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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 11/29/2010

Redskins hope to put together run like 2007

By Jason Reid

At one point during the 2007 season, the Washington Redskins had a 5-7 record. The franchise also was struggling to cope with the death of Pro Bowl safety Sean Taylor.
With four games remaining in the regular season, a postseason berth seemed highly improbable for the struggling team. But in his final season as coach, Joe Gibbs guided the Redskins to a season-closing, four-game winning streak, and Washington clinched a wild-card berth.
After Sunday's 17-13 loss to Minnesota, Washington's record is 5-6. The Redskins likely need to win their final five games to have a chance to qualify for postseason play, but they succeeded while traveling a similar road in 2007.
"A lot of teams in the NFC are playing great ball right now, so it's probably a little harder than" what the Redskins previously accomplished, said outside linebacker Lorenzo Alexander, who played many key roles in the 2007 playoff drive.
"There are lot of teams in the NFC that have [seven victories], you're looking at some going to 9-2 and 8-3. It's gonna be hard to catch up with those types of teams, so we're going to need somebody to help us now.
"It's kind of out of our hands right now, but we could still have a pretty good chance if we go 10-6. But to do that, we can't lose again. We've got to win out."
Down the stretch in 2007, the Redskins defeated the Chicago Bears, New York Giants, Minnesota Vikings and Dallas Cowboys. Washington lost to the Seattle Seahawks, 35-14, in the playoffs.
"We just played inspired football and we're able to come together," Alexander said. "Hopefully, we're able to do that, come together, and make something happen. But guy's have got to get a sense of urgency here."
The Redskins are a much different team than the one that surprised in the final four games in 2007, inside linebacker and defensive co-captain London Fletcher said.
"It's a different team and a different time, so you can't just hang your hat on that," he said. "It's a totally different situation."

By Jason Reid  | November 29, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
 
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Redskins hope to put together run like 2007

By Jason Reid | November 29, 2010; 6:00 AM ET

The team that lost three of their last four -- and looked terrible doing it -- is going to win five of their next five? Not this year. The last five games are about next year.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 29, 2010 6:24 AM | Report abuse

Tell you what--I'd take him off Andy's hands, along with a second rounder for McNabb and Haynesworth,

On a serious note, methinks the pressure to finally win a Super Bowl may be getting to Coach Andy,

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Eagles-coach-Reid-lets-loose-on-WR-Jackson-?urn=nfl-289844

Posted by: TheCork | November 29, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Five Thoughts: Vikings 17, Redskins 13

By: John Keim 11/28/10 9:09 PM
Examiner Staff Writer

1. Minnesota’s defensive front controlled the game. It’s not surprising that Washington couldn’t run the ball; not with Clinton Portis and Ryan Torain both out. And those of you who don’t think they miss Portis, think again. Anyway, the backs struggled to make proper cuts at times, or were off in their timing. Considering who was running the ball, that’s to be expected. The other part was the Vikings’ front. Washington’s offensive line had a difficult time getting off combination blocks as the Vikings’ linemen gained control. That left their linebackers free to sprint to the hole and prevent any runs from breaking. The result? No run longer than four yards. Four yards! If the line had come off their combination blocks earlier, it would have been worse. Basically, they have to choose between a one-yard gain or a three-yard gain. Check that; today, it was like choosing between a two-yard loss and a two-yard gain. That was the fear going into the game, that Minnesota’s line would be too strong for this front. It wasn’t just the interior as the tackles were knocked back on occasion, too. Regardless, nobody got to the linebackers.

2. Minnesota’s offensive front was effective. The Redskins say they weren’t getting pushed off the ball. Ummmm, not sure about that one. Had Adrian Peterson played all game I shudder at the numbers he might have piled up. Toby Gerhart had struggled this year, but he managed 76 yards on 22 carries. The Redskins got very little penetration and reverted to problems that plagued them earlier in the season. In the 3-4, they have guys who can perhaps not get driven back, but they weren’t getting any penetration. So the opposing back can be patient and pick a cutback lane. And when they do get moved back, it’s a big play. The linebackers weren’t getting off blocks quick enough to make stops in the backfield or at the line of scrimmage. Think about this: Gerhart’s longest run was six yards. That’s consistency; but you can’t have that unless the line is being nudged back.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 29, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

3. Perry Riley learned a couple lessons today. It’s hard to grow up when every mistake is scrutinized, or could cost you a game. Just ask Riley. First things first; the blocks. Riley definitely had two blocks in the back. Now, you can argue that not every ref makes that call. OK, gotcha. But when it happens once, you absolutely must learn and adapt to who’s calling the game. It’s like an umpire with a high strike zone; once you know it, you must swing at the high pitch. In this case, they will call anything that resembles a block in the back. Riley is an intriguing prospect, a big hitter with good speed, and he was only in his third game. If their season goes downhill because of Riley’s block, well, it wasn’t going anywhere to begin with. The second lesson came in learning how to be a pro. After the game, Riley turned and walked past the media standing at his locker and exited without saying a word. Yes, tough time to talk. But that’s what pro’s have to do when they mess up – because they’ll answer every question when things go well. Guys in the locker room pay attention to those things. However… Riley ended up speaking to us on a conference call and couldn’t have been better. He learned his lesson and fixed what was wrong. The coaches hope the same thing happens on the field.

4. Every game becomes a must win. That is, if Washington wants to make the playoffs. But, listen, the Redskins have lost three of their last four games. The last two times they went on playoff runs they appeared to be out of it as well. The difference? They had a running game each time. Even if Ryan Torain returns, can you count on him to stay healthy for five games as a featured runner? He’s never done that. Without the threat of a running game, the bootleg action doesn’t work. Without that, a staple of the offense is finished. Minnesota barely even worried about the run after a while. Other teams will do the same. So the playoffs are all but dead. Never expected it to happen anyway as this team is too flawed and there was too much to learn to expect a postseason berth. The problem is, the roster will have to turn over even more after this season.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 29, 2010 6:28 AM | Report abuse

5. The opening drive was the best one of the season. A 13-play, 83-yard drive that was a thing of beauty; great playcalling by Kyle Shanahan as the Redskins showed variety and involved numerous players. Chris Cooley and Fred Davis combined for five catches on this series. Brandon Banks played wildcat twice; he only gained six yards, but it showed a willingness to do something new. In fact, the Redskins ran for only six yards on this series and maybe that should have been the warning we needed. You can only be so creative when the run game doesn’t work. Heck, their best run came later in the half when they motioned Santana Moss to the backfield and he ran for 11 yards. (The Vikings did the same with Percy Harvin). It was a well-scripted opening series, but unless you can run, you can’t sustain much in this offense. It’s not even about running well, it’s about the commitment level and for one of the few times this season they failed to stay committed. Keiland Williams and James Davis are still learning to play in this system and just because a guy says he is a one-cut runner, it doesn’t mean he’s ready to do it in any system. They at times cut too soon; other times too late. There was no rhythm with the front. Maybe that will change when Torain comes back. It wasn’t there by any means Sunday.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 29, 2010 6:30 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are getting closer.


Yes, they are closer.

But closer to what?: 6-10, 7-9, or 8-8

Are we headed for a Top 10 draft pick again or will be drafting with the middlin' pack of picks 15-25?

We see the 2010 Washington Redskins as a team that in all but one game, has just been close.

How close, you ask?: We've got 5 wins and 5 losses all seperated by a field goal or less than 7 points.

Graham Gano is the team's offensive MVP, Chris Cooley, Santana Moss, and Donovan McNabb notwithstanding.

One thing that must happen is that the improving offense must score as the underwhelming redskin defense can't stop others from doing it.

It's the lack of getting touchdowns and settling for field goals that keeps these tight, late in the game contests going for or against us.

We've got games against the jints, jags, bucs, and hated cowboys before the season is over.

Let's hope the trends we saw with the offense yesterday--improved design, playcalling, use of personnel--continue.


Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

"Redskins hope to put together run like 2007"

As Keim said above (thanks beep), the Skins had a running game when they made Decemeber runs in '05 and '07. They don't have that luxury in '10. Let's hope to break even at 8-8 and look toward next season for a playoff run.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Anthony Armstrong is the 2nd coming of Cris Carter: Only catches TDs (that is if Bouncy McShortpass could hit him in stride for once)

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 29, 2010 5:08 AM


Huh? How does a smallish, speedy WR compare with a bigger, possession WR? Next you'll tell me Chris Johnson is the 2nd coming of John Riggins...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

He only makes big plays. He drops the short ones.

I like Armstrong but he needs to be consistant.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 29, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

One thing that must happen is that the improving offense must score as the underwhelming redskin defense can't stop others from doing it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 6:51 AM


Seriously Moe...why are so you down on the defense? They've put up a couple stinkers, but they were just about the only unit that didn't outright blow the game yesterday. The offense and special teams left 11 points on the field...while the defense held a potentially electric offense to 17 points. Not a bad day considering they still lack the personnel to run a 3-4 and were missing their best DB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

O_e, you must be talking early Cris Carter because the guy I saw in the late 90s was money in the bank. Nobody caught a sideline pass like #80 in purple and gold...NOBODY...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

Seriously...why are so you down on the defense?

Take a look at the vikes' opening scoring drives in the 1st and 3rd quarter.

They went through the redskin defense like a fart through a colon.

The vikes offense has been inept all season, but mustered two field length scoring drives where it gashed the redskin defense for chunks of yardage or pounded a kid named Gerhart at it.

And, oh yeah, there's this little statistic from NFL.com you might want to consider:

32 Washington Redskins 11 23.8 262 742 400.9

That's a dead last league defense that's giving up 400 yards per game.

Take the burgandy n' gold glasses, off and see the redskin defense for all that it is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Moe, be real...they gave up two TDs to an offense that's capable of far more. The Vikes offense struggled this year because of turnovers and the denial that they're a running team posing as a passing team, not because of a lack of talent. You make it sound like Gerhart went for 150 yards or something...dude got 76 yards on 22 carries. That's a whopping 3.5 yards per rush. Truth be told, that's one of their best efforts against the run this season.

