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Redskins can't hold on, finish 4-12

Despite playing the San Diego Chargers back-ups for the better part of the game and holding a lead late in the game, the Washington Redskins ended their season with yet another loss in which they let a fourth-quarter lead slip away.

Washington fell to the Chargers 23-20 on Sunday behind a touchdown from San Diego fullback Mike Tolbert on a pass from Billy Volek with 35 seconds remaining, and the Redskins finished the year - and likely Jim Zorn's coaching career in Washington, with a 4-12 record.

Trailing by four after three quarters, the Chargers moved the ball early in the fourth behind Volek enough to get within field goal range for kicker Nate Kaeding, who drilled a 45-yard field goal with 12:11 remaining in the game to pull the Chargers within a point at 17-16.

The Redskins responded, however, with a drive that ate up more than seven and a half minutes of clock and ended with their own field goal - albeit after a frustrating penalty.

Washington picked its way down the field with short passes and runs. Jason Campbell kept the drive alive early with a four-yard run on third and one, and Marcus Mason ripped off a 17 yard run on second and 12 to put the Redskins in San Diego territory. On third and three, Campbell again rushed to keep the drive alive, picking up four yards again. After a fumble on first down that he recovered, Campbell found Fred Davis for 15 yards and a penalty moved the Redskins to the Chargers' 12.

A short pass to Mike Sellers and rushes from Mason and Quinton Ganther moved the ball to the one-yard line, but after sending out the offense to go for it after a timeout, a Derrick Dockery false start pushed the Redskins backed and they settled for a 25-yard Gano field goal to extend the lead to 20-16.

But the Chargers were not done.

A 22-yard kickoff return gave San Diego the ball at their own 42-yard line with 4:25 to play, and they immediately started to move the chains.

Two consecutive short passes from Volek, including a five-yard pass on third and three, pushed the Chargers into Redskins territory. Another third down completion kept the drive alive, and after Justin Tryon dropped an easy, game-ending interception, Volek hit running back Michael Bennett on two consecutive swing passes to move from the 32-yard line to the Redskins' 12.

Volek found Craig Davis for 11 yards to the one-yard line, with Kareem Moore keeping the Chargers' receiver out of the end zone on a play that was upheld by review with 1:08 to play. Bennett was stuffed in the backfield on the next play by defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery, but Volek found a wide open Mike Tolbert in the end zone on second down to give the Chargers the game-winning points with 35 seconds left in the game.

By Paul Tenorio  |  January 3, 2010; 7:23 PM ET
 
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Sonny Jurgensen said the Redskins will not draft a QB in the first round and will re-sign Jason Campbell. They will go O-Line with the first pick.

Sonny also said that Vinny will not be back and changes will be made about a month before Vinny resigned.

Sonny knows what he's talking about.

Posted by: Skins1 | January 3, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

We will have the #4 pick now because we lost to the chiefs so that probably means Okung, Bradford, and Berry will be there at #4. To me it is COMPLETELY OBVIOUS we need to take OKUNG.

This situation is just like last year, people were saying "oh great we could be 9-7 if we win", who gives a s***, 8-8 got us the #13 pick as opposed to #16 or 17 and we land Orakpo when if we won we would have never had a shot at.

Okung is a leader and is a legitimate day 1 starter at LT. The chiefs were clearly going to take him to protect Cassel..we lucked out big time.
1.) Rams- Clausen
2.) Lions- Suh
3.) Bucs- Gerald McCoy
4.) Skins- OKUNG baby.. boom

Posted by: jeffco01 | January 3, 2010 7:42 PM

They say ranking based on SOS, not head to head, so that makes KC #4 and Skins #5.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 3, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Glad that's over. wait till next year...again

Posted by: last1 | January 3, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

There playing taps in the background of Zorn Presser LOL

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | January 3, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | January 3, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray MIGHT be the next coach of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 3, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth tops Redskins' inactives..."

So he wants Blache to use him in a way that maximizes his skills?

Maybe, then, Blache should get him a job in a bank.

'Cuz all I've seen this dude Haynesworth do is count money....

