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Redskins Give 4 Punters a Tryout (Updated)

It sounds like a reality TV show: "Who Wants To Be A Punter For A Struggling Football Team?"

There won't be cameras around, but there will be a competition of sorts today at Redskins Park. The team has flown in four candidates, one of whom may or may not assume the team's punting duties on Sunday against the Carolina Panthers.

Auditioning for special teams coordinator Danny Smith today are:

Glenn Pakulak: A 29-year-old punter who's trying to catch on with his ninth NFL team. Previously, he has worn the colors of the Bears, Falcons, Jets, Raiders, Steelers, Titans, Saints and Jets. He was most recently cut by New Orleans, where he averaged 37.8 yards on 24 punts a year ago.

Sam Paulescu: An Oregon State product who has punted for Dallas and Denver. He averaged 35.2 yards on 53 punts for the Cowboys last year after the team signed him midway through the season.

Waylon Prather: He has averaged 0 yards on 0 punts in his career. In fact, he has no NFL experience. A college punter at San Jose State, he has tried to catch on with the Saints, Jets and most recently, the Cardinals.

Ricky Schmitt: He's from Salem, Va., and played at Shepherd University. Most recently with Oakland, he also has played for Arizona, San Francisco and Pittsburgh. He was signed as an undrafted free agent by the Cardinals in 2007.

The Redskins' veteran punter Hunter Smith, whom coach Jim Zorn had called one of the team's biggest offseason acquisitions, injured his groin in Sunday's win over the Bucs and his status for this week's game is not yet clear. If he feels any pain, the team will likely use hm as holder on field goals and extra points but let someone else punt for the week.

"I can't tell you want I'm going to do yet," Zorn said Monday. "But that's definitely a possibility -- getting a guy to come in for a week and punt and give him a rest. Try to get that leg strengthened so I don't have this reoccurring the entire season."

By Rick Maese  |  October 6, 2009; 9:39 AM ET
 
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1st to give my new plausible theory...

It's a good thing we are getting all of the bad teams first. We/Zorn/Campbell/Defense can practice their craft on the less elite teams.

THEN, after the bye, have our mojo ready for the tough schedule. And go on a tear.

Believe.

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

BRING BACK DERRICK BROOKS!

Posted by: arenasmvp | October 6, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

The truth is that, while being mishandled, some of it is on them. Or Vinny for overvaluing them.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 9:26 AM |

When the Archuleta/Lloyd/Carter/ARE fiasco occurred, Williams way overvalued Archuleta and Carter and one of Gibbs' O coaches way overvalued Lloyd and ARE. Gibbs unfortunately did not have a Bobby Beathard. One wonders how the Thomas/Kelly/Davis fiasco came about. Vinny is not film room rat so this must have been the brainchild of somebody else.

Posted by: GasFace | October 6, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Just having a 10-15 million dollar QB doesn't make you a contender.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17
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But not having one makes you -not- a contender. Maybe that's a more important point?

Posted by: REXskins | October 6, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Offer MK12, DT11, and Fred Davis for Percy Harvin straight up.

Then watch as Minnesota laughs in our face and thanks us for the practical joke.

Harvin is 10x the player any one of those guys are.

Welcome to Taylor Jacobs all over again. I'd like to say 'Rod Gardner all over again,' but Rod Gardner actually showed potential.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I personally would like to see the team bring Randall Cunningham out of retirement for just one game to punt and run one fake punt pass.

I am just wondering... Zorn is talking about Hunter Smith needing to strengthen his leg but it is my understanding that he has a pulled groin muscle. How does one strengthen a groin?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

But not having one makes you -not- a contender. Maybe that's a more important point?

Posted by: REXskins | October 6, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Tell that to the Ravens, Broncos, and 49ers. They are all leading their divisions with cheap QBs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Can I just point out how sad your team is when you sign Haynesworth, Dhall, Dockery, and draft Orakpo and your punter is called by the head coach one of your biggest offseason acquisitions......my oh my how for this team has fallen.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

4th - I'm happy to join you on the unrealistically optimistic train...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 6, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Just having a 10-15 million dollar QB doesn't make you a contender.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

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peyton manning and tom brady are single handedly proving this thought wrong

Posted by: mopp04 | October 6, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

BRING BACK DERRICK BROOKS!

Posted by: arenasmvp | October 6, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

when did Derrick Brooks play here? There was a Durant Brooks that punted, I don't think we should sign Derrick Brooks the ESPN analyst pseudo retired linebacker to be our punter though......

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

peyton manning and tom brady are single handedly proving this thought wrong

Posted by: mopp04 | October 6, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

What about Matt Schaub, Marc Bulger, Carson Palmer, Donavan McNabb, Tony Romo, Matt Cassel, Jamarcus Russel, Phillip Rivers, Brady Quinn, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Hasselbeck, and Matt Stafford?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Just having a 10-15 million dollar QB doesn't make you a contender.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

peyton manning and tom brady are single handedly proving this thought wrong

Posted by: mopp04

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You have your logic backwards. For that statement to be proved wrong, every $10-15 million QB would have to make their teams a contender, not just two or three.

So until Matt Cassel, Tony Romo, David Garrard, or Aaron Rodgers single-handedly make their teams contenders, your claim fails.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Cindy, if you're watching, any news on the Chris Henry tryout?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

psp, wow, thats pretty bitter and angry sounding.....you still mad that Moss called out JC yesterday, stated its been 5 years and JC STILL can't get it right.....lol......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17 I think you might be on to something. Look at the recent success of young QB. I see teams that have a solid OL, strong running game, and some teams have very good defenses. Flacco, Ryan, Sanchez, may have more potential than JC at the QB position, but they are benefiting from the fact that they have talented players to support them while they learn on the job. It might make more sense for the skins to build the team's talent base first then draft a QB. Otherwise we may end up with another Ramsey, and JC situations on our hand.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Repost

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Tell that to the Ravens, Broncos, and 49ers. They are all leading their divisions with cheap QBs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan1
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We'll see how they do down the stretch. The 49ers will not win a playoff game (and their division sucks), Bronco's record is skewed by easy games (except the great one last night), and as for Flacco, he probably will not be cheap in the near future. I say if the QB is performing well enough to be a 15 mil QB in the near future, that doesn't count toward the "winning with cheap QBs" theory.

Posted by: REXskins | October 6, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

2005 1st Round Q-backs:

So how does a lil 'wudda, cudda, shudda' work in hindsight again?:

1. San Francisco 49ers - Alex Smith*, QB Utah

21. Jacksonville Jaguars - Matt Jones, QB Arkansas

24. Green Bay Packers - Aaron Rogers, QB California

25. Washington Redskins (from Denver) - Jason Campbell, QB Auburn


Note:

Alex Smith: excelled in college in the same system Tim Tebow plays in now.

Matt Jones: well, let's just say he plays the white lines well.

Jason Campbell: there's a book on him--erratic shotgun performer, weak game manager, can produce from time to time

Aaron Rodgers: definately a keeper

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

What about Matt Schaub, Marc Bulger, Carson Palmer, Donavan McNabb, Tony Romo, Matt Cassel, Jamarcus Russel, Phillip Rivers, Brady Quinn, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Hasselbeck, and Matt Stafford?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I'd take 7 of those guys right now over Campbell (Schaub, Palmer, McNabb, Romo, Cassel, Rivers, Rodgers) if healthy I'd take Bulger and Tim's big bro, it would be a toss up for me on Stafford's potential vs. JC's mediocrity Quinn is probably a no and the only guy on the list that is a definite no thank you is Russel.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Just having a 10-15 million dollar QB doesn't make you a contender.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

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peyton manning and tom brady are single handedly proving this thought wrong

Posted by: mopp04 | October 6, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Peyton and Brady also happen to be 2 of the best QBs to have ever played the game.

There are several QBs in the 10-15 million range that do not win games by themselves.

You can't compare other quarterbacks to those 2 based only on pay range. If both of them were getting paid 2 mil for whatever reason, would you then expect that every QB getting paid 2 mil. would be able to play at their level?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 6, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers shatters my theory that Rookie QBs should always be drafted to play immediately. I feel like they lose the flow of the game and never end up amounting to anything. But then there's Rodgers. Well if we draft a QB first round I sure hope we start him.

Posted by: REXskins | October 6, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

ZJFR2 - did I see you suggseting yesterday that Jeff Garcia should actually be our starter next year?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Moss "called out" JC for clicking with him on deep balls, thanks to two consecutive weeks of 50+ yard TDs, which have been a noted issue with JC in the past.

Meanwhile, we've got a few geniuses on this blog claiming our three youngsters with a total of 50 games under their belt are as good as a rookie who has, in his first 4 games, outproduced the three of them for their entire careers....combined.

To each his own, I guess.

But don't worry BG, MK12 has yet to be thrown the ball this season. That's all that's holding him back. We all know this.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Since we're STILL talking about JC17, check out this stat:

Record as a starter:

JC17: 18-22
Aaron Rodgers: 8-12

My point all along is that you need things around your QB to make him successful, and for your team to win. While Rodgers is definitely proving to be a better QB that JC17, he has a horrible offensive line and bad defense that are crippling the Packers right now. All I am saying is I'd love to see Campbell play one game with the Giants O-Line doing the blocking. Bet it would quiet some of the doubters considerably...

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"David Garrard, or Aaron Rodgers"

I would swap JC for these two dudes before you could say "sweep right"

Also Flacco isnt cheap, he was a first rounder so he makes a decent salary, also invested the pick in him...and if he continues to pan out they will resign/restructure to huge contract.

I get the point about not morgageing everything on "the guy" but some of the guys thrown out as analogous to JC are silly honestly.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"I get the point about not morgageing everything on "the guy" but some of the guys thrown out as analogous to JC are silly honestly.

Posted by: chrislarry"

You missed the entire point of the post.

They aren't analogous to JC.

They are analogous to Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. That's how they're being paid.

So until they produce like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady (which won't happen), or until they have a legitimate supporting cast, simply having a $10-15 million QB is, in a nutshell, worthless.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

psp, I'll stand by what moss said, DESPITE those passes, yeah, some genius's want to dismiss what the #1 wideout on the team said about JC...can you believe that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Record as a starter:

JC17: 18-22
Aaron Rodgers: 8-12


To be fair you'd have to do this comparrison over the period that Rogers has started, and look at their QB numbers.

