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Redskins fire Jim Zorn after 2 seasons

Updated at 8:46 a.m.

The Washington Redskins fired Coach Jim Zorn this morning, ending a two-year stint that began with his surprising elevation from an obscure quarterbacks coach and finished with a dismissal that seemed inevitable after the Redskins' disastrous four-win season.

"The status quo is not acceptable," General Manager Bruce Allen said in a statement. "I felt it was necessary to not waste a moment of time to begin building this team into a winner."

The Redskins will hold a press conference at 12:30 p.m., at which Allen will discuss the decision. The team announced the firing at 7:40 a.m. on ESPN 980, after initial reports on WRC and WUSA.

"It's a reality. We've been hearing about it for a long time," offensive coordinator Sherman Smith said via CSN Washington. "I'm sad. Jim's a good friend and I think he's a good coach, and I think he came here with a lot of hope of wanting to help the Redskins get back to being that team that they were in the early '90s and late '80s when they were winning Super Bowls. I'm sad about that."

Zorn, 56, didn't comment after he returned from his team's trip to San Diego, where it lost the season finale 23-20 to finish 4-12, the team's worst record in 15 years. He finished his tumultuous tenure 12-20, and had one year left on his contract.

He came directly to Redskins Park from the airport, arriving just ahead of buses carrying players at roughly 2:15 a.m. Most players and coaches - including defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth and defensive coordinator Greg Blache - walked directly to their cars, but others went into the building. As he walked to his car, Blache told the media, "Let the dude go." Secondary coach Jerry Gray and offensive coordinator Sherman Smith left shortly afterward.

At around 2:45, Redskins' security ordered all media to leave the parking lot, with one security member saying that it was so that Zorn would not be bothered when he left the building. Over the next two hours, coaches continued to leave the property and at about 4:30 a.m., running backs coach Stump Mitchell got into his car. Redskins staff members came out of the building about 10 minutes later and walked toward the media room, which is in a different building, presumably to assure that Zorn would not be bothered by the small media group that had approached Mitchell.

Zorn then came out and walked to his white Porsche Cayenne with a staff member at his side and left the park at 4:43 a.m., talking on his cellphone as he drove out of the parking lot.

The Redskins may swiftly announce his replacement, possibly within hours. In December, Washington forced out longtime front office executive Vinny Cerrato and announced the hiring of new general manager Bruce Allen within two hours, putting in motion the overhaul of the franchise's infrastructure after a 10-year period that featured just two playoff appearances.

Former Denver and Oakland coach Mike Shanahan, who won two Super Bowls with Hall of Fame quarterback John Elway and the Broncos, has been the presumed hire for weeks. Several NFL sources have said over the past month that they believe Shanahan has long been the choice of Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder, who now must hire his seventh head coach since he took control of the team in 1999.

The Redskins are already cleared to make a swift hire. The Fritz Pollard Alliance, which oversees the NFL's so-called "Rooney Rule" that requires teams to interview at least one minority candidate for head coaching and top-level front office positions, said last month that current secondary coach Jerry Gray, an African American, has already interviewed for Zorn's job. The alliance, therefore, believes the Redskins have complied with the rule, and no further interviews would be necessary.

By Barry Svrluga, Jason Reid and Paul Tenorio  |  January 4, 2010; 5:20 AM ET
 
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Comments

FIRST to say problem with Skins is still lack of stability. Shanahan won't turn this franchise around if he's gone in 5 years and the team doesn't have someone internal to continue the work he starts.

Posted by: mmeixler | January 4, 2010 5:32 AM | Report abuse

first

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | January 4, 2010 5:37 AM | Report abuse

LOL first to report it in the last comment section?

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | January 4, 2010 5:37 AM | Report abuse

So, the only honest, stand-up guy in the entire organization was "escorted to his car by security". Dan Snyder...always classy.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 4, 2010 5:41 AM | Report abuse

This move needed to happen, but did they really need to have security escort him out the door? C'mon man. The guy's been a class act through a lot of . . . stuff, and they have security escort him to his car like he was caught stealing sodas from the stock room. Way to show you're a first class organization!

Posted by: mknight1 | January 4, 2010 5:41 AM | Report abuse

LOL first to report it in the last comment section?

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | January 4, 2010 5:37 AM | Report abuse

*********
word, I did see that... I'll give you the first cred.

Posted by: mmeixler | January 4, 2010 5:41 AM | Report abuse

“He was escorted to his car by team security some two hours later.” – Nice.

Good thing too – Snyder doesn’t want Zorn stealing any team towels or that offensive playbook!

I hope Shanahan (or whomever) has TOTAL control – but I get a bad feeling we may be in for more of the same after 1 year. I dunno – a decade of the same thing over and over can do that to a fan.

This team just keeps treating people like garbage.

Posted by: imckalivas | January 4, 2010 5:46 AM | Report abuse

So he would have stayed as coach if the Redskins had beaten the Chargers? Zorn should have been fired mid-season.

Posted by: blasmaic | January 4, 2010 5:54 AM | Report abuse

I heard this first at half-time of the broadcast, attributed by WTTG to an anonymous NFL source. What kind of creep would do that *during* the guy's last game? Small wonder that they lost to the Cahrgers' second string.

Posted by: Pete11 | January 4, 2010 5:54 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who the coach is, was, or is going to be. Snyder is the problem.

Posted by: tristesse27 | January 4, 2010 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Yes!!!! Bring in Shanahan, get Campbell walking and let's get this 4-12 outta here!!

Posted by: Truth6 | January 4, 2010 6:02 AM | Report abuse

I will have some hope for this team when Dan Snyder publicly describes how he will focus on revenue and marketing issues while leaving football AND CONTRACT decisions to Bruce Allen and other professionals. By the way Dan, the customer satisfaction side of the marketing work is now a full-time job. I have not purchased a Redskin ticket or piece of merchandise in longer than I can remember, and I watched more of the Ravens than the Skins this season. Sad state of affairs for a 50-plus DC native.

Posted by: snakebit | January 4, 2010 6:03 AM | Report abuse

Zorn was escorted out by security. Give a friggin break. What was he gonna do, steal a bunch of shoulder pads and jock straps on his way out? Good luck JZ, you deserved a heck of a lot better than this....

Posted by: randysbailin | January 4, 2010 6:03 AM | Report abuse

Fired in the middle of the night - after a cross-country flight?


How BRUTAL can you be ?


No wonder this is a disfunctional organization.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | January 4, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if zorn is thinking: "gee wiz, if i hadnt of lost to a team playing all of its second and third stringers while I was playing my starters, i would still have a job"

If anyone heard his post game presser yesterday, zorn was asked if he was given a fair chance with the roster. Zorns response was "nothing in life is fair"...in other words, NO, MY ROSTER SUCKED, MY QB DIDNT HAVE TIME TO BREATHE IN THE POCKET, THANKS VINNY, THANKS ALOT

Posted by: kickass10101 | January 4, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

One can only hope that the league has a lock out in 2010 rather than 2011. The team is awful, the coaching staff is not up to the task (the defense looked really back against second stringers yesterday), and the ownership is a perfect example of an arrogant little rich boy manipulating something for which he has no understanding.

I don't care who they bring in as a head coach, that person won't succeed without the ability to install his own staff. Everything about the Redskins management style for the past 11 seasons needs to be thrown out the window.

Posted by: tkoho | January 4, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Dan you fired the wrong person.You need to fire the man in your mirror. Please sell our team.

Posted by: Ducktoon | January 4, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Snyder apparently went out of his way to exclude the Post from any knowledge of what happened. That raises the Post in my eyes. I think he hates you guys. If he had any sense he wouldn't have so many enemies, and any reporter who calls him a friend is suspicious to me.

Posted by: kls1 | January 4, 2010 6:08 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if we can use our first round draft pick to draft a new owner?

