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Position Battle: No. 3 Wide Receiver

My initial thought was to stick with the offensive-line analysis today and focus on right guard, where coaches would be pleased if a candidate emerged to push Randy Thomas. But since that candidate doesn't exist, let's look at the slugfest that features Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas and James Thrash duking it out to be the No. 3 wide receiver. It may well be that there is no competition; Thomas and Kelly could struggle just to stay on the field with any consistency -- Kelly for health reasons and Thomas for just being Thomas -- but maybe that will change for both of them in the next few months.

Kelly was drafted with this slot in mind; he was to be a big, chain-moving wide receiver who could make things happen in the red zone. Although some members of the medical staff advised against taking Kelly because of his knee issues, he was drafted and continues to have problems. He is coming off another knee surgery now and hasn't been cleared to take part in the offseason program. Getting a late start again won't help Kelly and it's difficult to imagine the knee concerns not hanging over him for a while.

Still, Kelly is a talented player. The question is whether he can become healthy enough to show off that talent on a regular basis. Pencil him in with caution at this crucial position.

Thomas was the kind of pick that, according to scouts, could either be a home run if he matured, or a strikeout. The fact that he did not show for the start of voluntary offseason work last week could cast another shadow over the kid and fuel the coaching staff's healthy skepticism. He needs to come to Redskins Park ready and eager to work all day, coming to grips with the fact that nothing he did in college matters now. He's a guy who, on pure merit and production alone last year, was not an NFL-caliber wide receiver and inspired no confidence from his teammates. He must focus on learning the playbook and route running as well as improving his work ethic and attitude.

Maybe he will turn it around. Unlike Kelly, Thomas has the power to fix his problems. If he does get on the field more often, he would not be a traditional No. 3, as Antwaan Randle El would move back to the slot. Thomas is a speed guy, an outside burner in the mold of Brandon Lloyd. He is a vertical threat to stretch things, open it up underneath, take some heat off Santana Moss as the only real deep guy on the roster.

If that fundamental element of the offense fails to materialize this season, I would expect opposing defenses to clamp down and shut out this offense, much as they did a year ago. If ithe offense consists of just Clinton Portis, Moss and Chris Cooley, this attack will likely be back in neutral.

As for James Thrash, you've got to love the guy. He's the Jason Vorhees of Ashburn. You can't get rid of him. In his mid-30s, he went from the fifth or sixth WR to the unchallenged No. 3 in 2008. Right now, he's got to be the front runner to be among the top three or four again. He can play all wide receiver spots plus tight end and H-back. He's a game blocker; he has good hands; and quarterbacks love him. His speed and raw athleticism might not be what they were and the Redskins need upgrades here, but unless last year's rookie class drastically steps up, there aren't many guys around to challenge him. And, to this point, the Skins have made no attempts to sniff around on free-agent wide receivers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  March 25, 2009; 11:12 AM ET
Categories:  Redskins by Position  
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Comments

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Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 25, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I hate posts like this....just run down the skins and offer no actual information

Great journalism...the post would do better with an above average chip....

Posted by: sources | March 25, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Not a posistion I am concerned about yet. O-line and pass rush concern me more. Hopefully Thomas will grow up though.

Posted by: richr75 | March 25, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I hate posts like this....just run down the skins and offer no actual information

Great journalism...the post would do better with an above average chip....

Posted by: sources | March 25, 2009 11:23 AM

I found a lot of new information: that the docs advised against taking Kelly; that the 'Skins aren't looking for another WR; that the rest of the team is down on Devin Thomas. Maybe you knew all this stuff already.

I also agree with his being "down on the 'Skins" in this case. Kelly and Thomas have done nothing to overcome the view that they aren't going to make it in the NFL. More surgery? Skipping the off season workouts? Not good.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 25, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I agree with JLC, "If the offense consists of just Clinton Portis, Moss and Chris Cooley, this attack will likely be back in neutral."

For the life of me, write in workout clauses for your rookie WRs!!!!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully Thomas will grow up though.