Considering the Skins defense has been considerably better that GB, you could argue JC has squandered opportunities to win games. The caveat would be GB obviously has weapons on off.

The Olines seem to be a wash...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

They should call me for a punter tryout.

Posted by: supermancalvert | October 6, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

You can't compare other quarterbacks to those 2 based only on pay range. If both of them were getting paid 2 mil for whatever reason, would you then expect that every QB getting paid 2 mil. would be able to play at their level?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 6, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

My point is that if you build a great team around a crappy QB you can still win a super bowl. This is evidenced by our 3 super bowls and a ton of others. Joe Nameth, Terry Bradshaw, Trent Dilfer, Big Ben(first super bowl), Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetler, Ken Stabler, and Jim McMahon all won super bowls. They won it with a great defense, running game, and great offensive lines.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I think there is some magic going on here:

We're looking for a Punter, all three last names start with P and they're all weird sounding names.

P to the power of 4.
I say we start our superbowl run when we hire one of these guys.

Posted by: thor2 | October 6, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we can trade Campbell to the Raiders for Jim Lachey?

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 6, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Considering the Skins defense has been considerably better that GB, you could argue JC has squandered opportunities to win games. The caveat would be GB obviously has weapons on off.

The Olines seem to be a wash...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Maybe our defense is better because we have an extra 10 million year of cap space we aren't using on our QB? Maybe we used that extra cap space to keep our young defensive talent and purchase high talent free agents?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Ranking of current starting QBs or ones that played IMHO:

Peyton
Brees
Brady
Big Ben
McNabb
Eli
Rivers
Rodgers
Warner
Ryan
Cutler
Schaub
Palmer
Favre
Romo
Flacco
Pennington (now on IR)
Garrard
Sanchez
Hill
Stafford
Cassell (10 wins on a good team, been hurt on a team with probably the least amount of talent in the league we'll see in 2 weeks though)
Orton
Campbell
Kolb (back to bench w/ Mcnabb healthy but two 300 yard games but I'd take him right now over JC in a heartbeat)
Kerry Collins
Bulger (only because he is never healthy)
Hasselback (ibid)
Edwards
Henne
Anderson/Quinn
Johnson/Freeman/Leftwich
Russel

So in my opinion there are only 8 teams in the league who are worse off then us at the QB position. And less then that have worse coaches then Zorn. I wonder why we're struggling???

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Carolina will be hungry for a win this week and the skins cannot afford to lose this one. Peppers, who has been mediocre at best, will be hungry for sacks. We should squash them, although historically we don't play well there. Zorn, wake up, open up the offense so that the defense does not spend all day on the field. HAIL SKINS!

Posted by: jenksredskins | October 6, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

So psp, I guess i didn't watch Garrard win a playoff game singlehandidly, or keep his team a contender once the "guy" they had invested in didn't pan out. (All of that with a horrendously bad WR corps I might add)

Whateves, this whole argument is pointless. You can puke stats at me all you want. I am sticking with W/L over the last few seasons and what I see from JC vs what I watch in all the other games I watch (which is as many as I possibly can, love me some NFL)

This tells me, I have QB envy on about just about every other team...

I got work to do, have fun on the merry-go-round...

Have we ever stopped to think that maybe we are all right....and that they all suck?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

If we add a punter to the 53-man roster, won't we have to cut someone... at least for one week?

Mayor, any scoops on who the unlucky 54th man is?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 6, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

A handful of super bowl wins with average to sub-par QB's out of 40 isn't a very convincing argument. I understand your allegiance to JC. We all wanted to see him play well. But this season stinks of 2006 when we got to 2-2 beating Jax in OT and then only winning 3 more games all year.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 6, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

cl, I have offense envy of most teams in the league.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

"This is evidenced by our 3 super bowls and a ton of others. Joe Nameth, Terry Bradshaw, Trent Dilfer, Big Ben(first super bowl), Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetler, Ken Stabler, and Jim McMahon all won super bowls. They won it with a great defense, running game, and great offensive lines."

Look I get "teams" win SBs...duh...but reading this list i find it hard to believe these QBS had nothing to do with their teams success. if nothing else they were great leaders of men and had intangibles that make QBS winners..

This has reached the asinine level...

Have fun...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

BG, the fact that you think I have 'dismissed' what Moss said is simply delusional. Re-read what I wrote.

"Moss 'called out' JC for clicking with him on deep balls, thanks to two consecutive weeks of 50+ yard TDs, which has been a noted issue with JC in the past."

Meanwhile, you morph his statement in your mind to tell yourself that MK12, DT11, and Fred Davis are as good as Percy Harvin.

To quote the great BG....ufb.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

psp, I'll stand by what moss said, DESPITE those passes, yeah, some genius's want to dismiss what the #1 wideout on the team said about JC...can you believe that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Bean, no disrespect, but the Moss thing is a dead horse at this point and you're beating the crap out of it. No one really knows the context of Santana's quote, what his demeanor was when he said it (Wilbon even mentioned he wondered if Moss was smiling and therefore kidding around, or whatever).

But I'd be careful going down the route you're taking on all of our young receivers. MK12 and DT11 were passed by a ton of teams for a reason. DT -- one hit wonder concerns and immaturity. Sleepy had concerns over attitude. MK was hurt, and now that he's back we seem to think he's a burner that should be used on deep routes, which isn't his strength, IMO. You can lay it ALL on JC17 if you want to (and to be clear, I do think he deserves his share of criticism), but I think that's shortsighted...

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Look.

Fact:
This is Campbell's last year.

Fact:
Todd Collins won't be allowed on the field.

So, with that, we need to treat these games up until the Philly game as preseason games that count. Go atleast .500. And be a smooth running Team on sides of the ball. You make the playoffs in the 2nd half of the season.

Book it.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I hope we crush the Panthers, for if no other reason than we can spend a week like this:

"Remember that great play...thats was awesome."

"Oh yeah, but remember that other play...that was stellar!"

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

A handful of super bowl wins with average to sub-par QB's out of 40 isn't a very convincing argument. I understand your allegiance to JC. We all wanted to see him play well. But this season stinks of 2006 when we got to 2-2 beating Jax in OT and then only winning 3 more games all year.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 6, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

A handful? Take a better look at the list.

Joe Namath
Terry Bradshaw
Terry Bradshaw
Terry Bradshaw
Terry Bradshaw
Ken Stabler
Jim Plunkett
Joe Theismann
Jim McMahon
Doug Williams
Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Ben Roethlisberger (only sucked in his first superbowl)

That's 15 out of 40 super bowls. That's almost half of them won by crappy QBs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

ZJFR2 - did I see you suggseting yesterday that Jeff Garcia should actually be our starter next year?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Yeah you did, all the guy does is make every team he's ever been on competitive and win games. I am agreeing to an extent with the guy saying you need more than a big-time QB to win. While I think any team with Brees, Peyton, McNabb, Big Ben, and Brady will always be competitive I agree you can definitely win with an average QB. I just happen to think JC is not average, I think he's below average with flashes of average. We act like throwing a 59 yard TD to a wide open Moss is some amazing play.....ANY QB IN THE NFL CAN HIT AN OPEN RECEIVER. JC does not read defenses well, loses track of down and distance on key drives on the road 5 years into his career (see the Giants game), has poor pocket awareness, makes slow decisions, has a slow release, locks on to his receivers, can't throw a decent fade route, can't throw the back shoulder out, is often horrible inaccurate, has ball security (fumbling) issues, and most of his best plays in recent games have come with his feet and he aint no Michael Vick circa 2005. So yeah, give me an average savvy vet for 2 years and let me rebuild my olines and find game breaker at RB while maintaining my solid defense and allowing my young wide receiving core to develop, then down the road worry about finding the QB of the future.....that's what I was saying, maybe that guy isn't garcia, maybe it is Collins, maybe its a free agent this offseason, but we have to get somebody in there that is able to read defenses make quick decisions and utilize all the receivers on the field not just his security blankets......oh yeah, and we need a real coach....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

JC17 has been sacked 8 times along with a handful of others. Rodgers has been dumped 20 times in 4 games. Brady has been sacked 4 times. Not saying our line isn't a problem, but there are a few teams worse off than us at keeping their QB upright. If Campbell would take off and run more, I think that might open up a few things.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Joe Namath
Terry Bradshaw
Terry Bradshaw
Terry Bradshaw
Terry Bradshaw
Ken Stabler
Jim Plunkett
Joe Theismann
Jim McMahon
Doug Williams
Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Ben Roethlisberger (only sucked in his first superbowl)

Quick show of hands, who wishes we had a "crappy" QB like those on this list?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, you morph his statement in your mind to tell yourself that MK12, DT11, and Fred Davis are as good as Percy Harvin.

To quote the great BG....ufb.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 10:32 AM |
psp,

I'm saying Percy Harvin is good because they know how to use him.

If Harvin was on the Skins he wouldn't be doing any better then MK12 guaranteed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"Meanwhile, you morph his statement in your mind to tell yourself that MK12, DT11, and Fred Davis are as good as Percy Harvin"

ufb indeed, I haven't mentioned Harvin, but somehow you know what I'm thinking....wow....to quote Moss, "Like five years, you should know me now"....thats all you need to know right there...5 years, and they're still not right....that can't possibly be on JC now can it......I'll let you try and spin this as best you can, however the statements hang out there like a STALE FART.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"Carolina will be hungry for a win this week and the skins cannot afford to lose this one."


A man with focus.

panthers v. redskins should be a violent defensive affair.

The differences?:

panthers running game v. redskins' run D

Jake Delhomme v. redskins' secondary

Peppers v. Samuels

Steve Smith v. D Hall

Campbell v. panthers' pass rush

I think the panthers will be inspired like the lions where two weeks ago...and you know what that means.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

For those wondering about the Chris Henry tryout thing - I heard Zorn talking about it last night on CSN. It sounds like this is not for an immediate signing, but is instead a "just in case" scenario. They're working him out now so that down the line, if one of the RBs goes down with an injury, they already know if they can bring in Henry.

