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Redskins have 18-player free-agent class

You might have noticed that Pro Football Talk this week is listing each team's free agents. Seems like a smart idea to us, so without further ado...

When the NFL's free-agency period begins March 5, a total of 18 Redskins players will be free to entertain offers from other teams. Of that 18, five are offensive linemen.

The group is classified in two ways, and it gets kind of hairy because of the labor uncertainty. Of the Redskins' 18 total free agents, 10 are considered to be restricted free agents. (This figure assumes that the union and the owners will not hammer out a new collecive bargaining agreement in the next couple of weeks and that the 2010 season is played without a salary cap.)

So the Redskins could keep any of these 10 players by simply matching any offer. The team's restricted free agents are: defensive tackle Lorenzo Alexander, quarterback Jason Campbell, safety Reed Doughty, defensive tackle Kedric Golston, offensive tackle Stephon Heyer, linebacker Rocky McIntosh, defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery, guard Will Montgomery, cornerback Carlos Rogers and linebacker Chris Wilson.

The team's eight unrestricted free agents can take any offer they receive and are not beholden to the Redskins. This group includes: long snapper Ethan Albright, defensive end Phillip Daniels, offensive tackle Levi Jones, center Casey Rabach, punter Hunter Smith, offensive lineman Mike Williams, defensive end Renaldo Wynn and tight end Todd Yoder.

As free agency gets a bit closer, we'll discuss some other teams' free agents and try to offer some informed speculation on the Redskins' free-agency targets.

By Rick Maese  |  February 16, 2010; 3:20 PM ET
 
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Comments

I commend J Reid for his brutal honesty. "PFT is doing it, so why not us?"

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 16, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"Free" agents ... freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.

Posted by: dcsween | February 16, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

not a lot of quality to pick from there - maybe Hunter and McIntosh

Posted by: coparker5 | February 16, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Only one’s that would bother me, were they to sign elsewhere are Levi Jones, Rocky, and Hunter the Punter…..the rest are pretty replaceable IMHO.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 16, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I commend J Reid for his brutal honesty. "PFT is doing it, so why not us?"

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 16, 2010 4:00 PM

The commendation would work but for the fact that it was posted by Rick Maese rather than J Reid.

Posted by: dcsween | February 16, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I commend J Reid for his brutal honesty. "PFT is doing it, so why not us?"

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 16, 2010 4:00 PM

The commendation would work but for the fact that it was posted by Rick Maese rather than J Reid.

Posted by: dcsween | February 16, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I commend Rick Maese for his brutal honesty. "PFT is doing it, so why not us?"

Better sween? Sheesh.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 16, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

This was posted last Friday on Redskins.com, except it has a lot more information about the players:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/For_Now__Free_Agency_Offers_Only_Uncertainty_105046.jsp

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

LETS GO CAPS!

Posted by: Mike4169 | February 16, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Better sween? Sheesh.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 16, 2010 4:10 PM

Yes, and I'm thinking Rick Maese appreciates it too.

So what did I miss up here? My computer was covered with snow last week. Snowverloaded.

Posted by: dcsween | February 16, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

LETS GO CAPS!

Posted by: Mike4169


Did you mean the team? OR SHOULD EVERYONE NOWO TYPE IN CAPITAL LETTERS?

Posted by: skinball77 | February 16, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

What I would do with each:
RFA
DT Lorenzo Alexander, Tender at the lower end of the RFA, I would love to keep him but if we can get someone into a bidding war than things could become interesting, this is my sleeper rfa for the skins.
QB Jason Campbell, highest RFA tender, I know a lot of people don't like him but we need to keep him for 1 more year. No matter what your long term plan, he is our best option, and if someone else want's him, I want a 1st and 2nd draft pick for him.
SS Reed Doughty, Reasonably RFA him or try and trade him, if you can't then you keep him. I like Doughty but we have 3 SS and no FS, we may as well try and move the guy who's on this list.
DT Kedric Golston, Keep
OT Stephon Heyer, Cut outright
OLB Rocky McIntosh, Keep
DT Anthony Montgomery, Low RFA Tender
G Will Montgomery, Low RFA Tender
CB Carlos Rogers, High RFA tender, not a eliet QB but we have a lot of holes to fill on the roster and I would rather we get something for Rogers or keep him for a year rather than lose him for nothing.
LB Chris Wilson, probably cut, not really sure how valuable he is.

UFA's
Ethan Albright, keep
DE Phillip Daniels, leaning cut, we have a replacement in Jarmon
OT Levi Jones, keep
C Casey Rabach, keep
P Hunter Smith, keep
OL Mike Williams, cut
DE Renaldo Wynn, cut
TE Todd Yoder, leaning cut

Posted by: alex35332 | February 16, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

QB Jason Campbell, highest RFA tender, I know a lot of people don't like him but we need to keep him for 1 more year. No matter what your long term plan, he is our best option, and if someone else want's him, I want a 1st and 2nd draft pick for him.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 16, 2010 4:46 PM

Alex, If we tender him at the lowest level "original pick compensation -- $1.2M" and someone else gets him, they have to give us the original pick -- first round. That's where Campbell and Rogers will both be tendered and then the 'Skins will negotiate a trade for 3rd or 4th round picks.

If we tender them at the highest level, they'd earn $3M+ and would sign the tender as soon as we handed it to them.

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Re-sign J Campbell, K Golston, A Montgomery, C Wilson, R McIntosh, R Doughty, and L Jones.

The rest of that list can go out and discover the joys of the free market.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 16, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

4th, I'm guessing you're heads-down in a mountain of tax paperwork and laser-focused on that looming deadline in April, not the days between now and then.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 16, 2010 1:08 PM |

As opposed to the more likely explanation that the dud has shti for brains.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 16, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

USA 3 Swiss 1 Final

Later today Canada vs Norway

Featured Sharks: Joe Thorton, Partrick Marleau, Danny Heatley and Dan Boyle

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 16, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

who to keep and cut is dependent on who we draft and if we will make that 3-4 switch.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | February 16, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

who to keep and cut is dependent on who we draft and if we will make that 3-4 switch.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | February 16, 2010 5:11 PM |

FA's starts way before the draft you have to decide on them very quickly.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 16, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Re-sign J Campbell, K Golston, A Montgomery, C Wilson, R McIntosh, R Doughty, and L Jones.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 16, 2010 4:58 PM |

Genius observation from a dud that "spits the truth" (prob like The Jaw). The only way they wouldn't resign some of these such as Camp is if a shti-for-brains GM tenders an offer and promptly loses a 1st and 3rd round draft pick.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 16, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

who to keep and cut is dependent on who we draft...

Posted by: pabrian2003 | February 16, 2010 5:11 PM

Isn't it the reverse? Free agency comes (and goes) before the draft. So who we draft should depend on who we keep/get in free agency.

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

USA 3 Swiss 1 Final

Later today Canada vs Norway

Featured Sharks: Joe Thorton, Partrick Marleau, Danny Heatley and Dan Boyle

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 16, 2010 5:08 PM |

Why are you updating us on hockey for Chrissake? We get our fill of ice by just stepping outside and nobody gives a shti about Shark dudes.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 16, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

As opposed to the more likely explanation that the dud has shti for brains.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 16, 2010 5:07 PM

You must be the dude MHartz1 met in Austria...Great to meet ya.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 16, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

You must be the dude MHartz1 met in Austria...Great to meet ya.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 16, 2010 5:22 PM |

WTF? Means nothing to me. To which I can only reply that you must be from the Empire State building. The weight of the upper floors has turned what brains you did have into mush.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 16, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Alex, If we tender him at the lowest level "original pick compensation -- $1.2M" and someone else gets him, they have to give us the original pick -- first round. That's where Campbell and Rogers will both be tendered and then the 'Skins will negotiate a trade for 3rd or 4th round picks.

If we tender them at the highest level, they'd earn $3M+ and would sign the tender as soon as we handed it to them.

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

3 million in the NFL is not unreasonable for a guy who started most of the season over the last 2 years, I could see both of them holding of on signing, especially Rogers who seems unhappy in DC, not a lock to me that he would sign.

I happen to know 4th is as smart as if not smarter than I am. 4th can take that however he likes.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 16, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Just spitballin' but what do you think about this?

CUT
-ARE
-Ladell Betts
-Rock Cartwright
-Clinton Portis
-Randy Thomas
-Renaldo Wynn
-Fred Smoot
-Todd Collins

DO NOT RE-SIGN
-Mike Williams
-Casey Rabach
-Stephon Heyer

RE-SIGN
-Levi Jones (as RT)
-Jason Campbell
-Carlos Rogers
-Philip Daniels
-Kendrick Golston
-Anthony Montgomery

TRADE FOR DRAFT PICKS
-Moss
-Carter

SIGN
-Chester Taylor (productive back with low mileage)
-Casey Hampton (this would free AH for an end position in the 3-4)
-Karlos Dansby
-Chris Kuper (Zone blocking center who played for Shanny)
-Rex Grossman (experience in Shanny offense)
-Domenik Hixon (he was drafted by Shanny)


Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 16, 2010 1:43 PM

CUT
I agree with all the cuts but add Samuels as a injury settlement/retire.

DO NOT RESIGN
BMW- AGREE
Rabach-AGREE

RE-SIGN
I would tender Heyer as a cost effective backup.
SIGN- Levi as a backup but he will probably be our opening day RT.

TENDER NOT RESIGN
Jason Campbell
Carlos Rogers
Kendrick Golston
Anthony Montgomery
Rocky Macintosh

SIGN
-Chester Taylor- YES
-Casey Hampton -GOING TO BE FRANCISED BY PITT, SO WILL WILFORK BY PATS
-Karlos Dansby- YES
-Chris Kuper-RFA-NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
-Rex Grossman (experience in Shanny offense)- YES IN CAMP COMPETITION FOR JC
-Domenik Hixon (he was drafted by Shanny)-RFA-NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, UNLESS NOT TENDERED

ADDITONAL TARGETS
-SIGN KEVIN WALTER (UFA Texans) if you must have another WR- I think we need a 5th WR to be KR/PR
-UFA OG CHESTER PITTS
-UFA NT RYAN PICKETT OR NT JUSTIN BANNON
-UFA OT TONY PASHOS
-UFA ILB GARY BRACKETT OR ILB LARRY FOOTE

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

No Yoder on that list RedskinHead.
Why doesn't anyone want to keep the Yode. All he does os catch TD passes and block better than any other TE on the team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2010 6:34 PM

Good call. I forgot about Yoder, I would resign Yoder.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

USA 3 Swiss 1 Final

Later today Canada vs Norway

Featured Sharks: Joe Thorton, Partrick Marleau, Danny Heatley and Dan Boyle

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 16, 2010 5:08 PM |

Why are you updating us on hockey for Chrissake? We get our fill of ice by just stepping outside and nobody gives a shti about Shark dudes.