Posted by: richr75 | March 25, 2009 11:25 AM

Seems more likely that Kelly will get a knee transplant. Thomas's role model seems to be Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 25, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Devon Thomas=Micheal Wastebrook

Posted by: Hank11 | March 25, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

D. Thomas didn't show up to workouts! We're f%&@ed!

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 25, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

For the life of me, write in workout clauses for your rookie WRs!!!!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 11:30 AM

The way this is usually done is to pay a bonus for participating. I don't think you can, under the CBA, compel players to participage in "voluntary" activities.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 25, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Someone thinks everyone can be upgraded save for JC17, Rock, Albright, CR22, and Cooooley.

We must have a terrible team.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

They have to bring another starting caliber WR. If the skins do acquire more picks, I wouldn't be surprised if a 5th or 6th rounder isn't used on a WR.

Posted by: TWISI | March 25, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

this dude loves talkin bad about the skins!


Devin will step his game up...you cant expect results right away with rookie receivers...as for Kelly...he needs to take a NFL hit before we really know whether his knees can hold up

Randle El will FINALLY be in the slot where he belongs


Posted by: goejibbs28 | March 25, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Thomas didn't show up for voluntary workouts because he was at Mich St Pro Day. My guess would be he already let someone (i. e. coaches) know that......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

samson

'....Maybe you think the right side is easier on the body than the left side (Samuels switching sides)?'


Left side tackles get more pass protection work as most defenses blitz and have their athletic de to that side, right side tackles are generally drive blocking against slb or de's and aren't exposed athletically as much.

That's why left side tackles are at a premium in the draft. If you think Jansen looked bad in pass protection from the right side, switch him to the left and see what the difference is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Whatever. I guess I should have said, 'Devin Thomas really should be in Ashburn, lifting weights, running routes & catching passes.

No clauses, no money, no nonsense.

Maybe the next time they work a contract for a rookie WR, they will add a workout bonus.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

So our best WR outside of MOss is Thrash?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder) alert! MPD alert! Someone get this dude back on his meds, stat!

Posted by: AntonChigurh"

Not MPD, just realizing it ain't one or the other. Zorn didn't call great plays, and Thomas definitely didn't play to a satisfactory #3 caliber receiver.

Posted by: psps23 | March 25, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

hasn't it been reported that Thomas has been at the park, working out, as well as davis??

Oh well...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 25, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the next time they work a contract for a rookie WR, they will add a workout bonus.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 11:38 AM

Why do you think there isn't a workout bonus in Thomas's contract?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 25, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Number 3? Who is number 2? ARE isn't even a good 4. We only have one legit WO and that is Moss. He's getting up there in age so I guess we are back to square one. It's a house of cards, my friends... A house that Snyder built. By the way, all of our division foes have at least 10 draft picks this year. How many do the skins have and what do we have to show for the pick trades? Snyder and Cerrato should be traded.... to the MLS.

Posted by: skinfannomore | March 25, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Thomas is at Redskins park. They had a clip of him playing catch with Campbell last night.

Posted by: siris | March 25, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

it's The Return of da big DON GOTTA

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 25, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

you can tell we are not used to our skins drafting players....be patient, you have to give players a chance to develop!!! Building thru the draft takes time

We dont really know what exactly is going on with Devins progress,all we hear is what this d@%#@bag JLC feeds us,the media is the worst thing to ever happen to the NFL

Stay loyal all y'all real skins fans!

Posted by: goejibbs28 | March 25, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Jason

'.....As for James Thrash, you've got to love the guy....'


I'd rather save my love for my sister.

Let's cut to the quick: Thrash really isn't a third receiver. Special teams? I'd use a young drafted/free agent linebacker/corner and get a better, faster guy.

Let's sneak in Torrie Holt and use his knowledge and craftiness where Thrash's 'real redskin character issues' fail when you need a guy to get open underneath or opposite Moss/Cooley.

Thrash is a luxury 'character' player from the days of St Joe. And given our recent state of impoverished offense, we can no longer afford the guy. Perhaps he should coach.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

hasn't it been reported that Thomas has been at the park, working out, as well as davis??

Oh well...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 25, 2009 11:40 AM

Yes he was at Redskins park BEFORE the start of voluntary workouts actuallly. The week before for sure......

