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Redskins fall to 4-10 in 33-point loss

It has not been the prettiest of seasons for a Washington Redskins team that entered the year with playoff hopes and had fallen to a lowly four wins with hopes only of spoiling a division rival's postseason aspirations.

In front of a national television audience on "Monday Night Football," however, the year got even worse, as the Redskins were blown out 45-12 at home, heard visiting fans start several chants and were involved in another on-field fight.

The Redskins had appeared lifeless for much of the game but finally showed some fight in the final quarter - only not while actually playing football.

The lowlight - or maybe highlight - of the final 15 minutes was when a fight broke out between DeAngelo Hall, Brandon Jacobs, Albert Haynesworth and a number of other players, though only Haynesworth was penalized.

Other than that, the Giants continued to do what they had done all night: move the ball easily and effectively on the Redskins.

After the fight and the 15 penalty yards were marked off, Ahmad Bradshaw broke off a 19 yard run to the Redskins 25-yard line and one play later Eli Manning found a wide open Mario Manningham for a 25-yard touchdown pass in the right corner of the end zone to make the score 45-12.

The Redskins looked as if they would answer with their own touchdown drive, moving 50 yards on the first six plays, but Campbell was sacked for a loss of 10 yards and after two incompletions was intercepted by Chase Blackburn on fourth and 20 to give the Giants the ball back at the 49-yard line.

Neither team put much else together for the rest of the game as back-ups entered for the Giants and the Redskins starters lacked any energy in a game that was out of reach.

New York fans chanted "Let's Go Giants" as the final minutes ticked off the clock and blue jerseys represented the majority of what was left in the stands as the Redskins fell to 4-10 on the season in a dismal outing.

By Paul Tenorio  |  December 21, 2009; 11:38 PM ET
 
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Posted by: brianearman | December 21, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Barf...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 21, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

When one claims to be a "Redskin fan for life", it isn't meant like a death sentence!

Posted by: daggar | December 21, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen, take note: You are inheriting a garbage barge from Vinny Cerrato. Outside of Brian Orakpo and London Fletcher, there isn't one single player on this team that would be missed next season.

Posted by: drischord | December 21, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Nothing like an asswhippin' to prove everyone right that the defense is overrated and the offense still sucks, good luck cleaning up after Vinny mess Bruce.

Did Levi jones block anyone at any point?

Posted by: Moose33 | December 21, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

wow... Steve Young just said he is embarrassed for the NFL for the Skins performance... !! Would have to agree..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 21, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

A pathetic showing from a team that should have played their guts out to keep their collective roster spots next season.

Bruce Allen, clean house! I don't care if we have to go 2-14 next year to truly rebuild. We need to unload this heap of garbage that Vinny Cerrato left in Washington.

Posted by: drischord | December 21, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Let me find the words. Wait, just a minute i need to go vomit

Posted by: diamond_jim | December 21, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

For all you dorks who think that JC is THE problem...

Who you gonna bring in who will do better next year? Seriously???? You looked at the FA class of QB's? Interestingly, JC is probably at the top of that class.

But I guess we could just use a top ten pick on a QB... That should work out. Or better yet, let's bring in TC... He's the answer!

Posted by: carocanesfan | December 21, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is all to blame, simple as that!

Posted by: mofares | December 21, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

indeed

Posted by: Surfercalavera | December 21, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

HEY MATTYLIGHT..
Whats Bruce Allen going to say?? JC is a Restricted Free Agent. No GM is going to devalue a Restricted Free Agent.. Why undermine the player's value and thus undermine your own (the losing team) compensation amount? The more Jason is paid by his new team (a higher perceived value) the better the compensation to the Skins (ie. 2.5 mil or more, 1st round pick and 3rd round pick).
Bruce Allen is smartly playing "the game".. If the offering team thinks the Skins dont want JC, they will offer him a lesser contract amount..and Skins get less compensation.
mattylight... you must of attended the Vinny GM school..
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Just watched JC's interceptions (Tivo).. RIGHT to the Defender.. No effort needed. And no DT or DE hanging off JC..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 21, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, guess you better get used to it, genius. ESPN reported that Allen is going to bring Campbell back next season, which means that if Shanahan is here, he signed off on this. But those two don't know more about QB's than you do, right?

Posted by: mattylight | December 21, 2009 11:29 PM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 21, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

In my 22 years on this Earth, this is the worst loss and performance I have ever seen as a Redskins fan.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 21, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen, take note: You are inheriting a garbage barge from Vinny Cerrato. Outside of Brian Orakpo and London Fletcher, there isn't one single player on this team that would be missed next season.

Posted by: drischord | December 21, 2009 '

Disagree. We suck, but we're not as bad as tonight. I don't want to see Santana go. I don't want to see Devin go. I don't want to see ANY of the D-line go. I don't want to see our TE's go. I NEVER EVER thought I'd say it, but i don't want to see Tryon go, or even Hall. Horton? He can stay.

We need a burner back (4th round), and two Tackles (1st and 2nd) and we'll be respectable. We get a good Center and we might be playoff contenders.

I know. Rediculous. But still, we're NOT as bad as tonight.

Posted by: brianearman | December 21, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Watching this game it was pretty much like the culmination of of 10 years of ButtboyVinny and Hitleryouth Dannyboy's reign of disaster. How is it that such moronic behavior was allowed to go on for so long virtually destroying any resemblence of the once great franchise we admired so much in the previous 10 years?

Sad sad indeed.

A change yes...but will we still have to endure a meddlesome owner clueless about all things related to football?


Posted by: Jaymand | December 21, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

and greg blache and sherman lewis are "great coaches"?

and didn't zorn look like he was totally clueless there?

Posted by: dsda3731 | December 21, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Outside of Brian Orakpo and London Fletcher, there isn't one single player on this team that would be missed next season.

Oh, so your plan is to bring everyone back? I think I'd like to try missing some of them.

Posted by: daggar | December 21, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

HEY MATTYLIGHT..
Whats Bruce Allen going to say?? JC is a Restricted Free Agent. No GM is going to devalue a Restricted Free Agent.. Why undermine the player's value and thus undermine your own (the losing team) compensation amount? The more Jason is paid by his new team (a higher perceived value) the better the compensation to the Skins (ie. 2.5 mil or more, 1st round pick and 3rd round pick).
Bruce is playing the game.. If the gaining team thinks the Skins dont want JC, they will offer him a lesser contract amount..and Skins get less compensation.
mattylight... you must of attended the Vinny GM school..
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Just watched JC's interceptions (Tivo).. RIGHT to the Defender.. No effort needed. And no DT or DE hanging off JC..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 21, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, guess you better get used to it, genius. ESPN reported that Allen is going to bring Campbell back next season, which means that if Shanahan is here, he signed off on this. But those two don't know more about QB's than you do, right?

Posted by: mattylight | December 21, 2009 11:29 PM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 21, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

That's exactly what I did, dumba$$. And you are an even bigger shi*thead if you think someone is going to give up a 1st and a 3rd for anyone not named Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, etc. There is no need for Allen to posture here. Maybe, just maybe, he is bringing JC back b/c he's a good QB. Ditka threw some support behind JC tonight (he won a Super Bowl, right?) and so did Jaws (he played QB in the NFL, right?), and so have countless others, who I choose to believe more than some donkey like you with a clever handle. You're the moron who thinks that a great QB would take us from 4-10 to NFC East champs. I don't have anymore time to go tit-for-tat with a$$clowns like you. There are plenty of reasonable, intelligent peeps on the RI. Next.

Posted by: mattylight | December 21, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattylight | December 21, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

In my 22 years on this Earth, this is the worst loss and performance I have ever seen as a Redskins fan.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 21, 2009 11:48 PM

You must of missed the Patriots dismantle the skins a few years back.

