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Redskins fall short in overtime

Another week, another heart-breaking loss.

Despite leading by as many as 10 points in the fourth quarter, the Redskins lost to the New Orleans Saints 33-30 Sunday at FedEx Field.

The Redskins have now lost their past three games by a total of seven points, and the Saints escaped Washington with their perfect record -- now at 12-0 -- still intact.


The Redskins won the coin toss, but just two minutes into the overtime period, Mike Sellers fumbled a short Jason Campbell pass. Sellers was initially ruled down on the play, but the Saints successfully challenged the ruling on the field. The call was overturned after a lengthy review by officials, and the Saints took over on the Redskins' 37-yard line.

Many fans began filing out of the stadium as the Saints' offense took the field. It took New Orleans eight plays to inch its way down to the goal line. With 8:40 remaining, the Saints faced second-and-goal from the 1-yard line. They trotted out placekicker Garrett Hartley, who hit the game-winning 18-yard field goal.

For the Redskins, quarterback Jason Campbell finished the day 30-of-42 for 367 yards, three touchdowns and an interception. He had a passer rating 111.9. For the Saints, Drew Brees finished the game 35-of-49 for 419 yards, two touchdowns and an interception.

The loss marked a break-out game for second-year receiver Devin Thomas, who had a career-best 100 yards and two touchdowns on seven catches. He caught every ball that was thrown to him on the day. Tight end Fred Davis also turned in a good game, finishing with 53 yards and a touchdown -- his second in as many weeks -- on five catches.

The Redskins were led on the ground by Quinton Ganther, who had 46 yards on eight carries. Rock Cartwright had 13 rushes and 39 yards.

The Redskins hadn opened the fourth quarter leading by seven and were riding the momentum of a 44-yard catch by Antwaan Randle El.

Campbell found Marcus Mason for six yards and Mason carried for three to give the Redskins third and one from the three yard line, but Mason was stuffed for no gain on a stretch play and Washington settled for Shaun Suisham's 21-yard field goal to take a 30-20 lead with 12:51 to play.

The Saints needed to respond and immediately marched down the field, mostly through the air, with Brees spreading the ball around to his receivers. A 26-yard gain to Robert Meachem on third and 11 was the key play, but inside the Redskins' red zone Washington's defense again buckled down.

With the FedEx fans breaking into chants of "DE-FENSE" and singing "Hail to the Redskins," Washington's defense held on third and nine from the 10 and New Orleans was forced to settle for a 27-yard field goal, pulling to within 30-23 with 6:52 to play.

As they had done all game, however, the Redskins offense answered.

Devin Thomas' return gave the Redskins the ball on their own 41-yard line and Campbell found Mike Sellers on the first play of the drive for 16 yards. Three plays later a facemask penalty on the Saints moved the Redskins to the Saints 16-yard line and Quinton Ganther took the next three handoffs to keep the chains moving and give the Redskins first and goal at the four yard line.

Washington went conservative, running three straight times to grind out the clock and force New Orleans to use all of its time outs and Suisham lined up for a 23-yard field goal. Amazingly, however, he missed, keeping the game a seven-point margin and giving New Orleans the ball at the 20 with 1:52 to play.

It didn't take long for Brees to take advantage of the mistake.

Five plays after taking over Brees found Robert Meachem for a 53-yard touchdown and the Saints were tied at 30 in a drive that took only 33 seconds.

Jason Campbell and the Redskins took over and started to drive, but Campbell was intercepted by Jonathan Vilma and the Saints suddenly had a chance to win it.

The Saints moved to the Redskins 40 yard line and lined up a 58-yard field goal that fell well short and the teams headed to overtime.

By Rick Maese and Paul Tenorio  |  December 6, 2009; 4:27 PM ET
 
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Comments

WOW

Posted by: WRBD | December 6, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

The real questions is "does it f*cking matter if the 'Skins win another game this year?"

Loser attitude, from top to bottom.

Posted by: stevebeagrie | December 6, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who or what but something needs to happen to someone

Posted by: wfchez | December 6, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

the team has been looking better. We still need a legit FS, RB, and O line

Posted by: alex35332 | December 6, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I enjoy Nationals baseball, Redskins football, and being kicked repeatedly in the groin. Not necessarily in that order.

Way to fritter away another one, losers.

Posted by: trezmartin | December 6, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Although the Caps are sold out, there are still good deals on Caps' tickets via the Washington Caps' ticket exchange.

Posted by: CapsLust | December 6, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

They find a new way to lose every week..

And have been doing so for years...

Posted by: WRBD | December 6, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Un-F***ing-Believable.

One of the most painful losses....ever.

Posted by: chris_rollins2k3 | December 6, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I hope Suisham never gets to kick another football in his life. In fact, they should sterilize him so that he can't produce failures for future generations

Posted by: ArlingtonHokie | December 6, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Swiss ham should be cut in the locker room.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Can I get a poll.

Who's to blame for the loss

A) Kareeem Moore
B) LL
B) Suisham
D) The curse of the Zornskins

Posted by: TWISI


I guess it's 'D' for me TWISI. Because I don't know why in regulation they chose to run it THREE times with about five yards out. I mean, at least take a shot at the end zone to go up by 14. I mean, you're 3-8, why the f__k not?!?!

It's Zorn, man. He coaches the game not to lose, not to win.

Playing not to lose = playing to lose

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Gave up TD's at the end of both halfs. It's not how you start, it's how you finish. Waive Suisham tomorrow. Bench Sellers for the fumble and Landry for "celebrating" every time he tackles someone after they convert a first down and letting receivers get behind him.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 6, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Unfreaking believable!!! ... I would REALLY hate to be the kicker,right about now. How do you miss that ... when it's YOUR JOB???!!!!!

Posted by: MarineBugler | December 6, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm so sick of watching Laron Landry talk trash after he tackles somebody for a 7 yard run (as if that is anything to be proud of), and then totally getting torched every time he is in coverage.

Posted by: drschnee | December 6, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

JC is 0-3 having the ball in the forth quarter to win a game and focked it up with that INT. The kicker is to blame. Mike SellOUT lost this game!!!!! 3-9...we are terrible. we can't get out of our own way!! Funny though, someone said two weeks ago that if you hold a team to seven points you should win the game....BUT CONSEQUENTLY IF YOU SCORE 30 FUKIN POINTS YOU SHOULD WIN THE DAM GAME!!!!!!

STILL LUV THE SKINS..BUT DAM!!!!!!

Posted by: UHATEME1 | December 6, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst, most blatant fixing of a game I have ever seen. Yes it is ridiculous that Suisham missed and we probably would have lost either way, but was I the only one who heard the ref repeatedly blow the whistle like 50 times as soon as Sellers hit the ground. That means the play is dead and cant be overturned. Its a clear and simple rule. For some reason the announcers didn't even mention it which I thought was pretty fishy right away, and then they overturn it? Someone explain how this could happen. There are cameras out there, its not like we didn't see what happened. Someone explain how thats legal? I am so confused and I expected us to lose in OT but to see an NFL game be blatantly fixed like that is something I have never witness and makes me sad for this sport. Someone tell me I was hallucinating all 50 of those whistles to kill the play.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 6, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

2nd time in the past few weeks that playing for the field goal beat us!!

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I just don't understand Jim Zorn's mindset when it comes to the redzone late in the game. Why is he so conservative? When you have a chance to put them away, he thinks a field goal is good enough. Especially when you're 3-8 you should just go for the touchdown.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me how they can give the Saints the ball even after the whistle is blown multiple times BEFORE New Orleans picks it up?

Posted by: phooter | December 6, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Unleashed purgatory.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 6, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

If you want to give up on the Skins go ahead. The fact is, the officials blew a call. If you look at the replay of the "fumble", the official is signalling him down and the whistle blew. Therefore, it does not matter what happened next. In addition, any evidence of a fumble was inconculsive at best. The booth officials have failed to overturn calls which were much more clearly incorrect in the past with the excuse of "inconclusive evidence". Of course we missed opportunities during the game, but so did New Orleans. The officials prevented us from having a fair shot at winning.

Posted by: TerpsfanstuckinNC | December 6, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse


FIRE SEAN SUISUM!!!

Posted by: demtse | December 6, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Incredibly, the Redskins always find a WAY TO LOSE... no matter what. 3-9 requires a lot of effort to find a way to lose with the parity in the NFL.

Posted by: jeff-in-dc | December 6, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Sellers didn't fumble and the play was not overturnable anyways. And how did the Saints get their timeout back? So many rules broken blatantly in one play. How does this happen?!

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 6, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Hard to win when the defense gives up wide open "double move" TDs every game.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 6, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

It's Zorn, man. He coaches the game not to lose, not to win.

Playing not to lose = playing to lose

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 5:04 PM

That's my feeling too. Have to be more aggressive in that situation particularly after the previous two loses. On another team, in a different year, it's good to play conservatively. Not with this team, a team looking for a signature win for confidence.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

FIRE SEAN SUISUM!!!

Posted by: demtse | December 6, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

someone...please...take that head ref and stick a fork in that guys face...EVERY chance the ref got to lean toward the saints in booth calls he did...what a cheating no good female dog!i mean how could he decide the fate of the game in overtime when the evidence was NOT conclusive and the call on the ground was down by contact...if u ask me seems real similiar to the pats game in the superbowl..u know 9/11 and the PATRIOTS winning cause of a TUCK RULE...in this case...katrina..New orleans...undefeated season..how predictable!

Posted by: JasonCampbellisnotproblem | December 6, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas had his coming out party today. Great game from Devin!

Fred Davis? Dude played very well! Was happy to see him play well.

And Jason Campbell? I've been on the "get rid of this dude" all season, but today, he showed me something. Jason can play in this league when given time to throw. I want Jason Campbell back next season.

Laron Landry and Carlos Rogers were shown on the sidelines after Laron gave up a TD on a deep Brees throw. They were both shown motioning their hands as saying to each other it was a double move... and there was nothing that you can do. What's bad is that Landry played so great at times today, but today he proved that he plays the game with a little boy mentality.

I swear you all, I'm so damn pissed right now! This blog is the only thing that therapeutic for me right now!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else see Gregg Williams look up at Snyder's private luxury box as he jogged off the field?
Must of been a great feeling after Snyder jerked him around for 4 days of interviews.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 6, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Last three weeks in 4th quarter: 6 point lead/1 point loss, 8 point lead/2 point loss, 10 point lead/3 point loss. It's a lack of confidence. We played great today but we don't know how to finish. EVERYBODY needs to do their jobs for us to win and two of the last three weeks it was Suisham who didn't. Services no longer needed Shaun.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 6, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

WOW, WOW, WOW!!!!!

WHAT HAVE THE ULTIMATE DEADSKINS PROVEN BEYOND ANYONE'S DOUBT THIS AFTERNOON? YOU GUESSED IT, THAT THEY ARE THE ABSOLUTE, PERFECT, ULTIMATE, COMPLETE, GENUINE PERSONIFICATION OF WHAT TRUE LOSERS ARE!!!!!