Redskins Nation does a good job of of setting the record straight of players 'The Sourcer' and the Post have called out. It's pretty hilarious. Larry Michaels is 'this' close to bringing back out the source meter..........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the next time they work a contract for a rookie WR, they will add a workout bonus.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 11:38 AM

Why do you think there isn't a workout bonus in Thomas's contract?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 25, 2009 11:40 AM

Well, to say there isn't a workout clause because of money would be naive. We know that there's money, but IDK why? Workout clauses are usually for veteran players, team leaders, guys that the coaching staff really want to be in Ashburn, participating in offseason workouts, building comradery?

I hope Thomas turns out to be one of those guys for us.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

The training camp competition will be over the #2 WR and not #3. Randle El has nailed down the #3 spot. Kelly and Thomas will be battling for the #2 WR.

Thrash should be cut this year and replaced with a younger special team player. The Skins could use his salary either for another depth player or a veteran WR if Thomas and Kelly don't pan out.

Posted by: siris | March 25, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

They do not need Holt. Since we cant make a move for Boldin or Edwards they just need to let the sophs play and get their lumps. Every one knew Thomas was extremely raw coming out of Mich St. and Kelly was injury prone, so why is everyone seemed outraged at both situations. Maybe DJ Hackett comes to us at a vet minimum, but other than that we are stuck with what we have.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 25, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like La Confora does not picture
Kelly & Thomas in a positive light. If that
the case, I would suggest the skins,
consider signing WR-Torry Holt, at least
he is an intelligent player & route runner.
May have few years on his body to continure
to play.

Posted by: madalao | March 25, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas #2, Randle El #3...I hope

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Mike Vick Is Out Of Jail
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2009, 11:55 a.m.
Falcons quarterback Mike Vick has been released from prison.

According to WSB-TV, Vick currently is making the trip to Virginia, where he’ll serve the rest of his prison term on home confinement.

Vick was supposed to finish his time in federal custody in a halfway house, but due to space limitations he’ll get to stay in his home.

Vick is due to be released from federal custody on July 20. At that point, he’ll presumably apply for reinstatement to the NFL.

He was sentenced to 23 months after pleading guilty in 2007 to federal conspiracy charges relating to gambling and dogfighting. He also pleaded guilty last year to dogfighting charges under Virginia law, which entailed no additional jail time and which paved the way for his release from prison.

Under federal law, a player can’t serve the balance of a prison term outside of prison if there are pending criminal charges against him.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Same ol same ol from JLC. If I am not mistaken the kid was at the workout. It will be silly to give up on the kid after just one year. I suggest you take a look at some of the great players that wasn't so great their first year. Not saying that Thomas will be great but you have to give him more than one year.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 25, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Funny, last night on redskins nation Larry Michaels had video from yesterday of Thomas running routes with Jason Campbell throwing to him. It is funny that you pound on Thomas and he is actually working on getting better. High quality reporting as usual JLC hahaha.

Posted by: goin2shock | March 25, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Can we get DHall to convince Vinny and Danny to pick up Vick?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Go to Snyder.Com then..uh I mean Redskins.Com. JLAC isnt a Skins "Homer-reporter"..he is a Journalist.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
...the post would do better with an above average ....

Posted by: sources | March 25, 2009 11:23 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 25, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like La Confora does not picture
Kelly & Thomas in a positive light. If that
the case, I would suggest the skins,
consider signing WR-Torry Holt, at least
he is an intelligent player & route runner.
May have few years on his body to continure
to play.

Posted by: madalao | March 25, 2009 11:52 AM |

Please, who gives a sh!t if JLC sees these guys in a positive light, he is a Skins hater.

JLC is not a football expert, he is stating an opinion just like the rest of us.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 25, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with Thrash at #3 if he gives us the best chance to win, but I think we need SPEED on the field.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully either Thomas or Kelly emerges as a legit option in the passing game, but I think we're missing a major problem with our wideouts...they can't block.


The O-line collapsed in the second half of the year...that's a fact, but what's also a fact is that we have some of the weakest blocking wideouts in the league. I'm not bashing the size and strength of ARE and Moss...it's more of a technical/desire problem.

