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Redskins-Cards: Hot Chat and Cool Forecast

There are a couple of items we should get out of the way before the chasing o' the news begins afresh. Jason "Jasno" La Canfora will be chatting at 1 p.m. today. And, if you're going to the game Sunday, you're in luck. The Capital Weather Gang says it's gonna be a gorgeous day for fubball.

By Cindy Boren  |  September 18, 2008; 8:59 AM ET
 
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Comments

From the last post:

Vinny does have a face for radio

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 18, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

And why is there no middle ground in the question above.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 18, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

That poll is pretty biased. 2 negative options vs 1 positive.

Posted by: pbelly | September 18, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

How about "he will show progress in learning the new offense" as an option

Posted by: Tappahannock | September 18, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Which part of the preseason?! lol.

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

James Trash scares no one on defense.

Posted by: Frogger | September 18, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I HATE BIASED POLLS! ....wait....

Posted by: POOP | September 18, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Morning Hamsters. That thing about the radio is a joke right? You can't tell me that the EVP of a franchise that hasn't won a superbowl in 17 years has time to play Johnny Fever for 20 some hours a week....

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Even 4 hours a week on the radio takes a lot of prep time before and after every show. Maybe if Vinny watched more game film, he would have known Brandon LLoyd gave %10 effort.

Posted by: Geico Cave Man | September 18, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I hope Da Vin has guest spots, funny sound machines and cool voices to go along w/his circus sideshow act.

I would like to call Da Vin on the phone and pretend to be Da Dan, ask him to meet me in the middle of a desolate field for a private meeting....then not show up.

Posted by: POOP | September 18, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

That's hilarious, POOP. Or....not so much.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The argument breaks down into 2 categories as always. Those who treat the blog as part of JLC's beat job vs those who treat it as JLC's editorial page, he does not have a column in the paper so he gets this.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 18, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

This poll is ridiculous and the Post wonders why the Redskins can't stand them.

Posted by: CVille | September 18, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Can we talk perspective here? While we would love a trip to the stuporbowl, we have:

- won more playoff games than Dallas since '96
- been to the playoffs 2 of the last three seasons
- been among the most profitable, highest profile, franchises in the league for a while
- played in arguably the strongest division in the league.

While the Superbowl is the goal, to characterise this team as either a disappointment or somehow a failure is inaccurate.

Yes there are problems. Yes we'd LOVE to be more successful and go further towards the ultimate goal... But this ChickenSJK Chicken Little act is tiresome.

Anything above .500 is a winning season and, this year, a welcome surprise in my eyes.

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Is this what they call "push" polling?

Posted by: RMilot | September 18, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

What can anyone possibly learn from this poll? Man, the polls are as lame as the videos, but I guess they both help the Post to generate click sales. At least they're an improvement on Jasno's exercising his Vinnie grudge.

How about this poll next time:

I think that Vinnie Cerrato is:

1. The devil incarnate
2. A mad, drooling fool
3. The fount of all failure
4. All the above

Now that's a poll that will gather useful information.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 18, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

This poll is ridiculous and the Post wonders why the Redskins can't stand them.

Posted by: CVille | September 18, 2008 9:41 AM

Really what gives you that impression? Seems to me that they are pretty indifferent to the whole thing. You can't just make stuff up.

Posted by: Just sayzin is all... | September 18, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

" - won more playoff games than Dallas since '96"

I hate this arguement. Yes I love the fact that the Skins have a better record then Dallas but can we please have a higher standard. Just because the Skins are not last doesn't mean we should be pleased with this.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 18, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I meant to say what Dik just said.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 18, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

it's called a rivalry, NFeKPo

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Lets just say this.... there are media forums that think the FO is doing great and will never question, and then there is the post or more specifically Jla who thinks they are running it wrong.

Whatever your opinion, it is always a good thing to have two sides to the story, even if both are biased.

Just like in politics, it could be like Russia where the ruling party never does wrong and anyone who comes out against the establishment is poisoned.

