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Redskins Hit a Dead End in Detroit

With a 19-14 win, the Detroit Lions snapped their 19-game losing streak and sent an embattled Redskins' team home to face questions about their offense, highly-paid but struggling defense and the job security of head coach Jim Zorn.

Facing a Lions team led by a rookie quarterback and boasts few offensive weapons, Washington was manhandled on both sides of the ball. Detroit managed 381 yards of offense, and the Redskins' running game never got started. After posting zero yards in the first half, Washington finished the game with 65 yards on the ground.


Offense and defense will spend plenty of time this week talking about third-down conversions. The Redskins finished the day just 2-of-10 on third downs, while the Lions were 10-of-19.

The death knell came with about 6:00 remaining in the fourth quarter. On third-and-nine from the 48-yard line, Matt Stafford let loose a floater to the end zone. Receiver Bryant Johnson and Redskins safety Chris Horton went up together but were apparently a bit too close. Horton was called for pass interference, and the Lions suddenly faced first-and-goal from the 1-yard line.

Two plays later, running back Maurice Morris - replacing an injured Kevin Smith - punched it in from two yards out. After a failed two-point conversion, the Lions held a 19-7 advantage.

The Redskins took over, needing two scores in 5 ½ minutes. They moved the ball quickly, and at the 2:36 mark, Campbell found Rock Cartwright in the end zone for a touchdown, which cut the Lions' lead to just five points. After a defensive stand, Campbell & Co. took over at their own 22-yard line with 1:05 to play. Campbell hit Chris Cooley, Ladell Betts and Santana Moss to put the Redskins at the Detroit 36-yard line. But they failed to get any closer.

Campbell finished the game 26-for-41 passing for 327 yards, two touchdowns and an interception. It was the most passing yards he'd posted since throwing for 328 last year at Detroit.

After posting minus-2 yards rushing in the first half, Portis finished the game with 42 yards on 12 carries. With just five receptions entering the game, Moss had 172 yards on nine receptions and a touchdown. Cooley had three catches, Antwaan Randle El had two and Malcolm Kelly had one.

Stafford finished the game 21-of-36 for 241 yards and a touchdown.

While injuries hampered the Redskins throughout the game, Albert Haynesworth, London Fletcher, Cornelius Griffin, Carlos Rogers, Brian Orakpo and Mike Sellers all returned to finish the game.

By Rick Maese  |  September 27, 2009; 4:19 PM ET
 
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Comments

what losers

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 27, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

what losers

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 27, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Serves Snyder right...

Posted by: i155133 | September 27, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

The last play of the game is a microcosm of this season so far. They don't even make an ATTEMPT to win by throwing a pass into the end zone. It tells me Zorn has no trust in his play calling, his receivers, his offensive line or his QB. That's the play that should be examined and criticized for the next few days. Not sure how you don't take a shot into the end zone.

Posted by: CDon | September 27, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

ANYBODY HAVE R KOTITE EMAIL ADD?

Posted by: curtmcgurt | September 27, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Who's the idiot now, Smoot? I swear, this team is made up of some of the most arrogant, boastful players in the world. He needs to apologize to all the ESPN people he called "idiots" for picking the Lions to win. Obviously they know a lot more than you. SO SHUT UP and just play the freaking game, Fred Smoot! I feel so ashamed to be a fan right now. I may not wear any Skins apparel for months.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Dear Jim Zorn,

www.uhaul.com/trucks

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: jayrockers | September 27, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I have never felt lower as a redskns fan. They are an embaressment to football. Fire zorn now.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

i really find it hard to care at this point.. the lions.. really the lions. Would anyone be surprised if the redskins only won 4 games this year with the way the team is looking.

Posted by: djnune03 | September 27, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey, remember when playing the Lions was a slam dunk? Those were good times.

Just for one game... ONE GAME... I wish Zorn would loosen the reins on Campbell. Yeah yeah yeah, I know... "prevent defense" blah blah blah. JC is better when JZ isn't trying to be a puppet master.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | September 27, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

what a BUM zorn is u didnt even take a shot in the endzone u darn punk.. Get this guy outta here Blache also with that vanilla defense scheme play the young guys and wait til next year . u make me sick zorn

Posted by: chinngy23 | September 27, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

...it is clear the Redskins players and coaches are inferior. Who's fault is that VInnie?

Posted by: oddjob1 | September 27, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Caps open on Thursday. Thank God for that. It gets tiring wasting time watching a team that never gives a complete effort. At least we have a team in DC (the Caps) that will play with great intensity and emotion night in and night out.

Posted by: CDon | September 27, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Fire Zorn

Posted by: dnaik | September 27, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Sorry guys, I have only commented once this season while TRYING to keep a positive outlook. Not even passing to the endzone on the last play of the game should be the death knell for Jim Zorn's job. Quite possibly the WORST call (or maybe 2nd worst only to a 3rd and goal pass play...from a running back) in history.

Posted by: 4seamed | September 27, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Where was the running game? Where was the defense?

Posted by: anotherFresefan | September 27, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I stand behind my team but after that debacle today the Skins are officially the worst team in the NFL with better talent. Yes the Chiefs, Raiders etc. etc. don't have talent but the Skins should be winning games with the talent they have. This goes back to coaching. I'm beginning to think Zorn is in over his head. It's not going to be a bad week waiting for the next game. Yikes.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | September 27, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

fire blache too....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

This game was lost when Zorn went for it on 4th & goal instead of taking the three points. Same call two weeks in a row, he just seems lost out there now.

Posted by: az_david | September 27, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Zorn made some questionable calls, but his biggest mistake was trusting his defense.

Zero turnovers for the Lions? Unbelievable.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

CSN post game is entertaining, and right on.

B-Mitch is right. Snyder needs to pay the bills and butt out. Hire someone who knows something about football!!!

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

You defended them last week. Are you done yet? Zorn - gone. Campbell - gone. Vinny - gone. Enough already. And I'm old enough to remember that the Redskins stunk for most of 30+ years before the 80s. What do we have to lose now? Hurry up before the push to change the Redskins name gathers steam!

Posted by: jbzar | September 27, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Watching them play is so depressing

Posted by: T-ROB | September 27, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Did not take kick a field goal, declined a penalty on 3rd down. Bad play calling.

FIRE ZORN !!!

Posted by: dnaik | September 27, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

all circuits are busy for the washington-area suicide prevention hotlines. wonder whay?

Posted by: surly_w | September 27, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry


"...Fire zorn now..."

Work on your capitalization skills, bro.

It's, FIRE ZORN NOW!!!

There you go.

And I still disagree.

Zorn should stay.

#17 is the interchangable piece.

And he looks like a goner.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

It is going to be ugly this week. At this point I have to just accept the fact that the Redskins are a horrible football team. Although Snyder and Cerrato won't do this the team needs to do what the Capitals did several years ago: trade away their few stars and start over. The Capitals endured a few miserable seasons but are now very competitive.

Frankly I agree with the others that Snyder should fire Zorn. I wouldn't have called for it had DET won due to a freak play or late turnover. But the Redskins are just not getting better. Every week they seem to be getting worse and worse. It's clear that whatever Zorn is doing, the team is just not getting better. I don't think that firing Zorn amounts to a quick fix, but it would at least give someone else a chance to make some better efforts with what's left of the Redskins.

This team isn't going to do well against the Eagles or Cowboys later. KC and OAK have played well in their losses this year and won't be easy wins. The rest of the year is going to be quite ugly.

Whatever the case the loss demands that Snyder do something immediately. And that means firing the coach. Part of me wants to say that Zorn should stay; but, after really poor performance the last three games, I just can't make a justification.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 27, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I now feel like I have the next 14 Sundays free to pursue anything OTHER THAN WATCHING THIS MISERABLE TEAM. The parts "could be" great, the "team" needs to be nuked. Start from the top and in the GM Office.

Posted by: DCV1 | September 27, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

did the corners play 10 yards off the ball again?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

i love how it's all zorn's fault. don't forget he's the guy Danny Boy and Vinny Boy HAD TO HAVE. hired him before hiring any other coach, interviewed others for 6 weeks, and then made him head coach. they can bring anyone in here===as long as the clowns stay in the front office, NOTHING WILL CHANGE. they are eventually going to become the orioles===even when they have money to spend, nobody will want it

Posted by: fnkyniedls | September 27, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who you replace him with at HC, nobody could perform worse than Zorn. I would fire him before he got on the plane back to DC.

Posted by: amcg | September 27, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

it's ok guys...."Zorn and Campbell just need more time" LOL Give me an F'n break!

Posted by: leevi98 | September 27, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

This is what we get for booing a victory last week. Bad karma. But they stunk last week!

Posted by: anotherFresefan | September 27, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Did not take kick a field goal, declined a penalty on 3rd down. Bad play calling.

FIRE ZORN !!!

Posted by: dnaik | September 27, 2009 4:27 PM

Actually that's bold and good playcalling against the Lions, if your defense doesn't suck a$$.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

This is what we get for booing a victory last week. Bad karma. But they stunk last week!

Posted by: anotherFresefan | September 27, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The players better shut up this week. No excuses no nothing.

Go out practice. Shut up. Practice. Shut up. Practice. Don't even apologize. I don't want to hear it. Just shut up and PlAY!!

Posted by: sfskin | September 27, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

There is no other conclusion to draw from the first three games of this season - this is a truly unmotivated, overpaid, poorly coached, incompetently prepared, lazy, and misdirected collection of punks ever assembled in a Washington uniform. And since there is no evidence that the coaching staff has a grip on this season, it would be insane to allow them to continue their employment. Zorn had a chance to show this team was ready for prime time. He's obviously ill-prepared to be an offensive coordinator and is totally over his head as a head coach.

FIRE JIM ZORN NOW - don't wait until this disgrace can continue to pile on losses with no hope of resolving the obvious issues.

Posted by: laserwizard | September 27, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget. The only reason that Zorn is the coach is because everyone else turned down Danny's offer (Spags, Gregg W., etc.). Let's place the blame on Snyder and his puppet Vinny before we make Zorn the scapegoat.

Snyder has ruined a once proud franchise.

Posted by: tetreama | September 27, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

zorn blows, defense blows, qb blows, rb blows, snyder blows, haynesworth blows, add some others

Posted by: snydercash4clunkers | September 27, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

they suck....

Posted by: cocodc1 | September 27, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Brett Favre had less time and further to go for the win today with the Vikings. What did he do? He drove Minny down the field for the win. What does the Zorn and Campbell show do? Get down to the opposing team's 20 yard line and stall (again). Garbage, straight up garbage.

Posted by: stylesmcfresh | September 27, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

So what the he11 happened to this supposedly great defense? Allowing a rookie QB to look like a vet. The kid made Blache look like the rookie.

I don't have any problem with the fourth down call on the first possession, the defense is supposed to be able to stop a rookie QB from getting out of his endzone, this is on the defense.

Posted by: craig2 | September 27, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Is is too soon to start talking 2010 draft? Looks like we'll have a top 5 pick so maybe we'll be the new home of Tebow nation :( We could draft O-lineman but that's crazy talk.

Posted by: az_david | September 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

This game was lost when Zorn went for it on 4th & goal instead of taking the three points. Same call two weeks in a row, he just seems lost out there now.

Posted by: az_david | September 27, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

This decision was fine. Why not go for it at that point? You have a decent chance of scoring, and if you don't make it, you leave the opposing team in a bad situation. The defense didn't do a good job after the Lions got the ball back, but I don't mind going for it on fourth down here. I say you make that call against a team like the Lions 10 times out of 10.

Posted by: CDon | September 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

pathetic.If Snyder was a real fan he would realize what a disaster he has created and let football people run the show.

Posted by: hparker48 | September 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely disgusting. This performance ranks as an absolute embarrassment in my 30 years as a fan. However, in many ways, I hope they go 1-15 so fans stop going to games and paying for Snyder's incompetence. That's the only hope we have. Nothing else will work. Not high draft picks, not great college QBs, not HOF coaches.

Posted by: zimboy20 | September 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Where are the apologist?

psps, well brotha, looks like the pizza bet is nullified now. shoulda placed a wager in the event of a loss...

but I'm waiting for someone of the likes of you, t_e, and a ton of others to sugarcoat this bulls*** for me.

I said it Friday, Monday will be very interesting.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Rock Bottom.

Posted by: chris_rollins2k3 | September 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Why all the hate for JC? He is still putting together a solid season, and he was fine today. Sure there were some passes I thought he could make, but OVERALL he was ok today. Rating probably around 90? Find me someone better that's available and we can talk. The problem is Zorn. Let JC take this team where is CAN be offensively.

Posted by: 4seamed | September 27, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: JohnWWW | September 27, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Somebody was going to eventually lose to the Lions. Pretty predictable it would be the Skins. They stink.

Posted by: cletus1 | September 27, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

craig agreed, blache needed to bring the sink against this rook....very frustrating...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I think what's depressing is that the defense looks the way it does. Coming into the season we all thought the defense was not going to be a problem, but now the defense is as big a problem as the offense is.

The secondary is just SOFT, period. They don't instill any fear in the recievers. I'm SICK of watching the recievers catch easy completions... and where in the world was our expensive overrated corner today? I didn't even hear his name once.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The two biggest problems of the day were terrible o-line play by the Redskins and the inability of the Skins D to get off of the field.

I'm baffled that the Skins D rarely gets sacks. Other teams do it routinely - why can't the Skins?

Why, when you're down on the 2 yard line and you're going to go for it on 4th down, would you run it to the left, again? The play didn't work last week in the exact same situation. If it doesn't work, I don't understand why they didn't try something different.

It's going to be an interesting week. How sad is it that the most "excitement" going for fans this week is whether or not we'll have a new coach next Sunday? Wow...

Posted by: -swb | September 27, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I live on the West coast, so i didn't see the debacle in detroit. However, my brother described the demeanor of the team... NOT GOOD! We are stuck with Zorn, because No Coach wants to be in THIS SITUATION!

Posted by: samisunc | September 27, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

It's OK to hate on Zorn. Lord knows he hasn't looked good. But the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of Snyder and his lackey Cerrato. It starts at the top of the organization and works its way down. Fact of the matter is that Snyder and Cerrato have not done a good job, and unless they fire themselves, not much will change.

Posted by: CDon | September 27, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

It's not about details, Zorn... It's the whole approach!

I've long held the view that the ownership needed to give him one more season than the Spurrier era... But they're getting worse, not better. Time for Zorn to go.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell QB rating today of 128!!! Yes there are a couple plays we all want back, but to blame the mess so far this season on him is just crazy.

Posted by: 4seamed | September 27, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I will not, I repeat, WILL NOT watch any sports channel this entire week.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I agree all blame ends with Snyder, but Zorn still needs to be fired.

Posted by: amcg | September 27, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

So what is worse, the O only putting up 14 or the way that rookie QB on a 19 game losing team walked through our D like they weren't there?

I've got to say the D. We put everything from the off season into the D. We spent big FA dollars on D, Drafted for D and we suck on D.

Posted by: edvar | September 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is an incompetent HC/play caller and I am now officailly in the fire jim zorn camp.

The pass on three points at the biginning of the game was the start of this loss. JC contributed to the loss in the third qtr.

Time to see if TC is capable of leading this team. Though Zorn will not make any changes because he has no stones!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious at this point we need to completely commit to rebuilding. Start with Viny Cerrato for God's sake!

If Snyder keeps VC, and keeps any resemblance of control over personnel, we're simply doomed to repeat the same mistakes of the last decade.

Posted by: rexforab | September 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

QB rating today of 97.51, sorry. Still excellent.

Posted by: 4seamed | September 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Skins had a 20% 3rd down conversion rate.

Lions had a 75% conversion rate.

That's the game right there. Suckness on both sides of the ball. From players and coaching.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Lowest moment as a fan since the Cowboys went 1-15 back in 1989.

Guess who the Girls beat for the only win?

Posted by: elfreako | September 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I actually think Snyder should finally go against the grain for once and publicly state, that "ZORN is my coach and will not be fired"..... if he does so, it will take pressure off of these players. He made a HORRIBLE decision to not DECLINE that penalty and forcing a 4th down FG. Those 4 pts make the difference in this game.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

If Zorn is fired, who's gonna take over? The guy that just let a rookie qb tear apart his defense? C'mon, that was pitiful.

Posted by: craig2 | September 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has learned that the Washington Redskins will hold a Press Conference at 6:00 PM EST today to announce the firing of Head Coach, Jim Zorn. PFT has also learned that they have begun negotiating with Steve Spurrier to replace him"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Look out below...... Looks like we'll get the first overall pick in the draft!!!

Posted by: jmeaicp | September 27, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The defense is playing poorly because the linebackers can't cover and the secondary is bad.

Posted by: CDon | September 27, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn and the team need to be reminded that they get paid to perform for TWO *&^%($% ing halfs, not ONE!!!!

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 27, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"And I'm old enough to remember that the Redskins stunk for most of 30+ years before the 80s." Huh? You must be on drugs if you don't remember the George Allen years.

I'm finally convinced Zorn's a loser and Campbell's a loser. Put the ball in the end zone on that last play; if nothing else maybe get a defensive penalty.

Very few of the Skins defense showed they are worth keeping.

Posted by: booger1 | September 27, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Zorn keeps talking about "needing to find an answer." Let me, a novice when it comes to coaching football and running a football team, make a suggestion: the current Dan Snyder method is not working. Perhaps, the team should study the way the Patriots, Caps, Red Wings, Ravens, and Spurs are built. They don't trade picks, sign every big-name free agent on the block, and fire coaches at the drop of a hat.

Posted by: Matt23185 | September 27, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The real question is: If we couldn't beat the lions with a rookie QB and coach, what are we going to do next week when we play the Bucs?

Posted by: recur | September 27, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have Marty or Shanny "aka" Danny BFF email add ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | September 27, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"Serves Snyder right" from above - kind of hard to argue with that sentiment. The problem with the Skins isn't Zorn, it's an impatient owner who can't judge talent (nor should he be trying), and can't help but surround himself by "buddies" (yes, Vinnie, that means you) instead of people who will disagree with him.

Posted by: OldManGibbs | September 27, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

don't fire Zorn yet. Hire a real play caller. let Campbell loosen up to see what he can do and get a defensive coordinator who will actually put pressure on a rookie QB and an Oline members that weren't even good enough for Vinny.

P.S. fire Vinny NOW like right this moment now.

Posted by: Buckleycj | September 27, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I like Campbell. Where was the defense? Where is the O line? What bizarre play calling!

Posted by: anotherFresefan | September 27, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

No! Only LOSERS care about QB ratings, it is the dumbest stat in the world. If you watched the game, JC did not make the necessary plays we needed him to make. When the game was 13-7 we had at least 3 possessions to score, he fumbles and some of his throws were WAYYYY off... thanks to the prevent defense, his stupid rating was 128.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Of course Zornb should be fired. It's more than just an embarrassing loss. The poor play calling combined with a lack of fire and intensity is what creates a bad vibe and poor team chemistry. There is no feeling of confidence, it's obvious, plus the team lacks serious veteran leadership willing to toss a helmet and get into the face of someone who blows a play or gets called for a stupid penalty. Campbell is a talented QB, but he also lacks fire and intensity which is NOT the same as being cool, calm and collected in intense situations. His number one problem is leadership ability. Both Zorn and Campbell are of the same mold - and this combination of type B personalities has deprived this team of true leadership on and off the field. The Zorn experiment of hiring a youthful, intelligent coach but lacking in actual NFL level head coaching and playcalling experience has failed for the Redskins. A team well mixed with veterans and youngsters, but clearly needs wise, experienced top level management.

That's why I'd fire Zorn, and do so immediately.

Posted by: JimGoldbloomVA | September 27, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Fire Zorn and Release Captin Check Down
Really Captin Check Down 5 yard pass to Betts when we are down by 2 scores is not going to get us back in the game you AHOLE

Posted by: LASKINSFAN | September 27, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

For those of you trying to defend Zorn, remember that he is the HC, top guy on Sundays. This team is a reflection of him.

If you see him on the side lines with that dumb look on his face and watch the team on the field, both O and D, you see the same dumb look.

This is on Zorn first and foremost, then JC and Blache.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Fire Vinny!

Posted by: anotherFresefan | September 27, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

they are eventually going to become the orioles
--------------------------------------------

They are already like the Orioles. And to think that, back around 1996-1997, the Orioles were actually somewhat good.

"this is a truly unmotivated, overpaid, poorly coached, incompetently prepared, lazy, and misdirected collection of punks ever assembled in a Washington uniform."

And you're right about that too. I blame Snyder, who coddles Clinton Portis, for this point. He doesn't play preseason, chooses not to practice, and get special treatment. I can only imagine the impact that that has in the lockerroom among the other players. Snyder allows Portis to openly undermine the coach in public.

But I agree that the team is overpriced talent. Snyder needs to do what the Capitals did back in the mid 2000s, which was to start over and rebuild their team. They endured a few miserable seasons but are now a contender. But Snyder won't do that.

On the one hand I'd hate to see a 5-11 season (and given what I just saw that could be optomistic), but maybe that is what needs to do be done to finally improve the team.

Frankly I would trade Portis away for linemen. I would stop trying to acquire stars who are past their prime who only want to be paid.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 27, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I cannot justify defending this team any longer. My Mom always told me if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all. So peace out folks...until I can be happy about my team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 27, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The Players talked about what an easy camp they had.
I guess it was too easy, they are not ready for regular season games.
As bad as our defense played, the lions only scored 19 points.
Our offense stinks.
Zorn is an offensive genius.
Sure he is.
lol

Posted by: jmy999 | September 27, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The real question is: if we couldn't beat the lions with a rookie QB and coach, what are we going to do next week when we play the Bucs? God help us!

Posted by: recur | September 27, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS NOT ON CAMPBELL AT ALL!!! If you're blaming Campbell for this mess through three games, then you're not paying attention. It must be difficult to play QB when the offensive line breaks down play after play, when the running backs gain absolutely no yardage and when you can't get no the field because the defense lets opposing teams convert 75 percent of their third-down opportunities.

Posted by: CDon | September 27, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

There goes BeantownGreg1 again! Haha, thanks for giving me my first laugh of the day.

Yeah, how did I know the JC lovers would point at his stats...

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Fire the whole staff, cut all the players, and tell the last guy out to shut off the lights. Sell the team and domolish the stadium.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 27, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Also, let me add that the penalties are a reflection of coaching too.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I would like Zorn fired.. But honestly its not totally his fault... He does call bad plays though....Team is better than this.. But at this point he needs to be fired because the team has lost faith in him as a play caller and a coach...And you CANNOT win after that happens.. So thats why at this point he NEEDS to be fired..

Posted by: cocodc1 | September 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Look, we know Blache can coach. So can Bugel. Granted, the jury's out on Zorn.

Let's put some of this on the players.

At this point you can't fire the players but replacing the coaching staff isn't, right now, the answer.

Hell, I don't know what the answer is.

This is more frustrating than anything.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

In my "never going to happen" scenario of the day, I'd love to see JC run the no huddle all game next week. Well, maybe not all game as that'd be a bit overboard, but certainly on every possession it'd be interesting to see it. He seems to move the ball well when calling his own plays.

How many "I'm no longer a fan" comments will we see this week? As a preemptive statement to all such people - if the Skins are ever actually good again, please don't come back. I know its tough to be supportive when your team is so embarrassing and dysfunctional, and I expect mounds of criticism this week. It's absolutely justified and necessary, but I think it's important to still support the players.

I would actually hope that they are all constructively critical of themselves. The last thing that team needs is an implosion from the players. Hopefully they can stick together as a team and keep fighting, because if they turn on on another this season is going to get even uglier very quickly.

Posted by: -swb | September 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have Marty or Shanny "aka" Danny BFF email add ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | September 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

QB rating today of 97.51, sorry. Still excellent.

Posted by: 4seamed | September 27, 2009 4:34 PM |

He also dropped the ball a couple of times and missed wide open Cooley at a key moment. These stats are but so helpful.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | September 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Ya I agree Zorn has to go but really, so does da Danny and da Vinny...they HAD to hire Zorn because no respectable coach wants ANYTHING to do with these two clowns...in fact, firing Zorn is problematic in so far as no one wants the job lol...A 40 year fan of the Washington Redskins, I now vote that everyone do whatever they possibly can to stop sending cash to da Danny...he is the worst thing by far that has EVER happened to the Redskins. A sad sad sad sad sad situation. It will not and cannot get any better so stop paying the lil dude.

Posted by: CADMT | September 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Thank god for Xanax!

Posted by: nixx46 | September 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

It's sooo nice to have reality set in this early in the season.

We're the WORST team in the league.
Now we know. Be thankful that we can get this painful realization out of the way now and not later in the year.
Yeah, Halloween will suck, but by Christmas we'll be totally over it.

Feliz Navidad skins fans. Feliz Navi-freakin-dad.

Posted by: jgarrisn | September 27, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

sorry ladies and gentlemen. We will get them next time. Pleas4e stick with us as we will need your support through the long season

Sincerely, Jim Zorn

Posted by: Jim_Zorn1 | September 27, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The playcall at the end of the game speaks perfectly about Zorn's playcalling throughout the season. Farve in the same situation throws it to the endzone where a great catch is made and they win the game. But JC has to throw it 6yds down the field for a lateral, giving them no chance for a endzone play. Bottom line:Zorn has no common sense!

Posted by: ga8085 | September 27, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

This one is worse than the '88 loss to the 0 for whatever Cowboys at home. I'm officially done w/ them for this year. It's a wrap. Tear apart this paper lion (no pun intended), and start all over.

Posted by: gatorlab | September 27, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Redskins fan my whole life...29 years and counting. Since our last Superbowl in '91' I've been holding on to the tradition of Redskins Football...Mr. Snyder you can rest assured I will never spend another dime in your stadium ever again. This is absolutely ridiculous!!! I like Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell (he is an absolutel gentleman!!!!) and I wish them both the best but they are not the answer. I know the NFL is a win now league but we are getting worse rather than better and this has been happening ever since the second half of last year. I've always hated the Ravens with passion but apparently they know what their doing. I NEVER EVER EVER THOUGHT I'D BE SAYING THIS BUT THE HELL WITH THE REDSKINS!!! I'm officially a Ravens fan now and let's go Flacco...and this as tearful as I am is the only way to go until our ownership understands it needs to get back to it's roots and realize what got us to where we were for so many years!!! I wish the Skins and the fans the best of luck in the future. My season tickets will not get renewed next year and my seats will be given to those folks that have never been to an NFL game for free...

Posted by: mamarsha34 | September 27, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

No, it is not entirely JC's fault. It was the whole team's fault. But as a quarterback you're the one that needs to step up when the game matters and lead your team to a score.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

This is on Zorn first and foremost, then JC and Blache.

Posted by: Curzon417

2nd that order..

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

F Snyder
F Zorn
F Soup
F Blache
F Smoot
F Haynesworth
F the water boy

Another disapointing year. I'm angry.
www.snydersucks.com

Posted by: brianlee720 | September 27, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I am in the Fire Zorn camp mainly because the team isn't improving. The team continues to get worse; and, at this point, having someone new can't be any worse than what the team is doing now. If WAS were smart, but the ownership isn't, I would do what the Caps did and just start over.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 27, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Fire the whole staff, cut all the players, and tell the last guy out to shut off the lights. Sell the team and domolish the stadium.

And salt the ground to prevent the growth of anything.

I like it, it has possibilities.