Clinton, who God help us is starting to slow down, can't break anything beyond thirty because he is being 'angled' by corners...or slowed to the point where the pursuit backers nab him.

Look at the receivers Zorn had in Seattle. Drunks and no names for the most part, but those guys could block...otherwise a 'no-contact' runner like Alexander never would've had an MVP season.

Posted by: Angelonourshoulders | March 25, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

No on Vick
No on Holt

With ?'s about Thomas and Kelly, Davis could emerge as the contributer in the passing attack that we need. While providing help on the O-line.

If Kelly can get healthy, because now he has the best surgeons and trainers, he can run routes and GETS IT

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree with everything in JLC's post. No new information, but it satisfies my daily hunger for 'Skins stuff.

I'd like to explore the Redskins' medical staff a little more, since they apparently signed off on Kelly's knee while other teams were scared off. Are there any metrics by which team medical staff's are compared? I never hear anything about our medical staff save for the obligatory Bubby Tyer mention a couple times per season, but I think that guy recently retired from a FO job.

Posted by: TBDog | March 25, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

What a joke this organization is. Spend 1 year 'building' through the draft only two waste 3 2nd round picks on COMPLETE BUMS. Now its back to the original plan of overspending for old guys who made their career elsewhere. The redskins are a complete embarrassment.

Posted by: nford2 | March 25, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

scrap the west coast. Put ARE, CP and Betts in the backfield. Wishbone, baby. Now we're talking!

Posted by: perspective6 | March 25, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Thomas and Davis made some good blocks last year, they clearly LIKE contact

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"What a joke this organization is. Spend 1 year 'building' through the draft only two waste 3 2nd round picks on COMPLETE BUMS."

It is wayyyyy too early to tell if they're all "COMPLETE BUMS". Building through the draft requires patience.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 25, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight:

We drafted one WR who is a good character guy but a physical risk, and let's see he hasn't (and you have to believe won't) pan out. We drafted a 2nd WR who is a good physical guy but has a terrible attitude and he has been a huge disappointment. Oh and we drafted a TE with both questionable physical gifts and character.

HOW DOES VINNY STILL HAVE A JOB??????? If any person anywhere performed as poorly as he does with every bonehead decision there's no question they get canned, yet this clown keeps his spot. What a joke.

Posted by: nford2 | March 25, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to explore the Redskins' medical staff a little more, since they apparently signed off on Kelly's knee while other teams were scared off.

Posted by: TBDog | March 25, 2009 12:06 PM

Are you sure the medical staff signed off? This is what Jasno wrote "Although some members of the medical staff advised against taking Kelly because of his knee issues, he was drafted and continues to have problems." I'm thinking that Vinnie and Dan overruled or ignored the medical staff.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 25, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"It is wayyyyy too early to tell if they're all "COMPLETE BUMS". Building through the draft requires patience."

I'd agree with you it might be a little too early but you have to admit with everything they've shown they are on the fast track to Bumville and the future does not look bright.

Posted by: nford2 | March 25, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

This just in...

"AIG's Financial Products Division is looking for an Exec that displays the high standards of their brand."

Welcome to AIG Vincent Cerrato!

Posted by: Angelonourshoulders | March 25, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

excerpt-The redskins are a complete embarrassment.

Posted by: nford2

Speak for yourself, if that's how you fell what are you doing HERE?!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

For the record he did write that he wasn't around at the start of the workouts....reading helps here people....

If your not worried about Devin Thomas you have ice water for veins...

And he doesnt equal Westbrook yet considering westbrook had a number of productive seasons.....

I still really don't like the WR core of this team...I think a vet min type Toomer dude would be a big addition.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 25, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

nford2 - not to nit pick but I don't remember anyone questioning Fred Davis' physical tools...unless you count narcolepsy.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 25, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

HOW DOES VINNY STILL HAVE A JOB??????? If any person anywhere performed as poorly as he does with every bonehead decision there's no question they get canned, yet this clown keeps his spot. What a joke.

Posted by: nford2 |

Don't let your boss see this

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

...We are doing a blog upgrade.

