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Position Battle: Punter

There is no incumbent at this position, which tells you all you really need to know about the Redskins' punting game the last five years or so. Since Tom Tupa injured his back while warming up for an exhibition game before the 2005 season, there's been some disarray at this spot.

Derrick Frost got a few seasons in which to prove he was not up to the task; it took about a month for draft pick Durant Brooks to show he was not going to last very long here; and Ryan Plackemeier's half-season stint got him released.

So the Redskins enter camp with two unknown quantities slugging it out to be the punter, and I get the distinct feeling that neither will end up being the long-term solution. Not sure either gets through a season.

Zac Atterbery is the upstart of the two. He has no real pro experience, spending some time with the Bears last year as an un-drafted free agent. He went to Lindenwood University (where I'm guessing he never faced the kind of pressure-packed situation common every Sunday in the NFL) and, by all accounts, has a strong leg. Whether that translates to success on Sundays remains to be seen and developing consistency dooms many a young punter or kicker. This kid lost out to Plackemeier, a more experienced punter, during his tryout with the Skins last November.

I'd have to give the edge to veteran Dirk Johnson, all things being equal (the opposite of the scenario last summer, when it seemed clear to many on the team that the Redskins were going to keep Brooks, a rookie draft pick, over Frost unless the kid couldn't stand upright). I think Johnson will have to be dropping snaps and shanking punts straight to the sidelines not to at least leave camp with the job.

He has seven years experience and has actually held down a punting job for a legitimate period of time (he spent 2003-2006 with the Eagles). The caveat, of course, is that he hasn't punted a full season in the NFL since then. It's hard to imagine this guy sitting at the very bottom of the league in most categories - as the Skins' punting game did in 2008 - so there's no place to go but up.

He has been around the league since 1998 and seen his share of tryouts and punter competitions. Maybe the leg is tired or something, and age catches up a bit, but pro punters can often deliver into their 40s, and, based on credentials, I this this job is his to lose.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 7, 2009; 9:37 AM ET
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Comments

Our punters are awful. Always. Can;t believe i wasted my time reading this

Posted by: 428Maverick | April 7, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Why can Dan just give David Beckham a 12yr contract worth 50 million to kick for the skins?

Posted by: jrenn2114 | April 7, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

To quote Bart Simpson and Cerrato...
"I like punters."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 7, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, how long can we talk about kickers and punters? Important for a football team, yes, fun to talk about, NO. Back to the draft. Thats where the intrigue is.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Agree w/ FedorEm..lets talk Draft..

Trade down the 13th pick to a lower 1st and a high 2nd and grab two baby Hogs. I think we're set for Defense.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 7, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

We don't need to review punters.

How about a discussion about punt returners?

ARE should be fired from the job of returning punts.

Moss's return for a TD in the lions' game should have been a signal to the team that ARE's constant fair-catching against twenty yards of open space disqualified him from ever having the job again.

Let D Thomas or one of the midget speed guys they brought in return punts.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

hard hitting stuff...way to go JLC

Posted by: jonthefisherman | April 7, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Moss's return for a TD in the lions' game should have been a signal to the team that ARE's constant fair-catching against twenty yards of open space disqualified him from ever having the job again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 10:04 AM

Agreed...however, fair catches weren't the problem. I could live with that...it was running around in circles and emulating a slide into home base after a net loss of two yards was the problem.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 7, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

A new punt returner is a must. 6.4 yards from ARE aint cutting it. I like the idea of trading back SkinsneedaGM, but with who?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Also on that Titans/Steelers playoff game I was watching, the rookie ARE was doing it all. He returned a Punt for a TD (got called back), he was averging like 20 yards per return. He had about 4 catches. 2 reverses. An incompete pass.

He looked bigger too.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, how long can we talk about kickers and punters? Important for a football team, yes, fun to talk about, NO. Back to the draft. Thats where the intrigue is.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 9:57 AM

No! I want to talk some more about Jason Campbell. Do you think he has a long term future with the Redskins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

'...Trade down the 13th pick to a lower 1st and a high 2nd...'


I like this concept only if the design is to pick up a corner and an additional low round pick for this year or next.

Jenkins or Smith might be gone. Victor Harris-VaTech, though, is a big corner at 6 feet and can play special teams. He'd be a nice late 1st round pick up.

We have three good starting corners-Rogers, Hall, Smoot--but if one guy goes down, like Rogers did in 2007-- who wants the smallish Tyron or career practice squad player Westbrook on the field?

We face some decent passing teams next year, and I think going 4 deep at the cornerback spot is very necessary.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Ravens are my most hated team after our division foes but I had to grudgingly give them props for how successful they were last year because of three things, obviously their execptional defense and good running game but also their excellent special teams. I remember our punting and kicking cost us several points a game with bad field position and contributed clearly to two loses. Tells you how close teams are in this league that even with a average QB, Flacco last year or big Ben's first year, you can make a run if others parts of the team are cranking.

Posted by: gatsu | April 7, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Also on that Titans/Steelers playoff game I was watching, the rookie ARE was doing it all. He returned a Punt for a TD (got called back), he was averging like 20 yards per return. He had about 4 catches. 2 reverses. An incompete pass.

He looked bigger too.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 10:13 AM

He was also playing for an organization that knew how to use him...it would have taken a rash of injuries at WR for him to start on that Steelers team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 7, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

It is unreal that we do not have an effective punt return game. Football, as it seems every fan realizes, is a game of momentum where one big play can really turn around a game (or even a season...look back to Lavar's pick against the panthers when we were 0-5)...the real kicker is that it's not like we don't have the personnel to have not only a good return game, but potentially the best return game in the league...I just don't buy the fact that you are trying to "protect" starters by not having them return punts...Santana Moss and D-Hall are two of the quickest, fastest, most elusive players in the entire league...what is the freaking problem?

Posted by: justlovesports | April 7, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

No! I want to talk some more about Jason Campbell. Do you think he has a long term future with the Redskins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse


I honestly don't know. I am on the fence, taking a wait and see approach. I think he could benefit from a better line, more bootlegs, designed qb draws. But I also think he eyes his main read and is predictable. I want him to be good believe me, but you don't always get what you want.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I think we should give Jason Campbell a shot back there. That would add a dual-threat to throw or kick. Teams would have to be ready.

Posted by: jgr007 | April 7, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I am checking my computer every 15 minutes for the next blog:
POSITION BATTLE: LONG-SNAPPER

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 7, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

'...I want to talk some more about Jason Campbell. Do you think he has a long term future with the Redskins?'

It depends on the kind of future the team wants.

We've been wallowing in offensive philosophy since Norv left.

Are we a run-first, pass later team?

Are we a pass-first, run later team?

I don't believe even Zorn knows the answers to those questions which is why forcing the issue with more ball-catchers and better blockers is the only way out.

Zorn should state to the offense that it must become more productive via the air. And if in J Campbell's contract year he proves he can't lead the change in that direction, he should be sent packing.

That's the only way the question about his ability will get resolved: put it all on his--Campbell's-- shoulders and let him show us what he's got.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Frost could tackle, hold and throw. Nyaaaaa!


maps.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 7, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Dirk Johnson's numbers for the Cardinals last season before he was cut were almost identical to Plackemeier's.

This is a case of trading one pretzel for another just for change sake.

There is no upgrade here in the offing unless Johnson somehow recaptures the form he showed in 2003 and 2004 in Philadelphia where his stats were very good.

When was the last time the Redskins front office managed to get a 33 year old vet and then have him produce a career year for OUR team?

Posted by: leopard09 | April 7, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Trade down the 13th pick to a lower 1st and a high 2nd and grab two baby Hogs. I think we're set for Defense.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM |

No chance we get that value out of #13. We'd be lucky to get 2 2nds, even a 2nd and a high 3rd in this draft. I don't care what any 'draft value chart' says, its not gonna happen.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 7, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I am always hopeful going into a new season. I will be this year as well. But if JC17 has another so so year, he has to know he is out. I think creativity in the redzone is important. Zorn needs to get us in there. Playcalling was suspect in some situations last year.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Santana Moss and D-Hall are two of the quickest, fastest, most elusive players in the entire league...what is the freaking problem?

Posted by: justlovesports | April 7, 2009 10:24 AM

The problem is those two are the most important players at their respective positions. Most coaches won't risk their best players to injury on punt returns when you can get other guys further down the depth chart to do it. And despite the potential, players have a tendency to underperform on returns to preserve themselves for the regular offensive/defensive sets (see Hester, Devin). There's enough other guys to turn to that you don't have to go to Hall or Moss.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 7, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

ryp, I'd take either of those offers....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 7, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

When was the last time the Redskins front office managed to get a 33 year old vet and then have him produce a career year for OUR team?

Posted by: leopard09 | April 7, 2009 10:34 AM

Tom Tupa, 2004. Dude was even older than 33.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 7, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

hey Moe have fun representing Lil Wayne, dude sold out and fell of harder than 50 Cent almost

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"No! I want to talk some more about Jason Campbell. Do you think he has a long term future with the Redskins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Be careful what you ask for, even in a sarcastic, joking manner.

To quote Lewis Black: "And if they keep talking, I throw it just over their heads."

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Trade down the 13th pick to a lower 1st and a high 2nd and grab two baby Hogs. I think we're set for Defense.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM |

No chance we get that value out of #13. We'd be lucky to get 2 2nds, even a 2nd and a high 3rd in this draft. I don't care what any 'draft value chart' says, its not gonna happen.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 7, 2009 10:35 AM

++++++++++++++++++++
ryp..you're probably right.. had baseball on the mind.. Heading out today to see a team run by a professional management organization oup here in NE.

There's a thought.. trade Skins mgmt for Red Sox mgmt. Epstein would probably get the Skins into the 2011 Super Bowl.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 7, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I think it's pretty obvious Devin Thomas should get a shot at punt returns.


Or Justin Tryon, or DHall. Hell, I'd take Chris Cooley over ARE!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

A lot hinges on 11 and 12 steppin up this season. ARE IS NOT a starting WR. He is a 3rd or 4th slot guy and should not EVER be lined up outside. He is just too small. If the young WR's can take his spot, he might be a more effective return guy. They might as well try, cuz theyre stuck with him for another year at least with the ridiculous contract they gave him.

Note to 11 and 12: You get paid big bucks to play a game. LEARN THE F*&^%$ PLAYBOOK!!!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

quick question, is it next year or the one after when we get a lot of salaries off our books with the options to free up even more on some individual players?


I'm really looking forward to that, this team ain't gonna seriously compete with what we got, we need our youngsters (Fred Davis, Malcom Kelly, Justin Tryon, Rob Jackson, Devin Thomas, Colt Brennan as backup QB, Heyer) to step up and probably some others I forgot to list.

We also need our current youngsters that are playing well to continue playing well, developing, and learning to play together. I'm thinking about our secondary which is very good but should hopefully continue getting better, Haynesworth on the DL and whoever we lineup alongside him. Our LB's need to do something. If we can find ONE young starter out of our current crop of LB's, I think we have to consider that a plus. I don't see any to be honest.

Our O, Jason Campbell, Big Sleepy and the 2 WR's need to step up, period. Our OL we really need a couple guys to come in in the next couple years to compete for and hopefully win a starting job. Heyer is really the only young guy and he's servicable at best. #13 I really think needs to go here for our future and it has to be a starter either this year or next.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

For those of you complaining about our awful punt returners, remember we signed Dominique Dorsey from the CFL and Anthony Alridge from Denver. Both are short, quick RB's that I'm sure can't do any worse than Randle El.

Posted by: RebuildingSince91 | April 7, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Note to 11 and 12: You get paid big bucks to play a game. LEARN THE F*&^%$ PLAYBOOK!!!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

That is the best thing I've heard on here today. If someone paid me that good, I would bust my a$$.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

players that will be gone or too old in 2+ years include all our RB's, most if not all of our OL, most if not all of our starting DE's, Santana Moss and ARE.

Positions that need more talent overall include really our LB's and possibly our QB('s). Another possibly is our WR's, but I think we might work it out there within two years with what we got.

We're not as bad as a lot think, our coaching staff needs to show marked improvement this year though. Last year I thought they did a poor job overall.

But we do need to start looking at young talented players. Keep #13 this year and draft an impact starter on preferably the OL. If not OL then either DL or LB, I'd prefer LB.

Then hope we can find a SOLID starter in the 3rd on one of those same three positions, OL, DL, or LB. A good CB is probably a must, I doubt Tryon is gonna catch on but I could be wrong. I think DE Rob Jackson will be a player, same with that OTHER rookie safety we had not named Horton (can't remember his name, but he played well last year and I think him and Horton can hold it down in the secondary for years to come).

RB we really need to start looking next year, if not next year then DEFINITELY the year after. Portis is on the downhill, Betts ain't much, and Rock isn't much either.


K/P, just sign a free agent, wtf.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

For those of you complaining about our awful punt returners, remember we signed Dominique Dorsey from the CFL and Anthony Alridge from Denver. Both are short, quick RB's that I'm sure can't do any worse than Randle El.

Posted by: RebuildingSince91 | April 7, 2009 10:54 AM

+++++++++++++++++++

Darrell probably still does a 4.2 40.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 7, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RebuildingSince91 | April 7, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Thats a great user name, haha! I dont see either of those guys making the roster, if they are RB's. Too many RB's on the roster to keep another one for PR duties only. They have a bunch of guys who can return punts and wont take away depth from other positions.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

2 2nds would be fine with me. 2 holes for the price of one. (giggity)

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 7, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

hey Moe have fun representing Lil Wayne, dude sold out and fell of harder than 50 Cent almost

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 10:41 AM

***Hip-Hop Freestyle***

How did he sell out? Is it him doing the rock music thing now? Kissing his "pops"? His Roger & Zapp/T-Pain singing on tracks?

Seriously I don't know how he sold out...

What's funny is that him and "Fif" have this rift now between them, but as always Lil Wayne won't diss anyone on a track that can at least challenge him lyrically.

Juvenile and B.G. don't count.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"But we do need to start looking at young talented players. Keep #13 this year and draft an impact starter on preferably the OL. If not OL then either DL or LB, I'd prefer LB"

What LB do you take with 13?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 7, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"same with that OTHER rookie safety we had not named Horton"

Kareem Moore will be better than Horton.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 7, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"Thats a great user name, haha! I dont see either of those guys making the roster, if they are RB's. Too many RB's on the roster to keep another one for PR duties only. They have a bunch of guys who can return punts and wont take away depth from other positions.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz"

I have a feeling Cartwright will be fighting for his job this offseason, similar to Renaldo Wynn, Joe Salav'ea, and Lemar Marshall from a few years ago. He's a little too old to be taking up a roster spot purely for special teams duty.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see Vinny use a late rounder on a RB, let alone let one of these two duke it out with Rock.

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I think what bothers me is that we draft Brooks( who I watched kick for Tech here in the ATL)and the guy is sent packing before his pads are rusty and then we bring in a dude who looks like a tummy tuck paitient gone wrong(Plackemier) and now we are back to square one,we are the either impaitent or overly paitient(always with the wrong player) will we ever get it right?

Posted by: dargregmag | April 7, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

LH, congrats! i was rooting against roy williams. i can't believe msu beat ucon...that woulda been a much better game.

also go terps!!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/06/AR2009040603581.html?nav=hcmodule

to me this makes total sense! when you were 18 did you want to watch a safe sex video? NO!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 7, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Best Hot Boyz Rappers:

1. B.G.
2. Juvenille
3. Wayne
4. Turk

It's 4th ba-bay...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Truth

'....hey Moe have fun representing Lil Wayne, dude sold out...'


Sellout?: since when has making money ever been a negative thing?

Me: I'd do a rap collabo with the Jonas Bruthas and Hannah Montana if a check was involved.

Let your boss ask you to work for your "luv of the game" and see what happens.

Actually, I'm more of a Common/Kanye West pre-808s fan.

I've gotten tired of listening to the same ol' same ol' Jay-Z, Brand Nubian, Pete Rock CL Smooth, Biggie, Pac, Wu-Tang, underground 1995-2003 hip hop tracks.

I used Wayne as it was the quickest joke reference.

I'm so sorry to disappoint, Mr. Officer.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, how long can we talk about kickers and punters? Important for a football team, yes, fun to talk about, NO. Back to the draft. Thats where the intrigue is.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 9:57 AM

Okay, in what round do you think the Redskins will select a punter?

Posted by: TheCork | April 7, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

psps23

'...Cartwright will be fighting for his job this offseason...'


And he shouldn't be.

James Thrash is the team deadweight--I could turn into sports_guru and hate on that guy.

Thrash is as played as fade haircuts and James Brown records.

If the skins make a 'draft mistake' and take a receiver, let it be Crabtree/Harvin/Maclin: any of them would make fourth receiver candidates over the 'character guy'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Moe - Lil Wayne skills have fallen off because of drugs. Taking Xtacy, coke, and drugs I don't know about every day for over 4/5 years has that effect on people.

Every verse sounds the same.

4thFloor baby, please say the baby. (That's on every song he does)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

A couple roster spots can be devoted to special teams and Rock can definitely get one of those, IMO.

Posted by: smutsboy | April 7, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I've gotten tired of listening to the same ol' same ol' Jay-Z, Brand Nubian, Pete Rock CL Smooth, Biggie, Pac, Wu-Tang, underground 1995-2003 hip hop tracks.

.............

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 11:26 AM

I hope you realize those were the golden years.

Just like older peeps always play those 70s classics, those 90s raps will out live anything being put out today.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Okay, in what round do you think the Redskins will select a punter?

Posted by: TheCork | April 7, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

They won't make that mistake again. Or will they?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Just like older peeps always play those 70s classics, those 90s raps will out live anything being put out today.......

Posted by: 4thFloor

No question about it. Eric B & Rahkim. Pain N Full was straight heat

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 7, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I have a feeling Cartwright will be fighting for his job this offseason, similar to Renaldo Wynn, Joe Salav'ea, and Lemar Marshall from a few years ago. He's a little too old to be taking up a roster spot purely for special teams duty.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see Vinny use a late rounder on a RB, let alone let one of these two duke it out with Rock.

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

PSPS23, do we know when Rocks contract runs out? I would also look for the Skins to upgrade at RB in the next year or 2. And Rock is a "core redskin" but you have to bring something more to the table. He ony returns kicks. Cant catch punts I suppose is why he doesnt do PR's. He doesnt add anything to the HB mix with the offense. The skins are in need of a young, quick, RB with upside. And I see Rock as taking away from that. I mean, KR is important, special teams is 1/3 of the game, but just like PRers, there are plenty of guys on the roster who can do KR's. Dont draft a RB this draft, there are too many other positions of need. Anyways, a rookie RB (who will probably be a late rounder if they take one) will have slim to no chance of making the roster with CP, LB and RC entrenched. I say draft a RB next year.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Moe, couldn't agree more with doing collabos with any and everyone. It isn't like he renounced hip-hop.

Props to Wayne for finally doing what so m any other artist are afraid to do in fear of losing "street cred".

Which many have fabricated anyway.


Just ask any of the "street" artist (ex: The Lox), exactly how far does being street friendly get you in the music industry?

BTW, The LOX, one of the most underrated groups of all-time in hip-hop, if not the.

Moe, if you know about the underground/mixtapes from '95-'03 then you definitely know about The LOX.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

4th, I think your last statement just kinda proved that it's more who the listener is versus the music. While I tend to agree on the rap point, it's all relative. Kids today, they rarely have a true appreciation for Zeppelin, Stones, Beatles, etc. I hope you're right but somewhat pessimistic

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 7, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Yes!! Another kicker/punter post. i love these next it will be the holder battle or who will fetch the tee after kickoff battle!!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 7, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

4th, you forgot the 'F'...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Every verse sounds the same.

4thFloor baby, please say the baby. (That's on every song he does)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Only the verse sounds the same? I didnt know rappers even knew what verse/chorus/bridge meant... wow. Ya learn something everyday.
Anyone listen to metal on here?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

JLC bringing the heavy lumber. Slow day guess.

For the record, I hope Johnson wins just so we can have a guy named Dirk on our squad.

Where is Nate, Sween, etc? We need stir some levity and wit into this stale brew. I'm calling you out boys - where you at??

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 7, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"A couple roster spots can be devoted to special teams and Rock can definitely get one of those, IMO.

Posted by: smutsboy"

On most teams, those players either contribute elsewhere on the field or offer some sort of future elsewhere on the field. Cartwright does neither. They opted to bring in a washed-up Shaun Alexander for a few weeks before turning to Rock as the back-up. The team already dedicates a spot to a long-snapper and nothing else. They don't need to do the same with Rock (and Thrash for that matter).

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

No chance we get that value out of #13. We'd be lucky to get 2 2nds, even a 2nd and a high 3rd in this draft. I don't care what any 'draft value chart' says, its not gonna happen.

Posted by: Rypien11

I wouldn't say NO chance, but some luck will be required. One of the studs expected to go top ten has to fall. If Raji, Sanchez, for. instance are there at 13, I'd expect someone will want him bad and fear the Skins or teams a slot or two behind them will pounce.

Otherwise the skins will likely be one and done on day one.


Posted by: TheCork | April 7, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I myself have picked up an ear for rock music... especially the classic stuff...

All my peeps think I've lost it.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Only the verse sounds the same? I didnt know rappers even knew what verse/chorus/bridge meant... wow. Ya learn something everyday.
Anyone listen to metal on here?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

That new Mastodon record is real good!

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Das EFX.
Jurassic 5.
Early Wu-tang.
Tribe
Roots
Mos Def

Thats what hip hop is all about, Charlie Brown.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 7, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

How many songs can people write about money, cars, clothes, good looking women, brand new dances I will never do, etc?

Back in the 90s, all subjects were poked and prodded. Today, it's follow the leader...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

The problem with a trade back, there are very few player positions where we can trade back when we could not use an upgrade ourselves. we don't want to trade back.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 7, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Because BECKHAM would want more money than MONEYSWORTH.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 7, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

JLC bringing the heavy lumber. Slow day guess.

For the record, I hope Johnson wins just so we can have a guy named Dirk on our squad.

Where is Nate, Sween, etc? We need to stir some levity and wit into this stale brew. I'm calling you out boys - where you at??

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 7, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"PSPS23, do we know when Rocks contract runs out?"