Makes sense to me. Kind of a preventative investigative move

Posted by: -swb | October 6, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2 out of your list of QB how many do you think can win consistently given the current offensive situation on the skins team. Here's my list

Peyton
Brees
Brady
Big Ben
McNabb
Eli
Rivers

Rodgers has proven by his record that he'll need a decent supporting cast to win. Warner wouldn't last three games behind this line. Cutler has proven not much better than JC in W/L when he was a one man show. He's winning now, but da Bears aren't asking him to carry the team. My point here is that at this stage JC is asked to carry this team. Which I don't he's able to do at this point, but not too mant other Qbs will be able to as well.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Maske (Who, btw, is a respected NFL Reporter) is on the Tony K show was asked by Tony what people were saying about the Redskins around the league.

And he said people, including himself, are saying, 'How do you NOT make a QB change during halftime of that game? That was the most ideal time to see if it really is the QB that's the issue.'

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

"If Harvin was on the Skins he wouldn't be doing any better then MK12 guaranteed."

Amen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"So psp, I guess i didn't watch Garrard win a playoff game singlehandidly, or keep his team a contender once the "guy" they had invested in didn't pan out. (All of that with a horrendously bad WR corps I might add)"

The 'guy' they invested in had consecutive seasons of 11-5 and 12-4 records. If David Garrard's main accomplishment was merely maintaining (then subsequently dropping off) from Byron Leftwich, who is now on his 4th team and was recently benched for a 5th round running back taking snaps from under center, then by all means, crown him.

By the way, Garrard wasn't a $10-15 million QB when he won the playoff game. Curious to see how their talent level coincidentally dropped off when Garrard signed his new deal (including the decimation of their offensive and defensive lines, which saw two all-pro players traded away in the same offseason). Stick Garrard under center here, and see how many games he wins.

But whateves, this argument is going nowhere.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Quick show of hands, who wishes we had a "crappy" QB like those on this list?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 10:38 AM |

Me

TB was a great QB

There are 4 HOF QB's on that list.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Jake Delhomme v. redskins' secondary

This will be the key to the game, the immovable object versus the unstoppable force....

Delhomme will be trying to throw ints all over the field, and Rogers will be doing everything in his power to prevent that from happening.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Quick show of hands, who wishes we had a "crappy" QB like those on this list?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Check their stats, we already do. You only think they are good because they won super bowls on great teams.

Joe Nameth had a 50% completion percentage and more career INTs then TDs.

Terry Bradshaw also had a 50% completion percentage and only had 2 more career TDs than INTs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Quick show of hands, who wishes we had a "crappy" QB like those on this list?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 10:38 AM

I'll take all of them over who we have had this decade.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

ZJFR2- wow, ok... just making sure we are talking about the same 40 year old Garcia who couldn't even make it as a BACKUP to the worst QB in the league (Russell), or a backup to McNabbs's backup.. and is currently not playing football.

I don't know that JC is the answer, but I'm pretty sure Garcia isn't the answer, even as a one year stopgap. I think Garcia's years of being average are over at 40.. hes not Favre.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Glenn Pakulak: A 29-year-old punter who's trying to catch on with his ninth NFL team. Previously, he has worn the colors of the Bears, Falcons, Jets, Raiders, Steelers, Titans, Saints and Jets.

Whoever is supposed to be editing these things is slacking. He's only played for 7 teams as the Jets don't count twice.

I watched the dude punt back when he was at Kentucky and supposedly he's a physical freak. I hear he bench presses up around 405 lbs.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | October 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"5 years, and they're still not right"

Or it's five years and "he has a feel for me now."

But whateves Greg, keep morphing the statement in your mind. As always, you only hear what your want to hear.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2 out of your list of QB how many do you think can win consistently given the current offensive situation on the skins team. Here's my list

Peyton
Brees
Brady
Big Ben
McNabb
Eli
Rivers

Rodgers has proven by his record that he'll need a decent supporting cast to win. Warner wouldn't last three games behind this line. Cutler has proven not much better than JC in W/L when he was a one man show. He's winning now, but da Bears aren't asking him to carry the team. My point here is that at this stage JC is asked to carry this team. Which I don't he's able to do at this point, but not too mant other Qbs will be able to as well.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I would say that these guys would win more than JC and would make our offense at least a viable NFL attack, there are too many problems on this team to say that all these guys make us SB contenders if they were here, although I think the first 4 do:

Peyton
Brees
Brady
Big Ben
McNabb
Eli
Rivers
Rodgers
Ryan
Cutler
Palmer
Favre
Romo
Flacco
Schaub
Warner

People act like JC is taking a beaten or something, the guy has been sacked 8 times in 4 games one of those games was the Giants, that isn't that bad.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

swb, thanks for the update, I'd rather keep him and lose aldridge, because he's scheduled to have a workout with Houston this week as well...I can't see them passing....on him.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

OK I am done.....

JC=Nameth/Bradshaw/Stabler....or even BJ/Rypien/Williams/Theisman....got it.

I stand corrected....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Not that this has anything to do with the Redskins but I just read that Rush Limbaugh is bidding to buy the Rams.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 6, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm saying Percy Harvin is good because they know how to use him.

If Harvin was on the Skins he wouldn't be doing any better then MK12 guaranteed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I totally agree with this statement. We would screw him up and not use him to his potential.

When the Vikes Drafted him their offensive coordinator started creating plays just for Harvin. We would make him sit and then say receivers need 3 years to develop.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 6, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"If Harvin was on the Skins he wouldn't be doing any better then MK12 guaranteed.

Posted by: Flounder21"

To each his own, I guess.

Just for counter-argument's sake, that's like saying "if Antwaan Randle El were playing for the Vikings, he'd be a 1300 yard receiver."

But I know, we have a vendetta against young receivers.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

beantown

"Delhomme will be trying to throw ints all over the field, and Rogers will be doing everything in his power to prevent that from happening....."

You is so funny....

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

zj,

Blaming the O-Line is the JC supporters way of putting blame somewhere else.

It's also the FO's bashers way of saying Vinny sucks.

The O-Line has played very good, JC needs to do more. He locks in on one receiver and if it's not there he panicks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

4th, agree with your "preseason" concept of sorts. As easy as camp was, we need the time to get in shape and (hopefully) iron these wrinkles. It can be done...

Posted by: RomoShortball | October 6, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

ZJFR2- wow, ok... just making sure we are talking about the same 40 year old Garcia who couldn't even make it as a BACKUP to the worst QB in the league (Russell), or a backup to McNabbs's backup.. and is currently not playing football.

I don't know that JC is the answer, but I'm pretty sure Garcia isn't the answer, even as a one year stopgap. I think Garcia's years of being average are over at 40.. hes not Favre.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Ryp, Garcia was released from Oakland because he wanted a shot at starting and they were committed to Russel because of the #1 overall gigantic salary thing. The Eagles brought him in case McNabb was hurt for a long time and Kolb didn't perform, well Kolb did and McNabb healed along the timeframe they were expecting. I'm not saying he's the answer, but I'm also not sure how washed up he is and I think your missing the scenarios behind his releases. And all that might be changing pretty soon, see below from PFT this morning Garcia could be a starting QB again pretty soon:

So why has Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell been playing so poorly?

Apparently, he has still yet to embrace the reality of being an NFL quarterback.

Coach Tom Cable called Russell out in the offseason, hoping to push him to take his job more seriously. The team then brought in Jeff Garcia, presumably to nudge Russell toward a higher level of commitment.

And none of it is working.

Boomer Esiason of CBS provided insight regarding the depth of the challenge that the Raiders face.

"I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but it's come to my attention that he has been fined heavily already for being overweight and for being late to meetings," Esiason said, via Jerry McDonald of the Contra Costa Times. "And, he's already missed one meeting. I'm telling you right now, the other 52 guys on that roster are looking at Tom Cable. They're looking at Al Davis, and they're saying we deserve better than this.

"That's why every time he goes on the field, what's the quarterback's job -- to be the leader of the other men on the field with them; to inspire them to greater heights. Right now, he is holding them back. Even though there's not a great alternative, there has to be a change at quarterback, especially if he plays poorly today against a banged up Houston defense."

Amen to that.

It meshes with Garcia's recent comments on FOX Sports Radio, and it's right on the money.

As Peter King said during our visit with Jimmy Roberts at halftime of the Washington-Notre Dame game (and I'm still waiting for that damn latte), if the Raiders are serious about winning this season, they need to call Garcia now and give him the starting job.

As King pointed out off the air, this weekend's Giants game becomes instantly competitive if Garcia is the quarterback.

Next weekend's visit from the Eagles would become a lot more intriguing, too.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

The O-Line has played very good, JC needs to do more. He locks in on one receiver and if it's not there he panicks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Get out of here with that garbage. JC certainly hasn't played as well as he is capable, but neither has the offensive line. Just speculation, but I bet if you asked any GM in the league if he would like to have the right side of our offensive line, he'd laugh in your face...

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"I think he's getting the feel of me now. I give him those looks every day in practice when he overthrows me like, 'Man, c'mon.' Like five years, you should know me now.


psp, has DT/MK, been utilized properly in your mind?? MK is a possession receiver, adn we're sending him on deep pass plays every game. DT is the speed guy and needs to be involved in the game and we don't involve him....

go ahead...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

There are 15 O-Lines in the league including the Vikes who have given up the same or more sacks then us.

The rushing problems don't just fall on the O-Line, if we had a back who didn't fall over his own feet or could make someone miss we might do a little better.

For those who say we can't run right check the last two games, we have had more running yards to the right then the left with less carries going that way.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The O-Line has played very good, JC needs to do more. He locks in on one receiver and if it's not there he panicks.

Posted by: Flounder21

Flounder - come on.. very good? They're poor at run blocking and AT BEST slightly below average pass pro. Did you see Heyer get treated like a rag doll on the sack/fumble?

ZJFR2 - Even so, I really don't think Garcia at 40 could give us more than JC is right now or next season if we kept him... at least JC can run for his life when our O-line breaks down.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The O-Line has played very good, JC needs to do more. He locks in on one receiver and if it's not there he panicks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 10:50 AM

This is utter nonsense. Did you miss the start of the game? They play well in spots, sure. On the whole they're improved over last year, and Zorn could do a better job of calling roll outs, but there are major lapses very regularly.