Posted by: CindyBoren | March 25, 2009 11:08 AM

Does this mean you're finally getting rid of that "Sorcerer/#$%^&bag/makes everything up/nobody at the Park talks to him/has no sources/hates the Redskins/isn't a real reporter/wouldn't know journalism if it bit him on the backside/why doesn't he like this team, oh why why why woe is me/knows nothing about football/did I leave anything out beat reporter?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 25, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

After reading the entire post I still don't have a better understanding of which receiver is most likely to win the third spot...

Posted by: hender_22 | March 25, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Why would JLC report that D. Thomas did not show up for workouts, when he did. How could he miss that, I thought this was Redskins insider???

Posted by: gre28man72 | March 25, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Almost wish we had Rod Gardner back to play no 3. Almost.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

For the record he did write that he wasn't around at the start of the workouts....reading helps here people....

If your not worried about Devin Thomas you have ice water for veins...

And he doesnt equal Westbrook yet
Posted by: chrislarry | March 25, 2009 12:17 PM

What he should have reported was that DThomas was working out at Skins Park before the voluntary sessions began and has been working out there currently and not just leave it at DThomas was not here for the start of Voluntary workouts. The way he said it makes one think that DThomas is not trying.

As some have stated DThomas was picked knowing how raw a talent he was. Even without ice water in my veins, I am not concerned about DThomas. My belief is that he will show measurable improvement this year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 25, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator, I'm not sure of anything. I assumed that Vinny and Danny would have the buy-in of at least some of the medical staff before going way out on a limb and pulling the trigger on Kelly. I assume that the medical staff gives a collective grade on injury-prone players going into the draft and that there were experts on both sides of the fence with Kelly that was reflected in the grade. Whether some on the medical staff leaked their concerns to the media either before the draft to drive down Kelly's value or after the draft to cover their A$$es, I don't know.

Posted by: TBDog | March 25, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"excerpt-The redskins are a complete embarrassment.

Posted by: nford2

Speak for yourself, if that's how you fell what are you doing HERE?!"

I'm a die hard skins fan. I have been all my life. But it pisses me off to no end to be reminded of the overall incompetency this organization has shown, and continues to show, every season and offseason. There seems to be no attempt to alter the off season stupidity (besides last years draft disaster) or adapt to strategies other teams have used to build a winning franchise.

Look, I have as much pride in this team than anyone I know but I can't just see what this front office does and look the other way. We have two of the worst possible people the two most important positions, and unless serious change is brought about, it's going to be the same old skins.

Posted by: nford2 | March 25, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

After reading the entire post I still don't have a better understanding of which receiver is most likely to win the third spot...

Posted by: hender_22 | March 25, 2009 12:22 PM

Come on. You're not even trying. This is what he wrote:

"Still, Kelly is a talented player. The question is whether he can become healthy enough to show off that talent on a regular basis. Pencil him in with caution at this crucial position."

What part of "pencil him in" eluded you?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 25, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

For the record he did write that he wasn't around at the start of the workouts....reading helps here people....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 25, 2009 12:17 PM

=========================

He then procedded to ridicule him for not being at Redskins Park for those 1st 3 days of voluntary workouts.

We read and we added.

We added he was there the week before and he's there this week. All of which is verified fact (actual video of him practicing).

The post is an example of using selective facts...

Why ridicule and pigeon hole him for not coming in the 1st 3 voluntary days when he came in before voluntary workouts started and he's there this week as well?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"nford2 - not to nit pick but I don't remember anyone questioning Fred Davis' physical tools...unless you count narcolepsy."

I don't either at the time of the draft, but did you watch him play this year? He looked like he was in two feet of water. That alone is enough for me to put him in the category of "questionable" physical skills.