Posted by: ElDrano

Because I want to. As ticket holder to 10 Shark games a year, its good to see my team lighting it up. Did I mention Marleau, Heatley and Thorton will be on the same line? That's the NHL's #3 and #6 goal scorers on the same line with the #1 assist guy, plus the league's 4th highest scoring defenseman. From my Sharks.

When Russia plays later tonight, you can watch the Sharks' starting goalie, Evgeni Nabakov. He leads all starting goaltenders in the NHL in winning %.

When Germany plays tomorrow, you can watch Nabakov's backup, Thomas Griess play against Sweden and Sharks' defenseman, Douglas Murray.

:)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 16, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Keep

Lorenzo Alexander
Jason Campbell
Reed Doughty
Kedric Golston
Stephon Heyer
Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Casey Rabach
Mike Williams (at least thru training camp)
Todd Yoder

Maybe
Anthony Montgomery
Will Montgomery
Ethan Albright
Chris Wilson (keep if we do a 3-4 switch)
Hunter Smith (was just a 1 year deal?)

Gone
Renaldo Wynn
Levi Jones
Phillip Daniels

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 16, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins shouldn't tender JC17 for anything more a box of used condoms. Oh let's just cut to the chasem and get rid of the loser.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 16, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

TENDER NOT RESIGN
Jason Campbell

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 6:10 PM |

Enlighten me on this post since I am not as knowledgeable as U on the intricacies of RFA. When RFA begins the Skins, under the rules of RFA, will make a qualifying offer to Camp. If they didn't then he would become a UFA and the Skins would end up with nothing. So after the QO is made there will be an open period when other teams have a chance to make Camp an offer, but it is highly unlikely that any team would since they would lose at least a 1st round draft pick since the Skins would not match the offer. So the open period comes and goes and Camp's QO converts to a contract with the Skins. That having happened, with Camp "back in the fold" so to speak, the Skins will prob seek out a trade for him since he isn't in their future plans. It is not clear what they could get in a trade but if offered say a 3rd round draft pick they would probably agree to the trade. Draft picks in the upcoming draft are more valuable than normal since there is an unusually deep incoming class that is trying to beat a potential CBA cap on rookie salaries.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 16, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins shouldn't tender JC17 for anything more a box of used condoms. Oh let's just cut to the chasem and get rid of the loser.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 16, 2010 7:26 PM |

This from Wiki:

"In the National Football League, a restricted free agent (RFA) is one with three accrued seasons of service, who has received a "qualifying" offer (a salary level predetermined by the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the league and its players) from his current club."

I don't think that the CBA would predetermine a salary level of a box of used condoms.

Posted by: ElDrano | February 16, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Re: Olympic hockey, I'm rooting for Team USA first, and the Caps second.

But my thoughts today are with the USA men's curling team, which lost the opener to Germany.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 16, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Re: Olympic hockey, I'm rooting for Team USA first, and the Caps second.

But my thoughts today are with the USA men's curling team, which lost the opener to Germany.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 16, 2010 7:38 PM |

BTW, curling is for skirt-wearing sissies. As for hockey, your post is rather vague. Does it mean that you will be rooting for Russia since their team includes several Caps, most notably the superstar Ovi? If so, what's next? Walking into a Dallas bar and shouting HTTR?

Posted by: ElDrano | February 16, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

If so, what's next? Walking into a Dallas bar and shouting HTTR?

Posted by: ElDrano | February 16, 2010 7:53 PM |

I prefer walking into little people conventions and yelling, "Holy Sh!t look at all the midgets!"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Offer ALL these guys to the league. Get picks. Start over with 53 rookies. Yee-Haw good buddy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 16, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

3 million in the NFL is not unreasonable for a guy who started most of the season over the last 2 years, I could see both of them holding of on signing, especially Rogers who seems unhappy in DC, not a lock to me that he would sign.

I happen to know 4th is as smart as if not smarter than I am.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 16, 2010 5:38 PM

Alex, Why would you pay Campbell or Rodgers $3 million if you can get them for $1 million? You don't get anything more for tendering them at $3 million than you get for tendering them at $1 million. I know, 4th wouldn't pay them more than he had to.

So what if they don't sign? Who will they play for?

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Lot to focus on over the off-season.

Additionally, I'd be interested in seeing a WP article on the ex-Redskin head-coaches. As we know all too well, they come and they go. But what becomes of them?

Posted by: Josh7 | February 16, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ElDrano | February 16, 2010 7:32 PM

You pretty much nailed it.

An uncapped year will blow up free agency because more than 200 players with 4-to-5 years of experience who would be unrestricted under a capped system become restricted and unlikely to change teams because of the high compensation involved.

This is from 2007 so the salaries would be slightly higher.

1st level $2.562 million First- and third-round
2nd level $2.017 million First-round
3rd level $1.417 million Second-round
4th level $927,000 Determined by RFA's original draft status

Capped season: Players are UFA after 4 years of service.

Uncapped season: Players need 6 years of service to be UFA.

Campbell, Rocky, Carlos, Alexander, Heyer, Doughty, Golston, Monty, & Will Montgomery, & Wilson are all RFA.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Alex, Why would you pay Campbell or Rodgers $3 million if you can get them for $1 million? You don't get anything more for tendering them at $3 million than you get for tendering them at $1 million. I know, 4th wouldn't pay them more than he had to.

So what if they don't sign? Who will they play for?

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 8:17 PM

I think the level of the tender that makes the most sense for Campbell and Rodgers is the 1st round compensation level ($2.017 million First-round). That way the Skins can negotiate starting from a position of strength. The1st level (1st &3rd), wouldn't solicit any offers. No one is giving up two picks. The 3rd and 4th level, the Skins will in all likelihood be capping the trade value at the second round level if another team wants these players.

Posted by: TWISI | February 16, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

2010 Restricted free agent tags
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal

Four years of experience

Original pick compensation: $1.176 million
Second round tender: $1.759 million
First round tender: $2.521 million
First and third tender: $3.168 million

Five years of NFL experience

Original pick compensation: $1.226 million
Second round tender: $1.809 million
First round tender: $2.621 million
First and third round tender: $3.268 million

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I think the level of the tender that makes the most sense for Campbell and Rodgers is the 1st round compensation level ($2.017 million First-round). That way the Skins can negotiate starting from a position of strength.

Posted by: TWISI | February 16, 2010 8:45 PM

TWISI--These guys were both first round picks. If they're tendered at "original pick compensation," isn't that the same thing as "first round tender" but at half the cost? What am I not understanding here?

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

So I walk into a Subway on 700 South in SLC and I'm trying to hit RI on my cell, but I'm in line so I stop. Then I hear a guy at one of the tables who is reading what I think is this very post to his friend.

I should have done the Redskins chat, but we were going to be late as it was...so I couldn't.

Oh well.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 16, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I think the level of the tender that makes the most sense for Campbell and Rodgers is the 1st round compensation level ($2.017 million First-round). That way the Skins can negotiate starting from a position of strength.

Posted by: TWISI | February 16, 2010 8:45 PM

TWISI--These guys were both first round picks. If they're tendered at "original pick compensation," isn't that the same thing as "first round tender" but at half the cost? What am I not understanding here?

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 8:51 PM

You are correct L-S and that is exactly where we should start.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

"..who to keep and cut is dependent on who we draft..."

You got it backwards, but that's cool.

After 6-2 became 2-6 in 2008, and you finish 4-12 in 2009, what you cut is the fat of a lot of guys who just couldn't get it done.

Plain and simple.

Off season pro football is a mix of short term memory and long range planning.

The next few months will be all about turnover--letting go of 2002-2009--and bloggas getting to know a bunch of new dudes.

The draft is based on whatever vision you have moving forward without the dregs that experienced a lot of losing.

The pieces Shanny and Bruce add/release will tell us what kind of team they want.

Free agency this go round is about shedding the leftover mis-matched pieces from that days of St Joe and Jimbo Zoron.

So it really doesn't matter what order things happen in: we just what turnover to be the thing that's happenin'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 16, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Lot to focus on over the off-season.

Additionally, I'd be interested in seeing a WP article on the ex-Redskin head-coaches. As we know all too well, they come and they go. But what becomes of them?

Posted by: Josh7 | February 16, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Who cares?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 16, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

2009 OL rankings by ProFootballFocus.com

Heyer RANK 71 STARTS LT(3), RT(13) SNAPS 974 OVERALL -24.8 PASS BLOCK -14.7 SCREEN BLOCK -2.5 RUN BLOCK 0.9 PENALTY -8.5 QB SK 8 QB HIT 11 QB PR 33

Jones RANK 75 STARTS LT(9), RT(0) SNAPS 527 OVERALL -27.0 PASS BLOCK -15.6 SCREEN BLOCK 0.5 RUN BLOCK -8.9 PENALTY -3.0 QB SK 6 QB HIT 14 QB PR 19

This the positional rankings for all OTs. Rankings are out of 77 total OT. Heyer ranked 71 and Levi 75.

Dockery RANK 24 STARTS LG(16), RG(0) SNAPS 1026 OVERALL 3.1 PASS BLOCK 8.8 SCREEN BLOCK 1.5 RUN BLOCK – 4.2 PENALTY -3.0 QB SK 2 QB HIT 4 QB PR 11

Montgomery RANK 58 STARTS LG(0), RG(5) SNAPS 288 OVERALL -5.1 PASS BLOCK 1.0 SCREEN BLOCK 1.0 RUN BLOCK – 4.1 PENALTY -3.0 QB SK 1 QB HIT 3 QB PR 4

This was out a total of 85 OGs.

Rabach RANK 25 STARTS C (16) SNAPS 1026 OVERALL -6.4 PASS BLOCK 0.3 SCREEN BLOCK 0.0 RUN BLOCK – 1.2 PENALTY -5.5 QB SK 1 QB HIT 4 QB PR 12

This was out of a total of 34 centers.

If anyone still thinks we should pass on OL and take a QB, you’re mistaken. And I’d keep Heyer as a cheap backup and not resign Levi.

