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Position Battle: Right Tackle

It may seem early to start discussing position battles, but heck, this is the Redskins we're talking about and you guys are always game for a good debate. Let's start with right tackle, where youngster Stephon Heyer and veteran Jon Jansen grappled for the starting spot a year ago.

By the time we get to camp, probably at the end of July, this could be a battle royale featuring Heyer, Jansen and a draft-pick-to-be-named-later. Now, if that happens to be a high pick, I'd be pretty surprised if there's much competition; he'd be given every chance to seize the job.

The truth is, the Skins are very uncomfortable about the situation here. They would love for another candidate to emerge. And, if only Jansen and Heyer are in camp to slug it out, it would be pretty amazing if Jansen were to win the job. There is not much confidence in his ability - evidenced by the grades he drew in internal reviews of the season - and the team would like to find someone more athletic and with better lateral movement.

At this point, no one is sold that Heyer could be that guy, and he projects as more of a fill-in than a regular. He continues to work through leverage problems and is pretty raw. Still, unless a more palatable alternative emerges, I'd anticipate him entering camp with the first team; in fact, I'd be shocked if Jansen were to come in ahead of him. After the way last season ended, there's not much to lose by letting Heyer take a good long crack at the gig. Frankly, I can't see Heyer losing the job unless he is utterly awful in preseason. As for Jansen, he might end up getting snaps at guard and working as a potential backup center (especially if Pete Kendall does not return).

By Jason La Canfora  |  March 24, 2009; 4:00 PM ET
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Comments

Heyer with a chip block by Davis on the way out makes a whole lot more sense than Jansen's new "bullfighter" technique....

Posted by: HustlerofCulture | March 24, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Maybe someone was reading today's comments.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Can we stop this 'Draft Oher' conversation now?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Na na na na na na na na Heyer Heyer Heyer good buy

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"I can see Russia from my apartment bedroom window. I can also see London and Brazil Its a really tall building.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009"

If you live in a high rise in Rosalynn perhaps Great Falls you can indeed see Russia ... the tallest building in DC.
The Russian embassy higher than the National Cathedral ... much to the everlasting chagrin of our Intelligence agencies. One reason why the state department is held in such poor regard and lost its power base over the last few years. Boneheadedness.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

hmmmm...I've never had leverage problems - I've heard they've got pills for that now

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 24, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

4th, you crack me up.

As if ANY part of what JLC wrote above gives you confidence in either guy.....

Pick your poison....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 24, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"sadly, the sport will NEVER be popular on the scale of the NFL, NBA, MLB, NASCAR, or NHL. it's just something that soccer heads will have to accept"

It's already more popular than the NHL. No doubt about that. Tell me the last time you saw an NHL game on a non-local TV network? Trivia: which network holds the rights to show nationally televised NHL games?

Check the ESPN.com front page. How do they organize the links to the various sports at the top of the homepage?

"'Exploded'? Where and when did this happen?"

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/2006-06-15-weekend_x.htm

Headline: "ESPN 'amazed' at TV ratings World Cup draws"

My guess is you had never seen a televised soccer game before, say, 1994 (when this country hosted its 1 and only World Cup so far). Even with that I wouldn't doubt if you never even knew there were games going on. Now, I find it hard to believe soccer is that secluded from visibility.

Red, as I said, you don't have to be interested in it. But make no mistake, it is a popular sport.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | March 24, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Draft Beer

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

If you live in a high rise in Rosalynn perhaps Great Falls you can indeed see Russia ... the tallest building in DC.
The Russian embassy higher than the National Cathedral ... much to the everlasting chagrin of our Intelligence agencies. One reason why the state department is held in such poor regard and lost its power base over the last few years. Boneheadedness.


Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:22 PM

I'm looking outside my (work) window right now where I have a great view of the National Cathedral and the Russian Embassy doesn't appear to be taller.

In fact The Cathedral (tallest point in DC) dwarf's every building by a lot. And I know the Russian Embassy is only a few blocks away from there (within my eye sight)....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Sorry 4th but short of a cornerback like a Darrel Green, Champ Bailey, or Shawn Springs if Andre Smith is available they will likely take him. Too much potential at every position on the line to pass up. Even if he does want to pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

Basically he may have the potential to be a Haynesworth type on the OL.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Can we stop this 'Draft Oher' conversation now?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 4:22 PM

Story is that he's moving up the draft boards and is not likely to be available to the 'Skins at #13. So, yeah, let's discuss Sanchez.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Do you think he just consolidates are posts and makes them his own then gets paid for it. throw in a few the will making it sound like it comes from the team I don't know I'm still kinda new hear.

Posted by: DG28 | March 24, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

4th, you crack me up.

..................

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 24, 2009 4:26 PM

I reread it and I realized I missed the 'Un' in front of comfortable........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Draft Beer

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 4:26 PM

Or, draught beer and we can bring back Redcoat and Kost.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

In fact The Cathedral (tallest point in DC) dwarf's every building by a lot. And I know the Russian Embassy is only a few blocks away from there (within my eye sight)....

I believe it sits on higher ground ... thanks to the State Department. Purportedly the highest in DC.

Clearly the National Cathedral should be the highest. It is probably the best piece of architecture, the most beautiful of the entire DC skyline ... including all the monuments. You are fortunate to have that view.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

When will the skins get a 3rd corner they spent all that money on D but if teams spread us out they could get burned

Posted by: DG28 | March 24, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

You are fortunate to have that view.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:30 PM

You're right. Because that means I have a job! (Laid off in Jan)........

I can't disclose my location too much, but I am at the highest point in a building @ Dupont Cir.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Story is that he's moving up the draft boards and is not likely to be available to the 'Skins at #13. So, yeah, let's discuss Sanchez.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009"

Trade down try to get 2 picks near the end or beginning of the second ... like the Egles.

The Eagles and Giants are going to feast on this draft leaving the Cowgirls and Skins way behind ... mostly the Skins.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Heyer with a chip block by Davis on the way out makes a whole lot more sense than Jansen's new "bullfighter" technique...."

I think you misunderstood. That should've read "bulls*** technique".

Jansen? Tuh, he's done as a starter, and they aren't sure if Heyer is a starter in the first place...

Hmm, change the Freddie Davis pick into a OT, and maybe, just maybe, they wouldn't be dealing with this.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 24, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Anyone want a hamburger?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 24, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

periculum
I am looking on the webernet and I am gonna say you are wrong about that one. The tallest is the Washington Monument at 555ft. No 2 is the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception and 3 is the Old Post Office Pavilion
accordin to wiki. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/position_battles_in_march_eh_w.html
I looked at photos of the russian embassy and its not that big.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"I can't disclose my location too much, but I am at the highest point in a building @ Dupont Cir.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009"

Near the former street car turn-around? Hah, maybe you can see Brazil too ... the Brazilian embassy should be nearby around there ...

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I believe it sits on higher ground ... thanks to the State Department. Purportedly the highest in DC.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:30 PM |

Highest ground in DC is Point Reno in Tenleytown -- close to Alice Deal Jr. High. 400' above sea level.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

periculum
I am looking on the webernet and I am gonna say you are wrong about that one. The tallest is the Washington Monument at 555ft. No 2 is the Basilica of the National "Shrine of the Immaculate Conception and 3 is the Old Post Office Pavilion
accordin to wiki. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/03/position_battles_in_march_eh_w.html
I looked at photos of the russian embassy and its not that big.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009"

As Einstein would say, (when good ol' Priest channels him), its all relative.

DC used to mostly be a huge swamp with a few high hills around. The Washington Monument is at one of the lowest spots in the swamp as is the Shrine.

However, the Russian embassy and the National Cathedral were built on a hill ...

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Anyone want a hamburger?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March

Wow, that's just nasty, might as well go to Hardees and get a thickburger!

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"Heyer with a chip block by Davis on the way out makes a whole lot more sense than Jansen's new "bullfighter" technique...."

I think you misunderstood. That should've read "bulls*** technique".

Jansen? Tuh, he's done as a starter, and they aren't sure if Heyer is a starter in the first place...

Hmm, change the Freddie Davis pick into a OT, and maybe, just maybe, they wouldn't be dealing with this.


No, a bullfighter technique is when you move aside and let the bull (or in this case d-lineman) pass without touching you

Posted by: HustlerofCulture | March 24, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"Hmm, change the Freddie Davis pick into a OT, and maybe, just maybe, they wouldn't be dealing with this.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 24, 2009"

Or keep the pick and draft Sam Baker as Atlanta did with the Redskins pick. Then in the 2nd draft DE Jason Jones as Tennessee did.

Two starters. Now you have someone to go with Haynesworth and you have a starting left tackle allowing you to move Samuels left.

Instead you have 2 worthless wide receivers and a tight end. Dumb.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"Trivia: which network holds the rights to show nationally televised NHL games?"

Oooooo, I likes trivia... that'll be Versus.

"My guess is you had never seen a televised soccer game before, say, 1994 (when this country hosted its 1 and only World Cup so far)."

my dude, I don't need to smell or taste dog sh*t, to know it's dog sh*t, you know?

and double shame shame for using an ESPN article as a base for your argument - aren't they (along with ABC) televising soccer games? of course they're going to embellish just a little, after all, it is ESPN...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 24, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

From the Mayor's tourist guide:

The National Cathedral, completed in 1990, is the culmination of a two-century-long plan for a majestic Gothic style cathedral. This richly decorated cathedral is located on a landscaped 57 acre plot of land on Mount Saint Albans in Northwest Washington, 400 feet above sea level. The cathedral consists of a long narrow rectangular mass, the eight bay nave and the five bay chancel, intersected by a six bay transept. Above the crossing, rising just over 300 feet above grade, is the Gloria in Excelsis Tower. The Cathedral is the sixth largest in the world, second largest in the United States. The top of the tower is the highest point in DC. The one story porch projecting from the south transept has a large portal with a carved tympanum. This portal is approached by the Pilgrim Steps, a long flight of steps 40 feet wide. The primary building material is gray Indiana limestone; some concrete and structural steel are used sparingly. The building abounds in architectural sculpture, wood carving, leaded glass, mosaics, artistic metal work, and many other works of art, including over 200 stained glass windows. Most of the decorative elements have Christian symbolism or are memorials to famous persons or events.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Why not just move Jansen to LG where between him and Randy Thomas, they might have one servicable old man? Then we'll just play our top pick at RT, and somehow pray that Kelly or Thomas matures mightily in year 2, and we can find a couple new OLBs and/or DEs.

Posted by: Dellis2 | March 24, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Check that.