So, instead of griping, just know this is where the FO gets ripped and Larry Michael is where the FO does no wrong. 980 is kinda in the middle.

I listen/watch all three. they all give me perspective.

Posted by: Zebra | September 18, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

So, instead of griping, just know this is where the FO gets ripped and Larry Michael is where the FO does no wrong. 980 is kinda in the middle.

I listen/watch all three. they all give me perspective.

Posted by: Zebra | September 18, 2008 9:50 AM

I'm cool with that. At least that way we don't try to pretend that this blog is nothing more than an Anti-Redskin poison pit. We know what to expect when we come here with no false pretenses.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Just finished reading the last post. Wow, just wow. Come on Vinny....seriously??

And I loved reading the comments of people agreeing with JLC, then in the next paragraph try to bash him for being a "hater" by voicing the agreed upon opinion. Priceless.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

- won more playoff games than Dallas since '96

Not exactly something to write home about.

- been to the playoffs 2 of the last three seasons

Good thing
- been among the most profitable, highest profile, franchises in the league for a while

About this I could not care less.

- played in arguably the strongest division in the league.

For the last what 3 years? This wasn't the case for many years.

While the Superbowl is the goal, to characterise this team as either a disappointment or somehow a failure is inaccurate.

Other than the last 3 years I disagree. This team has been an abject failure for most of the past 17 years. It's been a failure that brought on by mismanagement of players, the cap and a disregard for the well established blueprint on how to build a winning franchise.

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 9:43 AM

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Who is this "Capital Weather Gang" and do we need to get our dance music out for a rumble?

Posted by: The Sharks | September 18, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

- been among the most profitable, highest profile, franchises in the league for a while

About this I could not care less.

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 9:43 AM

Perhaps you should care about this. Being profitable and high profile allows a team to be able to be active in the free agent market, retain its players, and reward draft picks as their performance warrants.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

What is "presason"?

Posted by: Mike H. | September 18, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I guess people never heard of punch-line polls.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 18, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Skinz;

At what point do we throw away those 17 years and start focusing on say the last 3 or more of the coming years? I mean we could go back to the 60's and gripe about how this franchise only played in SB's 3 of 6/7 decades...

Posted by: Zebra | September 18, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

- been among the most profitable, highest profile, franchises in the league for a while

About this I could not care less.

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 9:43 AM

Perhaps you should care about this. Being profitable and high profile allows a team to be able to be active in the free agent market, retain its players, and reward draft picks as their performance warrants.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 9:59 AM

Buy free agents who don't contribute enough to win, resign players with outrageous guaranteed money to further push back the ballooning dead money and what draft picks we trade them all...

Enjoy your $20 parking,$8 beers, $5 waters and $7 hot dogs.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Skinz & others,

Aspirations are great, but if all you can accept as success is the top rung of the latter - your expectations are just off.

Not everyone's kid is gonna be magna cum laude (sp??) at Harvard. Not everyone is going to live on Star Island in the Mansion. It sucks that is seems to be in the same family every year, to extend the metaphor. But living in a large 4 bedroom in Potomac ain't too bad, is it?

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

That anon post was mine. I agree Zebra, I was just responding to Dik's post. I never get invited to the Dik Shuttle Lounge so I'm cranky this mo'nin.

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

That poll is aweful!

My scenario (which was not included):

Not as good as the Saints, but good enough for the win

Posted by: Paul S. | September 18, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse


- been among the most profitable, highest profile, franchises in the league for a while

About this I could not care less.

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 9:43 AM

Perhaps you should care about this. Being profitable and high profile allows a team to be able to be active in the free agent market, retain its players, and reward draft picks as their performance warrants.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 9:59 AM

Buy free agents who don't contribute enough to win, resign players with outrageous guaranteed money to further push back the ballooning dead money and what draft picks we trade them all...

Enjoy your $20 parking,$8 beers, $5 waters and $7 hot dogs.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 10:04 AM

Yeah you're right. We'd be much better off if we depended on the rest of the league to maintain or existence, paid $18 dollar parking, $7 dollar beers, $4 dollar waters, and $6 dollar hotdogs, while our owner is forced to consider moving to a better market or playing a significant portion of our home schedule in another country.

