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Posted at 4:57 PM ET, 12/17/2010

Redskins-Cowboys injury report: Kedric Golston out

By Rick Maese

The Redskins have ruled out defensive end Kedric Golston (groin/elbow) for Sunday's game at the Dallas Cowboys, according to the final injury report of the week.

In addition, the Redskins have listed the following seven players as questionable: linebacker Lorenzo Alexander (hamstring), receiver Brandon Banks, defensive end Phillip Daniels (abdomen), safety Kareem Moore (knee), center Casey Rabach (knee), cornerback Carlos Rogers (hamstring) and running back Ryan Torain (hamstring). Torain and Moore participated fully in the team's practice Friday, while the others were all limited.

Golston had started all 13 games this season at right defensive end and had posted 57 tackles, according to the team's numbers. With Golston unable to play, the Redskins will have to tweak the starting lineup and could rely more on Vonnie Holliday at Dallas.

Kicker Graham Gano (ribs) and quarterback Donovan McNabb (hamstring) were listed as probable.

For the Cowboys, running back Marion Barber (calf), receiver Roy Williams (groin) and receiver Jesse Holley (knee) were listed as questionable. Williams did not practice Friday.

By Rick Maese  | December 17, 2010; 4:57 PM ET
 
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There was nothing in McNabb's history that told the Shanahan's that he wouldn't work in their system?

Posted by: skinswest | December 17, 2010 4:43 PM

My own theory is that McNabb's play has been worse than they expected. He hasn't been as good this year as he was in the past. But -- and this is only a hunch -- the deal killer was the relationship between McNabb and his offensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan. I'm betting that McNabb openly disrespected Kyle on multiple occasions and the Shanahans realize that he's not going to fit in with the direction they want to take the team. They handled this badly, starting with wasting those draft picks.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Ummm, news flash. Has his value gone up since he left Houston? Kinda doubt it, don't you? I doubt people will be beating down the door for the boy wonder who couldn't get on the same page with the 6-time Pro Bowl QB.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, you are wrong, as usual. Nobody in their right mind would ding Kyle Shanahan's ability to coach offense in the NFL based on what has happened with a bad roster of talent through 13 games.

If you really think the last 3 months negate what he accomplished in Houston you are likely alone in your assessment.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

If you really think the last 3 months negate what he accomplished in Houston you are likely alone in your assessment.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 5:09 PM

No, there's at least one other person who agrees with him. After what happened here people will attribute Kyle's earlier success to Kubiak and his failure here to Kyle. He and his father need to turn it around next year -- he has a lot of tarnish on his halo.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Ummm, news flash. Has his value gone up since he left Houston? Kinda doubt it, don't you? I doubt people will be beating down the door for the boy wonder who couldn't get on the same page with the 6-time Pro Bowl QB.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, you are wrong, as usual. Nobody in their right mind would ding Kyle Shanahan's ability to coach offense in the NFL based on what has happened with a bad roster of talent through 13 games.

If you really think the last 3 months negate what he accomplished in Houston you are likely alone in your assessment.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty

Really, kid has 3 years as on OC on his resume and you're saying people won't pay attention to all 3 years? Seems to me, most people would pay attention.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

If for no other reason, here's why the McNabb benching is quite possibly the dumbest decision ever. Every team in the NFL, including the Cards and the Vikes (our potential trading partners) now know that we will be releasing McNabb before the start of next season. If we continued to start him, even if he underperformed, we could continue to say "he's our QB" and he would at least have SOME trade value. As it stands now, it is clear that we will release him and not pay him the $10 mill roster bonus that he will be due. For a guy that normally plays it close to the vest, Shanny sure did lay all his cards out for the league to see.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | December 17, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton, here we come!!

Posted by: Section104 | December 17, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Of all days that I had no time to blog...

Posted by: alex35332 | December 17, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Every team in the NFL, including the Cards and the Vikes (our potential trading partners) now know that we will be releasing McNabb before the start of next season.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | December 17, 2010 5:23 PM

This is why no one ever goes into a car dealership and says "I'm interested in trading in my car." Once they know you're shopping, you've ELIMINATED any trade value. Might as well donate the car to the Salvation Army after you've made this mistake.

Hey, HokiesSkins, a player's trade value is based on what other teams think he's worth, not what we claim he's worth. If there's only one team, you won't get squat (AH at Tennessee). If there's two or more teams, then they have to bid against each other. And after the way he played this season, I'd be surprised if any team wanted him, even if the Redskins had said "McNabb is our future. We wouldn't take three first round picks for him."

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

If for no other reason, here's why the McNabb benching is quite possibly the dumbest decision ever. Every team in the NFL, including the Cards and the Vikes (our potential trading partners) now know that we will be releasing McNabb before the start of next season. If we continued to start him, even if he underperformed, we could continue to say "he's our QB" and he would at least have SOME trade value. As it stands now, it is clear that we will release him and not pay him the $10 mill roster bonus that he will be due. For a guy that normally plays it close to the vest, Shanny sure did lay all his cards out for the league to see.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | December 17, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

another reason it's dumb is, Shanny could say he doesn't want to see him get hurt, or he's hurt, something that doesn't humiliate McNabb, or it's an elaborate scheme of some sort

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 17, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

then why did they bring McNabb here?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 17, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

If for no other reason, here's why the McNabb benching is quite possibly the dumbest decision ever. Every team in the NFL, including the Cards and the Vikes (our potential trading partners) now know that we will be releasing McNabb before the start of next season. If we continued to start him, even if he underperformed, we could continue to say "he's our QB" and he would at least have SOME trade value. As it stands now, it is clear that we will release him and not pay him the $10 mill roster bonus that he will be due. For a guy that normally plays it close to the vest, Shanny sure did lay all his cards out for the league to see.

Posted by: HokiesSkins

I think its unlikely anyone would have taken McNabb and his current contract. $15mil/yr is going to keep everyone away, even if they have a need at QB.

The only scenario that would have kept Donovan in DC would be if he hadn't signed his deal earlier this year and then we signed him in the offseason at a much lower figure. Because wherever he plays in 2011, it'll be at a much lower figure.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

another reason it's dumb is, Shanny could say he doesn't want to see him get hurt, or he's hurt, something that doesn't humiliate McNabb, or it's an elaborate scheme of some sort

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 17, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I think that it would still humiliate McNabb.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 17, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Really, kid has 3 years as on OC on his resume and you're saying people won't pay attention to all 3 years? Seems to me, most people would pay attention.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Dude, way to make things up. Well done. Show me again where I said nobody will pay attention?

You seem to have reading comprehension issues.

They will absolutely pay attention and they may say wow, how did you manage to win any games and have the 16th ranked yardage offense with that roster?

They may see the wide receivers running open down field and see Torain set a franchise rushing mark for a quarter and a half and realize it is not the scheme that's the problem, it's a lack of talent and depth.

People like you pretend you know the game. You are blind. The scheme is not the issue, the talent is the issue.

Kyle Shanahan is widely regarded as a major offensive coaching talent and his star is only rising whether you choose to believe it or not.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

But -- and this is only a hunch -- the deal killer was the relationship between McNabb and his offensive coordinator, Kyle Shanahan. I'm betting that McNabb openly disrespected Kyle on multiple occasions and the Shanahans realize that he's not going to fit in with the direction they want to take the team. They handled this badly, starting with wasting those draft picks.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 4:54 PM

McNabb doesn't seem the type to disrespect a coach but I do agree with you in that I suspect something was just not working in the McNabb-Kyle Shanahan relationship. He probably frustrated the hell out of KS with his bounce passes, not seeing the open man, etc.

Posted by: skinswest | December 17, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey, HokiesSkins, a player's trade value is based on what other teams think he's worth, not what we claim he's worth. If there's only one team, you won't get squat (AH at Tennessee). If there's two or more teams, then they have to bid against each other. And after the way he played this season, I'd be surprised if any team wanted him, even if the Redskins had said "McNabb is our future. We wouldn't take three first round picks for him."

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 5:29 PM

I never said we would get a first rounder for him....as a matter of fact, I believe I said "some" trade value. Now he has NO trade value. And as for Zeke, I agree that his contract could have been an issue in a trade, but if McNabb knew he would get released and resigned for a much lower amount, I suspect he might have been willing to restructure that deal.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | December 17, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, while the McNabb era here seems over, there is always the possibility of a twist ending, where Grossman winds up out of the game (injury, bad play) and McNabb pulls out a win. Because just when you think it is over around here ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm just surprised that the Shanahans appear ready to move on from McNabb so soon. No waiting to see if he improves by surrounding him with better personnel? A couple OLs, maybe Vincent Jackson at WR (or some upgrade there at least). Why can't they do this while grooming a young QB? Very curious

Posted by: skinswest | December 17, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Draft Cam Newton. Do a google and find out how many Heisman trophy winning QBs have made it to the SB! Or how's Heisman trophy winners making it to the SB! How many Heisman trophy winning QBs are in the HOF? How many Heisman trophy winners are in the HOF?

Heisman trophy winning Qbs don't pan out.

Only way Skins get back to the SB is if Snyder sells the team.

Posted by: lotusxidriver | December 17, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Draft Cam Newton. Do a google and find out how many Heisman trophy winning QBs have made it to the SB! Or how's Heisman trophy winners making it to the SB! How many Heisman trophy winning QBs are in the HOF? How many Heisman trophy winners are in the HOF?

Heisman trophy winning Qbs don't pan out.

Only way Skins get back to the SB is if Snyder sells the team.

Posted by: lotusxidriver | December 17, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

And as for Zeke, I agree that his contract could have been an issue in a trade, but if McNabb knew he would get released and resigned for a much lower amount, I suspect he might have been willing to restructure that deal.

Posted by: HokiesSkins

fwiw, I think McNabb signed that deal hoping that the Skins would be in a weak bargaining position -- that they really couldn't afford to let him go. That too many people would have a vested interest in continuing with him. After all, several people, including Shanahan, put their own credibility on the line.

Turned out, it came down to something pretty simple -- McNabb played like a $3million QB, not a $15million QB.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I've see multiple reports that the 2011 4th rounder in the McNabb deal is conditional. What is it conditional on? If it's number of snaps or other performance metrics, this move may not turn out to be so dumb.

Anyone know the conditions?

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | December 17, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

This board is so fickle.

In '07, JC had finished with a 77 rating, a 5-7 record, and cost us a 1st round pick (and then some). 'Bench him for the playoff guy' was the chant!

Now some guy with a 77.1 rating, a 5-8 record, who cost us a 2nd rounder, is untouchable, and the kid who has been to a Super Bowl more recently than that guy has leprosy or something.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 17, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Skins O line maybe the second worst in the NFL.

Receivers and running backs probably the worst. Art Monk, Gary Clark, Donny Warren and Joe Washington playing at 50+ plus would be a serious upgrade.

No talent in the skill position, awful OL and Daddy's boy as OC and Skins fans are lucky Donovan did as well as he did. He could have been knocked out in week 2.

Posted by: lotusxidriver | December 17, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, it's just not possible for all aging quarterbacks to walk gracefully into the sunset. Favre's year has been a complete disaster. I like McNabb, he's a class act, but he could easily have 20 int's this year with all the potential picks that have bounced off db's. It's time for both sides to move on.

I think it's still possible we get a decent pick for him. Behind a better O line he should have a couple of good years left. He would be an upgrade for a lot of teams.

Posted by: NYPDee | December 17, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I've see multiple reports that the 2011 4th rounder in the McNabb deal is conditional. What is it conditional on? If it's number of snaps or other performance metrics, this move may not turn out to be so dumb.

Anyone know the conditions?

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | December 17, 2010 6:04 PM

I thought I read somewhere (wapo perhaps) that the trade for Jamal Brown was conditional on the McNabb trade. The Saints would get whichever pick (3rd or 4th) that the skins did not have to give Philly. So either way we don't have a 3rd or 4th next year.

Posted by: skinswest | December 17, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | December 17, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

It was to be a 3rd if:

We won 9 games or
we made the playoffs or
McNabb made the pro bowl

If none of these things happened then Philly got 4th. So they are getting the 4th.

BUT...it never mattered anyway because the compensation due NO for Jammal Brown was always going to be whichever pick the Eagles did not get. So NO now gets our 4th.

And we in turn get a 6th or 7th from NO as well.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Found the answer to my own question. Hopefully he doesn't get the the Pro Bowl as the 12th alternate.

The 2011 conditional fourth-round pick that Washington traded to Philadelphia will go to a third-round pick if one of two conditions is met, according to league sources:

• McNabb goes to the Pro Bowl.

• McNabb plays in 70 percent of the Redskins' offensive plays and Washington wins nine games.

If either happens, the Eagles get the Redskins third-round pick in 2011 to go along with the second-round pick they got from Washington in the 2010 NFL draft. If not, it stays in the fourth round.


Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | December 17, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I mistyped. NO gets a 3rd from us and we get their 5th.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

if someone already said this, i apologize, but i don't have time to read all these comments made today.

I know many are pissed, but this is actually the happiest i've been in a while.

This gives me hope that the skins are finally starting over, finally rebuilding and that we are done with plugging holes on a sinking ship.

lots of the veterans on this team are going to be gone, and the youth movement can finally start.

if this is the case, then i fully expect/hope to see a team that may not show us many more wins than recent years, but it will show a hunger that has been missing in this city for a long time.

hey, i may be wrong, but we won't know this until 1 year from now when we see how shannahan deals with the offseason. he's made mistakes, but i'll excuse him of those mistakes if he truly is making the decision to rebuild.

I believe. LETS GO SKINS!!!

Posted by: hb_321 | December 17, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Nice post hb, well said and I concur.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 17, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Where to start where to start. I guess with the basics.

1. F U C K Mcnabb and his agent. Guy throws too many lame balls behind people, over their head, or at their feet.

2. If no body wants him, let him help teach a youngster next year. Something tells me AZ or MN will be willing to part with at least a little something something for him.

3. It would have been easy for Shanahan to play out the string w DMac. Now, at least we will see that Sexy Rexy is just as crappy. Besides, we may as well go 0-3 down the stretch to move up our pick.

4. News flash: the rest of the team knows how crappy he is playing. If they are getting jerked in and out of the roster for performance failure, it is only right that McNabb gets sat for his proven failures on the field... and those failures are NOT only in throws he makes... its also the wide open guys he fails to find while going to another receiver.

5. Redskins are flipping the roster... and they won't really be that much better next year. Better they admit McNabb = fail and get their Josh Freeman or Matty Ice or Sam Bradford on board sooner rather than later.

6. Shanahan gave McNabb every opportunity to prove him self. All he had to do was be better than mediocre. He failed on multiple levels of quarterbacking. Shanahan is going to demand performance, or he is going to get the next guy and give him a chance. Sooner or later, somebody will step up and not suck.

7. Deion is a moron. So is Boswell. I'm surprised that azz hat feinowitz and mr throw ST under the bus haven't piped up. F both of them, too.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has earned Cerratto status.

He came in here having been given a chance and has squandered any good faith that you offer a new guy.

Can Shanahan earn his way out of Cerratto-status? Sure. But until then he gets what he's earned.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Skins O line maybe the second worst in the NFL.

Receivers and running backs probably the worst. Art Monk, Gary Clark, Donny Warren and Joe Washington playing at 50+ plus would be a serious upgrade.

No talent in the skill position, awful OL and Daddy's boy as OC and Skins fans are lucky Donovan did as well as he did. He could have been knocked out in week 2.

Posted by: lotusxidriver | December 17, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I had this huge wall of text typed out ready to submit, but mama told me not to throw my pearls before swine.

bottom line:
Fake & Gay.

Posted by: WishboneJr | December 17, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

He came in here having been given a chance and has squandered any good faith that you offer a new guy.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 6:26 PM

I agree. He's dug a hole and is standing in it. Now he needs to get himself out. Maybe he'll get lucky and one of the backup QB's will show something in the next three games.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, c'mon now, Cerrato built up that status over a decade. Shanahan's only had about ten miserable months.

I think he can improve, but it's incredibly disheartening to see that things direectly managed by Shanny appear to be getting worse over time instead of better. That bodes ill.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 17, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, c'mon now, Cerrato built up that status over a decade. Shanahan's only had about ten miserable months.

I think he can improve, but it's incredibly disheartening to see that things direectly managed by Shanny appear to be getting worse over time instead of better. That bodes ill.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 17, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Don't be so short-sighted. Either AZ or Minny will part with a pick(s) for McNabb, because the Redskins can keep him on the roster until just before the start of the regular season.

The Cards or Vikes aren't going to want McNabb to join their team without having him in their training camp (and preferably, their OTAs). So they'll make a deal.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Well lookie here, an old fashioned double post. Hearkens back to the good ol' days on the blog, when life was so free and easy up here...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 17, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has earned Cerratto status.

He came in here having been given a chance and has squandered any good faith that you offer a new guy.

Can Shanahan earn his way out of Cerratto-status? Sure. But until then he gets what he's earned.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 6:26 PM

Shirley you jest. One year and you are going to compare MS to one of the people that put this team in the situation it is in?

Agree dude has made some mistakes, but to compare him to Vinny? WOW!

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 17, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I ain't giving up on Shanny that fast. I really lost some respect for him during his BS explantions after the Detroit benching, but I give him credit for admitting today on the radio that the McNabb trade was a mistake.

I also give him credit for finally shutting the door on Haynesworth.

For a long time now this team has needed someone to put EVERY player on notice that they had better perform or they're gone. And he's done that, with arguably the two biggest stars on this team, both of whom failed to live up to their resumes.

It's hard to argue with that approach.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I think the mistake Shanny made was in not calling a press conference to inform the media of his intentions to start Grossman and clearly explain why the decision was made. However.. it certainly makes for good press and blogging. I'm for the decision, they must see something or plan in mind.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 17, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

lots of the veterans on this team are going to be gone, and the youth movement can finally start.

Posted by: hb_321 | December 17, 2010 6:16 PM


LOL...that's rich, dude. F-ing rich. This team traded away 3 quality picks for McNabb and Jammal Brown--BOTH of whom have been colossal flops--and you're talking about a youth movement? Unless we get the luckiest streak in NFL history with undrafted rookies, this franchise is mired in mediocrity for another decade or more.

I mean, look around. This team just gave up 3 chances to start a "youth movement" for two one year rentals. Not only are we out of the picks, but we'll now have to replace those guys too.

We need to abort the whole damn thing. Get to our roots...regain our identity of smashmouth football and building a roster with character guys. Until then, it's lather, rinse, repeat on the bullsh*t...

Speaking of bullsh*t...Jenkins basically wrote a column giving Shanahan verbal felatio. It's a lock she's banging him...nothing else makes sense...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 6:26 PM

Shirley you jest. One year and you are going to compare MS to one of the people that put this team in the situation it is in?

Agree dude has made some mistakes, but to compare him to Vinny? WOW!

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 17, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse


This team is going from bad to worse.

The cupboard is dry on draft picks.

The roster is old.

We are patching together a starting roster from backups and journeymen.

The organization is in dysfunction.

Lockerroom morale is in the toilet.

Ridiculous public statements and handling of team situations that cause head-scratching and ridicule.

Am I missing something? All he needs is a weekly radio show and we've got Cerratto 2.0.

Now can Cerattohan dig himself out of this? Sure. But its going to get worse before it gets better...remember...we've got Rex Grossman starting on Sunday.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey, there's at least one person around here for whom McNabb's play has made him yearn for the halcyon days of Campbell.

If I'm McNabb, I'm wondering who to blame for this being even in the realm of possibility. Inconceivable!

Posted by: daggar | December 17, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has earned Cerratto status.

He came in here having been given a chance and has squandered any good faith that you offer a new guy.

Can Shanahan earn his way out of Cerratto-status? Sure. But until then he gets what he's earned.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 6:26 PM

In a way I see your point. Trading for McNabb was a huge miscalculation. The one thing I'd say is that if McNabb is as bad as we think, and won't be back in 2011, at least the Shanahan has cut the loss sooner than later. We won't go the Gibbs Burnell route. In a way this move may very well signal an approach that is move long term than short, which I know we are all for.

Posted by: TWISI | December 17, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with this move. I have a problem with sending away the 2nd and 3rd round pick for him.

As Redskins' "fans", people get caught up in the emotions and make McNabb a martyr. He was'nt playing well...period and neither was the rest of the team.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 17, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

These last 3 games are going to be mighty interesting.

Will they fold or put up a fight?

If they fold, Shanahan's lost the team and the re-building is going to be brutal. Absolutely nothing to keep. A complete makeover from the ground up would be needed.

If they put up a fight, they'll still need major changes but it won't be as bad.

Oy, who am I kidding? It's a complete mess of a team. Maybe 5-6 players worth keeping.

What a disaster.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Cerrattohan apologists:

Stop acting like Cerrattohan is handling this with such poise and class and hope.

Stop acting like he "inherited" McNabb and is now exercising the wisdom and foresight to cut his losses and start from scratch.

This McNabb thing is a BIGGER debacle than the AH signing, and it was Cerrattohan's call.

And if it wasn't Cerrattohan's call; if the owner foisted this on him; then Cerrattohan is the same kind of spineless pushover that the previous Cerratto was.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

He gambled that McNabb's feet and savvy would get them a few more wins than they deserve with an awful O line. He lost the bet. I don't think it was a bad gamble, given that DM made at least 15 plays this year that JC is completely incapable of ever making. But unfortunately his feet just aren't as quick anymore. So we lost a 2nd rounder, which really shouldn't devastate anyone, given the waste of 2nd rounders that is Vinny's legacy.

Posted by: NYPDee | December 17, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

They can certainly still have a youth movement. It isn't restricted to draft picks (or in the Redskins case, the lack of draft picks).

They can sign undrafted free agents, and younger cast-off players from other teams. A team like the Jets had Woodhead and did nothing with him; now he's tearing it up in New England.

The Redskins need to find players who have heart. They've gone the route of bringing in big splash known quantities, and what has that got them? Nothing.

"Some people try to find things in this game that don't exist but football is only two things - blocking and tackling." - Vincent T. Lombardi

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Now can Cerattohan dig himself out of this? Sure. But its going to get worse before it gets better...remember...we've got Rex Grossman starting on Sunday.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 6:56 PM


Agreed. I've been having recurring visions of the time Jeff George was getting dragged around the turf in Dallas like a deer carcas. Count on history repeating itself Sunday...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm no football expert by any means but I saw Cam Newton play about 9-10 games.

Terrific college QB, probably one of the top 3 or 4 of all time. Phenomenal runner for a guy 6-5. Quick and elusive and powerful.

But he's got a long way to go to play pro ball. He's only played one year and the passing attack of Auburn's was very vanilla. Very. Nothing pro-style in it at all.

If you draft him, he'll have a long way to go to be ready. More than the usual QB. Add at least a year.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 6:56 PM


Agreed. I've been having recurring visions of the time Jeff George was getting dragged around the turf in Dallas like a deer carcas. Count on history repeating itself Sunday...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I remember that. The sad part of it is that no Skins player stepped up to challenge the Cowboy guy dragging him. It's like they didn't even care.

I imagine a similar thing happening if/when Rexy gets dragged on the carpet in Jerryworld.

The guys will just stand around and say, "Eh".

And so would I...

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

TWISI...

I agree 100%...if you make a mistake, you move on. Brunell was done two years before Gibbs would admit it!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 17, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

They might as well sign Fig Newton, if they can. Since this O-line is still a couple of years away from being fixed, they're going to need a young QB who can RUN.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

So we lost a 2nd rounder, which really shouldn't devastate anyone, given the waste of 2nd rounders that is Vinny's legacy.

Posted by: NYPDee | December 17, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse


My point EXACTLY. Spot on. When you look at what is going on, the reaction is "Business as usual...just like when Vinny was running things."

Cerrattohan.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

TWISI...

I agree 100%...if you make a mistake, you move on. Brunell was done two years before Gibbs would admit it!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 17, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse


Gibbs 2.0 got this laughingstock of a franchise to the playoffs twice while babysitting Snyder and holding Cerratto's incompetence at bay.

To praise Cerrattohan for this move at the expense of Gibbs is just stupid beyond belief given where Cerrattohan has this team right now.


Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

What may be one of the more frightening scenarios is the Rex comes in and plays lights out for the next 3 games. And (gulp)gets the starting job next year. THAT my friends is as terrifying an idea as I can come up with. That Rex Grossman will be our opening day starter next year.

Sounds crazy, I know, but who knew #5 would come here and play his way out of a job by week 13?

Posted by: splitbill | December 17, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

But he's got a long way to go to play pro ball. He's only played one year and the passing attack of Auburn's was very vanilla. Very. Nothing pro-style in it at all.

If you draft him, he'll have a long way to go to be ready. More than the usual QB. Add at least a year.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 7:07 PM


Hmmmm, just like having a fresh lump of clay to mold, and form the way Shanny may want. Not saying that Neweton is his target, (Luck who is the "Bradford" of his eye) in this draft.

Posted by: TWISI | December 17, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

"Cerratohan".

Calm down and come in off the ledge.

They took a shot with McNabb. It didn't work out. They made a mistake. They are moving on, sooner rather than later.

Arm strength and escapability are not the two most required QB skills.

A superior NFL QB needs to be a) smart b) decisive c) accurate.

Arm strength and athleticism need merely be "good enough".