LANDRY SHOULD CHANGE HIS NAME TO LAUNDRY BECAUSE HE SURE STINKS!!! WHAT A COMPLETE NEANDERTHAL HE IS SHOWBOATING ALL OVER THE FIELD WHILE GETTING BEAT WORSE THAN BILL CLINTON TAKING A LIE DETECTOR TEST!!!

IF THE BRAINTRUST WHO MAKE ANY DECISIONS GREATER THAN HOW MUCH STARTCH TO USE IN THE JOCK STRAPS EVEN REMOTELY THINK ABOUT LETTING THAT CAMATOSE KICKER BACK IN THE LOCKER ROOM THEN THEY SHOULD STUDIED!!!

I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO GLAD IN MY LIFE THAT THE PREVAILING WINDS TRAVEL WEST TO EAST BECAUSE LIVING IN THE WEST WILL SAVE ME FROM HAVING TO EXPERIENCE THE PUTRID SMELL THAT PERMEATES EVERYTHING THAT IS WASHINGTON D.C.

WHAT THEY DEMONSTRATED TODAY WAS ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL, BUT, DUH, I ALMOST FORGOT, PER CAPITA, THERE ARE MORE CRIMINALS THERE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE PLANET!!!!!

PLEASE, SOMEBODY PASS ME THE CLOROX............

Posted by: burro2 | December 6, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

This is the second time the refs have taken the game from the skins. How can you call it a fumble after the man recovers the ball after the whistle has blown. Very bad call.

Posted by: 33dgriffin | December 6, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

CHOKE! CHOKE! CHOKE! Suisham.....WTF!!!

Posted by: dc4life | December 6, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

PHOOTER Wrote

Can someone explain to me how they can give the Saints the ball even after the whistle is blown multiple times BEFORE New Orleans picks it up?

Posted by: phooter | December 6, 2009 5:08 PM

++++++++++++++++++++++++
It probably swung more than 200 million dollars in Vegas, alone.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 6, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

It should be illegal for the booth to call a review after a team called for a timeout. Doing otherwise just means that the coach of the Saints called for a review. He even got his timeout back.

Posted by: barnett2 | December 6, 2009 4:59 PM

I completely agree. In OT the reviews are suppose to come from the booth. The refs weren't going to review it until after the skins sanpped the ball and NO was granted a TO.

There can be no challenge and the refs shouldn't review a play beacuse a coach says so and then give them the TO back.

This stinks of Tim Donaghy

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 5:08 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Redskins suck...

It will help them get better...

Posted by: WRBD | December 6, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Man I hate the whole "this is good we'll have better draft picks" argument. This does nothing to take away my anger at getting 15 text messages taunting my allegiance to the skins. This is freakin' entertainment, WIN once in awhile.

Plus, high first round picks are where the Redskins choose players like Laron Landry and Carlos Rogers. They'll screw that up, too.

Posted by: trezmartin | December 6, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

How is Suisham still employed? He ought to be cut this evening before he can leave the stadium!

Posted by: vtsquirm1 | December 6, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

EPIC FAIL.

Posted by: jackrussell252521 | December 6, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

this game is dedicated to Laron "Double Move" Landry, Shaun "I cant kick it straight" Suisham, Kareem "got robbed" Moore and Mike "wheres the ball" Sellers.

Posted by: arbano1 | December 6, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

i think this is a rule change this year (which makes no sense to me btw).

down by contact can be overruled this year. ball cannot be advanced but the team that recovers keeps it (even if there is a whistle before the team recovers)

Posted by: hailbg | December 6, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Gave up TD's at the end of both halfs. It's not how you start, it's how you finish. Waive Suisham tomorrow. Bench Sellers for the fumble and Landry for "celebrating" every time he tackles someone after they convert a first down and letting receivers get behind him.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 6, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse
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I agree about Landry. He parades around like he's the Queen of England, begging for cheers for HIM from the crowd.

Posted by: cooper100 | December 6, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

If I am correct you can review a play anytime before the ball is snapped on the next play ....thats when most red challenge flags are thrown right...the guy sellers had possesion and the ball came out obviously on one of the replays, booth determined this not saints coaching staff and since when is a play not reviewable

Posted by: wschex | December 6, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst, most blatant fixing of a game I have ever seen. Yes it is ridiculous that Suisham missed and we probably would have lost either way, but was I the only one who heard the ref repeatedly blow the whistle like 50 times as soon as Sellers hit the ground. That means the play is dead and cant be overturned. Its a clear and simple rule. For some reason the announcers didn't even mention it which I thought was pretty fishy right away, and then they overturn it? Someone explain how this could happen. There are cameras out there, its not like we didn't see what happened. Someone explain how thats legal? I am so confused and I expected us to lose in OT but to see an NFL game be blatantly fixed like that is something I have never witness and makes me sad for this sport. Someone tell me I was hallucinating all 50 of those whistles to kill the play. Sellers didn't fumble and the play was not overturnable anyways. And how did the Saints get their timeout back? So many rules broken blatantly in one play. How does this happen?!

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 6, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

This is the second time the refs have taken the game from the skins. How can you call it a fumble after the man recovers the ball after the whistle has blown. Very bad call.

Posted by: 33dgriffin

____________________________
Apparently the play doesn't stop after the whistle blows anymore, which means all late hits should now be made legal

Posted by: vtsquirm1 | December 6, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

There's no conspiracy! Sellers needs to protect the ball!!!!! It's that simple.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 6, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

This is exactly what happens when you lack the killer instinct. That single factor kills them week after week. Only Snyder (by giving this team to a true football man to run) can change that culture.

As long as this organization--filled as it is with great people and probable winners in other places--is a marketing organization trading on our loyalty to make $$ rather than building from the fundamentals up, what else can we expect for as long as Snyder runs the show as he does?

The sad thing is I really think Snyder wants to win, but he wants the credit more.

Posted by: gatorado | December 6, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Well said Diesel44....Other than the team, something else stinks about this game.

Posted by: CSA_NC2000 | December 6, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Because of this loss, a wave of apathy will sweep over Washington D.C.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 6, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This isn't the most sickening loss in recent memory (Buffalo with Gibbs and the TO's), but it is a close second. Anyone who says good, we move up the draft board is a FREAKIN MORON!!!!!

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 6, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Time out is legit...

Getting it back is not...

Posted by: WRBD | December 6, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

i cant say how much joy it wud have been to get in the face in every cowboy talkin trash about the skins here in San Diego IF we had beaten the SAINTS....i undoubtedly would have been content with the season knowing they broke the saints..borderline domination..BUT NOOOOO...refs a dam cheat!

Posted by: JasonCampbellisnotproblem | December 6, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst, most blatant fixing of a game I have ever seen. Yes it is ridiculous that Suisham missed and we probably would have lost either way, but was I the only one who heard the ref repeatedly blow the whistle like 50 times as soon as Sellers hit the ground. That means the play is dead and cant be overturned. Its a clear and simple rule. For some reason the announcers didn't even mention it which I thought was pretty fishy right away, and then they overturn it? Someone explain how this could happen. There are cameras out there, its not like we didn't see what happened. Someone explain how thats legal? I am so confused and I expected us to lose in OT but to see an NFL game be blatantly fixed like that is something I have never witnessed and makes me sad for this sport. Someone tell me I was hallucinating all 50 of those whistles to kill the play. Sellers didn't fumble and the play was not overturnable anyways. And how did the Saints get their timeout back? So many rules broken blatantly in one play. How does this happen?!

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 6, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

SKINS AIN'T SHIP!

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | December 6, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Whooo...

Tebow her we come...

;)

Posted by: WRBD | December 6, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Say whatever you want. This game was lost by Zorn. Zorn has no business involved in any part of the game day process.

Tough INT by JC, but can't fault his play today.

SS needs to be cut. Always chokes under pressure.

LL cannot play free safety. Either move him to strong safety or trade his ass.

But through it all is zorn and his misuse of TO, bad play calling in critical times and conservative play calling.

F Zorn, then Fire his azz!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

To the person who wrote "was I the only one who heard the ref repeatedly blow the whistle like 50 times as soon as Sellers hit the ground"???

No I heard it too and posted to Cindy Boren,
she did not respond. Maybe you should hit her too with this observation. The play was DEAD and the ball should have belonged to the Redskins!!

Posted by: randybapst1 | December 6, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

To the person who wrote "was I the only one who heard the ref repeatedly blow the whistle like 50 times as soon as Sellers hit the ground"???

No I heard it too and posted to Cindy Boren,
she did not respond. Maybe you should hit her too with this observation. The play was DEAD and the ball should have belonged to the Redskins!!

Posted by: randybapst1 | December 6, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

It was obvious to me that Seller's "fumble" was blown dead by the ref. The play ended with the whistle. Why was Jim Zorn not out there protesting his ass off like a head coach should do?

Posted by: ramatana | December 6, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

That was either the worst reverse call I've ever seen, or a fix to keep the newly anointed golden team's unblemished record pristine.

The Redskins were relevant, though, and fun to watch for the first time in years. The Busts of 2008 looked sharp and even... professional, as did Campbell for that matter. Landry was a bull in a china shop, breaking opponents and his own team's hopes alike. He's looking a bit 'roided if you ask me, and his demeanor more than a little schizophrenic.

Suisham should be an all-star. He never misses anything, except the rare important one which can win one for a 3-9 team. Put him on a team which routinely blows its foes out and he'd be perfect.

Posted by: SammyT1 | December 6, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I seriously swear that the skins threw the game. How do they manage to choke with less than two and a half minutes remaining? It all goes back to the epitome of ADHD, Dan 'Hurry up and win' Snyder. I'm still wondering why Norv Turner was cut loose. It's getting really embarrassing living in DC.

Posted by: SoupLine | December 6, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Read the rules...

NO ball on the fumble...

But it was not a fumble...

Posted by: WRBD | December 6, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

What a roller coaster ride that game was folks! This loss shows the difference between a superior team and a weak team. The Redskins had to play almost flawless in order to beat the Saints. I was more upset about the Skins losing in the last part the game against Dallas and Philadelphia than this won. Come on, the Saints are undefeated!!! I think the Saints are destined end the futility they have had for 40 some years in New Orleans. I remember when Redskins fans licked their chops when the Saints were on the Skins's calendar. The offense and defense played very well, but fell apart in the last part of the 4th quarter. When up 30-23, they should have passed the ball or called a draw play to try to get another touchdown. But when you miss field goals and play conservative at the wrong time and against a prolific team you will lose. I believe Zorn and his staff got out coached in the last 4 minutes. I believe Sellars, Rogers, Randel el must go. Landry is a great hard hitter and very go against the run, but I would move him out of the secondary and place him at linebacker he is terrible in pass coverage and often get burned. Skins fans have to patient because all of this will soon come to pass and someone teams will pay for these heartbreaker losses.

Posted by: jharris3 | December 6, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Zorn didn't fumble the ball, miss a 23 yard game clinching FG or screw up call after freakin call! He won't be back next year anyhow, so let him coach with dignity. He's got more heart than anyone in the organization for having to deal with the BS like he has.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 6, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

What a shame. This loss overshadows Thomas' and Campbell's day. Thomas was amazing. But too bad we'll be talking about how we always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory instead.