I don't know what's gotten into you Moe, but you've been one of the more steady voices of reason up here, yet over the last week or two you've been bebopin' and scattin' all over the place with your comments. How you chose the defense to pick on with this loss when the ST and offense both left points on the field is almost batsh*t crazy. I'm fully aware of their rankings...and I'm also fully aware that the Texans and Eagles games throw that stat way outta whack. For the most part, they've kept the score down and taken the ball away...two things they sought to do going into the season.

So I don't wear burgundy and gold glasses...I view the Redskins thru a prism of reality. Which is why I'm able to keep a level head about them being a decidedly average football team while you're getting worked up over their latest reminder of that fact...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

very, very disappointing game. that opening drive got my hopes up. then the looong slow let down - interrupted for a brief moment by banks' punt return (non)touchdown...

i hear the players talking talking about "consistency" and so forth... as in "if only we could be more consistent. we show flashes, then kill ourselves w/mistakes etc..."

interesting excuse. i show flashes of being a scratch golfer, but then i hit a few bad shots... gee, if only i were more consistent...i'd be on tour...

it's being consistently good that makes you good...sheesh.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 29, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Redskins hope to put together run like 2007....

And I hope to put together a run like Derek Jeter, but like the skins it just ain't happening.

Posted by: Predator48 | November 29, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

I don't know what's gotten into you Moe, but you've been one of the more steady voices of reason up here, yet over the last week or two you've been bebopin' and scattin' all over the place with your comments.

Perhaps the cable television provider where you live is sending you some other redskins games than the one I'm watching.

I see a redskin team with an improving passing offense and a defense that gives up yards (400 per game) on the regular.

Such a team must score more to win (the Patriots feature the league's 31st defense and they score and win despite a poor defense, btw.)

When any team is 5-6, only confused slurpistic fans obscure their vision to where they don't see mediocrity for all that it is.

And I'm not confused.

Too, I'd like to suggest to you that you are more than welcome to do something other than read folks' posts to find points of criticism.

I sling blunt opinion from this street corner 'cuz that's what I do, ya' feel me, bro'?

It's fairly easy to sit back and cherry-pick someone's else's observations while not offering any original thought on your own.

Too, scattin' is a sound tatic employed by jazz singers.

Me?: I tell the truth the way I see it, even if it isn't music to a redskin fan's ears.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Playoffs were never really attainable in my opinion after a 4-12 season. Yeah I know the 1-15 Fins turned it around and finished 12-4 the next year, but that doesn't happen every day. 7-9 or 8-8 is a pretty good turn around in our tough division with a new coach, Off Cord, Offense, D Cord, Deffense, QB and a huge roster overhaul. Let hope we use our draft pick on another young O-Lineman, and that Shanahan can add some more pieces this offseason. Then we can improve on our 8-8 season.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 29, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Moe, again...if you call "truth" hanging THIS loss on the defense, then you should share some "truth" on where we can find two-for-one deals on unicorns where you live.

I saw an offense miss on about as easy a TD as you'll see this year. I saw Santana Moss bounce a wide open catch off his facemask into the waiting hands of a LB, hand delivering a FG to the opponent (this awful defense didn't give up a TD, by the way). I saw a special teams penalty wipe away a game-winning TD. And I saw a defense put up a decent effort against a team with weapons at just about every key skill position despite playing with scrub at SS. By the way, no explosive plays from the Vikes either.

It's fair to want more of the defense. And surely that unit has cost us more than a few games this year. All I'm sayin' is that THIS game ain't one of 'em.

You keep getting hung up on per game averages, and I'll keep paying attention to the team's progress on a game-by-game basis. I didn't see the epic fail you saw on Sunday...I saw an average team beat itself.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Most of us had modest expectations coming into the season. I (like many) had us going a very optimistic 8-8.

That was a tough loss yesterday but the reality is that our OL and DL aren't good enough. 23 players were replaced from last YRs 53 man roster and I'd expect another 20 this offseason.

That's all I've got, just not feeling it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 29, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

U G L Y, they ain't got no alibi...first drive of the game was genius, the rest of the game was idiocy at its highest...sorry, Shanny Sr needs to take a long hard look at what Jr has done...how many games this year has this team scored one of fewer td's??

The Vikings after the Redskins marched down the field, ADJUSTED...the Redskins have yet to make an adjustment this year...

11 friggin games before Sr realized that Galloway can't play?? Wow...just wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Dear Insider: YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING US, RIGHT? Shanahan is no Joe Gibbs (version 1.0 or version 2.0). If you want this team to rally down the stretch you've got to get them motivated and inspired to do it. DID YOU HAPPEN TO SEE SHOTS OF COACH MIKE ON THE SIDELINE WHILE THE SKINS WERE GETTING POUNDED BY THE EAGLES? DID YOU SEE COACH MIKE JR. (KYLE)? They just walked the sideline looking defeated and embarrassed.

I love the disciplinarian approach that this coach takes with his team. Lord knows they need it. But where's the reward? I think they can be very successful with coach Mike at the helm. But at some point he's got to show some leadership and charisma. Even grown men need that from time to time to figure out why they're actually on the field and in uniform.

Be satisfied with a good shot at 8 and 8 - a vast improvement over what we've see the last few years.

Posted by: BenThere | November 29, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Perry Riley = F*cking Piece of Sh*t NERD!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 29, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

my son high school can beat Washington with no promble at all, Washington defense have to many hoe in it, Mcnabb should had stay in Philadelphia because he all wash up, Mike Shanahan look like he high off of drug his son don't what he doing something need to change play-off no way in @#!*% will me make the play off we need to make some big change in the off season with the defense and offensive and get some younger play all so let all the old player go some were just not in Washington

Posted by: westcurtis1961

I didnt know that Corky from Life Goes On was a Skins fan.

Posted by: smittdiddy | November 29, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Perry Riley = F*cking Piece of Sh*t NERD!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 29, 2010 8:31 AM


Well, that's your 4th round draft pick hard at work. Folks up here wanted a younger roster and that's what you have to live with when you go young. Can't have it both ways...

Greg, I'm not judging Shanahan Sr. or Jr. until they get an offensive line in here. Galloway was bad, but if you think we had something better sitting around you're sadly mistaken...

The only thing I'd beat Shanahan up for is the AH saga, the idiocy surrounding the McNabb benching, and not using Brandon Banks earlier and more often. Otherwise, you can't blame a guy for not turning water into wine...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

The only thing I'd beat Shanahan up for is the AH saga...

Posted by: brownwood26

Just curious how you think Shanny could have handled it better... Haynesworth is a locker room cancer at times, and he shouldn't get a free pass just because he has remarkable talents that he chooses to display when he needs a new contract.

The DMac benching is the only thing that was a mistake.... Banks is quickly earning trust after his fumblitis in the preseason.

Posted by: swowra | November 29, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Otherwise, you can't blame a guy for not turning water into wine...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 8:38 AM

Good one, brownwood, but I actually had expected the Shanahans would be able to walk on wine.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 29, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

That's just not going to happen this year. I don't see it. The last two times they ran the table to get to the playoffs with 5 and 4 games remaining they relied on the run game. Clinton Portis basically took the team on his back with over a hundred yards in each of those games in 2005. In 2007, he only rushed over 100 yards in 2 out of those 4 games yet that was the year that Todd Collins had career games to finish out the season.

Gibbs believed in the running game. It just seems that for whatever reason, this coaching staff is unwilling to stick to the run.

I think we are still a year or two away from having the offensive line that Shanihan needs to be successful. I think at that point they can plug in any RB they want and have success.

Be patient Skins fans. They still need to build more young talent.

Posted by: Burg_gold_blood | November 29, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Dear Insider: YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING US, RIGHT? Shanahan is no Joe Gibbs (version 1.0 or version 2.0). If you want this team to rally down the stretch you've got to get them motivated and inspired to do it. DID YOU HAPPEN TO SEE SHOTS OF COACH MIKE ON THE SIDELINE WHILE THE SKINS WERE GETTING POUNDED BY THE EAGLES? DID YOU SEE COACH MIKE JR. (KYLE)? They just walked the sideline looking defeated and embarrassed.

Posted by: BenThere | November 29, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I agree he's no Gibbs, but who really is in this town? Bill Walsh, God bless his soul, if he were still around and came to coach here we'd all be complaining that 'he's no Gibbs'!!!

I don't think it's fair to nit-pick at the way the Shannahan's were showing their emotions on the sidelines. What do you want them to do, suit up and go play??? The players are ADULTS, and anyone will tell you that the coach does very little in the motivation department. In fact, once we got down by 21 or 28 didn't you see London Fletcher pull the defense aside and TRY to motivate them? Didn't you see Donovan McNabb pull the offense aside and TRY to motivate them? If the captains of the offense AND defense BOTH try and motivate their respective groups and NEITHER can get thru to them, then what do you expect the coach to do? That night was more about what Philly did then what we did, we ran into a buzzsaw that night, it didn't matter even if we had Gibbs 1.0, 2.0, or Infinity.0, we still would have lost!!! Remember the Patriot game a few years ago? I do!

Posted by: monk811 | November 29, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Difference between win and loss yesterday was drop passes by cooley and moss.


2007 repeat? yeah right, if we can't run and stop it consistently at this point of the year chances are slim to none.
With the temperature drop this time of year, teams that can pound the rock effectively advances.

Posted by: bhoang888 | November 29, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

brown, how do you know that Austin isn't better?? Galloway gave the team NOTHING since PRE-FRIGGIN-SEASON, absolutely NOTHING, and the last few games was openly QUITTING on routes. Sorry, but thats on Sr. Teams could just ignore JGallo because they knew he was done, they knew from the moment that New England cut him last year he was done, but for what 6-7 weeks the Redskins trotted him out as a starting WR.....pa-the-tic

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

It just seems that for whatever reason, this coaching staff is unwilling to stick to the run.

