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Redskins Hire Offensive Consultant

Not happy with the team's offensive production through the first four games, the Redskins made perhaps their biggest offensive move since hiring Coach Jim Zorn -- bringing on a consultant to help Zorn run his offense.

The team announced today that it has retained the services of Sherm Lewis as an offensive consultant. Lewis has been out of the league since 2004, but previously worked for Detroit (2002-04), Minnesota (2000-01), Green Bay (1992-99) and San Francisco (1983-88) -- all in offensive capacities.

"Sherm's history started with the innovator of the West Coast Offense, Bill Walsh, and over the past two decades he has directed some of the best offenses, and coached and developed some of the league's premier players," Vinny Cerrato, the team's executive vice president of football operations, said in a statement. "He has a diverse NFL background, having coached running backs, wide receivers, and serving as a coordinator. Jim and Sherman share a common bond in that they both worked for Mike Holmgren at different times in their careers. Sherman 's overall experience and expertise will be a tremendous addition to our coaching staff. His track record humbles us all."

Lewis made a name for himself with the Packers, where he won a Super Bowl ring in 1996. The offensive success there made Lewis' name a popular one for head coaching jobs around the league, though he was never hired. One of the knocks against him at the time was that Lewis wasn't the primary play-caller for those potent offenses.

Coming from the Walsh tree, Lewis is more than familiar with the West Coast offense, and he'll look to improve the Redskins' version of it here as soon as possible. With the Packers, Lewis had the luxury of quarterback Brett Favre and receiver Sterling Sharpe -- he also worked alongside coaches Mike Holmgren and Jon Gruden. Those Green Bay teams made the playoffs six times in Lewis' eight years as offensive coordinator there.

"The Redskins contacted me and told me they wanted a fresh set of eyes, and I intend to provide just that," Lewis said in a statement released by the team. "I am grateful to join this offensive team and an organization with such a great tradition.  I am looking forward to working with Jim Zorn, Sherman Smith, Joe Bugel and the rest of the coaching staff."

As for Zorn, time will tell what today's hire means.

"We're happy to have Sherm's set of eyes and voice to help us as we continue to find ways to create success on offense," Zorn said in a statement. "I am excited to have him on the staff and welcome his input."

Lewis was en route to Ashburn this evening and is expected to be at Redskins Park Wednesday when the team gathers to begin installing its gameplan for the Carolina Panthers.

By Rick Maese  |  October 6, 2009; 5:35 PM ET
 
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Comments

Planting the seeds for Holmgrens arrival?!?

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

first

Posted by: hcic55 | October 6, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

As you can see...no prizes, or bells & whistles for the first posting...so maybe you all can stop with all that first nonsense...

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse


way to undermine the z-man

Posted by: jonthefisherman | October 6, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh...yes, JZ, those are footsteps behind you.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | October 6, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

thats what I was thinking, but as GM or coach

Posted by: hcic55 | October 6, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Sherman Lewis
Sherman Smith
Sherman Hemsley
Chuck Sherman (The Shermanator)

Posted by: 4-12 | October 6, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

"His track record humbles us all."

JZ's track record stumbles and falls.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | October 6, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

no prizes? damn

Posted by: hcic55 | October 6, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Planting the seeds for Holmgrens arrival?!?

Posted by: Maestro301 |

ding ding!

no doubt just trying to have a seamless transition.

Posted by: jonthefisherman | October 6, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow hcic55....you actually felt the need to post "first" then come back to comment on the story??? Off yourself now please...

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

easy tough guy, its a blog no one can see how manly you realy are.

Posted by: hcic55 | October 6, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Sherm's duties as an offensive coordinator under Holmgren, Green, and Mooch apparently consisted of helping the head coach draw up plays, and being someone for them to bounce ideas off of. In this role, he was highly respected.

Under Ray Rhodes in Green Bay, he was in charge of drawing up the offensive game plans, scripting the plays, and calling the plays thereafter, and making adjustments on offense. In this role he did not do very well at all.
________________________________

Great, someone else who can't call plays.

Posted by: will_ga | October 6, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe we're doing this AGAIN.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 6, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I understand you can't see how manly I am...but we can see how much of a idiot you are...

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Still, help is help and maybe Zorn will benefit from this guy being here.

Posted by: will_ga | October 6, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

how so

Posted by: hcic55 | October 6, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Al Saunders isn't available? I hope this Sherman guy tells them to fix the damn O-line.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 6, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'd be more happy if Sherm could block.

Posted by: will_ga | October 6, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Wow hcic55....you actually felt the need to post "first" then come back to comment on the story??? Off yourself now please...

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 5:44 PM

Nuff said...

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Great, more "offense by committee". At least try a couple of no-huddle series' and see what Campbell's own play calling leads to. He's been reasonably effective at that.

Posted by: pyrotech | October 6, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I understand you can't see how manly I am...but we can see how much of a idiot you are...

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 5:48 PM

Why you trying to buck tradition? Calling first is a old as the blog itself.

oh and uh...|http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/How+it+feels+to+be+called+an+idiot+on+RI

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Welcome new offensive consultan-coordina-coach Sherm!

Bye Zorn!

Posted by: jbanks979 | October 6, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis moving in now?!?!?! Looks like Zorn's time is coming up soon. Everyone keeps saying how none of the big name coaches will come in mid season because they want to have their staff in there.... Well it looks like you bring Sherm in as a "consultant" and during the bye week, fire zorn and hire holmgren without, in theory, missing a beat? Blanche already has been with holmgren and, once again in theory, all the the terminalogy should all be the same so should be a smooth transition during the bye week


Posted by: PanteraCFH | October 6, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

can he block, catch, or throw???

Posted by: Burrasta1 | October 6, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

settle down maestro, bad day @ work? wife leave you? ITS A BLOG!

Posted by: hcic55 | October 6, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

This is a walk down memory lane:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/23/sports/pro-football-redskins-slipping-away-from-spurrier.html

"After a 3-1 start, Washington is 3-4, having lost its last two games by 35-13 at home to Tampa Bay and by 24-7 at Buffalo. It was after the Buffalo game on Sunday that Spurrier said that his team was not giving maximum effort and that he might ''go on the street and pick up guys who will play hard.'' A day later Spurrier backed off those comments, saying they were an ''on-the-moment thought.''

Then the Redskins announced on Monday that Foge Fazio would work as a consultant with the defense and that Joe Bugel would work with the offense as a consultant. Spurrier, while certainly being gracious about the arrangement, made it clear that the idea originated from the Redskins' owner, Dan Snyder, and Cerrato.

''We have a head coach who starts sentences off with, 'If it's O.K. with the owner, I'm going to . . . ' do this and that before he talks about his actions and cuts, a head coach who doesn't know about players already cut, and now we're bringing in consultants in what is supposed to be his area of expertise,'' said one Redskins player who spoke on condition of anonymity. ''How does that not negatively affect your other coaches, especially the coordinators, when you hire consultants in the middle of the season?'"

Seriously, you'd think after all these years, the organization would see their own pattern of futility. I can't take it anymore. I CAN'T F***ING TAKE IT!!

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 6, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for giving Zorn some help.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Kind of like when the Redskins hired Bugel in 2003 to help The Ol' Ball Coach as a "consultant".

Wasn't there something during the 2008 Presidential Campaign about lipsticks and pigs? (uh, Hogs)

Posted by: PDiddy | October 6, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

kenbreatrizz...great minds think alike :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | October 6, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey Maestro, try this out, you seem like you need a good laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hrsZ2hm8K4&feature=related

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

will he get us off the field on 3rd down? pancake some dude, have some yac, ect. if not don't we have to worry that too many cooks spoil the soup??? remember how many coaches and consaltants Gibbs 2.0 had... they couldn't score either.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | October 6, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Buck tradition?....wow

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis, mike Holmgren, Ron Wolfe. One can dream

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Bout time...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Buck tradition?....wow

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 6:01 PM |

You ain't from around these parts are ya boy? There's plenty of crap to b!tch about around here. Calling first is the least of 'em.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis, mike Holmgren, Ron Wolfe. One can dream

Posted by: TWISI

Insert Brett Favre and you've got a party.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 6, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

learning from the past tendencies??? what are you guys educated or something??? we should prepare the red carpet for the new coach... Shanahan or holmgren or some other west coast guy

Posted by: Burrasta1 | October 6, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Statement from Sherm Lewis:
"what the f am I supposed to do with this?"

Posted by: jspin77 | October 6, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

This may be exactly what Zorn needs, an outside, unbias source to inform the Z man that what he is doing, 'is not working'. Maybe zorn will be willing to listen and adjust certain things to become more productive on offense.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 6, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

One and done for Khary Campbell
Posted by Mike Florio on October 6, 2009 5:13 PM ET
Last week, the Texans signed veteran linebacker Khary Campbell. Per NFLPA record, he received a prorated base salary of $745,000. (With three games already played, it works out to roughly $613,000.)

And now, after only one game, Campbell is on injured reserve with a knee injury. The Texans announced the move earlier this afternoon.

Campbell will receive the balance of his base salary.

The Texans filled the roster spot by elevating rookie defensive end Tim Jamison from the practice squad.


Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

for all of you FIRST! posters...haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciG-Xs7mBwU

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

megalomaniac owner, terribly incompetent GM, coach way in over his head, money grabbing players who think we're the most talented team in the world......
---You ain't from around these parts are ya boy? There's plenty of crap to b!tch about around here. Calling first is the least of 'em.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse
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Posted by: hcic55 | October 6, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"We're happy to have Sherm's set of eyes and voice to help us as we continue to find ways to create success on offense," Zorn said in a statement. "I am excited to have him on the staff and welcome his input."

....why do I get the feeling this statement "from Zorn" was written on Snyder's letterhead?

Posted by: Alan4 | October 6, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Statement from Sherm Lewis:
"what the f am I supposed to do with this?"

Posted by: jspin77 | October 6, 2009 6:08 PM
response from Zorn... gee wiz. just keep it medium.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | October 6, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Lewis’ experience with receivers might help the Redskins speed the development of Malcom Kelly, Devin Thomas and Fred Davis, the three players chosen in the second round of the 2008 draft. None produced as rookies and the three combined this year have 10 receptions for 82 yards and no touchdowns.

In San Francisco, Lewis worked with Jerry Rice and John Taylor. In Minnesota? Randy Moss and Cris Carter.

From Redskins.com

I heard Chick Hernandez on the Sports Reporters today. He mentioned how much difficulty Kelley was having beating the jam at the LOS. If Sherm can pass on any ideas to get the rookies going, I'd be ecstatic.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

To be honest, one coach that I really wouldn't mind bringing in is Jon Gruden. The main reason I say this is because it has been a long time that people on this team have had a coach that will motivate it's players to an all time high. Not to disrespect Gibbs in any way, but.... Gibbs 2.0 didn't have the same motivation in his players that Gibbs 1.0 did. Gruden won't take the crap that Zorn says medium about. Instead of losing to the Lions and stating that we are improving, Gruden would have called out those players the same way that Blache got into the heads of the defensive players by throwing himself under the bus and motivating them to not let down their coach again. We need someone who can motivate this team to come together. Haynesworth was right, at least I think, when he stated that they are playing like a group of talented individuals and not like a team. Leadership that Zorn just doesn't have

Posted by: PanteraCFH | October 6, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

As you can see...no prizes, or bells & whistles for the first posting...so maybe you all can stop with all that first nonsense...

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse


TOO Funny!!!, you beat that troll by a minute!!

Posted by: smtpgirl08 | October 6, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

To be honest, one coach that I really wouldn't mind bringing in is Jon Gruden. The main reason I say this is because it has been a long time that people on this team have had a coach that will motivate it's players to an all time high. Not to disrespect Gibbs in any way, but.... Gibbs 2.0 didn't have the same motivation in his players that Gibbs 1.0 did. Gruden won't take the crap that Zorn says medium about. Instead of losing to the Lions and stating that we are improving, Gruden would have called out those players the same way that Blache got into the heads of the defensive players by throwing himself under the bus and motivating them to not let down their coach again. We need someone who can motivate this team to come together. Haynesworth was right, at least I think, when he stated that they are playing like a group of talented individuals and not like a team. Leadership that Zorn just doesn't have

Posted by: PanteraCFH | October 6, 2009 6:12 PM

i agree, someone that could get them to play together and show heart, or at least the fear that they might lose thier job.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | October 6, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

OH, NOOOOO!!!

WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO POOR JC????

BOO HOO HOO ...

Posted by: hock1 | October 6, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

for all of you FIRST! posters...haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciG-Xs7mBwU

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 6:09 PM |

What's really sad is that first is such a big deal to you that you took time to find a youtube video about it. What does that say about you? What's just as sad is that I'm arguing with you about it. Peace out pillow biter.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I've already sent in my pitch for the Redskins to name me Vice President of 4th & Goal.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 6, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for giving Zorn some help.

Posted by: scampbell1975


yeah, like help packing his bags!

Posted by: Predator48 | October 6, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

i'll vote for you if you run left ever freakin time.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | October 6, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for giving Zorn some help.

Posted by: scampbell1975


yeah, like help packing his bags!

Posted by: Predator48 | October 6, 2009 6:19 PM |

Whatever it takes to win consistently.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

This is just Vinny and Danny interferring with Jim Zorn's attempt to run the team. The problem is that Stephan Heyer and Chad Reinhart are not NFL quality linemen. Until Dan Snyer hires a personnel guy and the personnel guy brings in an offensive line, there will be nothing. Everyone blaims Clinton Portis, Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell. They cannot run or pass without blocking and receivers. Danny you need to fire Vinny.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | October 6, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

This is just Vinny and Danny interferring with Jim Zorn's attempt to run the team. The problem is that Stephan Heyer and Chad Reinhart are not NFL quality linemen. Until Dan Snyer hires a personnel guy and the personnel guy brings in an offensive line, there will be nothing. Everyone blaims Clinton Portis, Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell. They cannot run or pass without blocking and receivers. Danny you need to fire Vinny.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | October 6, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

If Zorn really is down with this, I like it. If this is undermining Zorn, it ultimately undermines the offense and will likely lead to another coach soon and a continuation of 10 years of instability.

This is either a creative idea, or a continuation of instability. I sincerely hope it's the former and not more of the latter.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 6, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Why would the genius need help?

Posted by: jmy999 | October 6, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Please skins fans, find another team. One thats guaranteed to go 11-5 or better and always make the conference championship. You are not skins fans. Too much negativity from these bloggers. Real fans dont spend all of there free time trashing their team on a blog every chance they get. I hope they go 4-12 so you fake fans can jump ship once and for all. But dont come back when they win. Anyone can be a fan of a winning team. Just root for the Steelers or Patriots or Colts. That way you can always be happy with your team. Root for the ravens.... They win now.

Posted by: ged0386 | October 6, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

What's really sad is that first is such a big deal to you that you took time to find a youtube video about it. What does that say about you? What's just as sad is that I'm arguing with you about it. Peace out pillow biter.

This coming from a dude who posted his own youtube link hahaha...and who tried to tell me it's "tradition" to post "first"...the video just points out how meaningless your life is...

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if we moved back in time 10 years, this would be an ok thing. He's been out of football for 5 years. This is just plain stupid.

The skins will never win as long as Snyder is owner. Cerrato is the worst GM sports have ever known.

Nice job making us the laughing stock of the NFL.

Posted by: MississippiSkinsFan | October 6, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if Zorn is down with this.
He is not very good.
His offense is like high school football.

Posted by: jmy999 | October 6, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

PanteraCFH: Gibbs was motivated only thing it was the wrong motivation he was motivated by Synders money to fund his NASCAR TEAM think about it he was terrible the second time around,he was not motivated at all concerning this team only interested in getting cash for Nascar.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 6, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis has been out of the league for 5 years. This is all so sad.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 6, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

What's really sad is that first is such a big deal to you that you took time to find a youtube video about it. What does that say about you? What's just as sad is that I'm arguing with you about it. Peace out pillow biter.

This coming from a dude who posted his own youtube link hahaha...and who tried to tell me it's "tradition" to post "first"...the video just points out how meaningless your life is...

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 6:25 PM |

Just what we need another phukstick dooshbag with nothing to really add but some bs attacks on hapless bloggers. Go back to shooting salad a$$phuk.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

this is how i imagine Zorn was told about this...

Vinny- the master will see you now
JZ- now?? rightnow???
V- yes just go in and sit down
jz- who me?
V-yes you
JZ- well i didn't know you were talking to me becuase you were looking over there.

JZ enters and sits on the dunce chair that all coaches sit on, then straps on his pointy hat

Snyder- we are bringing in this consultant to help get the offence up and ... well not running that isn't exciting enough.

JZ- but i thought i was the coach???
S- you are, its just that we think you could use some help
jz- what is that sluping noise???
s-what noise?
Vinny stands up from behind the desk... his name is sherman....

Posted by: Burrasta1 | October 6, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

not trying to be negative ged, I've grown up loving this team, never missed a game, and have spent the better part of the past 2 decades listening to taunts from cowgirl fans. I hate bandwagon types. the skins are just serving the fans s@#t cakes and expecting us to devour them with a smile

Posted by: hcic55 | October 6, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Just root for the Steelers or Patriots or Colts. That way you can always be happy with your team. Root for the ravens.... They win now.

Posted by: ged0386

Larry Michael strikes again!

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 6, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

this is how i imagine Zorn was told about this...

Vinny- the master will see you now
JZ- now?? rightnow???
V- yes just go in and sit down
jz- who me?
V-yes you
JZ- well i didn't know you were talking to me becuase you were looking over there.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | October 6, 2009 6:33 PM |

I found this part quite funny...I'm not sure why.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

It's funny, it reminds me of that movie Office Space. Initech is failing, so what do you do? Bring In Consultants! Another set of eyes can't really hurt as long as Zorn was actually cool with the move.

ged0386: Real fans won't leave, they'll stay and gripe, as is their right. Jumping ship is no fun, and besides, you'll never really experience the joy of success without having to go through the pain of failure.

Posted by: walkdwalk | October 6, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if Zorn is down with this.
He is not very good.
His offense is like high school football.

Posted by: jmy999 | October 6, 2009 6:26 PM


This kind of thinking is why we've had 6 coaches in the past 10 years. None of them had teams that scored many points... all high school? The SB Steelers have had 3 coaches since 1964.

Stability counts.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 6, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

This is the first cut, to Zorn's throat.

Now the "Lame-Duck" Zorn will most definitely loose the locker room now.

