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Dan Steinberg and LaVar Arrington joined Rick Maese on this week's Redskins Insider Live webcast to talk about the win against the Packers and whether the run can continue against the Colts this Sunday night.

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By Washington Post editors  | October 12, 2010; 3:00 PM ET
 
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FIRST on the Optimism Bus!!!

Oh, by the way:

Redskins Insider Live = Bunch of NERDS!

Posted by: monk811 | October 12, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Lavar Arrington = Emmit Smith

Have you heard his radio show?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | October 12, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

FIRST on the Optimism Bus!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 12, 2010 3:18 PM

Optimism Bus should run right over LaVar.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 12, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Here's an outside perspective on the 'Skins' win on Sunday: http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/10/11/hidden-factors-keyed-redskins-win

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | October 12, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

WhitlockJason

Eddie George said refs quick to flag defense 4 hits on Manning/Brady/Favre and overlook hits on Young/McNabb/Vick..EG 100% accurate. about 4 hours ago via Echofon


Discuss.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 12, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I hope this week we see the one play that's been missing up til now:

the kneel down!

Optibus would be running on nitrous then, eh?

Posted by: stevek20147 | October 12, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm not watching this.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 12, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I hope this week we see the one play that's been missing up til now:

the kneel down!

Optibus would be running on nitrous then, eh?

Posted by: stevek20147 | October 12, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

If that happens ,The Optimism Bus becomes The Optimism Rocket Ship.

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 12, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Eddie George said refs quick to flag defense 4 hits on Manning/Brady/Favre and overlook hits on Young/McNabb/Vick..EG 100% accurate. about 4 hours ago via Echofon


Discuss.

Like everything else, blame Goodell. Curious though, does Eddie see this trend in black referees too, or just white ones?

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 12, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Eddie George said refs quick to flag defense 4 hits on Manning/Brady/Favre and overlook hits on Young/McNabb/Vick..EG 100% accurate. about 4 hours ago via Echofon


Discuss.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 12, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse
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Someone would have to do a statistical analysis of the rate of the referees' flagging of defenses for hits on quarterbacks in order to determine whether there's been a racial bias. I assume that's what Eddie George is getting at. Any speculation one way or another without data is utterly without foundation. Even then there are plenty of extraneous factors - for example, Brady/Manning/Favre are for the most part pocket passers, and obviously McNabb/Vick/Young are all runners - they may contribute to the rate of flags being thrown. What effect do those extraneous factors have and how do you account for them in the analysis? Don't know. Not sure whether there's anything to this or not, although it's an interesting question.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 12, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

What about hits they overlook on Aaron Rodgers?

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 12, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Those are fine because he looks like a terrorist.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 12, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Rodgers, Big Ben, Palmer, and Romo all get the crap kicked out of them and hardly ever draw penalties. I don't think McNabb gets hit harder than those guys.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

LH - McNabb has been getting a lot of late hit flags. Tell Whitlock it's too late to be Black again......Tell Whitlock pick a new topic....

Vick has only been around for 1 game and 2 halfs of 2 games. Not enough data to even include him.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Optibus


nice abbreviation

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

WhitlockJason

Eddie George said refs quick to flag defense 4 hits on Manning/Brady/Favre and overlook hits on Young/McNabb/Vick..EG 100% accurate. about 4 hours ago via Echofon


Discuss.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 12, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Jarmon gave Rogers a concussion with helmet to helmet contact, no call.

So, it's not JUST a race thing

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

LH, I'm with sf713 on this -- without any facts presented to back it up, this just sounds like Eddie George (a player I loved, to whatever extent that matters) speaking his opinion. If someone were to crunch numbers and prove it, that would be nice.

Hopefully Whitlock is dedicated enough to this important cause that he'll round up some analyst to do that. Because he's not the kind of writer who'd float an unsubstantiated opinion, let alone parrot someone else's.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Jarmon gave Rogers a concussion with helmet to helmet contact, no call.

So, it's not JUST a race thing

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 3:57 PM |

Actually he didn't give him a concussion with a helemt to helmet hit because he pulled up and barley hit him. If you watched the game you would have seen Rogers got the concussion earlier in the game and went back in. The Packers don't want people to know this so they say it was on the last play.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 12, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

If someone were to crunch numbers and prove it, that would be nice.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2010 3:59 PM

Brian "NERD" Burke is hot on the case!

Posted by: PlayAction | October 12, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

4th, this is Eddie George's opinion. Whitlock just agrees with it. Also, when is Whitlock not black? Because he calls some black people out for what he considers their bad behavior? He does the same thing Boondocks does but without the humor.

On the subject at hand, my immediate reaction was the same as skinsfan713's.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 12, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Whitlock is dedicated enough to this important cause that he'll round up some analyst to do that. Because he's not the kind of writer who'd float an unsubstantiated opinion, let alone parrot someone else's.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse
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Yeah, Whitlock's a bastion of journalistic integrity, for sure.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 12, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Just wondering about the normal list of activities going on with the Redskins not being reported and my wonder today is:

-Who is working out at Redskins park this week? Did any receivers, running backs or offensive tackles come to visit?

