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Redskins Confirm Leftwich Visit

The Redskins have confirmed a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette report that backup quarterback Byron Leftwich visited Redskins Park on Friday. Leftwich, a D.C. native and longtime starter with the Jacksonville Jaguars, spent last season as a backup in Pittsburgh.

Leftwich, 29, worked out for the club and is seen solely as a possible younger and cheaper replacement to backup Todd Collins, 37. The Redskins informed Leftwich that he would not be competing with Jason Campbell during their meeting, according to NFL sources, and made it clear that he would play only if Campbell were injured or ineffective during a start.

The Redskins are offering only one-year veteran minimum contracts to free agents at this time, and made no offer to Leftwich, according to a source. Leftwich, the seventh overall pick in 2003, was once considered a potential franchise quarterback but has received little interest in free agency. Leftwich flourished in a second-half performance against the Redskins in a Monday night game last season and has said in the past that he aspires to start again.

The timing of his arrival here was odd, considering how long Leftwich has been available, and given that owner Daniel Snyder, executive vice president Vinny Cerrato and Coach Jim Zorn spent Friday trying to smooth over relations with Campbell after the team solicited interest in Campbell last week while engaged in deep negotiations to try to acquire Denver quarterback Jay Cutler.

With Collins here, there is a distinct pecking order (although he led the team to the playoffs with Campbell hurt in 2007). The dynamic with Leftwich might be more complicated, given that he is much younger than Collins and has considerably more starting experience (he has started 46 NFL games, Campbell 36). The Redskins operate in a hybrid West Coast offense; Leftwich struggled when Jacksonville implemented that system under Bill Musgrave, a former Washington assistant, and he is a less mobile dropback passer (at 6-feet-5, 250 pounds) who has been more effective in a vertical passing game.

However, signing Leftwich for the veteran minimum would allow Snyder to save more than $1 million with Collins due a $1.9 million salary and a $100,000 workout bonus. He is to make $3 million in 2010 and received a $3 million signing bonus in 2007. Releasing Collins would result in a nominal cap hit, but would save actual dollars.

Collins also has limited experience in a West Coast offense. Although he led the team to the playoffs in 2007, that was under Al Saunders, his longtime mentor. Collins did not take a snap in 2008.

The Redskins hope that No. 3 quarterback Colt Brennan, a 2008 draft pick, will develop into an effective player and are pleased with his progress, according to a league source, but the preference is to have a more veteran presence as the primary backup for now.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 4, 2009; 1:42 PM ET
 
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Comments

Is Collins an effective #2 QB in Zorn's system?

Posted by: siris | April 4, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

let me be FIRST to tell leftwitch that he will prolly never start again

Posted by: jollybengali | April 4, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I've got no problem with bringing in competition even though they said he wouldn't be competing w/JC but if he's had previous problems with this offense what's the point unless it's just to save some $$$.

Posted by: skinswest | April 4, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

how much you want to bet that JC is released prior to the season?

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 4, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"let me be FIRST to tell leftwitch that he will prolly never start again

Posted by: jollybengali | April 4, 2009"

He did extremely well for Pittsburgh when Ben and Charlie Batch went down and seemed to do pretty well. Especially against US! This may be the case of a guy who really needed a good QB coach to help him. There's one up in the booth and coaching the team.

2008 Pittsburgh Steelers
GM GS CMP ATT AVG YDS TD INT LNG RAT
5 0 21 36 58.3 303 2 0 22 104.3
2007 Atlanta Falcons
GM GS CMP ATT AVG YDS TD INT LNG RAT
3 2 32 58 55.2 279 1 2 34 59.5
2006 Jacksonville Jaguars
GM GS CMP ATT AVG YDS TD INT LNG RAT
6 6 108 183 59.0 1,159 7 5 48 79.0
2005 Jacksonville Jaguars
GM GS CMP ATT AVG YDS TD INT LNG RAT
11 11 175 302 57.9 2,123 15 5 110 89.3

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 60 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: He is a veteran quarterback, who Pittsburgh signed off the streets when they lost long-time backup QB Charlie Batch to injury. Leftwich came in and did an excellent job of picking up the system and playing excellent football in limited snaps this season. In limited snaps, he finished the season with a QB rating of 104.3 and threw two touchdowns to zero interceptions. He is a big, strong-armed, pocket-passing quarterback. He has somewhat of an elongated wind up delivery. He is very good playing from shotgun, which allows him to see and read the coverage he is going to get pre-snap. His limited mobility is a liability in this offensive system because he plays behind an offensive line that does not pass protect very well. He has playoff experience, if called upon.

**Local Factor in play.*** You all can pile reams of merda on the guy if he screws up ... he is a local.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

What is Snyder doing? Colt Brennan played in a similar system that Jim Zorn wants to implement and is a natural for that system! Quick release and reads, able to find the open receiver, scrambling ability and most of all-ACCURATE, that's Colt! He places the ball right where is should be, in the receiver's hands! We already have the QB designed for this system, Why did they draft Colt if they aren't going to use his talents? Give him a chance!!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 4, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Leftwich, Batch still seek jobs
Friday, April 03, 2009
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Steelers did not enter the bidding for Denver's Jay Cutler, but they do need a quarterback -- two of them, in fact.