And from where I was sitting, 11+12 were on the field quite a bit and didn't offer up sqat in terms of getting open. Neither did ARE, for that matter. I'd sure as hell lock on to whatever seems to be working first too.

Posted by: RomoShortball | October 6, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

The O-Line has played very good, JC needs to do more. He locks in on one receiver and if it's not there he panicks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Get out of here with that garbage. JC certainly hasn't played as well as he is capable, but neither has the offensive line. Just speculation, but I bet if you asked any GM in the league if he would like to have the right side of our offensive line, he'd laugh in your face...

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, don't twist what I said into our oline has played well. We can't run the ball we can't establish the point of attack and we certainly aren't great at protection. All I was saying is there are plenty of teams that have given up as many or more sacks then we have so we need to stop pretending that JC exists in a constant state of duress.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

People act like JC is taking a beaten or something, the guy has been sacked 8 times in 4 games one of those games was the Giants, that isn't that bad.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Now cut 10-13 million dollars worth of players and see if we are still contenders. We are only 5 million under the cap and some of those guys are making 20 million this year. This isn't fantasy football. We need to stay under the cap. Of course those QBs are better. They also cost more. All I'm saying is that we are much close to a team with a good defense, good running game, and good offensive line then we are to one of those offesnive juggernaughts. We really just need a RT, young RB, and a C/G. We have been trying for 17 years to find a franchise QB, why not just go with the strategy that worked for us in the past?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

And JCThere are 15 O-Lines in the league including the Vikes who have given up the same or more sacks then us.

Posted by: Flounder21

JC is a pretty mobile guy and has managed to evade a lot of sacks. Its very rare that he gets to step up into a solid pocket... hes always rolling out or squeezing between blocks to get away.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

ryp, I'd say that right now Garcia might give us a boost, he's been playing for a lot longer in the WC offensive system thatn JC has...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

"...we have had more running yards to the right then the left with less carries going that way."

Part of the reason why?: Chad Rhinehart

Heyer and Rhino had things poppin'.

Ooops: I forgot, we are not supposed to acknowledge when the redskins' o-line plays well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Book it.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 10:35 AM

---------

Playoffs?

Drugs?

(as in which DRUGS are you on?)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

There are 15 O-Lines in the league including the Vikes who have given up the same or more sacks then us.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Flounder -- look at who we've played so far. Wait till we play Dallas, the Eagles, Saints, Denver, Atlanta, etc. It could get ugly.

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

JC is a pretty mobile guy and has managed to evade a lot of sacks. Its very rare that he gets to step up into a solid pocket... hes always rolling out or squeezing between blocks to get away.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 10:58 AM |

He doesn't step up even when there is a pocket.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Flounder -- look at who we've played so far. Wait till we play Dallas, the Eagles, Saints, Denver, Atlanta, etc. It could get ugly.

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 11:00 AM |

Thats true but I can only go off of whats happened so far. Hopefully why we are playing bad teams they can improve.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

moe, you just earned a time out with that talk....no posting until 11:16....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

"The O-Line has played very good, JC needs to do more. He locks in on one receiver and if it's not there he panicks."

Flounder is on point this morning.

And the inferred point is, because of this, we don't really know how good the young receivers are when JC looks to throw at #47, #89, and #82 all the time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The O-Line has played very good, JC needs to do more. He locks in on one receiver and if it's not there he panicks.

Posted by: Flounder21

This is pretty much what I've been seeing...

Sometimes you gotta move because the pocket moves. His 'feel' for the pocket and pressure isn't there. And Zorn is throwing Buges under the bus. Zorn's pillow throwing drill isn't working...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

And JCThere are 15 O-Lines in the league including the Vikes who have given up the same or more sacks then us.

Posted by: Flounder21

JC is a pretty mobile guy and has managed to evade a lot of sacks. Its very rare that he gets to step up into a solid pocket... hes always rolling out or squeezing between blocks to get away.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

ryp, I'd say that right now Garcia might give us a boost, he's been playing for a lot longer in the WC offensive system thatn JC has...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? 5 times a game he has a great pocket and doesn't step up into it, he gets happy feet and takes off. Anybody watch last nights game? Rodgers took an absolute beating but still 4th quarter game on the line he's stepping up in the pocket eyes down field reading the defense getting the ball out quickly and making plays. I was completely impressed with him. He made one bad throw on an out that Winfield had totally read and jumped the route, other than that he played courageously. You give him our team right now and he wins last night, our defense is better and I'll make the argument with anyone that our skill positions outside of running back are solid just not being utilized by both scheme and QB decision-making.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is a gaper.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

zj,

Blaming the O-Line is the JC supporters way of putting blame somewhere else.

It's also the FO's bashers way of saying Vinny sucks.

The O-Line has played very good, JC needs to do more. He locks in on one receiver and if it's not there he panicks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 10:50 AM

Here's my issue, and I'm by no means JC die hard support IMO he's our best hope of winning now, but JC bashers always say don't look at his stat it means nothing. However, you all use stats to defend everything else about this team. The OL play isn't good. They can hardly run block and pass pro JC hardly can reach the top of his drop set and throw. He's always moving up in the pocket. Not every QB has to do this; and this is even against poor teams. Imagine what GG, Philly, Denver, etc will do against the OL.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Greg, have you been watching the games? Seriously. I can't think that you have, with the claims you're making. MK12 is being sent on all types of routes. One pick came in the last game on a short crossing route. Another came on a Go route. MK12 has averaged less than 11 yards per reception, which is FAR from a deep option, though he HAS been asked to run a few deep routes (coincidentally, it's funny how people have changed their tunes about going deep from now on). There is no spinning this. MK12 is being used EVERYWHERE. The dude hasn't gotten it done. He has great hands, average body control, terrible body positioning, bad adjustment to the ball in the air, and bad separation technique. He's simply not a good receiver right now.

DT11 hasn't been utilized often, but part of that is because he lost his spot to MK12. I'm all for him getting a bigger role, but there isn't a shot in hell that any neutral observer with a fraction of a brain would ever come close to saying that DT11 is even on the same playing field as Percy Harvin at this point in their careers.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

This Carolina game could be ugly. If Peppers gets going we are in trouble. Not sure who else they have on D, but they are probably one of the stronger winless teams. They have far more offensive weapons than Stl,Det, and TB, so we better try to put up some points instead of trying to play "smashmouth Redskins" Run, Run, Pass, Punt football. 3 and outs and we lose bad.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Flound - Where was you this offseason when I was tryin to tell these fools the OLine wouldn't be the problem?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"Flound - Where was you this offseason when I was tryin to tell these fools the OLine wouldn't be the problem?

Posted by: 4thFloor"

I guess you think Portis/Betts/Mason/Aldridge/Cartwright/Sellers is the problem then.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

DT11 is even on the same playing field as Percy Harvin at this point in their careers.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:06 AM |

psp,

Like I said before if Harvin is on the Skins he is doing none of what he is doing in Minn. He would either not be playing or he would not be used correctly. I forgot my favorite or JC wouldn't trust him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell holds on too the ball too long, still stares down receivers, and if his intended receiver is covered he can put the ball where only his receiver can get to it -- that's accuracy folks.

Sometimes the pocket collapses around him too quickly, and that's on the offensive line.

Jim Zorn sucks.


That is all.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

fedorEm

"They (Carolina) have far more offensive weapons than Stl,Det, and TB..."


Yeah, but they also have Jake "The INT Machine" Delhomme running that machine.

Their running game is all they have on offense.

And it's pretty good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

The offensive line has not improved much. I feel like Rinehart will improve with experience, I dont know about Heyer. Credit Zorn for keeping JC in the shotgun a lot and lots of quick passes that everyone complains about. He may not use his receivers properly, but he seems to know what his line can and cant do. That is the only reason why JC hasnt been sacked more. He is still taking the hits though

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 6, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Percy Harvin is a talented young receiver playing on a sound team with a pro-bowl running back, a stout offensive line, future HOF QB, and a terroristic DL, plus a shut down corner.

and I forgot to mention Ben Leber.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter tweets that Ricky Schmitt also is participating in the punting pageant.

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 6, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Flound - Where was you this offseason when I was tryin to tell these fools the OLine wouldn't be the problem?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 11:08 AM |

I had to gett off here for a while some of these people make me want to kill somebody.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Do you want Campbell as your Qb when we're down 6 and we got 1:45 left and the ball at our own 45 yard line? DO you think he takes us in for the game winning score? Has he done it yet in his career? I remember 1 year he had a chance to do it twice and both times he threw INT's. The point is most of the starting QB's in this league have led their team on a game winning drive. He has not, and until he does he is not someone I trust. Watch the good QB's. They feel the pressure and slide and get the ball out. Romo did it to keep their last drive alive VS Denver. Campbell is too nervous.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"Rodgers took an absolute beating but still 4th quarter game on the line he's stepping up in the pocket eyes down field reading the defense getting the ball out quickly and making plays. I was completely impressed with him. He made one bad throw on an out that Winfield had totally read and jumped the route, other than that he played courageously."

I'd put $1000 on it that if Campbell played the way Rodgers did last night, you'd lambaste him for holding the ball too long, causing a safety, fumbling the ball, throwing a pick, then padding his stats in garbage time.

Book it.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

psp, enough with the percy harvin stuff, I never suggested that, never wrote it, those words never came out of my mouth, ok?? We clear on this......?

They're not making good use of these 3 players, heck, they're not making good use of ARE, he was finally in the spot where he works the best vs. NYG, but didn't get ONE BALL vs. TB?? Come on, even you can admit that makes no sense. Whether thats because JC doesn't trust them, or wont go in their direction, or what, you cannot deny that part, heck a large part of this is on JC......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'd put $1000 on it that if Campbell played the way Rodgers did last night, you'd lambaste him for holding the ball too long, causing a safety, fumbling the ball, throwing a pick, then padding his stats in garbage time.

Book it.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

hahahaha, I'm sure some would...