I'm proud they hung in there with the Saints but it just hurts so much that we had the game and found a way to lose... makes me wanna cry. If Suisham makes the FG, we'd be here celebrating a lone bright spot in this miserable season. Instead the misery continues.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

What a shame. This loss overshadows Thomas' and Campbell's day. Thomas was amazing. But too bad we'll be talking about how we always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory instead.

I'm proud they hung in there with the Saints but it just hurts so much that we had the game and found a way to lose... makes me wanna cry. If Suisham makes the FG, we'd be here celebrating a lone bright spot in this miserable season. Instead the misery continues.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

If you can't kick short field goals, you deserve to lose; nevertheless the whole ref squad should be investigated. Clearly, they are being well paid. I have never seen such blatantly wrong calls.

Suisham is finished. His head is gone.

I only started watching again after most of the big stars were eliminated. It's so nice to see such great team play. The team has really played well with second and third string guys. Wonderful to see.

Oh, and LaRon, make sure you clap after you get beat twice on the same play. Can you say free safety??

Posted by: querious | December 6, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

sick... goodell must have it our for snyder because the refs continue to stick it to the skins... add to that the huge choke by JC and the missed gimmy by the kicker whose name shall never be mentioned by me... and it is another loss. By the way a good quaterback on the other team had just driven his team down the field to tie late in the game... why do the skins never do that? who is that on? It must be the chunky soup that makes the skins choke.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | December 6, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

sick... goodell must have it our for snyder because the refs continue to stick it to the skins... add to that the huge choke by JC and the missed gimmy by the kicker whose name shall never be mentioned by me... and it is another loss. By the way a good quaterback on the other team had just driven his team down the field to tie late in the game... why do the skins never do that? who is that on? It must be the chunky soup that makes the skins choke.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | December 6, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Oops, sorry for my double post. ;(

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

LL can't play linebacker...he'd be outweighed by 35 pounds and he doesn't wrap up anyway. Learn the game...They'd run at him all day and all night if he was on the weak side.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 6, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

You should be proud of this team. They played really hard against the best team in the NFL and almost defeated them. The game wasn't fixed, and the announcers praised the Redskins over and over, despite being a close game.

Posted by: mrchulin | December 6, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

It happens sometimes Rachel.

Posted by: ramatana | December 6, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

BLOW IT UP!!!!

Posted by: TheSuperhoo | December 6, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I did ask Cindy Boren the question, no response yet. As to you haters: Go cheer for the Cowboys.

Posted by: TerpsfanstuckinNC | December 6, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Wow everytime we seem to be on some kind of streak either to loose it all or to win it all something upsets the applecart. I still believe we need to get rid of all these prima-donas's i.e. Clinton Tortoise, Chris "i am always hurt by game 4 " Samuels. and the rest of the lot that haven't done nothing in the past 3 years. These new young guys are our future. Oh don't think for a moment i have forgotten you, yes you, that bum Jim Zorn. Get out of town now.

Posted by: ellensamm | December 6, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

JC still has never won a close game.. Or made a comeback.. That INT in the last few minutes was a JC classic choke/panic trademark game-changing collapse. He threw the ball RIGHT into the NO defender's hands.. No effort had to be made to INT it. Similar to his Dallas INTs.

Look at his failure record the last 2 years in close games...he is batting a 1000. No wonder he ranks in red zone TDs, according to Boswell, 211th out of 214 QBs in the history of the NFL that have 900 or more pass attempts.

Whatever team gets him next year, will be suckered by his QB Rating...mucho padded stats.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 6, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Let's look at the bright side. They're playing sooooo much better than before. They had the lead for most of the Dallas, Philly, and today's game. Three good teams. They actually look like a good, competitive team. They just need to work on putting the finishing touches on a victory and not letting the team back in. That's their biggest problem.

But what if they were playing the way they were the first 6 games? It'd be much more depressing.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Say whatever you want. This game was lost by Zorn. Zorn has no business involved in any part of the game day process.

Tough INT by JC, but can't fault his play today.

SS needs to be cut. Always chokes under pressure.

LL cannot play free safety. Either move him to strong safety or trade his ass.

But through it all is Zorn and his misuse of TO, bad play calling in critical times and conservative play calling.

F Zorn, then Fire his azz!

Posted by: Curzon417


Curz, "YES!" with your rant on Zorn! I can't stand this dumb b*stard. He hasn't a f-ing clue on how to coach, I'm sayin', why the f would you call THREE running plays during that sequence before the end of regulation. WTF are you relying on Suisham for? Has he ever proved to be clutch? Hell f-ing NO! So why not at 3-8 go all in, and just take ONE shot at the end zone to go up by 14?

But NO, Zorn is ass bama ass muthafugga! They need to fire his STUPID ass tomorrow!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Positives taken from the game:

1. Devin Thomas
2. JC's play
3. The O-Line
4. The Ref's got jumped in the parking lot after the game.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 6, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

We knew execution was a problem for us at the beginning of the season, but the past two weeks and today have clearly shown that our players, not our coaches, are failing to execute.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 6, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Well that's the new Ed Hochuli rule. They changed it this offseason to allow the refs to make up for a call when the replay shows they blew the whistle too early. The TV announcers were very poor on explaining the play. Obviously there's some problems with the rule since once the whistle blew, Sellers and others stopped trying to recover the ball.Should players keep fighting for the ball after every whistle just in case it's overturned later because of this poorly developed rule?

Posted by: goatdiddler | December 6, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: CapsLust | December 6, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

No freakin way N.O should have gotten that fumble on two counts. 1. Sellers forearm was clearly down as the announcers kept saying. 2. BEFORE it was recovered, the play was stopped and blown dead. Everyone stopped at the whistle and then it was recovered. WTF? Oh, and Suisham is the anti-christ. I'm so used to blaming JC and now I can't. I disoriented.

Posted by: nixx46 | December 6, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

NOT A CATCH in the first half

NOT A FUMBLE in overtime

THE REFS F'd US OVER FOR THE THIRD STRAIGHT GAME.

It's like there's a conspiracy where the redskins just aren't exciting enough, so for the sake of the league call every play possible in favor of the EXCITING saints so they stay undefeated. F those refs straight to hell.

Posted by: rexforab | December 6, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis kinda called suisham out

"we shoulda made the kick, and it'd be over"

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

can't cry about Sellers' fumble - that's the Ed Hockulee (sp?) rule. Skins will be thankful for this loss in April. At least the offensive play-calling is NFL caliber now. Our defense - which was supposd to carry the team this year - can't make a stop when it counts.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 6, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Re RedDMV post - Zorn ran the ball three times on the 4th qtr drive because no one was expecting Suisham to miss a chip shot, and since the Saints had no time outs it's probably what most coaches would have done.

Posted by: ramatana | December 6, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

If the players and coaches (namely ZORN) execute better, they win the game, and there would be no need to blame the referees.

Zorn, then Suisham, then Sellers was the reason they lost the game today.

Zorn after today, his playcalling at the end of regulation has GOT to go.

Moore? I know a lot of people would like to blame him, but that was totally fluke. If he would've just went to the ground... but EVEN AFTER THAT the game was still for the Redskins to win...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Have to say it was an entertaining game and the first one I actually wasted 3 hrs on Sunday to watch in weeks. But, we lost bc we are a bad team and made plays that bad teams make. It's as if you know that whatever can go wrong will and, therefore, as some have said Zorn needs to play to win and not to lose. I said to my friend when SS was lining up to kick the field goal "SS is going to miss this and NO is going to tie the game - I hope we win in OT." Literally just absolutely felt that in my bones. Sad.

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 6, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Red, I told my wife what zorn was going to do once it was first and goal. said he would be conservative and play for the field goal.

Swissham gave zorn exactly what zorn deserves a missed field goal.

You have to take at least two shots at it. And even if you run the ball, run it from a different formation, not one that is all bunched up like that.

F Zorn and his aw-shucks attitude. F'n gomer pile bitc h that he is.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Well, let's see. one minute left in regulation I turn to my son and say. "Campbell will throw and interception." Guess what happened? Maybe if Laron would stop trash talking when he makes a hit 11 yards down the field and concentrate on playing the game he will be better off. What part of "safety" don't you understand Laron? Also, it is time to get rid of Sellers, nice hands. finally, why did Sherman Lewis call three running plays at the ten yard line. It didn't matter that suisham missed the field goal, the Saints would have recovered the onside kick and scored anyway. Jason Campbell actually played well......right up until the time he threw the pick as he always done in the fourth quarter. You saw the difference between an NFL QB (Brees) and a USFL QB ( Campbell ).

Posted by: rmcpks73 | December 6, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

heres a thought maybe the ref blew the whistle 50 something times to stop the saint defender from running to the endzone which he would have and then the game would have been over much sooner.....

Posted by: wschex | December 6, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

heres a thought maybe the ref blew the whistle 50 something times to stop the saint defender from running to the endzone which he would have and then the game would have been over much sooner.....

Posted by: wschex | December 6, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Gray says 7 plays lost the game for us. I agree. Calls out Suisham's P.A.T. range missed FG, which I of course agree with.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 6, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Stop blaming JC he did not lose this game dude was on point the whole game Moore's fumble right before the half,THE CHOKER(SS)MISSES A GIMME, AND THE REF'S BLOWING THE SELLERS SO CALLED FUMBLE THOSE MISCUE'S COST THE SKINS THIS GAME,that being said i'm happy for DT he played his azz off and Fred(Sleepy")Davis may replace Cap'n Cooley as JC favorite go to guy.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 6, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

finally, why did Sherman Lewis call three running plays at the ten yard line. It didn't matter that suisham missed the field goal,

Posted by: rmcpks73 | December 6, 2009 5:37

Zorn is on record that he calls the plays in the red zone. Those three run plays are on the idiot zorn.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

You know what, we might actually beat Oakland next week.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 6, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Re RedDMV post - Zorn ran the ball three times on the 4th qtr drive because no one was expecting Suisham to miss a chip shot, and since the Saints had no time outs it's probably what most coaches would have done.

Posted by: ramatana


No, I can't get on board with that rama.

I know one coach who would've tried to take a shot at the end zone, or at least throw it.

Bill Belichick.

Say what you want about him, but I wish Zorn was aggressive as him. HELL, I'm willing to bet that Sean Payton in that situation would've have thrown the ball or taken a shot at the end zone.

But NO! Zorn as usual plays the game not to LOSE and NOT TO WIN!

It doesn't matter what most coaches would've have done in that situation, because most coaches aren't 3-8, ya dig?

Take chances, say "f it" and let loose!

Even Jerry Gray says they find ways to lose.

Finding a way to lose = the makings of a bad team

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

JC put 30 points on the board with a 3rd string RB and a 5th string O-line. The kicker killed us. Not JC.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 6, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Suisham has cost the Redskins 2 game and should be fired...BUT...Redskins go robbed by the officials on 2 calls in this game! You cant beat the officials when they work against you.