1st Okung
2nd Pouncey/Vladimir Ducasse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

TWISI--These guys were both first round picks. If they're tendered at "original pick compensation," isn't that the same thing as "first round tender" but at half the cost? What am I not understanding here?

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 8:51 PM

There is a caveat in just assigning them the original level tender. The other team will have to make a qualifying offer of at least $2.198 million (first-round level compensation). Otherwise the Skins get only a second. I know what you're thinking, take the second. However, I think in principle the Skins should protect the highest level round of compensation possible in the tenders.

Posted by: TWISI | February 16, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Go see "The Hurt Locker".

Excellent film, trust me.

I'm not a plot killa, so I'll say that it's a dude movie about soldiers, and killing, and bombs, and friendship, and dues and war.

No blue people kickin' butt in the future.

No fat chick getting raped by everybody in the ghetto except Chesta Da Molesta.

No George Clooney flying around in airplanes for ne reason.

No old man and talking dogs using balloons to fly the f!ck around looking for a place to land.

No chicks on the couch whining that the only thing they can get between their bony legs is a broken female sex toy.

In other words, "The Hurt Locker" is a movie about dudes being dudes and not showing any shame about it.

Which is cool.

There's a lot of committed dudes blowing stuff up in "The Hurt Locker": which, in terms of what we all feel about the redskin roster, is just the kind of motivation we all need.

Go see the movie and stop posting.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 16, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

There is a caveat in just assigning them the original level tender. The other team will have to make a qualifying offer of at least $2.198 million (first-round level compensation). Otherwise the Skins get only a second. I know what you're thinking, take the second. However, I think in principle the Skins should protect the highest level round of compensation possible in the tenders.

Posted by: TWISI | February 16, 2010 9:04 PM

If any team is willing to give up a second for them, they're going to be using them as starters and paying more than $2.2 million per.

The risk is that we're stuck with these guys, and we have to pay them what we offer them. It's not worth that risk.

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Rex Grossman is a great QB -- in practice

Posted by: ElYeah | February 16, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 16, 2010 9:08 PM

I hear it's phenomenal. It's on my short list. I'm sure you saw it, but HBO's Generation Kill was top notch as well. If not quit posting and watch all 13 episodes consecutively until you’ve finished and report back Thursday when you’re done.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"Man Busted In TV Smash Rampage
Cops: Baseball bat vandal destroyed 29 flat-panel sets at Walmart"


FEBRUARY 11--Meet Westley Strellis. For unknown reasons, the Georgia man yesterday afternoon smashed 29 flat-screen televisions during a rampage at a Walmart in suburban Atlanta.


There's no snarky comment for this.

This is a guy acting on what most of us felt 12 times this past pro football season.

1 bat, 29 flat screens: tons 'o chaos.

I guess you really can't beat that with a baseball bat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 16, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

diesal44

"Generation Kill"?

I think I did see all those shows.

I've seen a lot of stuff.

I'm about to watch a movie called "In The Loop".

I'm out.

And put that bat down.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 16, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

If any team is willing to give up a second for them, they're going to be using them as starters and paying more than $2.2 million per.

The risk is that we're stuck with these guys, and we have to pay them what we offer them. It's not worth that risk.

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 9:13 PM

So what would you do with a guys like Heyer & Alexander who were undrafted or Golston who was a 6th RD Pick. Pay them more than a starting QB, starting CB, or starting LB?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

We want to be net sellers of personnel, not buyers.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 16, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Lot to focus on over the off-season.

Additionally, I'd be interested in seeing a WP article on the ex-Redskin head-coaches. As we know all too well, they come and they go. But what becomes of them?

Posted by: Josh7 | February 16, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Who cares?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 16, 2010 8:56 PM

When you become the blog bully.

Here you go Josh 7.

Zorn- QB coach Baltimore
Gibbs- Joe Gibbs Racing
The Ball Coach- South Carolina HC
Marty- Various TV/Radio gigs NFL network and Sirus NFL
Norv- Chargers HC and perennial playoff loser.

If we never see Josh7 again it's your fault glawrenceDMV.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

So what would you do with a guys like Heyer & Alexander who were undrafted or Golston who was a 6th RD Pick. Pay them more than a starting QB, starting CB, or starting LB?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 9:23 PM

I'd sign Alexander and Golston to three-year or four-year contracts. Heyer can leave. These tender deals are just one-year contracts for guys you're ready to lose or hoping to trade.

By the way, Diesel44, where do you get off calling me old? You were born in 1944 -- that makes you 66. You're almost as old as Cork. Come around here with your stupid bag and my dogs'll get you.

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The Hurt Locker was a very good flick but...I've misplaces the copy to send back to Netflix and I'm not sure what to do next.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I've misplaces the copy to send back to Netflix and I'm not sure what to do next.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2010 9:56 PM

Move to California, cancel your credit card, and don't give them your new address?

Did you get that mansion you made an offer on?

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I'd sign Alexander and Golston to three-year or four-year contracts. Heyer can leave. These tender deals are just one-year contracts for guys you're ready to lose or hoping to trade.

Posted by: League-Source

I agree with most of what you wrote. I'd sign #79 and #64 instead of the tender because it would be less money per year and they can play. I'd find a way to keep Heyer as a low price backup, say a 2-3 year deal.

I would tender 17 & 22 with the hopes that someone would give us compensation and if not, give us a year to find a replacement.

I would tender Rocky to see if he can stay healthy and play in a 3-4 and then if he succeeds, sign him to a long-term deal.

As far as my age, don’t confuse wisdom with age. And your dogs, I would never hurt a domesticated animal but I do have some treats for them to make them more regular.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

As far as my age, don’t confuse wisdom with age.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 10:06 PM

You're telling me that 44 is your IQ, not the year you were born? I wouldn't have guessed that, for sure.

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 10:10 PM

Pretty, pretty, pretty good. It's going to cost you 2 flaming bags on your porch though.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

No Yoder on that list RedskinHead.
Why doesn't anyone want to keep the Yode. All he does os catch TD passes and block better than any other TE on the team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2010 6:34 PM
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I'd keep Yoder. I missed him as a free agent is all.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 16, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I've misplaces the copy to send back to Netflix and I'm not sure what to do next.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2010 9:56 PM

Move to California, cancel your credit card, and don't give them your new address?

Did you get that mansion you made an offer on?

Posted by: League-Source | February 16, 2010 10:01 PM

Not quite a mansion. Still waiting. It is an extremely competitive housing market in that area.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

We have new web security product at work - Zscaler - and it evidently thinks that the RI site has nothing to do with my job, therefore I need not visit it.

how crappy is that...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 16, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Time for a new job tampa

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

We have new web security product at work - Zscaler - and it evidently thinks that the RI site has nothing to do with my job, therefore I need not visit it.

how crappy is that...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 16, 2010 11:04 PM

Chained to a desk? You clearly have people skills...go sell something.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

locked into vestings and such need another year at least here

maybe I invest in a broadband card

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 16, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 16, 2010 11:33 PM

What do you do? Most fortune 500 jobs vest @ 5 years. Anyways RI is clearly more important than being a productive citizen.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 16, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

locked into vestings and such need another year at least here

maybe I invest in a broadband card

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 16, 2010 11:33 PM |

Ipod touch/iphone works well too but it takes a lot of scrolling.,

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

quinton ganther lead the redskins this past year with 3 rushing td's.....................................poop

Posted by: BMACattack | February 17, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

this post is very saddening because there aren't MORE upcoming Redskins free agents...the new coaching staff has to work around the BULBOUS contracts of veterens whose talents have been exaggerated to us by a team that is brilliant at marketing itself. I'm sick of hearing that we are an "under-performing team". The current team is performing just as it should, just as it was built to do....if you plant an orange tree, dont expect apples

Posted by: ncoxx002 | February 17, 2010 2:17 AM | Report abuse

if you plant an orange tree, dont expect apples

Posted by: ncoxx002 | February 17, 2010 2:17 AM

...and if you plant an orange tree in Ashburn, don't expect oranges.

Posted by: League-Source | February 17, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

quinton ganther lead the redskins this past year with 3 rushing td's.....................................poop

Posted by: BMACattack | February 17, 2010 1:35 AM


Fantasy sleeper for 2010?

Gotta laugh to keep from cryin'...

That's one thing I'm pretty confident Shanny will fix: the ground game. I wouldn't be shocked to see him get 1,000 yards out of a random slappy like Ganther, provided we get the O-line upgraded in a hurry.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 6:09 AM | Report abuse

Let's keep Chris Wilson. great potential

Posted by: emcdonald6 | February 17, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Let's keep Chris Wilson. great potential

Posted by: emcdonald6 | February 17, 2010 6:31 AM


Well in that case, we should trade him for draft picks. I mean, Portis is getting us about 15 1st rounders; you gotta figure Wilson is worth at least 2 or 3 2nd rounders.

Let's see if that jump starts this blog...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Let's keep Chris Wilson. great potential

Posted by: emcdonald6 | February 17, 2010 6:31 AM


Well in that case, we should trade him for draft picks. I mean, Portis is getting us about 15 1st rounders; you gotta figure Wilson is worth at least 2 or 3 2nd rounders.

Let's see if that jump starts this blog...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 7:43 AM
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Chris Wilson has those undefineable characteristics that have sports writers calling him "the second coming of Leight Torrence".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

quinton ganther lead the redskins this past year with 3 rushing td's.....................................poop

Posted by: BMACattack | February 17, 2010 1:35 AM


Fantasy sleeper for 2010?

Gotta laugh to keep from cryin'...

That's one thing I'm pretty confident Shanny will fix: the ground game. I wouldn't be shocked to see him get 1,000 yards out of a random slappy like Ganther, provided we get the O-line upgraded in a hurry.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 6:09 AM
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I bet when the regular season rolls around, Quinton Ganther won't even be the starter and may not even be on the team. You have to remember Ganther was third on the depth chart and got his job because of injuries to the two guys ahead of him. He didn't earn the spot he was in at the end of the season. Yes, he pulled away from such menacing running backs as Marcus Mason, Anthony Alridge, and Rock Cartwright but that is kind of like be the tallest midget, right? Shanahan will bring in some real competition at running back and Ganther will have to earn his keep to stick around. I do like his versatility. He could potentially be a back up running back and a "fast package" fullback. He's got decent hands and can block okay. I could envision him being used similar to Mike Bell when he was in Denver, or the team could just go sign Bell, who I understand is a free agent...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Let's keep Chris Wilson. great potential

Posted by: emcdonald6 | February 17, 2010 6:31 AM


Well in that case, we should trade him for draft picks. I mean, Portis is getting us about 15 1st rounders; you gotta figure Wilson is worth at least 2 or 3 2nd rounders.