...and then take a breather.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

The kid runs a sub 5 40....is 6'4'' and has an incredibly accurate arm with zip. He is very athletic and let's just say his wonderlic score will be about twice that of JC.....so reading defenses may not be quite the challenge it has been the past few years for our QB.

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | January 3, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse


Campbell scored a zero on the Wunderlich, so twice as good isn't really that good.


Sorry Chuckles:
He got a 23....about average for a QB, which is what we have; an about average QB

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | January 3, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Sonny Jurgensen said the Redskins will not draft a QB in the first round and will re-sign Jason Campbell. They will go O-Line with the first pick.

Sonny also said that Vinny will not be back and changes will be made about a month before Vinny resigned.

Sonny knows what he's talking about.
Posted by: Skins1 | January 3, 2010 8:10 PM

That would be a very responsible way to approach the team's issues. Also, why is B-Mitch implying there is a surprise candidate for the HC position.

Posted by: TWISI | January 3, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray will be the next coach of the Redskins.

I don't want Shanahan but I'm not sure I want Gray either but Gray did say that there would need to be a lot of changes before he would take this job.

Posted by: Skins1 | January 3, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Dock and Tryon get Redskins Draft position MVP awards.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 3, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth tops Redskins' inactives..."

So he wants Blache to use him in a way that maximizes his skills?

Maybe, then, Blache should get him a job in a bank.

'Cuz all I've seen this dude Haynesworth do is count money....

...and then take a breather.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2010 8:16 PM |

Why play him and improve chances of winning and drop from #5 to #8? Makes no sense.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 3, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

this season is already in the history books. There won't be much carry over into 2010 since it'll be all new GM, HC, OC, DC and a greater than normal turnover in players.

But yeah, it did suck one more time to watch the Skins mess up a game clinching drive, settle for a FG, lose the lead near the end of regulation and have the offense do nothing with their last chance.

Of course, we'd all seen the movie before and knew how it would end.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray is NOT going to be the HC of the Redskins. That interview with Kelli Johnson was a complete joke Not sure what those CSN guys are smoking about him taking about "leadership". What kind of leadership goes behind the leader's back to "interview" for his job and then denies it?

And then he talked about players not playing. That's some leadership.

I'm not a Shanahan fan either. Id take Gruden before him. But Gray is NOT going to be the HC.

More likely, he sees an opportunity to interview in public for expected NFL openings...

Posted by: dsda3731 | January 3, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Play Taps for Jim Zorn and this nightmare of a season. The fact we lost today is not surprising. This team is just awful all across the board, there are a few nuggets here and there, but most of this roster would just be "depth" on most other teams especially the elite ones.

Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder really did a number on this franchise, ran it right into the ground. Hopefully little Danny will step back and stay out of personnel decisions. What happens now? Only time will tell, one thing is for sure there is only one way to go and that is up. Hopefully oneday soon it will be fun to be a Redskins fan again.

Posted by: 72Redskins | January 3, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

If he's related to Drew Brees, Skins should take him.

Sorry, I went there.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 3, 2010 7:56 PM

Even better....

he's Native American!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 3, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

It's the OL stupid! It's not the coaching staff.

Give Zorn an OL and see what happens - the offense will score lots of points - the defense won't tire out in the second half, and the Redskins will be super bowl contenders.

Go Skins!

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 3, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

There will be a coin flip to determine 4th and 5th team picking since they ended tied according to ESPN's Adam Shafter.

Posted by: BarackObama | January 3, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

but think about this: maybe the minority owners finally told Dan-O to man up and get a real GM and let the GM do the GM thing. If thyat's so, would Allen want a HC to overshadow him?

If that is the case,I can easily see a situation where, say, Russ Grimm is hired, or maybe even Bugel - and then re do the coaching staff.

Posted by: dsda3731 | January 3, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Prediction:

Head Coach: Jerry Gray
Def. Coor: Steven Jackson
Off. Coor: Bingo Guy (forgot his name)
Special Teams: Danny Smith

God, I hope I'm wrong.