At this point I haven't heard anything better.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Last week the Burgundy Kool aid tasted good. This week it made me vomit.

Posted by: VegasJim | September 27, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

There goes BeantownGreg1 again! Haha, thanks for giving me my first laugh of the day.

Yeah, how did I know the JC lovers would point at his stats...

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 4:38 PM


well stats don't lie. JC had a decent game. Hell he has had a decent season thus far. I've seen nothing to say we bench him.

What he didn't have today was a defense who got off the field so he could get on. Place the blame where blame is due. Today it was the defense.

coaching 101: Rookie QB's tend not to do well under pressure.

Blanche's solution: Rush 4 all game.

and that makes sense how?

Posted by: Buckleycj | September 27, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

CDon is right - It starts at the top of the organization and works its way down.

Snyder is the prototypical idiot owner who thinks that just because he has money and can buy a football team, he has the experience and expertise to run it. Cerrato has been out of his element from the beginning - his draft choices have been a joke, and his free agent signings haven't been much better.

Zorn will no doubt be fired soon, but unless Snyder hires a competent coach and then butts out, nothing will change.

Posted by: Storis38 | September 27, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is that we had them and we let them off the hook!

We will do better next time. Just stick behind us. Our winning ways and Super Bowl victories will rerun soon just hang in there.

Sincerely, Jim Zorn

Posted by: Jim_Zorn1 | September 27, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

every position on this team is up for grabs this week in practice...qb, rb, wr, every single fargin one...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I live on the West coast, so i didn't see the debacle in detroit. However, my brother described the demeanor of the team... NOT GOOD! We are stuck with Zorn, because No Coach wants to be in THIS SITUATION!

Posted by: samisunc | September 27, 2009 4:32 PM
I dont give a flying fig. The gentleman who dresses up as the Chief for every game knows enough to have forced the field goal instead of taking that penalty. And once again, 4th and 2 for a TD, run Portis to the left. Sorry, this is just assinine.

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 27, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

What should scare you worse is this. The Bucs only had 86 yards this week, total. No points. They're 0-3. Anyone want to bet they'll beat the Redskins next week?

That last play was hideous, and I mean the calling of it. Why not take the shot at the end zone? It's not like you had anything to lose at that point, not even pride.

Could've been worse, though...it could've been a home game, where Detroit hasn't beaten the Redskins in what, 80-some years?

Posted by: kmcandrew | September 27, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

HA HA HA HA HAAA,

This former skins fan 1966-Dan Snyder is laughing out loud!!

As far as firing Jim Zorn goes it won't do any good as long as Vinny and Dan are making the decisions.

Redskins are the new Lions and the OAKLAND RAIDERS OF THE NFC!

Posted by: chargersix | September 27, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Stick a fork in the 'Skins
Posted by Mike Florio on September 27, 2009 4:28 PM ET
Perhaps the only good news for the Washington Redskins today is that the damage to defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth's hip wasn't serious.

The damage to coach Jim Zorn's coaching career could be fatal.

The Detroit Lions have notched their first win since December 23, 2007.

And so the calls for Zorn's head will intensify in D.C., and an interim coach will be installed by the launch of the bye week on October 25, if not sooner.

Then, next year, it'll be Mike Shanahan or Mike Holmgren calling the shots in D.C.

Though some might think that Bill Cowher also will be in the mix, two issues likely make it unlikely that he'd get the job. First, Cowher would want full control over the football operations, and owner Danier Snyder would be reluctant to agree, especially if it means minimizing (or firing) V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato.

Also, Cowher's mentor (Marty Schottenheimer) might have a thing or two to share with Cowher regarding Schottenheimer's one-year experience with the team in 2001. Schottenheimer secured full control, fired Cerrato, went 8-8, and then was fired.

In the end, look for a high-stakes auction to break out between the Cowboys and the Redskins for Shanahan, with the loser getting Holmgren.

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Posted by: leevi98 | September 27, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

My God, we actually made the Lions look good!!! The Redskins will not significantly improve until either 1) Dan Snyder sells the team to someone who knows something about football; or 2) he actually implements a systematic teambuilding policy, instead of hiring big names who are past their "sell by" date. Snyder is the BIGGEST single obstacle to Redskins success!

Posted by: DanSnyderLoser | September 27, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The good thing about this loss is that now all options are on the table.

No one can seriously think about playoffs or winning many games with this HC and QB.

So get rid of the HC, and as for the QB, let him sit for a few weeks.

I'm fine with Collins starting the next few games.

It can't get any worse.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Blaming a loss on a QB with a QB rating of 97 is freaking moronic. If you put this loss on a QB with 339 yards, 2 TD's and one INT, you aren't watching what's going on.

QB ratings are misleading, sure. But until you come up with something more objective, close your mouth. It is all we have to go on. Show me another QB with a QB rating in the 90's whos job was in question? Your just not smart if you think this is on JC.

Blach not blitzing today is just insane. I understand he hates to get burned, but an inaccurate, rookie QB? RELEASE THE HOUNDS!

The only problem with getting rid of Zorn (which I am a proponent of) is that I don't see how it makes the team any better this season.

Posted by: 4seamed | September 27, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Stats aside, JC didn't lose this game. He didn't win it, but he didn't lose it.

Zero rushing yard in the 1st half?
Zero turnovers for the Lions rookie QB?

JC wasn't a hero, but he definitely wasn't the problem. It's still a team game, and the team around him was pretty pathetic today.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Also Snyder will do nothing until the team starts being blacked out, 4 PM game appearances stop, and MNF/SNF appearances stop. That being said, given how the Redskins are playing, I fully expect their SNF and MNF games let in the season to be flexed out to 1 PM.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 27, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Dear "Coach" Zorn,

You are driving me to drink, drug, go on a Thelma and Louise type crime spree, and yell at my dog. And quite frankly, I'm not so sure a jury would convict me when they watch the tape of the clueless looks on your face and the play calling that a hermit crab could make. God help us all!

Posted by: nixx46 | September 27, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only anxiously awaiting Robert Henson's next Twitter?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 27, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy from the FOX post game show ZORN WILL BE FIRED TODAY !!

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | September 27, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm so sad I don't even have words. I can't believe my beloved Skins have fallen this far. Clean house and genuinely rebuild time. No more reloading.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 27, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

It's TIME for a MAJOR CHANGE

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 27, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Agreed!!!

THIS IS NOT ON CAMPBELL AT ALL!!! If you're blaming Campbell for this mess through three games, then you're not paying attention. It must be difficult to play QB when the offensive line breaks down play after play, when the running backs gain absolutely no yardage and when you can't get no the field because the defense lets opposing teams convert 75 percent of their third-down opportunities.

Posted by: CDon | September 27, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cocodc1 | September 27, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

No players making plays, defense played like a bunch of @%$@. Yes the offense needs to score, the Lions were a lot hungrier than the Skins, Zorn obviously to make a change. If the players can't execute the plays then Zorn needs to do something differently in practice. This loss was a team effort with a couple of "bright" spots, but the Skins just didn't seem focused.

Posted by: craig2 | September 27, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Where is Robert Henson?

Posted by: BT23 | September 27, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The Snyder isn't going anywhere so everyone saying he should are wasting there time. Everyone else is fair game to go, Snyder will hopefully hire someone and get out of the way.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Please ladies and gentlemen don't get too irate as I promise you we will do better next time. Just please continue to show your support for your Redskins.


Sincerely, Jim Zorn

Posted by: Jim_Zorn1 | September 27, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Snyder/Cerrato sucks. It won't get better until they're gone. Plain and simple.

Posted by: nodata2000 | September 27, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Redskins fan my whole life...29 years and counting. Since our last Superbowl in '91' I've been holding on to the tradition of Redskins Football...Mr. Snyder you can rest assured I will never spend another dime in your stadium ever again. This is absolutely ridiculous!!! I like Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell (he is an absolutel gentleman!!!!) and I wish them both the best but they are not the answer. I know the NFL is a win now league but we are getting worse rather than better and this has been happening ever since the second half of last year. I've always hated the Ravens with passion but apparently they know what their doing. I NEVER EVER EVER THOUGHT I'D BE SAYING THIS BUT THE HELL WITH THE REDSKINS!!! I'm officially a Ravens fan now and let's go Flacco...and this as tearful as I am is the only way to go until our ownership understands it needs to get back to it's roots and realize what got us to where we were for so many years!!! I wish the Skins and the fans the best of luck in the future. My season tickets will not get renewed next year and my seats will be given to those folks that have never been to an NFL game for free...

Posted by: mamarsha34 | September 27, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

U either bleed burg. and gold or not...Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ and don't come back knocking in the future when things turn around...BANDwagon fan!

Posted by: leevi98 | September 27, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't seem like Zorn will hold the job. How likely is it that the Redskins pursue someone like Bill Cowher and what are the chances that Bill Cowher accepts the head coaching position?

Its time for the skins to become a smash mouth football team and run the ball more and effectively.

Blache needs to go too, Redskins should hire Wade Phillips after he gets fired and convert to a 3-4. We have all the tools we need and have a more effective blitzing scheme.

The tools are all there, the coaching is what we lack!

Posted by: pakimonster | September 27, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Will the people saying "don't blame this on Campbell" take about 87 steps back and see what happened?

Good grief, talk about not seeing past your nose.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"Stick a fork in the 'Skins"

That's what she asked for, but with the handle part.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 27, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Lions to the playoffs, 'Skins play for draft pick, where they'll probably draft a punter.

Posted by: boothintexas | September 27, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have Marty or Shanny "aka" Danny BFF email add ?

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | September 27, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

tru dat rachel..
The telling stat is JC's terrible 3rd down conversions today.. 2 for 10. Thats the sign of a poor QB. If you looked at the slo motion replays, he only looks once at his primary receiver and no where else.. He locks in, and the DB's know this, so they can play back on 3rd down passing situations and still make up separation yardage because JC is telegraphing where he is passing. Ergo his horrible 3rd down conversion stats.

And, like you said, if you examine his completions and when they occur, half his stats are prevent D freebies.. When the D is leaving the middle open to run out the clock and/or get the ball back..

++++++++++++
No more Campbell please. When the game MATTERED he could not make any plays! The only time he can play well is when they play prevent defense. Campbell is useless. When we need our QB to step up when the game matters he cannot do it.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 27, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I agree that the offense and defense were terrible today (I am totally baffled by the fact that they rarely generate any pressure with their four man rush, and still only blitz 5-6 times per game). But what is gained by firing Zorn now? All the offensive coaches are Zorn's guys anyway, with even less experience, so which of them could be an improvement? And move Blache up? Come on. I understand the emotional desire to see a few heads roll, but that will not help this team. They should keep Zorn through the season, leave open the chance of putting together a decent year (remote, I know), and at the very least keep a somewhat stable environment for Kelly, Thomas, etc. to develop in, if they actually have anything to develop to.

Posted by: derek6 | September 27, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

alan, agreed, JC was not the problem with this game....the lions ran over us, ran up and down the field on us, and there seemed not to be one, single, adjustment...their rb, smith, was well on his way to 200 yards, had he not gotten hurt....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Man the team must be relieved this wasn't at home... anyway I hope they have a nice ride home.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

Hey, they beat the Rams at least. Time for Snyder to sue more fans.

Posted by: cletus1 | September 27, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Hahahaha! Your deadskins are pathetic. Its so great to watch you all wail around and lament. Beginning of preseason you people were all over the nfc east blogs beating your chest about how good you'd be, how your 100 mill man would put you over. So funny to watch you girls cry . Maybe you'll hit 6 & 10. Lol... great

Posted by: YakAttack | September 27, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Greg Blache interview... He's already thinking about retirement.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

What a f*&cking joke this team has become, the stupid play calling, the defensive breakdowns and whiffing on tackles, the penalties, the lack of fire and intensity what a mess Danny and his butt buddy VC have made of this franchise.

4th and inches and stupid JZ calls the same stretch play he called last week instead of a straight dive or faking left and rolling right JC having the option to run or pass!

This is a sad day to be a Redskin fan, to lose to a team we always owned.(playoffs & regular season) JZ has called some of the dumbest plays and made some of the most stupidest decisions I've seen a head coach make in the NFL since I started following this game years ago as a young teenager.

FIRE ZORN!!!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 27, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE. FIRE JIM ZORN NOW!!! JUST GET HIS A$$ OUT OF HERE. HE HAS PROVEN HE CANNOT MOTIVATE A TEAM, CALL SUCCESSFUL PLAYS, LEAD A TALENTED TEAM TO VICTORY, OR EVEN BE AN ADEQUATE QUARTERBACK COACH. AND TELL ME AGAIN WHY HE IS STILL ROBBING REDSKINS' FANS OF THE SEASON? HE IS A JOKE. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SIGN WHEN THIS IDIOT DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE TEAM'S COLORS BEFORE HIS INTRODUCTORY PRESS CONFERENCE. GET RID OF ZORN. GET RID OF CAMPBELL. GET RID OF VINNY. START OVER. THE REDSKINS HAVE THE OLDEST ROSTER IN THE NFL.

Posted by: HogInCharlotte | September 27, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

JC calls a better game than his coach.

nuff said.

Posted by: rsskinsfan | September 27, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

What kind of play calling is it when you are at the Lions 20 yard line, have 2nd down and do not throw any of those into the end zone? Three chances and to end with that stupid play on 4th down?

Incompetence!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

FIRE DANoleum SNYDERparte
FIRE DANoleum SNYDERparte
FIRE DANoleum SNYDERparte

Posted by: mabkhar | September 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The strategy of Offense and Defense sucks.

BeanTownGreg1,

Wherever you at, I hope you realize now when I said this Team was not and still is not in FOOTBALL SHAPE!!!

We do not know who and whats on first. Why, because that comes from serious football training by the whole Team.

Football training weeds out the weak and the ones that think they have already made it but cannot produce anymore.

Being in great year round physical shape means nothing when compared to a Football Team that earns that name from Football training.

You ever wonder why the vets and prima donna's don't like preseason and camp? Cause it is hard and once you go through it your body gets transformed to a football player, not the ones that too many of these Redskins are.

The Redskins haven't trained hard in camp and preseason in years. If they had, a lot of these names that we have seen on the field for years now would not be here.

BeanTownGreg1, I told you this once before and I know what I am talking about.

All this scheming crap and WCO don't mean crap if you ain't got Football Players like LA was.

Yeah, years ago we decided we did not need real Football Players like BMitch, but we wanted players that fit into schemes.

Hell, we can fit all these bloggers into a scheme, but when we meet a real Football Team, Katie Bar The Door.

Charlie Casserly was a scheme guy, Bobby Mitchell was a Football guy. Worst mistake this Franchise made was making CC the GM instead of Mitchell and we haven't recovered yet.

LarryInClintonMD.


Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Will the people saying "don't blame this on Campbell" take about 87 steps back and see what happened?

Good grief, talk about not seeing past your nose.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Sure, I'll take 100 steps back. Hell, I'll take as many back as you want. But I'll you what. From where I'm standing now, I don't think I'll see Campbell trying to block rushing defensive lineman. I don't think I'll see Campbell stopping the opposing team on third down. And I don't think I'll see Campbell calling a play at the end of the game that will result in a bunch of nonsense laterals.

The guy can only do so much. Is he the answer at QB? I don't know. But you can't blame him for today's awful loss. That's for sure.

Posted by: CDon | September 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

You defended them last week. Are you done yet? Zorn - gone. Campbell - gone. Vinny - gone. Enough already. And I'm old enough to remember that the Redskins stunk for most of 30+ years before the 80s. What do we have to lose now? Hurry up before the push to change the Redskins name gathers steam!

Posted by: jbzar | September 27, 2009 4:26 PM
You CANNOT blame this game on Campbell. He wasn't the guy who pulled up a yard short at least twice on 3rd and long. He didn't call the Portis run right AGAIN on 3rd/4th and goal. Doesn't Zorn see how well Campbell runs? Whats wrong with a little roll out to really put the game in JC's hands? And JC didn't give Detroit a chance to keep a drive alive when they could have forced a FG. He also didn't play defense when Detroit achieved like 400% on their 3rd down conversions. Get off of JC's back.

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey everyone, Favre threw to the ENDZONE and the stole a victory!! Imagine that, when you are losing and within shot of the endzone, you actually try to score instead of a pop warner hook and ladderal call.

Posted by: 4seamed | September 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

U either bleed burg. and gold or not...Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ and don't come back knocking in the future when things turn around...BANDwagon fan!

Posted by: leevi98 | September 27, 2009 4:46 PM

Good post.

Posted by: edvar | September 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN. keep campbell.

Posted by: saltine182 | September 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Get me any Jim Johnson tree coach to coach this D. Forget Bend but don't Break. Break them.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder needs to read a book called Running an NFL team for Dummies..... And get rid of that cronie Cerrato too!!!

Posted by: jleftwing97 | September 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

This sort of feels like a release. At least now we know we have no hope this year - the next 14 weeks will be disappointment-free as our expectations are now zero. Losing to Detroit for freak's sake???

Can't see Zorn getting the bullet as Snyder and Cerrato won't have the guts to admit they got it wrong.

Does this defeat by the worst team in NFL history now mean that we are the worst team in NFL history??

Posted by: tartanskin | September 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

That was pathetic. Jason Campbell is the only bright spot on this entire team. This is a painful team to watch right now.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

That was pathetic. Jason Campbell is the only bright spot on this entire team. This is a painful team to watch right now.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

One more say about this. Yes, I agree that putting the blame on JC is completely moronic. But he doesn't do anything to help us win. When it was 13-7 in the fourth quarter, we had at least three possessions to score a TD to take the lead and we never did. He had some passes that sailed on him, another that fell out of his hand...

As much as they ran all over us, the game was 13-7 and very much winnable in the fourth quarter!!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

F Dan Snyder.
F Vinny Cerrato.
F Jim Zorn.
F this entire franchise.
We need a bonfire where we can all go and burn every Redskins item we all have.
What a fkn embarrassment.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 27, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

This entire organization is absolute crap.. I was giving respect to Blache the passed weeks but the defense let the LIONS 19 points up.. I, like most fans, thought that this was going to be the coming out party for the skins.. What an idiot I was(right Smoot).. These players play with no intensity, the coaching is atrocious and the owner/gm are are on 2nd grade reading levels... on another note..GO CAPS.. a team I can be proud of..

Posted by: iHAVEfaith | September 27, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

wow, lions convert 75% of 3rd downs, that's crazy Mr. Blatche

Posted by: coparker5 | September 27, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

zorn blows, defense blows, qb blows, rb blows, snyder blows, haynesworth blows, add some others

Posted by: snydercash4clunkers
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zorn blows - YES, HE'S NOT UP TO THE TASK

defense blows - NO, THEY DEFINITELY DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD GAME (WHERE WAS THE QB PRESSURE?) BUT THEY DON'T BLOW (AND THEY WERE ON THE FIELD HOW MUCH OF THE GAME, EXHAUSTED, THANKS TO A NON-EXISTENT O-LINE AND OFFENSE?)

qb blows - YES, STILL SLOW AS MOLASSES, BAD FIELD VISION, BAD POCKET AWARENESS/MOVEMENT, MEDIOCRE PASSER AT BEST WHEN THERE'S NO PRESSURE, JUST BAD WHEN THERE'S PRESSURE, AND HE'S BAD EVEN AFTER ESCAPING PRESSURE

rb blows - NO, HE/THEY NEED AN ACTUAL O-LINE

snyder blows - MAYBE, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO HIS ROLE IN ZORN'S HIRING AND MAYBE WITH HOW LONG WE'VE KEPT JC, BUT THE PITIFUL QB AND O-LINE ARE REALLY VINNY'S RESPONSIBILITIES

haynesworth blows - RIDICULOUS

add some others - UH, O-LINE?????

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 27, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

What kind of play calling is it when you are at the Lions 20 yard line, have 2nd down and do not throw any of those into the end zone? Three chances and to end with that stupid play on 4th down?"

Dear Curzon417,

We had routes that were covered in the endzone as they played a 4 deep zone. Our 1st read was to look deep then to check down but time wasn't on our side. We will continue to improve and do better next time. Please just hang in there and continue your support for your Washington Redskins.


Sincerely, Jim Zorn

Posted by: Jim_Zorn1 | September 27, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

larry, just when I thought you weren't an idiot, you convince me otherwise...yep, they're not in shape, and nice job cementing your idiocy by using Lavar as a reference point....please stick your head in a toilet, and flush..........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Promote Chris Meidt to OC and playcaller. He has some stones and will be a huge upgrade in playcalling and game planning.

Well, he can't be worse in any case.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Does this defeat by the worst team in NFL history now mean that we are the worst team in NFL history??

Posted by: tartanskin

No, it means we are the worst team in the league for this week. Because we just lost to a team that had lost 19 in a row.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

But I'll you what. From where I'm standing now, I don't think I'll see Campbell trying to block rushing defensive lineman. I don't think I'll see Campbell stopping the opposing team on third down.

Yes, that's the point of my post.

This team has so many problems, so many weaknesses, so many shortcomings, that stating that "Campbell wasn't the problem" is like saying the food on the Titanic was great.

They got pretty much beaten up by the Lions.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Washingtonpost should not have Monday cover story with Redskins and it should uses Sports section for showing the results. In addition, Washingtonpost should use similar wording they used for Maryland today "Slopy Terrapins ..." in thier story.

Redskins can fight well against an elderly woman not paying her ticket dues but can not fight in the football field to an 0-18 team.

Post is giving to much coverage to a team which brings shame to the Washington.

Bijan
Clarksburg Maryland

Posted by: bijan1 | September 27, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Will the people saying "don't blame this on Campbell" take about 87 steps back and see what happened?

Good grief, talk about not seeing past your nose.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Point to how Campbell lost the game, where?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 27, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

alan4, you must be JC's brother, agent or ???.. At least you're loyal..

He locks in on his primary receiver and cant make a progression (2nd Read) if that receiver is not open.. The opposing secondary knows this.. Thats why he was 2 for 10 in 3rd down conversions. Which WAS the problem...
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Stats aside, JC didn't lose this game. He didn't win it, but he didn't lose it.

Zero rushing yard in the 1st half?
Zero turnovers for the Lions rookie QB?

JC wasn't a hero, but he definitely wasn't the problem. It's still a team game, and the team around him was pretty pathetic today.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 4:43 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 27, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Actually, as a Maryland alum, I LOVE Jim Zorn today for taking all the heat off of Ralph Friedgen.

Keep Zorn for as long as you want!

Posted by: mabkhar | September 27, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The Skins need to start over from scratch. Here is what they need for a fresh start:

1. Change their racist name
2. Change their idiot owner
3. Change their amateur head coach
4. Change their no-confidence quarterback

Posted by: jmarks09 | September 27, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

The only player Kelli Johnson can find to interview? Jon Jansen.

Wow.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I actually think Snyder should finally go against the grain for once and publicly state, that "ZORN is my coach and will not be fired".....
Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse
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Agreed. the pressure and expectations of this game were absurd and contributed to elevating a game against an 0-19 team into a must win game. Snyder should have done some gesture to at least alleviate a little tension so they could focus on playing the game. What's the worst that could happen...he goes back on his word and fires zorn? it's not like we trust or like snyder in the first place

Posted by: crs-one | September 27, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Mr. RedDMV, I owe you a pizza sir. Email me at psps23@gmail.com to iron out the details.

That was effing pitiful. I can't for the life of me see how bad this team has turned. By far the biggest disappointment is this defense. Mr. Blache -- Dan Snyder wishes to see you...

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

bring in holmgren, to help the offense, fire sherm smith........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

NO, DO NOT!!! HAVE THIS LITTLE NAPOLEAN OF AN OWNER TO COME OUT A SAY, I AM GOING TO BE PATIENT, AND ZORN IS OUR GUY. RIGHT NOW

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 27, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

It's bigger than Zorn

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | September 27, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

No one wants to coach the Redskins under Snyder. Its impossible to win with him as the owner. Players come to Washington to collect a massive paycheck and roll over on game days. Way too many dumb players like Smoot and Portis who talk the talk but don't walk the walk. Clean house! Get GM and can you have a hostile takeover with the owner.

Posted by: oneft2dice | September 27, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

But what is gained by firing Zorn now?
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Last week I agreed with those who defended Zorn, but I just can't. The team just seems to be getting worse. I'd feel differently if the Redskins lost due to a late turnover or some other freak event that happened but they stunk the whole game.

I agree that Zorn is over his head. I would also contend that an interim coach can't do much worse. I just can't make a business case justification for keeping Zorn.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 27, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Point to where he won the game for us.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Was Jon Jansen the starting tackle??? If so wtf...... He's on postgame...

Posted by: cocodc1 | September 27, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Red, I'm on a different computer right now. psps23 here.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Point to how Campbell lost the game, where?

I'm not pointing a finger at Campbell.

But singling out his play while ignoring (or not seeing, however you want to characterize it) the collapse of this team misses the point.

This team is just about ready to implode.

And talking about Campbell doing well is like saying that Mrs. Lincoln liked the play.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Anyone suggesting we fire Zorn right now is short-sighted. Yes, he is over his head. Yes, we may well go 3-13 with him in charge. But that's what it will take to get the #1 draft pick, and get a new QB for the new head coach we inevitably will have next season.

We don't want to win now. That's not in the best interests of the franchise. We need a catastrophe season, to revel in losing, so Snyder can see that Cerato is as much of a lost cause as Zorn is.

I say, welcome to the nadir! It can only get better!

Posted by: atlskins | September 27, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I think Jason Campbell made a lot of people realize he is not the problem (He played very well today) , and those knowledgeable about football understand that. Zorn will be 2nd guessed, I have no problem going for it on 4th and 1( Just call the Damn play right up the middle man).

Furthermore, how the hell does our D let them march down the field 99yards for a TD? That made me sick.

Blache Defensive schemes are do damn Vanilla.

Smoot might be the worst DB in the History of the NFL.

Blache and Zorn might be fired.

Posted by: gcoles32 | September 27, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

screw jansen....should be charged with theft for stealing from this team for years....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

laughing stock of NFL- Redskins, Lions, and Bengals. It is so foolish to have the highest payroll for this product. Overpaid, unmotivated, and players with no heart.

Posted by: japark89 | September 27, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

U either bleed burg. and gold or not...Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ and don't come back knocking in the future when things turn around...BANDwagon fan!

Posted by: leevi98


B.S. I havent missed a game since '95. I read every article, watch every interview, tape every game. Today was utterly embarrassing. The team has quit on Zorn. Not until they realized they would be the laughingstock of the NFL did they try and make it a game.

Keep Campbell. Fire Zorn.

And the team wont turn around until the front office gets a grip on reality and takes the team for what it is, mediocre-below average. These unrealistic expectations are the reason for the huge free agent signings and promises of playoff berths.

I rode my beach cruiser to the game in a Skins jersey, and was too disgusted to ride home with it on. Its not that Im not proud to be a Skins fan, it's that when the players are quitting on their coach and dont care, neither do I.

Posted by: saltine182 | September 27, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Firing Zorn does nothing..This team as a whole is awful. But someone should be fired. I would start with benching Campbell, firing Stump MItchell, and fire the Db's coach Gray. SOmebody needs to wake this team up. This season is far from over. Its week 3. We're 1-2. we could still pull of a ten win season. But I cant take it anymore, this team is god awful!!

Posted by: wm_mulholland | September 27, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Bring in Matt Millen!