With the draft just three weeks from tomorrow, the Steelers have only two quarterbacks under contract: starter Ben Roethlisberger, with his two Super Bowl rings, and Dennis Dixon, who spent almost all of his rookie season on the sideline.

The Steelers want to sign one or both of their veteran backups, Charlie Batch and Byron Leftwich, both of whom are unrestricted free agents. Yet there seems to be no rush on either side to make a move.

That could change over the next few days.

Leftwich has been talking to one unnamed team other than the Steelers, who have told him they would like to sign him for another year. He has found little interest in him as a starting quarterback in the NFL. If he does not get that chance, he has said he would like to rejoin the Steelers. Leftwich has been working out in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.

Batch, who has been working out with the Steelers, also wishes to return, but like Leftwich, who has the same agent, he has received no contract offer yet from the team. Batch also has received little interest elsewhere.

In the meantime, Dixon, too, has been working out with the Steelers the past two weeks and hopes to make a leap from his rookie season.

"It's my time to go out and get a lot of reps," Dixon said. "I'm still learning, but I'm expected to know more and I'm willing to show them I'm ready."

The Steelers see Dixon as their backup quarterback eventually but perhaps not in 2009. Their goal would be to bring all four quarterbacks to camp.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"Why did they draft Colt if they aren't going to use his talents? Give him a chance!!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 4, 2009"

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 20
Alert: None

Comment: A gunslinger with an aggressive mentality. Accurate, puts good touch on passes and leads receivers on slant routes. Flashes the ability to throw into tight spaces on routes coming over the middle (in-route, posts, etc). Throws a tight spiral, steps into throws and knows how to lead his receivers. Is quick and mobile. Buys a lot of second chances with his feet. Also is capable of tucking the ball and running for first downs when opportunity presents itself. Has good ball skills and fields errant shotgun snaps well. Confident and aggressive. Wants the ball in his hands late in games. Is tough and will play through pain. Has adequate lower body strength and is a tough runner for his size.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I cant believe the FO is contemplating a move that makes sense

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 4, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

But the most revealing category were those quarterbacks who finished with a value of 0 or less. Every one of them failed as NFL quarterbacks. Take a look:

Scores of First-Round Quarterbacks, 1997-2008
Group I: Strong likelihood of success
Player School Draft year Score

Matt Leinart USC 2006 64.04
Philip Rivers NC State 2004 48.44 FRANCHISE
Tim Couch Kentucky 1999 47.64
Alex Smith Utah 2005 44.88
Aaron Rodgers California 2005 40.58
Peyton Manning Tennessee 1998 39.47 FRANCHISE
Jason Campbell Auburn 2005 38.75 *********
Byron Leftwich Marshall 2003 36.39 *********
Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) 2004 33.85 FRANCHISE
Chad Pennington Marshall 2000 33.53
Daunte Culpepper Central Florida 1999 30.00
David Carr Fresno State 2002 23.97
Joe Flacco Delaware 2008 23.92
Eli Manning Ole Miss 2004 23.14 FRANCHISE
Donovan McNabb Syracuse 1999 21.62
Group II: Hit-or-Miss
Player School Draft year Score
Brady Quinn Notre Dame 2007 18.93
JaMarcus Russell LSU 2007 18.64
Rex Grossman Florida 2003 18.39
Vince Young Texas 2006 18.21
Carson Palmer USC 2003 16.35
Matt Ryan Boston College 2008 9.14
Patrick Ramsey Tulane 2002 9.06
J.P. Losman Tulane 2004 7.86
Jay Cutler Vanderbilt 2006 2.39
Group III: Busts
Player School Draft year Score
Akili Smith Oregon 1999 0.00
Cade McNown UCLA 1999 -6.41
Joey Harrington Oregon 2002 -6.85
Michael Vick Virginia Tech 2001 -11.32
Ryan Leaf Washington St. 1998 -16.92
Jim Druckenmiller Virginia Tech 1997 -20.25
Kyle Boller California 2003 -50.67

Stafford scored a -4.45, putting him in unflattering surroundings to say the least. You never want to be on a list that includes Jim Druckenmiller and Akili Smith. Stafford's career completion percentage of 57.1 percent and his touchdown-interception ratio of 1.55 were primarily responsible for his poor showing. That left him rated well below USC quarterback Mark Sanchez and slightly behind Kansas State's Josh Freeman.