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

What may be one of the more frightening scenarios is the Rex comes in and plays lights out for the next 3 games. And (gulp)gets the starting job next year. THAT my friends is as terrifying an idea as I can come up with. That Rex Grossman will be our opening day starter next year.

Sounds crazy, I know, but who knew #5 would come here and play his way out of a job by week 13?

Posted by: splitbill | December 17, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse


Not as frightening as this very plausible scenario:

Rex Grossman gets knocked out of the game in the first quarter because he's an immobile stiff with no pocket-awareness.

DMac comes into the game and lights it.

At the end of the season he demands to be traded or released regardless of whether CErrattohan wants him back.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Best free agent we can get this offseason is Russ Grimm.

Posted by: priceisright | December 17, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

"Cerratohan".

Calm down and come in off the ledge.

They took a shot with McNabb. It didn't work out. They made a mistake. They are moving on, sooner rather than later.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse


Right.

And Cerratto took a shot with Zorn and it didn;t work out. He made a mistake and corrected it by bringing in Sherm Lewis. And we all tried to move on.

No big deal.

We all make mistakes.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

They can sign undrafted free agents, and younger cast-off players from other teams. A team like the Jets had Woodhead and did nothing with him; now he's tearing it up in New England.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 7:05 PM


Moves like Danny Woodhead and Brandon Banks only matter if you've got a solid team already in place...not when you're counting on them to carry your team. See how great a story Woodhead is if he doesn't have Tom Brady and Wes Welker there to shoulder the load...

This Brunell/McNabb comparison is laughable...Brunell was a somewhat decent QB simply because there was an O-line here, a solid defense, and a coach with a dedication to the run. If you put Brunell in this current incarnation of the Redskins, he wouldn't just be ineffective...he'd be dead. We would literally mourn the first NFL player to die on the field.

Put McNabb on the '05 Redskins, and we're not just talking playoffs...we're talking Super Bowl. Truth of the matter is, we'll probably not see how much McNabb has left in the tank until he goes elsewhere. I'd be willing to bet that if he goes somewhere like Arizona or even San Fran he'd be right back to posting somewhere between 85-90 QB rating, 20+ TDs and throw way south of the 15 picks he's got this year.

Ugh...the only thing more f-ed up than this situation is how much I'm letting it affect my mood...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Not as frightening as this very plausible scenario:

Rex Grossman gets knocked out of the game in the first quarter because he's an immobile stiff with no pocket-awareness.

DMac comes into the game and lights it.

At the end of the season he demands to be traded or released regardless of whether CErrattohan wants him back.

Posted by: p1funk
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Either way, I think the organizational ability of Skins brass to really $crew the pooch makes either one plausible. It's like bad ESPN interns are writing this script.

Posted by: splitbill | December 17, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Best free agent we can get this offseason is Russ Grimm.

Posted by: priceisright | December 17, 2010 7:27 PM


That price IS right.

I've been touting that since Gibbs re-retired. All this WCO stuff has set this franchise back and veered us off the course Gibbs set. Depressing how far from our roots we've gotten...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk
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Either way, I think the organizational ability of Skins brass to really $crew the pooch makes either one plausible. It's like bad ESPN interns are writing this script.

Posted by: splitbill | December 17, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

YOu know the real reason why ESPN canceled "Playmakers"?

They realized they could save beuacoup bucks on production costs, just cover the Redskins, and they'd get all the football drama they need.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I doubt Luck falls to the Redskins. Losing the last three will make that road a little easier to travel though. Problem is the teams already in front of them need QBs too, namely and most glaringly Cincinnati and to a lesser extent Buffalo and Carolina. The Bills and Panthers may actually think they have their QBs in McCoy and whatever that guy in Buffalo's name is and will not go QB in the top 5.

AZ, SFO, DEN, TEN and even Miami are all in the mix to suck as bad or worse than the Skins with a pretty glaring need for a QB. We own the reverse tie breaker with Tenn. Too bad Gano made the kick in OT. I jest, kind of.

I think at this juncture its very important for the Skins to lose the rest of the games down the stretch while still trying to play well. Rexy gives us a much better chance to achieve this outcome. Benching McNabb is a very smart move on many different levels.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

If I didn't know better, I'd swear that Dan Snyder only hired Mike Shanahan to scare the fans away.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 17, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

If I didn't know better, I'd swear that Dan Snyder only hired Mike Shanahan to scare the fans away.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 17, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse


I'm waitng to see how many empty seats there will be at FedEx on Jan 2 when Rex Grossman starts against the Gmen.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

*****
similar thinking -- we all saw Grossman's pocket presence vs DET -- its not a sure thing he makes it 3 games
******

fwiw, while the McNabb era here seems over, there is always the possibility of a twist ending, where Grossman winds up out of the game (injury, bad play) and McNabb pulls out a win. Because just when you think it is over around here ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 5:50 PM

Not as frightening as this very plausible scenario:

Rex Grossman gets knocked out of the game in the first quarter because he's an immobile stiff with no pocket-awareness.

DMac comes into the game and lights it.

At the end of the season he demands to be traded or released regardless of whether CErrattohan wants him back.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:27 PM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm waitng to see how many empty seats there will be at FedEx on Jan 2 when Rex Grossman starts against the Gmen.

Posted by: p1funk
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How many Jint fans will make an appearance? Could be a scene like the Stiller game with not many empty seats and lots of blue.

Posted by: splitbill | December 17, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Id like to know how many of you think/thought that DMac was the answer at QB over the next 1-3 or 2-5 years.

Like most if not all, I had high hopes. But I watch the games and as far as I'm concerned, he sucked and was holding a weak team even further back than need be.

Smart, decisive, accurate: For Dmac, not so much.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:27 PM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya z, but we are just naysaying on-the-ledge chirpers, right?

What Genius is doing is really brilliant and I just need to chill out.

Obviously Donovan McNabb is an inept QB and he's ruining Genius Jrs.'s brilliant system.

That will become evident on Sunday when Rex Grossman - a guy who knows Genius Jr.'s system - takes the field and shows us all just exactly how bad a QB McNabb really is...we'll all get to see for ourselves that the big problem with this team has been McNabb's inability to run it...

...we'll see...

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm waitng to see how many empty seats there will be at FedEx on Jan 2 when Rex Grossman starts against the Gmen.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, especially with NY expected to rest their starters rather than risk injury going into the post-season, while the Redskins audition longsnappers and other practice squad fodder for the off-season. I sincerely hope nobody goes anywhere near Landover for such a truly meaningless game.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 17, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse


We need to abort the whole damn thing. Get to our roots...regain our identity of smashmouth football and building a roster with character guys. Until then, it's lather, rinse, repeat on the bullsh*t...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 6:53 PM |
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agree in full

brown, have you been drinking ? this doesn't sound like you.

Posted by: hessone | December 17, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Not as frightening as this very plausible scenario:

Rex Grossman gets knocked out of the game in the first quarter because he's an immobile stiff with no pocket-awareness.

DMac comes into the game and lights it.

At the end of the season he demands to be traded or released regardless of whether CErrattohan wants him back.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:27 PM

You're embarrassing yourself. Grossman and Beck would have to get KO'ed because McNabb will be inactive/3rd QB.

McNabb is that FORMER hot chick that you've always partially had your eye on and suddenly for whatever reason she becomes available and you do everything possible (2nd & 4th RD picks) to have her. Then all of a sudden you realize why she was available and instead of carrying on the charade you dump her.

I was against the trade and was very vocal when we traded for him but since he was here I was hoping that he would elevate this talentless roster...He hasn't and now we can move on.

The Cerrattohan is pabrain-esque

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

So who is going to be in the market for our sucky crappy inept QB that's making 15 mill next season???

I guess the main targets are still Minny and AZ.

With Childress gone, though, Minny's not the great destination it once was for McNabb, though if the same coordinators are around and they are running the same offense, then it could work well. Pressure is on Minny b/c their roster is aging quickly, so maybe they reach for McNabb.

AZ needs to do something pronto with its QB situation b/c of Larry Fitzgerald. Apparently, he can opt out of his contract after 2011. Another season of Anderson/Skelton/Hall would do just that. AZ has got to be desperate to keep Larry around for a while and giving him a deep-ball passer like McNabb to work with may be just the salve. Also, looking at how crappy the NFC West is, the Cards have to believe that if they can just get a QB with half the mojo that Kurt Warner had, then they are back in the playoffs.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

We need to abort the whole damn thing. Get to our roots...regain our identity of smashmouth football and building a roster with character guys. Until then, it's lather, rinse, repeat on the bullsh*t...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 6:53 PM |

starting with VJax, right?

Dude, you're as moody and bi-polar as a 13 yr old emo/goth chick that hangs out at Hot Topic.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

You're embarrassing yourself. Grossman and Beck would have to get KO'ed because McNabb will be inactive/3rd QB.

McNabb is that FORMER hot chick that you've always partially had your eye on and suddenly for whatever reason she becomes available and you do everything possible (2nd & 4th RD picks) to have her. Then all of a sudden you realize why she was available and instead of carrying on the charade you dump her.

I was against the trade and was very vocal when we traded for him but since he was here I was hoping that he would elevate this talentless roster...He hasn't and now we can move on.

The Cerrattohan is pabrain-esque

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010

Diesel, you truly have morphed in to Larry Michael. You actually believe Rex Grossman gives this team a better chance to win this week. UNBELIEVABLE!

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | December 17, 2010 7:21 PM |

fwiw, while the McNabb era here seems over, there is always the possibility of a twist ending, where ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 5:50 PM |

It could be a twist ending or a twisi ending but either way it is pretty pretty lame.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I was against the trade and was very vocal when we traded for him but since he was here ...

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 7:54 PM |

Dude - you really nailed it. Congrats on having such a high football IQ.

signed,

Chia_Pet

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

How many Jint fans will make an appearance? Could be a scene like the Stiller game with not many empty seats and lots of blue.

Posted by: splitbill | December 17, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Sat through a game like that last season -- where Zorn introduced the swinging gate play (twice!) into Redskin lore. It was December 21st -- a night game against the Gnats -- and the last time they visited FEDEX Field.

What a debacle!

You will recall that after a season's worth of disappointment, futility and disrespect from all sides -- the Zen Man finally snapped -- and did the only thing he was still allowed to do -- that is, call a play for the special teams -- and so I think he just said, F it.

And even after someone called a timeout and presumably asked him to think a little longer about that play, he still decided to call it again.

Don't know if they showed it on TV, but I saw it from where I sat in that cold and virtually empty stadium -- Zorn looked directly at the owner's box -- and nodded a silent greeting to Dan Snyder and his minions.

And even the remaining Giants fans who basically "owned" the stadium by that point just looked on in sad amazement -- too embarrassed (for us) to even bother trying to cheer about it or rub it in.

As bad as that moment was, who would have ever thought we could sink even lower this season?

Posted by: Vic1 | December 17, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Let me be clear: I think Rex is gonna suck. But at least they admitted Dmac was not the answer, and are going to find out if they need a starter and a back up in the off season.

It wouldn't surprise me if there is a very tight leash on Rexy and we see Beck. Both Shanny's supposedly really like him.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm waitng to see how many empty seats there will be at FedEx on Jan 2 when Rex Grossman starts against the Gmen.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:40 PM


Dude, no chance Rex lives that long...my guess is that the guy who starts for us at QB that day isn't on the roster yet...

Diesel, the only thing moody and bipolar is the team we root for. Shanahan was so sure about DMac being his guy that he sent two premium draft choices to a division rival. Now not even a full season into that stroke of genius, he's the one pulling the plug on his own plan. So if Shanahan can't stick to the script and believe in his own plan, then why the hell should I?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is that FORMER hot chick that you've always partially had your eye on and suddenly for whatever reason she becomes available and you do everything possible (2nd & 4th RD picks) to have her. Then all of a sudden you realize why she was available and instead of carrying on the charade you dump her.

The Cerrattohan is pabrain-esque

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010

Well put on both points, Diesel. Great, on-point imagery.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm no football expert by any means but I saw Cam Newton play about 9-10 games.

Terrific college QB, probably one of the top 3 or 4 of all time. Phenomenal runner for a guy 6-5. Quick and elusive and powerful.

But he's got a long way to go to play pro ball. He's only played one year and the passing attack of Auburn's was very vanilla. Very. Nothing pro-style in it at all.

If you draft him, he'll have a long way to go to be ready. More than the usual QB. Add at least a year.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2010 7:07 PM

Hmmmm, as I read this, sipping my tumbler of Blanton's, I couldn't help but think, "the Devin Thomas of QBs"?

Posted by: HokiesSkins | December 17, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is that FORMER hot chick that you've always partially had your eye on and suddenly for whatever reason she becomes available and you do everything possible (2nd & 4th RD picks) to have her. Then all of a sudden you realize why she was available and instead of carrying on the charade you dump her.

