the year, when they'll be more banged up..Like, the Republican senators from Utah and Arizona opened legislation to block Delaware and NJ from legalized NFL gambling. Whatta joke!! They're just representing the Vegas mob versus the Jersey and Delaware mobs, who wants the monopoly..I predict a gang war breaks out on Capitol Hill between senators in pin stripes with Thompsons riddling the chamber..

Posted by: frak | July 21, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Just curious if anyone wants to chime in on this. Why are the Jets rated as a top 5 fantasy defense, and the Skins aren't even close? I know you get points for sacks and turnovers, but this is a new year with a nasty DT. The guys that do fantasy are nerds anyway.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Like I said, Erin Andrews has a bangin' face. But her body is lacking. I stand by it."

Have you actually watched the videos? Repeatedly? If so, you would likely see that she is no smoke and mirrors act. It's not wardrobe trickery or CGI - she's got a great figure.

Trust me I have scrutinized the evidence thoroughly, much like the Zapruder film.

"back, and to the left..."

Posted by: McMetal | July 21, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I personally think that there is two spot on the O-Line that is of concern entering the season and right tackle isn't one of them. It is actually at center with Casey Rabach. He is a smart serviceable center but his physical attributes fail him game in and game out. He gave up 5.5 sacks last year which is high for a center. He consistently allows the middle of the pocket to collapse forcing Jason Campbell to move off his desired launching pad on 3 and 5 step drops. That is very critical in a fast paced west coast offense. Then lined up next to him is Randy Thomas who gave up 4 sacks and is almost guaranteed to miss at least 4 games due to injury. Despite popular belief I think the Skins actually did just enough with the addition of Jeremy Bridges to address any concerns the right guard position may bring. He has starting experiences at both the right guard and right tackle spots and has never been considered a weak link on the O-Line. The addition of Derek Dockery means that the running attack will again be dominant especially on the left side of the line. What does all of that mean? It means that the O-line will indeed be improved from a year ago. Combine that with the offense entering their second year in the same system, second year players actually contributing, a QB with a chip on his shoulder, and a possibly dominating Defense and you may be looking at the sleeper team of the 2009 season. The only team in the division that actually made significant moves over the off-season are the Eagles whom the Skins swept last year.

I'm not claiming the Super Bowl by any stretch of the imagination but they are bound to be much improved over a year ago in which they were 8-8. "I'm not saying, I'm just saying...".

Posted by: eazy413 | July 21, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

If they had beaten SF and Cincy last year , thats 10-6 and playoffs, a coupla beers and a midget Ukranian acrobat..

Posted by: frak | July 21, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget the Rams, Kendall, and Leigh Torrence!

11-5

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 21, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

BMitch cussing up a storm on the radio ranting against the redskins/RB situation. Hiliarious....

Now they talking about Snyder, again....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 21, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 21, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

That Rams game was proof that ball control ball can be very risky , too, without a sufficient lead . We should have been able to rack 30 on 'em, but coach was hoping to eke out a one touchdown-victory by a nose.

Posted by: frak | July 21, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

4th you must fill us in on Bmitch and what they are saying. slow day I need some amusement

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 21, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Its been discussed up here before, how an OL is defined more by its weakest link than by its top player. That's because a weak link is where the defense attacks.

The Skins OL, when healthy, on paper, would appear to be OK. The problem is, when one of these guys gets tweaked, the dropoff creates a major weakness.

Because of age issues, the likelihood of guys getting hurt is pretty high.

Samuels is terrific, but he had a knee issue last year before a torn muscle ended his season

Dockery is the one guy thats most likely to play all 16

Rabach has played consistently and reasonably well, though there are matchups were he has been abused.

Thomas rarely finishes a season healthy, and its not clear to me if his neck injury might be an ongoing problem

RT is tbd, but clearly it has the potential to be a weak link position.

All in all, the OL might hold together, but its more likely that somewhere along the way, its springs a very noticeable leak.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 21, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Recap of BMitch (In Angry Black Man's/Charlie Brown Grown Up's voice):

"MWA MWA MWA MWA MWA MWA MWA MWA SJK SJK MWA MWAMWA MWA SJK!"