Scores for 2009 Likely First-Round Quarterbacks
Player School Score
Mark Sanchez USC 32.63
Josh Freeman Kansas State 1.94
Matthew Stafford Georgia -4.55

Stafford's numbers were dragged down by a freshman season in which Stafford completed 52.7 percent of his passes and threw 13 interceptions against seven touchdowns.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

35 Days to the Draft: Finding a QB
Quarterbacks who take care of the ball tend to go higher in the draft

By Tom Haberstroh


Quick quiz: Which quarterback got drafted higher?

A: The one who threw for 5,833 yards and 52 TD in 2003.
B: The guy who completed better than 70 percent of his passes in 2007.
C: The player who threw just five interceptions in 521 passes in 2007.
D: The one whose QB rating was 181.7 in the 2004 season.

It wasn't A (B.J. Symons of Texas Tech), B (Colt Brennan of Hawaii) or D (Stefan LeFors of Louisville). Despite those gaudy stats, the only first-rounder of the bunch was C, Joe Flacco of Delaware. You know, the guy who led the Ravens to the AFC Championship Game as a rookie last season.

Why did the Ravens like him so much? Was it Delaware's close proximity? Was it his size? Turns out, that low interception rate probably had a lot to do with it. When it comes to projecting draft position, how often a quarterback throws a pick (interceptions per pass attempt) trumped any other statistic in a study of the 103 quarterbacks picked since 2001 (excluding Matt Cassel, Adrian McPherson and A.J. Feeley, none of whom attempted at least 100 passes in their final college seasons). After studying the correlation between draft position and traditional counting stats (interceptions, passing yards, touchdowns), ratio stats (completion percentage, interceptions per attempt, yards per attempt, touchdowns per attempt) and passer efficiency, trends emerged. The key points? Interceptions are crucial. Touchdowns, not so much.

Perhaps interceptions are important because they are about as clear a window as you can find into a quarterback's mental abilities. Scouts can measure physical attributes at the combine, but interceptions are lessons in decision-making. They are mistakes resulting from poor reads, bad decisions or inaccuracy. Flacco, based on his low rate of interceptions, apparently entered the NFL well-prepared mentally.

Meanwhile, it makes sense that touchdowns aren't as strong an indicator of draft position. After all, getting into the end zone is far less a function of the quarterback than of his team's overall offensive scheme, his coach's play calling and the skill of his wide receivers (whether they're dragging a toe inside the end line or turning a screen pass into a 65-yard race to pay dirt).

So how should INT rate impact this year's draft? Well, it argues in favor of Texas Tech's Graham Harrell, whom Scouts Inc. currently ranks ninth among quarterbacks. That might be a bit low, since his stats compare favorably to those of Philip Rivers, who was the fourth overall pick in the 2004 draft. Rivers threw an interception every 69 passes; Harrell got picked off once every 69.6 attempts. Only 10 quarterbacks in the eight-year study had a better rate than Harrell, so maybe his coach, Mike Leach, isn't just exhibiting bias in claiming Harrell is the top quarterback in the draft.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, interceptions don't bode well for Louisville's Hunter Cantwell. He's 6-foot-5, and his arm strength has impressed scouts. But his numbers are eerily similar to the senior-year stats of ESPN's own Jesse Palmer, who was the seventh quarterback picked in 2001 and never emerged as a legit NFL passer. Cantwell threw 16 total TDs and an interception every 23.6 attempts; Palmer tossed 18 TDs and got picked off once every 23.1 throws.

The close proximity in ranking between Cantwell and Harrell illustrates the vast number of evaluative factors that determine draft position. But if the relationship between draft status and passing statistics holds, Harrell will likely jump ahead of Cantwell when it counts.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

This makes sense to me. If they sign Leftwich to a multi-year contract it gives the team another option if JC struggles this season. It gives them a younger guy that could potentially fill the gap if the Redskins decide to let JC walk next year and draft a QB. Leftwich being onboard could also send a message to Colt Brennan that he will have to compete for the backup spot. As for Collins, he was a good replacement when Al Saunders was in town, but let's face it: he's old, he isn't comfortable in the system, and his arm strength has never been something to write home about. Leftwich also has ties to the DC area and it's good to see the Redskins looking for some homespun talent. I like this signing if it happens.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 4, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line Colt's tendencies were to MAKE too many MISTAKES leading to interceptions, fumbles and sacks. Hawaii's W/L record (in spite of his gaudy stats) appears to reflect that.

Seems a bit like former Terp QB Boomer Esiason. He of the shiny red tricked out truck, license: TERP QB, and a "D" average in school.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"Leftwich would only play if Campbell were injured or "ineffective" during a start." That "ineffetive" part worries me. "Ineffective" according to who. We're not gonna treat our QB's like hockey goalies now, are we?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 4, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins informed Leftwich that he ... would play only if Campbell were injured or ineffective during a start.

By Jason La Canfora | April 4, 2009; 1:42 PM ET

Of course, Dan and Vinny obviously anticipate that Campbell will be ineffective during many starts.