I was against the trade and was very vocal when we traded for him but since he was here I was hoping that he would elevate this talentless roster...He hasn't and now we can move on.

The Cerrattohan is pabrain-esque

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse


That's right, we move on. No biggie. We made a mistake and move on.

We tried to play AH at nose tackle and didn't move him at the trade deadline. Now we cut him and get nothing for him. We made a mistake. We move on.

We made this move to the 3-4 with 4-3 personnel. 32 ranked defense. No biggie. We made a mistake. We move on.

We traded picks to get McNabb. We played him 13 games and he's done. In between we gave him a contract extension and increased his salary. We made a mistake. No biggie. We move on.

Shanahan in Year 1 is Cerratto-esque.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm, as I read this, sipping my tumbler of Blanton's, I couldn't help but think, "the Devin Thomas of QBs"?

Posted by: HokiesSkins | December 17, 2010 8:12 PM

Gayest image of the day: "sipping my tumbler of Blanton's." How can you bring yourself to write that?

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Let me be clear: I think Rex is gonna suck. But at least they admitted Dmac was not the answer, and are going to find out if they need a starter and a back up in the off season.

It wouldn't surprise me if there is a very tight leash on Rexy and we see Beck. Both Shanny's supposedly really like him.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December

This QB stuff is really getting old. For the past 15 years we've run every QB this franchise has had out of town. The next on, whether draft pick or FA, will meet the same fate. Sooner or later folks will realize that the QB isn't the issue.

I'm preparing myself for a serious beatdown on Sunday. Rat Shanahan is bordering Zoron right about now.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan in Year 1 is Cerratto-esque.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

As much as it pains me to say it, Shanahan could be even worse than Cerratto.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 17, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree with brownwood. This team needs a roster of character guys. Players who have heart, if not big-time talent and names.

The Patriots have bene doing it that way for years. Even Tom Brady, though he's a star now, was a 6th round nobody at the beginning.

Forget about the big FA signings. Draft, bring in undrafted free agents, and lower priced FAs from other teams.

Every player except Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo and Laron Landry should be on the proverbial bubble.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Gayest image of the day: "sipping my tumbler of Blanton's." How can you bring yourself to write that?

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 8:16 PM |

Feckin homophobe. How can you bring yourself to write that?

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Gayest image of the day: "sipping my tumbler of Blanton's." How can you bring yourself to write that?

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 8:16 PM

Just painting a picture. What a jack a$$.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | December 17, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Now not even a full season into that stroke of genius, he's the one pulling the plug on his own plan. So if Shanahan can't stick to the script and believe in his own plan, then why the hell should I?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010

EXCELLENT post!

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, you truly have morphed in to Larry Michael. You actually believe Rex Grossman gives this team a better chance to win this week. UNBELIEVABLE!

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 8:01 PM

Never said that Grossman gives us a better chance to win. What we know is that that we're 5-8 and have lost 5 out of the last 6 with McNabb. I know Grossman has a better grasp of the Offense but I'm not sure he has the talent for it to translate to the field.

McNabb deserves to see the bench but the only failure I see in this decision is that we don't have a under 24 prospect to throw in there. That's on Cerrato.

I'm sorry if I don't have a handful of sand in my vagina or that I don't dine on lemons and come here angry or bitter. I'd like to think that I'm objective and I'm willing to give the current regime more than 10 months.

Besides most of you seem to have enjoyed the last 10+ years and would like to replicate that moving forward while playing musical chairs with coaches.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I actually liked the "sipping my tumbler of Blanton's."

It has a literary quality to it.

Now if he had added that he was "sitting in his library, wearing a smoking jacket and a pair of lambskin slippers," then I'd say that was over-the-top.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I agree with brownwood. This team needs a roster of character guys. Players who have heart, if not big-time talent and names.

The Patriots have bene doing it that way for years. ...

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 8:21 PM |

Like when they signed "character guy" Randy Moss?

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Like when they signed "character guy" Randy Moss?

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 8:28 PM |
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Hey, ya gotta give Belicheat credit: He used Moss for all he worth, then tossed him aside like a used condom when he was done with him.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Never said that Grossman gives us a better chance to win. What we know is that that we're 5-8 and have lost 5 out of the last 6 with McNabb. I know Grossman has a better grasp of the Offense but I'm not sure he has the talent for it to translate to the field.

McNabb deserves to see the bench but the only failure I see in this decision is that we don't have a under 24 prospect to throw in there. That's on Cerrato.

I'm sorry if I don't have a handful of sand in my vagina or that I don't dine on lemons and come here angry or bitter. I'd like to think that I'm objective and I'm willing to give the current regime more than 10 months.

Besides most of you seem to have enjoyed the last 10+ years and would like to replicate that moving forward while playing musical chairs with coaches.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 8:25 PM

That is the conundrum we face. While I don't think benching McNabb was the correct decision because a) it eliminates any trade value he might have still had and b) it means Rexy gets the start, I also don't think that we should go out a get a new coach. I agree Diesel that we have done that far too much over the past 10 years.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | December 17, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

EXCELLENT post!

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 8:24 PM |

Let me fix that for you:

EXCELLENT post, chameleon boy!

It wasn't that long ago that he was telling posters on RI to STFU when they posted something the slighest bit critical of MS.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

True brownwood26.


I understand times and coaches change and I'm open to that change. But this bull Shanahan is peddling is not change. Every year the daisies like the Skins bloom in the spring and die in the fall. Its no coincidence that the Skins play like a bunch daisies too.
This is f'in crazy. I don't even want to watch the Cowgirls game.
I can live with the team sucking but showing improvement. This S is a debacle and the same soap opera we've seen for years.
Shanny isn't a Redskin and hasn't bought into our culture, its a job to this guy and that's ok. But a true Redskin would have known not to bring in Galloway or trade picks for McNabb.

Posted by: priceisright | December 17, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I'll be the first to admit that I may have been wrong. I told all Eagles fans they were crazy to let McNabb go and I said wait and see.

Well I've seen.........It's not pretty. I think All of you maybe need to step back and realize that maybe just maybe.........

Mike Shanahan knows more about football than you do!

Posted by: skins91r | December 17, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Now not even a full season into that stroke of genius, he's the one pulling the plug on his own plan. So if Shanahan can't stick to the script and believe in his own plan, then why the hell should I?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010

So compound a mistake by keeping said mistake around for another year or two?

Now that would be an EGO move.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I think the Shanahans believed that McNabb had enough veteran experience to overcome whatever shortcomings of talent we already had and could make it respectable until they could add their own hand picked bunch.
It didn't happen. Partly because of McNabb, partly the O-line play, partly injuries and partly because of the referees zest to throw the flag every time Banks has a return over 20 yds and an equal amount of zest to overlook Orakpo getting held on pretty much every pass play.

Posted by: westjr88 | December 17, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is that FORMER hot chick that you've always partially had your eye on and suddenly for whatever reason she becomes available and you do everything possible (2nd & 4th RD picks) to have her. Then all of a sudden you realize why she was available and instead of carrying on the charade you dump her.

I was against the trade and was very vocal when we traded for him but since he was here I was hoping that he would elevate this talentless roster...He hasn't and now we can move on.

The Cerrattohan is pabrain-esque

Posted by: Diesel44

That is so true ... and it reminds me I need to make a call ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 8:25 PM

I got ya Diesel. While I'm extremely disappointed in Shanny's Josh McDaniels impersonation, I'm not asking for him to be fired (yet). I thoroughly enjoyed 2 of the past 10 years as well.

The QB stuff is on Shanny. He wanted DM. His young QB on the roster IS John Beck. He put 30 new players on this roster so, yeah, he owns it. If we get destoyed by DallA$$ on Sunday, SIHT will hit the fan.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

*****
similar thinking -- we all saw Grossman's pocket presence vs DET -- its not a sure thing he makes it 3 games
******

fwiw, while the McNabb era here seems over, there is always the possibility of a twist ending, where Grossman winds up out of the game (injury, bad play) and McNabb pulls out a win. Because just when you think it is over around here ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 5:50 PM

Not as frightening as this very plausible scenario:

Rex Grossman gets knocked out of the game in the first quarter because he's an immobile stiff with no pocket-awareness.

DMac comes into the game and lights it.

At the end of the season he demands to be traded or released regardless of whether CErrattohan wants him back.

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:27 PM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Yo BLOGGERS:
Rather than playing follow the leader and simply running with the crap you hear on here you might try actually trying to comprehend the whole story and getting ALL of the facts!

McNabb is the No.3 QB for the rest of the season. If Grossman goes down then Beck will get the ball.

Your scenario is impossible UNLESS both Grossman and Beck both go down. Won't happen b/c we will revert to the run on every down before that ever happens.

Its rebuilding time in DC and we are better off without washed up vets. It may take a decade, but I'm approaching 40 and I was genuinely concerned that I would never see another Redskins SB in my lifetime. At least with the possibility of a REAL rebuilding effort looming in our near future I can once again have hope!

HTTR!!!

Posted by: ZornInMySide | December 17, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh man. The wierdos come out at night.

I said it before, I don't care who the QB is, just win.

Objectively, other than yards, McNabb's numbers have been pretty bad.

How many of those yards are in garbage time? Like when the team is down by 35 in the 2nd quarter.

Let's see what Grossman can do, and hopefully Torain has a huge day.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

So compound a mistake by keeping said mistake around for another year or two?

Now that would be an EGO move.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 8:40 PM |

As far as deep-sixing McN, that had to be done. Snyder can't be happy looking at a team that has been in virtual disarray ever since Gibbs left, with no signs at all for improvement. The fans are getting ever more restless, starting to leave in droves. Can this be the beginning of the end of the cash cow that Snyder has been milking lo these last 10 yrs? TBT, it wouldn't surprise me if he fired MS at the end of the season and brought in a guy like the brother of Balt's HC who used to be a NFL QB and has turned Stanford around. And some brainiac might even figure out how to get his boy Andy in the next draft so he would be coming with. Jim and John would only be separated by 35 mi of I95 so they could make social calls on each other from time to time if they wanted to.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

While I don't think benching McNabb was the correct decision because a) it eliminates any trade value he might have still had ....

Posted by: HokiesSkins | December 17, 2010 8:32 PM

McNabb's trade value has nothing to do with whether he plays in the last three games or sits on the bench. His trade value depends on his play on the field in the previous 13 games. Simple fact is that NO OTHER TEAM offered to trade for him and the Redskins way overpaid (see Peter King's post today). Now, he has gone out and had his worst season since he was a rookie. He has no trade value.

No team in the league will pencil him in as a starter. He will be a veteran backup. And you know what? He would be a veteran backup even if he were to start the last three games.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Now not even a full season into that stroke of genius, he's the one pulling the plug on his own plan. So if Shanahan can't stick to the script and believe in his own plan, then why the hell should I?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 17, 2010

Pretty much.

A few weeks back, I started heavy into criticism of Shanahan in my ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES. It was all leading to the conclusion that whatever the mgmt plan was -- it has failed.

By giving up on McNabb, Shanahan is waiving the white flag.

So to your question, I don't know why you should believe in Shanahan unless he does something different. Me, I recommended he step out of the HC job and hire someone else. It'll take something of that magnitude to regain the confidence of a lot of fans.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

EXCELLENT post!

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 8:24 PM |

Let me fix that for you:

EXCELLENT post, chameleon boy!

It wasn't that long ago that he was telling posters on RI to STFU when they posted something the slighest bit critical of MS.


Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010

No need to fix it. He's just stating the obvious.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

You know, I respect little Shanny.

He saw that McNabb was stinking up the joint early, and it seemed that he was pushing for a change.

But no...It's unthinkable to bench DONOVAN MCNABB.

Little Shanny has balls and wants results. I like this guy.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

No team in the league will pencil him in as a starter. He will be a veteran backup. And you know what? He would be a veteran backup even if he were to start the last three games.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure AZ, Carolina or Minn. would right now.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reported that McNabb will 2nd string this week and 3rd string in final 2 weeks.

Posted by: westjr88 | December 17, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

But no...It's unthinkable to bench DONOVAN MCNABB.

Little Shanny has balls and wants results. I like this guy.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010

Its not the benching of DM that's the issue. Its that lil' Shanny has the balls to replace him with Rex Grossman. Let's face it, we aren't talking Phillip Rivers replacing Drew Brees now.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

But no...It's unthinkable to bench DONOVAN MCNABB.

Little Shanny has balls and wants results. I like this guy.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010

Its not the benching of DM that's the issue. Its that lil' Shanny has the balls to replace him with Rex Grossman. Let's face it, we aren't talking Phillip Rivers replacing Drew Brees now.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Can't be any worse than what we're getting from McNabb.