Posted by: scholar2008 | January 4, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

I suppose that Zorn had to be fired in the pre-dawn hours before any media arrived at Redskins Park. After all, training camp starts in just 6 1/2 short months and there's not a moment to lose....

Posted by: randysbailin | January 4, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

being escorted out upon firing is typical policy of most companies in firing situations.

Zorn is a nice guy, classy but I will not miss the incompetence, forgot the offense, I think of clock management/blown time outs, etc.


Posted by: mikeskapla | January 4, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

During the last 10 years, we have fired coaches and still never won a meaningful game...it's not the coach folks. It's a lack of Football intellect within the Organizations management.

Posted by: Coachwash10 | January 4, 2010 6:24 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is a classy guy and will do very well with the next organization that he works for.

I still think Dungy would be a better choice for head coach but he is too classy to work for Snyder.

Posted by: grobinette | January 4, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

Who's the GM of the Redskins?

So who do think (now take a deep breath and concentrate) would have fired Zorn?

Posted by: PCinOz | January 4, 2010 6:29 AM | Report abuse

FLASH

The Football Genius has struck again. After hiring another Redskins ghost, Bruce Allen, the football owner formerly known as Daniel Snyder amazed and confounded everybody around him with his GENIUS move of firing Jim Zorn as head coach. What will the GENIUS do next? Our reporters understand the GENIUS is secretly cloning DNA from dead, nearly dead, or otherwise now severely overweight former Redskins in a effort to resurrect 1982/3.

Stay tuned.....

Posted by: atidwell | January 4, 2010 6:30 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins had more than two playoff appearances in the last two years....

Posted by: slydell | January 4, 2010 6:32 AM | Report abuse

I'll miss Zorn and his personality. I like him as a person, not as a head coach though. Very classy and always took the high road.

I thought Chris Mortensen said the Redskins need to comply with the Rooney rule again because the Gray interview happened while Zorn was still the head coach?

Like everyone has said, Dan will quickly announce Shanahan as our coach and make us focus on the positive. Just like he did with firing Vinny and hours later hiring Bruce Allen.

Posted by: rachel216 | January 4, 2010 6:35 AM | Report abuse

wow they just could not wait to give the man time to go hoe and have a good night's sleep and then do this this come the morning oh how dum is this

first to say it 0-16 come 2010

Posted by: joevick | January 4, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

I've known that Jim Zorn was a classy guy for more than twenty-five years. He's had nothing but a good reputation in all of his time in the NFL. The same cannot be said about Dan Snyder. I still refuse to patronize the Redskins in any way until Snyder is no longer the owner of the team. It doesn't matter whom he hires, until he does right by the team, nothing will ever change. I love the Washington Redskins too much to watch this man tear it apart.

Posted by: cirby40 | January 4, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn has class, Dan Snyder does not. Hope Jim walks away with a big pile of Llittle Dan's money. Don't expect the Redskins will ever be able to field a winning team while Dan Snyder is the owner. So long as the fan base keeps buying tickets and merchandise, nothing will change.

Posted by: JCM-51 | January 4, 2010 6:46 AM | Report abuse

The next coach should be someone Snyder can see eye-to-eye with. Hire Tom Cruise!!!

Posted by: rw-c | January 4, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

I feel the Redskins organization, or lack of it, was awful to coach Zorn and that he was set up to fail from the start. I don't see bright days for us as long as Dan Snyder is the owner. I am a Redskins fan and will always be. It is such a shame that Dan came and has totally destroyed a once proud organization. Good Luck Coach Zorn!! It's not your fault you had the hand that was dealt to you.

Posted by: skinsinnj | January 4, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

I still don't get why Snyder has cooled off on Cowher so much. Especially now considering there probably won't be as many jobs open as we thought (Carolina, Cowboys). He seems like the perfect fit for this bunch. The reports are that he's 99.9% sure he's coming back to coach, so I'd bet he'd listen to the Redskins this time around. Seems like another hasty move on Snyder's part.

Posted by: BMoreChil | January 4, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

The next coach should be someone Snyder can see eye-to-eye with. Hire Tom Cruise!!!

Or Emmanuel Lewis!

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

I still don't get why Snyder has cooled off on Cowher so much. Especially now considering there probably won't be as many jobs open as we thought (Carolina, Cowboys). He seems like the perfect fit for this bunch. The reports are that he's 99.9% sure he's coming back to coach, so I'd bet he'd listen to the Redskins this time around. Seems like another hasty move on Snyder's part.

It has nothing to do with Snyder not being interested in Cowher...Cowher wouldn't tolerate little Hitler's pompasity.

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Is this news??! Why are they paying you for a play-by-play of the parking lot activity from when the team returned??! C'mon man!! DAYUMM!!

Posted by: Bacon1 | January 4, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Parking lot play-by-play is the most exciting action we've seen in months.

Malcolm, you run to the Chevy. Santana, button-hook at the BMW. Cooley and Portis, you stay home and block. Jason will throw it into the dumpster.

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Snyder doesn't want to lose Shanahan to another team. He wants to sign him immediately, but can't do it until Zorn is out. That's why the rush.

Best wishes to JZ, a class act all the way.

Posted by: pundito | January 4, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

I didn't know all the little cry babies were up this early, give me a break 95% of companies escort a fired person off the premises. Also they didn't want Zorn to be rushed by reporters, and who cares when it happened. I'm sure Zorn is glad it's over, and he can move back to Seattle and start interviewing for a QB's coach job.

Also for the morons saying nothing has changed he hired a GM with actual experience, and will hire a very good head coach. Would you idiots rather keep Zorn?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse


Jim Zorn - thank you for following in Joe Gibbs' footsteps - like him, you are a class act and a winner in my book, and you have done much to honor God.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 4, 2010 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Zorn was a nice guy, but than again so was Forest Gump.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 7:06 AM | Report abuse

I am glad this season is over! But I am tired of these coaching retreads of old Hads. Zorn was a bad hire as head coach in the begining. This already selected pick, I don't like. What about coaches of color with experience of years in the background? Maybe we need to change that too after all these years. And the way Jason Campbell was treated by Zorn and the Redskins was ashame! He really never had the time to throw down field. He took a beating running for his life with that old "O" line. We needed them the past two years, and they never really picked them in the draft or free agent. I spent the year watching Virginia Tech Football. A real Football team running real plays.

Posted by: QuietStormX | January 4, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

OH AND REV UP THE OFF SEASON BAND WAGON!!!

FYI this was the original band wagon. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/bandwagon.jpg

Snyder's band wagon is: http://www.adrenalin.com.au/files/adventures/images/12820/stretch-hummer-adventure-1-hour-mon-thurs-sydney_large.jpg

which makes some sense and far better than the band wagon vinny used to woo talent: http://media.photobucket.com/image/clown%20car/dawnhulio/clown-car.jpg

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

BLATCHE:

"Let the dude go" What was that? Like get up off him(ZORN)? Or, fire his azz? Obvious detachment from JZ is evident either way. So does GB think he'll be staying on at REDSKINS PARK?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 4, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

It's perversely ironic that Zorn was escorted off of the premises by security, while Gilbert Arenas, who almost staged a re-enactment of High Noon in the locker room, was in the Wizards lineup against the Spurs on Saturday ...

Posted by: randysbailin | January 4, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

It's sad, but so farcical it's actually becoming easier to cope with. What-ever! You know the music they play as all the performers roll in to the big top at the start of a circus?....

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | January 4, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Drafting 4th? Okung should still be there. Lets go Oline rebuilding.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 4, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

randysbailin,
Thats because Gilbert has 90 million more than Zorn

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

"I still don't get why Snyder has cooled off on Cowher so much....... Seems like another hasty move on Snyder's part."

Posted by: BMoreChil | January 4, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

My understanding is that COWHER wants no part of the REDSKINS with DAN SNYDER as owner.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 4, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be funny if Shanahan is playing Snyder to up his salary with the Cowboys? If they lose against the Eagles that job may be open...