There's a big SJK Tower sitting right past the Cathedral. That has to be the highest point. wisconsin Ave/Tenley Town it looks like.......

SJK, it's 2 of them...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

MAN, AND we're playing "Name That Location"?

You boys are too much...

Hmm, lets see, from where I am sitting I can see the Washington Monument, the Rosslyn "skyline", and the Venezuelan embassy

Posted by: RedDMV | March 24, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I was wrong ... it looks like its at the 3rd highest point.

New Embassy
Washington, DC
2650 Wisconsin Avenue, NW
Washington, DC

In 1973, the US agreed to allow the Soviet Union to construct new embassy facilities on a tract of land on Mt. Alto in the District of Columbia. Mount Alto, at an altitude of 350 feet, is the third highest point in the District, enjoying a direct visual line to the Capitol, the White House, the Pentagon, and the State Department. The Soviets originally wanted to locate a new embassy in Chevy Chase, MD, but the US Government objected. They then chose a site in midtown Washington, and again the US objected. The US subsequently identified the Mt. Alto site and persuaded the Soviets to accept it.

The location of the new Soviet embassy was offered to the Soviets at a time when electronic surveillance techniques and the potential for their further development were not fully understood in the West. The Soviet acquisition of the Mt. Alto embassy site was not the result of a Soviet conspiracy, but rather it was the consequence of a bad judgment on the part of the United States.

Soon after construction started, concerns were expressed that if the Soviets occupied the new Embassy site, their electronic equipment would be capable of intercepting all communications dealing with national security flowing in and out of Washington, unless encrypted, as well as ordinary business and personal conversations. The Soviet embassy could have been used as a platform to conduct highly sophisticated electronic surveillance of the US government, to facilitate Soviet espionage, and the purchase and theft of US high technology.

Subsequently it was decided to prevent the Soviet Union from occupying new embassy buildings on Mount Alto until the US had acquired a new embassy location in Moscow of substantially equal character. The issue of embassy locations is very complicated, and became even more convoluted after the US discovered Soviet bugging devices in the structure of the new American embassy. The National Security Agency (NSA) and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) both objected to allowing the Soviet Union [and Russia] to use the embassy at Mt. Alto.

The new embassy was not occupied until 1991, after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Until then, some of the appartments had been occupied starting in 1979. In early March 2001, it was revealed that the FBI and NSA jointly built a tunnel under the embassy during the 1980's with the aim of tapping into electronic communications inside the facility. Press reports suggested that Robert Hanssen, the 25-year FBI veteran arrested for being a Soviet/Russian spy, had compromised the operation by revelaing the existence of the tunnel which had reportedly cost several hundred million dollars.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

From the Mayor's tourist guide:

The National Cathedral, completed in 1990, .................................. The top of the tower is the highest point in DC..........................


Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:47 PM

Thanks. I was feeling ashamed that my 6th grade teacher lied to me about the Cathedral being the highest point in DC.

You know how many times I have used that trivia question over the past 18 years? Too many to count.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Washington, DC - National Park Service has designated a point in Tenleytown's Fort ... DC: ***Highest Natural Point.***

The tower of the Cathedral makes it higher.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"of course they're going to embellish just a little, after all, it is ESPN...

Posted by: RedDMV"

Didn't see that much embellishing from ESPN for the NHL before they decided to drop it altogether....

"my dude, I don't need to smell or taste dog sh*t, to know it's dog sh*t, you know?"

Once again Red, it isn't about you. The point was that soccer had zero visibility prior to the '90s. Not even close anymore.

Posted by: psps23 | March 24, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Jon Jansen is still a beast in the running game when healthy.Heyer on the other hand is pathetic at run blocking and below average at pass blocking.I see no upgrade, in fact jansen at least does "something" well.I would use Jansen until we get into games which require alot of passing or in other words until we get behind.Hopefully we trade back in the draft and get a OT and OLB,making this debate inconsequential.

Posted by: mark65 | March 24, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

But Frank Howard is the real Washington Monument. His home runs were the highest and those line drive homers the wickedest.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"Jon Jansen is still a beast in the running game when healthy. Heyer on the other hand is pathetic at run blocking and below average at pass blocking."

He is also a salary cap disaster. There's your blocking tight end Vinnie ... and we needed Fred Davis more than Sam Baker because?

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"At this point, no one is sold that Heyer could be that guy"

I find that pretty hard to believe considering he began last season as the starting RT (and is not one year more experienced in the system).

I'm putting an 85% chance that Heyer is the day 1 starter at RT, regardless of who is drafted. Even if the Skins draft a Tackle with the 13th pick (I'm hoping they can trade down), the pick may end up being Samuel's replacement at LT (in a couple years), not this years starting RT.

Posted by: HokiePaul | March 24, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

And i'm not saying (in my post above) that I'm sold on Heyer. Just saying that I don't buy the fact that NO ONE in the organization are sold that he can be a quality starter at RT.

Posted by: HokiePaul | March 24, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Do you think he just consolidates are posts and makes them his own then gets paid for it. throw in a few the will making it sound like it comes from the team I don't know I'm still kinda new hear.

Posted by: DG28 | March 24, 2009 4:28 PM |
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We are his focus group...He SHOULD pick whats hot in the discussions. I would rather have that then an unfocused and uninteresting column about nothing in general which alot of the old veteran wash post writers are guilty of.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

periculum - Amen on the mighty "Hondo".

Posted by: tripz | March 24, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I think Heyer deserves a shot at starting tha said we should still draft a tackle. resign daniels and Washington if they will come back for cheap! hope the wr develop which is possible sice most WR don't due well in first year anyway. that just leave depth at corner

Posted by: DG28 | March 24, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

You guys are so close. Now put 2 and 2 together.

Our next RT ... from the Russian embassy. Igor Iwanaeatademarcussandawich

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse


However, the Russian embassy and the National Cathedral were built on a hill ...

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:39 PM
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I lived in DC when the Russian embassy was built.. There were so many bugs in the walls, pacemakers were shorting out.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

And Frank Howard is a great guy - he was working for the Mets as a first base coach several years ago, and I had seats at the Astrodome right on the first base line - between innings I hollered "Hey Hondo!" - he came over and chatted about RFK and the old days of the Senators - just as friendly as you could be.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 24, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

We are his focus group...He SHOULD pick whats hot in the discussions. I would rather have that then an unfocused and uninteresting column about nothing in general which alot of the old veteran wash post writers are guilty of.

I agree but I haven't seen much INSIDER from redskins insider was more my point and the column was somewhat unentertaining to someone who was on hear today and heard the same things

Posted by: DG28 | March 24, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 - Oooo, yeah! That Igor is a big nasty hunk of Ukrainian monster meat. Upside is he would come cheap (insists on being paid in rubles).

Posted by: tripz | March 24, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"...Or keep the pick and draft Sam Baker as Atlanta did with the Redskins pick. Then in the 2nd draft DE Jason Jones as Tennessee did."...

As things stand now, I agree this would have been a more productive move. Remember when Casserly was run out of Houston for picking Mario Williams? If 11/12, & Sleepy help move this offense up & down the field in 2009, we will spend our time bowing down to the genuis that is Vinnie. However, if they suck we can verbally tar and feather Vinnie and cheer as he's thrown out of town. Either way, its gonna take another year before we really can evaluate if they were worth taking instead of Sam Baker. But right now I'd say Vinnie is in danger of being violently plucked.

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Hells yes I want a hamburger and I'll take 2 or 3 of those nurses to go

Posted by: superpaqman | March 24, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Did you say "violently fu..."oh wait, PLUCKED...my bad (and just a touch of wishful thinking). Let's have AH do the honors if it comes to that...

Posted by: tripz | March 24, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

But Frank Howard is the real Washington Monument. His home runs were the highest and those line drive homers the wickedest.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 4:56 PM
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Imagine if Hondo was on steroids.. at 6'8"
Isnt he the only one who hit one out of RFK? Or, did Reggie Jackson do it?
(drank with him at an L Street bar in the 90's.. liked Jim Beam)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's have AH do the honors if it comes to that...

Posted by: tripz | March 24, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

That might sting just a little.

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's have AH do the honors if it comes to that...

Posted by: tripz | March 24, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

That might sting just a little.

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009 5:22 PM

Isn't that the point? We are talking about Vinnie here...

Posted by: tripz | March 24, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Kiper: Andre Smith will not fall past No. 13

No kidding...

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"Kiper: Andre Smith will not fall past No. 13

No kidding...

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009"

Giving Serendipity Cerrato another chance to throw runish darts at his wall of player pegs as he convinces Snidely to trade down.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Jansen has been the starting RT since 1999. He's getting older, however it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could overcome the injuries and win the starting RT position again this year. His age and injury history have started to adversely effect his pass blocking. The ankle injuries in 2007 may have effected his performance at the beginning of last year, however he's starting to show his age and has become an injury liability... At worst, he will replace Fabini as the backup G/T.

It's Heyer's third year with the Skins. He's a natural LT who was forced to learn the RT position, due to injuries to Thomas and Jansen. He started (at LT) in his rookie year after injuries to both Thomas, Samuels and Jansen. Last year, he won the competition for starting RT over Jansen, but then lost it due to an injury that caused him to miss four games (BTW he missed seven games total in 2008 due to injuries). I expect him to continue to progress and challenge Jansen for the starting RT position.

Heyer is the only proven backup tackle on the roster and Devin Clark may be the only backup OL with any OT experience (not counting on Rinehart there). I expect the Skins will either draft an OT or sign a free agent (veteran or undrafted) to complete for the last backup OT position with Clark.

Posted by: siris | March 24, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Actually the highest point in DC is:
1600 K Street NW, Suite 501, Washington DC
NORML Foundation

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Giving Serendipity Cerrato another chance to throw runish darts at his wall of player pegs as he convinces Snidely to trade down.
Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 5:30

You know, I'd much rather have one player I was 90% sure about than two that I'm 45% sure about.

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I really don't know that anyone ever hit one out of RFK - Reggie's all star home run landed on top of the upper deck, I believe - I think that maybe Mickey Mantle hit one out of there during an exhibition game once....maybe.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 24, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

This is weak, but what the heck - Alex, is that Suite 420 at the NORML Foundation?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 24, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

You know, I'd much rather have one player I was 90% sure about than two that I'm 45% sure about.

Posted by: will_ga

Which is why I advocate trading up

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Alex, is that Suite 420 at the NORML Foundation?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 24, 2009 5:34 PM |

Better to be there than suite 69 of the NAMBLA foundation.

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering the same thing about maybe moving Jansen to Guard. We can't move him for salary cap reasons, so why not turn him loose on run blocking?