Moron.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I dunno Dik, I don't need it every year but to walk into the stadium like a Colts or Pats fan does, like we did in '91 would be nice sometimes. A little swagger back is that so wrong...

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Shouldn't the poll just have 2 options? It seems to me that "first half of the Giants game" and "preseason" had the same look.

NEW POLL:

DO YOU THINK THE SKINS WILL:

1) win
2) lose
3) not win

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Here is what I would call a punch-line poll:
If you could replace Larry Michaels in all his roles for the redskins media with any radio/TV personality would you pick.

A. Frank Herzog
B. LaVar Arrington
C. Linsay Zarniac
D. Joe Thiesman
E. Chick Hernanez
F. The carcass of the turducken madden eats on thanksgiving

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 18, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

durrr... "LADDER".....yukyuk

Posted by: dik | September 18, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

CVille... are you Danny or Vinny? Why are you ripping a guy who has a blog? You're here reading it, no? If you don't like it, leave.

I love the fact the guy gives both the info and his opinions. That's what blogs are about. If you don't want opinion, buy your paper in the morning and read the news...

Posted by: kl5 | September 18, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

In all seriousness; I expect Jason Campbell to play better than he did at the end of preseason and the Giants game, but I don't expect the kind of 300 yard outburst he had against NO.

NO's defense was seriously depleted in the secondary and he capitalized on that. We probably aren't going to face a defense in worse shape all year (missing 3 startes and a couple more that get injured during the game).

Also, I think that things will depend on how the defense holds up against AZ. If it turns into a shootout, then maybe JC cracks 300 yards. But we should be looking to run the ball alot and keep AZ's offense off the field so that Warner and Co., can't get into a passing game rhythm.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

You are right I'm a moron because I don't care if he generates tons of revenue to sign players that don't get it done.

If I can steal from Herm Edwards: You PAY to win the game, you don't just PAY to PAY!!

You can pay all the players you want Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier, Brandon Lloyd so what? Meanwhile all those draft picks that you claim get "rewarded" for performance like Dockery, Pierce etc. walk out the door. Know what you are talking about before you come at me Moron. Good day to you.

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm from the "U" and I'm a DC native 'Skins fan born & bred.

No one appreciates a championship more than "Mr. two thumbs" this guy.

And I appreciate the criticisms. But I'm cuttin' the team some slack this year. These guys are workin' hard and deserve our support.

Anon, you can keep whinin' if you want, obviously. lol.


HAIL!

..need me some cL up in heah!

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Getting chippy up here. I agree with what some people said, I don't need 321 I'll take 280 yards and 2 TD's.

Portis will have a big game.

Posted by: Da Truef | September 18, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

win!

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 18, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

VC: Helloooo, Washington! VC the Flea here with you this morning, comin’ at you from the paneled interior of the region’s best studio facility – built here at The Park by your and my favorite owner, Dan, the Snydes, Snyder!

DS: Yeeahh, Booyee, that’s what I’m talkin’ bout VC the Flea. This is Snydes holla’in’ at all you season ticket holders and Six Flag patrons. Yo, it smells like Skins up in this mug, know what I’m sayin’. What, what?

VC: You’re right, sir, or maybe that’s because you just removed your shoes and ordered me to do the same…

DS: (Uncontrollable, high pitched laughter) Yeah, VC, you might be right. But if you ever joke at my expense again, I’m goin’ to F you like that gullible b**ch Fassel… (more uncontrollable laughter) Yeah, you’ll be my coach, Fassel, yeah right, like in a million years… Apply again next time too, next time I’ll be serious and stuff (uncontrollable laughter)

VC: Ahem, yes, Snydes, you did indeed – how do the kids say – punk Jim Fassel very well… Now, ahem, the reason we’re comin’ at you, true Redskins fans, is to give you the straight scoop from inside the Park. No spin, no bias, no lies like the WaPo.