How many winks do you think were exchanged when they told Leftwich that he wouldn't be competing to start? Leftwich should come in at the minimum but with several incentives in the contract.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

The separate parameters for BCS and non-BCS quarterbacks help level the statistical playing field. They are based on the assumption that NFL-caliber quarterbacks playing against non-BCS opponents are going to have inflated numbers.

For BCS quarterbacks
(Career Starts x 0.5) + [(Career completion pct. - 60)x5] +[(Career touchdown-INT ratio - 2.25)x10]

For non-BCS quarterbacks
(Career Starts x 0.5) + [(Career completion pct. - 60)x2.5] + [(Career touchdown-INT Ratio - 2.25)x5]

In Colt Brennan's case from 2005 he does look pretty good:

31 games started from 2005
31 X 0.5 = 15.5
(70.5 - 60) X 2.5 = 26.25
[(131 / 42) - 2.25] X 5 = 4.35

15.5 + 26.25 + 4.35 = 46.1


Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"How many winks do you think were exchanged when they told Leftwich that he wouldn't be competing to start? Leftwich should come in at the minimum but with several incentives in the contract.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2009"

Who really knows certainly Zorn is not in charge. As ESPN states in "on the Clock", Dan Snyder makes the decisions, Vinnie, (as last year showed), only comes into play if they trade down.

As far as major free agents (non "bit part" players, all skill players) Snidely makes the call, not Vinnie and certainly not Zorn.

Honestly I would feel so much better if Blache were making the calls.


Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

So, using the ESPN Scoring barometer for college QB's the Redskins would be in great shape QB wise well if they replace Collins with Leftwich.

Colt Brennan Hawaii 2008 46.1
Jason Campbell Auburn 2005 38.75
Byron Leftwich Marshall 2003 36.39

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

how much you want to bet that JC is released prior to the season?

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 4, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I will happily take that bet....name the stakes!

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | April 4, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

CAN WE START BRINGING IN LINEBACKERS AND OFFENSIVE LINEMEN FOR A FRICKIN' CHANGE???

PLEASE - PLEASE - PLEASE????

Posted by: charley42 | April 4, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The timing of his arrival here was exceedingly odd, considering how long Leftwich has been available, and given that owner Daniel Snyder, executive vice president Vinny Cerrato and Coach Jim Zorn spent the day trying to smooth over relations with starting quarterback Jason Campbell after the team solicited interest in Campbell last week while engaged in deep negotiations to try to acquire Denver quarterback Jay Cutler.--JASNO

1. Please go a little easy on those 66 word sentences. Some of the ADD set here lose focus after 5-10.

2. How cynical must one be to think the FO Brain trust timed Leftwich's visit and Campbell's meeting so Jason wouldn't run into Lefty? Awwwwwk-ward.

3. Why are they worrying about a backup QB when they should be bringing in FAs at more critical positions to chat with? Did they even know Orlando Pace was healthy?

Posted by: TheCork | April 4, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

THE WAY "SOUPS" is carrying himself, the better sign him up now..... The kid is a Class Act and just bought himself some "Leadership Capital" from his teammates..... Great ATTITUDE JC!!!! He's my franchise QB!!!

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | April 4, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Honestly I would feel so much better if Blache were making the calls.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 3:28 PM

I would feel better if you, ChrIs LaRry, or Cork were making the calls. I'd still rather have Snyder, though, than Alex, Lisa, or Dealer.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

We'll be picking up Plaxico as soon as he's allowed to leave the state of NY....

Posted by: mac2j | April 4, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I am sooo over Snyder! As many of you know, I have tried to find the positives in the FO once Gibbs returned. When Gibbs was here I truly believe Snyder did stand back and let him run the show. However, since his departure, Snyder has returned to the "Snyder of Old" - even bringing in Leftwich for a workout before the dust could even settle on the Cutler debacle.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 4, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"CAN WE START BRINGING IN LINEBACKERS AND OFFENSIVE LINEMEN FOR A FRICKIN' CHANGE???

PLEASE - PLEASE - PLEASE????

Posted by: charley42 | April 4, 2009"

They did ... at least 3 different OL starting with Derrick Dockery; and for DL, let's see there was Haynesworth for starters, then Wynn (with NY Giants previously), Daniels ...

Someone like Pace would not accept the Vets minimum which truly is all they can offer given the current salary cap situation. After doing some research I found out that could have fit Cutler (in addition to Soups for that matter) because his salary for 2009 is at the Vets minimum level.

(That probably means Denver ate bonus and had it tacked onto their cap)

But that was VERY RARE, and a perfect trade scenario for a team with a serious case of Salary cap influenza.

Finally as for the linebacker position apparently they are going to try to put Chris Wilson and perhaps Rob Jackson there in order to better utilize their speed.

Then there's the draft ... clearly tackle, DE and linebacker (hopefully CB as well but that seems doubtful?) are goals for this draft. No drafting based on best available; the signals appear to indicate that Vinnie will not be given as much of a free reign and that every pick will be used to address a current need.