Posted by: cletus1 | September 27, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I believe the person that should feel the MOST HEAT and be fired in season is Blache. He is unable to effectively utilize the talent on D. I understand our O line is suspect, but our D line should be dominating. Fire G. Blache!

Posted by: gov_warner | September 27, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

An overrated team loses. Go figure. Anybody surprised by this loss is an idiot.

Posted by: jeadpt | September 27, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Oooooooooooh, look at JC's QB rating!

Ahhhhhhhhh, look at JC's passing yardage!

Hey, meatheads: Look at his W-L record as a starter, 17-22.

He's not even "mediocre," as some of the kinder folk on RI have said. He's junk.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Also, let me add that the penalties are a reflection of coaching too.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 4:38 PM
yeah, what the heck, you got the team on the half yard line and you get an encroachment penalty!!!!!! That's just INEXCUSABLE!!!!

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 27, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

The Offense sucks but the Defense? Fire Blache. Fire him now.
For years there hasn't been any pressure on the QB. This is the weakest defense i've seen yet. No blitzes on a rookie QB, playing 10 yards off the WR, bad tackling, no emotion.
Zorn I can give a pass to, he didn't do a great job play calling but he took some chances.
If anyone thinks Campbell is the problem, you are out of your mind. The two minute drill with JC calling his own plays effective. The coach has to let him take control of the team.

Posted by: priceisright | September 27, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Bring in Matt Millen!

Good luck with that, er... movement.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Well said Saltine. Saying enough is enough, since the team is an insult to all we root for as fans, doesn't make you bandwagon.

Posted by: amcg | September 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, as a Maryland alum, I LOVE Jim Zorn today for taking all the heat off of Ralph Friedgen. Keep Zorn for as long as you want!" -mabkhar


Dear mabkhar ,

Thanks for your support. We will continue to get better and give this city and fanbase the team that they truly deserve. Continue to to show your support as it is very much appreciated

Sincerely Jim Zorn

Posted by: Jim_Zorn1 | September 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

DOES ANYONE HAVE JIM FASSEL EMAIL ADD?

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Way too many dumb players like Smoot and Portis who talk the talk but don't walk the walk.
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I agree with you about Portis. Snyder has enabled him and coddled him. Snyder openly allows Portis to undermine the coach and the team. I can only imagine the toxic impact it must have on the locker room.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Should be OK to fire Zorn now...right now I'm watching an underwhelming Steelers offense put up more yards and points in a quarter and a half than the Skins did all game against the worst team in football. There's nowhere to go but up from Zorn.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Point to how Campbell lost the game, where?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 27, 2009 4:53 PM
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The telling stat is JC's terrible 3rd down conversions today.. 2 for 10.
Thats the sign of a poor QB. If you looked at the slo motion replays, he only looks once at his primary receiver and no where else.. He locks in, and the DB's know this, so they can play back on 3rd down passing situations and still make up separation yardage because JC is telegraphing where he is passing (also why he was intercepted). Ergo his horrible 3rd down conversion stats.

If you examine his completions this week and last week, when they occur, half his stats are prevent D freebies.. When the D is leaving the middle open to run out the clock and/or get the ball back..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 27, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow... just wow. Well it's time to set our sights on that #1 draft pick, eh?

Posted by: pgugino | September 27, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

alan4, you must be JC's brother, agent or ???.. At least you're loyal..

He locks in on his primary receiver and cant make a progression (2nd Read) if that receiver is not open.. The opposing secondary knows this.. Thats why he was 2 for 10 in 3rd down conversions. Which WAS the problem...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 27, 2009 4:53 PM


SkinsneedaGM, JC must have stolen your mate or kicked your dog.

Other than Santana Moss, which Skins player can you honestly say played as well as or better than Campbell today?

You don't think the 2/10 3rd down conversion rate could also be related to the complete lack of a running game? Zero yards in the the first half?

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Man, it does look like Portis got old fast.

Just doesn't seem to have that explosion anymore.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Cut Jason Campbell now. We need somebody to step up and stop teams from getting 99 yard TD drives, and it's clear Campbell isn't that guy.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

mamarsha34...Your comments are dead on about how I'm feeling!!!

"I've been a Redskins fan my whole life...29 years and counting. Since our last Superbowl in '91' I've been holding on to the tradition of Redskins Football...Mr. Snyder you can rest assured I will never spend another dime in your stadium ever again. This is absolutely ridiculous!!! I like Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell (he is an absolutel gentleman!!!!) and I wish them both the best but they are not the answer. I know the NFL is a win now league but we are getting worse rather than better and this has been happening ever since the second half of last year. I've always hated the Ravens with passion but apparently they know what their doing. I NEVER EVER EVER THOUGHT I'D BE SAYING THIS BUT THE HELL WITH THE REDSKINS!!! I'm officially a Ravens fan now and let's go Flacco...and this as tearful as I am is the only way to go until our ownership understands it needs to get back to it's roots and realize what got us to where we were for so many years!!! I wish the Skins and the fans the best of luck in the future. My season tickets will not get renewed next year and my seats will be given to those folks that have never been to an NFL game for free..."

Posted by: lerche1 | September 27, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Next week plays vs Bucs
1st play run left 2 yard gain
2nd play run left 1 yard gain
3rd play pass to Betts 2 yard gain
punt
Zorn to Captin Check Down
What happen out there?
Captin Check Down
There was nothing there
Zorn
good call we will check the film on Monday
Bucs 9 Redskins 6

Posted by: LASKINSFAN | September 27, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem going for it on 4th and 1( Just call the Damn play right up the middle man).
Posted by: gcoles32 | September 27, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I agree, said before they went for it that they should go for it on 4th. but he needed to call any other play, you were less then 3 feet out. snap the ball and have your qb fall forward toward the goal line.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 27, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Other than Santana Moss, which Skins player can you honestly say played as well as or better than Campbell today?

You don't think the 2/10 3rd down conversion rate could also be related to the complete lack of a running game? Zero yards in the the first half?


Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse


Santana played great.

Everyone else sucked including JC17.

It's not that hard to figure.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

LOL shocker, at least the Ravens are exiting to watch...Honestly, why be fans to a team with a owner that has 0 idea how to win?

New Coach, Cowler? Like any true head coach would tarnish their legacy with no control and true GM. Why do you think Zorn was hired at the last moment???? They would only come here for $$ like in the past...

Posted by: rb_rivers | September 27, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

This team has no leadership @ all. For now: FIRE ZORN & bench Campbell. @ the end of season fire Ceratto & the whole damn coaching staff!!!!!

Posted by: skinhead62 | September 27, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Skins still haven't updated their website..... or there is too many people visiting the site clamoring for Zorn to go and their band width can't handle it.

Posted by: saltine182 | September 27, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

screw jansen....should be charged with theft for stealing from this team for years....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 4:56 PM


More garbage from you...there's nothing you can say that'll make me believe we couldn't have used Jansen today. 0 rushing yards in the first half against the Lions???? Stephon Heyer my ass...you'll be able to count the TDs scored by this offense the rest of the year on one hand!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 27, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

MATT MILLEN= Vinny Cerrato

3 Draft picks, Marko Mitchell, Chris Horton, and Brian Orakpo

2 seven round picks, and 1 first round pick who show flashes.

Posted by: japark89 | September 27, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Where was Anthony Aldridge? What the f%#k did you re-sign him for if you were not going to play him, that field would have been a fast track for him.

Where was Marko Mitchell? What the hell do you have these players for if your not going to use them?

Blache, did it occur to you blitzing tends to rattle rookie QB's sometimes? Dam!!

I'm sick of this STUPID AZZ TEAM!!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 27, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Stick a fork in the 'Skins
Posted by Mike Florio on September 27, 2009 4:28 PM ET
Perhaps the only good news for the Washington Redskins today is that the damage to defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth's hip wasn't serious.

The damage to coach Jim Zorn's coaching career could be fatal.

The Detroit Lions have notched their first win since December 23, 2007.

And so the calls for Zorn's head will intensify in D.C., and an interim coach will be installed by the launch of the bye week on October 25, if not sooner.

Then, next year, it'll be Mike Shanahan or Mike Holmgren calling the shots in D.C.

Though some might think that Bill Cowher also will be in the mix, two issues likely make it unlikely that he'd get the job. First, Cowher would want full control over the football operations, and owner Danier Snyder would be reluctant to agree, especially if it means minimizing (or firing) V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato.

Also, Cowher's mentor (Marty Schottenheimer) might have a thing or two to share with Cowher regarding Schottenheimer's one-year experience with the team in 2001. Schottenheimer secured full control, fired Cerrato, went 8-8, and then was fired.

In the end, look for a high-stakes auction to break out between the Cowboys and the Redskins for Shanahan, with the loser getting Holmgren.


Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

the d let us down today. i think the rook led detroit on consecutive drives of 9,11, and 12 plays in the first half. blache brought no pressure (as usual). maybe he'll be under a lil bit more of a microscope given the playmakers on d and lack of plays made.

i didn't have too many issues with the playcalling, taking the penalty in the 1st q woulda been ok if the d woulda stepped up. i dunno. detroit gave us tha bidness though. time to regroup.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 27, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Cut Jason Campbell now. We need somebody to step up and stop teams from getting 99 yard TD drives, and it's clear Campbell isn't that guy.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse


Your right. Cut the defense.

We need players who can do more than muster 14 points with half of those coming against an end-of-game prevent D, and our defense clearly can't get the ball in the end zon.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Take JC out of the game and start TC to see if JC is the problem or not.

Remove the play calling from JZ to see if it is JZ that is the problem.

Otherwise we are getting the same ole shti once again next week.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

kelly/dt/davis all had receptions in the first quarter, then NOTHING the rest of the game....this is a micro-cosm of what ails this team. JC, while not the problem today, LOCKS in on ONE guy, and can't get away from him. He needs to get those 3 guys 4-5 balls a game. Cooley was limping pretty badly at the end, anyone know anything..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Folks, there's another team/organization in Washington that's much better than the Redskins - the Capitals. Their season starts Oct 1st., root for them and be winners.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | September 27, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

All right, kids, calm down. Yes, the Skins lost, but in the game I watched, they looked intense -- as did their very determined opponent, with its capable new coach and #1 pick QB. The Lions will win again and again this year (3 more? 5? Beats me.). It seems that the O-line is what is most in need of shoring up, what with Portis only getting 42 yards. Now, why is it we have this situation with our O-line? Campbell? Zorn? It's a rhetorical question. Here's what everybody should do (but won't). We accept that the other team was capable and motivated, and that they beat our team in a close, hard-fought game. The fans and even more so the ownership are part of the problem. If the fans and owner weren't so fickle, Zorn probably wouldn't have gone for it on 4th and goal from the 1 in the opening quarter. (Yes, it was his call, and I would have done it, too, as would almost all of you. Admit it.) Give them a sense of security to develop. Campbell and Zorn have the tools. Build the team through this year and the next. Do something different for a change: breathe through our noses, avoid running around like headless manic chickens, let the pros make adjustments. If it's not working by the end of the 2010 campaign, maybe another quality coach will respect the organization enough to take the job. Peace.

Posted by: 7snider7 | September 27, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Leave Zorn and some players in detriot.

Posted by: japark89 | September 27, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Man, it does look like Portis got old fast.

Just doesn't seem to have that explosion anymore.

Posted by: SteveMG
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Yeah, but our O-line is getting manhandled (you ever see them actually going forward on a running play?), so how is he going to go anywhere? Keep that in mind.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 27, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Insert Todd Collins. 341 yards and 2 TDs aren't enough from your QB. If Todd Collins was in, Clinton Portis scores on 4th and goal.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Its bad when u cant wait for the offseason and its only the 3rd week.... SMDH.. This is what i waited all summer for???

Posted by: cocodc1 | September 27, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Man, it does look like Portis got old fast.

Just doesn't seem to have that explosion anymore.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

If you didn't believe in your leaders would you be explosive?

Posted by: leevi98 | September 27, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

So when Jason Campbell is directing the offense and calling his own plays, he's gotten into the End Zone twice. The same number as when Zorn calls the plays. So why, again, does Zorn think his QB isn't good enoguh to audible in the Red Zone?

Given the team's struggles, the 4th and goal decision was dumb. The downside was much bigger than the upside. It demoralized the Skins and fired up the Lions.

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 27, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

U know I remember being proud to be a skins fan! I still am but this is getting rediculous! I agree zorn should be fired! But u DON'T do it now! Play with what u got, if they stink they stink.
They have NO ONE and I mean NO ONE to take over. The biggest problem starts with Snyder! FIRE cerrato and get soemone that knows football. Go after cower! Or Chucky!! FIRE Blache!!! I liked I liked Greg Williams! At least he brought the pain and didnt sit there and let them pick u apart! Though I like Cower! Chuck all the coaches let the new coach hire EVERY coach he wants Get a REAL GM!

You player will come and go but it all starts in the front office and as we all know what rolls down hill. We have some real talent! Not the most talented but we do have some talent. I really love Cooley and I think he could be are best player! so u keep him and some other guys! Get rid of the rest(especially our corners)! We need all new o_line and wont even talk about JC. I think its partially him and Zorn. JC isn't the answer but even though he doesn't say it Zorn doesn't trust him enough to do anything. That last play call seemed like a give up to me. I am and will ALWAYS be a skins fan but the SNYDER era is getting really insane!


And I haven't heard anymore but if we somehow have to change our name I have no clue what would happen then, They will always will be the Redskins and don't know how that would effect them and the fan base. I keep trying to see the positive but there isn't much positive left. Firing anyone at this point is pointless, except for benching your QB maybe. Where's chase now? I could here if Colt wasn't on ir, whether he's the answer or not. I wish someone would buy the team from Snyder who actually would put them in the situation to be a successful team and hire people that KNOW football run the team and coach the team. (i Know that won't happen, but I can dream can't I)? Well guys lets just try and get through whats gonna be another LONg season.

Posted by: skinsfsu | September 27, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

JC defenders please stay away. No yards when it mattered, crap yards in garbage time, don't tell me about his QB rating.

He cannot lead this offense anywhere. 1 pick plus 4 balls in and out of the hands of DET defense.

I predicted a huge victory. I guess I was wrong.

Posted by: zornskins2 | September 27, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Cut Jason Campbell now. We need somebody to step up and stop teams from getting 99 yard TD drives, and it's clear Campbell isn't that guy.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness

I'll say this one more time. Yes, the defense was rocked for most of the game. They gave up some long drives. But it was 13-7 in the fourth quarter, we had every chance to score a TD, how is that the defense's fault that we couldn't score? They actually did a good job in the fourth quarter stopping them until the pass interference on us. We had every opportunity to take the lead. As bad as the defense played we were in the game and at some point the offense must help out the defense...

But nevertheless, the offense is equally to blame as the defense.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Dig up Jack Kent Cooke and let his skeletel remains run the team. It's all gone south since he died.

www.digupjackkentcooke.com

Posted by: nixx46 | September 27, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

My reasoning for benching JC is because I want a QB who WILL win games for the Skins. I could care less if he did not lose the game, he did nothing to win the game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Like the saying in the movie Remember the Titans- "Attitude reflects Leadership". The skins have inadequate 'LEADERSHIP.'
From the top to the bottom.

Posted by: madalao | September 27, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

there's nothing you can say that'll make me believe we couldn't have used Jansen today.............

there you go.....nice....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Of course it's the D's fault.

They should hold every team to 7 points a game, not a point more. They owe that much to the Redskins anemic offense.

The Redskin would be 3-0 if not for this defense, even though the offense has score 17 (7 of which was a Hunter Smith ST TD), 9, and 14 points, respectively.

If this were the 1940's, they probably would be 3-0. But the NFL is built on scoring. And those teams who do not score at least 21 pts a game are destined to lose MOST of their games.

But hey, let's blame the defense. God forbid you bench an ineffective QB who threw 3 INTs (two were dropped), dropped a fake handoff (it luckily bounced back at him) and fumbled another ball (which he luckily fell on).

No, it's never JC. Why should ANYONE expect the QB of a football team to make the plays and get the wins?

Whoever came up with such a screwy philosophy?

They should be fired.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21 wrote:
Oooooooooooh, look at JC's QB rating!

Ahhhhhhhhh, look at JC's passing yardage!

Hey, meatheads: Look at his W-L record as a starter, 17-22.

He's not even "mediocre," as some of the kinder folk on RI have said. He's junk.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 4:59 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Boz said it best,
"Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities, rank lower. "

Same lack of skills exhibited today when Skins made 2 of 10 3rd down conversions.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 27, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The one constant through the last 10 years is Snyder and for that matter Cerato. The only year Vinnie was neutrlized was when Marty was coach. ( By the way the "Skins were on a roll, he ended the season 8-3 in the last 11 games and they had hope for the future)

So the owner fires him and brings in a "name"

Folks,get used to this kind of a season. The only reason they made the playoffs recently is because Joe Gibbs is one of the great NFL coaches because the talent on the field wasn't there.

I thought they would go 5-11 before the season started and I posted it. I now think if they go 3-13, they will be lucky.

If Snyder is not the worst owner in professional sports, one doesn't exist.

He will not can Vinnie because any real GM he hired would not do his bidding.

The franchise is a mess and will continue to be a mess. Snyder's ego will not permit him to admit he has been wrong for 10 years and turn over the football operations to real football people.

Recall that Beathard turned him down as well as the parade of coaching candidates he brought in last year after Gibbs retired prematurely because he couldn't work for the Mutt and Jeff act in the front ofiice.

Posted by: pjente | September 27, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

With an easy game next week and a generally soft first half schedule, the redskins can easily turn it around and make the playoffs. Fans will always remember the great turnaround season of 2009. With Stafford, CJ, and K Smith, Detroit is a much improved young team that we will most likely get a rematch with in the NFC Championship game this year. That was the first of many epic battles in years to come between the NFC's two dominant powerhouses. Thats my spin on all of this, and I'm sticking to it so i don't go completely crazy.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 27, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

At the start of this year I would have been 100% confident that this Skins defense would have eaten up a rookie QB. Just destroyed him. Confused him, knocked him around...

This is really a puzzle.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

We suck. God We SUCK.

1. Going on 4th in first quarter: good call. Players need to man up and make a play there, sellers didn't bother to really block anybody. You gotta be able to beef a yard and they didn't, because they suck. Defense takes over at the half yard line and we immediately make it 1st and 5 from the 5 with an offsides, Det then drives 99.5 yards for a TD, sort of.

2. D bends doesn't break, forces a FG from the 31. But Wait! we let them off the hook by getting greedy to prevent a long FG kick. Brilliant! We give up a 3rd and 13 first down and then a TD vice 3. 10 point swing, we don't get at least a FG, then give up a TD. Lovely. This is where players have to wonder WTF the HC is actually doing there. Give up the 3 after the stop and go score. But Noooooooo. We gotta be to cute by half yet again. Because our coach SUCKS.

3. Team is playing uninspired football, no passion. Refuse to lose? Hell, we refuse to win and only the Lambs' even greater ineptitude prevented them from winning last week. Gotta hang that on the players to a pretty bi (but not all) portion...but of course you can't fire all the players, you fire the coach in that situation.

4. So, I'm not against firing the head coach, but if we fire the HC, we are also firing the OC and the QB coach. So IF you fire Zorn, who do you bring in? Who even WOULD come in? Self placed between a huge rock and a hard place. Lose lose situations are not good. They, in fact, SUCK.

5. Refs sucked (Horton interference, Santana face mask no call) but my God WE SUCK MORE.

6. JC played well. Again. He doesn't suck.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 27, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

This team might go 1-15 if they do not fire Zorn now.

Posted by: japark89 | September 27, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

If Todd Collins is in, Zorn doesn't take the penalty on 3rd down, and Carter probably wraps up Stafford on a 20 yard scramble. Bench Campbell.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Dig up Jack Kent Cooke and let his skeletel remains run the team. It's all gone south since he died.

www.digupjackkentcooke.com

Posted by: nixx46 | September 27, 2009 5:08 PM |

It started going south well before he died like when he hired Norv Turner.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

nixx46, I was thinking the same thing.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | September 27, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

the worst part is we didn't just lose, we got dominated by them.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 27, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

The Lion's Offensive Coordinator put on a play calling clinic compared to Zorn. The Z-man doesn't get it. Five running backs on the roster... makes sense when you can hardly run the ball.

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 27, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have Mike Shanahan's cell number?

Snyder needs to give him the keys to the organization and fire Vinny!

Posted by: mohammed10 | September 27, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

B-Mitch said it right about the Skins on Post Game Live on CSN...Wake up Dan and Snyder! To me, the Skins problems start at the top! Get rid of Vinny first!

Posted by: rusty6 | September 27, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Season is not over. The team can rebound from this. It's a road loss, big f'ing deal.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 27, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

skins fans are such a joke

Posted by: BMACattack | September 27, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"I've been a Redskins fan my whole life...29 years and counting. Since our last Superbowl in '91' I've been holding on to the tradition of Redskins Football...Mr. Snyder you can rest assured I will never spend another dime in your stadium ever again. This is absolutely ridiculous!!! I like Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell (he is an absolutel gentleman!!!!) and I wish them both the best but they are not the answer. I know the NFL is a win now league but we are getting worse rather than better and this has been happening ever since the second half of last year. I've always hated the Ravens with passion but apparently they know what their doing. I NEVER EVER EVER THOUGHT I'D BE SAYING THIS BUT THE HELL WITH THE REDSKINS!!! I'm officially a Ravens fan now and let's go Flacco...and this as tearful as I am is the only way to go until our ownership understands it needs to get back to it's roots and realize what got us to where we were for so many years!!! I wish the Skins and the fans the best of luck in the future. My season tickets will not get renewed next year and my seats will be given to those folks that have never been to an NFL game for free..."

Posted by: lerche1 | September 27, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Yup Ravens have a great team / Owner... Skins have been lame for too long and will not change with Synder...Hopefully others will see and stop contributing to failure..

Posted by: rb_rivers | September 27, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Okay so assuming Snyder does not fire Zorn tomorrow which I don't think he'll do what needs to happen this week?

Clearly something has to happen we can't think they're going to just look at film and figure out the mistakes.

I agree with whoever said every position is open to whoever shows up and practices their arses off. We can't get worse at this point because losing more games simply confirms what we all think.

The problem with Zorn is I don't know if he has the personality to come out in public and call every single player to the mat. Of course I don't think he has the backing from the FO to do that either.

Ugh - I continue to be at a loss as to what happens now.

Posted by: sfskin | September 27, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

RIGHT ON FLORIDACAPSFAN. I'm in Ft. Myers and I've been a Caps fan forever. I love the Skins but Daniel Snyder and Peter Angelos should take a lesson from Ted Leonsis about how to build a winner. Sadly those two losers don't care about the product on field. THey only care about bodies in the seats. That's the way it will always be until those two numbskulls get out of town. Snyder - Moe, Angelos - Larry, and thankfully there is no one to assume the role of Curly.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | September 27, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

My reasoning for benching JC is because I want a QB who WILL win games for the Skins. I could care less if he did not lose the game, he did nothing to win the game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse


Pretty much sums it up.

We can quote some of JC's stat lines, and conveniently ignore the fact that chunks of those numbers have come in end-of-game situations against soft prevent Ds.

Bottom line: When have you last seen JC17 come up in the clutch and actually do something great to lead the team to victory?

You can't have a "game manager" Qb on a mediocre team. If the D and running game aren't going to carry the load, then JC is not the man for the job.

Posted by: p1funk | September 27, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

we have a Qb coach as a head coach. He has no business in calling plays. He is the worst. Lions have one of the worst defenses and cannot think of plays that will work. Go get a copy of Madden Game and insert them into your 2 page playbook.

Posted by: japark89 | September 27, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

More garbage from you...there's nothing you can say that'll make me believe we couldn't have used Jansen today. 0 rushing yards in the first half against the Lions???? Stephon Heyer my ass...you'll be able to count the TDs scored by this offense the rest of the year on one hand!

Posted by: brownwood26 |

Hey, there was a poll on here that said we don't have to hear your stuff until Monday. Go away til then please.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Lions converted 75% of their third downs. That doesn't happen if Collins is in the game. Bench Campbell.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

***** It's time to jettison a large portion of the coaching staff from Redskins Park.

***** It's starts with Zorn and extends to many of the assistant coaches. The Offensive coordinator, the Receiver's coach, the Safeties and Cornerbacks coach, the D-line coach, the RBs coach, and the O-line coach (yes, Buges has to go)should be cast out like lepers.

***** In fact, the Linebackers coach and Special Teams coach are the only assistants that should retain their jobs - the rest are dispensable.

***** Disgraceful to watch the product on the field. It's embarrassing. The problem is coaching - plain and simple...

Utterly astonishing

Posted by: all_star_0013 | September 27, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Folks,get used to this kind of a season. The only reason they made the playoffs recently is because Joe Gibbs is one of the great NFL coaches because the talent on the field wasn't there.

I thought they would go 5-11 before the season started and I posted it. I now think if they go 3-13, they will be lucky.

If Snyder is not the worst owner in professional sports, one doesn't exist.

He will not can Vinnie because any real GM he hired would not do his bidding.

The franchise is a mess and will continue to be a mess. Snyder's ego will not permit him to admit he has been wrong for 10 years and turn over the football operations to real football people.

Recall that Beathard turned him down as well as the parade of coaching candidates he brought in last year after Gibbs retired prematurely because he couldn't work for the Mutt and Jeff act in the front ofiice.

Posted by: pjente | September 27, 2009 5:09 PM |

Gibbs was picking the talent jackazz, he was in complete charge while he was here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

At the start of this year I would have been 100% confident that this Skins defense would have eaten up a rookie QB. Just destroyed him. Confused him, knocked him around...

This is really a puzzle.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 5:10 PM

Amen! I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the fact that our D couldn't get a single turnover from the Detroit Lions... the rookie QB had 5 INTs coming into the game.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the D gave up way too many yards to the Lions, but come on, any real NFL offense should be able to score 21 points. That would have won the game for the Skins.

Offensive Incompetence!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

A new LOW for Washington. I don't know where to start....owner, GM, coach, players. Yall just screwed the pooch today!!!

Posted by: dc4life | September 27, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

At this point I say fire Zorn, Sherman Smith, and Blache (I like him but you can't give up the drives/points/3rd down conversions we did to the Lions) hire Shanahan who is traveling around with his D-coordinator and treat the rest of the season as a learn the system/tryout extended preseason style prior to our roster overhaul that will happen no matter what, too many guys are old or in contract years, we have big turnover no matter what.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 27, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Portis scores on 4th and goal if Collins is in the game. And he definitely averages at least 4 yards a carry if Collins were in there. Bench Campbell.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Somebody tell Wilbon that Blache is and ought to be on his way out. DEFENSE lost this game. Pathetic. These guys are a good defense in reputaion only. Even last year their stats looked good but they failed when the team really needed a stop.

Now, to completely contradict myself, the Lions have a high first round pick at Left tackle, WR, Tight end and the first overall pick at QB, so to say this team is bereft of talent on offense is crap. However, they are young and a supposed "great defense" should be able to stop them.

Posted by: CTSkins | September 27, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Game 1: 10* points. Game 2: 9 points, and Game 3: 14 points.

That doesn't cut it in the NFL.

Bench Campbell now.