My choice: Russ Grimm

Posted by: Skins1 | January 3, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

this writer doesnt mention the overthrows and underthrows by JC in the last minute.
Amazing. The writer (Paul Tenorio) totally ignored a clear ironic juxtaposition of a low round back up QB that rallies his team from behind playing with other Chargers second stringers..
And yet the Skins starting first round pick multimillion dollar QB chokes in trying to at least get to FG position to tie it.

In fact, JC has never rallied the Skins from behind in the late 4th quarter.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 3, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

another thought: the Ravens hired the right guy.

Posted by: dsda3731 | January 3, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Of course Jerry Gray SHOULD be the next head coach - WHY NOT?

Clearly his unit out performed all the other units in individual skill demonstration in areas such as catching interceptions, perfect tackling technique, proper pursuit angles, coverage skills, defeating double-moves, etc.

They have also demonstrated excellence as a unit, virtually eliminating blown coverage assignments and safety help mishaps.

To me, though, it is the LEADERSHIP he and his players have shown during their numerous encounters with the press - like accepting responsibility for their numerous short comings, vowing to return to excellence, and apologizing to the fans for the maddening repetition of errors, AND the way Gray has stood defiantly by Zorn's side when others have taken the opportunity to plunge knives into his back that have impressed me the most.

Jerry Gray is ABSOLUTELY the man for the job.

Posted by: edvar | January 3, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Redskins have traded their coin toss for the 4th/5th picks.

Details to follow.

At this point anything is possible.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 3, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

lol - backdrop to jason campbell post game interview: "responsibility is a team sport"

Posted by: dsda3731 | January 3, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

this season is already in the history books. There won't be much carry over into 2010 since it'll be all new GM, HC, OC, DC and a greater than normal turnover in players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse
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Which is what SHOULD have happened when Zorn was hired. The team should have been blown up then. Instead, Vinny insists we are a Jason Taylor and a couple of WRs away from a playoff run.

If things had gone a bit differently, we could have landed Sam Baker, who is currently playing (hello) LT for the Falcons (and yes I know he was hurt last year). We could be looking at Sam Baker and Levi Jones at the Tackle positions.

Further, we had a shot at Oher, and we could be looking at Oher and Baker at the Tackles and be set for a decade. Sure, Orakpo had a season that makes me not complain too much, but a decent running game has a way of masking other roster deficiencies.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Dan Snyder, for a great season

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 3, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth tops Redskins' inactives..."

So he wants Blache to use him in a way that maximizes his skills?

Maybe, then, Blache should get him a job in a bank.

'Cuz all I've seen this dude Haynesworth do is count money....

...and then take a breather.

Posted by: MistaMoe |

Hey, if I had that much money, I'd be pretty worn down from trying to count it all

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Are they following the Zorn firing on NORAD, like they do with Santa Claus?

The Zorn firing was just spotted over Reykjavik...

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 3, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Are they following the Zorn firing on NORAD, like they do with Santa Claus?

The Zorn firing was just spotted over Reykjavik...

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 3, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse
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Danny sent his private jet to pick up Zorn from the game right after having its call sign changed to "Ahmadinejad One"

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

does anyone know when the coin will get flipped? Think there is a good difference between #4 and #5, especially if a team is in the market for a LT. . .

glad to see a merciful end to a lost decade. . .would have been worse if we won. . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | January 3, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Why can LaCanfora give us who Shannahan assistant coaches are going to be but not RI????? Come on guys!!!!! Time to build some new relationships with Bruce Allen and his new team...

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 3, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I Gotta say this, Zorn may not have a great record, but the guy is one classy dude. I find myself feeling pretty bad for him. He is a 1st class man.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 3, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Dang, didn't see the beep beep

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 3, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't like Shanahan. Even with a HOF QB in J.Elway he couldn't win the big one until the arrival of an elite back, Terrell Davis which took a lot of pressure off Elway. Since those 2 Super Bowl wins, Shanahan hasn't done sh*t. He is not a young man and appeared burnt out and as if the game had passed him by.