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

That guy Johnny Knox on the Chicago Bears returned a kickoff for a TD.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

If they sign a punter for one week, who are they going to release? DON'T RELEASE AA, HE WILL NOT BE STILL AVAILABLE TO BRING BACK THE FOLLOWING WEEK. I THINK THERE'S AN AGING DE THAT HAS NOT BEEN ACTIVE FOR ALL 3 GAMES

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 6, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

It seems that a lot of folks think it has to be JC OR the OLine. I got news for ya...it's both. They both have some good points and some bad points. JC is in the top 10 in all passing catagories except completion % which he is 12. Yet he locks on to receivers, has a slow release, and has consistency issues at times. The Oline also has consistency issues and is clearly not elite but do give Campbell adequate protection at times and occassionally open a hole.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

psps23 is living in an alternate reality where everything fuzzy tastes like a peach.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

This Carolina game could be ugly. If Peppers gets going we are in trouble. Not sure who else they have on D, but they are probably one of the stronger winless teams. They have far more offensive weapons than Stl,Det, and TB, so we better try to put up some points instead of trying to play "smashmouth Redskins" Run, Run, Pass, Punt football. 3 and outs and we lose bad.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 6, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

My wife is a die-hard Panthers fan, we have duel TVs on Sundays so we can both watch our games. I've seen ever play of every one of there games. There defense is very solid except that they lost their two starting DTs in the preseason. Teams have been gashing them between the tackles so far but they just signed big Hollis Thomas to help there. They have Peppers, Brown (DE out of FSU), Beason, Thomas Davis, a couple of good corners. They are a very good defense if Thomas can shore up their run problems. Their oline has been suspect in pass pro and Delhomme has been miserable in two of their 3 games. That said, they had Philly at home with a healthy McNabb and Atlanta and Dallas on the road with a banged up defense. They win by establishing the run with Williams and Stewart and then play action to Smith. Unfortunately for them, they have gotten behind in their first three and Delhomme just isn't good enough to bring them back. I honestly think though that with our anemic offense they play they way they like to in running the ball and finding Smith on play action and we could be in for a very long day. They are a much better football team, our only hope in my opinion is to blitz the crap out of Delhomme and hope we get some early turnovers from him. If that happens we can win, but if it doesn't we're in big trouble.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I'd put $1000 on it that if Campbell played the way Rodgers did last night, you'd lambaste him for holding the ball too long, causing a safety, fumbling the ball, throwing a pick, then padding his stats in garbage time.

Book it.

Posted by: psps23

This is a very extreme hypothetical because Campbell will NEVER play as well as Rodgers played last night. Book it.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 6, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"It seems that a lot of folks think it has to be JC OR the OLine. I got news for ya...it's both."

word

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

FedorEm your statement isn't factually true. JC has lead comebacks only to see the defense not hold up their end of the bargain. However, the answer to your question, there are several QBs in this league I would rather have the ball in that situation.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Antoine Winfield is no Carlos Rodgers.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Waylon Prather sounds like a country western singer.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

TWISI, it's about being able to tell when the stats can be misleading.

True stats are facts or more like an indication of a trend, but there is a underlining to everything. The stuff that's there but doesn't rise to the surface.

It does with some people, but I think you need to have a really good understanding to recognize it. Not saying that you don't.

A lot of folks run to nfl.com and click on the 'stats' tab as some sort of proof for your argument.

Like I was telling some jerk-off a few days ago: Some of the things that you do in sports can't show up in a box score. Statistics don't always tell the full story or in some cases the true story.

As much as I can stand some of your bastard bamas on here, I'd like to watch the game live with many of you just to see if you really know what the hell is going on. Or are you busy checking up on your FF team. If so, it'll definitely explain why many of you are hung up on football stats.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

This is a very extreme hypothetical because Campbell will NEVER play as well as Rodgers played last night. Book it.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 6, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, my point exactly. If JC ever puts up 380 yards passing and 23 points on the board and we lose, you won't hear a peep from me. I sense that day will never come though.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Side note- Crushed Wilbon this week - got all 14 out of 14 picks. No Prize though :(

Posted by: REXskins | October 6, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Anyone complaining about this defense is in dire need of Prozac.

They're allowing 15.5 points per game. 4th best out of 32 teams.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 6, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I guess you think Portis/Betts/Mason/Aldridge/Cartwright/Sellers is the problem then.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:10 AM

We can upgrade the RB position as a whole.

Seriously.

Betts has been here since the Shottenheimer Administration and Rock has been here since the Spurrier Administration.

We need a shake up cuz that's too long for these RBs....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Somewhere in Howard County, Maryland a pile of cow dung is steaming.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

We make to much about receivers geting open, I see a lot of QB's throw great passes to guys that are covered and the catch is made.

Example the TD pass thrown by Johnson on Sunday against the Skins, Carlos had that guy covered well but he threw it were his guy gets it or know one and the guy made a play.

If a QB is only going to throw to wide open guys then he is going to suck.

This is the NFL not college, players don't get wide open often.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Anyone complaining about this defense is in dire need of Prozac.

They're allowing 15.5 points per game. 4th best out of 32 teams.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 6, 2009 11:23 AM |

Big picture that and you get "allowing 15.5 points per game" against 3 horrible teams and a team that wins with defense.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"They're not making good use of these 3 players, heck, they're not making good use of ARE, he was finally in the spot where he works the best vs. NYG, but didn't get ONE BALL vs. TB?? Come on, even you can admit that makes no sense. Whether thats because JC doesn't trust them, or wont go in their direction, or what, you cannot deny that part, heck a large part of this is on JC......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1"

No, they're not making good use of DT11. That's it. MK12 is not making good use of his opportunities, which he is receiving ample amounts of. That is a fact. He is being targeted often, even forced the ball at times. Again, you must not be watching the games. Fred Davis is, has been, and will be a moronic draft pick regardless of how talented he is. You have a pro-bowl TE starting over him. He's not going to get opportunities. That's not Zorn's nor Campbell's fault. It's simply idiotic to begin with.

ARE being taken away in TB was a product of the defensive strategy. They were playing quarters coverage the entire game, with three underneath in man. ARE, being in the slot, was being matched up in man constantly with deep help consistently over the top. They attempted to take away the slot and the deep routes. The path to success for the offense in that game was in the run game, and in getting the defense to bite on the short passing game on the outside. It worked on the Moss bomb, who got Talib to bite on a double move. ARE wasn't misused. You can't throw the same offense out there every single time against different defenses. Football doesn't work that way.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

In fact, the Redskins D hasn't allowed an opposing offense to break to 20 point barrier this season (7 of the Jints 23 came from Osi's TD return).

The problem is, the Redskins offense hasn't broken the 20 point barrier yet this season either.

If they ever learn to start doing that, this team could win enough games to start thinking about playoffs.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 6, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Like I was telling some jerk-off a few days ago..

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 11:23 AM

--------

Amen, brother.

You tell 'em.

the jerk off apologists, the glass half fullers, the Kool Aid sippers.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"It seems that a lot of folks think it has to be JC OR the OLine. I got news for ya...it's both."

word

Posted by: chrislarry

I'd say that problems that JC have stem MORE from poor O-line play than vice versa. If JC is inaccurate or stares down a WR, that doesn't make our O-line worse. But if our O-line doesn't give him enough time, that's going to give him less time to progress, less WRs to see, jumpier feet, less confidence.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"If JC ever puts up 380 yards passing and 23 points on the board and we lose, you won't hear a peep from me. I sense that day will never come though.

Posted by: zjfr2"

Actually, they didn't put up 23 points. They put up 16 points. 7 came from a fumble return for a TD.

341 and 2 TDs obviously wasn't enough for you. I guess that extra 39 yards would be though. I'll make a mental note of it.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Empty the glass, smash the glass, buy a new glass, fill it with a nutritious beverage.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Joe Namath
Terry Bradshaw
Terry Bradshaw
Terry Bradshaw
Terry Bradshaw
Ken Stabler
Jim Plunkett
Joe Theismann
Jim McMahon
Doug Williams
Jeff Hostetler
Mark Rypien
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Ben Roethlisberger (only sucked in his first superbowl)

========================================

Add Eli, he was a mediocre qb when the gints won. They had a phenomenal defense, the best o-line and the best running game in the league.

Posted by: kingtutts | October 6, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Fred Davis is, has been, and will be a moronic draft pick regardless of how talented he is. You have a pro-bowl TE starting over him. He's not going to get opportunities. That's not Zorn's nor Campbell's fault. It's simply idiotic to begin with.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:27 AM |

He will replace the Yode at the end of the year though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I'd put $1000 on it that if Campbell played the way Rodgers did last night, you'd lambaste him for holding the ball too long, causing a safety, fumbling the ball, throwing a pick, then padding his stats in garbage time.

Book it.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

And btw ps, no QB is perfect, Brees, Manning, Brady, Starr, Favre, Marino, Montanna, none of them ever played a 16 game season without a pick or a fumble. I don't get upset when your qb gets hit blindside and fumbles. I don't put the fumble on the first drive sunday on JC, that was all on the line. But here's the thing, Rogers made some mistakes yes, but he played his tail off as well and made a ton of plays putting 23 points on the board. When's the last time JC put 20 points on the board? JC's standard game is 80% no meaningful production of any kind, and then a brief flash here or there to get us somewhere in the 10 to 17 point range. That just isn't good enough and its been that way forever. We started 6-2 last year cause CP was a beast and was overworked, and he hasn't been healthy since, JC just hasn't and isn't making any type of meaningful difference. And if we had been playing anyone other than the god awful Bucs Sunday we'd have lost....and if they had a kicker we would have lost even to them.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Big picture that and you get "allowing 15.5 points per game" against 3 horrible teams and a team that wins with defense.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:27 AM

Scamp,

The Giants are 5th in the league in points scored 26.8 a game.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

...less confidence.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 11:30 AM

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Jason Campbell breathes with his mouth open.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

You have a pro-bowl TE starting over him. He's not going to get opportunities.

Ever heard of Martellus Bennett, the cowboys drafted him when they had Witten.

Ever heard of Matthias Kiwanuaka(sp), the giants drafted him whem they had OSI, and others.

Ever heard of Rashad Mendenhall, the steelers drafted him when they had Willie Parker

To think that teams don't draft positions because they have someone occupying that spot currently is just misguided...