*I don't credit Campbell with Hunter Smith's TD. I credit Hunter (and Danny) Smith.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

That last play was hideous, and I mean the calling of it. Why not take the shot at the end zone? It's not like you had anything to lose at that point, not even pride.
Posted by: kmcandrew | September 27, 2009 4:42 PM

Someone, anyone, PLEASE tell me when,in ANY pro OR college game, the hook and ladder has EVER been called when the QB was in comfortable throwing range of the endzone. Going for it on 4th was fine, running CP left AGAIN wasn't. And I don't even want to think about taking that penalty instead of forcing 4th down.

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 27, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

It's probably too early to look at a bright side, but I will try.

With a win today, this dysfunctional operation may have continued on with the same upchuck coming out of their mouth. There is no getting around this one, they were uninspired, undisciplined, and ineffective. This had to get worse before it can get any better, pretty much there now, wouldn't you say?

The best news I got today... a realtor buddy, living just outside of Charlotte, called to say Cowher's house is on the market.

Posted by: k_square | September 27, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

It is hard for me not to think that if we just put the 3 points on the board instead of going for it on 4th and 1 (lord knows we have problems getting that one yard) we would have only needed a field goal to tie it in the end instead of needing a TD. Once again suspect calling by Zorn. Has he ever heard of play action pass to Cooley in the middle of the end zone? Jets seemed to have a good idea of how to play it. Another thing that completely pissed me off is how lackadaisical the whole team plays. They looked like they just gave up. No intensity whatsoever. I think a lot of hits falls squarely on the shoulders of Zorn. I am sick of changing coaches what seems like every other year, but think it might be Cowher time. Let him be the GM or hire one and get Vinny the hell out of town.

Posted by: dwninit71 | September 27, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Zorn definitely needs to be fired... but not until their is some kind of succession plan (both temporary and long term), otherwise it is just another rash, impulisve act by our ownership. If/when Zorn does go, Vinnie will go with him if there is any justice in this world (Vinnie being the person who put Zorn into that spot in the first place). It's hard to have any hope while Snyder is the owner...

I think I could only get excited again if he publicily acknowledge the need to seperate himself from all football-related aspects of the business, and hires a Parcels-type GM to come in, clean house, and rebuild this team from scratch. Anything else will just be more of the same old cr@p that we have been looking at for the better part of a decade now.

Posted by: PDXskin | September 27, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

thank god i spent the first half of the redskins game today at verizon center watching the washington caps beat the new york rangers. . . .great owner, that loves and listens to his fan base. ...great GM. .. and great players that are all in touch with the fans. ... GO CAPS!!!!

Posted by: madmax521 | September 27, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

One more say about this. Yes, I agree that putting the blame on JC is completely moronic. But he doesn't do anything to help us win. When it was 13-7 in the fourth quarter, we had at least three possessions to score a TD to take the lead and we never did. He had some passes that sailed on him, another that fell out of his hand...

As much as they ran all over us, the game was 13-7 and very much winnable in the fourth quarter!!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse
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rachel, as a person who played the position I can't disagree with you more. In fact, this game and last game solidified it for me, Campbell is an excellent QB, and is not the problem of this team, he has an idiot of a Head Coach he's dealing with. In the second to the last drive, Campbell himself called those plays. They were in the Red Zone and they scored a TD. Zorn would have got in his own way had he called them. True in the game he threw a couple pass that should have been flatter over the middle and he did throw the pick, but those things will happen in the course of the game. Point being he moved the team up and down the field with ease.

Secondly, I'm totally convinced Heyer cannot play the tackle position, his splits and hand placement are wrong he fires late off the ball, and his head is not in the game. He was called for another false start today. And was beat repeatedly today.

Defensively, where do I begin. At the end of the season, the Carlos Rogers project must end. Smoot should retire or we cut him, his lost legs two seasons ago. Blache can't make an adjustment to save his life. There are no words to account for the loss of Sean Taylor, there is no fear for receivers to catch passes in the middle of our defense. Hall is just an incredibly fast whiffer, he's the defensive equivalent to Trung Candidate.

We're in for a long season, but one things for sure its not JC's, London Fletcher's, or Rock's fault. They are the only ones playing with heart on the team right know. Rock easily could have packed it in after getting knocked down the depth chart this week. I will give Haynesworth some love to play through a hip flexor, don't know if anyone has had one of those but they hurt like hell...but then again, if I had $100 million, it wouldn't hurt as much either.

Posted by: clark202 | September 27, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Riggo's twitter is priceless: http://twitter.com/riggo44

Really chewing out Snyder and Zorn for hanging out with Tom Cruise and whatshername before the game. I'm not sure that's the biggest problem this team has, but it's fun to read.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

It's all in the Vinny!

Posted by: dkane3 | September 27, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

The franchise is a mess and will continue to be a mess. Snyder's ego will not permit him to admit he has been wrong for 10 years and turn over the football operations to real football people.
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And I've also made this unpopular point. The Redskins are the 2nd most profitable team in the NFL. As long as the team continues to remain very profitable, why does Snyder care if they lose? He's more than earned his investment back several times over. And he won't change until the team loses money, games start being blacked out, and so forth. But team is far away from that.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 27, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Jonathan6, I love the 'skins too, in fact I was a fan of theirs (in the '80s') before I became a Caps fan. The two organizations are far far apart.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | September 27, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

You DO NOT lose to the Lions. Period.

Posted by: mohammed10 | September 27, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

What happened to my by /CP?? WTF was Rock in?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 27, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I gave up my Direct TV NFL package last year as they were so bad it wasn't worth the money and aggravation. It looks to me that the Campbell-Zorn thing is not working. I had hoped that maybe Danny would get Cohwer and leave Zorn as QB coach, but with the miserable performance of the QB and the rest of the offense there is no way. We thought Spurrier was bad (he was!) but this combo is only gettin' worse. Let's change the bath water once more.

Posted by: jwkoest | September 27, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

JC didn't have a bad game. He had a 97.6 rating. When he runs the 2-minute drill, things get moving.

Zorn is just terrible at calling plays. Blache and the defense was HORRENDOUS. Our secondary has to be the worst in the league.

I honestly don't feel comfortable about firing Zorn though (unless good old Joe decides to un-retire again) because it's something that we have done this past decade with disastrous results. I really don't want rebuild again.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 27, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Today is not a day for defending anything redskins. A joke from owner to towel boy.

That said, fire Zorn. I know thats not sensible but i am sick of mr maroon & black as coach of my beloved Skins.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Barno = complete homer retard

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 27, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Boycott Redskins...join the Ravens bandwagon!

Posted by: mohammed10 | September 27, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Buy hey, how about our new punter?

Five punts for almost a 46.0 average.

And he's the team's leading TD scorer.

Oy.

Yeah, please shoot me and put me out of my misery.

And make it two or three shots just to be sure.

Just don't let Plaxico do the shooting. Lord knows who'll he hit but it won't be me.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

larry, just when I thought you weren't an idiot, you convince me otherwise...yep, they're not in shape, and nice job cementing your idiocy by using Lavar as a reference point....please stick your head in a toilet, and flush..........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 4:52 PM


Nice try BeantownGreg1,

But you fell short. You see if you hadda red my posts carefully you would have regconized that I was talking about a complete Football Team. Coaching, GMing, and yes training.

You thought I was talking about players being in shape, but I was talking about Football Teams.

We haven't had a real GM since Bobby Bethard and Zorn could be a great coach but he needs a GM to kick his butt. Bobby Mitchell could and would.

Danny Snyder is the type of Owner that I like and I wish he would go back to his early days and and become a lot more proactive.

Our two greatest offensive threats, Portis and Moss, haven't done anything lately, but we strategize for them instead of having a complete offensive stategy for all the players that we are paying.

There is no way that a fullback like the one we have should not be running the ball.

And the reason why I bring up Lavar and BMitch is because a lot of you miss the fact that great players can change a game, but scheme players cannot.

The reason they are great is because they break schemes to make plays that the Team sorely needs. There are no LaVarr Arringtons and Brian Mitchells on this Team.

No players on this Team are stepping out of the box to make a play because they are afraid to deviate from the scheme.

Jason Campbell is a good QB but Zorn thinks the WCO is better.

I hope you are right and Danny boy either demotes or fires Zorn on Monday.

It is the Coaches fault and the GM for the state of this Team.

Somebody better call Bobby Mitchell and get some real Football advice.

Look at the comments on this board. A good lot of them are on the money.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 27, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

This is endgame for Snyder - it's been building for years. More and more HC candidates reject his overtures. The pool of candidates shrinks. Does anyone - including Florio at PFT - really believe that Holmgren, Shananhan or Cowher will consider Dysfunction Juntion in Ashburn? Or any up and coming HC candidates? it's BAD when Spags turns down the Skins for the sorry, no account Rams. Each of these former HC's have had complete control of football operations or will demand it - and Snyder will never give up his playtoys. Maybe Gruden can be enticed with $8-10 million a year since control of football operations may be secondary. Getting fired as HC of the Skins is a badge of honor now. Snyder is reaping what he sows and I will enjoy every moment of his torment. I have no expectations for the team, and have not had any for years. It is liberating.

Posted by: i155133 | September 27, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"In fact, this game and last game solidified it for me, Campbell is an excellent QB, and is not the problem of this team"

As someone that studies the position religiously, I couldn't agree with you more.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Portis scores on 4th and goal if Collins is in the game. And he definitely averages at least 4 yards a carry if Collins were in there. Bench Campbell.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness.

PSPS, how can it be any worse to play Collins? To me, this team needs a shake up and at worse we find out that TC sucks as well, but JC is not winning games, so what's to lose?

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Good last play of the game their Cambell! But at least it will help your stats, so just like most other games your stats are up their with the best (except win/loss column).

And Hayns(Stubblefied)worthless epitomizes this organization...pick up players past their prime and over-pay them and this is what you get.

Posted by: wizard5 | September 27, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Requiem for Zorn.
His passing is very sad.
Not unlike Campbell's.

Posted by: Haikuist | September 27, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Our two greatest offensive threats, Portis and Moss, haven't done anything lately

except for the td/130+ yards that moss had today, you mean right?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr.'s Snyder and Cerrato,

How long will you keep making the same mistakes and getting the same results before you realize that you don't know what you're doing?

The definition of insanity according to Albert Einstein: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 27, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

psps and others were the ones saying (after week 1) that JC is not only not the problem, but that they'd likely be 5-2 to start.

Right.

Jason Campbell does everything well, except WIN.

Now, if you don't mind having that small negative in your starting QB, then sure, keep letting him start every week.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Fire Blache! This defense can never get off the field on 3rd down. This guy is has terrible calls on defense. He teaches his DB's to play 10 yards off, they never get INT's..they never get pressure on the QB...this guy is a joke. Period.

Posted by: jocool_19 | September 27, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell does everything well, except WIN.

Now, if you don't mind having that small negative in your starting QB, then sure, keep letting him start every week.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 5:29 PM

Sonny J didn't win much either. But that doesn't mean he was the problem with the Skins.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

howcome nobody is bringing up when Zorn accepted the penalty that made it 3&13 instead of declining it to make it 4th down and force a field goal? I know he wanted to test Stafford but decline the penalty and be satisfied with giving up 3 points.

Posted by: shortman4 | September 27, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I really feel sorry for Jim Zorn. This was the perfect opportunity for him as an Offensive Coordinator. Unfortunately he didn't get the chance.

Posted by: mardiros | September 27, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I have no expectations for the team, and have not had any for years. It is liberating.

Posted by: i155133 | September 27, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Sundays are much easier once you give up hope.

Posted by: az_david | September 27, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Good last play of the game their Cambell! But at least it will help your stats, so just like most other games your stats are up their with the best (except win/loss column).

And Hayns(Stubblefied)worthless epitomizes this organization...pick up players past their prime and over-pay them and this is what you get.
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Wizard that last play came in from either Zorn or Stump Mitchell. Detroit called time out and I saw JC come to the sidelines and get the play call. Typical of Zorn. It's also typical that Aldrige was active but did not play, and Marko Mitchell was inactive and could have been used in that situation. Kelly, Thomas, and Mitchell are excellent receivers to "jump ball" to. All three should have been in for the Hail Mary not the hook and lateral and lateral and lateral play.

Posted by: clark202 | September 27, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

this was the motivation we needed see u non believers super bowl sunday

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 27, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

BG, while your small points (yes moss had a good game) defending anything redskins today is straight tart. They deserve any/all bashing, even the dumb stuff.

Sports is about results, and having watched every putrid second of this season...this team deserves zero defending.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

it's excellent that this team lost today, in retrospect. it's about damn time this team hit rock bottom. they need to be told that they suck and they need to feel crappy and responsible for their actions. now the expectations are gone, and they can start from scratch. when peoples' egos are torn, they tend to put more effort in whatever they do

Posted by: kman2 | September 27, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I blame MrRedskin21. He's obviously wearing his unlucky XXXL sweatpants today.

Posted by: mack1 | September 27, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Time to stink so we can Draft Tim Tebow!

Posted by: jocool_19 | September 27, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

this was the motivation we needed see u non believers super bowl sunday

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 27, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse
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See you as well at the Buffalo Wild Wings watching to other teams play.

Posted by: clark202 | September 27, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

sfskin.. agree..
The Skins are one of the few teams in the NFL that "Play the Contract Size" and not the player that wins the previous week's Practice. None of the starting players are competing for their jobs each practice. Not sure if its Front Office pressure.. but, from what I have read, the players are not competing week by week for who will play on Sunday. JC never has to compete for his job against Collins each week. Actually bad example.. JC has never had to compete for his job ever.
Regardless, this "non competitive" oddity of how the Redskins operate during the week, I believe is the primary reason, as a team, they look listless and unmotivated.
Why bust your butt (1st string and 2nd string), when you know its the size of the Contract that dictates who Starts, not who performs the best during practice.

An example of teams that DO PLAY the best player from the previous practice week, are the NE Pats and the NY Giants. And this is why they are so good at player development.
A well known coach that also followed this "best player from practice plays on Sunday" philosophy was Lombardi.

So, will Zorn "man up" and "stand up" to Vinny and Dan and tell the team on Tuesday that there are no guaranteed starting jobs and everyone has to fight for their position??
Whereas, as a possibility, an Aldridge might beat out a Portis?? I doubt Zorn will do it..But, that is what the best teams do.
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sfskin wrote:
I agree with whoever said every position is open to whoever shows up and practices their arses off. We can't get worse at this point because losing more games simply confirms what we all think.

The problem with Zorn is I don't know if he has the personality to come out in public and call every single player to the mat. Of course I don't think he has the backing from the FO to do that either.

Ugh - I continue to be at a loss as to what happens now.

Posted by: sfskin | September 27, 2009 5:12 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 27, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"PSPS, how can it be any worse to play Collins?"

341 yards and 2 TDs? It can be a LOT worse. People are grasping at straws to pin the problems, but it is painfully obvious that the ONLY functioning position right now is the quarterback position and the aerial game (minus special teams). The defense is letting up monster drives, isn't closing out on 3rd downs, isn't creating big plays, is getting KILLED in time of possession from the very beginning of the first quarter, the running game is anemic, the only successful running plays are misdirection plays, the power game is atrocious, the playcalling is dumbed down in crunch situations....and replacing a productive Campbell with Todd Collins is going to change that?

Sorry, I don't buy it. Not in a thousands years. When Campbell starts playing poorly, then it's time to bench him. That's not happening right now.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

and with the first overall pick of the 2010 draft, the Washington Redskins select (put your favorite mock no. 1 here, doesnt matter which position)

Posted by: arbano1 | September 27, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

This is what we wanted JC17 to do...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d812f33ea/WK-3-Can-t-Miss-Play-Favre-s-game-winner

Apparently, he doesn't know where the endzone is! WTF do you pass it to Rock Cartwright in the middle of the field with no TO left? And WTF is CP at?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 27, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Zorn and Campbell will resurface in another NFL life and perform well. I delight in the torment that Snyder suffers when Norv Turner beats the Skins or Snyder is tuning into the playoffs and watching the Chargers and how well Rivers has developed as a franchise QB under Turner...while Snyder devolves into the worst owner in the NFL.

Posted by: i155133 | September 27, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I blame MrRedskin21. He's obviously wearing his unlucky XXXL sweatpants today.

Posted by: mack1 | September 27, 2009 5:34 PM |
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LOL.... It's true.

I put the hex on them.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Time to stink so we can Draft Tim Tebow!

Posted by: jocool_19 | September 27, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse
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Why draft another Tight End?

Posted by: clark202 | September 27, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

This is all Snyder's fault. He never should have hired a too-laidback Seattle dude who'd score more points at East Washington U. or as a manager at McDonalds (which is what he looks like) then ever in the NFL (let alone the NFC East)..Skins are in deep dookie for at least a year and a half..Snyder MUST find a proper GM if he's to ever attract a decent head coach, lose the domineering Napoleanic control-over-the-team complex..Though Skins may be doomed as long as Snyder is owner, get used to it..

Posted by: frak | September 27, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

JZ & JZ = it's not if you win or lose, but how you play the game

Incompetence!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

BUT GIBBS MADE THE PLAYOFFS TWICE.

WHY DID HE RESIGN PREMATURELY?

Posted by: pjente | September 27, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I support firing Zorn too. The team is just not getting better. Had it been a loss due to a freak play I'd agree with keeping Zorn but the team just continues to get worse.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 27, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Time to stink so we can Draft Tim Tebow!

Posted by: jocool_19 |

Hell no on Tebow! Now I been a big supporter of JC but it time to blow this team up. Bye to Zorn, JC, and Blache. I say get the kid from the Sooners.

Posted by: jm220 | September 27, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

This sucks... a lot! sigh.. I guess blogging it up here is therapeutic so I'll give it a go. A few points I'ld like to make...
1. Refs had a bad game! Moss was definitely face masked and that pass interference was iffy...
2. Why didn't we take any deep shots?
3. Screen passes are solid plays, where were they at?
4. What happened to blitzing rookie QB's???
5. Our corners are average! Springs would have been clutch!
6. JC looks good in the hurry up! why the eff doesn't zorn recognize this and take advantage of it?!
7. Sadly, Zorn is in over his head... I don't see how he can lead a team when even the fans see right through him! He thinks he has all the answers but he is in WAY over his head.
8. Albert H. is probably not going to be 100% this season... he looked like he was in a lot of pain and I think he forced himself in the game bc he knew he would get criticized if he came out.
9. Uh, why does the team look flat day in and day out?! I don't know who is responsible for that? Get some friggin heart and play with more emotion and regency please!!!!
10. 3rd down defense was pathetic.
11. Portis can't do jack in when the Oline can't block for him...where to go from here is simple. Wait till next year and revamp the line... sigh...

Ok... I could go on and on... In the end we have to deal with what we got for another 17 weeks. I wouldn't suggest taking jim zorn out. That would be a waste bc we have no1 else to take his spot! Blache failed to get the D going today and I don't know what on earth he could do to improve the O when that's not even his expertise. If the skins were able to get shannanigans by the bye then hey... i guess that would be good but that ain't happening!

In the end, we are going to have to wait and accept we are gonna suck for the year.... lets revolt as fans and not go to games, not buy jerseys, and not go gaga over anything the skins do until they make changes UPSTAIRS...

Vinny goes with Zorn... Shanninigans/Cowher comes in and makes us a respectable NFC EAST BEAST...


I feel a little better...............sike

Posted by: Rashad8o4 | September 27, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Snyder,

Mike Shanahan told me he thinks you're TOOOOTALLLY cute. You want his number?

Posted by: TheSuperhoo | September 27, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

BUT GIBBS MADE THE PLAYOFFS TWICE.

WHY DID HE RESIGN PREMATURELY?

Posted by: pjente | September 27, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse
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For the same reason he did in '92, he saw this coming.

Posted by: clark202 | September 27, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Dig up Jack Kent Cooke and let his skeletel remains run the team. It's all gone south since he died.

www.digupjackkentcooke.com

Posted by: nixx46 | September 27, 2009 5:08 PM |

It started going south well before he died like when he hired Norv Turner.

Posted by: Flounder21

True, but all I know is we won 3 Lombardi trophies under Cooke and were considered a top notch organization and now we've become laughing stocks. I say do anything in his power to get Cowher for next year. At least the players would respect him. I don't think they respect Zorn's coaching ability.

Posted by: nixx46 | September 27, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs knew he had hit the wall - there was nothing more he could do. And he was too much of a Christian gentleman to criticize Snyder & Vinny the Pasta Boy in public.

Posted by: i155133 | September 27, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I've been as big a supporter of Zorn as anyone on this blog. And it's time to say "I was wrong" Mea culpa. The man doesn't get it. I was kidding myself to believe he could get men to run thru a wall for him, to execute, to actually call a competent game. He has failed brilliantly in all aforementioned regards. Should he go now? I previously said firing him if we lost was "stupid" but now I think it's just me that was being stupid. Yes, he should go. Send him back to Seattle. I still think we can win with JC (I could well be wrong here, too), but I cannot cmentally, physically or emotionally onceive of a scenario whereby we can be a long - or short - term winner with JZ. I can't quit you Redskins but I can and have quit our head coach.

No longer horny - or even mildl aroused - by Zorny,

LMG

(meekly) HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 27, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, consider. The Nationals. The Wizards. Don't you have a hockey team too?

LOSERS. Period.

Posted by: DaveinNorthridge | September 27, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

My reasoning for benching JC is because I want a QB who WILL win games for the Skins. I could care less if he did not lose the game, he did nothing to win the game.

Posted by: Curzon417
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This is right on the money. It doesn't mean we don't need other things too (O-line, O-line, O-line... and competent coaching), but JC is mediocre at best, so he's not going to win games for us, which other good to very good QB's (not just elite QB's) frequently do for their struggling teams.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 27, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Why is it week after week, this defense never gets turnovers. Year after year they never score on defense or shortens the field. Lastly QB after QB stats for the opposing team get better when the play this defense.

Posted by: edavis291 | September 27, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

PSPS, you are assuming that Collins would do worse. The possibility exist that he would have had better #s than JC.

As Rachel pointed out, this game was very winnable going into the 4th qtr, yet the offense did not score points. JC and Zorn had four chances on their first drive and could not get it done.

Put this on the D (or the rest of the team, minus ST) but the O did not get it done. To me that points at JZ and JC. Period.

My bigger point is that this team needs a shake up big time. I say change up who calls plays and who runs the offense.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

JC is so average it's scary.

How many times did he throw into double coverage?

On the interception, the replay showed somebody running a crossing patteren wide open. Moss drew the double coveage and sure enough, they got the pick.

JC plays good enough not to loose. How about looking for the "open" reciever?

I watch other teams play rookies and get great production out of them. they are playing for their lives - their futures. Moss, CP, ARE are fixtures. Cooly too.

Could playing the rooks be any worse? Maybe so. But i will tell you what. I'd rather watch them blow up and loose with heart than skating by and getting a sloppy win.

Posted by: dieyoudogs | September 27, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

JZ & JZ = it's not if you win or lose, but how you play the game


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That should be JZ & JC

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Fire Snyder

Fire Vinny

Fire Zorn

It doesn't matter which order

Posted by: mohammed10 | September 27, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs knew he had hit the wall - there was nothing more he could do. And he was too much of a Christian gentleman to criticize Snyder & Vinny the Pasta Boy in public.

Posted by: i155133

Cosign... Gibbs did a excellent coaching job that last season when Taylor died... Its underrated... But he knew as good as he did that season.. That was as much as he could squeeze out of that roster.. And it took too much out of him.. I dont blame him for leaving.... aint worth dying for to motivate some players that should already be motivated...

Posted by: cocodc1 | September 27, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

The real reason so many Redskins fans hate Jason Campbell is because they do not think black quarterbacks are smart enough to be successful in the NFL. Of course, the fans don't want to say this for fear of being called a RACIST. Frankly, I think Jason Campbell is a CLASS ACT. Go ahead and call for his head, call him the scapegoat - but I think he's a pretty decent quarterback.

You can fire the coach, you can fire the quarterback, but remember this: This team has one of the worst offensive lines and secondaries in the NFL.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

JC gets too much of his stats that are being used to defend him when we are behind and in the 4th QTR.

Never. Ever. EVA. Use. JC17's. Stats. AGAIN.....

THey are the most misleading stats in NFL. Watch the friggin game.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 27, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

One major difference between Campbell and Eli or Romo or McNaab is not just the throw. On paper a 50 yard slighly high pass that the receiver comes down with is still worth 50 yards. Our receivers do not make difficult plays. No one ever makes plays.

Posted by: edavis291 | September 27, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417- Yes, you are correct. The defense was pretty bad, but the bottom line is the score was 13-7 in the 4th quarter, the offense had at least 3 chances to score a touchdown, and they didn't. That is NOT on the defense. In fact, the defense was great in the 4th quarter. (Aside from the PI on Horton.)

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I had been saying Shanahan, but my wife likes Gruden.

Posted by: skinfanman | September 27, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell may be a class act, but he can't win football games.

Posted by: BT23 | September 27, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

For the same reason he did in '92, he saw this coming.

Posted by: clark202 | September 27, 2009 5:39 PM |

This is a lot of his doing, a lot of players on this current team were gotten by Gibbs. He also wasted a lot draft picks on poor trades.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

www.firejimzorn.com

Posted by: mohammed10 | September 27, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe fans are criticizing Zorn for going for it on 4th and 1. If you can't get a yard then you don't deserve to win. It's a high-percentage move. The decision to go for it was sound, but you probably want to run something like a play action pass.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

it is so hard to determine who is worse, Zorn or Campbell.

Fire Zorn now, give JC one more game, then bench him if he remains ineffective

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | September 27, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I actually enjoyed gibbs 2.0...but we have to view that as a hail mary on snyder's part as well. We need young hungry football people.

I know this won't happen but this would be my fix:

vinny: takes over snyder media empire
GM: Morrocco brown promoted
coach: russ grimm
d-cord: some lb coach from ravens/jets

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

This whole idea that the players should just "shut up and play" is insane. They are, believe it or not, human beings, not robots. Why don't we ask the fans to not talk? It makes zero sense - this idea that players are obligated to just play and not talk as if that makes them better. If you don't like how they play, fine. But expecting them not to talk is nuts.

Posted by: Urnesto | September 27, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has to be fired. The players have quit. Fire that puke Blache too. And when they leave, swing on over by JC's place and take his sorry a**. BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Posted by: tdpillo123 | September 27, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Please stop with the race crap. Let the play do the talking. JC sux and it has nothing to do w/ his skin color. Heath sucked and he was white. Jay sucked and he was white. Then there was Doug - he was black and was a great leader and QB.

Nuff with the racist sh!t.

Posted by: dieyoudogs | September 27, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

How about Shanahan to be HC, Cowher to be GM???

Posted by: mohammed10 | September 27, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

edavis291- I don't really agree with that. I think Eli, Tony and Donovan give their recievers chances to make plays. When Campbell throws deep, it isn't even close and there's nothing the reciever can do. Our recievers cannot make difficult plays when the ball is thrown 10 yards too far...

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

the pick to moss was into coverage but he didn't finish his route either. as a wr you really screw your qb when you break open on a comeback route, but sit down/fade backwards to catch the ball rather than attacking the ball to make the catch. the lb undercut tana b/c he didn't attack the ball he sat down. there probably was a better option, but tana's field awareness seemed off on that one and the 3rd down he didn't convert.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 27, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

This is what we wanted JC17 to do...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d812f33ea/WK-3-Can-t-Miss-Play-Favre-s-game-winner

Apparently, he doesn't know where the endzone is! WTF do you pass it to Rock Cartwright in the middle of the field with no TO left? And WTF is CP at?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 27, 2009 5:36 PM

It's great seeing a guy around my age throw a pass like that, but it is disappointing JC didn't throw it in the end zone on the last play. But it was a crappy trend... how many times did recievers catch the ball on 3rd down short of the 1st down marker?