Posted by: Burg_gold_blood | November 29, 2010 8:44 AM

This isn't a mystery why they're not sticking with the run game. The offensive line sucks and their two running backs are Keiland Williams and some other guy. Between them they have had a total of 71 carries in the NFL for 235 yards.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 29, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Not gonna happen.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 29, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

brown, how do you know that Austin isn't better?? Galloway gave the team NOTHING since PRE-FRIGGIN-SEASON, absolutely NOTHING, and the last few games was openly QUITTING on routes. Sorry, but thats on Sr. Teams could just ignore JGallo because they knew he was done, they knew from the moment that New England cut him last year he was done, but for what 6-7 weeks the Redskins trotted him out as a starting WR.....pa-the-tic

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 8:50 AM

Try to keep up Greg. What did Austin give us yesterday that shows he's better than Gallowaived? And Gallowaived wasn't a starter for 6-7 weeks. Starters were Moss and Armstrong.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 29, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Reid is part of the ruse. So is Haynesworth with yet another mystery illness before the game. The Wildcat was effective. Why did'nt the Redskins use it in the Red Zone? This and many other questions abound.

Pro football is fixed. Sports entertainment. The calls went against the Redskins because the league/TV storylines are pushing for a Vikings comeback.
It was not just the block in the back call. There were facemask penalties for the Redskins that were overlooked. The Redskins get no home-field advantage
(close calls going your way) because they are always on the wrong side of the storyline or the betting line. When Dick Stockton calls the game on FOX, you know the hatchet man is in town and the Redskins will lose--look up the stats. He loves to call games that break against the Redskins.

As long as Redskins fans pack Fed-Ex, the same formula will be applied, close games, Redskins lose some, win some, stay "in the Hunt" until the cold weather comes in, then fan attendance waning can be blamed on the weather (instead of the bad record) this is the formula of the modern NFL. Tight races, keep the losing teams fan base hopes up for a long shot, mathematically still alive--so keep watching--keep consuming...FIXED>

The same teams have been winning for the past 9 or 10 years, Indy, Giants, Steelers, Patriots-why? The league supplies outstanding defenses and excellent offensive lines. The Redskins have neither and thus will languish at the bottom of the NFC East until fans stage a walk-out. The lock out may be the perfect start.

Posted by: DownTownClown | November 29, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Brown - you sorta can have it both ways. It's called coaching. After the first block in the back, the coaches should have instructed him a bit more about what constitutes an illegal block in the back so the second time around wouldn't happen. You can expect foolish mistakes by young players, but common sense says they should only make those same mistakes once, not twice within one game. It was poor coaching and stupid play both that contributed to Riley's 2 penalties.

And the defense gave up 2 TD's, and couldn't get a stop against a backup running back in a situation where running the ball was a given. The defense therefore does have some blame in this loss, just not as much as the stupid drops and penalties on offense/ST.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | November 29, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Just curious how you think Shanny could have handled it better...

Posted by: swowra | November 29, 2010 8:43 AM


I think he was right to single him out...just thought he needed to "sh*t or get off the pot" so to speak. Either play him or get him out. Keeping him around and using him sparingly is a waste. If it's true that he turned his nose up at a 4th round pick for AH, then he f*cked up.

Greg, I'm not advocating for Galloway...I never wanted that guy to begin with. All I'm sayin' is that if Galloway is bad and a practice squad guy can't crack the active roster, what makes you think there was a better option here? You play the best guys...the "let's throw p-squad guys out there and see what sticks" approach is for teams out of the playoff race. Galloway playing wasn't a nod to him...it was an indictment of our WR depth.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

"My prediction of 10-6 is looking better and better. All we have left to do is win out against the Gina's (twice), Tampa Bay, Dallas and the Jags.

Obviously, the Jags game is a trap game, but by then we'll be an unstoppable machine.

Posted by: edvar | November 28, 2010 10:42 PM"


Uhhh...

I was kidding when I posted this.

Are people seriously still talkin' playoffs?

Posted by: edvar | November 29, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

so, apparently steve johnson blames god for his game-losing drop yesterday:

"I praise you 24/7!!! And this how you do me!!!," Johnson - at least we think it was him - tweeted. "You expect me to learn from this???How??? I'll never forget this!! Ever!! Thx Tho."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2010/11/29/2010-11-29_bills_wide_receiver_steve_johnson_blames_god_in_tweet_for_awful_dropped_pass_aga.html?r=sports

hahahaha... i really don't know why this is controversial. if you're gonna "point to the sky", and "praise Him" for touchdowns, field goals and good plays in general, it makes perfect sense to blame Him for bad plays, right?

of course the humorous thing to me is that any of these players think god gives a crap about the outcome of their football games... hahaha

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 29, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"One thing that must happen is that the improving offense must score as the underwhelming redskin defense can't stop others from doing it."

Gotta gree with Moe here.

A friend and I were watching he game and he says "You know, with no Landry this defense has no speed. Beyond Fletcher and Orakpo, you could just get rid of everybody."

I'd keep Hall, but our d-line sucks. The Vikes and the Eagles just kept running off tackle both games. The Giants are going to do the same thing...twice. The d-ends here can't rush, and beyond Orakpo there are no OLB's.

This defense needs speed and it just doesn't have any.

-Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | November 29, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

It's far more likely that they lose the last 5 than that they win all 5. Even if by some small miracle they make the playoffs, so what? It's more likely that I'll win the lottery (an impossibility, since I don't buy lottery tickets) than that this team wins the Super Bowl.

Posted by: randysbailin | November 29, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

beep, yeah, give up on the run game, thats smart, and that gives you what we had yesterday, was guys PINNING their ears back, and not worrying about the run....smart...

brown, "the "let's throw p-squad guys out there and see what sticks" approach is for teams out of the playoff race"

what part of what you saw yesterday/all year long makes you think this team is making the playoffs?? Are you serious?? You think this team is going to the playoffs??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

of course the humorous thing to me is that any of these players think god gives a crap about the outcome of their football games... hahaha

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 29, 2010 9:03 AM |

You should be more careful with this stuff walter. God's such a big NFL fan that he also reads all the blogs and is forming judgments about the posts up here. I think you just took two steps back with this one.

For future reference, what you should have written is:

Steve Johnson sinned last week and deserved to drop that pass. Glory to God in the Highest.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 29, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse


Me?: I tell the truth the way I see it, even if it isn't music to a redskin fan's ears.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 8:04 AM |

tell me about it moe.

Posted by: hessone | November 29, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Pro football is fixed.

Posted by: DownTownClown


Buried by your bookie?

Yep, Refs can easily control momentum of a game with their subjective calls... holding, pass interference, illegal contact, etc.

Posted by: bhoang888 | November 29, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

A run like '07???

No way.

The '07 team was flat out better than this one - better talent and more time together to gel and get chemistry.

The '07 team was underacheiving, until Campbell got knocked out and then (surprise, surprise) started playing up to its potential.

If anything, this team might be over-acheiving so far with 5 wins.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse


brown, "the "let's throw p-squad guys out there and see what sticks" approach is for teams out of the playoff race"

what part of what you saw yesterday/all year long makes you think this team is making the playoffs?? Are you serious?? You think this team is going to the playoffs??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 9:07 AM |

let's see, the skys not falling.

folks, if you think hiring a coach because he has a SB ring is going to clean this mess up, well, have at it. doomed by snyder, consumed by optimistic fools.

Posted by: hessone | November 29, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

p1, cosign on the 5 wins...when you only score a single offensive td or less in 4 out of 11 games, you're not good....

what discernable adjustment has been made since the dallas game offensively...sure armstrong and lichenstiger are starting, but how has that worked...are they better now than they were 12 weeks ago??

I'd say no..they're about the same, when you combine that with no such thing as true stagnancy, they're regressing in reality....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep, you said,
"You should be more careful with this stuff walter. God's such a big NFL fan that he also reads all the blogs and is forming judgments about the posts up here. I think you just took two steps back with this one."

wow...god must be really busy - following blogs and so forth. does he follow all teams' blogs? how does he do it?! maybe a staff of angels do the "heavy lifting" and only report to him the important stuff. hope my faux pas doesn't cost the skins in the long run... or... maybe it already has...! maybe THAT'S why we've sucked for years now.... my bad.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 29, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

One problem the Redskins have is that the coaches do not make anyone accountable. After perry Riley committed his SECOND block in the back he goes over to the sideline and Danny Smith PATS HIM ON THE HEAD. Wayne Sevier would have kicked him in the ass. Players are not going to change the way they play if you don't make them accountable. It was digusting to watch Danny Smith and how he reacted. The Redskins dropped at least five passes and I wonder how Keenan McCardell will be at practice today, probably pat them on the head.

Posted by: rmcpks73 | November 29, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

My goals for this team is now to finish .500 at home and be above .500 in the division. That'll give them an 8-8 record. Despite it all, there are some young building blocks on this team. I hope that MS will give these young guys some game experience so that next year some of these guys can step up to bigger roles.

Posted by: TWISI | November 29, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Re: Refs Calls

Need to stop moaning. Perry Riley blocked dude in the back. It happened.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Brown - you sorta can have it both ways. It's called coaching...

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | November 29, 2010 8:58 AM


You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Unless you can provide evidence that they DIDN'T instruct PR after the first infraction, I'm going to assume they did and in the heat of battle, a rookie playing in just his 3rd game screwed up. You play well by repetition, not by getting chewed out on the sideline...

Whatever the case...this Skins are who we thought they were. Folks should settle down and be glad we've got a plan for a change...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Exactly p1funk, it was not even close

Posted by: rmcpks73 | November 29, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

As my good friend Ricky Pitino likes to say " Todd Collins isn't walking through that door"

Can't the "Insider" come up with actual news? We get crap like the the Skins ran the wildcat- ummm we know that, and now we get run the table talk?

Let me give you a story idea...How is Haslett and Coach Rats relationship. In Denver Mike fired a D-Coordinator once a week...Will Haslett be back? Go find that story....