And I am not willing to bet on Heyer for next season. If he is such a prize, why couldn't he beat out Jansen, who struggled with injuries the last half of the season and whose production fell off? And please don't waste my time with the "superstitious coach" nonsense. That's probably is the dumbest posting of the week.

If we wish to return to O line dominance in the NFC East, you do not start with Heyer at the corner. He's looking like a reliable BU to me.

We need to take a tackle this year because next year we are going to be looking at Guard and Center.

Two years from now, Dockery might be the only guy left on the starting line.

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Better to be there than suite 69 of the NAMBLA foundation.

Posted by: will_ga

That is sooooo wrong in soooo many ways

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I really don't know that anyone ever hit one out of RFK - Reggie's all star home run landed on top of the upper deck, I believe - I think that maybe Mickey Mantle hit one out of there during an exhibition game once....maybe.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 24, 2009 5:33 PM

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I saw a video of Howard hitting one into the stands at RFK.. It was like a rocket shot, no arc for 500 ft.. Would of been 600 feet if RFK was opened in the outfield.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Zeke's plan for the Skins for the next month:

1. Acknowledge reality. We won't be able to plug in each of the major holes with our lack of cap room and lack of high picks. Some of the upcoming season will be filled by guys requiring some combo of duct tape and hope. Its reasonable to expect we fill 1 of these positions, 2 if we get lucky (last year, we filled 1 with 10 picks).

2. Trade the #13 pick and a high pick from next year for ... the #1 overall and select the top LB, Curry.

Why? Because LB is a position of current and long term need for this team and because this team will need to win with defense for the next couple years. Try to take this defense from good to elite.

3. At DE, we sign Daniels. DE is a duct tape and hope position. Its Wynn + Daniels + Montgomery or Alexander to step up. Oh yes, get Golston back.

4. For the remaining picks, all G or T, with emphasis on RT. Also hope that LT, LG, C, and RG are OK for 2009. Samuels, Dockery, Rabach and Thomas. A risk, for sure, especially Thomas. At RT, we use duct tape and hope that some combo of Jansen, Heyer and 'tbd draft pick' can play at a reasonable level. No doubt, we'll be running left.

The other obvious duct tape and hope spot is WR. No change there, its go with what we got. RDE (Carter) is a weak spot, but manageable if we have Albert playing at a high level and good LBs.

Roughly, I'm following the blueprint of the 2008 Ravens. A shutdown, elite defense with only one highly questionable spot (LDE) coupled with a conservative offense with several questions that succeeds by minimizing mistakes (which we can do).

We are going to have problem positions, no matter what we do in the draft. So go for dominance on one side of the ball, and try to upgrade the other side next year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Best description of Frank Howard, after a game he'd hit a HR and a double.

"The HR was amazing. It just took off. It was still rising when in hit the mezzanine level in left field. What's really remarkable. He hit the double even harder.

The man could crush a baseball.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I may be wrong on the exact numbers, but RFK stadium was I think over 200 ft tall, cant find the number handy. To hit a ball 400 feet and keep it that high up I am calling it impossible.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Focus on the Family is in Suit 666

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Focus on the Family is in Suit 666

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 5:53 PM

+++++++++++++++++++++
Adams Family??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

This just in, from Sports Talk 980: Renaldo Wynn officially signs. Our troubles are over my fellow 'Skins fans! Our defensive saviour has arrived! Now let's go get that OT in the draft!

Posted by: tripz | March 24, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, shouldn't Buges shoulder some of the blame for the blocking scheme? It stops at the HC, I know, but he needs his experienced position coaches to do their jobs too.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 24, 2009 1:08 PM |

I agree. One problem however is that the DL line coach, Greg Balche's old job, had 0 years of NFL experience when he started in 2008.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 24, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

That is sooooo wrong in soooo many ways
Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009 5:40

Time for my 3000 comment filter change, lube job, & hose tightening.

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I agree. One problem however is that the DL line coach, Greg Balche's old job, had 0 years of NFL experience when he started in 2008.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 24, 2009 6:08 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
not exactly..wasnt Blache with Williams for many years as asst D Coach??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Will, make sure to get your Redskins Air Freshener... wait they don't have those. WTF danny missing out on the cabby market!!!

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The longest home run ever hit in RFK Stadium by the 6-foot-7, 270-pound Frank Howard (upper deck, section 535...no numbers available on actual distance). Mickey Mantle left the park in Griffith Stadium, but not RFK. Hondo got closest.

Posted by: tripz | March 24, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

renaldo wynn.. 2 sacks, 25 tackles. yawn..
guess Vinny can turn his focus now to selecting another "Ray Guy Award" winning punter.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Sarcasm's not your strong suit, huh?

Posted by: tripz | March 24, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

"Position Battle: Right Tackle ... The truth is, the Skins are very uncomfortable about the situation here."

Which brings us to the FA Ray Willis thing. There was mention of how getting him would be a significant OL upgrade and he was brought in for meetings but nothing ever happened and he ended up returning to Seattle. One got the idea that the Skins weren't that stoked about the dude. It's true that there were cap issues but this has never thwarted the Skins if they really wanted someone. Plus Zorn was there to give the guy a pep talk the same way Sherman Smith did with AH. This must mean that the FO intends to use 13 on a OL who can come in and start right away at RT and perform better than Willis, at least say within a year. I sure hope so.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 24, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

AntonChigurh hope u are right but dont read into anything we see the front office do.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

This must mean that the FO intends to use 13 on a OL who can come in and start right away at RT and perform better than Willis, at least say within a year. I sure hope so.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

It doesn't mean that at all. Its possible. My guess is the Skins looked at cap room and decided that Wilis wasn't enough of an upgrade over Heyer and why bother.

With the #13 pick, there should be good talent available, but whether its a good fit for the Skins is a different issue.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

How long can they keep morgating the teams future picks they can't due that every year. and the number one pick would take to much money and fill to little holes.
Our team is still a couple of key injuries away from last place in the nfc east again because of no real depth. so lets not trade any future picks

Posted by: DG28 | March 24, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

There have been discussions about the pros and cons of taking Michael Oher and Andre Smith if both were available at 13. Both seem to have lots of raw talent. What about the intangibles? Oher survived a horrific childhood/adolescence that would have made almost anybody else a criminal. He lost significant weight during his collegiate career when it was clear that doing so would greatly improve his draft prospects. Smith on the other hand started disintegrating after the 2008 college football season was over even though it was time to start polishing his image if he had hopes of being an early pick. He got suspended from the team for the Sugar bowl, he acted weird at the Combine and he was overweight and out of shape when he went through his paces for pro day.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 24, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

+++my dude, I don't need to smell or taste dog sh*t, to know it's dog sh*t, you know?

Posted by: RedDMV+++

How many taste tests did it take to discover that?

Posted by: TheCork | March 24, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

+++Giving Serendipity Cerrato another chance to throw runish darts at his wall of player pegs as he convinces Snidely to trade down.

Posted by: periculum +++

I tried to find "runish" and the online dictionary asked me if I meant either "Punish" or "ruins." So while I'm not sure Runish is a real word, in this instance, it seems perfectly appropriate.

Vinny's darts punish 'skins fans and lead to ruin.

Posted by: TheCork | March 24, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

If available Smith should be the pick. Im tired of hearing about his man breasts and him being suspended for the sugar bowl. He was suspended because someone he is affiliated with contacted an agent. Since when does being cut matter for an offensive lineman. Have you seen Orlando Pace? If you want to see how good someone is check the game film. Beware the workout warriors.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 24, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

How long can they keep morgating the teams future picks they can't due that every year. and the number one pick would take to much money and fill to little holes.
Our team is still a couple of key injuries away from last place in the nfc east again because of no real depth. so lets not trade any future picks

Posted by: DG28 | March 24, 2009 6:41 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ravens game last year, in December, is a prime example of the depth issue.. Our patched up OL looked like a High School OL (and played like one) standing in front of the Ravens D Line.
Does one 1st round OL guy create depth? No.. I would rather see Vinny trade down to a lower 1st round pick and pick up a 2nd and use both picks on two baby Hogs that can start right away..... ala May and Grimm in 81 or was that 82?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

There have been discussions about the pros and cons of taking Michael Oher and Andre Smith if both were available at 13. Both seem to have lots of raw talent. What about the intangibles? Oher survived a horrific childhood/adolescence that would have made almost anybody else a criminal. He lost significant weight during his collegiate career when it was clear that doing so would greatly improve his draft prospects. Smith on the other hand started disintegrating after the 2008 college football season was over even though it was time to start polishing his image if he had hopes of being an early pick. He got suspended from the team for the Sugar bowl, he acted weird at the Combine and he was overweight and out of shape when he went through his paces for pro day.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 24, 2009 6:46 PM
*****************************************

In addition to what AntonChigurh said - Andre Smith has man-boobs. (hopefully Vinny is attracted to that).

Seriously, Andre Smith is a monster & was one of the pillars of Alabama's great season last year.
-----------------------
KRAMER: You know, Frank can't be too comfortable with those things clanging
around. He should wear something for support.

GEORGE: You mean like a bra?

KRAMER: A bra is for ladies. I'm talking about a support undergarment
specifically designed for men.

Posted by: cprob001 | March 24, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

In addition to what AntonChigurh said - Andre Smith has man-boobs.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Would that make a "holding" penalty against him criminal??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

DL Wynn == Quality Backup == DL Evans,

but much less expensive and three years older...

Posted by: siris | March 24, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Priest's plan for the Redskins (channeling Vannevar Bush, George Allen, Vince Lombardi, and Sammy Baugh!)

!*&^%$ (Baugh) Ya need offensive lineman ya pin head Vinnie!!! Jest Ask Sonny if ya don't believe me ... heck that kid Jason is gonna be alright.

Ya need some horses so ya draft Andre Smith ...

Linebackers why? That kid Marcus Washington could still play if ya hadn't spent all your money on one varmint. What about that young kid Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson? Ya usin' them for window dressing? If they can play put 'em at line backer.

That said draft a damned corner back too ... I was a safety and believe you me ya need a corner back who can run like that kid D. Green. Boy he was a real speedster!

And ya need more than one offensive linemen in case someone bites the dust ... ya need some guards and a center to back up yer starters don't ye?

And ya need a kicker ... dagged nab it. I used to kick so I know how important that is to a team. Punting and kicking those field goals.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

i saw Howard hit a home run that was incredible.. it was about 10-12 feet off the ground the entire way. the shortstop for the Red Sox leaped for it and it was a little over his glove. the center fielder
also leaped for it and it was just a little over his glove.. right over the fence.. it looked like an RPG just streaking over the fence. just barely.
probably was the hardest low liner i have ever seen hit.

also, the third base coach was nowhere near the coaching box when Howard was up at bat. nobody was asleep in the dugout either. the man had incredible strength..
nobody ever hit a baseball harder than when he was ON his stroke..