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417- Yes, you are correct. The defense was pretty bad, but the bottom line is the score was 13-7 in the 4th quarter, the offense had at least 3 chances to score a touchdown, and they didn't. That is NOT on the defense. In fact, the defense was great in the 4th quarter. (Aside from the PI on Horton.)

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 5:48 PM

Yeah, I think the problem is play calling. Every time it's 4th and one they run left. You see the defenses keying on it. And when was the last time they pulled off a successful screen pass?

Posted by: skinfanman | September 27, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs was the GM when he was here, so anyone saying the roster he had while here was someone elses fault doesn't know what there talking about.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I take that back. Fire Zorn AND bench JC! what do we have to lose?

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | September 27, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

how many times did recievers catch the ball on 3rd down short of the 1st down marker?


Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Atleast 4 times!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 27, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

We had rush yards in a hlaf of football. This scheme is not working. It has not worked in over a year and will not work. Scrap it now. I know you guys love Moss and the crew, but they are not getting the job done (wins) then let your youngsters lay.

Posted by: edavis291 | September 27, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe fans are criticizing Zorn for going for it on 4th and 1. If you can't get a yard then you don't deserve to win. It's a high-percentage move. The decision to go for it was sound, but you probably want to run something like a play action pass.

Posted by: imterpsfan2

Zorn called that play because he wanted to show that his O could score in the Red Zone. That is not how you call plays. You take the three points there and go for it if you NEED to later in the game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

The worst part about it for us, as fans, is that we have NO hope for this season. Or next for that matter.

The best part about being a fan is having that hope. Hope that next week will get better. Hope that we'll improve.

We don't get to have that hope. Sucks for us....

Posted by: chris_rollins2k3 | September 27, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"My bigger point is that this team needs a shake up big time. I say change up who calls plays and who runs the offense."

I can understand the impulse to want to do this. Honestly, it makes sense from a gut feeling. But I'm not a proponent of doing things 'just because.' It's a wild prayer that really has little hope of panning out.

Right now the special teams, the spread offense, and the aerial game is successful. The running game (power running in particular), 3rd down defense, defensive concentration pre-snap, and short-yardage play design is not. Switching out the QB does little to improve the shortcomings, and can do a lot to minimize the very few positives right now.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Skins fans may get their wish, and we'll see a new HC and a new QB.

The QB will have worse stats than JC, and the results will be about the same.

Why? Because the new HC will be the 6th of this decade, and the new QB will be the 16 starter in the past 16 years.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Fire Zorn now, give JC one more game, then bench him if he remains ineffective

Posted by: Peaceful2009

That is a little backwards. If you fire Zorn and JC is the problem, well you don't have Zorn anymore (not that that is a bad thing!). Bench JC first then fire the coach.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Any body want to make a push to buy the skins? Seriously. Simply follow @letsbuytheskins on twitter

Posted by: letsbuytheskins | September 27, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I really think Zorn was thrown into an impossible situation. Can you imagine a head coach not being able to pick his own coaches or his own personnel? Unless Cerrato gets canned, which will never happen under Snyder's watch, you're never going to win.

Neither Shanahan or Cowher will take this job.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The defense is absolutely horrendous.
The 3rd and 9 play where the end-zone PI was called....we have to PUT PRESSURE. you HAVE to blitz on crucial downs, and not let a rookie QB sit back and find a way to get rid of the ball. Also, the 2rd down Play action before the 2 minute warning was totally ridiculous. You HAVE to expect a play action at that point. In the previous drive they went against the grain and threw deep on 3rd and 9 to get PI and risked stopping the clock with an incompletion....WHY WOULDNT THEY DO IT AGAIN?!?!?! it's just unbelieveable how we choke on 3rd

Posted by: kman2 | September 27, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

So all you wise pundits out there...who is going to come in here after firing Zorn and take over? That means at a minimum another offensive system has to be put in place ...mid season... new coaches, and who is going to replace Campbell? Collins is 39 years old and not a West Coast offense QB. Colt is on IR and the new QB has never played at all. Daniels has been activated to the NO roster so there's no getting him back. Zorn has no one on the staff who can take over the playcalling. Sorry we're stuck with this mess until the end of the season.

Posted by: bullwinkle1 | September 27, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

i don't hink the last play was designed to be the final play of the game. it looked like ARE was headed towards the sideline when he pitched to betts. i think there was enough time to get out but i was really hoping that the hook and lateral wasn't supposed to be the game winner. on a side note, why doesn't ladell betts ever go out. i really think he coulda got out with a sec or 2 left.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 27, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Zorn should go. Campbell should be benched and Smoot should be demoted.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 27, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Edavis,

Very true... This is the lowest of lows. The good thing is we are going to be a week to week team. We will live in the microscosm of every qtr instead of looking at the big picture. That's a huge problem with this team. There is NO BIG VISION, 10,000 foot view or anything remotely that other WINNING TEAMS have. I blame this on THE DANNY! He is a great financial owner who needs to ( i know i'm stating the obvious ) grow up and identify a player personnel VP. This is a mess and until FED EX is empty, will he change.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 27, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

About the only move left by fans is to mount a hostile bid for the team - if that can be done for a privately held enterprise - and pull a junta on Snyder and let him have a taste of the strong-arm tactics he likes to use. Force him to sign over the team to a public trust that can enforce accountability.

Posted by: i155133 | September 27, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Zorn called that play because he wanted to show that his O could score in the Red Zone. That is not how you call plays. You take the three points there and go for it if you NEED to later in the game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 5:54 PM

Zorn called that play because he trusted Portis to get a yard against the Lions D... and if not, he trusted his D to make a rookie Lions QB make mistakes.

The problem is, Portis, the offensive line, and the D were not as good as the Lions today.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder does as he has been habit since he owned this team, he will fire Jim Zorn. As I predicted would likely happen ... the Periculum prediction ... you could see it all coming a mile a way.

I'm not sure Zorn is the right guy to blame. In the end the blame sits mostly on she shoulders of Snyder and Cerrato. With a dramatic upgrade to the OL this team might be playoff bound.

Instead he behaved exactly like may of the nonsensical fans on this site and went out to get "beasts" for the pass rush. Two beasts later and a younger line up this defense actually looks worst especially against the run!!! The defense that prided itself on stopping running attacks can't even stop Detroit?

And as expected the offense, mostly because of the line continues to decline. No, you can't run the ball on 4th and goal to the highest paid running back in the NFL. He isn't what he used to be and his line definitely is not the same as the one he played behind last year, and complained about.

It looks to be a very long season with no silver lining of youth ramping up to play better next year.

Posted by: periculum | September 27, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

edavis291- I don't really agree with that. I think Eli, Tony and Donovan give their recievers chances to make plays. When Campbell throws deep, it isn't even close and there's nothing the reciever can do. Our recievers cannot make difficult plays when the ball is thrown 10 yards too far...

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 5:51 PM


Tell me what play do you remember our receivers coming up with a contested ball.

Posted by: edavis291 | September 27, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the D gave up way too many yards to the Lions, but come on, any real NFL offense should be able to score 21 points. That would have won the game for the Skins.

Offensive Incompetence!

Posted by: Curzon417
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Absolutely accurate. Despite the D's poor play, this is all on the O. And let's not forget how much the O left our D on the field to get exhausted. The O-line is simply not NFL-caliber, JC is mediocre at best, and Zorn's over his head.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 27, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The decision to go for it on Fourth and 1 was sound. If the field goal had been blocked, then people would have criticized Zorn for not having the courage to go for it.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

the problem with Zorn is he doesn't admit his bonehead mistakes. There is no way this guy is going to get better because he keeps defending his stupeed calls. time for a semi-intelligent coach. Bye bye Campbell. Nice guy but he just looks like he is about to have a heart attack on every play. the pressure is too much and the coaching has been terrible. but his psyche is shot and I am not sure he'll recover. he has Gibbs and Zorn in his head anf not much accuracy in his arm.

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | September 27, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Zorn called that play because he wanted to show that his O could score in the Red Zone. That is not how you call plays. You take the three points there and go for it if you NEED to later in the game.

Posted by: Curzon417

Agreed. I really did not like the decision to go for it. The only thing Zorn was trying to accomplish was to show the world his team could score in the red zone. He should've done the smart thing and taken the 3 points.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"And let's not forget how much the O left our D on the field to get exhausted."

Yea, that poor defense. If only Campbell had extended that 12 play, 75 yard drive to start the game, the defense would not have let up that 14 play, 99 yard drive right afterward. This is all on the offense, clearly.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"I can understand the impulse to want to do this. Honestly, it makes sense from a gut feeling. But I'm not a proponent of doing things 'just because.' It's a wild prayer that really has little hope of panning out."

Not "just because", but based on the last 11 games that JC and Zorn have been doing their "jobs".

I will go and find the passer rating/tds/yards that the other two QBs had against the Lions to see if JC was comparable to them before I change my tune.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I take that back. Fire Zorn AND bench JC! what do we have to lose?

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | September 27, 2009

Or fire the surgeon who cuts off both legs to save a hangnail,

Posted by: periculum | September 27, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

You know its a dark day when periculum makes complete sense.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Skins need to spend some time in Blacksburg. VT looked sluggish in all their games to start the season. They were challenged by their coaches to step it and up and meet VT tradition. They came out yesterday with emotion and conviction and energy and took the wood to Miami and played sound football in some adverse conditions. Nothing really complicated.

Posted by: i155133 | September 27, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"You know its a dark day when periculum makes complete sense.

Posted by: chrislarry"

I was just about to post the exact same thing.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Time to stink so we can Draft Tim Tebow!

Posted by: jocool_19 |

Hell no on Tebow! Now I been a big supporter of JC but it time to blow this team up. Bye to Zorn, JC, and Blache. I say get the kid from the Sooners.

Posted by: jm220
_________________

We absolutely do NOT want Tebow... We want McCoy or Bradford, etc... someone that top evaluators (not Vinny) feel is the best available. Let's go get em.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 27, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Anyone defending any aspect of the team is delusional. Its sick from the head to the toes. No one/nothing is beyond blame today.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,

the defense is just deteriorating to the level of the offense. too much time on the field.

Xorn doesn't have the answers period. and he cannot admit mistakes. he has a personality flaw.

And campbell is not going to win games with that kind of playcalling. this team is dysfunctional.

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | September 27, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Here is why you consider firing the Zorn staff: The offense and defense don't fit.

We have a bend don't break defense coordinator. That eats up clock. We have a West coast offense coordinator that also eats up clock. The result is that you don't get enough possessions to score. We lost the time of possession game to the Lions. Are you kidding me?

Posted by: edavis291 | September 27, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Snyder doesn't care what any of you fools are talking about. He's still making money win or loose !

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | September 27, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

"We have a bend don't break defense coordinator. That eats up clock. We have a West coast offense coordinator that also eats up clock. The result is that you don't get enough possessions to score."

Somebody is beginning to make some sense.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

periculum always makes sense!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Scott Campbell and Cerrato....fire those 2 losers first. Zorn should have never got the head job. he wasn't ready. it isn't his fault. look at the over-rated, unmotivated pigs they have drafted and signed in free agency. aweful !

Posted by: po403 | September 27, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder doesn't fire Vinny along with Xorn, he is a mo-run

Snyder, think about the team, not your buddy

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | September 27, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

You defended them last week. Are you done yet? Zorn - gone. Campbell - gone. Vinny - gone. Enough already. And I'm old enough to remember that the Redskins stunk for most of 30+ years before the 80s. What do we have to lose now? Hurry up before the push to change the Redskins name gathers steam!

Posted by: jbzar | September 27, 2009 4:26 PM
You CANNOT blame this game on Campbell. He wasn't the guy who pulled up a yard short at least twice on 3rd and long. He didn't call the Portis run right AGAIN on 3rd/4th and goal. Doesn't Zorn see how well Campbell runs? Whats wrong with a little roll out to really put the game in JC's hands? And JC didn't give Detroit a chance to keep a drive alive when they could have forced a FG. He also didn't play defense when Detroit achieved like 400% on their 3rd down conversions. Get off of JC's back.

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Sure, I'll take 100 steps back. Hell, I'll take as many back as you want. But I'll you what. From where I'm standing now, I don't think I'll see Campbell trying to block rushing defensive lineman. I don't think I'll see Campbell stopping the opposing team on third down. And I don't think I'll see Campbell calling a play at the end of the game that will result in a bunch of nonsense laterals.

The guy can only do so much. Is he the answer at QB? I don't know. But you can't blame him for today's awful loss. That's for sure.

Posted by: CDon | September 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse


Well said Ken boy CDon, but make sure you speak very very s-l-o-w-l-y because some of these bloggers will blame Jason Campbell for everything under the Sun, and just can't seem to understand he played a good game and was a bright spot today.

Posted by: gcoles32 | September 27, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely accurate. Despite the D's poor play, this is all on the O. And let's not forget how much the O left our D on the field to get exhausted. The O-line is simply not NFL-caliber, JC is mediocre at best, and Zorn's over his head.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 27, 2009 6:01 PM |


Agreed the offense should score more. But come on but allowing 75% 3rd down conversions to a rookie quarterback who has been struggling in 3rd downs is pathetic, getting no interceptions against them when he had 5 in two games, the defense offense and coaching all failed the Redskins nation today!

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't hold Zorn too responsible for this mess. Remember, he was hired to be the offensive coordinator and two weeks later he's the head coach. If he said no, he was probably out of a job altogether, 'cause they already had his replacement ready in Seattle. And he wasn't even able to pick his own coaching staff. That said, the poor guy has to go. I think Tom Cruise would do a great job for the 'Skins. Maybe he could jump off the podium during the post-game presser...

Posted by: JaySchroeder | September 27, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

C'mon BeantownGreg1,

I know you are not trying to put the concerted effort of Moss today as a rebuttal to what I am saying to you.

What Moss did today is like what Cooley did last week. Can we put them both together.

Did we throw any balls to Randel El? Can you give any logic to Zorn's offensive strategy?

You cannot tell me that if we had blocked straight ahead on the goal line and given the ball to the fullback that we would not have scored.

Oh, I forget, that comes from training. Ha! Ha!

Stop it BeantownGreg1. I know you love these Skins just as much as I do. But awls' I am saying is these guys ain't been trained propery for years and we got players penciled in that should not be and it is the fault of the coaches and the GM.

Established football players have alluded to the same, like Sonny, and, and, LaVarr, and, and, BMitch, and, and, Doc Walker, and and Huff, and, and, I'm just sayin'.

For $800 million, Danny Snyder has every right to be as hands on proactive as he wants to be and I cannot wait till he starts doing it again.

A QB he does not need, but a new coach and a GM might just be in order.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 27, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

zornskins

"JC defenders please stay away. No yards when it mattered, crap yards in garbage time, don't tell me about his QB rating."

Jason Campbell-a five year vet--lost to a team headed by a rookie, and he was the one who looked bad.

The underthrows, the overthrows, the lack of polish while executing the offense are all the hallmarks of a journeymen quarterback, not a well paid starter.

Again: put Campbell on an 8-game leash.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

And let's not forget how much the O left our D on the field to get exhausted.
Posted by: chasgiffen | September 27, 2009 6:01 PM

Please stop making that claim. Detroit scored most of its points in the first half. If you get tired on the first 3 possessions of the game, you are in trouble.

Lastly, the defense gets tired because it does not get off the field on third downs. The extra POSSESSIONS are because they don't stop anyone.

Posted by: edavis291 | September 27, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

How about Snyder raffles off chances for fans to plug in as HC, OC and DC for each game. Raise $$$ and entertain the fans.

Posted by: i155133 | September 27, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Cut Jason Campbell now. We need somebody to step up and stop teams from getting 99 yard TD drives, and it's clear Campbell isn't that guy.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHAHA, Yeah and he clearly should be blocking for him self before he steps back and passes it Himself...LoL Damn it is ALL JC...some people are simply amazing.

Posted by: gcoles32 | September 27, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN NOW!!!

Posted by: Soup17 | September 27, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

saying that Campbell is the problem here is like saying that a poor tip is the reason that you didn't hook up with the hot bartender after you previously pissed on the juke box, fought the bouncer and threw up in your pocket. Zorn is the puke, pi$$ and bad attitude. I'm sorry, I know I'm doing a 180 here but at least I can admit when I was wrong.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 27, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

WHO'S WILLING TO PROTEST AT REDSKIN PARK ?

We could march from FED EX to ASHBURN !

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | September 27, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

why are people dividing blame? plenty to spread. They ALL suck.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

605+ OF POSTERS HERE VOTED THAT THE REDSKINS WOULD WIN A MINIMUM OF 9 GAMES THIS SEASON... GOES TO SHOW YOU JUST HOW MUCH FOOTBAL PEOPLE REALLY KNOW...

UNTIL YOU FIX THE OWNER AND FO, YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO FIX WHAT HAPPENS ON THE FIELD!

STOP GOING TO GAMES!


STOP BUYING REDSKINS GEAR!!!!!


STOP GIVING MONEY TO A MAN THAT IS ONLY INTERESTED IN HIS OWN BANK ACCOUNT AND EGO!!!!!

THE TEAM WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER BE GOOD AS LONG AS YOU HAVE danny-boy AS THE OWN!!!!

WAKE THE F UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.

Posted by: oldnova | September 27, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

i keep refreshing expecting to see a new thread telling us someone has been fired.

Posted by: kman2 | September 27, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Ever since Gibbs left this team has made a steady decline. There's just no leadership here. The team is lost and there is no direction. Zorn's a good guy but a head coach he is not. Of course the real reason is Snyder getting his hands into the fray. That guy has just gotta let it go and good things will happen.

Posted by: richs91 | September 27, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

God its like Christmas, I'm so happy! Come all you deadskin fans, let your tears flow. Hide your wives and dogs as your angst rumbles through you. Your pathetic joke of a team has made my weekend.... he he he!

Posted by: YakAttack | September 27, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

WHO'S WILLING TO PROTEST AT REDSKIN PARK ?

We could march from FED EX to ASHBURN !

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | September 27, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Snyder doesn't care what any of you fools are talking about. He's still making money win or loose !

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE

Agreed. So it's time to stop giving our money to him.

Posted by: SonofNero | September 27, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

JC is not intelligent enough to call the plays. Unfortunately, neither is Zorn.

Posted by: Soup17 | September 27, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Zorn should only be fired if two conditions hold:

1. Danny and Vinny still think we're good enough to make the playoffs.

2. We've got a succession plan BEFORE we pink-slip JZ.

Succession plan a: Blache to HC, and someone is set to come in and jump-start the offense. After the season, we reassess and in all likelihood go with a big name--but if Blache hits a home run, what the heck.

Succession plan b: A big name is ready to step in right now. Great. Go for it.

All other scenarios: Don't fire Zorn.

Posted by: farstriker | September 27, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I for one am not saying that JC is the problem. What I am saying is that JC is not the answer.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Rick Maese or whoever at Redskins Insider- I think you should put another poll up. Which side is more to blame, offense or defense?

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I am going to go against the grain and say that Zorn will not be fired tonight or this week. Snyder has probably already offered the job to Shanahan and Cowher but they were both too smart not to take the job. Who's Snyder going to get to coach this team, the janitor at Redskins Park?

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

WHO'S WILLING TO PROTEST AT REDSKIN PARK ?

We could march from FED EX to ASHBURN !

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | September 27, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Insert Todd Collins. 341 yards and 2 TDs aren't enough from your QB. If Todd Collins was in, Clinton Portis scores on 4th and goal.

Posted by: gmAndAguinness. | September 27, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Yup the Campbell Haters make perfect sense, if Todd Collins was the QB, The Defense would have forced a TO and the Receivers would have run routes to the 1st down marker, instead of running them 1 yard short.

Posted by: gcoles32 | September 27, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

WHO'S WILLING TO PROTEST AT REDSKIN PARK ?

We could march from FED EX to ASHBURN !

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE


Is there a billboard near Redskins Park, that Snyder would have to drive by to get to work? I live in Canada now, but if there is one, I would absolutely send money if one of you will start a pool. We need a billboard that says this:

Dear Mr. Snyder

SELL THE REDSKINS NOW.
WE BEG YOU.

-The Fans.

I'm serious. Start a non-profit website, and solicit donations. I would totally give money for that.

Posted by: SonofNero | September 27, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

If Blache becomes head coach, this team will only get worse. His coaching has inspired me less than Zorn's.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I say don't fire anybody. If we as fans have to put up with this crap so should they. By all means don't let the coachs and players off the hook. They should be humilated every week just like we are. The only difference is they still get those large paychecks that help alleviate some of the humilation of playing rotten. By the way this was a total team loss and everybody from owner to any player that actually got on the field is partially to blame.

Posted by: lifelongfan | September 27, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Yup the Campbell Haters make perfect sense, if Todd Collins was the QB, The Defense would have forced a TO and the Receivers would have run routes to the 1st down marker, instead of running them 1 yard short.

Posted by: gcoles32 | September 27, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Because Todd, despite his 30+ yrs of being chained to the bench, is a leader of men and a motivator of the masses. He's gotten it done everywhere he's been.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 27, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

WHO'S WILLING TO PROTEST AT REDSKIN PARK ?

We could march from FED EX to ASHBURN !

Any ideas on what we should "CHANT"

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | September 27, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

farstriker,
My Grandmother who is 91 and is absolutely Fing senile asked the question today while watching the game...Why wouldn't they even throw it in the endzon?

Anyone is better than Zorn!!! Who gives a S*&T who they hire for the rest of the season!! WE CAN'T ACCEPT THIS CRAP!!

Posted by: Soup17 | September 27, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I for one am not saying that JC is the problem. What I am saying is that JC is not the answer.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Curzon, I respect your psots and enjoy your commentary, but really what's the difference? I've been drinking all day and am emotionally shell shocked at the moment, but if you don't think he's the "answer", seems like you'd tacitly saying he's a (if not "THE") problem. IMO, he doesn't need to be "the answer", he just needs to manage the game. Did he do that today? Hard to say yes, given our output. But there were such bigger issues - the defenses lack of heart, the awful play calling, the inability to understand down and distance - that, to me, go far more to strategy, i.e., coaching, than to JC's tactical performance. Not saying he was awesome, but man, seems to me like it was the coaching staff that was the biggest issue in a day of many issues

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 27, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

This is a Chernobyl.

Meltdown.

Run for the hills...

Posted by: gdennie | September 27, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

HEY ALL YOU BRAIN SURGEONS - IT STARTS AT THE TOP - STOP ARGUING ABOUT JC OR ZORN!!!!

AS LONG AS danny-boy OWNS THIS TEAM THEY WILL SUCK!!!!

BOYCOTT FED-EX!!!

STOP BUYING REDKIN GEAR!!!!!

ARGUING ABOUT JC OR ZORN IS LIKE RE-ARRANGING THE CHAIRS ON THE DECK OF THE TITANIC!!!!

.

Posted by: oldnova | September 27, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

seriously, fans, calm the f down...jim zorn's play calling is not at fault here, this game was lost in the trenches, as it always was...we couldn't go one yard to get a touchdown with the bum ass clinton portis...i am sorry but the bailey for portis trade was the worst trade ever

Posted by: BMACattack | September 27, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Any Skins fans out there that own a moving company? I say we park a moving truck outside of Zorn's home and office until he gets the point!

Posted by: Soup17 | September 27, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

fire zorn

start collins

bench portis, trade, release.. put him in a wig a and womans glasses but stop handing him the ball

no more snyder. is it possible for a group of people to steal the team.. like a Coup d'état? please. this guy is a sissly loser , John Riggans is right Snyder is the real root problem that seem to be hard to fix.. Cerato is horrible too.

this is lame

I'm attached to the uniforms and the archetype of the redskins which I grew up with and seems to care about whether I'd care to or not .. Snyder does not deserve to own this team, Zorn should not be coaching it, Campbell should have never been drafted so high and at such a cost, years wasted, Portis was always overrated and is now done, off the team, retire; done,

it is time to BLOW THIS TEAM UP start over .. it is over.. Snyder has ruined the Redskins.. time for him to move on , sell the team and maybe if he's lucky he can pay tom cruise to sleep over his house and a he and vinny cerato can continue their meth fueled irrational adventures on some other continent ... buy a french badminton team.. but leave us redskins fans alone!! this week.. for the good of all goodness in the universe!

Posted by: jrak1 | September 27, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

AFTER ALL OF THIS CONVERSATION YOU GUY'S WILL STILL BE A FED EX BUYING 12 DOLLAR BEERS AND 25 DOALLAR PIZZA.

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | September 27, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

BMACattack...YOU ARE AN IDIOT!! SHUT UP!

Posted by: Soup17 | September 27, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I've waited and waited to respond, not wanting to speak foolishly in my anger...

This is a stunning loss in some ways, but in some ways, it certainly is not. Apparently LaConfera predicted the Lions would break their string vs. the Skins.

Yes, JC is frustrating in much of his decision making, but he didn't play defense which could not get the Lions yes the putrid Lions off of the field on 3rd Downs.

An NFL team that gets absolutely no rushing yards in the first half?

OL is still a major problem.
And we have DB who just made a rookie QB look quite good.

Zorn? Let's face it, this team is not playing w/ an urgency.

Heads must roll: changes made in the lineup, and if the team does not respond, Zorn will be gone.

Sad indeed...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 27, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

i also love how people can still love jason cambpell, he is the worst..he dropped the ball twice and still is having trouble maintaining the pocket...how can people still stand up for this guy, because he threw for a lot of yards, ya that's great, you are still terrible...peace

Posted by: BMACattack | September 27, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

WHO'S WILLING TO PROTEST AT REDSKIN PARK ?

We could march from FED EX to ASHBURN !

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | September 27, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

AFTER ALL OF THIS CONVERSATION YOU GUY'S WILL STILL BE A FED EX BUYING 12 DOLLAR BEERS AND 25 DOALLAR PIZZA.

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE | September 27, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse
It's tha 5 dollar nachos that are the real bargain up there. they are f'in great

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 27, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

STOP SENDING REVENUE TO danny-boy OR LOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BIATCH!

EXCELLENCE STARTS AT THE TOP!

ARGUING ABOUT ZORN OR JC IS A WASTE OF TIME!

THIS IS ABOUT THE OWNER AND FO!

IF YOU DO NOT REALIZE THAT, YOU ARE DUMBER THAN A PIECE OF DRIED FRUIT!


.

Posted by: oldnova | September 27, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

JC called many of his own plays while in hurry-up and in the red zone. Don't blame JZ for that. He, as I've always said, (JC) plays well between the 20's, not so good everywhere else. JZ going for it against the Lions on 4th down is trying to show confidence in your men. His men let him down. Same thing backing a team up for a longer field goal. Where was Blaches" D?

Sorry team, not coaching IMO. Betts, Rock, all LB's, ARE, Cooley, one common denominator= SLOW. We need more team speed.
No coach can come in and make the catches, throws, and tackles for this team of misfits. Skins have been a laughing stock for some time and a haven for the "big payday" Many athletes simply don't care as much as we fans, especially once they get paid. Sad, but true.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Yea, so because Snyder may or may not be Satan we should turn our backs on the team? Because there will be a grassroots movement - maybe even Congressional action - to remove him?? Get real. Snyder isn't going anywhere. Our best hope is that he finally realizes he has no clue and hires a Parcells type and backs the hell off. Doubt it will happen, but you never know. MIracles do happen.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 27, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Fire Zorn now? No. Let this season play out. Last season for Zorn and, probably, Soup. This team was not prepared, mentally, to play an NFL game today. Too many issues to fix by simply firing Z today.

