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Redskins get first road win since November 2008

For the first time since Oct. 1, 2006, the Redskins scored 30-plus points in back-to-back games and used a stellar offensive performance and eight sacks from the defense - including four from rookie Brian Orakpo - to down the Oakland Raiders 34-13.

It was the Redskins' first win on the road since November 2008.

The eight sacks on defense was the most for the Redskins since Sept. 23, 1990 against the Dallas Cowboys when eight different Redskins players had one sack of Troy Aikman.
The win marked continued improvement for an offense that for much of Jim Zorn's tenure struggled to put points on the board but in the past few weeks has been able to move the ball behind improved play from quarterback Jason Campbell, who has been aided by stronger play from young players like Quinton Ganther, Devin Thomas and Fred Davis.

The Redskins opened the final quarter in Raiders territory and Jason Campbell kept Washington moving down the field. Campbell hit Malcolm Kelly for 10 yards and Santana Moss for eight to help move the Redskins to the Oakland two-yard line before Quinton Ganther took it in from one-yard out to extend the lead - his first career NFL touchdown.
On the first play of the Raiders next drive, safety LaRon Landry broke on a JaMarcus Russell pass and intercepted it, giving the Redskins the ball back at Oakland's 41-yard line.

After three Campbell completions, Ganther took it in for his second touchdown of the game and of his career, giving Washington a 31-13 lead.

The Raiders failed to do anything on their next drive, and Brian Orakpo got to Russell for his fourth sack of the game, forcing a fumble that looked as though it would be a touchdown. Instead, Andre Carter was unable to pick the ball up and Oakland recovered and eventually punted. On the punt, however, Antwaan Randle El muffed the return and the Raiders were given second life. They were unable to move the ball, however, and the Redskins took over again.

The Redskins tacked on another Graham Gano field goal, this one from 41 yards, to extend the lead to 34-13.

By Paul Tenorio  |  December 13, 2009; 7:36 PM ET
 
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Comments

Wow!??!? A Win???

Posted by: BREV1 | December 13, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

For once LaRon Landry did something useful.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 13, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Redskins get first road win since 2008. Leave it to the post to put a negative slant on a victory.

Posted by: rskinz34 | December 13, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Well that was fun.

Posted by: kreitmaster | December 13, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

THANK YOU!!!!

As much as I love Joe Gibbs, his second stint set us back from a personnel standpoint.

Lloyd
Archuleta
Portis (guarunteed money)
Thrash
Brunell
ARE (as a primary receiver and PR)
TJ Duckett

Vinny's screw ups

Jason Taylor
No drafting of O-lineman

Both did have some successful personnel moves though.

I'm not as down on Vinny as many of you are.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

For once LaRon Landry did something useful.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 13, 2009 7:42 PM

Part of the time. There was some ugly footage of him blowing his coverages, too.

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I think Landry played better being at SS this week. He got burned on a couple of passes, but he had a FF, an INT, and he dished out a couple of hard licks. Moore/Doughty played well at FS.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 13, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Screw draft position. Skins win and Dall-ass loses. That's a pretty good day.

Since both teams can't lose tonight. I'll take the Giants.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

were going to regret losing Carlos and JC.. watch....

Posted by: cocodc1 | December 13, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

LOL!! "salad tongs"..."caress the ball"...Zorn is funny

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 13, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

We play physical, we win!

Posted by: SkinsfaninPeru | December 13, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

it's about time we won another game. landry played like an nfl player today. he got lucky on the pick because the ball actually skipped into his hands. i didn't care much for the playcalling in the first half because all we were doing was run, pass, pass. stephon heyer played like a simp and he really needed help pass blocking. i'm happy about the win but we didn't look anything like we did last week.

Posted by: charronegro1971 | December 13, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

were going to regret losing Carlos and JC.. watch....

Posted by: cocodc1 | December 13, 2009 7:45 PM

Well that depends what we get for them, doesn't it?

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Still, vinny needs to go.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 13, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse


Of course Vinny needs to go.

But now he won't.

Now Vinny will be in for a 10-year extension, even though though the team is coming together DESPITE his decisions.

Vinny is still behind the Zorn-hiring fiasco.

Vinny was lucky that his deal for Cutler fell through. Had it gone through we would not only be missing JC17, but we would not have the pick that landed Orakpo.

Vinny was lucky to get Derrick Dockery to land in his lap.

Vinny was lucky that Levi Jones was still on the street after failing to sign some quality veteran Oline depth and our old starters predictably began to fall like flies.

Our cap situation is still hamstrung and we still have $160 mill wrapped up in 2 defenders - neither of whom played today and we still managed to win 34-13.

Vinny is still a frickin loser and has no business running a football team.

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

This is Zorn's offense. I really do think the offensive system is good, but Zorn the play caller got figured out last year and never could find his way again. Give it up to Lewis, but I'd like to see this offense again next year. With Lewis, of course.

JC is a "muscle bound QB...in the core group". This presser is priceless!!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 13, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

If it were me...I'd fire Zorn and offer the gig to Lewis.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 7:38 PM |

The HC has way too many responsibilities to give the job to Lewis. If the WCO is kept I could see making him the OC, but at his age he should not be hired as the HC IMO.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

THANK YOU!!!!

As much as I love Joe Gibbs, his second stint set us back from a personnel standpoint.

Lloyd
Archuleta
Portis (guarunteed money)
Thrash
Brunell
ARE (as a primary receiver and PR)
TJ Duckett

Vinny's screw ups

Jason Taylor
No drafting of O-lineman

Both did have some successful personnel moves though.

I'm not as down on Vinny as many of you are.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse


You are a frickin moron. Gibbs at the helm delivered 2 playoff appearances.

Suddenly we post 34 points on the Raiders and now Vinny is a frickin genius and Gibbs set us back???

HELLO - WE ARE STILL ONLY A 4 WIN TEAM.


Besides, why are you hanging all of those players around Gibbs' neck?

Vinny was still part of the FO operation and Director of Player Personnel when Gibbs was here.

How do you know that none of those decisions were Vinny's?

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Keep Zorn, make Sherm Smith Assistant Head Coach-Offense, and elevate Sherm Lewis to OC.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 13, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Deadskins are trying to play out of contention for the "Losers Bowl". I guess its gonna be the Lions of the NFC and I thought it would be the Browns of the AFC, but their wuppin on the Steelers last Thursday may have pushed them above the Raiders.