My gut feeling is that Vinnie will execute a trade to both trade down and acquire more picks using #13 and next year's picks. I supect they will get a tackle, a guard/center, and a DE/LB in the top 3 rounds. Other needs such as kicker, CB, change-of-pace RB will also be met.

If its any consolation Jasno my intuition seems to indicate that my old pal Snidely and his sidekick Vinnie do read your blog.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Forget Plaxico, Devin Thomas had better become a Gary Clark type 2nd rounder for this team next year ...

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

A random person on the street would know more about football than Vinny and Danny combined. Like everyone here said, we need help on our O-line, if we improve that, our QB will improve. They'll probably do something crazy and draft another wide reciever when what we need is a linebacker. *Sigh* I wish Dan Synder would resign, it'd be best for everyone, especially us sad fans. ;(

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins: 2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
15 year veteran, 37 years old.
Grade: 59
Alert: None

Comment: Collins is a seasoned veteran who has pretty much been a reserve for all 13 of his previous seasons. He filled in, admirably, for an injured Jason Campbell in 2007 for the final four games as well as the postseason. In the final four games he had a quarterback rating of 106.4 and did a great job of finding the open receiver and putting the ball in a place the receiver could catch it. He showed poise in the pocket and did not take unnecessary sacks. While he does not have a cannon for an arm, the ball jumps off his arm with a little zip. He is not much of a scrambler and pretty much needs to stay in the pocket. He can read coverages, was decisive and quick going through his progressions and gave his team a chance to win games. He no longer possesses starter skills, but proved he can do a good job of stepping in when needed.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Collins:

GMs: 44
CMP: 369
ATT: 661
AVG: 56.7
YDS: 4336
TD: 22
INT: 19
LNG: 96
RAT: 76.2

Leftwich

GMS: 64
CMP: 842
ATT: 1438
AVG: 58.6
YDS: 9624
TD: 54
INT: 38
LNG: 84
RAT: 80.3

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Collins over Leftwich as a no. 2 anyday - more clutch

Posted by: ElYeah | April 4, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I know I have supported Campbell greatly the days after the trade didn't go down, but I as many of you guys here, wouldn't mind seeing Colt Brennan. I think he is mightily talented. There is something very intriging about him. His play vs. the Colts last year was pretty amazing (yes it was against third string but still) the accuracy was right on and he has "it." (Like Joe Theismann said) He also led us to a last minute win against the Jets (yes, I know it was preseason, but still!)
I'm really excited to see what he can do in this year's preseason.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Key statistic for Collins and Leftwich is again TD to interception ratio:

Collins : 1.26
Leftwich: 1.42
Campbell: 1.56
Brennan : 3.10 (in College).

Colt's college ratio is best, followed by Campbell, followed by Leftwich. Both Campbell's
and Leftwich's reflect playing both as starter and in relief. Except for this year Campbell played mostly in relief. Collins played entirely in relief. Coming in off the bench is much harder than preparing and starting a game.

By anyone's measurement Campbell and Leftwich would appear to be the better choice for QB and backup for this team. While continuing to groom Colt at #3 using the tried-and-true Gibbs process.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

peric,

I know they looked at those positions - but that was a while ago. I was screaming at the frustration that I have with the offensive front office linemen in the organization.

I thought it was funny what that one guy said (forgot who) - that they were going to draft a tight end at 13 and go with a 3 tight end set next year!

Posted by: charley42 | April 4, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Teams really do NEED more than one good STARTING QB.

Campbell, the current starter has already suffered a season ending injury and was placed on IR. Given Colt's penchant for taking risks, running the ball doubtless that could happen to him as well.

Joe Gibbs found this out the HARD WAY when Joe Theismann had is leg snapped in half by Lawrence Taylor.

You can never have just one, even if he is a "franchise QB".

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Nate! Let's have a shabingus!

What kind of boobs are running this blog? Why hasn't this been on the blog yet? Here we have the only serious Redskins offseason competition that counts and we have to unearth it in the Style Section of the Post:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So You Want to Be a Redskins Cheerleader?

For a week now, the Washington Redskins cheerleaders have been auditioning, and cutting, women who hope to make it on the squad for the 2009 season. Tomorrow, 50 hopefuls will have one last, anxiety-filled tryout -- a final audition that is open for the public to come watch (and try to guess who'll make it and who won't). The process will be more like a beauty pageant than what you'd expect, because the ladies will be in swimwear, cocktail dresses and cheerleader uniforms -- and, of course, will show off their dancing talent. At the end of the night, the audience will get to hear who made the squad. Tickets are $15-$25. 8-10 p.m. Tickets will be available at the door only beginning at 7 p.m. Bethesda Theatre, 7719 Wisconsin Ave., Bethesda. http://www.bethesdatheatre.com or http://www.redskins.com.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line, Leftwich sucks. That's why he is still available.Just give Colt a shot and he will beat out Campbell.