Posted by: nford2 | March 25, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean you're finally getting rid of that "Sorcerer/#$%^&bag/makes everything up/nobody at the Park talks to him/has no sources/hates the Redskins/isn't a real reporter/wouldn't know journalism if it bit him on the backside/why doesn't he like this team, oh why why why woe is me/knows nothing about football/did I leave anything out beat reporter?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 25, 2009 12:19 PM

You forgot scruffy looking nerf herder.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 25, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator, I'm not sure of anything. I assumed that Vinny and Danny would have the buy-in of at least some of the medical staff before going way out on a limb and pulling the trigger on Kelly. I assume that the medical staff gives a collective grade on injury-prone players going into the draft and that there were experts on both sides of the fence with Kelly that was reflected in the grade. Whether some on the medical staff leaked their concerns to the media either before the draft to drive down Kelly's value or after the draft to cover their A$$es, I don't know.

Posted by: TBDog | March 25, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

My sources tell me that Kelly was given a clean bill of health by Dr Leo Spaceman.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 25, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Vinny C doesn't care 100% what the medical staff says, or who they mark with caution. No one is on Vinny's frequency. I bet he car hear an angel whisper.

From redskins.com 12.21.08,On wide receiver Malcolm Kelly and his injury history:

I think this: I think if he is healthy and on the field, I think we saw in training camp that he can be an outstanding player. I don't think there are any ifs, ands, or buts about that. He can get his knee checked out, let [Dr.] James Andrews take another look at it, and see, but he felt good the last month, so it'll be something that we'll probably have to monitor, but he hasn't had a problem with it in a month and hopefully [he won’t] have another issue with it. I remember back when Curtis Martin came out, he was hurt every year at Pitt, hurt all the time. Then he came into the league and then never had another injury.”

Was Curtis Martin an angel?
No to Toomer! don't want no stiken washed up G-MEN!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean you're finally getting rid of that "Sorcerer/#$%^&bag/makes everything up/nobody at the Park talks to him/has no sources/hates the Redskins/isn't a real reporter/wouldn't know journalism if it bit him on the backside/why doesn't he like this team, oh why why why woe is me/knows nothing about football/did I leave anything out beat reporter?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 25, 2009 12:19 PM

somebody just watched 'Do the right thing'.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 25, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Since everyone behind moss is so unreliable I say we bring in Holt or Harrison for the minimum this year and some garaunteed money next in the uncapped year. That way if they are done (which I think Harrison has one more big year left and Holt several) it won't kill the team. Then these future HOFers can teach the roolies how to play and we can cut ARE next year.

Posted by: DG28 | March 25, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"Devon Thomas=Micheal Wastebrook Posted by: Hank11"

Too early to know -- we haven't even seen his left hook yet.

But the comparison isn't bad. Both were spectacular athletes. Westbrook is probably closest to Thomas in terms of physical talent. We don't have any indication that Thomas is a Westbook-style head case, however.

Interesting camp coming up in the fall.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 25, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009:

Under the heading of READING IS FUNDAMENTAL, minimum SRA comprehension required.

pabrian2003 please carefully read the above article posted by Jason.

THE ONLY DRAFT pick really worth anything from last year was the one chosen on a lark by an intern based on suggestions from scouts and coaches. And that was HORTON.

They should have drafted Sam Baker last year with the 1st round pick. Whoever decided to make last year's choices knew they would be risky with a greater chance of failure than success.

Was it the man with a framed photo of Snidely's parents on his desk or Snidely the GM of the Redskins himself.

Either way it is clear that changes in this team need to start at the top ... Cerrato and staff need to replaced with a competent team like those that Atlanta and Miami rapidly constructed last year. These must also be allowed some independence from the owner's and Cerrato's inteference.

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I am certainly not repping Westbrook but We dont have any indication that Thomas will post the numbers Westbrook did yet either....

Weird facts he had exactly 34 catches each of his first three years...

Funniest part of his wikipedia page:

Career highlights and awards

* No notable achievements

Posted by: chrislarry | March 25, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, I think they're all three -- Kelly, Thomas, and Davis -- very talented guys. Kelly just needs to be healthy. He'll never be a speed demon, but he's tough and physical going after the catch, and we really have missed that. Davis is the athlete that Cooley isn't. And Thomas is one of those physical specimens that can turn a game around. Not Larry Fitzgerald, but possibly, eventually, an Anquan Boldin.