Posted by: Moose33 | December 21, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

zorn should resign after that performance, or lack thereof...

Posted by: dsda3731 | December 21, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

"just when you are about to praise the redskins, they miss the extra point, wow" - mike tirico

Posted by: askhosh10 | December 21, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

You ARE as bad as your record to quote the Tuna. Soup needs to go along with Zorny as far from FEDX as possible. Look at his eyes and see the fear.

Posted by: diamond_jim | December 21, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

So NOW can we stop pushing Jerry Grey for Head Coach? Our secondary looked like a bunch of guys signed off the street.

Embarrassing.

Posted by: edvar | December 21, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

As a matter of fact, I did.

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You must of missed the Patriots dismantle the skins a few years back.

Posted by: Moose33 | December 21, 2009 11:51 PM

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 21, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

when GINTS scored second td...JZ on sideline had that deer in the headlights look. who keeps saying he can get the players to play with enthusiasm..they played the start of second half like they wanted to but it is obvious that it was the players who got themselves going. thank god that JZ's days are numbered..maybe he can go be the browns ball boy. OC is not an option.
JC is only here 1 more year at best. he should be a career backup. LL needs to go back to college and play cuz he sure cant play with the big boys.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | December 21, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn looked like a deer caught in a headlight.......it was simply dismal. It was really hard to watch. Giants had 16 first down before we got one...miserable.....

Posted by: maz3 | December 21, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Jon Gruden had the best line of the night. "Well if you aren't going to protect your quarterback, why protect your kicker."

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 21, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

JC17 apologists?

"Keep-Zorn-because-the-team-hasn't-given-up-on-him" crowd?

Hello??? You guys out there??? Is this thing on???

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Please let this season end soon so we can start all over. I need to get off all these pills.

Posted by: diamond_jim | December 21, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

or the Giants beating the Skins 35-0 4 years ago.

Posted by: JeanJak | December 21, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Hell, I'd put the 9-7 win over the Rams in week two ahead of this in my ranking of worst performances this season. The one where the winning team got booed off the field by its own fans.

The Gints, with a playoff spot on the line, came in and played like they meant it. The Redskins, with nothing on the line, came in and played like crap. Whoop dee doo.

Good grief, can this team get it together to play a full sixty minutes of reasonably competent fubball against the Cowboys? That's all I'm hanging my hat on, is the possibility of playing spoiler against the Cowboys.

Jesus F. Christ...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 21, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game (scored free tix, thank God), so I ddin't hear Jaws.

Did he fawn and swoon over JC17? Did he find clever ways to totally backtrack on his statement that the Skins are kind-of-sort-of lucky to have him??

Posted by: p1funk | December 21, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

We need a whole new coaching staff.
I defended Zorn and Blanche in the past, but after this, I can't anymore.

I mean how many times do they have to dump the ball off to the back on a screen before you catch on?
oh yeah about 3 quarters.

And when your running an empty back field with no extra protection while your QB is getting beatin worse then a geeks prick on prom night... come on man!!!

Posted by: jberry73 | December 21, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Barf is right, this one is so bad because:

- it is against a division opponent
- after the team had been playing well and improving 4 prev games
- it was on national TV
- it was after a week of being in the spotlight
- it was about as bad a performance, through and through as I can remember (don't remember feeling this way even during spurrier era)

hopefully you turn out to be a prophet and they show up against the boys next week. . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | December 21, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

We need to unload this heap of garbage that Vinny Cerrato left in Washington.

Posted by: drischord | December 21, 2009 11:46 PM

BURN IT! Then we'll have the "dumpster fire" that this team has been made into by $nyder the Creep.

Posted by: greatteamdan | December 21, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

One of the the things that jumped out to me (one, hell - there were too many to count...) was how BAD our RB's were at picking up the blitz and helping with the blocking. They looked clueless out there. All of them.

You really see the fall off between proven vets and some practice squad scrubs in those situations.

Posted by: edvar | December 21, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

this game was lost when they won the coin toss and elected to Kick. the ONE THING this team had going for them the past 4 weeks was that they were able to take leads against better teams and stay in control of the game via scoreboard AND tempo. Why let the opponent get the ball and take away what has worked for you the most?

END RESULT? 10 minute drive and hearts ripped out like the dude from Indiana Jones.

Posted by: kman2 | December 22, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Outside of the Philly body-bag game, I've never seen this team give up like it did tonight.

54 years of being a Skins fan - this is the worst moment.

Posted by: pharrrrtt | December 22, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

now Zorn sounds Like the Azz butt he is expaining this loss LOL !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 22, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Where are all the Jason Campbell Fans Now?

Posted by: davidgrodriguez1 | December 22, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

C'mon, isn't someone going to throw a JC17 stat at me in his defense?

Anyone???

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think that Rock was running like he had big turd in his pants when he should have scored easily. We need speed and have none. We need a QB and have none. We need a defense and have none. Blache, youu should be ashamed of yourself.

Posted by: diamond_jim | December 22, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Everyone let's start posting our personal worst Redskins games.
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In my 22 years on this Earth, this is the worst loss and performance I have ever seen as a Redskins fan.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 21, 2009 11:48 PM

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

You're absolutely right MATTYLIGHT>>>No, one will offer JC 2.5 Millon.. That was just an example of the 1st and 3rd round compensation to the losing team for Restricted Free Agents offered that size of a salary.. (thats what "ie." means). Probably JC will require a compensation of a 2nd round draft pick, which is a 1.4 Million salary offer. The lower the offer to JC, the lower the compensation..
Thus, Bruce Allen is not going to say anything negative about a Restricted Free Agent.. You dont get it.. put the MattyLight beer down..

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HEY MATTYLIGHT..
Whats Bruce Allen going to say?? JC is a Restricted Free Agent. No GM is going to devalue a Restricted Free Agent.. Why undermine the player's value and thus undermine your own (the losing team) compensation amount? The more Jason is paid by his new team (a higher perceived value) the better the compensation to the Skins (ie. 2.5 mil or more, 1st round pick and 3rd round pick).
Bruce is playing the game.. If the gaining team thinks the Skins dont want JC, they will offer him a lesser contract amount..and Skins get less compensation.
mattylight... you must of attended the Vinny GM school..
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Just watched JC's interceptions (Tivo).. RIGHT to the Defender.. No effort needed. And no DT or DE hanging off JC..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 21, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, guess you better get used to it, genius. ESPN reported that Allen is going to bring Campbell back next season, which means that if Shanahan is here, he signed off on this. But those two don't know more about QB's than you do, right?

Posted by: mattylight | December 21, 2009 11:29 PM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 21, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

That's exactly what I did, dumba$$. And you are an even bigger shi*thead if you think someone is going to give up a 1st and a 3rd for anyone not named Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, etc. There is no need for Allen to posture here. Maybe, just maybe, he is bringing JC back b/c he's a good QB. Ditka threw some support behind JC tonight (he won a Super Bowl, right?) and so did Jaws (he played QB in the NFL, right?), and so have countless others, who I choose to believe more than some donkey like you with a clever handle. You're the moron who thinks that a great QB would take us from 4-10 to NFC East champs. I don't have anymore time to go tit-for-tat with a$$clowns like you. There are plenty of reasonable, intelligent peeps on the RI. Next.

Posted by: mattylight | December 21, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 22, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

C'mon, isn't someone going to throw a JC17 stat at me in his defense?

Anyone???

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:02 AM |

Nope. No P-Brains to be found here tonight.

