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Redskins Lay Off at Least 20

Jason La Canfora reports:

The Redskins laid off at least 20 employees at Redskins Park this week and an undetermined number at FedEx Field, according to several sources with knowledge of the situation.

No coaches, trainers or scouts were let go. Cuts included at least one team vice president and members of the legal, marketing, information technology, public relations, cheerleading, game-day operations and Redskins Television staffs, according to several of the outgoing employees. Two members of the football operations staff were let go, sources said.

The Redskins declined to comment. The team's media guide lists 143 positions in the section devoted to non-football staff.

Several of those laid off Wednesday said Chief Operating Officer Mitch Gershman told them the team was shedding about 30 employees because of financial difficulties caused by the national economic downturn and a decrease in the team's revenue.

"Mitch said that the revenue from tickets and season tickets was not where it needs to be," said one employee who was let go Wednesday. "It's going to be really tough for the people who are still there because we were all already wearing two to three hats. Now, they're all going to be wearing four to six hats, and the compensation is not changing. I guess that's typical when businesses do this kind of thing, but that doesn't make it any easier."

As a condition of their benefits and severance packages, outgoing employees must sign a confidentiality agreement, which precludes them from speaking publicly about the organization or the conditions of their departure. Several did speak on the condition of anonymity, however.

"It was very sad," one of the departing employees said. "We were all just sitting there waiting to see who was next. There were a lot of tears shed."

Several of the longest-serving members of the organization, including some who worked for owner Daniel Snyder previously at Snyder Communications, were among those let go.

John Jefferson, a former star receiver who served for nine years as director of player development, was told Wednesday, sources said. Jefferson, whose role was to counsel players, help integrate youngsters into their new lifestyle and help departing players transition into new careers, began contacting players Wednesday night, telling several he intended to pursue a career in real estate. The Redskins also released Jimmy Halsell, who spent the past two years as a salary cap analyst, from their football operations staff.

Most of the employees were let go Wednesday afternoon at Redskins Park, then a contingent of team officials and human relations personnel headed for FedEx Field to continue the process there, team sources said. It could not be determined how many employees were laid off at the stadium.

By Cindy Boren  |  January 8, 2009; 7:28 PM ET
 
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Posted by: John_Keats | January 8, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

It must really eat at Danny that he missed his opportunity to do this on Christmas Eve. I'd also like to echo 4th's comment from the other day that this is complete BS. The team is taking advantage of the headlines to cut cost for the sake of it. They're in no real financial distress.

Posted by: mack1 | January 8, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

They are in zero financial distress.

In fact, the only distress that should be discussed is that which VinnieDanny causes to the Redskins Nation by delivering inferior product while charging ludicrous prices.

SJKholes.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 8, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I know the article is almost a month old, but I hadn't seen it before today. Pete Prisco says that Carlos Rogers deserves to go to the Pro-Bowl.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/11176019

Posted by: kost52 | January 8, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

"Cuts included at least one team vice president..."

Oh please, oh please let it be Vinny!

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 8, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

This is typical of this organization,

They throw millions out the window on bad talent.

But then worry about, who has the key to the coke machine.

Posted by: dashriprock | January 8, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Monkey see, monkey do. Too bad they can't apply that to free agents, and the draft.

Posted by: coastallp74 | January 8, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

It would really be hilarious if the team was really in financial distress. Finally show Danny that we are displeased with the 2nd rate crap we are being served in the only way that he understands. Having said that I don't buy it. Danny is just hedging his bets. I do have a hard time believing he enjoys it though. He has shown signs of being very compassionate at times.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 8, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Leaving the Redskins to go into real estate now? That makes me scratch my head.

Posted by: charley42 | January 8, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Financial bail-outs for the gross, almost patrician roman in gluttony, rich and tears, gnashing teeth for the poor.

Snidely Owl, snidely owl, Rockville looks askance at its wayward son.

Posted by: periculum | January 8, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Anybody here seen my old friend Danny, can you tell me where he's gone? He's gone to the bank to count all his money making sure that the Maddoff schemes didn't take it all.

Posted by: periculum | January 8, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Leaving the Redskins to go into real estate now? That makes me scratch my head.

Posted by: charley42 | January 8, 2009 8:26 PM |

Good point. Maybe he should be leaving.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 8, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

John Jefferson used to be a Charjah. Not a Redskin. You must be thinking of Roy?

"Leaving the Redskins to go into real estate now? That makes me scratch my head."

Posted by: periculum | January 8, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is "hedging their bets" even if they aren't in trouble. Today seems to be "boxing day" for that sort of thing ... hmmm ...

sickening green Thursday ...