-Will Trent Williams and Jamal Brown be able to play this week? When they are hurt in practice I know Heyer fills in for one of them but who fills in for the other guy? Robinson or Capers? Or do they slide Hicks over like they did in the game and put Montgomery in there?

-How is the new running back on the practice squad - Quinn Porter - doing? I have this feeling that Chad Simpson will soon be leaving and this kid will be taking his place. I did note that Porter had kick returns on his resume...

-Where did Chris Horton go? Is he in danger of losing his job? I don't hear his name much when I hear about the defense.

-What does Haslett think about the play of Buchanan? Any thoughts on Barnes replacing him?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 12, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 12, 2010 4:01 PM

I agree with this too. He was concussed earlier in the game.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 12, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If Rodgers got concussed on that last play, then he could get one by getting hit in the head by a laminated play call sheet.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 12, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Was good to see CP26 on the sidelines Sunday... and frankly, was shocked to see him helping Torain and offering a bit of perspective on how he was seeing things. Even if he can't contribute directly, it would be nice to see Clinton continue to help coach up the younger players over the next few weeks.

But with that said, I don't think the team can afford to wait around for him to get healthy and back into playing shape. I also suspect the injury is worse than he is letting on -- and the team is only keeping him off the IR for sentimental reasons. While I am still not licensed to practice medicine on this blog, I suspect it will likely take much longer than the initial estimate of 4-6 weeks to recover -- and even longer to get back into playing shape.

While I appreciate Clinton's interest in individual records, exactly how long can the team afford to keep his roster spot open, especially when there is such a clear need to bring in another running back who is able to contribute now?

Posted by: Vic1 | October 12, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

...then he could get one by getting hit in the head by a laminated play call sheet.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 12, 2010 4:10 PM

Ouch..that just made me cringe...

Posted by: PlayAction | October 12, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

He's Black, but he's not 'Black'....We know the history...Doesn't respect me nor my culture...Closed minded to the fullest...And really says what's conveint at the time....go look back to the Vick comments pre-Vick starting and now....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Jarmon gave Rogers a concussion with helmet to helmet contact, no call.

So, it's not JUST a race thing

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 3:57 PM |

Actually he didn't give him a concussion with a helemt to helmet hit because he pulled up and barley hit him. If you watched the game you would have seen Rogers got the concussion earlier in the game and went back in. The Packers don't want people to know this so they say it was on the last play.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 12, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I did watch the game and Jarmon pulled his hands up and head butted Rogers, it was a good play only because it didn't get called. If u watched u would know what happened.

If that wasn't the play that caused the concussion fine, but helmet to helmet is illegal even if you "pull up". If u were a football fan u would know this

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Sorry...Whitlock gets the blood boiling...I retract all my comments...

As I have seen damn near all the snaps, it appears McNabb gets ample calls for late hits.

I don't understand why they would group the 2 groups they way the did....any help would be appreciated......

I think we all can agree Manning/Brady get more calls than any QB in the whole league...irregardless of player...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"Eddie George said refs quick to flag defense 4 hits on Manning/Brady/Favre and overlook hits on Young/McNabb/Vick..EG 100% accurate. about 4 hours ago via Echofon

Discuss.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 12, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse"

It's a running vs. non-running thing.

Rodgers, Big Ben, and Cutler get drilled all the time. They're mobile quarterbacks that look to shake off defenders and get positive yards or create time in the pocket. Defenders get leeway when pressuring mobile QBs.

Plus, I can think of a couple times this year where McNabb has received the superstar treatment with regards to flags. He's had a few late hits given to us and a missed intentional grounding, all of which I believe could've been (and would've been) let go if it were JC17 under center.

Posted by: psps23 | October 12, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Vic1, portis is always on the sidelines rooting when he's been injured, why are you surprised?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Defenders don't get leeway on mobile QBs...I've never seen that....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

If that happens ,The Optimism Bus becomes The Optimism Rocket Ship.

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 12, 2010 3:35 PM


The mothership.

Posted by: wireman65 | October 12, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Defenders don't get leeway on mobile QBs...I've never seen that....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 12, 2010 4:28 PM
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Actually, I think there is a little more leeway given to hits on mobile quarterbacks, but I think it is understandable. If a QB runs the football, at some point in the play he transitions to a running back and should be treated as one. If a QB like Aaron Rodgers runs a QB draw - which I think he did on Sunday, the defenders have to be able to hit him just like a running back or you are going to change the way the game is played. So, when a scrambler rolls out of the pocket, I think the same logic prevails. There is a threat he's going to run it, and the defender can't slow his pursuit because he's worried about crushing the daisy petals.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 12, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I certainly have...mobile QBs are able to pull the ball down and run with it much quicker, which means defenders aren't able to 'slow up' as easily while pursuing the QB. They want to protect the QB, but it would be unfair for a defender to slow up on a mobile QB because they see he's in a throwing motion, only to find him pump faking and taking off down the field. That's why those aforementioned QBs take more hits. And it's allowed.