Just what will we be getting here?
Just because of his age, I would prefer someone like Gruden. At the least I guess Shanahan will bring much needed discipline, structure, and better game management and play calling, and better usage of personnell to match their talent.

That's at least a step in the right direction.

Posted by: 72Redskins | January 3, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Draft order tiebreaker is strength of schedule --> Divisional record --> conference record --> coin flip

Posted by: RicketyCricket | January 3, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

only silver lining is that the pokes never won even 1 playoff game - 0 for the 0's. . .they will never live that down. . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | January 3, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

NO to Gray. We aren't going to elevate another position coach again are we? And our secondary was not something to celebrate.

One thing I hope we're not in for is another three ring circus which I worry may happen if Shanahan says no. Presumably if he says no your plan B has to include considering guys who are coordinators who are headed to playoffs so we're on hold....ugh

Posted by: sfskin | January 3, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

They say ranking based on SOS, not head to head, so that makes KC #4 and Skins #5.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 3, 2010 8:11 PM |

My bad. It should be Skins #4, KC #5. This from Wiki about draft order:

"Teams that did not make the playoffs are ordered by their regular-season record.
Remaining ties are broken by strength of schedule. For draft order, a lower strength of schedule results in an earlier pick."

Skins opps had 96-112 rec, KC 106-101, with Cincy's last game not included so I guess that means Skins have the #4.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 3, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

does anyone know when the coin will get flipped? Think there is a good difference between #4 and #5, especially if a team is in the market for a LT. . .

glad to see a merciful end to a lost decade. . .would have been worse if we won. . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | January 3, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse
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Where's this coin flip stuff coming from?

Strength of schedule determines tie's and the Chefs are 17. Skins are 16. That close.

We are #5. Kiss Okung goodbye.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

They say ranking based on SOS, not head to head, so that makes KC #4 and Skins #5.

Posted by: TubularBells

Wrong. We pick 4th. We had an easier SOS than KC. Easier SOS picks first.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 3, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Wrong. We pick 4th. We had an easier SOS than KC. Easier SOS picks first.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 3, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse
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Espn says Skins #16, Chefs #17. They also list the Chefs #4 in their league standings. It's #5, so lets stop arguing about it and embrace it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Where's this coin flip stuff coming from?

Strength of schedule determines tie's and the Chefs are 17. Skins are 16. That close.

We are #5. Kiss Okung goodbye.

Posted by: mattsoundworld

Coin flip was something that Schefter said incorrectly. We are picking 4th.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 3, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

russ grimm yes!

another thought: maybe the minority owners have told Snyder not to spend so much on the next HC. If so, no Shanahan.

I'm still not convinced Shanahan doesn't wind up at U/Fla anyhow after the urban meyer fiasco

wait a minute! does mike leach need a job? there's a few ppl who could be locked in a dark closet here...

Posted by: dsda3731 | January 3, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 3, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Strength of schedule is computed from the previous year, guys.

Linky

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but the guy has 80 yards to go in 30 seconds. Everyone is sitting back there waiting. Not a fair criticism.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | January 3, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

They needed a FG not a TD JC lover..

I've never been so relieved to see an NFL season come to a close. With the 4th pick, I'm excited to see what a real GM can accomplish. Here's to giving Zorn the boot and getting someone in here who knows what the hell they're doing.
BTW, doesn't the tie breaker for draft picks first belong to head to head matchup? Skins lost to KC so they get to pick ahead of KC unless I'm mistaken.
And how can anyone think Bradford, with 2 injuries to his throwing shoulder, will still be considered a top 5 pick?

Posted by: ga8085 | January 3, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

What is the difference in taking a quarterback coach from Seattle with no co-ordinator or head coaching experience (ZORN) and a secondary coach with no co-ordinator or head coaching experience (GRAY). The first was a mistake and the second would be a mistake. I LOL everytime I hear Gray's name mentioned as a candidate on Comcast's post game show. Of course with Snyder's track record, anything is possible.