Total truth.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 21, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

BMitch cussing up a storm on the radio ranting against the redskins/RB situation. Hiliarious....

Now they talking about Snyder, again....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Just give BMitch about 4 cups of extra strong coffee and let the fun begin

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 21, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Erin suffers from assatall - She has no ass at all!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | July 21, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow, some of the predictions about the Skins beating the Giants by 10 or more pts is a little unrealistic. If the Skins do win, I think it' going to be alot tighter then that, something like 16-13. For some reason fans seem to think that the Giants D can't or won't be just as good as the Skins D. So to be putting up 20+ on an absolutely scary D line going up against a questionable O line is a little to optimistic if you ask me.

Posted by: ga8085 | July 21, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

getting to the point where the season, or at least the preseason, is in sight. To me, this team is marginally better than last year. Thing is, the weakest link is the OL and a problematic OL can take down an entire offense. I offer last year's 2-6 finish as just one example of what occurs when an OL goes wrong.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 21, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

So to be putting up 20+ on an absolutely scary D line going up against a questionable O line is a little to optimistic if you ask me.

Posted by: ga8085 | July 21, 2009 5:31 PM |

Well, that's exactly why we didn't ask you. We don't want to hear that sort of talk the week before training camp. This is the time of year for Happy Thoughts. Negative thoughts we'll listen to only after we're officially out of the playoffs which, of course, isn't going to happen this season.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 21, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I hope the West Coast Offense has some plays with two right tackles in them, because it takes both Heyer and Williams mixed together to equal one decent right tackle. Zorn needs to be the innovator from the very hot place if he is going to survive this season. I see right tackle as the weakness, and strangely, I think the Redskins are going to be okay at wide receiver - so much so that I think they should put ARE on the trading block.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 21, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I hope the West Coast Offense has some plays with two right tackles in them, because it takes both Heyer and Williams mixed together to equal one decent right tackle.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 21, 2009 5:59 PM

Really? You seen Williams play RT recently?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 21, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

The Giants are the class of the division --out executing everyone-- however, even their team has preseason question marks with a new defensive coordinator, young WRs, and no two-headed RB attack.

The Skins will be in the hunt if they can stabilize the OL, find another WR to complement Moss, and improve the special team performance.

Posted by: siris | July 21, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"I hope the West Coast Offense has some plays with two right tackles in them, because it takes..."

It's called the 'rhino' or unbalanced line.

That's two tackles and a tight end on one side of the line:


Moss

(El-slot)

Samuels
Dockery
Rabach-c
Thomas
Williams
Heyer
Cooley

The rams of "Greatest Show on Turf" ran this formation with Faulk in the one-back, Holt in the slot with Bruce wide.

They ran the ball to the 'tackle-overload' side, and ran play action passes where Warner would fake right, then hit Bruce or Holt to the other side of the field.

Will Zorn put this is the playbook?: doubt it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

well cindy boren said that Paul tenario said that ......

We needed a big receiver And we drafted 2 + a TE. We needed a LE so we drafted 2. I'm thinking we draft multiple O line next year. Assuming that the ship stays on course.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 21, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I suspect Williams will win the RT competition and Heyer will be the primary backup OT.

Posted by: siris | July 21, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I agree rabach is a WEAK link in the line he makes too many stupid mistakes in critcal situations over the years and he is too small and weak. Hopefully one of the many lineman washington has brought in this year will challenge rabach. bridges or maybe rinehart will compete for thomas's postion.

Posted by: wathu19 | July 21, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Really? You seen Williams play RT recently?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 21, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

No one has. That's the problem..

Posted by: ga8085 | July 21, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"Really? You seen Williams play RT recently? No one has. That's the problem."

That's why you have to ask how the team could forgo drafting a young tackle to 'train up'.

After the draft, Vinny Cerrato was quoted as saying that he didn't feel there weren't offensive linemen worthy of selecting...but somehow, Mike Williams, a player out of shape and out of the league, was.

Go figure.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Really? You seen Williams play RT recently?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

That's just the point, isn't it? The guy was a bust before he spent two years gathering rust... Everybody is thinking if he makes the weight then he is going to be awesome, but wouldn't he have already been awesome in Buffalo or Jacksonville when he was at the right weight?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 21, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"I'll say this, if the Oline crumbles to sh%t and the offense is as pathetic as it was in the second half last year, Danny and his butt buddy Vinny are going to catch hell for not addressing the oline this past draft/offseanson in a competent and proffessional manner."