Posted by: rastines | September 27, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I haven't decided if I am loyal, stupid or both. Here is how my weekend went, I sat in the rain Sat to watch an embrassing effort by the Terps. Then I optimistcally sat down today to watch the Redskins play a good game and show that the Rams game was just a fluke. Instead I got to see a time that played worse then last week (and this time even lost). The sad part is next week I will be sitting at Byrd station and Sunday I will be on the couch (with my new remote). It's just tough to give up.

Posted by: lifelongfan | September 27, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

N_LMG,

I guess what I am saying is that on this team JC is not the answer. JC is a good QB that will not lose many games for you. Unfortunately, both sides of his coin is the same, he will not win many games for you.

On a team that has a great running game (no longer true for the Skins) he would work out well. On this team, JC is not the answwer because teams are stacking the lines and making the Skins beat them using JC.

What I see is a QB that runs the plays that are given to him by his HC and checks his first option, then checks down to second option. What I would like to see is a QB that reads the D before the snap and knows where the open option is going to be. I do not see JC having this skill.

Skins have no running game and a bend don't break D, so they need a QB who wins games, not manages offenses.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"Yea, so because Snyder may or may not be Satan we should turn our backs on the team?"

-Notorious_LMG

Ever heard of tough love?

In order to make the change necessary to return the team to a winner a severe message must be sent to the ultimate holder of accountability - Dan Snyder!

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Posted by: oldnova | September 27, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Fire Snyder.

Fire Cerrato.

Fire Zorn.

Redskins fans - do not give this idiotic chain of command get any more of your $$$$ until things change. Period.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | September 27, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Oldnova-
Do me a favor and go light your car on fire. I don't care when you bought it, how much you have invested in it or how much you love it. Just go torch it. Then do not go buy another one. You must wait until the arrival of the telepathic human transport portals.

Danny is going nowhere. We are stuck with him and his crappy FO decisions just like we are stuck with Oboma and his.

Your solution is stupid! The result of your rediculous behaviour is NOT going to result in a change in ownership, but is instead going to result in a departure of this Franchise from this city.

You are the blithering idiot my friend!!!

Posted by: Soup17 | September 27, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

In a way I hope one of the geniuses on this blog gets the head coaching job and another gets the starting quarterback position.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

One good thing about the loss to the luckless lions is that now we are the answer to the trivia question, who did the lions beat to end their losing streak?-the washington redskins

I'm just saying.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

It's all about the killer instinct. The sad thing is that when the team shows some flashes of having it, they can play with anyone. Without it, they can be beaten by anyone. Not sure what to do when the culture of overpaying guys makes the Redskins organization a retirement stop, rather than a place that the hungry guys come to play. Will this get them over the top, or will Snyder break the thing apart? Should be interesting...
http://wp.me/p7HjL-hP

Posted by: gatorado | September 27, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Soup17 - there is only one way to send a message to Dan Snyder - hit him in the wallet. There is nothing else a fan can do. The team is not going anywhere.

I repeat - do not give them a single dollar, nickel or penny. Stuck with Danny or not, I don't have to support it.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | September 27, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey, look on the bright side:

1. Washington will lose 12 games and have a realistic chance of landing QB Brad Samford, assuming the shoulder is healed, or some other QB who knows how to play the position.

2. The Skins will nuke their coaching staff and hire someone who knows how to win. Zorn - New Age and the NFL go together like oil and water; Blache - the dude's mind is relaxing and sipping pina coladas on some sunny beach south of here.

3. With the cap gone the team can nuke expensive over the hill types like Portis and bring in young hungry players.

Posted by: GasFace | September 27, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

hello folks...Well-it should be a seamless transition for me moving my posts from the Nots to the 4-Skins,right?
Ya know, my pal Mic, watching the game with me, said this team has no "magic". I've said for several years that when they need to come up big they come up small. I really want to like Campbell, but to my eyes,so far whatever "it" is-he ain't got it. And with a few exceptions (London,Cooley...), that could be said across the board.And hey-I even want to like SNYDER, ya know? But I look up the road to the Ravens and I keep thinking about a story I read-probably in the Post-profiling/comparing both organizations and owners. Both local boys who done good, became insanely wealthy. But apart from that, almost diametrically opposed.....the one quiet, humble(sorta-I mean he's worth at least half a billion!),avoids publicity and most importantly avoids Big-Footing with his team....etc, etc, etc. Now-guess which owner I'm referring to?And Last time I checked, the Steelers always seem to be letting another great player on the D leave due to contract demands, only to be replaced by another player of equal or greater value!It's great that our owner will spend , but...seems that all it's brought us is more fees to pay-'cause make no mistake it's the FAN'S money being spent.
And as someone else mentioned, I am getting the sense that we're finally getting to the point of being fed up to the point of losing our interest-and the team losing our revenue. maybe interest isn't the right word, but if you promise me you'll quit drinking and keep showing up drunk...well, I'll still love you-but until you prove otherwise, that love will be from a distance Does that make any sense? I'm just bewildered, befuddled...please,Mr Snyder et al,-maybe we sound harsh, shrill...idiotic even. But don't let your pride prevent you from taking a good, hard look at how yer doin' things, and come up with a new plan(just don't use the Nationals!)even if it reflects what some of us idiots are saying. Because this relationship....like I said, we'll always love our Skins, but the distance thing is creeping in and growing with each day of joyless football, inept management and increasing contempt for us fans.......
Man-my "11-5" season is receding farther into the future....
Go Skins!!!

Posted by: zendo | September 27, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins and their FO is the reason I got my screen name. Too bad I didn't have any clipboards around today.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | September 27, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

The idiots who keep saying Todd Collins being in there wouldn't have changed the defensive plays don't get it.

If Todd Collins leads an offense that puts up 21 or 24 points, what the Lions and/or the Redskins defense D did on specific plays isn't a deciding factor in the game.

Incredibly, there is still a contingent of JC-lovers who want him at the helm so the team can average 11 points per game, and then sit around after each game and point the finger at everyone BUT the QB.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

This is soooo depressing. The team I've absolutely loved for 40 years thru thick and thin has become a total mess. Unmotivated, poorly coached on O AND D, overpaid, with the wrong QB and the worst Dir. of Player Personnel and the worst Owner, the wrong priorities during the offseason and a terrible decision to hire this guy as Head Coach. What a total embarrassment today. And Zorn was so clearly lost -- he really doesn't have a clue. Nice guy but PLEASE no longer Head Coach of my Skins. And least w/ some no-name interim coach for the rest of the season we fans would know not to get our hopes up.

Final drive they never even took one shot at the end zone. And yet another stupid trick play that failed miserably. Zorn is hopelessly lost w/ his play calling.

No more excuses, and pls. Wash Post reporters quit telling us readers that Zorn should stay to give some stability to the team. He doesn't deserve it. It was a gamble to hire this inexperienced but nice guy and the experiment totally failed. Let's cut our ties with him NOW. Snyder, do something right for a change -- make a strong statement that there are consequences to what happened today, one of the lowest points in Redskins history. Let them all know that with this kind of an effort heads will roll.

Posted by: kdk2 | September 27, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Its not Zorn's fault they stink. Snyder should buy a mirror. You can't buy happiness or Super Bowls.

But, great news: Hockey season is right around the corner, and the Caps look to be the only playoff team in town.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | September 27, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Is is too soon to start talking 2010 draft? Looks like we'll have a top 5 pick so maybe we'll be the new home of Tebow nation :( We could draft O-lineman but that's crazy talk.

Posted by: az_david | September 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The dumbest thing will be to draft Tebow. He is going to be a Super Bust in the NFL. Sam Bradford is the answer. This team needs to be blown up and it needs to be built from scratch. Get used to the losing for the next 3 to 5 years.

It is going to be sad around here

Posted by: Ejayraptor | September 27, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

And you fools thought the Deadskins were going to SB before the season started or at least the playoffs.

How can you play hard when the coaches boy Portis gets cut all this slack. Why bust you ass?

You want Tebow as your quarterback. If the Redskins have a 5th round pick Tebow should be available. He is a project. He is not a NFL QB.

Your only hope is Danny Boy gets caught in the sack with Tomkat and his wifey gets the team in the divorce settlement.

Zorn and Campbell are not the problem the ownr is. You will never win with Danny as owner ladies!

Posted by: omarthetentmaker | September 27, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

BrokenClipboard-
Do you have any idea how difficult it is going to be to hit Danny in the wallet? The man is made of money. A few people staying home for a few games and not buying t-shirts is akin to wearing a black tie to work in protest. Neither one will mean anything to anyone accept you.

We are in a world of hurt and unfortunately there is very little we can do to remove the man on top!

HAIL anyway!

Posted by: Soup17 | September 27, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem going for it on 4th and goal but EVERYBODY expected you to run left.......and you did. Terrible play call.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | September 27, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The idiots who keep saying Todd Collins being in there wouldn't have changed the defensive plays don't get it.

If Todd Collins leads an offense that puts up 21 or 24 points, what the Lions and/or the Redskins defense D did on specific plays isn't a deciding factor in the game.

Incredibly, there is still a contingent of JC-lovers who want him at the helm so the team can average 11 points per game, and then sit around after each game and point the finger at everyone BUT the QB.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse
you want a unicorn too princess? keep that overactive imagination on a leash. tell me the last time you saw todd collins throw a td let alone 3.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 27, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

There was ONLY ONE REDSKIN that had that KILLER INSTICT TO WIN GAMES... And sadly he is no longer with us... Sean Taylor....... :(

Posted by: cocodc1 | September 27, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The poll should not be if Zorn should be fired or not, the poll should be:

Should DannyBoy & his butt-buddy Vinnie be lynched?

Yes
No

Posted by: james51 | September 27, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The problem with firing Zorn at this point is that the same people who hired him will promote/hire his replacement. Do you really want Vinny C. to be the guy to hire our next coach? Aside from the owner, Vinny C. is the one constant on this team through 15 years of mediocrity, save for one season when Marty Schottenheimer fired him. The best possible scenario to come out of this debacle is for the owner to realize his front office management structure doesn't work and hasn't worked since he took ownership.

The team needs a bona fide, qualified general manager to come in and clean up the act from top to bottom. The GM needs to have real, genuine autonomy and authority to make football-related decisions. For years, I never thought it would happen. The owner is rich, stubborn and thinks he's always the smartest person in the room. Things are changing, though. We've had such a long dry run that there is an entire generation of potential Skins fans that have never seen them win any games of consequence. There is an extremely disgruntled fan base. Finally, there is a bad economy that will punish any overpriced product of poor quality. If the status quo continues, the punishment of this team by its fan base will be severe.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 27, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Incredibly, there is still a contingent of JC-lovers who want him at the helm so the team can average 11 points per game, and then sit around after each game and point the finger at everyone BUT the QB.

Posted by: MrRedskin21


must be the fantasy football effect. It creates all these stat geeks that have no idea about winning but religiously quote JC's stats as if somehow they mean anything. Some of those most fervant stat writers also sided with Sonny in the spat with JZ and I'll bet they have no idea his career numbers were mediocre and he never won any superbowl either.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

A question.

In the middle of this week we signed Anthony Alridge. Now because this happened in the middle of the week, doesn't that mean that the Lions had the least amount of time to study any film they had on him? Wouldn't this have been the best week to have him with 4-5 carries to see what he can do before coaches adjust to him?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 27, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

After the season, we reassess and in all likelihood go with a big name--but if Blache hits a home run, what the heck.

Posted by: farstriker | September 27, 2009 6:21 PM |

Blache? Dude - too many chronic joints.

Posted by: GasFace | September 27, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

According to ESPN's well-placed sources, the Redskins will NOT be firing Jim Zorn.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

If I'm Snyder,I take a long look at my team and think about why I haven't won. Look at those that do...they have football minds making football decisions. Vinny may not be that guy. Personnally, I don't think Cerrato has done that poorly...it's just that his good personnel moves are outweigend by poor management.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 27, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

just re-watched all the offensive plays and two glaring thing popped out:

JC is (1) staring down receivers and (2) only looking at one-half of the field (usually to his right side) which enabled the Lions to roll the coverage to one-half of the field and shrink the field...

JC had receivers wide open with open space but either (a) does not scan the field or (b) does not know where his receivers are...this is the same tendency/habit he had with Gibbs/Saunders...not sure if the coaches are trying to simplify things with JC and cutting the field in half but it appears that defenses know...

Posted by: brian_h_kim | September 27, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

And tell me why I should listen to a guy named omarthetentmaker. hahahahaha, loser!

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

At this point, the Redskins would be a multi-year rebuilding project for a well-run front office. With the Dan and Vinny Show? I don't even want to think about that right now.

The Redskins were inferior in every single aspect of the game today. There is no point in naming any single player at fault. Ultimately, the blame will fall on Zorn, and I suspect he will be gone this week. Snyder seems impetuous enough to do just that.

Posted by: acoberst1 | September 27, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge is dum as a bagga hammers.

Posted by: james51 | September 27, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

"too many chronic joints"

i don't have enough joints of chronic to recover from this loss...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

This team is pathetic and can be described why in two words...Snyder/Cerrato.

Posted by: MikenMan | September 27, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

To whom it may concern:
Dan Synder, many here have suggested that you fire Jim Zorn not now but right now. Please do not listen to these people. We bash you for maing decisions looking for the quick fix, but we here we are asking for that very same thing. Zorn has only been here for 19 games. Not all coaches come in and light a fire right away. I say give him 3 years, but at least let him finish out the season. I also think that a new playcaller for the remainder of the season would be wise also. My biggest problem with us is the lack of idenity. Who are we? A throwing team, a power running team, a defensive team w/ 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense? Good teams have a clear identity, and make it up to their opponents to stop it. Now for you , Mr. Synder. I appreciate that you are willing to spend the money, and I do not want you to sell the team. But I do want you to hire a real GM with teeth, and I want you to go sit in the owners box and sip lemonade. No more than that. Stay out of the scouting business. Do these things, along with using the uncapped year to get rid of some dead weight, and we will be back in a few short years. My two cents, from a long time fan in Charlotte, NC

Posted by: dolemite1 | September 27, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

If I'm Snyder,I take a long look at my team and think about why I haven't won. Look at those that do...they have football minds making football decisions. Vinny may not be that guy. Personnally, I don't think Cerrato has done that poorly...it's just that his good personnel moves are outweigend by poor management.

Posted by: rickyroge

It's not even that they lost as much as how the lose. This team does not look good on O. They look completely lost and incompetent against even suspect defenses. On most Sundays, the Skins look over matched in the coaching and QB play. And this year in the secondary as well.

Losing while playing well I can take. Losing while looking completely inept I can't.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem going for it on 4th and goal but EVERYBODY expected you to run left.......and you did. Terrible play call.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan

you'd rather run behind Heyer and Rhino? U must be a O-coordinator. Don't even think about suggesting JC throw it, see brians' analysis above.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

If Jason Campbell is as incompetent and stupid as people on this site claim he is, then how come he had 340 yard passing today, how come he completed over 65% of his passes?

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

The first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem. Leadership is not there yet.

Posted by: ItsOver1 | September 27, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

How do all the other teams score so many points? Like 34, 36... it is so unbelievable to me.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

you want a unicorn too princess? keep that overactive imagination on a leash. tell me the last time you saw todd collins throw a td let alone 3.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 27, 2009 6:54 PM |
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Tell me the last time you saw Jason Campbell lead a game-winning drive.

Please, tell me the last time you saw JC do that, you burned out, man-crush-on-JC maggot.

And save your stale "princess" lines for the TMZ web site, jizz-eater.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

The owner is rich, stubborn and thinks he's always the smartest person in the room. Things are changing, though. We've had such a long dry run that there is an entire generation of potential Skins fans that have never seen them win any games of consequence. There is an extremely disgruntled fan base. Finally, there is a bad economy that will punish any overpriced product of poor quality. If the status quo continues, the punishment of this team by its fan base will be severe.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 27, 2009 6:54 PM |

Good point. 10 years and nothing to show for it. There is not much sand left in the hour glass. Snyder sees the writing on the wall. He is not that dumb. What he is doing is not sustainable, especially given the previous 10 years and the build-up that has produced. He probably figures that he has one more chance to step up to the plate and if that doesn't pan out it is adios amigos.

Posted by: GasFace | September 27, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

you and me both cL! though come harvest time...

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

2 words........Bill Parcells

wants to be on the sidelines in 2010, knows how to win, and how to get his foot in the backside of the lazy, satisfied players on this team, portis/landry/DT/MK...if anyone can come in and make something happen its him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler just brought his team back to take the lead against the Seahawks with 1 min to go... now why can't Jason Campbell do that?

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

reading these posts are boring...

too many ARM CHAIR QB's WHO THINK THEY KNOW FOOTBALL.

UM...ARE YOU A NFL EVALUATOR? DO U WATCH FILM AND ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR?

my guess is no on both points...STFU and just watch..

Otherwise...just keep your damn mouth shut...or speculate if u want to because either way...your opinions dont mean shiznit.

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

The idiots who keep saying Todd Collins being in there wouldn't have changed the defensive plays don't get it.

If Todd Collins leads an offense that puts up 21 or 24 points, what the Lions and/or the Redskins defense D did on specific plays isn't a deciding factor in the game.

Incredibly, there is still a contingent of JC-lovers who want him at the helm so the team can average 11 points per game, and then sit around after each game and point the finger at everyone BUT the QB.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 6:48 PM

I don't think it would have really mattered. It's delusional to think otherwise. The offense has not identity in the red zone, nothing it can lean on when they need to make plays. The red zone play calling has been unimaginative. Equally as important, this team really needs the defense to give them a shorter field to work with. Getting turnovers has been an issue for years as well. IMO Zorn has until the bye week to show he can the offense in gear, otherwise he's gone. In turn if Zorn is gone, so will JC and then all the haters can then rejoice.

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

The poll should not be if Zorn should be fired or not, the poll should be:

Should DannyBoy & his butt-buddy Vinnie be lynched?

Yes

Danny had no idea how to run a football team, cept to use elite marketing skillz, hence all the fans...and revenues to support WAY overpaid failed players..that only come to the skins for paychecks not wins...Honestly what does it take to say the REDSKINS will never be elite with the owner?

Posted by: rb_rivers | September 27, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

How do all the other teams score so many points? Like 34, 36... it is so unbelievable to me.

Posted by: rachel216

Rachel, I would settle for averaging 21 points. Skins do that, they win 90% of their games.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Campbell can't sense pressure, he locks on to receivers, he can't even slide properly after 5 years in the NFL.

When he has to scrabmle, he has all the grace of a blind epileptic having a heart attack.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I can and will only do my part. I'm boycotting giving the Redskins organization any money.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | September 27, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

IF ANY LIONS FANS ARE SELLING THERE BROWN PAPER BAGS... I AM WILLING TO BUY ONE...

Posted by: cocodc1 | September 27, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

imterpsfan2- tell me what he did when the score was 13-7 in the fourth quarter?

Again, JC lovers always point to his stats.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

If Jason Campbell is as incompetent and stupid as people on this site claim he is, then how come he had 340 yard passing today, how come he completed over 65% of his passes?

Posted by: imterpsfan2

seriously? really? no, really? did u watch the game? how many yards did he get during the prevent D and just before half? What was his success in the redzone where it matters? Stats are for guys that never played the game.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

greg, he also knows that Dan will by him all the groceries he wants/needs.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Carson Palmer also led his team to victory with 2 seconds to go. Bengals 23-20 after being down 20-9... all you JC lovers, tell me why he can't do that when he had at least FOUR chances to in the fourth quarter when it was 13-7.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

so will JC and then all the haters can then rejoice.

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 7:08 PM |
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Haters? LOL

He doesn't produce. Period. After 5 years, he doesn't deliver.

And in professional sports, that's what's it all about.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Tell me the last time you saw Jason Campbell lead a game-winning drive.

Please, tell me the last time you saw JC do that, you burned out, man-crush-on-JC maggot.

And save your stale "princess" lines for the TMZ web site, jizz-eater.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

JC actually led the go ahead drive in the rams game. it was only a fg but the rams were ahead and the skins "came back". as foe your language, keep it pg you're upsetting your mother.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 27, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

If Jason Campbell is as incompetent and stupid as people on this site claim he is, then how come he had 340 yard passing today, how come he completed over 65% of his passes?

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 7:03 PM |

It was against the Lions, Mr. Dumass.

Posted by: GasFace | September 27, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

.your opinions dont mean shiznit.

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan

Yet here you are reading them...

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Rachel, look at all the games today and you'll see the teams that didn't have a 50-yard rusher lost 5 of 6 games today. Those teams averaged about 10 points a game.

In the NFL, you need a good offensive line to win in this league. You need to be able to run the football.

The Redskins offensive line is awful.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Haters? LOL

He doesn't produce. Period. After 5 years, he doesn't deliver.

And in professional sports, that's what's it all about.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:10 PM

I meatn JZ haters.

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

curz, yup, bp knows how to win in the NFC East as well...first year he'd clean house, get rid of the high end guys not carrying their weight....exactly what this team needs....

sanchez is 3-0.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

You mean Bill Parcells of the 0-3 Miami Dolphins? Or is there another Bill Parcells? Why is the answer always hire some long-time coach and/or GM whose glory days may be over.

Posted by: lifelongfan | September 27, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Repeat after me:

This is not Zorn's fault
This is not Zorn's fault

The fault is all on Snyder. He sits in his plush box with his yes men while having fall guys in place to take the blame for his own blunders. He has not business in personnel matters. He has no business choosing coaches.

SNYDER is to blame
SNYDER is to blame

Vinny fails at life.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 27, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

If my memory serves me correct, the problems with the offense began last year when the Redskins started having trouble running the ball. You can switch quarterbacks all you want, but until they reestablish an effective running attack, you're not going to see many points on the board.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Since the beginning of 2008:

Rams and Lions won/loss record vs the Skins:

2-2

Rams and Lions won/loss vs the rest of the NFL:

1-33


Record of the Skins vs the teams that played in the NFC Championship game (phil/AZ):

3-0


Draw your own conclusions about players and management

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 27, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Sonny J last April when asked to comment on the Skins draft:
I'll paraphrase, but I recall vividly it was very close to this:
The teams greatest draft need was clearly OL, and I just don't understand why they did not draft an OL."

Folks 4th and 1 and we don't have an OL that can get the yard for us. And they also got us O yards for the first half.

Vinny must give an account and take responsibility.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 27, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey gang...just a quick note. Lots of for/against Cambell stuff here. In an earlier post I mentioned that while I want to "like" Jason as a QB,that so far to my eyes he doesn't seem to have whatever "It" is.
Well-did anyone catch the end of the Cincy/Steelers game?
"It' is what Carson Palmer has....(and Ben, too)
Can J.C. ever get that? Hope so, but the early returns....and they're not all that early anymore,either.
Go Skins!!!

Posted by: zendo | September 27, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem going for it on 4th and goal but EVERYBODY expected you to run left.......and you did. Terrible play call.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | September 27, 2009 6:54 PM

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True.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 27, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Whoever said stats are for people who've never played is dead-on.

Eli Manning's career QB rating isn't spectacular. All he does is WIN games.

JC? Not so much. But for the goofs on here who have a Bromance with Jason Campbell, there is always an excuse, i.e., too many systems to learn, offensive line not good enough, receivers not good enough, running game not providing enough support, yada, yada, yada.

I can only assume they're either relatives of his or they're hung up on the fact that he's black, and were hoping he'd be the next Warren Moon.

If Jeff George was playing QB for the Redskins this year and getting these same results, you can bet no one on here would be defending him.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

If my memory serves me correct, the problems with the offense began last year when the Redskins started having trouble running the ball. You can switch quarterbacks all you want, but until they reestablish an effective running attack, you're not going to see many points on the board.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 |

Not true. All teams will be stacking the box against the Skins until the Skins establish a better passing game. Using all of their offensive options - MK, DT, MM, SM, ARE, CC, FD, as well as passing to their running backs. Until then, the Skins will not be able to run the ball.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

What is it about Washington and sports? I grew up in DC and followed the woeful 50s and 60s Skins and Senators. Throw in the Bullets/Wizards and the Capitals, and I ask: has some stats wonk figured out Washington's post-1945 record in professional sports? It has to be pathetic. It would be even more pathetic without John Riggins (all bow).
Is it the water?

Posted by: mgorman1 | September 27, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem going for it on 4th and goal but EVERYBODY expected you to run left.......and you did. Terrible play call.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | September 27, 2009 6:54 PM

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2 weeks in a row.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 27, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

If Jason Campbell is as incompetent and stupid as people on this site claim he is, then how come he had 340 yard passing today, how come he completed over 65% of his passes?

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 7:03 PM |

It was against the Lions, Mr. Dumass.

Posted by: GasFace | September 27, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

MR Gas, any backup QB can throw middle range passes, JC cannot make game breaking plays because he is over-coached, with the Frankenstein coaching staff, I think he would do better with another team.

Posted by: rb_rivers | September 27, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan -> Dallas, and Cowher -> Carolina, which leaves us Billick, Gruden or Dungy. None of the three are "personnel guys" and I frankly don't think any of them would risk their reputations coming here.

Parcells is the one man who could turn this mess around, either as GM, coach or both. Whichever job he takes, he should impose a couple of conditions, (1) Parcells to recruit and hire all high level Redskins executives and coaches, (2) Cerrato is not only fired, but banished.

Posted by: jksesq1 | September 27, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

u pullin' the reverse race card in reference to black qbs in the nfl good luck with that one.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 27, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

shoulda faked the handoff left and had JC run a naked boot in the opposite direction......ah well, sun is gonna come up tomorrow.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Let me guess, JC's qb rating was good right? Idiots. Enjoyed reading/occasionally posting here, but gotta go. Just can't bear to watch this anymore.

Peace

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 27, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN NOW.....ZORN MUST GO.

Posted by: nsnwozo | September 27, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem going for it on 4th and goal but EVERYBODY expected you to run left.......and you did. Terrible play call.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan

you'd rather run behind Heyer and Rhino? U must be a O-coordinator. Don't even think about suggesting JC throw it, see brians' analysis above.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse
It's easy to criricize anothers post but only a coward does so without offering up their solution. So what would you of done Einstein. How about a boot leg and let JC run it in. He couldn't have done any worse than Sellers.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan -> Dallas, and Cowher -> Carolina, which leaves us Billick, Gruden or Dungy.
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Fine. None of those guys could do any worse than Zorn has.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge is dum as a bagga hammers.

Posted by: james51 | September 27, 2009 7:01 PM |

But he is smarter than Bagga Vance and MC Hammer.

Posted by: GasFace | September 27, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I think the reason Detroit won was because they dominated the line of scrimmage. Most games are won in the trenches by the offensive and defensive lines. The Lions has almost 100 more yards rushing...that's how you win games in this league.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

shoulda faked the handoff left and had JC run a naked boot in the opposite direction......ah well, sun is gonna come up tomorrow.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

funny, I thought the same thing in a similar spot last week .