Let's see if that jump starts this blog...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 7:43 AM
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Chris Wilson has those undefineable characteristics that have sports writers calling him "the second coming of Leight Torrence".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 7:46 AM
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Make that "Leigh Torrence" or else the gods of football will strike me down for blasphemy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Let's keep Chris Wilson. great potential

Posted by: emcdonald6 | February 17, 2010 6:31 AM
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All sarcasm aside, Chris Wilson is a high motor guy with a good work ethic. He's a fan favorite. I am not sure about the "great potential" part, though. He usually has about one play every game where his name stands out and the rest of the time he's barely holding his own. He is not very good in pass coverage. He's got upside, but he's a 28 year old converted defensive end with little experience in the position. The reality is he will probably be replaced by some young up and comer. The name Gatewood comes immediately to mind, but there will be a ton of linebackers filtering into Redskins park before too long and I don't see Wilson making the cut.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

RSH, I was saying we might be able to run well with someone LIKE Ganther, not Ganther in particular. I doubt he makes the team too, just meant to point out that we don't need a big-time RB to run well in this system.

And I got a laugh out of the Leigh Torrence reference...glad JLC isn't here to point out how he has a ring and the Redskins are just trying to win more than 1/4 of their games. As if Torrence was the one who scored the pick 6 in the 4th quarter...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

"...quinton ganther lead the redskins this past year with 3 rushing..."


3 rushing touchdowns led the team?

Ganther had a 3.2 rushing average behind a broken end of the season offensive line.

He had a nice burst and is the kind of back who can get lost in a mass of players: the singular advantage of smallish, quick running backs.

To me, he looks like he might be M Jones-Drew without the blocking.

I wonder if Shanny will think the same thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

What is the most number of draft picks a person can have? With the upcoming uncapped year lets max that out. Draft 52 new players and go from there.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I take it back, draft 50 new guys, we need to keep Orakpo and Cooley.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

RSH, I was saying we might be able to run well with someone LIKE Ganther, not Ganther in particular. I doubt he makes the team too, just meant to point out that we don't need a big-time RB to run well in this system.

And I got a laugh out of the Leigh Torrence reference...glad JLC isn't here to point out how he has a ring and the Redskins are just trying to win more than 1/4 of their games. As if Torrence was the one who scored the pick 6 in the 4th quarter...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 8:09 AM
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It wasn't Leigh Torrence who got the pick 6, but I felt the "aura of Leigh Torrence" when that happened... His presence def made a difference...

Speaking of Jason La Caca - his standings prediction for next year had Washington rated at 26. Can you believe the guy? He had the Bears at 18. The average IQ for Washington Post writers went up by five points the day that guy left town...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

The Hurt Locker was a very good flick but...I've misplaces the copy to send back to Netflix and I'm not sure what to do next.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2010 9:56 PM

Come on scamp. That movie is in my netflix queue and is unavailable because of a "Long Wait." Find it.

Posted by: mack1 | February 17, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

What is the most number of draft picks a person can have? With the upcoming uncapped year lets max that out. Draft 52 new players and go from there.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 8:21 AM


I know Madden won't let you have more than 10 picks, but I'm pretty sure there is no limit in real life. I just don't think there's enough trade bait on any one team that would allow you to get more than 10-12 picks though.

RSH, I wish NFLN would drop JLC. He's bringing down their collective game over there. Never been a Shefter fan, but going to JLC from him is like going from Peyton Manning to Jim Sorgi.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
I'll grant you that the offensive line was bad last year, but they were far better in run blocking than pass blocking. I distinctly remember both Williams and Jones leveling defenders on multiple occasions. Ganther's performance was behind an o-line that was making holes for him. Let's be honest, Ganther has shown flashes, but he is not a starting running back. I think the team could win with him as a three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust running back, but Shanahan is going to want someone more explosive back there. I keep saying Shanny had a whole offseason to look for diamonds in the rough and he will bring some backs into camp that will be sleepers. There was this guy by the name of Terrell Davis in Denver - 6th round draft pick - I hear he did some good things...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Well in that case, we should trade him for draft picks. I mean, Portis is getting us about 15 1st rounders; you gotta figure Wilson is worth at least 2 or 3 2nd rounders.

Let's see if that jump starts this blog...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 7:43 AM

Absolutely. Yee-Haw good buddy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Here's some fodder for the "trade everybody" crew...Portis for Cromartie?


Chargers look into trading Cromartie for a running back
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 17, 2010 8:10 AM ET
We noted a week ago that a rumor was making the rounds in league circles, apparently perpetuated by Chargers linebacker Shaun Phillips, that San Diego would trade cornerback Antonio Cromartie to Dallas for running back Tashard Choice.

That specific trade was shot down by reporters in Dallas who insisted there was nothing to it, but ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that the Chargers do, in fact, want to trade Cromartie for a running back.

Per Mortensen, with LaDainian Tomlinson almost certain to leave and Darren Sproles about to become a restricted free agent, acquiring a running back is a high priority for the Chargers. The Chargers would apparently like to either trade for a veteran, or trade for a draft pick that would give them a better chance of acquiring a running back they want in the draft.

Although Cromartie started all 16 games in 2009, Mortensen reports that he's fallen out of favor with the Chargers, and that they'd be happy to head into 2010 with Quentin Jammer and Antoine Cason as their starters at cornerback.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

what round was cromartie drafted in?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

QB Jason Campbell, highest RFA tender, I know a lot of people don't like him but we need to keep him for 1 more year. No matter what your long term plan, he is our best option, and if someone else want's him, I want a 1st and 2nd draft pick for him.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 16, 2010 4:46 PM


Ugh. Here we go again.

Can someone please explain to me why on God's green earth Jason Campbell is our "best" option next season? And why we "need" to keep him for 1 more year?

Alot of folks throw that around, yet have never actually made the case as to why we "need" him and why he's the "best" option.

It's just assumed.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

What does it mean to tender an RFA at the lowest level and then have the compensation determined by "original draft status"?

Does that mean we can give Double Move Rogers a measley $900K and still demand a first round pick in exchange?

If so, I say go for it.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Greg, Cromartie was a 1st rounder if I recall correctly.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

If we don't sign him (cut him) we get nothing for him. If we sign him and no one else wants him he becomes a cheap stop-gap starter or a quality backup. Or, maybe with a professional football coach calling the shots and an upgraded OL, he becomes a player.

Posted by: mack1 | February 17, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I'd make that trade in a quick minute...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain to me why on God's green earth Jason Campbell is our "best" option next season? And why we "need" to keep him for 1 more year?

Alot of folks throw that around, yet have never actually made the case as to why we "need" him and why he's the "best" option.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 8:44 AM


Because you're not going to get a better option in FA and a rookie QB won't stay alive, let alone succeed behind this O-line. You have a guy who put up his best numbers to date playing behind a train-wreck O-line with the NFL coaching equivalent of Bozo the Clown as his HC. If you have a guy who put up better numbers than half this year's Pro-Bowlers at QB, you keep him for a paltry 1-year, $1 point-whatever million deal and hope you have the goods in whatever QB you draft in '10/'11. Not really rocket science, dude.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

So the Chargers who are contemplating cutting a future HOF RB with zero locker room issues are going to trade a starting CB for an even more broken down RB with an even more bloated contract.

STOP IT..

Portis's contract, work ethic, attitude, & high miles make him untradeable. He will be cut, on March 5th.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"NFL coaching equivalent of Bozo the Clown as his HC"

All that what missing was the clown shoes, and then entire coaching staff stuffing themselves into a clown car.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

So the Chargers who are contemplating cutting a future HOF RB with zero locker room issues are going to trade a starting CB for an even more broken down RB with an even more bloated contract.

STOP IT..

Portis's contract, work ethic, attitude, & high miles make him untradeable. He will be cut, on March 5th.


Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 9:05 AM

Diesel, I was TOTALLY kidding...that was a jab at the "trade everybody" crowd.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

REPOST: I nerded out last night just to dispel the myth that we should take a QB before the 4th RD. Keep in mind FA is full of average 29+ OL.

2009 OL rankings by ProFootballFocus.com

Heyer RANK 71 STARTS LT(3), RT(13) SNAPS 974 OVERALL -24.8 PASS BLOCK -14.7 SCREEN BLOCK -2.5 RUN BLOCK 0.9 PENALTY -8.5 QB SK 8 QB HIT 11 QB PR 33

Jones RANK 75 STARTS LT(9), RT(0) SNAPS 527 OVERALL -27.0 PASS BLOCK -15.6 SCREEN BLOCK 0.5 RUN BLOCK -8.9 PENALTY -3.0 QB SK 6 QB HIT 14 QB PR 19

This the positional rankings for all OTs. Rankings are out of 77 total OT. Heyer ranked 71 and Levi 75.

Dockery RANK 24 STARTS LG(16), RG(0) SNAPS 1026 OVERALL 3.1 PASS BLOCK 8.8 SCREEN BLOCK 1.5 RUN BLOCK – 4.2 PENALTY -3.0 QB SK 2 QB HIT 4 QB PR 11

Montgomery RANK 58 STARTS LG(0), RG(5) SNAPS 288 OVERALL -5.1 PASS BLOCK 1.0 SCREEN BLOCK 1.0 RUN BLOCK – 4.1 PENALTY -3.0 QB SK 1 QB HIT 3 QB PR 4

This was out a total of 85 OGs.

Rabach RANK 25 STARTS C (16) SNAPS 1026 OVERALL -6.4 PASS BLOCK 0.3 SCREEN BLOCK 0.0 RUN BLOCK – 1.2 PENALTY -5.5 QB SK 1 QB HIT 4 QB PR 12

This was out of a total of 34 centers.

If anyone still thinks we should pass on OL and take a QB, you’re mistaken. And I’d keep Heyer as a cheap backup and not resign Levi.