DC: Oh, VC, you said somethin’ there to get my mutherf’in blood boilin’. Those posers at WaPo been on me since I bought this joint. I got so sick of their untruths and fallacious libel, and stuff, that I cashed out some Six Flag stock and built me this here fine studio. Know why, season ticket holders and jersey purchasers and revenue producers? Cause me and VC the Flea deal in one thing and one thing only, the T to the R to the U to the T to the H to the H. That spells the Truthh, and that’s what we got! But before we get to that, VC… Play some jams!

VC: Aaaallright, comin’ at you straight from the Motor City to your ears, Bob Seager and his Silver Bullet Band, give me some old time rock-and-roll!

DS: Yeah, I love this song, VC!

VC (to himself): And, yep, there go his pants. God help me…

(Music begins)

Posted by: Transcript of VC & Snydes Morning Show | September 18, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

cHRIs LarrY with a two hour shower of power!

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 18, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

It's going to be a shoot out, Warner & Co are going to score, too. Cards win by 7, because Skins are still getting used to the WCO.

Posted by: Whambulance | September 18, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I voted better just because there was no option that said he would do the same or similar to last week.

Who made up the answers for this? First time creating a poll, no doubt.

Posted by: Jason | September 18, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL THE SUPPORTERS AND HATERS AND THOSE WHO HATE SUPPORTERS AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT HATERS:

Dear fellow blogizens,

Let us all understand one thing. It makes no difference to WaPo or JLa whether we come on the blog to spew vitriolic criticism or whether we come on the blog to sing JLa's praises. JLa exists in a "there's-no-such-thing-as-bad-publicity" universe. If he is targeted by the Skins FO as enemy #1 that only boosts his time in the spotlight. When the haters come on and douse JLa with Haterade (as I do from time to time) we should know that it is only feeding the beast. The only thing that JLa has to fear is obscurity and irrelevance...and no one coming on the blog.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I hate to pile on, but that was a lame poll.....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 18, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, man chill out...its sports your suppossed to have opinions, argue, grind axe, fight, disagree, blind passion, slap 5's..


Man oh man....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 18, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Mike Wise calls it "Miserable Suburban Guy Radio". This is the Web 2.0 counterpart.

Defense keeps the skins in [almost] every game; can the JC/Zorn connection tighten up the red zone attack and routinely score over 20 pts.?
When the schedule was announced, I said that 1-5 was a realistic possibility. We've got the 1, so anything beyond is gravy.

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 18, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, man chill out...its sports your suppossed to have opinions, argue, grind axe, fight, disagree, blind passion, slap 5's..


Man oh man....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 18, 2008 10:30 AM

Please don't take my open letter too seriously. I'm just trying to throw a new twist into the Martini.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Ummm isn't it possible that JLa really doesn't care at all? Can someone please explain to me the fascination with JLa? This blog isn't really about the posts anymore anyway, there is some good info but it's the jibba jabba for me anyway...

I don't get all the hate/love. JLa needs no defending nor should you waste your time whining about him cause I really don't think he ever reads the blog anyway.

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Defense keeps the skins in [almost] every game; can the JC/Zorn connection tighten up the red zone attack and routinely score over 20 pts.?

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 18, 2008 10:32 AM

cload,

Every economic forecaster knows that you either give a date or an event, but never a date and an event. So I say "Yes, they can. I don't know when."

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 18, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I am amused at the folks who get on here and argue with the Jasno haters. It's obvious that they are $nyder employees paid to come here and post negative comments. I say again, I don't watch, read, or post anything on the Fox News Channel, b/c I don't buy one bit of their "ubiased news."

So ask yourself, why would these people post here? $$$
Or maybe $nyder has hired some of those soccer ball kids from India.

On a serious note you should check out this week's Real Sports. That story about the children being forced to make soccer balls for five cents an hour or worse, as a slave should make each of appreciate that we were born in the good ole USA! Hopefully, this will bring some pressure to their plight and can help end it.

Back to the bashing/fighting.