Posted by: edvar | December 22, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Just watched the replay of the bizarre play at the end of the half. Not only was it incredibly lame and poorly designed, it left Hunter the Punter to get freakin' pummelled! Great way to get your guy killed.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | December 22, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

C'mon "keep-Jim-Zorn-because-he's-got-the-team-playing-hard-for-him" crowd???

Where you guys at???

Where are all the folks who said the Skins were disrespecting Zorn by conducting head coach interviews???

Someone?? Anyone??

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I think you guys are missing the point, the Skins will show up against the Cowgirls b/c they always do. They will show up against the Eagles b/c they always do. The Giants on the other hand are the creme de la creme of the NFC East. The Skins even with Joe Gibbs 2 could not do anything against them (35-0 in 2005).
Even Joe Gibbs 1 knew that the Giants with Tuna leading them was the team to beat back in the 80s. Everything that the Skins did back in the 80s was to beat them and not to beat anyone else in the division.
My message to the new GM Allen is again beat the GIANTS!

Posted by: JeanJak | December 22, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Outside of the Philly body-bag game, I've never seen this team give up like it did tonight.

54 years of being a Skins fan - this is the worst moment.

Posted by: pharrrrtt | December 22, 2009 12:01 AM

The game Schotteheimer was coaching... forget who it was against.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | December 22, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

JC is the least of this teams problems. When you have 1.3 seconds to go through your progression and make a throw, you're not going to be successful. The guy has no chance when he drops back...no chance at all.

He's rushing when he finally has the time and throwing interceptions because he thinks he is going to get crushed at any moment, he can't trust his line to protect him and I don't blame him.

Posted by: Moose33 | December 22, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Well edvar, here it is...burn it all. Time to start over...again. Ugh

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, let's all blame Jason because he gave up 38 points. Let's ignore the fact that there was no offensive line.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I know.

The JC17 apologists are pouring over the stats trying to find something.

They'll be here tommorrow spinning that 57.4 QB rating into something fabulous...

...then they'll teach us how to take urine and make a wonderful Sangria with it...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, I stopped defending JC about six weeks ago when it was clear he wasn't going to live up to all the hope and faith I had invested in him. But I won't join the chorus heaping blame on him now. Sounds like he was only one of about 40 dudes who didn't do their jobs tonight, albeit the most prominent among them.

F this stupid season.

Good grief with the hyperbole over this... this hurts because it's fresh, and yeah it sucks completely and thoroughly, but it's not like we had anything on the line. Again, it's not even the worst loss this season, let alone in all of recorded memory... sheesh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

So Zorn said the play was designed to go to the center? Come on...

Posted by: fan-o-matic | December 22, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins Rolled over on there backs, and pissed allover themselves, like a spanked puppy.


Posted by: dashriprock | December 22, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Snyder's in the pocket of the Giants like DeAngelos is in the pocket of the Yankees..Thanks for even the feint chance of morphine hope, between sellout fake Obama, Warmachine lies and the Gnostic Gnightmare, can't even get self-lobotomized on NFL and Budweiser without Knowledge and Truth rearing its grotesque head, doomed to slow-death corruption and corrosion before the A**hole Of Man Goes Judas and wipes us all out, f*** all..

Posted by: frak | December 22, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, let's all blame Jason because he gave up 38 points. Let's ignore the fact that there was no offensive line.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse


HA!!!

Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding!!!!

We have a winner folks!!!

Our first JC apologist of the evening.

So tell us all why it was NOT JC's fault that our offensive production in the first half (with JC under center) consisted of twice going 3-out.

I can't wait to hear this...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Just saw Zorn in his press conference..trying to explain his idiot call before the half.. Running a trick play twice...and being surprised they smelled it out??
Steve Young is incredulous and speechless after watching Zorn....
I think Zorn may of screwed himself out of a job with Holmgren in Cleveland.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 22, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I say let Danny Boy quarterback for just one series, so he knows what its like to have no protection. How can any quarterback play under those conditions. Ramsey and campbell were both thrown to the wolves. Neither were great quarterbacks, but whatever talent they had was lost in getting their rears kicked game after game. Hand over the reins to allen, Danny, because your leadership has been horrible.

Posted by: DrWho2 | December 22, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

4 Redskins tickets, a parking pass, multiple beers inside FedEx Field and an absolute beat down.... But, I didn't spend a dime, left at halftime and was home in my bed in Annapolis before the game was over!! That is a victory in my book... Thus is the reality of the Daniel Snyder Washington Redskins, I hope he is proud.

Posted by: EsMyDee | December 22, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Burn the burgundy on burgundy uniforms - the Skins SUCK every time they wear them -and no more MNF games- we can't play on Monday night. .

I think all the distractions (Vinny leaving, Bruce Allen arriving, Zorn leaving, Shanahan coming rumors) finally got to the players.

Oh, and Suisham has to have a smile on his face.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 22, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

So tell us all why it was NOT JC's fault that our offensive production in the first half (with JC under center) consisted of twice going 3-out.

I can't wait to hear this...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:10 AM

Because it's ALL of the offenses fault, coaches and JC included.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

davidrodriguez1, Hey, JC fan here.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 22, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, what exactly do you expect a qb to do when he gets hit immediately on a 3 step drop? Honestly, there isn't a qb in the league that would be able able to do anything with that kind of protection.
Absolutely embarrassing. I'm not saying that JC is the best qb; just that you are playing right into Snyder's hand by blaming the qb for this loss.

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 22, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Well edvar, here it is...burn it all. Time to start over...again. Ugh

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 22, 2009 12:07 AM |

Not sure I'd burn it all, but that was pretty bad. Personally, I am much more upset with the way the D played than any transgressions JC 17 had tonight. He was getting pounded. O line and the RB's just got shredded all night.

But our D? Where the hell were they all nigh. No pass rush AND nobody covered. Couldn't believe what I was watching.

Posted by: edvar | December 22, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

@ p1funk

You are about as qualified to analyze a football game and team performance as Dan Snyder is qualified to run a football team.

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Bret Favre, Donovan McNabb, Kurt Warner, and any other Hall of Fame or future Hall of Fame quarterback you want to throw in would not succeed behind that PRACTICE SQUAD offensive line.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, I stopped defending JC about six weeks ago when it was clear he wasn't going to live up to all the hope and faith I had invested in him. But I won't join the chorus heaping blame on him now. Sounds like he was only one of about 40 dudes who didn't do their jobs tonight, albeit the most prominent among them.

F this stupid season.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse


I hear you Nate.

I too think it was a total team failure.

I just get a kick out of the people who desperately want to convince us that JC17 is our very own Tom Brady...all we have to do is find perfectly flawless Olinemen, running backs, wide receivers and play-callers for him, because everyone on the team is holding him back...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

any NFL defense is going to break down, when their offense is 3 and out, and they are on the field without a breather.
I have much more respect for the other GMs that didnt want JC back in March when Snyder was shopping him.
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Yeah, let's all blame Jason because he gave up 38 points. Let's ignore the fact that there was no offensive line.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse


HA!!!

Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding!!!!

We have a winner folks!!!

Our first JC apologist of the evening.

So tell us all why it was NOT JC's fault that our offensive production in the first half (with JC under center) consisted of twice going 3-out.

I can't wait to hear this...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:10 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 22, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

just imagine for a second what it would be like if Campbell were to drop back and have 3.5 to 4 seconds to decide and throw the ball to the desired receiver.

EVERYTHING, including a QB's poise, ability to step up in the pocket, the DEMEANOR, and confidence, is increased when a QB HAS TIME to throw the ball.
I simply don't see how everyone can say Jason isn't capable of making big plays down the stretch WHEN he doesn't have NFL-caliber talent around him. Name one other QB that has won beyond the regular season without consistency and talent around him. Add in the constant controversy and flux of this franchise, both Front Office and Players, and there are NO INGREDIENTS present for our formula to success.
Those who judge JC's ability to be a good QB in the NFL have no idea what they're talking about.