Posted by: pquick6165 | December 6, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

We've had some painful losses but this ranks right up there. Don't blame Zorn. Moore gets an interception taken away from him and run in for a TD; Laron Landry gives up 2 TD's by playing dumb (again); the f*cking kicker misses a chip shot field goal that would have won the game; Sellers fumbles the ball after we win the coin toss; Jason Campbell (again) throws an interception when trying to take the team for a winning field goal; the defense (again) can't hold when it absolutely needs to hold. The team had every opportunity to win the damn game but incredulously, can't! F*cking amazing!!!!

Posted by: jfoster13 | December 6, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

THE KICKER LOST THIS GAME. STOP BLAMING OTHER PEOPLE. THERE IS A BIG RED HIGHLIGHTER ON THIS ENTIRE GAME: A MISSED P.A.T.-CHIP-SHOT-FREEBIE-ONE-POINT-RANGE-BUT-GET-THREE-POINTS FIELD GOAL.

SHAUN SUISHAM IS A LOSER. HE LOST TWO GAMES FOR US TWO WEEKS IN A ROW. JASON CAMPBELL SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO GO INTO OVERTIME TO WIN THIS GAME.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 6, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

2nd game playing for a field goal late instead of going for the jugular has hurt this team. That drive alone they make great calls and execution (Sherm), but get close and get scurred. A TD ends the game, or at least the threat of going for it opens up the field. Shameful loss, but when Swish misses that FG, you kinda felt it was over.

Posted by: pdfordiii | December 6, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

For the ninth time here I will list next year's needs, IMHO of course.

DRAFT

#1 - ERIC BERRY, FS, TENNESSEE.
#2 - Best RIGHT Tackle left on the board.
#4 - Another Tackle.
#5 - Best available LG.
#7 - LB or best available at any position (a sure starter with VC as GM).

FA in an uncapped year.

Best LT.
Best K.
Best OLB (the ORAKPO experiment is over).
Best CB.

If anyone thinks a new CHRIS SAMUELS is the best answer in the draft, let me point out how much LaRON LANDRY, and CARLOS ROGERS both love cheese. They bite on the stop every time because they want to feature run hits or underneath coverage first. We miss SEAN TAYLOR immensely, and I know he's one in a life-time, but we need the next best thing. Someone like BERRY who defends the deep ball first and run second.

And, least anyone thinks I have forgotten, is there any doubt we need a great K in FA? Did today's game remind you?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 6, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

To Quote Peyton Manning, "Idiot Kicker"

MY list for Goats of the Game (GOG)
1. Zorn
2. LL
3. Suisham
4. Sellers (forearm down, still sucks)
5. Moore (although wasn't a catch)

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

If that ain't snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, I don't know what is.

Posted by: chris_rollins2k3 | December 6, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

You take shots at it and you risk interceptions in the end zone - for 0 points. Coach made right decision.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

ramatana really I think the mentality in the red zone should be to score TDs not FGs. Granted it was an easy FG and a professionally kicker should make it, but again play to score TDs. Particularly when playing against an offense that's very explosive, and more importantly when the skins offensively were balling out.


Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

MyPostIDisAfake- I agree with you. The reason why I say Suisham is to blame is because even though LL (and Smoot) were pretty bad at times... with all their mistakes the score was 30-23. Suisham has one job and that's to make the FG to put us up by 10. Even though the Saints scored the TD, what are the chances they get the onside kick? It would've been over. GRRRRR.

I do want Jason Campbell back. He's been very good the last few games.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Who Dat Talkin Bout Beatin dos Saints Who Dat

Vivent longtemps les saints!!!!!!!

Posted by: gjnyc | December 6, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, I am w/you on 1-3. No need to go further than that IMO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I believe it's a 1/3 chance they recover an onside kick.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

THE NFL IS FIXED. RIGGED. JUST LIKE PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING. SUISHAMS MISS? RIGGED. BREAK OUT BY DEVIN--FIXED? OH YEAH FIXED. IF THE REFEREE IS MAKING A JUDGEMENT CALL UNDER THE HOOD, WHY DOES HE NEED A HEAD SET? SO HE CAN BE TOLD WHAT TO SEE AND WHAT TO SAY? HAYNESWORTH DOES NOT EVEN RUSH ON MANY OF THOSE PLAYS. HE STANDS UP AND WATCHES. GOES DOWN FOR A COMMERCIAL BREAK THEN BACK IN THE GAME> FIXED, MODERN DAY THEATER FOR THE BLUE COLLAR BEER SWILLING MASSES.

Posted by: DownTownClown | December 6, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

When it's Smootie's fault, when it's Landry's fault (when isn't it?), when it's Haynesworth's fault, when it's Campbell's or Suisham's fault --

in other words, when it's everyone's but no one's fault ---

it's the coach.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 6, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 6, 2009 5:47 P

I like your list, but I'd go Dt over FS in the 1st, and FS as a FA pick up.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Laissez les bon temps roulez

Posted by: gjnyc | December 6, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2009 5:50 PM

I say this every week and I'll say it again.

You don't play for FG's, you settle for FG's.

This is why Zorn is a loser, you have to play to win.

Yes, you need to run clock, but if they went with PA on 1st with a high % pass it's an easy TD and a win.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

All you people b*tching about the Sellers fumble being a dead play need to chill.

It has been a rule for several years that a change of possession can be reviewed, even if the play was whistled dead. It was a legit review, legit fumble and legit call. The ball was, indeed, coming out prior to the forearm hitting the turf.

That being said, the Saints should NOT have been awarded a timeout, since it was a booth review and not a challenge.

With THAT having been said, it did not surprise me after the missed FG that the 'Skins would lose this game. I have to give them credit -- they find all kinds of creative ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It made me sick, but it was not surprising in the least.

There is plenty of blame to go around for this one, no need to focus on just the Sellers fumble.

Posted by: paperboy76 | December 6, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

For the ninth time here I will list next year's needs, IMHO of course.

DRAFT

#1 - ERIC BERRY, FS, TENNESSEE.
#2 - Best RIGHT Tackle left on the board.
#4 - Another Tackle.
#5 - Best available LG.
#7 - LB or best available at any position (a sure starter with VC as GM).

FA in an uncapped year.

Best LT.
Best K.
Best OLB (the ORAKPO experiment is over).
Best CB.

If anyone thinks a new CHRIS SAMUELS is the best answer in the draft, let me point out how much LaRON LANDRY, and CARLOS ROGERS both love cheese. They bite on the stop every time because they want to feature run hits or underneath coverage first. We miss SEAN TAYLOR immensely, and I know he's one in a life-time, but we need the next best thing. Someone like BERRY who defends the deep ball first and run second.

And, least anyone thinks I have forgotten, is there any doubt we need a great K in FA? Did today's game remind you?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 6, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse


Drafting Berry 1st (as talented as he is) is the last thing we need. You build through the lines! If Okung isn't there, trade back and get one in the middle of the first and get more picks. Lines! Lines! Lines!

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 6, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

You take shots at it and you risk interceptions in the end zone - for 0 points. Coach made right decision.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 6, 2009 5:49 PM

That's some chicken sh!t coaching you're advocating there. Let's not pass or we may through a pick. BS!

Zorn cries because the play calling was taken away from him and that is his favorite part of coaching and then he is afraid to call plays? He is a pu$$y as a playcaller and needs to have ALL of his game day duties away.

Too bad Dan hates zorn cause I would like to see zorn watching the game from Dan's box and not interfering with the rhythm that the two Sherms have built.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

this loss is on 2 people. landry and suisham. i also place a tremendous amount of the blame on blache. all season long everyone has been saying "move landry to strong safety" but no......they insist on keeping him at free safety. he bit on 2 double moves that cost us 14 pts. rogers only bit on 1 double move and he was benched. what the fuqq! and can anyone tell me why for the 2nd week in a row, we settled for a field goal instead of trying to get a td? after the tryon pick last week, the sherm wanted to settle for 3 fuqqin points. did he not learn anything from suisham's 2 missed fg's the few weeks ago? everytime suisham comes on the field i get nervous. i strongly disagree w/ going for the fg. i say run up the score. the defense for any team gets paid millions of dollars so it's their job to stop the march! for those of you that are sick of landry, just think about the sack he got on brees. he threw his shoulder at him. why not put your body in it and wrap the tackle. i don't care of he made plays and danced. it's overshadowed by each and every blown play. he really cost us today and jerry gray and coach blache need to sit him for the remainder of the season!

Posted by: charronegro1971 | December 6, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Are you out of you rabid a** mind, Oakland beat Pittsburg. Why would you think going cross country to a wild a** stadium we can win? Our best games are now behind us. We should of beaten N.O. and that all!

Posted by: ellensamm | December 6, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Why be so surprised, They play like a losing team that does not know how to win, the coaches are too inexperienced and don't know how to win through on these games like experiences coaches can, the old timers need to move on. So A lot of talk has gone on all season about blowing things up (starting at the top). I don't think that one thing has changed and this should still happen. Yes the players are playing better but its too late. These guys are now playing to keep their job. We have now seen the real deal so we see you players as well. We need a new GM, Experienced Football people, Experienced Coach who is aggressive and attacks both on defense and Offense. So I think we say good buy to Portis, Shuawn S, Mike Sellers, Jason C. Coach Z, half of the O line, Buy Vinny, Buy Scouting Dept, Buy Hall, Buy Smoot, Buy Landry, Buy Rodgers. What does this leave us. Clearing with these guys we were not a playoff team so who cares. We need new players to be established under a new coach who can develop the coaches ideals and attitude (which is why we need an aggressive coach). There is no more time to hear about hart, fighting guts out,there's been signs of improvement by certain Players etc, because these kinds of guts don't win here in Washington. Finally Mr. Synder, how does it feel. have you figured it out yet. We want a complete over hall. We will (you will) never win in DC until you use your money the right way like Mr. Cooke and then stay away.

Posted by: awebb004 | December 6, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

If anyone thinks a new CHRIS SAMUELS is the best answer in the draft, let me point out how much LaRon LANDRY, and CARLOS ROGERS both love cheese. They bite on the stop every time because they want to feature run hits or underneath coverage first. We miss SEAN TAYLOR immensely, and I know he's one in a life-time, but we need the next best thing. Someone like BERRY who defends the deep ball first and run second.

And, least anyone thinks I have forgotten, is there any doubt we need a great K in FA? Did today's game remind you?

Posted by: glawrence007


At first, I was like, they should draft a OL, if all the surefire aren't gone.

Right now, according to most draft boards there is only one or two. And as bad as the Redskins have played this season, the Buccaneers, the Raiders, the Lions, the Browns, and the Rams have worse records then the 'Skins, so there is no reason to believe that they would pick no higher than 5th. If that being the case you gotta think that the most talented OL would probably be gone by then.

I'm saying, just because the OL played their asses off today, it doesn't mean that they're still lacking depth and quality starters. Indeed, they most definitely need to draft offensive linemen, but if Berry or Mays is available when they draft, I just don't see how you pass up on those guys.