Meanwhile, immobile QBs release the ball and defenders are flagged for breathing on them too hard after the ball is gone. Of course it helps to be a big-money superstar as well.

Posted by: psps23 | October 12, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

RSH

"Just wondering about the normal list of activities going on with the Redskins not being reported and my wonder today is.."


Let's add:

--is TAustin/BBanks getting any reps outside of being on the scout/return teams?

--whither Fred Davis in this offense?

--is McNabb healthy?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

RSH

"Just wondering about the normal list of activities going on with the Redskins not being reported and my wonder today is.."


Let's add:

--is TAustin/BBanks getting any reps outside of being on the scout/return teams?

--whither Fred Davis in this offense?

--is McNabb healthy?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Rodgers, Big Ben, Palmer, and Romo all get the crap kicked out of them and hardly ever draw penalties. I don't think McNabb gets hit harder than those guys.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 12, 2010 3:47 PM

But that's different. Rothlespelling and Romo deserve to have the crap kicked out of them. Also, Rodgers doesn't look like a terrorist. He looks French.

p.s. As of this past game, I don't think that McNabb is a mobile QB anymore.

Posted by: dcsween | October 12, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Jarmon gave Rogers a concussion with helmet to helmet contact, no call.

So, it's not JUST a race thing

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 3:57 PM |

Actually he didn't give him a concussion with a helemt to helmet hit because he pulled up and barley hit him. If you watched the game you would have seen Rogers got the concussion earlier in the game and went back in. The Packers don't want people to know this so they say it was on the last play.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 12, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I did watch the game and Jarmon pulled his hands up and head butted Rogers, it was a good play only because it didn't get called. If u watched u would know what happened.

If that wasn't the play that caused the concussion fine, but helmet to helmet is illegal even if you "pull up". If u were a football fan u would know this

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 4:20 PM

The only camera angle I recall seeing was from behind Rodgers. I don't think anyone tell from that angle whether Jarmon's helmet actually hit Rodgers' helmet.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Moe, McNabb is definitely not healthy.

As a result of the woeful hands of Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams, I fully intend to see more of Fred Davis this week.

Posted by: dcsween | October 12, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I know a guy from PSU who still talks to Arrington at least once a month. He says that Arrington is stoned literally all day every day these days.

This was merely a confirmation of what I already believed.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 12, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Also, Rodgers doesn't look like a terrorist. He looks French.

Posted by: dcsween | October 12, 2010 4:47 PM

Well hee only works three hours a week. Simple mistake.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 12, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Actually he didn't give him a concussion with a helemt to helmet hit because he pulled up and barley hit him. If you watched the game you would have seen Rogers got the concussion earlier in the game and went back in. The Packers don't want people to know this so they say it was on the last play.

Posted by: Flounder21
___________________________

Rich Campbell is on Twitter saying that Jarmon should have been flagged for helmet-to-helmet on last play. Sorry but I agree with you Flounder, not him. Looked at most to be a tap on the head. I suspect the concussion may have been on the Orakpo sack or some other earlier play and the Pack is trying to avoid having to answer for why it put Rogers back in the game with a concussion against NFL policy.

Posted by: manlius1 | October 12, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Fun question:
Who has the highest probability of "running" touchdown against the Colts?

1. D.Hall
2. D.McNabb
3. B.Banks

Posted by: abxinc | October 12, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Please make these videos stop.

Posted by: themantoyou | October 12, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Fun question:
Who has the highest probability of "running" touchdown against the Colts?

1. D.Hall
2. D.McNabb
3. B.Banks

Posted by: abxinc | October 12, 2010 5:08 PM

K. Lorenzo Alexander

That guy does it all. As undrafted free agents go, James Harrison has nothing on Zo.

Posted by: dcsween | October 12, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm waiting for them to get Lorenzo Alexander in the red zone offense to be the Skins' Vrabel.

Posted by: dcsween | October 12, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Actually he didn't give him a concussion with a helemt to helmet hit because he pulled up and barley hit him. If you watched the game you would have seen Rogers got the concussion earlier in the game and went back in. The Packers don't want people to know this so they say it was on the last play.

Posted by: Flounder21

I'm agreeing on this one -- though I don;t know when it happened. But it wasn't that last play. You can get the concussion from a helmet hit or a hard landing on the ground. On that play, I saw neither.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

The only camera angle I recall seeing was from behind Rodgers. I don't think anyone tell from that angle whether Jarmon's helmet actually hit Rodgers' helmet.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I could tell and have 20/30 vision, unless he had an invisible force field, it was helmet to helmet

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I could tell and have 20/30 vision, unless he had an invisible force field, it was helmet to helmet

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah right, you have a 4/12 vision

Posted by: skinswillwin | October 12, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I was not a fan of the Joey Galloway signing and am shocked he is a starter but....he is such an upgrade over ARE. ARE would consistently catch the ball 8 yards upfield wheras JG gets the first down needed. No not a long-term solution, and comparisons to ARE's tenure here are comparisons to a stiff at best. So he is much less of a stiff than ARE. And even the departed DT was a better returner.