Posted by: minorthread | January 4, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

BLATCHE:

"Let the dude go" What was that? Like get up off him(ZORN)? Or, fire his azz? Obvious detachment from JZ is evident either way. So does GB think he'll be staying on at REDSKINS PARK?

Posted by: glawrence007

Blache was simply telling the media to leave Zorn alone - they had harassed him enough and let him go in peace. It was a respectful comment by Blache.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 4, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

It's so farcical it's actually becoming easier not to get upset about. What-ever! In my head I have the music they play as all the performers march in to the big top at the start of a circus. JZ the ringmaster (or is that The Bingo Caller, or the DBs coach...), Big Mike Sellers as the muscle man in leapordskin toga, the Three Second Rounders as Clowns in the car that keeps falling apart, ARE the hire wire walker frozen in place, Los the juggler who can't catch, etc etc....

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | January 4, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be funny if Shanahan is playing Snyder to up his salary with the Cowboys? If they lose against the Eagles that job may be open...

Posted by: minorthread | January 4, 2010 7:20 AM |

He wont have the chance because he will be hired today.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Memo to Shanahan: You're this team's 7th coach in a decade. If you're looking at property in the Washington area, you might want to consider renting...

Posted by: randysbailin | January 4, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Thank God that phase of the nightmare ends. Zorn was only here because nobody would touch the Skins with Cerrato in charge. He had no choice but to choose Zorn - sort of ironic. Best of luck to him in his future. But it's time to move on.

Posted by: egrib | January 4, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Now we can look at the end of season stats between the 2 QB's Snyder wanted, and Campbell. Remember we almost traided a top 4 pick for one of these guys

Apparently Cutler netted a whopping 48 more yards then Campbell. 7 more TD's 11 more INTs, he had a worse 1st down %, more 20+ yard plays, less 40+ yard plays, and all this while throwing 50 more pass attempts.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Snyder keeps firing the same people that he himself hires. Hmmm... I wonder where the problem lies...

Posted by: randysbailin | January 4, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

So when Snyder hires Shanahan, exactly what does "General Manager" Allen do? Move when the puppet strings are pulled just like when Mortimer Vinnie Snerd moved when short fella Dano Charlie McCarthy pulled the strings.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 4, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I hope Zorn goes to a team with more class, does well and kicks the Skins but like Norv has done.

Posted by: fred35 | January 4, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Ops should have written BUTT not but

Posted by: fred35 | January 4, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Memo to Shanahan: You're this team's 7th coach in a decade. If you're looking at property in the Washington area, you might want to consider renting...

Posted by: randysbailin

I am sick to death of hearing everyone - especially the media - say that we have been through 6 coaches - please people, Terry Robieski does not count!!!! He was interim coach for 3 flippin' games - was NEVER hired as a head coach.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 4, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

I hope Zorn goes to a team with more class, does well and kicks the Skins but like Norv has done.

Posted by: fred35 | January 4, 2010 7:33 AM |

I hope your Cowboys get crushed next week by the Eagles, also I think I hear the Dallas blog calling you.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

"Let the dude go" What was that? Like get up off him(ZORN)? Or, fire his azz? Obvious detachment from JZ is evident either way. So does GB think he'll be staying on at REDSKINS PARK?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 4, 2010 7:12 AM | "

He's telling the media guys not to bother him.

Posted by: SmashMouth | January 4, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

I am sick to death of hearing everyone - especially the media - say that we have been through 6 coaches - please people, Terry Robieski does not count!!!! He was interim coach for 3 flippin' games - was NEVER hired as a head coach.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 4, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

And this makes the point any less appropriate how?

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

The truth comes out the media that was at Redskins Park is reporting that Zorn was not escorted off the premises he left by himself. So for all you little cry babies don't believe everything you hear.

Also JR do a little research before you report things that arn't true.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

I am sick to death of hearing everyone - especially the media - say that we have been through 6 coaches - please people, Terry Robieski does not count!!!! He was interim coach for 3 flippin' games - was NEVER hired as a head coach.

Posted by: Lisa_R


LMAO!

The truth hurts when you hear it, especially when you already know it and you keep hearing it.

Five, six... what's the difference really?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

am sick to death of hearing everyone - especially the media - say that we have been through 6 coaches - please people, Terry Robieski does not count!!!! He was interim coach for 3 flippin' games - was NEVER hired as a head coach.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 4, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

And this makes the point any less appropriate how?

Posted by: mebail

It is untrue. That is the point.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 4, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

they should have fired zorn in sd after the game and give him a one way ticket to seattle. it would have been a short plane trip. his family probably did a baltimore colts move and moved their in the middle of the night sat.

Posted by: rls1041 | January 4, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

hahahaha... Flound is listening to 980.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Well, after listening to sportstalk 980, this article is total crap. Zorn was not escorted out of the building this morning, the Redskins issued a statement denying that. Gotta love the Washington Sports media.

I hope we don't come under nuclear attack today as it would never be reported in the Washington DC area because the Redskins fired their coach, that is the bigger story.

Posted by: Davo61 | January 4, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

If I'm JZ I would be a happy man right now. Sometimes I think they should fire us tormented fans. PLEASE get this right, we don't have to be the offseason headline champs but it looks like that's the way it's headed.

Posted by: last1 | January 4, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Five coaching changes in 10 years, six coaching changes in ten years...

Either way it speaks to the instability of this organization.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Now that JZ has been release he can take a deep breath and say I gave it my all which I think he did. He also showed he is above any games that were played in front of him & behind his back by the man who was let go in December. Vinny was the man in charge and made dum butt moves that leaves the redskins in really bad shape. I do believe that the redskin are 3-4 players away from post season and that would be upgrading the O-line with the 4th pick a OT is right there for the taking and a O-line guard that's 2 picks . Then I would use a 4th or 5th on a durable running back and clean house of the 3 we have right now Portis , betts and Cartwright seeya later. I would sigh O-line players to the practice squad and develop them . Jason Campbell deserves a new 2 year contract with a option for a third year. I would not sign any defensive players except a safety and move Laundry back to his neutral spot.I think we can deal # 47 Cooley and get 2 picks for him with that happening we can sign 1 more lineman 2nd-4th round lineman. We also need to put
Arakpo back at DE and let him eat OT all day . We can get a decent "will backer" in the draft or use chris Wilson I have watch him develop into a monster on S-teams.# 26 alexander has played well enough to merit some rotation on the D-line next year also with Jeremy the 3rd round pick.Also This team does not need a new franicise qb this will hurt us we will look crappy for 3 more years the rumors will be Mike Shanahan is going to be fired because he has a # 1 pick for a qb but could not lead us to a playoff while we have 3rd and 4th string Olineman playing will not work Dan. Dan do the right thing and let Bruce do his job. If Jerry Jones can do it you can. The Washington Redskins is in MY blood. When I was 7 years old my dad bought me that cool redskin jacket , the maroon with gold sleeves I was so proud to wear it back then but now I won't wear my redskins leather ball cap signed by riggo & Gibbs ...so sad
We do not need to blow this up what we need is to clean it up. Kelly and Thomas can play I dream of Moss - Thomas and Kelly in the slot . Then we have Mitchell that can go get it. And with Davis at H-back...T/E we got the players that can make plays. There is a nother Peterson just waiting in the 4th round .

Please dan let them manage the team and please let them coach the team. All you need to do Dan is ask questions of why we doin that then agree without cause. Please Dan bring back the Redskins of the NFC East . we are right there and need 3-4 players to make this a turn around off season .

Posted by: terryreece | January 4, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Well, after listening to sportstalk 980, this article is total crap. Zorn was not escorted out of the building this morning, the Redskins issued a statement denying that. Gotta love the Washington Sports media.