Posted by: kman2 | December 22, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

@ p1funk

You are about as qualified to analyze a football game and team performance as Dan Snyder is qualified to run a football team.

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Bret Favre, Donovan McNabb, Kurt Warner, and any other Hall of Fame or future Hall of Fame quarterback you want to throw in would not succeed behind that PRACTICE SQUAD offensive line.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse


Yeah, I guess I'm not nearly as qualified as you.

You're right.

All we are missing is Jim Lachey, Joe Jacoby, Jonathan Ogden and Steve Hutchinson...I mean if we only had those guys, JC17 would be Pro Bowl material...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Zorn at the presser...Re: Stupid Trick Play

"I almost wished the Giants didn't have that Time Out."

WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Also, Orakpo should be renamed OSackpo, because that is all he can do. Coverage? Tackling? He doesn't know about that type stuff.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 22, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

maybe it's the cumulative effect. . . this wasn't an important game but somehow this was more of a disappointment. . .shame on me for being fooled. .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | December 22, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

YES!!

The JC apologists are swarming now!!!

Woo-hoo!

Guys you are right and I am WRONG.

I repent in sack-cloth and ashes.

The problem is that we don't have the original hogs, Jerry Rice in his prime and the 2000 Ravens defense.

That's it!!

If this FO would just get its act together and build a time-machine to get the original Hogs, Jerry Rice circa 1985, and the 2000 Ravens defense, then poor little JC17 would finally be able to realize all of his brimming potential.

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo should be renamed OSackpo, because that is all he can do. Coverage? Tackling? He doesn't know about that type stuff.
I dunno, he obliterated that official.

Posted by: daggar | December 22, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, In all probability he would be.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 22, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

someone also said that Collins was able to throw a 40+ yd pass to Moss on his second play.
yeah, but that's because Collins doesnt remember what it's like to be nailed by 3 guys every single play. That play was blind luck. If Collins was there for the 3rd quarter, i guarantee all he would have done is throw 5 yard passes to Fred Davis and check-downs to Ganther/Mason in the flat for 2 yard gains.

I'm not saying Jason played well today, 2 bad INTS just like the Philly game. But can you honestly say that Jason has been surrounded by quality players that give him an ample chance to become a winning QB? You'd be lying if you said yes.

Posted by: kman2 | December 22, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

All we are missing is Jim Lachey, Joe Jacoby, Jonathan Ogden and Steve Hutchinson...I mean if we only had those guys, JC17 would be Pro Bowl material...

Posted by: p1funk


LOL,
I was thinking the same thing.
Maybe JC would be ok in Tenn, or Oakland,
but not in this offence.

Even Grandpa Collins can read the Defence faster then Cambell.

Posted by: jberry73 | December 22, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Come on man! ... This was easy, it was over early... much less painless than the New Orleans loss, that stung... The Gints have our number, period. Only time we beat them in last 7 games is because it was so windy, Eli couldn't throw hardly at all & we just ganged up on the run during the post Sean Taylor 5 game win streak directed by Todd Collins.

Bruce Allen learned a lot about this team tonight:

#1 Orakpo is a defensive end or 5th rusher, not an OLB... Come on Man!

#2 Wouldn't it have been great if the Redskins drafted Adrian Peterson instead of Laron Landry.... Come on Man!

#3 (Takes note) How many draft picks do I have... how many lineman do I need? (the O-line finally caught up to this team in a big way, undrafted = less talent)... Come on Man!

#4 hmmm... Didn't Jim Zorn fake a FG twice against a team already this year after a timeout... it couldn't possibly work twice... could it? 24 - 3 sure would be better.... Come on Man!

#5 I can't wait for January 4th (Day after season, to fire Zorn)

Obviously, with all the rumors... most of the Redskins players knew, no matter what, their coach isn't going to be there in 2 more weeks... The defense was absolutely pathetic & all that cute stuff wasn't working... they got torched... no pressure, couldn't stop the run or the pass... embarrassing!

Posted by: tony325 | December 22, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

BUILD THE OLINE FIRST..... WE NEED TO KEEP CAMPBELL...

Posted by: b145579 | December 22, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Ok I will play the JC game. He was on his back everytime he threw or attempted to throw a pass. He had no help in the running game and the Redskins were behind and getting farther behind each time the Giants touched the ball. Yet he still managed to drive the team for two TDs. He made one critical mistake (overthrow to Davis for pick 6) and one minor mistake (pick on 4th and 20). Other then that he had an average day considering. If you want a comparision rewatch the Sunday night game. Favre was getting killed and Minn only managed 7 points. At least the Redskins got 12 (should have been 15 if not for the bone head fake).

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 22, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

I am absolutely appalled at how you belittle the impact of the offensive line. How did we win 3 Super Bowls? With Hall of Fame QBs? NOPE. It was the Hogs. It was always the Hogs. The Hogs were a brick-f*ckin-wall. You are unqualified because you are belittling the offensive line.

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Yeah, I guess I'm not nearly as qualified as you.

You're right.

All we are missing is Jim Lachey, Joe Jacoby, Jonathan Ogden and Steve Hutchinson...I mean if we only had those guys, JC17 would be Pro Bowl material...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:16 AM

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, In all probability he would be.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | December 22, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse


THANK YOU.

That's what I'm saying.

This stupid FO has committed a horrible unforgiveable sin against JC17.

They have failed to surround him with Hall of Fame talent, and thus, have squandered his potential.

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

ummmm how about Collins completing his second pass to Moss for 47 yards and then Davis dropping a TD pass.. 4 passes before the half.. AND THIS WAS DONE WITH THE SAME OFFENSIVE LINE THAT CAMPBELL HAD!!!
If Collins started the second half, who knows?? Maybe Zorn was told to tank the game by Allen to improve the team's you know what...??? And a successful Collins could of ruined the plan.....May also explain the insanely stupid, TWICE TRIED, trick play by an NFL veteran like Zorn? No one can be this dumb and be paid 2.5 million a year??
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I say let Danny Boy quarterback for just one series, so he knows what its like to have no protection. How can any quarterback play under those conditions. Ramsey and campbell were both thrown to the wolves. Neither were great quarterbacks, but whatever talent they had was lost in getting their rears kicked game after game. Hand over the reins to allen, Danny, because your leadership has been horrible.

Posted by: DrWho2 | December 22, 2009 12:11 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 22, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

But can you honestly say that Jason has been surrounded by quality players that give him an ample chance to become a winning QB? You'd be lying if you said yes.

Posted by: kman2 | December 22, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse


I KNOW.

Some schmucks out there actually beleive that a talented QB could elevate the players around him!!!!

CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT!

What nonsense. Those nincompoops don't realize that you need to coddle and surround a mediocre QB with HOF talent FIRST!!! And THEN the QB plays well...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I dunno, he obliterated that official.

Posted by: daggar | December 22, 2009 12:19 AM

And then Boss proceeded to outun him in the open field. He looked like he gave up after he ran into the official...and I have been noticing over the past few weeks he often gives up on plays after giving a 3-4 second burst of speed and power....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 22, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

am absolutely appalled at how you belittle the impact of the offensive line. How did we win 3 Super Bowls? With Hall of Fame QBs? NOPE. It was the Hogs. It was always the Hogs. The Hogs were a brick-f*ckin-wall. You are unqualified because you are belittling the offensive line.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse


YES! Now we are talking!

Didn't you read my previous posts???

The failure of the FO is that they have not built a time-machine to go and retrieve the Hogs for JC17.