The Skins are going to run it a ton on Sunday, and maybe use Banksy in the wildcat again.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

A few weeks back, I started heavy into criticism of Shanahan in my ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES. It was all leading to the conclusion that whatever the mgmt plan was -- it has failed.

By giving up on McNabb, Shanahan is waiving the white flag.

So to your question, I don't know why you should believe in Shanahan unless he does something different. Me, I recommended he step out of the HC job and hire someone else. It'll take something of that magnitude to regain the confidence of a lot of fans.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 9:08 PM |

1. It was all leading to the conclusion that whatever the mgmt plan was -- it has failed. Dude - you have genius level FB IQ, just like D44.

2. Me, I recommended he step out of the HC job and hire someone else. WTF? MS would step down and then hire someone to replace him as HC? If that ever came the least bit close to happening, Snyder would be on him like a cheap cologne and MS would be out the door in a NY min.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

You know, I respect little Shanny.

He saw that McNabb was stinking up the joint early, and it seemed that he was pushing for a change.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 9:13 PM |

Dude - you would have to be Stevie Wonder/Ray Charles blind to not see what you are talking about.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Shanny is sending a message that thirtysomething roster eaters are on the bubble and if players want to stay here next year they'd better play like demons possessed the last three games.

If this move is the opening salvo in a serious clean-house-and-rebuild of this disgraced franchise, a.k.a. getting-younger- in-a-hurry let me be the first to applaud.

I'm still VERY skeptical however. Meaning I think it may be more a case of Shannahan acting bizarrely.

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 17, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure AZ, Carolina or Minn. would right now.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 9:16 PM

Hardly. Carolina and Minn are both getting new coaches. They're not going to tie their futures to a has-been. Arizona is not going to want him as a one- or two-year place holder after he screwed the pooch here in DC. They'll draft a QB.

McNabb is damaged goods. This is what Peter King wrote: "Two smart quarterback men have turned thumbs-down on McNabb in the span of nine months. You can defend McNabb all you want, and Lord knows he has his legions of defenders out there, but Reid and Shanahan are in the business of winning football games. Both have been to Super Bowls. Shanahan's won two of them. And both said they thought they could do better than McNabb."

At this point he'll have to settle to be a backup and hope that the starter goes down and he gets a chance at a comeback.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 17, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

p1funk- Fridge being forced into a buy out.

Mike Leach, Mike Locksley, Tyrone Willingham As Possible Head Coaches For Maryland.

So much for being named the ACC Coach of the Year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Shanny is sending a message that thirtysomething roster eaters are on the bubble and if players want to stay here next year they'd better play like demons possessed the last three games.

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 17, 2010 9:29 PM |

Speaking of messages sent, Shanny might be getting one himself from Danny about getting his shti together or else ...

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Can't be any worse than what we're getting from McNabb.

The Skins are going to run it a ton on Sunday, and maybe use Banksy in the wildcat again.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010

Boy o boy.....
This whole blame the QB stuff is soooo old. We've had 15 years of this. When are gonna realize that all of this isn't on the QB?

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Boy o boy.....
This whole blame the QB stuff is soooo old. We've had 15 years of this. When are gonna realize that all of this isn't on the QB?

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 9:35 PM |

Probably never. Haters need hatees. It's that simple.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Shanny is sending a message that thirtysomething roster eaters are on the bubble and if players want to stay here next year they'd better play like demons possessed the last three games.

If this move is the opening salvo in a serious clean-house-and-rebuild of this disgraced franchise, a.k.a. getting-younger- in-a-hurry let me be the first to applaud.

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 17, 2010

Due, he brought in most of the aging vets. 30 of the 53 players on the roster are new players that he signed.

It would be fair to say clean house part 2.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

So much for being named the ACC Coach of the Year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 9:31 PM |

TBT, it ain't the same as being named SEC Coach of the Year. It's more like being named MD div 4A Coach of the Year.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

If this move is the opening salvo in a serious clean-house-and-rebuild of this disgraced franchise, a.k.a. getting-younger- in-a-hurry let me be the first to applaud.

Its not the opening salvo... its just the most recent and the most glaring example.

We may as well start talking about the relative merits of the QBs in the draft.

And: Given his predraft of Cutler behavior, his choice will be quite a shock and will not be expected. Shanahan publicly ignored Cutler prior to choosing him, which is to say he didn't have him in for a pre draft visit/dinner, he didn't go do a private work out, nothing.

Despite last off season's marketing, this was always going to be a rebuild project. After the last ten years and the state of the cupboards upon Shanny's arrival, it needed to be. Mcnabb was always going to be a bridge to the Next QB. Unfortunately for all concerned, the bridge let go far too early. So for now, we have to drive around.

I would noto surprise me if Santanna Moss was one of the players who has but three games remaining as a Redskin. He didn't do McNabb any favors with his prolific drops when McNabb actually managed to hit him in his hands.

MK12 and AA13 will be the starters next year.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Its not the benching of DM that's the issue. Its that lil' Shanny has the balls to replace him with Rex Grossman. Let's face it, we aren't talking Phillip Rivers replacing Drew Brees now.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Dude, I like what you post even when we don't agree. But you're talking as if we've got something on the line here in terms of results for this season. And…we don't. We're not trying to win the next three to get to the postseason. If we were, I'd agree with you. But this isn't really a "which one is our foundation" decision. I think Shannys just want to know if he can produce in this system with these players at this time.

We're acknowledging that McNabb isn't cutting it. Can you argue with that while using stats that actually point towards winning?

It's funny that Kurt Warner can be used to illustrate two points. 1) The Giants weren't nuts for letting him go, he wasn't performing for them. Someone else was willing to give him a chance. Let's hope that same someone likes McNabb's chances.

2) Okay, it doesn't quite translate that Rex with the Skins=Warner with the Cards. But here's a quarterback with past success that didn't catch on with his next team. Maybe Gannon is a better example. Or (in the extreme) look at the Farve turnover machine and what it did last season…meh, it ended on an interception.

But again, would that ruin our season at this point? And don't give me that "Dallas Week" crap, that rivalry is a shadow of its formal self, not that I want to lose to those pukes.

Sometimes big decisions can be boiled down to 2 approaches: pragmatism vs. faith. The NFL is a "show me now" league when it comes to veterans, and DM hasn't shown us that he fits in this equation. One, or both, of the Shannys have lost faith.

When an equation doesn't work, you need to change one of the variables.

That change doesn't mean it balances the equation, but it does provide useful date. There's nothing on the line this year at this point, but the next few years demand formula.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 17, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

useful "data", dammit.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 17, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Due, he brought in most of the aging vets. 30 of the 53 players on the roster are new players that he signed.

It would be fair to say clean house part 2.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 9:43 PM

This is why I'm disappointed in you. Shanahan was given a 4-12 roster and had the the worst FA class in the history of FA and we had only a few picks to reshape this roster. Most of those guys are stop gaps while he we are now FORTY PLUS (40+) million under a possible salary cap going into next season. That's no small task and given time and a plan when it comes to FA and the draft and we'll have a contender going into 2013.

If not then we'll have a new coach and nothing will have changed. I know what I'm rooting for...Are You In?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry if I don't have a handful of sand in my vagina or that I don't dine on lemons and come here angry or bitter. I'd like to think that I'm objective and I'm willing to give the current regime more than 10 months.

Besides most of you seem to have enjoyed the last 10+ years and would like to replicate that moving forward while playing musical chairs with coaches.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 8:25 PM


Diesel, how in the world can you be calm and rational? Don't you know this is the Internet?!

In all seriousness, the 10 pre-Shanahan/Allen years of Snyder don't count. Step one in being a rational fan (if one so chooses, heh) is to wrap one's head around the fact that all of the insanity that happened with the franchise prior to Shanahan & Allen taking the reigns is not relevant, except in that the cumulative poor personnel decisions and poor culture in which those years resulted is a hurdle to be overcome.

But from a fan frustration level, it's not relevant. It FEELS relevant in that this season gets emotionally tacked on to all of those previous years, but you have to separate mentally those years from this year. The clock was reset when Shanahan & Allen were hired.

So, year one's been rough, but it was always going to be rough. Mistakes were made, but that was always going to happen. This year has been about seeing which pieces fit and which don't. You can't have a trial and error process without error.

Winning teams consist of players who perform well and are accountable to their teammates and coaches. Players under Shanahan who don't perform well either get benched or cut.

Leaders get paid to make hard and sometimes unpopular decisions. Lots of times, an unpopular decision is unpopular because the populace is not privy to all of the information and rationale on which the decision was based. Odds are, that's the case with the McNabb benching.

Will Shanahan & Allen turn things around for the Redskins? I don't know. I hope so, for all our sakes. But I do know that by not shrugging their shoulders at mediocrity, they're moving things in the right direction.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Enough about QB's, lets talk about how much of a badaSS Ryan Torain is.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Nice post Romolongballs. And I'd argue that having Rexy start the final three accomplishes much more going forward than staying with McNabb. We get to see what Rexy can do. Worst case, he actually looks ok, can serve as the bridge Mcnabb was meant to be, and we don't have to reach in the 1st to get a franchise QB. At least we'll find out.

Better case, Redskins lose all three games but he looks ok, proves he knows the offense, and can be a viable backup or serve as a place holder while "The Kid" slowly takes the reigns.

This team isn't going to win anything of real import with McNabb as QB.

And if you do bring in a 1st round stud, you don't want McNabb around desperately trying to hold onto the job. You want a guy who knows his value is as a placeholder and mentor to The Kid.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Its not the benching of DM that's the issue. Its that lil' Shanny has the balls to replace him with Rex Grossman.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2010 9:18 PM |

Don't think it is a "balls" issue.

1. The Skins season is over.

2. Let's see how good a draft position we can get to by shelfing McN and using two suck-hard QBs in his place to max the chances of losing, under the pretense that we're "interested in seeing what the other two QBs can do".

So it's more of a "heh, heh" deal than a "dick-standing contest" deal

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Besides, when you think about it, EVERY SINGLE MOVE this year has pointed towards an eval/rebuild year this year except for "Future is Now" and the McNabb signing. Dock vs Lichtenblucher eval, vet WR vs practice squad rookies, PS running backs vs rookie/UFAs, DLinemen playing LB…it goes on and on. Punters, kicker, cats and dogs living together, MASS HYSTERIA!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 17, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Enough about QB's, lets talk about how much of a badaSS Ryan Torain is.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 17, 2010 10:07 PM |

Is he mentioned in Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song?

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

But I do know that by not shrugging their shoulders at mediocrity, they're moving things in the right direction.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2010 10:04 PM |

But it would have been nice if they could have had the perspicacity to see from the get-go that it was mediocrity and not throw two valuable draft picks at it.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Sally Jenkins article was spot on. As for where she lives, when did that have to do with being a real fan. I live 500 miles from the stadium and am more of a fan than what I see on this blog.

Is Rex the future, prob. not. But Mcnabb has just not made good decisions in winable games. Jason Reid seemed more concerned about MC Nabb than the skins.

WE ARE 5-8 FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, ANDY REID AND SHANNY BOTH HAVE SEEN SOMETHING, I WILL TRUST THEIR PERSPECTIVE OVER YOU HATERS AND JASON REID WHO (does anyone know how he is qualified).

Signed,
A REAL fan.
Go to Balitmore sell outs, or for that matter go to Dallas.

Posted by: rodskin | December 17, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

And I'd argue that having Rexy start the final three accomplishes much more going forward than staying with McNabb.

This team isn't going to win anything of real import with McNabb as QB.

And if you do bring in a 1st round stud, you don't want McNabb around desperately trying to hold onto the job. You want a guy who knows his value is as a placeholder and mentor to The Kid.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Yup. I don't care at this point if McNabb works better for some other team. I cared at Easter 2010 but I can't change that now. He doesn't work for this team at this time.

Rex as a placeholder might work. Let's see.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 17, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

The benching of McN is just the latest episode in a long string of poor personnel decisions that stretch far back:

1. McN
2. AH
3. the Three Amigo receiver busts taken in the 2008 2nd round, leaving DJax on the table
4. Jason Taylor
5. Brandon Lloyd
6. Adam Archuleta
7. Jason Campbell

This just covers Gibbs 2.0 forward. The list goes on and on. I guess you could throw in duds like Bruce Smith, Dana Stubblefield and others.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

But it would have been nice if they could have had the perspicacity to see from the get-go that it was mediocrity and not throw two valuable draft picks at it.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 10:24 PM


Sure, but that's why I said, "Mistakes were made, but that was always going to happen. This year has been about seeing which pieces fit and which don't. You can't have a trial and error process without error."

Their biggest mistake was made at the very start of their tenure. Not at all an uncommon place to make mistakes.