Posted by: tomniederberger | December 13, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

If it were me...I'd fire Zorn and offer the gig to Lewis.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 7:38 PM |

The HC has way too many responsibilities to give the job to Lewis. If the WCO is kept I could see making him the OC, but at his age he should not be hired as the HC IMO.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 7:50 PM

I think the recent success on offense bodes well that a west coast head coach like Shanahan coming to the skins

Posted by: TWISI | December 13, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

How do you know that none of those decisions were Vinny's?

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 7:52 PM |

Gibbs had final authority.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 13, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I like a kicker who can kick the ball at least into the end zone, if not out of it, every time. Mr Ganther is an impressive runner. And Jason played well again. LaRon plays better in his natural position. Only one turnover and no injuries. The play calling was good, and overall the Redskins are looking more and more like a football team, than a high-priced string of polo ponies. Game could have been officiated better IMHO, but you can't have everything.

Posted by: remant | December 13, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else also notice Landry not celebrating after making a play?! Yay! He's showing maturity. Perhaps he heard us last week.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 13, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

the post needs to fire J. Reid, and promote cindy

Posted by: altarkenton | December 13, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Sherm should have been had an HC job waayyy before now, but it is what it is. And I will grade Vinny on his positve moves as well as his mistakes. The Draft of Kelly, Thomas, and Davis is starting to pay off, and Orakpo is an excellent pick. His only failings were making zorn the coach, and the lack of O-line signings. Judge him on this and this alone, not what you may personally think of him. And again, keep JC, he is a restricted free agent so we can match offers.

Posted by: dolemite1 | December 13, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

For once LaRon Landry did something useful.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 13, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse


That's b/c they gave up on playing him at FS, which requires intelligence and thinking to play properly.

They accepted the fact that LL is too dumb and undisciplined to play the position.

FInally...some good coaching.

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Besides, why are you hanging all of those players around Gibbs' neck?

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 7:52 PM |

Vinny, "Hey, Joe, the only way you'll win is with Mark Brunell."

Joe, "Gee, thanks, Vinnie. Get him for me."

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Awesome game by Brian ORAK-PO! (not Orako like the idiot announcer kept saying...)

Congrats to Quinton Ganther and Fred Davis for a two-touchdown game each.

Welcome to the Washington Redskins Graham Gano. Awesome kick-offs.

Solid games by Moss, LL, London Fletcher, Reed Doughty and yes, JC 17. He missed two wide open recievers that could have easily been scores, but he also played steady in a very physical game and got the job done.

Randal El can spend the rest of the season watching from the sidelines, and that would be fine with me.

Andre Carter, be a hero and recover that football.

Liking Moss in the slot and Landry at Strong Safety. LL has GOT to keep working on his pass covering skills.

Yeah! we beat the Raiders.

They suck.

Posted by: edvar | December 13, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Great. We've beaten two opponents this year missing their starting QB's in the second half and two perennial losers. Great progress my butt.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | December 13, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

How do you know that none of those decisions were Vinny's?

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 7:52 PM |

Gibbs had final authority.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 13, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

How do you know that?

Can you cite a quote or statement?

Because I remember that FO structure being very opaque and Gibbs always said that decisions were made "together" between himself, Danny and Vinny.

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Awesome kick-offs.

Posted by: edvar | December 13, 2009 7:57 PM |

So, Edvar, do you think he would have been able to make that one last week? The 23-yarder with the high snap? [JK. You were right. I was wrong.]

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm not too broken up about the draft order, I'd rather my team win. Even if we fall to 10th that is fine with me. A #10 pick is easier to trade and it won't be too much of a reach to grab Bryan Bulaga there.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 13, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Great. We've beaten two opponents this year missing their starting QB's in the second half and two perennial losers. Great progress my butt.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | December 13, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse


No kidding.

It's amazing to me how folks up here are suddenly pooping champagne for Vinny and throwing Gibbs under the bus.

Our persistent lack of winning has made us drunk off of one victory from a sorry opponent...

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

How do you know that?

Can you cite a quote or statement?

Because I remember that FO structure being very opaque and Gibbs always said that decisions were made "together" between himself, Danny and Vinny.

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 7:58 PM |

Gibbs was President of football operations and if you think Vinny had pull over Gibbs your crazy.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 13, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Gano was very impressive. I counted at least 3 kickoffs in the corner of the end zone. Plus he nailed 2 FGs. Anxious to see him in a pressure situation with the game on the line. F Suisham he cost us countless games.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 13, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

How do you know that?

Can you cite a quote or statement?

Because I remember that FO structure being very opaque and Gibbs always said that decisions were made "together" between himself, Danny and Vinny.

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 7:58 PM |

Gibbs was President of football operations and if you think Vinny had pull over Gibbs your crazy.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 13, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse


Oh. So you don't have an actual quote or statement of fact to back that up.

You were just talking out of your arse, and I'm crazy for calling you out.

Gotcha. Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page...

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Posted by: huangzhixian165 | December 13, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

p1,

Your right we think the team is great now, we don't have to constantly cry about the team we like the team to win. Vinny will stay or go you or I have no say in it so why constantly cry about it.

Enjoy the team playing well it will not effect who stays or goes.

And Gibbs deserves alot of blame for players that were picked up while he was in charge. He also had some good player moves.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 13, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm not too broken up about the draft order, I'd rather my team win. Even if we fall to 10th that is fine with me. A #10 pick is easier to trade and it won't be too much of a reach to grab Bryan Bulaga there.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 13, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm not broken up about draft order either.

But I'd like to see Vinny gone...

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21, around here Vinny is the reason for anything bad ever happening. When he officially became the GM I then started the clock on him. We have no clue who made the final decisions when Joe was here. but seeing as how Joe loved vets, I think the Brunell thing was him.

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Posted by: huangzhixian165 | December 13, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh. So you don't have an actual quote or statement of fact to back that up.

You were just talking out of your arse, and I'm crazy for calling you out.

Gotcha. Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page...

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 8:04 PM |

Gibbs said numerouse times he was in charge and had final say, they talked about things between them and then Gibbs made final choice. I don't feel like looking back in the paper to find that for you, but since you seem to care so much why don't you do some research.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 13, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

ARE... U SUCK.

Ok, I know I'm only stating the obvious, but I needed to get that off my chest. Cant wait until that lame MFer is an ex Redskin.

Gano... power kicks to the back of the endzone... Hell yeah. Welcome aboard.

Orakpo!! Can Chris Wilson play OLB every down?

OT or Berry to play Free safety? Crap I hope we don't go QB in RD 1 or 2.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 13, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

And Gibbs deserves alot of blame for players that were picked up while he was in charge. He also had some good player moves.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 13, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse


Once, again - why does he deserve "alot" of the blame??