Move LaRon to his natural position at strong safety. Have Mays or Berry (preferably Berry) as FS to provide adequate coverage.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: paperboy76 | December 6, 2009 5:54 PM

The rule is not in question. His forearm was down. Got it?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Suisham is a professional athlete that played unprofessionally.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 6, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Laron Landry and Carlos Rogers were shown on the sidelines after Laron gave up a TD on a deep Brees throw. They were both shown motioning their hands as saying to each other it was a double move...

red, I kid you not, I thought the EXACT SAME THING. 2 td's LL bit on that were double moves.

This loss is on him, Suisham, and Sellers. Can't let a guy get that open behind you, can't miss a 23 yarder, and can't fumble the ball in OT.

Ol looked good, as did the triplets...they need to put up same type of yardage next week as well sigh...oh well I guess...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Sit Landry. Cut Suisham.

Posted by: pyrotech | December 6, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

How come no one is talking about playing for the field goal that we missed? NO killer instinc...No toss sweep to kill time. no Fad with Mitchell activated? Poor play calling again at the end of the game..
On the last drive in regulation, we need 10 yards for a FG chance and we throw a pick..Bad play calling...period..

Posted by: Dkessler1 | December 6, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst, most blatant fixing of a game I have ever seen. Yes it is ridiculous that Suisham missed and we probably would have lost either way, but was I the only one who heard the ref repeatedly blow the whistle like 50 times as soon as Sellers hit the ground. That means the play is dead and cant be overturned. Its a clear and simple rule. For some reason the announcers didn't even mention it which I thought was pretty fishy right away, and then they overturn it? Someone explain how this could happen. There are cameras out there, its not like we didn't see what happened. Someone explain how thats legal? I am so confused and I expected us to lose in OT but to see an NFL game be blatantly fixed like that is something I have never witness and makes me sad for this sport. Someone tell me I was hallucinating all 50 of those whistles to kill the play.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 6, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse
____________________________

A coach can't throw challenge flag when there's 2 minutes left in the half, so any review is booth review. I thought the rules that were announced for OT said there could be no challenges, only booth review.

I also thought Redskins got the ball snapped before timeout was whistled, and there was SO MUCH TIME ELAPSED on "booth review-to-field-review" that certainly
Goodell had time to call someone and tell them how to call it.

I do think the story line works better having 2 undefeated teams, so it was inevitable N.O. would win this game.

Sellers CAUGHT THE BALL cleanly. He got hit and starts to fall. Play whistled dead.

The ONLY REASON there was a booth review was because FOX SPORTS showed a replay and the announcer (who was that guy who kept thinking Daniels was Haynesworth?) said, hey, wait a minute.... Suspiciously, booth review called for right after that.

So, I go along with conspiracy theorists on this....

Posted by: Xlnt | December 6, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

WR Robert Meachem on the Saints receivers making double moves on the Redskins safeties: "It was something that came up Wednesday. Their safeties are good, but we saw how aggressive they were with pump fakes. They bit twice and we got two scores."

nothing you can do about that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

This sucks, but realisticly....every year there are teams that can't get a break. This year we are one of those teams and we're not good enough to overcome them. Not aggressive enough play calling(notice the Saints running the ball to the one foot line in OT and not kicking a 30 yard field goal)not good enough special teams(kicker), defenders with hands of stone. If we can fine tune these guys we'll be a playoff team next year.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 6, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with the play calling which was decent most of the day for a change, even near the end to set up the FG. Actually managed the clock well and there is no excuse to miss a point after for no apparent reason.

JC did use his legs better today, and was fun to watch, but he choked again under pressure. If he can't fix that by the end of the season, he needs to go. I just don't see that clutch look in his eyes when the pressure is on.

Agree with above that there was very obviously no interception at end of first half, though also no excuse for not knowing BASIC ball handling skills. Also, no fumble from Sellers.

The Skins crushed the lame NO Saints even worse then they really beat Dallas and Philly. I can't argue with those two losses because the kicker is also not clutch or the defense gives up a couple big plays, but to lose on a blatantly wrong call after beating NO to a pulp, is obscene.

It's all on Suisham, and on the NFL. IT IS TIME FOR THE FANS TO PUT FINANCIAL HEAT ON THE NFL AND MAKE THEM PUT RESOURCES INTO FULL TIME PROFESSIONAL REFS. NEED A WEBSITE, EMAIL CAMPAIGN AND BOYCOTT OF SOME KIND TO GET THERE ATTENTION.

Posted by: querious | December 6, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

nothing you can do about that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2009 6:05 PM

FS on this team is all about being disciplined..something LL clearly is not.

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for Kareem Moore. He makes a spectacular interception but the other team scores.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 6, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I just looked through many of these post. This player, that player etc. It seems to be the same mistakes from the same players. That is why it is time to start over from top to bottom. I am tired of hearing the excuses that its Jason, the place kicker, the coach, Carlos rogers, bad taking smoot, no tackling Hall, bad O line, the year after year mistake in the redzone, the penalty that proves costly,the curse that we are in. I am beginning to wonder which Indian Tribe out there has put a Curse Dance on us since we dont want the team name to be anything but REDSKINS. We brought back Joe G. that does not work, we lose Sean T. and on and on and on. Start over. Grow a new attitude with new players and a few of of younger guys left here, and a new coach, GM, front office of experienced people. If this is done. We can be back in the playoffs in 2 years.

Posted by: awebb004 | December 6, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

The skins played a decent enough game and though there's debate on a few play decisions (and ref calls!), you got to admit that Suisham has blown short FG attempts late in the 4th qtr in two of the last three games. I'm just saying...

Posted by: ladylavendar | December 6, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

JC did plenty for this team to win.

Hang it on alot of people. But not him.

Posted by: keithrjackson | December 6, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Five letters:

PAT FG

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 6, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Bean, on the WaPo live, they were clowning the "double move" thing. I mean after a loss like this, this is a classic laugh to stop from crying...

Why is it that only Redskins DBs are the only ones to continuously bite on double moves. I'm sure other DBs in the league do, but the 'Skins are the only team that when they do it just royally f's everything up!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

rmcpks73, while i can agree w/ your anger about the loss, blaming campbell isn't really much to blame. blaming landry is spot on though. he pulled a carlos rogers and bit on 2 double moves that cost the defense 14 fuqqin pts. there's one play of interest and perhaps your consider. when a defender was pushed into randle el on the one punt return, the refs picked up the flagged and say "because the player was pushed". but a few weeks ago, westbrook was pushed into randle el and the ball hit him and the play stood. what the fuqq was that about. the pick today by kareem moore was actually an incomplete pass as the ball hit the ground before he had possession but they allowed the play to go on. and have you ever wondered why landry still plays fs in stead of ss? landry has no discipline and spends too much time trying to be a playmaker. minus the pick, campbell played an outstanding game and d thomas really impressed me. i'm still waiting to see m kelly score a td.

Posted by: charronegro1971 | December 6, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

The secret is out on the Redskins secondary. They are "double move" prone... RATS 'cause they just go for the cheese in the trap EVERYTIME!

Redskins secondary. Rat fu**ers!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I just want to make sure I'm clear on a few things..

So, with no timeouts remaining for NO (or forcing them to take timeouts) and inside of two minutes and with a 7 point lead and a chippy field goal attempt to use as insurance, you IDIOTS want Zorn/Campbell to put the ball up with the chance of it getting picked off, or stopping the clock (and thus giving the ball back to Brees)and possibly giving Brees more time?

No, you do exactly what Zorn said. You run it three times. Three things can happen. You score a running touchdown, you get stopped short (but the clock keeps ticking) or you fumble.

Ask any other coach in the NFL (maybe not Belichek!) and they do exactly what Zorn did. You can't gameplan for a kicker missing what amounts to PAT to put you up by two scores with 1:45 to play.

The fact that the Redskins threw up all over themselves on the FG attempt is pretty much par for the course. Zorn made the right call. The game was over. Suisam screwed it up, not Zorn..

Oh and also, as has been explained (thank God) the rule has changed on whistles blowing plays dead. Try and keep up...

Posted by: ARickey | December 6, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The rule is not in question. His forearm was down. Got it?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the forearm was down. But the ball was coming out PRIOR to forearm being down. The ball was clearly moving as soon as he was hit in the thigh. I am a passionate Redskins fan but I'm also rational and have to call it as I see it. Many here disagree, and I respect that.

And, if you read the comments, Riggo, the rule WAS in question.

To wit:

Can someone explain to me how they can give the Saints the ball even after the whistle is blown multiple times BEFORE New Orleans picks it up?

Posted by: phooter | December 6, 2009 5:08 PM


... was I the only one who heard the ref repeatedly blow the whistle like 50 times as soon as Sellers hit the ground. That means the play is dead and cant be overturned. Its a clear and simple rule. For some reason the announcers didn't even mention it which I thought was pretty fishy right away, and then they overturn it? Someone explain how this could happen. There are cameras out there, its not like we didn't see what happened. Someone explain how thats legal? ...

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 6, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse


It was obvious to me that Seller's "fumble" was blown dead by the ref. The play ended with the whistle. Why was Jim Zorn not out there protesting his ass off like a head coach should do?

Posted by: ramatana | December 6, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Got it?

Bottom line...it should NEVER have gotten to that point.

Let's Go Caps!!!!!

Posted by: paperboy76 | December 6, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

red, there isn't progression, only regression...I mean, when Meachem says what he said after the game, you only had to laugh....i mean, its not like its so BLATANTLY OBVIOUS us morons on here notice it or anything

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 6, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Wasnt Snyder was one of the owners that voted against the Refs pay raise request, last year?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

NOT A CATCH in the first half

NOT A FUMBLE in overtime

THE REFS F'd US OVER FOR THE THIRD STRAIGHT GAME.

It's like there's a conspiracy where the redskins just aren't exciting enough, so for the sake of the league call every play possible in favor of the EXCITING saints so they stay undefeated. F those refs straight to hell.

Posted by: rexforab | December 6, 2009 5:33 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 6, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

@ rachel216
Davis didn't kinda call him out.
HE FLAT OUT CALLED HIM OUT!

However, did you hear JZ making excuses for the missed FG?

The snap was a little high, the ball was placed on the ground on a slant, blah blah blah!

JZ is a Wussy!

No true professional football player wants to play for a soft coach!

Bye, Bye JZ
so glad to see you go!!!

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | December 6, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Curzon you couldn't be more right...
And I was thinking the same thing after that drive when it was 27-20. I was thinking for a moment that their might have been a shift in ideology. Of course, I should have known better and shouldn't have got so excited because now I am just plain pissed off. Here you have a quaterback playing out of his mind with three touchdowns and you don't give him a chance at the end zone on a 3rd and 1 with all the momentum going in your direction?? not to mention the fact that when playing against one of the most potent offenses in the league you need touchdowns. It was a pivotal moment and a touchdown their would have sealed the victory. The saints had no desire to win this game it was surely ours to lose. We had two chances to put them out of their misery tonight and we chose to go with the highly touted "make them beat us" conservative route that is really just a cover for lack of faith in the offense and has resulted in painfully abysmal losses that ruin Sunday afternoons. The truth is if you try and make a team like the saints beat you they will that's the bottom line. hears a thought Why don't we try to win instead of leaving it up to our opponent? After that drive when we went conservative I called the loss which I would hope many fans can do at this point.Its quite clear to me and even if you were scared of your quarterback making mistakes early in the season at this what the hell is there to loose?? why not let your quarterback make some plays so we can actually win or lose a game and not feel like we were robbed by the officials!!?!? Don't blame suisham and don't blame the refs for this loss there are far deeper underlying issues at the coaching and management levels that are far more telling.