But to be fair, it's not as if they were spending profligately on every free agent who came down the pike. Thinking back to the offseason, there were numerous free agents who "insiders" said had the Redskins' interest, only to have it turn out that the Skins never made a move.

You have to believe in a lot of those instances, the "insiders" whispering in reporters' ears were the players' agents, trying to beef up the market value of their clients by tying them to the Redskins' famously loose purse strings.

Except, those purse strings suddenly got a lot tighter with the new regime in charge.

So the McNabb signing wasn't the continuation of Snyder/Cerrato-era high-stakes fantasy football. It was a coach and a GM looking for an experienced player to help lead the way for the younger players they expected to bring in over the course of a few seasons. But the experienced player turned out not to be quite the boon they'd calculated him to be.

And now here we are.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

In all seriousness, the 10 pre-Shanahan/Allen years of Snyder don't count. Step one in being a rational fan (if one so chooses, heh) is to wrap one's head around the fact that all of the insanity that happened with the franchise prior to Shanahan & Allen taking the reigns is not relevant, except in that the cumulative poor personnel decisions and poor culture in which those years resulted is a hurdle to be overcome.

But from a fan frustration level, it's not relevant. It FEELS relevant in that this season gets emotionally tacked on to all of those previous years, but you have to separate mentally those years from this year. The clock was reset when Shanahan & Allen were hired.

So, year one's been rough, but it was always going to be rough. Mistakes were made, but that was always going to happen. This year has been about seeing which pieces fit and which don't. You can't have a trial and error process without error.

Winning teams consist of players who perform well and are accountable to their teammates and coaches. Players under Shanahan who don't perform well either get benched or cut.

Leaders get paid to make hard and sometimes unpopular decisions. Lots of times, an unpopular decision is unpopular because the populace is not privy to all of the information and rationale on which the decision was based. Odds are, that's the case with the McNabb benching.

Will Shanahan & Allen turn things around for the Redskins? I don't know. I hope so, for all our sakes. But I do know that by not shrugging their shoulders at mediocrity, they're moving things in the right direction.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Agreed.

To the many posters caught in a pattern of cynicism and freak outs…Please stop correlating previous years of ineptitude with this one, and start thinking of them as causal and write them off.

The trade for McNabb wasn't the right thing to do, right now, for this team, in hindsight. What did you think at the time?

I was a "Campbell Apologist" and even I thought it was a shrewd move.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 17, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

But to be fair, it's not as if they were spending profligately on every free agent who came down the pike. Thinking back to the offseason, there were numerous free agents who "insiders" said had the Redskins' interest, only to have it turn out that the Skins never made a move.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2010 10:41 PM

There were a lot of free agents that a lot of people up here were ready to throw the pocketbook at, too, not knowing the outcome and ramifications of the CBA negotiations.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 17, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 17, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

There were a lot of free agents that a lot of people up here were ready to throw the pocketbook at, too, not knowing the outcome and ramifications of the CBA negotiations.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 17, 2010 10:48 PM

And the same people want to throw 5 YRs and 50 Mil w/ 20+ guaranteed at VJax and fire a coach 13 games in. They complain about Snyder and the last 10+ years but would rather continue the vicious cycle then stay the course.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

So the McNabb signing wasn't the continuation of Snyder/Cerrato-era high-stakes fantasy football. It was a coach and a GM looking for an experienced player to help lead the way for the younger players they expected to bring in over the course of a few seasons. But the experienced player turned out not to be quite the boon they'd calculated him to be.

And now here we are.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2010 10:41 PM |

It was a coach and a GM who are clueless when it comes to evaluating personnel and using draft picks wisely. The Skins currently are twice cursed:

1. They don't have much talent on their roster, esp when compared with the other 3 teams in their div.

2. They don't have many draft picks to build with and they wasted two val picks on McN.

Actually if you saw the game with the Bucs on Sunday you prob would say the curse number directed at the Skins is a lot higher than 2. It sort of feels like Dr. Doofenshmirtz is lurking in the shadows somewhere, doesn't it?

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

It sort of feels like Dr. Doofenshmirtz is lurking in the shadows somewhere, doesn't it?

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 11:03 PM

But his daughter is smoking hot.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

But his daughter is smoking hot.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 11:10 PM |

Agree.

Posted by: PsyOps | December 17, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Five Quick Thoughts: McNabb's benching
By: John Keim 12/17/10 10:39 PM

1. McNabb was playing poorly. I don’t get the “disrespect” theme his agent, Fletcher Smith, is spouting. How was McNabb disrespected? I get that he’s better than Rex Grossman. But Joe Montana was shoved aside in San Francisco – where he had won. McNabb hasn’t done anything here that suggests he’s some untouchable. The tough part is convincing anyone that Grossman is a legitimate option. But this clearly is about finding out if Grossman could be a help next season as a backup or couple-game starter while some rookie gets ready. If McNabb had been playing well then you can talk about disrespect. He was not playing well. Then again, if he had played well they wouldn’t be 5-8. In Philly those bounced passes could be overlooked when DeSean Jackson is on your side and capable of turning a short pass into a long touchdown. But in Washington, those bounced passes meant missed opportunities.

2. It’s not just McNabb. Don’t misunderstand what I’m saying; McNabb is far from the only to blame in this situation. Look at the No. 2 receiver entering the season: Joey Galloway. And the No. 3 was a guy who had zero career catches and had spent more time in the Intense Football League than in the NFL. Now, Anthony Armstrong has blossomed, but the Redskins don’t have a legitimate gamebreaker on offense. The coaches made a ton of mistakes starting with personnel.

3. What I also don’t get is any sort of surprise in McNabb. When the Redskins acquired McNabb, they should have known at that time whether or not he was their guy for a few years. Sort of a lot of film on the guy. If you disliked his mechanics, did you really think they’d change much? Andy Reid has a terrific reputation as a coach and Marty Morningwheg has a great rep as a quarterbacks coach. This group isn’t better than that one. Yet the Redskins traded two picks for a guy they clearly weren’t sold on. This set the franchise back a year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

4. Forget Rex Grossman. This isn’t about him, aside from the next three games. And don’t be surprised if John Beck plays some too. This really is a three-game exhibition season. But there’s no way Grossman is a legitimate option. He’s a guy who struggles under duress; always has. He’s a small quarterback who lacks great mobility. Poor combination. Really, if you want to watch a Redskins quarterback of the future, flip on the bowl games. You have a better chance of seeing one in those games than you will in the next three. By the way, I was on Skinscast a couple weeks ago when the topic of playing Beck or Grossman was raised. My point was I wouldn’t play them – if you thought McNabb was your guy next season. Why risk ticking him off? But it’s hard to see him being the guy in 2011. It’s funny, too, because some people criticized the skepticism in the media when McNabb signed his contract and it was then learned there was a major out clause for Washington. Now you know why the media was largely cynical over the deal and what it meant for McNabb’s future in Washington.

5. I really have no idea how Grossman will play. I know what I saw this summer and it wasn’t good. Had one person who had seen him a lot in Chicago say he’ll look great in seven-on-sevens because there’s no rush. That’s about what we saw in camp. There’s a part of me that wonders what-if? But I’ve also seen other guys who “know” an offense as the No. 2 but can’t execute it as the No. 1. Know what those guys are called? Future coaches. Is Grossman one of those guys? Could be. His arm isn’t that great, which isn’t an issue if you know where to go with the ball. And maybe he can take more advantage of an offense with a strong running game, which McNabb couldn’t do last week vs. Tampa Bay. The Redskins left a lot of plays on the field. They had what they wanted: eight Bucs in the box in the second half. Yet they couldn’t burn them through the air. However, when McNabb needed to produce on the final drive he did. Funny thing is, that drive is what led to more cracks in the Shanahan-McNabb relationship. When a reporter asked Kyle Shanahan about what McNabb did well on that drive, the best Shanahan could say is that he threw the ball. Seriously? This is a guy who praised Joey Galloway and he couldn’t even say something positive about McNabb? That was a major tipoff. Or, rather, the last in a series of tipoffs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

There were a lot of free agents that a lot of people up here were ready to throw the pocketbook at, too, not knowing the outcome and ramifications of the CBA negotiations.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 17, 2010 10:48 PM

And the same people want to throw 5 YRs and 50 Mil w/ 20+ guaranteed at VJax and fire a coach 13 games in. They complain about Snyder and the last 10+ years but would rather continue the vicious cycle then stay the course.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 10:58 PM |

Que serra serra mi amigo.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 17, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

The trade for McNabb wasn't the right thing to do, right now, for this team, in hindsight. What did you think at the time?

I was a "Campbell Apologist" and even I thought it was a shrewd move.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 17, 2010 10:46 PM | Report

I ws dead against the trade from the start. I wasn't sold on Campbell but I thought he shoulda been kept until the line was built and then went for a new QB. Of course I thought McNabb was a better QB than Campbell but I don't ever like burning picks for old guys. Having said that, after the trade was made I jumped on board because I love the team and if a guy plays for us I rout for him...until he's gone. So I say SJK Hayney and McScabb and good riddance. See how easy it is to love the team and not the player?

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 17, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, I was with you on the JC was not our biggest problem last year and we needed other things more (OL) on offense. I was not in favor of bringing in DM, but when they did it, I figured, ok he is better than JC, so I roll with it. Now, I don't think it was the way he played that brought him down. I think he pissed off Kyle, not enough respect. DM had a 100.7 QB rating last week and we should have won the game. 2 short FGs and a missed PA. There's more to this than we are hearing in the press, IMO.

Posted by: msrent | December 18, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya z, but we are just naysaying on-the-ledge chirpers, right?

What Genius is doing is really brilliant and I just need to chill out.

Obviously Donovan McNabb is an inept QB and he's ruining Genius Jrs.'s brilliant system.

That will become evident on Sunday when Rex Grossman - a guy who knows Genius Jr.'s system - takes the field and shows us all just exactly how bad a QB McNabb really is...we'll all get to see for ourselves that the big problem with this team has been McNabb's inability to run it...

...we'll see...

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:51 PM

The reason you are "naysaying on-the-ledge chirpers" is because it has only been 13 games into the first season of MS stint in DC. Really, you are gonna make a judgement this early in the game? If so, then you are on a ledge and might as well jump. Give the guy a the time any coach would need to turn this team around before you start yelling that the sky is falling down if you don't want to be considered a "naysaying on-the-ledge chirpers". And comparing MS to VC at this stage is akin to yelling the sky is falling. Stop being a chicken little. You are better than that.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 18, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

I think MS brought in DM as a stop gap and also a mentor to the next young QB. Not showing what MS thought was "proper respect" for KS was the downfall. DM has leadership qualities MS saw, what he didn't see was that doesn't translate into respect for an arrogant OC in his 2nd year working for his daddy. I think KS is a major reason this offense has failed this year. How can you run for 150 yds before halftime and not see a play action pass?? If we had, perhaps we see a couple TDs to Moss or AA in the first half instead of missed FGs.

Posted by: msrent | December 18, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

I could care less what Grossman can do. We already know what he is.

If you are interested in taking inventory for the future, the let's see what Beck can do.

Posted by: edvar | December 18, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Kerz; I don't think MS is anywhere near as bad as VC, but I question bringing in his son as OC. I'm against that sort of thing in any business. It clouds objective thinking. I do think in the long run MS will not let KS ruin his reputation though. I just hope it works out and they get the right guy (QB, leader) for it sooner than later.

Posted by: msrent | December 18, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

edvar; Rex will be a disastor against the kind of pass rush we'll see against the Cowpies and Gints. I hate losing to Dallas more than anything. If we could do anything to redeem the season, it would be to beat Dallas twice this year. Our best chance now is to have them knock Rex out early and bring Donovan in to save the game. After this week, that won't be an option.

Posted by: msrent | December 18, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

edvar; Rex will be a disastor against the kind of pass rush we'll see against the Cowpies and Gints. I hate losing to Dallas more than anything. If we could do anything to redeem the season, it would be to beat Dallas twice this year. Our best chance now is to have them knock Rex out early and bring Donovan in to save the game. After this week, that won't be an option.

Posted by: msrent | December 18, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Nobody in their right mind would ding Kyle Shanahan's ability to coach offense in the NFL based on what has happened with a bad roster of talent through 13 games.

If you really think the last 3 months negate what he accomplished in Houston you are likely alone in your assessment.

WAITING GUILTY


First of all nobody in his right mind posts here. Second, Kyle's play calling heer has been wretched, and you can't just blame it on weak talent.

For instance, why did he keep running his programmed plays against Philly when they scored quickly and pulled away while the 'skins were still running 2 yard "probing" plays?

Why is it the offense all but shuts down in the second half? The opponent adjusts, and Kyle hasn't countered or anticipated.

For long periods of time, his best weapons are ignored--cooley for instance. Oe McNabb wasn't rolled out when it was obvious his pocket collapsed.