My God Snyder, is a idiot.

Posted by: dashriprock | October 6, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

If this means wins, we have no problem. I'd like to see if he can assist Zorn with maximizing what talent we have.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 6, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I've decided to take the long view.

According to the Mayans and Roland Emmerich the world will end quite dramatically in 2012 with John Cusack escaping LA falling into a sinkhole by driving a limo really fast and then getting in a plane and flying through falling buildings. It all seems very dramatic and catastrophic.
So compared to that how bad is our crappy playing against crappy teams in crappy wins and crappy losses really?

So come Sunday when we're laying another egg against Carolina I shall periodically watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz86TsGx3fc&feature=player_embedded

to remind me it's not all that bad.

I think we should steal the tagline and ask "Who will survive?Skins 2009"

Man no one destroys landmarks or makes fantastically awesomely bad movies like Emmerich

Posted by: sfskin | October 6, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

What the team REALLY needs is to hire a special "Ownership Consultant" who can spend a few weeks observing the owner with an "extra set of eyes", and can then offer the organization advice on how to fix the problem's with the team's owner.

Given the track record of ownership meddling and "consultants," I starting to seriously doubt that Gibbs really fired himself as offensive coordinator. I can't imagine what self respecting coach would ever agree to coach this team.

Posted by: james808d | October 6, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Alan 4...

Well said,

I don't care how many coaches you bring in you can't win ANYTHING without stability of a system.

Cowher- 13 seasons
Billick- 9 seasons
Reid- 8 seasons

What's the common denominator?

Posted by: rickyroge | October 6, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

ok. Lets take this at face value for the rest of this season. Sherm Smith will do simply what he is here to do--consult and help improve this offense. Zorn can take this in two ways:
1. freak out and lose control of this team by clashing with management and acting like a lame-duck coach with nothing to lose
OR
2. use this excellent resource (Smith) to refine his play-calling, and IMPROVE his offense significantly. let's not forget, this team, within the confines of Redskins Park, is touted as quite talented but not living up to its potential. If Zorn & Smith can find a way to considerably improve the offense, Zorn will make whatever decision Snyderrato makes at the end of the season A VERY DIFFICULT ONE.

at this point in time, that's all Zorn has going for him, and he'd be very wise to give it his all. all is not lost, we're 2-2 with a reasonable chance to be 4-2 going into a monday night game at home vs the eagles.

Posted by: kman2 | October 6, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

stability counts and fan support counts

it is the fans right to be whining baby know it alls, but it is also a choice

a bad choice, that in NO way helps the team that we love

best of luck to sherm sherm jim and everyone else

i hope sherm sticks, haha, sherm sticks...anyone??

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

it still amazes me how so many idiots/morons (yes, i read that un-hilarious link to the redskins wiki) think zorn is a bad coach. zorn makes aggressive calls, he tells things like they are, and he calls our players who need to be called out (except for clinton portis, we all remember how that went). what would you goons prefer? to wait 12 years for bill cowher to build a team to play in a crappy super bowl? to wait 20 years for mike shanahan to actually use a qb correctly? mike holmgren? please, seattle was a semi-decent team in a crap division.
jz is a good coach. all the players, not so much.

Posted by: BMACattack | October 6, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Sherm's first question will be, do we have a good QB? HaHa, the joke is on you.

Posted by: skinsflorida | October 6, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

please no gruden talk--he turned a superbowl team of dungy's into a mess and the players didn't respect his motivating tactics

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 6, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, you'd think after all these years, the organization would see their own pattern of futility. I can't take it anymore. I CAN'T F***ING TAKE IT!!


Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 6, 2009 5:56 PM


Agreed. This is the same deal as getting Bill Arnsparger to help the defense and getting Foge Fazio (as you mentioned) and Al Saunders. More evidence that Danny keeps applying business practices to football operations...which after 10 years STILL DOESN'T WORK!

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

All I want to know is how many pages are in his playbook.

Posted by: LouLewis | October 6, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren will be GM and Zorn will coach next year. They will just get him more and more help. You can't change the system again...they know that.

Posted by: thepinched | October 6, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Welcome, Mike Holmgren, to Washington. We hope that you and your beaver kind bring success to us all. Please don't shout at the interns.

Posted by: rucks35 | October 6, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

it's evident zorn needs help, hope it works. i like the "ownership consultant" idea james

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 6, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren will be GM and Zorn will coach next year. They will just get him more and more help. You can't change the system again...they know that.

Posted by: thepinched | October 6, 2009 7:06 PM |

Holmgren said a couple days ago that he would coach next year, that he wanted to be on the sidelines again. He missed coaching. Doesn't sound like he wants to be a GM.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

for all of you FIRST! posters...haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciG-Xs7mBwU

Posted by: Maestro301 | October 6, 2009 6:09 PM


That video is hilarious and anyone who doesn't like first posters is...completely right.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 6, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

ok. Lets take this at face value for the rest of this season. Sherm Smith will do simply what he is here to do--consult and help improve this offense. Zorn can take this in two ways....

Posted by: kman2 | October 6, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse


Sherm Smith is already here... he's our OC. Sherm Lewis is the consultant. Keep your Sherm's straight!

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | October 6, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Sherman...some free advice from The Cork.

Rent a place, don't buy.

Put the "counter" back in Counter-trey

Pull guards every so often, teams can defense stretch plays in their sleep.

Suck up to Portis. He isn't very good anymore but Danny thinks he is.

After an int. or fumble recovery, DON'T call a run left as your first play.

Play action = Satisfaction.

Use no-huddle to get defenses out of rhythm.

Put in a new running play, that way the team will have an even four running plays.

After you've read this, don't read this Blog. Most of us are idiots.

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that when we play young, drafted, and developing players like Heyer, Rinehart, Tryon, etc. people say we don't develop talent.

When we sign big time FA's they say we don't pick players to groom into solid players...

Which is it?

Posted by: rickyroge | October 6, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm not sure what to think about this other than, "welcome to the circus"

Pepper Rogers anyone....ha classic...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone imagine for a second that Zorn is in favor of this? He was staunchly defending his play calling and talking about how important it is to him today on his show.

Put it this way: put your hand up if you would be happy if your boss came in your office and said: "Here is a guy who is going to look over your shoulder and criticize what you have done while secretly reporting back to me..oops, I meant, here is an extra set of eyes that will help you improve your work".

Not one person in the world would be happy about that, neither will JZ and esp. the offensive coaches. Then the players start to wonder: should I listen to the old guy, or the new guy? Meanwhile the consultant is never going to tell Danny "everything is right here, nothing to fix" - he will just produce a long list of problems that will reinforce whatever wacky ideas Danny has now. He won't report to the owner that the real problem is someone forgot to draft an O-line and bought in big $ guys not players.

Sigh.

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 6, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Let me be the first to say...I'm a "sherm head"....

West Side foo!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 6, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

All I want to know is how many pages are in his playbook.

Posted by: LouLewis | October 6, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

My favorite post of the day

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 6, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that when we play young, drafted, and developing players like Heyer, Rinehart, Tryon, etc. people say we don't develop talent.

When we sign big time FA's they say we don't pick players to groom into solid players...

Which is it?

Posted by: rickyroge

um, prolly b/c they don't choose that great in either scenario...

and there is that issue of never really winning anything.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

"Redskins Hire Offensive Consultant"


Was this because Zorn wanted a consultant or because he was told he might need one?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

i think u answered your own question moe

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Was this because Zorn wanted a consultant or because he was told he might need one?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 7:20 PM

I read the Redskins.com articles and it seems like it was Vinny's idea.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Man no one destroys landmarks or makes fantastically awesomely bad movies like Emmerich

Posted by: sfskin |

If it wasn't for CGI, Roland would be putting on puppet shows in his backyard.

Still, I'll nut up and go see it

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Hay morons Zorn's offense sucks so who cares if they bring in help.

Stability is great when the coach has a clue this one doesn't.

The O-Line is playing fine we talked about this earlier they have given up 9 sacks and Portis is the 10th leading rusher in the league.

Zorn needs help to figure out how to setup some good short yradage plays, and needs help on how best to use his personnel.

For all you Heyer haters his given up 3 sacks this year less then Mr. Samuels on the other side.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

jmy999

"Why would the genius need help?"

I think the consultant was brought in to tell Zorn which moving van companies are the best to hire.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

ChrIs LaRrY on a 2 game losing streak....

4th on a 2 game winning streak by beating the 2 top teams in the league...

Crown Me Now...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 6, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

zorns,

If I was doing as bad at my job as Zorn is at his I would have been fired already.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Zorn stated on Redskin Nation today that he has been unble to get Anthony Aldridge into the games.=====WTF does that mean?====It'll be funny as hell when he is sitting on his couch next season and the new skins Head coach is using AA the way he should be used and AA is being very productive. ......unable to get AA into the games.....BS

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 6, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

"Cerrato said it has not been determined what Lewis' role will be.
"They'll get that figured out here in the next day," Cerrato said."

Well, at least there is a good solid plan.

Posted by: james808d | October 6, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

no doubt...tough few weeks for me 4th...marathon not a sprint. Plus I still got that beat down of you, which was my reason for joining the league.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is done. Once Snyder brings in outside consultants : (Bugel to help Spurrier, etc.) you are pretty much done.

Its the same litany over-and-over again.