That's a position I'd leave alone and go into camp with as is. Probably in the minority here, but then, what's different about that?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 25, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Holt is the only WR I would consider. Either sign Holt to an offer sheet or sign NOBODY!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

James Thrash still #3. Todd Yoder still #3. Fabrini/Kendall still #2,#3.

Let the intern make the picks not the serendipitous stooge.

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Since everyone behind moss is so unreliable I say we bring in Holt or Harrison for the minimum this year and some garaunteed money next in the uncapped year. That way if they are done (which I think Harrison has one more big year left and Holt several) it won't kill the team. Then these future HOFers can teach the roolies how to play and we can cut ARE next year.

Posted by: DG28 | March 25, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse


These two won't sign anywhere for the vet minimum. Harrison will retire before letting his pride bottom out and Holt will get paid decent by someone.

Posted by: will_ga | March 25, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 25, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I have to tell you it is so funny hearing the same people that bash Rogers and then jump all over his jock last year doing the same thing with Thomas, Davis, and Kelly. One would think you would have learned to give a player more than just one year.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 25, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry: "THE ONLY DRAFT pick really worth anything from last year was the one chosen on a lark by an intern based on suggestions from scouts and coaches. And that was HORTON. They should have drafted Sam Baker last year with the 1st round pick. Whoever decided to make last year's choices knew they would be risky with a greater chance of failure than success."

I just can't agree with this. Too facile.

Horton was rated below the draft line by most scouts. One comment: "he's not even the best DB on his own team." The Skins even got some flak for taking him. Sure, it's only because they had so many choices that they drafted him at all, but still, they spent the choice and deserve the credit. I'm not at all convinced he'll be starting this season, especially against passing clubs.

Second, as the pros keep saying, and we the fans keep refusing to believe, you can't judge the draft in one year. Sam Baker had a really good start, but how do we know how well he'll play this coming season? He certainly had a down performance in his senior year at USC. We haven't seen enough of him to know which year was the fluke.

We're always accusing the Skins' owner and front office of impatience and poor judgment, but is our any better? We give up on players too easily. Look for scapegoats when none are needed.

Of course, we're not getting paid for the decisions, to which I say, Thank God, because that would be worse than those guys in the credit defaults swap department at AIG.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 25, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Samson I didn't make that statement.....learn to read better and copy and paste better...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 25, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Well, I think they're all three -- Kelly, Thomas, and Davis -- very talented guys. Kelly just needs to be healthy. He'll never be a speed demon, but he's tough and physical going after the catch, and we really have missed that. Davis is the athlete that Cooley isn't. And Thomas is one of those physical specimens that can turn a game around. Not Larry Fitzgerald, but possibly, eventually, an Anquan Boldin.

That's a position I'd leave alone and go into camp with as is. Probably in the minority here, but then, what's different about that?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 25, 2009 12:53 PM

So Kelley is a solid possession receiver, let's say Keyshawn Johnson. Fred Davis is Chris Cooley with physical gifts so maybe he's Antonio Gates/Tony Gonzalez. And Devin Thomas is Anquan Boldin.

Right- and the Skins are your 2009 NFC EAST Champs.

Posted by: nford2 | March 25, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I thought Thrash was going to retire after last year. Why is he still on the roster? He is worthless as a WR. He couldn't get open if the other team forgot he was there. As long as he is lining up at 3, Moss will be doubled.

Yeah, yeah, he's a special teams wiz, a great guy in the locker room and a model citizen. We don't have the luxury of carrying WR's that can't contribute to the O.

IMO, special teams is a place where developmental players get to earn their keep by breaking heads while they learn to play pro ball, not a refuge for worn out WR's whose best years are way behind them. That's where depth, built through a draft happens. At least Rocky C is a serviceable runnning back.

It's time for Thrash to stop taking up a roster spot (and 850k of Cap space). If you have been in the league for more than 4 years, you need to make it happen at your position, not as a ST guy. We can afford ONE of those guys (unless you are a kicker or snapper), so we should choose between Rock and Thrash.

Youth, speed and power for Special Team's!

Posted by: edvar | March 25, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"He's a game blocker; he has good hands; and quarterbacks love him. His speed and raw athleticism might not be what they were and the Redskins need upgrades here, but unless last year's rookie class drastically steps up, there aren't many guys around to challenge him."