Posted by: dpshultzfam | November 29, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

p1, cosign on the 5 wins...when you only score a single offensive td or less in 4 out of 11 games, you're not good....

what discernable adjustment has been made since the dallas game offensively...sure armstrong and lichenstiger are starting, but how has that worked...are they better now than they were 12 weeks ago??

I'd say no..they're about the same, when you combine that with no such thing as true stagnancy, they're regressing in reality....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse


Along those lines, Bean, I was asking this question yesterday:

When we hit the offseason, what do we look back on from this season and say we've learned about this team?

I really don't know.

Our QB situation is still pretty unsettled. And all the questions about McNabb's capability of picking up this new offense and running it successfully are still there.

The only WR we can count on for the future is AA, and he's a 27-year old who is a #2 WR on his best day. Tana is on the wrong side of 30, and Banks/Austin are still big "?" at WR position.

We are unsettled at 4/5 of our Oline positions.

On defense, we've still got a pantry of 4-3 players who don't really fit a 3-4 scheme. They might get you 4 turnovers a game or they might surrender 400 yards a game or do both. Who knows?

On the positive, we've unearthed a couple of gems - Banks, AA, Zo, Trent Williams is a keeper.

But essentially our needs at the start of the season still appear to be the same needs at the end of the season.

We'll see what the last few games hold...

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Will Haslett be back? Go find that story....

Posted by: dpshultzfam | November 29, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I vote NO!

Posted by: monk811 | November 29, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

they're regressing in reality....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 9:22 AM

Wow! Genius alert!

They're starting their third string running back, a rookie who wasn't even a starter in college and can't pick up the blitz. Hicks, Brown, Rabach injured. And they're not playing as well as they were on opening day? They've regressed? Get out of here, Greg.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 29, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

what part of what you saw yesterday/all year long makes you think this team is making the playoffs?? Are you serious?? You think this team is going to the playoffs??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 9:07 AM


That's not what I said...the team can't take the stance "we're done...let's just empty the p-squad on the field and play out the string". Just because you and I see them as done doesn't mean they do. Nor should they...they're pros. They should do their best to win every week and do whatever it takes to do so.

The only time it's acceptable for a pro team to go that route is if they're officially and mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Fan doubt isn't a reason to quit on the season.

As I've said a million times...if these youngins were ready to play, they'd be playing. As much as Galloway sucked, I can't fathom how you or anyone else can baselessly assume there was a better option here that Shanahan was saving for a rainy day or something. If Austin or anyone else were better, he'd be playing. They're not...so they're not. It really is that simple...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Will Haslett be back? Go find that story....

Posted by: dpshultzfam | November 29, 2010 9:31 AM

There is no story to find. He will be back. Shanahan isn't giving this up with the personnel that Haslett had to work with -- he's going to get him better players.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 29, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

p1, I saw zo get caught out of position time after time yesterday, they'd roll Brett to the right, and zo would take 2 steps towards him, then turn and chase Shianco down the field....

the only person they unearthed is Banks...I expected the #4 overall pick to be good...Armstrong is at best a #3, and he needs to learn consistency...can't catch one, then drop one, although with Moss and Cooley doing the same thing, maybe he was just trying to fit in...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

After perry Riley committed his SECOND block in the back he goes over to the sideline and Danny Smith PATS HIM ON THE HEAD. Wayne Sevier would have kicked him in the ass.

Posted by: rmcpks73 | November 29, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

If it's any consolation, while I was patting him on the head I spit in his face and called his momma a wh*re!

Signed,
Danny Smith

Posted by: monk811 | November 29, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Beeps, Not saying Haslett should go, but if you think that MS wont rhow a guy under the bus, check his history. As far as better players, thats a given....We hope..
Finally, Im tired of this Blog thats gives no actual or factual information. If you dont like the Haslett story, how about finding out about who actually calls the plays....

Posted by: dpshultzfam | November 29, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

so, apparently steve johnson blames god for his game-losing drop yesterday:

"I praise you 24/7!!! And this how you do me!!!," Johnson - at least we think it was him - tweeted. "You expect me to learn from this???How??? I'll never forget this!! Ever!! Thx Tho."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2010/11/29/2010-11-29_bills_wide_receiver_steve_johnson_blames_god_in_tweet_for_awful_dropped_pass_aga.html?r=sports

hahahaha... i really don't know why this is controversial. if you're gonna "point to the sky", and "praise Him" for touchdowns, field goals and good plays in general, it makes perfect sense to blame Him for bad plays, right?

of course the humorous thing to me is that any of these players think god gives a crap about the outcome of their football games... hahaha

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 29, 2010 9:03 AM
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ok, just one more comment on steve johnson's ego-centric god blame game, then i'll stop:

while it may appear to steve johnson that god was punishing him (or some similar craziness), maybe god was just answering the DB's prayers, or some other steeler's prayers or a steelers fan's prayers... steve johnson shouldn't be so hard on god: He's got to make a lot of snap decisions, weighing all the 1,000,000s of football-game related prayers He apparently receives every gameday (and throughout the week)...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 29, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

When we hit the offseason, what do we look back on from this season and say we've learned about this team?

I really don't know.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 9:34 AM


I believe I can help out with this Pam/Pan dilemma...

This year is what 2004 should have been under Gibbs 2.0--see what you've got on the roster and THEN get aggressive about changing your personnel. Before Gibbs ever had a chance at seeing what Ramsey and Betts (your 1st and 2nd round picks just two years prior) could do, he was burning picks and a sh*tload of money on Brunell and Portis.

This year was what it was supposed to be...bring in low cost/low risk pieces that fit the new system, get rid of the big money/low impact old guys, and hope for a few pleasant surprises to build on moving forward. The only move you could question is the McNabb trade...and to me, that's more because of the picks involved than what McNabb does/doesn't have left in the tank.

So Year 1 was getting rid of the dead weight and figuring out what you've got moving forward. Mission accomplished.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

...no such thing as true stagnancy, they're regressing in reality....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


I like that! Consider it stolen...


beep, are you f-ing joking me? You going to sit up here with a straight face and claim the team is better now than it is was at the start of the season?

Not a chance.

This team, if given a chance to play the Texans again would get SMOKED by at least 21. The offense is a load of grade-A certified crap. They can't run, they can't pass consistently. Why do you think after 12 weeks we seen our first look at the Wildcat formation? They need a spark from somewhere -- anywhere!

Whatever the case...this Skins are who we thought they were. Folks should settle down and be glad we've got a plan for a change...

Posted by: brownwood26


Agree with the first half on this statement. Looks like they're closer to that 6/7 win mark. I can easily see them going 1-4 (highly likely) or 2-3 to finish the season.

As far as "a plan", can you enlighten me on what exactly that is? Because 12 weeks into the season, I'm still not clear on what their plan is for the future. Hopefully many of the questions I have will be answered during the offseason.

Which is due to begin in about 5 weeks.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 29, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

p1, I saw zo get caught out of position time after time yesterday, they'd roll Brett to the right, and zo would take 2 steps towards him, then turn and chase Shianco down the field....

the only person they unearthed is Banks...I expected the #4 overall pick to be good...Armstrong is at best a #3, and he needs to learn consistency...can't catch one, then drop one, although with Moss and Cooley doing the same thing, maybe he was just trying to fit in...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse


Everyone on the defense seemed to get repeatedly duped by the play-action roll-out, including Zo.

But on the average of his performances, he's definitely a keeper...especially considering he's a converted d-lineman who got the starting OLB job midseason.

I also expect the #4 pick to be good, but we don't always get what we expect - e.g. the Rams are trying to start Jason Smith at RT. b/c he can't play on the left. It's nice to hit on a high pick and have him be just as good as billed.

AA is a #2 or a #3. My point is that he's the only guy on our WR corps that I can envision us counting on contributing past next season. Tana is a question mark with age/contract/HGH suspension and the rookies are unproven.

I also forgot to mention the RB situation - which is still as unsettled as ever. We have a stable of "could-be" guys, but no one who has emerged as a reliable starter and no one with speed.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

p1, I saw zo get caught out of position time after time yesterday, they'd roll Brett to the right, and zo would take 2 steps towards him, then turn and chase Shianco down the field....

the only person they unearthed is Banks...I expected the #4 overall pick to be good...Armstrong is at best a #3, and he needs to learn consistency...can't catch one, then drop one, although with Moss and Cooley doing the same thing, maybe he was just trying to fit in...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 9:42 AM

The problem is that this team is full of good 2nd and 3rd teamers. They are lacking true quality NFL starting players. That takes two to three years of signing FA and drafting players that fix the schemes employed by the team.

Posted by: TWISI | November 29, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

james davis sucks!

the O line sucks, but the RBs is the worst managed position group in the entire NFL, perhaps all of sports.

Are you trying to tell me that Larry Johnson, Willie Parker, Ladell Betts, and/or Rock Cartwright couldn't help this team?

hogwash, horse hockey, snake oil, cash cow, and various other old man exclamations

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 29, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

red, agreed, not sure what the plan is either....I mean, why is Rabach back starting when he's CLEARLY not only hurting physically, but hurting the team with his piss poor play....this team will be LUCKY to get to 8-8, so the playoffs are just not happening...why not find out what the team has, so that they can start building for the future...and I can tell you that a guy who gets run over as much as Rabach does is NOT part of the future...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

So Year 1 was getting rid of the dead weight and figuring out what you've got moving forward. Mission accomplished.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I understand the philosophy of Year 1. The question is - what pray-tell do we have moving forward?

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

This headline is so laughable....

April fools, right?

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 29, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Skins needed Jim Mora to comment at their press conference yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM

Posted by: bernard_thompson | November 29, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I mean, why is Rabach back starting when he's CLEARLY not only hurting physically, but hurting the team with his @#!*% poor play....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I read a Boswell article the other week that I thought presented the best/clearest explanation as to why Shanny is in love with these small lightweight linemen (Kory L & Rabach) and why it needs to change.