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 21, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, you are wrong. The O-line IS sure to crumble, but "Danny" has too large of an ego and Vinny is a "yes man" who increases said ego.

In lieu of either of them taking any responsibility for their failure to manage the personnel properly, they will shift the burden of responsibility to Campbell and Zorn and the SKins will again be in a rebuilding phase with a new head coach and a new QB in 2010.

Over-spending for high profile free agents and neglecting to put in the pieces to create a substantively solid team is the name of their game. Thereby producing 7-9, 9-7 seasons consistently.

Dan Snyder is a joke and a terrible owner and Vinny Cerato is no better.

Posted by: laxpro95 | July 21, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

rabach is the weak link? not RT? I hope that 11,12, and/or 86 adds a wrinkle to the passing game, taking pressure off portis, and putting more pressure on opposing D's.

If this happens our line will be fine. I still think we're looking at multiple rookie O line next year.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 21, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Put ARE on the trading block? Not exactly sure who would offer something for him at this point. Plus I think you can only do that if you trust the kids to run the right routes.

Dock should be an upgrade for Kendall, and that should help the overall line, esp Rabach, as they are all interdependent. Williams hasn't played in a while, so even if he ultimately shows the most ability, unlikely he starts the first half of this season. Heyer has more game experience (at least lately) and should get the nod. Hopefully he's improved over the offseason.

The D *should* be better. There's no reason they shouldn't be able to generate pass-rush this year. That alone would make them a lot more effective and would help the secondary get more picks.

The Giants still have a two-headed RB attack with Jacobs and Bradshaw. They lost the third head. Their d-line is always a tough test, but at least our O-line should be fresh and (hopefully) healthy for the first meeting.

Philly likely upgraded their O-line and might have found someone to legitimately take the load off of Westbrook. The kid Celek and Maclin give Donovan more options as well.

Dallas gets Felix Jones back, though it will be interesting to see if the Williams can be the #1 WR for Romo.

Heck, I'm just ready to stop talking football and actually start watching some! Been getting itchy for it watching last season's replays on the NFL Network.

Posted by: ts35 | July 21, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
The Ravens ran the unbalanced line last year and had some success with it. I agree that it is a patch for a shaky right tackle, but also unfortunately, I have to agree with you that Zorn probably won't adopt it. It doesn't fit into his WCO playbook! If I were the owner of the team I would burn that darned playbook and tell Zorn to make up the East Coast Offense from scratch. We'd have play action, motion on every other play, five wide receiver sets, we'd run some wildcat, unbalanced lines, tight end overloads, naked bootlegs... man, it would be a work of art.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 21, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

ts35,
If Vinny was a smart man he would be on the phone with the Ravens seeing what he could get for ARE. The Ravens are minus a certain receiver named Mason and they could use another receiver. Zorn has the bigger, stronger, ball hogging receivers that he wanted and ARE doesn't fit into the future plans. Get a sixth or seventh round pick and step into the breech, my friend. I think some receivers develop through a system, and I think some receivers make the system. Zorn needs to start letting his receivers shape the system. He'd be amazed what a Devin Thomas or Marko Mitchell could do with the deep pass, and what M. Kelly can do in the red zone.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 21, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

That was mike williams problem in buf and jax, once he got in the league he just got bigger, notice all the articles that hes trying to get back to his college weight not nfl weight cuz clearly his play at his previous weight failed....anyone at 380 pounds trying to play the tackle position is ripe for disaster

Posted by: hillb03 | July 21, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

That's just the point, isn't it? The guy was a bust before he spent two years gathering rust... Everybody is thinking if he makes the weight then he is going to be awesome, but wouldn't he have already been awesome in Buffalo or Jacksonville when he was at the right weight?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 21, 2009 7:04 PM

No, it's not the point. There are a bunch of coaches out at Redskins Park who have seen him everyday.