I hope we don't come under nuclear attack today as it would never be reported in the Washington DC area because the Redskins fired their coach, that is the bigger story.

Posted by: Davo61

LMAO... everyone in the DMV is tuned into 980!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Listening to the dopes on WTEM right now, the stupid factor exponentially increased with Doc Walker on now .. from Doc's perspective, if Zorn had just listened to him .. oh how the season would have been saved. Spare me.

Anyway Skins' fans, it's the beginning of the Curse of Jim Zorn era. The price you, the media and, no doubt, Snyder will pay for trashing a decent man for the past 18 months.

Enjoy.

Posted by: tslats | January 4, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Zorn was a good man and a good coach -- just in over his head.

Wasn't his fault.

I hope he gets every single nickel the shrimp is supposed to pay him and then takes his considerable energy to a 1-AA program and then either returns as an NFL Coordinator or a 1-A coach.

Posted by: singleseatbiggermeat | January 4, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Remember how Spurrier handled the situation from a Florida golf course! Snyder wasn't about to be embarrassed like that again. So I'm OK with how this messy situation has ended.

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | January 4, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Anyway Skins' fans, it's the beginning of the Curse of Jim Zorn era. The price you, the media and, no doubt, Snyder will pay for trashing a decent man for the past 18 months.

Enjoy.

Posted by: tslats | January 4, 2010 7:56 AM |

How do you know he's a decent man do you know him.

There are lots of decent men who get fired in the sports world so stop crying for him.

He made a lot of money, is he going to give any of it back for being a bad coach?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Fired personnel are often escorted off the property to protect themselves, other employees and company property.

Posted by: ItsOver2 | January 4, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, you have to feel sorry for Zorn. Poor guy gets $2 million for doing nothing. Feel sorry for the folks who got ripped by Madoff, got laid off (with no golden parachute). Zorn will be okay (heck he has a Porsche for god's sake !!).

Hopefully Snyder will clean house and not keep anybody. Time for Blache to also go. His defense was good until crunch time.

Go Skins.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | January 4, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Until Snyder sells the team to an owner who is more concerned with winning than making a profit, the firing is really a non-issue.
I am sure it's been said before (I guess I am just venting...), but Snyder is too much of an egomaniac to allow anyone other than the man in the mirror to pull the strings.
While getting rid of Vinny "mini-me" Cerrato, was a start, unless and until Snyder either: a) sells the team, b)grows up and realizes that his job is to sign the checks and stay out of the way, or c)gets hit on the head, gets amnesia and follows the path noted in either a or b, this is just another trip around the vicious cycle...

Posted by: TimDz | January 4, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Post should organize a vote: Should Snyder stay or leave? I suspect the vote will be a landslide. How do you bring competition to a monopoly loser?

Posted by: mamoorstein | January 4, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

timdz,

Snyder is all about winning otherwise he wouldn't spend so much of the money he makes on players. If Snyder cared only about profits we would be at the cap minimum.

He is going to give over full control to the new guys or else they wouldn't have come here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Zorn was never qualified to be a NFL head coach. Dan Snyder has a history of over looking qualified Black coaches. Foe example when he hired Steve Spurier from the college ranks HE overlooked Marvin Lewis, which was a hugh mistake. Know he interviewed Jerry Gray as the ONLY minority candidate. There are many qualified Black coaches who will not get an interview. Snyder has already hired Mike Shanahan. The NFL must make Synder honor the so called "Rooney Rule" just to make sure teams do not use it a a shame. Washington, DC is a predominately Black city and the people will not tolorate an owner who is racially bias. Dan Synder please "SELL THE TEAM".

Posted by: rkornegay1 | January 4, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Post should organize a vote: Should Snyder stay or leave? I suspect the vote will be a landslide. How do you bring competition to a monopoly loser?


Posted by: mamoorstein | January 4, 2010 8:01 AM |

Who cares it's his team and he can't be forced to sell it, the only way he might sell it is if everyone stops buying tickets and thats not going to happen.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

hopefully whoever comes in has some b***ocks. So much conservatism this season - too many runs, esp 1st down and 3rd down, too many hitches, too many dump offs and screens to the backs and TEs, not enough throws downfield, not enough blitzes. ST trick plays just about the only regular boldness...

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | January 4, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Zorn was never qualified to be a NFL head coach. Dan Snyder has a history of over looking qualified Black coaches. Foe example when he hired Steve Spurier from the college ranks HE overlooked Marvin Lewis, which was a hugh mistake. Know he interviewed Jerry Gray as the ONLY minority candidate. There are many qualified Black coaches who will not get an interview. Snyder has already hired Mike Shanahan. The NFL must make Synder honor the so called "Rooney Rule" just to make sure teams do not use it a a shame. Washington, DC is a predominately Black city and the people will not tolorate an owner who is racially bias. Dan Synder please "SELL THE TEAM".

Posted by: rkornegay1 | January 4, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Zorn was never qualified to be a NFL head coach. Dan Snyder has a history of over looking qualified Black coaches. Foe example when he hired Steve Spurier from the college ranks HE overlooked Marvin Lewis, which was a hugh mistake. Know he interviewed Jerry Gray as the ONLY minority candidate. There are many qualified Black coaches who will not get an interview. Snyder has already hired Mike Shanahan. The NFL must make Synder honor the so called "Rooney Rule" just to make sure teams do not use it a a shame. Washington, DC is a predominately Black city and the people will not tolorate an owner who is racially bias. Dan Synder please "SELL THE TEAM".

Posted by: rkornegay1 | January 4, 2010 8:03 AM |

Get off of it the Rooney rule is a shame he owns the team and should be able to hire anyone he wants.

The Skins have a very diverse staff and front office so take your racial crap somewhere else.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

I am SO tired of hearing how Zorn is such a decent person.He may be a great person but he sucked as a coach!We should have known we were doomed when he said Maroon and gold!He may have been the worst coach in the league but atleast he was given a chance at the big time and the big payday!Any one of us would relish the opportunity,I can't feel too sorry for anyone who makes more money than most of us could only dream of!For that kind of money my boss could emasculate me publicly.I would get over it as soon as i saw my bank statement!

Posted by: dqhec | January 4, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

^^^oh no...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Reading this post it seems security escorted him out to keep the media away from him. I am no fan of the way Snyder conducts business and to me he has made a joke of the team this year with all that him and Vinny have done, but I really hope security didnt "escort" Zorn out, I hope that the the escorting was just to keep the media away from him. With that said hopefully the daily drama will end now. I dont know about everyone else but I am tired of this team looking like a soap opera everyday. Hopefully Bruce Allen will end the day to day drama and the media will have football news to report about the skins from now on and not the daily soap opera drama that has been going on all season. That to me is more depressing than 4-12.

Posted by: hudginsc | January 4, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

By the sounds of it the security was by Zorns request or at least to help shield him from the vampire media. They oculdn't get a rise out him when he was the coach, so why not throw a few stones now he's out?

You're a class guy JZ- good luck.

We are now entering the most fun part of a Redskins season- the building of another paper team. Hopefully Danny will hire guys strong enough to turn that paper into an actual football team that can beat back-ups in a game they really didn't care about.

Posted by: fireballhank | January 4, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21: When an owner has an OFFICIAL advertiser for everything from first downs to flushing of the official toilets, profits are high on their radar.

As to your other comment: "He is going to give over full control to the new guys or else they wouldn't have come here."

If you believe that you are either:

a) A Redskins/Snyder employee
b) Deluded
c) Stoned
d) all of the above

I vote a...

What say the rest of you here?

Posted by: TimDz | January 4, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

980 is reporting that Zorn wasn't escorted by security. I'm more inclined to believe them than the Post because 980 hates everybody while the Post continues to constantly shower Zorn in pity/love.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

OFFSEASON CHAMPIONSHIP HERE WE GO!