1st Okung
2nd Pouncey/Vladimir Ducasse


Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Because you're not going to get a better option in FA and a rookie QB won't stay alive, let alone succeed behind this O-line. You have a guy who put up his best numbers to date playing behind a train-wreck O-line with the NFL coaching equivalent of Bozo the Clown as his HC. If you have a guy who put up better numbers than half this year's Pro-Bowlers at QB, you keep him for a paltry 1-year, $1 point-whatever million deal and hope you have the goods in whatever QB you draft in '10/'11. Not really rocket science, dude.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 8:59 AM |

Brown,

I'm not saying JC is or is not are best option, but I will say you can't use the O-Line thing as the reason. The O-Line will be upgraded before next year believe me.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, I was TOTALLY kidding...that was a jab at the "trade everybody" crowd.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 9:08 AM

No doubt, but the trade everybody crowd will run with this and then I'll have to read about it all day.

JC 1st rd
CP 2nd rd
CC 1st rd

freaking etc.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Because you're not going to get a better option in FA and a rookie QB won't stay alive, let alone succeed behind this O-line. You have a guy who put up his best numbers to date playing behind a train-wreck O-line with the NFL coaching equivalent of Bozo the Clown as his HC. If you have a guy who put up better numbers than half this year's Pro-Bowlers at QB, you keep him for a paltry 1-year, $1 point-whatever million deal and hope you have the goods in whatever QB you draft in '10/'11. Not really rocket science, dude.

Posted by: brownwood26

Brown,

I'm not saying JC is or is not are best option, but I will say you can't use the O-Line thing as the reason. The O-Line will be upgraded before next year believe me.

Posted by: Flounder21

You could use them as an excuse this past season. Not THE excuse, but they were a variable in the equation for sure.

And calling Zorn "Bozo the Clown" is too generous. Zorn is more like the adult character 'Duddits' minus the morphing ability.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm not saying JC is or is not are best option, but I will say you can't use the O-Line thing as the reason. The O-Line will be upgraded before next year believe me.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2010 9:10 AM


Perhaps, but not to the extent that you can successfully start a rookie QB.

And keep in mind, taking a QB at #4 means you reduce the likelihood that the OL help you draft will be opening day starters. Thus pushing back the process another year (potentially).

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Zoron the Moron.

I do like BoZorn the clown, tho.

RE the post:

Keep McIntosh, Albright, Smith & Yoder. All the rest can go if they want or we get something better.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

If we don't sign him (cut him) we get nothing for him. If we sign him and no one else wants him he becomes a cheap stop-gap starter or a quality backup. Or, maybe with a professional football coach calling the shots and an upgraded OL, he becomes a player.

Posted by: mack1 | February 17, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse


Ok. What you have presented is a reason why it might be wise to sign him - to ensure that we get something in return instead of losing him for free.

But this does not explain why we "need" him our why he is even our "best" option.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I don't get the love for Rocky Mac...he isn't likely to fit into a 3-4 (if that switch is made) and he's been kinda up and down here. I know the Bears were kinda hot for him a couple years back, Skins should call Chicago and see if they still want him.

Now THAT'S a "trade him" scenario I can get with.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Oh & RE Curling:

Is it wrong for me to crush on the Japanese womens' team? Kinda diggin' it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

What's good with curling all of the sudden? Isn't that the game when they push a disc or something then let it go?

Wtf is that about? If that's a winter sport then so is urinating in the snow.

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McIntosh is one of those guys who just works. Probably won't fit into a 3/4 scheme but was easily one of the top five players from 2009.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

But this does not explain why we "need" him our why he is even our "best" option.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 9:35 AM


OK, here's what JC is: a cheap option with 50+ starts and a QB who posted an 86 QB rating last year. You won't get that on the open market in FA. And he's better than Collins and better than Colt Brennan. So if he's the best QB you've got on the roster, and better than what you'll see on the FA market, therefore he's the best option.

Does that answer your question?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Because you're not going to get a better option in FA and a rookie QB won't stay alive, let alone succeed behind this O-line. You have a guy who put up his best numbers to date playing behind a train-wreck O-line with the NFL coaching equivalent of Bozo the Clown as his HC. If you have a guy who put up better numbers than half this year's Pro-Bowlers at QB, you keep him for a paltry 1-year, $1 point-whatever million deal and hope you have the goods in whatever QB you draft in '10/'11. Not really rocket science, dude.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse


What makes you so sure that there isn't a better option in FA? Someone who has experience in the Shanny system that can be a 1-year placeholder and then take a backup role?

Why isn't that a better option than holding over Campbell for a year making the investment of teaching him a whole new offense and then cutting him after a year??

We aren't going to be running Zorn's playbook. So all those "career" numbers that Campbell posted this past season are irrelevant because he's not going to play in the same offense and he is going to have to learn have to learn a brand new offense from scratch.

Jay Cutler put up ProBowl"career" numbers in the 3rd year of an offense, then floundered horribly in the first year of his new stint in Chicago. Just because someone performs admirably in one offense doesn't automatically mean in translates to another.

After 3-4 years of watcing JC17 learn new offenses, we have plenty of evidence to show us how he's likely to perform in the first year of a new offense, and it's typically pretty crappy. And if the team isn't planning to make a long-term investment in JC17 what is the point in keeping him around to teach him a new offense only to wave bye-bye to him after a year?

Once again, you've presented a couple reasons why it MIGHT work out to keep JC around for a year, but that is still a far cry from illustrating why we "need" him and why he's our "best" option.

The Colts "need" Manning. He is their "best" option.

The Saints "need" Brees. He is their "best" option.

The Redskins do NOT "need" Campbell. And there is precious little to indicate that he is even our "best" option.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Does that answer your question?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse


No. See my above post. The whole line of reasoning rests on the assumption that he'll be running the same offense that he did this past year, which he won't.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Is it wrong for me to crush on the Japanese womens' team? Kinda diggin' it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 9:39 AM


Only if it's wrong for me to crush on the pregnant chick on the US team...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

The OL needs so much work. They need at least 3 or 4 starting caliber players this year, that fits Shanahan's scheme. Then they need 3 or 4 more backups that fit his scheme. This past OL wasn't athletic by any means, so really I'm not sure how many of these guys are going to be wanted. On the conservative side, you're looking at finding 5 new players on the OL (3 starters and 2 swing players) that fit Shanny's scheme with limited FA options.

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Garcia than Campbell. He's available, right?

I'm sure Shanny will have a solution. He's traditionally had decent QB's. If he rubber-stamps Soup, then who are we to argue?... aside from all the experience we have w/ him (oy vey!).

No need to open the debate. We all know the pros & cons.

... can we come up w/ a better nickname for Shanahan? the Leprachaun is too long. Shanny sounds impotent. Ideas?
D'arby O'Gill & the Little People? ... ech...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Nope, you're good there, brownie!

What can I say, I like a woman who bowls.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Ok. What you have presented is a reason why it might be wise to sign him - to ensure that we get something in return instead of losing him for free.

But this does not explain why we "need" him our why he is even our "best" option.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 9:35 AM

Okay funk. I'll connect the dots. We "need" to sign him because it's a "wise" move and after a decade of stupidity "wise" moves are our "best" option for improving the team. Does that help?

Posted by: mack1 | February 17, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 9:48 AM

I agree.

LT- OKUNG 1st RD
LG- DOCKERY
C- POUNCEY 2ND RD
RG- CHESTER PITTS UFA
RT- HEYER/JONES/FOX OR WANG in 4th RD

It's certainly not a sexy draft but with how bad the OL was last year, this would rebuild the OL and give us a chance in the NFC East.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

D'arby O'Gill & the Little People
...D'arby O'Gill & the Little People
.......D'arby O'Gill & the Little People

Does anyone else remember when the DC 20 spot for that movie was running? I still hear that voice in my head. Annoying as SJK.

(as is this post)(maps)

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

... can we come up w/ a better nickname for Shanahan?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 9:52 AM

As a principle, I don't think you can manufacture nicknames. This sounds like those perpetual contests Jasno used to run "Let's get a degrading nickname for Vinny!"

They never produced a winner. Real nicknames arise naturally as when nate called Jason LaCanfora "jasno." It was perfect and it stuck.

That said, I think of the new coach as Mike Shenanigan. It's probably an unfair and inaccurate characterization, but it works for me.

Posted by: League-Source | February 17, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

... can we come up w/ a better nickname for Shanahan? the Leprachaun is too long. Shanny sounds impotent. Ideas?
D'arby O'Gill & the Little People? ... ech...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 9:52 AM

Shanny's nickname has always been "the rat".

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Okay funk. I'll connect the dots. We "need" to sign him because it's a "wise" move and after a decade of stupidity "wise" moves are our "best" option for improving the team. Does that help?

Posted by: mack1 | February 17, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Ha. ha.

Nice try. But you've gone back and changed the premise.

THe discussion is no longer about Jason Campbell and QB play, the discussion is now more generalized about roster management and finances.

FOr example, the Wizards "needed" to clear cap-space and luxury tax liability, therefore making a trade that included Drew Gooden was their "best" option. But that is not the same thing as saying that the team "needs" Drew Gooden because he is their "best" option at PF.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Your Day 1 Shark Olympics hockey summary:

Nabakov cruises in Russia's game 1 win, stopping 18 shots.

All 4 Sharks score in Canada's win over Norway. Heatley nets 2 goals, Boyle 2 assists and Thornton and Marleau each get an assist. Boyle leads Canada with a +4 outing.

Meanwhile, Joe Pavelski played solidly in USA's win over Switzerland.

That's your Shark Olympics Day 1 summary

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Why isn't that a better option than holding over Campbell for a year making the investment of teaching him a whole new offense and then cutting him after a year??

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 9:45 AM


Ok, I think you're missing some vital facts here.

First of all, there's no negotiation or major hassle in bringing JC back. It's as simple as tendering him a restricted FA contract that is already at a predetermined salary. It's at a little over a million bucks, which is cheap for a backup QB, much less a starter. So if you can retain his rights at that low a price, worst case scenario you've got a backup QB with 50+ starts of experience. Not bringing him back is undoubtedly crazy, regardless of whether you decide to play him.

Next, I'ma need you to stop comparing JC to elite QBs. I don't think anyone here (even the most staunch JC supporters) would ever mistake JC for Manning or Brees or even McNabb. He's a solid, yet unspectacular player. To see him in any other light is misguided at best. He's nowhere near the best QB out there but what some fail to recognize here is that he's also far from the worst.

And I think you're taking the term "best option" out of context. Peyton Manning is not an option here. Drew Brees is not an option here. As of right now, Jason Campbell is the best option here because he's better than Collins and better than Brennan. Unless the team drafts a QB that is better than JC, that won't change this offseason.