In Denver, Shanny constructed a team that leveraged the advantage of playing at a high altitude. Smaller lighter quicker linemen who are stretching defenders in a zone-blocking scheme are going to wear down bigger bulkier Dlinemen over the course of a game - not because the Olinemen are overpowering them, but because the heavier Dlinemen don't have the conditioning/stamina to keep up with the smaller guys in high altitude conditions.

Shanny's home record in Denver was far far better than his road record.

The only problem is that Shanny is not playing 8 games a season a mile above sea level anymore, and that advantage no longer exists. Now his smaller/lighter guys are just getting pounded into the turn by NFC bullies.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

1st of all....2007 is like a sacred year. So how can you compare 2007 to this year?

I wouldn't be mad if Reid said maybe there's still hope like 2005 when we were the same exact record @ 5-6 and we won 5 games straight on the back of CP26 and ST21 getting big turnovers and converting them to TDs....

But I guess Reid's Redskins knowledge doesn't go that far back.....and then Portis would have to be credited too...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 29, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I understand the philosophy of Year 1. The question is - what pray-tell do we have moving forward?


Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 10:02 AM


Brandon Banks was a nice find. McNabb has looked better the last couple weeks than he did going into the bye week. Montgomery didn't look bad the last couple weeks. We now know LaRon Landry is a legit force in the secondary. DHall is a playmaker. Keiland Williams has potential to be good. AA is at worst a solid depth WR. And that's just off the top of my head.

Regardless of whether the news is good, we learned plenty about what we do/don't have and what we need in the offseason. Don't let a bad loss skew your view of where we are and where we're going...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

But, I def don't see 2005 in 2010.....

Time to play, 'Guess who will an will not be here next year?'

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 29, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

If anyone thinks the Redskins are making the playoffs they are morons. Another meaningless December. Boycott Fedex Field.

Posted by: DCFanatic | November 29, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

hogwash, horse hockey, snake oil, cash cow, and various other old man exclamations

Posted by: pabrian2003

Phooey and Jumping Jehosophats!

Posted by: smittdiddy | November 29, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 10:02 AM


Brandon Banks was a nice find. McNabb has looked better the last couple weeks than he did going into the bye week. Montgomery didn't look bad the last couple weeks. We now know LaRon Landry is a legit force in the secondary. DHall is a playmaker. Keiland Williams has potential to be good. AA is at worst a solid depth WR. And that's just off the top of my head.

Regardless of whether the news is good, we learned plenty about what we do/don't have and what we need in the offseason. Don't let a bad loss skew your view of where we are and where we're going...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse


Ok. So, I already mentioned Banks and AA. That gives us a return man and a #2/#3 WR.

We already knew about Hall. We didn't need this year to learn that he can get picks.

LL30 can play in the 3-4. Unfortunately Albert Haynesworth and Andre Carter cannot; and London Fletcher's skills are mitigated. Not to mention Brian Orakpo's production seems to have tailed off. So that's kind of a wash in terms of progress.

Keiland Williams looks like a nice multi-purpose #2 RB. But, frankly, multi-purpose #2 RBs kind of grow on trees in this league. He's not an every game starter, and that's what we still need.

So besides AA, Banks, LL30's bounce-back and finding some nice #2 RBs on the cheap, what do we know?

I wouldn't say "plenty".

And BTW - I'm not reeling from the bad loss. I predicted we'd lose going into the game, so I'm not surprised it happened.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

james davis sucks!

Really? The lastest, greatest practice squad savior isn't an instant Hall of Famer? Shocker!

the O line sucks, but the RBs is the worst managed position group in the entire NFL, perhaps all of sports.

You're half right. The O-line sucks.

Are you trying to tell me that Larry Johnson, Willie Parker, Ladell Betts, and/or Rock Cartwright couldn't help this team?

Yep. That's exactly what I'm saying

hogwash, horse hockey, snake oil, cash cow, and various other old man exclamations

I prefer "Bullhonkey!"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 29, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 29, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Keiland Williams is asscheeks without the crack.

Dude is garbage.


beans, Rabach has been on my sh*t list since those false start penalties in Dallas last year. I think all this "pre-snap reads" junk is overvalued. So can the QB and offensive coordinator. So what if he can make pre-snap reads? 'Bout tried of seeing this dude getting mauled into the backfield on every snap.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 29, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Time to play, 'Guess who will an will not be here next year?'


Posted by: 4thFloor | November 29, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse


Portis, Haynesworth, Daniels, Rabach (please, Lord), Moss, Dockery, Grossman, Kemeoatu, Carter and Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 29, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Keiland Williams is asscheeks without the crack.

Dude is garbage.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 29, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse


Red, I don't know what you do for a living, but you should work for a website/publication that writes up player-scouting blurbs.

Your mock-up assessment of Keiland Williams skill set is golden!

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

So besides AA, Banks, LL30's bounce-back and finding some nice #2 RBs on the cheap, what do we know?

I wouldn't say "plenty".

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 10:37 AM

Part of learning what we know, is finding out that players like Carter, Haynesworth aren't good fits in this scheme. I know we, the fans, knew that, but the coaches had to get their evals in. I think they learned that, Kemo isn't going to be the player at NT that makes a difference. I think they've learned a bunch about the Oline. Another offseason purge to get rid of "dead weight" players, and to bring in players that fit the schemes better will be the next step of this re-tooling of the Redskins.

Posted by: TWISI | November 29, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, bottom line is we learned what we have and don't have on this team. Just because there was more bad news than good doesn't mean we don't know...

We can step more decisively in 2011. If we're seeing the same issues this time next year, THEN it's time to press the panic button.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

red, no kidding, great, he makes a pre-snap adjustment, that gets thrown out the window when he either steps on #5's foot, or gets pancaked....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Portis, Haynesworth, Daniels, Rabach (please, Lord), Moss, Dockery, Grossman, Kemeoatu, Carter and Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 29, 2010 10:41 AM |

No way, Moss and Kemeoatu will be here next year. I think Kelly and Haynesworth still have a chance too (although not sold on it.) Maake will hopefully be a backup. Hopefully Rabach will be gone but I wouldn't be surprised if he was still here, although hopefully as only a backup if he is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

So last year DeAngelo Hall was on everyone’s list for letting Jake Delhomme run for a 1st down that iced the game for the panthers. Who are we mad at today after a 41 year old QB with a fractures in his ankle runs untouched for a game icing first down? Carriker, Doughty….Lorenzo Alexnder? Just tell me who to hate, and we’ll run em out of town!

Another frustrating Sunday. Still on track for 8-8, and now that they are 5-6 it should mean that we will beat the Giants next week.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 29, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Riddle me this: Why install a full 3-4 this year with 4-3 players when alot of those 4-3 players might be gone in the next two years anyway? Carter, Haynesworth, Macintosh, Fletcher, etc.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 29, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Reading that JR article, the only actual quotes from Redskins players seemed non-commital to the idea of making the playoffs. So who, exactly, is hoping "to put together a run like 2007"? Not buying it mate.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 29, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Riddle me this: Why install a full 3-4 this year with 4-3 players when alot of those 4-3 players might be gone in the next two years anyway? Carter, Haynesworth, Macintosh, Fletcher, etc.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 29, 2010 11:07 AM |

Because this isn't win now football. You have to see which 4-3 personnel can make the transition and which ones can't.The ones that do don't have to be replaced. The ones that can't can start packing bags. Really pretty simple.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

p1, I'm just trying to figure out why are some people so amped over Keiland Williams. When watching him, he's a third stringer at best, he lacks speed, pass protection, and vision. The only thing I'll give him credit for is his pass catching skills -- which aren't all that to begin with. He has no business being a starter.

And I thought this James Davis was suppose to be "the find" this season? I know it was his first game with 'em, but he looked bummish at best.


beans, not sure what they're waiting on. Shut Rabach down for the season, and rotate Will Montgomery and Erik Cook at the Center position. Usually it's something that I'm against (see: continuing to rotate Dockery and Lichtensteiger 4 weeks into season), but seeing how they should use these last four weeks to evaluate as many players as they can, I'm all for bringing in no-names and swapping players out in the middle of games when appropriate.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 29, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

what is frustrating to me is how after featuring the TE's in the first drive, they COMPLETELY went away from that the rest of the game...why stop doing something that was working?? And if the Vikes did something to stop it, why wasn't an adjustment made to get Moss/Armstrong more involved.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 29, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

james davis sucks!

Really? The lastest, greatest practice squad savior isn't an instant Hall of Famer? Shocker!

the O line sucks, but the RBs is the worst managed position group in the entire NFL, perhaps all of sports.

You're half right. The O-line sucks.

Are you trying to tell me that Larry Johnson, Willie Parker, Ladell Betts, and/or Rock Cartwright couldn't help this team?

Yep. That's exactly what I'm saying

hogwash, horse hockey, snake oil, cash cow, and various other old man exclamations

I prefer "Bullhonkey!"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 29, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 29, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

so, you like the way the RBs were managed?

Wasting our entire off-season with LJ and WP only to later cut LJ mid season and try to win with practice squaders.

Get some real RBs in here in the off-season MGMT. Complete failure so far by Shanahan/Allen in this position group

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 29, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

p1, I'm just trying to figure out why are some people so amped over Keiland Williams. When watching him, he's a third stringer at best, he lacks speed, pass protection, and vision. The only thing I'll give him credit for is his pass catching skills -- which aren't all that to begin with. He has no business being a starter.

And I thought this James Davis was suppose to be "the find" this season? I know it was his first game with 'em, but he looked bummish at best.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 29, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse


I agree w/ you Red. I said Keiland was a #2 multi-purpose back. He can catch some, run some, I'm sure he'll work on his pass-pro. He's not starter, though.

People are gaga over the fact that he was an UFA rookie and like the idea of finding a diamond in the rough - though with KW it's more like a ziricon. Anyhow, bottom line is that he doesn't look like Arian Foster 2.0. Ladell Betts 2.0 is more like it.

GOtta wait on James Davis. Dude has been with the team for like 2-3 weeks. Also Vkes front 4 is talented.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

So last year DeAngelo Hall was on everyone’s list for letting Jake Delhomme run for a 1st down that iced the game for the panthers. Who are we mad at today after a 41 year old QB with a fractures in his ankle runs untouched for a game icing first down? Carriker, Doughty….Lorenzo Alexnder? Just tell me who to hate, and we’ll run em out of town!