Let's dust off the old Lombardi's and fire up the microphones...

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 4, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21: When an owner has an OFFICIAL advertiser for everything from first downs to flushing of the official toilets, profits are high on their radar.

As to your other comment: "He is going to give over full control to the new guys or else they wouldn't have come here."

If you believe that you are either:

a) A Redskins/Snyder employee
b) Deluded
c) Stoned
d) all of the above

I vote a...

What say the rest of you here?

Posted by: TimDz | January 4, 2010 8:16 AM |

Whatever if he only cares about profits why does he spend so much money on coaches and players give me an anwser to that.

And your correct I work for the Skins thats so original you must have been reading Corky's post he likes to excuse people of that all the time.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

am sick to death of hearing everyone - especially the media - say that we have been through 6 coaches - please people, Terry Robieski does not count!!!! He was interim coach for 3 flippin' games - was NEVER hired as a head coach.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 4, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

And this makes the point any less appropriate how?

Posted by: mebail

It is untrue. That is the point.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 4, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse


Whaaaaa!!! I've got some Pampers for you.

The coaching situation on this team has been miserable. 5 or 6 coaches in 10 years!?! That is the problem, not the headcount.

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Lets move on we have the 4th pick I would be for trading back but that is up to another team, if you stay at 4 Okung should be there.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

am sick to death of hearing everyone - especially the media - say that we have been through 6 coaches - please people, Terry Robieski does not count!!!! He was interim coach for 3 flippin' games - was NEVER hired as a head coach.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 4, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Firing a coach midseason is a dick move so the interim coach should count. An interim head coach is still a head coach. Look at Tom Cable.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 4, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I am ending my media boycott a la Blache to add my 2 cents.

As long as we get players that matchup with the new system, we should be heading in the right direction. No more "pick the best guy available" crap... pick the guy we scouted to fill the whole we need. I don't think Bruce Allen will treat draft day like a game of Risk with he and Mr. Snyder geeking out over picking the next great super star (I'm not sold on Allen or Shanahan yet, if anyone up here thinks all is well now, they obviously haven't been paying attention the last ten years.) Overhaul the roster and make some changes, but stop the dramatic free agent signings and build it the right way.

The Dorf Abides

Posted by: Dorf | January 4, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I am ending my media boycott a la Blache to add my 2 cents.

As long as we get players that matchup with the new system, we should be heading in the right direction. No more "pick the best guy available" crap... pick the guy we scouted to fill the whole we need. I don't think Bruce Allen will treat draft day like a game of Risk with he and Mr. Snyder drooling over potential league MVP type scenarios. (I'm not sold on Allen or Shanahan yet, if anyone up here thinks all is well now, they obviously haven't been paying attention the last ten years.) Overhaul the roster and make some changes, but stop the dramatic free agent signings and build it the right way.

The Dorf Abides

Posted by: Dorf | January 4, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

The big stories bring out the stupid on here.

Posted by: mack1 | January 4, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

"...and Blache, as he walked to his car, told media members to "let the dude go."


I have to agree--with a caveat.

Yes: Jim Zorn was hired to do a job he obviously wasn't qualified for.

Thing is, he now has experience as an NFL head coach and a $2.5 milion pay day for a year where he won't work.

I'd sign up for a scenario like that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

hole

Posted by: Dorf | January 4, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

$nyder = Low class, low life, bottom feeding, greedy, egotistical, mean spirited, cold, cruel, back stabbing, evil, scum bucket, calculating, dictator, negative, nasty, control freak, poster banning, pedestrian stopping, coach firing, dirt bag, football wanna-be, portuis pockets straightening, sawed-off midget.

BOYCOTT $NYDER-NOT ANOTHER DIME-BOYCOTT $NYDER!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 4, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

And your correct I work for the Skins thats so original you must have been reading Corky's post he likes to excuse people of that all the time.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I think Corky probably likes to ACCUSE people of being Skins employees. Are you the same rocket scientist that decided to sue the old lady, or the brain surgeon that thought a sign ban would be good for team morale?

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I am not going to go head over heels over a Shanahan hire. The past decade has shown that Snyder likes to excite and hype in order to fend off the wolves that are disappointed Redskins fans. This time I'm going to wait for the results (over several seasons) instead of irrationally claiming that we will contend for a Super Bowl. Us 'Skins fans somehow think our boys have been contending for the big prize for some reason.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 4, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

They really need to stop bringing out those Lombardi trophies every time they have a press conference bringing in a new coach or player.

Until they win won in this millennium or win one without the name 'Joe Gibbs' attached to it those things are sort of irrelevant in my opinion.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I think Corky probably likes to ACCUSE people of being Skins employees. Are you the same rocket scientist that decided to sue the old lady, or the brain surgeon that thought a sign ban would be good for team morale?

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 8:32 AM |

I was for sueing people that spent above there means on luxury items, and then instead of calling the team and trying to work it out they just stopped paying.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21: I have neither the time nor the inclination to banter back and forth with you, as you have clearly attached your Official Snyder rose colored glasses/blinders (I'm sure Snyder has a sponsor for them)...

As for my Skins Employee assertion, it wasn't trying to be original, follow along the lines of any other poster or whatever else you want to toss my way.

My original post did not focus solely on profits (although he clearly likes the profits). I think the bigger problem is his ego. I am sure you will have a rationalization for that as well.

I just won't stick around to see it....

Posted by: TimDz | January 4, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I think Corky probably likes to ACCUSE people of being Skins employees. Are you the same rocket scientist that decided to sue the old lady, or the brain surgeon that thought a sign ban would be good for team morale?

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 8:32 AM |

I was for sueing people that spent above there means on luxury items, and then instead of calling the team and trying to work it out they just stopped paying.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse


Ohhhh....then you WEREN'T working in the "spell check" dept.? Now I understand.

P.S. There does not equal Their and Sueing does not equal Sueing, Mr. Snyder.

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

When does Portis get canned?

Posted by: peterandmeredith | January 4, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Is it true that we are going to sign Zimmer as the D coordinator, did anyone hear that? Blache was a big dissapointment this year.

Posted by: joeboggs | January 4, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Lets move on we have the 4th pick I would be for trading back but that is up to another team, if you stay at 4 Okung should be there.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

The problem I have with trading the first round pick is that we really really need a good starting left tackle and they are found in the first 5 picks. We don't need another backup. 4 out of the 5 players on our line are backups. Let's just get the left tackle we need this year and try to get a right tackle and right guard too. Then we can work on QB and RB next year. We need to build this team with quality not just quantity. Left tackle is by far the most important position on the line. It's worth it to take the best guy we can get there.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 4, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Parking lot play-by-play is the most exciting action we've seen in months.

Malcolm, you run to the Chevy. Santana, button-hook at the BMW. Cooley and Portis, you stay home and block. Jason will throw it into the dumpster.

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 7:01 AM

=====================

LOL...awesome!

Posted by: conservativemaverick | January 4, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Any day ending in a 'Y' brings out the stupid people on here. Stupidity doesn't take days off.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21: I have neither the time nor the inclination to banter back and forth with you, as you have clearly attached your Official Snyder rose colored glasses/blinders (I'm sure Snyder has a sponsor for them)...

As for my Skins Employee assertion, it wasn't trying to be original, follow along the lines of any other poster or whatever else you want to toss my way.

My original post did not focus solely on profits (although he clearly likes the profits). I think the bigger problem is his ego. I am sure you will have a rationalization for that as well.

I just won't stick around to see it....

Posted by: TimDz | January 4, 2010 8:36 AM |

Thats right you can't anwser the question so run and hide.

I agree that Snyder has a huge ego but when you say he is all about making money and not winning you are wrong.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Ohhhh....then you WEREN'T working in the "spell check" dept.? Now I understand.

P.S. There does not equal Their and Sueing does not equal Sueing, Mr. Snyder.