Here's what I think: We need a **real** consultant other than Cerrato to teach Snyder how to be an NFL owner. I believe something like this was done when Modell transitioned ownership of the Ravens. The Ravens are successful. The Redskins are not.

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Zorn stated on Redskin Nation today that he has been unable to get Anthony Aldridge into the games.=====WTF does that mean?====It'll be funny as hell when he is sitting on his couch next season and the new skins Head coach is using AA the way he should be used and AA is being very productive. ......unable to get AA into the games.....BS

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 6, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I many Sherms is it??? I mean i never met one my whole damn life.. and now we have two.. wtf

Posted by: cocodc1 | October 6, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder and Vinny stop running the redskins like some compulsive kids playing fantasy football, I think washington will eventually become a winner.

Posted by: j_belljr | October 6, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

thecork

"Pull guards every so often, teams can defense stretch plays in their sleep."


On a serious tip, I've always liked trap/sweeps/toss plays where you pull linemen.

The skins have these plays, but don't call them as Portis doesn't follow blockers all to well.

In fact, increasingly, the worst running play is the iso lead with him following Sellars--everybody knows where the ball is going by following wherever Sellars heads.

And with his seeming to have lost a step, he doesn't have that 'one-cut' burst you need to be successful running the 'stretch'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

"Cerrato said it has not been determined what Lewis' role will be.
"They'll get that figured out here in the next day," Cerrato said."

Well, at least there is a good solid plan.

Posted by: james808d
___________

Geez, give them some time, they like to focus on overpaying and press releases first.

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 6, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

You know, Buges always likes to name his O-lines, what's our current iteration called?

I vote for Schmoe-Line.

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 6, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Find the Answer

Dateline: Washington, D.C.

Fresh off the heels of announcing the appointment of a special offensive czar, the Redskins made moves to shore up other deficiencies.

Offensive Line. Desperately in need of finding an offensive lineman who will stuff anything in its path, the Redskins have signed Rosie O'Donnell to play in place of the injured Randy Thomas. Vinnie Cerato, Czar Cazar Banks of the Redskins was proud to show Rosie with her new jersey (already with gravy stains) and she is expected to contribute significant weight and nastiness to a line that blocks no one and provides pass protection that couldn't stop a fifth grader.

Quarterback. Since he has a way of scoring even when tied up with commitments, the Redskins have announced signing David Letterman as Campbell's successor. Letterman commands the stage when he plays and has demonstrated he has the balls in more than one way.

Wide Receiver. Bernie Madoff will be allowed on work release to help the Redskins with the ability to catch whatever is thrown at him and to take it to the house. While he is rather short for a wide receiver, he does have the gift out of making something out of nothing for his team while leaving the unsuspecting empty-handed.

Punter. With the muscle pull of Hunter Smith being a game to game cliff hanger, the Redskins have signed Barrack Obama to fill in while Hunter recuperates. The Czar Czar Banks, Vinnie Cerrato, noted "That the hang time on his Olympic Flight was impressive. He kicked the teleprompter and was airborne before the 18 votes could down his punt. I've never seen anyone pull that off with so little shame."

The Redskins are still looking to find something that Carlos Roger can catch beyond a cold. Look for a Carlos Czar to be appointed to team him that two hands can hold onto something more than good time girls.

Posted by: laserwizard | October 6, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Why does the majority seem to feel this is a bad situation?

Sorry, but I have to disagree with the gen op this is negative towards the direction of the team and a diss to Zorn.

Lewis brings with him a WEALTH of knowledge, and knows WCO. While I have a few issues with some of the play calling with Zorn, he's NOT a stupid man, just overwhelmed. IMO Lewis will help to bring balance to Zorn, and anyone else who is willing to listen to someone who's been part of a winning organization.

Overall, I feel it is another small step in the right direction - which I heartily welcome!

HTTR!!!

Posted by: Southernbelle_aurora | October 6, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I can see the future, this just in from the Monday after the bye week:

Adam Schefter is quoting multiple league sources that in the wake of the Redskins loss to the Eagles yesterday Jim Zorn and Sherman Smith have been terminated and the team has promoted Greg Blache to interim head coach. Blache will retain his primary responsibility as defensive coordinator and recently hired offensive consultant will take over duties as offensive coordinator and primary play caller.

This really doesn't come as a huge surprise as Zorn's offense has been struggling all season and he has failed to bring any significant improvement to Jason Campbell's performance. Vinny Cerrato says "we feel good about Greg taking over, he has been here a long time, the guys know him and we feel good that he will be able to right the ship." However, most league observers believe that Blache is merely keeping a seat warm for the next big name coach coming to DC and most observers believe that will be Mike Shanahan who was seen at a local Morton's dining with Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato. Stay tuned.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 6, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if he's going to bring a 768 page playbook with him. Seriously, they tried this before and it didn't work. Other teams have tried similar things and it didn't work. No reason to expect it to work now. Lewis is coming because he's available and needs a job. It has nothing to do with Holmgren. In the end he may get offered the HC job. But not until the end of the season. Of course by then he may not want it.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | October 6, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

You know, Buges always likes to name his O-lines, what's our current iteration called?

I vote for Schmoe-Line.

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 6, 2009 7:36 PM |

How about the gravy train? Get paid a bucket load and don't have to do sh!t.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

"Seriously, they tried this before (bringing in a consultant) and it didn't work."


Well, admission is the first step.

The next step will be a new head coach stepping up on a podium before the three trophies St Joe earned back in the day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if he's going to bring a 768 page playbook with him. Seriously, they tried this before and it didn't work. Other teams have tried similar things and it didn't work. No reason to expect it to work now. Lewis is coming because he's available and needs a job. It has nothing to do with Holmgren. In the end he may get offered the HC job. But not until the end of the season. Of course by then he may not want it.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | October 6, 2009 7:40 PM |

The redskins didn't try this before Saunders was hired as the offensive cordinator by Gibbs and then he wasn't given the chance to run his offense because Gibbs was so conservative.

This guy is not being hired as OC he is here to help Zorn who needs as much of it as possible.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

So does this mean Snyder is Mr. Peabody?

Posted by: freakzilla | October 6, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

A Consultant??? Yeah that's what this team needs. What a joke this organization is.

Posted by: anw821 | October 6, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

If he can help us score more then 20 points I say he's worth a few Mil.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Since Sherm's been out of the NFL for 5 years, should we hire a consultant to bring him up to speed?

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 6, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Where were you all when Gibbs called up his buddy Ernie Zampese in 2004 and asked him to be his "Offensive Consultant"!!!???
Oh, and for those talking about the Ravens, who is their offensive consultant???? Could it be Al Saunders??

Posted by: dkidwell61 | October 6, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Sherm, Welcome Aboard!

There's the water cooler, there's CP, Haynesworth, 'Los, Smoot, and Hunter the Punter.

Now, let's go out and see who's at practice.

So, to let you know how things go around here, even though you've never seen us practice before, all's you gotta remember is, "We're making a lot of progress."

Just say that all the time -- no matter what, OK?

Or, every now and then, give 'em a "We're getting better."

OH, and this is Important.
On Game Days. It's different. You tell 'em "We're fightin' hard and we don't know what went wrong, but we're gonna get it Fixed."

Fans like to hear that we're fixin' stuff.

That should just about do it.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 6, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Damn y'all...

Ease up...let's see how this plays out. If we can score more points...so be it!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 6, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey, another set of eyes CAN'T be bad. I think The Danny and The Vinnie really want things to work with The Zornie and he's got a LOT on his plate.

Another set of eyes can point out some of his overlooked tendencies, etc.

It probably wont do much. I think the best thing is that Campbell started throwing pics, personally. Even pics can keep the safeties paying attention- they want a piece of the action, too, you know.

But, anyway, it can't hurt. Man, how glad are you you're not in Zorn's head right now?

The guy is gonna quit one of these days.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 6, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Fans like to hear that we're fixin' stuff.

That should just about do it.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 6, 2009 7:51 PM |

Maybe Sherm's here to come up with some new phrases like "We're gonna explode soon," or "this team is just a game away from a breakout."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

November is the cruellest month:

11/8 @ Falcons
11/15 VS Broncos
11/22 @ Cowboys
11/29 @ Eagles

That's three road games in loud, hostile environments against teams that score.

And this year, the broncos/chargers are proving to be a bit of a force--so much for that 'soft' AFC West we all wanted.

And oh, the home game after the 11/29 road contest against the iggles?: the saints thinking homefield advantage.

November will be the month that either makes or breaks the skins this season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

This is good. It should be obvious to everyone that Zorn was in over his head. And Sherman Smith was drowning as well. So to bring in someone to help this O. is GOOD.
Now the only thing is for Lewis to call the plays. And design some as well. We'll get to the bye with a 3 game winning streak and come back with a potent O. Even MK12,DT11 and Sleepy will be more productive now. We'll see what you nay-sayers be saying then.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 6, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I guess it takes a fresh set of eyes for everyone to see that Jason Campbell can't run the West Coast offense, and that maybe Tood Collins should get a chance to jump start that anemic, impotent facsimile that the Redskins have been masquerading around NFL stadiums for the past two seasons.

Campbell's had 4+ seasons to develop and is absolutely no better than he was when we wasted 3 draft picks to acquire him in 2005. He won't be back in 2010, so why not give Collins a chance to see if he can spark this pitiful offense?