Posted by: golfwise | January 3, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

What is the difference in taking a quarterback coach from Seattle with no co-ordinator or head coaching experience (ZORN) and a secondary coach with no co-ordinator or head coaching experience (GRAY). The first was a mistake and the second would be a mistake. I LOL everytime I hear Gray's name mentioned as a candidate on Comcast's post game show. Of course with Snyder's track record, anything is possible.

Posted by: golfwise | January 3, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Espn says Skins #16, Chefs #17. They also list the Chefs #4 in their league standings. It's #5, so lets stop arguing about it and embrace it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld

Ok, well you can admit you are wrong now, or you can wait until it becomes official.

If you don't believe me, go ahead and count how many victories our opponents have vs. how many KC's opponents have.

Our opponents have far fewer.

That means we have an easier SOS.

Meaning we pick first.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 3, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I take that back. That's foor 2009 draft. Rypien's Right. Say that 10 times fast.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I will say, however, that ESPN still has us listed as #5, though, so... I guess we will have to see.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld - look at that link again - June 2009. Do you really think the 2010 draft would be determined by the 2008 strength of schedule?

Its based on this years games.

To which ours is far easier than KC.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 3, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Gray has been a DC, FYI

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 3, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

WTF, is everyone just calling Zorn and asking where the Skins pick? Isn't this sjkt supposed to be scientific?

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 3, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

As it stands the 2009 SOS is:

KC 132 - 123
WAS 126 - 130

Even with the NYJ/CIN game still impacting KC we have a weaker SOS based on 2009 WL records. We should get the 4th pick.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | January 3, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld - look at that link again - June 2009. Do you really think the 2010 draft would be determined by the 2008 strength of schedule?

Its based on this years games.

To which ours is far easier than KC.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 3, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse
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I beat you to the retraction in post @ 8:48

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 3, 2010 8:51 PM |

You need to read other's posts before posting your "corrections".

Posted by: TubularBells | January 3, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

going in today our SOS was 44% and KC was 51%

so we should be #4 and they would be #5

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 3, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

matt,
You posted a link showing the 2009 SOS for the 2009 draft... it reflects play from 2008. Its not relevant or germane to the discussion. Schefter has his head up his azz, too. A coin flip will result only if KC and Redskins end up with exact same SOS. Possible, but doubtful.

The 2010 Draft in April will use 2009 games to determine draft order. Redskins currently hold the 4th pick. KC has the 5th pick.

Cincy and the Jets are playing tonight which will determine KC's final SOS as KC played Cincy this year just last week. I suppose we want Cincy to win as that would make KC have an even stronger SOS.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 3, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Skins are picking 4th. The skins are 16th which means they had the easier schedule. Which also means the Skins have the 4th pick.

Posted by: Mike4169 | January 3, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I think Bradford will need surgery to tighten the ligaments in his throwing shoulder... Until then it will always be injury prone. Usually two separations are enough to warrant that.. Probably this was recommended but it would of killed his chances in the Draft.
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Yeah, but the guy has 80 yards to go in 30 seconds. Everyone is sitting back there waiting. Not a fair criticism.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | January 3, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

They needed a FG not a TD JC lover..

I've never been so relieved to see an NFL season come to a close. With the 4th pick, I'm excited to see what a real GM can accomplish. Here's to giving Zorn the boot and getting someone in here who knows what the hell they're doing.
BTW, doesn't the tie breaker for draft picks first belong to head to head matchup? Skins lost to KC so they get to pick ahead of KC unless I'm mistaken.
And how can anyone think Bradford, with 2 injuries to his throwing shoulder, will still be considered a top 5 pick?

Posted by: ga8085 | January 3, 2010 8:47 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 3, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

If Gray becomes HC who the heeelll will be OC? Does Allen make those choices? Does Gray? Are we going to hire coaching staff by committee again?

Posted by: sfskin | January 3, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

@SkinsfaninKaneohe - Based on what i've read and what i posted above i believe you are correct that Skins pick 4 based on 2009 SOS. However, tonight's game even though it impacts KCs final SOS has no bearing on the tiebreaker. They can't make up the difference with a loss by CIN.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | January 3, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Gray will not be the coach. Do not listen to CSN because they are claiming the Skins pick is a coin toss as well. They do not know what they are talking about tonight. Shanahan is the next coach, he will pick the rest of the coaching staff, and the Skins pick 4th overall in the draft. I sure hope Jarmon is worth the 4th over all pick in the 3rd round....