We know what his title was, yet we really have no idea who was making which decisions about what and who was really in charge.

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

NFL director of officiating Mike Pereira said the penalty on Fred Davis wasn't for excessive celebration, using a prop, or for flashing gang signs. He was flagged for terrible dancing.

Tony Romo is wearing a Beret in the post game presser. What a MO.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who you play in the nfl a win is a win..when is the last time washington even though they only won 1 of the games scored 7,24,30,34 pts ? I dont even remember the last time that has happened maybe 1999? whatever it is fire zorn and make sherm lewis the head coach I am not interested in the bull that he is too old vermeil came back into the league at 64-65 and won the superbowl and lewis has more nfl experience the him. this offensive did not start clicking until lewis got here players got injured and young player's started to step it up. offer lewis the job immediately after the season 2-3yrs. and keep campbell if the idiots in the front office don't screw up the draft and pick player's the team needs and get another d-coordinator this team could be on the rise.

Posted by: wathu19 | December 13, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Great. We've beaten two opponents this year missing their starting QB's in the second half and two perennial losers. Great progress my butt.

Posted by: jsmith33351

You obviously have not been paying any attention! If you can't see the great progress made by this team then you are really blind. Who cares who they beat? Any win is a good win.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 13, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

People, before you get too giddy remember it was the Raiders. Not only that it was the Raiders without their better QB for most of the game. Back to reality next week.

Posted by: theBozyn1 | December 13, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo-first rookie with 4 sacks in one game since 1987. With no Haynesworth. Beast.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 13, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Great. We've beaten two opponents this year missing their starting QB's in the second half and two perennial losers. Great progress my butt.

Posted by: jsmith33351

You obviously have not been paying any attention! If you can't see the great progress made by this team then you are really blind. Who cares who they beat? Any win is a good win.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 13, 2009 8:12 PM |

Considering a 23 yard field goal beats one of the best teams in the league last week.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 13, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Is the Raider's offensive line that retrograde, or have the Redskins finally mastered the art of pressuring the opposing QB?

I'd like to believe the latter, but I dunno.

and why did it take 12 games for the coaches to get through to the DBs regarding the infamous double move?

my hat is off to JC, dude took a beating today...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 13, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

huangdoodle-Get the F off here!

Posted by: bostskin | December 13, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

And Gibbs deserves alot of blame for players that were picked up while he was in charge. He also had some good player moves.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 13, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Care to elaborate? While you're defending Gibbs the personnel guy, why don't you look into the numerous draft picks he threw away?

Don't get me wrong, I loved Gibbs, as a coach. Great coach but a bad operations guy.

Coming back here and allowing Vinny to be a part of any decision making team was his first mistake.

Posted by: k_square | December 13, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Gano... power kicks to the back of the endzone... Hell yeah. Welcome aboard.

Orakpo!! Can Chris Wilson play OLB every down?

OT or Berry to play Free safety? Crap I hope we don't go QB in RD 1 or 2.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 13, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse


The Gano kickoffs were VERY encouraging. Suishy would have been dropping them at the 9 yard line today.

Orakpo at OLB is what works. I like not having be an every-down DE so that he can avoid getting pounded into the ground in the running game. The man has 10 sacks doing what he's doing - if it's not broke don't fix it.

Please no free safeties in the draft. A combo of Moore/Doughty is just fine.

Posted by: p1funk | December 13, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

For those stating that we beat two teams w/o their top QB for most of the game...the Skins D took them out of the game and made them use the back up.

Credit goes to the Skins for making the other team less than they were at the start of those games.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Antwan Can't Find the Handle-L, continues to be unimpressive. Now, I asked this weeks ago, why isn't Cartwright who is good enough to return kick offs, returning PUNTS, instead of letting them hit the ground next to, in front of, behind, or muffing them like " L "?

Posted by: Blueslegend | December 13, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Interesting game: If the Redskins lose to the Raiders, I'm not surprised. If the Redskins beat the Raiders, I'm not surprised.

So what will we be playing for next week??

Posted by: kenhyde | December 13, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

k,

I agree I was defending myself from p1funk, I already said Gibbs was bad as a GM

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 13, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

GANTHER and YODER come through with flying colors. To my mind MIKE SELLERS need not step back on any football field in burgendy and gold. And ALDRIGE and MASON can waiver by-bye also. With PORTIS, BETTS (maybe he returns), CARTWRIGHT and GANTHER who needs draft picks for the 2010 backfield? Only if LaDELL doesn't recover from his very serious knee injury which is a distinct possibility. THEN we need a running-back, but MASON ain't it.

And ARE is dog-meat. Uncapped year will be great to free ourselves of overpaid fleas. Some see CP in that catagory, but I think we use him IF we draft copious amounts of rookie beef for the o-line.

And sadly neglected by our POST staff regarding newbies to the offense, GRAHAM GANO. The first FA need for 2010 has been filled - maybe. With kickers you never are quite sure of what you're getting from week to week, let alone from season to season. But I surely do like what I've seen so far of GANO. 5.0 hang-time KO's to the goal line, to the coffin corner, into the end-zone. Consistant 40+ FG's not to mention X-points. So far so good.

And kudos to the GM for finding him in mid-season rather than waiting for the gathering of the wolves at season's end ( that being GM's needing FA kickers). The BAG-MAN stole one on the league. Hell, I might even have to cease disparaging remarks about his management abilities. Way to go VINCENTE.

Of course in winning, we may miss out on a great player with the #4 overall pick. And I'm gonna' have to revise my wish list for next year with GANO in the fold.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 13, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

True, but the raiders beat the steelers and bengals. altough i understand gradkowski didn't play the second half. but they played awesome against the saints and they did what they were supposed to do against the raiders.

to add onto it, they played well in the dallas and philly game too. they ARE making progress.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 13, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

People, before you get too giddy remember it was the Raiders. Not only that it was the Raiders without their better QB for most of the game. Back to reality next week.

Posted by: theBozyn1 | December 13, 2009 8:13 PM

So if the Raiders would have won, would they have said it was only the Redskins.

We've only had 4 W's this year, this is a bad team, but no need to not enjoy a W.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

That game was crappy, sloppy and embarassing. The Redskins were lousy and the Raiders were super-duper unbelievably bad. If you liked it then, Happy Holidays, Super Bowl here we come!

Posted by: kls1 | December 13, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Gano the most accurate kicker in the history of collegiate football?

or somethin'?

this man is emotive.

he's a coiled spring.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 13, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

a good GM would trade Cooley for picks/lineman now.