Neither Campbell nor Collins is our franchise QB of the future, so as ol' George Allen used to say, "The future is now." Let's do everything we can to win ball games. Collins stands a better chance of returning in 2010 than Campbell, so why all of this misbegotten loyalty as our offense bungles along, barely beating the Rams and Bucs?

2007 Thursday night game against the Bears. Skins are down 10 to 0. Campbell gets injured, Collins comes in and takes the Skins on a 4 game winning streak that enables us to get a playoff bid with a 9-7 record. The offense did a 180 with Collins at QB. We never make the playoffs that year if Campbell doesn't get injured.

News Flash - Vinny and Danny are bringing back Pepper Rogers too! Yep, that must be the answer - more consultants.

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 6, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

But, anyway, it can't hurt. Man, how glad are you you're not in Zorn's head right now?

The guy is gonna quit one of these days.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 6, 2009 7:56 PM |

If he hasn't quit by now he isn't going to, anyone that thinks Zorn deserves to keep running this offense by himself hasn't watched many games the last two years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

We are the east coast raiders!!!

Jr Al Davis is here to ruin it for us for next 30 to 50 years....

Posted by: nomad4 | October 6, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Welcome aboard Sherm! Excellent to have you joining the Scarlet & Goldenrod, er the Ketchup & Mustard, er...

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 6, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

The redskins didn't try this before Saunders was hired as the offensive cordinator by Gibbs and then he wasn't given the chance to run his offense because Gibbs was so conservative.

This guy is not being hired as OC he is here to help Zorn who needs as much of it as possible.

Posted by: Flounder21

Uhh..Flounder...how about this guy who was hired as a midseason consultant to pave the way for a new coach he was connected to: you might not have heard of him, they call him Buges and the coach was St. Joe.

Or maybe you even remember the grand Pepper Rodgers as consultant experience.

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 6, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

how the f do yous know that Anthony alridge is so f'n great, he got cut last year and this year and is barely on a roster

To translate zorn saying he hasn't been able to get him in a game, let me take a shot: my career is on the line every week why the f would I give the ball to a 170 lb never was who fumbled his chance away in preseason and got cut from a team who didn't have any RBs last year?

Do you tards get it now. AA is a bigger snyderatto move than sherm lewis. You really think AA would solve aything? Your on portis' case for a 3.9 yds per carry with a weak O line and weak passing attack. Portis isn't 100% and he's 5th in carries you fair weather know nothings.

Alridge really alridge? Lol

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Here's an idea - why doesn't Vinnie hire a Management Consultant to help him with his GM duties; That way, he could devote more time to his radio show & figuring out even more ways to waste money & throw away the good-will of the fan base.

Zorn can now be officially listed as a "dead man walking". Good luck finding somebody competent to replace him.

The FO of this dis-orginazation is an absolute mess - If it wasn't for the egos of Jerrah Jones & Al Davis, this team would be the brunt of 90% of the NFL-related jokes in the media. How far the mighty have fallen.

Posted by: BinM | October 6, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

how the f do yous know that Anthony alridge is so f'n great, he got cut last year and this year and is barely on a roster

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 8:12 PM |

Get your story straight. AA was one of 8 RB's put on IR by Denver last year, he was not cut.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

good job being positive flounder I agree with you. There are too many negative know it all cry baby losers on here.

Since we're the east coast raiders let's adopt a new attitude:

"Just win baby", try it out. Doesn't matter how, just win

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

sorry scampbell so he proved he gets hurt and fumbles

He's our savior

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Ken Beatrizz is "da man."

Really - dusting off this relic to come in and slip Snyder's $$$ into his pocket while undermining Zorn. Where did they find him - out fishing somewhere...? Lewis has as much "Super Bowl" credibility as Vinny the Pasta Boy ranting on the radio about his "Super Bowl rings." They were there for the ride. If Lewis were head coach caliber or even coordinator caliber material, why has he been in deep freeze for the last 5 years...???

If Cerrato were truly interested in supporting Zorn, then it could have been done in private without fanfare. Another franchise-caliber move by Snyder and Vinny the Pasta Boy.

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

good job being positive flounder I agree with you. There are too many negative know it all cry baby losers on here.

Since we're the east coast raiders let's adopt a new attitude:

"Just win baby", try it out. Doesn't matter how, just win

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 8:19 PM |

Since the owner isn't going to change no matter how much you guys cry, I say hire anyone we can to help us score more than 20 points a game.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I like the idea. I've been saying for awhile how I felt Zorn need some of his duties delegated, particularly on game day. I know initially Sherm isn't going to be calling plays, but at least he's versed enough in the WCO to perhaps give a suggestion or two about how to attack what the defense is doing during the game. Also, admittedly, the first 15 scripted plays Zorn has worked up to start a game have been awful. I think its now 11 games with no TDs in the first quarter..Yikes. I don't think any other first time HC in the NFL wears as many hats as Zorn does. Hopefully this move will help him and the team out.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

If Cerrato were truly interested in supporting Zorn, then it could have been done in private without fanfare. Another franchise-caliber move by Snyder and Vinny the Pasta Boy.

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:24 PM |

Sure because nothing in the NFL gets fanfare everything is done in private, should they keep letting Zorn's offense score 16 points a game against terrible defenses.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

sorry scampbell so he proved he gets hurt and fumbles

He's our savior

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 8:22 PM |

Didn't say anything about all that other crap, just the facts. He was our 54th choice (at best.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Twisi,

We finally agree on something today.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I am so tired of this team playing the shell game with their problems. Let's say we will fix this while hiding the real problem. DAN IT'S THE FRONT OFFICE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. GET A CONSULTANT FOR VINNIE. UNBELIEVABLE!!

Posted by: dph60 | October 6, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 I looked upp the stats on the skins 1st and 10 running plays. They are actually averaging a healthy 4.2 yards/rush. It's the other 3 downs that a killing them (below 3.5 yards/rush). I have no clue why this would occur.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Makes me wonder why they didn't hire one of these bloggers as a consultant. They seem to be the ones with all the answers.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 6, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Makes me wonder why they didn't hire one of these bloggers as a consultant. They seem to be the ones with all the answers.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 6, 2009 8:33 PM |

I'll take the job.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

DAN IT'S THE FRONT OFFICE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. GET A CONSULTANT FOR VINNIE. UNBELIEVABLE!!

Posted by: dph60 | October 6, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

That move would be better served after the season. Not sure how a GM consultant could effect the outcome of games this year.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's Dan Snyder on his view of how JKC ran the organization:

"I hope to treat my family with a little bit more dignity and integrity than some previous people involved in the Redskins."

The full article can be found at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/28/AR2006112800720_pf.html

How's that dignity and integrity working for team supporters and fans now...???

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 I looked upp the stats on the skins 1st and 10 running plays. They are actually averaging a healthy 4.2 yards/rush. It's the other 3 downs that a killing them (below 3.5 yards/rush). I have no clue why this would occur.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 8:33 PM |

It's probably a combination of bad play calls, Portis and the O-Line. I'm not saying the O-Line is great but they are not as bad as everyone is making them out to be.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Shameless self-promotion for Vinny hiring a shill and hack from his halcyon days in SF will not fix the offense. Actually fixing the problems will take honest work and discipline and perseverence, qualities that this front office do not have. Just more bloviating from Vinny to disguise his failings at evaluating player and coaching talent.

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter is quoting multiple league sources that in the wake of the Redskins loss to the Eagles yesterday Jim Zorn and Sherman Smith have been terminated and the team has promoted Greg Blache to interim head coach. Blache will retain his primary responsibility as defensive coordinator and recently hired offensive consultant will take over duties as offensive coordinator and primary play caller.

As predicted here. Not something I wanted ... but one could see this train wreck coming before the season started ...

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the Raiders bring in an offensive coordinator or consultant who had been out of the NFL for years and was running a B&B outfit somewhere? How about that - comparing the Skins with the Raiders? 'Nuff said.

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Shameless self-promotion for Vinny hiring a shill and hack from his halcyon days in SF will not fix the offense. Actually fixing the problems will take honest work and discipline and perseverence, qualities that this front office do not have. Just more bloviating from Vinny to disguise his failings at evaluating player and coaching talent.

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:40 PM |

I'll give you a cookie if you stop crying and go to bed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Since the owner isn't going to change no matter how much you guys cry, I say hire anyone we can to help us score more than 20 points a game.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009

It might help to hire super smokin' hot cheerleaders. Apparently they do have some effect in distracting the other team.

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the Raiders bring in an offensive coordinator or consultant who had been out of the NFL for years and was running a B&B outfit somewhere? How about that - comparing the Skins with the Raiders? 'Nuff said.

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:44 PM |

Didn't the Ravens bring in a Offensive consultant, and hasn't there offense and Flacco improved.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I guess you like to wash down yours with KoolAide. Only a matter of time before the KoolAide Brigdage popped up.

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

It might help to hire super smokin' hot cheerleaders. Apparently they do have some effect in distracting the other team.
Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 8:46 PM |

They look pretty good to me already peri, not sure how much more he could do in this department. maybe hiring strippers would work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens hired a proven offensive coordinator who runs a scheme complementary to the skill sets the Ravens have. And he has been there for more than a year. Don't even try to make a comparison to how Ozzie Newsome and Bisciotti run that team with the Skins. No way, no how - you can't go there.