Posted by: Mike4169 | January 3, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Anybody out there know when we're picking?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks rickety, i was looking around for the compiled records, but could not find it. I see you posted it above.

Bottom line we have the 4th pick. Yay.

Here's hoping we are not relegated to cheering for a last week loss or anally tracking SOS next year at this time.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 3, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Paul Tenorio: I noticed you slipped in that last link about the Rooney Rule and everybody was talkin bout it on an earlier thread. So . . .


I'm glad no one touched this one and I kinda expected "TheCork" to say something, but lately he's been posting during his nightly/early morning bathroom break. Damn prostate!

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"These days it seems like the "in-thing" when a black person speaks out against inequality or discrimination or when policy is implemented to discouraged the aforementioned, that person or policy is widely viewed by "white" people as racist or unfair...." -RedDMV

^^^ya see Red, times have changed b/c b4, the "in-thing" was to play the race card on every avenue! For sum reason*wink* I don't ever hear Asians or Hispanics complaining about their lack of head coaches etc. Why is that? African Americans aren't the only minorities, Ya know.

Quite simply if playing the race card is unwarranted, then those being accused of racism will play the reverse race card unwarranted. Ya see?

No1 here is saying the Rooney Rule is unfair/racist b/c they don't want to see a minority coach.

If I have to explain to you how anyone getting an interview b/c of his/her race is unfair, then TheCork is right and you ain't too bright.

Posted by: Vicc | January 3, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

JC had to go 45 yards to get the FG chance..
He chokes whenever the game is on the line in the last minutes...
Too bad. If he had pulled it off, today, it might of assisted in garnering a better RFA Offer, for him, and thus a better Draft pick compensation to the Skins.. As it is, Skins would be lucky to get a 3rd round pick.
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Yeah, but the guy has 80 yards to go in 30 seconds. Everyone is sitting back there waiting. Not a fair criticism.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | January 3, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

They needed a FG not a TD JC lover..

Posted by: ga8085 | January 3, 2010 8:47 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 3, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping we are not relegated to cheering for a last week loss or anally tracking SOS next year at this time.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

Well said!

Posted by: Mike4169 | January 3, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Anybody out there know when we're picking?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

April. 2010.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 3, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

JLa is already reporting that Shannahan is bringing in his son as O-Coordinator and Mike ZImmer as D-Coordinator... Jerry Gray is NOT our Coach.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 3, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Ricky, he would be a good pick but if Suh is there at #4 you also HAVE to let a team give you their 1,2 and 4 for the pick. Suh at 4 would have more teams willing to come up than Clausen/Bradford. Depending on the team, Bradford may even fall to you at the new number 1(shudder and perish the thought though!).

Take the move back, get one of the OTs with the new 1, and then start filling in at G, OT, FS, RB, LB with your 2,2 4,4 5,7.

Tender JC and CR, that may change the dynamic as well.


Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

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I gotta agree with this one. Ideally I'd like to trade down. Good Players can be had at any pick in the draft!

Posted by: Vicc | January 3, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

going in today our SOS was 44% and KC was 51%

so we should be #4 and they would be #5

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 3, 2010 8:54 PM |

But you have to factor in that Goodell had put the Skins on double secret probation after they brought in a bingo caller to call their plays. That automatically deducts 10% from your SOS calc. Hence it now becomes 54% vs 51% and the Skins may be in jeopardy of losing their #4.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 3, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The off season has begun and the Danny rules again.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | January 3, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Reports are Mike Shanahan with son Kyle as OC and Mike Zimmer as DC. Kyle has Texas connections; wonder if Colt McCoy is on their radar?