Its only idiotic because the team doesn't actually use Davis...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

341 and 2 TDs obviously wasn't enough for you. I guess that extra 39 yards would be though. I'll make a mental note of it.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:30 AM |

JC did that against the worst D in the league, Rogers was going against one of the best.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Greg is right. I think it would be a lot easier to get Davis on the field if he wasnt so inept at blocking.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 6, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"Ever heard of Martellus Bennett, the cowboys drafted him when they had Witten."

And he has a total of 4 receptions for 40 yards this year on, guess what?, a 2-2 team.

Next.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

and come off trying to compare what JC did against a terrible Lions team that the freaking Bears hung 48 points on to what Rodgers did against one of the perennially best defenses in the league. Nice try, and what did your boy do against another horrible defense that Trent freaking Edwards just lit up the week before? 170 yards, 2 TDs, 3 INTs. Come off it.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Wow. So this is what it's come to? AND we're auditioning running backs to replace a bona fide RB. Who did a great job w/ the carp he's being offerred.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"Somewhere in Howard County, Maryland a pile of cow dung is steaming."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Probably the least arguable statement up here in a long time.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 6, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Its only idiotic because the team doesn't actually use Davis...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Moreso idiotic because we have huge deficiencies on the line and Cooley/Yoder was fine for 2 more years when we selected Davis. And we could have gotten a better TE later on.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Its only idiotic because the team doesn't actually use Davis...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

It's idiotic because there were a ton of different ways they could have gone with that pick -- O-Line, D-Line, LB, etc. and instead chose Davis, which wasn't as big an area of need.

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Scamp,

The Giants are 5th in the league in points scored 26.8 a game.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 11:32 AM

Ah, my bad. I just remember them having trouble scoring in the red zone too. I wonder how much of that average is defensive scoring? I know they got 6 against us.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Tryon supplants Smoot

Fred Smoot started at least eight games during his first eight seasons, but the 30-year-old cornerback was replaced by second-year man Justin Tryon as the nickel back against the Bucs.

While the swift but small Tryon (5-foot-9, 183 pounds) had four tackles (doubling his career total) and his first sack and hurry, Smoot didn't make the stat sheet.

"[Justin] had a tremendous game," Zorn said. "He played very tight coverage. It gives you confidence to be able to... track guys across the field. He was great when he came across the line of scrimmage to blitz, be a little more deceptive with our packages.

"He was very heads-up on some of the tackles. He put pressure on the quarterback. It was Justin's opportunity, and he did well with it. Fred still has tremendous value as well."

Neither Tryon nor Smoot was available to the media, but Reed Doughty, who just regained the strong safety job he lost to Chris Horton a year ago, said he believes Smoot will be back.

"Fred's not done," Doughty said. "I have no reservations that Fred will be critical for our success. We're going to rotate people all year depending on situations, how people are playing. It kind of proves the depth that we have."


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/06/redskins-smith-might-miss-game-vs-panthers/

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Casey Rabach's quote, from the Tracee Hamilton article today:
"But it is what it is, we are where we are at right now, we're taking wins where we can get wins right now."

I think this is what he means...
'But it is what it is' means "Did you see how much time Favre had to throw last night? If we could just give JC half of that before he has to run for his life"

'We are where we are at right now' means "Our QB needs some swagger, needs to stop thinking/worrying/locking on to one pass catcher on every stinkin' play. And if the damn WR-TE-WR could get open/get on the field/run a stinkin' route properly, then JC would have more than 2 weapons."

'We're taking wins where we can get wins right now' means "Hey, don't forget, we're always only one player away, and on paper, we've got the most talent in the NFL"

Posted by: 4-12 | October 6, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

My girlfriend know nothing about football.

I recently explained to her what it means when the kickoff returner takes a knee in the end zone.

She's a brave one, watching the Redskins games every Sunday with me when she would rather be doing yoga.

Last night, after watching the Vikings debone Aaron Rodgers, she turns to me and says, "I didn't realize they could attack the passer."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

and come off trying to compare what JC did against a terrible Lions team that the freaking Bears hung 48 points on to what Rodgers did against one of the perennially best defenses in the league. Nice try, and what did your boy do against another horrible defense that Trent freaking Edwards just lit up the week before? 170 yards, 2 TDs, 3 INTs. Come off it.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Let's play this game -- it's fun. A bunch of Rodgers yards and one TD came in garbage time when the Vikes were up 30-14. Garbage time stats are always used against JC, so it's definitely credible to use that argument in this case. But nice try.

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

4-12

If you looked at those times, GB was only rushing 3 defenders. Especially in the 2nd half.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

In fact, the Redskins D hasn't allowed an opposing offense to break to 20 point barrier this season (7 of the Jints 23 came from Osi's TD return).

The problem is, the Redskins offense hasn't broken the 20 point barrier yet this season either.

If they ever learn to start doing that, this team could win enough games to start thinking about playoffs.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 6, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

The defense which has 4 out of our last 5 first round draft picks and about a quarter billion dollars of free agent contracts is almost dead last in interceptions, 19th in sacks, and only has 3 fumble recoveries. Even with the Tampa game included we are still letting teams convert almost every other third down. The defense is not getting us turnovers, oppertunities, or good field position. That is a huge problem.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 6, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

mattylight - seems you and I are often on the same page my friend. High five!

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Ah, my bad. I just remember them having trouble scoring in the red zone too. I wonder how much of that average is defensive scoring? I know they got 6 against us.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:37 AM |

They have 2 defensive touchdowns. I guess their defense accounts for 3.5 points per game.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is not even in the same league as Rogers. Rogers has no hesitation and throws darts on the money.

Posted by: skinsflorida | October 6, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"Garbage time stats are always used against JC, so it's definitely credible to use that argument in this case. But nice try.

Posted by: mattylight"

Nah dude. He plays for Green Bay. It was courageous.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

psp, really?? Next?? I mean...I don't get it??

How about mendenhall, how did he do with parker out(rushed for 165 yards)?? How about Kiwi?? How has he done?? Or do those get throw out because they contradict what you want to say?

I don't mean to question your authority as the all knowing all powerful oz over this blog....I'll stop...you tell me what to think and I'll regurgitate it for you.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm not getting into the Campbell debate cause its useless.

All I wanna know is why did it take 1.25 season for us to run play action, we score 2 TDs and never go back to it.

Jim Zorn might be the single dumbest coach on the planet. I've been calling for play action inside the red zone for 3 weeks, and he won't run it. We score 2TDs in the third quarter of this last game, and he won't go back to it.

I wanted us to lose on Sunday so Zorn would be canned. If he can't recognize whats working in the short term, and capitalize on those trends, he will never be able to install a consistent offense, REGARDLESS of how the qb is.

Posted by: kingtutts | October 6, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

4-12

Thanks for that quote to bring us all back on firm ground.

The Redskins are always one player away from this or from that, and therein lies the root of their problem.

They have got it wrong, all wrong.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Let's play this game -- it's fun. A bunch of Rodgers yards and one TD came in garbage time when the Vikes were up 30-14. Garbage time stats are always used against JC, so it's definitely credible to use that argument in this case. But nice try.

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

They are, but even being in garbage time against the Lions versus the Vikings isn't in the same stratosphere of a performance. Being outplayed by a rookie QB in his 3rd game isn't in the same stratosphere as dealing with Adrian Peterson, Brett Favre, and Jarred Allen. Trying to pretend that taking as many sacks in one game as JC has all season not to mention the 20 other times he got hit and still standing in the pocket making plays when the vikings never went to prevent and were still blitzing the whole game is the same as garbage time in a game you've been hit maybe 5 times against one of the worst defense in the league that was rushing only 3 is just silly.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

He will replace the Yode at the end of the year though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

And by all accounts be a less effective blocker. Total waste of a high pick.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Ah, my bad. I just remember them having trouble scoring in the red zone too. I wonder how much of that average is defensive scoring? I know they got 6 against us.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:37 AM |

You do the math because I suck at it.

They have 107 points

8 passing TD's
3 Rushing TD's
10 FG's
11 PAT's

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

A fourth punter has indeed been added to the puntathlon in Ashburn.

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 6, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

O Line is definitely part of the porblem. It's been less apparent than expected, I'll grant you, but they are one small injury away from utter failure.

I do see them improving, however, which is nice. IF (Big If) BMW can get it in gear, we'll be better.

RBs: Betts' receiving was nice against a medicore D. As long as they can set it up w/ some running beforehand, it'll be a great tool.
But before they get a 'change of pace' back, they need to SET a pace to begin with. The mis-direction running was better executed against Tampa. Let's hope that can continue.
Not being on the team, I can't tell you why they weren't trying this stuff earlier, perhaps they were worried about execution (a valid concern). But with the 'medium' talent on this squad, it falls to the coarches to develop sound gameplans that don't leave the team tipping their hand.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Can we move Davis to WR? if he can't block for S*** as a TE maybe he can block better on CBs?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

ryp/matt, great, they needed to draft elsewhere....but they didn't, you're kind of missing the point.

They drafted Davis. We can't go back and undraft him, and pick another guy. What are the options now that he's on the team?

1. Use him

*. Ignore him

Its called playing the hand you've been dealt...yes should they have drafted OL, yup, yup, and yup...but they didn't, so unless you ahve a time machine, we're kind of stuck...right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Matty, Ryp, and Psps, riddle me this given the choice right now would you rather have Rodgers or Campbell?

I take Rodgers faster than I can say Rodgers and if you think there is anybody on the planet, that isn't a kool-aid drinking Redskins fan, that wouldn't laugh hysterically merely at the question than you guys should just stop posting now, your opinions are no longer recognized as viable.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Ah, my bad. I just remember them having trouble scoring in the red zone too. I wonder how much of that average is defensive scoring? I know they got 6 against us.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:37 AM |

You do the math because I suck at it.