Seriously, how many games did we lose last year when ARE did not quite get to the first yard marker and we had to punt late in the game? And where is MrIvin88?

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 12, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I went to a preseason Blazers game last night, and Marcus Camby -- who was in collidge waaaaay back when I was in collidge, by the way -- was all over the court making plays. It was absurd how much more energy and presence he had compared to everyone else out there. Blocks, steals, hustle plays at both ends. It put me in mind of that old saw "If you had a whole team of (insert name of the do-everything guy)s..."

And it made me think of our own Lorenzo Alexander. He's earned the kind of fan-love we reserve for dudes like vintage Mike Sellers... the kind of love we don't dole out for dudes like current Mike Sellers.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The only camera angle I recall seeing was from behind Rodgers. I don't think anyone tell from that angle whether Jarmon's helmet actually hit Rodgers' helmet.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I could tell and have 20/30 vision, unless he had an invisible force field, it was helmet to helmet

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 5:31 PM

Your tv must get better camera angles than mine. My guess is that you assumed there was helmet to helmet because it looked like it could have happened (and because for some odd reason you want the team to lose just so you can say that you were right about "new soup" and "zornahan"). I do plan to watch the replay of the game tonight to get another look at it.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of "New Soup," what the heck happened with the Chargers in Oakland? TWO drives for TDs by Campbell?!?!?! Rock Cartwright gets a safety?!?!

Its almost as if the Chargers were coached by ... oh, er ... never mind, just figured out what happened.

Posted by: dcsween | October 12, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"Rich Campbell is on Twitter saying that Jarmon should have been flagged for helmet-to-helmet on last play. " repost.

That's what I saw.

And, a helmet to helmet "tap" is a penalty too.

Refs shouldve cracked down on this inbore season it happens way way too much and doesn't make the game better, actually takes talent off the field, sometimes permanantly

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Your tv must get better camera angles than mine. My guess is that you assumed there was helmet to helmet because it looked like it could have happened (and because for some odd reason you want the team to lose just so you can say that you were right about "new soup" and "zornahan"). I do plan to watch the replay of the game tonight to get another look at it.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I think you've just made a wrong assumption because you don't like my opinions. I call it like I see it and that is what I saw and it was pretty clear. I assume that Jarmon isn't a tai chi master with an invisible chi field that made contact. I said it was a good play only becaus it didn't get flagged and I stand by that opinion, which borders fact, not assumption.

Watch it again without the kool aid colored lenses.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

He's earned the kind of fan-love we reserve for dudes like vintage Mike Sellers... the kind of love we don't dole out for dudes like current Mike Sellers.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 12, 2010 5:50 PM

This is because at RI you better have a good answer the the question "What have you done for us this week?"

Posted by: beep-beep | October 12, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Refs shouldve cracked down on this inbore season it happens way way too much and doesn't make the game better, actually takes talent off the field, sometimes permanantly

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 7:00 PM

To call this guy a wet blanket is to insult mildewed, filthy, sopping wet old army blankets balled up in gutters outside methadone clinics everywhere.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 12, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Refs shouldve cracked down on this inbore season it happens way way too much and doesn't make the game better, actually takes talent off the field, sometimes permanantly

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 7:00 PM

To call this guy a wet blanket is to insult mildewed, filthy, sopping wet old army blankets balled up in gutters outside methadone clinics everywhere.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 12, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

So you're in favor of using the helmet as a weapon and players getting concussions??

if so, you're a low life and shold stick to UFC

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of "New Soup," what the heck happened with the Chargers in Oakland? TWO drives for TDs by Campbell?!?!?! Rock Cartwright gets a safety?!?!

Its almost as if the Chargers were coached by ... oh, er ... never mind, just figured out what happened.

Posted by: dcsween | October 12, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Or as if, Campbell and Cartwright weren't the problem, maybe it was the O line?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Don't know how many of you have seen this, but it's funny/sad and sad/funny...worth a read.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/magazine/10/12/agent/index.html?eref=sihp

Posted by: Samson151 | October 12, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of "New Soup," what the heck happened with the Chargers in Oakland? TWO drives for TDs by Campbell?!?!?! Rock Cartwright gets a safety?!?!

Its almost as if the Chargers were coached by ... oh, er ... never mind, just figured out what happened.