Posted by: skinsflorida | April 4, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"I thought it was funny what that one guy said (forgot who) - that they were going to draft a tight end at 13 and go with a 3 tight end set next year!

Posted by: charley42 | April 4, 2009"

By now you must have heard that "The Guiding Light" a soap opera that ran for 72 years has finally come to an end.

Its been replaced by a new daytime drama called "Dulles", which follows the trials and tribulations of Dan Snyder, Vinnie Cerrato, their spouses and players and coaches who come and go from the team. Many women fans have been clamoring to see more of "super hottay" Colt Brennan. Network big wigs have been pressuring Dan Snyder, (who plays Snidely the Owl), to give him a greater part in the drama.

I think Snyder has severely curtailed, and reigned in Cerrato for sure. You can see his paw prints all over this entire free agency period. Do you think it will be any different in the draft?

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"Bottom line, Leftwich sucks. That's why he is still available.Just give Colt a shot and he will beat out Campbell.

Posted by: skinsflorida | April 4, 2009"

Bottom line, given the way Colt plays, if he gets hurt ... then what? Maybe his leg gets split in two by DeMarcus Ware?

You need more than one. Bottom line.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

And Colt did have to have knee surgery during this offseason as I recall.

Too many people on this blog either have a man crush on Colt or are women who want into his pants.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Stats don't lie. Take Leftwich over Collins. Added benefit is that he is a local (not from surfer land Irvine and Hawaii like Colt "Pitt"). The pressure would really be on were he to come here to play.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

maybe they are clearing some space for plax, call me crazy but I think they should try and pull it off. I dont think Kelly will do much this year and it would finally give campbell a tall (capable) receiver. Sign him to a one year deal and lets see what campbell can do with him.

Posted by: jasonbrown20 | April 4, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Colt is not afraid to make a decison and go with the throw.That's why he is better than Campbell.If Colt gets hurt, happens all the time in the NFL, you bring in Campbell.

Posted by: skinsflorida | April 4, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Colt is the real deal ;)

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Not to bash Campbell, but let's face it, I think Colt was more popular than Jason Campbell among Redskins fans last year! He was probably the most popular guy in the NFL who didn't even take a snap.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"Not to bash Campbell, but let's face it, I think Colt was more popular than Jason Campbell among Redskins fans last year! He was probably the most popular guy in the NFL who didn't even take a snap.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009"

He's making Snidely (also know as the Daniel Snyder) a bit jealous and miffed. He is the star of this soap opera. Colt is why he lost all that weight. His wife may also be enamored with Colt.

If we aren't careful they may put "Bolt" the dog in at starting QB. He is pretty amazing, especially that super bark.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"For a week now, the Washington Redskins cheerleaders have been auditioning, and cutting, women who hope to make it on the squad for the 2009 season. Tomorrow, 50 hopefuls will have one last, anxiety-filled tryout ...
Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2009"

The winners will receive one frolic filled date with sexy Colt Brennan, the Redskins official super "hottay".

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

rachel, the backup QB in Washington is historically a very popular figure, a heartthrob, a miracle-worker, the stuff of legend...

I do think it's swell that Colt arrived with a legion of Hawaii fans behind him. But I don't want to see the kid on the field this year. We're winning with Jason Campbell, is how I see this thing playing out.

Hmm... most popular guy in the NFL who didn't take a snap last season... I'd go with Michael Vick. Even considering the bitey dog issues.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 4, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone one know if coach Zorn has the contractual right to determine the starting quarterback? I ask, because it might become a factor in this upcoming season.

There is a historical reference: I recall a Post reported disagreement between Dan S. and Norv T. regarding the starting quarterback, Dan S. wanted a quarterback change and Norv dusted off his contract and pointed out that he had sole authority on that decision. It might have happened the year he was fired. The point is that since Jim Zorn negotiated his own contract with Dan S. . . would he thought to insist such a clause and would Dan S. have allowed it?

Posted by: DailyOm | April 4, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Forget Plaxico, Devin Thomas had better become a Gary Clark type 2nd rounder for this team next year ...

Posted by: periculum

If Plaxico plays next year it will be for a team quarterbacked by Burt Reynolds.

Posted by: TheCork | April 4, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins thoroughly outplayed Jason Campbell when Jason was hurt a few years ago. Remember that he even won NFC offensive player of the month in December. He was superb.

Posted by: nativedc | April 4, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"There is a historical reference: I recall a Post reported disagreement between Dan S. and Norv T. regarding the starting quarterback, Dan S. wanted a quarterback change and Norv dusted off his contract and pointed out that he had sole authority on that decision. It might have happened the year he was fired.
Posted by: DailyOm | April 4, 2009"

Indigo -> DailyOm.

Yes, but as I recall Mr. Jeff George did end up in the starting line up ... much to everyone's everlasting chagrin. Amazing that team ended up 8-8 in the end.