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

It's probably a combination of bad play calls, Portis and the O-Line. I'm not saying the O-Line is great but they are not as bad as everyone is making them out to be.

Except for Samuels and at times Dockery they are probably the worst in the league. They really can be that bad flounder. It may improve with the introduction of "young" blood? If Rinehart and Montgomery play more and improve then perhaps?? Heyer I think is not a starting tackle ... Fred Davis could help at TE with his blocking but apparently he still hasn't left the starting gate with the coaching staff?

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I guess you like to wash down yours with KoolAide. Only a matter of time before the KoolAide Brigdage popped up.

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:47 PM |

No I just get tired of people crying about something that isn't going to change. Snyder is here to stay so saying in every post how bad he is is just a stupid waste of time.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I guess you like to wash down yours with KoolAide. Only a matter of time before the KoolAide Brigdage popped up.

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:47 PM

So you're saying you were comfortable with how the team's offense has been operating?

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Only reason Jon Gruden won the Superbowl with Tony Dungy's footbal team. Hail to JZ

Posted by: worldwidetees | October 6, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow, so many negative comments on this. I'm ecstatic, Zorn needs as much help as humanly possible. Who cares if this is foreshadowing his termination, if the offense improves, the team wins, goes to the playoffs, the chances of Zorn getting fired are alot slimmer then not doing anything and allowing this offense to be garbage.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Except for Samuels and at times Dockery they are probably the worst in the league. They really can be that bad flounder. It may improve with the introduction of "young" blood? If Rinehart and Montgomery play more and improve then perhaps?? Heyer I think is not a starting tackle ... Fred Davis could help at TE with his blocking but apparently he still hasn't left the starting gate with the coaching staff?
Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 8:50 PM |

No wrong again, if they were the worst in the league Portis would not be in the top ten in rushing and JC would have been sacked more than 10 times. Samuels has given up more sacks than Heyer by the way.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Sorry that should be sacked only 9 times

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

That doesn't mean that we should refrain from expressing honest opinions or allow the team managment to stifle discussions. They watch this site and all the others - and they need to hear the anger, resentment, frustration and bitterness from lifelong fans.

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Wow, so many negative comments on this. I'm ecstatic, Zorn needs as much help as humanly possible. Who cares if this is foreshadowing his termination, if the offense improves, the team wins, goes to the playoffs, the chances of Zorn getting fired are alot slimmer then not doing anything and allowing this offense to be garbage.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 8:53 PM |

Just before bedtime all the FO's haters come out so everything they do wehter it is good for the team or not is terrible.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

That doesn't mean that we should refrain from expressing honest opinions or allow the team managment to stifle discussions. They watch this site and all the others - and they need to hear the anger, resentment, frustration and bitterness from lifelong fans.

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:54 PM |

Have fun because if you think Snyder or any other owner in the league gives a sh_t what a few whinny fans think you are nuts.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Not at all - I've been miserable for the last 15 years. But you are out of touch with reality if you believe that Vinny hiring an old cronie who is an artifact of NFL history is going to achieve any positive result. How can this guy be taken seriously in the locker room or meeting rooms...??? Bringing in a proven reclamation manager like Parcells is different - he at least has "gravitas" and commands respect.

These offensive struggles date back to Gibbs II. It's not the scheme - it's the personnel - and that goes back to Vinny and Snyder. If you change them then there would be hope...

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

That doesn't mean that we should refrain from expressing honest opinions or allow the team managment to stifle discussions. They watch this site and all the others - and they need to hear the anger, resentment, frustration and bitterness from lifelong fans.

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:54 PM

So you're not happy with this team offensive production. As a life long fan I would assume you'd welcome an opportunity for it to improve.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

The Raven's cheerleaders even look super smokin' hot compared to the Redskin's Flounder?

The Raven's OC was Norv's OC in San Diego and before that his QB coach/Offensive assistant with the Redskins. Remember those days?

Their HC was the Eagles special teams guy.
(But then Ted Marchibroda was the Redskin's [and the NFL's] very first special teams coach.)

Their defensive coordinator was basically a college D-Line coach for the most part? And from Spurrier country!!!?

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

These offensive struggles date back to Gibbs II. It's not the scheme - it's the personnel - and that goes back to Vinny and Snyder. If you change them then there would be hope...

Posted by: i155133 | October 6, 2009 8:59 PM |

Well they can only change one of them, and Gibbs was the one who picked the players why he was here so some of these players are his fault.

The scheme is terrible or do you watch much football.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Ok...Ok...

If Snyder brings in a GM, how many 5-11 seasons are y'all willing to endure to rebuild this thing...

Yeah...I thought so...no patience!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 6, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

unless this consultant can catch, block, run, tackle, or deflect passes....its useless.

Let's keep some consistency and stability with this organization rather then quit cause "the skins are average" after two years.

Stability and continuity is GOOD. NOT FIRE after two years, ESPECIALLY when you are around .500

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan | October 6, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

last I heard this is football, not "the view". you all sound like a bunch of girls

lame lame lame lame

support your team or go home

Posted by: gaybrian2003 | October 6, 2009 4:32 PM

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Errrrrrm, you live in Los Angeles, right?

Talk about lame, lame, lame, lame.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Snyder could resurrect Vince Lombardi from the grave to be a consultant for this team and it wouldn't make a difference.

Posted by: chris_rollins2k3 | October 6, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh no! The dreaded offensive consultant! Next comes the owner's vote of confidence... Jim Zorn, time to pack the parachute!

This is a weird choice by the way. A guy who has been out of football for five years is going to help revive your offense? Maybe I am wrong, but this may be setting Zorn up for an even bigger fall...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

GMing by press release.

losses = bad press and fan grumbling

the organization's response - issue a press release announcing a new "consultant" being hired.

same formula.

snyder comes from a communications (i.e. mold public opinion via press release) background

ridiculous.

thanks for the re-post of the spurrier era press release with the same type announcement

Posted by: MalcolmYoung | October 6, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

No wrong again, if they were the worst in the league Portis would not be in the top ten in rushing and JC would have been sacked more than 10 times. Samuels has given up more sacks than Heyer by the way.

2 rushing TDs in 13 games. Everyone knows they have to run left because of Heyer and Thomas. Now with Rhinehart they are going right again. Their yds per carry sucks if you take away the very 1st play. Campbell never has enough time. 4th and goal from the 1 what happens? Sacks? What about hurries and the fact that most teams don't have to blitz?

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

And this is practically "The View."

and there's nothing wrong with that.

but would you prefer for us to post about how absolutely awesome the Redskins are?

although I'm not sure where to start that thread.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 6, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

This is a weird choice by the way. A guy who has been out of football for five years is going to help revive your offense?

No one else would come. They continue to rebuff Snyder's advances. As he was in Denver last week.

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Snyder could resurrect Vince Lombardi from the grave to be a consultant for this team and it wouldn't make a difference.

Actually Lombardi plus a rejuvenated Jurgenson? Hmmmm, I wonder ... even with this line Jurgenson could do something. Clearly he would make Favre look like an also ran. But then he was a true franchise quarterback who didn't need an offensive coordinator. He called his own plays, ran his own offense.

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

No wrong again, if they were the worst in the league Portis would not be in the top ten in rushing and JC would have been sacked more than 10 times. Samuels has given up more sacks than Heyer by the way.

Posted by: Flounder21


again, Portis is tenth in total yards (with an unimpressive 281 total after 4 games). he is not in the top 50 in yards per carry, had no TDs, and only one run longer than 20 yards.

the team ranks 19th in total rushing yards, and 21st (bottom third) in yards per game, with only 100 rushing yards per game.

so, yeah, the O-line might not be the worst by that measure (though they have not played many impressive defenses).

Posted by: MalcolmYoung | October 6, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge,

Gibbs first team looked pretty bad in the beginning but by the last game George Allen himself called them the best losing team in the NFL.

Next year they had their revenge.

It wouldn't take more than a year or two. Trust me.

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

This is a weird choice by the way. A guy who has been out of football for five years is going to help revive your offense?

No one else would come. They continue to rebuff Snyder's advances. As he was in Denver last week.

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 9:07 PM

Has this offense really changed that much? Aren't the Packers and Seattle running a version of it? I would think the concepts aren't that different from 5 years ago. But we shall see.

Posted by: TWISI | October 6, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh no! The dreaded offensive consultant! Next comes the owner's vote of confidence... Jim Zorn, time to pack the parachute!

This is a weird choice by the way. A guy who has been out of football for five years is going to help revive your offense? Maybe I am wrong, but this may be setting Zorn up for an even bigger fall...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 6, 2009 9:03 PM |

This is kind of a double edged sword. I f we all of the sudden turn it around than it has to be the consultant. If we continue to fail then the FO has to say "Well it's not the scheme or the coach, it must be the players that we put in there." The FO picked this guy too. Maybe I'm grasping at straws here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Pretty telling...

Telling the players: "Your coach actually doesn't know WTF he's doing."

Posted by: nojunk4me | October 6, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

So now folks are complaining about the choice for consultant? Give me a break, at least they brought someone in who is well respected and had success in this league. I welcome it with open arms, I don't care that Lewis is old or has been out of the league for a while, he can only help. If only to instill some common sense in Zorn

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

i dont care if the Skins win by 1 or by 50...i really don't.

dont forget...the skins are 2-2...regardless of who they played. it is what it is. The skins dont make the schedule.