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 8:37 AM |

And checking people's spelling on here equals get a life.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I could see Zorn as a head coach at the 1AA level or maybe in a mid-major school, like the Sun Belt or the Mountain West.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Ohhhh....then you WEREN'T working in the "spell check" dept.? Now I understand.

P.S. There does not equal Their and Sueing does not equal Sueing, Mr. Snyder.

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 8:37 AM |

And checking people's spelling on here equals get a life.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I have a life...counting my 2010 $2.5million, one dollar at a time.

Love, JZ.

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Lets move on we have the 4th pick I would be for trading back but that is up to another team, if you stay at 4 Okung should be there.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:27 AM

If he's there and you can't trade back, then he should be the choice. What's interesting for the Skins is that there might be a possibility that both top ranked QBs could still be on board, with several teams needing a QB picking behind them. That trade back situation might be there twice for the Skins if they play their cards right, and with a little luck.

Posted by: TWISI | January 4, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I could see Zorn as a head coach at the 1AA level or maybe in a mid-major school, like the Sun Belt or the Mountain West.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 8:43 AM |

Zorn will be QB's coach in Cleveland book it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

"...and Sueing does not equal Sueing, Mr. Snyder."

Posted by: mebail


Yes it does.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone think its funny that Zorn owns a Porsche...that's an SUV? Who gets a Porsche SUV?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 4, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Hey Flounder21;

If Snyder was all about winning, he never would have fired Shottenheimer. He never would have hired Spurrier. He never would have re-hired Cerrato. He never would have purchased Six Flags or Johnny Rockets. And he would NEVER have guaranteed Haynesworth $41million.

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Somebody wake me up in April...that is all.

Posted by: mattylight | January 4, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

...and Sueing does not equal Sueing, Mr. Snyder."

Posted by: mebail


Yes it does.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse


TOUCHE!

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

TMZ is reporting that Zorn was escorted off the premises in an orange jump suit and handcuffs....

Posted by: randysbailin | January 4, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Zorn will be QB's coach in Cleveland book it.

Posted by: Flounder21


He may be the offensive coordinator. I'll love to see that, he'll be calling reverses for Cribbs on the 2nd play of the game from their own 40.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

After Jim Zorn, select the next redskin player/coach to be tossed by the redskin salad man Bruce Allen:

a. Jason Campbell

b. Greg Blache

c. Danny Smith

d. Jerry Gray

e. Joe Bugel

f. all of the above.

Moe goes with 'F'.

I sense a little house cleaning is about to happen.

If Shanny is coming in, he'll want his people and his kind of quarterback.

Can you say Jimmy Clausen, y'all?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Zorn was forced to bite off more then he could chew but the man just didn't do ANYTHING to prove he was getting a good grasp of being a head coach. I've never seen someone with such a lack of common sense for football. But spare me the "poor Jim Zorn" routine", the man is getting paid millions, I think he'll survive.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 4, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Half of the people posting up here ,
I never even heard of! Just stop your hate . Danny is trying to change his ways but you won't let him . And for the record Jim Zorn was escorted by two staff members to help him with his things and keep the media hounds off of him

Posted by: jiza32 | January 4, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

If Shanny is coming in, he'll want his people and his kind of quarterback.

Can you say Jimmy Clausen, y'all?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2010 8:49 AM |

Moe,

A lot of people think the Rams will take Clausen at 1.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Quick hits:

1) Zorn being fired: Everyone expected this, but everyone should be gleeful that it is confirmed, similar to VC being fired this should keep you happy for at least a day.

2) Zorn being escorted by security or not: who cares? There's way to much comment space being used on this insignificant detail.

3) 5 or 6 Head coaches: I like a forum where facts are checked, it makes for a better discussion. GG Lisa_R

4) 4-12 (the commentor): Was this really your name all season? Congrats, I don't think I'll ever be that pessimistic at the outset.

5) Poor Zorn: I don't feel sorry for him, because he's a millionaire. But he did get screwed. Consider that the GM and Team President got fired, which is an indictment on the roster building. And the coach gets fired too? It's like the organization is saying: "It's unacceptable to do poorly with a crappy roster". I do want a change, but from his perspective this was definitely unfair.

Posted by: REXskins | January 4, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse


Does anyone think its funny that Zorn owns a Porsche...that's an SUV? Who gets a Porsche SUV?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 4, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

you answered your question in your own question. Note to all humanity, the type of people who buy Luxury SUV's are the jim Zorns of the world. And this is why the United States is a failing nation.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Now we know. Our first (?) team can't beat the Chargers 2nd and 3rd stringers. None of our defensive backs can catch the ball and the entire defense looks bad. On the Chargers winning touchdown, no defender was within 15 yards of the receiver. Looks like blowup time to me.

Posted by: oldskinsfan1 | January 4, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey Flounder21;

If Snyder was all about winning, he never would have fired Shottenheimer. He never would have hired Spurrier. He never would have re-hired Cerrato. He never would have purchased Six Flags or Johnny Rockets. And he would NEVER have guaranteed Haynesworth $41million.

Posted by: mebail | January 4, 2010 8:46 AM

Love how some of you guys have been so traumatized by Vinny C, and who keeps dwelling in the past, that you don't really appreciate what Bruce Allen's hiring brings. With the Bruce Allen hiring, the FO changed significantly. There will be a coordinated plan to address the salary structure, and to approach scouting. These are big differences from past offseasons. With the next two offseasons up in the air, having someone with a solid plan will bode well for the team.

Posted by: TWISI | January 4, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Todd Mcshay has the Skins taking freaking Sam Bradford with the 4th over all. Everybody knows how wary NFL offices are about injured players coming out, yet they have Bradford as a top five still? I don't see it. The thing that really gets me though is that Okung is the SECOND tackle taken at like number 7, behind David from Rutgers. I think Mcshay has taken too many beatings from Kiper.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 4, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Who gets a Porsche SUV?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake


Well considering:

Cayenne - $47,000
Cayenne S - $60,000
Cayenne GTS - $80,000
Cayenne Turbo - $110,000
Cayenne Turbo S - $135,000


I'd say people who are making a pretty decent living.

The Cayenne SUV are nice as hell! Inside and out.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

"Todd Mcshay has the Skins taking freaking Sam Bradford with the 4th over all. Everybody knows how wary NFL offices are about injured players coming out, yet they have Bradford as a top five still?"

Again: if Bradford doesn't get injured, he's the top pick.

A Petersen was injured a lot in college and folks avoided him: how did that work out for the vikings?

Thing is, if the team takes Bradford at 4, how do they get the right tackle and guard it obviously needs?

Stay tuned.........

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Please no Sam Bradford! Why did we draft Colt then?

Posted by: joeboggs | January 4, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Todd Mcshay has the Skins taking freaking Sam Bradford with the 4th over all. Everybody knows how wary NFL offices are about injured players coming out, yet they have Bradford as a top five still? I don't see it. The thing that really gets me though is that Okung is the SECOND tackle taken at like number 7, behind David from Rutgers. I think Mcshay has taken too many beatings from Kiper.

Bruce Allen hasn't been here long enough to find the men's room and Shanny isn't even here yet. Who's McShay talking to, the cheerleaders?

Posted by: randysbailin | January 4, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Everyone knew this was going to happen. It's a true shame that such a good man as Zorn was treated so shamelessly by the jerks who own and run the Redskins. The fact of the matter is that, while being a true, honest and quality man, he never really should've been given the job by Cerrato and Snyder. I will never forget the sleazy underhanded attempts to undercut Zorns authority that Cerrato and Snyder pulled - what a bunch of low life dirtbags. Zorn, like the real man he is, persevered in the face of this undermining and kept the majority of his players playing as a team, and his personal and professional integrity intact. Zorn wasn't ready for this job - he's learned a lot and one day, if he ever considers coaching a professional team again, I believe he could do a decent job given the right support and talent, but under the conditions dictated by the Redskin front office - he never really stood a chance.