Sellers, Portis, Randle El should all be waived.

Campbell should be retained if possible, though he may get some offers. Showing some serious toughness these past few weeks and is now finding open receivers given the oline is playing better.

But Danny is busy scouting Clausen and Colt...

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Shame on all of us optimistic fans for enjoying a win from our Redskins.

The nerve of us.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

You obviously have not been paying any attention! If you can't see the great progress made by this team then you are really blind. Who cares who they beat? Any win is a good win.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 13, 2009 8:12 PM |

Considering a 23 yard field goal beats one of the best teams in the league last week.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 13, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Some people said it was "ridiculous" to bring in a new kicker. Sounds like the kid gano wasn't half bad. It's only one game, but on kickoffs alone, he deserves the job over suisham. Now is it so obvious suisham is better than any free agent kicker??

Posted by: AdamCr | December 13, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is - tell me what you think - is that perhaps the team is playing well of late in spite of Zorn, and that Zorn will be gone next year. I just heard though that a new coach will discombobulate Campbell.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 13, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

They're just playing for pride and, for some young guys like Fred Davis and Devin Thomas and some others, a starting spot next year. Good for them, win on whatever you have. I want to see them beat the Giants and the Cowboys, but for the first time in my life, I wouldn't mind seeing the other team win when the Skins play Norv Turner and the Chargers.

Just as a message for Mr. Snyder: Here's the coach who had built the team into a competitive unit only to be fired with a three game playoff run remaining in a season. And now these many years later, here's that coach leading a playoff bound contender while the Redskins will probably be looking for our sixth head coach in a decade. I don't know what lesson Mr. Snyder would take away from a season-concluding loss to Norv Turner, but it might serve to remind him that the coach has developed over time into a winner, and that the owner who fired him hasn't.

Posted by: tvanzandt | December 13, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Stop it with the idiotic post about beating Oakland they beat the Steelers,and the Eagles so winning is the best medicine for this team, and stop it with the draft talk with Vinny running the show what difference will it make anyway and by the way cut out the Qb talk what do you think going to happen with a rookie qb? another losing season yeah that's right more insanity keep Jason get some O lineman that can actually play.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 13, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Right now, we are sitting at 7 having beaten the Raiders. Which (winning the game) is a good thing, don't get me wrong. I'm concerned we fall to 8, 9 or 10 and Bradford is staring Vanny in the face with Okung, Berry and Bruce Campbell off the board.

THE MOVE in that spot is to trade back, but I don't trust them to not take Bradford. Guy is immobile with a wrecked throwing shoulder who played behind a fortress and threw to play makers logarithmically better than those trying to cover them. Now, maybe he is a smart guy with quick reading and decision making skills. I'm skeptical though and the move is to go get a stud in a position of greater need: OT, LB, RB, FS, CB with OT lapping the field.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 13, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

If Norv turns into a winner, I will be surprised.

Redskins radio is saying not to blow it up. My issue is that the conditions for diva creation (lack of discipline) still exist.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 13, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

It's not idiotic to question Oakland's ability. That second half team was a high school team. I'm not saying the skins didn't play well. They did! They didn't blow it, and even pounded. But do not fool yourself.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 13, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is - tell me what you think - is that perhaps the team is playing well of late in spite of Zorn, and that Zorn will be gone next year. I just heard though that a new coach will discombobulate Campbell.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 13, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Not if ZORN stays as Q-backs coach in 2010.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 13, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"But do not fool yourself."

made fg's beat the saints last week and arguably the cowboys/eagles as well. This after loooking like a jv team on offense for most of the season.

so the optimism if any isnt only based on today

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what lesson Mr. Snyder would take away from a season-concluding loss to Norv Turner, but it might serve to remind him that the coach has developed over time into a winner, and that the owner who fired him hasn't.

Posted by: tvanzandt | December 13, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

You don't think AJ Smith deserves any credit? That's the lesson plan.....

IMO, Norv will be viewed with more respect if/when he wins a Super Bowl as a HC, not an OC.

Posted by: k_square | December 13, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Yessir.

I love getting wins.

Can't stand losing!

Campbell might throw for more than 20 tds this season. I didn't know that was possible..

Posted by: Vicc | December 13, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is - tell me what you think - is that perhaps the team is playing well of late in spite of Zorn, and that Zorn will be gone next year. I just heard though that a new coach will discombobulate Campbell.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 13, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Not if ZORN stays as Q-backs coach in 2010.

Posted by: glawrence007

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How does that happen?

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 13, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

a good GM would trade Cooley for picks/lineman now.

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 8:25 PM


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'cept a good GM would know that a trade cannot be made now until the offseason.

jus messin wit U! I understand what you're saying!

If trading Cooley were on the minds of the Redskins FO, I'd say it would come on draft day.

Posted by: Vicc | December 13, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm enjoying the win, don't get me wrong. Still, can't shake the fear that a few good games during garbage time might convince DS to retain the services of one Vincent Cerrato.

Posted by: mack1 | December 13, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

So, Edvar, do you think he would have been able to make that one last week? The 23-yarder with the high snap? [JK. You were right. I was wrong.]

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 8:00 PM |

Yeah, I saw your post the other day. Thanks. Gano looked pretty good today. Interested to see how he handles some NFL pressure.

Posted by: edvar | December 13, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

This is the problem: The Redskins are really an upgraded Oline away from being a contender. Zorn is NOT the answer as a HC or playcaller.

If you upgrade the line and keep Zorn...yechhh.

If you get a new coach and updgrade the line, its a rebuild/learning year by defualt.

UNLESS you get a guy who can re implement the same Offense.

Go defensive minded Coach and keep the Shermans but unscrew the goofy play calling system? Which would be easy to do over the off season. But if you do that, you limit the new HC coming in from installing his own program.

Shanahan who will hopefully keep a very similar system who may promote Gray to D Coord?

JC is not the greatest, but he is definitely good enough to win with.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 13, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Still, can't shake the fear that a few good games during garbage time might convince DS to retain the services of one Vincent Cerrato.

Posted by: mack1 | December 13, 2009 8:46 PM

Dan won't fire VC. Who else would take him scouting for QBs?

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I think the headline "Redskins win easily" is a bit of a stretch. I saw a game that was close for much of the contest, in which the Redskins seemed to struggle mightily to beat a mediocre team and benefitted from MANY favorable calls and boneheaded mistakes by the Raiders. Still, a "W" is nice.

Posted by: rickcentreville39 | December 13, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Relax, you still need a GM, a coach, a quaterback, an and offensive line.