I will grant you that we need to see who truly comes available in FA before we decide JC is the best available option. I've said here before I'd like to bring in Jeff Garcia to see if he can beat JC out for the starting gig (provided JG's price tag is reasonable). I just don't easily dismiss a steadily improving young QB who can be had on the cheap just because he's not Peyton Manning. If that's the criteria, then at least 25 teams should cut their QBs this offseason.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

No. See my above post. The whole line of reasoning rests on the assumption that he'll be running the same offense that he did this past year, which he won't.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

They're both WCO. They're both decended from the 49ers Bill Walsh caoching tree. This isn't an entire philosophy change like what JC had to endure to get from Gibbs to Zorn or from College to the pros. When JC adapted to the pros from college the thing he had to do was learn how to play at NFL speed. It's something he has struggled with. That's hard for any rookie. Just ask Mark Sanchez. The things JC had to do to adapt to Zorn's scheme are the same things he'd have to do to adapt to any WCO. Changing his throwing mechanics, learning the terminology, shortening his release, and going through his reads much faster are all things he's already learned. He's only going to be learning new plays this time around. Since he's got the fundamentals down he can now concetrate on other things like reading defenses and developing timing with his receivers.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Garcia than Campbell. He's available, right?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 9:52 AM


I think so...and what folks have to remember about Garcia is that he doesn't have much size and seems to get hurt quite a bit. Plus he's going on 40.

As a one-year stopgap, I'm game. But either way, it's still crazy to not bring JC back at just over a million bucks to be the backup.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I kinda like the Leprechaun name for Shanahan. After, we are looking for the burgundy colored pot filled with gold at the end of the rainbow.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Well said, PASkinsfan. Totally agree.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say 'crazy', but I see your point.

I'm also not touting Garcia, just threw him up as an example of just that kind of player 1-2 year stopgap. Prolly not the best example.

...again, I'm trusting... the rat.

Nope, sorry, don't like the sound of that either. I'm still soliciting other nicknames. Think: "Lust for May Hens", people...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I think you are overstating the similarities in the offenses. "WCO" has evolved in a dozen different ways.

WHen AL Saunders was brought in, one of the things they said was that Saunders and Gibbs both came from the "Don Coryell" tree and their offenses were based on similar principles...how'd that transition really work out?

I think the link works when you have players working with coaches that they've worked with before, the link is alot more tenuous when you are simply talking about working in a similar offensive philosophy.

Favre worked out well in Minny b/c the QB coach is a guy that Favre has worked with before. D.McNabb would probably work well in Minny b/c Childress is a coach he's worked w/ before.

That's why I think there's more merit in bringing in a vet that the Shanny's have worked with before.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse


My point is getting to the root of what we mean when we use the words "need" and "best" when we are talking about bringing back JC17.

I think there's merit to the idea. That's not the issue.

I'm just baffled as to why some people couch the discussion in terms of "needing" to bring him back and installing him as the "best" option.

WTH is that about?

I'm not comparing JC to Brees or Manning, I'm using those QBs as examples of what it REALLY means to say you "need" a guy and he's your "best" option.

I think what people are saying is that the Skins "need" a vet that can be had on the cheap who has a good chance of playing reasonably well but can step aside and make room for a young QB that the Shannys want to groom.

But there are a fair few other options out there besides Jason Campbell for filling that "need", and I just don't buy into the notion that Jason Campbell automatically ascends to the top of the list.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

On our RFA's I have mixed feelings. I would offer LOS, JC, ROCKY, and DOUGHTY at the highest. We will get solid comps if they leave, and this is the draft to get them.

ZO, GOLS, MONTY depend upon whether we play a 3-4 or 4-3, and who would be retained in that scenerio. I'm sure the brass is working on that as we speak. I don't know what offers we make. Depends upon what the brass think a comp might be if they leave.

RABACH I think must be retained unless......... The comp probably would be low, and we have to have a smooth transition if a rookie pick like ERIC OLSON fills the slot. Another UFA however, might supplant CASEY altogether. Just depends on who it is.

WILSON I would offer. We might get a very low comp if he goes, and it wouldn't hurt for him to be in camp either.

MONTGOMERY, I would not offer. Although he's a good player, he's just too small for the NFL. If anyone else wanted him I would be surprised.

As far as UFA's, we've already made a move to back-up ALBRIGHT, but it's a critical position. I think you wait to see what offers are made, then match or better and keep him. Unless the best offer is absolutely crazy, you let the competition play out. He's not getting any younger.

Match offers and retain HUNTER SMITH.

PHILLIP DANIELS is a part-time player and is being paid that way. I think you let him go if there's any offer over 1 million for next season. Maybe we get a comp seventh in return.

TODD YODER will not command a high offer IMO. We should sign him. He looked so much better than MIKE SELLERS in that one game, I think he earned a return. Cut SELLERS.

MIKE WILLIAMS wasn't too bad unless he had to play in space. He could back-up at guard next season. Of course, if the brass thinks we get a comp for the offer let him go. I can't see it myself, but he was a high draft pick, and some other GM might have a long memory.

LEVI JONES was adequate against weaker DE's this past season, but horrible against the top ones. Not a long-term answer in any way. IF anyone offers let him go, provided of course, we fill his slot with a top ten OT pick or RFA like DONALD PENN.

Say thanks for the memories to a good man in RENALDO WYNN. He was insurance last year, but JARMON fills his slot. I would give him a job in the locker room if he wants it. He's a great person to be associated with the REDSKINS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

DikShuttle-

I don't think Shanny likes it either. He's had it since his Raider days, I think Jim Rome may have started it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Funk, I think the initial wording of your question was off. You should have asked: "Who wants to engage me in another Sisyphean off-season argument about JC?"

Posted by: mack1 | February 17, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse


Also, have you seen the statements from Shanny about the qualities he looks for in a QB?

How many of those things sound like JC?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I just wish we had more second round picks.

I think Nate Allen from USF is going to be a stud at FS.

Jon Asomoaugh G from Illinois is going to be good too.

Navarro Bowmen LB from PSU will be a beast.

Javied Best and Dwyer may fall to the second.

I wish we could move Andre Carter but I don't think we'll get anything higher than a third for him. I'm so jealous of the Pats this year. They are going to be good again soon.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

LT- OKUNG 1st RD
LG- DOCKERY
C- POUNCEY 2ND RD
RG- CHESTER PITTS UFA
RT- HEYER/JONES/FOX OR WANG in 4th RD

It's certainly not a sexy draft but with how bad the OL was last year, this would rebuild the OL and give us a chance in the NFC East.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Pouncey will be there in the second, although I'd love that. Seems to be the concesus 2nd best C/G in the draft and should probably go towards the end of the first. Who would be the third or fourth best rated C/G?

Posted by: DCinSD | February 17, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mack1 | February 17, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse


Nice.

I admit, I like to use logical argumentation to have these discussions.

If that's not your cup of tea, then you can always engage pabrian in an exchange.

For the record, I did not initiate the JC17 discussion. I was responding to the following post by alex:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QB Jason Campbell, highest RFA tender, I know a lot of people don't like him but we need to keep him for 1 more year. No matter what your long term plan, he is our best option, and if someone else want's him, I want a 1st and 2nd draft pick for him.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 16, 2010 4:46 PM

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

How many of those things sound like JC?

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

How many of those things sound like Rex Grossman? We aren't saying JC is the franchise QB. We're just saying he's the best guy for next year. You keep saying he's not so you need to provide the name of the guy that is better for us for next year that is not JC. Who is your guy?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Keep:

Alexander
Golston
McIntosh
Wilson
Smith

Allow the others to depart.

Posted by: leopard09 | February 17, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The poets down here don't write nothing at all..they just stand back and let it all be.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I don't really have a problem w/ Carter.

If we beef up the LBs a little on the outside, VelosORAKPO already being a step in that direction, Carter can function well in a 3/4 if that's how we go.

I know we've had this debate before, but I believe there's sufficient evidence of this - not necessarily w/ him, but with similar style players.

Stompy jams up two linemen in the middle and the finesse DEs get to make moves one on one. Sure, the opposing O goes into protect, but that allows for better coverage & even Safety & LB blitzing to occurr

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I think what people are saying is that the Skins "need" a vet that can be had on the cheap who has a good chance of playing reasonably well but can step aside and make room for a young QB that the Shannys want to groom.

But there are a fair few other options out there besides Jason Campbell for filling that "need", and I just don't buy into the notion that Jason Campbell automatically ascends to the top of the list.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:30 AM


So what you're saying then is that you agree, but you hate the semantics.

Lame.

JC has been here. You know what you're getting with him. Bringing in another guy like Garcia that some would deem a better player than JC doesn't necessarily mean he'll play better here. As Skins fans, we should be VERY familiar with that concept.

(In case you're not, see 2006 safety position...dumping Ryan Clark for Adam Archuleta)

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Who would be the third or fourth best rated C/G?

Posted by: DCinSD | February 17, 2010 10:37 AM

Jon Asomoaugh G from Illinois IMO

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

How many of those things sound like Rex Grossman? We aren't saying JC is the franchise QB. We're just saying he's the best guy for next year. You keep saying he's not so you need to provide the name of the guy that is better for us for next year that is not JC. Who is your guy?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse


I don't need to provide someone that I think is the "best" guy, because I don't believe that there clearly is a "best" guy. And I think it's ridiculous to anoint anyone as the "best" guy at this stage.

That is my point.

I think there's some merit to keeping JC.

I think there's some merit to bringing in some other Shanny guys like Grossman, Carr, Ramsey or Rosenfels.

I think there's some merit in exploring an option like Garcia.

I think there's some merit in drafting a guy and starting him from Day 1.

But I think it's presumptuous and irrational to anoint JC as our "best" guy for next year. He doesn't know the coaches, he doesn't know their offense, and he's been an all-around mediocre QB throughout his career.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

You argue that we should bring in someone to start for a season that knows Shannahans offense, but there is no free agent out there who fits that description is there?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

So what you're saying then is that you agree, but you hate the semantics.

Lame.

JC has been here. You know what you're getting with him. Bringing in another guy like Garcia that some would deem a better player than JC doesn't necessarily mean he'll play better here. As Skins fans, we should be VERY familiar with that concept.

(In case you're not, see 2006 safety position...dumping Ryan Clark for Adam Archuleta)

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse


Um, no.

I do NOT agree that we "need" JC or that he is the "best" option, which is what this discussion was all about.