Posted by: Jswish528 | December 6, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

So painful its hard to know where to begin. It's hard to believe that the team's leadership can actually consider not releasing Suisam. There must be someone out there than can hit what amounts to a PAT distance field goal. To have that happen in two games in the past 3 weeks can't be coincidence!!!!!!

Given the length of time spent in the replay booth on both calls (Meacham play and Sellers fumble) tells me the officials wanted to find a way to justify calls which would place the AINTs in a favorable position to remain undefeated. It's in the leagues best interest.

Posted by: redskindoc | December 6, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ARickey | December 6, 2009 6:14 PM

You have your 3rd or 4th string RB (and the 4th string guy has been on the team all of 4 weeks) and you line up for what is an obvious run and expect to move the ball w/this beat up OL?

Fine, run three plays, but at least make the other team have to protect for a pass.

And when you are 3-8, what do you gain from being conservative? You think if the Skins win this game that they are going to the playoffs?

Please, Zorn's play calling sucks. No way around that. Stop sounding like the bama that zorn is.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Ugh...I just...oh man...I really feel sick to my stomach...

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 6, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The ONLY REASON there was a booth review was because FOX SPORTS showed a replay and the announcer (who was that guy who kept thinking Daniels was Haynesworth?) said, hey, wait a minute.... Suspiciously, booth review called for right after that.

So, I go along with conspiracy theorists on this....

Posted by: Xlnt | December 6, 2009 6:04 PM


Seriously??? Can we get off this conspiracy thing? It is a VERY common tactic in the NFL for a coach to call a timeout in order to "force" a booth review in OT and at the end of halves. Our beloved Redskins have done the same. Get the F over it, we lost this game prior to that call. We lost it the day we drafted Rogers and Landry, among others. We lost it the day Danny bought the team and hired Vinny.

Posted by: paperboy76 | December 6, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Way to choke Suisham. Second game you have cost us in three weeks. I'd like to karate cross-chop you in the throat.

Good game; crappy outcome. Why TF not go for the end-zone a few times when we were on the 5...bootleg or play-action pass to a corner. They've got to roll Campbell one way or the other on those opportunities. Geesh.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 6, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

my list of the goats of the game:
1. the bloggers who call the Skins losers
2. the bloggers who criticize Zorn for anything in this game. He designed a beautiful offensive game plan that failed to upset the unbeatable Saints only because of four freakish plays, two of which were abetted by officiating errors. The guy who critized Zorn for not going for the win at the end is truly out of his mind. To be up 10 at that point was all the Skins needed to be.
Finally, if any of you turkeys had class, besides apologizing to Campbell, you would apologize to Vinny for all your obnoxious remarks all year.

Posted by: richardshaker | December 6, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

ARickey, in a close game like this where 1 score separates a tie score or an extended lead, i say go for the extended lead. i'd rather take a chance on a pass getting picked in the end zone where our players are closely packed and we could tackle but not taking a chance underminds the confidence in what the qb can do. and when you consider that campbell CAN move unlike collins, a bootleg play would've worked well also. as wayne gretzky said "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take". we've done it twice this season. and there's no wonder teams don't respect us.

Posted by: charronegro1971 | December 6, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I will say this. I truly believe the SKINS outplayed the AINT's and lost and unfair fight to the "Replay Booth"!!!! Even though I am choking and gagging as I write this, if the AINT's are still unbeaten in a few weeks when they face the cowboys, I will be rooting for the cowboys. That's how pissed I am, and how much I believe they truly did not earn the win!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: redskindoc | December 6, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I will say this. I truly believe the SKINS outplayed the AINT's and lost and unfair fight to the "Replay Booth"!!!! Even though I am choking and gagging as I write this, if the AINT's are still unbeaten in a few weeks when they face the cowboys, I will be rooting for the cowboys. That's how pissed I am, and how much I believe they truly did not earn the win!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: redskindoc | December 6, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

anyone hear about vinny ripping into zorn after the game, just heard that over the radio on 92.7...maybe it was just me.

Posted by: fballterp04 | December 6, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

When you are winning the game by throwing, why do you get conservative and run at the end? They should have tried to punch that last drive in regulation in for a touchdown. They knew who they were playing and there should have been no let up. They gave a valiant effort but it brings to mind that old Lombardi quote: "Winning is a habit, so is losing". The Redskins have made losing a habit.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 6, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

JC is definitely better than E.Manning, I think he will come back next season, but then I am not sure how he will perform in a new offense. I have been saying that the defense is not good. we need to fill so many positions that is going to be impossible through the draft and FA. However, we can say that aside from OL and RB (hahaha,what is left) we have a better offense then we had in the past several years. we have a young qb, receivers, TE, and some good O-linemen. the problem with D is the DC, he cannot make the group perform better. I think that cower will make this team much better next season. NO to R.Shanahan (sp).

Posted by: Skins2 | December 6, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I just want to make sure I'm clear on a few things..

So, with no timeouts remaining for NO (or forcing them to take timeouts) and inside of two minutes and with a 7 point lead and a chippy field goal attempt to use as insurance, you IDIOTS want Zorn/Campbell to put the ball up with the chance of it getting picked off, or stopping the clock (and thus giving the ball back to Brees)and possibly giving Brees more time?

No, you do exactly what Zorn said. You run it three times. Three things can happen. You score a running touchdown, you get stopped short (but the clock keeps ticking) or you fumble.

Ask any other coach in the NFL (maybe not Belichek!) and they do exactly what Zorn did. You can't gameplan for a kicker missing what amounts to PAT to put you up by two scores with 1:45 to play.

The fact that the Redskins threw up all over themselves on the FG attempt is pretty much par for the course. Zorn made the right call. The game was over. Suisam screwed it up, not Zorn..

Oh and also, as has been explained (thank God) the rule has changed on whistles blowing plays dead. Try and keep up...

Posted by: ARickey | December 6, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

EXACTLY!!!! Zorn made the right call. Up 10 with less than 2 minutes and no timeouts, GAME OVER. Another one on Suisham.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 6, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

redskindoc:

I will never root for the Cowboys...it's not in my DNA. You are upset reskindoc, but you'll come to your senses when you cool down.

F the Cowboys!

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 6, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead- Exactly. I wish they went for the knockout punch.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

ok.. only if Vinny apologizes first for the last 10 years of ineptitude. And in advance for what will surely be another incredibly stupid 1st round Draft pick this April. Probably a DT or punter.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Finally, if any of you turkeys had class, besides apologizing to Campbell, you would apologize to Vinny for all your obnoxious remarks all year.

Posted by: richardshaker | December 6, 2009 6:29 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 6, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Seriously??? Can we get off this conspiracy thing? It is a VERY common tactic in the NFL for a coach to call a timeout in order to "force" a booth review in OT and at the end of halves. Our beloved Redskins have done the same. Get the F over it, we lost this game prior to that call. We lost it the day we drafted Rogers and Landry, among others. We lost it the day Danny bought the team and hired Vinny.

Posted by: paperboy76 | December 6, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse
_______________________________

So, what are you saying? A predestination theory?

Posted by: Xlnt | December 6, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

You conspiracy theorists need to stop. My god!!! Suisham cost us two of the last three games. Accept it.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 6, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Punter Hunter Smith is still tied for the team lead in rushing touchdowns (for all active players). Maybe he should have gotten the ball at the goal line. He would have punched it in and gotten the Skins up by 14.

Posted by: TJ1743 | December 6, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ARickey | December 6, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

EXACTLY!!!! Zorn made the right call. Up 10 with less than 2 minutes and no timeouts, GAME OVER. Another one on Suisham.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 6, 2009 6:38 PM

You guys fail to realize that even if Suisham made the kick...the Saints would have scored, recovered the onside kick, kicked a FG, and then won in OT.

How else could you explain the events of today?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

hey, dont feel so bad all you 'skins fans...its happened 11 times before you. and gonna happen to many other heart broken fans. dem saints are for real and kicking ass and breaking hearts all over. redskins? just another vitim

Posted by: kenyalover2003 | December 6, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

hey, dont feel so bad all you 'skins fans...its happened 11 times before you. and gonna happen to many other heart broken fans. dem saints are for real and kicking ass and breaking hearts all over. redskins? just another victim

Posted by: kenyalover2003 | December 6, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

EXACTLY!!!! Zorn made the right call. Up 10 with less than 2 minutes and no timeouts, GAME OVER. Another one on Suisham.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan


NO! Not exactly!

If you're 3-8, with no shot at making the playoffs, and playing with HOUSE MONEY, you go aggressive and take shots at the end zone. Again, why the f__k not?

So what if it stops the clock with an incomplete pass? And up to that point Jason Campbell was playing like a bama on fire! It's called giving your players confidence! You're up by 14, with the Saints with no timeouts... That completely ends the game, IMO! How many times have you seen a team comeback down by 14 with a little over or under 2 minutes remaining?

EXACTLY!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I said earlier that (based on today's performance) we have a good chance at beating the Raiders next week. I take it back. Raiders beat the Steelers 27-24. Granted, the Steelers are far worse than the Saints, but clearly the Raiders know how to win close games (especially by scoring 21 points in the fourth quarter).

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 6, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Curzon you couldn't be more right...
And I was thinking the same thing after that drive when it was 27-20. I was thinking for a moment that their might have been a shift in ideology. Of course, I should have known better and shouldn't have got so excited because now I am just plain pissed off. Here you have a quaterback playing out of his mind with three touchdowns and you don't give him a chance at the end zone on a 3rd and 1 with all the momentum going in your direction?? not to mention the fact that when playing against one of the most potent offenses in the league you need touchdowns. It was a pivotal moment and a touchdown their would have sealed the victory. The saints had no desire to win this game it was surely ours to lose. We had two chances to put them out of their misery tonight and we chose to go with the highly touted "make them beat us" conservative route that is really just a cover for lack of faith in the offense and has resulted in painfully abysmal losses that ruin Sunday afternoons. The truth is if you try and make a team like the saints beat you they will that's the bottom line. hears a thought Why don't we try to win instead of leaving it up to our opponent? After that drive when we went conservative I called the loss which I would hope many fans can do at this point.Its quite clear to me and even if you were scared of your quarterback making mistakes early in the season at this what the hell is there to loose?? why not let your quarterback make some plays so we can actually win or lose a game and not feel like we were robbed by the officials!!?!? Don't blame suisham and don't blame the refs for this loss there are far deeper underlying issues at the coaching and management levels that are far more telling.