I don't think I've read anyone up here who thinks he's going to be "awesome." A few people think he might get the job done. A bunch of people like you have prejudged him and think he can't. Most, like the coaches, are waiting to see.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 21, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

A sideline reporter is videotaped nude with out her consent. Big Ben is accused of rape and you guys are talking the RT still?!? I go away for a day and you guys let the blog go FUBAR!

Posted by: alex35332 | July 21, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

"No, it's not the point. There are a bunch of coaches out at Redskins Park who have seen him everyday.I don't think I've read anyone up here who thinks he's going to be "awesome." A few people think he might get the job done. A bunch of people like you have prejudged him and think he can't. Most, like the coaches, are waiting to see.Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Well put. How can anybody on this blog predict how the guy will perform in camp? Even if somebody was right, it would still be a guess. Anything opinions formed at this point are pure speculation.

Reasons to be skeptical: he wasn't exactly a star at Buffalo. He's been out for a couple seasons. He's had to lose 100 pounds, which suggests he could still have conditioning problems.

Reasons to be optimistic: he wants to play again. He's among friends in Washington. He's an enormous man who once had enormous talent. He has good foundational skills, based on his tenure at Texas.

Based on that astute analysis, I conclude that I haven't got a clue how this will turn out.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 21, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

If Vinny was a smart man he would be on the phone with the Ravens seeing what he could get for ARE. The Ravens are minus a certain receiver named Mason and they could use another receiver. Zorn has the bigger, stronger, ball hogging receivers that he wanted and ARE doesn't fit into the future plans. Get a sixth or seventh round pick and step into the breech, my friend. I think some receivers develop through a system, and I think some receivers make the system. Zorn needs to start letting his receivers shape the system. He'd be amazed what a Devin Thomas or Marko Mitchell could do with the deep pass, and what M. Kelly can do in the red zone.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 21, 2009 7:22 PM

No, Vinny, unlike you, is contrained by the cap. He can't trade ARE this year. And, a sixth or a seventh would hardly be worth the cap hit if he could take it. And he should make the trade based on your faith in a rookie seventh rounder?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 21, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

If Vinny was a smart man he would be on the phone with the Ravens seeing what he could get for ARE. .... He'd be amazed what a Devin Thomas or Marko Mitchell could do with the deep pass, and what M. Kelly can do in the red zone.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 21, 2009 7:22 PM

Are you saying Vinnie is smart or dumb? First you imply that he's dumb for not trading ARE. Then you imply in the last sentence that he's a genius for drafting Marko Mitchell in the seventh round, a guy who, as a rookie, could replace ARE. You seem to want to have it both ways.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 21, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

seriously even outside of the Cap issues El's worth a bit more than a 6/7 pick. He is probably worth a 4.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 21, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

seriously even outside of the Cap issues El's worth a bit more than a 6/7 pick. He is probably worth a 4.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 21, 2009 9:04 PM

I've never understood it, Alex, but there are a lot of guys who post up here and dislike ARE.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 21, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I offer last year's 2-6 finish as just one example of what occurs when an OL goes wrong.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 21, 2009 5:49 PM |

Or something else happens, Inspector Clouseau.

Posted by: BirnamWood | July 21, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, WaPo can't be so cash strapped that they don't even have the coin to hire a teenager who knows Java to fix the RI website. Sometimes it comes up without a scroll bar to navigate downward. And there is still a tag line with JLC's name that comes up when you pass the cursor over the RI logo.

Posted by: BirnamWood | July 21, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I'll say this, if the Oline crumbles to sh%t and the offense is as pathetic as it was in the second half last year, Danny and his butt buddy Vinny are going to catch hell for not addressing the oline this past draft/offseanson in a competent and proffessional manner.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 21, 2009 1:26 PM |

And if it does hold up they are going to catch hail from the fans chanting
"Hail to the Redskins".

Posted by: BirnamWood | July 21, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

keys to success:

1. trade your 2nd best WR leaving you with 1 proven WR. This is brilliant. all of you suggesting this must be GM's. Instead of getting more quality WR's go for LESS. This is exceptional.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 21, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

we finished 2-6 yes, Betts missed some games and this didn't help, and is no fault of the o-line.

also, we played the best, 2nd, and 3rd best D's in the league in th 2-6 stretch. rumor has it this will lower your offensive production.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 21, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

WaPo = Alpo

Posted by: BirnamWood | July 21, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

yo birnam wood, r we going to kick ass this year ???