Posted by: periculum | January 8, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Snyder should stop worrying about lining Tom Cruise's pockets and start taking care of the people in his own damn organization.

Not to mention, of course, the millions of dollars he threw at turds like Brandon Lloyd.

This really makes me sick.

Posted by: lizae | January 8, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is "hedging their bets" even if they aren't in trouble. Today seems to be "boxing day" for that sort of thing ... hmmm ...

sickening green Thursday ...

Posted by: periculum | January 8, 2009 8:37 PM |

My thoughts exactly.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 8, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

20 outta 143 is serious numbers. But the idea that "the revenue from tickets and season tickets was not where it needs to be" ... hmmm, I thought everything was sold out and there was a huge waiting list.

I've said it before and it pure speculation on my part, but its possible Danny isn't nearly as financially healthy as he was a year or two ago.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 8, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

First the salary freeze, then the initial lay-offs. Then more lay-offs. Production shut-downs. Factory closings. Bankruptcies. Google server farm becomes an empty warehouse full of space heaters.

If the financial stimulus doesn't work, and only succeeds in lining rich gluttons like Halburton's pockets like Iraq did, then we are in deep, deep trouble.

Posted by: periculum | January 8, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Snyder,
I have an idea that could save the Redskins! Fire you girlfriend Vinnie, who doesn't know the first thing about talent and hire back the 30 or so folks who REALLY care about the 'Skins. My 10 year old learning disabled son could pick out talent better than Vinnie in the draft. A dart board could. I am so, so sick of paying terrible ticket prices, parking, and ridiculous prices for a d@mn beer to watch Vinnie's losing teams. That's right Vinnie's. Fire that lame, no talent employee and re-hire ones who really care. They probably weren't paid cr@p anyway. One season Crion.. I mean Deion would have paid the salaries for the career of those laid off employees.

Mr. Snyder... I just might have to become a Ravens fan... At least their teams win!

Posted by: lifelongfan1 | January 8, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd prefer that he just lose any ability to communicate other than to write checks and fire Vinny.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 8, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

"'Mitch said that the revenue from tickets and season tickets was not where it needs to be,' said one employee who was let go Wednesday."

But but but -- they sell out every game, right? They've got a waiting list that is a brazillion names deep, right? It can't possibly be that Snyder and Cerrato have alienated one of the deepest fan bases in all of football, and can't fill their stadium, can it? Say it ain't so, Joe! Say it ain't so!

Jasno, if there is a single investigative reporter left at this paper who actually works for a living -- you know, like the one who unearthed Deep Throat, rather than watched the movie on cable and then blogged about it -- he or she needs to get to the bottom of whether the Redskins are really still selling out games, or whether the final mark of Snyder driving this franchise into the ground (destroying the waiting list we've had for 40+ years) is upon us. That's news.

Posted by: wahoo2x | January 8, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Oprah may be coming to celebrate and congratulate her fearless candidate ... perhaps she should be sending condolence because the task is monumental and not something anyone would wish on someone.

Posted by: periculum | January 8, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Felt said, "Follow the money."

Follow it straight to Maddoff.


"the Redskins are really still selling out games, or whether the final mark of Snyder driving this franchise into the ground (destroying the waiting list we've had for 40+ years) is upon us. That's news."

Posted by: periculum | January 8, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

wait... why doesn't the Redskins try and follow the lead of our politicians?

Shouldn't we be spending our way out of this?

or

Shouldn't we raise prices of everything so that we can make more money?

oh wait that doesn't work in the real world? hmm....

Posted by: trolly_time | January 8, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

There's several hundred million or so that went into building a stadium for the Ravens, AND the 20 million "moving expenses" check that the gov'rnor of Ballimer paid Modell. NO F--ING way, that's lottery money that could have gone into schools, to buy paper, books ...

WORST ARE the F--ing Ravens, nee' Cleveland Browns of Art Modell.


"Mr. Snyder... I just might have to become a Ravens fan... At least their teams win!"

Posted by: periculum | January 8, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, layoffs are happening everywhere. Even the NFL League office laid off 150 employees last month.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 8, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I like that article kost. All the more reason to keep Rogers long-term. The people that pay attention know Rogers is legit.

Posted by: psps23 | January 8, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

tisk tisk...Lisa, come on... giving perspective on something that would cause us to look at Dan Snyder as a business person operating in a struggling economy and not something we can blame every single thing on (and how can we forget the time Vinny let go Torrence...)? that is uncalled for on this blog...

Posted by: trolly_time | January 8, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

It must really eat at Danny that he missed his opportunity to do this on Christmas Eve.