They have 107 points

8 passing TD's
3 Rushing TD's
10 FG's
11 PAT's

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 11:46 AM |

Nah, I'll take your word for it. Math makes my head hurt and I have to do too much of it as it is. Giants d averages 3.5 yards per game from what I found earlier. There still pretty good all around. The other teams still suck though. So do we plain and simple.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

They are, but even being in garbage time against the Lions versus the Vikings isn't in the same stratosphere of a performance. Being outplayed by a rookie QB in his 3rd game isn't in the same stratosphere as dealing with Adrian Peterson, Brett Favre, and Jarred Allen. Trying to pretend that taking as many sacks in one game as JC has all season not to mention the 20 other times he got hit and still standing in the pocket making plays when the vikings never went to prevent and were still blitzing the whole game is the same as garbage time in a game you've been hit maybe 5 times against one of the worst defense in the league that was rushing only 3 is just silly.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

This is why this argument is useless. ZJ. You're digging your heels in to the idea that JC sucks no matter what, and that's fine -- you very well may be proven right. I'm more of the opinion that JC is above average, not great, but has WAY too much blame being put on his shoulders for the shortcomings of a team I think has multiple problems from the owner all the way down to the waterboy. Agree to disagree, I guess..

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Exactly Chia. On the eternal "one player away" thingy...it's true.

They're one player away at:

QB
RB #2
WR #2
WR #3
TE #2
C
RG
RT
DE #2
DT #2

Posted by: 4-12 | October 6, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Maske (Who, btw, is a respected NFL Reporter) is on the Tony K show was asked by Tony what people were saying about the Redskins around the league.

And he said people, including himself, are saying, 'How do you NOT make a QB change during halftime of that game? That was the most ideal time to see if it really is the QB that's the issue.'

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Maske is an idiot. Tony K is an idiot, and Wilbon aka "knuckleheads" is an idiot. JC and the team righted the ship and we won. The glass is half full, and we are still trying to run it over! I heard some idiot on tv (cannot remember which one) say that Carlos Rogers had positioned himself on that dropped pick 6. BS, Carlos Rogers was gonna give up a completion had that ball not been thrown behind the reciever. With all the picks he drops, I never hear about any coaches trying to improve his hand/eye coordination, or if nothing else make him catch balls with the recievers to see what it even feels like. It is ridiculous, and that pick 6 would have made the game less painful. btw, all NFL teams are professional, meaning that on any given sunday, you can be beat! I just love the energy of the young TB head coach, just imagine if he had more to work with. TB cleaned house of all scrubs this past off season, and some are laughing now, but I like the direction and committment they are making for the future. Their cornerbacks are tight! They have mad cap space to sign free agents when available.

I still believe that we have some of the worst scouts in the NFL. Year after year they disappoint me with the talent they find via free agency. The backups on the other teams are hungry and will knock your head off if given the chance, while it seems our guys barely have a pulse (unless it is celebrating after a routine play, with 14 minutes left to play). Our O line is simply horrendous depth/talent wise. Wake up Vinny! HAIL SKINS!

Posted by: jenksredskins | October 6, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Bring back Derrick Brooks?

Are you related to him?

That dude was terrrrrrrible!!!!

Posted by: Rocky420 | October 6, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"psp, really?? Next?? I mean...I don't get it??

How about mendenhall, how did he do with parker out(rushed for 165 yards)?? How about Kiwi?? How has he done?? Or do those get throw out because they contradict what you want to say?

I don't mean to question your authority as the all knowing all powerful oz over this blog....I'll stop...you tell me what to think and I'll regurgitate it for you."


I thought it was obvious, but I'll spell it out.

Just because Dallas did something similar doesn't make it smart. Martellus Bennett currently has 4 receptions for 40 yards. Dallas is also struggling. Their selection of a TE is just as moronic as ours. Hence "next."

RBs and DEs get put into rotations. TEs do not. Nor should they, especially when you have a stellar one already on the roster. Cooley does not become significantly more effective by taking breaks on the sideline. Davis does not get significant reps, and he will not get significant reps as long as he and Cooley are on the roster together. Comparing those positions are apples and oranges. A better comparison would be if, say, the 49ers used a second round draft pick on a back-up MLB to Patrick Willis -- a young pro-bowl level talent that doesn't take nor need breaks from the game. It's a waste, plain and simple.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Straight laughable how people are giving a push or nod for Campbell when comparing him to Aaron Rodgers.

Aaron Rodgers is eons ahead of Jason Campbell. The "who is better" debate between the two of them isn't a debate at all.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Matty, Ryp, and Psps, riddle me this given the choice right now would you rather have Rodgers or Campbell?

I take Rodgers faster than I can say Rodgers and if you think there is anybody on the planet, that isn't a kool-aid drinking Redskins fan, that wouldn't laugh hysterically merely at the question than you guys should just stop posting now, your opinions are no longer recognized as viable.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:50 AM |

Heck, I try to drink the koolaid as much as possible and I would still take Rogers in a gnats heart beat.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

You're digging your heels in to the idea that JC sucks no matter what, and that's fine -- you very well may be proven right.
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Oh, it's been proven already. He's 5 years in the league. That train has left the station.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 6, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Rodgers also has the benefit of throwing to Driver and Jennings.

Just sayin.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 6, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, 4-12

and I'd like to thank the Vikings and the Packers for an entertaining night of Football.

Now THAT is what we like to see, us fans, the horrible ones.

Jason Campbell be gone and until then keep your mouth from emitting silly words strung together to make silly sentences like the one after the win against Tampa Bay about how we need to appreciate a win, no matter how ugly it is.

Now shooo.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Bring back Durrant Brooks?

Are you his agent or related to him?

That dude was terrrrible!!!

Posted by: Rocky420 | October 6, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah. I fogot:

PR
KR
Head Coach
GM
Owner

Posted by: 4-12 | October 6, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

He will replace the Yode at the end of the year though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

And by all accounts be a less effective blocker. Total waste of a high pick.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 11:46 AM |

True, but Yoder hasn't looked good at all blocking this year so I call it a wash either way.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

They are, but even being in garbage time against the Lions versus the Vikings isn't in the same stratosphere of a performance. Being outplayed by a rookie QB in his 3rd game isn't in the same stratosphere as dealing with Adrian Peterson, Brett Favre, and Jarred Allen. Trying to pretend that taking as many sacks in one game as JC has all season not to mention the 20 other times he got hit and still standing in the pocket making plays when the vikings never went to prevent and were still blitzing the whole game is the same as garbage time in a game you've been hit maybe 5 times against one of the worst defense in the league that was rushing only 3 is just silly.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

This is why this argument is useless. ZJ. You're digging your heels in to the idea that JC sucks no matter what, and that's fine -- you very well may be proven right. I'm more of the opinion that JC is above average, not great, but has WAY too much blame being put on his shoulders for the shortcomings of a team I think has multiple problems from the owner all the way down to the waterboy. Agree to disagree, I guess..

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Talk about digging in your heels.....4 years of evidence isn't enough for you? That fact that your arguing about a forgettable performance against the Lions versus a memorable effort against the Vikings isn't enough? I agree that logic and evidence to the contrary don't factor in against your kool-aid drinking view of JC, but I refuse to simply agree to disagree, that makes it appear to be a legitimate question.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

take Rodgers faster than I can say Rodgers and if you think there is anybody on the planet, that isn't a kool-aid drinking Redskins fan, that wouldn't laugh hysterically merely at the question than you guys should just stop posting now, your opinions are no longer recognized as viable.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Nice one dude. I'm not into fantasy football who would you rather have arguments. I've been arguing all day that JC isn't the only problem on this team. Riddle me this: do you think that if we just have another QB, like Rodgers, we are a legit contender -- a Super Bowl caliber team? Cause if you do you should stop posting now, your opinion is no longer viable on this blog.

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Ha! You guys are funny. Do you honestly think Campbell will make it through the season as the starting quarterback? He will either get benched by Zorn's replacement, who will be doing anything to get a "spark" from his team, or Campbell will just get flat out destroyed by a defensive lineman blowing by Heyer. Either way, Campbell won't make it through sixteen games. Why does it matter? The team isn't going to the playoffs this year and Campbell won't be here next year. He's like a dead man walking: invisible.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Statistics don't tell the whole story, but sometimes they can help you get a foothold. Check out, for instance, this list of the lowest-scoring teams in the NFL over the last 15 games (or, to put it another way, since the Redskins came back from Philadelphia last season and began having trouble locating the end zone):

The Rams are averaging a league-low 12.9 points a game, followed by the Browns (13.3), Redskins (14.1), Bengals (14.3) and Raiders (14.9).

Now here's another list - of the clubs that have scored 20 or more points the fewest times in that span: the Redskins and Rams (three times each), Bengals and Raiders (five) and Browns and Seahawks (six).

And those three 20-point explosions by the Redskins, by the way, have come against the Lions (0-6 at the time), the Seahawks (2-8) and the 49ers (6-9).

There's no getting around it. The Redskins have one of the most horrid offenses in the league. And they can't even fall back on the excuse, like all these other teams, that they've been going through significant personnel and/or coaching changes. They've had the same quarterback for all 15 games (Jason Campbell), the same offensive core (Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, Chris Cooley) and the same play caller (Jim Zorn). Yet they continue to evoke memories of Martyball 2001.

When you go through a three-week stretch against the Rams, Lions and Bucs, the absolute pits of pro football, and put up only 39 points, well, it kinda hurts the argument that the Redskins' scoring issues are "somewhat misleading" because they play in "the toughest division in the NFL."

Not that anybody should be surprised by this. Back in training camp, a guy I know said, "Make no mistake: This is a club that's built around its defense. ... The Redskins are probably looking at a bunch of grind-it-out, 20-17/17-14 games this season."

Wait a minute. I said that.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/06/dan-daly-job-looks-like-mission-impossible/

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

psp, you might have a point...how many td's did bennett have last year, and how many did witten??

I'm curious to know....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The O-Line has played very good, JC needs to do more. He locks in on one receiver and if it's not there he panicks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 10:50 AM

This is utter nonsense. ...

Posted by: RomoShortball | October 6, 2009 10:57 AM |

Channeling the Drain Man?

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If you draft a great line it will make Colt all-pro if you get rid of Campbell.

Posted by: periculum | October 5, 2009 7:44 PM |

Utter nonsense.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 5, 2009 7:48 PM |

Posted by: GasFace | October 6, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I'd take Rodgers over Campbell.