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 21, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Ye San Diego State Prospecte for the Nationalistas looks like the team can't afford to sign, according to FoxSouth Sports, due to recession and sh*tty attendance revenue, who's fault is that..The Washington Sports Curse in full effeck, or is they jus' tryin' to killing us softly?? know what I',a sayin'??

Posted by: frak | July 21, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Birnamwood, I hope the line doesn't crumble to sh&t and if it doesn't, it'll be pure luck.

If the Patriots or Giants had the Oline issues we do, would they have addressed it during the draft/offseason the way our FO did?

I doubt it very seriously.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 21, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

OK,GO DC UNITED!! my bad..

Posted by: frak | July 21, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I only got one thing to say to Brian Mitchell, "THE BALL IS ON YOUR RIGHT YOU IDIOT , WHY WOULD YOU TURN ALL THE WAY AROUND AND NOT JUST CHECK TO THE RIGHT BEFORE YOU DO A FREAKING 360 AND LOSE THE BALL AND THE GAME FOR US YOU WASTE OF A PLAYER!!!" B Mitch, or as I call him minus the m, should never show his face in the city cause he is a traitor and a choke artist. Back in the day I didnt even hate the Cowgirls cause they sucked anyway, but losing to the Niners or Giants was unacceptable.

Posted by: jpt1002 | July 21, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Many on here think that The Danny only cares about money. That may be true, but if the Skins win the SB, then he will make more money than if they don't. More jerseys will be sold, more fans will go to the game, etc., so I think he is trying to win and to build a team even if he is not sure how to.

Zorn will do his best to win this year if for no other reason than to continue his career as a coach in the NFL.

What we as fans need to do is have some faith that the Skins are trying to win FB games and achieve their goal of winning the SB.

We can all moan and groan over draft picks and FA acquisitions, but all any of us has is our best guess since we are not seeing the players on a daily basis.

I see 10-11 wins this year and some stability in our coach and QB after a strong playoff run. But, alas, I too am only guessing.

Posted by: Skins930 | July 21, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

yo birnam wood, r we going to kick ass this year ???

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 21, 2009 10:08 PM |

I sure hope so pa.

Posted by: BirnamWood | July 22, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Chicken quotes?

"That girl's like that road between Fort Worth and Dallas....................................No curves."

...foghorn leghorn...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 21, 2009 1:59 PM |

"That girl's like a pirate ............................... she has a sunken chest."

... Popeye Chicken ...

Posted by: BirnamWood | July 22, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

The blurry, five-minute video was posted on the Internet. It shows a nude blond woman standing in front of a hotel room mirror. It’s unknown when or where the video was taken.

Andrews’ attorney, Marshall Grossman, says the 31-year-old reporter plans to seek criminal charges and file civil lawsuits against the unknown cameraman and anyone who publishes the material.

EPSN spokesman Josh Krulewitz says that “Erin has been grievously wronged” by the video and its distribution. He says the network is fully supporting its reporter.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2009 1:27 PM |

Either this is a cynical career move on her part or she really is a dumb blonde and (a) never saw "Sliver" or (b) if she did, she didn't understand it.

Posted by: BirnamWood | July 22, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

"know what I',a sayin'??'Posted by: frak"

The correct English spelling is 'knowhutumsayn?'

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2009 6:33 AM | Report abuse

"....there are a lot of guys who post up here and dislike ARE."

Dislike is disappointment turned inside out.

Folks saw what he did in the Super Bowl against the 'hawks and thought he'd light up FEDEX every other Sunday.

Well, that's yet to happen: that accounts for the disappointment and thus, the dislike.

Thing is, El's past two seasons as a receiver are acually better than what he did in stillersland.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Dislike is disappointment turned inside out.

Thing is, El's past two seasons as a receiver are acually better than what he did in stillersland.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 6:58 AM

I'm not sure what that first sentence means, but it sounds good. Did you make that up or get it out of a self-help book? I'm going to try to remember it so I can say it to my teenaged kids. Especially if they complain about ARE.

The second sentence explains why the guys who dislike him are, well, "misguided."