He has 2 years left on his deal. He'd save about $850k on the cap if he were to be cut this year.

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Who was that punter we had in the 80s that could also run like the wind??? Was it Jeff something? He and Mike Bragg are my two fav Skins punters....


As for PR people.... Who could forget Joe Theisman returning punts with that stupid facemask....

Posted by: OLDNOVA1 | April 7, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

That new Mastodon record is real good!

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I havent listened much to mastadon, I am interested in getting one of their albumns. Any suggestion where to start? Have you heard the new In Flames record, well its almost a year old now.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"Kids today, they rarely have a true appreciation for Zeppelin, Stones, Beatles, etc. I hope you're right but somewhat pessimistic"

I'm 23 and those are some of my favorite bands...but I also like The LOX.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 7, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Maby we need to sign Kaka from AC Milan...I would love to see that reporter then.

For the people who have no idea were I am talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sy-NSTgFjs&feature=related

Why did Jason not reacted that way wenn we signed Big Albert :P...lol

Posted by: wilco_nieuwehorne | April 7, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Anyone listen to metal on here?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz


Starting to, I really don't know who's hot and what's hot just yet though.

For years I only listened to the kind of music I grew up hearing, now I believe it it sounds good rock it.

I was banging some Motorhead track in my car the other day driving, I had to get at least ten double looks. Folks couldn't believe that someone of my likeness would be playing that type of music.

Rock/Metal is alright with me.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Tribe is where it's at...things go in cycles you know like how Bobby be ampin like Michael?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 7, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

If Raji, Sanchez, for. instance are there at 13, I'd expect someone will want him bad and fear the Skins or teams a slot or two behind them will pounce.

Posted by: TheCork | April 7, 2009 11:43 AM

Sanchez @13? The only way that happens is if between now and the draft he's arrested for dealing drugs, steroids, and child pornography. And even then, he won't be there at 14 because the 'Skins will take him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

MIKE BRAGG's ONLY 62. With JEFF GEORGE we could resurrect the "OVER THE HILL GANG," and mean it. Minus COY BACON and GEORGE ALLEN of course, but I hear DAVE BUTZ is finally healed up from his playing days and willing as well.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 7, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone listen to metal on here?"

I'm giving you the international metal hand symbol right now VABeach...Gojira is my band of choice...Ankla and Sepultura close behind.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 7, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Yeah a In Flames "A sense of Purpose". The new Mastodon is amazing. It's called Crack the Skye. Get it. You won't be disappointed. 7 songs on the record, but its an hour long.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Anyone listen to metal on here?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz

Tap mostly. Got "Big Bottom" on both my iPods.

Posted by: TheCork | April 7, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Starting to, I really don't know who's hot and what's hot just yet though.

Rock/Metal is alright with me.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Red, if you wana get into real heavy metal. Put down the motorhead and pick up

In Flames: A sense of Purpose

Machinehead: The Blackening

Arch Enemy: Rise of the Tyrant

Children of Bodom: Are You Dead Yet?

The metal scene today is mostly from Europe (sweden/finland). New England has a thriving scene too, Killswitch Engage, All That Remains, God Forbid to name a few.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Das EFX.
Jurassic 5.
Early Wu-tang.
Tribe
Roots
Mos Def

Thats what hip hop is all about, Charlie Brown.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 7, 2009 11:44 AM

Don't forget Common...his latest CD is LIKE THAT!

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 7, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I haven't read an original thought on Campbell since the season ended.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is actually a genetically modified form of fruitbat.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"Kids today, they rarely have a true appreciation for Zeppelin, Stones, Beatles, etc. I hope you're right but somewhat pessimistic"

I'm 23 and those are some of my favorite bands...but I also like The LOX.


Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 7, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

then you sir are a rare bird. I didn't say never, only that's the exception not the rule today. and that's fine. well unfortunate IMO, but fact is each generation likes to forge its own path. but yes, to an extent the greats transcend time/generation.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 7, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

For all the old school metal heads out there here are a few bands: Motorhead, Maiden, Priest, Overkill, Exodus, Testament, Leeway, Cro-Mags, Thin Lizzy, Sabbath, Anthrax. I could go all day.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Anyone listen to metal on here?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz

"Count Dracula" by Quartz.
"Secret of the Dance" by Gillan.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Not to put down motorhead. I got all the classic rock and 80's metal in my archive. But you can only rock that stuff for so long. Its always good to go back to it once in awhile.

Yoder, you heard Cavalera Conspiracy? Its the brothers from Sepultura's new band. Its pretty good.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Notorious,

I'll listen to anything but country. I grew up listening to the old stuff, so I have an appreciation for it.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 7, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

The more I read about Clint Sintim the more im convinced he would be the perfect fit for to shore up our LB core... It sounds like he will be there in the mid to late stages of the second round. Everything I have read talks about how great he is yet says he will be a late second rounder and then they conclude their summary by saying "he should be rated a lot higher than what I give him"..

I still would love to trade down if Smith isnt there and pick up a later first and late second. Hopefully Oher would still be on the board and if not then Britton which doesnt seem like that much of a drop off in talent and then take Sintim in the 2nd..Two immediate starters. In the 3rd take a pass rushing DE.

This makes way too much sense for vinny and danny though..we'll probably just trade up and take Sanchez.. F my life

Posted by: jeffco01 | April 7, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

VABEACH check out the Sword, Municipal Waste, Toxic Holocaust, Isis, At the Gates.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

For all the old school metal heads out there here are a few bands: Motorhead, Maiden, Priest, Overkill, Exodus, Testament, Leeway, Cro-Mags, Thin Lizzy, Sabbath, Anthrax. I could go all day.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 11:55 AM

I try to avoid the "hair farmer" bands but there are some solid ones on there. I played pinball vs. Lemmy back in the late 70s after a gig in London. Man, his wart is HUGE!!

Needless to say, he won. His minder sort of insisted... But he bought me a beer, so all was good.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Check out this chick singer from Arch Enemy. Shes absolutely gorgeous and sings screams like a demon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5fPaFAr-yM

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

thetruth: "We're not as bad as a lot think, our coaching staff needs to show marked improvement this year though. Last year I thought they did a poor job overall"

That's actually a good question: how effective was our coaching staff last season? Not an easy one to answer, either.

Most people agree Zorn was in a bit of a bind from the beginning -- hard to imagine a guy less prepared for a head coach job. He'd already been prepping for offensive coordinator. And his real expertise was QB coach, not primary coordinator. I doubt he even looked at the Skins defense until halfway through the season. It was Blache's.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 7, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

VaBeach, nope...never heard of them, but I'll be sure to check them out.

Gojira - Heaviest Matter of the Universe

that song is so heavy it can lift a Chrysler

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 7, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Lost at pool to Lemmy, thats cool. I bet that mole is hideous. I love that old guitar sound. Vintage, something unique about it.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

VABEACH check out the Sword, Municipal Waste, Toxic Holocaust, Isis, At the Gates.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 11:58 AM

Also check out the "Troublegum" and "Nurse" albums by Therapy?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

There are some good concerts coming near Va Beach soon. ALL OF WHICH I will see.

Amon Amarth
Children of Bodom/As I Lay Dying
Killswitch Engage/Lacuna Coil

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is actually a genetically modified form of fruitbat.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 11:53 AM

Now, that's original, but a made-up fantasy from a Phins Phan. And, as fantasies go, it's pretty weak.

Come back and try again, RC.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

4THfloor

'...Lil Wayne skills have fallen off because of drugs. Every verse sounds the same....'

Horrors!!!!!!!!!!

Shock!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone is accusing a very rich young guy in the music business of having his skills diminished because of drug use.

That's never happened in the history of music, entertainment, and sports.

Bro' the fact of the matter is, I ain't never been, nor have I ever been a Lil Wayne fan.

The only thing lil thing I've ever wanted was a lil bit from MissMoe: and she knows my skills have diminshed.

Wayne never had 'skills' as far as I'm concerned--I grew up on Strong Island, East Coast rap.

But right now, Wyane and that clown Flo Rida are the last rappers standing in what has become a very depressing music genre.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

NFL | Burress curses out officer during traffic stop
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ESPN.com reports free-agent WR Plaxico Burress (Giants) cursed out a police officer in Florida during a recent traffic stop, telling the cop he was going to be in trouble because Burress knew the sheriff "personally," according to the New York Post. Burress replied to each of the officer's questions and commands with an "(expletive) you" during the stop, according to police. Broward County Deputy Sheriff Donald Harris pulled Burress over March 18 for speeding on Interstate-95 near Fort Lauderdale. Harris opened the door of Burress' black 2008 Toyota Sequoia when the officer couldn't see inside the player's SUV. "(Expletive) you," Burress said. "You can't open my (expletive) door." Burress, who the police report said was driving like "he was going to kill somebody," was issued a $150 speeding citation, his fifth traffic ticket in Florida in the past month, the report said.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 7, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

VA I saw Pantera back in 99 at the Hampton Colosium. I was killing it in the pit.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Snyderatto can work some kinda deal with the NY prison system. 2 1st rounders for Plax? Maybe through JC in the NY slammer to sweeten the deal?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I love that old guitar sound. Vintage, something unique about it.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Lemmy was one of the first bass players to play chords most of the time to give them that churning sound. When you marry that with the classic era Motorhead of Eddie Clarke and Phil Taylor you get a 5-day ear-ringing headache (in my case) when you see them live. But I'd go again in a heartbeat, I just have to crank up the old hearing aid and squeeze myself back into my old jeans...

...on second thoughts maybe not the jeans, purely on grounds of good taste.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Burress, who the police report said was driving like "he was going to kill somebody," was issued a $150 speeding citation, his fifth traffic ticket in Florida in the past month, the report said.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 7, 2009 12:05 PM

Sad to see this guy blowing himself up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora

When are we getting: the next position up

REDSKINS' CLIPBOARD HOLDER Post?

Perhaps it will follow the: next position up

REDSKINS' TOWEL GUY Post.

Yes folks: it's getting down to slim pickings in this blog.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Hayes was good.

Posted by: pauluncw | April 7, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

VA I saw Pantera back in 99 at the Hampton Colosium. I was killing it in the pit.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I saw them at the Va Bch Amphitheatre back in like 01. I was supposed to see them at the Hampton Colesium but Phil Anselmo broke his arm so they canceled the show. Unfortunatley they broke up before they came around again. RIP Dimebag

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Lets turn this into a hard rock/metal forum. Screw the punter and kicker sh*t.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Come back and try again, RC.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is a cyborg 'sleeper' sent back by SkyNet to kill President Obama when he invites the Redskins to the White House after their 2011 Super Bowl win.

Better T_E?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

My bad I saw them in 98 at the Hampton Colosium. Phil is the man. Down is an awesome band. Dimes was a beast. You ever watch them Pantera home videos on DVD? Vulgar video and Volume 3. Real funny, real good.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

That new Mastodon record is real good!

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 11:44 AM

Agreed. Oblivion!

I listen to Metal. Grew up on Classic Rock. Listen to hip/hop from time to time.

Have you ever listened to Protest the Hero?

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"But right now, Wyane and that clown Flo Rida are the last rappers standing in what has become a very depressing music genre.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Jay-Z and Lupe > those two clowns

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Ever been to a Slayer show? They come to the Norva (in Norfolk next to Va Bch) from time to time. Its a small venue, but its awesome to see a good/well known band. The pitt at the slayer show was the only one Ive ever taken a look at and thought, I think Ill keep clear of that one. F#$%in nuts in there!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever listened to Protest the Hero?

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Na, never heard of them...Now I'm lost in Oblivion. 2 minute solo, best band out in Metal right now is Mastodon.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I own the Watch It Go videos.

Pantera, Tool, Lamb of God = My top three metal bands.

All That Remains is pretty good. I got to meet Oli outside of the HOB in New Orleans last year. That was cool.

I meet Lamb of God at Gigantour 08 (Opeth, LOG, Arch Enemy and Megadeth).

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever listened to Protest the Hero?

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

PTH is pretty good. Theyre singer looks like a fruitcake when he performs, but theyre pretty good.
Another band in that reminds me of PTH is The Human Abstract. ONly their 1st albumn Nocture. Its a killer metal albumn. Very different (for me at least). Amazing guitar sweeps/solos

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

samson151

"...We're not as bad as a lot think, our coaching staff needs to show marked improvement this year though...'

So you're suggesting Zorn should start in place of Campbell and that Sherm should get some carries in the red zone?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"What's funny is that him and "Fif" have this rift now between them, but as always Lil Wayne won't diss anyone on a track that can at least challenge him lyrically.

Juvenile and B.G. don't count.

Posted by: RedDMV"


Juve does and always will count.


I'm tempted to say 400 Degreez > everything Wayne has ever done, including The Carter.

Juve was THAT DUDE and I think he has a new album coming out.


and did I just see you put BG over Juve???? Come on now!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Seen Slayer like 6-7 times. 930 club in DC. Got smashed a bunch of times in their pit. I am 29 now so I gave up the ol moshin a few years back. Too old for that.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

FedorEm,

Check out Protest the Hero's album, The Fortress.

It's a myspace music link....

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I got Pantera home videos. Thats some funny sh!t.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Now, that's original, but a made-up fantasy from a Phins Phan.

Come back and try again, RC.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

People who think Jason Campbell is cool under pressure are mistaken.

In an early attempt to give their son every chance to become a successful NFL quarterback, his parents - Glen and Bat Campbell - had young Jason's 'appassionata oblongata' (his passion gland) removed.

While this has succeeded in getting Jason all the way to a starting job in the NFL, he has paid a terrible price, as he is no longer able to cry when viewing pictures of kittens playing in the snow, watching old episodes of '30 something', or listening to 'Honey' by Bobby Goldsboro.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

also what's the status of Leftwich?

I'd love that signing, I've been a fan since he played on a broken leg at Marshall his senior year. GUTS baby, that's a player I want on my team!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I will check PTH out. Don't sleep on The Sword. That band is money.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Please, when talking hip-hop or even rap, don't include Flo-Rida.

If he represents the type of hip hop preferred down there in the 305 then Go-Go needs to step it up and rep big time.

And I don't even like Go-Go, but it's got to be better than: "I'm like the pizza man all about cheese..."

Disgusting. I, and many others could come up with that line.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Slayer?!

I hate Kerry King.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I saw In Flames last december at the Norva in Norfolk. All that Remains was going to open but the singer blew out his voice and they dropped off the tour. Ive seen them at Ozzfest before. Theyre new albumn is pretty good. Im 29 and I still get in there... I get kicked out of the Norva the last 3 times Ive been. In Flames, Children of Bodom and Danzig. I gota stop that...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Pantera 3 watch it go. Throwin beer to those japanese dudes in the back row like 50 seats up. What a great idea!

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

'...Sad to see this guy blowing himself up....'

True. I saw a movie about a contortionist who could blow himself up.

When it was over, he said having the ability to do so is why he never needed a girlfriend.


(INSERT rimshot audio and hysterical complaints about 'phallic allusions' and an image of Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield yanking his tie while complaining about the lack of respect he receives in this blog.)


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Y hate Kerry King?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Don't sleep on The Sword?

Never heard of them? Can't seem to find them either?

Unearth is the sh|t!

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | April 7, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

ALLTHATSKINS the band is called The Sword. They play an old style of metal kinda Sabbathy, vintage sound. They played with Metallica on the latest tour.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I really like Gil Brandt. Here he separates his top 100 players in tiers.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80fa18ce&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: TWISI | April 7, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

People who think Jason Campbell is cool under pressure are mistaken.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 12:19 PM

Okay, you're back in stride: The Redcoat of old who dazzles with brilliance, amazes with analysis, and disappoints only by his infrequent appearances up here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Kerry King is a metal icon.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Ive got unearth albumn, think its III in th eyes of fire or somethign? Pretty good. I need to give it more listening. Sanctity of brothers and march of the mutes are the 2 tracks that stick out the most.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

You seen Kings tatoo? Its like lines coming from his bald head that lead down his neck, shoulders and arms to his hands. Its like the metal is coming from his brain and traveling thru his hands to his guitar. The dude is a metal icon. He does some wierd stuff tho... i saw him in a Sum41 video for a guest guitar solo... wierd seeming him in there. He also did a guest solo on the last Pantera albumn. GodDamn Electric I think it was.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | April 7, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Kerry King is so overrated.

Have you guys listened to his lead out on godam* electric?

I don't want to piss Kerry King fans off, I just don't like Kerry King or Slayer too much.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

You flatter me T_E. How are you guys - well I hope?

I guess I wasn't surprised by all the silliness of last week: your owner is notoriously dazzled by the last shiny objects. I expect he won't stop until he finds himself a 'trophy quarterback' but I hope for all the Skins fans sake he waits at least a while longer.

Oh, and F chRiS lARRy!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

AllThatSkins and anyone else who cares. Check out The Sword.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL7ndxWgW5A

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

so THE BRAVOS have the chance to continue as THE BEST TEAM IN PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL with a win over Phillies tonight


anybody else watching it??


7PM BEASTERN TIME!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Yoder,

I agree. ABC - anyhting but country. not to say it's not a respectable genre of music, just not for me.

p.s. great handle, BTW. strong.

p.s.s. anyone have an opinion on Kings of Leon? I bought 2 tickets to the show at Patriot Center on account of this chick I was..."seeing" at the time but aside from Sex on Fire, couldn't name a single song. Worth going? Should I sell them?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 7, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

VaBeach,

Get a hold of 'the oncoming storm.' Unearth's best raw album!

Dimebag is a metal icon. Ozzy is a metal icon. Kerry King is not a meal icon, to me.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat drank with Lemmy. Recoat is a metal icon on here.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

People who think Jason Campbell's lack of emoting is somehow a weakness as a QB, I hear George Costanza is available.

As I recall, Jay Shroeder and Jeff George both know how to throw a good tantrum. JGeorge is looking, and long ago proved his bona fides by yelling at his coach.

Personally, I worked with a few people who are very emotional and reactionary. I've never found them to be motivational, just jackasses that most people don't want to be around.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Im not a huge fan of his solo stylings, but Slayer rhythm riffs are good. For solo's Im all about Alexi from COB, or Bjorn from In Flames. The Amott brothers from ARch Enemy are just sick on leads too

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Redskins make vet minimum offer to Leftwich..

If he (Leftwich) did sign here for the veteran minimum, it would allow (Redskins owner Dan) Snyder to save over a million dollars this season, with Collins due a $1.9 salary and a $100,000 workout bonus as well. He is due to make $3 million in 2010 and received a $3 million signing bonus in 2007. Releasing Collins would result in a nominal cap hit, but would save actual dollars.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 7, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"I agree. ABC - anyhting but country. not to say it's not a respectable genre of music, just not for me. "


wait a second

it depends on if you're talking about country or pop-country.

Country like Johnny Cash, Charlie Daniels, Merle Haggard, etc. If you don't like that, you suck.

The "country", as it is advertised, we see today is nothing more than pop. I'll compromise and call it pop-country, but that's tough to do. It's the same thing as a lot of rap right now. It's not rap anymore, it's pop, but again I'll compromise and call it pop-rap. And all of it pretty much sucks.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | April 7, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat drank with Lemmy. Recoat is a metal icon on here.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

That's very kind, but I believe that I am but one of at least 250,000 people that Lemmy has drunk with. But for all that he was a good laugh.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Dam, a regular Headbangers Ball up here today. Don't sleep on Sleep!

Posted by: chrislarry | April 7, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The Sword is good, dude. Old School. Reminds me of Corrosion of Conformity (check those guys out). Swampy & muddy, reminds me of Acid Bath and old school Sabbath.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Check out Human Abstract.

I cant be sure if the link is a good version, I dont have a sound card. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u9KDMWJsAM

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Look, heavy metal, hip hop, rap -- so 20th Century. Grow up, guys and move on.

What's happening now is bluegrass. Bela Fleck, Mark O'Connor, Dave Grisman, Chris Thile, Bob Holt. And, to go back to the start, Chet Atkins, Earnest Tubb, Buck Owens and Roy Clark.

Try to keep up, okay?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

well uhhh

why would Leftwich come to Washington for the same, if not less, money than he could get in Pittsburgh? Which team is in better position to win a ring next year?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Johnny Cash is his own genre...I can't stand twangy country music or the new pop-country. I dig the man in black though.


Oh, and... Rey > Cushing

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 7, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Judging country music by the pablum that is modern country does it a disservice, much like judging Hip Hop by Flo-Rida....Even though both genres are being killed by the pop-crappe...both have deep histories and lots of good modern underground/unheard/under appreciate stuff...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 7, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

CoC is good. The guitar/singer from that band along w/Phil from Pantera and Kirk from Crowbar were in Down. I like their first ablumn, was turned off by the second. Crowbar also has some good stuff. Equilibrium albumn is good and Sonic Excess. Its like Beavis and Butthead said, this music is slow, heavy and fat.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

also what's the status of Leftwich?

Uh, slow.

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

dude no one wants to about metal bands.... they all blow..

How bout you guys can go into a private AOL chatroom or something and jerk each other off to some Slayer

Posted by: jeffco01 | April 7, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

if KNOWSHON ROCKWELL MORENO drops to the third round I will kill someone if we pass on him.

I'm looking at RED!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

VaBeach,

I dig the Abstract's first album.

Today, I am going to see Chimaira. Killswitch Engage was suppose to play, too, but they dropped out to play a metal awards show in vegas.

Oh yeah, disturbed and lucuna coil are playing too. gay!

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The Sword is good, dude. Old School. Reminds me of Corrosion of Conformity (check those guys out). Swampy & muddy, reminds me of Acid Bath and old school Sabbath.

Yeah Pepper and COC. Love them. Acid Bath is good too. The Sword has 2 records, Age of Winters and Gods of the Earth. Both great.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Juve does and always will count.


I'm tempted to say 400 Degreez > everything Wayne has ever done, including The Carter.

Juve was THAT DUDE and I think he has a new album coming out.


and did I just see you put BG over Juve???? Come on now!

Posted by: TheTruth11


400 degrees was good, but not great. My bad, I was still eastcoast swinging hard back in '98, '99.

The Carter was nice, but I've always been a mixtape junkie. I like Lil Wayne on mixtapes better than any of his albums. I'll put up anyone of his albums with one of his mixpates from 'The Drought' series, or the 'Dedidcation' series anyday.