Posted by: Not Anonymous | September 18, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I believe BMitch could make Portis cry like a girl.

Posted by: Believer | September 18, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

You are right I'm a moron because I don't care if he generates tons of revenue to sign players that don't get it done.

If I can steal from Herm Edwards: You PAY to win the game, you don't just PAY to PAY!!

You can pay all the players you want Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier, Brandon Lloyd so what? Meanwhile all those draft picks that you claim get "rewarded" for performance like Dockery, Pierce etc. walk out the door. Know what you are talking about before you come at me Moron. Good day to you.

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 10:13 AM

Nice job completely missing the point. About what I expect from you Redskin "insiders".

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Defense keeps the skins in [almost] every game; can the JC/Zorn connection tighten up the red zone attack and routinely score over 20 pts.?
When the schedule was announced, I said that 1-5 was a realistic possibility. We've got the 1, so anything beyond is gravy.

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 18, 2008 10:32 AM

I think we got this one. The Cards are 1 dimensional, so they've got to be easy to game plan for. The things that scare me are (1) Warner looks like he did with the Greatest Show on Turf so far and (2) Anquan Boldin is ticked off and out to prove to the world that he's the greatest thing in cleats. But we've got the bodies to stop these guys, get to the QB, and we've got the home-field. If we drop this one, I will be very very disappointed.

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I believe BMitch could make Portis cry like a girl.

Posted by: Believer | September 18, 2008 10:35 AM

BMitch did make Portis cry like a girl, and it was on air for everyone to hear!

Posted by: p1funk | September 18, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

mmmmmmmm...vitriolic criticism.......

Posted by: POOP | September 18, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I will never eat another Indian soccer ball again.

Posted by: dlhaze | September 18, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

So we should be happy with the fact that we aren't a small market, have a strong, loyal fan base and a large stadium none of which has anything what so ever to do with the current regime? Sorry I did miss your point...wait, I'm still missing it are you sure you had one?

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Or eat at a restaurant that serves them.

Posted by: dlhaze | September 18, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Can we talk perspective here?

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 9:43 AM

"Too much fkcuing perspective." ["You look at it and ask 'How much more black could it be?'" ... "None more black."]

So is everyone going to "agree to disagree" about Vinny/Silvio Cerrato/Berlusconi?

It happened to me AGAIN! I've been much too composed and confident in the Skins ... and it happened. ANOTHER pair of seat (section 214) dropped on my lap again. And its going to be AWESOME to finally get a demonstration of global COOLING this weekend. [Did I mention that last Sunday was so hot I saw two fire hydrants fighting over a dog?]

Also, I like the latest plan about how to figure out who -- btwn Santana and ARE -- goes back to return any particular punt ... whoever ran the least in the previous series.

Also, I think Marcus might be coming back this week ... which would be good (nothing against Blades, but more guys to rotate is better).

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

There goes my quickie-mart

Posted by: Apoo | September 18, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Cards are very one dimensional, we shouldnt have a problem containing edge al;though do not foret/underestimate him he has made many teams pay over the last couple years. The biggest problem are their two recievers. I think that attempting to eliminate Fitzgerald's impact is the greatest thing we can do. he is their biggest red zone and TD threat. Boldin is a beast but i think that we have the team tackling to keep him in check. Obviusly all this start with pressuring Warner first and foremost which we should be able to do. After that do a little landry spy on fitz, he is big but one blow from 30 will have him thinking twice about leaving the ground for those jump balls.

Posted by: Stu | September 18, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

How 'bout this pole? CLICK.

Posted by: C. Cooley | September 18, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Anon is way back in ITA mode. Nice job!

Oh & they played the CP vs. BM clip on the air down here in tha 305.

Granted there's a tie-in from tha 'U', but I guess it's a big deal now. I didn't realize CP was on the phone for that.

I picutred them in the studio w/ Thompson holding them back at arm's length. lmao!