I don't think there's anything wrong with ARE's game as a Redskin that couldn't be cured by more imaginative coaching -- play design and play calling. It's like going out and paying top dollar for a Ferrari and using it to haul groceries home from the Food Lion.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 7:17 AM | Report abuse

"El's past two seasons as a receiver are acually better than what he did in stillersland.Posted by: MistaMoe"

"I don't think there's anything wrong with ARE's game as a Redskin that couldn't be cured by more imaginative coaching -- play design and play calling. pposted by: talent_evaluator"

I suspect Randle El benefited greatly from the marketplace when he came out as an FA. There was a lot of blather even then about how he hadn't yet been an impact player.

The blatherers turn out to have had a point.

Still, that contract doesn't look so out of line in view of what's happened since. As a player, he's been about what we should have expected. No grounds to ask for a refund.

But I would like to see him playing the Ronnie Brown role in a Wildcat formation -- which Zorn has already expressed disinterest in.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

http://redskinshogheaven.com/2009/07/do-the-redskins-have-a-defensive-weakness.html

An analysis on how the new players on defense have fixed the skins weakness in their 4th ranked defense.

Posted by: TWISI | July 22, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

t_evaluator

Re: 'Dislike is disappointment turned inside out.'

"I'm not sure what that first sentence means, but it sounds good. Did you make that up or get it out of a self-help book?"

The sentence means that sometimes people hate on things that let them down.

Didja ever fall out of love with a woman then badmouth her to another guy?: that's disappointment turned inside out into hate.

And it--like every other thought that crosses my mind while posting--is original.

I was responding to a statement where someone asked why so many folks disliked Antawn Randle El by pointing out that in the mind of many bloggas, he's failed as a redskin when his numbers as a wide receiver suggest otherwise.

(Sorry for the 'deep' stuff. I'll stop while I'm ahead.)

Where's my coffee?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

An analysis on how the new players on defense have fixed the skins weakness in their 4th ranked defense.

Posted by: TWISI | July 22, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

That was a good read but, to quote Winston Wolf: "Let's not start sucking each other's SJK's just yet, gentlemen."

I want to see them line up and play before I declare them the best in the league or even improved.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 22, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Yeh, I don't really have a problem w/ ARE. They've aksed him to be a #2 receiver when he's actually a #3.

Match him back up w/ safeties/LBs instead of CBs and you have an emergency outlet again.

....mornin' all!

Oh, did anyone catch tha NFL show on ESPN last nite? CC was saying how the Vikings are the only NFC team w/ 4 offensive stupor stars on it when adding Favre.... ?!?@

Campbell, Moss, Portis, Cooley - I can see where maaaaybe Campbell is a question mark at the least... but I'll take him over Favre these days...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Who would the Vikes 4 be? Favre, Peterson, Berrian and...?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 22, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

I was just thinking that, etrod - hence did not read article.

I have enough sunshine up my tuchas lately...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator,
I think Vin Cerrato is an incomplete idiot. I don't disagree with everything he has done, which would make him a complete idiot. I think Marko Mitchell might turn out to be a a bright light in Vinny's cloudy resume. I think Vinny would show more of his business acumen if he were able to get some value out of ARE before the team buries him on the depth chart. Randal El is about is good as he is going to get and that is not good enough. His punt return skills have declined and I can remember so many critical passes that he has dropped: the team doesn't need him. Couple this with the fact that the Ravens offensive coordinator was ARE's college coach, they're hurting for wide receivers and why not try to get a guy you are familiar with?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 22, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't payin' that much attention, but when I heard the 'only NFC team w/ 4 offensive stars' part - it stuck in my craw.

Although I'd rather have them overlook us than laud us, y'know?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Original_etrod, DikShuttle I didn't really get the vibe the the author was touting the skins D as the best in the NFL. He mentioned how the new players added will help guys like Carter, and Rocky be in better position to make plays out of the base defense if teams run 3WR. Anyone knows / can find out if this was a primary weaknes of the skins defense last year. IMO if the theory is correct Los should be in for a lot of action, as he probably will be playing man or cover 3 on the outside against the #1 WR.

Posted by: TWISI | July 22, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I got no problem with that, SkinHead - as long as there is a receiver who steps up...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Give Malcolm Kelly a chance to be a playmaker.... he will be the answer.