Nail on the head...BANG!

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, how is identifying problems with the rest of the skins, mean that someone is apologizing for JC. It just means that there are bigger problems with the team than the qb. I am not saying JC isn't a problem, that pick-6 was 100% on him.

But I can also see that no qb will win behind that OL and if you can't bring yourself to see that (like every football analyst can) then keep thinking that we are simply 1 good qb away from a playoff team.

And when Snyder does just that this off season by going for the HOT new qb and ignore the OL, go ahead a get your hopes up and purchase all that Skins gear because people like that are the reason our idiot owner can ruin this organization.

Posted by: NFeKPo | December 22, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

p1funk,
I understand that you want to see a spark from JC, that you want him to show that he can guide a game-winning drive, and that he can capitalize in crunch-time. I UNDERSTAND all of that. i really do. but you REALLY can't in your heart of hearts expect him to do it with this line, do you? I dont think anyone could expect that. It's one thing to blame the o-line for one or two plays that change the complexion of a game. But we've reached the point where the O-line only PLAYS WELL for one or two plays per game. We've just been fortunate enough that we've played against some soft defenses the past few weeks ('cept for Philly).

Posted by: kman2 | December 22, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

"The JC17 apologists are pouring over the stats trying to find something".

F that!

That was an utter disgrace.....no heart, no passion, no intensity, no pride. Did you watch that shti tonight?

JC? Really?

With all that is wrong with this team, picking on the QB is lame and ignorant.

Come on funk, you're better than that baby......

Posted by: k_square | December 22, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Outside of the Philly body-bag game, I've never seen this team give up like it did tonight.

54 years of being a Skins fan - this is the worst moment.

Posted by: pharrrrtt | December 22, 2009 12:01 AM

The game Schotteheimer was coaching... forget who it was against.

Posted by: fan-o-matic


The Green Bay 37-nathan game, oddly enough on Monday night.

p1, I've been much as a Campbell doubter for most of the season as anyone, but to hang this loss on him is a bit much. I mean, c'mon dude, I know you seen the ABYSMAL o-line play tonight. True enough, Campbell wasn't on his game like he's been the last few, but that offensive line SUCKED, BLEW, and played liked ASS tonight. ABSOLUTELY pathetic performance by them tonight.

You know, I'm there with you RE: Zorn though. I've been on the "He gots to go" tip for a minute now... The team as a whole, as Matty Light put it, was "looking for the post office to straight mail it in". ATROCIOUS performance by the team as a whole tonight.

KEYS TO 'SKINS SUCCESS next season:

Get a LT, RT, and RG
Fire Jim Zorn

That alone would put them off the hook for 3-5 losses.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

p1, here's a question back at you: do you really want to start all over with either a rookie QB or free agent QB next season?

I for one would rather see them keep Campbell and improve the line in front of him with that draft pick and those free agency dollars.

But I gave up hoping Campbell would be our QB (giving us stability and competence, if not greatness, at the most important position on the team) when the front office bent over backwards trying to get rid of him this past offseason...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

BUILD THE OLINE FIRST..... WE NEED TO KEEP CAMPBELL...

Posted by: b145579 | December 22, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

AMEN!!!

WE NEED CAMPBELL!!!

NEED HIM!!!

WITHOUT CAMPBELL WE ARE LIKE NOMADS IN THE DESERT WITHOUT WATER!!!

WE NEED HIM!!! NEED HIM!!!

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

4th, up here banging his agenda drum.....you are as bad as you say the pundits are. "Orakpo sucks" "Sherm Lewis is savior" "Chris Larry is a Fantasy Football god"

But yeah hopefully new regime says...maybe Orakpo is a DE end after all...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

JC and the Redskins have too much history together....unfortunetly, it's not positive...and that's just speaking of on the field performance. Him coming back in the 2nd half looks to be more of a prideful thing rather than him trying to help the team....

Time to move on....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 22, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Zorn sounded like an Azz Monkey during his post game interview. Someone needs to tell him the parties over.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 22, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

What nonsense. Those nincompoops don't realize that you need to coddle and surround a mediocre QB with HOF talent FIRST!!! And THEN the QB plays well...

Posted by: p1funk

I would be happy with competent blockers, then I'll judge Campbell.
Please tell me how any another QB would do better with NO pass blocking?!?!

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Just in... Bruce Allen submits his resignation. Too many problems to solve.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 22, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Just in... Bruce Allen submits his resignation. Too many problems to solve.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 22, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Just in... Bruce Allen submits his resignation. Too many problems to solve.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 22, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

p1, here's a question back at you: do you really want to start all over with either a rookie QB or free agent QB next season?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse


Yes.

I would like to see most everything that has the stench of the past 2 seasons on it burned.

I would be happy to wait a couple years for a competent FO to develop a brand new project from scratch.

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

hahahaa p1funk, your sarcasm is thoroughly enjoyed.

these o-linemen are so damn incompetent that they fearfully try to pick jason up after he's visibly in pain after a sack...Jason just wants the pain to go away, and the players don't want to be responsible for another man's injury. YES, it's gotten THAT BAD. you cant play these points off with sarcasm, buddy. I agree with much of your idea--but I also think Jason can't be tossed away until he can be evaluated with a real O-line.

Posted by: kman2 | December 22, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, I'm appalled that they were wearing burgundy-on-burgundy costumes tonight. Of COURSE they lost. That combination is an abomination, and it's worthy of all the scorn it will get on UniWatch.

F monochrome uni combos.

Also, F losing.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Fire Bruce. p1funk for General Manager. He'll get us a Hall of Fame QB. We don't need a competent O-line.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

This game should serve as a final lesson to Snyder, Hire the right people, then keep your stubby, grubby hands off this team!!!!

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I am no JC luva, but if we can lose Vinny and Zorn I am willing to give JC a shot with overhaul around him. I really dont want some bonus baby first round QB dueche.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

and I have been noticing over the past few weeks he often gives up on plays after giving a 3-4 second burst of speed and power....
Well, he is 15-20 lbs. heavier than a typical OLB. Don't know that he'll ever be quite like RockyMac in that regard.

Posted by: daggar | December 22, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I would be happy with competent blockers, then I'll judge Campbell.
Please tell me how any another QB would do better with NO pass blocking?!?!

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse


Well, we could look at the first 4 games of the year before Smauels went down and JC17 had competent blocking...but still played like arse-fuzz.

But I'm sure JC17 apologists will find a reason why those games don't really count.

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Also, I'd be willing to blame the garbage offensive play on the offensive play-calling brain trust (Lewis & Lewis, and Zorn) and their failure to adjust what the Giants were calling on defense.

But then again when you have five turnstiles blocking for you upfront, what f__king difference does it make?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Just in... Bruce Allen submits his resignation after reviewing this game, just too many problems to solve. P.S. P1funk get a life.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 22, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

I have no idea what kind of spell Campbell has on some fans and media members. Why didn't the MNF crew comment on the fact that both of Campbell's INTs where thrown without any pressure on him. And in the 4th QT with 9:07 left in the game, he again threw back to back passes to Moss while double-teamed and again without any pressure on him.

I almost hope the Skins bring this garbage QB back next year so that I can come back here and say I TOLD YOU SO!!!

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | December 22, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

NO-body! ,not ANY (good) coach is coming here with our owner and roster NO QB/RB true WR and re-tooled front 7 what more can you ask for!...Cowher...Shanahan are waiting on John Fox to be fired. Carolina is WAAAY closer than us tallent wise I mean come on Vinnydansman!...We are a in a rebuilding stage AGAIN!