Posted by: shally | March 24, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

How nice would it be if we didnt have this RT issue?? We could trade down from our pick and take Johnson the DE from GA Tech and Sintim the LB from UVA..RIDICULOUS D

Posted by: jeffco01 | March 24, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

"i saw Howard hit a home run that was incredible.. it was about 10-12 feet off the ground the entire way. the shortstop for the Red Sox leaped for it and it was a little over his glove. the center fielder
also leaped for it and it was just a little over his glove.. right over the fence.. it looked like an RPG just streaking over the fence. just barely.
probably was the hardest low liner i have ever seen hit."

I saw the same home run close to dead center it was like a missile that was going to drill a hole in RFK.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Does one 1st round OL guy create depth? No.. I would rather see Vinny trade down to a lower 1st round pick and pick up a 2nd and use both picks on two baby Hogs that can start right away..... ala May and Grimm in 81 or was that 82?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

we'd all like to see a repeat of us drafting multiple Hogs-level quality guys for the OL. Thing is, it hasn't happened in 30 years.

Maybe its not that easy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

"How nice would it be if we didnt have this RT issue?? We could trade down from our pick and take Johnson the DE from GA Tech and Sintim the LB from UVA..RIDICULOUS D

Posted by: jeffco01 | March 24, 2009"

Last year they could have had Sam Baker starting left tackle for Atlanta and Jason Jones could be starting for them at Defensive End instead of being in Tennessee.

Instead they chose 3 replacements for Brandon Lloyd in the 2nd round. They may all end up doing more rap music than football.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Last year they could have had Sam Baker starting left tackle for Atlanta and Jason Jones could be starting for them at Defensive End instead of being in Tennessee.

Instead they chose 3 replacements for Brandon Lloyd in the 2nd round. They may all end up doing more rap music than football.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 7:27 PM |
+++++++++++++++++++++++

LOL or cry.. And the Skins are STILL paying Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe its not that easy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009"

How come Atlanta and Miami can do it and we can't?

Miami:

Jake Long T (starter)
Philip Merling DE (starter)
Chad Henne QB (3rd QB)
Kendall Langford DE (starter)
Shawn Murphy G (backup guard)
Jalen Parmele RB
Donald Thomas G (backup guard)
Lex Hilliard RB
Lionel Dotson DE (backup DE)

3 DE's
2 Guards, 1 tackle
2 running backs
1 QB

Atlanta (a team in complete disarray after
Michael Vick)

Matt Ryan QB (starter)
Sam Baker T (starter LT)
Curtis Lofton MLB (starter MLB)
Chevis Jackson CB (backup)
Harry Douglas WR (backup)
Thomas DeCoud FS (backup)
Robert James MLB
Troy Biermann DE
Thomas Brown RB (injured)
Wilrey Fontenot CB
Keith Zinger TE

Washington Snidely Skins starring
Vinnie the serendipity stooge
Devin Thomas WR (backup not even 3rd
receiver, instead Thrash)
Fred Davis TE
Malcolm Kelly WR (injured)
Chad Rhinehart T
Justin Tryon CB
Durant Brooks P
Kareem Moore S (backup)
Colt Brennan QB (3rd QB)
Rob Jackson DE
Chris Horton S (starter)

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe its not that easy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009"

How come Atlanta and Miami can do it and we can't?

Posted by: periculum

Well, Miami has Parcells, ATL has Dimitroff (who ran scouting for the Pats), we have Vinny C.

See, the answer is easy, if you think about it :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: shyde13 | March 24, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

"At this point, no one is sold that Heyer could be that guy, and he projects as more of a fill-in than a regular. He continues to work through leverage problems and is pretty raw."

How is Heyer pretty raw after two seasons with the team, many starts under his belt...all the practices and OTAs...playing is college and High school...

Hmmm and he is raw?????

Posted by: leevi98 | March 24, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe its not that easy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009"

How come Atlanta and Miami can do it and we can't?

Posted by: periculum

Well, Miami has Parcells, ATL has Dimitroff (who ran scouting for the Pats), we have Vinny C.

See, the answer is easy, if you think about it :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Fisrt off...what has Atlanta and Miami done? They have not gone farther or improved to the point where they have out done the Skins.

Posted by: leevi98 | March 24, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

anyone else think Obama should grow a beard? I do. All the coolest heros of men had beards.
Abe Lincoln
Chuck Norris
Jeasus
Obi Wan

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

All the coolest heros of men had beards.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 8:19 PM

So did the bearded lady in the circus.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

And she was cool enough for you to remember her.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

"Fisrt off...what has Atlanta and Miami done? They have not gone farther or improved to the point where they have out done the Skins.

Posted by: leevi98 | March 24, 2009"

Well first off you can't spell "first", second as usual your reading comprehension appears to be below SRA standards.

Just looking at the depth charts and statistics, number of starters, key positions filled and well wins and losses those teams did so much better than the Snidely Skins given the adversity they both had to overcome.

Last I looked with their 1st 3 picks Atlanta found 3 starters. So did Miami.

With Washington's first 3 picks? All spent most of the season on the inactive list. All had issues/problems coming up to speed both physically and mentally ... all might as well have been off the depth chart.

JAMES THRASH WAS the #3 receiver behind ARE and Moss. Where was Thomas, Kelly? Yoder was still ahead of Davis on the depth chart right up to the end of the season. Yoder wasn't released.

Need I go on? ... reading ... its good for the soul ... try it sometime. What can you produce to prove that Miami and Atlanta did worst in the draft?

Little kid I double dare you to try to prove that on this blog ...


Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

And she was cool enough for you to remember her.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 8:24 PM

I remember her as my mother's sister, Aunt Eileen. She didn't make a lot of money, but she did see the world.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

"So did the bearded lady in the circus.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 "

So does Bin Laden, Satan, and Karl Marx for starters.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

"See, the answer is easy, if you think about it :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2009"

Yes, but they don't have framed photos of Snidely's parents on their desks ...

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"I remember her as my mother's sister, Aunt Eileen. She didn't make a lot of money, but she did see the world.

talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009"

Did she make it to Russia and Brazil?

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I hear she lived in the Russian Embassy, where they have water fountains full of vodka and all the older women had facial hair so she fit in.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

"How is Heyer pretty raw after two seasons with the team, many starts under his belt...all the practices and OTAs...playing in college and High school...

Hmmm and he is raw?????

Posted by: leevi98 | March 24, 2009"

Well FIRST he wasn't a top flight tackle in college. If he had been he would have been drafted. He wasn't taught / trained / practiced the way the starters were. He had to start from scratch with the Redskins and Bugel.

SECOND, his natural physical skills are very limited. Which is why he did not engender a great deal of interest in college or in the draft.

But he does appear to have motivation and aptitude and he has impressed the veterans.

He makes a great backup in today's NFL of where the salary cap limits the quality of depth on any given team.

In Gibbs 1.0 he might make the team but he would also be 3 or 4th on the depth chart and on the taxi squad.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

In addition to what AntonChigurh said - Andre Smith has man-boobs.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 7:11 PM |

Everyone seems to be obsessing over this man-boobs crapola. Dude should have worn a training bra, we wouldn't have seen nothing and we would have been spared all this "boobs talking about boobs" stuff.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 24, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Jansen holds, the NFL record for most yards in reverse.
Even, linebackers push him backwards.

Cut his pay, and keep him for bench ballast.

Posted by: dashriprock | March 24, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone seems to be obsessing over this man-boobs crapola. Dude should have worn a training bra, we wouldn't have seen nothing and we would have been spared all this "boobs talking about boobs" stuff.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 24, 2009"

Madden would love it. Bad bodies blocking ...
Hogs rooting around in the mud. Turkey legs to reward great games.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of tackles ... Todd McShay weighs in ...
arm length makes a difference for both tackles
and guards (Andre Smith - mr man boobs).

Last year's top overall pick, OT Jake Long, was a more complete prospect when he left Michigan for the NFL than any offensive lineman in the 2009 class. That's not to say this year's crop is void of superior talent, however. In fact, there appear to be at least three tackles gifted enough to step into full-time roles as rookies and blossom into upper-echelon NFL starters for many years. Baylor's Jason Smith is a former tight end with great feet and toughness, Virginia's Eugene Monroe is a smooth technician ideally suited for a pass-heavy system, and Alabama's Andre Smith is the dancing bear of the group whose poor pre-draft decisions have overshadowed his immense potential.

While it won't stretch eight deep like it did in 2008, there could be another first-round run on offensive tackles due to lack of supply for the enormous demand. That bodes well for Mississippi's Michael Oher, Arizona's Eben Britton and Connecticut's William Beatty, who make up the second tier of talent at the position. Like Andre Smith, Oher possesses excellent feet for his size but motivation issues and inconsistent play mean drafting him in the first round is a high-risk proposition. Britton looks the part of a mauler but his game is built more on finesse than power. And Beatty is a bit too soft for our liking, but much like Duane Brown a year ago Beatty has the raw athleticism to land a spot late in the first round.

One of the greatest weapons in an NFL offensive tackle's arsenal is his length. Why? Because the difference between a sack and a completion can be a split second, and tackles with long arms force edge rushers to take a wider angle to the quarterback. As a result, players who lined up at offensive tackle in college but lack the desired arm length and/or height to play there in the NFL often fit better on the inside. Which brings us to our top guard prospect, Oregon State's Andrew Levitre ...

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe I'm about to write this...

But this was a good post by JLC. No implicit slams or insults, just...coverage.

Keep it coming.

Posted by: hithere1 | March 24, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Attempting to draft, yet again, a wide receiver to replace too many "Brandon Lloyd's" of the past decade. (mid range sleep pick)

BYU WR Austin Collie

Collie may have already peaked in terms of potential. He is a 23-year-old pass-catcher who doesn't have ideal top-end speed or explosiveness. However, he ran a much quicker 40-yard dash at his pro day than he did at the combine. He also does an excellent job of tracking the ball on film, so his speed is not as much of a concern as once thought. In addition, he masks his lack of ideal burst by running crisp short-to-intermediate routes, catching the ball in stride and fluidly tuning upfield. Collie is also a willing blocker who does a good job of getting into position and fights to sustain his blocks once locked on. He may not be flashy,

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Lost in Jason's own analysis is the question of should the team draft a rt tackle.

The answer is, "Yes, but not with the 13th pick."