The Skins have a chance at going 4-3 or 5-2 going into the bye week, which actually is NOT bad.

Why not let the season play out and see where it goes? it could go bad, yes..it could. BUT, they could do well, too.

Stop hatin and assuming stuff and just be a fan. watch the games, root for 'em, and see what happens.

As a person who watches ALL the games, the only radicals i've seen so far are Skins fans THIS year. Ya'll need to chill and let the games play out.

If the Skins win...they win...if they lose...they lose...

Let's wait until week 16 until we ALL start making judgements. I mean...unless you are all like Snyder and want to win the offseason.

Chill!!! Stop assuming...Stop judging...just wait...

When the season is over...THEN..lets start talking about the other stuff!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan | October 6, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"...and Gibbs was the one who picked the players why he was here so some of these players are his fault.

Posted by: Flounder21 "


no he did not.

the last Coach who had full personnel authority was Schottenheimer, and Danny fired him because he wanted to play fantasy football GM again after only one year.

Danny was in full authority, while Gibbs had input (though he did insist on mark brunell when he came back - terrible trade of more picks) with vinny as another lesser partner in that failed triumvirate (sort of like that mutant head on the dude in Total Recall).

Posted by: MalcolmYoung | October 6, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Let's wait until week 16 until we ALL start making judgements. I mean...unless you are all like Snyder and want to win the offseason.

You're talking to the wrong people. Tell Snyder and his people that. They just hired an offensive coordinator to help their offensive coordinator head coach?

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

twisi

"So you're not happy with this team's offensive production...I would assume you'd welcome an opportunity for it to improve."


Indeed.

What gets serious redskins' fans is when they spin around through different games via the Sunday Ticket, and take a few minutes to watch how other teams' offenses move like machines about the field.

It's like the skins have the pieces, but it's the fitting them together part that ain't happening.

And I don't think a consultant can fix what ails the machine: the guy running it, #17.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Now the only thing is for Lewis to call the plays. And design some as well. We'll get to the bye with a 3 game winning streak and come back with a potent O. Even MK12,DT11 and Sleepy will be more productive now. We'll see what you nay-sayers be saying then.

Bring Sonny down from the booth. Have him call the plays and throw some of his in (updated for today's NFL of course. As silly as some may deem it it is is better than this 'consultant' solution by a long shot.

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

bringing in sherman hemsley would not make a difference.

marla gibbs might though.

Posted by: MalcolmYoung | October 6, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Telling the players: "Your coach actually doesn't know WTF he's doing."

Posted by: nojunk4me | October 6, 2009 9:13 PM

Because the players are stupid and didn't know this already.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 6, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

periculum...you took my observation out of context.

i was saying....lets just wait...AS FANS...to judge the SKINS as A WHOLE before we start talking about getting rid of people.

The Skins mgmt does dumb stuff but I welcome all input from people who actually KNOW football...i mean...rather then bloggers who THINK they know football.

just sayin....im a person who will wait until the season is over before I start calling for coaches, players, or mgmts heads.

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan | October 6, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato and Snyder are like two kid brothers in the back seat of the car on vacation. The kind of annoying kids that keep asking.............
"ARE WE THERE YET?"

Ya just wanna turn around and smack 'every time but you look at them and smile and say....."No, not yet but we only have 65 miles to go."

and two seconds later they ask.......
"ARE WE THERE YET?"

In other words, Snyder is the owner of the "Tweeks R US" business. He and Vinny just can't help asking that question every two seconds that causes them to help defeat their own goals.

"ARE WE THERE YET?" He|| no!

Posted by: BenThere | October 6, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

ga_8085

"If only to instill some common sense in Zorn..."

I would contend that it's not Zorn's scheme or playcalling that been the problem.

Any league coordinator or quarterback's coach can draw up a package of plays for a specific personnel group--that's why they all get paid.

But Zorn's overall game management and decisions about which plays to call (the wack wide receiver pass with ARE, the halfback option pass? going long on 4-short) are definately questionable.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

yes i do live in LA and when I was younger living in DC I too was a cry baby, then I grew up and became a man

try it

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Zorn needs help to figure out how to setup some good short yradage plays, and needs help on how best to use his personnel.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 7:24 PM

Ya, agree with you here if nowhere else.

This Sherm hire seems like a pretty reasonable move on Vinny's part: he can't approve of the status quo and do nothing, but knows (hopefully) that blowing it up by firing zorn right now would be cutting of nose to spite face. It's, well, medium.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 6, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you TB skins fan, everyone thinks they know who is good and bad from week 1. THAT ISN'T HOW IT WORKS. Especially now with the salary cap and parity scheduling.

The ONLY accurate way to analyze the league is AFTER the season is over.

But so many fans want it to be about them, I predicted this or that or I called it me me me me.

That's not being a football fan that's being a d ouche b ag

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Since CL made he Pepper Rodgers joke two hours ago there's really not much else to add to this.
I will say two things though: pabrian2003's story about moving west and shedding his crybaby ways was inspirational!
And Fred Davis should be cut.

Posted by: mack1 | October 6, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

They look pretty good to me already peri, not sure how much more he could do in this department. maybe hiring strippers would work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2009 8:48 PM

damn, that's twice in one day!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 6, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I've been summarizing all the comments:

portis - wah
campbell - wah
o line - wah
sherm lewis - wah
zorn - wah
snyder - wah
win - wah
loss - wah
6- 10 - wah
8-8 - wah
10-6 - wah
cerrato - wah
rodgers - wah
hall - wah
gibbs - wah
everything - wah

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

tampabayarearedskinsfan

"periculum...you took my observation out of context..."

This is how he operates.

The guy is a manipulator of language, a doctor of linguistic doo-doo.

You say, "This," he turns it into, "Sh!t".

Then he takes your sh!t and smears it all over the blog.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Bring Sonny down from the booth. Have him call the plays and throw some of his in (updated for today's NFL of course. As silly as some may deem it it is is better than this 'consultant' solution by a long shot.
Posted by: periculum

here is the worst idea in history

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

tampabayarearedskinsfan

"periculum...you took my observation out of context..."

This is how he operates.

The guy is a manipulator of language, a doctor of linguistic doo-doo.

You say, "This," he turns it into, "Sh!t".

Then he takes your sh!t and smears it all over the blog.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 9:38 PM |

Hilarious in it's truthfulness.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 6, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

mack1

"...And Fred Davis should be cut..."

Don't get me started on that one.

What, the team used a second round pick to get a blocking tight end who gets an occasional poorly throw screen pass to flub up from time to time?

Sheesh....

Maybe Sherm will flex him wide and use him like he's Jason Witten/Dallas Clark.

Now there's a thought.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

sonny couldn't even get the play out of his mouth in time, much less call a decent play.

If Sonny wanted to be a coach he could have been , he likes to be up in the booth stroking losers like Gus with No accountability

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 6, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

here is the worst idea in history

Sonny would agree with you. So, how is a guy who has been out of football for 5 years going to help you when the season has already started? Unless he is there to report back and explain every detail of the game plan to the owner?

You say, "This," he turns it into, "Sh!t".

Good ol' Moe, he always starts with Port ... 2 or 3 quart

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Bringing in consultants is just a bs way for the boss to look like he's doing something...or they're used as an excuse to fire people. Either way not good for Zman. I think this is just another example of Snyder treating the Redskins just like he would a business - which may work well in the business world but not necessarily as well when building a team...or Six Flags for that matter.

I gotta go, I have a meeting with the Bobs.

Posted by: az_david | October 6, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

sonny couldn't even get the play out of his mouth in time, much less call a decent play.

This I most sincerely doubt. Sonny has his flaws, his struggle with alcohol probably kept him out of coaching. Luckily George Michael decided to take him under his wing after his last employer died suddenly of a brain tumor.

If you like what Favre does against bad to mediocre teams ... instead Sonny put the fear of God into really good teams and their DC's.

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Zorn ought to tell Snyder what he can do with his job.

Perhaps Snyder should hire a consultant to help him and Cerrato learn how to put together a team. Maybe they could start with drafting good offensive linemen and receivers who can have break out games after more than a year in the league.

If Snyder had any class he would give his coach and quarterback a vote on confidence and mean it and keep his nose out of it by hiring a consultant.

Snyder can fire Zorn after the season and hire a name coach such as Shanahan or Cowher and it won't get any better. It will be the same thing all over again as long as he has anything to do with football operations.

Posted by: cannontl | October 6, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

But Zorn's overall game management and decisions about which plays to call (the wack wide receiver pass with ARE, the halfback option pass? going long on 4-short) are definately questionable.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Umm..that's playcalling. People complain when nothing's done to improve this disaster of an offense then complain when something is done to try to help it. I mean come on, short of firing Zorn, what else could they do? Wait four more games of not scoring 20pts to act?

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

According to redskins.com there are eight coaches for the offensive side of the ball, is nine the magic number?

Posted by: az_david | October 6, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Umm..that's playcalling. People complain when nothing's done to improve this disaster of an offense then complain when something is done to try to help it. I mean come on, short of firing Zorn, what else could they do? Wait four more games of not scoring 20pts to act?

If Shanahan had said yes, then maybe things could be turned around ... in 1 or 2 games ... but hiring a guy who has been out of football? That's hiring a spy ... to bring back information to give Snidley the ability to change the game plan. That's it in a nutshell.