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 27, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

If JC were a rookie QB, I could understand all the excuses. It's over OK? The experiment failed.
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MR Gas, any backup QB can throw middle range passes, JC cannot make game breaking plays because he is over-coached, with the Frankenstein coaching staff, I think he would do better with another team.


Posted by: rb_rivers
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I think some on here must be beholding to JC and collect a monthly check, otherwise how could they be so blind?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

firing zorn right now does nothing... we need to sit thur this season and loose alot of games and get new coach and gm at the end (and high draft pick)... Or they can turn it around.... But personally i DO NOT want them to turn it around and go 8-8.. Either they need to win atleast 10 games.. or just tank it.. I am tired of being MEDIUM...Please either be BAD or be GOOD!.. Cause being medium for all these years has given the team and the FANS and wrong sense of being GOOD! And we are not.. havent been in a while.. Even when Gibbs took us to the playoff (that was heck of a coaching job!).... I want the real redskins team to stand up... The BAD or the GREAT!...

Posted by: cocodc1 | September 27, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Dungy on NBC just put the onus on the "organization".

But you know, it's like the Orioles. Angelos isn't going to sell, he's just going to keep putting up lousy teams. Snyder isn't going to be pressured into selling. I mean, how could that happen? Seriously?

We're stuck with a very, very bad situation.

Posted by: fan-o-matic | September 27, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler just brought his team back to take the lead against the Seahawks with 1 min to go... now why can't Jason Campbell do that?

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse
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Jay Cutler had excellent plays called in from a real OC.

Posted by: clark202 | September 27, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Why the love for Parcells? How did he do in Dallas? Yeah, Miami had a good record last year but they lost in the first round of the Playoffs. How are they doing this year? I belive they are 0-3. If the Redskins are going to make changes I would prefer they find an up and coming GM, not someone who might retire at any time.

Posted by: lifelongfan | September 27, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

As noted before his travesty, it was suggested here that Vinny, Zorn and Campbell all should GO!!! The major reason for this being a lousy team starts with Vinny and our illustrious owner. Giving away draft picks for over the hill players and drafting a kicker and 3 wide receivers when we need a new offensive line to start with. And the selection of the Coach was a joke!! He cannot motivate this team and he sure as heck cannot call a game that will give the Redskins a chance to win.

Posted by: inteljoe | September 27, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

When a team comes back to win they place all the credit in the qb's hands, and that's wrong. If any one of the 10 other men on the field don't do their jobs, you have no comeback. Quarterbacks take too much credit, and too much blame in this league.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

It's easy to suggest the Redskins "Fire Jim Zorn"

It's easy to suggest replacements for him.

What's hard is suggesting a workable way someone other than Dan Snyder selects the replacement.

Under Dan Snyder the Redskins have been a massive collection of errors, misjudgements, and miscalculations, not the least of which is the retention of Racketball Ace Vincent Cerrato.

Posted by: TheCork | September 27, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

It's easy to criticize anothers post but only a coward does so without offering up their solution. So what would you of done Einstein. How about a boot leg and let JC run it in. He couldn't have done any worse than Sellers.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan

Not a coward, just have posted many times I thought it was self-evident.

My answer would be to have a QB that D's fear. They do not fear JC. Short of that, I'd either run left, (behind the "strength" of my line) or a naked bootleg right sound good. I like the bootleg right better though if a TE peels off right too. Gives a run or pass option.

Like my 3rd grader and 1st grader say, "If you call people names, that's what you are!" LOL!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

What is it about Washington and sports? I grew up in DC and followed the woeful 50s and 60s Skins and Senators. Throw in the Bullets/Wizards and the Capitals and I ask: have some stats wonk figured out Washington's post-1945 record in professional sports? It has to be pathetic. It would be even more pathetic without John Riggins (all bow).
Is it the water?

Posted by: mgorman1 | September 27, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse
LOL, I guess you were blind because each team won championships to date…except baseball though. Skins won before superbowl “was” and after, and so did caps, bullets did at some point win as well..Perhaps you need to utilize the information highway….Times have changed since the 40’. Don’t be scared of the interweb……

Posted by: rb_rivers | September 27, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Ah...this is just great...Rodney Harrison and Tony Dungy are now ripping us on the pre-game show...

Harrison ripped JC saying, "I don't know what they see in this guy...he's a backup QB who has been elevated to the starting job"

Dungy says, "It's an organization problem...it seems like they sign big free agents but they don't build the team concept."

We've reached an all time low!

Posted by: rickyroge | September 27, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm ready for the Collins experiment. I know there were 47 things wrong with the team that weren't his fault and that he played OK, but it's time to get the conversation away from who should start at QB. There's nothing that will convince some people besides seeing another QB have problems. What've we got to lose?

Posted by: asdf5 | September 27, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I think the telling item in all this is the problem with the front office.

It makes no sense that on the first injury to the offensive line, the replacement has zero NFL experience.

I don't think this line can block and that isn't anyone's fault but Vinny's!

Posted by: chasla | September 27, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

This is on Zorn first and foremost, then JC and Blache.

Posted by: Curzon417


WRONG!

This is first on danny, then vinny, then JZ the GB then JC...


It starts at the top boys and girls!


Keep going to games so danny can make Redskins fans look foolish to the rest of the league!

He is laughing att you all the way to the bank!!!

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Posted by: oldnova | September 27, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Rodney Harrison: "I don't know what they see in this guy. He's a backup QB who has been elevated to the starting job."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Harrison ripped JC saying, "I don't know what they see in this guy...he's a backup QB who has been elevated to the starting job"

Dungy says, "It's an organization problem...it seems like they sign big free agents but they don't build the team concept."


Need anymore evidence JC backers?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, interesting that Rodney Harrison said that. So did the radio people on ESPN 980, so why are some fans here so in love with JC? All the guys on 980 said they thought JC did not have a good game. I mean, if the Lions could catch he would've thrown 3 INTS, possibly one pick 6. Then his QB rating would be so low that you couldn't use it as an excuse.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

If we REALLY want change they should fire Cerrato AND Zorn

Posted by: cedric_lockhart | September 27, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Whoever said stats are for people who've never played is dead-on.

Eli Manning's career QB rating isn't spectacular. All he does is WIN games.

JC? Not so much. But for the goofs on here who have a Bromance with Jason Campbell, there is always an excuse, i.e., too many systems to learn, offensive line not good enough, receivers not good enough, running game not providing enough support, yada, yada, yada.

I can only assume they're either relatives of his or they're hung up on the fact that he's black, and were hoping he'd be the next Warren Moon.

If Jeff George was playing QB for the Redskins this year and getting these same results, you can bet no one on here would be defending him.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskins21 see the bigger picture, the fact remains, even if the skins had pulled this victory out, there are systemic problems on this team. Th defense get stop anyone on 3rd downs, as evidence to 75% 3rd conversion rate on the 1st half. The giving up of a 99, 76, 84 yard drives etc. No turnovers yet again against a inferior offensive team (on paper)to the skins defense. Red zone issues abound on offense as it seems the skins have only one running play down there that they have faith in. Oh, I forgot about the draw out of shotgun. Also, can we get a big play out of special teams please? This team is playing without confidence, they are talented but not playing up to potential, and they need to figure out issues on both side of the ball. They aren't a good football team at this point of the season.

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

It's easy to suggest the Redskins "Fire Jim Zorn"

It's easy to suggest replacements for him.

What's hard is suggesting a workable way someone other than Dan Snyder selects the replacement.

Under Dan Snyder the Redskins have been a massive collection of errors, misjudgements, and miscalculations, not the least of which is the retention of Racketball Ace Vincent Cerrato.

Posted by: TheCork | September 27, 2009 7:32 PM |

Cork,

None of us own the team so we can suggest that someone else pick the replacement, but it is a waste of time since it is Snyder's team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Not really Zorn's fault. Afterall, he didn't have any coaching experience. He's learning on tht fly. The guilt is found in the Danny and Vinnie show. Why on earth would they hire a quarterback's coach to run the big show? I will always be a Redskins fan, but I don't have any hope as long as this owner and his idiot gm are running the show. I hope my fellow Redskins fans realize that this isn't really rock bottom. That will come when this team is completely overhauled, and we have to start all over again. Something that should have been done a long, long time ago, but once again, there is no hope for even that as long as the things remain the same at the top.

Posted by: coastallp74 | September 27, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Here are the stats for the QBs that have played the Lions so far.

Score Comp Att Yds TD Int Sck FUM Rate

Drew Brees 45-27 26/34 358 6 1 0 0 137.0

Brett Favre 27-13 23/27 155 2 0 3 0 115.3

Jason C. 14-19 27/41 340 2 1 2 0 97.6

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the JC-lovers will say Rodney Harrison is just a JC "hater" because he hates the Redskins.

Even though he played for the Bolts and the Pats and has no connection to the NFC East.

LOL

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

You're quoting Rodney Harrison? What a joke lol

What do the "guys at 980" know about football?

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

U either bleed burg. and gold or not...Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ and don't come back knocking in the future when things turn around...BANDwagon fan!

Posted by: leevi98 | September 27, 2009 4:46 PM

Yeah. right. all us who have been around for 30+ years are just bandwagon fans...

idiot. every think that maybe the fans are the only ones who can bring needed change?

This starts and stops with that little man (in every sense of the word) that owns this team.

I stuck with them through bad times but i knew that JKC wanted the best.

danny wants a fat checkbook and his ego stroked.

IT STARTS AT THE TOP!!!!!


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Posted by: oldnova | September 27, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

If JC were a rookie QB, I could understand all the excuses. It's over OK? The experiment failed.
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MR Gas, any backup QB can throw middle range passes, JC cannot make game breaking plays because he is over-coached, with the Frankenstein coaching staff, I think he would do better with another team.


Posted by: rb_rivers
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I think some on here must be beholding to JC and collect a monthly check, otherwise how could they be so blind?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey JC sucks with this team, not in general...My new thought for the weekend

Posted by: rb_rivers | September 27, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

like any business, you gotta question the CEO and Board (coach and qb are mid-management)- this franchise is among the top 5 sporting franchises in the world i believe. building a real team will require hard work and boring acquisitions over the long term that could hurt earnings is the short term. this is a great business model as long as you have a captive customer base.

Posted by: stan4713 | September 27, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Carson Palmer also led his team to victory with 2 seconds to go. Bengals 23-20 after being down 20-9... all you JC lovers, tell me why he can't do that when he had at least FOUR chances to in the fourth quarter when it was 13-7.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Because our play caller is horrible!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Snyder and cerrato are to blame for making Zorn the head coach, offensive coordinator and QB coach--especially since he has never been head coach or coordinator before. Then Zorn surrounds himself with offensive coaches from St. Olafs and Liberty--brilliant..

Posted by: djorl | September 27, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Because our play caller is horrible!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan

agreed. JC called his plays during the hurry-up.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

The rap sheet on Jason Campbell was if he was just given a chance to play in the same offense in consecutive years, he'd shine. Well, we are waiting. And waiting. We are also told he is a deep ball thrower, but when the deep ball is needed, he's either reluctant to throw the ball deep or misses his target. We see him all too often now forcing the ball into double and triple coverage - and on several occasions today he locked onto double covered receivers when there was a receiver WIDE OPEN!

It is insulting to suggest, as one blivethead here has done, that our crticism of Jason Campbell is predicated on his skin color - I'm sorry, but the mere fact that a person of color is being criticized doesn't mean that the analysis is due to the color of the skin. I, along with many here, wouldn't be on Jason Campbell if he was lighting up the scoreboard. We can't help that the underachiever at quarterback is a person of color. Nor should that fact shield him from the criticism he DESERVES.

We can't shield the defense from criticism either - you don't allow a team of the pedigree of the Lions to go 99 and 90 plus yards on you. This defense is NOT a BEND, DON'T BREAK one. It is an undisciplined erratic defense that may well be so because of the addition of Haynesworth and the latitude he has outside the scheme. It is obvious that this defense needs specific assignments and a lack of deviation from the scheme to work. Allowing changing assignments has created a defense that can't stop anyone - that can't get pressure, and that can't get turnovers. And with the still EVERY down action by the cornerbacks laying off the receivers by five to seven yards, we see a defense that is an instant buffet for opposing offenses.

Zorn and play-calling - I don't know what motivates his choice of plays, but my issue is his lack of motivation and preparation/game-planning for different teams. I'm not convinced he ever adapts to each team he plays and is ready to make changes in what teams are throwing at him. The only changes I see him make are ones REQUIRED because of the score - more throwing and less running.

We could persist with this mess in Washington and finish 4 and 12 without a change in coaching. We likely wouldn't fare better with a new coach immediately, but the attitude of the players and their conduct must be changed. If it takes a new leader, then let's do it this year. Let the new guy find out right now who is a gamer and who is a lamer. And that way we can be ready to start 2010 with a true change instead of continued embarrassment to the fans and to the franchise.

Of course my analysis is predicated on whether management even gives a damn.

Posted by: laserwizard | September 27, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Um, at least Rodney Harrison played football... although a bit dirty.

The guys at ESPN 980 spend their life covering the Redskins. Even if they don't know anything, the fact that they said he did not have a good game says something.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

If JC were a rookie QB, I could understand all the excuses. It's over OK? The experiment failed.
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MR Gas, any backup QB can throw middle range passes, JC cannot make game breaking plays because he is over-coached, with the Frankenstein coaching staff, I think he would do better with another team.


Posted by: rb_rivers
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I think some on here must be beholding to JC and collect a monthly check, otherwise how could they be so blind?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey JC sucks with this team, not in general...My new thought for the weekend

Posted by: rb_rivers | September 27, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS NOT ABOUT JC !!! THIS IS NOT ABOUT JZ!!!!!!

STOP RE-ARRANGING DECK CHAIRS ON THE TITANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THIS IS ABOUT DANNY AND VINNY!!!!!


THIS STARTS AT THE TOP!!!!!!

LET US TALK ABOUT THE REAL ISSUE - THE FACT THAT DANNY IS A KNOW NOTHING SPOILED RICH KID WHO HAS DESTROYED A PROUD FRANCHISE!

THIS THREAD SHOULD BE ABOUT NO ONE OTHER THAN DANNY!!!!


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Posted by: oldnova | September 27, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

What really bothers me with the analysis is that people just want to focus on one player. They don't want to look at a DB that misses an assignment that results in a touchdown or a missed blocking assignment from an offensive lineman that results in getting stopped on the one yard line.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskins21 see the bigger picture

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 7:39 PM |
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Oh, I do. I know it's not just Jason Campbell.

But I singled him out because I cannot believe the posts on here from a few people letting him off the hook and saying he isn't to blame.

Of course he's to blame. He's the QB of a team that isn't scoring any points to speak of.

Before I'd fire Zorn, I'd let Campbell sit and play Collins for a few weeks and see if Zorn is the problem, or if JC is the problem.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Is Rodney Harrison moving on from Brett Favre-bashing to Jason Campbell-bashing?

It's a pretty good gig, if you can get it.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

No doubt that the owner and gm (?) have their faults. But on Sundays, it's on the coaches and players.

The Skins coaches and players are not getting it done on Sundays. This loss is not on the FO/Owner, but on those on the field/sidelines on Sundays. Period!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

We could march from FED EX to ASHBURN !

Any ideas on what we should "CHANT"

Posted by: FIREJIMZORNPLEASE

I'm guessing "Hip Hip Hooray" is out.

Then how about "Boy do my feet hurt!"

Posted by: TheCork | September 27, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

so lets say zorn stays on for TB, who gets benched for this game??

I say Landry, and Portis find the pine for the game.........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Of course he's to blame. He's the QB of a team that isn't scoring any points to speak of.

Before I'd fire Zorn, I'd let Campbell sit and play Collins for a few weeks and see if Zorn is the problem, or if JC is the problem.

Posted by: MrRedskin21


Sounds reasonable and rational to me. I hope they listen to you.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Next week everyone should go to the stadium with paper bags on their heads. It is ridiculous the money Danny spends to get this garbage on the field. We got Tom Cruise as our GM. I can't see Shanny turning down a chance to coach here. As for total control he didn't do that great towards the end in Denver

Posted by: tes20032001 | September 27, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how many other Skins fans have the stomach for it, but I would have no problem with an overall in the same vein of the Caps a few years ago.

Posted by: The_Spear | September 27, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Before I'd fire Zorn, I'd let Campbell sit and play Collins for a few weeks and see if Zorn is the problem, or if JC is the problem.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:46 PM

Ok I could buy that; who would sit on the defense?

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

It's not for nothing that this team tried to replace Campbell. Cutler, Sanchez.

They clearly saw something they didn't like.

Sure, the problems on this team clearly go further and deeper than just Campbell. But the QB is the heart of an NFL team and if you don't have a topflight one, you're just not going to be successful unless you're far superior at the other positions.

And with free agency now, the days of the Packers and Cowboys and Skins stocking a roster are gone.

Man, this team is really a mess.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 27, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

right now I have to agree with you there greg. I would say put CP on the inactive list and start Moore in LL's play.

I would also add JC to the bench and give TC a chance. This team needs to be shaken up big time.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Yo, does anyone have a paper bag you can lend me for the next game I go to?

F the Redskins of the 2000's except for Sean Taylor.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 27, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Whoever said stats are for people who've never played is dead-on.

Eli Manning's career QB rating isn't spectacular. All he does is WIN games.

JC? Not so much....

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:19 PM


Quick! Go get Sonny J's bust out of Canton! Yeah, he had great stats, but never won a playoff game. Right, Mr Redskin?

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I wish some reclusive Gazillionaire would buy the team and go back to being a hermit while a star GM runs it too.

But we're stuck with Synder. That isn't going to change unless he sells.

In the meantime, Curzon is right. As dysfunctional as the front office is, that is no excuse for the uninspired, undisciplined coaching/playing we see on Sundays.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

We can't sit anyone on D Twisi because the back-ups wouldn't make most teams practice squads. Having said that, sitting Landry maybe, love to sit Hall, but who's left?

Don't forget, this was against the miserable Lions for Christ's sake!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Cancelling DirectTv tomorrow.

Cant believe it. My whole life I've been a Skins fan. Watched every weekend with my Dad since I was a toddler. Got into arguments as an adult with my wife over how I spend a beautiful fall afternoon.

Its not the losing (I bet they win 6 games+/-). Its the how.

This is just too painful. Let me know when Snyder is gone. Cant invest any more hope in this crap.

Posted by: rsmskc | September 27, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

None of us own the team so we can suggest that someone else pick the replacement, but it is a waste of time since it is Snyder's team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

You are right Flounder but danny is a business-man.

If he believes that no decent coach will come to DC to work for him he just might think about selling all or part of the team.

It is time for a hail mary...

This starts and stops at the top. If anyone thinks we will have a different outcome with a different QB or coach - sorry, but you know jack-all about football....

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Posted by: oldnova | September 27, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I love the fighting over who is to blame: Its a team game and one built on long view management. EVERYONE is to blame. They are ALL to blame. This minutia between who is more is silly.

Let me sum it up:

snyder sucks
vinny sucks
Zorn sucks
coaches suck
JC sucks
Offense sucks
defense sucks
players suck

Its an epic fail from top to bottom with blame to spread around in spades.

The team is in freefall. Who is going to step up and attempt to be part of the solution, thats all that metters now.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

If he believes that no decent coach will come to DC to work for him he just might think about selling all or part of the team.

It is time for a hail mary...

This starts and stops at the top. If anyone thinks we will have a different outcome with a different QB or coach - sorry, but you know jack-all about football....

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Posted by: oldnova

Could you please go back to posting in caps? Makes it easier to skip over your posts. Thanks!

Posted by: Skins930 | September 27, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I have to say if this had been Jim Fassel, I think Snyder would have fired him today.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

this blog has devolved into a glorified soap opera. I guess not altogether unfitting given our play so far. But I'm over it. Good luck all, here's hoping we either turn it around with Zorn (doubt it but ya never know) or find a suitable replacement and/or Snyder gets swine flu. I'm out until we get a winning record. Might be a while.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 27, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

danny wants a fat checkbook and his ego stroked.


IT STARTS AT THE TOP!!!!!

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Posted by: oldnova | September 27, 2009 7:40 PM |

Really then why does he spend so much money on player contracts, you would think he would have the cheapest roster in the league if all he wanted to do was make money.

He spends more on his team than any other owner except for Jerry Jones.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I was trying to be part of the solution cL.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Alan,

the point is stats don't tell the whole story, especially about QB's.

Sonny J's stats are not great look them up. He was a winner though.

JC's stats look ok, but he is not as of yet, a winner. I'll take R. Harrisons' opinion of him over all y'all in a second as he actually played in the usually, "Not For Long" league. JC has had an extremely long time to prove himself and he is what we thought he is.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

The team is in freefall. Who is going to step up and attempt to be part of the solution, thats all that metters now.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 7:56 PM |
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I agree 100%.

But you know as well as I do that traditionally, the way a coach tries to create a spark on a team in freefall is by changing QBs.

I think that needs to happen so we can see if Zorn's offense is just as anemic under TC as it was under JC.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 27, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Vinny....errrr...Flounder21:

What is Danny saying? Is he saying that Zorn should go? When is your next racquetball match? Do you go to a nearby club in Potomac or does Danny have a court in his house?

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 27, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

It's not Campbell's fault that his receivers don't know where the 1st down marker is.

Posted by: js_edit | September 27, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

THE PROBLEM: Daniel Snyder plays too much Madden 10. Just like all of you guys. He is a fan, and a businessman, but nothing more.

Posted by: mardiros | September 27, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

THIS is why I gave up my season tickets this year (likely in the hands of some ticket scalper...errr, broker now). Danny Boy deserves a team that plays to a half-empty stadium. I used to think that may not happen for a few years, but now...

Posted by: brocave | September 27, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Isn't he also and Owner?

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

You are right Flounder but danny is a business-man.

If he believes that no decent coach will come to DC to work for him he just might think about selling all or part of the team.

It is time for a hail mary...

This starts and stops at the top. If anyone thinks we will have a different outcome with a different QB or coach - sorry, but you know jack-all about football....


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Posted by: oldnova | September 27, 2009 7:55 PM |

No he wont this team is the second most profitable sports Org. in the world.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Sonny J's stats are not great look them up. He was a winner though.

JC's stats look ok, but he is not as of yet, a winner. I'll take R. Harrisons' opinion of him over all y'all in a second as he actually played in the usually, "Not For Long" league. JC has had an extremely long time to prove himself and he is what we thought he is.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 27, 2009 8:00 PM

Sonny J was a winner? He participated in one postseason game, in the final game of his career. He threw 3 INTs and the team lost. No Sonny didn't win, but he was recognized for his individual talents and stats (led the league in passing 3 times).

R. Harrisons' new job is to stir up controversy. He did that with harsh criticism of Favre a few weeks ago, and he's getting attention now for harsh criticism of Campbell now. Wanna bet he'll be bashing another QB in the next week or two?

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Let me sum it up:

snyder sucks
vinny sucks
Zorn sucks
coaches suck
JC sucks
Offense sucks
defense sucks
players suck

Its an epic fail from top to bottom with blame to spread around in spades.

The team is in freefall. Who is going to step up and attempt to be part of the solution, thats all that metters now.

Posted by: chrislarry

Pretty much sums up the way I feel about it as well. So Zorn gets fired. Then who's the next head coach? Blache? The mastermind of the defense who let the Lions march up and down the field today? It'd be nice if they got one of the top coaches like Shanahan, Holmgren, etc., but guys were running away from the job last time it was open. Sheesh what a mess

Posted by: skinswest | September 27, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, actually, I think the Skins are the most profitable team, the girls are worth more thanks to their new stadium.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

How anyone can defend any aspect of this team is beyond me. Its a failure by any metric.

I don't know what the answer is, but I am willing to throw whatever against the wall and see if it means the team plays with some fire/heart/smarts/attitude/competence.

All afternoon I have been thinking about the Marty season, which started bleak. The team was honest and willing enough to just siht can G. George. Was he the entire problem, no....but enough of one and truly a bad actor on the teams woes. We then battled to 8-8 with Tony freakin' Banks.

Who is the G. George here. Zorn? JC? Portis?

But I think to shock this season back into relevency something drastic has to be done.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 27, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

curz, I was thinking bench landry, start doughty, bench portis, start betts, bench hall, figure that one out on the fly....gotta get some of these guys pissed off, and hopefully even more embarrassed then they should be right now, after losing to Det.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 27, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

The problem with firing Zorn at this point is that the same people who hired him will promote/hire his replacement. Do you really want Vinny C. to be the guy to hire our next coach? Aside from the owner, Vinny C. is the one constant on this team through 15 years of mediocrity, save for one season when Marty Schottenheimer fired him. The best possible scenario to come out of this debacle is for the owner to realize his front office management structure doesn't work and hasn't worked since he took ownership.

The team needs a bona fide, qualified general manager to come in and clean up the act from top to bottom. The GM needs to have real, genuine autonomy and authority to make football-related decisions. For years, I never thought it would happen. The owner is rich, stubborn and thinks he's always the smartest person in the room. Things are changing, though. We've had such a long dry run that there is an entire generation of potential Skins fans that have never seen them win any games of consequence. There is an extremely disgruntled fan base. Finally, there is a bad economy that will punish any overpriced product of poor quality. If the status quo continues, the punishment of this team by its fan base will be severe.
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Could not agree more. Great post.

The only hope this franchise has is for Snyder to get tired of losing and admit he is not a football man and bring in someone who is. He also need to sit down with Cerrato and tell him the partnership is over, here's your golden parachute and let's play handball sometime in the future when your replacemant cleans up our mess.

Posted by: pjente | September 27, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Vinny....errrr...Flounder21:

What is Danny saying? Is he saying that Zorn should go? When is your next racquetball match? Do you go to a nearby club in Potomac or does Danny have a court in his house?

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 27, 2009 8:01 PM |

Randy,

Does the truth hurt? show me one thing I said that wasn't true.

I would fire Vinny today but I'm not the owner, but to say Snyder just wants to get paid is stupid and wrong.

To say he is a spoiled rich kid would suggest he inherited his money, when in fact he made his money on his own.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

It does look like Zorn may have lost the team which may warrant a change. I don't have any other explanation for why they played so badly in all areas. Maybe a kick in the arse is what they need

Posted by: skinswest | September 27, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is a joke, he is even more pitiful when you hear the radio broadcast. Every pass was uncatchable, that's what the Redskins crew told me as I drove down the road. If Zorn has the power to bench Campbell and won't, he should be fired. If the decision to keep Campbell in the line-up comes from above Zorn then he should be able to stay and make his own decisions. I cannot believe that Campbell supporters will watch this rediculous QB performance week after week and still not want to admit Campbell is the weakest link of all. He is our Kyle Boller.

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 27, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

@Flounder21 - I wont argue about that, but at what point does he sit up and realize that teams like the Steelers, Giants, Pats, Colts heck even the Eagles seem to have a moderate amount of success and be in the fight every year without paying the kind of money for star talent that the Skins do. While I don't think Snyder is a cheapskate in the slightest, I do think his lack of foresight in building a successful franchise is partly due to the fact that he drops wads of cash on guys like Heynsworth when it was obvious the Oline is crumbling. Now we see Thomas get hurt in week two and we have no one to replace him with any NFL experience. Why upgrade a fairly decent defense when there are glaring holes all over the place. After ten years of winning the off-season, I'm amazed Snyder has not figured out that once professional football players get that money deal they often pack it in and count their millions and are less likely to sacrifice as they would have in earlier in their careers.