Posted by: dcsween | October 12, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Or as if, Campbell and Cartwright weren't the problem, maybe it was the O line?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 7:52 PM
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Some guys just can't let it go, can they? I wonder why you're not griping about the secret conspiracy Joe Gibbs had to break Joe Theisman's leg, or how Marko Mitchell is really superman. I am happy Campbell got the win, but if Gradkowski is healthy next week I am pretty sure I know who will be starting for Oakland, and Rock Cartwright? The dude couldn't even win a job as a kick returner in Oakland, which was all he was good for in Washington. I have known some morons in my day, but you sir, couldn't carry their cletes off the field after the moron olympics. Go post on the "I love Jason Campbell" website and leave this blog alone. We would rather talk about the team that is winning and the players that are getting it done instead of a bunch of washed up has-beens that will be calling the UFL home next year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 12, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 12, 2010 8:09 PM

Pabrian is so obvious. He wants Oakland to win the super bowl and the skins to go 0-16 so he can say how right he was.

And by the way, that pass play to Moss, yea, old soup is either checking it down to the dirt or getting sacked there. That is all mcnabb. Campbell does not have that play in him.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Redskins #10 in NFL power rankings(just checked).

Redskins #1 for my money in kicking the ever-loving crap out of their opponents' key players all freaking year.

Beast!

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 12, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of "New Soup," what the heck happened with the Chargers in Oakland? TWO drives for TDs by Campbell?!?!?! Rock Cartwright gets a safety?!?!

Its almost as if the Chargers were coached by ... oh, er ... never mind, just figured out what happened.

Posted by: dcsween | October 12, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Or as if, Campbell and Cartwright weren't the problem, maybe it was the O line?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 7:52 PM
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Some guys just can't let it go, can they? I wonder why you're not griping about the secret conspiracy Joe Gibbs had to break Joe Theisman's leg, or how Marko Mitchell is really superman. I am happy Campbell got the win, but if Gradkowski is healthy next week I am pretty sure I know who will be starting for Oakland, and Rock Cartwright? The dude couldn't even win a job as a kick returner in Oakland, which was all he was good for in Washington. I have known some morons in my day, but you sir, couldn't carry their cletes off the field after the moron olympics. Go post on the "I love Jason Campbell" website and leave this blog alone. We would rather talk about the team that is winning and the players that are getting it done instead of a bunch of washed up has-beens that will be calling the UFL home next year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 12, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Gradkowski came back in after being hurt, got booed off, and Campbell lit it up. I'll never stop, NEVER. I'm just here to pisoff haters and it's working sooooo good I can't stop

byahhhhh!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

New Soup = Chunky(R) Brunell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 12, 2010 8:09 PM

Pabrian is so obvious. He wants Oakland to win the super bowl and the skins to go 0-16 so he can say how right he was.

And by the way, that pass play to Moss, yea, old soup is either checking it down to the dirt or getting sacked there. That is all mcnabb. Campbell does not have that play in him.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Instead of fixing the O line, we made a big splash and got chunky(R) Brunell.

I would love Zorn-a-han to prove me wrong and go somewhere, but QB is the only position he upgraded and mcNabb is getting hammered and lookin hobbled towards the end of every game.

As a business man McNabb would be smarter to test the free agent market vs. signing long term with the Skins, UNLESS, we offer him a ridiculously large contract.

Haynesworth not a starter Lichtensteiger IS - not going to blindly trust this coach

"let's not start s cking each other's d cks just yet" pulp fiction

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Gradkowski came back in after being hurt, got booed off, and Campbell lit it up. I'll never stop, NEVER. I'm just here to pisoff haters and it's working sooooo good I can't stop

byahhhhh!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 8:30 PM

When you take off your "soup" colored glasses you will see that Campbell "lit it up" for 159 yds and 1 TD over 3 quarters not just a half as you said earlier. That's about standard numbers for Campbell. 159 over three quarters is about 210 yds for the game. Oh and by the way, he also had a fumble that Oakland recovered.

I wish Campbell nothing but the best, but to suggest we would be a better team with him instead of McNabb is just plain nuts.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE stop talking to this slobbering moron peabrain so he will just go away!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Instead of fixing the O line, we made a big splash and got chunky(R) Brunell.

I would love Zorn-a-han to prove me wrong and go somewhere, but QB is the only position he upgraded and mcNabb is getting hammered and lookin hobbled towards the end of every game.

As a business man McNabb would be smarter to test the free agent market vs. signing long term with the Skins, UNLESS, we offer him a ridiculously large contract.

Haynesworth not a starter Lichtensteiger IS - not going to blindly trust this coach

"let's not start s cking each other's d cks just yet" pulp fiction

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 8:38 PM

We drafted OL with our first pick. We signed a former pro bowler in Jamal Brown. What other available lineman should we have signed? Please, enlighten me. Let me know what else could have been done to fix the Oline?