Have to assume that Snidely will get his way ... one way or the other ... yes, even over Joe Gibbs which is why I suspect he "re-retired". The tragic death of Sean Taylor apparently was the straw that broke the camel's back. And perhaps from Gibb's perspective Taylor had begun to do everything the right way ... an HOF star rising.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Nate: yeah, I totally forgot about Michael Vick.. haha.

What if Colt plays really well in the preseason? Better than Campbell?! (albeit, it would be against 2nd or 3rd string) QB controversy! The most popular thing in Washington, D.C.!!

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Teams really do NEED more than one good STARTING QB.


Posted by: periculum

But you know what lessens the odds of your starter going down? An offensive line that can block.

Posted by: TheCork | April 4, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"Todd Collins thoroughly outplayed Jason Campbell when Jason was hurt a few years ago. Remember that he even won NFC offensive player of the month in December. He was superb.

Posted by: nativedc | April 4, 2009"

This was really only Jason's 3rd year. Theismann had a couple of less than gaudy years before he got put on the straight and narrow by Gibbs. And by then he was in for over 5.

While Collins had been steeped in that complicated offense for around 10. The guy does have a master's degree so he is smart.

But statistics don't lie. Look at the number of TDs in his career to interceptions. Compare to Campbell. To Leftwich, even to Colt's college stats.

Now Colt also had a good number of sacks and fumbles in College.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"But you know what lessens the odds of your starter going down? An offensive line that can block.

Posted by: TheCork | April 4, 2009"

TRUE, and a QB who stays in the pocket and doesn't try to make himself a hero (Colt).

So ... what exactly is the reason you want a linebacker over a left tackle with #13 again?

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I dunno what to make of this QB mess. It looked great up to a few days ago: the entrenched starter and team leader with plenty to prove; the master clipboard holder who any of us would trust starting for a month; and the young kid, a project with tremendous upside.

When it became clear the Skins weren't in a hurry to extend Campbell, I was looking forward to one more season sorting it all out. And for my part, expecting Campbell to demonstrate once and for all that he has "what it takes." And then to say adios to Collins and proceed with Campbell as #1 and Colt as #2.

Now I have no freakin' idea what to expect for the next month, let alone this season. But I know that whatever happens, I will retain my man-love for Jason Campbell. Yes I will.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 4, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"What if Colt plays really well in the preseason? Better than Campbell?! (albeit, it would be against 2nd or 3rd string) QB controversy! The most popular thing in Washington, D.C.!!

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009"

What if? I heard that Paramount was interested in using Colt as the new Captain Picard who inadvertently meets the new Captain Kirk in the past. Colt could be a movie staaah ... swimmin' pools ... black gold, texas tea ... well the first thing ya know ol' Colt's a billionaire kin folk said Colt move away from der, said Washington DC is the place you oughta be so he loaded up his balls and he moved to Ten--ley ...
town that is ...

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"I will retain my man-love for Jason Campbell. Yes I will.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 4, 2009"

Ah, spring and another man-crush. Sheeeesh the guy who wants this the most and tries the hardest gets the least love ... and that would be Snidely the Owl.

Heard that uber cougar Jennifer Montana also has a crush on Colt. And Michael Vick ... :)

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

beep beep my ... and its Saturday!!!

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I have no clue what these 2 FO clowns are thinking, but if they bring in Leftwich as a stop-gap, leaving Colt at #3...well, this is why the Skins haven't had a franchise QB during my adult life.

At some point you've got to see what the kid can do. Seriously. The Packers took a leap of faith with Rogers and it paid off. Other cases were disastrous. Remember Sage Rosenfels?

If they have doubts about JC, declare an open competition.

Posted by: messykat | April 4, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Open competition between Colt and Campbell! I agree with skinsflorida, to me, Campbell never wants to take a risk, and when he does it gets intercepted. He never makes a pass unless he is 100% sure it will be caught. That's why he had so little touchdowns and interceptions last year, he never took any risks. Maybe it was Zorn's playcalling or maybe it was Jason being scared, either way, it was annoying. I think we threw the ball over 30 yards maybe once per game.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

If Leftwich is willing to work out for the Redskins knowing that he's not competing for a starting job at all it doesn't make much sense for the Skins to be the only team interested. There is teams with horrible quarterback situations out there. Like say...New York Jets? Minnesota Vikings (sory, not sold on Tavaris or Sage). San Francisco would be a good fit for his skill set. Or even the Rams if their only insurance policy is Kyle Boller.

Posted by: daniel_estepp | April 4, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

A little bit harsh on the part of management, like the employee Campbell is on the brink. Looks like he's on the block (like Vinnie's neck). The off-season histrionics of the Skins looks to be symptomatic of a deeper problem within the FO..Like the lack of a real general manager..So what else is new, Dan..

Posted by: frak | April 4, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Collins holds a little [place in our hearts for that playoff run...always will.

The Leftwich thing makes sense though. Younger and less of a hit to the cap next year.