Posted by: The_Spear | September 27, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is a joke, he is even more pitiful when you hear the radio broadcast. Every pass was uncatchable, that's what the Redskins crew told me as I drove down the road. If Zorn has the power to bench Campbell and won't, he should be fired. If the decision to keep Campbell in the line-up comes from above Zorn then he should be able to stay and make his own decisions. I cannot believe that Campbell supporters will watch this rediculous QB performance week after week and still not want to admit Campbell is the weakest link of all. He is our Kyle Boller.

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 27, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Watching Mark Sanchez makes me jealous. That guy looks so good. I cannot believe he's a rookie.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Portis should be the new Head Coach...

Posted by: rickyroge | September 27, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

For the "Fire Jim Zorn" crowd (yes, I'm one of you), just remember: the last time Dan Snyder had an opportunity to pick a head coach, it was during the offseason, and nearly every qualified candidate turned him down or outright declined to interview. Indeed, Snyder screwed up his last interview process by pre-selecting the coaching staff.

I adore Mike Shanahan but he'd be nuts to join this organization. Same for Cowher or Holmgren.

We're going to get Fassel or Billick. I wouldn't even be shocked if we got Fassel during the bye week if the team is at 2-6. Absolutely no one else on the coaching staff is qualified or willing to be an interim NFL head coach. In fact, that's Zorn's biggest aspect of job security.

Posted by: PDiddy | September 27, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"...this blog has devolved into a glorified soap opera."


Redskin soap opera...?

We'll call it "As the Stomach Turns".

Or "All My Children Don't Know Where the 1st Down Marker Is".

Then, there's "The Young and Reckless and Ineffective".

And for one thing, we know this year's Redskins aren't "The Bold and the Beautiful".

They need to play like they have "One Life to Live".

But lacking a "Guiding Light," that kind of play is out of the question.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"...this blog has devolved into a glorified soap opera."


Redskin soap opera...?

We'll call it "As the Stomach Turns".

Or "All My Children Don't Know Where the 1st Down Marker Is".

Then, there's "The Young and Reckless and Ineffective".

And for one thing, we know this year's Redskins aren't "The Bold and the Beautiful".

They need to play like they have "One Life to Live".

But lacking a "Guiding Light," that kind of play is out of the question.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I feel kind of sorry for Zorn. This is only his second season, but he bears the burden of us fans who are tired of so many years of mediocrity.

Zorn is being blamed for today's problems, but I think he's also being held responsible for a team that has become a model of underachievement.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Let's see...Marty was given total control, started out 0-5 and finished the year 8-8, and Danny Boy fired him. Any quality coach (Shanahan, Cowher, Holmgren, etc.) would want something approaching total control. Does anyone REALLY think Danny and his flunky Vinny would cede control??? Remember, a fish rots from the head, and right now it's pretty rotten at the top!

Posted by: brocave | September 27, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Redskins coach Jim Zorn is expected to keep his job for now, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.
Owner Daniel Snyder isn't the most patient guy in the world and he must really be stewing after Sunday's loss to the Lions. It would be pretty rash to fire Zorn just three weeks into his second season, but an ugly victory at home over the Rams in Week 2 had Zorn on the hot seat already. On paper, the Week 4 home game against the Bucs looks like a win. Zorn better hope so. Sep. 27 - 8:05 pm et
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | September 27, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Ok, with Todd Collins as quarterback, what do think? 13-3 or 12-4...I seem to remember the last time he played, and it looked worse than Campbell.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

the_spear,

I agree with you he has know idea how to build a football team, but that wasn't what I was defending nor was it the argument.

The only way Snyder will put the Skins back to where they were, is to hire a football guy and totally stay out of football related stuff.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Fire Vinney-Send a message Now !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | September 27, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

The_Spear,

I think that Snyder's early years, his first six put him way behind the eight ball in terms of contracts and money spent of FAs. With an uncapped year next season he will be able to clean house and start to use what he has learned over the last few seasons. It was just too hard to fix this with a salary cap.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 27, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

'd be nice if they got one of the top coaches like Shanahan, Holmgren, etc., but guys were running away from the job last time it was open. Sheesh what a mess

Posted by: skinswest | September 27, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

This team needs a magnetic personality that the players can gravitate around because of all the recent losing. Ideally it would be the coach, and if not the coach the QB. I'm not seeing that from either, and I'm a JC supporter. Even on defense, there isn't that person on the team that says, the effing Lions aren't going to run on us, we going to get the effing ball back. There is till time to get back on track, but notmuch more time.

Posted by: TWISI | September 27, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

This is what the ESPN blogger for the NFC East said about the game.

"The defense should bear just as much of the blame as the offense for Sunday's loss -- maybe even more. It was manhandled in the trenches by a nondescript offensive line, and Kevin Smith surpassed 100 yards on the ground. Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth was supposed to transform this defense into something special, but Sunday, Lions rookie quarterback Matthew Stafford was rarely under intense pressure. "

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

@Flounder - My bad, misread your post.

Posted by: The_Spear | September 27, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

rachel, rachel, rachel

"Watching Mark Sanchez makes me jealous."


Jay Cutler has played well, too.

Oh well,we've eaten our crow already.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 27, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

For anyone saying none of the big name coaches would come here your all crazy. Here is how easy it would be to get any of them.

You have total control:

I'll pay you 5mill a year:

Where do I sign.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Watching Mark Sanchez makes me jealous. That guy looks so good. I cannot believe he's a rookie.

Posted by: rachel216 | September 27, 2009 8:13 PM

Sanchez looks great for a rookie. He doesn't have to win games by himself. Lucky for him, his defense knows how to take the ball away from the other team (2 INTs). I still can believe our D couldn't get a single takeaway from the Lions and their rookie QB.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Right JC gave up 4 long drives...
JC isn't a bad QB, he tends to get with a WR and keep throwing to them. The coach doesn't have faith in JC. How many post/ over the middle throws do you see from the Skins?
TC GTFOH! The guy is a system QB and unfortunately/fortunately that system is somewhere else. The problem is tenative playcalling and a defense that can't get off the field.

Posted by: priceisright | September 27, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: noonefromtampa | September 27, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Really then why does he spend so much money on player contracts, you would think he would have the cheapest roster in the league if all he wanted to do was make money.

He spends more on his team than any other owner except for Jerry Jones.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Who would buy jerseys with a no name player written on the back?

How could he sell rights and licensing with no name players????

That is where the money is!!!!

Profit in the NFL is in rights and licensing... and luxury suites....


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Posted by: oldnova | September 27, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Alan,

There defense is very agressive they play to score, our defense plays to bend not break. You can't force TO unless you are agressive and go after the QB we don't do that, not even against rookies.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

This team has been an epic fail since the Owner….Maybe the redneckskins cannot understand the concept of business, which the ownership feeds on... take a couple marketing college courses, then perhaps you will see the light…GO RAVENS a team with a future…

Posted by: rb_rivers | September 27, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

"Ya I agree Zorn has to go but really, so does da Danny and da Vinny...they HAD to hire Zorn because no respectable coach wants ANYTHING to do with these two clowns...in fact, firing Zorn is problematic in so far as no one wants the job lol...A 40 year fan of the Washington Redskins, I now vote that everyone do whatever they possibly can to stop sending cash to da Danny...he is the worst thing by far that has EVER happened to the Redskins. A sad sad sad sad sad situation. It will not and cannot get any better so stop paying the lil dude.
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This is exactly right. Zorn is the symptom not the disease. Nothing changes until Snyder loses the team. You know it's true. BOYCOTT THE REDSKINS. Trust me, it's easy. Today was a beautiful day to be outside and spend time with friends who don't give a @#&$ about football.

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 27, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

every successful person will tell you to love what you do - one of the keys tyo happiness.

After looking at danny and the way he shafts his own fans it is OBVIOUS he loves money. He does not love winning nor does he love fans....

he is about the $$$ !!!!!!


Anyone who thinks that this is about the head coach or QB is an idiot!!!!!

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Posted by: oldnova | September 27, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I really think the fans next week should all stand up in unison and say "Danny and Vinny must go" with exactly 3 minutes to go in the first quarter.

Then the fans should all leave.

Then I think Mr Snyder will get the message.

Posted by: imterpsfan2 | September 27, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

For anyone saying none of the big name coaches would come here your all crazy. Here is how easy it would be to get any of them.

You have total control:

I'll pay you 5mill a year:

Where do I sign.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 27, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

you are 110% correct!

and that is why this team will never be a winner.

being associated with the Redskins is all about the $$$.

Why?

It starts at the top and danny is all about the $$$.

Over 60% of the posters on this forum picked the Redskins to go 9 wins or better this season,

When I called CP "over and done" I was ridiculed.

Time to start listening children to people who actually know the game.


IT STARTS AT THE TOP!!!!!!!


Keep giving danny money and making yourselves look like the joke of the NFL.


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Posted by: oldnova | September 27, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow--to lose to the Lions--and I thought we were a playoff team.Our corner-backs are the worst i have ever seen--especially Deangelo Hall(how far away do you have to stay away from the receiver)--these receivers are not the best--what would you do if you played an all-pro wide receiver(stay in the end-zone and wait for them to get their--You really are terrible(I see why the Falcons were happy to let you go)--You get the money then quit(your a disgrace to this team, you quitter)--Also, you had the nerve to call out other players for not putting out their best effort--you have cost us both of these games with your terrible defense.Why don't you just do us a favorite
and resign, or commit a crime so you can get suspended, but please just LEAVE !!!

Posted by: abosays | September 27, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

JC never leads the Skins to a win. Honestly, how many of you were shocked we didn't win. I don't expect him to be Montana, Favre, or Elway, but at this point in his career we should expect more. It's not the play calling folks, he simply doesn't execute.

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 27, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn = Clown Shoes

Posted by: joeboggs | September 27, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

LOL... Redskins fans are some of the most fickle fans I've ever seen. Just because the Skins lost doesn't mean it's the end of the world. There are 13 games left in the season.

Yes, it is the HC's responsibility to have his team prepared to play, but ULTIMATELY, the team has to perform. This afternoon, the Skins came out flat and got punished for it. Special teams was the only unit that showed up. We saw a glimmer of of this team's potential at the beginning of the 2nd half when they scored and it's apparent that Zorn hasn't lost this team. However, the team's play was inconsistent and they were unable to maintain their momentum from that score.

What some of you all have to understand is that in any sport, whether it's football, basketball or MMA, you can catch a "L." That's why we compete and play games. It's the unknown. You never know what will happen.

Detroit showed last week against Minnesota, that they could hang, because they were giving the Vikings the blues. I figured it would be a tough game, but by no means a gimme (there's no such thing as stated in my previous paragraph).

I know I'm in the minority, but give Zorn & Campbell the rest of the season as they may be able to pull it together. If not, and Zorn loses the team, then by all means, it's time for a change. JZ set the bar unreasonably high for himself with his 6-2 start last season, but reality set in after that. I know we're all hoping for lightning to strike again, but lightning never strikes in the same place twice. Let's be patient and let these next 13 games play out.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 27, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Even if we had a GM, most of us lack the patience for rebuilding.

Posted by: rickyroge | September 27, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

LOL... Redskins fans are some of the most fickle fans I've ever seen. Just because the Skins lost doesn't mean it's the end of the world. There are 13 games left in the season.

Yes, it is the HC's responsibility to have his team prepared to play, but ULTIMATELY, the team has to perform. This afternoon, the Skins came out flat and got punished for it. Special teams was the only unit that showed up. We saw a glimmer of of this team's potential at the beginning of the 2nd half when they scored and it's apparent that Zorn hasn't lost this team. However, the team's play was inconsistent and they were unable to maintain their momentum from that score.

What some of you all have to understand is that in any sport, whether it's football, basketball or MMA, you can catch a "L." That's why we compete and play games. It's the unknown. You never know what will happen.

Detroit showed last week against Minnesota, that they could hang, because they were giving the Vikings the blues. I figured it would be a tough game, but by no means a gimme (there's no such thing as stated in my previous paragraph).

I know I'm in the minority, but give Zorn & Campbell the rest of the season as they may be able to pull it together. If not, and Zorn loses the team, then by all means, it's time for a change. JZ set the bar unreasonably high for himself with his 6-2 start last season, but reality set in after that. I know we're all hoping for lightning to strike again, but lightning never strikes in the same place twice. Let's be patient and let these next 13 games play out.

Posted by: JinxMan | September 27, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

LOL what? Have seen the past 10 years??? Sorry but Danny has taken your soul...You keep thinking that...Players always "over-achieve" before they get the skins to sign them.....

Posted by: rb_rivers | September 27, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Here is what needs to be the plan of action going forward:

1. Dan Snyder must fire Vinny Cerrato immediately.

2. Jim Zorn and Blatche must be fired at the end of the season.

3. Dan Snyder must hire a legit GM or pluck a aspiring GM from a successful organization (BAL, PIT, SD, PHI, NYG)

4. Place Laron Landry on the trading block for draft choice(s). I like Horton, Moore and Doughty and LL brings virtually nothing to the table.

5. Don't sign Campbell.

6. Sign QB UFA Brody Croyle to compete for the starting job with whomever else we have.

7. Draft OL, OL, OL (and QB Sam Bradford if he falls in the draft)

8. Play Orakpo at DE. He is not realizing his potential at OLB in my opinion.

9. Allow the GM to hire a coaching staff.

10. Snyder stay out of the day to day operations!

Posted by: fpickering | September 27, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

This team is pathetic. From the owner to the coaches to the players they are awful. This team is an embarassment to this city. Thanks Danny for turning this once proud franchise into the laughing stock of the NFL. I'm going to the Tampa game and I'm going to boo the hell out of this team. We should start a chant for Danny SELL THE TEAM FIRE YOURSELF FIRST you idiot. Any fan that doesn't see how screwed up this organization is has to be blind. This has got to stop enough already! We are sick of the losing! Sick of paying top dollar to watch an awful pitiful team play football. Wake up Danny you suck!

Posted by: bigjofc | September 27, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

This is what the ESPN blogger for the NFC East said about the game.

"The defense should bear just as much of the blame as the offense for Sunday's loss -- maybe even more. It was manhandled in the trenches by a nondescript offensive line, and Kevin Smith surpassed 100 yards on the ground. Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth was supposed to transform this defense into something special, but Sunday, Lions rookie quarterback Matthew Stafford was rarely under intense pressure. "

Posted by: imterpsfan2

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This is not as much about execution as it is about planning. Look at Jason Taylor who was fired up with the Dolphins. Redskins are now the number one "talent killers" in the NFL. They have the most incompetent coaching staff this iside of Oakland. You could bring Payton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and the entire NY Giants offensive line, and the coaches would shift the linemen and try to change Mannings throwing motion and Peterson's running style.

Replace the ENTIRE coaching staff and Vinny Cerrato. (we cannot replace Snyder)

Defense and offense both suck, no big surprise there. Before the entire team collapses, get rid of the play callers and coaches. Bring fresh blood so the very few talented players that we have are not completely turned into morons.

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | September 27, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

congrats to the lions, they wanted the game much more. the redskins quit in the first half after the 99 yd. drive. the only laugh i got was when comcast interviewed jon jansen. think the redskins could of played him at guard today ?

Posted by: miked4 | September 27, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Agree with whomever said that at least it's nice to know that we're a terrible team, early in the season. I now have my Sunday afternoons back!

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | September 27, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I have supported JC since he has been a redskin but NOW it's time to move on. He just doesnt have the tools to make it in this league. Watching him hold the ball with indecision is just painfull. Throw the damn ball already!!!!!!! Take a chance and maybe you might actually threaten the defense. I thought the skins FO was crazy for pursuing Mark Sanchez this offseason but maybe they do know something??

Posted by: jgraves75 | September 27, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I have no Argument that Zorn should not be fired, but let's not forget that he did not Trade/Draft this years group of unperforming players...or the players from previous 10 years.

Vinny Needs to GO!!!

Posted by: AB33 | September 27, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

What's so frustrating is that it is unimaginable to think that the Redskin's Management sees something other than the overpriced, aging, and uninspired talent that takes the field each week. Does anybody else think that DeAngelo Hall is a prime example? $55M for someone that constantly gets burned and can't push another player out of bounds? All these players are wealthy out of their minds..watch this team compared to any other NFL team...no passion by the players. No one screaming, blowing it up, fighting on every play (Mason seems to a good example of a fighter)...hire an offensive coordinator, bring in a big-name coach, and give them 3 or 4 years to build young, intense talent...bite the bullet and trade a few big names to build some young talent...no matter how much talent a player like Portis has, they will never work in such a low-key, unaccountable environment.

Posted by: keaton01 | September 27, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

when's the last time todd collins threw a td?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 27, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Football insiders have said that Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcels never cut anyone during a game, but everyone thought that they might.

Both Snyder and Zorn need to do something like that now. Snyder needs to fire Cerrato and Zorn needs to trade, bench or cut Campbell this week.

For dealing away draft picks on over the hill players, not drafting any linemen and for drafting 3 recievers in the 2008 2nd round that have only produced 30 catches for 248 yards in 17 games, Cerrato needs to go.

For not being a leader or a playmaker after 4+ years in the league, the Redskins need to part ways with Campbell. The NFL isn't about what you are able to do, it is about what you DO. And Campbell hasn't done anything except make excuses. Time to go.

Posted by: seltaeb | September 27, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

It's almost pointless to fire Zorn right now. No good coach is going to come into this organization as long as Vinny is responsible for acquiring talent. Danny Smith is the only coach on our sideline that could even come close to being able to turn this season around. We need a coach with a bigger name than the guys on our team or at least someone who isn't afraid of putting these guys in their place. So many of these players just think that their salary determines how good of a player they are. We need a Shannahan or a Cowher, someone who can come in here with a proven track record and a fire in him. However, Cowher or Shannahan are too smart to come anywhere near this organization if Vinny is here and if Danny Boy can't keep his hands out of it.

I think Snyder needs to fire Vinny, and fire him NOW. Hire a GM who knows what he's doing to come in and examine this team during the regular season. Then at the end of the season, the GM decides who stays and who goes. If we need a new coach at least some of the guys out there will consider it if they know Vinny isn't involved.

Until then, I'm still a Skins fan, and always will be...but I can tell you right now that I will boo whenever I feel like it and I won't hesitate to pass judgment on anyone in this organization that contributes to the losing mentality that has existed since Danny bought the team.

Posted by: umdhick | September 27, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

The good news is that we have officially hit rock bottom. There really is nowhere to go but up from here. Oh wait, the winless Bucs are coming to town. There is still a chance to sink deeper.

Another note, can the Skins at least have Betts run in the short yardage package because Portis just doesn't have it and he does not run with the conviction he once had. That goal line run was pathetic. Zorn should have pulled him from the game then.

Posted by: JWPinCHI | September 27, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

How do we fire Snyder? Zorn should never have been hired! Danny and Vinny blow it again!!!

Posted by: SnydertheBum | September 27, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Even the talking heads on NBC, FOX and ESPN know that owenerships daily meadling is the root cause of this teams disfunction.

1) Fire Vinny - he can't evaluate talent.
2) HIre a GM worth his salt.
3) Build from the draft.
4) If you want to win ... write the checks and stay out of the day to day football operations. Model yourself after Jack Kent Cook.

Posted by: jeff48 | September 27, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I would hate to lead you guys into battle! A bad start to the battle and you all drop your weapons like little babies and run home crying. "Fire the general you say - it must be his fault".

Hopefully Dan Snyder will have more composure and wisdom than most of the people on this blog.

Give Zorn and his guys a chance to right the ship. May I remind you that we have the very same record that the NY Giants had going into week 4 the season they won the super bowl.

Relax. It's still very early in the season.

Hail Redskins!

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | September 27, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Hope none of you guys who are bashing Snyder are ExtremeSkins members. You know he hires mods to ban members who talk bad about him and delete other negative posts and threads. You will be banned!! Even the message board the Skins have is pathetic!!

Posted by: MikenMan | September 27, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Zorn may be fired this week (and likely deserves to be after his poor coaching decisions the last two weeks), but the real blame starts at the top with the owner Dan Snyder and the GM Vinny Cerrato. They hired Zorn and obtained all of the players on the roster, creating a team with holes throughout the roster and an inexperienced, novice who couldn't compensate for the deficiencies. Even a strong head coach like Andy Reid or Tom Coughlin would be unlikely to get more than 8 wins out of this team in the NFC East.

Until Snyder figures out that his job is to write the checks, fires Vinny, and hires a real GM to run football operatins, the Redskins will continue to slide further into the abyss. The first 3 games this year are just a continuation of the deterioration we saw in the last 8 games of last season.

Posted by: wizfan89 | September 27, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

The biggest problem with the Skins is the owner -- Snyder followed closely by Cerrato. Zorn isn't ready for prime time and has to go. Campbell, 4 years and he's at best a backup QB. Time for him to go. The game is clearly to fast for him to keep up with -- how many games has been penalized for delay of game?

Summary for Success:

Snyder sell to a competent owner;
Cerrato GONE
Zorn GONE
Campbell GONE
Haynesworth ($100 Million) GONE.

Spend the next two to three years rebuilding the team, and then we can have a decade of dominance.

Posted by: CapitalismwithoutOversightisbad | September 27, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Who is Daniel Snyder's Damage Contol Czar? That Guy has alot work to do this week! Maybe re-distribution of wealth is'nt such a terrible idea!

Posted by: Spanglerg | September 27, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Fire Vinny and demote Zorn. Danny Boy ain't selling, so get off him.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 27, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I am so disgusted right now. I have been a diehard Redskins fan since 1977. I moved to Dallas 15 years ago.I have never been more embarrased to show my face than I am at this moment. I love the skins, but I am done until Zorn is replaced. Be it a week, 6 weeks, next year, whatever. All I can say is thank God for hockey season...
Let's Go Caps!

Posted by: Redcaps1 | September 28, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Un-Bias Commentary, It seemed to calm me down somewhat, maybe it will console some of you Die-Hard fans like myself.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/After-loss-to-the-Lions-should-the-Redskins-fir;_ylt=Ahc02A7tlq8uP1taxUBVzXZDubYF?urn=nfl,192338

Posted by: Spanglerg | September 28, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I hope no one shows up Sunday to watch the game because you know the players will not show up to play. And oh yeah, FIRE ZORN! If CP doesn't practice this week because he's hurt, put him on the bench and let someone else play who wants to produce. If he still will not practice, trade him.

Posted by: rmart2817 | September 28, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I don't think Campbell is the reason we always blow, but at this point, put Collins in.

See if it helps.

Bench Moss and El, too, what do we have to lose?

Bench Portis and put Fumble Aldridge in. What's the difference?

Hail.

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 28, 2009 3:03 AM | Report abuse

OH, Good News!!

Papa Johns is going to give everyone a FREE topping everytime Zorn goes for a 4th and 1 and the Redskins turn it over on downs!

SWEEET!!

Time to put Papa Johns on Speed Dial!
Yum Yum!

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 28, 2009 3:10 AM | Report abuse

lil'Danny Snyder must go. That malevolent little rich boy punk has mismanaged a great franchise into a long-running laughing stock.

Posted by: tkoho | September 28, 2009 5:00 AM | Report abuse

Washington Paychecks Fight Song

Hail to the Paychecks
Hail Mediocrity
Hail to the Paychecks
We'll Fight some other day.....

Posted by: atidwell | September 28, 2009 6:48 AM | Report abuse

ha ha ha, I'm sad now.

Posted by: Burrasta | September 28, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Here ia the skins biggest problems as of right now, Zorn has lost the team and when was the last time the skins has a disciplinarian coach, such as mike singletary, who is not scared to chew out his player when need be,this is what this team is lacking iam sorry to say Gibbs was not disciplinarian, and unless you put some of these players, into the doghouse in the NFL,if don't matter what kind of money they are making or if they are starters, they are not gonna get the message also this team problem is that the organization is cracked somewhat and that needs to be fixed and that is up to Snyder, responsibility and no amount of hiring or firing coaches is gonna change that or throwing money to the players simple as that.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | September 28, 2009 7:57 AM | Report abuse

-- Yep, even though there's still 13 games to play it's hard to see much hope in dem bums .. But hey, maybe a total wheels-fall-off disaster of a season could be a blessing in disguise, IF (and I admit it's probably a BIG if) it's enough of a brick up-side Snyder's head to give him no choice but to re-think the whole organization, finally admit to himself that his present methods just do not work, get rid of Vinny & hand over all football operations to a true GM that knows what he's doing (face it - just firing Zorn wont help if everything else stays the same) ,then get out the way & let him do it without fear of a meddling owner *ucking it all up ... At least then there'd be some hope for the future, 'cause as-is various degrees of stink-o-rama is about all we'll see for a long long time (better to take the pain now than for another 10 yrs of this *hit)..

Posted by: RoidRage | September 28, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

And the Redskins wonder why they get booed by their fans. Because they're overpaid, that's why. And they are a disgrace to this city. They should get paid, the way they play. You win nothing, you get nothing!!

Posted by: welcome1 | September 28, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Not saying there are not other problems, but two decisions made by Redskins coach caused the game.

On offense, instead of kicking a field goal, Zorn tried 4th down and failed (just like he did last week).

On defense, instead of decline a Lions' penalty on 3rd and let them kick a field goal, Redskins took the penalty and allowed Lions to score a touch down. Assuming Lions would have made the field goal, the difference is 4 point.

So give Skins 3 more points, and take 4 points away from Lions, Skins would have won the game even though they did play poorly.

Note to Zorn, avoid Las Vegas, you are a bad gambler.

Posted by: sagaliba | September 28, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Really? Fire Zorn? Who's the Messiah? Shanahan, Gruden? Please. Gruden won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team. We all saw what happened with "His Teams". Shanahan? Couldn't beat Baylor without Elway at QB. Trust me HOF QB's make any coach look like a genius. Holmgren? Insert Favre for Elway in the previous remark. His Seahawks were living off of the pathetic NFC West. They were handed a playoff berth by default every season. Cowher? One title in 15yrs. WOW! Let's rush out and get him. Probably if you left Zorn here for 15yrs and let him pick his coaches and players he would win a Super Bowl too.
And as far as Campbell, he is the 9th rated QB in the league. Sanchez? Cutler? 15 and 16 respectively. So let's not lay this at his feet. How about we address the elephant in the room. They can't run the football. Portis is done. Gibbs ran him into the ground. He has nothing left. The line can't run block and barely provides adequate pass protection. Last I checked that is Bugles responsibility. Remember him? A Gibbs guy. He's just collecting a paycheck at this point. Or he knows he has nothing to work with, which is probably the case.
Please do yourself a favor. Just walk away. I have been a Skins fan for 30+ years. Until Snyder takes his greedy little paws of the controls this team will NEVER WIN. I refuse to live and die with this franchise on a weekly basis anymore. There is no long-term plan from this front office. And the short-term plan is obviously to line the owners pocket with money. How else do you explain the Haynesworth signing? The Jason Taylor trade? Never drafting O-lineman with any type of pedigree? The last one was Samuels 10yrs ago. Send the message to Snyder and Vinny. Stop wasting your money and stop going to games. When it hits them in the Wallet they may finally listen. Otherwise why would they change anything?

Posted by: renhoekk2 | September 28, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and the Lions broke their 19-game losing streak, in case you haven’t seen or heard it on cable, satellite, internet, newspaper, iPhone, Times Square news crawlers, teletype, ship to ship flag relay, local school newsletter, African log drum, ….

Scheeesh

Posted by: bigbassdrum | September 28, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

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