To Jim Zorn, I wish you well - you showed backbone and integrity when there was very little around you. As far as the world of professional football goes, with it's dirtbag owners, cry baby millionaire "superstars", showboating sleazebag egotistical gangster players - Zorn was a true role model in how to conduct one's self as a man and keep hold of your personal integrity. I'm very sorry he wasn't successful here, but I will always respect him for his efforts.

Now....for the future, who knows...it seems like a bad scene playing out all over again - this time with a new cast of characters. I've seen this too many times in the past 10 years to get my hopes up for improvement - how many times have we been sold this same old story. I'll watch the Caps as my #1 DC team for now and if.... and that's a pretty big if.... the 'Skins ever show improvement, maybe I'll take a ride on the band wagon again, but that ride has lead to way too many disappointments since Snyder took ownership of this team.

To the Redskin organization:
Prove yourself to the fans if you want our respect because right now, you don't deserve it, and the actions of this past year have left a very, very bad impression.

As a side note: God Bless Joe Bugel for his quiet perseverance and quality as well - in the roiling change that is sure to follow, Buge's will most likely get pushed out and retire - Thank You Joe Bugel for all you have meant and done for the fans and the Redskin nation - you are also a man to hold up as a role model and one due our complete respect - I wish you peace, prosperity and success in whatever you choose to do.

Posted by: whelms | January 4, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Please no Sam Bradford! Why did we draft Colt then?

Posted by: joeboggs | January 4, 2010 9:00 AM

Zorn drafted Colt. Colt is going to have a big offseason to stay with the team.

Posted by: TWISI | January 4, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"Our first (?) team can't beat the Chargers 2nd and 3rd stringers."

Bro', didn't Osgood and Floyd make D Thomas and M Kelly look ordinary by comparison?

And those two guys aren't the chargers front line receivers.

The practice squad tackle Dombroski was moved to left tackle from right and handled Orakpo and Carter with no prob.

And can somebody tell me why B Volek isn't a starter in the league?

Damn we suck.

Might as well admit it, homie.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Yeh, I'm glad I got my XMas wish by New Year's weekend. I could go on about how this decision was bungled, too. But I'll focus on how we're moving forward! Yeahs.

Now, if anyone stays of from this current configuration, coarches or playas, there better be a damn good reason...

Just a pitiful, awful year w/ little to no redeeming value. Perhaps the schmidt-canning of VC (and Zoron) is the only grace.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 4, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

If Colt had not got injured this pre-seaon he would have been cut and playing in the AF2 or UFL.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Fire em all, and start anew....every single blasted one of em....get a coach in here who can score points...use players, and get an offense that averages at LEAST 3-4 td's per game....thats what I want...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 4, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

"Zorn then came out and walked to his white Porsche Cayenne"
Hate to pile on, but Jim needs to man that car up a lil bit...

Posted by: Club320 | January 4, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I expect to see a lot of wheeling and dealing this offseason to aquire more picks.

We'll be saying goodbye to some fan favs in the name of rebuilding.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 4, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Forget about Okung.

They need to start scouting the Ole Miss o-line and draft one of those guys.

McCluster was a beast in the Cotton Bowl.

McCluster > Spiller

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

red, agreed on the cayenne, its got nasty horsepower, like in the 400+ range...and I believe it also has all wheel drive...I'd take one of those 7x, and twice on Sunday.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 4, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Tryon must have known that we would pick 4th if he dropped a game winning int. Thanks Justin.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 4, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe Wrote:

"Our first (?) team can't beat the Chargers 2nd and 3rd stringers."

Bro', didn't Osgood and Floyd make D Thomas and M Kelly look ordinary by comparison?

And those two guys aren't the chargers front line receivers.

The practice squad tackle Dombroski was moved to left tackle from right and handled Orakpo and Carter with no prob.

And can somebody tell me why B Volek isn't a starter in the league?

Damn we suck.

Might as well admit it, homie.

The Chargers are loaded. Their GM might be the best personnel guy in the league. Recall that they also had Drew Brees, Michael Turner and they originally drafted Wes Welker.

Posted by: randysbailin | January 4, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

You're right, Whelms! Instead of undercutting him, they should have fired him at the bye.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 4, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Tryon must have known the Skins would pick 4th if he dropped that game clinching int. Thanks Justin.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 4, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"To Jim Zorn, I wish you well - you showed backbone and integrity when there was very little around you. As far as the world of professional football goes, with it's dirtbag owners, cry baby millionaire "superstars", showboating sleazebag egotistical gangster players - Zorn was a true role model in how to conduct one's self as a man and keep hold of your personal integrity."

I like Zorn, but I suspect the reason he insisted on finishing the season had to do with Snyder's not offering him a good enough severance package when they wanted to fire him the first time.

Zorn's a good guy, but he can count, too. In the world of contracts, if the money talks, the coaches walk.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 4, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

You can't compare Peterson's shoulder and Bradford's shoulder, Moe.

Bradford injured his throwing shoulder.

He's a QB. If his shoulder is shot to crap, then what good is he?

No on Bradford. Too much of a risk to be taken that high, and before people compare him to Brees, Brees had four very productive seasons in San Diego before his injury -- he had a body of NFL experience to consider.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

He's telling the media guys not to bother him.

Posted by: SmashMouth | January 4, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

So he speaks in the third person?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 4, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | January 4, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

redDMV

I'm filling you about McCluster.

Dude owned Ok. State.

But we'd need and additional top pick to get him, a quarterback and lineman.

Again: I'd trade the '11 first rounder to get another 2nd rounder.

That's three top picks in rounds 1-2.

You can take a tackle (or two) and a q-back.

Or one of each and Best/McCluster/Spiller.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 4, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Zorn escorted out !!! That's a hoot !! Zorn probably couldn't get to his car fast enough !!!

Shanahan didn't do diddily after Elway retired, but it couldn't get any worse around here ...

And then the Zen master said " We'll see !!"

Posted by: EFitz1000aolcom | January 4, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Volek was the starter for the Titans a few years back. Jeff Fisher benched him in favor of Kerry Collins, then was traded to San Diego for a 6th round pick due to some type of riff between him and Fisher.

And Moe, Osgood had one catch for 17 yards yesterday. Kelly had 5 for 109. What game were you watching? Osgood is a special team warrior and last I checked we had one of those guys.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

The Skins should build the O-Line first. Trade Jason Campbell for a few picks and let Collins run the offense for a season. There isn't a franchise QB in the draft so why burn that pick on a QB that'll get killed behind the current line?

Posted by: randysbailin | January 4, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn brought this on himself. Feeling sorry for him is like feeling sorry for someone with a massive hangover. It's their own damned fault. Man's got to know his limitations.

Synder was hoping Zorn was another Tomlin. If JZ had a record as a team-building guy, he might survive a 4-12 season. Instead, he had trouble getting his young guys on the field until his hand was forced by injury. Fred Davis can play, but until Chris Cooley broke his ankle, Davis seemed a bust. Same goes for Rhinehart, Davis and Kelly. JZ was not giving these guys a chance. Which completely mystifies me. If the Redskins were serious playoff contenders, then yes, stick with the vets. Otherwise, get those young guys in there and let them learn.

What, are you afraid they'll lose you a game to the Lions?

To me, DET was the last straw -- or rather JZ's attitude after DET.

What happens next depends entirely on whether or not 2010 is an uncapped year. If it is, I expect lots of trades, as well as teams cutting non-performers with big contracts. Without a salary cap hit, teams like WAS can trade value to small markets in return for draft choices.

Now that the regular season is over, it is time for the Redskins to commence dominating the off season.

As usual.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 4, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

You cats don't have a clue. People usually don't change and that is espcecially true of men who have significant assets but are vertically challenged.