Posted by: hender_22 | July 21, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse


We'd love to give him a chance. He has a nasty habit of needing knee surgery every few months. If he can kick that habit, I'm sure there's room for him in the playboook.

Posted by: p1funk | July 22, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Didn't read it, TWISI - mebbe I should! But I'm too busy watching You SUCK at PhotoShop

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I agree that El is at highest a 2.5. He is a 3 who you bring in when your 2 was hurt. His numbers have been great for a 3.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I agree that El is at highest a 2.5. He is a 3 who you bring in when your 2 was hurt. His numbers have been great for a 3.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I just heard that Gibbs is pimping his self-help book on CowTurd today. Mega gross. How about standing on principal and skipping that sean taylor bashing tool's show?

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Damn, CL - everything ok?

wait... who's CowTurd?

Alex - there's an echo in here!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I know,
I know
I know
I know

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

You know, I'm obviously hoping for the best from both, but I really don't get why so many people throw Malcolm Kelly under the bus and declare Devin Thomas the only viable option as a savior for the #2 spot.

Malcolm Kelly is the one with upside. The only thing stopping him is his health (which is no small issue). Teammates and coaches alike rave about his abilities on the field, and were supremely disappointed when he had to be sidelined for much of last year.

Meanwhile, Devin Thomas got chance after chance after chance, played in all 16 games, was gifted the opportunity to take the #3 spot (by virtue of no other real options), yet still could barely make a dent for this team. I don't know how people magically see him exploding into the spotlight as this team's WR savior, given he'll be in the exact same conditions he was in last season. A decent #3 option? Sure, he could be that. But going from 15 catches for 120 yards on the season to 60 catches for 800+ in one season seems far more unrealistic, in my eyes, than having the guy who teammates and coaches liked more from the beginning simply get healthy and perform to his initial prowess.

But I'd love to be right and wrong on that one (right with MK, wrong with DT). Just my .02.

Posted by: psps23 | July 22, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

psp, if MK is healthy then I think they both will be very good players. I don't think people are down on MK as a player. We just don't know whether/how much he will play so no one's making any predictions whereas DT showed flashes during the season and appears to have gotten his act together. As for his numbers improving, I offer Roddy White.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 22, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

dik: CowTurd = Colin Cowherd the worst sports talk radio host & notorious skins basher.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

People like MK, its his knees that mofos are skeptical of....

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

PSP,
I am one that likes Thomas over Kelly. The major reasons being not only the health factor. Which as you admit is big. But When we used Thomas on the end around it showed what he can do when the ball is in his hand.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Ladell was on LaVar show and said MK12 will be the biggest surprise of the season. I like the consistency of every player interviewed pointing to Kelley.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

twisi:" didn't really get the vibe the the author was touting the skins D as the best in the NFL."

He wasn't. He was just pointing out some matchup problems for one particular NFC East rival. And doing a pretty good job of it.

Of course the game comes down to one team physically beating another. And like Larry Holmes once said of Mike Tysyon: when you're watching film, you can see a hundred ways to beat the guy. But then once he starts hitting you, you forget them.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"Although I'd rather have them overlook us than laud us, y'know?"

Despite the team's history, the Redskins get few props whenever media types yak up 'great teams/franchises/fanbases'.

The skins never get mentioned with the stillers, bears, b-more colts, and packers when folks talk history.

Joe Gibbs coached one of the most prolific scoring teams of the 80s and won two championships, but all media types yak about are the niners of Walsh and jints of Parcells.

The other week, on the NFL Network, Jamie "the Preacher" Dukes ranked the 5 best fanbases and left out the redskin fanbase stating it was as supportive of its' team as others were of theirs.

This omission by Dukes came a week after not including Chris Cooley as one of the league's top 5 tight ends.

To quote the great philosopher Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield, "The redskins can't get no respect in this league."

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Bernard Berrian, offensive superstar? Thats ridiculous. I hate the media.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | July 22, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I think Kelly is probably the more talented WR, while Thomas the better athlete. The issue with Kelly is that because of his injury history, I think the coaching staff will like to bring him along slowly so he'll be there down the stretch. He'll def play as the #4 WR but I think Thomas is the one they hope grabs the #2 WR spot initially.