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

So we should be happy with the fact that we aren't a small market, have a strong, loyal fan base and a large stadium none of which has anything what so ever to do with the current regime? Sorry I did miss your point...wait, I'm still missing it are you sure you had one?

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 10:44 AM

You need both, moron. Strong talent management and a profitable franchise. To say that you care less less if the franchise is profitable is just plain naive.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

wow...a positive post (dcsween) about our boys in burgundy n gold...shouldn't there be more of that since we can't control what our FO does...all we have the power to do is root for our team...players, coaches, etc. Just sayin's all....

Posted by: POOP | September 18, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

So we should be happy with the fact that we aren't a small market, have a strong, loyal fan base and a large stadium none of which has anything what so ever to do with the current regime? Sorry I did miss your point...wait, I'm still missing it are you sure you had one?

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 10:44 AM

I'd certainly rather have the above mentioned assests with an ineffective regime than an ineffective regime without the above mentioned assets.

I know this is rocket science, but think it through and you'll be ok.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

badumpbump! (delayed rimshot for dcsween)

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Now thats funny.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 18, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

B. Mitch : 1 Super Bowl
CP : 0

I Believe!

Posted by: Believer | September 18, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

- been among the most profitable, highest profile, franchises in the league for a while

About this I could not care less.

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 9:43 AM

This is my last post then it's ITA for you since you have no point. Learn to read buddy he said, the MOST profitable. To which I replied that I could not care less about being the most profitable. Every team is competitive even the small market ones like Green Bay.

Running the franchise properly > spending stupid money on FA's that go bust every time they show up. Just ask the Skins, Rays or Yankees sucka. You have no point it's time for you to move along to something you know more about whatever that may be.

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

POOP, thanks for getting my back. [AND NO THANKS FOR GETTING OUT OF MY BABY'S DIAPER AND UP HER BACK THIS MORNING AT 5 AM!]

dcsween's (single) key to the game is defensive line play. Carter/Taylor circle the wagon ... DTs collapsing it ... early in the first and third quarters.

Also, can someone explain the ups/downs of "deferring" when you win the coin toss (toin coss)? Why does the team that wins and defers always seem like they want to receive in the second half?

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I'd certainly rather have the above mentioned assests with an ineffective regime than an ineffective regime without the above mentioned assets.

I know this is rocket science, but think it through and you'll be ok.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 10:52 AM

You are an idiot. The end result is the same so why would you care whether or not an owner got rich while running your team into the ground. You can think about this but I doubt you'll be ok.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: JC biggest critic | September 18, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Sween,

Most teams like to put there D on the field first to "set the tone" and put less pressure on the O to move the ball and score immediately. Least that's my theory anyway.

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The Rock says "Portis should continue to carry the ball hard, and shut his mouth."

Posted by: The Rock | September 18, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I'd certainly rather have the above mentioned assests with an ineffective regime than an ineffective regime without the above mentioned assets.

I know this is rocket science, but think it through and you'll be ok.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 10:52 AM

You are an idiot. The end result is the same so why would you care whether or not an owner got rich while running your team into the ground. You can think about this but I doubt you'll be ok.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 10:57 AM

You are then, in effect, saying that the current regime has no chance at becoming more effective. Given that the current regime has no chance of going away, perhaps it would be best for everyone involved if you chose another team to follow. Why waste your time being a "fan" of a team that you hope loses its fanbase and market just to punish the owner that you have such disdain for, and one who is going nowhere for the foreseeable future?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Running the franchise properly > spending stupid money on FA's that go bust every time they show up. Just ask the Skins, Rays or Yankees sucka. You have no point it's time for you to move along to something you know more about whatever that may be.

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 10:55 AM

Running the franchise properly is not mutually exclusive with spending/making money. They are directly related and facilitators to each other.

If this franchise did NOT have money, you would not have a number of the following: Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, London Fletcher, Shawn Springs, Fred Smoot, Cornelius Griffin, Antwaan Randle El, Marcus Washington, Randy Thomas, Pete Kendall, Casey Rabach, Andre Carter, or Jason Taylor.

