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A Redskins Final, by the Numbers (Updated)

Here's a quick stat pack on the Redskins

Team stats
196 yards
6 penalties for 38 yards
Time of possesion: 24:16
Two turnovers
11 first downs
1-of-11 third-down conversions
56 rushing yards
140 passing yards
9 punts, 45.2-yard average (37.1 net average)

Individual stats
Passing
Campbell 3-of-6 38 yards
Collins 8-of-11 70 yards
Brennan 4-of-12 43 yards 1 INT

Rushing
Cartwight 6 carries, 24 yards
Brennan 3 carries, 13 yards
Mason 6 carries, 12 yards
Betts (Bettis) 4 carries, 7 yards

Receiving
Hackett 2 catches, 28 yards
Kelly, 3 catches, 25 yards
Davis 2 catches, 17 yards, 2 fumbles (1 lost)

The Injury Rundown
CB Doug Dutch (hamstring), OT Mike Williams (abdominal strain), OT Scott Burley (left knee strain) and DT Lorenzo Alexander (abdomen/back) left the game and did not return.

Fred Davis on fumbles: "I know I'm a better player than that. I've just got to get on to the next one, next week, and hold on to the ball."

By Cindy Boren  |  August 13, 2009; 10:48 PM ET
 
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Example-The Detroit Lions became the first winless team in the history of the NFL last year........They were 4-0 in the preseason. Yes, they looked terrible but it means nothing.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 13, 2009 11:00 PM
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And............the Steelers went 3-1 last preseason.

So, there ya go.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 13, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

great

Posted by: snifsomethingwhite | August 13, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

1 for 11 on 3rd down. Yep, mid-season form already.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 13, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: snifsomethingwhite | August 13, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Let me summarize the game for all of you:

There were no major injuries to our first team players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 13, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Should be interesting to see what happens next week against previously mentioned Steelers.

Is there a way to score negative points in a football game?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 13, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Get ready for another season of no 'O'

Posted by: awfula | August 13, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: snifsomethingwhite | August 13, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

It took one preseason game for someone to call for Zorn's head. Amazing.

Posted by: jcabana | August 13, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: snifsomethingwhite | August 13, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

How many receiver drops did the QBs have to suffer?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 13, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

These results might not be good news for Colt Brennan--at best, third-string QB, at worst being traded or cut.

Posted by: Bombo47jea | August 13, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: snifsomethingwhite | August 13, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: snifsomethingwhite | August 13, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

this team never seems ready to play. It is frustrating to see the ravens offense shred the redskins and they have less talent on offense than we do.

Posted by: anacostia85 | August 13, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Colt who?

Posted by: LarryBud | August 13, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Cult of Colt? Drink the kool-aid already.

Posted by: hithere1 | August 13, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Lets Coachum Up!

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | August 13, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: snifsomethingwhite | August 13, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

FIRE SOMEBODY, JUST NOT THE FRONT OFFICE!!!!!!!!

Posted by: YourPsychologist | August 13, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Omg 0-16 here we come! The sky is falling!

Posted by: jonthefisherman | August 13, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

They were 4-0 in the preseason. Yes, they looked terrible but it means nothing.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 13, 2009 11:00 PM
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Last year the Steelers went 3-1 in the preseason.

So there ya go.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 13, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

That just makes my point. One team did well the other didn't. Nothing can be predicted from the preseason. As I said, history supports me on this.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 13, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people are angry tonight. 3 hours of watching the offense going nowhere. Unbelievable. What's with the dropped passes?

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 13, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

divi,

One of the most mediocre Redskin preseasons from a performance standpoint was in '91. Gibbs was so pissed he had a public tirade (Playboy?). They went 14-2 and won the Super Bowl. It's too early for this garbage and anybody that tries to argue with me about this will lose. As I said, history backs me not the other way around.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 13, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow that was pretty horrible.

Orakpo looked good. Mike Williams, surprisingly good but gassed at the end. As for everyone else, not so much. While not many have commented on it, I was depressed to see RBs and TEs blow by L Fletcher - was hoping he had one more year there but seemed overclassed a lot of the time.

On the O side the Ravens held back a lot more than we did on D, but still looked vastly better (but still pretty crappy to be quite honest).

I shouldn't have listened to the snippets coming out from training camp - Tryon and Sleepy were going to be great etc.

Maybe just a tough night. But to be beaten up and down the field by the Ravens is not a very good sign. Others see any signs of optimism?

Posted by: zornskins2 | August 13, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: snifsomethingwhite | August 13, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

wins and losses don't mean much in preseason - but not being competitive is concerning

Posted by: coparker5 | August 13, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

My biggest concern is the kicking game. Don't want to wear out Hunter Smith in game 1 of the preseason.