Do you all really thing Danny Boy is going to change? Bruce Allen is just Danny being Danny. Looking to the past for future. How did the second coming of Saint Joe work out? The second coming of Saint Joe proved it wasn't all the Saint but the whole coaching staff.

So two years from now you all will be talking about Mikey and Brucie getting their walking papers from Danny after two losing seasons. How did Mikie do with out Johnny? Was Brucie really all that good?

But the Redskins won their 10th peseason in row in December! Have to look at the positives don't we little Flounder!

Daniel Snyder announced his newest coach today for the 2012 season Tom Coughlin current color commentator for the NFL network and former Super Bowl winning coach. Fat Albert Haynesworth was heard beating feet to see Danny and demand a trade!

Posted by: omarthetentmaker | January 4, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Don't know what the solution is for coaching. The one suggestion would be for whoever gets hired to have an "owner stays out of the locker room" clause in his contract like Joe Gibbs did.

Posted by: treadlefish | January 4, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Consider that the GM and Team President got fired, which is an indictment on the roster building. And the coach gets fired too? It's like the organization is saying: "It's unacceptable to do poorly with a crappy roster". I do want a change, but from his perspective this was definitely unfair.

Posted by: REXskins | January 4, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Remember when Vinny said he delivered a playoff roster?

Zorn is gone because the transition to a WCO was crappy and Zorn was at least part of that - he was picked to be the offensive coordinator - that was just offensive...

I do see Jimmy Clausen in the future - sigh...

Brady Quinn - how's he doing?

Not sure past Joey T and Montanna I would be too interested in ND QBs.

Posted by: ssh1549 | January 4, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

REBUILDING CHECKLIST:

1. Cerrato resigns (check)
2. Hire GM (check)
3. Fire Zorn (check)
4. Hire New coach (?)
5. Fire staff (?)
6. hire new staff (?)
7. Release "players" (?)
8. draft Oline (?)
9. get younger Oline/Guard (?)
10.address the QB position (?)
11.get a RB (?)
12.get an OLB (?)
13.get CBs (?)
14.get a PR/KR player (?)


Gosh, that's a lot of stuff for Allen to do because i still smell the stench of Cerrato/Zorn's 4-12 stinch!

Good luck Allen
HTTR!

Posted by: datruth21 | January 4, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

To all the people that want the team sold; where's your offer sheet? Snyder made a positive start by parking Cerratto. Remember this is a game that pays the owner win or lose (see TV contract). He doesn't need you and there's not a lot you can do about it.

This isn't the first bad franchise in history (remember the Ain'ts) and it won't be the last. How many franchises have never won a Super Bowl? It is not your God given right to have competitive football team, although, it doesn't seem like rocket science.

Posted by: Pookie5 | January 4, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

we can only hope the Campbell was in the car with Zorn. Campbell did his job as a coach killer.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | January 4, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Get yourselves over to the Sports Bog and look at the pics in "Dan Snyder's Coaching Carosel" and then tell me how great everything's gonna be with Allen and Shanahan or whoever.

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 4, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

in the history of the nfl everytime a offense has trouble scoring they have changed the quarterback. there is one exception, the redskins, blame the playcaller, the receivers, the line, blame portis, blame the uniforms, amazing. the guy behind him replaced him 3 years ago and went 4-0. ok, then the 2 times campbell was hurt and was replaced this year by collins the first pass collins threw was a bomb to moss that hit him in stride both times. zorn again went back to campbell. finally this horror may be over.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | January 4, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

in the history of the nfl everytime a offense has trouble scoring they have changed the quarterback. there is one exception, the redskins, blame the playcaller, the receivers, the line, blame portis, blame the uniforms, amazing. the guy behind him replaced him 3 years ago and went 4-0. ok, then the 2 times campbell was hurt and was replaced this year by collins the first pass collins threw was a bomb to moss that hit him in stride both times. zorn again went back to campbell. finally this horror may be over.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | January 4, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind the same guy who fired Marty to hire Spurrier, who hired Gibbs without knowing what a weak personnel guy he was, and who made an obscure, never called a play in a game, never been a coordinator Jim Zorn a HEAD coach is picking the Redskins next coach.

And good luck Mike S or Bill C. or whoever is next: You need four new OLinemen, an RB. a QB, two-three DBs, an LB to Eventually replace Fletcher, an OC, a DC, Oh, and a new owner.

Posted by: TheCork | January 4, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I said in July, first ZORN then CAMPBELL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 4, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Redskins = Dysfunctional

HATC!

Posted by: rlomax67 | January 4, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

A lot of folks here have given JR a bad time for mis-reporting the facts but here's an extract from the story at the top of this page that shows he didn't:

"Zorn then came out and walked to his white Porsche Cayenne with a staff member at his side and left the park at 4:43 a.m., talking on his cellphone as he drove out of the parking lot."

As you will read it states "staff member" not "security".


Folks on here are letting their emotions cloud their judgement.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | January 4, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: hessone | January 4, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

alex35332 wrote: "you answered your question in your own question. Note to all humanity, the type of people who buy Luxury SUV's are the jim Zorns of the world. And this is why the United States is a failing nation."

What a moron. That's the real subject of this thread. Yeah, right.


Posted by: LeftCoastRightBrain | January 4, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

As someone pointed out in this article, Jim Zorn is a classy person and I am sad that this situation did not work out for him. I believe as someone else in this article pointed out, ownership should focus on the marketing and business end and leave the football stuff up to Bruce Allen. I think the Redskins are dangerously close to being one of the league bottom feeders like Detroit and Cleveland. These two teams like the Redskins were once very good who were near the top of the league and were thought of as championship favorites. So we will see what happens next. I think Jerry Grey would be an excellent coach but I think he is very classy also.

Posted by: dmiller1999 | January 4, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Zorn's first -- and -- biggest mistake was to sign on with the Redskins in any capacity. Absent a "Rooney rule" type edict from the league limiting an owner's interference with club operations to hiring/firing the general manager, the Snyder-run Skins are doomed to mediocre years with flashes of almost getting there. Such a rule should be named either the William Clay Ford (Lions owner) or the Al Davis (Raiders) rule, two of the worst owners in the league.

Posted by: othernovak | January 4, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's first -- and -- biggest mistake was to sign on with the Redskins in any capacity. Absent a "Rooney rule" type edict from the league limiting an owner's interference with club operations to hiring/firing the general manager, the Snyder-run Skins are doomed to mediocre years with flashes of almost getting there. Such a rule should be named either the William Clay Ford (Lions owner) or the Al Davis (Raiders) rule, two of the worst owners in the league.

Posted by: othernovak | January 4, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Since 1999, the problem has not been the coaches or the players, it's been the OWNER!! Snyder needs to remain in the owners office and stay out of the coaches and players meetings/business unless it is to sign checks. I wish nothing but the best for Jim Zorn, another class act in a classless organization.

Posted by: Mizlajoay | January 4, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Since 1999, the problem has not been the coaches or the players, it's been the OWNER!! Snyder needs to remain in the owners office and stay out of the coaches and players meetings/business unless it is to sign checks. I wish nothing but the best for Jim Zorn, another class act in a classless organization.

Posted by: Mizlajoay | January 4, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell costed JZ his job, but he was never able to see his ineptitude, now I hope the new gm starts cleaning house by firing Campbell and the two Shermans, and no, the Redskins don't need a colored coach to be a successful organization, all they have to do is be selective when picking up players, don't just give them the money, make them earn it.

Posted by: eportillo655 | January 4, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

get the hell out you spineless coward. Zorn is the biggest idiot of a coach in the history of the league. That fake FG against the Giants will go down as the single most idiotic play ever ran. Sums up Zorn in a nutshell. Now bring in Shanahan, a coach with balls and brains.

Posted by: killerrob | January 5, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

LAST!!!

Posted by: melovejen | January 12, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

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