I'm not in the group that Lil Wayne is the greatest ever, but I don't hate on dude. Some of the stuff I dig, some I don't - just like every artist/rapper/singer in music.

But to say he sold out? I don't understand how. These people are in it to make music and money. Everything else is and should be secondary.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Truth Leftwich realizes he has no shot to start for the Steelers...

I would say his changes are much better here

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 7, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Johnny Cash is his own genre...I can't stand twangy country music or the new pop-country. I dig the man in black though.


Oh, and... Rey > Cushing

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 7, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

what he said. KOL, anyone? Worth a look?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 7, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

FedorEm,

You ever listened to CoC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRf7fzkSIrA

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

For those of you interested in extreme guitar playing, I give you the trumpet-based equivalent - the TasteeBros...

http://www.myspace.com/thetasteebrosfansite

Those guys toot a mean horn!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Nocture as was amazing... not sure what happened on their last albumn. It blows donkey schlong thru a straw.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

but really, is Phil Loadholt expected to drop to the third? If so, I think we could go LB/DE in the first and pick him in the third. He'll be solid at worst I think.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Corrosion of Conformity, Deliverance is my favorite by them.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Ever hear Hayseed Dixie T_E? When my eldest was over from the UK at Christmas she got me into them. You can meld a love of bluegrass with heavy metal then!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

For those of you interested in extreme guitar playing:

Oziel Zinho. Dude from S America. All over youtube.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Why all the Flo rida hate?

Moreno won't be around in the 3rd so let's try and avoid an aneurysm okay Truth.

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Genius book of world records - fastest guitar player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsyRxHDCRHI

try 320 bpm ... flight of the bumble bee.

insane

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"But to say he sold out? I don't understand how. These people are in it to make music and money. Everything else is and should be secondary.

Posted by: RedDMV "

the thing is

look at what Jay-Z did. He went about it all the right way. Wayne is now singing on rock songs for the TRL crowd. If not selling out, then I'll just say he's hit female dog mode.


and I like plenty of Wayne's stuff, The Carter was classic. Carter II was solid. Dedication mixtapes were real good. I even liked his older stuff pre-Carter I. But dude doesn't even try anymore. It's embarrassing and it's pitiful now that we got people calling him the GOAT. What a disgrace.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Moreno's middle name is 'Rockwell'?

Knowshon Rockwell Moreno...

Damn cool. It doesn't sound like a real name which makes it a cool name.

Damn jeffco, why the hate for metal music? What is your choice of music?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that dude is insane fast. You play allthat?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Who are your influences cL?

Back in the mid-70s I remember my proto-punk cousin playing the then metal-loving me all this stuff by MC5, Damned, Clash, SPOTS (Sex Pistols On Tour Secretly), Buzzcocks, Lurkers, Siouxsie and the Banshees.

I ended up going to a few concerts to see punk bands and dragged him to some hippy rock/metal stuff. Happy days.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"Why all the Flo rida hate?

Moreno won't be around in the 3rd so let's try and avoid an aneurysm okay Truth.

Posted by: will_ga "

SOMEBODY'S GOT TA DIE

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Oziel Zinho -
Damn, that guy is good.

Technical Difficulties /w Paul Gilbert:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES1RypBww_g

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

AllThatSkins check out High on Fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89h-X-tZa_w

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Rage Against the Machine > Smashing Pumpkins > whatever yall are talking about right now


seriously, Pantera? UGH NO THANKS

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The problem is those two are the most important players at their respective positions. Most coaches won't risk their best players to injury on punt returns when you can get other guys further down the depth chart to do it. And despite the potential, players have a tendency to underperform on returns to preserve themselves for the regular offensive/defensive sets (see Hester, Devin). There's enough other guys to turn to that you don't have to go to Hall or Moss.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 7, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

But more specifically to the Redskins...we need those sort of playmakers back there...of moss's big plays last year you could argue his biggest was his punt return for a touchdown...and we have heard that argument that you are "protecting" your starters and there is some validity to it, however, there comes a point when you just have to go out there and play football and take those risks...it seems for every punt returner that gets injured on an actual punt return there is a play like boldin getting his face taken off at the WR position versus the jets...not to mention that those guys (moss, hall) are uniquely qualified to return punts (and do it rather well) versus a quality WR (like a T.O. or Plaxico) who doesn't have the same quickness and elusivenss..plus i don't know how many other guys we got who can return punts all that effectively (i would have loved to have ARE be the guy we hoped he'd be, but his time is up)...we need playmakers to make plays

Posted by: justlovesports | April 7, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Paul Gilbert is insane too. I cant believe he was in that gay 80's band. Mr. Big?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

why is there no mention of the robert thomas, LB signing anywhere ???

Posted by: shally | April 7, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

VaBeach,

Yeah, I play. Gotta ESP LTD M350 and a Jackson V.

What about you?

Fedor,
that High on fire song is pretty cool.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm...you have a geriatric QB in Kerry Collins as your starter, a physical phenom who's a head case as a back up and you just signed Patrick Ramsey, hows it feel to be a Titans fan right about now? I'd be a little nervous!!

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Theres these guys called Pergium I think... Not sure if they have a full band or not, but this clip is very entertaining. The drummer is really good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzOF9w8kG-c


Check it out

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

again I'll ask


is it next year or the year after that we're getting a bunch of cap space off our books?


looking forward to that, should be a good chance to REALLY rebuild and transition

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

But dude doesn't even try anymore. It's embarrassing and it's pitiful now that we got people calling him the GOAT. What a disgrace.

Posted by: TheTruth11

Hmm, I was thinking the same thing. Yeah he's starting to get lazy now. I don't think he was ever much of a writer anyway. I know this because Wayne rights for Baby, and Baby is trash, I'm sure most will agree with that.

Wayne is a comedian on the track. He provides a lot of laughs and they come in handy when I'm in "music mode". That's prolly the main reason (maybe only) why I f's with the dude.

Whoever is calling Wayne the GOAT must be 21 or younger, or a female.

Not judging here, but the mf'er looks like the predator with tats on his face, how is it that woman find the dude desirable is beyond me.

Oh I forgot, dude has a gazillion dollars and fame.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Gibson Les Paul with EMG 81/85.

Also an Ibanez RG20. Its a cheap guitar, but I just put a Floyd Rose bridge on it and Seymour Duncan Blackouts.

I also have a martin steel string acoustic and Cardoba classical.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Truth,

seriously?! samshing pumkins!?!?

I do love rage and yeah I'll sing some pumpkin's songs but come on, don't hate on Pantera. They pretty much stamped southern metal on the face of the earth.

billy corgan is a d bag.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

VaBeach that guy playing the bach... his guitar has LED inlays. That's so lame. lol.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

also, do we still have all our draft picks for next year?

QB situation will be huge next year, lots of talented guys. Hell, Tebow could drop to us even if we have a mid 1st rounder, or he could even drop to second round. I'm NO Tebow fan but he's a player and if it would make us better I'd be for giving him a look. I'm HATE it, but whatever works works!

that is IF JC isn't brought back, which right now I think is 50/50, all up to how he plays this year in his SECOND year in a system.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I really want a Jackson V, but looks like next tax season for that.

I play thru mesa triple rectifier. Its an older model, like 97/98, sounds sooo much heavier than any mesa Ive heard.

What kinda amp you playing thru?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Corgan is a D bag. I heard him sayin years ago on a howard stern interview there was nothing left to do w/rock music... uh... dont think so billy.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

So figuring that there is a pretty good chance that all 4 top OL are gone by 13 - what do you think the pic will be? B/C I really dont see anyone trading with us and giving us what we want - later 1st and 2nd or even 2 seconds...I dont see it happening.

Thoughts???

Still think we need to fire Danny Smith

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 7, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Board Question...

If we can sign Leftwich...

Should we give up Campbell for a 2nd rounder??

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 7, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Red, rumor has it that Gully da Kid (I think is his name) wrote most of, if not all of, The Carter for Wayne, and some of Carter II.

Gully said this himself, Wayne denies it, who knows.

But Wayne can still put out good stuff, Gossip came out not TOO long ago and was pretty nice.

and sorry, just not a Pantera fan. Meloncholy and the Infinite Sadness was a classic album! Corgan's new stuff is pretty bad from what I've heard though.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Corgan is a Dbag. Pantera will live on in the hearts of all metal fans. There was no better time for metal than the early 90's. Headbangers ball (the real one with Riki Rachtman) was still on. Pantera crushed for 10 plus years. Phil now continues on with Down. Ronni James Dio metal horns!!!!

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Ramsey signs with the Titans:

Dave Logan, play-by-play voice for the Broncos and a former receiver with the Browns and Broncos, said Ramsey's arm strength is still there.
"I don't know what the mind-set of the organization is, but I will tell you this: Patrick has enough talent to be better than a backup quarterback," Logan said. "And that is what you look for in a backup quarterback, a guy who is going to handle the situation the right way, is going to be a team guy, is going to pull for the No. 1 guy, but is going to prepare himself and be ready every week just in case something happens. And he is going to push that No. 1 guy.
"In training camp they'll see Ramsey has some ability. He certainly has the ability to be the No. 2 guy, there's no question about that.''


Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Yea I've heard a rectifier before.

That drummer in that classical metal video is pretty damn good.

Meshugah's drummer is crazy in "bleed:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc98u-eGzlc

I play through a tone blaster. In an ideal world, I would play through a JCM900 or a Krank. I want tubes. My friend had a 5150 and I couldn't get enough of it.

If metal is too much for you, myabe you will dig Andy McKey.

Check it out,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSnWhsmlGec

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Punters become less important when teams score on offense. Unfortunately, this team has mastered the three-and-out drill, hence, Redskins fans should be more concerned about punters than the average fan. Frankly put, the punting has been horrendous. I don't know how Durant Brooks didn't work out. Danny Smith seemed to think it was a mental thing but I don't buy that. I think he was un-coached, told to worry about too many things instead of just focusing on booting the skin off of the ball. Every rookie is inundated with adjustments to their play and some handle it better than others. Coaches need to be able to read this and back off, simplify things. As I have said in the past, I am not sold on Danny Smith. I think if the Redskins continue to suffer kicker and punter woes this season, and continue to have mediocre punt returns from the guy who used to be pure electric on punt returns, they should re-think their coaching staff. Clearly, all of the punters and kickers through the last six years couldn't be awful.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 7, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"In training camp they'll see Ramsey has some ability. He certainly has the ability to be the No. 2 guy, there's no question about that.''

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Ramsey can certainly show Vince Young how to take a sack. And not just any sack... a Steve Spurrier Super Sick Sack.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

who's wayne? who's flo-rida? who's baby?

i don't like country, never have never will. and what's wrong with pop? i say add all the pop you want as long as you keep the lyrics. lyrics now days suck.

eventhough i could never understand joshua tree i knew that shti was good and was poetry. now it's "you broke my heart...baaaaybeeeee...don't cry when i break your...errmmmmmm heart...ya-een ya-een yaa-een" they can't even make shti rhyme anymore...

Posted by: dealer1 | April 7, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

no one is going to give us a 2nd rounder in this draft.. maybe a conditional 3rd ? maybe a conditional 2nd next year?

we are deluding ourselves if we think JC will net a 2nd for us this year

Posted by: shally | April 7, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Mckey is really good. Very innovative. Never seen someone use some of his techniques. Or a harp guitar for that matter.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

tubes are the way to go. Until you have to replace the tubes. I have 9 tubes in my mesa 150 watt head. Probably gona run $200 or $300 to have them replaced. BUt its all worth it for that thick sound. I hear Engle amps are the new thing for metal amphliphiers

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

the only song these days (other than rihana stuff and i'm sick of that for now) that gets me going is "these words" by natasha bedingfield...again A WOMAN!!! where are all the dudes? what happened to the m&m's of the world?

Posted by: dealer1 | April 7, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

VaBeach,

I've got a Bill in my bridge and ducan design POS in my neck.. in my LTD. I've gotta Takamine for an acoustic. It's no songbird but with elixers - she sounds clean and crisp.

In Virgina, I have seen Jimmy Biffet, Steve Miller Band & George Thorogood. I've never been to a metal show in Virginia....

Yeah Andy McKey is good.

Do you dig Trivium?

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

here's my prediction: jc will not be the starter for the skins at the end of this year...

Posted by: dealer1 | April 7, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

dealer agreed

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 7, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

For all the guitar heads on here today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG4TXUkGL9Y&feature=PlayList&p=D5F1022482A803CB&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=25

The Pirates are THE original power trio, and Mick Green is the guy who popularized playing lead and rhythm guitar simultaneously.

These guys have been playing together almost 50 years now and are still touring. If you ever see them mentioned over here go, you won't regret it.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Trivium is alright. I never got big into them. Ever hear Soilwork? Theres just something about European metal bands that strikes a chord w/me.

a bill in your bridge?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

'...Patrick Ramsey has enough talent to be better than a backup quarterback...'


I can shorta kinda see that being true.

He's ridden the bench long enough to figure it all out by know.

Sad thing is: who'd give the guy a true shot as a starter?

What are his post-redskins stats anyways?

It would not be funny if they are better--in terms of completion, int/touchdown rate--than JCs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Redcoat!

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

RedCoat! long time no blog, bruther. Hail!

Plenty of geetar heros from DC to dig too.

Danny Gatton anyone? ;-]

Bill= Bill Lawrence, no?

My first 'pro' axe was a Zion bought at Venneman's over in Rockville. It had Bill Lawrences & great sound.

Too bad that shop closed down after the guy died. Those were better than PRS imho.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 7, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

'....Should we give up Campbell for a 2nd rounder??'


Dude, there is no 2nd round pick to be had for Campbell.

If there was, we'd have it already.

Let the, "Trade Campbell for...." thing go, the whole argument is getting mad stale.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I seem to recall Ramsey playing for Denver a season or 2 ago and showing potential. He has a strong arm, but then he makes a real bad decision to force it in and gets picked. He sure can take a sack though. Does sack taking factor into HOF voting?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 7, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

here's my prediction: jc will not be the starter for the skins at the end of this year...

Posted by: dealer1

This is a make or break year for a lot of people. Zorn, Campbell and quite possibly Vinny. Even Blache who may retire.

With Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden, Dungy and Holmgren potentially available to coach, I'd be surprised if the 2010 offseason isn't a bunch more interesting then 2009 has been. And 2009 has been interesting

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Gotta wonder why the Skins didn't sign a better punter while the getting was good...

How much did Shane Lechler cost? 1.5 mil/yr?

They're left with a below average punter -- Dirk Johnson -- who has only made 44 punts in three years. No one better is still available in free agency...

Posted by: siris | April 7, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Hola Dik, long time no speak. Well, see at least.

I have to admit I'm ignorant of the DC music scene because I pretty-much never get out these days. Too much work, too little time.

Same goes for blogging.

Though I did go see Michelangelo's Notebook years ago, and my wife was best buddy growing up with the lead singer of the Pietasters. Does that count?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Board Question...

If we can sign Leftwich...

Should we give up Campbell for a 2nd rounder??

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 7, 2009

Bored question ...

Can we trade BenchCampbell to the Ravens blog for a 2nd rounder?

The Redskins NEED 3 QBs. At 37 can Collins come in and do what Brunell did during Gibbs 2.0 1st playoff run?

I don't think so.

You sign Leftwich who is healthy. Colt needs competition you let them compete for #2. If Campbell goes down, and odds are that eventually he will, you have someone ready to step in without missing a beat. A young, aggressive veteran and a young hungry, aggressive "rookie" backing up Campbell.

At some point, like Kerry Collins, David Carr will play for Eli Manning. Its almost a given. Then, if he does well, I suspect he will do what Cassel did and find a team willing to give him a shot to be their starter.

I personally think that the QB situation would be vastly improved NOT BY BENCHING CAMPBELL which is completely ludicrous, (and would serve only to MAKE THING A LOT WORST!), but instead by signing a young "local" homeboy, former 1st round pick veteran to complement, not supplant the current QB and to help the new "rookie" get better.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, did you ever like Thin Lizzy? I know they are Irish. They popularized using 2 harmonizing guitars. I think they a so underrated as a band. Pretty amazing guitar work. Phil Lynot the rock poet.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

But to say he sold out? I don't understand how. These people are in it to make music and money. Everything else is and should be secondary.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 12:47 PM

Most who get in intially is for the love, not the money. That's when the music is good.

Once they get money, more than likely, they'll never sound the same again......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I hope you're not serious with your alleged unfamiliarity with Lil Wayne and Flo-Rida. I mean, Bean even knew about the song 'Laffy Taffy'...

And don't expect me to believe that you listen to Rihanna and pop music.

If you do listen to Rihanna and pop music, then you definitely know who Lil Wayne and Flo-Rida is.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I disagree dealer. JC will be starting unless due to injury, IMO. Of course, this is all pure conjecture at this point but that's what we do right?

So, going once, twice - Kings of Leon? Bueller? Fry??

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 7, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I saw a guy cutting his grass in a tracksuit a few minutes ago. It just didn't seem right.

Posted by: mack1 | April 7, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I saw a guy cutting his grass in a tracksuit a few minutes ago. It just didn't seem right.

Posted by: mack1 | April 7, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"I have to admit I'm ignorant of the DC music scene because I pretty-much never get out these days. Too much work, too little time ..."

"Hand" dancing, DC Swing ...

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Sort of like when an athlete gets that "set-up for life" contract...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, A bill Lawrence, XL500.

Between the buried and me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19UZd_DKs2Q

Strapping young lad - from Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeG-6bpeUkA

Anterior - from the UK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZfdbxpOdHo

Soilwork is cool. I'm like you with Trivium, I haven't really listened to a lot of their stuff...

U like Chimaira? Totally going to see them live, tonight. Gonna be awesome!

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 7, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I worked with the producer of "Tootsy Roll", does that count? Oh, and of course BLOWFLY.

No one has SJK on Blowfly.

Thin Lizzy is tha Shizzy.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 7, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"I have to admit I'm ignorant of the DC music scene because I pretty-much never get out these days. Too much work, too little time ..."

"Hand" dancing, DC Swing ...

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 1:45 PM |

I thought you lived in California?

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 7, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"dealer, I hope you're not serious with your alleged unfamiliarity with Lil Wayne and Flo-Rida. I mean, Bean even knew about the song 'Laffy Taffy'..."

How about Root Boy Slim and the Sex Change Band?
~mischievous smile~

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"Kings of Leon?"

Only know of 1 of their songs. DC101 killed it within a week. Not a bad song though.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 7, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

'...Patrick Ramsey has enough talent to be better than a backup quarterback...'

Posted by: MistaMoe

when he backed up Brunell, he came off the bench vs the jints and played well in a game we won. Included a TD pass to Moss (short pass with a long run)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, did you ever like Thin Lizzy? I know they are Irish. They popularized using 2 harmonizing guitars. I think they a so underrated as a band. Pretty amazing guitar work. Phil Lynot the rock poet.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Yes I did. I especially liked stuff from the "Do anything you want to" era. I met Phil's widow a few times as she lived in the village where I used to play cricket back in England. He was a sad loss.

You should check out the Sensational Alex Harvey Band some time too. Zal Cleminson was always underrated.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 7, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN:

"Jack Elway, son of Pro Football Hall of Fame quarterback John Elway, has decided to leave the Arizona State football team.

Elway, a redshirt freshman quarterback, will remain at Arizona State as a student, however.


"He's just tired of football and wants to do something else with his life," Sun Devils coach Dennis Erickson said Monday, according to The Arizona Republic. "He made a decision, and we all understand it. He would have played here eventually."


Elway, who was in a five-way battle for the starting quarterback job this fall, was considered to be behind senior Danny Sullivan and redshirt sophomore Samson Szakacsy on the depth chart, with sophomore Chasen Stangel and freshman Brock Osweiler also in the mix."

In other news, Marcus Jordan committed to UCF...sons of legends, impossible to live up to the hype.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 7, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

'...This is a make or break year for a lot of people: Zorn...'

Hope not.

You can't keep firing, releasing, changes head coaches because, well, after 2 seasons they don't morph the team into a three ring winning dynasty.

Campbell is the only guy on 'death row' when it comes to his career.

Put the offesnse on his shoulders, stand back, and watch him work: if he does well,pay him. If he does not, wave bye-bye in slow motion as he packs his bag and heads out into the cold world of free agency.

Let Zorn hang around until his contract is up. Evaluate him, them decide if he should go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

JC17 will start unless he gets hurt. The best analysis of the situation came from psps23:
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Snyder doesn't just want an upgrade, he wants a bona fide long-term franchise QB.

He thought Cutler could have been that for this team.

He didn't think there was another QB out there, besides Cutler, that gave a better shot than Campbell.

He had a shot to get a 3-time SB appearing, 2-time MVP, 1-time SB MVP, 1-time SB winner, multiple pro-bowler QB playing at the top of his game, yet he didn't even consider bringing him (Warner). He had another 4-time pro-bowl west coast QB on the market, but didn't consider him either (Garcia). Two other solid QBs were on the market, only one was brought in with the intention of only becoming a back-up (Kerry Collins and Leftwich). He also had a shot at the famed one-year wonder, young QB from New England, but didn't show an iota of interest (Cassel). Why? Because Campbell gives him the best opportunity of providing what he wants. He knows this. Zorn knows this. And that's why Campbell's name is still atop the depth chart.

Posted by: psps23 | April 6, 2009 11:29 PM

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

The only reason why potential trades for Campbell were explored and Leftwich was brought in for evaluation was only in the context of completing a trade for Cutler -- arguably a "better" QB...

Campbell is in the last year of his contract, but he will be the Skins starting QB in 2009. I highly doubt the Skins will select a QB in the 2009 draft, however they may be able to use Sanchez as a bargaining chip [to trade down] should he fall to them at #13 and none of their targeted players were available.

Who would want to move up and select a QB? How about the Jets (17), Buccaneers (19), Lions (20), or Vikings (22)?

Posted by: siris | April 7, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

n Jose State’s Gilbert In Demand
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 7, 2009, 1:28 p.m.
By the time the NFL draft commences later this month, San Jose State defensive end Jarron Gilbert will have visited at least seven NFL teams, according to Adam Caplan of Scout.com.