Instead, we would be forced to live off of the FO's draft picks until they reached the end of their rookie contracts. Considering our track record of draft picks, this is not something we'd want to have.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

dc, I'm with ya, I don't understand how that was a rules change. I always thought the team to win the coin toss decided whether they got the ball or not, and the other team chose the direction. And that's what they're saying is true now. I don't get it.

Posted by: Karen | September 18, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

PSP. I never said it was. I made a comment that winning the revenue game isn't something I care about. Teams in the lower tier of revenue do just fine, indeed many of the teams in this years playoffs will have millions in cap room.

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"Running the franchise properly is not mutually exclusive with spending/making money. They are directly related and facilitators to each other."

I agree with the first sentence of this statement, in fact, that was my very point. I totally disagree with the second sentence however and my evidence is.....Your Washington Redskins.


Anyway, we can agree to disagree. I'm way over this whole topic it was an off-the-cuff remark that has run it's course.

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

i think devin thomas is going to be a very good reciver. he is a rookie and he dont know the playbook but i think he is gonna get about 3 catches this week cause thrash cant play

Posted by: mex | September 18, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Here's what I think are keys to this week's game:

Can the defense put enough pressure on Warner, and keep him out of his comfort zone? I think so--I think our d-line is better than last year, and that Carter and Taylor (if he's healthy) can provide enough pressure.

Can the defensive backfield keep Fitzgerald and Boldin in check? I hope so. Some big hits on them early wouldn't hurt, and Rogers has to avoid the tendancy to get left at the line on a double move.

Will our running game be effective? Yes, as long as we don't fall behind by 14+ points early, and force Campbell to pass on every down.

Will Campbell continue to improve? I think so. He needs to continue to work on the mid-distance patterns that the WCO is famous for, and heave a couple of long ones when the defense starts cheating 8 in the box or overloading on the short routes.

Can the Redskins win this game? Definitely, but they have to get points up in their early drives, and avoid falling 14+ back. As long as they are allowed to work their offense at their own pace, they should be fine.

Posted by: Smurff | September 18, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Anyway, we can agree to disagree. I'm way over this whole topic it was an off-the-cuff remark that has run it's course.

Posted by: Skinz | September 18, 2008 11:13 AM

"Off the cuff" yet the prevailing tone of this "woe is me" defeatist Redskin Insider crowd.

I remain a fan because I have hope that this franchise will return to its once league respected state. Why do you?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Campbell had one decent game. I think they should put Collins back in. He's proven and almost led them to the Superbowl last year.
The Saints had 3 defensive starters out, it'll be interesting to see if Campbell can actually establish some consistency. Collins has been really consistent, I don't know why he's not starting.

Posted by: Skins Fan | September 18, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I'M SORRY FOR RUNNING OUT OF ANYONE'S SHORTS AT INOPPORTUNE MOMENTS...OR DIAPERS FOR THAT MATTER... please refrain from spicey mexican, indian food, various hot sauces and most importantly JEAGER!...for your butt to act accordingly.

Posted by: POOP | September 18, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

dc, I'm with ya, I don't understand how that was a rules change. I always thought the team to win the coin toss decided whether they got the ball or not, and the other team chose the direction. And that's what they're saying is true now. I don't get it.

Posted by: Karen | September 18, 2008 11:07 AM

It's a rule change because before you had to choose whether you want the ball or not in the first half, then in the second half the team who lost the coin toss got to choose whether they wanted the ball or not to start the 2nd half.

Now, if you win the toss, you can defer your choice until the 2nd half. In this case, you're forcing the loser of the coin toss to choose whether they want the ball in the 1st half, so that you get your choice in the 2nd.

A subtle yet significant change.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Campbell had one decent game. I think they should put Collins back in. He's proven and almost led them to the Superbowl last year.
The Saints had 3 defensive starters out, it'll be interesting to see if Campbell can actually establish some consistency. Collins has been really consistent, I don't know why he's not starting.