Posted by: chulaivet65 | December 13, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

What? No mention of how the Redskins could never get another field goal without Suisham? No mention of the booming kickoffs that made a major contribution to field position? No mention as to how Suisham was clearly the better kicker? Say it ain't so, Mister Mayor! Wrong about Suisham and wrong about who would win the game!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 13, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

What position was RAK playing when he got those 4?

FACTS: Vinny will not go. Zorn, 90%. and I think if he does go that mean we will get some big name HC, most probably Shanny, otherwise it will be a foolish move. Last fact, JC will only improve, but we may not retain him next year.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 13, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm enjoying the win, don't get me wrong. Still, can't shake the fear that a few good games during garbage time might convince DS to retain the services of one Vincent Cerrato.

Posted by: mack1 | December 13, 2009 8:46 PM

Too late. Vinny getting the axe was only possible in our minds and that thought never crossed Dan's.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 13, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

JC is a pretty good qb, definitely not someone you can easily upgrade over through a draft or FA pickup.

That will be the monumental mistake of this offseason, dumping Campbell just as he's become a polished vet qb ready to win games behind even an avg nfl oline.

Posted by: divi3 | December 13, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

jason, that was a grudging account of the game. but aren't you the guy who picked oakland, 27-20? hope you didn't bet it like that.

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 13, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

To bad we can't play against Jamarcus Russell EVERY week.

Posted by: ExPatYankee | December 13, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I saw at least 2 touchbacks 2day.

Posted by: Vicc | December 13, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

But do not fool yourself.

Posted by: sugarstreet

They should've beat the Saints. The best team in football. Like divi3 said, the optimism isn't based on just today's win. You can't deny that they're making progress.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 13, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who you play, getting 4 sacks in one game is amazing!

Orakpo for DROY!

Posted by: Vicc | December 13, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

i didn't see the game, how did mike williams do at guard? be nice to only have to address 3 positions on the OL

Posted by: drewkinnear | December 13, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Just watched game highlights. Loved Quinton's 2nd TD. He just walked in Yoder's paw prints.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 13, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I'll reserve final opinion and judgment on this gaggle of misfits until after the final three games. Obviously, somebody has to go, and changes need to be made. But, after putting the Bingo Caller in the booth......coming thisclose to snatching victory from Dallas and N.O......putting on an impressive (albeit undisciplined, penalty-laden) performance against the Raiders, and on the road, at that......there's something (and/or some ONE) here that might be worth salvaging for 2010. IF they can show something against either the Giants, Cowpies, or Chargers, that is. However, I'm sure that whatever that current 'intangible' is, Snyder and/or Cerrato with find a way to throw the baby out with the bath water and kneecap whatever strength this team found in the last half of this season. And Little Lord Danny will up his prices and fees as a way of paying tribute to his 'brilliance'.

Posted by: ericenderle | December 13, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

this post wasnt written by jason, if it was there would be a "as has be written here before the front office ingnored issues on the offensive line"

Posted by: drewkinnear | December 13, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

i didn't see the game, how did mike williams do at guard?

Posted by: drewkinnear


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Well enough that the game anchors pointed out we kept running to the right.

Posted by: Vicc | December 13, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

uhh, NO! absolutely not: the post doesn't need to fire jason reid and give the column to the girl. she don't know the game. besides, for this kind of column, don't none of these guys wanna talk to a girl.

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 13, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I saw your post the other day. Thanks.

Posted by: edvar | December 13, 2009 8:47 PM

Just wanted to be sure. I try to maintain my credibility as a pompous know-it-all by admitting when I'm wrong. Usually, I only maintain my credibility as pompous.

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

It was fun watching my Redskins today. Yeah I know it was the Raiders, and Gradowski was hurt and didn't play in the 2nd half but that's football, you go against whoever lines up.

It'll be a dam shame if London Fletcher does not make it to the Pro Bowl. He is a tackling machine and the play where he dislodged the ball from the receiver was all world.

From this point on it's official, Fred Davis's moniker, "sleepy", can be officially dispensed with. Anybody remember someone named Cooley? Great game for Davis.

I like how Q.Ganther runs, quick, precise, and HARD. WOW.

You have to give Jason Campbell his props, he is one tough SOB, to take the licking he took today and all year long, to withstand the courting of other QB's by the FO and not pout and rant, the guy is a class act, one hell of a man, and someone that any team should be proud to have. With improved OL and a speed demon or two on offense he just may become the "winner" that everyone covets.

What can you say about Orakpo? Landry too.Let them both play at their natural positions, DE and SS. Orakp is NFC defensive rookie of the year.

Props to JZ , Sherm Lewis, and Blache.
Hail to the Redskins Mutha F&ka!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | December 13, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

uhh, NO! absolutely not: the post doesn't need to fire jason reid and give the column to the girl. she don't know the game. besides, for this kind of column, don't none of these guys wanna talk to a girl.

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 13, 2009 9:10 PM

The girl is already in charge- she's the editor and does know football.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 13, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I said I wouldn't post again until a win and now we have one. We are looking much improved and with some new blood. Looks like this team might be starting to figure out the offense. Too bad we'll start over with a new coach, QB, and offense again next year. And when we don't perfect that one right away we'll get another one...the carousel will revolve endlessly...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 13, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

p1funk...

Why do people want to hang the success of Gibbs 2.0 and its failures on Vinny?

Vinny's record as the VP of Football Operations is mixed but not as horrid as some want to portay.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I saw your post the other day. Thanks.

Posted by: edvar | December 13, 2009 8:47 PM

Just wanted to be sure. I try to maintain my credibility as a pompous know-it-all by admitting when I'm wrong. Usually, I only maintain my credibility as pompous.

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 9:10 PM |

I like your approach. You might want to try throwing around a bunch of stupid - yet important sounding stats just to pump up sound a little. That way, it sounds like you are using facts when you make a statement. Most people can't tell the difference.

Posted by: edvar | December 13, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

A Win !
Let's get the Bandwagon going !
I smell Super Bowl !!
CELEBRATION ! Redskins do it best !!
Did you see Fred Davis celebrate ??
Wow, Moss taught him well !! Celebrate !!!

Posted by: griffmills | December 13, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Ya'll beat em' up when they lose to the chiefs and beat em' up when they crush the Raiders!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Are we mathematically eliminated from the playoffs?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Did any1 see first round pick n former Maryland Wr Heyward-Bey 2day?

Posted by: Vicc | December 13, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

No Ricky, we are not...and will not !!
Bandwagon is moving out, next stop...SuperBowl....get on Ricky...
get on with me !!