Posted by: periculum | October 6, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

What Snyder does not realize is that he is going to start losing the fans. I have been a Redskin fan for a long time and I am getting tired of rooting for a team where the organization has such a lack of class.

If he wants to hold people accountable for his team's lack of success he only needs to look in the mirror when he gets up in the morning.

Posted by: cannontl | October 6, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Peace has been asking for this move for three weeks! Way to go Peace!

Peace out

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | October 6, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

So for all those that think this is an atrocity, please tell me what you would have done? This offense is clearly not getting any better, and Zorn is on his way out anyway. If this is an undercover way of getting Sherm as an interim coach when Zorn is fired, guess what? I don't care. ZOrn sucks

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Damn...talk about a bad O-line...

The Packers have allowed 20 sacks already through 4 games.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 6, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

"I can't believe we're doing this AGAIN."

Yup.

And you all know what is going to happen AGAIN. :P

And Danny Boy wonders why everyone hates him.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 6, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Can we start blaming Sherm Lewis for this weeks game already?

Posted by: joeboggs | October 6, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah...yeah...yeah

More bandwagon Skins "fans" jumping on the bash of the day.

Where were ya'll when they were 6-2...

I heard...

Zorn is a creative offensive mind

Snyder finally gets it

TURNCOATS!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 6, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Here is a thought from someone who has never actually played the game. Give JC more targets during pass plays, maybe 2 tight ends, and two receivers, have them run route that allows them to break away from the defenders (if possible) and if the offensive line cannot hold the fort, then have JC scramble to one side or other to buy time, or take a sack from time to time.

Help

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | October 6, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me started on that one.

What, the team used a second round pick to get a blocking tight end who gets an occasional poorly throw screen pass to flub up from time to time?

Sheesh....

Maybe Sherm will flex him wide and use him like he's Jason Witten/Dallas Clark.

Now there's a thought.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 6, 2009 9:42 PM |

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think anything is going to help him. He clowns the alarm clock in his first camp. Shows up out of shape. And does nothing on the field two years in a row. He also giggles in meetings. What else is there to say?

Posted by: mack1 | October 6, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

What would I do, ga8085, fire Cerrato and get a bonafide GM to hire coaches and make personnel decisions.

Posted by: cannontl | October 6, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I heard Lewis was flashing his resume at some job recruiters, and they sent him to Zorn.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 6, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

So now Zorn is another boneheaded coach. Who were the two boneheads that hired him?

Posted by: cannontl | October 6, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice to have good team and a classy organization to root for again.

Posted by: cannontl | October 6, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

It is not Zorn that sucks.

Posted by: cannontl | October 6, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice to have good team and a classy organization to root for again.

Posted by: cannontl | October 6, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Couldn' agree with you more.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 6, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"Can we start blaming Sherm Lewis for this weeks game already?"

Sure why not? ;)

That darn consultant! His pair of eyes suck because Zorn is still calling the same lame-a$$ plays! ;)

Zorn: Sherm, Let's call a half back option! That always works!

I mean seriously, what is he going to tell Zorn??? Why are they trying to undermine thier own coach?

They should just fire Zorn now and save him the grey hairs. The writing is seriously on the wall. He can't be that dumb can he?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 6, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Zorn can bring Largent in next to teach Kelly and Thomas how to get open down field.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 6, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Who cares!?

8andeight

Now 3andthirteen

Posted by: 8andeight | October 6, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

In 2009 Al Saunders was hired as an Offensive Consultant for the Baltimore Ravens.

Yes, the 31 ppg Baltimore Ravens High Scoring exciting no name Offense.

enjoy....

Posted by: Chocolate_City | October 6, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't we get that guy!!!....oh wait....

Posted by: Chocolate_City | October 6, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

How about a consultant for team ownership?

Posted by: wizard5 | October 6, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

What would I do, ga8085, fire Cerrato and get a bonafide GM to hire coaches and make personnel decisions.

Posted by: cannontl | October 6, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Well, let's be realistic shall we? Midway through the season, nobody is hiring a GM. Zorn' playcalling has been baffling at times, and it clearly has not improved. YEah, Snyder and Cerrato are idiots for even hiring Zorn and putting him in that position from the get go. But you can't go back in time and change that. Its about the here and now. Here's my scenario: Zorn is about to call another stupid azz play. Sherm whispers in his ear," Hold off on that one big Z. Let's see how this one works first." The play results in a TD. That's what I envision as far fetched as it may be.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 6, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, like if Jim Boy brought in a hooker to Mrs. Z, and said " Well jeez honey, looks like this staying medium thing just isn't working out with our sex life.. maybe we just need a fresh set of, um, eyes.

Posted by: bostskin | October 6, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Sic-Ricky chill, you start every sunday hopping mad at the team, then calm down during the week....but you know the deal.

ga: I think in isolation the move is ok, I agree that corny zorny could use the help. But this fits a well worn Snyder pattern that has not gone well previously, be it Pepper Rogers, Zampeese, Arnsbarger, Bugel It often is the first step in a Snyder itchy finger which means the whole thing will crumble soon. Someone said earlier that this is a business world solution in a football world, Isn't that Snyder disconnect right there?

Also I do feel that this another Pepper Rogers in that he has been out of football for awhile and that his claim to fame is an offensive system that looks backwards, not forwards and really maps to what Vinny wants/has wanted for awhile, WCO/relive his 49er glory years, instead of fitting talent to new ideas & abilities.

But hey...I hope it works, regardless of what dim bulbs like Pabrian say, I love this team and want to see it win, be respected and fight like rabid dogs. Unfortunately I can hope this happens, but intellectually I don't think it will.

Hail!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 6, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

"maybe we just need a fresh set of, um, eyes. "

Niiiice !!!!!

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | October 6, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

If they were serious about fixing this offense they woul;d have brought in Gil Haskell or Holmgren. Lewis seems to fit as a potential interim coach.

Posted by: djorl | October 6, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

If they were serious about fixing this offense they woul;d have brought in Gil Haskell or Holmgren. Lewis seems to fit as a potential interim head coach.

Posted by: djorl | October 6, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember how Bill Arnsparger came in as a consultant when the D was woeful under Norv? Didn't work. Foge Fazio? Ditto. I think what we see now is what we're going to get the rest of the season. Doh!

Posted by: albertd3 | October 7, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I think Sherm will be the OC for Holmgren, Gruden or Shanny next year. Maybe they'll throw Zorn a bone and make him QB coach.

Posted by: ezdoesit74 | October 7, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

can he block, catch, or throw???

Posted by: Burrasta1 | October 6, 2009 5:55 PM

Good one! But I doubt he can do much good either... Consider who hired him.

Posted by: rfjh1 | October 7, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm inclined to take this at face value. The guy is 67, and has been out of the league for a couple of years. I don't have a lot of hope that this will do anything special, but having someone come in and be an honest broker isn't a bad thing.

Posted by: daggar | October 7, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

This consultant guy has ties to both Holmgren and Chucky. If Holmgrem were to come here, I think he would want GM duties as well, or at least have a LOT of control over players on the roster via draft, signings, etc. Vinnie would not bring the consultant in with an eye towards Holmgren who would threaten his job would he?

Chucky has a job through the year at MNF. This guy could get the lay of the land for him and then he steps in at the end of the year.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 7, 2009 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Coaches I would want in descending order:

1. Holmgren. Knows personnel, calling plays, motivating the troops, is an original WCO disciple. A Coach's coach. His demand for GM duties would mean Vinnie hits the trail, which give him the edge over Chucky.

2. Chucky. Is a motivator and grew up in WCO and then the TB defensive scheme. Has experience dealing with front office and ownership dysfunction. The opposite of medium and he would kick butts that needed kicking. Could lose the locker room initially as it would be his way or the highway for sure. Sounds perfect.

3. Cowher. Motivator extraordinaire who demands excellence and professionalism. Bringing him in would mean a complete overhaul of the schemes, but at least there would not be excuse making for unsatisfactory performance on a weekly basis.

4. Everybody else. Everybody else +1. Shanahan. Please please please please let Jerruh fire Big Boy and hire him before Dan gets the chance. Getting him would be like losing it to a pro... it would feel great for a minute or two, then its a lifetime of regret.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 7, 2009 2:12 AM | Report abuse

The ddamn shame of it all is that I bet Zorn would have been really good at doing what he was brought here to do IF he was not burdened with being the HC. Developing JC and calling plays.... he has no time to get out of that mode to manage the game, and then when he has to manage the game, it detracts from his play calling. During practice, he has got to manage everything instead of just dealing with JC and the offense. During the game, he has no head coach to nudge him towards a different call from time to time when he wants to go off tackle behind Sellers 4 times in a row just to prove to the team they can do it.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 7, 2009 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Let's pray Sherm sees a tweak here and there and that 11 and 12 aren't busts, or that the O line just isn't capable enough. All we here about is how good 12 is in practice and that none of our CB can stop 84. We saw the beginning returns on Tryon last Sunday, who is being coached one-on-one by HOF Darrell Green. Why can't we get one of our 3 HOF WR Monk, Taylor, or Mitchell - or even Clark to coach 11, 12, and 84 one-on-one? What's the delay, or is this rocket science?

Posted by: PinotNoir | October 7, 2009 4:25 AM | Report abuse

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