Gilbert is a rising prospect who has visited or will visit the Washington Redskins, San Diego Chargers, Pittsburgh Steelers, New Orleans Saints, New England Patriots, Detroit Lions and the Dallas Cowboys.

Gilbert also has been scheduled for private workouts with the San Francisco 49ers and the Kansas City Chiefs.

At 6′5, 288 pounds, Gilbert has 4.76 speed in the 40-yard dash and has recorded a 10-7 broad jump and a 37-inch vertical leap.

Gilbert was named the Western Athletic Conference Co-Defensive Player of the Year last season, registering 22 tackles for losses. Gilbert’s father is former Saints offensive tackle Daren Gilbert.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

BtB&Me song actually has some connections to Thela Hun Jinjeet (s to tha SJKin p?) by King Krimson... until the belch-singing starts.. hehe.

Tip of the Vid to Sam Raimi's Evil Dead on the SYL vid - nice Ronnie James Dio vocals!

I love New Metal, but it's so different now that irony is ubiquitous. I know there are bands in Norway that will eat your brains, literally. But I have to keep asking myself "Are you serious?!"

I went to a Metal show in miami - about 5 bands. Good music, but the geetar playa was a dread whitey ala a dead cover band (tho playing metal. good metal) and the singer was preppy.

Irony wins. I'll still listen to it, though.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 7, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

'....Should we give up Campbell for a 2nd rounder??'

Dude, there is no 2nd round pick to be had for Campbell.

If there was, we'd have it already.

Let the, "Trade Campbell for...." thing go, the whole argument is getting mad stale.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 1:38 PM

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Pats screwed up the Skins perceived value of Campbell by accepting a Trade Offer for Cassell (11-5 W-L 08 starter record) from the Chiefs for a Second. I am sure thats all Snyder heard on the phone last week from the other GM's in the league..

"yeah Thanks Dan, glad you called, but Cassell went for a Second and he had better Starter stats..." arrgh..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 7, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Best LOX freestyle: Chest 2 Chest, off the AG & Showbiz joint - next level... (although some may only know the beat from 8 Mile - ugh)

Styles P says: "I'm the crack in your tape deck
I'm the burner on your waist that'll leave the place wet
I'm the money in the safe that'll pay the case debt
I'm the jewels on your neck that'll make these dime b*tch*s give head
I'm the blunt 3 in the morning you take to the head
I'm that car that you snatched when you first got bread
I'm that spot that you got when you were running from the Feds
I'm the heart of the page in that book that you read
I'm the ground that absorbed all that sh*t that y'all bled"

Sheek Says: "Goodbye, see you in your afterlife when
you come back as a pu**y and I f@#k you again
Respect come not from Tecs
it comes from ni**az who write checks to get y'all lil' ni**az outta big debts...

This year I need 97 gats, 97 cars
swear to God this year, I'm gonna f@&k 97 stars
And if I come short, it ain't no slack off my shoulder
I'm waiting for this last b*tch to get a little older.."

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Pats screwed up the Skins perceived value of Campbell by accepting a Trade Offer for Cassell (11-5 W-L 08 starter record) from the Chiefs for a Second. I am sure thats all Snyder heard on the phone last week from the other GM's in the league..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 7, 2009 2:00 PM

But doesn't that fly in the face of everything the Bears gave up for Cutler (8-8 W-L 08 starter record)?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

IMO.

William Beatty will be better than Oher on the next level...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/william-beatty?id=71199

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Why Does Moe Hate College Basketball:

'..After watching NCAA championship game last night, it's so clear the Carolina coaching staff was trying to shield freshman 6-10 big man Ed Davis from the NBA scouts. After the game, Davis, who comes off the bench, said he was "definitely'' returning....'

Gee, what a system: greedy college coaches who preach 'luv the game, play your heart out for the 'ol U' while pocketing millions a year want to keep a kid in college to insure their own job security.

150 years ago, this was called slavery.

Today, it's called March Madness.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Donald Brown isn't as good as advertised and this dude Beatty is the reason behind all of his yardage.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"yeah Thanks Dan, glad you called, but Cassell went for a Second and he had better Starter stats..." arrgh..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 7, 2009 2:00 PM |

That was really irrelevant. The "second" was the third pick in the second round. But Cassell only went for a second because he carried franchise price tag -- a salary of like $14 million.

The reason Campbell is worth less than a second is because he hasn't had much consistent success in the league. The same reason why Snyder wants to trade him is the reason why no one wants him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Jack Elway, son of Pro Football Hall of Fame quarterback John Elway, has decided to leave the Arizona State football team.

Elway, a redshirt freshman quarterback, will remain at Arizona State as a student, however."

Translation: "I'll never be as good as my father, and for me to expect or anyone else to expect, for that matter, is simply inconceivable. Playing football was fun in high school becasue it wasn't that serious. Now with me being in college and with the NFL being the next level, I've got a feeling on how much people will expect me to be the player my Dad was... I mean... my dad is a legend in not only football, but sports in general. I think I could be good, in both college and in the NFL, but to live up to my Father's standards and accomplishments is just something I don't know if I'm able to fulfill or attempt to pursue at this time." - Jack Elway

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"The same reason why Snyder wants to trade him is the reason why no one wants him."

This statement couldn't be more wrong on all accounts.

Snyder doesn't "want" to trade Campbell. Snyder wanted to trade for Jay Cutler. Massive difference.

And "no one wants him" is patently false (if you believe any of the rumors that the Skins were close to acquiring Cutler), as there was clearly at least one other team (and most likely more) lined up to take Campbell.

Saying that statement is about as mindless as saying the Browns want to trade Brady Quinn, but nobody else in the league wants him. Neither of them is true.

(While we're at it, lets discuss how Snyder wants to trade Carlos Rogers with no takers)

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

very true Yoder.

speak of Gilbert - can we bring Sean Gilbert back? That worked out well for us

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 7, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Sign Hunter Smith for a season he is the best punter available

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | April 7, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

siris

'...Who would want to move up and select a QB? How about the Jets (17), Buccaneers (19), Lions (20), or Vikings (22)?...'

These teams are better off waiting to take a shot at next's year's QB crop than picking over Sanchez and Stafford.

In fact, I'd give up a pick and take Brady Quinn from the Browns this year over either Stafford or Sanchez: two kids who came out only to take advantage of the stupidity of GMs who draft and pay quarterbacks simply because they are there to be selected.

With Quinn, you get a young guy who's done nothing but absorb and NFL system already and just needs playing time: and he's not gonna get paid like a 1st round pick.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Slavery = March Madness?

Well the whole March Madness thing was started by Magic and Bird - one white guy, one black guy.

Who plays the role of the "Field hands"?

Who is playing the "House Ni**ers"?

Who is starring as "Massa"?

March Madness ain't nothing like slavery.

In slavery if you traveled you'd got chased by bloodhounds and flogged until who ever was whipping the skin off your back (literally) eventually got tired.

In CBB if you travel it's a violation resulting in a turnover of possession.

Huge difference.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

mistermoeitall: "..After watching NCAA championship game last night, it's so clear the Carolina coaching staff was trying to shield freshman 6-10 big man Ed Davis from the NBA scouts. After the game, Davis, who comes off the bench, said he was "definitely'' returning....'"


They were shielding the team from letting its lead slip any further. He was put on the bench because he is a poor free throw shooter. Also, he's not ready for the NBA. If he was ready, I am sure his father, a 10-year NBA player, would know it or reach out to others who could make that assessment.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 7, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I mean, Bean even knew about the song 'Laffy Taffy'...

I do??.....I mean, yeah, I do....wait what were we talking about....nevermind....anyone heard form redcoat lately....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 7, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Gee, what a system: greedy college coaches who preach 'luv the game, play your heart out for the 'ol U' while pocketing millions a year want to keep a kid in college to insure their own job security."

You must hate every other college sport that has a professional institution waiting to pluck from the cream of the crop, too.

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

another riveting position battle

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 7, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"The same reason why Snyder wants to trade him is the reason why no one wants him."

This statement couldn't be more wrong on all accounts.

Snyder doesn't "want" to trade Campbell. Snyder wanted to trade for Jay Cutler. Massive difference.

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 2:23 PM

The story was that Vinny was calling around, trying to get a second for Campbell, and no one would give it. So, that constitutes trying to trade him and no one wanting him.

And he might still be making those calls to try to move up and grab Sanchez.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I suspect the observation that Danny wanted Cutler more than he wants to let go of Campbell is accurate.

Don't forget that Shanahan was also in this mix. Danny understood it was a 2 for 1 deal. He saw an upgrade at QB AND upgrade at coach. Danny wants an Elway/Montana/Peyton/Brady for his franchise and figured Cutler was it. Couple that with a top coach, and its hard not to see what Danny was thinking.

Thing is, the messiness dissed both Campbell and Zorn. And it didn't fix the hole at RT

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

You must hate every other college sport that has a professional institution waiting to pluck from the cream of the crop, too.

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 2:36 PM


That's the flaw in his musings. He likes college football - the NCAA's true cash cow.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 7, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I mean, Bean even knew about the song 'Laffy Taffy'...

That's a tough song to get out of your head once it gets going. Although not as tough as Peanut Butter Jelly Time. Once that gets going in my head, the day is shot to hel....aww crap.

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"They were shielding the team from letting its lead slip any further. He was put on the bench because he is a poor free throw shooter. Also, he's not ready for the NBA. If he was ready, I am sure his father, a 10-year NBA player, would know it or reach out to others who could make that assessment."

Exactly. Ed has a tremendous upside, but he's still pretty raw right now. And lh's assertion that he was taken out because of his free throw shooting is spot on. Big Ed will be back to dominate for my Heels next year, but it has nothing to do with Roy trying to hold him back.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 7, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Good lord... I just looked up the definition of 'Dirty Sanchez'... good grief. They give names for ANY and EVERY thing nowadays.

This is just foul on BOTH accounts, but I'm sure some of you have your own personal stories about it.

wtf.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Pats screwed up the Skins perceived value of Campbell by accepting a Trade Offer for Cassell (11-5 W-L 08 starter record) from the Chiefs for a Second. I am sure thats all Snyder heard on the phone last week from the other GM's in the league..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 7, 2009 2:00 PM

But doesn't that fly in the face of everything the Bears gave up for Cutler (8-8 W-L 08 starter record)?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 2:05 PM
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Campbell was part of a package and JC became even-up for a Second (according to nfl.com and wapo)..And Even-up for a second was largely due to the Cassell Trade 2 weeks earlier..... McDaniels has already implied, post trade, that it was Orton over JC in his decision process. Think Orton=Campbell. Sure the cost burden of a Franchise tag may of pushed Cassell to a Second but the fact remains it was a SECOND pick...and it set the market for a starting QB with average stats. That could change tomorrow.. if a GM trades his Starting QB for a First..

This is a supporting statement for JC.. basically he is worth more than a Second but, the timing was wrong for Dan to be putting him in a package for a Franchise QB like Cutler.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 7, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"The story was that Vinny was calling around, trying to get a second for Campbell, and no one would give it. So, that constitutes trying to trade him and no one wanting him."

The story was Vinny calling around, probing for a second rounder for Campbell....end of story.

There was no "no one would give it". Only that Vinny was attempting to get second for Campbell.

Coupled with that, he ONLY started calling around when Cutler became available. He wasn't doing it when the season ended, he wasn't doing it when free agency began. We have no idea what Campbell fetched, because the trade never happened. And why did the trade for Campbell never happen? Because the trade for Cutler never happened. If he didn't get Cutler, he wasn't trading Campbell. And thus the position we find ourselves in.

It remains to be seen what happens in the draft. But I highly, highly, highly doubt Snyder wastes the primes of his $200 million free agents praying that a rookie QB can step in and play like Matt Ryan by trading away the only viable starting QB option he has, both on his roster and on the free agent market.

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The story was that Vinny was calling around, trying to get a second for Campbell, and no one would give it. So, that constitutes trying to trade him and no one wanting him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 2:38 PM

Where is the story that Vinny couldn't get a second round pick for Campbell? Please show me the link.

The way I read it, Snyder wanted Cutler and McDaniels wanted a QB to fit his system but he didn't think Campbell was a good fit.

It sounds to me like the Skins may have had a taker for Campbell, but couldn't complete the Cutler part of the deal and the whole thing was nixed.

Please show me evidence to support the notion there were no takers for Campbell.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

psps23

'..You must hate every other college sport that has a professional institution waiting to pluck from the cream of the crop, too..'


Well, sir, I actually believe you shouldn't put any restraints on an individual's right to earn a living. And if a kid and his parents make a bad choice, well, that's their business, not the NCAA's or the NBA.

Football, btw, is different as the athlete's body must mature weight and strenght wise to perform in an NFL contest.

But tell Tiger Woods and Williams Sisters and Roger Federer that, well, they needed a 'college' education prior to playing tennis/golf and they'd laugh at you.

European basketball players are better than American college players as their individual games are developed without the joke of amateur athletics smothering their development.

There's no European NCAA: but do you know what?--we had to use a pro team composed of stars (many of whom never went to college) to compete on global stage of the Olympics because the college kids couldn't compete.

You can keep your March Madness and the cottage industry that gets rich off of poor kids playing basketball.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Somebody get some football relevant articles up here for god's sake, we have people talking about hip-hop, and heavy metal, none of which qualifies as "music" to me, just a bunch of noise.

Mista Moe- Fade haircuts may be played out, but James Browns records will live in infamy, they will never go out of style.

If ARE is back there returning punts this year I'll shoot myself or subject myself to some hip-hop or metal, whichever is worse.LOL!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 7, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The story was that Vinny was calling around, trying to get a second for Campbell, and no one would give it. So, that constitutes trying to trade him and no one wanting him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 2:38 PM

Where is the story that Vinny couldn't get a second round pick for Campbell? Please show me the link.

The way I read it, Snyder wanted Cutler and McDaniels wanted a QB to fit his system but he didn't think Campbell was a good fit.

It sounds to me like the Skins may have had a taker for Campbell, but couldn't complete the Cutler part of the deal and the whole thing was nixed.

Please show me evidence to support the notion there were no takers for Campbell.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 2:57 PM
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the quote about the Second is in NFL.com and they are quoting the WAPO...

.. any Skins fans in Boston meet me at the Black Rose after the Sox game.. drinks on me.. just yell "Vinny's got to go" and I'll find ya..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 7, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"Well, sir, I actually believe you shouldn't put any restraints on an individual's right to earn a living. And if a kid and his parents make a bad choice, well, that's their business, not the NCAA's or the NBA."

I've never disagreed with that. However, your beef should reside with the NBA, not the NCAA. It's the NBA's rule and has nothing to do with the NCAA (as evidenced by Brandon Jennings over in Europe).

And it still doesn't excuse the obvious translation of the same argument to college FB, including good/bad choices, restraints, etc. In fact, college FB inhibits the player's rights MORE on an ethical level, as college FB has a much higher risk of injury than college BB, and thus the athlete is risking much more returning to the college FB field than an equivalent BB athlete.

You can hate on college BB all you want, but that isn't a reason to do so (unless you're willing to extend that across all college sports with professional leagues).

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

the quote about the Second is in NFL.com and they are quoting the WAPO...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 7, 2009 3:03 PM


From nfl.com:

The Post updated its initial report by saying the Redskins offered Campbell to an undisclosed team for a second-round draft pick. The Redskins are believed to be acquiring picks to build a package for Cutler. That could indicate that the Broncos don’t want Campbell and might be comfortable with Chris Simms or a rookie in the upcoming draft as their starter.

This quote neither states nor implies that the Skins were unable to get a second rounder for Campbell. All it implies is McDaniel, the same coach who was shopping Cutler around to kick off the whole situation, didn't think Campbell was a good fit either.

I have still seen nothing to suggest the Skins couldn't get a second rounder for JC17.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

72redskins

'...Fade haircuts may be played out, but James Browns records will live in infamy, they will never go out of style...'


Point-taken: every once in a while, I ride with the Godfather's funk tracks booming against the Florida backdrop that is Palm Beach County.

My fav is "Cold Sweat" and a song called "Groove-Maker"

Most kids laugh when you play Brown's music--then they get real quiet and groove right along without acknowledging the rhythm and the greatness: maybe that's because they don't hear it too often in what they like to know what it is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"The story was that Vinny was calling around, trying to get a second for Campbell, and no one would give it. So, that constitutes trying to trade him and no one wanting him."

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Wrong, buddy. That constitutes nobody wanting him AT THAT PRICE. Huge difference.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 7, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I'll hate on college BB. Its become a money machine for universities. As some recall, universities are there to teach. Some years back, they discovered 2 sports that could generate money, football and basketball. A quick analysis showed a very good ROI ensued IF you had a very good program. So the bidding war started. Then came some really good TV and the $$$ involved skyrocketed.

Now, in most states, a highly successful coach IS the highest paid government employee. Here in California, I suspect at least the 10 highest paid government employees are coaches (UCLA, Cal, etc).

What is so screwy is that a great volleyball coach or waterpolo coach -- who has just as much influence on developing the student athlete -- gets very modest $$$ because there is little revenue with it.

When UConn's Calhoun defended his paycheck, he was on solid ground. Its the universities that made the deal with the devil -- to pursue the big money -- that has distorted the system. Now, much of that money goes elsewhere and universities that don't want to pay, don't get to play.

It is a free market system, but universities were not designed to be free market athletic enterprises

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

'Stanky Leg' is the new 'Laffy Taffy'.

All these dances but ain't saying nothin'...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that whatever calling Vinny did around trading Campbell, it was related to Cutler. Perhaps it was a 3rd party that might be involved in the deal.

Its hard to imagine the Broncos getting more for Cutler than they did. 2 #1's, a 3rd and a QB. That is a serious haul. And if McDaniels wasn't enamored with Campbell, so be it. He liked Orton -- a game manager sort.

We're better off not having given up the farm for Cutler. Heck, the iggles once thought Norm Snead was gonna be good and traded away their starting QB to us. When Norm Snead wants to visit the HOF in Canton, he needs to buy a ticket. The QB we got for him, doesn't.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"The story was that Vinny was calling around, trying to get a second for Campbell, and no one would give it. So, that constitutes trying to trade him and no one wanting him."

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Wrong, buddy. That constitutes nobody wanting him AT THAT PRICE. Huge difference.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 7, 2009 3:15 PM

Mrs. Aun,

Thanks for making that point. So AT WHAT PRICE do you think someone would have jumped up for him? Third? (That's what we paid for Brunell). 4th? (That's the guy that blogs here most days). 5th? (That used to be a bottle of whiskey).

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

The Broncos trade came down to QB's, not picks. The Bears and Skins were offerering nearly the same picks.

Josh McDaniels obviously didn't want Cutler. If he views Cutler and Campbell as similar QBs (as I do, although Campbell is more mature), then why would the Broncos fleece the Skins (once again) just for draft picks and a similar QB?

Evidently, McDaniels views Orton as better suited to the offense he wants to install than either Cutler or Campbell--thus the Broncos accepted the opportunity to fleece the Bears this time instead of Snyder and the Skins.

This is why it helps to have a great O-line, you can fleece other teams for equal value backs.

We're just lucky the Bears were the ones fleeced this time.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

wtf.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 2:46 PM

Looked up the Sanchez. Vile. Somewhere there's a Tony Romo Jess. Simpson video illustrating it just waiting to hit the internet!

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

the Souljah Boy dance said something... something like Dirty Sanchez, but it's something...

...just sayin' is alll....

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 7, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Okay, in what round do you think the Redskins will select a punter?

Posted by: TheCork | April 7, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

They won't make that mistake again. Or will they?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 7, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Maybe with that compensatory seventh round pick that they were awarded. And you know what? If the guy can actually punt, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 7, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

'Stanky Leg' is the new 'Laffy Taffy'.

All these dances but ain't saying nothin'...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 3:23 PM


Sounds a lot like soulja boy.......

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Soup is worth more to us than any other team.

And that's sad.

So is Portis. That's a little sad too.

But if we put an O line together this year, it just might pay off.

That's a big if.

And that's sad.

I'm sad.

sad sad sad.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 7, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

mistermoe said: "European basketball players are better than American college players as their individual games are developed without the joke of amateur athletics smothering their development.
There's no European NCAA: but do you know what?--we had to use a pro team composed of stars (many of whom never went to college) to compete on global stage of the Olympics because the college kids couldn't compete."

Moe, stick to talking football. Europe may not have an NCAA but they have State-run basketball academies that identify good players when they are young and teach them basketball year round. Over time, our college amateurs began to compete against grown men like Arvydas Sabonis who were professionals in Europe. The competition was also affected by the politics of team selection - our best college players didn't always make the team. European basketball players of the same age are not better than college basketball players - ever heard of Darko Milicic or Andrea Bargnini. They were killing it in Europe but can't do jack in the NBA while college players like Brandon Roy and Kevin Durant are getting it done.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 7, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Will, I'm guessing you haven't seen two girls one cup? That makes the Dirty Sanchez look like an item on the kids menu at Fridays.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 7, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Will, I'm guessing you haven't seen two girls one cup? That makes the Dirty Sanchez look like an item on the kids menu at Fridays.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 7, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm a little scared to watch that.I'm worried I'll never be able to eat chocolate ice cream or chili again?

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe is having an off today.......

No way you can equate NCAA Tourney to Slavery.

Not in 400 years.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

***NC-17 Post***

Re: Sanchez (Non-Football type)

that's just something that I could never, ever, never get down with. You'd have to kill me to "sport on of those".

The "Sanchezer" is just as vile and grotesque as the "Sanchezee" for even entertaining that garbage in the first place... I mean, people really do things like that?

And I'm not talking about wild stuff you'll see on a giving site (ex: face covered in "DNA"), but fecal matter...

On the topic of Jessica Simpson, looks like Romo told her that she needed to beef up a little - I applaude him.

Nothing more less attractive than seeing T1-T12 of a female's spinal cord when she bends over.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

MY GOD!!!!!!

I just did a search on 'Two Girls, One Cup'...

I see why it says that when some acts are committed, those who did it should be stoned to death.

That's really f'n sick.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"thought you lived in California?

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 7, 2009"

But I'm from DC and like DC Swing ... like to learn it ... a lot more work than hip-hop that's for sure ...

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing you weren't aware of its subject matter?????