Posted by: Jswish528 | December 6, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Romo is 5 and 10 in December play...including the playoffs (Aikmen, Fox, 2009).

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 6, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

hey skins fans...dont be so hard on your boys. its happened 11 times before you and gonna happen to more. dem saints are for real...gonna kick butt and take no prisoners. the redskins are just another victim...

Posted by: kenyalover2003 | December 6, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ARickey | December 6, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

EXACTLY!!!! Zorn made the right call. Up 10 with less than 2 minutes and no timeouts, GAME OVER. Another one on Suisham.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 6, 2009 6:38 PM

You guys fail to realize that even if Suisham made the kick...the Saints would have scored, recovered the onside kick, kicked a FG, and then won in OT.

How else could you explain the events of today?

Posted by: Diesel44


Bwahahahhahah, Dies... that's the way this whole season has been going! Thanks for pointing that out... I mean losses to the Lions, Chiefs... choking against Dallas in the 4th qtr... I mean, this is how the 'Skins roll. Why automatically assume that doing just a little will get you a win this season? It hasn't for the most part so far.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Smokeybear2

You don't understand, unfortunately I live in New Orleans right now. these people down here actually think this is a legendary great team. its not. They didn't deserve today's win. They must go down. Hopefully the Falcons next week will save me from that fate (not likely they way they got beat today). You're right I am very upset!!!!!!!!

Posted by: redskindoc | December 6, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

We know the Saints are good, but there is no question that we GAVE the victory to the Saints. With 2:00 left in the game, we were well on our way to winning it.

hey skins fans...dont be so hard on your boys. its happened 11 times before you and gonna happen to more. dem saints are for real...gonna kick butt and take no prisoners. the redskins are just another victim...

Posted by: kenyalover2003

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 6, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

KARMA...

Was against the Skins...

If Soup threw the ball down at the endzone it would have tipped three times to be intercepted by NO and returned for a TD....

Posted by: WRBD | December 6, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Vegasskins,
have you been watching the redskins at all this season. How many times have we played conservative and end up losing. Jason Campbell was playing too well not to give him a chance to win the game. You ask any other Coach in the league when they have a QB playing that well they let him try to make a play to close them out. Thats all the skins had to do score a touchdown and close the saints out not settle. Settling is a losing mentality and good coaches know when your team needs a touchdown.

Posted by: Jswish528 | December 6, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

hey skins fans...dont be so hard on your boys. its happened 11 times before you and gonna happen to more. dem saints are for real...gonna kick butt and take no prisoners. the redskins are just another victim...

Posted by: kenyalover2003


Like all that is prosperous through luck, the Saints will eventually run out...

F the Saints today... maybe in a few weeks, given what that city has been through, I can except them winning. But today, if they were to play the Vikings in the NFC title game... I'm purple people eating, ya dig?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Tank the rest of the games for the Tebow pick..
The dude is an emotional leader in the cut of Jurgensen.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 6, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Whew! Our offseason plan of trading away our top 5 pick for Jake Delhomme is still intact. That was a close one for us.

Now Danny Boy can say that because we almost beat a good team, Vinny will/should be back next year.

Serenity NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: freebull | December 6, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

hey smokey...dont know what planet youre from but 12-0 is the beginning of a legendary team there sport. Not saying they are there yet but as close as ANYONE can be. Doesnt matter if they deserve the win cause they took it anyway. When the final gun sounded..last i checked the Saints were ahead. Thats whats matetrs the most.

Posted by: kenyalover2003 | December 6, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

arggg

Posted by: WRBD | December 6, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

"EXACTLY!!!! Zorn made the right call. Up 10 with less than 2 minutes and no timeouts, GAME OVER."

it's not that kicking the fg is the wrong call, it's that not even attempting to score a td on downs 1-3 is playing it not to lose...and has resulted in losses everytime

Posted by: divi3 | December 6, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I imagine I am not alone when I saw the Suisham shank and thought we're done, we are going to lose afterall which is why my excitment at the Skins performance and lead was never full blown.

The Saints are emblematic of what a winning franchise looks like. They play to win every down and you can never count them out. Their HC is aggressive in play calling for 60 minutes. Their players never give on either side of the ball witness the Meachum strip and TD. And this was the classic trap game for them after the unbelievable perfomance against NE last Monday.

We are emblematic of a losing franchise. Even when we play well and some of the players are playing out of their heads we find a way make a hash out of it.

I think JC has been playing good to at time great the last few weeks and therefore we should bring him back next season and not waste top picks or money on another QB. O-line O-line O-line

I'm hoping that our play the last few weeks shows what could be done with many of these players and so Snyder if he pulls his head out of his patootie will be able to find a good GM and then a good HC and go from there...however I don't trust him at all so I'm not holding breath or crossing fingers or toes.

Posted by: sfskin | December 6, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey kenyalover2003

You sound like a typical AINT's fan. One really good season (which ain't over yet) and you think you're the greatest team of all time. Just show's you're not used to winning!!!!!!!! Remember the 2007 Patriots, oh that's right no one does, they couldn't win it all. You better get to Miami and get it done, or the rest of the world will soon forget!!!!!!!!

Posted by: redskindoc | December 6, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

NO TEBOW, let's not waste a draft pick. is there any chance that cower become the HC next year?

Posted by: Skins2 | December 6, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

redskindoc:

I know how you feel. I live in Albuquerque, NM. People act like what you described everyday about the Cowboys no matter their record. I feel you brother (or sister).

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 6, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Zorn or whoever is making the calls these days is completely to blame for this. There should have been no need for suisham have even needed to attempt a field goal to win it. That third down run play with all the momentum when it was 27-20 was the turning point in the game and it said it all. whoever is calling the plays effectively reiterated the fact that the coaching doesn't have faith in the qb and won't take the necessary risks to win a big game.

Posted by: Jswish528 | December 6, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Zorn or whoever is making the calls these days is completely to blame for this. There should have been no need for suisham have even needed to attempt a field goal to win it. That third down run play with all the momentum when it was 27-20 was the turning point in the game and it said it all. whoever is calling the plays effectively reiterated the fact that the coaching doesn't have faith in the qb and won't take the necessary risks to win a big game.

Posted by: Jswish528 | December 6, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Tank the rest of the games for the Tebow pick..
The dude is an emotional leader in the cut of Jurgensen.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 6, 2009 6:55 PM

I agree...If we can get him the 6th or 7th round and then put him at FB or TE, that would be spectacular.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

it's not that kicking the fg is the wrong call, it's that not even attempting to score a td on downs 1-3 is playing it not to lose...and has resulted in losses everytime

Posted by: divi3


What the homie above said...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 6, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Tebow = 2nd coming of Shuler

Posted by: WRBD | December 6, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"Tank the rest of the games for the Tebow pick..
The dude is an emotional leader in the cut of Jurgensen."

LOL! You would be a GM in the mold of Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: goatdiddler | December 6, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

I would rather win the game trying to win, then lose the game trying not to lose.

F Zorn! What does he know about play calling? Someone out of football for several years does a better job and you bamas want to say that zorn was right to run it three times straight?

F you bamas too!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 we don't need Tebow. Keep in forget the west coast offense, run the ball effectively and BUILD an OFFENSIVE LINE and he'll be fine. Remember Cutler and Sanchez ain't looking as good right now.

Posted by: redskindoc | December 6, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey Romo,

It's December calling, Oh nevermind, I see you got the message.

F Dallas

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

divi3- Agreed. They have a losing mindset. Campbell had been hot the entire game throwing in the red zone. Why not let him throw it again? When you play not to lose the game, you lose.

Didn't they learn from the Eagles game?

It is NOT crazy to suggest they should've threw into the endzone and shut the door on the Saints.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 6, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44..
you should be the Skins next GM...or Vinny's bagman....
Thats exactly what the Skins do.. Draft a marquee player and have him play a new position...ala Orakpo.
++++++++++++++++++++

Tank the rest of the games for the Tebow pick..
The dude is an emotional leader in the cut of Jurgensen.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 6, 2009 6:55 PM

I agree...If we can get him the 6th or 7th round and then put him at FB or TE, that would be spectacular.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 7:00 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 6, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

redskindoc...actually, i am not a saints fan, dont live in new orleans or even louisiana. I live in Dallas. And yes, I hate the Cowboys. Originally from Miami..hate both the Hurricanes and the Dolphins too. What you dont know is I am a Vikings fan. And to tell the truth...a little nervous about playing the Saints.
But, from all your posts...I understand why you all want to point fingers at somebody else. Isnt that hows its done in DC? Apparently our Congress must all be Redskins fans...

Posted by: kenyalover2003 | December 6, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I know how you feel. I live in Albuquerque, NM.

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Also in Albuquerque. Hate the cowgirls!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Exactly... playing not to lose is a losing mentality. and Saying oh here Mr. Breeze you have to beat us is a loosing mentality...

Posted by: Jswish528 | December 6, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Y'all know L. Landry grew up near New Orleans and played at LSU. Think maybe he tanked his coverage to keep the black & gold the "team of Destiny"????????????

Posted by: redskindoc | December 6, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

"After such a tough loss, do you think the Redskins will win again this season?"


I don't care if the redskins win another game this season.

I'm thinking long term.

I'm liking that because of injuries, the Class of '08 is showing us what they got.

And I like it.

I like it that now that the offense flows through Campbell, I see that 300 yard passing games are indeed possible--even when there's no real running game.

I like it that a good defense like the saints really got blocked by what most of us feel is a mediocre redskin offensive line.

I'd like to see Campbell re-signed, Marko, Kelly, Thomas, and Davis continue to jell.

I want Zorn head coaching next year with Sherm and Sherm running the offense.

I don't care to see Portis play ever agin in a redskin uniform.

S Moss will soon be a goner too, and I don't mind that.

Chris Cooley?: what is he worth in the open market as trade bait.

Because rather than winning for the short term with yesterday's stars, I'd rather the offense gets fixed with younger, faster players to where it's a legitimate threat every Sunday for the nexy couple of seasons.

'Cuz that's what long term thinking is all about.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 6, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 we don't need Tebow. Keep in forget the west coast offense, run the ball effectively and BUILD an OFFENSIVE LINE and he'll be fine. Remember Cutler and Sanchez ain't looking as good right now.

Posted by: redskindoc | December 6, 2009 7:05 PM

I was JOKING...Tebow is an alltime great college player and I said as a JOKE we should draft him in the 6th or 7th rd and play him at his NFL position which is TE.

Say NO to Tebow.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 6, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

This is a tough loss, but the (one) silver lining is that it makes it more harder for Cerrrato justify himself staying. It makes it harder for Snyder to not change anything or to keep Cerrato. If the team goes 3-13 or 4-12 I don't see how they can keep the current upper management. With four games left the best the team can end up being is 7-9.

I'll be bold and state that they beat the Raiders. They will probably lose to the Giants, Cowboys, and Chargers. That being said they may give those three teams a run for their money and might manage somehow to eke out a win.