Posted by: alarka | December 22, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

After that press conference.. I think Zorn is daring Snyder to fire him and get the BuyOut. There is no other reason for a Head Coach in the NFL to talk and process questions like a 5 year old.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 22, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Firesale!

Posted by: jdlevinson | December 22, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Fire Bruce. p1funk for General Manager. He'll get us a Hall of Fame QB. We don't need a competent O-line.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse


Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Listen to Zorn Laugh about the fake FG, what an Azz Monkey LOL.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 22, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Anyone wanna give me odds on if Zorn is canned by noon tomorrow?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

What nonsense. Those nincompoops don't realize that you need to coddle and surround a mediocre QB with HOF talent FIRST!!! And THEN the QB plays well...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I seem to recall a guy from Pittsburgh lead a team to 15-1 in his rookie season when he was surrounded by great talent. Great O-line, D-line, and secondary. our own #82 was there too. I think Roethlisberger was told to "manage" the game. and that almost got them to the Super Bowl.

Posted by: kman2 | December 22, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

to get those coaches, its why Snyder hired a GM and fired Vinny.. It showed that he (Snyder) would get and stay out of the way (hopefully).
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NO-body! ,not ANY (good) coach is coming here with our owner and roster NO QB/RB true WR and re-tooled front 7 what more can you ask for!...Cowher...Shanahan are waiting on John Fox to be fired. Carolina is WAAAY closer than us tallent wise I mean come on Vinnydansman!...We are a in a rebuilding stage AGAIN!

Posted by: alarka | December 22, 2009 12:36 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 22, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Where are all the Jason Campbell Fans Now?

Posted by: davidgrodriguez1

Right here and BTW - bite me!

JC has more guts than any 5 QBs in the league. Our problems tonight had nothing to do with him - by the time he started throwing INTs, he'd taken enough hits to put BOTH Mannings out for the season.

Wasting resources on a QB hunt in a VERY bad year for it would be bloody stupid. We need OL, RB and defensive backfield - corners and a TRUE free safety.

Bloody Joe Montana couldn't win games with the Skins OL!

Posted by: fr3dmars | December 22, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Just in... Bruce Allen submits his resignation after reviewing this game, just too many problems to solve. P.S. P1funk get a life.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 22, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse


I know.

I'm such a loser with my JC17 sarcasm.

If only I could sarcastically make jokes about Bruce Allen resigning, then I'd have a real life.

I'm such a dope.

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Wow Zorn just though JC17 under the bus big time , must be a little hate going on there like JC 17 cost him his job as a HC LOL

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 22, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

cL - I've been trying my best to be quiet about that, but he exposed himself too many times tonight.....

Biggest mistakes of the Offseason (personel wise)


* Not tring harder to upgrade the OLine
* Drafting Orakpo instead of a real SAM LB, like future ROY Cushing.
*Signing Haynesworth (Money that could have been better spent. The guy is a beast, though)

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 22, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

I am no JC luva, but if we can lose Vinny and Zorn I am willing to give JC a shot with overhaul around him. I really dont want some bonus baby first round QB dueche.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Why not? We have a 5 year DUECHE!!!

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | December 22, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

That game was about as bad as it gets, Nate.

Nothing redeeming on display tonight.

It's not hyperbole to say the sky has fallen. when the sky has fallen.

and Gano with the whiff.

[instant Karma]

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 22, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

NO MORE Orakpo in coverage. Just put have put his freakin hands in the dirt and let him play.

Keep Campbell and put a goddamn NFL offensive line in front of him.

Fire Zorn and Blache. The Giants offense made the Redskins defense hold their belt all damn night. Straight up a f__king disgrace.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

P1funk I agree, you are a dope. Why don't you get some rest. Tomorrow is another day to complain about the Redskins.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 22, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

What a sorry excuse the Deadskins and all there sucker fans are.
Great article by Thomas Boswell here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/03/AR2009090303498.html

All these sorry fans are whooping it up now cuz VC is gone and the next 'savior', Allen is here. I remember when Gibbs came back; you'd think they won teh Super Bowl. All these obnoxious fans and media talking blahblahblah. And Gibbs sucked too!
Snyder is a piece of scum and rips off the stupidest fans in all of sports and they keep blabbering. Snyder and Skins fans deserve each other. BOTH SUCK. The NYG KICKED-YOUR-ASSES tonight on MNF. What a freaking JOKE. YOU S-U-C-K.

Posted by: johi | December 22, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I seem to recall a guy from Pittsburgh lead a team to 15-1 in his rookie season when he was surrounded by great talent. Great O-line, D-line, and secondary. our own #82 was there too. I think Roethlisberger was told to "manage" the game. and that almost got them to the Super Bowl.

Posted by: kman2 | December 22, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse


You're right.

We need to replace all the other 52 players and keep the one.

That's a much better team-building strategy than maybe upgrading that 1 player.

BTW - I also seem to recall Ben Roethlisberger leading his team to a go-ahead TD to win a Superbowl while running for his life behind a pretty crappy O-line...I wonder how JC17 would have fared under similar circumstances...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Well, we could look at the first 4 games of the year before Smauels went down and JC17 had competent blocking...but still played like arse-fuzz.

But I'm sure JC17 apologists will find a reason why those games don't really count.

Posted by: p1funk

OK so the last 3 games he did well with no blocking, up 'til this game. So I guess that means the whole team sucks now don't it!

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Zorn probably has already been texted by Holmgren (new Cleveland Prez) that he would be hired as Cleveland's QB coach once the season concluded (Zorn's old job with Holmgren in Seattle).
Zorn has more than a foot out the door but, he cant quit.. he has to be fired for the buyout.
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Listen to Zorn Laugh about the fake FG, what an Azz Monkey LOL.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 22, 2009 12:37 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 22, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

What we saw tonight was a team with a fractured spirit.

"Every man for himself," seems to me.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 22, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

P1funk I agree, you are a dope. Why don't you get some rest. Tomorrow is another day to complain about the Redskins.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 22, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse


I will get some rest.

I've thrown enough chum in the water for the JC apologists to have a feeding frenzy with this one until the weeeeeee hours of the morning.

And yes tomorrow is another day - to complain about the Skins, to make excuses for JC17 - whichever you prefer, it's a free country...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Whateves on "real football"

In my three fantasy teams I already in one championship game and onto second round in two others!

fantasy rulz
real life droolz

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how BR7 would have fared under tonight's circumstances...

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BTW - I also seem to recall Ben Roethlisberger leading his team to a go-ahead TD to win a Superbowl while running for his life behind a pretty crappy O-line...I wonder how JC17 would have fared under similar circumstances...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:43 AM

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

OK so the last 3 games he did well with no blocking, up 'til this game. So I guess that means the whole team sucks now don't it!

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse


Agreed.

But does "whole team" inlcude JC17, or is he still exempt??

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Yes...Blache's time is up...

How many times they gonna put 8/9 in the box only to rush 4 and play soft zones ALL GAME LONG??

That could work with a disciplened defense with a high scoring offense.


US? Not so much......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 22, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Am I missing something here?

Didn't the D have ALL of it's starters on the field tonight except Griffin? How can you even begin to explain that performance. They quite right after the first play. No pressure, no coverage, nothing. Every play the G Men ran seemed to work. Outrageous.

Why are we talking about the O when it was pretty obvious that our practice squad O line and RB's wre getting blow out on every play?

How do we explain the D? (besides to say they quite...)

Posted by: edvar | December 22, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell Fans he sure looked horrible tonight,,Collins comes in and sparks the offense,,Jason has run his course we need a QB in the Draft!!!

Posted by: davidgrodriguez1 | December 22, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

No one gives a hoot about Jim Zorn either.

Totally pointless to have him on the sideline.