Posted by: griffmills | December 13, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I know it was one bad team beating one terrible team, but DAMN it was fun to be in the stadium today. Awesome to be there with old friends, blog peeps zcezcest, sfskin, kost52, and a bunch of others. Just terrific. Nothing wrong with winning.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 13, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm with ya' griff...I'm ridin' shotgun!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Are we mathematically eliminated from the playoffs?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 9:24 PM

Yes. And that's not the worst of it. We're mathematically eliminated from the #1 draft pick!

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

how about that kicker?

Posted by: Salinas1 | December 13, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Vicc: Heyward-Bey was out with a foot injury

Posted by: rachel216 | December 13, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

How did Raider nation treat you Nate? Were you guys proudly sporting the burgundy and black?

Posted by: k_square | December 13, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

The kicker's awesome.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 13, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Vicc: Heyward-Bey was out with a foot injury

Posted by: rachel216

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Oh.

I was a bit worried playing agains't him 2day.

He has the kind of speed where double-moves are not necessary to run by you!

Posted by: Vicc | December 13, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

man if we would have drafted DJackson instead of Kelly ....it wasnt like he was sleeper or anything...

Posted by: cosmiccatnip1 | December 13, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

we're baaaack

Posted by: icebluekoolaid1 | December 13, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

man if we would have drafted DJackson instead of Kelly ....it wasnt like he was sleeper or anything...

Posted by: cosmiccatnip1 | December 13, 2009 9:36 PM |

I'm sure that if we had had four second round picks, Vinnie would have taken him IN ADDITION To Kelly, not INSTEAD OF. Alas, when you only have three picks you miss some good receivers.

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, picking at seven overall instead of fourth is a bite, but we might still snare BRUCE CAMPBELL. I can pimp for him in that event. OKUNG would definitely be off the board by then, and probably BERRY also. But you nava' kno'. Maybe ERIC falls in our lap like BRIAN ORAKPO did this past draft. And with AL DAVIS picking ahead of us now, I like our chances. He won't pick a q-back, but might want another receiver like last year. That would be SWEET!!!!

If we can't get what we need because, BERRY, OKUNG and CAMPBELL are all gone by seven, I would trade down at that point for a second, and hopefully a third. I don't think that's too much for a top ten pick.

We could still snatch CIRON BLACK - LSU with the thirty-ninth off the board, and then get MIKE JOHNSON of ALABAMA with our other second. We'd need a free agent LT in that case though.

That would mean O.J. ATOGWE would be necessary also. Making him a franchise player again would be a killer. We'd be out of the running at that point for a great FS unless BERRY fell to us at seven.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 13, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Here's my guess...

Shanahan's in

Vinny's in but in some other capacity

Campbell is back

Skins draft a QB too

Wild Card- Either Cooley, Campbell or both are traded on draft day.

I'm Sicwidit and I'm going to bed!

Hail to the Redskins!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 13, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs 1 was a good coach and had a great GM and a great owner who would listen to the GM's recommendation to help him decide on personnel.
Gibbs 2 had neither a good GM nor a good owner to help him on personnel.
If we are being realistic, there is enough blame to go around from Gibbs, to Vinny and most definitely to the owner who was/still is willing to pay any sort of money on an overage and overuse FA in his quest to buy a championship.
We are where we are today mostly b/c of the decisions that were made early on by these 3 I mentioned. To give up draft picks for overpriced FAs was stupid and we will pay for it with a salary cap for years to come.
The great teams this decade have mastered the art of rebuilding through the draft. The Skins however seems intent on reinventing the wheel.
This owner NEEDS to hire someone who will say NO to him once in a while. As long as he has YES men around him who only entertains his desire to buy the latest overpriced FA, the Skins will continue to suffer.
As it is now, they might get it right once in a while, but the amount of time they have gotten it wrong does not mean they are genuises. With guys like Orapko, you would think by now they would have learned that the risk are lower through the draft than through free agency. Only we mortgage our future to make some of the bonehead signings any sports franchise have made in recent history.

Posted by: JeanJak | December 13, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Looks like this offense is starting to click. I'll hold on buying too much stock in this offense though until I see how we play out the remainder of the year. That being said, Devin Thomas and Fred Davis have finally started to pay dividends. If Malcolm Kelly could come around... wow we could have an intense offense! All season I've been saying I think its time to seriously clean house and while I think we can afford to cut some dead weight I do also think if this team continues to grow offensively throughout the remainder of this season, our offseason changes may require more scrutiny. After all I'd rather endure 1 losing season while this team grows and learns to efficiently execute their brand of offense thereby building an identity, then endure several losing seasons by completely rebuilding. Upon improved offense I say we keep Campbell. If you think about it keeping him is a smart decision for several reasons. First, if given a good offensive line JC can play well and win games. If we draft a new QB, JC can play while we get the rookie up to speed. And finally, if JC did end up riding the bench behind a rookie QB we would have extremely good depth at the QB position. As for coaching changes, I'm not really sure what to do. I think its obvious we are going to fire Zorn. The question is should we and what do we do with Sherman Smith? Ever since Sherm took over as OC our Offense has steadily played better and put up more points with every game. If we decide to keep Sherm, it doesn't make sense to bring in a new coach that is going to want to install his own brand of offense, as that will take yet another season to learn and more importantly execute effectively. That being said, I don't think Sherm should be both the head coach and the OC as that has repeatedly proven to be too hard a task at the NFL level. So, I think if... and only if our offense continues to improve maybe we should keep Zorn and keep our current coaching/play calling system in place. Who should we let go at the end of the year then, I say we try to trade Portis and Randel El for some draft picks. I also think we should match any offer made to Carlos Rogers and then negotiate draft picks to complete a trade for Rogers. I also think we ask Samules to retire and either cut Randy Thomas or ask him to retire as well. As for the draft, obviously we need O-Line men. We also need to start grooming a replacement for London Fletcher, and find a LB so that we can move Brian Orakpo to the DE where he belongs. I think other potential positions to pick up in the draft is a RB, CB, QB. That's all I have for now. Let's see how these next three games go.

Vote for Fletcher for 2010 Pro Bowl. Vote now and vote often!