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE stop talking to this slobbering moron peabrain so he will just go away!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2010 8:54 PM

I can't help myself. Rogers just dropped another pick.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE stop talking to this slobbering moron peabrain so he will just go away!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2010 8:54 PM

I can't help myself. Rogers just dropped another pick.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 9:04 PM

I had that problem myself. It's wierd how people like him, perineum, and sports_guru just keep you fighting with their insanely uninformed and incoherent rambling. Trust me though, it's strangley liberating to break the habit.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Upon further review, Jarmon definitely hit Rodgers helmet. It was barely a scrape, but I have seen less flagged. The good news is that they did not throw the flag.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Hate to jump into a fray involving pabrian2003, but I have replayed that play several times and imHo Rodgers definitely hit Jarmon right in the face mask with his helment trying to draw a flag.


just my .02...

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 12, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I just watched the ball hit Carlos Rogers right between the 2's again on nfl replay and have resigned myself to the fact that he will probably do this once a game. I count 4 should-have-been interceptions already this year and at this point, it's beyond frustrating and into the realm of hilarious....as long as we WIN!

Posted by: aaronharman | October 12, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I just watched the ball hit Carlos Rogers right between the 2's again on nfl replay and have resigned myself to the fact that he will probably do this once a game. I count 4 should-have-been interceptions already this year and at this point, it's beyond frustrating and into the realm of hilarious....as long as we WIN!

Posted by: aaronharman | October 12, 2010 9:27 PM

Better to hit him in the numbers than the receiver...see? Glass half full.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

indeed, scamp. I'm going out on a limb this week and saying Rogers has interception #2 this week against Patye-Pie. How awesome would that be? Ahh, this kool-aid is delicious, tastes like Glenfiddich.

Posted by: aaronharman | October 12, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"McNabb is definitely not healthy."


I hate to go there, but D McNabb is living down to two 'issues' AReid had with him:

--occasional bouts of inaccurate passing

--injuries

With no running game to fall back on, McNabb gets no 'break.'

We have to hope that until a rushing game develops, McNabb gets into a groove where his tight ends--Davis/Cooley--continue to be his best friends.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 12, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

indeed, scamp. I'm going out on a limb this week and saying Rogers has interception #2 this week against Patye-Pie. How awesome would that be? Ahh, this kool-aid is delicious, tastes like Glenfiddich.

Posted by: aaronharman | October 12, 2010 9:35 PM |

Good stuff their. Try some Glen Scotia if you can ever find it. Probably have to try to find it online. I only found it in Scotland. It's the best single malt I've ever had.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vic1 | October 12, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Thoughtful post, I agree it was good to see Portis giving Torrain his .02 on the sidelines.

As for CP's injury, I tried to tell y'all that non-operative is the way to go but I thought it would take longer than 4-6 weeks to come back.

I was half right.

According to a survey by The American Journal of Sports Medicine, 19 NFL players had CP's injury from 1992-2004; 14 went non-surgical, 5 went with surgery. Mean recovery for non-surgical was…….6 weeks. Surgery? Try twice that.

"Conclusion: Nonoperative treatment of proximal adductor tendon rupture results in a statistically significantly faster return to play than does operative treatment in athletes competing in the National Football League and avoids the risks associated with surgery while providing an equal likelihood of return to play at the professional level."

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/37/7/1394.abstract

So they (Shanny) are trying to let him heal on his own to avoid IR, but they're not keeping him around for sentimental reasons, he could conceivably contribute this year.

Booya.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 12, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

hell must have froze over today because I swear I just saw that B.Lloyd leads the NFL in RCV yds.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | October 12, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

noone, I thought it might be Christmas. I just watched the skins beat GB, and now I'm watching Dallas lose to the Titans. So awesome.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 12, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

noone, I thought it might be Christmas. I just watched the skins beat GB, and now I'm watching Dallas lose to the Titans. So awesome.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 12, 2010 9:51 PM

Not quite Christmas yet. That comes when we whack Dallas at their house.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Tampa, I believe you mean Receiver, The.

Posted by: aaronharman | October 12, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Tampa, I believe you mean Receiver, The.

Posted by: aaronharman | October 12, 2010 10:09 PM |

Bloyd is also acceptable.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

hell must have froze over today because I swear I just saw that B.Lloyd leads the NFL in RCV yds.

Posted by: noonefromtampa

I hope he breaks his leg next week the same way theisman did.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | October 12, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Blog broke?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

So you're in favor of using the helmet as a weapon and players getting concussions??

if so, you're a low life and shold stick to UFC

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

No, i think he is in favor of you suffering a permanent brain injury that would prevent you from any further drooling all over the blog.

I am compelled to agree with him.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 12, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I repeat:

PLEASE stop talking to this slobbering moron peabrain so he will just go away!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2010 8:54 PM |

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I just watched the ball hit Carlos Rogers right between the 2's again on nfl replay and have resigned myself to the fact that he will probably do this once a game. I count 4 should-have-been interceptions already this year and at this point, it's beyond frustrating and into the realm of hilarious....as long as we WIN!