What is it that you've been arguing this whole time?

You say that "JC has been here and you know what you're getting with him."

That's just wrong. Plain and simple. I have no frickin clue what I'm going to get from JC in Shanny's offense. He's never played with them and he's never run their offense.

Maybe he's the familiar option to the fans because he's been playing here for years, but that is IRRELEVANT. The only thing that matters is the coaches' perspective.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I think what people are saying is that the Skins "need" a vet that can be had on the cheap who has a good chance of playing reasonably well but can step aside and make room for a young QB that the Shannys want to groom.

But there are a fair few other options out there besides Jason Campbell for filling that "need", and I just don't buy into the notion that Jason Campbell automatically ascends to the top of the list.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:30 AM

You tender JC because he's an asset. If some team say the Rams, Cards, or Seahawks want him you would receive compensation. That would be best case scenario because the compensation could be negotiated. Therefore you would receive something for him instead of him walking at the end of the 2010 season.

If not then he is easily the best UFA/RFA available and he competes for the starting job. He fits the role of a cheap stop gap QB for next year.

It’s not even a consideration that they don’t tender him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

But I think it's presumptuous and irrational to anoint JC as our "best" guy for next year. He doesn't know the coaches, he doesn't know their offense, and he's been an all-around mediocre QB throughout his career.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:47 AM


And I think it's presumptuous to think that the three guys on the roster now are going to be the 3 guys on opening day.

Your argument amounts to you taking exception to the verbage of one man's post. I'll give you credit for waking up the blog a bit, but this is a waste of time.

So what say we postpone this debate for training camp, agreed?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Re-sign J Campbell, K Golston, A Montgomery, C Wilson, R McIntosh, R Doughty, and L Jones.

The rest of that list can go out and discover the joys of the free market.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 16, 2010 4:58 PM


Agreed! Who does everyone think we are going to cut loose...ARE, A. Carter, Moss, etc.

Posted by: mhartz1 | February 17, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

You argue that we should bring in someone to start for a season that knows Shannahans offense, but there is no free agent out there who fits that description is there?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse


Patrick Ramsey, David Carr and Rex Grossman are all UFAs.

All of them have played for Kyle or Mike Shanny.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

p1funk is right we don't "need" JC. Actually we don't "need" any players on the current roster.

I do think the best option the team has regarding Campbell would be to extend him an offer.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 17, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell and the "is he/isn't he, he can/he can" thing again???

I guess its that time of year for "spot posting" only.

I dig a lot of opinions up here, but I can't do the Campbell sucks/mediocre/good debate anymore.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

That's just wrong. Plain and simple. I have no frickin clue what I'm going to get from JC in Shanny's offense. He's never played with them and he's never run their offense.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:52 AM


Dude, he's playing with the same guys. He's already got a history and a chemistry with Cooley and Thomas and Moss, running an offense that at worst is a 2nd cousin to the one we ran last year. Hardly a complete overhaul.

Seriously, let's move on from this. Talking about this before preseason is moot.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

But I think it's presumptuous and irrational to anoint JC as our "best" guy for next year. He doesn't know the coaches, he doesn't know their offense, and he's been an all-around mediocre QB throughout his career.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I think you are still struggling to understand the economics behind keeping JC. JC whether you like him or not has value and should be kept. You do not just dump him off on the street corner because he "can't read defenses durr hurr".

If you hate JC this is what makes sense:

JC needs to be tendered at the level of a first round pick. You do not let him go for a third rounder or a second rounder. Doing so only eliminates the possibility of him ever driving up his trade value. If some other team takes him then good we get a first round pick. If not then we play him next year. The reason you play him instead of starting a rookie is so you can give him a chance to drive up his trade value. If he has a great year then he would have driven up his trade value. Then you resign then trade him for a high pick. If he drives down his trade vlaue then you sign him and trade him for a lower round pick in 2011. So either way you are getting at least 1 pick for him.

The advantage that JC has over every QB that you mentioned is simple. We already have JC. JC has more value than any of those QBs because he is still viewed as a potential longterm starter. Rosenfels, Ramsey, Garcia, or any of those other guys have zero value. You do not replace something of value with something of zero value. That is just plain stupid.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Patrick Ramsey, David Carr and Rex Grossman are all UFAs.

All of them have played for Kyle or Mike Shanny.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:57 AM


Surely you'll excuse me if the thought of those names atop our QB depth chart doesn't give me a mind boner...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Your argument amounts to you taking exception to the verbage of one man's post. I'll give you credit for waking up the blog a bit, but this is a waste of time.

So what say we postpone this debate for training camp, agreed?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse


Well, if I'm being accussed of taking someone's words at face value and then disagreeing, then I'll plead "guilty".

Yes, I'm tired of the JC debate. And I'm happy to put a moratorium on it until training camp.

At the same time I'd honestly like to know what the JC apologists are thinking b/c they tend to hoot and holler about him without presenting much of a case.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Redskins not giving up on Portis
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 17, 2010 10:41 AM ET

Redskins running backs coach Bobby Turner has watched most of Clinton Portis' games from last season, and he likes what he sees.

"Oh, he definitely has something left," Turner said before mentioning how excited he was a member of the Broncos staff to draft Portis back in 2002.

Portis was a different player then, but Turner's comments indicate that Lavar Arrington's favorite dude will get a chance to make the Redskins in training camp this season. Washington owes Portis $6.43 million guaranteed whether Portis makes the team or not.

Portis' non-guaranteed 2011 salary and lack of big plays will make it difficult for Portis to stick for long, and he still has to work to do to win the team's starting job this year.

Look for the Redskins to add competition for Portis through the draft or free agency.

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"I think there's some merit to bringing in some other Shanny guys like Grossman, Carr, Ramsey or Rosenfels."

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse


Grossman, was a backup for Jr. for one season.
David Carr was never in an offense directed by either of the two, left Texas before Kyle was a QB coach there.
Ramsey- 3rd string backup for 2 years in Sr.'s offense.

Rosenfels- Only guy on this list that actually has played one of the coaches (Kyle), but he is also under contract right now with Minnisota, we would have to trade something for him.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Kinda old news, but maybe this will change the subject...from PFT:

Redskins not giving up on Portis
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 17, 2010 10:41 AM ET
New Redskins running backs coach Bobby Turner has watched most of Clinton Portis' games from last season, and he likes what he sees.

"Oh, he definitely has something left," Turner said before mentioning how excited he was a member of the Broncos staff to draft Portis back in 2002.

Portis was a much different player then, but Turner's comments indicate that Lavar Arrington's favorite dude will get a chance to make the Redskins in training camp. Washington owes Portis $6.43 million guaranteed whether Portis makes the team or not.

Portis' non-guaranteed 2011 salary and lack of big plays will make it difficult for Portis to stick for long, and he still has to work to do to win the team's starting job this year.

Look for the Redskins to add competition for Portis through the draft or free agency.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Who would be the third or fourth best rated C/G?

Posted by: DCinSD | February 17, 2010 10:37 AM

Jon Asomoaugh G from Illinois IMO

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 10:44 AM

I like Asamoah but my pick if available would be Vladimir Ducasse from UMASS. He projects as a RT or OG.

Other guys
Mike Johnson SR 6-5/306/- Alabama
John Jerry SR 6-5/332/- Mississippi
Brandon Carter SR 6-6/356/- Texas Tech
Sergio Render SR 6-3/313/- Virginia Tech

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

p1funk is right we don't "need" JC. Actually we don't "need" any players on the current roster.

I do think the best option the team has regarding Campbell would be to extend him an offer.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 17, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse


Thank you.

This was a 4-12 team.

If we can stop talking about the guys like we're breaking up a Superbowl dynasty, I think we can have more reasonable and enlightening discussions...

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I noticed on alot of boards and sites that the Rams are looking pretty serious at Bradford as the #1. Clausen is dropping I hear since he wont perform at Combine.

Should get interesting.

Posted by: mhartz1 | February 17, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

At the same time I'd honestly like to know what the JC apologists are thinking b/c they tend to hoot and holler about him without presenting much of a case.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 11:01 AM


What case is there to present?

He's a middle of the road QB. You keep him one more year because it's easier to do worse than it is to do better.

For as much bad (not mediocre, BAD) QB play as we've seen here, that should be case enough.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Surely you'll excuse me if the thought of those names atop our QB depth chart doesn't give me a mind boner...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse


Fine.

You are perfectly free to save your wad for Jason Campbell.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The advantage that JC has over every QB that you mentioned is simple. We already have JC. JC has more value than any of those QBs because he is still viewed as a potential longterm starter. Rosenfels, Ramsey, Garcia, or any of those other guys have zero value. You do not replace something of value with something of zero value. That is just plain stupid.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Makes sense to me. How about you brownwood?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Grossman, was a backup for Jr. for one season.
David Carr was never in an offense directed by either of the two, left Texas before Kyle was a QB coach there.
Ramsey- 3rd string backup for 2 years in Sr.'s offense.

Rosenfels- Only guy on this list that actually has played one of the coaches (Kyle), but he is also under contract right now with Minnisota, we would have to trade something for him.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse


I remember JohnDHouston letting us know that Carr and Kyle did work together in Houston for at least part of a season.

I wonder if Minny would be open to a Sage Rosenfels - Jason Campbell swap...

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I noticed on alot of boards and sites that the Rams are looking pretty serious at Bradford as the #1. Clausen is dropping I hear since he wont perform at Combine.

Should get interesting.

Posted by: mhartz1 | February 17, 2010 11:06 AM


I hope to God this is true...if Bradford is out of play at #4, it pretty much makes it a lock they go OT with the pick.

Then they can take LeFevour in the 4th.

Can't wait for draft day...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I noticed on alot of boards and sites that the Rams are looking pretty serious at Bradford as the #1. Clausen is dropping I hear since he wont perform at Combine.

Should get interesting.

Posted by: mhartz1 | February 17, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I also heard that Claussen is going to drop because of his height. I don't know how true this is but supposedly he's really only 6'0'' or 6'1''.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I like Asamoah but my pick if available would be Vladimir Ducasse from UMASS. He projects as a RT or OG.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 11:05 AM

I think Ducasse has more upside than Asamoah, becaue like you say he can play RT. Making a switch to guard I think may be difficult for him at first because he's new to the game, playing against better competition, and making a switch to a new position (I don't think he's played guard before). Having said that I wouldn't be upset if Ducasse joined the Redskins.