And since I couldn't watch, can anyone tell me who got the better of the placekicker duel, Raymer or Suisham?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 13, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the Iggles are gonna try and figure out how to get Vick involved while McNabb is playing QB.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 13, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I have to disagree strongly about the Ravens holding back. They played their first and secon units a lot longer than the Skins did. Not saying there's anything wrong with that. In addition they blitzed rather regularly.

I thought Jarmon, Moore, and Westbrook fared OK amongst the bottom dwellars.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 13, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

And since I couldn't watch, can anyone tell me who got the better of the placekicker duel, Raymer or Suisham?


That is the biggest debacle of all...the lame asses couldn't even muster up a chance for the kickers to prove their worth(or lack there of). Terrible.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 13, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm really annoyed to see the Tryon is still an awful cb. He spent all offseason working with #28 and he couldn't get anything fromt it? He was getting dominated by everyone... not just the bigger wrs like Sunshine Joe over there kept saying... everyone... and it doesn't matter who it is, if he wants to play he has to be able to man bigger wrs and clearly he can't cover anyone so...

However, I agree with croftonpost... one preseason game means little. I agree the effort was low and there was no real sense of urgency or anything... however we have 3 more of these and lots of time to correct mistakes (like cutting Tryon). We did see Orakpo dominate without Haynesworth in there and we did see Jarmon step in and play well again. If Carlos plays I think our D could be special.

Offensively, our line played alright to start and Campbell didn't do too bad... clearly we have work to do but thats what the PRESEASON is for... so lets calm down and see how the rest of the month goes... if this happens again... and again...and again... then panic

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | August 13, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Concerning I can agree with. However, thinking the sky is falling at this point is idiotic.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 13, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Fisherman, anything less than 10-6 and a playoff berth is the sky falling, especially when you've had an owner who has mismanaged a beloved franchise with arrogance and incompetence for the last, lord almighty, decade; yes, that's ten years of utter crap. Wake up, good people get treated horribly by this owner, his complete idiocy has either ruined or scared off an astonishing number of promising players while only overpaying for the worst. I'm ready to believe again, but there's no way in hellz I'm giving this owner the benefit of the doubt when it comes to fielding teams that stank it up in preseason, no benefit of the doubt until he fields a team that can win, somewhere, sometime.

Posted by: YourPsychologist | August 13, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

1st preseason game is about starting to shake off rust for the vets ... nothing more.

Its big for guys that are competing for jobs at the end of the roster ... and on that front, seems some guys lost and some won.

As ugly as it sounded, I'll lose no sleep over this game because it seems we had minimal injuries to key guys.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 13, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

According to preseason pubs, the last CB battle is Westbrook vs Tryon. If I'm Westbrook then I'm sleeping a whole lot better this evening.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 13, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

thats 3 hours of all your lives you'll never get back.
Save your money on tickets or Direct TV.. sell or cancel both and enjoy time with your loved ones (or yourself). This season is a set-up-to-fail-unload-JC season while we waste a first place Defense on a last place Offense.
We have a QB coach pretending to be a Head Coach saving Snyder a ton of cash while he waits for Shanahan in 2010.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | August 13, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Can you say kneejerk? Relax people. Wait until the 3rd preseason game to start getting upset. I didn't see the game but it sounds like good things happened. No one important got hurt. The line held up okay from all reports and we didn't play AH, SM, CP, RT, CR, et al. Now they have some film against another team. This is how they will improve. I'm excited now as they didn't let Campbell get crushed. We know the D will be good.

Posted by: atari1317 | August 13, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

I know there is validity to it, but the Snyder angle is getting very old now. In his defense, he hasn't been the reckless owner he once was ever since Gibbs returned. I'm not saying he is a saint but he also isn't the same guy who brought in Bruce and Deion. The debacle of a few years ago was Gibbs doing. He admitted as much last week on 980.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 13, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM is exactly right. Which quarterback will he pursue in the draft?

Posted by: YourPsychologist | August 13, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

F preseason.

Thanks for the coverage up here, though, Cyn City and team.

I need a beer.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 13, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update, Cindy! :)

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 13, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Crofton, a good owner wouldn't have ALLOWED gibbs to screw it up, e.g., bringing in mark effing brunel to qback; totally insane and it should have been prevented.

Posted by: YourPsychologist | August 13, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

YP,

I totally disagree with you. A good owner brings in a football man like Gibbs and then lets him do his thing. He doesn't interfere. That is exactly what we don't want Snyder doing. I give you Ted Leonsis. Now there's a good owner and he lets his hockey people run it.