Posted by: aaronharman | October 12, 2010 9:27 PM

Better to hit him in the numbers than the receiver...see? Glass half full.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

A dropped interception is a pass defensed

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Upon further review, Jarmon definitely hit Rodgers helmet. It was barely a scrape, but I have seen less flagged. The good news is that they did not throw the flag.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | October 12, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse


yeah, so, did you buy a new TV with the different angles like the one I have or just wear your normal glasses or were you sober, welcome to reality, for which I am hated

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I repeat:

PLEASE stop talking to this slobbering moron peabrain so he will just go away!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2010 8:54 PM |


Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 12, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

cosign, just let me make my comments and leave me alone you kool aid-dicts

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 12, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Two entities with the most to gain from agent gate:

Favre and Wrangler

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 13, 2010 4:35 AM | Report abuse

peabrain needs to leave this "helmet-to-helmet" stuff alone...if a guy gets a concussion from that hit, he shouldn't be playing football. Plus it would have been such a ticky-tack call in any point of the game, let alone in overtime with the game on the line. That's like calling a touch-foul on the last shot of an NBA game...never happens and it shouldn't.

Regardless...the game has been over for 3 days now and the refs missed it. So move on. We've been killed with stupid calls like that more times than I care to recount and I'm just happy to see us on the good side of a play like that for a change.

But then again, I'm still a Redskins fan...apparently, you're not.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 13, 2010 5:17 AM | Report abuse

Keim's Studs and Duds:

SS LaRon Landry. If there was a vote for defensive player of the year after five games, he’d receive many. Not sure if another player has had a bigger impact this season; certainly nobody on the Redskins is playing more consistent. That said, Landry did miss a couple tackles. There; that’s to keep his head from getting swelled. But, man, I love watching the guy play because of how active he is. One time, he came on a delayed rush and stood behind the line almost shadowing Aaron Rodgers. As Rodgers left the pocket, Landry pounced and drilled him as he threw a pass. Of course, there’s also the big plays: the forced fumble on a jarring hit. And the interception was a result, in part, because of his improved recognition. He knew what the route would be based on the look; not sure that would have been the case in the past. Though Jeremy Jarmon’s pressure caused an errant toss; Landry was in perfect position.

LB Brian Orakpo. Green Bay RT Bryan Bulaga did a decent job on him at times during the game. But Orakpo drew his usual holding penalty, got a sack, had two tackles for a loss and his presence caused Bulaga to hesitate on one blitz, allowing Lorenzo Alexander to burst inside for a sack. On that play, Alexander lined up next to him on the left side. Bulaga expected Orakpo to rush, only to watch Orakpo drop into coverage. He couldn’t react to Alexander. Orakpo is the guy they haven’t had in the past, someone whose speed makes a difference at the end of games.

P Hunter Smith. Think he had a fresh leg? About the only thing I can quibble with is that he outkicked his coverage on the 52-yarder, leading to a 52-yard return. But is that his fault? Someone got out of their lane; don’t know who it was so I won’t even speculate (though I have an idea). Still, Smith dropped five punts inside the 20-yard line. He forced the Packers to consistently go on long drives. And even with those punts inside the 20, he still averaged 44.6 yards per punt. Welcome back. And, best of all, no fakes!

QB Donovan McNabb. He wasn’t good for the first three quarters, partly because Clay Matthews always happened to be in his face. Or so it seemed. But, with Matthews out and the rush subdued a little, McNabb went to work. His two biggest passes of the game – to Anthony Armstrong (48 yards) and Santana Moss (52 yards) came when he avoided the rush. McNabb is always looking downfield. He also doesn’t get bothered when he’s having a tough day; it’s why he can get hot. The Redskins had no running game; porous line play and the guy still threw for 357 yards.

WR Anthony Armstrong. All he did is burn the safety with a double move and then make a highlight catch that started the turnaround. He did nothing for the first three quarters, then caught the touchdown pass, a 23-yarder and then a 13-yarder off a tipped pass. He adjusts well to balls, more than Joey Galloway does at this stage of his career.

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Posted by: brownwood26 | October 13, 2010 5:27 AM | Report abuse

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PR Brandon Banks. The guy has one job and he’s doing it well. Thing about Banks, too, is that his returns not only ignited the rally but they also helped Washington escape potential bad field position. His two long punts occurred when he fielded the ball either at or inside the 10-yard line. If Phillip Buchanon had done the same, the Redskins would have started at those spots or a couple yards further. Because of Banks, the Redskins started at the 40 and 25, respectively. Gave them a chance to operate. I like how they use him on the edge to help block field goals.

LB Lorenzo Alexander. He finished with a half-sack on a well-designed rush -- he caught the right tackle eyeing Brian Orakpo for a second, only to have Orakpo drop. Alexander burst through for a clear path to Aaron Rodgers. But Alexander's ability to cover on the fourth-and-goal situation was pivotal. He was beaten a bit off the line but recovered (in part because of Chris Wilson's pressure).

DL Phillip Daniels. He was good in his limited time and seems to have gotten stronger even since last year. Really, he's pushing guys back more often this year than in the past few. He did it again inside the 5, leading to a tackle for a loss. He also had a sack and another tackle for a loss. It's all about power for him, but he uses it well because he plays with excellent leverage.