Posted by: ljhartnett24 | December 13, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Too bad logic has nothing to do with who Snyderatto will pick Lawrence. Our FO is already out scouting QB's to get killed by our oline (although to give them credit they have played better until today)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 13, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Do not want Shanahan! Isn't he too old? He wouldnt be hungry

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 13, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Recommendations:
Offense:
Keep Jason; ditch Portis, Sellers and Randle El; add at least one O lineman and a running back; stay with the second-year receivers, who apparently only needed a chance; trade Cooley while you can, not because I don't love him but because Davis has shown he can do the job and he's younger and a bigger target.
Defense:
Play Orakpo as an end and Landry as a strong safety; get another defensive back to replace Stonehands Rogers who is leaving anyway; maybe look for a young linebacker.
Special teams:
Get a real punt returner/kick returner.
Overall:
The addition of Sherm "Bingo" Lewis, the subtraction of Portis and the gelling of a makeshift line have been the keys to the Redskins recent offensive success (a night and day difference that began the second half of the Falcons game, even though Ws have been elusive since then).
I don't think Zorn has what it takes to stay as head coach. I'd prefer to see Cerrato replaced, too, however unlikely that is.
We need a pro head coach and a pro GM and the few pieces identified above to maybe make a run for the playoffs next year, if we're lucky.
Something's clicking for these guys the last few games. We'd be well served to figure out what it is and try to hold onto it.

Posted by: jdsp2000 | December 13, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Recommendations:
Offense:
Keep Jason; ditch Portis, Sellers and Randle El; add at least one O lineman and a running back; stay with the second-year receivers, who apparently only needed a chance; trade Cooley while you can, not because I don't love him but because Davis has shown he can do the job and he's younger and a bigger target.
Defense:
Play Orakpo as an end and Landry as a strong safety; get another defensive back to replace Stonehands Rogers who is leaving anyway; maybe look for a young linebacker.
Special teams:
Get a real punt returner/kick returner.
Overall:
The addition of Sherm "Bingo" Lewis, the subtraction of Portis and the gelling of a makeshift line have been the keys to the Redskins recent offensive success (a night and day difference that began the second half of the Falcons game, even though Ws have been elusive since then).
I don't think Zorn has what it takes to stay as head coach. I'd prefer to see Cerrato replaced, too, however unlikely that is.
We need a pro head coach and a pro GM and the few pieces identified above to maybe make a run for the playoffs next year, if we're lucky.
Something's clicking for these guys the last few games. We'd be well served to figure out what it is and try to hold onto it.

Posted by: jdsp2000 | December 13, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I'd like us to trade down and acquire more picks.

Hopefully a HOT prospect that another team covets falls to our pick.

Posted by: Vicc | December 13, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Recommendations:
Offense:
Keep Jason; ditch Portis, Sellers and Randle El; add at least one O lineman and a running back; stay with the second-year receivers, who apparently only needed a chance; trade Cooley while you can, not because I don't love him but because Davis has shown he can do the job and he's younger and a bigger target.
Defense:
Play Orakpo as an end and Landry as a strong safety; get another defensive back to replace Stonehands Rogers who is leaving anyway; maybe look for a young linebacker.
Special teams:
Get a real punt returner/kick returner.
Overall:
The addition of Sherm "Bingo" Lewis, the subtraction of Portis and the gelling of a makeshift line have been the keys to the Redskins recent offensive success (a night and day difference that began the second half of the Falcons game, even though Ws have been elusive since then).
I don't think Zorn has what it takes to stay as head coach. I'd prefer to see Cerrato replaced, too, however unlikely that is.
We need a pro head coach and a pro GM and the few pieces identified above to maybe make a run for the playoffs next year, if we're lucky.
Something's clicking for these guys the last few games. We'd be well served to figure out what it is and try to hold onto it.

Posted by: jdsp2000 | December 13, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say it, but why don't you think Zorn is part of that?
____________________________

Something's clicking for these guys the last few games. We'd be well served to figure out what it is and try to hold onto it.

Posted by: jdsp2000

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 13, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

It's gonna be tough for London Fletcher to earn a pro bowl berth with Pat Willis playing in the NFC.

1/3 of the votes belong to fans, but the other 2/3's belong to coaches/players(I think)

Opposing offenses must gameplan for Willis. Unfortunately I can't say the same for London. He shoulda made a few earlier in his career.

Posted by: Vicc | December 13, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Please excuse the triple-post.

Posted by: jdsp2000 | December 13, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Great. The Raiders beat us in the Super Bowl. We beat em in the Loser Bowl.

As for the person who said we only needed a 23 yard FG to beat the Saints, they were playing w/out their starting secondary last week.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | December 13, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

As for the person who said we only needed a 23 yard FG to beat the Saints, they were playing w/out their starting secondary last week.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | December 13, 2009 9:56 PM

Hey, we've been playing without ten starters who are on IR.

Posted by: League-Source | December 13, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Gano place kicking to the 5-yard line is encouraging.

Our secondary has been found out and Blache/Gray need to help the corners and Landry somehow - possibly by fooling the other team into thinking they have Landry isolated. Better to figure it out now than next year.

Ganther looked lost in pass protection (sorry JC), but put in a good effort today.

JC got slammed and made some good throws, scrambled well. What if he plays this well through the final games? Why is it a foregone conclusion he won't be here next year. F Dan Snyder.

Fletcher is earning his inevitable pro bowl selection.

Wanted Carter to get that TD.

No props to Vinny. WE ARE 4 - 9, largely because he neglected the offensive line. Remember the Lions? Carolina? KC? Falcons? NY?

Anyway, what a relief to get that one in four win. Overall played well.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 13, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Andy Reid's use of two qbs to me looks like the future.

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 13, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

What if...

Skins fire Zorn, hire Grimm and promote Lewis to OC, retain JC and draft OL...?

Posted by: earlech | December 13, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

F the Eagles

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 13, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Jason,
I don't know what all the naysayers are watching, but I see a team that plays hard every week, and a coaching staff doing more than should be expected with many of their big name players out of action. I see progress. And when you bring in a new philosophy and system this is what you should be looking for.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but it will be a travesty for Dan & Vinny to fire Coach Zorn and replace Jason Campbell after the season. Actually, it will be more than a travesty, it will be the biggest mistake of their mistake scarred tenure.
I would, however, tell Antwaan Randel El to clear out his locker.
But the way you build a winner is to stand behind those that show the deep desire to win, and make sure they have the personnel needed to accomplish their goals. That desire epitomises Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell. And I believe a very strong case can be made for each of these men's ability to take this team to the highest level.

Posted by: hounddog1 | December 13, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I am numb to the skins at this point. Glad they won, glad some players are stepping up. But there still needs to be deep fundamental change in this organization if they are to build a franchise that can sustain competence and strive for excellence.

I am being won over to the idea of retaining JC however...

But in the end I have full confidence that snyder will keep the parts that are rancid and jettison all the pieces to the turnaround.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 13, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

If the stars align just right, we get what we need for 2010.