If you believe the team trusts its roster, then you have to believe the team feels Heyer's moment is now.

Cornerback is a positin worthy of a lot of attention.

The team has a midget and a practice squad player behind Hall/Smoot/Rogers and could trade the 13th pick and a player (F Davis) to move down, acquire an additional pick, and snag a mid top ten corner to groom once Rogers eventually leaves--'cuz you know he will.

Malcolm Jenkins or Alphonso Smith could both be taken deep into the 1st round.

Moe likes Victor "Macho" Harris as he's a special teamer and the type of big corner (6'0', 4.45 forty-local kid).

Yes: he's not a 1st rounder, but is a better option for the team than Tyron (5'8') or Westbrook (career practice squad player). He could be acquired with a 2nd round pick, the 1st going later in the 1st round to the best player availiable.

Whoever that is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"sadly, the sport will NEVER be popular on the scale of the NFL, NBA, MLB, NASCAR, or NHL. it's just something that soccer heads will have to accept"

LAst year, DC United, averaged a higher attendance than the nats, wiz and caps all the while playing in a TEN TEAM league and in dump of a stadium. Soccer had a prmetime spot on ESPN 2 on thursday and saturday and the new seattle franchise has sold out the soccer version of quest field with 38 thousand season tickets. The league as a whole has risen in popularity, and attendance has increased every year the lague has existed, even in the bad econimic times. It will never be on the scale of football in america, no sport will ever be, but it will be he 2nd sport sooner rather than later, the current kids younger than 18 have ben raised on soccer, and they are the 1st generation that actually has a league to watch. That said, american football will also never catch up to english soccer, where every team has sold out every game for ever and the same ridiculous atmosphere we attriute to a 16 game season exists there every week twice over a 40 game season. Man U and Bayern average over 100 00 a game and there will never again be an empty seat at any game for either of these teams. More than you can say for the bengals.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 24, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"At this point, no one is sold that Heyer could be that guy, and he projects as more of a fill-in than a regular. He continues to work through leverage problems and is pretty raw."

How is Heyer pretty raw after two seasons with the team, many starts under his belt...all the practices and OTAs...playing is college and High school...

Hmmm and he is raw?????


Raw = Not that good still = Back up

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

BYU WR Austin Collie

Will he still be around 5th round?

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Moe -

Can't burn a first rounder on depth at CB. If O line doesn't do it for ya', then DE or LB before Corner IMO.

I'm still leaning towards RT with the first pick. The questions isn't whether Heyer is better then Jansen, the question should be "is he good enough to face the DE's in this division and last 16 games?" I cannot answer "yes", so I think we must act now.

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

If available Smith should be the pick. Im tired of hearing about his man breasts ... Since when does being cut matter for an offensive lineman? ...

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 24, 2009 7:02 PM |

Spreaking of being "cut", a lot of body builders have pecs bigger than most broads' boobs and you never hear any "tittering" about that.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 24, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Lions Recognize Need for Warm Bodies, Willing to Trade Down~ from fanhouse

uh-oh

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Do you think he just consolidates are posts and makes them his own then gets paid for it. throw in a few the will making it sound like it comes from the team I don't know I'm still kinda new hear.

Posted by: DG28

He writes them on his blackberry

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

for all the 11, 12, & 86 haters, put a number on success. How many catches do you want to see from 1, 2, or all these guys to call him/tham a success.

let's say Thomas gets 40 catches next year is he still a BUST?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

So much talk about RT, while Samuels is nearing the end of his rope too. So, we really need 2 tackles.

Let's take 1 in April, best available.

Smith or Oher, if they live up to their potential you've got a LT. If they don't you have a RT

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

the skins have a chance to draft one of the top tackles at 13 pick but in case those guys are gone I try to see if i can trade down and pick up additional picks with Minnesota if possible since Minnesota needs a QB 13 pick for 22 pick and either 3rd or 4round pick that would give the skins about 6picks make another move if possible with Tennessee to pick up one and 4rnd pick that gives you about7 picks then what you do is use 3rd and the 6rd picks to get 2ndpickfor next years draft.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | March 24, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Last year's top overall pick, OT Jake Long, was a more complete prospect when he left Michigan for the NFL than any offensive lineman in the 2009 class. ...

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 9:20 PM |

Ahem. Maybe the Skins should hire the Woverine's OL coach. Then, nine months down the road, this headline appears on NFL.com: "Chad Rinehart elected to 1st Pro Bowl as starter."

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 24, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

"BYU WR Austin Collie

Will he still be around 5th round?

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2009"

You never know ... might be worth it as an insurance policy against the oft injured Malcolm Kelly and the indolent Devin Thomas.

pbrian2003 Thomas won't catch 40 next year. Kelly has a better chance of doing that ...


Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about SAMUELS near the end of his career and the need for more RT's when the need is adequately filled with HEYOR and JANSEN. The o-line is set. Lets draft for need people, we need more wide-receivers and tight ends.

Love,
VINNIE (BAG-MAN) CERRATO '08

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 24, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

if any 1 of those guys catches 40 I hope it will shut up the haters

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

"Ahem. Maybe the Skins should hire the Woverine's OL coach. Then, nine months down the road, this headline appears on NFL.com: "Chad Rinehart elected to 1st Pro Bowl as starter."

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 24, 2009"

Or maybe its about why some guys go to big schools and do well while others go to small schools and remain mediocre.

Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, Taylor Jacobs, Fred Davis, Cliff Russell, Darnerian McCants, Rob Gardner, Tyler Ecker, Robert Royal ... the list goes on and on, and on and on.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

we should take O-line with every pick whether we trade down or not.

or we could take the best 4 punters, cut the 3 best pre-season performers, then cut the other 1 halfway through the season

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Last year's top overall pick, OT Jake Long, was a more complete prospect when he left Michigan for the NFL than any offensive lineman in the 2009 class. ...

Posted by: periculum

and he went #1, we're talking #13 here

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Didnt Jansen get back into the lineup because Heyer was hurt? And then once Heyer was healthy, Samuels got hurt?

Its not a true comparison to say Jansen outperformed Heyer, either, because during that run in the 2nd quarter of the season, everyone was playing lights out. JC had 0 picks, Thrash was catching TDs, Portis found his legs, and Rogers was finally playing up to his potential and Horton was Johnny on the spot.

Then... the wheels fell off, and that started as much from the top as anything, from Zorny stubbornly calling that stupid 5 yard hitch about 90 times a game, to Portis, Moss, El, Samuels, Springs, and Rogers being nicked up.

I say Heyer would probably represent an upgrade to Jansen, if only for contractual reasons. Jansen prevents us from allocating more money to the line, which prevents us from really replacing Jansen. Its a vicious cycle

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

let's say Thomas gets 40 catches next year is he still a BUST?
Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 10:15 PM

Depends. That's only 2.5 catches a game. You have to look at yards after catch, did he make 1st downs, is he getting stupid penalies, is he a go to guy or an after thought? His impact on the games is what makes him a success or not. Not just a specific number.

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

too much pressure on Portis and Cooley to carry the offense. a healthy Betts and the emergence of 1 of the '08 2nd rounders. Just 1 guys that's all we need.

We needed a BIG WR we traded down got the guy we wanted #11, picked up an extra pick, and used it on #12 (1 selection after the eagles took DeSean). If neither of those guys pay off we also got fred davis. It seems logical to me. We overloaded on what we REALLY needed, knowing that player selection is 50/50 at best.

expecting a rookie WR to be successful with a new system, new head coach, new offensivve coordinater, and a young QB is really ridiculous

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Cindy would describe Vinny as oleagenous?

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

let's say Thomas gets 40 catches next year is he still a BUST?
Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 10:15 PM

Depends. That's only 2.5 catches a game. You have to look at yards after catch, did he make 1st downs, is he getting stupid penalies, is he a go to guy or an after thought? His impact on the games is what makes him a success or not. Not just a specific number.

Posted by: will_ga

TRUE. That being said, if we're winning and he's playing he could have no catches and who cares as long as we win

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"expecting a rookie WR to be successful with a new system, new head coach, new offensivve coordinater, and a young QB is really ridiculous

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009"

SECOND ROUND picks ARE expected to learn the system while playing on the special teams. They should be capable of returning punts and kickoffs if they aren't catching passes as 3rd wide outs. They are supposed to show progress and improvement as the season progresses. Eventually they should be starters.

If they don't they are typically released. This team waited an awfully long time on Taylor Jacobs and Rod Gardner while other receivers (like Santana Moss) improved and thrived.

These guys DID NOT play on the specials. Spent most of the time on the inactive list. Did not learn the offense. Did not learn to block. Did not return punts or kickoffs.

This team needed OL and DE's more than they needed more worthless 2nd round wide receiver picks.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Just read the HORTON article LaCANFORA. My response:

HORTON wasn't even picked by me. Since we were ready to close down and all our guys were already off the board, I let an intern make the pick.

VINNIE C.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 24, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

"and he went #1, we're talking #13 here

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009"

Sam Baker starting left tackle for the 2008 playoff Atlanta Falcons.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

"HORTON wasn't even picked by me. Since we were ready to close down and all our guys were already off the board, I let an intern make the pick.

VINNIE C.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 24, 2009"

Let the intern pick from the beginning this year.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

In a thread about the Oline, I find its healthy to remind everyone that its worth noting that even though the Redskins rookie WRs had a less than stellar showing this past year (thus the draft connection to Oline), none of the rookie WR class broke the top 20 in receiving yardage.

Eddie Royal and DeSean Jackson dive have good seasons, but both had the benefit of established offenses around them and tremendous amounts of playing time.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I thought the veteran lineman on both sides of the ball EARNED another season, by the tremendous display of CHARACTER exhibited in '07.

They got old last year not the year before.

Tryon was our best gunner at the end of last season, Thomas and Davis ceratinly showed improvment towards the end of the season, Davis started the last 2 games

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Let Bugel and Blache pick this year Vinnie ... you can always look at Snidely's parent's framed photo while the experts do their magic.

Stay away from the draft, else I might have to sic Priest Holmes on you. :)

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Sam Baker starting left tackle for the 2008 playoff Atlanta Falcons.

Posted by: periculum

please go on...

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Tryon was our best gunner at the end of last season, Thomas and Davis ceratinly showed improvment towards the end of the season, Davis started the last 2 games

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009"

DAVIS DID NOT START ANY game. Since when did he replace Chris Cooley or Yoder at any point? You are an idiot clearly.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

"please go on...