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

F Soulja Boy (produces great beats though)

F Flo-rida

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

can we change the subject, or clean it up.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 7, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"And he might still be making those calls to try to move up and grab Sanchez.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009"

Let's make sure we have the "process" the "actors" and the "orchestration" clear.

Snidely would direct Vinny to call around to try to move up and grab Sanchez

Vinny's choice would be to trade down, look at Mel Kiper's picks and follow them to a "T". Which is what he did last year. Kiper had Thomas, Kelly, and Davis in his list of top 5 receivers (in spite of Kelly's rather serious injury issues and Thomas's attitude).

Now we wonder where Zorn, Blache, and Danny Smith might fit in this picture ... if at all?

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

No I wasn't... some stuff I can tolerate, even though others may consider extreme. But that right there... that's just... I don't know... (to quote Bean) "ufb".

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I'm still grieving the pantsing suffered by my Spartans on their home court by the Tar Heels (esp. that Zombie Mouthbreather, Tyler Hansbrough).

I also note that even Cinderella herself had to limp home after her big night because she lost something on the floor that night.

March Madness ... April Sadness ... proud to be a Spartan.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"Soup is worth more to us than any other team.

And that's sad.

So is Portis. That's a little sad too.

But if we put an O line together this year, it just might pay off.

That's a big if.

And that's sad.

I'm sad.

sad sad sad.

Posted by: DikShuttle"


all of that is pretty much true

honestly not many teams would want JC over their current QB. Portis some teams would probably take, but not nearly at what we pay for him.

yet a lot of Skins fans act like Campbell is some world beater. Dude is good at best, average on a good day, and suck at worst.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

can we change the subject, or clean it up.....
Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 7, 2009

Priest sez: Brown alert!! I have to go clean myself up now. [from Monsters vs Aliens].

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I wish Snyder would pay more attention to Mayock than Kiper.

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The Dirty Talk is reserved for the June/July dog days. (That's when no one is paying attention)

Though I would like to know what the heck a Dirty Sanchez is.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The "country", as it is advertised, we see today is nothing more than pop. I'll compromise and call it pop-country, but that's tough to do…And all of it pretty much sucks.

Posted by: TheTruth11

Amen. Or as Alan Jackson put it in “Murder on Music Row":

“For the steel guitars no longer cry
And the fiddles barely play
But drums and rock 'n' roll guitars
Are mixed up in your face
Ol' Hank wouldn't have a chance
On today's radio
Since they committed murder
Down on music row”

Posted by: TheCork | April 7, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Will - I too am liking Mayock.

I prefer Mel over McShay, though.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Though I would like to know what the heck a Dirty Sanchez is.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Its kind of like a milk moustache......

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Well, a chocolate milk moustache.....

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

4th, both those things are on wikipedia. But I want to confirm your statement ... where you said you would "like" to know what the heck that means. After you find out, I don't think you will like it.

I've been away ... what is the conventional wisdom up here about which OTs will be available at #13 and what is the conventional wisdom about the ranking of OTs in the draft?

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Most kids laugh when you play Brown's music--then they get real quiet and groove right along without acknowledging the rhythm and the greatness: maybe that's because they don't hear it too often in what they like to know what it is.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Crank up Bo Diddley for them sometime.

Posted by: TheCork | April 7, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

not chocolate milk ... milk chocolate

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I wish Snyder would pay more attention to Mayock than Kiper.
Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009

Scouts Inc., ratings appear to be better than both. They seem to do fairly well at digging up those really excellent off-the-radar choices. Without the expensive scouting trips to combines, pro days, et al.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

sorry forgot there are a bunch of halo bearers up here...

surely talking about extreme (and vile) sexual acts are way worse than throwing around a bunch of empty, bitter, and lame insults back and forth because one blogger has the 'skins trading the 13th pick, while the other has them drafting one of the USC LBs...

Or we can talk about how Jay Cutler is better than Jason Campbell....

No, no, - lets discuss how much better Desean Jackson was than Kelly or Thomas...

What about which LT in the draft can play RT for the 'skins....

We could always talk about how much Snyder and Cerrato scew up the Washington Redskins.

I'm sorry but given the repetitious conversation that can be had up here at times, every now and then I'd prefer to discuss somehting out of the ordinary.

I guess the older you get, the more stuck in the ways you become. It's cool not to blather Washington f'n Redskins from the time you arrive at work until the time you leave, Bean.

Put your whistle and mace away. Your flashlight isn't necessary either, officer.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I didn't start this, but I feel like I need to "report abuse" on myself.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I didn't start this, but I feel like I need to "report abuse" on myself.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I cringe. I cringe.

Sween - We're not drafting OTs at #13. Keep it moving....

(All the good ones will be gone by then)

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/william-beatty?id=71199

Beatty Has my approval, though.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm ... hope those women weren't eating corn and asparagus.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Red ... don't tase me, bro!

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"...what is the conventional wisdom up here about which OTs will be available at #13 and what is the conventional wisdom about the ranking of OTs in the draft?"

Posted by: dcsween


see whatimsayin'...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry but given the repetitious conversation that can be had up here at times, every now and then I'd prefer to discuss somehting out of the ordinary.

I guess the older you get, the more stuck in the ways you become. It's cool not to blather Washington f'n Redskins from the time you arrive at work until the time you leave, Bean.

Put your whistle and mace away. Your flashlight isn't necessary either, officer.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 4:17 PM


This is obviously you're 1st offseason with us.

The real jibba-jabba starts AFTER the draft. Like I said, convos will get whacky during summer.

Pace yourself young man from the V of DMV and Va of DelMarVa....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Kiper sounds like "BenchCampbell" ... wonder if he and Vinny chat often?

Redskins need to find help for QB Campbell

The Redskins (No. 13) won the offseason -- again. They signed DT Albert Haynsworth and are paying him more than $10 million a year. But no matter how much you pay him, he can't play quarterback. That's Jason Campbell's job.

"It's all about Jason Campbell in my opinion," Kiper said. "Jason Campbell is the guy they thought would be the next Doug Williams. He's shown flashes of brilliance, but he has not been consistent."

So here's the laundry list of things Campbell needs to improve upon: "More assertive, more of a passion for the game, more leadership, more enthusiasm." Phew, that's quite a few things. But Kiper said, "It's not about ability; it's about the intangibles." (Hmm, sounds a lot like Cutler.)

But this draft isn't about replacing Campbell, who is still the man in Washington. Instead, it's about helping him. Last year, the Redskins drafted Michigan State receiver Devin Thomas in the first round, but he has not been productive thus far. Also, second year receiver Malcolm Kelly needs to step it up, too.

This year, they may opt to get help on the offensive line. A good pick would be right tackle Andre Smith out of Alabama, who was once projected by some as the top player in the draft. But Smith tumbled down draft boards after off-field problems.

However, if they choose to address their defense, the Redskins will look to find help at defensive end and outside linebacker. A great pick at this spot would be DE Aaron Maybin from Penn State, a defensive end.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Red ... I'll just mosy along then ... getting back to work ... never mind ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Sween, I was typing that post (4:17) when you had posted your question at 4:14.

I can't type that much, that fast. But no, feel free to discuss whatever you like. May I suggest you get in touch with Beanie, and I'm sure he'll out line every damn LT in the draft and what are their prospects of switching to RT for the 'skins.

----------------------------------

I mean, it seems for the most part all of us are adults here on RI, most kids would prefer to blog on other sites or actually look at what was being discussed.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

QB controversy is par for the course, but with unstable teams (like our wonderful Skins) it's pathological. Cutler felt unwanted in Denver, and cried like a baby. JC17 and about 5 other QBs who were on the block for Cutler over the past week might feel unwanted as well.

In stable organizations like Philly, a McNabb plays like crap and is benched. Humiliating? Sure. But when a coach and QB have been together for 10 years, they develop a relationship that can overcome adversity. And they did, reaching the NFC Championship together. Now there's no meddlesome management interference. No trade threats. Just a stable coach and his long-term players bouncing back.

One day, Snyder will leave a young coach and a young QB in place long enough to develop such a relationship and the resiliance that comes with it. And when they have ups and downs in their first season together but show promise, he won't become like some of the reactionary fans at RI and start pining for every other teams' coaches and QBs.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Beatty wouldn't be a bad pick, but he is ranked # 6 by Scouts which probably means he might be gone by the middle of the 2nd round.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Ha! Classic Red, love it and agree......

Take your chastity belt of Bean....jeesh....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 7, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"S"orry "J"acks "K"ids should be changed to Sorry Beantown's Virgin Eyes: SBVE

Posted by: chrislarry | April 7, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

yeah, my bad...what was I thinking....cl, I'm back to goose-stepping like you prefer....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 7, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

DRAFT ANDRE SMITH

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

redmv, that's what i meant by only liking rhiana...i don't listen to else cuz i don't like the rest. don't know anyone name wayne or baby or whatever. laffy taffy laffy taffy don't make an artist. so that was flo-rida? nice. rhiana had more than one song. i actually have 4 of her songs on my listening device by apple and that i love i love i love you song...nothing else current.

no i don't listen to radio much for music...maybe in the middle of the night on a weekend i'll listen to 99.5(?)...don't like anything on 95.5/93.9/92.3 anymore...all foreign to me.

Posted by: dealer1 | April 7, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

periculum, Mel Kiper doesn't seem like a fan of Jay Cutler, either.

Kiper likes Cassel over Stafford, Sanchez:

“He [Cassell] looked like he should have been the No. 1 overall pick in the draft. It’s amazing. To watch him play this year, if he would have been the No. 1 pick in the draft, people would have been very happy with the way he’s playing right now,” Kiper said.
“He came out the same year the other three quarterbacks did [Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell] and right now he’s better than those other three – and I’m including [Jay] Cutler in that. I would rather have Cassel than Cutler. So, to me, I think Cassel is more than worthy of being a guy that the Kansas City Chiefs or Detroit Lions go after. He’s played to the level of a No. 1 pick overall this year.”

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

So hysterical, reacting to your own orders by feeling persecuted.....text book....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 7, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

sigh. If he's there then feel free to yell for Andre. Wouldn't hold my breath tho....

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

4th, that's what's up...

Well i should've keep that status quo and continued to fall back...

I can't break down all 300+ players that were selected to work out at the combine... It's boring after the first 500 times discussing it, it's humdrum, and stale.

Hell I was even digging the metal/rock/Country f'n music post today...

I'll check ya mf's after the draft. Hopefully the giddiness over the draft would've left some by then. One.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

OK OK....I will go hang myself, hold my breath till I pass out, sit in the car with the engine running in the garage......

Posted by: chrislarry | April 7, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

has Jason Campbell ever even thrown for 300 yards?


and the dude has started 36 games people. Since he became starter in 06, the only games he's missed were when he was injured, didn't the other QB go 4-1?

what are yall watching? "Okay" at best!!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"by feeling persecuted"

yeah, not wanting to hear about someone having fecal matter smeared on their face, on a Washington Redskins Blog...thats my bad, cl, don't know what I was thinking....stay classy as always....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 7, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Does Jasno have a second job somewhere occupying his time?

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes he has thrown for 300 yds (4x in fact) but it took him an avg of 44 passes to do it.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 7, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

22-year old baseball phenom Jordan Schaffer of the ATLANTA BRAVES is balling :


"Jordan Schafer became the first player in baseball history to homer in his first major-league plate appearance on opening day against the defending World Champions...One other player did that in his major-league debut, though not in his first time to the plate...The Cubs’ Roberto Pena homered in his first game in the majors, in his second at-bat, off Bob Gibson of the defending champion Cardinals in the 1965 season opener (April 12 at Wrigley Field). "


that's pretty darned cool!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

following your classy lead as always beantown, I have been off the blog a few days....how many times you called for someones' suicide over a disagreement about RT?

Posted by: chrislarry | April 7, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

so when did CL vs. greg start? and when did TT and redmv start having normal conversations? dang!

lh, i hate your coach. he makes me want to root for duke.

Posted by: dealer1 | April 7, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

DRAFT ANDRE SMITH
Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009

We can only hope. Minimally the running game should improve dramatically. Portis would be out of excuses.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"most kids would prefer to blog on other sites or actually look at what was being discussed.

Posted by: RedDMV"

I can't fathom a person in the world that would prefer to look at what was being disgust...er, discussed earlier.

(wait, you were referring to 2 Girls, 1 Cup, right?)

That was the most heinous thing I've ever seen. I'm gagging right now simply thinking about it.

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

none actually....really missed you being gone.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 7, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Is this a bad time to talk about scat backs?

Posted by: 4-12 | April 7, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"periculum, Mel Kiper doesn't seem like a fan of Jay Cutler, either.

Kiper likes Cassel over Stafford, Sanchez:'

Yes, I know. Excluding Kiper and using the Scouts Inc., QB rating algorithm Cassel, Sanchez, Campbell, Colt Brennan, and Leftwich rate much, much higher.

They base it on lack of mistakes NOT TD passes
(TD passes INT ratio) or 300 yard games compared to number of starts and the competition.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Red, if you're into poop, that's cool ... let your freak flag fly. As for being an mf, I guess if you say it, I'm just going to have to go f my m.

I haven't been around in a while and was thinking you all might have solved the world's problems while I was away ... or at least narrowed down the preference polls on a first round pick ... no one expects this place to ever agree on anything ... other than not wanting Jim Fassel to be head coach.

Ah, not having a head coach ... those were glorious days (actually, now that I think about it, weeks)...

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Tank Johnson to the Bengals. It just didn't work out in Dallas for him.

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Based on applying ESPN's algorithm to Colt Brennan (they already applied it to Campbell and Leftwich) if the Redskins did acquire Leftwich they would have the equivalent of 3 high 1st round pick QBs. In other words, Brennan (from College) does rate out as another "Tom Brady", but so does Campbell.

Albeit Leftwich is closer to Brady as the Campbell and Brennan are far more mobile.

In the end its all about providing the right kind of supporting cast, (as the Patriots did) for these quarterbacks not discarding them.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

4-12, number 3 on the way here...anyday now...

Posted by: dealer1 | April 7, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't think red was actually endorsing the poopage material as much as commenting on the surprising fact that it exists at all.

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

dealer, chRIs lARry v. Greg(boston) is old as the hills ... its a brooklyn moxie v. upcoastnewengland thing. [It came up initially in one past offseason ... something about women, mothers, working, something like that).

So I missed the OT stuff, but ever since that guard from Virginia (now on the Cheeves), the sexiest first round pick in my eyes is now and forever any offensive lineman. I never want to see a team I'm rooting for go for a "skill" position again (unless its a first pick with the dominance of someone like Calvin Johnson).

4-12 ... did you have to butt in on that one? Butt of jokes ... joke of butts ... something about that gag where you pull out someone's stool ... [there's a quip in there somewhere ... just not hitting from the three point line today ...]

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

dealer, do what you gotta. Between the Lions (stole this from BG) and the dookies your fall and winter are going to be sadder than necessary.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 7, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

hard hitting stuff...way to go JLC

Posted by: jonthefisherman | April 7, 2009 10:05 AM

lol...I second that, what great INSIDER info...brilliant,genius!!!

Posted by: gre28man72 | April 7, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

My nephew (13 years old BTW) and his buddy mentioned the "two girls, one cup" video the other day. Geez, I wasn't exposed to that kind of crap (pun intended) until I was in the Navy. I weep for the future... Armageddon is upon us...
Speaking of Dan Snyder...

Posted by: tripz | April 7, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell rarely HAS TO throw for over 300 yards, because the Skins have a productive running game...

Posted by: siris | April 7, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"just not hitting from the three point line today ..."

I guess it sort of goes with the territory you being a Spartan and all.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 7, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I'll check ya mf's after the draft. Hopefully the giddiness over the draft would've left some by then. One.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 7, 2009 4:43 PM


You'll be back by tonight at the latest. Even if you don't post........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

MICHAEL OHER OT first, MARCUS FREEMAN LB fifth, CORNELIUS LEWIS OG sixth, GREG TOLER CB seventh, MARK SANCHEZ, first with first round trade of JASON CAMPBELL and third round pick in 2009 and second and fourth round in 2010.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 7, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell rarely HAS TO throw for over 300 yards, because the Skins have a productive running game...

Posted by: siris | April 7, 2009 5:15 PM

Huh?

The Redskins offense was 19th in the league last year. They were 8th in running and they were 23rd in passing.

Now for the Redskins offense to get better than 19th, would you think they had to get more passing yards or get more running yards?

Your statement would make sense if they were in the top ten in offense but with the 19th offense and 23rd passing game, Jason Campbell should start throwing for 300 yards more often.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 7, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

hard hitting stuff...way to go JLC

Posted by: jonthefisherman | April 7, 2009 10:05 AM

lol...I second that, what great INSIDER info...brilliant, genius!!!
Posted by: gre28man72


You know fellas, once you learn to master the interweb, you can actually go to and read other reporters and websites instead of whining about this one. Altho, I’m sure JLC appreciates the hits.

Posted by: TheCork | April 7, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Jamon Meredith OT SC is another guy they should consider. Brandt lists him above Eben Britton. Excellent intangibles, good speed (4.9), agility, strength, long arms like Andre Smith. Better pass blocker than on the run. Improvement possible with good coaching.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

You'll be back by tonight at the latest. Even if you don't post........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 5:17 PM

THIS is "THE" truth ... this is the curse of RI.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

MARK SANCHEZ, first with first round trade of JASON CAMPBELL and third round pick in 2009 and second and fourth round in 2010.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 7, 2009

Never happen. Colt is probably just as good as Sanchez. They need a young veteran not another rookie which is why Leftwich seems like a perfect fit. The guy fits the Skins because he is another local. And because he brings a different style of play along with his experience.

Stop with the Jason Campbell trades ... doing anything along those lines would only lead to at least 2 or more years of picking close to the top of draft. Which hasn't helped now has it?

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE PEOPLE - Stop asking for draft picks for campbell or to trade down for more picks...You soon forget that we have a no-nothing dimwit as a "GM' in Vinny so getting more picks will just give him more picks to fail with. It is usually atractive to receive any extra picks unless you are clueless on who(m)to pick. And don't throw Horton at me as an example because what did Vinny's nine other picks that couldn't get on the field do??? Even a blind squirrell finds an acorn now and then!! What we as fans need to do is demand Dannyboy get a real football GM and stay out of his way. Unless our beloved skins do that, we are doomed to be just like the cowturds and raiders who have "non-football" guys picking their teams and any success is basically luck. giving Vinny more picks is like giving AIG bailout money. They either don't know the right thing to do or refuse to do it, arrogently thinking they got it figured out... For all the money thrown at players good or bad, it would have been alot more successful and cheaper just to hire a real GM and let him do his job...The front office here is a discrace and will never succeed under the current set up...NEVER !!! i am a diehard skins fan but i am a realist first! That is true need of this football organization, not more players and picks choosen by these two men...

Posted by: klangley69 | April 7, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

what you talk about LH?! i'm not a lions fan and i'm not a duke fan. i'm a terp thru and thru and a skins fan. :) don't you forget it. greg is an old whiny fart. just playing greg...

sween, i didn't know about the mother,working, women feud...brooklyn/beantown i understand...makes sense...

Posted by: dealer1 | April 7, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand, thanks for that ...

I don't care if its apple or cherry, I dont' think I'm going to be able to eat another turnover for a long time.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell rarely HAS TO throw for over 300 yards, because the Skins have a productive running game...

Posted by: siris | April 7, 2009 5:15 PM

...and we rarely can win more than 9 games because of it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Even a blind squirrell finds an acorn now and then!!

Posted by: klangley69 | April 7, 2009 5:43 PM |

Exactly why we need more picks, if Vinny got 1 out of 10, what are the chances of him getting 1 with only 4?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

i've never seen two girls and a cup before...what the hell is in that movie? all of my firends seen it but and there seems to be a code of silence...where whoever watches the movie can't divulge what's in the movie...

Posted by: dealer1 | April 7, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

MICHAEL OHER OT first, MARCUS FREEMAN LB fifth, CORNELIUS LEWIS OG sixth, GREG TOLER CB seventh, MARK SANCHEZ, first with first round trade of JASON CAMPBELL and third round pick in 2009 and second and fourth round in 2010.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 7, 2009 5:26 PM

Yow, and I thought Snyder likes to get us fleeced! Please don't tell me you actually believe a rookie QB would actually start for the Skins. I could be wrong, I but I think Sammy Baugh was the last rookie QB to enter the season projected as a Skins starter.

Don't forget, the Broncos got the Skins 1st, 3rd, and 4th round picks in 2006 to give us the Broncos first (25th overall) pick in 2005--which we used on JC17.

The Broncos then drafted Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall the next year with that multitude of picks. It would have been oddly fitting if Snyder given up a handful more of 1st round picks for Jay Cutler, wouldn't it? Then Cutler would have ultimately cost us what, about 4 first round picks (2 this year, the one in 2005, and the one in 2006), a second, third, and 4th... that would explain why we have no linemen and midget receivers!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

what the hell is in that movie?


Imagine a chili mudpie casserole gone horribly wrong.....

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

what the hell is in that movie?

Perhaps a dookie parfait being shared amongst friends is a more accurate description. Let's just leave it at that.

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Trust me, it's better if you DON'T know...you'll sleep better without knowing.

Posted by: tripz | April 7, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Michael Johnson has the longest neck I've ever seen. Honestly, he looks like the Lombardi trophy.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80fa1976&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell rarely HAS TO throw for over 300 yards, because the Skins have a productive running game...

Posted by: siris | April 7, 2009

...and we rarely can win more than 9 games because of it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2009

Unless you have Christian Adolph Jurgenson at quarterback and don't need a running attack your quarterback most often throws for over 300 yards because your teams has fallen way behind. Even the great Sonny Jurgenson needed a running attack and a defense to finally win some games.

Sheesh this blog has way too many people who don't sheeeeiit from shinola.

You don't select quarterbacks based on TDs and gaudy yardage. You select them based on their propensity to make mistakes. That is how most every successful team in the league does it. PERIOD!

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Kansas City is looking to trade #3,leaving Curry or Monroe just sitting their ripe for the plucking.I would find that hard to resist because WE are closer I believe than many think.We were 3-o against the teams playing in the nfc championship.Only problem is we have no picks to trade.If they would take next years 2nd I say do it.