No he didn't undo all his good, but he has hardlhy wrapped himself in glory.

Posted by: TheCork | December 18, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

...dont you get it? The McNabb deal was done by Danny---owner to owner, not by Allen or Shannahan. This was Danny's last "gift" to the franchise before the adults took over. While I hate to lose another 2 very valuable draft picks...I love the firm message being sent to Danny. Danny, your football decisions are a joke and we are going to make you watch us have to eat everyone of them as soon as we can without puking. Haynesworth-gone, Thomas-gone, McNabb-gone, etc. more to come.

Posted by: oddjob1 | December 18, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

My own theory is that McNabb's play has been worse than they expected.


Somewhere, NFL Network Playbook personality Brian Baldinger is laughing and serving up crow.

Right after the Eagles traded McNabb to D.C., Baldinger used coaches' tape to explain that Donovan McNabb was a '..flawed..' quarterback.

He noted that in the past three years, McNabb increasingly missed open receivers, threw a lot of poor passes, and had lost the ability to make plays with his legs.

These issues somehow escaped the Shanahans' analysis on the eve of the Easter Day trade for DM5.

But they must have become apparent around week 3-4 of this season whenever the redskin offense went into a deep scoreless funk for long stretches of games.

The benching during the Detriot game, then, wasn't about the two minute offense, but overall game management, including the lack of hustle and moxie scrambling quarterbacks use to avoid a harrowing rush of beefy 320 pound swift linemen by becoming a running threat.

Baldinger's analysis of McNabb's decline has proven to be dead on, much to the chagrin of Redskin Nation.

But you have to push it all aside and ask, "What were they thinking?" if a retired offensive lineman could spot a quarterback's demise in ways the Shanahans could not.

Evidently, the Shanahans felt they could fashion an offense around McNabb that would work, not realizing the skins didn't have the weapons and o-line needed to help elevate his game.

Donnie is done.

Andy Reid knew that.

And now, like Baldinger and mistamoe, you all do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't sold on Campbell but I thought he shoulda been kept until the line was built and then went for a new QB.


That's were the smart people were: keep Campbell around as a steady warm body to absorb the blows that come with playing behind a developing offensive line.

Thing is, Campbell's play is slighty better in Oakland behind an improving offensive line, with a solid running back, and throwing to a nice core of developing receivers.

In other words, he's doing in Oakland what he should have been doing all this season in D.C..

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

This team will remain toxic as long as Daniel Snyder is the owner, as is evidenced on this RI board..And f*** you, Charles Barkley and all the rest of you corporate TV BJs that suck the d*ck of Mammon, and ALLL THE CORPORATE 1984 MEDIA INFECTING THE BEDROOMS AND LIVING SPACES OF THE WORLD

Posted by: frak | December 18, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse


Donnie is done.

Andy Reid knew that.

And now, like Baldinger and mistamoe, you all do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 7:48 AM |

you should know by now moe that hessone's name belongs on your list, as I've known mcnabb was finished before our trading for him.

Posted by: hessone | December 18, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Since John Elway retired, the great Superbowl-winning coach Mike Shanahan has accomplished the following in the next eleven seasons that he was employed as an NFL head coach:

* For seven of those eleven seasons, Shanahan's teams did not qualify for the postseason at all.

* For three of those eleven seasons, Shanahan's teams made the playoffs only to be eliminated in the wild card game by a combined score of 111-37.

* In the most successful of Shanahan's eleven coaching seasons after Elway, 2005, the Broncos went 13-3 only to lose the AFC Championship game at home by a score of 34-7.

* For only four of those eleven seasons have his teams won ten games or more in a season. Three times, his teams had losing records. Twice they had .500 records and twice more they won one game above .500 to go 9-7.


Why is it that Shanahan is routinely described as a great coach? His teams have missed the playoffs much more than they've made it since Elway retired. The one and only playoff game that his teams have won since January, 1999 was against the New England Patriots and was assisted by five Patriots turnovers.

Shanahan is an experienced coach, yes. He's a coach who has had success in the past. But he is not statistically a great coach or anywhere near it. A number of other long-tenured coaches have more consistently had their teams in contention for the championship and have produced more results when it counted.


Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 18, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 17, 2010 7:27 PM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Yo BLOGGERS:
Rather than playing follow the leader and simply running with the crap you hear on here you might try actually trying to comprehend the whole story and getting ALL of the facts!

McNabb is the No.3 QB for the rest of the season. If Grossman goes down then Beck will get the ball.

Your scenario is impossible UNLESS both Grossman and Beck both go down. Won't happen b/c we will revert to the run on every down before that ever happens.

Posted by: ZornInMySide | December 17, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey dolt, I think you have Zorn in your brain.

McNabb is the No.2 QB this week. Then next week he moves to No.3.

Beck has taken zero snaps with the first team and is not ready to backup anyone this week.

So instead of running with the crap in your brain, why don't you read a quote or 2 on the situation before coming up here and firing off.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

p1funk- Fridge being forced into a buy out.

Mike Leach, Mike Locksley, Tyrone Willingham As Possible Head Coaches For Maryland.

So much for being named the ACC Coach of the Year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I know

Ballsy call by Anderson if that's the way it goes down.

I think most would say that Fridge has under-delivered based on expectations put on him for the program overall, but I've never heard of a conference coach of the year getting forced into a buyout before.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't sold on Campbell but I thought he shoulda been kept until the line was built and then went for a new QB.


That's were the smart people were: keep Campbell around as a steady warm body to absorb the blows that come with playing behind a developing offensive line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse


Moe, the really smart people (like me) were for moving Campbell for a draft pick AND fixing the line.

Keeping Campbell here for a year would have been totally useless, get what you can for him and cut that albatross from the organization's neck. Grossman is as good a place-holding punching bag as anyone.

I would have totally supported a move to start Rex Grossman all season long if it meant stockpiling draft picks and fixing other parts of the team.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is an experienced coach, yes. He's a coach who has had success in the past. But he is not statistically a great coach or anywhere near it. A number of other long-tenured coaches have more consistently had their teams in contention for the championship and have produced more results when it counted.


Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 18, 2010 8:45 AM

Which coaches are you talking about?

Posted by: TWISI | December 18, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry if I don't have a handful of sand in my vagina or that I don't dine on lemons and come here angry or bitter. I'd like to think that I'm objective and I'm willing to give the current regime more than 10 months.

Besides most of you seem to have enjoyed the last 10+ years and would like to replicate that moving forward while playing musical chairs with coaches.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 17, 2010 8:25 PM


Diesel, how in the world can you be calm and rational? Don't you know this is the Internet?!

In all seriousness, the 10 pre-Shanahan/Allen years of Snyder don't count. Step one in being a rational fan (if one so chooses, heh) is to wrap one's head around the fact that all of the insanity that happened with the franchise prior to Shanahan & Allen taking the reigns is not relevant, except in that the cumulative poor personnel decisions and poor culture in which those years resulted is a hurdle to be overcome.

So, year one's been rough, but it was always going to be rough. Mistakes were made, but that was always going to happen. This year has been about seeing which pieces fit and which don't. You can't have a trial and error process without error.

Winning teams consist of players who perform well and are accountable to their teammates and coaches. Players under Shanahan who don't perform well either get benched or cut.

Leaders get paid to make hard and sometimes unpopular decisions. Lots of times, an unpopular decision is unpopular because the populace is not privy to all of the information and rationale on which the decision was based. Odds are, that's the case with the McNabb benching.

Will Shanahan & Allen turn things around for the Redskins? I don't know. I hope so, for all our sakes. But I do know that by not shrugging their shoulders at mediocrity, they're moving things in the right direction.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, and what about shrugging your shoulders at the mediocre decisions that the FO is making, eh?

13 games into Year 1 and everyone thinks its a great idea to bench mediocre McNabb, what about the mediocre FO who put McNabb in there? They get a pass because it's only 10 months into the regime?

Well guess what, McNabb is also 10 months into this regime as well.

That's what I don't understand, people pillory the underacheiving players and applaud the FO for putting their heads on a stake...yet that FO was the one making the decision to put them out there to begin with.

Mike Shanahan is cashing a $7million check this year to lead this organization. I'm happy to give him a "pass" if he's going to give that money back and ask for a mulligan in Year 1.

Otherwise, he's as accountable as anyone else in Year 1. And right now, we are WORSE off than we were at the start of the season.

That is all.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Lemme catch up on some of your posts:

- With the way Jason Campbell's career went as a Redskin, you could not have him here another season.

- True, Gibbs 2.0 took us to the playoffs twice, but at what cost? We gave a thrid round pick for TJ Duckett, made Adam Archuleta the richest safety in the history of the game and gave away draft picks and biug contracts like water. This team, talent wise, is in the shape it's in now as a result of the Joe Gibbs 2.0 era.

- How is this disrespectful to McNabb? We STINK! We are 5-8 and this move is codespeak for "We're rebuilding". If Shanahan wants to see what we have, why should he not do that?

- I'm tired of "retread" QB's!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 18, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

p1funk...

We can't win with McNabb...or anyone else on this team. Why can't a coach play his players to evaluate their talent?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 18, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan was fired from the Raiders after doing nothing.
He came to Denver, with Elway already well in place, and won 2 Super Bowls.
Elway retires, Denver goes back to mediocre and he is fired.
I'm hoping just as much as anybody that it all works out but......
I'm not going to condemn anybody after one season. Let's take a look at it at the end of next season before we all burn it down.

Posted by: westjr88 | December 18, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

No talent on this team at all. I again ask who on the Skins starts on any of the playoff teams? I beleive maybe two. It's going to take time to build with both the draft and FA. Further compounding the problem is the players know this too. Really good players probably don't want to go to the Skins now as they realize the condition the team is in.
I love the Skins, but Washington is not high on the list of destinations for most elite players of the three major sports unless the teams overpay. It is what it is.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 18, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse


Shanahan is an experienced coach, yes. He's a coach who has had success in the past. But he is not statistically a great coach or anywhere near it. A number of other long-tenured coaches have more consistently had their teams in contention for the championship and have produced more results when it counted.

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 18, 2010 8:45 AM |
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when the 2011 season starts, shanahan and allen's moves during the offseason will be hailed as genius and the redskins will again finish at the bottom of the division. one only needs to look in the rearview mirror to see the direction this team will go in as long as $nyder owns it.

but don't take my word or the past decade as evidence, just shout out how proud you are to be a redskin fan

Posted by: hessone | December 18, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

My only hope is that Shanny is thinking strategically, saving McNabb from injury in the final meaningless games, so as not to hinder either his trade value (I'd take a 3rd from Minnesota) or his ability next year to be a mentor/placeholder for the next young QB. And losing out while "evaluating our roster" can only help our draft position for finding that next young QB, so maybe that's what he has in mind, as well.

Or maybe he's just a clueless egomaniac who makes bad personnel decisions...I'll crossing my fingers and hoping for the first possibility, instead.

Posted by: PDXskin | December 18, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

one only needs to look in the rearview mirror to see the direction this team will go in as long as $nyder owns it.

but don't take my word or the past decade as evidence, just shout out how proud you are to be a redskin fan

Posted by: hessone | December 18, 2010 9:46 AM

Man, was I wrong. I thought that hessone and ih8 were sock puppets. Turns out that hessone is pabrian2003's sock puppet. Sorry, Ih8. And sorry, pabrian2003 -- you deserve more credit than you've gotten.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 18, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

You bloggas are schizo. You want rebuilding, you're getting rebuilding and you're still byatching.

Posted by: TWISI | December 18, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse


@beep-beep

I'm taking the higher ground beep, so you have a nice weekend and no matter what happens, HTTR !

Posted by: hessone | December 18, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

hessone on the job, making sure that dead horse does not get up.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 18, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse


hessone on the job, making sure that dead horse does not get up.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 18, 2010 10:41 AM |
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hey kerz, it's a dirty job, but someones got to do it.

you'll have to admit though, it's tough being human

Posted by: hessone | December 18, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm taking the higher ground beep,

Posted by: hessone | December 18, 2010 10:39 AM

I read your post, he$$one. You call that the higher ground? What's it higher than? It's nothing more than your same-old same-old. Talk about someone who's direction is determined in his rear view mirror.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 18, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather the guy who made the mistake of trading for McNabb recognize the mistake and take action than compound the mistake by keeping him just because of the price tag.

The draft picks are gone. Continuing to play McNabb and fail doesn't lend them more or less value.

No tickee, no laundry.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 18, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Is TheScamp75 the new scampbell1975 handle? If so, I'm not sure I like it. Sort of reminds me of when Sunny Delight tried to force the "Sunny D" nickname on everyone. And we all know how that turned out.

Posted by: mack1 | December 18, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

You bloggas are schizo. You want rebuilding, you're getting rebuilding and you're still byatching.