Posted by: TWISI | July 22, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Bernard Berrian, offensive superstar? Thats ridiculous. I hate the media.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | July 22, 2009 9:53 AM

He was a fantasy dud for me the 1st 6/7 weeks, then I had to dump him and he soon caught on fire........

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I don't buy the Roddy White comparisons to DT because White showed flashes of real ability his rookie season. He was inconsistent, but he still put up 400-500+ yards his rookie year. Thomas had the nice endaround, but that's not exactly a routine play (nor an actual route for a WR). Plus, even if he is mirroring White, it's still a rare occurrence to see that type of production increase.

If I'm being a realistic optimist, I'm hoping for 400-500+ yards from DT this year (hopefully, most of them in big plays -- a Devery Henderson sort of player). That would make me happy, given what he was last year. But if I was betting on it, I'd say Kelley will end up being a much more consistent and reliable option than Thomas.

Posted by: psps23 | July 22, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I just heard that Gibbs is pimping his self-help book on CowTurd today. Mega gross. How about standing on principal and skipping that sean taylor bashing tool's show?

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 9:06 AM |

Christ, Larry, you dumb azz, you can't be talking CowTurd when the cows are making pies.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | July 22, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if Mike Vick can recover his game and name?

Check out this story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/sports/football/22williams.html?_r=1&hp

If Ricky Williams can come back from the 'great beyond,' Vick can, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

While I am pro Vick comeback, you can hardly compare being a weed head to systamtic animal cruelty and a multi-state organized crime racket......

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I dunno Comparing Ricky Williams to Mike Vick is a hard one to swallow. Similar punishments for very different crimes. pot use is much more socially acceptable in America today then killing of dogs for sport.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 22, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

How about standing on principal and skipping that sean taylor bashing tool's show?

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 9:06 AM

Gibbs should be more like ChRis lARry and avoid confrontation whenever he can.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"Christ, Larry, you dumb azz, you can't be talking CowTurd when the cows are making pies.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | July 22, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse "

HUH?

Posted by: chrislarry | July 22, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"Christ, Larry,"

I believe it's 'chrislarry'.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

If Ricky Williams can come back from the 'great beyond,' Vick can, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2009 10:17 AM |

Man you are extra special studpid today buddy. It is one thing to have a thing for herb and something completely different to be electrocuting, hanging and beating to death poor innocent canines.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | July 22, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

LAST

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 22, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

"Christ, Larry,"

I believe it's 'chrislarry'.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2009 10:27 AM |

And for you I believe it is 'SonofSam'.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | July 22, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

who is this Franco d-bag?

trying to make a name for yourself, guy?

i don't know what's worse your weak hollow ass shots, or the fact that you're trying to make a name for yourself on a blog.

gotta love internet gangsters.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

'twas thinkin' that, Begbie, just didn't know how to put it into words.

I do think that Williams' repeated transgressions do mimic in the fact that they were not repented and Rikki was not contrite to the league.

Severity of transgression is incomprable, however.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead wrote:
"Randal El is about is good as he is going to get and that is not good enough. His punt return skills have declined and I can remember so many critical passes that he has dropped: the team doesn't need him."

The question is not whether Cerrato should try to trade him, but whether anyone would actually deal for him and I think you have made my argument for me. Just because the Ravens staff is familiar with him is not enough reason to trade for a $4+ mil WR with declining skills. There are likely cheaper, better, younger options out there.

It also really doesn't make sense for the Skins to trade him (and take the cap hit) until they figure out if the youngsters can actually earn their playing time this year. With losing Thrash, they are already down one experienced WR. Campbell is going to have a hard enough time this year without also having to deal with WRs who aren't consistent with their routes.

Posted by: ts35 | July 22, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

With the lack of attention that the Redskins' FO gave to the O-Line during this spring's draft, I'm not really convinced that Campbell (or any of our QBs) will consistently have adequate time to throw to our receivers. With a really questionable O-Line, I'm not optimistic of our running game blowing up, either.

Just being realistically pessimistic...

Posted by: ntlekt | July 22, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

"who is this Franco d-bag?
trying to make a name for yourself, guy?"

I imagine he's already got plenty of names. A troll type.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

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