PLAN A:

A minimun of three draftee o-line studs, ATOGWE at FS, DUNTA ROBINSON/CARLOS ROGERS at CB and KEITH BULLOCK at Strong-side OLB.

Or PLAN B:

E. BERRY, C. BLACK, M. JOHNSON and resign ROGERS/D. ROBINSON, K. BULLOCK and ........well, there just isn't a great LT prospect out there in 2010........ so we better hope CAMPBELL is available or VC may have to engineer a trade. And I have no idea where we have a surfit of talent at any position.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 13, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

earlech I like where your heads at.... that scenario could be sweeet!

Posted by: ljhartnett24 | December 13, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Woohoo!!!

1 Game = 1 Win!

Now for New York and Dallas!

Posted by: kost52 | December 13, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Grimm isn't going to take a HC job where his offensive scheme is dictated to him.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 13, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Hail 2 the redskins. Can we not be happy 4 these guys. I guess not with the $$ they get paid. 4 wins this season..who knows with a good draft next season. Hope we get rid of vinny and hire the colts gm ot @ least their top assistant. Keep zorn as the qb coach. Promote lewis 2 o.c. portis is done betts good riddance...hopefully we can build on youth through trading our 1st round pick 4 more picks if we are lucky. off. Line need @ least 2. Running back glaring need. C.b. and l.b. free agency? Wish we had more picks

Posted by: davetoobs146 | December 13, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Earlech, I'll go along with that.

Posted by: jdsp2000 | December 13, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I will admit, its finally good to see Campbell running with the ball when he doesn't see anything downfield, instead of half-heartedly making a feeble attempt at throwing the ball.

Could this be a product of Zorn spending more time with Campbell as QB coach instead of Offensive Coordinator and play caller.

Who knows?

Guess we won't find out if he's fired as HC after the season.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | December 13, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis can be a serious weapon. Randle El is a joke and takes way too many plays from Kelly. Graham Gano looks like a keeper.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 13, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

JC got slammed and made some good throws, scrambled well. What if he plays this well through the final games? Why is it a foregone conclusion he won't be here next year.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 13, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse


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Considering the options in FA, Draft, or current roster,? .. U have a point!

If periculum were here 2nite, I'm sure he'd answer your question.

I'd tell ya, if dem guys there, Danny and Vin let him get away w/o at least a 2nd--but really a 1st--round compensatory pick, then that is just stupid!

We gave up a few picks to get him and he's not a bust yet, due to the fact that he has improved every year he's been in the league. Keep him! Keep Zorn! I just wanna keep the same system for more than 2 years. He11, they even brought Al Saunders in on Joe Gibbs 2.0.

We bring in some O-linemen via draft. Find some defensive depth in Free Agency. Find a future running back in the draft.

Sit back with a 'Guinness' and watch continuity for a 'Change'

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"TD!"

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 13, 2009 6:49 PM
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Thanx for letting me borrow that:

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*wink*

Posted by: Vicc | December 13, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Still need to draft a franchise QB after this season's done.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | December 13, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Ladies and Gentlemen:

LAST

B.

Be..

Bee...

Beep Beep

Move On.

Thanx.

Posted by: Vicc | December 13, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Still need to draft a franchise QB after this season's done.

Posted by: jsmith33351

Yes because if we had Jimmy Clausen in here we would be contending for the SB..

Posted by: The_Spear | December 13, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

FINALLY get to watch a game I recorded on my DVR (I don't watch the ones we lose). I wish we could keep most of the players we have now, keep Zorn, Lewis and Smith, build some continuity and let these guys grow. I think we would be crazy to draft a QB and start over with a new HC that will just blow everything up again. Draft lineman, a RB and plan for the future for God's sake. This isn't your fantasy league. Also, Vinny would have to go

Posted by: shamusliam | December 13, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Well Done Guys ^^

Oh, BTW did you know there is a new thread?

That's a rhetorical question.

See U there...


LAST

Posted by: Vicc | December 13, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

What will Cerato do fire Zorn and hire Wsde Phillips after he gets fired Then whatever qb he drafts will be a flop Matt Millen lives again

Posted by: skinsfanfrmbirth | December 13, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

The Raiders SUKKKKKKKKKKkk how did they beat the Steelers and Cincy?

I hope Vinny is canned and we take OLinemen in the 1st two rounds.

Not the biggest JC fan but whomever is back there needs a sturdy OL...Skins need to have an un-sexy draft and load up on nothing but OL'men come APRIL.

WHere are all those raiders fans who were on here earlier in the year talking about how they were going to destroy the skins? GHOSTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS now.

Posted by: Redskins2Win | December 13, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

A couple of weeks ago I had no problem with Zorn getting fired and JC leaving the team, but now I am not so sure.
Zorn may not be a good HC but he may still be a good Offensive Coordinator. There is no question he treated JC as if he was too fragile. No doubt also that it was b/c he didn't fully trust the player, and his conservative play calling showed that.
JC has been year for more than a few years now and people still refer to him as if he is still a rookie learning the ropes.
While what we have seen from JC these last few weeks has been encouraging, I still believe he is not the type of QB who will win you games based on his performance alone. He is also not the type of QB who will lose you games either. In other words he is a typical Mark Rypien and Doug William QB who are above average QBs whose performance is not the sole determining factor in whether or not the Skins will be successful.
My biggest concern now is losing Zorn to another unproven coach new coach, and JC to free agency while we draft another QB to start the rebuilding process all over again. As some of you have rightly pointed out, being a good Offensive Coordinator does not necessarily equal being a good Head Coach with a lot more responsibility on your plate.
Ideally, and b/c of the latest developments on how competitive the team has been lately, I'd say leave things as they are with the personnel we have (i.e: Zorn as HC, Sherman Lewis as Offensive Coordinator, and JC as QB...) and carry the momentum next season. Scoring back to back 30 pts is at least very promising for the offensive. All we need now is a few solid Offensive Linemen, a Linebacker, a Defensive Linemen, a CB, and another RB and we are all set. I'd also like to see what Colt has to offer as QB next season.
But I am afraid that Skins Management mistreated Zorn and JC so much, that if I were in their shoes I would not wait to leave town after the season is over. I simply don't see how Snyder and Vinny can convinced Zorn, and JC to stay for another year.
So whether we like it or not, I'd say it is a foregone conclusion that next year will be a rebuilding year. Blame Snyder and Vinny for turning the Skins into the worst run franchise in the league, and for building a reputation that will probably not get any respected Head Coach to come to DC now.

Posted by: JeanJak | December 14, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

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