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

JC has more value than any of those QBs because he is still viewed as a potential longterm starter. Rosenfels, Ramsey, Garcia, or any of those other guys have zero value. You do not replace something of value with something of zero value. That is just plain stupid.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse


PA we all know that you view JC as a potential long-term starter.

I've yet to hear those words from our coaches, so unless you've had some private conversations with them that we don't know about, you'll forgive me for not taking your personal view as a foundational assumption.

Besides, you don't need to assume that bringing in a Shanny-familiar backup means we get rid of JC altogether.

I never said that.

...for Pete's sake, all I said is that I don't think we "need" JC or that he's our "best" option.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

p1funk--

We need JC for next year for the following reasons--

1. There is no better qb on the team--plz nobody bring up colt--
2. There is no better qb currently available on the FA market--
3. Skins can not afford to trade precious draft picks to get a qb, unless we are talking major upgrade, which will benefit the team for at least 5 years--therefore, no mcnabb
4. Rosenfels, Carr, et al are on par with JC, maybe slightly better, slightly worse, but there is no discernable difference, so I wouldn't call any of them an upgrade.

Posted by: BigE44 | February 17, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I remember JohnDHouston letting us know that Carr and Kyle did work together in Houston for at least part of a season.

I wonder if Minny would be open to a Sage Rosenfels - Jason Campbell swap...

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Carr left in the end of 06. Kyle was there as a WR coach in 06, Became a QB coach in 07. So maybe for a little bit of the off season they worked together, but at this point its probably the same amount as he has worked with Campbell.

You want to trade a guy with 52 starts for an older guy with 12 starts?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I also heard that Claussen is going to drop because of his height. I don't know how true this is but supposedly he's really only 6'0'' or 6'1''.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 11:11 AM

Its worse than you've heard. He's only 6 inches ... and he is a popular brand of pickle.

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Haha, well played Sween.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Lots of peeps got excited about Ducasse, but he got pwned in pass protection during the practices leading up to, as well as the game of, the Senior Bowl (as did Iupati).

The supposed "model" for the Shanahan lineman is a fast and comparatively lighter guy who excels in pass protection (because the rush blocking in the Shanahan zone blocking regimen is supposedly simple and requires 'faster' rather than 'mauler.').

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I know we need a tested and consistantly producing quarterback, no one even mentions Michael Vick as an option for the Skins... Wonder why? If Jason is not doing it, and we don't want to do a start over with a rookie draft pick, why not!!

Posted by: mykskiman | February 17, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I know we need a tested and consistantly producing quarterback, no one even mentions Michael Vick as an option for the Skins... Wonder why? If Jason is not doing it, and we don't want to do a start over with a rookie draft pick, why not!!

Posted by: mykskiman | February 17, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Is he a free agent or just on the trading block? I thought the latter, and I hear that the iggles are shopping Kolb as well.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

--plz nobody bring up colt--

Posted by: BigE44 | February 17, 2010 11:17 AM

Wait, you mean next season's most popular Skin? The guy who this place will slobber over based on a couple of second halfs of preseason play? That guy?

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

--plz nobody bring up colt--

Posted by: BigE44 | February 17, 2010 11:17 AM

We need a Remington on the team.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

JC has more value than any of those QBs because he is still viewed as a potential longterm starter. Rosenfels, Ramsey, Garcia, or any of those other guys have zero value. You do not replace something of value with something of zero value. That is just plain stupid.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse


PA we all know that you view JC as a potential long-term starter.

I've yet to hear those words from our coaches, so unless you've had some private conversations with them that we don't know about, you'll forgive me for not taking your personal view as a foundational assumption.

Besides, you don't need to assume that bringing in a Shanny-familiar backup means we get rid of JC altogether.

I never said that.

...for Pete's sake, all I said is that I don't think we "need" JC or that he's our "best" option.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 11:17 AM
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So why not keep Campbell and sign Grossman - have an open competition at the beginning of the season. Minnesota might release Rosenfels and there is another option. I think he was a stop-gap in case the couldn't get Favre and the weren't sure about Jackson. They found out last preseason that Jackson was a better fit for their offense and they soured on Rosenfels. If they can't trade him, they cut him and will probably draft a QB for competition with Jackson. Either Rosenfels or Grossman with Campbell resigned. Then let Todd Collins go. See how Brennan stacks up when competing with two vets.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I know we need a tested and consistantly producing quarterback, no one even mentions Michael Vick as an option for the Skins... Wonder why? If Jason is not doing it, and we don't want to do a start over with a rookie draft pick, why not!!

Posted by: mykskiman | February 17, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Here are a couple reasons why not.
-you'd have to trade for him.
-he's not as fast as he was
-he was never that great of a WC qb.

Kolb would be a better option if you want to trade with Philly.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 17, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I know we need a tested and consistantly producing quarterback, no one even mentions Michael Vick as an option for the Skins... Wonder why? If Jason is not doing it, and we don't want to do a start over with a rookie draft pick, why not!!

Posted by: mykskiman | February 17, 2010 11:25 AM


That round peg (Vick) has been jammed in that square hole (the WCO) before and the results weren't good. So pass on Vick and the PETA clowns coming to FedEx.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Based on the latest round of updates on some of the draft mockery sites, projections are changing around at the top of the draft ... based on a projection that (1) Gerald McCoy will go before Ndamakong Suh and (2) that the Rams will not take the best player at position but rather a Bulger replacement ... which I think might mean that one of the teams that picks between slots 6 through 9 could actually be interest in trading up to Number 4, either for the unpicked QB (Bradford or Clausen) or for Suh ... which would be good for the Skins (esp. if the Rams take Bradford).

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 17, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

All you JC17 haters need to understand it's not the dude's fault that he is such an inept quarterback. Recall last season:

After being handed the starter's job with no real competition or apparent need to prepare for the season ahead, he took most of the pre-season off to make sure that he would be "fresh" for the games that "really counted."

He then spent at least the first third of the regular season "trying to find his rhythm." The result -- no offensive production, some close losses to some pretty sad teams, and a couple of minor wins, courtesy of the field goal kicker. Despite a few flashy plays, for the most part, the offense couldn't find the endzone if their life and livelihood depended on it, even if you leashed a pack of seeing eye dogs to the entire unit.

JC17 then spent the next third of the season "trying to find something or someone to play for." These games were typically characterized by the other teams jumping out to big early leads, while the Redskin offensive unit looked out of sinc and downright clueless at times. JC17 would usually help the other team with an easy interception or fumble that would lead to points for the opposition. Then JC17 and his offensive squad would retire to the locker room at halftime and somehow decide that they might just need to come out and play the second half or something, at least so long as they were there anyway. So they'd start the second half with a half-respectable drive or two... before lapsing back into their lacksadaisical ways and sleep walking to another series of losses.

The final third of the season was given over to the payers "blaming others" for their own lack of performance and inability to get it done. Among the many excuses: too many injuries, a patchwork line, an ineffective ground game, a non-existent passing game, poor play calling, and turmoil in the coaching staff. But despite calling everyone else out, no one ever seemed to take responsibility for their own play and actions on and off the field. Again, another series of losses ensued.

Was this lost season entirely the fault of JC17 and his happy band of losers? No, of course not. He was only the guy taking most of the snaps, and failing to execute most of the plays.

But what in this long litany of loss stacked upon loss makes JC17 so needed, wanted or even tolerated for yet another year of failure? Get rid of the bum now!

Posted by: Vic1 | February 17, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

top ranked G prospects for draft

1 Mike Iupati, Idaho
2 Mike Johnson, Alabama
3 Vladimir Ducasse, UMass
4 Mitch Petrus, Arkansas
5 Jon Asamoah, Illinois
6 John Jerry, Ole Miss
7 Jeff Byers, USC
8 Sergio Render, Virginia Tech
9 Thomas Austin, Clemson
10 Brandon Carter, Texas Tech
11 Marshall Newhouse, TCU
12 Shawn Lauvao, Arizona State
13 Cord Howard, Georgia Tech
14 Matt McCracken, Richmond
16 Reggie Stephens, Iowa State

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 17, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

PA we all know that you view JC as a potential long-term starter.

I've yet to hear those words from our coaches, so unless you've had some private conversations with them that we don't know about, you'll forgive me for not taking your personal view as a foundational assumption.

Besides, you don't need to assume that bringing in a Shanny-familiar backup means we get rid of JC altogether.

I never said that.

...for Pete's sake, all I said is that I don't think we "need" JC or that he's our "best" option.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse


Whether or not me or our coaches think he's a long term starter is irrelevent. Your opinion doesn't matter either. Why don't read a couple articles on the free agent QBs. You'll see Campbell ranked 1-3. Most of those articles will state something to the effect that Campbell is young and can be good on the right team. Because of this general opinion he now has trade value. If even 1 GM out there shares this opinion then he has value.


Once again, stating that we don't need him implies that we can get rid of him. We are saying that we do need him because of his trade value. So we are saying that your statement is wrong. Any scenario in which we bring him back means that we do need him so if you present a scenario in which he is kept then you are admitting that you were wrong about us not needing him. So you have to provide a scenario that is gets rid of JC and is better for the team in the long run. You will find that the best long term decision is for the team to tender him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

But what in this long litany of loss stacked upon loss makes JC17 so needed, wanted or even tolerated for yet another year of failure? Get rid of the bum now!

Posted by: Vic1 | February 17, 2010 11:43 AM
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Believe me, I am not a Campbell apologist, but I think it would be wrong to let Campbell go. Maybe if they could orchestrate a trade things might be a little different, but the things that disappoint you about Campbell are the very things that are making other teams say "buyer beware" and I am doubtful that the team would get any real trade value out of him. AND, as miserable as Campbell is, he is still better today than any of those QB's coming out of college will be on day one. PLUS, the team should be focused on fixing the o-line this season. They are not going to the big show and as the o-linemen learn there are going to be growing pains that you would not want to levy on some rookie QB. I say let Campbell take those hits. Shanahan will tailor the plays to Campbell's strengths and Campbell will perform better. If the team can grab a developmental QB in the lower rounds of the draft and coach him up, maybe he will be ready by the beginning of next season and the team can finally say good-bye to Campbell.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"6 John Jerry, Ole Miss"



This guy is an excellent player.

He and M Pouncey are two guys I'd love to see as redskins.

In fact, if the team takes Bradford/Clausen at 4, Ducasse in 2, and Jerry in 4 (or B Tate) would be nice.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

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