Posted by: mark65 | April 7, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Is this a bad time to talk about scat backs?
Posted by: 4-12 | April 7, 2009

Check the roster. Vinny signed 2.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Can we afford to sign a really high pick?

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I just had this horrible mental image of Vinny and Danny doing the 1 cup.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 7, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

but really, is Phil Loadholt expected to drop to the third? If so, I think we could go LB/DE in the first and pick him in the third. He'll be solid at worst I think.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 7, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I've said before on here. Loadholt May become a starter in a year or two, but he is not ready to start now. We need to hope that one of the top 4 is available, to get a starter at T this year.

There will be LB's that can start in the 3rd round. Let's get a starter at RT.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 7, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm a little worried our FO is gonna try and squeeze another year out of Jansen/Heyer. Just a feeling.

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Raji To Visit Redskins
by Ed Thompson of ScoutNFLNetwork.com
Scheduled for April 15-16. Then he'll go to Cleveland.

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Santana in 2008
first 7 games, 658 yards, 5 TDs

then he tweaks his hammy

8 games, 386 yards, 1 TD

Give Jason Campbell a healthy WR and a decent OL and he produces. Even when his #3 WR is James Thrash.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez is coming back for a SECOND time on April 17!!

As previously reported by Scout.com, Sanchez had a private workout with Washington on March 25. Team officials were obviously impressed by what they saw.

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Has Danny got a new man-crush on Josh McD and wants to show him he can piss off a QB just as good as he can?????

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts on today's blog:

JLa: I hope Cindy isn't reading it
Cindy: I knew the posters were a bunch of perverts
Vinny: I knew the posters were a bunch of perverts
Danny: Vinny, put on that Dirty Sanchez for me
Zeke: There really is too much information out there

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Michael Johnson has the longest neck I've ever seen. Honestly, he looks like the Lombardi trophy.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80fa1976&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: will_ga

HAH!!!!!! Great find, Great call!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

HAH!!!!!! Great find, Great call!!!
Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 7:30

Thank you, I've had entirely too much free time on my hands today!

Posted by: will_ga | April 7, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know what happened to Durant Brooks after the Skins released him? Did you get picked up by anyone last season? Is he still trying to make it in the league?

Posted by: jettaone | April 7, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 7, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

How many yards per game did Campbell throw for when the Skins were 6-2?

The answer is 220 yds/game:

WK      Date 	Opp 	 Result 	G 	GS 	Comp 	Att 	Pct 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	Int 	Sck 	SckY 	Rate 	Att 	Yds 	Avg 	TD 	FUM 	Lost
1 	09/04 	@ NYG 	L   7-16 	1 	1 	15 	27 	55.6 	133 	4.9 	1 	0 	1 	8 	81.2 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	-- 	--
2 	09/14 	NO 	W   29-24 	1 	1 	24 	36 	66.7 	321 	8.9 	1 	0 	2 	15 	104.1 	3 	1 	0.3 	0 	-- 	--
3 	09/21 	ARI 	W   24-17 	1 	1 	22 	30 	73.3 	193 	6.4 	2 	0 	2 	17 	112.2 	4 	26 	6.5 	0 	-- 	--
4 	09/28 	@ DAL 	W   26-24 	1 	1 	20 	31 	64.5 	231 	7.5 	2 	0 	2 	11 	108.4 	4 	3 	0.8 	0 	-- 	--
5 	10/05 	@ PHI 	W   23-17 	1 	1 	16 	29 	55.2 	176 	6.1 	0 	0 	1 	9 	73.3 	6 	14 	2.3 	0 	-- 	--
6 	10/12 	STL 	L   17-19 	1 	1 	18 	26 	69.2 	208 	8.0 	0 	0 	4 	21 	93.1 	2 	19 	9.5 	0 	1 	0
7 	10/19 	CLE 	W   14-11 	1 	1 	14 	23 	60.9 	164 	7.1 	1 	0 	1 	6 	97.0 	2 	1 	0.5 	0 	-- 	--
8 	10/26 	@ DET 	W   25-17 	1 	1 	23 	28 	82.1 	328 	11.7 	1 	0 	3 	24 	127.4 	3 	-2 	-0.7 	0 	2 	1

Portis had five 100 yd+ games in that span, with two more games over 85yds.... Hence my comment that Campbell doesn't need to throw for 300+ yds/game for the Skins to win -- when the running game is productive.

Although I agree with everyone 100% that if Campbell progresses to the point where he did throw for more than 300 yds/game, then the Skins should win more games...

Hopefully the team will be able to accomplish that goal with a greater understanding of the offense, improved WR play, and a healthy OL.

Posted by: siris | April 7, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Michael Johnson has the longest neck I've ever seen. Honestly, he looks like the Lombardi trophy.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80fa1976&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: will_ga

He looks like one of those Rock-em Sock'em Robots after they lose, and the head pops up.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know what happened to Durant Brooks after the Skins released him? Did you get picked up by anyone last season? Is he still trying to make it in the league?

Posted by: jettaone | April 7, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse
He's on the Packer's roster right now.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 7, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know what happened to Durant Brooks after the Skins released him? Did you get picked up by anyone last season? Is he still trying to make it in the league?

Posted by: jettaone | April 7, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse
He's on the Packer's roster right now.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 7, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse
He was on GB's practice squad after he left Skins. But after season, practice squad players become part of regular squad.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 7, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

siris: "Hence my comment that Campbell doesn't need to throw for 300+ yds/game for the Skins to win -- when the running game is productive.Although I agree with everyone 100% that if Campbell progresses to the point where he did throw for more than 300 yds/game, then the Skins should win more games... "

WHich brings us to issue of what happened to the SKins running game during the second half. Was it the injuries to the O-line, to Portis, or was it something to do with the scheme? Or all those?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 7, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

siris

Excellent post, re: "How many yards a game..."

220 yards is great.

But this season, he'll have to crank out a more than a couple of 300 plus, multiple touchdown performances to get paid.

And if I'm him, I'd rationalize that in terms of ball protection, fumbles are bad, but INTs where you're being aggressive and hope your wide receiver makes a play might not be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

siris, your chart screwed up the the site (good info, though). Now it looks funny in my browser. We need a new thread!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

samson151

'... what happened to the SKins running game during the second half. Was it the injuries to the O-line, to Portis, or was it something to do with the scheme? do with the scheme?...'

This makes you wish you had the coach's tape.

But because we don't, let's guess.

I'd say teams stacked the box, jammed Cooley to take away the tight end play action dump off, run blitzed to Samuels/Kendell's side (remember: the skins were a left-handed running team), and dared Zorn and Campbell to beat them with the passing game.

And it worked.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

truth

Your Braves had better be on the lookout for the Florida Marlins.

They seem to be World Series ready every 5-6 years (if they add a money player this summer, look out!)- and they are crushing the sorry Nationals with runs.

Bet they take the NL East.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

"I'd say teams stacked the box, jammed Cooley to take away the tight end play action dump off, run blitzed to Samuels/Kendell's side (remember: the skins were a left-handed running team), and dared Zorn and Campbell to beat them with the passing game."

I'd make one change. They doubled Moss much more so than Cooley (Cooley actually had more receptions in the 2nd half of the season, though it was relatively even -- 43 vs. 40), then dared Campbell/Zorn to beat them using ARE, Thomas, Kelly and Thrash. And that's when the passing game fell apart.

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

The Sanchez workout was a smokescreen.Vinny I believe "thank god if I'm right"wants Orakpo,followed by A.Smith.He wants the quarterbacks to go before 13 leaving more groceries available to him.By the way if we get Leftwich for a min. contract that is a steal,he's better than several starters in the league.

Posted by: mark65 | April 7, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

So here's the laundry list of things Campbell needs to improve upon: "More assertive, more of a passion for the game, more leadership, more enthusiasm." ...

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 4:23 PM

Interesting point of view. Here's a couple more things to add to your "laundry list":

1. Better mechanics. Better throwing mechanics, less wasted motion and time getting the ball airborne. Better footwork in three-step drops.
2. More accurate throws. Hitting receivers in stride so that they get more "yards after catch". Throwing into tight coverage when necessary.
3. Quicker defensive scheme recognition and reaction. Better judgement in picking the checkdown option most likely to succeed, given what scheme the defense is in.
4. More ambiguation in what is presented to the defense. Less "staring down the intended target" stuff.
5. More of a "striving to succeed" than a "fear of failure" attitude. Try more challenging and difficult passing plays to stretch the offense and give the defense more to worry about. Less of the "short passes to wide open receivers" no risk, no reward stuff. There may be bumps along the way but sometimes that is the price that has to be paid to achieve breakthrough improvement. Peyton Manning led the league in interceptions his first year, but he was able to break through to become an elite QB.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 7, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I'd make one change. They doubled Moss much more so than Cooley (Cooley actually had more receptions in the 2nd half of the season, though it was relatively even -- 43 vs. 40), then dared Campbell/Zorn to beat them using ARE, Thomas, Kelly and Thrash. And that's when the passing game fell apart.

Posted by: psps23 | April 7, 2009 8:22 PM |

They didn't double Moss at the line of scrimmage. He was only doubled on deep routes. One option is to use him in curl or out patterns with three step drop, quick release plays. But it helps if ARE, Thrash and Thomas are credible threats on their own.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 7, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

And if I'm him, I'd rationalize that in terms of ball protection, fumbles are bad, but INTs where you're being aggressive and hope your wide receiver makes a play might not be.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Its the coaches that are telling Campbell, "if its not there, don't throw a pick". From a game strategy perspective, it makes sense. From a development as a passer perspective, throwing the ball into tight spaces helps you to grow as a passer more.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Interesting point of view. Here's a couple more things to add to your "laundry list": ...
Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 7, 2009

Its not mine, its Mel Kiper's and that's actually what's interesting about it.

Given that Kiper's 2008 draft analysis lists Kelly, Thomas, and Davis as his "top 5 wide receivers". Plus, now this 'laundry list', given its verbage and timing ...

Appears to indicate the Vinny and Mel Kiper chat a lot on the phone. Something for our vaunted detectives Jason Reid, JLC, and Cindy to find out more about.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

hmmm come to think about it ...

Could Snidely be chatting with Mel?

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

They didn't double Moss at the line of scrimmage. He was only doubled on deep routes. One option is to use him in curl or out patterns with three step drop, quick release plays. But it helps if ARE, Thrash and Thomas are credible threats on their own.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

Once Moss tweaked his hammy, he became pretty ordinary. I look at Moss as two players. The fully healthy Moss is among the 10 best WRs in the game. The tweaked hammy version of Moss is ARE. No need to double that guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

'...The Sanchez workout was a smokescreen....'

I hope so.

But if the team is going to ignore its needs at tackle and slb, I hope the 'mistake' is for a player like Crabtree/Harvin/Maclin.

Anyone who can command the defense's attention opposite Moss/Cooley will be as much of a benefit as a new blocker or tackler.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Sigh ... double sigh ... looky looky I got a cookie ...

Sep 14 NO 24 @ WAS 29
Jason Campbell
321 Yds (WAS)

Oct 26 WAS 25 @ DET 17
Jason Campbell
328 Yds (WAS)

Campbell did have 2 300 yard plus games in 2 games that did end up being close.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Interesting considering the source...

"If Roy Williams doesn't turn out to be the player that they thought he would be when they made the trade, I think this would be one of the biggest busts in the history of the league," Aikman said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4050759

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 7, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Its the coaches that are telling Campbell, "if its not there, don't throw a pick". From a game strategy perspective, it makes sense. From a development as a passer perspective, throwing the ball into tight spaces helps you to grow as a passer more.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009

Threading the needle is generally something you do if you must ... if you are behind. Most of the great QBs, guys like Jurgenson, Marino, and Elway were masters of the deep out sideline pass. No one can intercept and the receiver if open can cruise down the side line.

No one throws into double/triple coverage without paying for it in today's NFL with corners and safeties who run 4.3 40's and less.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

'...The fully healthy Moss is among the 10 best WRs in the game...'

Got a question: when is his contract up?

Do we have a guy who can step in should his hammy get 'tweaked' at the wrong time this upcoming season?

Again: these realities make the 'mistake' of taking another speedy wideout at 13 not too bad of an idea.

Because of the depth, we can snag a lineman/'backer with the 3rd and 4th round picks and still get a quality player.

But a one of a kind speed guy would be a reach I'd gladly accept.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

scout.com had Thomas, Davis, and Kelly as #16, #20, and #17 overall -- and all rated as "five-star" prospects. The only other WR/TE that was rated five-star was Mario Manningham.

Now, you can argue that this is evidence that scout.com is the skippy of drafting (or maybe the Vinnie of drafting is more appropriate), but you've got to start somewhere. I don't have much opinion on Kiper one way or the other (nice hair, I suppose).

The main point would be that -- while you'd like to have seen a lot more production -- you should be able to wrap your head around the decisions they made. I don't know whether Thomas will ever be better than DeSean Jackson, but it's not a stretch to understand the choice.

Posted by: daggar | April 7, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Good to see skins fans like some damn good metal. Meshuggah, Gojira, TOol, LOG, and Sepultura are some of the best ever. not to mention high on fire. much respect yall

Posted by: anonymous35 | April 7, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

scout.com had Thomas, Davis, and Kelly as #16, #20, and #17 overall -- and all rated as "five-star" prospects. The only other WR/TE that was rated five-star was Mario Manningham.
Posted by: daggar | April 7, 2009

I could see drafting one of Thomas or Kelly, prolly Thomas because of Kelly's history of injuries. BUT ALL THREE? In the second round? Three out of five of Mel's best WR list?

I don't see it. I see drafting one, plus maybe a sleeper later on.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Moe -

I just don't think we can spend a first round pick on the same position we spent two seconds last year, and another second at TE - especially for depth. It's not unusual for receivers to take a year or two, so let's let them develop. One of those WR draft picks has to step up this year.

We desperately need O line starters, LB starters and DE's. We are also dangerously thin at corner.

We just have to bite the bullet and commit to building dominance at the lines again.

Posted by: edvar | April 7, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

chad (austin tx): from what you have heard, what prospects is Dallas excited about that is within their drafting range of the 2nd and 3rd rounds. i'd like to see louis delmas or one of those big boys on the oklahoma offensive line in dallas next year.

SportsNation Matt Mosley: I think "one of those big boys" is a tackle named Phil Loadholt. I know the Cowboys love his enormous size and he's fairly athletic for a guy that huge. You bring a really good name in Delmas. Kid played at Western Michigan. Cowboys are in love iwth him and are hoping he's there in the second round. I also like Robiskie a lot in the second round. Don't rule him out.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Did you know...

James Harrison, Willie Parker, Rod Smith, Tony Romo, Priest Holmes and Antonio Gates were all undrafted free agents?

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 7, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

edvar

I agree with everything you say.

But again: if the redskins were a team that drafted for need, Sam Baker--and not Fred Davis--would be a Washington Redskin player right now.

They would've found a way to add Philip Merling last year.

But they didn't.

And given the wacky thinking that fuels the team's draft process, adding a quarterback only pours more oil in the water: that's why my hope is that maybe they see a versitile speed guy as an out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "But again: if the redskins were a team that drafted for need, Sam Baker--and not Fred Davis--would be a Washington Redskin player right now.They would've found a way to add Philip Merling last year."

Maybe. Sam Baker was sliding as a prospect before the draft last season, because scouts thought of him as big and soft. He played well this past season but might tail off this year. I suspect he's a left tackle, not a run blocker.

Philip Merling was a stay-at-home DE, which they didn't see as a need at draft time last year, since both Daniels and Evans were hale.

Let's face it, we're operating from hindsight. Vinny's moves were widely praised after the draft -- especially 'drafting for need' in terms of a couple big wide receivers. The TE selection was questioned, and rightly so, since there was an all-pro already in the fold.

We like to criticize GMs for their mistakes, but when it comes to the draft,most teams make a lot of them.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 7, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I just read on scout.com that Raji is scheduled to visit the skins April 15*16. Two days of sit down with this FO so close to the draft. Looks like the skinshave zeroed in on him as a possibility at #13. They must feel that he'll be in striking rnage based on their draft board.

Posted by: TWISI | April 7, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

We desperately need O line starters, LB starters and DE's. We are also dangerously thin at corner.

We just have to bite the bullet and commit to building dominance at the lines again.

Posted by: edvar | April 7, 2009

Concur completely. But Moe is right given Snidely's expanding role (as with Spurrier) his
focus is usually on skill players starting with quarterback.

When has Snidely drafted a lineman first unless it was due to Casserly's cajoling? I think Arrington and Samuels qualify as the last two at the beginning of the millennium.

If Davis becomes the tight end then Cooley will move into the role of possession receiver. Moss, Thomas, Kelly (if he isn't on the IR) will be the downfield targets. ARE I think eventually is gone in this case, unless he wants to catch passes out of the backfield. They do need someone who can do that and run ...

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't see it. I see drafting one, plus maybe a sleeper later on.

Eh, look at where they were mid-2007; picking up WRs from the waiver wire on Tuesday to see if they could start on Sunday. Bottom line is that they thought they were getting a steal at #34 with the #1 or #2 WR on their board (Donnie Avery went just before Thomas), then the only five-star TE is available at #48 (or they could've taken the #10 ranked OL or #11 DL), and then another elite athlete (with perhaps some questions on the knee) at #51.
The Kelly pick is an interesting one. They could pick Davis thinking "the next two teams (Philly and Arizona) are already pretty well stocked on DLine. We should be able to get Calais Campbell at #51, and as an added benefit we take Fred Davis away from Philly, who really need an upgrade at TE".
[Of course, this is idle, uninformed speculation. And I know that no one Up Here gives Vinnie an iota of credit for thinking like a chess player. Lest you argue too much, consider the source is some anonymous guy on the internet that can't even spell his name right.]

Posted by: daggar | April 7, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"James Harrison, Willie Parker, Rod Smith, Tony Romo, Priest Holmes and Antonio Gates were all undrafted free agents?Posted by: all_star_0013 |"

Tells you something about the supposed draft geniuses in NFL front offices, doesn't it?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 7, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

'...They do need someone who can do that and run ...'


And again: I know I say it too much and he'll never be our guy, but I'd love to see Harvin in a redskins jersey next season.

He has a back's size with blazing speed quickness and hands...but, alas, too much bromance on my part will mean some team like the panthas or falcons will slip him on their roster, and he'll be another Reggie Bush-type player in the NFC South.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Time to roll out my Durant Brooks theory... upon which I did speculate Up Here at the time.
Brooks did get his leg dinged -- and he was going to miss a couple of weeks. His performance to date was unimpressive enough that they figured no one would pick him up, and they had a bunch of other needs at the time (holding Kelly off the IR being one of them). If they had put him on IR, he would have been lost for the season. By releasing him, letting him rehab and coming back, they could've dropped Plackemeier and continued status quo ante for the end of the season.
It's certainly possible that they could see that he just didn't have what it takes, but that would only make sense if there was someone available that was clearly better. Plackemeier is exhibit one to prove that this was not the case.
As an aside, you gotta love how the Packers, in that powerhouse NFL North, were able to stash a punter on the practice squad for half a year, and still make the playoffs.

Posted by: daggar | April 7, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

but I'd love to see Harvin in a redskins jersey next season.

I just don't see how you get him on the field enough.

Posted by: daggar | April 7, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

When has Snidely drafted a lineman first unless it was due to Casserly's cajoling? I think Arrington and Samuels qualify as the last two at the beginning of the millennium.

If Davis becomes the tight end then Cooley will move into the role of possession receiver. Moss, Thomas, Kelly (if he isn't on the IR) will be the downfield targets. ARE I think eventually is gone in this case, unless he wants to catch passes out of the backfield. They do need someone who can do that and run ...


Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Every time I check in you're saying something stupid. I can't wait to hear your lame a$$ excuse or evasion of the fact that Arrington was a linebacker not a lineman. You'll come up with something. Your complete lack of Skins knowledge and football sense in general is rather impressive.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Every time I check in you're saying something stupid. I can't wait to hear your lame a$$ excuse or evasion of the fact that Arrington was a linebacker not a lineman. You'll come up with something. Your complete lack of Skins knowledge and football sense in general is rather impressive.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2009

The Priest is channeling ... hmmmm Monster Mash goooooood ....

scampbell1975 === brown alert, another duke in his pants. Is why he is in a bad mood ... ooooh that diaper smell is appalling but those women and the single cup would love it!

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

As an aside, you gotta love how the Packers, in that powerhouse NFL North, were able to stash a punter on the practice squad for half a year, and still make the playoffs.

Posted by: daggar

did I miss something? The 6-10 Packers made the playoffs. DANG!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

College DE's often become linebackers ... because of the 3-4 the distinction seems to have blurred ...

like my eyes from that nasty smell, dude you reek!

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9426010/Botched-trade-will-put-pressure-on-Redskins


for the most part, pretty consistent with the jibba jabba up here.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975-
your wasting your time if you read his posts... Just scroll past them

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 7, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I've realized that quite sometime ago and so have most others on here but I still like to point out his complete ignorance every now and again. His responses are even better. Half the time they make no sense and the other half he tries to justify his lack of knowledge with loads of verbal diarrea.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

for the most part, pretty consistent with the jibba jabba up here.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009

Said it like it truly is ... suspect that this could be the last year for JC17, Zorn, AND tocas kisser Cerrato. Like Marvin Lewis, and Ray Rhodes, Mr. Blache will also likely say sayonara.

Unless a miracle happens at draft time ... which I doubt. Everyone is going to be on the look out for the Redskins ...

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

edvar

I agree with everything you say.

But again: if the redskins were a team that drafted for need, Sam Baker--and not Fred Davis--would be a Washington Redskin player right now.

They would've found a way to add Philip Merling last year.

But they didn't.

And given the wacky thinking that fuels the team's draft process, adding a quarterback only pours more oil in the water: that's why my hope is that maybe they see a versitile speed guy as an out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 9:57 PM

Concur completely. But Moe is right given Snidely's expanding role (as with Spurrier) his
focus is usually on skill players starting with quarterback.

When has Snidely drafted a lineman first unless it was due to Casserly's cajoling? I think Arrington and Samuels qualify as the last two at the beginning of the millennium.

If Davis becomes the tight end then Cooley will move into the role of possession receiver. Moss, Thomas, Kelly (if he isn't on the IR) will be the downfield targets. ARE I think eventually is gone in this case, unless he wants to catch passes out of the backfield. They do need someone who can do that and run ...