Frankly my impressions so far are this:

1. Cerrato must go.
2. Zorn must go.
3. The Defense is pretty good, although the CB and S corps needs to be replaced. I would perhaps keep Reedy Doughty, but Carlos Rogers and LaRon Landry need to go.
4. Haynesworth is overprice and probably needs to go.
5. Sean Suisham needs to be replaced. He has missed too many kicks at too many key moments.
6. The offense needs to be redone. At this point, of the current "stars", I would keep only Chris Cooley. I might keep Santana Moss. Antoine Randel-El and Clinton Portis need to go. I would draft linemen.
7. Fred Davis, Malcolm Kelly, Mark Mithcell, Devin Thomas, and the RB corps mius Portis should stay. Those second string players did show that they could play well today.
8. On Campbell I am not honestly sure. Sometimes I think that he should go. Other times I think that they should give him one final year against a good offensive line. A lot depends on what QB's are available for what price. Campbell is never going to be a star. That much is clear. It's also clear he can't win when it counts. But would be he good enough to get the team at least to the playoffs as wildcard with a decent offensive line? The ultimate question here is whether WAS is willing to write off the next 2-3 seasons to develop a brand new QB. Snyder may not be that patient. So I could go either way on Campbell. There are justifiable business cases either way for keeping him or getting rid of him.

Whatever the case the team needs lots of changes. If Cerrato goes that will be the first step. And frankly, given that the team is headed to its worst record in years, even for Snyder, I don't see what business case there is to keep Cerrato. And if Snyder does have a "dark heart", per what Riggins says, I wonder what his breaking point with Cerrato is.

Snyder wants the team to make money. I was at the stadium today. There were lots of empty seats there. At some point the diminished revenue is going to force him to finally relent. While there will always be hardcore fans who will come to the stadium even if the team puts up 1-15 seasons, at some point, revenues will diminish to the point where Sndyer will have to do something.

The team needs lots of work. What do you all think of my points?

Posted by: jiacinto | December 6, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Mr Moe - you want Zorn BACK next year? Lordy Lordy. He's the number one reason we've choked the last three games. Look no further than Jim Zorn.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 6, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417:

Where do you watch the Redskin's games?

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 6, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Could someone at the Post report on landry's malfeasance, please. That guy is personally responsible for two tds against ATL (someone has to remember his reluctance to tackle Turner on those 2 long tds) and two against the Saints.

Please, someone at the Post do some responsible game analysis and let #30 take some heat. His selfish and terrible at the same time. that nonsense on the sideline the camera caught where he was pretending to act is if he was somehow not responsible for that last double move (how ironic was it that he was gesturing with Rogers on the bench about it) was truly the epitome of dan snyder's player acquistion paradigm. PAY FOR MORE, GET LESS. Hail to Dan Snyder's deadskins. Landry for the Hall of Shame!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: tony11 | December 6, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Actually kenyalover, I have always liked the Vikings as my second team. I accept the SKINS are a horrible team this year and have been mediocre under Synder. I am pulling for the Vikings to win the BOWL this year. However I can't stomach losing a game they way this one played out. If the AINT's had blown us out I would have hung my head and accepted it. They are 2 reasons for today - Suisam and "tha booth". This game the SKINS were not outplayed. The AINT's are having a great season but this is not a great team. They will fall!!!!!!!

Posted by: redskindoc | December 6, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

beep beep/

Posted by: TWISI | December 6, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

This team is not a contender, and the losses are still painful. But when you're a contender (as my beloved Redskins were for much of my life), the losses are harder to take because you are really losing something. This team is going nowhere, so don't waste your energy and mope around. Save the sadness for a team that deserves it. Like the 1979, 1985 and 1989 Redskins, who all went 10-6 and missed the playoffs. Or the 1975 Redskins, who were ruined by referees and went 8-6 back in the days of the 14-game schedule.

There's no sense in getting down about a 3-9 team. It's a time to accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative and look ahead.

Accentuate the positive:
-- The team is still playing hard. Someone is keeping these guys revved up. Maybe it's the players themselves. They keep fighting, and I appreciate it.
-- I know Campbell makes mistakes. But we will get no one better in free agency. If we draft a QB, it will take some time for that guy to deliver. With all our problems and needs, I say keep Campbell and fill the other holes in the draft.

Eliminate the negative:
-- Snyder and Cerrato. Sad to say, this won't happen.
-- Suisham has got to go. He's lost his confidence. I would cut him right now and hold a kickers' audition this week. What have we got to lose? It's not like we're going to the playoffs. David Akers was once a Redskin. Can you believe that?
-- The overrated Sellers has got to go. He's made tons of mistakes over the years. Today's fumble wasn't the first time he's blown it in some way. I've always liked the guy and given him the benefit of the doubt, but he needs to be shown the door. Bring in another FB. What have we got to lose? Nothing.
-- I think Zorn is a nice guy and has been dealt a bad hand in many ways in D.C., but he doesn't seem to understand that you can't rely on kickers. He won't try to put teams away, and it's come back to haunt him -- and us. I understand why he took the job, but it was a huge mistake. He's been in over his head from the first minute. He should never have taken the post.
Goodbye, Jimmy.

Look ahead:
-- The young receivers are starting to deliver. Let's hope it continues.
-- Keep Portis out for the rest of the year. Then draft a running back to groom as Portis' replacement. We could have an effective Portis next season and a running back for the future.
-- Most important: Fill the gaps on both lines.

A fan since 1973.
Even in defeat: Hail to the Redskins!

Posted by: gaspeny | December 6, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417:

Where do you watch the Redskin's games?

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 6, 2009 7:15 PM |

At home. Hate to be on the roads after having a few drinks, so I do the stay at home game.

You? I might could get out every once in a while.

And Beep Beep!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins, Chiefs, Lions, and Raiders all finish with 3 wins - don't we pick ahead of them in the draft(assuming we lose to the Raiders)?

Posted by: coparker5 | December 6, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse


Your greedy little midget of an owner needs to stop pretending to himself that he knows anything about running a football team.

Posted by: chasemonster | December 6, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

tony11:
I'm with you. Landry showboats after he makes a play in order to cover his other deficiencies--tackling and coverage. He needs to be moved back to the SS role or moved to another team--for a draft pick, obviously.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 6, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Getting in a little late here, like Landry reacting to a double move...that guy is an embarrassment, not for his coverage (or lack thereof), but for everything else he does on the field.

Laron, heads up buddy, your head nodding / clapping / general showboating then getting burned twice for scores is PATHETIC. Celebrating tackles after someone makes a first down or gains significant yardage? D-coord needs to tell this self-absorbed clown to give it a rest until...oh, I don't know, a winning record maybe...a WIN maybe???

Butkus, Singletary, Lott, Atwater....winners, never saw them do this crap.

Posted by: AUskin | December 6, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Jason is what he is. An average QB who would succeed with a competent O line and good running game and receives who can make a few plays. He will never be a pro-bowler. But he looks a lot better thank at least a dozen other starting QB;s out there. There is not really anyone out there worth gambling on as a franchise QB as a free agent or draft pick. Clausen, McCoy will be busts. Tebow ain't going to be Da Man in the NFL but I do think will have some success in the right system. Sam Bradford is too fragile. Maybe the QB at the Wash Huskies actually looks NFL ready but he's likely a project and would only be worth a draft pick in a later round.

Posted by: redskindoc | December 6, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417:

I watch the games at home too DirectTV baby. Yeah, it's not smart driving after having a few...DWI laws are getting very,very tough. I live on the West Side. So if you heard any screaming coming from the West, it was me screaming at the kicker for missing that chip-shot.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 6, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

smokeybear, I too am on the westside. Paradise Hills. Could not hear anything over my own screaming.

My wife was on the phone w/her mother when my language caused her to go upstairs.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I need to move on but at least the day was not a total loss - DA cowboys LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I must seek solace in small pleasures.

Posted by: redskindoc | December 6, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

tomas and devis had breakout games huh,someone needs to tell those 2 bozos not to peacock around until they actually win something.most of vinnys d choices are low grade trash.how about play the game 1st,then celebrate if you win,that goes for dirty landry too.

Posted by: DLESMonday | December 6, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417:

Too funny!
I bet I can throw a rock from my backyard to yours. I'm over here on Ladera and Unser. Maybe we can meet close by our casas and root for the Skins before the season is over.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | December 6, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

smokeybear, e-mail me at:

curzon417atgmaildotcom

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

This is the worst, most blatant fixing of a game I have ever seen. Yes it is ridiculous that Suisham missed and we probably would have lost either way, but was I the only one who heard the ref repeatedly blow the whistle like 50 times as soon as Sellers hit the ground. That means the play is dead and cant be overturned. Its a clear and simple rule. For some reason the announcers didn't even mention it which I thought was pretty fishy right away, and then they overturn it? Someone explain how this could happen. There are cameras out there, its not like we didn't see what happened. Someone explain how thats legal? I am so confused and I expected us to lose in OT but to see an NFL game be blatantly fixed like that is something I have never witness and makes me sad for this sport. Someone tell me I was hallucinating all 50 of those whistles to kill the play.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | December 6, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I AGREE, THE GAME WAS FIXED

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 6, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Even though the fumble call in OT was a little questionable, some people are mistaken in the fact that they beleive the call shouldn't even be challengable. That is incorrect. The leagues new rule the last couple years has been if someone is ruled down by contact that play can be challenged if the ball was fumbled. This is a recent change in the rules that has been in effect for 2 seasons now I believe.

Posted by: crabbypatty1 | December 6, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

This whole season has been a CF of epic biblical proportions. I can't wait until the season is over. The only thing that keeps me going is this is the time of year for Dallas to implode. And from their game against the Giants today, the girls are right on schedule.

Posted by: clark202 | December 6, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Fire Zorn and cut suishum who sucks! how in the world can you not take a chance in the end zone but when management is part of the problem it does not surprise anybody that this team is the way it is. Hopefully snyder will learn and get us fans a good coach and a good gm. Snyder put together a real team that wins!

Posted by: redskin76 | December 6, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Guys, most of us are over on the next thread. I stayed behind to finish a convo w/smokeybear.

Let's let this one die out.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 6, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Shawn Suisham has got to go. PERIOD he has blown opportunities too many times. its not the snapper, or holder, its the kicker! for god sakes, all you do is kick! thats all you do!!! i can see missing a 45 or 50 yarder but for GOD'S sake...a 15 or 20 yarder? come on dude....kicking is all you do. you should be able to kick blindfolded! point is, Suisham has to go!!! sign someone else!!!pleez Suisham, you suck and should never kick again!!!

Posted by: fsouderiv | December 6, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

where is the next thread

Posted by: Jswish528 | December 6, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

You know, I give Zorn a lot of credit for the way he has handled this season, and because the players obviously havent quit on him.

BUT...he gets so damn conservative when leading in the 4th, and it seems to cause the whole team to tighten up. Coach doesn't have confidence, it resonates with the team.

Posted by: earlech | December 6, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Jim zorn does not even call the plays so how are you going to blame him for those 3 run plans and if Susiam makes that feild goal the Saints still have to kick a onside kick which in the nfl is under 10% chance of the kicking team recovering the ball

Posted by: jordy1234 | December 6, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

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