Posted by: Skins Fan | September 18, 2008 11:19 AM

Collins has only proven himself in that he played in 6 games (with one disaster in his one and only playoff appearance) during one season in a system that he had bench a bench warmer for his entire career. Unfortunately, that system is now gone, so Campbell's performance in the preseason and first two games of this regular season (even with the bad) have done far more to prove himself than Collins is in this system or any other outside of Al Saunder's system.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Collins is proven. This is why I constantly feel like choking the F**k out of some of you. where in your right mind do you get that Collins is proven a freakin 10 year BACKUP is not proven. These are the same people that think Colt should play cause he proved himself. JC is the quarterback of this team why cant you get that through your thick skulls, guy goes out puts up 300+ and your screamin for collins. F off Al saunders in in St Loius now go root for them.

Posted by: Stu | September 18, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Campbell had one decent game. I think they should put Collins back in. He's proven and almost led them to the Superbowl last year.

Posted by: Skins Fan | September 18, 2008 11:19 AM

If by "Super Bowl" you mean out of the 1st round of the playoffs, then I agree with you. If by "proven" you mean the opposite of proven, then I agree with you. If by "almost led" you mean threw 2 costly picks in the last moments of a tight, winnable game, then I agree with you.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Stu....start chokin'em. This place would be much better off.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Collins was successful because of the system he learned for 55 years, that's it. DONE AND DONE....new system, he's back to being a #2/#3 QB.

Posted by: POOP | September 18, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Gus is getting the nod up in minnesota go cheer him on, Im sure you will find it much more fuulfilling the pretending to like this team.

Posted by: Stu | September 18, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Cindy | September 18, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

What is 'Preseason all over again' mean?

Posted by: 4th | September 18, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Collins should have started as soon as Saunders got here; DC probably would have won more games in that time. Campbell played well vs. 'aints but still needs to work on peripheral vision. He locked in on Moss on the winning TD pass. What will he do when the good teams take away his primary receiver? Enough about systems. Any top QB can look around the field, find the open man, and deliver the ball on time regardless of the "system". What DC fan doesn't want to see that?

Posted by: Realness | September 18, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Also, can someone explain the ups/downs of "deferring" when you win the coin toss (toin coss)? Why does the team that wins and defers always seem like they want to receive in the second half?

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2008 10:56 AM

Another theory I heard is by the second half the opposing defense is more worn down allowing the offense a little bit of a break.

When I play Madden, I like to defer to, b/c a "goal" is to take the ball away on the first drive and when I receive the kickoff in the second half, I plan to be up so much that marching down the field and scoring just finishes off my opponent.

But, I'm not being paid million$ of dollar$ to figure this stuff out.

Posted by: Not Anonymous | September 18, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"dc, I'm with ya, I don't understand how that was a rules change. I always thought the team to win the coin toss decided whether they got the ball or not, and the other team chose the direction. And that's what they're saying is true now. I don't get it."

Posted by: Karen | September 18, 2008 11:07 AM

Here's my interpretation of the rules change and I could be wrong but this is the only way it makes sense to me.

Old way-You win the coin toss you get to pick whether you want to kick or receive in the first half. Regardless of what you pick the other team gets to choose what they want to do in the second half.

New way-You win the toss and now you have the option of choosing now or waiting until the second half to choose. If you defer, the other team must now choose for the first half and then at the start of the 2nd half you have the option to receive or kick.


Under the old way, just because you choose to kick off in the first half doesn't mean you get the ball in the second half first. It means you will kick off twice, that's why nobody ever did it.

Posted by: will_ga | September 18, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

that can't be a real transcript.... did they actually say that isht?????????

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Stu, you're an idiot. If Collins started last year, the Skins would've doubled their wins. All Campbell does is throw an interception every 4th quarter. He sucks, doesn't even belong in the NFL.
At some point this year, Zorn will see this and bench him sooner than later. Maybe they can get a good later round pick trade for Jason Chokebell.

Posted by: Skins Fan | September 18, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's not too late to lure Heather Shuler out of retirement and trade Campbell...:-)

Posted by: Skins Fan | September 18, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

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