I like when RI reiterates that Colt is 3rd STRING!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 4, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

BTW, releasing Collins would save $2.0m in base salary and workout bonuses but would cost the Skins $2.5m in prorated bonus money.

Posted by: PCinOz | April 4, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

All due respect to Collins, but everyone on here is wary that he might be a system QB left over from Saunders..And 37 ain't no spring chicken..If Leftwich is there, he'd be a great acquisition..

Posted by: frak | April 4, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

It's a bad day for all the QBs in this system. First they threaten Jason with Cutler, then they threaten the backups with Leftwich. Actually, Leftwich can a backup or a starter so his presence will really shake things up.

The attention needs to be on the offensive line. Isn't there some hot lineman that Synder wants to overpay to protect the QBs that we have?

It's like they are trying to fix structural cracks with paint. They need to fix the foundation first because the receivers, the running backs and the QB all rely on the line for blocking. We need The Hogs. We need a healthy group of guys that can block, open holes, and keep defensive linemen from spending more time in our back field than Clinton Portis.

Posted by: Carole5520 | April 4, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

HEY DAN, PLAXICO IS AVAILABLE!!!!

Posted by: demtse | April 4, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the designated n'er-do-well status, webbie, truth always hurts..

Posted by: frak | April 4, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Just give Colt a chance since he has experience in a West Coast type offense, which calls for quick release and quick decision. He is also mobile. If he would've come out after his junior year when he threw for 58 TDs and over 5500 yds, he would've been at least a 2nd round pick. This isn't me saying this, but the draft experts at the time. That last game agaisnt Georgia his senior year in the Sugar Bowl just killed his stock. I don't care if it was Joe Montana back there during that game. No QB would've survived that game. You think JC doesn't get time to throw? The gap between skins offensive line against most NFL defensive lines when comparing Hawaii's offensive line to Georgia's defensive line is not even a comparison. In other words, JC had plenty of time to throw against the steelers when comparing to Colt trying to throw against the Georgia defense in that Sugar Bowl. Talent wise there's no way he should've been anything less than a 2nd round pick but the experts look at that last game and try to give that excuse of the "gimmick offense" he played for as their reason for him being drafted so late. If he ever got a chance to play here, and I don't mean for 8-10 games but truly get a chance like the abundance of chances that JC has gotten in his career here, he would be great. There is no doubt in my mind.

Posted by: jk67 | April 4, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

""Why did they draft Colt if they aren't going to use his talents? Give him a chance!!
Posted by: KurtShanaman"

Stop it, Colt.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 4, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

"So, using the ESPN Scoring barometer for college QB's the Redskins would be in great shape QB wise well if they replace Collins with Leftwich. Colt Brennan Hawaii 2008 46.1
Jason Campbell Auburn 2005 38.75 Byron Leftwich Marshall 2003 36.39 Posted by: periculum "

Umm... what year did Todd Collins leave college? Is he a little older than the other guys? Has the game changed any since then?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 4, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

how much you want to bet that JC is released prior to the season?


Jason will start every game this coming year barring injury. Now the following year is up in the air as no contract is in place.

So save your money.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | April 4, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is not jiving around. Jason Campbell or Jim Zorn must step to the plate and get this offense moving this season or one or both will be outa' here. Ya' heard' me.

It's just that simple folks.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 4, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Open competition between Colt and Campbell! I agree with skinsflorida, to me, Campbell never wants to take a risk, and when he does it gets intercepted. He never makes a pass unless he is 100% sure it will be caught. That's why he had so little touchdowns and interceptions last year, he never took any risks. Maybe it was Zorn's playcalling or maybe it was Jason being scared, either way, it was annoying. I think we threw the ball over 30 yards maybe once per game.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 6:21 PM

Aptly put and is why I graded Jason a 'C' for last year. As the quarterback and leader he has to push the envelope and not play it safe. Zorn or Jason must recognize this and make this a scoring offense and not a scared one.

Is why Portis was frustrated at times, because he knows the offense even in Zorns first year should have been more prolific.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 4, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

We need Rex Grossman, somebody who has played in big games, not Byron Leftwich. Get a clue Washington and sign Grossman already, he won 15 games in 2006, his only year as a full-time starter. Jim Zorn would bring the best out of a seasoned Grossman and I believe could flourish. SIGN REX GROSSMAN

Posted by: jonny5wide | April 4, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Pwericulum! Bottom line Colt's tendencies were to MAKE too many MISTAKES leading to interceptions, fumbles and sacks. Hawaii's W/L record (in spite of his gaudy stats) appears to reflect that.-------
I am from Hawaii and all we did was win! We were the ONLY undefeated team in the nation when we went to the BOWL game. Yes we lost because the LINE could not protect Colt! With Colt as QB, we lost only 3 games out of 28!!!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 4, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

This deal makes sense...Leftwich is from D.C. and will have an extra incentive to get here. I like Campbell, but some want to handle him with "kid gloves". So what if we bring Leftwich.....you play...you get paid!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 5, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

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