Posted by: minorthread | January 3, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse


Amazing. The writer (Paul Tenorio) totally ignored a clear ironic juxtaposition of a low round back up QB that rallies his team from behind playing with other Chargers second stringers..
And yet the Skins starting first round pick multimillion dollar QB chokes in trying to at least get to FG position to tie it.

by: SkinsneedaGM


effing brilliant post!

never thought of it that way. I wish i could think outside the boxx.

Posted by: Vicc | January 3, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Gray is an idiot. Did anyone listen to his post-game interview? He was clearly asked if he would move the training camp to a site away from Redskins park and he started talking about scrimmages and exhibition games. He obviously did not know that at one time, pre-Snyder, that the Redskins held their training camp at Carlisle.

Posted by: MKadyman | January 3, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

"Jerry Gray MIGHT be the next coach of the Washington Redskins."

Posted by: rickyroge

well....he's demonstrated just as much integrity as the Danny and true to form he's no coordinator, so he's probably cheap, leaving more to throw at the NEXT free agent flop

Posted by: mdrockjock | January 3, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

If the Rams don't take Clausen, then there's a good chance we won't get Okung, Suh, OR Berry. Let's pray the Rams take Clausen...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey RI,

Paul Tenorio is running the blog 2nite. He's not lazy and we'll probably see 3 more new threads b4 the end of the Sunday nite game.

Lotsa reposting to do.

beep

Posted by: Vicc | January 3, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse


Anybody out there know when we're picking?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

April. 2010.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 3, 2010 9:02 PM

Nice answer...I had all the scenarios laid out mid week. I was just being a sarcastic prick.

WE HAVE THE 4TH PICK IN APRIL
Thurs, April 22, 7:30 p.m START TIME.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

What is the difference in taking a quarterback coach from Seattle with no co-ordinator or head coaching experience (ZORN) and a secondary coach with no co-ordinator or head coaching experience (GRAY). The first was a mistake and the second would be a mistake. I LOL everytime I hear Gray's name mentioned as a candidate on Comcast's post game show. Of course with Snyder's track record, anything is possible.

Posted by: golfwise
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gray was the defensive coordinator a/ the bills before coming to the skins... and the bills unit was very very good... twice finishing in the top 10...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 3, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

You guys are forgetting one thing...

JLaC was WRONG on the last coaches search....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 3, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I find the calling for Russ Grimm to be head coach hilarious...

Nothing more than some old head Redskin fans wanting to bring some of that "old magic" back.

Grimm has been on multiple interviews, only for the job the he interviewed for to be given to someone else. Why do you all think this is?

True he may not interview well, but I mean honestly, other than how his history with the Redskins, what so damn intriguing about this dude? I really don't understand the fascination for him from some of you.

What makes him so more qualified than Jerry Gray, and before you all pick which tree and tighten the noose for Jerry Gray's hanging (irony, sarcasm, figure of speech), how about you stop and ask yourselves: Is the deficiencies of the secondary due to the scheme/playcalling on defense (Blache)? Because while both were here during Gregg Williams stay here, only one of them is now calling the plays on defense.

Think about it.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 3, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

That is my fear matt, those three come off 1-3. In that case, i would hope to entice a team to jump up to get Clausen and or Bradford, but with both available, that would rally weaken our bargaining position.

That is assuming that the new brain trust would even want to not pick Clausen or God forbid, Bradford. Niners also need a CB and may want to jump some folks if they are worried Haden may not fall to them.

If we can't trade back, I'd prefer we go ahead and just bite the bullet and grab Campbell. Bradford is insanity.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 3, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Whomever the new coach is going to be, I hope that all he does is somehow usher in some new defensive backs that actually can catch the ball. I thought that all of the interception dropps in past years was bad but this year takes the cake. Every close game somehow came down to one of our guys dropping a gift wrapped interception. Look at the playoff teams and one thing you will notice is when it comes down to it, their DBs make plays and pick off passes that are thrown right into their breadbasket. We have only one guy in our defensive backfield that can catch and that's Hall. Tackling is another story for him but the rest play the game like they have boxing gloves on. Please, whoever coaches this team next year, please somehow get these players to catch the ball.

Posted by: JWPinCHI | January 3, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

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