Like them or not, Cerratto and Zorn need to make the calls as they are football professionals.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 13, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM is exactly right. Which quarterback will he pursue in the draft?

Posted by: YourPsychologist | August 13, 2009 11:39 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
good Q, psych.. They say the upcoming draft has the greatest QB talent since the 83 Marino Elway Draft. Actually 4 QBs of that standard..

Vinny is extremely tight with Shanahan from the SF days. Follow the money and you can see Snyders strategy.. 250+mil into the D and less than 10 mil into the O (Dockery was cut).
Shanahan (a WCO Offensive Head Coach) would want all Draft picks in tact and no long term Offensive contracts if he was to come "on board"..... Seems to be exactly where the Skins will be in 2010.

I am excited about 2010, not 2009. Dan an I will both save money, this year.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | August 13, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Everyone who is freaking out really needs to relax. The first teamers barely played on both sides. You have to look at the positives here.
-NO INJURIES
-MALCOLM showed flashes that we have all heard about
-ORAKPO is nasty, it seemed like every time he lined up on the edge he was getting to the QB, he would have had a sack for sure if he wasnt held when Troy Smith was rolling to his right, and the Olineman got called for it.
-Fred Davis looks like he can make plays..minus the fumbles, I was really worried but Zorn said in the press conference that was the first time he had seen Davis fumble. Probably a fluke.
-JEREMY JARMON played very well. Looks like we made a nice move there. Can you imagine getting ready for your last summer before you leave college and then having everything change on u like that. We picked him up maybe a month ago and now he is going up against NFL players and playing really well.
I was most interested in seeing what Orakpo, Jarmon, Davis, Kelly, and Thomas did and I saw some bright spots.

Posted by: jeffco01 | August 14, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

The biggest concern at this point is not that the skins lost, its preaseason, doesn't matter. The concern is that they scored ZERO points.
Remember last year, how we got trumped by the panthers like 46-0...
We can't do that, I don't care if its 2nd or 3rd stringers, you just can't do that to be competetive. At least score a field goal for heaven's sake.
That is why people are freaking out, its because we all have that feeling again. And, you know what I mean if you have watched this team for the past ten years.
-2 cents

Posted by: BMACattack | August 14, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Weak performance on all sides of the ball. Return game awful. We can justify this ineptness as pieces were missing from offense and defense, but this game was horrible.

Cuts I'd make after game one: CB Tyron - never where he needed to be; weak player last year and despite the Darrell Green intervention, you simply can't turn a potted plant into a CB. TE Davis - horrible player last year - not a self-starter - fumbler - and was as effective as he was last year. Those two would be fired to show pathetic preparation equals unemployment.

Orakpo and Jarmon - as advertised. Can't wait to see these two more.

I didn't see a thing tonight that makes me comfortable about the start of the season. When you can't score against third stringers, there is something fishy in Washington.

Posted by: laserwizard | August 14, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

"And since I couldn't watch, can anyone tell me who got the better of the placekicker duel, Raymer or Suisham?

Posted by: zcezcest1"

It was actually quite intriguing, this matchup. I'm tempted to say Suisham got the best of Rayner, but deep down my heart knows Rayner was just as impressive. Both guys fought their guts out tonight, they really did. Well played all around. Their performances certainly have me looking forward to next week, where at least one of them should get their first FG attempt of the campaign.

Posted by: psps23 | August 14, 2009 1:39 AM | Report abuse

The good:

-Orakpo: Downright unblockable against the second team. In the first team situation, fared well in coverage.

-Kelly: Showed why he's the most unique option the Skins have. Great hands, wingspan, and body positioning coming over the middle. Nobody makes that catch with any sort of regularity.

-Thomas: Looked more comfortable and assertive out there, and made some nice plays.

-Davis: Fumbles are correctable. The reports that suggest he's hell to cover reflected themselves tonight.

-First-team pass-protection: Surprising, to say the least. Cooley got owned on a blitz pickup, but other than that, they held up surprisingly well. Terrible run-blocking, though.

- Jeremy Jarmon: Looks as if he could contribute much earlier than expected. Pleasant surprise.

The bad:

- Tryon was abused by the Ravens first team.

- Barnes seems way behind. He was also abused on a couple of occasions.

- London Fletcher. I've never seen him get beat as badly as Ray Rice did. Not only did he look slow on that play, but he completely over-committed and was turn completely around on the route. That was ugly. I hope his age isn't catching up with him.

- Offensive rhythm in general: there was none. Still looked stagnant and rigid.

Posted by: psps23 | August 14, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

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