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 10:06 PM


I hate the fact that I think you are both right. Not that I dislike either of you, but there is a sad truth in your words re the front office methodology.

Regardless, I have to keep beating the drum for O line, LB's, DE's and Corners. Perhaps some day we will get through (to them). I'm not holding my breath, of course...

Posted by: edvar | April 7, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

ZZ, I tend to disagree with the theory that the botched trade attempt puts pressure on the Skins. I believe it puts all the pressure on Campbell. He doesn't have much going for him at this point. We tried to trade him, it APPEARS he has no trade value and is not wanted, and he ha 1 year left on a rookie contract that he hasn't done a whole lot with. Granted, his lack of production is rooted in many different causes which are not of his making BUT quarterbacks (and coaches) are always the first people to feel the heat when expectations are not met. Campbell has to play hard. He can't pull a Cutler (whiny a$$) because he has no value and he can't throw the season (not that I think JC would ever intentionally do that, I think he's way to classy for that) because he needs a contract somewhere next year. The presuure is on him, perform or play 2nd or 3rd string somewhere next year for vet minimum in yet another system with yet another coach.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

periculum:

You dweebe. Of course it will happen. CAMPBELL is not SNYDER's QB.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 7, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975-
your wasting your time if you read his posts... Just scroll past them

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 7, 2009

I've realized that quite sometime ago and so have most others on here but I still like to point out his complete ignorance every now and again. His responses are even better. Half the time they make no sense and the other half he tries to justify his lack of knowledge with loads of verbal diarrea.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2009

Sounds like verbal ... oh you can't even spell but we can smell diarrhea ... two guys one cup ...

Friggin' idiots who think that it takes 300 yard games and gaudy statistics to win ... when the Redskins went to their very first superbowl taking the opposite approach ... after many years as a free wheeling offense ... but you two miscreants wouldn't have thunk it now would you? Even with the Ravens right in front of your ... ewww what's that smell? You guys reek ...

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

periculum:
You dweebe. Of course it will happen. CAMPBELL is not SNYDER's QB.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 7, 2009

I agree. Its pretty clear now that he was all Gibbs idea. But Colt Brennan has all the swaggah and cultish following that Snidely adores. Why not order Vinnie to trade Campbell and Collins, draft Sanchez and play Colt?

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey moron, what's that got to do with Arrington being a linebacker. You don't know sh!t about sh!t and now you're the big bad resident spell checker. It's usually the jack@ss of the bunch that resorts to that type of thing, you're perfect for the job. Spell check this: yoor a phuking dooshbag more on.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Regardless, I have to keep beating the drum for O line, LB's, DE's and Corners. Perhaps some day we will get through (to them). I'm not holding my breath, of course...

Posted by: edvar | April 7, 2009

A focused, motivated Andre Smith would be just what the doctor ordered ... but that seems out of the range of possibility ... I am hopeful they will consider picking a couple of the lower ranked, but still talented tackles, (one could be converted to guard). Sad, but its the best we can hope for given GM Snidely and his sidekick Vinny. If they do use the first on something other than a tackle I think it next best used to choose another corner back with top ranked speed.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey moron, what's that got to do with Arrington being a linebacker. You don't know sh!t about sh!t and now you're the big bad resident spell checker. It's usually the jack@ss of the bunch that resorts to that type of thing, you're perfect for the job. Spell check this: yoor a phuking dooshbag more on.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2009

More proof from scrambly 1975 egg salad that ignorance is bliss.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the team will be able to accomplish that goal with a greater understanding of the offense, improved WR play, and a healthy OL.

Posted by: siris | April 7, 2009

I'd bet on Campbell handling the pressure, not just survive it but thrive on it. Unless he is injured I think you will see a new intensity and resolve. Campbell does not strike me as a quit in the 2nd half Portis.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2009 10:53 PM

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2009 11:02 PM

Well said, twice!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 7, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Well said, twice!
Posted by: Curzon417 | April 7, 2009

Priest sez:

Curse on once
Curse on twice

Or should I make it 417 times ?

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

You'll be back by tonight at the latest. Even if you don't post........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 7, 2009 5:17 PM

THIS is "THE" truth ... this is the curse of RI.

Posted by: dcsween | April 7, 2009 5:37 PM

RI is the ultimate drug. Many have posted here they were done and I have told myself I am through here, but even if I'm not posting, I'm lurking. Need that fix!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 7, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes folks: it's getting down to slim pickings in this blog.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009

Perhaps they can find out whether Snidely and/or Vinnie have chats with Mel Kiper? Probably wrong, but it sure looks that way to me.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

RI is the ultimate drug. Many have posted here they were done and I have told myself I am through here, but even if I'm not posting, I'm lurking. Need that fix!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 7, 2009

Perhaps, but I do find some of the coincidences surrounding teams "events" interesting ... I strongly suspect that Snidely or Vinnie or some minions of theirs keep a close eye on this blog.

This was not true with Gibbs ...

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

ZZ, I tend to disagree with the theory that the botched trade attempt puts pressure on the Skins. I believe it puts all the pressure on Campbell. He doesn't have much going for him at this point. We tried to trade him, it APPEARS he has no trade value and is not wanted...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 7, 2009 10:53 PM

I agree with your general theme, but I don't agree with this particular. Any trade the Skins made to get rid of Campbell was almost certainly contingent on obtaining Cutler.

Just like Snyder wanted a specific QB (Cutler), it appears McDaniels wanted a particular TYPE of QB--not like Cutler and not like Campbell. This was the opinion of one man. There's nothing to suggest the Skins weren't able to get a second round draft pick for Campbell.... but why would McDaniels care about another draft pick when he can fleece the Bears, and get someone he thinks is better in his system than either Cutler or Campbell?

One man's judgement, and it doesn't mean either Cutler or Campbell are bad QBs. I just means McDaniels thinks neither will be effective in his offensive scheme.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Not re-signing Campbell should be motivation enough for the man. He has all the cards in his hand at this point. If he proves his talent, he can choose who will pay him. [Unless he becomes an RFA...]

There is one more reason why it's dangerous to claim that McDaniels loves Orton and hates Campbell. Orton is cheap -- one third the price of Campbell -- and if I were a guessing man, I'd say McDaniels will be selecting his "real" starter in a couple of weeks.

Posted by: daggar | April 7, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Just in...

The Washington Redskins have signed free agent LB Robert Thomas, Scout.com has confirmed.

Thomas was originally drafted in the first round of the 2002 draft by the St. Louis Rams.

Thomas played the past three seasons with the Oakland Raiders and is capable of playing all three linebacker positions.

Posted by: daggar | April 7, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

What did we miss with Jay Cutler?

Denver vs KC
Broncos trail in the 3rd quarter 16-13. Cutler throws picks on back to back possessions. Trying a 4th quarter comeback, Cutler throws back to back incompletions at on 2nd and goal at the 3 yard line. Broncos lose 33-19

Denver vs Jax
Broncos trail going into 4th quarter
Cutler completes 2 of 7 passes in the 4th quarter on 4 possessions -- including 2 3 and outs.
Broncos lose 24-17

Denver vs Fins
In the game's first 10 minutes, Cutler throws 2 picks including a pick 6. The other possession is a 3 and out. Fins have 13 points in 10 minutes with almost no offense. Denver is within 16-10 (thanks mostly to a 95yd kickoff return) at end of 3 quarters. Cutler throws another pick to start the 4th quarter, Miami gets a FG. Fins win 26-17

Denver vs Raiders
2-8 Raider go to Denver
Score is 17-10 Raiders mid 3rd quarter. Cutler throws 2 incompletions as part of Bronco 3 and out. Raiders score a TD. Next possession, Cutler throws an INT on the 2nd play of the possession. Raiders score another TD. Game over.

Broncos vs Bills
Bills lead 30-23 in the 4th quarter. Cutler drives the Broncos to the Bills 15 with 5 minutes left ... and tosses a pick. But Denver's defense gets a 3 and out and Cutler gets the ball with 3:30 to go, drives to the 20 yard line. Then he completes 1 of 4 passes for 5 yards and the Broncos give the ball up on downs. Game over. Bills win 30-23.

None of the above teams were top defensive teams. In each game, at clutch points, Cutler failed. Of course, Cutler's biggest error, the fumble that would have sealed a loss vs SD, got wiped out by Hochuli's horrid call.

I've wondered why all the love for Cutler. He is a good player, but Campbell was better in the clutch -- against better competition.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 7, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Robert Thomas, LB Washington Redskins
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 68

6'0" 235lbs, 28 years old

Comment: Thomas is an undersized player with good athleticism. He runs well and is best in space to pursue inside-out to the ball. He can be engulfed when taking on offensive linemen due to his lack of height. He does use his hands well to separate, but will lose leverage often versus the inside ground game. He covers lots of ground and shows good range, but will over-pursue at times and not break down in space. He does have decent pop and power as a tackler. He has the athleticism to be effective in coverage, but isn't quick to react to route progressions. He plays hard, but doesn't have the overall tools to be an effective, consistent starter. He is best in sub packages and on special teams.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't usually poke around in redskins.com land, but there are several of you who can start the "told ya so" bandwagon:

Even more interesting, though, was the Redskins personnel news that came out in the post-speech Q&A.
Most of the questions covered the topics you would expect, and most of Blache's answers were similarly predictable. (On if the Redskins would make the playoffs this year: "I don't know. If I knew the answer to that, I'd be in Vegas right now." Or acknowledging that a pass rushing defensive end might be something the Redskins would look at in the draft.)

But there was one interesting tidbit, one that explained Chris Wilson's comment from yesterday that "I'm pretty excited to see how they're gonna use me this year" -- because Blache mentioned that the team was looking at Wilson to potentially help fill the role of strongside linebacker.

"Yeah," Wilson told me, "I'm pretty excited for that. I've played the position before, and it's all stuff that I can do."

Wilson, at 6-4, 246, is similar in size to 6-3, 248 pound Marcus Washington, who played the strongside position last year, so it makes some kind of sense, and he's also known for his speed as a lineman. It's still an experiment at this point, barely more than an idea, but it at least offers a solid glimpse at the team's plans as the 2009 season gets closer.

Posted by: daggar | April 7, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

So what does Robert Thomas mean for the Khary Campbell era?

Posted by: daggar | April 7, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

peri, thanks, good info on Thomas. I was trying to find something on him and it appears he was a fairly expensive backup for the Raiders.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 7, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

The Skins could really use this pick ...

Rams to deal No. 2 pick?
Perhaps wary of the risk in having to fork over such a large chunk of financial resources to one player, the St. Louis Rams are taking offers for the No. 2 overall draft pick, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

As the Post-Dispatch's Jim Thomas notes, the team is in a rebuilding mode so it might make sense to try to stockpile draft picks in later rounds and for 2010. Another factor is the growing suspicion that none of the players who are slated to be drafted at the top of the first round are of the caliber that is worthy of such a large contract.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Most important stat in determining the outcome of a game?

Turnovers

Only 2 teams had FEWER takeaways than the Skins defense. Only 7 teams lost MORE fumbles than the Skins.

Yet, the Skins were even on turnover margin.

How? Because they had the fewest INTs in the league.

Avoiding turnovers isn't exciting football, but it is part of winning football.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

The Skins could really use this pick ...

Rams to deal No. 2 pick?
Perhaps wary of the risk in having to fork over such a large chunk of financial resources to one player, the St. Louis Rams are taking offers for the No. 2 overall draft pick, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

As the Post-Dispatch's Jim Thomas notes, the team is in a rebuilding mode so it might make sense to try to stockpile draft picks in later rounds and for 2010. Another factor is the growing suspicion that none of the players who are slated to be drafted at the top of the first round are of the caliber that is worthy of such a large contract.

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 11:57 PM

This is where the Skins need to take advantage of another team. If the Rams want out of this pick, the Skins could move in but not sell what little picks we have THIS year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

So what does Robert Thomas mean for the Khary Campbell era?

Posted by: daggar

Very funny. The Mesozoic, the Paleozoic, the Cenozoic, The Khary Campbell

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I'm good if the Skins want to move up and grab a player that can fill a key current and long term need. We have 2 very weak spots, OLB and RT. LB Curry of Wake jumps out since rookie LBs have been impact guys in recent years (Merriman, Mayo, Willis). Or they could pick a tackle that they think will be a cornerstone of the OL -- not sure which one they think most highly of. I'm guessing they won't need to go up as far as #2 to get the tackle they'd prefer, but don't know.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I'd trade the Rams #1 for our #1 straight up, or add the promise that we would swap #1s with them next year to "even out" the trade value.

Posted by: daggar | April 8, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Zorn's former charge, Matt Hasselbeck:

“I mean, you could do that, that’s your prerogative,” Hasselbeck said of drafting a hot shot quarterback. “It won’t change anything I do. I’m getting ready to play football this year. I am going to play football this year. I’m not concerned at all (about my back).
““It’s always been a joke for me. I don’t feel good about first rounders … because I was a sixth-round pick. I don’t watch the draft on Saturday. I watch the draft on Sunday.
“”
“Hasselbeck wasn’t done with his rant against the draft. He is still stung at not even being invited to the NFL combine while coming out of Boston College, before he became a compensatory pick by Green Bay in 1998.
“What’s his name, Mel Kiper?” Hasselbeck said. “Yeah, when I was picked, with pick 187, I think his exact words were something like, ‘That’s a waste of a pick.’
““At 187! So, you know, whatever.”

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Khary Campbell? Robert Thomas is ranker higher than HB Blades, Al Fincher and Khary Campbell. He is faster and more athletic but on the small side and has problems in coverage. He was a starter in 2007 for Oakland. Inactive for most games with the Raiders in 2008. A great pick up by the Skins, a solid backup, average starter that is good on special teams. And he is only 28.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

H.B. Blades, LB Washington Redskins
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 58

Ht: 5'10", wt: 242 lbs, age: 24

Comment: He was a rookie last year who played backup MLB. He's an undersized player (short) who has good foot quickness and knee bend. He showed adequate reactions playing the run and will lose sight of the ball in traffic due to his lack of height. He is aggressive taking on lead blocks and showing good pad level, but he will lose balance on contact. He gives good effort to chase and pursue. He has adequate speed, not explosive. He takes average angles in space. In coverage, he was aggressive to play-action with adequate recovery quickness. He can quickly flip his hips to gain depth in his zone drops. He shows the ability to change direction in space with the ability to close in zone coverage. He has good vision in a shallow area with a slight burst to finish. He is an adequate backup who played mostly on special teams as a rookie. He will learn a lot from playing behind London Fletcher and has good development potential.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, this slipped under my radar:


Redskins Signed Elsewhere
Name Pos. Exp. ’09 Team Date Signed
Ryan Boschetti DT 5 Raiders April 1

Posted by: daggar | April 8, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Robert Thomas also ***ranks*** higher than starter Rocky McIntosh ...

Rocky McIntosh WLB, Washington Redskins
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 64

ht: 6'2", wt: 238, age: 26

Comment: He is a WLB and started 13 of 14 games before going on IR for a torn ACL/MCL in his left knee. He's a good athlete with good speed and adequate strength. He has adequate reactions as a run defender, but is not a stout downhill player. He lacks overall strength and hand use for taking on blocks. He can take on lead blocks aggressively, but he doesn't work off the contact quickly to get to the ball. He lacks quick hand use and lower-body strength to shed. He shows average discipline at the point of attack. He will take chances and jump inside. He is quick enough to recover back outside, but doesn't hold the force consistently. He will get pushed off track due to high pad level and a narrow base. He was aggressive in space, but lacks body control to break down versus quicker running backs. In coverage, he gains good depth in zone drops. He uses good zone-spacing and has enough vision to read and react effectively. He is versatile enough to be effective as a blitzer off the edge. He accelerates quickly, but will get chopped too easily due to his late use of hands to protect his lower body.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington, SLB, Washington Redskins
Grade: 76
ht: 6'1", wt: 244 lbs, age:31

Comment: Washington has very good size with good instincts. He may lack ideal speed, but his aggressiveness and ability to read and react quickly definitely help him get into position. He can fill quickly versus the run with good strength when taking on leads. He is quick to step up and is usually sound with his run fits. He shows adequate lateral quickness in scrape with the ability to show a good burst on his turn and run. He usually takes aggressive angles, but his lack of speed will prevent him from making the play on the perimeter. He does sell out and gives good effort in chase. He is a good overall tackler, but can be slipped in space at times versus quickness. In passing situations, he has ability to come off the edge effectively from a two or three-point stance. He shows good timing on blitzes and has good upfield speed as en edge rusher. He does a good job creating pressure in nickel situations and he has a feel for working his hands. In coverage, he lacks fluid movement in space. He can settle and read effectively, but once he settles he has trouble showing enough burst to close. He is better on the move than settling and reacting. He has a good understanding of routes. Washington is a productive and versatile player who brings good energy to the defense.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

London Fletcher, MLB, Washington Redskins
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 77

ht: 5'10", wt: 245 lbs, age: 33

Comment: Fletcher is an undersized player for the position, but he has outstanding instincts. He plays fast and aggressive. He is a very good read and react player who can get to the ball quickly. He shows little wasted movement and he can run in front of blocks with his ability to quickly diagnose. He has good hand use and strength for his size. He can punch and separate quickly from linemen, while attacking outside angles. If he is late with his hands, he can be locked up by offensive linemen with wide grab hands. Faster running backs can beat him to the corner, but he makes his share of plays on the perimeter. He has a low center of gravity to change direction or re-direct versus quickness. He shows good lateral quickness and movement skills. He is quick enough to slip blocks or avoid in traffic. His aggressiveness will get him out of position at times versus misdirection plays. However, he does not get fooled very often and he adapts quickly during games. In coverage, he has good instincts and awareness. He is quick to gain depth in zone drops and has good vision. He shows good quickness to read the quarterback and step in front of routes in his area. He does a good job playing the ball in the air. He shows excellent vision and timing when he breaks on the throw. He continues to be extremely productive and durable, despite his age.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Khary Campbell, LB, Washington Redskins
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 58

Comment: He is a backup linebacker, who is a six-year player with adequate size, but lacks ideal speed. He's been a productive player for them on special teams the last several years. He doesn't have a lot of experience as a starting LB. While he lacks ideal size and speed, he plays with good effort. Against the run, he lacks the ability to quickly read and react. He gets caught up in traffic and is slow to shed blocks. He tends to get bounced around or shocked by contact. He was aggressive with his angles to the ball but struggled to get off blocks quickly once engaged. In coverage, he showed good zone awareness. He can gain good depth and adjust to traffic, while reading the quarterback. He showed good spacing with the awareness to drift and step in front of routes. He has the quickness to close laterally. He lacks the top burst, but he showed good vision to anticipate. He takes good angles when closing on screens.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure I like moving up for Rams #2. It's gonna cost us picks that we can't afford. I think we should be moving back to get more picks instead of giving up picks to go up.

We're not one or two players away. We're about 15 over TWO years:
4 O linemen (everybody but Dockery by 2012)
3 DL's (2 new DE's and Griff won't last)
3-4 LB's (Fletcher will get old, Rocky Mac has no legs, SAM and DEPTH)
1-2 Corners (Smoot gone plus dime back)
1-2 receivers (ARE gone, Thrash gone, DEPTH)
1 kicker and 1 punter (duh).

And in 2 years Portis will be thirty - so all bets off there.

We need more and better draft success.

Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

edvar, agree with your numbers. But also think that Danny has the highest paid roster in the history of the league, so he wants to win now. And we've proved that a lot mid level picks can add up to something pretty modest.

Skins have drafted 17 players in rounds 2-4 since 2000. 5 of those were last years picks, none of them has made a noteworthy contribution.

6 other picks were didn't make it. Michael Moore, Rashaud Baumann, Lloyd Harrison, Taylor Jacobs, Manuel White, Cliff Russell.

Which leaves 6 who did. Sage Rosenfels, Fred Smoot, LaDell Betts, Dockery, Cooley and Rocky Mc. 17 picks in rounds 2-4 gets 2 solid starters, 2 average starters (Smoot and Rocky), 2 decent backups and 5 questions marks.

This is why trading down doesn't excite me.

We can get quality at #13, but if there is a guy this team believes in a lot, go ahead and get him. Even at #2

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 2:03 AM | Report abuse

fwiw, Scouts Inc lost credibility with me when it graded Marcus 1 point lower than Fletcher.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 2:05 AM | Report abuse

"fwiw, Scouts Inc lost credibility with me when it graded Marcus 1 point lower than Fletcher.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009"

They do take durability / injuries into account, so it makes sense. Given the dearth of playing time, and only 40 tackles that is a pretty high ranking.

But it is interesting that the new guy Thomas is ranked higher than Rocky McIntosh. Thomas was a starter up until this year. He had a year to rest and recover from any injuries.

So, the Redskins could move Rocky over to SAM placing Thomas over at WLB with Blades, Wilson, and Fletcher as backups. Its a downgrade from MWash that's for sure and the scouts.com rating does reflect that. Rocky is 10 points under MWash.

Means they can attempt to draft a sleeper in a lower round at linebacker and focus on defensive end and tackle with higher round picks.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 2:22 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure I like moving up for Rams #2. It's gonna cost us picks that we can't afford. I think we should be moving back to get more picks instead of giving up picks to go up.

They could get any one of the 3 top OT's. Stafford, Orapko? I basically agree with you ... the problem is that lots of pick are nice if you have someone making the call who knows what they are doing. Perhaps better to get the sure bet instead for that reason?

We're not one or two players away. We're about 15 over TWO years:

4 O linemen (everybody but Dockery by 2012),

Their weakest area no doubt about it. Needs to be addressed over the next 2 years.

3 DL's (2 new DE's and Griff won't last)

They've addressed this to some extent with Haynesworth, Montgomery, Golston, Alexander and Jackson who are all under 30. They probably need two DE's, one should be an impact player.

3-4 LB's (Fletcher will get old, Rocky Mac has no legs, SAM and DEPTH)
Thomas, McIntosh, Finch, and Blades are all under 30. Thomas, McIntosh, and Blades can all start.

They need one [1] impact LB to replace MWash.

1-2 Corners (Smoot gone plus dime back)
Hall and Rogers are under 30. If Tryon
pans out they just need [1] draft pick.