Would have been better to have fired him outright. Zorn left his balls on Snyder's desk when he was relieved of play calling responsibilities.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 22, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

funny reference to Zorn trying to get fired with the swinging door trick play..

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/12/22/the-failure-that-was-the-redskins-swinging-gate/

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 22, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Zorn proved that he is an incompetent idiot and a loser. Bruce Allen needs to clean house. What a pathetic showing. Once again Cerrato, thank you gifting us with Zorn and our JV talent offensve line

Posted by: BacktoGlory | December 22, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

On to the positives....

Sleepy Davis

That is all.

Continue. And Sleepy's performance was enough for Bruce Allen to say 'Bye Bye Cooooley'. 2nd round draft pick....Here we come!

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 22, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

ummmm how about Collins completing his second pass to Moss for 47 yards and then Davis dropping a TD pass.. 4 passes before the half.. AND THIS WAS DONE WITH THE SAME OFFENSIVE LINE THAT CAMPBELL HAD!!!
If Collins started the second half, who knows??

Maybe Zorn was told to tank the game by Allen to improve the team's you know what...??? And a successful Collins could of ruined the plan.....May also explain the insanely stupid, TWICE TRIED, trick play by an NFL veteran like Zorn? No one can be this dumb and be paid 2.5 million a year??
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I say let Danny Boy quarterback for just one series, so he knows what its like to have no protection. How can any quarterback play under those conditions. Ramsey and campbell were both thrown to the wolves. Neither were great quarterbacks, but whatever talent they had was lost in getting their rears kicked game after game. Hand over the reins to allen, Danny, because your leadership has been horrible.

Posted by: DrWho2 | December 22, 2009 12:11 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | December 22, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

So lets upgrade JC. Who are you going to replace him with? The gaggle of journeyman FAs that are available or an unproven college QB? How is that going to be better? JC will never be Manning or Brady but not many QBs would be successful with the offense as it currently is structured and run. The best bet is to try and improve the OLine and the RBs then see if JC can play. In the meantime draft a QB (maybe use the 2nd round) to develop.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 22, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

p1funk,
you're missing the point.

b-roeth has experienced winning from DAY ONE. he was thrown into a great situation, and won a super bowl in year 2. WINNING BREEDS CONFIDENCE. as a QB, if you are not surrounded by talent, you will not succeed, and with no success, no confidence.

Posted by: kman2 | December 22, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

nate: not worst but most embarrassing/unexpected in a while. . . I think the other losses mentioned were neither this embarrassing nor this un expected. . .this is up there with worst butt whoopings i've witnessed...there are plenty of worse losses in games that meant something. . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | December 22, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

p1, Roethlisberger is an elite QB along with P. Manning, Brees, and Brady.

I've come to except that Campbell more than likely will never sit at the table with those guys, but I think the Redskins CAN WIN with him as their QB.

Campbell needs a real offensive line and a real coach head coach -- right now the 'Skins have neither.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how BR7 would have fared under tonight's circumstances...

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BTW - I also seem to recall Ben Roethlisberger leading his team to a go-ahead TD to win a Superbowl while running for his life behind a pretty crappy O-line...I wonder how JC17 would have fared under similar circumstances...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:43 AM

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse


Well...

Yesterday playing at home against one of the league's top-ranked defenses behind an Oline dealing with injuries, a run game that offered little support, and a defense that coughed up 36 points, BR7 threw for about 500 yards and led his team on a game-winning TD drive.

Does that roughly answer your question?

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell should be given a purple heart after what he's been through. He's still not starting QB material, however.

Look at Eli reading the defense and shifting personnel at the line of scrimmage.

Now watch JC lock onto his receiver and throw the ball 5 yards upfield on a 3rd and 10.

Jaws gave a revealing stat: The Redskins throw the ball either to the original LOS, or just short of it 34% of the time.

That ain't gonna get er done, ever.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 22, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

I turned it off at halftime to spend time with niece and nephew. . . it was bad then but apparently only got worse.

Well at least Cerrato is still gone.

Never thought we'd roll over and die so badly in front of a national audience. I hope the ghosts of Skins past haunt every single one of these guys tonight.

Posted by: sfskin | December 22, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

p1, Roethlisberger is an elite QB along with P. Manning, Brees, and Brady.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse


I know that B.Roeth and JC17 aren't in the same class.

Some idiot up here was trying to compare the 2 and I am entertaining his nonsense.

I would never talk about JC17 and B.Roeth in the same breath, unless it was something like:

"Too bad JC17 isn't a clutch QB and winner...like Ben Roethlisberger."

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

One word: Embarrassment! To lose by 33 pts to a division opponent is inexplicable. I do not know what happened from last week to this week, but the team has absolutely quit (maybe something will come out). Haynesworth was the only one that showed some fire in hitting Jacobs in the mouth after he assaulted his DB.

Just listened to Jerry Gray on Comcast Postgame and he said, wait for the punchline: "I've been here for years and we do not play well in night games." You can't be serious?! No explanation needed, bring out the dynamite and blowup the squad. Keep the young pieces and build from there. Bring back Jason also, Peyton Manning could not win with that OL and we all know it. With a big checkbook (Danny's) and a cap free year you could gut the whole team in a single year and move on. We're not close!

Signed,

Disgusted Die-Hard Skins Fan

Posted by: scyoung2 | December 22, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad for this game. It puts to bed any talk of bringing Zorn back next year. Hope you are up to the task Bruce Allen.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 22, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

at this point...I'm just waiting to see Jim Zorn's Coors Light commercial...should have plenty of material to choose from...

Posted by: Maestro301 | December 22, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

we need a QB in the Draft!!!

Posted by: davidgrodriguez1


Campbell > Than any QB in the draft.

So you draft a QB in the draft only to have to hear more complaining about how the Redskins SUCK on offense for the next 3 years.

I think it's crystal clear. Get some competent offensive line men (LT, RT, and RG -- Mike Williams ain't a long term solution), get a real coaching staff to coach the offense.

I really hope the Shanahan talk is real and he'll be announced as HC on Thursday following the Chargers game.

F James Zorn!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

p1funk,
you're missing the point.

b-roeth has experienced winning from DAY ONE. he was thrown into a great situation, and won a super bowl in year 2. WINNING BREEDS CONFIDENCE. as a QB, if you are not surrounded by talent, you will not succeed, and with no success, no confidence.

Posted by: kman2 | December 22, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't JC17 start out under Zorn with a playoff-caliber team, a top 10 defense and a running back that was leading the league in rushing for 8 games???

I guess that winning didn't rub off...but let's not blame JC17 for that...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Zorn wants to be fired , why else would he call that stupid fake FG. When the coach makes calls like that he is in effect showing his AZZ to the world and saying FY Snyder. As a Fan I want my team to win. so I say Fire The F'n Bum Today ! I know your giving him what he wants, but don't make the fans suffer anymore, F ZORN stupid Azz Monkey B'otch

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 22, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Yes Big Ben played great this week and he should since he is considered by some to be one of the elite QBs. How did he do against Cleveland and Oakland. QBs have good games and bad games. JC not so good tonight but played well against Oakland and the Saints. In my opinion (which is based on no expertise) JC is potentially a solid QB. He will help a good team win but never be able to carry a poor or average team. He is exactly the type of QB that Joe Gibbs was successful with which is probably why Gibbs drafted him.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 22, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Zorn wants to be fired , why else would he call that stupid fake FG. When the coach makes calls like that he is in effect showing his AZZ to the world and saying FY Snyder.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 22, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse


I was at the stadium, and people were literally laughing at the call.

Skins fans and G-men fans alike. It was comical. We were all laughing together.