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009"

Sam Baker was the Redskins 1st round pick last year. But you seem to prefer Fred Davis ...

sheesh the intellectual acumen on this blog continues to sink to new all-time lows.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Thomas's stats were about as good as D.J. Hackett's and Brandon Lloyd's

Thomas is a KR by the way, but we have Rock.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I just prefer to give people a chance rather than be a hater and a gossiper.

Would you rather have our receivers not work out so YOU are right, or have at least 1 work out so the team is better????

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

DAVIS DID NOT START ANY game. Since when did he replace Chris Cooley or Yoder at any point? You are an idiot clearly.

Posted by: periculum

check his stats and see who is "clearly an idiot"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Tryon, a rookie, has served in the gunner role for the past three games, after Leigh Torrence was waived. Smith said Tryon -- who also was flagged for a false start in punt coverage -- "should get that ball" that bounced near the 10, but that the Giants returner made an effective fake. "We've got to punt the ball better," Smith said. "We made a switch there, and I don't know if we've hit it or not. I call it execution under pressure. I mean, you've got to execute under pressure, you've got to execute in pressure situations. . . . You've got to establish a consistency there, and in my opinion we haven't established a consistency there."

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

cleveland and san fran, hooooooopty

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

"check his stats and see who is "clearly an idiot"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009"

NFL.COM listed as THIRD on the depth chart behind Chris Cooley and Todd Yoder.

1 game started ... against San Francisco. The last meaningless game. where he did not even catch a pass.

And a game in Cleveland in October probably injury related.

Totals for the year ...

ELEVEN games 3 passes caught longest 15 yards.
1 rush for -3 yards.

Todd Yoder had 3 tackles on the specials Fred Davis had none.


Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cooley started all 16 games at tight end. So at what position did Fred Davis "start"?

No tackles on the specials, 3 passes caught ... maybe he was in a blocking package with 2 tight ends ...

pabrian you are an idiot.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

so he did start, but you called ME an idiot.

hypothetical, you can start your team with one player and it's Davis or Yoder who do you take?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cooley started all 16 games at tight end. So at what position did Fred Davis "start"?

No tackles on the specials, 3 passes caught ... maybe he was in a blocking package with 2 tight ends ...

pabrian you are an idiot.

Posted by: periculum

It was a 2 TE set, remember the set Gibbs invented to play against Lawrence Taylor....and I'm an idiot???

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Would you rather have our receivers not work out so YOU are right, or have at least 1 work out so the team is better????

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Todd Yoder appeared in all 16 games and also purportedly started 2 at the beginning of the season. Against NYG and New Orleans.

He caught 8 passes for 50 yards and a touchdown. No rushing attempts. 3 tackles on the specials.

Fred Davis is THIRD STRING can we say THIRD??? Or is that concept hard for you to grasp?

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

"Would you rather have our receivers not work out so YOU are right, or have at least 1 work out so the team is better????

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009"

Shall we compare what the Eagles rookie WR did?
Yoder should have been replaced by Davis by the end of the season ... he is after all a SECOND ROUND pick? Davis, like Thomas and Kelly is a flop.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Do you have any of tha games recorded? See who is on the field for more offensive snaps Davis or Yoder. He WAS the third stringer, can we grasp the concept of WAS????

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

"It was a 2 TE set, remember the set Gibbs invented to play against Lawrence Taylor....and I'm an idiot???

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009"

Yeah you are. Gibbs invented something called Heavy Jumbo which is not a 2 tight end set.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Shall we compare what the Eagles rookie WR did?

are we Eagles fans?

Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown were injured at the same time, moving Jackson up in the depth chart. Plus, having a veteran QB with extensive knowledge of the 75% pass system, may have made a difference. Or, does it all happen in a vacuum?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

"Do you have any of tha games recorded? See who is on the field for more offensive snaps Davis or Yoder.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009"

Davis 11 games, Yoder 16 games. Yoder 8 passes and a touchdown. Davis 3 passes and an ill conceived running play.

Sure seems like Yoder was now doesn't it.

THIRD STRING even at the end.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

"Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown were injured at the same time, moving Jackson up in the depth chart. Plus, having a veteran QB with extensive knowledge of the 75% pass system, may have made a difference. Or, does it all happen in a vacuum?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009"

Shall we compare Atlanta with a ROOKIE quarterback?

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Didier and Warren weren't on the field together??? I'm surprised the "intellectual acumen" has reduced to calling people idiots. People who remember the 2 te sets Gibbs pioneered becasue we had to figure out a way to block LT.

Keep rooting for the Redskins to fail and I will root for them to succeed

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Davis 11 games, Yoder 16 games. Yoder 8 passes and a touchdown. Davis 3 passes and an ill conceived running play.

Sure seems like Yoder was now doesn't it.

THIRD STRING even at the end.

It seems that way until you review the game. Get a Tivo

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Shall we compare Atlanta with a ROOKIE quarterback?

are we falcon's fans?

If you want to compare entirely different situations, let's do it.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

WHen you lose your QB to prison and have a low 1st round pick you take a QB.

WHen you don't have a possesion receiver you take a possesion receiver

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

4th -
Justice David. H. Souter read quotes about Clinton from the movie: "She will lie about anything. She is deceitful. She is ruthless, cunning, dishonest, do anything for power, will speak dishonestly, reckless, a congenital liar, sorely lacking in qualifications, not qualified as commander in chief."

My quote about Clinton: "She's a lawyer."

Po - TAY - to
Po - TAH - to.

Posted by: daggar | March 24, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

And without Hilary, you wouldn't have the classic childhood chant "Liar, Liar, pantsuit on fire"

Posted by: daggar | March 24, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Quit hating on our top three draft picks from last year they aren't busts yet. Yes thomas needs to learn how to run a route but they knew he was a project. Yes kelly can't stay healthy. If he could have stayed healthy he would have gone in the top half of the first round not the bottom half of the second. Yes davis couldn't replace Yoder but if you saw in college then you would know he was a physical specimen who would need a few years to develop but since they have cooley thats not a big deal. I didn't agree with these picks when they happened but there redskins now so don't hate so much! Very few pass catchers exploded thier first year give them a chance.

Posted by: DG28 | March 25, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | March 25, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

"Awww, Eli, What a grreeaatt day for a ballgame!"

Growing up with George Kell, Al Kaline, and Ernie Harwell made baseball fun. I know at least one reason why I can't be bothered to watch/listen anymore.

Posted by: daggar | March 25, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

A blast from the past:

I ran across this grade of "A" for last year's Skins draft by Yahoo's Charles Robinson. For those complaining about the lack of picks this year, remember we had 10 last year:

Picks: WR Devin Thomas, TE Fred Davis, WR Malcolm Kelly, OL Chad Rinehart, DB Justin Tryon, P Durant Brooks, DB Kareem Moore, QB Colt Brennan, DL Rob Jackson, DB Chris Horton
Positives: Thomas, Davis, Kelly, Brooks
Negative: Defensive end not addressed until the seventh round.
Bottom line: A. Ten overall picks with lots of potential from top to bottom. The two wideouts slipped a little and could all end up providing great value. Thomas and Kelly could develop into quality big targets, and an AFC scout told Yahoo! Sports in February that Davis was the best overall talent at tight end in this draft. The punter need was addressed with the best one the college game had to offer in Brooks. Brennan is an intriguing pick late in the sixth round. A lot of potential starters in this draft.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 25, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Discussions about how to improve the Skins OL have ranged far and wide. One FA OL name I have seen a time or two on this blog is Richie Incognito. Richie is a spirited competitor but I am not sure how much of an upgrade he would be if the Skins got him. Imagine this scenario. In a game, a weird deception play is called where Richie, a center, is supposed to pull and block for Clinton Portis. Richie blows his assignment and Portis gets mauled after a one yard gain. A couple days later, in a OL meeting, the coaches and players are doing a post mortem and view video clips of the play where Richie forked up. One of the coaches watches the clips and screams "Richie, where the hell were you on that play, I don't see you within 10 yards of Portis?" To which Chad Rinehart responds: "Well, what did you expect? He is Incognito."

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 25, 2009 4:11 AM | Report abuse

still think that run by Fred Davis was the most random stupid play ever. Tight End Around.. WTF.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 7:07 AM | Report abuse

still think that run by Fred Davis was the most random stupid play ever. Tight End Around.. WTF.

Posted by: alex35332

I totally agree with you on that one Alex.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 25, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

still think that run by Fred Davis was the most random stupid play ever. Tight End Around.. WTF.

Posted by: alex35332

You've got to hand it to Zorn, though. It was unexpected.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 25, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

I didn't like the way Zorn handled the rookies. If you take a receiver in the second round he should play, and if he can't run the routes, either coach him up or throw the ball to the routes he does run well. All of that "they've got to earn the right" is crap!

I think Devin Thomas will take a big step this year.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 25, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

"still think that run by Fred Davis was the most random stupid play ever. Tight End Around.. WTF."

I was at that game. My brother and I couldn't see past the Brown's D-line from the endzone, so we thought Sleepy picked up a botched handoff in the backfield or something. That was the slowest developing "play" I've ever seen.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 25, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

rickyroge

'..I think Devin Thomas will take a big step this year...'

I hope so, too.

I also hope one of the midget special teamer guys is used as a slot receiver-out of the backfield backs to get some break out speed onthe field.

The skins 'offense features no true speed outside of Moss. Another speed threat--like a Sproles-type guy-- would serve the team well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

agreed. coaches job is to coach. zorn blew it by not creating specific packages for devin thomas i.e. philly+ d.jackson. the book on thomas according to zorn was that he couldn't learn the plays. i'm sorry...any player can learn a "go" route and a WR screen at the very least

if he could have done this effectively it would have helped to open up the offense a little better.

majority of ire needs to fall on zorns unnecessary stubborness which is inexcuseable for a first year coach with no experience...this is improvement #1 for this season in my opinion.

Posted by: carsonspence | March 25, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

"The skins 'offense features no true speed outside of Moss."

Isn't that what Thomas was supposed to be? Wasn't he one of those combine freaks that blew scouts away with his measurables? I saw that he ran somewhere between a 4.34 and 4.4 40-yard dash. It's a shame plays weren't drawn up to showcase this, other than his endaround TD run.

Posted by: psps23 | March 25, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I had a lot of problems w/ Zorn even before the decline. I like him, but what the SJK has he "Earned"??!! So to be as stubborn as he was really irked me.

I think the best coarches learn to work with their team. Yes, you have a methodology, but it doesn't become dogma overnight. Especially if you're a newbie like Zorn.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 25, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

"Now, if that happens to be a high pick, I'd be pretty surprised if there's much competition; he'd be given every chance to seize the job."