Posted by: dlhaze1


Doesn't work that way. In order to draw the ire of some of these fans, you must detest guys who are outspoken, make a lot of money, and make game changing plays. Those are the guys that fans like to sh*t on without having the decency to call it "tough love". But guys like Doughty, Lo Alexander - people love them because they feel they can identify with them best.... The lovable loser types.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 29, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Because this isn't win now football. You have to see which 4-3 personnel can make the transition and which ones can't.The ones that do don't have to be replaced. The ones that can't can start packing bags. Really pretty simple.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 29, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

If it isn't win now football, why bring in McNabb and trade picks for him? That's where the confusion lies. Why not wait, like GB did, and actually get the players first before installing the 3-4?

Posted by: ga8085 | November 29, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Who are we mad at today after a 41 year old QB with a fractures in his ankle runs untouched for a game icing first down? Carriker, Doughty….Lorenzo Alexnder? Just tell me who to hate, and we’ll run em out of town!

Another frustrating Sunday. Still on track for 8-8, and now that they are 5-6 it should mean that we will beat the Giants next week.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 29, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

It looked to me the Lo should've stayed with Brett. It looked like Reed had the TE in the flat. When Lo bailed on Farve it ment the Carricker had to make the play...Carricker and Kemo may be the only players slower than Farve.

Posted by: TWISI | November 29, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't work that way. In order to draw the ire of some of these fans, you must detest guys who are outspoken, make a lot of money, and make game changing plays. Those are the guys that fans like to sh*t on without having the decency to call it "tough love". But guys like Doughty, Lo Alexander - people love them because they feel they can identify with them best.... The lovable loser types.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 29, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Zo and Reed Doughty are not in the same class.

Zo is a starter in this league.

Reed Doughty is Rudy.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Dont think you can fully blame the RBs with this terrible of an oline, and such inconsistent play calling and pass attack.
I can undersatnd people getting mad at how the RB situation was handled. But LJ and willie would be doing no better then the peeps that have been thrown out there.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 29, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

The only problem with that thinking is that we already knew Carter couldn't play in a 3-4, and Haynie specifically avoided 3-4 teams when he was shopping the league and signed here. So that's 2 major DL who would be maligned in the 3-4 and yet we installed it as our base package this year. It would have made a lot of sense to install it next year after we could have gotten a pure NT and extra OLB in the draft. This also would have given us time to beef up Carter's and Haynie's trade value so we could get something for them instead of absolutely nothing. I'm sure Carter would have loved to play in a 4-3 this year and then been traded to whatever team he preferred that was playing the 4-3. This also would have given us time to let Jarmon get to a proper playing weight and have a proper offseason so he wouldn't be injured/inactive so much this year.

What I don't understand is that our defense last year held opposing offenses in check until the very end of the game where they let the opposing team let the clock run out or score to take the lead and is maligned by fans this year. Yet after the exact same thing happens this year (Vikes) the defense is not responsible at all for the loss. And this is despite the mistakes that throttled us in the Vikes game plaguing us all last year. It makes little sense.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | November 29, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I think James Davis is being judged a bit harshly. He looked quicker than every back the Skins have had play this year. He hasn't been with the team long enough to make the kind of impact some of you apparently expected.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | November 29, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

after 41 year old, washed up, scandal ridden, pneumonia stricken brett favre carved up our d for that 10 yard gain that ended the game, my friend send me a message saying.

"what the F was that?"

I said with authority,

"Washington Redskins Football!!"

Posted by: retroskins14 | November 29, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I said Keiland was a #2 multi-purpose back. He can catch some, run some, I'm sure he'll work on his pass-pro. He's not starter, though.

People are gaga over the fact that he was an UFA rookie and like the idea of finding a diamond in the rough - though with KW it's more like a ziricon. Anyhow, bottom line is that he doesn't look like Arian Foster 2.0. Ladell Betts 2.0 is more like it.

GOtta wait on James Davis. Dude has been with the team for like 2-3 weeks. Also Vkes front 4 is talented.

Posted by: p1funk


I'd take a '06 Betts over a '10 Keiland.

Or give me a '09 Betts (before the ACL tear) and '09 Cartwright splitting carries over the assembly of mediocrity that is the 2010 backfield.


Shanahan and Brian Westbroook probably both kicking themselves in the ass these days. Was it money with Westbrook? Playing time?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 29, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Really funny how peeps like to point to how this team rebuilt their team or how that team did it. How many playoff games or SB have those teams won?

Thing is, if given a chance, there is a good chance some other teams fan is going to be pointing at the Skins and how they built their team.

One year was not going to fix a 4-12 team that was mismanaged for over 10 years. Patience is what is required even though it is hard for us fans. I get just as pissed as I watch games as anyone else, but the reality is, this is not a good team. How can there be "trap" games for a 4-12 team?

Let's be realistic here and admit that we are fortunate to be 5-6. Yes we lost to teams we maybe should have beat, but we also beat some teams we should have lost to.

Relax guys, this is going to take some time.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 29, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1 | November 29, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Agreed people that havent seen him dont understand that he needs to have a seam to break off a run. This oline= no seams. Really dosent matter who you have back there. B westbrook would have already had his dome split again running on this team.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 29, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Time to play, 'Guess who will an will not be here next year?'

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 29, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Portis, Haynesworth, Daniels, Rabach (please, Lord), Moss, Dockery, Grossman, Kemeoatu, Carter and Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 29, 2010 10:41 AM

Also missing will be McNabb (replaced by Vick or traded for Cutler), Holliday, Rogers (due to player unhappiness ... maybe Rocky McI goes for the same reason), one of punters (obviously ... but I think its Smith who goes), Daniels, Hicks, and maybe Carriker. Buchanon also will be replaced.

Grossman, Rabach will stay, but Rabach will lose his starter spot.

Posted by: dcsween | November 29, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly will be back. If he stays healthy through training camp, he keeps his job ... and Roydell Williams goes to the curb.

Posted by: dcsween | November 29, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

This defense needs speed and it just doesn't have any.


An observable trend since the third preseason game is that you can run on the edges of the redskin defense.

Another is that screen passes kill it.

A third is that we lack a dominate linebacker opposite Orakpo who can cover while he rushes the passer.

Switching to a 3-4 isn't the problem.

The problem was depending upon Albert Haynesworth to be a force at nose guard (something he didn't want to do) and not signing either Larry Foote/Joey Porter to the money they wanted when they came to town.

You can't decide to make a scheme change and then decide not to pay players you need to make it work or pay a guy $21 million to play a position he doesn't want to play.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Did you guys already talk about how yesterday was the Williams Bowl? There were snaps with six guys named Williams on the field:

Kevin, Pat, Madieu v. Keiland, Trent, and Roydell

Posted by: dcsween | November 29, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

James Davis has potential. But, we won't know until next year when we hopefully improve our OLine...too bad DLine is priority in upgrades...

Keiland Williams can be a good option in a backfeild that is sharing the load or backing up a RB stud......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 29, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Also find it funny how easy people think getting a nose tackle will be. Oh ya know we will uh just go draft a NT and he will be great, they are so easy to find.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 29, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

... and not signing either Larry Foote/Joey Porter to the money they wanted when they came to town. ...

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 11:48 AM

... and instead signing Larry Johnson/Joey Galloway (or Willie Parker, if you want to stick with the Steelers thing).

Bottom line: important money thrown on wrong side of the line of scrimmage.

Posted by: dcsween | November 29, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

*Non-Redskins Football Highlight of the Week*

Andre Johnson is the man. Period.

He was already the man b/c he's just a flat-out mack when it comes to being a WR, but after handing Courtland Finnegan a back-alley beatdown, he's elevated even further.

By many accounts, Courtland Finnegan is one of those dirty, annoying, low-down defenders who makes a name for himself by living in the gray area.

A graduate from the Rodney Harrison School of NFL Defenders.

The kind of defender everyone daydreams about grabbing, ripping off his helmet and jacking him in the face.

And Andre Johnson lived the dream.

Kudos.

I only wish he'd done the same to Rodney Harrison...

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

learnedhand1

I think James Davis is being judged a bit harshly.


Help me here: did it seem that he, James Davis, lacked 'explosion' through the hole?

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Also find it funny how easy people think getting a nose tackle will be. Oh ya know we will uh just go draft a NT and he will be great, they are so easy to find.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 29, 2010 11:52 AM

No need to draft. There's a formula ... just find a stud NCAA wrestler who knows how to maintain a low center of gravity ... see Kelly Gregg (also Sebastian Vollmer, but I get it that he's a RT).

Posted by: dcsween | November 29, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

dsween,
i did mention that here yesterday. i was also wondering if that's some kind of record. not only were there 6 players named williams, but they were all on the field at the same time. i mean 6 of 22 players w/the same last name?!

so i was wondering:
1)if that's a record for the name "williams"
2)what's the record for any name?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 29, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Also find it funny how easy people think getting a nose tackle will be. Oh ya know we will uh just go draft a NT and he will be great, they are so easy to find.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 29, 2010 11:52 AM


And a franchise QB. And a stud RB. And a top-flight WR. Etc, etc.

I agree with the "build thru the draft" mantra as much as anyone...but some folks up here act like the mere act of adopting that philosophy will have us as title contenders overnight. As if the mere presence of more picks will magically ensure that we hit on ALL of them. If it were that easy, the Browns, Lions, and Bengals would be in much better shape (both currently and historically) than they are...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

sween, Cain Valesquez???

Posted by: Stu27 | November 29, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Which way will the gnome face after this Sunday's game?

http://www.giantsgnome.com/

Posted by: giantsgnome | November 29, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Also missing will be McNabb (replaced by Vick or traded for Cutler), Holliday, Rogers (due to player unhappiness ... maybe Rocky McI goes for the same reason), one of punters (obviously ... but I think its Smith who goes), Daniels, Hicks, and maybe Carriker. Buchanon also will be replaced.