Posted by: TWISI | December 18, 2010 10:27 AM


Not Schizo. Just pissed.

We wanted rebuilding, not trading a 2nd rounder in last years draft and a 3rd or 4th this year to a division rival for a QB with 13 years of game film on him that turns out to not fit your system. looks washed up and gets benched.

What part of that resemble rebuilding to you?

Posted by: edvar | December 18, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

If TheScamp75 is the new one, drop the word 'The'. Just have it Scamp75

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 18, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for the dopes that bought a #5 jersey. But really, what kind of ass buys McNabb gear?


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

But really, what kind of ass buys McNabb gear?


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 11:10 AM

UMd graduates.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 18, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

TheJoeyTheismann weighs in...

"I don't think the handwriting is on the wall, I think it's in paint and it's in very big letters," Theismann said. "Donovan McNabb will not be a Washington Redskin going forward. ... I think [Shanahan's] made that very, very obvious....[McNabb] has handled them with class, with integrity and you have to have the utmost respect for Donovan McNabb, the man, the way he has handled these situations. But it is not Donovan the man that is being replaced."

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

well since mcnabb is gone...

if the season ended today, we would be drafting at the 11th spot

carolina
cincy
buffalo
detroit
denver
dallas
arizona
san francisco
tennessee
cleveland
WASHINGTON

out of these teams, id say denver, arizona, san fran are seriously going to be looking for a qb

assuming buffalo is ok with fitzpatrick and vince young is coming back to tenn like their owner stated and carolina is really sold on clausen

we MIGHT have a shot at one of three if they slip: mallett, locker, newton

Posted by: AhsanFamily | December 18, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

If TheScamp75 is the new one, drop the word 'The'. Just have it Scamp75

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 18, 2010 11:08 AM | Report

It's just a temporary handle while I'm back in Ohio visiting the family. It was really more of a poke at THE Ohio State University tards.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 18, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Sleep in my helmet, cuz I'm a space monkey..AND ALL YOU AUTONOMEDIA (IZZIT THE VEHICLE THAT GOT HIJAXED, OR WUZ IT THE HIJAX THAT GOTS VEHICLED??) TACQWACORE MICHAEL MUHAMMED KNIGHT/ BEASTIE BOY "MO' MONEY, MO'SADDERS"", Agent Black Flag, THE ENTIRE STAZI UNDERGROUND SCENE FUELED BY COUNTERFEIT FED MONEY, "SOCIETY-SCULPTING" THE NAZI-WARBANKS CALL IT..there is no "safe-house", there is no "safe-room", there is only yer own self in yer own spacesuit, space monkey...

Posted by: frak | December 18, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

we MIGHT have a shot at one of three if they slip: mallett, locker, newton

Posted by: AhsanFamily | December 18, 2010 11:15 AM

1. We're going to lose out, and we'll be drafting higher than #11.

2. It doesn't matter because if we want to get a first-round QB then we'll have to trade up.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 18, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Is TheScamp75 the new scampbell1975 handle? If so, I'm not sure I like it. Sort of reminds me of when Sunny Delight tried to force the "Sunny D" nickname on everyone. And we all know how that turned out.

Posted by: mack1 | December 18, 2010 10:54 AM |

I didn't chose the nickname...it was forced upon me.

Posted by: TheScamp75 | December 18, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

• McNabb goes to the Pro Bowl.

• McNabb plays in 70 percent of the Redskins' offensive plays and Washington wins nine games.

If either happens, the Eagles get the Redskins third-round pick in 2011 to go along with the second-round pick they got from Washington in the 2010 NFL draft. If not, it stays in the fourth round.
Posted by: TheDirtySanchez
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Boy all eagle fans need to do is vote in Donovan to help their team....

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 18, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

But really, what kind of ass buys McNabb gear?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 11:10 AM

UMd graduates.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 18, 2010 11:13 AM

What am I suppose to do with this little gem? Duke grads buy #92 jerseys?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

we MIGHT have a shot at one of three if they slip: mallett, locker, newton

Posted by: AhsanFamily | December 18, 2010 11:15 AM

1. We're going to lose out, and we'll be drafting higher than #11.

2. It doesn't matter because if we want to get a first-round QB then we'll have to trade up.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 18, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

agreed, i definitely dont think we're gonna win another game this season; 5-11 record should give us a top 7 pick

and i don't think we will have to necessarily trade up (unless its for Luck)

Posted by: AhsanFamily | December 18, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

What part of that resemble rebuilding to you?

Posted by: edvar | December 18, 2010 11:04 AM

The part where the team now has more 1st - 4th year players starting and/or contributing now than at the beginning of the year. It's not a complete tear down, but a slow renovation. Personally, I'd kept the previous qb and build through the draft eventually finding a young qb of the future but that's not the way Shanny did it. Shanny also didn't know that McNabb would be so slow to grasp the offense. There are plays to be made by McNabb, irregardless of the Ol, Wr, Rb woes. McNabb hasn't made those plays, and like any other player it's all about producing we you have the opportunity.

Posted by: TWISI | December 18, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

What am I suppose to do with this little gem?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 11:25 AM

It should console you over the money you wasted on the McNabb jersey. It wasn't your fault. Sue the school.

Duke grads buy Sonny jerseys. He's one of us.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 18, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Was the benching a business decision or a football decision? Was it about preventing DM5 from achieving certain season goals (number of games started, yards gained, passes completed, etc) so as to deprive Philly of a higher pick? Is this possible? The benching event suggests that a win against Dallas tomorrow is less important than a good business decision. As a fan, all I'm concerned with is a W and a sweep against Dallas this season. Football isn't a game; it's a business. Too bad. Sigh!

Posted by: DeployedFan | December 18, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Duke grads buy Sonny jerseys. He's one of us.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 18, 2010 11:32 AM

Considering you both graduated in 57', I can see your special bond.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Pretty good QB prospect on ESPNU. Pat Devlin from Delaware...could be in the mix in the 2nd RD.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The 2011 conditional fourth-round pick that Washington traded to Philadelphia will go to a third-round pick if...McNabb plays in 70 percent of the Redskins' offensive plays and Washington wins nine games.

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | December 17, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Now I see why he's been benched; I still don't agree with it. Yes his play has been mediocre at best, and yes this should allow us to preserve our 3rd rd pick this year's draft. And maybe his trade value as a consideration as well. But it's a BS move to do this Dallas Week. I will not pretend to speak as the singular voice of Redskins Nation, but I know that Skins fans value beating the Cowboys more than anything but winning championships. This stinks to high heaven.

BEAT DALLAS

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Man, just wanted to drink some beers in my own private Santa Monica and cheer the Skins, befoer the fan hits the sh*t:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWW4Gj771Wg

Posted by: frak | December 18, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

What part of that resemble rebuilding to you?

Posted by: edvar | December 18, 2010 11:04 AM

The part where the team now has more 1st - 4th year players starting and/or contributing now than at the beginning of the year. It's not a complete tear down, but a slow renovation. Personally, I'd kept the previous qb and build through the draft eventually finding a young qb of the future but that's not the way Shanny did it. Shanny also didn't know that McNabb would be so slow to grasp the offense. There are plays to be made by McNabb, irregardless of the Ol, Wr, Rb woes. McNabb hasn't made those plays, and like any other player it's all about producing we you have the opportunity.

Posted by: TWISI | December 18, 2010 11:28 AM

Ok.

I can agree to that. I just don't think it's unreasonable to be upset about this mess and the wasted year/picks.

In hind sight, keeping JC-17 might sound like a better idea, but given how badly he looked last year when he did have time to throw (which wasn't often...) it would have been a tough sell to bring in a new coach who is supposed to be a "Master Mind" and have him stay with the status quo.

I wish they had kept him on a 2-3 year deal and spent the picks on the line, but I think we both know that would never happen.

Either way, if they are finally serious about taken a hard look at the roster and rebuilding, I say lets do it.

Posted by: edvar | December 18, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

hey, i may be wrong, but we won't know this until 1 year from now when we see how shannahan deals with the offseason. he's made mistakes, but i'll excuse him of those mistakes if he truly is making the decision to rebuild.

I believe. LETS GO SKINS!!!

Posted by: hb_321 | December 17, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

well said. I am not willing to give Shanahan higher than a C for his first year. Some of his tactical and strategic moves alike have been at best questionable. But I'm not firing a coach with multiple rings after one year. That would be like city council cancelling a much needed bridge construction project after 3 months because they are 2 days behind schedule.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

So, how do you like blowing it up so far?
Dec 18th, 2010 by Rich Tandler.

Tune in to the Redskins-Cowboys game on Sunday and watch Rex Grossman, the current favorite to be the Redskins’ opening day starting quarterback in 2011.

So, how do you like rebuilding so far?

The popular mantra of Redskins fans is that the team needs to tear down the ugly, dilapidated house that has been build over the past 17 years and start over again using primarily the draft and maybe with a few young, relatively inexpensive free agents sprinkled in along the way.

On Friday, Mike Shanahan took the first step towards doing just that. If the reaction of Redskins Nation since he announced that Donovan McNabb would be benched in favor of Grossman is any indication, it’s going to be a very bumpy ride.

After 13 games, Shanahan has decided that turning the Redskins into a perennial contender is going to take longer than he first thought or, perhaps more accurately, longer than he first hoped. You don’t start into a long-term rebuilding plan if you have a 34-year-old quarterback.

Figuring that the Redskins will have a top-10 draft pick, Shanahan is going to identify and draft his quarterback of the future. He hinted at doing that on Friday when the talked about drafting the next Donovan McNabb or Sam Bradford.

It is unlikely that the new quarterback will have a sufficient grasp of the offense to be able to start Week 1. That means that an inexpensive, short-term veteran quarterback will have to take the snaps until Ryan Mallett, Cam Newton, Jake Locker, or whoever is drafted is ready to go.

Inexpensive and short-term are adjectives that fit Rex Grossman to a T. So, meet your 2011 starter for at least half of the season until the rookie is ready.

If it’s not Grossman, it will be someone like him. It could be Alex Smith, Bruce Gradkowski, Trent Edwards, or any of a number of other quarterbacks who have been rejected by their employers. It’s just the way things are. Good quarterbacks are not cheap and available. It will be someone who will work for a low wage, knowing that it is a short-term situation.

The goal of the team will be to fill the void. The goal of the player will be to audition for his next job.

Actually, Redskins fans should hope that it’s Grossman. He now has two years in the offense. It would not be necessary to pour a lot of resources into getting the Grossman-like quarterback familiar with a new scheme for about half a season.

There has been noise about the Redskins saying goodbye to long snapper Ethan Albright in favor of the much-younger Nick Sundberg. The insertion of the 25-year-old Kory Lichtensteiger for the 30-year-old Derrick Dockery created further rumblings and grumblings in the fan base. Shanahan wants to give 23-year-old kicker Graham Gano a chance to grow into the job but fans want to get rid of him yesterday.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

(conclusion)

Then there was the meltdown on Friday. And people wonder why Dan Snyder has been hesitant to preside over a complete rebuilding project.

Many have wondered if the Redskins fan base had the stomach for a rebuilding project. It’s becoming apparent that the answer is no.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 18, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is an experienced coach, yes. He's a coach who has had success in the past. But he is not statistically a great coach or anywhere near it. A number of other long-tenured coaches have more consistently had their teams in contention for the championship and have produced more results when it counted.


Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 18, 2010 8:45 AM

Which coaches are you talking about?

Posted by: TWISI | December 18, 2010 9:09 AM


Shanahan's post-Elway record (96-77) is worse than the records of Bill Cowher (78-49-1), Andy Reid (106-66-1), Jeff Fisher (101-72), and Tony Dungy (115-45), all of whom are coaches that coached for all or most of the time period that Shanahan has been coaching in the post-Elway era. Shanahan - experienced, yes. Outstanding - definitely no.

Shanny has coached for 11 NFL seasons since Elway retired. His teams didn't qualify for the postseason for 7 of those 11 seasons. And three of his teams that did qualify for the playoffs got wiped out in the wild card game by a combined score of 111-37.

And then, in his only head coaching experience in the pre-Elway era, he led the 1988 Los Angeles Raiders to a 7-9 record.

With the help of one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, John Elway, and a supreme running back named Terrell Davis, Shanahan managed to win the superbowl during his third and forth years coaching Denver. But, for the most part, he hadn't done much in his coaching career before that point, and, for the post part, he hasn't done much since that point.

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 18, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I love this kind of rebuilding. Maybe next spring Shany can trade a 2nd & 3rd to Cincy for Carson Palmer.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 18, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Any predictions for tomorrow? I'm feeling a 48-13 beat down administered by the Cowboys. Rex plays okay but the team quits midway thru the 1st qtr. Cowboys rush for over 300 yards.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 18, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

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