1-2 receivers (ARE gone, Thrash gone, DEPTH)

Thomas, Kelly are under 30. Cooley is still young enough. Need a replacement for Moss.


1 kicker and 1 punter (duh).

Another serious need.

And in 2 years Portis will be thirty - so all bets off there.

Need [1] impact back.

We need more and better draft success.
Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2009

Multiple second and thirds might fix things in this draft if they knew how to pick the right players.

Posted by: periculum | April 8, 2009 2:37 AM | Report abuse

Multiple second and thirds might fix things in this draft if they knew how to pick the right players.

Posted by: periculum

so, when will we see pigs fly?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 3:26 AM | Report abuse

The blueprint for this team is to win with defense. Its the Ravens/Steelers model

The secondary is young, talented and has modest depth. The DL has some youth and depth plus a beast in the middle. Carter is durable, if not overly effective. The LBs are problematic beyond Fletcher and Fletcher is getting up there in years. An OLB is our biggest need. Curry sounds like a beast that could further improve the defense right away. Hopefully, Rocky's knees will hold up.

The offense merely needs to put modest points on the board and not make mistakes. With 3 talented players in Portis, Cooley and Moss, its not unreasonable. For all the criticism of Campbell, the Skins had fewer INTs than any team in the league. 4 of those picks came against the Steelers and Ravens ... the #1 and #2 defenses ... teams we don't play this year. So we know we can minimize mistakes. An OL would help a lot, but that will take a few years to get done.

We can hold teams down with defense, adding guys that create pressure to force turnovers is all that separates this defense from being elite.

I'm advocating taking Curry, hoping he is what takes this defense to another level. And using as much duct tape as we have to try and hold the OL together as we try to rebuild it over the next few years. But I'll be OK if we get a terrific OT.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 3:46 AM | Report abuse

So Danny Boy and his top were in Vegas on a date. No the blueprint for this team is an owner who doesn't date his players. Hopefully Danny Boy's wifey will use this in her pending divorce to get a larger settlement!

Posted by: sheepherder | April 8, 2009 6:53 AM | Report abuse

hmmm come to think about it ...

Could Snidely be chatting with Mel?

Posted by: periculum | April 7, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse
Interesting, perci. Is Kiper on the Skins payroll? Maybe Ass. GM?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

'...The fully healthy Moss is among the 10 best WRs in the game...'


Got a question: when is his contract up?

Do we have a guy who can step in should his hammy get 'tweaked' at the wrong time this upcoming season?

Again: these realities make the 'mistake' of taking another speedy wideout at 13 not too bad of an idea.

Because of the depth, we can snag a lineman/'backer with the 3rd and 4th round picks and still get a quality player.

But a one of a kind speed guy would be a reach I'd gladly accept.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 7, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Misty, I've been screaming OT since early January. But if ASmith is gone,which appears more likely now, I could buy into your argument. You won't get quality speed later in the draft.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Aaaack!?! More Receivers?!? are u SJKing kidding me? Logic be dammned, we can't waste any more pics at that position.

Bring in Hall to stretch the D if worst comes to worst.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 8, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

So what does Robert Thomas mean for the Khary Campbell era?

Posted by: daggar

Very funny. The Mesozoic, the Paleozoic, the Cenozoic, The Khary Campbell

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse
I think the Leigh Torrence era was just before the KC era.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

"Because of the depth, we can snag a lineman/'backer with the 3rd and 4th round picks and still get a quality player."

Last time I checked the Skins have a 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th and 7th.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 8, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan is the answer.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 8, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

'...The fully healthy Moss is among the 10 best WRs in the game...'
Got a question: when is his contract up?

As best I can tell, Moss is under contract through 2013, but could be relased in 2012 with only a small cap hit.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

'...Colt Brennan is the answer...'

Name the over-rated 7th round draft pick is the question.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

periculum:

Because COLT is not appreciated by SNYDER. He never covets what he already has. And he has a player that could be a mini-FARVE unless ZORN screws him up. But outside WASHINGTON and HAWAII, few people realize just how good he could be. No bling to bring people to the old ballpark both in D.C. and around the league.

Its all about the money with SNYDELY OWL. Championship football - forget it. BTW thanks for the reports on our linebacking. If we're going after anybody by using CAMPBELL, it should be CURRY from WAKE FOREST. Oops, but then we would be relying on BYRON LEFTWICH, TODD COLLINS and COLT BRENNAN.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 8, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Aaaack!?! More Receivers?!? are u SJKing kidding me? Logic be dammned, we can't waste any more pics at that position.

Bring in Hall to stretch the D if worst comes to worst.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 8, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse
Here is my thinking. And my first assumption is that ASmith is gone. With a stud WR like Crabtree or Maclin, we start him and Moss. With 3 wideouts, Thomas comes in. On 3rd downs, ARE plays in the backfield, goes in motion, or goes into a stack formation. It's not my ideal draft choice, I'm just saying that at #13, we need to get an effective weapon.

The way the draft is shaping up, the consensus is that Stafford, 3 OT's, Curry, Orakpo, Raji, Everette Brown will probably all be taken by #13. That's 8 of the 12 picks ahead of us. Sanchez & Jenkins, maybe. It's just possible that Crabtree or Maclin could slip to us.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Check this out....

Snyder to Make ESPN 980 Debut:
Rare chance to hear Redskins owner Daniel Snyder on April 24th when he joins the Sports Reporters on ESPN 980 at 5 pm to discuss the upcoming draft, free agency and hopefully all things Redskins. Also joining Snyder on the show, Executive VP of football Ops Vinny Cerrato and the head coach Jim Zorn. Should be good stuff.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"Rare chance to hear Redskins owner Daniel Snyder on April 24th when he joins the Sports Reporters on ESPN 980"

I would pay to hear him field calls from the fans. That would be the most entertaining radio show ever.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 8, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

No new thread?

Got some topics, most are non-football:

Pick one:
Woods or Harrington or an unknown at The Masters?


The Lakers will win the NBA Finals: True/False


The best team in the National League East out of what's listed below:

Florida Marlins
New York Mets
Atlanta Braves
Philadelphia Phillies

Jake Peavy will eventually be traded to which money slinging team:

Dodgers
Red Sox
Braves
Cubs


The Angels will win the World Series in a tight contest against the Florida Marlins: true/false

True/False
Don Mattingly will be managing the Yankees next season after the team collapses in late August and Joe G is fired.


Sanchez will be a better quarterback than Stafford: true/false


Boxing is dead as a professional sport. Why?


The best player in the NFL Draft this year is___________________ (fill in a name).


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Not one of your topics had to do with the Redskins.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Golf = Snore.

Unless I'm at Camden Yards, baseball = snore.

Sanchez will be better than Stafford, because he'll go to a better team.

Boxing is dead because of MMA and lack of marketing.

The best player in this years draft is Michael Crabtree.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 8, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Ten future undrafted stars from this year's draft :

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/04/07/welker/index.html?eref=T1

PS how bout them Braves? Going for a SWEEP of the defending World Champs today at 3 PM! HOLLA

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

'...Not one of your topics had to do with the Redskins...'


What's left to talk about regarding the redskins?

The draft will generate tons of jibba-jabba.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Snyder to Make ESPN 980 Debut:
Rare chance to hear Redskins owner Daniel Snyder on April 24th when he joins the Sports Reporters on ESPN 980 at 5 pm to discuss the upcoming draft, free agency and hopefully all things Redskins. Also joining Snyder on the show, Executive VP of football Ops Vinny Cerrato and the head coach Jim Zorn. Should be good stuff.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2009 8:48 AM


This is what you call damage control. The problem is, he should be on 980 THIS WEEK, not 2 weeks from now.

The BIG question would be, will Andy Polly and The Czabe be able to qustion them, or will George Michael or Henrahan step in for them?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

'...The best player in this years draft is Michael Crabtree...'


Will you wet your pants if he falls to us and winds up playing opposite Moss/Cooley?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

moe, I'll take a shot at what you're offering.

1. Woods...

2. False....however if KG is out for the playoffs, their chances GREATLY increase..

3. Marlins
4. Dodgers
5. False...way false, Angels...I can't see it...
6. I'm going with False again, they're way too talented to fall apart.
7. Sanchez/Stafford=push
8. Pugilism is dead in part because of things like the UFC and Pro-Wrestling. There is no appreciation for boxing anymore...
9. Jason Smith best player by a little bit over Andre Smith.

Good stuff.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 8, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

No new thread?

Got some topics, most are non-football:

Pick one:
Woods or Harrington or an unknown at The Masters?
Mickelson!

The Lakers will win the NBA Finals: True/False
True - They will lose to Orlando. You heard it here first.

The best team in the National League East out of what's listed below:

Florida Marlins
New York Mets
Atlanta Braves
Philadelphia Phillies
F Baseball

Jake Peavy will eventually be traded to which money slinging team:

Dodgers
Red Sox
Braves
Cubs
see previous answer

The Angels will win the World Series in a tight contest against the Florida Marlins: true/false
See previous two answers

True/False
Don Mattingly will be managing the Yankees next season after the team collapses in late August and Joe G is fired.
WTF?


Sanchez will be a better quarterback than Stafford: true/false
True. Stafford will be a bust. Sanchez will be a career backup

Boxing is dead as a professional sport. Why?
Too many divisisons. Too many titles. Current heavyweight champ is a white guy from Russio not named Ivan Drago

The best player in the NFL Draft this year isAaron Curry(fill in a name).

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 8, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Ten future undrafted stars from this year's draft :

That Toler guy is intriguing. He has return skills as well.

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"Kansas City is looking to trade #3,leaving Curry or Monroe just sitting their ripe for the plucking.I would find that hard to resist because WE are closer I believe than many think.We were 3-o against the teams playing in the nfc championship.Only problem is we have no picks to trade.If they would take next years 2nd I say do it.

Posted by: mark65 "


is this true?

I think Aaron Curry is the kinda player you seriously consider moving up to get. I mean, what about our #13 this year plus a third rounder next year? I don't think we can afford to give up any more picks this year, but if we have all our picks for next year I would look into that. Not sure if that would be enough though.

but I think Curry is a guy that will produce at an all-star level for a long time, and LB is a position of need right now even if it's not our #1 position of need. His impact over a long period of time at LB might be greater than any of the available OT's impact over that same period of time.

I would look into this.


but to be safe, we could pick up whichever the best OT is at #13 and then a guy like maybe Herzlith (sp?) with our third rounder. There are some guys that we could probably plug in that will be decent at worst from the third round.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 8, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

The BIG question would be, will Andy Polly and The Czabe be able to qustion them, or will George Michael or Henrahan step in for them?

Posted by: 4thFloor

That's a very good question 4th....I honestly cannot envision Snyder agreeing to be grilled by Czaban and Pollin.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone see the Sit Down between Kelli Johnson and JC17 yesterday/this morning?

I can't see this relationship being repaired at this point in time. Maybe only a SB push could salvage it. That's about it.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Umm, can we get a new post so that I do not have to scroll to the right just to read the longer comments? Or because you have some inside info on the Skins?

Thanks!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

4th - was he bitter? I don't really care about his relationship with Snyderatto - he doesn't play for them - he plays for Zorn and his teammates, and they have faith in him.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 8, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

4TH, can you elaborate on that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 8, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"Will you wet your pants if he falls to us and winds up playing opposite Moss/Cooley?"

Maybe, for the wrong reason though. I plan on drinking all day for the draft.

For the record, I hope he doesn't fall. Circumstances on this team make it hard for skill players to produce at their highest level.

I will wet my pants with joy if Andre Smith falls to 13.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 8, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Yod, agreed on Andre. Cats got crazy run game blocking skills....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 8, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Bean, I think it's a perfect fit with Samuels already here to push him. Highly unlikely that Smith falls beyond 6 or 7 though.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 8, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Sign LB
by Adam Caplan of ScoutNFLNetwork.com, April 7, 2009 at 7:24pm ET

Robert Thomas Profile

The Washington Redskins have signed free agent LB Robert Thomas, Scout.com has confirmed.

Thomas was originally drafted in the first round of the 2002 draft by the St. Louis Rams.

Thomas played the past three seasons with the Oakland Raiders and is capable of playing all three linebacker positions.

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

solid pickup....he's young...seems like he has/had some skills...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 8, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

If we do not beef up the right side of the o-line we will implode halfway through the season just like last year. There's no doubt about it. Anyone who thinks we should draft anyone besides a RT at #13 is a complete idiot, and that is why I think we will draft an end or a linebacker at #13.

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 8, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Vince Anderson, CB, Webber International University -- Playing at an obscure NAIA school like Webber International in Central Florida makes it tough enough to get noticed, but Anderson has reportedly drawn some interest this spring from teams such as the Patriots, Giants and Chiefs, meaning some of the better personnel men in the league are on to him. Anderson is a 6-2, 205-pound cornerback who is a past high school high jump champion.

The above is a quote from the SI Don Banks article. 6'2", 205, high jump champ. What's not to like about this guy!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

There are enough players in this draft the Redskins could use that it would be insane for them to waste assets attempting to move up in the draft.

Smith, Smith, Monroe, Oher, Orakpo, Maybin, Curry, Raji, Jackson, Brown, Ayers, Crabtree

Every one of those would be a fine selection for the Redskins. At least one of them will be available should Stafford and/or Sanchez go in the top 12 selections.

No chance this team needs to blow its load on moving up in a draft where we only have 5 selections.

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Greg Toler, CB, St. Paul's College -- After a superb pro day, Toler is being touted as this year's version of Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, a small-school talent at cornerback who is rising up everyone's draft boards. St. Paul's, a Division II school in rural Virgnia, has never had a player taken in the NFL Draft, but Toler could be its first. He's 5-11, 191, but ran a 4.45 time in the 40, with a 33-½ inch vertical jump and a 9'8'' broad jump. Six NFL teams have worked him out privately, including the Patriots, Ravens, Jets and Browns.

Here is the write-up from the same Banks article about Greg Toler. And a local connection (St Paul's in rural VA)!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Who is this Thomas guy? Is he a starter or reserve? Any thoughts on Loadholt? He is 6'8 338. Thats the size we need up front.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 8, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I just keep thinking how idiot boy was willing to give up two #1's for Cutler. It makes me crazy! He's the worst person to ever exist in the entire universe. I really believe that. We deserve to lose as long as that putz is running the show.

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 8, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

4th - was he bitter?

Posted by: Rypien11

The interview had nothing new.

But....

As we all know, JC17 doesn't show alot of emotion. And to me, it look like in his eyes he was holding a lot back when discussing his tenure here and relationship with management.

He said what was previously stated, that Vinny/Danny told him they don't see him as a Franchise QB, but he knows he is and he just has to go out there and sho them. He thinks he has made a lot of progress in this league.

He said the conversation he had with Vinny/Danny/Zorn was a private conversation and that he was able to talk about any and everything in that meeting.

But, it was just his demeanor. Not the usual JC17 demeanor talk we usually have. I couldn't shake it. No smiling. Talking in the same tone through out the whole interview. You can look in his eyes and his eyes were telling (to me) a different story.

Man, after looking at that, my confidence in him dropped. Kelli said that he was a stand up, classy guy, and all that other stuff.

I hope he does well this year. I am not looking for him to fail. But, I see this year as sink or swim.

Again, that is my opinion. If anybody else saw it, feel free to chime in.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

You can watch the video here:

http://midatlantic.comcastsportsnet.com/pages/redskins

It's on the right hand side after you scroll down some.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I saw the same thing 4th....
Just looked like he pulled all of his answers out of the "standard book of what you're supposed to say" book, but there was at least one dramatic pause that kind of made me cringe....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 8, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

but there was at least one dramatic pause that kind of made me cringe....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 8, 2009 10:07 AM

When Kelli asked weather he trusted the Organization?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

A few comments:

* Jason Campbell also has to work on throwing the ball away when the defense covers the play. A number of sacks were his fault for holding onto the ball too long.

* Robert Thomas was probably signed to be the backup WLB. Although he could challenge McIntosh for the starting position.

* The Skins needed to replace Khary Campbell anyway. He was not effective as a backup WLB, wanted too much money, and special team blocking was terrible last year.

* Good for Boschetti. Haynesworth filled his spot on the DL. He would only have made the club if someone was injured.

Posted by: siris | April 8, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Cooley has some competition for NFL's best blog...

Martellus Bennett, The Blogger
Posted by Mike Florio on April 8, 2009, 9:16 a.m.
For his last Internet venture, Cowboys tight end Martellus Bennett did some rapping.

Eventually, the Cowboys did some fining.

This time around, Bennett is blogging for the Dallas Morning News.

Though it’s not nearly as entertaining as a profane rap song, it’s . . . um . . . intriguing.

Here’s a portion of his first entry, from last week:

“Have you ever went on a date and the girl didn’t look as good as you remember? This really sucks! Yesterday my friend went to meet a girl at the movies he had met at the bar two nights before. We all know once you have a few drinks everything seems to look better it’s what we call the Grey Goose affect. LOL (laugh out loud).” [Editor’s note: Thanks, Martellus, for letting me know what “LOL” means. I had always wondered, but was too afraid to ask. In 1998.]

“Well anyways he goes to the movies to meet this woman when he gets there I recieve several text messages about how cute she isn’t and it couldn’t be the same girl. . . . Instead of leaving he orders popcorn, sour patches and two big 44oz drinks and proceeds into the movie finds them a seat and begins to sip his drink. He watches the previews and tells her that they need to go see one of the future movies in the previews if they ever go to the movie together again and smiles. Then he goes ‘man this is some strong stuff it is going straight threw me I have to go to the restroom.’ Gets up and walks all the way to his car gets in it starts it and leaves. Hahaha. Didn’t tell her bye or anything just left. Now that’s funny but is truly messed up.”

And here’s what surely will go down as an Internet classic, from Tuesday of this week:

“Man what do you do if your chic farts? It doesn’t seem as if women should fart. I was walking in the grocery store in the chips and dips aisle. This lady was walking in front of me pushing her cart she stopped to pick up some pringles and let one rip. Sounded like a growl and and a motor but smelt like a dead carcus.

“I guess women have to let go at times too but it just doesn’t seem right, but if they do then it shouldn’t smell or make a sound. I mean come on if you were on a date with Angelina Jolie a lunch date eating
spaghetti and pancakes or whatever it is people eat in Hollywood and as she’s feeding you she farts. Do you let her slide because of her beauty or call her out?”

But Martellus hasn’t yet abandoned his first love. Bennett and his partner from the rap that got “Marty B” fined have made a new song, without the profanity.

And we’ve finally figured out why some songs include profanity. It helps to distract attention from the fact that, you know, the song sucks.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

When Kelli asked weather he trusted the Organization?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2009 10:13 AM

I think so, yes. I was working from home yesterday and was actually working when they aired the piece, so I didn't catch everything.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 8, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

All our LB problems are solved!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 8, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

The Skins have to select a RT, SLB, and C/G in the draft. They have major holes at each position and there aren't many quality veterans left in the free agency. Tauscher and Runyan at RT, but both are coming off knee injuries. Kendall at C/G. Washington or 35yr old Zack Thomas at SLB.

Posted by: siris | April 8, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Who is this Thomas guy? Is he a starter or reserve? Any thoughts on Loadholt? He is 6'8 338. Thats the size we need up front.

Thomas was on Raiders last 3 years, was a starter in 07, on inactive for first 7 weeks of season, started week 9, then was either inactive or IR rest of season.

Loadholt is rated behind Britton , Jamon Meredith & William Beatty on Scouts rating of OT's. I think he is a 1-2 year project.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse


Pick one:
Woods or Harrington or an unknown at The Masters? I'll take the field, but think it's about a coin flip vs Tiger

The Lakers will win the NBA Finals: True/False- FALSE

The best team in the National League East out of what's listed below:

Florida Marlins
New York Mets - With K-Rod, I go Mets
Atlanta Braves
Philadelphia Phillies

Jake Peavy will eventually be traded to which money slinging team:

Dodgers - Think he will stay in SoCal but Sox are possible
Red Sox
Braves
Cubs

The Angels will win the World Series in a tight contest against the Florida Marlins: true/false

True/False - Grossly false

Don Mattingly will be managing the Yankees next season after the team collapses in late August and Joe G is fired. I'll go true

Sanchez will be a better quarterback than Stafford: true/false. Tossup. I'll say false

Boxing is dead as a professional sport. Why? 1) Corruption, 2) Lack of a dynamic heavyweight champ in yrs, 3) MMA

The best player in the NFL Draft this year is Aaron Curry

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 8, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Truth, you are insane if you think a team will trade the #3 for #13 and next yr's third rounder. I don't know the "points" system but it calls for more than that to move up 10 spots.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 8, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

notorious:"Boxing is dead as a professional sport. Why? 1) Corruption, 2) Lack of a dynamic heavyweight champ in yrs, 3) MMA
The best player in the NFL Draft this year is Aaron Curry "

About boxing, you noticed boxing clubs sprouting up around the area? Popular with middle class kids. If the audience grows, the pro sport will follow it.

Overall, boxing's still very strong overseas, particularly in the lower divisions. It's heavyweight that lost glamour. Lennox Lewis was a fine champ but didn't inspire anybody. Tyson self-destructed, and the Russians are just plain boring to watch.

If boxing grows in the US, it'll start in the Spanish community.

Curry is certainly the best-looking player out there. The strongest, and quite impressively mobile.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

siris: "The Skins have to select a RT, SLB, and C/G in the draft."

So you say. The problem being that what looks like your dire needs now may not seem that way next year. For instance, left DE, which was seen as a low priority till Daniels got hurt, and later when Evans took another offer. Right Tackle is on everybody's lips but the Skins have two players who could stop that talk quickly once the season starts. SAM linebacker looks like a real need, but who's to say it will be in six months?

It's the problem with all prognostication.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

have seen this a couple of time now, and wonder whether there's a theme - canfora referring to adults who play pro sports as 'kids'. compensating much?

Posted by: kscherer1 | April 11, 2009 6:58 AM | Report abuse

I was going to say that Reggie Roby can't be much past 40, just to have his name in the thread but 1.) He died three years ago. Had no idea. 2.) Would have been 46. Man, I'm getting old. Seems like yesterday he was punting for the Skins.

Posted by: WorstSeat | April 14, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

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