DC Jim Haslett. It’s as if his defense has a boom or bust mentality; often in the same drive. But, really, it’s bend but don’t break. After the first quarter, the Redskins defense was excellent. He used more dime coverages in the second half in situations that, in the first half, he used nickel. Having Reed Doughty instead of another linebacker or linemen enabled them to play with more speed. It worked. I loved the coordination of the blitzes and stunts; it led to pressure and sacks in the second half. Haslett has a lot of versatility at linebacker and the more his guys play, the more he should know how he can use them. His schemes also took away Rodgers' first read in the second half a lot more.

CB Carlos Rogers. I know there were some soft spots in the zone, but it typically wasn’t in his area. Rogers dropped another interception, though on this one it came because the ball arrived just after he had turned around. He has a hard enough time catching passes when he’s been turned around for 10 seconds let alone one. But he was in great position. And his ability to blitz was crucial as he came a few times and willingly took himself out to create lanes for others (London Fletcher recorded a sack because of it). Saw a few times when Rodgers looked his way for a first read only to quickly look elsewhere.

WR Santana Moss. Caught seven passes for 118 yards; Adjusted well to McNabb's scramble in the second quarter and that led to a 52-yard completion. Moss is off to the second best start in his career (first was 2005--33 passes in the first five games). Moss' route-running was excellent.

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Posted by: brownwood26 | October 13, 2010 5:32 AM | Report abuse

Continued...

Duds

RG Artis Hicks. One week after having a good first half vs. Philly, Hicks really struggled. Saw his weakness from this summer flare up: he would get too upright. For a guard, that’s tough. Another time his head was down when he engaged in a block and that’s another no-no. Funny thing is, he looked comfortable at center; he bends well enough to handle the outside rushers. Green Bay’s linebackers were a bit too athletic for him to reach on cutbacks, too.

RT Jammal Brown. Maybe it was the injury and it most definitely had something to do with the player he was facing most of the game (Clay Matthews III). But Brown was just not very good. It was a bad matchup; Brown did not bend well and Matthews gets unbelievably low. One time his helmet was about at Brown’s chest. Brown was knocked back on the first play of the game and, on the second, his head was down when he blocked. No-no. Nobody got more marks in the bad play category than Brown. To be honest, I'm concerned about him going forward, even if he is able to play this week. He seems banged up and inconsistent.

LG Kory Lichtensteiger. For the first three quarters he was not as bad as everyone thinks. Or, at least, he wasn’t the biggest problem. There were many times when I saw others breaking down, but the ‘Steiger was handling his business. But his breakdowns are too frequent and come at costly times. In the fourth quarter and overtime, Lichtensteiger first allowed a pressure, then was driven back, driven back again, was driven back a third time, allowed a sack when he missed a blitz – twice he couldn’t get over in time – and then he was badly beaten on another run, leading to a loss.

LS Nick Sundberg. He didn’t have any that led to problems, but he can thank Hunter Smith for that. There was one snap in which Smith bobbled on a field goal, but Sundberg had a couple bad snaps on punts. Though none have gone awry yet this season, he was inconsistent and that needs to be corrected. Otherwise …

FS Kareem Moore. Listen, the long run by Brandon Jackson was not his fault alone. Before a running back gets to the safety someone else has to mess up and it appeared linebacker Rocky McIntosh did not fill the right gap. Not positive about that; but that’s how it appeared. Anyway, Moore’s job is to prevent the long gainer and he took a bad angle to the ball, got turned to his right by a fake and watched Jackson blow past him. Later, he took a bad angle on a diving catch by Donald Driver. Moore rounded off his path and that’s never a good thing. Driver bounced up and ran past him for another 13 yards. Moore recovered a fumble off a Landry hit, but he’s a bit rusty on his angles.

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CB DeAngelo Hall. Just hasn't looked the same the past two weeks for whatever reason. He did make 12 tackles, but that's never a good sign for a corner. He also seemed to allow too much cushion on some plays, but I'm still not sure if that's what they wanted or if he was so intent on not getting beat deep that he was willing to give up the underneath stuff. He also missed a tackle on Brendan Jackson's long run, requiring him to chase him down about 60 yards later.

Suds

LB Rocky McIntosh. I’ll put him here because I’m not sure I’m blaming the right guy; but on the long run by Brandon Jackson it looked like he got stuck behind the linemen and either couldn’t see the back; or he simply hit the wrong gap and failed to realize that LaRon Landry had the outside contained. If I knew for sure, I’d put him in a different category. And there’s always the chance I’m wrong so he stays here. But, regardless, one of the linebackers should have been in the hole. But he also made a nice stick at the goal-line in conjunction with London Fletcher.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 13, 2010 5:36 AM | Report abuse

Is this thing on?

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 13, 2010 6:38 AM | Report abuse

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