Grossman, Rabach will stay, but Rabach will lose his starter spot.

Posted by: dcsween | November 29, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse


I'm on the fence about Bouncy McShortpass. He may be back if they can't trade him to AZ score in free agency. I think they draft a QB and elevate Beck to #2, clearing the way for Grossman to get bounced.

I think Double-move will be back. Haslett really seems to like him.

Santana is a free agent, and while I like him, there needs to be a youth movement and a 31 year old receiver should not be part of that. My gut tells me that he will be a Patriot next season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 29, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Also find it funny how easy people think getting a nose tackle will be. Oh ya know we will uh just go draft a NT and he will be great, they are so easy to find.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 29, 2010 11:52 AM

No need to draft. There's a formula ... just find a stud NCAA wrestler who knows how to maintain a low center of gravity ... see Kelly Gregg (also Sebastian Vollmer, but I get it that he's a RT).

Posted by: dcsween | November 29, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse


I still don't understand why we don't pull an all-out "Necessary Roughness" and find some sumo wrestler in the Japanese circuit to come over and play NT.

Seriously, why would it NOT succeed?

The Skins should start the trend...kind of like the whole basketball-player-turned-tight-end trend that we see in the NFL.

Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Also find it funny how easy people think getting a nose tackle will be. Oh ya know we will uh just go draft a NT and he will be great, they are so easy to find.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 29, 2010 11:52 AM

I'm starting to call that B.S.

In the draft. You hit and miss...in all rounds...studs come from all rounds. Sure, the proportionate 'hit' percentage goes down as the rounds climb, but you can 'hit' in any round, irregardless, as long as you pick the right fit for the right team with th right scheme.....STAMPED.......

Funny how we needed a speedy receiver like DJax who can flip field postion and we got our version via an undfrafted rookie FA....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 29, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

And the next London Fletcher for when he is gone, and the next Jeff Saturday for right now. Sad to say but the more ive watched the skins this year the less talent I believe we have going forward.
I guess the first step is to admit you have a problem. But im not sure if the FO is ready to identify that this team has to many problems to quick fix.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 29, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

Bottom line: important money thrown on wrong side of the line of scrimmage.


And when FA starts up, where would you spend money?

--add a wr (VJackson!) and re-sign S Moss

--free safety (or convert Kevin Barnes to the position)

--outside linebacker

My plan would start there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

p1, co-sign on the Andre Johnson props. When someone who regularly keep their cool like Andre Johnson, goes spas mode, then it's usually the other person that provoked him.

The bama Finnegan is an asshat. Extremely overrated. Obvious that he has to resort to the grab-ass-ticky-tacky to mask his skills, or lack thereof.

There some players that you know other players will privately applaud on the day they're carted off the field. Ol' Corky is definitely one.


Also, you mentioned Rodney Harrison - did you see on Football Night In America where he dogged Finnegan for his dirty play? Got me the thinking about how he was the ALL-TIME LEADER IN FINES in the NFL for his head-hunting cheap shot tactics. I guess sitting behind a desk with the cameras rolling you can be re-born.

Just like Matt Millen.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 29, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I still don't understand why we don't pull an all-out "Necessary Roughness" and find some sumo wrestler in the Japanese circuit to come over and play NT.
Seriously, why would it NOT succeed?
The Skins should start the trend...kind of like the whole basketball-player-turned-tight-end trend that we see in the NFL.
Posted by: p1funk | November 29, 2010 12:04 PM

I always wondered why there are no basketball rejects in the nfl who are 6 foot 8 with 45 inch vertical leaps whose single purpose is to try and block FG’s/extra pts…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 29, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

To Monk811: Yeah, yeah, yeah.... I saw the players on the sideline trying to get their teammates fired up. How'd that work for them? You had no comment about the rest of my post saying that I like the coach's disciplinarian approach - I really do. But when you have an over the hill squad - we are the oldest squad in the league - you do have to appeal to the warrior in them and get them fired up. What's wrong with a coach calling a timeout, getting his team gathered around him on the sideline and asking them for more? What the heck is wrong with that?

Yeah they're grown ups, they get paid well, but that in and of itself is sometimes a problem. This coach asks for a lot of accountability for his players in practice, their conditioning, their knowledge of the plays etc. - as well he should. He also does a good job of placing the blame squarely on the players whenever ANYTHING AT ALL GOES WRONG. He's got to be accountable to them in some way. REAL LEADERSHIP goes both ways. I wonder if you realize that, 811?

The great coaches know this and know how to appeal to their guys. The others just get into verbal shoving matches with them in the media. It's time to show some faith in the guys you have. If the coach doesn't believe in them, then they WILL NOT BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES!

Posted by: BenThere | November 29, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

so i was wondering:
1)if that's a record for the name "williams"
2)what's the record for any name?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 29, 2010 11:56 AM

I think it happened in womens' tennis once ... three back-to-back matches of doubles.

I saw the Williams #87 on my screen for an offensive play and remarked to my father-in-law. He registered it later in the day watching the Miami game and the old-man-who-isn't-that-old-because-he-took-some-time-off-from-NFL-due-to-weed-and-Canada-football reel off a long gain. It was a Williamsy day.

I'm doubtful that most Sumo wrestlers could pass Shanahan's shuttle run thing like Haynesworth eventually maybe did.

I like Rogers. Haslett likes Rogers. I don't think Rogers likes the Skins anymore. Grossman is a necessary evil to train the next QB. Moss probably wants to retire as a Skin ... not sure whether he has kids, but I know that older players (esp. the non-loudmouths) don't want to have to move their kids (that they don't get to see for about 9 out of 12 months).

Posted by: dcsween | November 29, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

He registered it later in the day watching the Miami game and the old-man-who-isn't-that-old-because-he-took-some-time-off-from-NFL-due-to-weed-and-Canada-football reel off a long gain.


I don't care about his age or history.

But I would love to see Ricky Williams as a redskin.

That dude hits a hole with force and still has open field speed.

He really doesn't need superior blocking to be superior.

If he's availible, I'd sign him without a thought and pay him well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

The saddest part of this? McNabb played well and we still lost.

We keep finding ways to lose. This week it was -- at home -- to a 3-7 team -- without their best player.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 29, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I suspect that someday Perry Riley might be a reliable ILB. I also figure that, with some weight gain and muscle mass building, Selvish Capers might push for an OT spot. For as long as T. Williams and Jammal Brown are healthy, I figure they are the starters, but maybe not on Brown ... prior to the game where he played guard, I couldn't see Heyer staying on the roster b/c he doesn't get low enough and he's not that fast. Capers is real fast. The biggest depth fall off is, like Moe says, at LB (both inside and out). Skins are real shallow at every position except maybe tight end (though they are deeper than I thought at inside OL ... if you could consider that the depth is as good or better than the starters ... which is itself depressing).

Posted by: dcsween | November 29, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Santana is a free agent, and while I like him, there needs to be a youth movement and a 31 year old receiver should not be part of that. My gut tells me that he will be a Patriot next season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 29, 2010 12:04 PM


Right...because a "youth movement" means you can't have ANY veteran players on your roster. I mean, Fletcher is over 35...better get him outta here.

I mean, really dude...regardless of age, Moss has been far and away the most productive WR we have and his numbers are actually up from a year ago. If he prices himself out of a job, that's one thing...but if you think the offense is bad now, let Moss walk away and see what happens...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 29, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Funny how we needed a speedy receiver like DJax who can flip field postion and we got our version via an undfrafted rookie FA....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 29, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

And when does this guy suit up for us...Im very interested now.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 29, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Talent and team speed. Two things on my Redskins wish list again. Again.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 29, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Also find it funny how easy people think getting a nose tackle will be. Oh ya know we will uh just go draft a NT and he will be great, they are so easy to find.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 29, 2010 11:52 AM

I'm starting to call that B.S.

In the draft. You hit and miss...in all rounds...studs come from all rounds. Sure, the proportionate 'hit' percentage goes down as the rounds climb, but you can 'hit' in any round, irregardless, as long as you pick the right fit for the right team with th right scheme.....STAMPED.......

Funny how we needed a speedy receiver like DJax who can flip field postion and we got our version via an undfrafted rookie FA....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 29, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Put together a run like 2007? Not with this team.

The best thing about the Redskins is the special teams, and unless Brandon Banks scores a touchdown on every return without having it negated by unnecessary penalties (two TDs negated so far this season), this team is heading nowhere but the NFC East basement.

Whatever playoff hopes existed was essentially quelled by yesterday's loss. The defense is a hit-or-miss while the offense is a complete miss.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 29, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes! Brilliant! Predicted scores:

Redskins 28, Giants 24
Redskins 35, Bucs 17
Redskins 13, Cowboys 0
Redskins 34, Jaguars 10
Redskins 42, Giants 13

Playoffs:
Redskins 49, Packers 10
Redskins 66, Saints 3

Super Bowl:
Redskins 493, Patriots -20

Redskins win!!!! It's all going to plan!!!!

Posted by: drischord | November 29, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 29, 2010 12:29 PM

Are you talking about Banks? If so, he's not a "receiver." He's a strictly a return man like Dante Hall.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | November 29, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

The saddest part of this? McNabb played well and we still lost.


The unique perspective, then, is all about the power of benching a quarterback.

McNabb's play has improved dramatically since the benching at the lions' game and media hurricane that followed Mike Shanahan's cryptic reasoning behind it.

And losing to the Eagles at home on Monday night after signing an extension probably factors into the mix as well.

And it's all a good mix, IMO.

What seems to have helped McNabb schematically is that the redskin offense has been re-tooled to emphasize the few tools we have: Moss, Armstrong, Cooley, and Davis.

It seems that each guy has a defined role in the passing game (Cooley middle, Davis outside, Armstrong long, Moss medium), and McNabb goes to where he knows guys are.

You have to hope this trend continues as it should result in improved production and scoring once R Torain comes back to balance things out with the running game.


Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh, to have offensive linemen that could actually block... Come on Bruce Allen. There's got to be someone - anyone - out there in the great ether that can play guard or center better than our group of creampuffs.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 29, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about his age or history.

But I would love to see Ricky Williams as a redskin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 12:18 PM

I'm not holding his age or his history against him (just saying that his history explains why he can still be fresh at his age), but I just wouldn't trade all my draft picks for a RB, even Ricky Williams.

Posted by: dcsween | November 29, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

To Monk811: Yeah, yeah, yeah.... I saw the players on the sideline trying to get their teammates fired up. How'd that work for them? You had no comment about the rest of my post saying that I like the coach's disciplinarian approach - I really do. But when you have an over the hill squad - we are the oldest squad in the league - you do have to appeal to the warrior in them and get them fired up. What's wrong with a coach calling a timeout, getting his team gathered around him on the sideline and asking them for more? What the heck is wrong with that?

Yeah they're grown ups, they get paid well, but that in and of itself is sometimes a problem. This coach asks for a lot of accountability for his players in practice, their conditioning, their knowledge of the plays etc. - as well he should. He also does a good job of placing the blame squarely on the players whenever ANYTHING AT ALL GOES WRONG. He's got to be accountable to them in some way. REAL LEADERSHIP goes both ways. I wonder if you realize that, 811?

The great coaches know this and know how to appeal to their guys. The others just get into verbal shoving matches with them in the media. It's time to show some faith in the guys you have. If the coach doesn't believe in them, then they WILL NOT BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES!

Posted by: BenThere | November 29, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

To BenThere: I purposely didn't comment on the last part of your post because I had already addressed it. But, I'll say it again cause obviously you are 'slow'!

"What do you want him to do, suit up and go play?"

A coach can only do so much to motivate the players. IT'S UP TO THE PLAYERS to get motivated. Not every game is like some movie, like 'Win one for the Gipper!', and if you think that, you should obviously stop watching football and get another hobby, I think Barbie collecting would be good for you!

So now you want to waste a timeout to give them a pep talk??? This all should have been done BEFORE THE GAME. You don't think the WHOLE TEAM already knew they were in deep sh*t and should have gotten their heads outta their azz when it was 14-0 before McNabb even attempted a pass? Come on Ben, get real, calling a timeout for the coach to yell at them would not have mattered.

REAL LEADERSHIP is what Fletch and McNabb were TRYING to do. Do you honestly think the Shannahan's were giving up??? They had on their faces the EXACT look that the rest of Redskins Nation had: the look of disbelief! That was a once in a lifetime game and circumstance, the Eagles, especially Vick, were all in a zone, nothing we did would have turned that around or changed the outcome. REAL LEADERSHIP is going out there and playing by example and never giving up, but you should understand REAL LEADERSHIP, don't they teach that at Burger King? Oops, that's beep's joke! We'll just say you work in sanitation, cause the sh*t you just spewed straight up stinks!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 29, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about his age or history.

But I would love to see Ricky Williams as a redskin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 12:18 PM

Why? What's he bring to the table that two dozen other running backs don't also bring?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 29, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about his age or history.

But I would love to see Ricky Williams as a redskin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 29, 2010 12:18 PM

Why? What's he bring to the table that two dozen other running backs don't also bring?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 29, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

The GOOD marijuana man.........

Posted by: monk811 | November 29, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The key to this team's success is the defense....take a look at the final scores:

- Redskins record when the opponent scores 17 points or more: 0 - 6

- Redskins record when the opponent scores 16 points or less: 5 - 0

Our offense is not scoring a lot of points as usual (we have not hit 30 points once this year), so the D has to hold our opponents down.

Honestly thought, it's hard to see that happening when the D is ranked in the bottom 10th of the league...

Posted by: rone1 | November 29, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The key to this team's success is the defense....take a look at the final scores:

- Redskins record when the opponent scores 17 points or more: 0 - 6

- Redskins record when the opponent scores 16 points or less: 5 - 0

Our offense is not scoring a lot of points as usual (we have not hit 30 points once this year), so the D has to hold our opponents down.

Honestly thought, it's hard to see that happening when the D is ranked in the bottom 10th of the league...

Posted by: rone1 | November 29, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The key to this team's success is the defense....take a look at the final scores:

- Redskins record when the opponent scores 17 points or more: 0 - 6

- Redskins record when the opponent scores 16 points or less: 5 - 0

Our offense is not scoring a lot of points as usual (we have not hit 30 points once this year), so the D has to hold our opponents down.

Honestly thought, it's hard to see that happening when the D is ranked in the bottom 10th of the league...

Posted by: rone1 | November 29, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line, horrible defense, rank in the top 10 last 4 or five years. this year dead last. get rid of Haz or get players that can truly play a 3-4 defense.

Posted by: dmayfiel | November 29, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

NEW POSTS, 2 of them, follow to the next post!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 29, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Dude give me a drag of that flat cig before you put it out. Be happy for 8-8 and move on to next year. when you are 2-4 at home you are not a playoff team.

Posted by: mc11232 | November 29, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Gladiator2008 wrote:
The Redskins' problem for the past ten years has been and remains the same: a patchwork offensive line that, year after year, never is fixed because it is neglected by Snyder, who throws away money and draft picks in a never-ending quest for yesterday's superstar (but today's has-been).
11/29/2010 11:28:20 AM
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Exactly! Snyder’s forever calling himself a lifelong fan who grew up with the Redskins. Then WHY is he SO LOST on the concept of drafting an effective offensive line? Surely he remembers The Hogs; surely he recalls them being key in the Skins showing up at four Super Bowls under a decade. He sees those trophies.

But like you said, he throws money down the drain and employs Casey Rabach year after year after year…. I don’t get it. Is he really a Dallas fan?

Vent over.

Posted by: katedog | November 29, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

To Monk811: Don't be tho thenthitive. It's unbecoming of a woman of your character

Posted by: BenThere | November 29, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

This team is not as good as the 2007 team. Older, slower, less talented.

They will not run the table. Fully half of these guys likely won't be here next year. From what I've seen, they'll be lucky to go 2-3 over the next 5 games.

End of story. I LOVE me some Skins, but we're (at least) 2 yrs away from a serious playoff run.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | November 29, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

PLAYOFFS ? THE G-MEN ARE GOING TO ABUSE US NEXT WEEK. LETS BE REAL HERE. WE'RE TWO FULL SUCCESSFUL DRAFTS AWAY FROM BEING A REAL TEAM. BY THE WAY LETS DRAFT A QB AS WELL. D-MAC IS NOT THE ANSWER EITHER.

Posted by: MOJOMELE | November 29, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

PLAYOFFS ? THE G-MEN ARE GOING TO ABUSE US NEXT WEEK. LETS BE REAL HERE. WE'RE TWO FULL SUCCESSFUL DRAFTS AWAY FROM BEING A REAL TEAM. BY THE WAY LETS DRAFT A QB AS WELL. D-MAC IS NOT THE ANSWER EITHER.

Posted by: MOJOMELE | November 29, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Jason, a run like 2007? I guess false hope is better than no hope at all. 6-10.

Posted by: ExPatYankee | November 29, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

At least this is better than the fans are crap article. Where's Sean when you need him?

Posted by: steven09 | November 29, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I love the Redskins, but let's quit fooling ourselves. I will be shocked if they win again this season. The team will not beat the Giants -- that's two losses. It is highly doubtful they will beat Dallas in Big D. That's three losses, leaving the the resurgent Bucs and the Jags. If they have a win or two it might come against those two Florida teams. But I would say the record is no more than 6-10 and probably 5-11.

Posted by: royhobbs56 | November 29, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

The goal is just to get to 8-8, then it will be a successful season based on this schedule. Just get the new systems down on offense and defense so that it will feel like second nature for any returning players next season. Forget about this season and stop listening to JReid or SCzabon or KSheihan or other delusionists who spout playoff talks. Only a fool believes....

Posted by: JohnWWW | November 29, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

This is 2010, not 2007. Our defense is in the bottom 2 or 3 in the league. So is our offense. We have an exciting kick returner.....that's about it for our team.
Giants twice, Dallas, Tampa Bay......
Minnesota was one of the easiest games we have left and we couldn't win that. 5 - 11 has a ring to it. Maybe we'll go crazy and end up 6 - 10. 8 - 8 is ridiculous....we're just not that good, plus half the team is hurt. See ya next year.....

Posted by: Riggo2 | November 29, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

5 straight?
I'd like what Jason is drinking and smoking: combined like he does.

Ah 2007. Or 1999. Or 1991. And 1987. Plus 1982-1984. Days gone by. Back then, Vanity 6 and Wham were h-o-t. TODAY Jason, we have a washed up past his prime QB and RB + a coach that never has won without riding Elway to do it and a future HOF RB and TE.

Posted by: morrisday1 | November 29, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Don't hold your breath, Jason. The Deadskins still have McNabb as quarterback and cadre of receivers willing to drop his catchable balls.

Ever notice the prevent defense usually prevents a team form winning. And it starts out looking like the 3-4. You can't play that defense if you don't have the players.

You can say similar things about the offensive line. But instead of drafting a right tackle the 'Skins traded for over-the-hill McNabb and traded for an injured Brown. And that is how Shanahan started his term at driving the personnel bus for the 'Skins. Not much of an improvement over the last ten years of Redskins football.

Right now the Raiders and 49ers have better chances of making the playoffs.

Posted by: BigTrees | November 29, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that is complaining about the refs calls just verifies that we have a very bad team.........good teams overcome bad calls by refs and minor penalties and a few drops by WRs. Overall the team has lessened the many penalties they used to continually do over and over like delay of game and OL procedure calls. But the few they do have come at very bad times during drives which are few. MVP's are the punter and kicker - we would be in really bad shape with a terrible punter..........

Posted by: FrancisHerbert | November 30, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Run the table? Playoffs? Herm Edwards comes to mind. This team will be lucky to finish 8-8. This is supposed to be objective reporting?

Posted by: Jamz | November 30, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

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