It was like we all suddenly trasnported into a comdey club with Jerry Seinfeld and the whole joint was just chuckling it up...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't JC17 start out under Zorn with a playoff-caliber team, a top 10 defense and a running back that was leading the league in rushing for 8 games???

I guess that winning didn't rub off...but let's not blame JC17 for that...

Posted by: p1funk

p1, with all due respect, your post was irrelevant after: "didn't JC17 start out under Zorn..."...

Jason Campbell was set up to fail the minute they allowed that toolbag to head coach the 'Skins. Zorn is not a qualified playcaller and not a leader of men.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, maybe I missed your response, but I asked if you would prefer a free agent QB or a first-round draft QB for the 2010 season over Jason Campbell. Or maybe your preference would be for one of the QBs currently with the Redskins to replace Campbell as the starter in 2010? Just curious what your preference would be.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Just listened to Jerry Gray on Comcast Postgame and he said, wait for the punchline: "I've been here for years and we do not play well in night games."

Posted by: scyoung2 | December 22, 2009 12:58 AM

Well he's an idiot. We lit up the Eagles, Bears, Giants, and Vikings in night games in 2007. The whole coaching staff is horrible.

Posted by: BacktoGlory | December 22, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers still possess better offensive line than the 'Skins. There was much talk prior to the game of the Giants' recent ineptness in the pass rush, but they managed to get 5 sacks. Do you really believe that BR7 would still have a great game behind this Redskins O-line against the best defense? I think BR7 would be out for another concussion.

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Well...

Yesterday playing at home against one of the league's top-ranked defenses behind an Oline dealing with injuries, a run game that offered little support, and a defense that coughed up 36 points, BR7 threw for about 500 yards and led his team on a game-winning TD drive.

Does that roughly answer your question?

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:55 AM

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Keeping JC next season and beyond for the sake of continuity, at this juncture, qualifies as a false positive.

Yes, it certainly could be worse with another QB at the helm, but prolly not much worse than what we saw tonight.

At some point, haven't ya seen enough?

JC would also benefit from a fresh start with another team.

Time to man the plows and till the soil beneath our feet.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 22, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Zorn wants to be fired , why else would he call that stupid fake FG. When the coach makes calls like that he is in effect showing his AZZ to the world and saying FY Snyder. As a Fan I want my team to win. so I say Fire The F'n Bum Today ! I know your giving him what he wants, but don't make the fans suffer anymore, F ZORN stupid Azz Monkey B'otch

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam


Agreed!

F following the Chargers game, fire him tomorrow -- keep the housecleaning going...

Good F'ing night!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Free Jason Campbell.

Enough is enough.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 22, 2009 1:10 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, maybe I missed your response, but I asked if you would prefer a free agent QB or a first-round draft QB for the 2010 season over Jason Campbell. Or maybe your preference would be for one of the QBs currently with the Redskins to replace Campbell as the starter in 2010? Just curious what your preference would be.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

I said I wouldn't mind this team sucking for a couple years as long as there is a competent FO building a new project from scratch.

What I would prefer specifically depends on who comes in here as HC and what kind of offense they install.

I wouldn't die if JC17 gets low-tendered as a holdover to compete for a job. Yet I would totally understand if a new regime decided to cut him loose altogether.

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

This loss falls squarely at Snyder's feet.

He couldn't have knocked the wind out of this team any more effectively then if he fired the whole coaching staff right before the game. What was he thinking putting on the big side show this week with the "firing" of Vinny and the hiring of the hatchet man, Bruce Allen?

I think he deliberately sabotaged the team's moral so he could dismantle the team this off season without anyone criticizing him for ripping apart a descent team.

The message from management was clear this week - you players think that you have three games left in your season - wrong, your career with the Redskins is done.

I could hear the air coming out of this team all week all the way from Louisville.

Others have suffered at the hands of Snyder and bounced back - many of these guys will lose their jobs - but many of them are good players and they will be picked up by other teams - and probably be part of a super bowl winning team while we continue to languish under the football wisdom of one Dan Snyder.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | December 22, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

This loss falls squarely at Snyder's feet.

He couldn't have knocked the wind out of this team any more effectively then if he fired the whole coaching staff right before the game. What was he thinking putting on the big side show this week with the "firing" of Vinny and the hiring of the hatchet man, Bruce Allen?

I think he deliberately sabotaged the team's moral so he could dismantle the team this off season without anyone criticizing him for ripping apart a descent team.

The message from management was clear this week - you players think that you have three games left in your season - wrong, your career with the Redskins is done.

I could hear the air coming out of this team all week all the way from Louisville.

Others have suffered at the hands of Snyder and bounced back - many of these guys will lose their jobs - but many of them are good players and they will be picked up by other teams - and probably be part of a super bowl winning team while we continue to languish under the football wisdom of one Dan Snyder.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | December 22, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

I think BR7 would be out for another concussion.


Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 22, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse


I think you need to go and count up how many game-winning drives B.Roeth has led his team on.

Then I think you need to go and count up how many potential game-winning drives JC17 has failed to lead his team on.

Then I think you need to decide whether you still want to be comparing JC17 to BR7.

Either way, I'm done suffering this foolishness...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 1:18 AM | Report abuse

p1, what some of us are trying to say is it's not about stats but common sense. . .

no way you can hang your opinion on JC (and you are certainly entitled to one) on today's fiasco (heck on this season's fiasco). . .

you may be right in the long run, but this season is a really bad proof point for your argument. . .

so you are the GM for a minute, what do you do. . .pls come back with something a bit more concrete than previous post though. . .totally evaded the question, maybe you should be a HC in nfl ;-)

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | December 22, 2009 1:21 AM | Report abuse

I guess this loss should make us all happy. It helped our chances in the draft. Isn't that what most of the idiots that post here preach?

Posted by: VegasJim | December 22, 2009 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't JC17 start out under Zorn with a playoff-caliber team, a top 10 defense and a running back that was leading the league in rushing for 8 games???

I guess that winning didn't rub off...but let's not blame JC17 for that...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Going on and on....you're beating your tard drum much like Pabrian.

Playoff caliber? What the f does that mean? Leading rusher for 8 games? Leading rusher for HALF the season? Big F'n deal

What "winning" and "rubbing off" while he's been a Redskin, are you talking about?

Maybe you were referring to the high school State Championship AND/OR the National Championship in college?

Is that the winning you're talking about?

Posted by: k_square | December 22, 2009 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Dont you guys see that Campbell's family and friends come on here and show support for this tool?

They all know that he is their meal ticket. Please take the Campbell support with a grain of salt.

And BTW, just because he's black and youre black, it doesnt mean that you have to support him.

I'm latino and you don't see me saying how great Mark Sanchez is.

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | December 22, 2009 1:44 AM | Report abuse

playoff caliber roster? you're kidding right. . team fell apart as o-line deteriorated. . .rookie coach, new system, yada yada yada. . .let's just see a better idea than JC. . .haven't seen anyone saying he's the second coming of the manning dynasty, but merely better than any FA or draft pick out there. . .picking a QB high in the draft that doesn't work out could turn your couple years of suck into whole nother decade of suck. . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | December 22, 2009 1:44 AM | Report abuse

My point exactly made by p_square.

Who else but a friend or relative would know that Campbell won a High School Championship.

Campbell's family, please take note:

WE DON'T WANT YOUR GARBAGE, WE HAVE ENOUGH TO GO AROUND!!!

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | December 22, 2009 1:49 AM | Report abuse

When does the compensation come for the RFA, I would assume it would not be until the 2011 draft or does it depend on when the trade is completed. Potentially, will we get draft picks this year or next for Rogers and Campbell?

Posted by: m_p_holmes | December 22, 2009 2:16 AM | Report abuse

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