Why does the draft pick got to be a guy??? This blog is sexist and I won't stand for it anymore.

Posted by: Pleepleus | March 25, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Here’s my whacky suggestion for the day: Draft a tackle to start at RT, keep Heyer as the backup for both LT and RT, and since Jansen can’t be cut due to cap reasons, let him be a general OL backup, take the tape off his hands and see if he can catch. He could compete with Yoder/Davis for the 3rd TE spot mainly as a blocker, but give him 7 or 8 catches throughout the year to keep defenses honest. Picture a 3rd and 1 with Jansen coming in motion to seal off the edge and Sellars leading Portis…..1st down every time.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 25, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

psp/carson, agreed 1-trillion percent. that to me was all on zorn, and sherm for not adjusting, not utilizing his assets......to me, that doomed the offense.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 25, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I got a question, what would you say are the 5 most memorable coaching play call moments of 2008, best and worst. Sadly I can name my 5 worst quicker.

In no particular order worst:

End Around to Davis
Running up the gut with Sellers 2x on the goal line w the fumble
Game 2 vs Philly, w/Montgomery (?) covering Westbrook
Geisinger playing OT vs Baltimore
Starting Janson over Heyer

No order Best:
Embracing Shotgun for a while to get JC going
Cobra Package
Moving Cooley back to more of an H back role
Getting D. Thomas involved with 3 end arounds for 50+ yards
Moving Taylor off the line into a LB spot.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

"zorn blew it by not creating specific packages for devin thomas i.e. philly+ d.jackson."

It's pretty tiring hearing this excuse. Both DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal were successful last year because they were players. Jackson had more receiving yards last season than any Philly receiver since 2002 not named Terrell Owens (2004) or Kevin Curtis (2007). Players don't produce simply because they get thrown to the wolves. You have to be able to actually play.

Randle El was a 16 game starter and fell ~400 yards short of Jackson's total last year. If it was as simple as being put in the game, Randle El would have produced to a satisfactory level. And as it stood, even as a 3rd receiver Thomas couldn't produce to a satisfactory level of a #3 guy.

There are no excuses for Thomas. Let's just hope he actually gets his act together.

Posted by: psps23 | March 25, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Philly receiver since 2002 not named Terrell Owens (2004) or Kevin Curtis (2007).

This statment doesn't make any sense. You are excluding the only recievers of value on the team.

I don't know that it is all that special to have more yards than the crumbbums other than Owens and Curtis.

Posted by: Pleepleus | March 25, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't stubbornness the knock on Gibbs in his rookie year, then he adjusted the system to fit the players year two?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Worst coaching moment for me: Game one with time running out Zorn going after the elusive 9 point touchdown.

Posted by: will_ga | March 25, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Worst coaching moment for me: Game one with time running out Zorn going after the elusive 9 point touchdown.

Posted by: will_ga | March 25, 2009 8:55 AM

For me it was not figuring out how to stop Dallas from running the clock out with 14 straight runs after our offense continiued to sjk the bed.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 25, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Mayock's Top 20 Prospects (by position) :

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80dff358&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Interesting that he has Maybin tied with Matthews for OLB, and he has Ayers as the top DE prospect.

Best evaluation?

"Herman Johnson, LSU : Largest baby in La. history, scheme-specific player"

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 25, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Well Alex, we can only hope Zorny 1.0 can have similar success!


heheHAIL!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 25, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Friend: Plaxico scared of prison term.

With his hands at least dropping the soap shouldn't be a problem.

Posted by: will_ga | March 25, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 25, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"You are excluding the only recievers of value on the team."

Hence the point. Jackson is a receiver of value. Thomas, on the other hand, has not earned that distinction yet. It's not like Brandon Lloyd, David Patten, or Kennan McCardell were putting up mind-numbing numbers here, let alone Randle El. Thomas couldn't even top those jokes.

Posted by: psps23 | March 25, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what the salary cap implications would be for letting Jansen go, but the team really needs to think about how they can accomodate that. Keeping an old player on the roster simply because you cannot afford to let him go is just stupid. If this team can figure out how to pay Haynesworth, Dockery and Hall a truckload of money when they are cap strapped, then they can surely figure out how to make letting Jansen go work out. It's time to look to the future of this position. Heyer may be in the plan and if they draft a tackle, that guy will be in the plan as well. It doesn't sound like there's room left for Jansen.

This team has to develop an uncompromised dedication to getting rid of older players that are on the decline and holding on to young players on the rise. In a perfect world, a guy like Demetric Evans stays, and a guy like Jansen goes. The Redskins actually got it right with letting Springs go and re-signing Hall. They got it right by letting go Washington because he is clearly on the decline. Then they turn around and sign Wynn who is clearly on the decline. Then they make an offer for Daniels who has seen better days, and there is talk that they could bring Washington back. How do you get better when you recycle guys who cannot stay healthy? Better off to develop Buzbee and Jackson, and possibly sliding one of the tackles over to end. Better to let Blades and Fincher fight it out for strong side linebacker. Better to let Jansen go, deal with the cap implications, let Heyer start and draft a rookie or two that can compete for the backup role. Look how the Steelers operate. They are letting guys go, but there is always some developing player stepping up. This is the philosophy the Redskins need.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 25, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Don't love the idea of using a EA Sports analogy. But I think all of us here who have done a Redskins Franchise mode, and at some point JJ catches up to you as do so many of the big name players on this team with big contracts. The worst to deal with is usually CP because you see him at some point just in the tank, no speed and a super contract.

But at some point the team must bite the bullet.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

RedSkin,

Here are the numbers you are looking for:

Keep Jansen this year 3.4mil cap hit

Release Jansen this year 6.1mil cap hit

Keep jansen nexy year 6.4mil cap hit

Release Jansen next year 4.1mil cap hit

Jansen will be released next year, but it is actually cheaper to keep him as a backup this year even if he doesn't play.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 25, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Can only be in wait and see mode with D-Thom. However the tea leaves are nervous.
While I agree that Zorn mishandled it, I think a good amount of the blame game has to rest with the player as well.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 25, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/nflnewsfeed/2009/03/terrell-owens-bitter-past-sweeter-future.html

We all blast TO for his foolishness, however we got to give him credit on this one. Good work TO

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 25, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"Look how the Steelers operate. They are letting guys go, but there is always some developing player stepping up. This is the philosophy the Redskins need."

Easy with the Steeler talk in here, you might get blasted. The thing with the Steelers : they seem to draft well. Oh, and their coaches seem to do a great job fitting guys into schemes.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 25, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

The worst to deal with is usually CP because you see him at some point just in the tank, no speed and a super contract.

But at some point the team must bite the bullet.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 9:17 AM |

Alex,

I trade all those guy after my first season, and build through the draft taking cheap FA's here and there just to fill out the roster.

CP normally gets me a 1st and a 3rd, Jansen is only good for a 4th or 5th.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 25, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

the redskins should trade back to say pick #20 with the detroit lions and maybe get their 2nd round pick in the process at #20 there should be a tackle available and with an early 2nd round they can get a DE/LB and with a 3rd pick they can get more depth on the o-line/cb/dline (or lb if not picked in 2nd)

Posted by: sp2k9 | March 25, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I just think those are the 2 players who always hurt the hardest on the cap any time you play that game, so I expect that to be accurate for the real team someday.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

the redskins should trade back to say pick #20 with the detroit lions

Detroit is already trying to trade down from the 1st pick. I doubt they want to go back up from 20 to 13.

Posted by: will_ga | March 25, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I just think those are the 2 players who always hurt the hardest on the cap any time you play that game, so I expect that to be accurate for the real team someday.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 9:26 AM |

Jansen is gone for 4mil next year, CP's contract will be a problem unless the NFL goes uncapped.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 25, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't stubbornness the knock on Gibbs in his rookie year, then he adjusted the system to fit the players year two?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 8:54 AM

Doc Walker says on his radio show all the time it was after the 5th game of the 1st year when he changed his game plan from 'Air Coryell' to more of a run control first, then 'Coryell' it down the field. (He didn't use those phrases. I was just dumbing it down for RI)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

jm, good call on TO. I'm quick to blast and slow to praise, but he deserves props for his work. Good for him.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 25, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

the redskins should trade back to say pick #20 with the detroit lions

Detroit is already trying to trade down from the 1st pick. I doubt they want to go back up from 20 to 13.

Posted by: will_ga | March 25, 2009 9:28 AM |

will,

You mean to tell me the Skins can't just tell the Lions we want to trade back and it will happen.

After reading some posters up here, I thought you could just trade back because you wanted to.

Don't worry Vinny will be crucified for not trading back, even if there is nobody to trade with.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 25, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

flound, lol, yes he will....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 25, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I remember thrash being an excellent gunner in 04, geaming up with team mvp Tom Tupa to make many a play on 4th down and long

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 25, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I think Mayhew might do okay in Detroit. He knows their picks, after the 1st overall, are likely to generate decent value so why screw that up by going after pricier players? Its not like they are one guy away from the playoffs. They have a long way to go.

Posted by: will_ga | March 25, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins' success will depend on 3 factors:

1) whether a new starting RT is brought in.

2) whether the OL stays relatively healthy, particularly Samuels and Thomas.

3) whether there is significant production from Thomas and/or Kelly.

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 25, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I knw we are strapped for slaray cap space, but here is what confuses me-

If Jansen is such bad pass blocker that the offense doesnt function with him in, why is he even a backup. If he's not going to start because he is so deficient in one facet pf the game, i find it hard to believe they would even stick him in here as a backup, expecially as a health risk to JC. We need to kick him into guard, and draft at least a tackle in the 3rd round who can be a capablebackup and sart down he lin.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 25, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

mmmmmmm.....donuts....still warm

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 25, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg


Select the former Florida Marlins' pitcher who will have the best season this year:

Brad Penny
AJ Burnett
Josh Beckett

'Nuther Question:

Who protects Big Papi in the Red Sox batting line up?

'Nuther Question:

Select the pitcher that will have the most impact on the AL East race:

CC Sabathia
Dice K
Scott Kazmir
Mariano Rivera
Jon Papelbon
Jamie Shields

'Nuther Question:

When Schilling goes into the HOF, will he wear a Sox or a Phillies' ball cap?

Final Question:

David Price will be the AL Rookie of the Year and the Rays will repeat as AL East Champs.

a.)True b.)False

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I've decided that the skins should draft Robert Ayers at #13. Now for that 3rd round pick...