He had 81 yards last SEASON .... EIGHTY ONE .... I mean Torry Holt jumps out but really.... there are frisbee dogs out there that could put up better numbers at this point.

Posted by: mac2j | March 25, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

What a stupid, spiteful post as usual. Thomas is currently working out with JC at Redskins park. I expect Thomas and Randle El to be a 2a and 2b this year depending on package, with both, or MK, on the field for 3 and 4 WR sets.

To call Thrash the "unchallenged No. 3 in 2008" is just patently false. By the end of the year he was splitting time with Thomas almost equally and Kelly was getting involved while healthy.

Posted by: bmd5 | March 25, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Talent_Evaluator":

JLC on Thrash..."Right now, he's got to be the front runner to be among the top three or four again."

No need to get smart with me... That was the confusing part, he basically stated each of the receivers case at being #3 without giving a clear opinion.

I agree that if Kelly is healthy, he is the best option, but it sounded to me like an awful lot on negativity in this post...I wasn't hating on JLC.

Posted by: hender_22 | March 25, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS FANS PLEASE READ THIS AS JLC IS NOT GIVING U GUYS THE REAL FACTS!

This post from JLC is all about his fued with Vinny Cerrato and JLC's goal of making Cerrato look bad. 1st off Chad Rinehart is very much in the mix at RG as Bugel was telling anybody that would listen that it really looked like a light went on for the kid towards the very end of the season. WAY TOO EARLY TO GIVE UP ON HIM DESPITE WHAT JLC TELLS U.

Now this bullsh** about Thomas not being at redskins park for the start of workouts. Maybe he missed the 1st couple of days, i'm not sure, but i know he was at redskins park at least a week before workouts as i saw him on VIDEO at redskins.com..not only was he in the gym at redskins park but he also did a great thing for a disabled fan (check out matt terl's blog on redskins.com) Also as recent as yesterday Devin Thomas is at Redskin park catching passes from Campbell. Listen i understand the fued with Vinny and god knows Vinny has made some dumb franchise hurting moves but to trash Rinehart as bad before he even plays a game and to show Thomas as a player who doesnt even care to show up for offseason workouts to fans is horrible AND damaging journalism to individual players that deserve better. Smarten up JLC.

Posted by: acm1179 | March 25, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

acm1179, I saw the same videos and read the same report about Thomas. Thomas HAS been at Redskins Park. He's been there working out for a while. He may not have been there the first part of last week, but he's been there working out before the start of workouts, and he has been there now. Now, I know that Vinny is not the sharpest knife in the drawer and has made some idiotic moves, but to use this kind of journalism, half truths, inuendos, and just plain BS, to propituate a personal fued with him is really reprehensable. Mr. LaCanfora, I used to have an immense amount of respect for you, but due to the constant negativity and venom that you spew forth from this forum, almost on a daily basis, that respect has evaperated almost to the point of contempt now. The only reason I still come here is because of the high regard in which I hold 99.9% of the bloggers here. They are knowledgeable, informed, and intelligent (well, most of you guys, anyway..lol). They may show a lustful dislike for Vinny and Danny at times, but it's done out of a passion and a love for the Redskins, their team, not out of a personal feud...that is the worst possible reason to use your position as you do.

Posted by: guitarman050 | March 25, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Guitarman and ACM, they were two excellent posts! Too bad Cindy never choses to respond to these posts!

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 25, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Number 3? Who is number 2? ARE isn't even a good 4.

Posted by: skinfannomore
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Ding ding ding, give the guy a cigar. ARE stinks. Without some drastic changes to the WR corps we're in for more of the same. Unfortunately we have no picks, cap money, or trade talent to do anything.

Posted by: kone | March 26, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Number 3? Who is number 2? ARE isn't even a good 4.

Posted by: skinfannomore
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Ding ding ding, give the guy a cigar. ARE stinks. Without some drastic changes to the WR corps we're in for more of the same. Unfortunately we have no picks, cap money, or trade talent to do anything.

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You'd even have a good argument over whether Moss is a #1!

Posted by: kone | March 26, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

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