But it doesn't change the fact that nearly the exact same situation occurred between the two of them, and one of them got the evaluation of "courageous", while the other one got the evaluation of "meaningless garbage time production" (paraphrasing).

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Talk about digging in your heels.....4 years of evidence isn't enough for you? That fact that your arguing about a forgettable performance against the Lions versus a memorable effort against the Vikings isn't enough? I agree that logic and evidence to the contrary don't factor in against your kool-aid drinking view of JC, but I refuse to simply agree to disagree, that makes it appear to be a legitimate question.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Actually read the post, ZJ. I am not arguing a forgettable performance against the Lions. I'm arguing that he isn't the only problem, that JC isn't the difference between us being 4-0 or 2-2 or whatever. This team has other real problems. That's my point. Take of it what you will, though.

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan
Colt Brennan
Colt Brennan

hahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Favre gets a few mystery calls, interference on Woodsen, OK, that was total BS, holding on Harvin on the first play from scrimmage.

Whoever wants to stroke Favre or the Vikings or Rodgers or the Packers can go ahead.

That was a horribly oficiated one sided game, big surprise Favre gets the calls.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Kingtutts - I've been screaming that for weeks... at least against TB, we threw deep. Now we just have to incorporate screen passes to a RB, and a bootleg. I think a red zone bootleg would be killer.

Bean - Yes he should be used, but it doesnt look like hes very good out there. Hes very slow. But they need to find ways to use him.

ZJFR2 - probably Rogers, in a vacuum. But I think you could do a lot worse than JC, and I think the chips are stacked against him here to make it that much more difficult for him to succeed.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell rode the short bus.

He's simply not smart enough to be a NFL QB, regardless of how strong an arm he has, or the stupid things he says.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, we've got a few geniuses on this blog claiming our three youngsters with a total of 50 games under their belt are as good as a rookie who has, in his first 4 games, outproduced the three of them for their entire careers....combined
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Understand your point; I'm frustrated with the lack of production there, too. Still, who is throwing Harvin the ball?

Brett Favre, a hall of famer.

Our guy has never distributed the ball very well, honestly.

I think (unfortunately) our problem is more than the new WR's, or the QB, or the O-line...it's all three playing at best average ball.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 6, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Nice one dude. I'm not into fantasy football who would you rather have arguments. I've been arguing all day that JC isn't the only problem on this team. Riddle me this: do you think that if we just have another QB, like Rodgers, we are a legit contender -- a Super Bowl caliber team? Cause if you do you should stop posting now, your opinion is no longer viable on this blog.

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I guess you haven't been reading all day then go reread this post:

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I happen to believe Big Ben, Peyton, Brady, and Breez would make us SB contenders. Other than those four no QB in the world makes this team a SB contender. However, I also listed several other QBs that instantly make this a legitimate offense and a playoff contender. JC is not the only problem, I have never ever pretended differently, but he is A problem at the most important position on the field. A good QB is worth a lot more than a good anything else on a football team, do we need other things, absolutely, but we need a good QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree with psps about Fred Davis being a wasted draft pick. I don't see how that's debatable.

If they wanted to draft a TE to either use in a two-TE set or a run-blocking TE, cool, I get that. But my thing is, why use your SECOND pick to do this? Couldn't they have waited, or chose not to draft one at all but instead sign one in FA?

But at the same time, what's done is done. There isn't a need to go back and harp on how it was a wasted pick, in that aspect I agree with Bean.

They have him, now figure out a way to use him. I have yet to see them in a two TE set yet this season.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

He isn't very athletic either. The dude can't even slide.

You'd think after all those years of playing amateur and pro QB, he'd have learned that by now. Did he never play baseball? Even in pick-up games as a kid?

If he and/or Zorn don't want to slide in practice, you'd think the guy would at least practice sliding in his backyard at night. If only for his own self-esteem.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 6, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Bean,

I know we have him and can't change the pick -- but the fact that he can't even make it on the field should say something about his ability. That or you're saying the coaches are idiots. That might be true, but I have to believe that they know about football then the "knowledge" I have gained watching it on TV and reading about it, listening to so-called experts, etc.

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I'd take Rodgers over Campbell.

But it doesn't change the fact that nearly the exact same situation occurred between the two of them, and one of them got the evaluation of "courageous", while the other one got the evaluation of "meaningless garbage time production" (paraphrasing).

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The lions and the vikings don't resemble nearly even close to same situation, the fact you can even say that is redunkulous.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

How about let's talk about how the Defense is using it's young players and the Offense REFUSES to use their young players.

Key contributers to the Defense who stepped up against the Bucs:

Tryon, Moore, and JArmon

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

That or you're saying the coaches are idiots.

yeah, pretty much...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell rode the short bus.

He's simply not smart enough to be a NFL QB, regardless of how strong an arm he has, or the stupid things he says.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse
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Chia Pet...he's not "smart"??? Are you...RACIST?!

Ok, I kid. Seriously, we have a bad combination of an O-line that doesn't provide much time and a QB that doesn't get through his progressions fast enough, with the bonus of the 2-4 wideouts not getting seperation..compounded by said QB not throwing the ball before the WR's make their breaks....oh, you get the picture.

We have O issues, period.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 6, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

most of you commenters recognized that we needed an O-lineman or 2 or 3.

You all recognize that we didn't get any, since Dockery only replaced Kendall.

So why are there sooooo many complaints about Campbell and Zorn and Portis.

Without an improved O-line the offense wasn't going to improve drastically, right?

So how about quitting your friggin crying and complaining like a bunch of overgrown babies and be football fans. Even better, be Redskins fans.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I happen to believe Big Ben, Peyton, Brady, and Breez would make us SB contenders. Other than those four no QB in the world makes this team a SB contender. However, I also listed several other QBs that instantly make this a legitimate offense and a playoff contender. JC is not the only problem, I have never ever pretended differently, but he is A problem at the most important position on the field. A good QB is worth a lot more than a good anything else on a football team, do we need other things, absolutely, but we need a good QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Cool -- now I think I see where you are coming from. My thing is, I just feel like there are too many things at work from an organizational standpoint that will prove too hard for us to be a winning team. Also, I don't think we have a Super-bowl caliber offensive line, and I question our defensive strategy at times. So I would disagree that those guys make us a Super Bowl team. Do they get us into the playoffs? Sure, I think so. Never would argue that. I just think we're extremely flawed, and that JC gets more blame than he deserves.

Posted by: mattylight | October 6, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Q: Doughty started and made nine tackles. What were the other changes Blache made?

A: We saw a changing of the guard at No. 3 cornerback. Tryon is in, and veteran Fred Smoot is out. And Moore and Jarmon played more than usual.

Veteran defensive players who leave the Redskins rave about the quality of coaching they received, and it's clear the coaches' trust in young players has grown and they're willing to put them on the field in pressure situations. It's the complete opposite on offense, where Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas and Fred Davis continue to be bystanders.

From the times, pretty telling, might be time to fire the WR/TE coach....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

RICKY SCHMITT! he's basically led the NFL in preseason punting every team he's been with, but has been cut in favor of the incumbent every time. He's great to have on the roster, because he can place kick, and kick off with the best of them as well. He did all three in college very well. It's ideal to have multi-position talented players such as him on your NFL team. What if Suisham goes down mid-game? I vote for Ricky. (I'm not related to him but I did go to Shepherd haha)

Posted by: destewar | October 6, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

beeps, schmeeps

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

How about let's talk about how the Defense is using it's young players and the Offense REFUSES to use their young players.

Key contributers to the Defense who stepped up against the Bucs:

Tryon, Moore, and JArmon

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 12:06 PM |

Yeah I don't get it either. Particularly sense we've been needing another option in the passing game for years. Zorn needs to dial up plays to get the three 2nd rounders an opportunity to get involved early and often.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 6, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"The lions and the vikings don't resemble nearly even close to same situation, the fact you can even say that is redunkulous.

Posted by: zjfr2"

Right, but when Campbell finished the Giants game with 75% completion, 8.1 YPA, a 93+ QB rating, the team's only offensive TD, the only method of moving the ball down the field, and an equally as productive day as Eli Manning as the QB, I'm sure you were giving him even slightly modest praise.

But that's because the Giants' defense is just as bad as the Lions'. Right.

Please. Just admit it. You don't like Campbell, and anything less than near perfection will have you saying he sucks. It's fine. Nobody will think less of you for it.

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh lawd, here comes the daily "act like a real fan" s***...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 6, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

most of you commenters recognized that we needed an O-lineman or 2 or 3.

You all recognize that we didn't get any, since Dockery only replaced Kendall.

So why are there sooooo many complaints about Campbell and Zorn and Portis.

Without an improved O-line the offense wasn't going to improve drastically, right?

So how about quitting your friggin crying and complaining like a bunch of overgrown babies and be football fans. Even better, be Redskins fans.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse
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Pabrian,

I've gotten on folks who booed the team after a win, but there isn't anything wrong with acknowledging what this team doesn't do well...and right now, that is plenty of things.

It is only 4 games in, so much can change -but I would have hoped that Campbell supposed improvement would give the offense more punch than it has (well, it is basically punch-LESS).

I'm all for JC staying the starter and seeing if he can turn things around...but this deal where you feel he needs ALL the parts around him to excel for him to be a good QB doesn't work for me. More than any other position, the QB should be improving the play of the team around him.

In other words, if we have to have everything strong just so he won't be weak, then maybe he is part of the problem.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 6, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Rush Limbaugh buying the Rams? What a great story, I'm sure that he could blame all the Rams problems on Liberals.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 6, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

So Hunter Smith will be active just to hold on kicks?

Great so there's no way Marko makes it on the field again. Who here thinks he would have mistimed his jump on the sideline route like Malcom Kelly did on JC's 2nd pick?

I'm starting to get over Kelly really quickly. The guy even holds on running plays. Free DT & Marko!!

Posted by: elfreako | October 6, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we can trade Campbell to the Raiders for Jim Lachey?

Posted by: Original_etrod

IF ONLY!! After watching Heyer Sunday, I'd take 46 y/o Jim Lachey. Where do you go to get roller skates big enough for Stephon's feet anyway?

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 6, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

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