Posted by: TWISI | March 25, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

would ou guys be for trding our next 3 1sts to detroit for 1 and 20. We get aaron curry, defensive hole filled for 15 years, and then we either get oher or smith if they aregone we trade back and get and exra 2nd next year and get one of the center types. When you trade up, you are moving up, aquiring a player, but when you trade down, you are backing into a player, and this often doesnt work (ex 1, kid n play)

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 25, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

DaFunBunch

'....If Jansen is such bad pass blocker that the offense doesnt function with him in, why is he even a backup....'


Jansen's case is what happens when you re-do a guy's conract so much you can't cut him because of the cap hit, but he really is in declining years, and isn't worth the money he's making.

Most teams would've cut Jansen after his last major injury marred season, drafted a rt, and moved on.

Look at how the iggles cut Jon Runyon, B Dawkins, and Tra Thomas as the right way to end a professional relationship with a player who's at that tipping point that signals his end is near.

But in redskinsland, we have to pay guys way past their prime for fear of the money hit.

You think Jansen's case is bad, wait 'til Portis' final days come.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

If its me. I let Portis play out this contract as much as you can, think he has 5 years left.

If somehow you do that, he still has gas in the tank at the end, I think you offer him a Albright style, we want to go year by year deals, if he does not like that he can walk.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Ummm..isn't Albright the long snapper? Wouldn't it be a bit of a problem if he refused to look backwards?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 25, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

would ou guys be for trding our next 3 1sts to detroit for 1 and 20. We get aaron curry, defensive hole filled for 15 years, and then we either get oher or smith if they aregone we trade back and get and exra 2nd next year and get one of the center types. When you trade up, you are moving up, aquiring a player, but when you trade down, you are backing into a player, and this often doesnt work (ex 1, kid n play)

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 25, 2009 9:53 AM

NO, NO, and NO!!!!!!!

You dont mortgage your future like that and you especially dont do it in a year where there is no clear consensus #1 in the draft. Aaron Curry may very well be the best prospect in this class and he would fill a position of need for us. But no way is he, or really any player in years, the type of once in a generation prospect that would warrant a move like that.

Short term thinking like this is the main reason that the Skins have had such limited success under Danny boy.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | March 25, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

David Price = Yes, AL Rookie of year.

The thing about Jansen is that he believes he can be a starting RT in this league. From what I understand about his injury a couple of seasons ago, he will be more physically capable of handling the position this year than he was last year. We can only hope so, right? B/c he's not getting cut.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"would ou guys be for trding our next 3 1sts..."

How many ways can one say no?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 25, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Select the former Florida Marlins' pitcher who will have the best season this year:

Brad Penny
AJ Burnett - I just see him with 18-20 wins and 200k's in NY
Josh Beckett

'Nuther Question:

Select the pitcher that will have the most impact on the AL East race:

CC Sabathia - Should benefit from Yankees lineup
Dice K
Scott Kazmir
Mariano Rivera - Joba takes his spot as closer if he gets injured.
Jon Papelbon
Jamie Shields

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Moe, here goes:
1. Florida Pitcher - I'm going with Beckett, because as history has indicated he usually follows up mediocre seasons, with really good seasons. He was pretty ok, last year, I'd expect him to be lights out this year, and he's coming up on a contract to boot.
2. Protection for Papi - I'm not sure, really good question however. I think if they went Ellsbury, Pedrioia, Papi, Youks, he's being protected, somewhat.
3. AL East P - Kazmir, he's just filthy
4. Shill - If he goes into the HOF and there is no guarantee that he will, probably with an B on his hat. 2 Championships in 4 years
5. I can see the Rays repeating, don't know enough about D. Price to say one way or another...

good stuff moe....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 25, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

When Schilling goes into the HOF, will he wear a Sox or a Phillies' ball cap?

We'll never know....

Posted by: will_ga | March 25, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant idea I just heard on the Junkies for the DC united stadium, if you did not hear their proposal was voted down by PG.

George Mason wants to get a football program going, work with them on a stadium in VA that can serve both purposes, (could also do that with a DC school, do it with Howard U or American, GW, would say G-Town but they are already building a new FB stadium I think. Build a stadium just outside a college campus and negotiate with the school to rent it out as a football field when they can.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

That's actually how a lot of the high schools down here do their football fields - in my district, there is a huge, gourgeous multi-use complex that is used for football, soccer, concerts, semi-pro football - etc.

http://www.berrycenter.net/

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 25, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Guess I am the only person here who thinks DC/NOVA should have a Div 1 FB team to become a good local rival for MD, not in the ACC but maybe in C-USA, Big East or some other conference.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

John,
Thats because you texans usually allocate 50% of the school budgets to sports.
ZING!

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

alex

'...I let Portis play out this contract as much as you can, think he has 5 years left...'

I think Portis winds up where Fred Taylor is now: a guy with numbers approaching HOF territory, but not good enough to get in.

Portis himself should lobby for the skins to go a little pass happy as it'll save his body from the massive hits he takes from carrying the ball 20-30 times a game for 16 games.

Samuels, on the other hand, will perhaps be the only skins player from this generation to get any HOF notice. He's worth every penny they pay him. He could switch to the right side and extent his career.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Cooley keeps the numbers up and he could get in.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

matthew vickers:

"BAD" PENNY of course.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 25, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Great Red Sox stuff.. and here I am on my laptop wifi pulling traps in Gloucester...

BeantownGreg


Select the former Florida Marlins' pitcher who will have the best season this year:

Brad Penny
AJ Burnett
* Josh Beckett

'Nuther Question:

Who protects Big Papi in the Red Sox batting line up? Trick question.. Pedie, Lowrie, Lowell, even Ells..no one knows yet.

'Nuther Question:

Select the pitcher that will have the most impact on the AL East race:

CC Sabathia
*Dice K (breakout year)
Scott Kazmir
Mariano Rivera
Jon Papelbon
Jamie Shields

'Nuther Question:

When Schilling goes into the HOF, will he wear a Sox or a Phillies' ball cap? SOX.. its a bigger media market..haha

Final Question:

David Price will be the AL Rookie of the Year and the Rays will repeat as AL East Champs.

a.)True

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 9:48 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 25, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

periculum:

Yours of 11:01 p.m. last night.

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 25, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"The skins 'offense features no true speed outside of Moss."

Isn't that what Thomas was supposed to be? ... It's a shame plays weren't drawn up to showcase this, other than his endaround TD run.

Posted by: psps23 | March 25, 2009 8:40 AM |

"zorn blew it by not creating specific packages for devin thomas i.e. philly+ d.jackson."

It's pretty tiring hearing this excuse. ...

Posted by: psps23 | March 25, 2009 8:51 AM |

MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder) alert! MPD alert! Someone get this dude back on his meds, stat!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 25, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse


Moe answers his own Yankee flavored questions.

Select the former Florida Marlins' pitcher who will have the best season this year:

AJ Burnett

'Nuther Question:

Who protects Big Papi in the Red Sox batting line up?

It doesn't matter as the AL East will be all about pitching and defense this season.
The days of the big 3 run home runs are over

'Nuther Question:

Select the pitcher that will have the most impact on the AL East race:

CC Sabathia
Mariano Rivera

'Nuther Question:

When Schilling goes into the HOF, will he wear a Sox or a Phillies' ball cap?

He'll be wearing a bloody tampon, ....err sock as he won't get in the HOF as he's a professional whiner.

Final Question:

David Price will be the AL Rookie of the Year and the Rays will repeat as AL East Champs.

b.)False

Brett Gardner will be the AL Rookie of the Year and the Yanks will win a lot of well -pitched low scoring games and re-take the division from the expansion team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Quite true, quite true - they do spend a lot on sports down here - and today, the State Board of Textbook Approval or whatever is debating evolution once again ...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 25, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

antonchigur: "MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder) alert! MPD alert! Someone get this dude back on his meds, stat!"

Whoops, you're too late. MPD disappeared years ago. Maybe you could say it 'split.'

Posted by: Samson151 | March 25, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "Samuels, on the other hand, will perhaps be the only skins player from this generation to get any HOF notice. He's worth every penny they pay him. He could switch to the right side and extent his career."

Maybe you think the right side is easier on the body than the left side? Otherwise I'm not understanding this.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 25, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

My GF grew up down there John, well sugar land so I know all about it.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

“I’ve got Bruce Lee on my triceps. If it wasn’t for Bruce, we might have been in trouble.”—Yankees RHP A.J. Burnett, who was struck by a line drive on his left arm, which features a tattoo of Lee, the martial arts icon.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Good morning...new post coming shortly, followed later by a Zorn update from the owners' meetings....also wanted to warn you that there may be a couple of hours this afternoon in which you cannot post comments up here. We are doing a blog upgrade.

Posted by: CindyBoren | March 25, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Quite true, quite true - they do spend a lot on sports down here - and today, the State Board of Textbook Approval or whatever is debating evolution once again ...Posted by: JohnDinHouston"

I've heard it said that the best evidence that man doesn't evolve is Texas.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 25, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Hey Cyn I hope all is well with you.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 25, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I heard that Texas was an example of de-evolution.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

avg yrds from scrimmage per game minimum 85 games
1. jim brown
2. L.T.
3. Barry Sanders
4. Edgeirrn James
5. Walter Payton
6. Clinton Portis

Most rushing yards, first seven seasons
Eric Dickerson: 11,226
LaDainian Tomlinson: 10,650
Barry Sanders: 10,172
Emmitt Smith: 10,160
Walter Payton: 9,608
Jim Brown: 9,322
Curtis Martin: 9,267
Edgerrin James: 9,226
Clinton Portis: 9,202
Most rushing touchdowns, first seven seasons
LaDainian Tomlinson: 115
Emmitt Smith: 108
Shaun Alexander: 96
Jim Brown: 82
Eric Dickerson: 82
Earl Campbell: 73
Barry Sanders: 73
Jim Taylor: 73
Clinton Portis: 72
Most alter egos, first seven seasons
Clinton Portis: 16
Everyone else: 0

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Alex,

I think you are referring to Alabama.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Samules 1999 1st round from Alabama, Outland Trophy Winner
Smith 2009 1st round from Alabama, Outland Trophy Winner

hmmmm

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

excerpt - Portis himself should lobby for the skins to go a little pass happy [to save his body]

Posted by: MistaMoe

The great thing about Portis is he hits harder when he blocks for his QB than he does to protect himself while running. He's putting up huge numbers. Remember he came out as a Sophomore he's 27 until Sept 1.

I vote Portis HOF and Samuels, FLETCHER ?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I dont see the offense improving next season, nothin has been dont to improve the OL and dockery isnt the answer..CAN WE HAVE A REAL GM?? Is this to much to ask for??..IM so mad!!

Posted by: hanimal03 | March 25, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

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