Posted by: mack1 | January 8, 2009 7:41 PM

Probably he -- like most people -- thought it was the wrong thing to do during the holidays. The fact that he waited til now would seem to indicate that he didnt want to lay them off before Christmas. Not many would think it was an "opportunity" to lay someone off on Christmas Eve. I don't think many people enjoy laying their employess off at any other time of the year.

"The revenue from tickets and season tickets was not where it needs to be."

Most people on this board had been hoping that the revenues would decline and now that we are getting solid evidence that they have dropped, people seem upset by that, too.

Do you honestly believe that a football team is exempt from a recession? Tickets, jerseys, hats and license plate holders are about the opposites of "necessities."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 8, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

dumbest post ever above me

The only reason idiot Snyder had to cut anyone was because he constantly screws up and overpays for bad talent and talent_evaluators -> i.e. Vinny.

Hmm..maybe YOU are vinny!

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 8, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

and staying medium... obviously

Posted by: trolly_time | January 8, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

or was I supposed to stay emotionally outraged and not look to reason, perspective or outside sources?

Posted by: trolly_time | January 8, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

trolly_time == Danny's lonely pine.

Posted by: periculum | January 8, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

True enough TE, still given the strength of the Redskins fan support through years, even during recessions and a depression. One would think there would be enough resiliency for Snidely Owl to freeze salaries or perhaps cut some of the higher paid types from some of the luxury benefits, etc. As opposed to outright lay-offs. Dontcha think?

"Do you honestly believe that a football team is exempt from a recession? Tickets, jerseys, hats and license plate holders are about the opposites of 'necessities.'"

Posted by: periculum | January 8, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't think he's the combination of hitler or scrooge.

perspective, that's all i'm saying...
-----------------------------------------------
O.K. I will meet you halfway. Dannyboy is neither the first AWOL cokehead, nor Dick Cheney.

But Danny still sux, and this move is just more evidence of same.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 8, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

you might have a point if i said something about spurrier being a great move or jeff george being a great signing or lloyd, or deion, or maybe bruce smith or archdeluxe or dana stubblefield or david patten, or letting marty go... but those were all awful moves I think are undisputed...

Posted by: trolly_time | January 8, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

wait, which drug using war ducking president are you referring to? not the one that went to canada right? or the one that was in the national guard?

Posted by: trolly_time | January 8, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

One would think there would be enough resiliency for Snidely Owl to freeze salaries or perhaps cut some of the higher paid types from some of the luxury benefits, etc. As opposed to outright lay-offs. Dontcha think?

Posted by: periculum | January 8, 2009 9:38 PM

Its a privately and closely held business, so we have no idea what revenues and costs look like and what other austerity measures they might be taking. Its likely that salaries are being frozen and benefits tightened as well as the layoffs.

Theres a lot of Snyder hate up here, and youre one of the leaders. The haters see evil in everything he does, ignore his acts of kindness and generosity.

Ive never bought into it, myself, and Im inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. The recession is real, severe, and likely to be prolonged and everyone -- including the Redskins -- has to take austerity measures. Theres not a lot they can do about players salaries because they have contractual obligations. But I saw the hiring of Zorn -- at a very low salary -- and the trading out of the first round as early austerity measures. I expect well see more.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 8, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't think they're exempt TE, I'm sure they're making less profit. But they're still making a profit. A massive one. So is the NFL. They're laying off people because they can. It's an employer's job market: layoff a bunch and make the others work twice as hard. But feel free to save your sympathy for the guy who's doing the firing. He's a real sport for doing it after Christmas. Unless you bought your daughter a pony and chucked the receipt.

Posted by: mack1 | January 8, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

"...Jefferson, whose role was to counsel players, help integrate youngsters into their new lifestyle and help departing players transition into new careers, began contacting players Wednesday night, telling several he intended to pursue a career in real estate..."

Yeah, um, I don't know if you heard... but, the real estate market isn't doing too well now.

Posted by: Peaux_Sucent | January 8, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

mack1, it's definitely NOT a pony buying market right now...

Posted by: trolly_time | January 8, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

But feel free to save your sympathy for the guy who's doing the firing. He's a real sport for doing it after Christmas. Unless you bought your daughter a pony and chucked the receipt.

Posted by: mack1 | January 8, 2009 10:02 PM |

I didn't notice any sympathy for him, more like statements of opinion.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 8, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

First impressions from the title game on a few of the Oklahoma players who are rated high.

Gerals McCoy DT Okla - He's been really strong against the run. One play he blew up a toss to running back by getting such a quick jump the pulling guard barly touched him. He's been doubled team on nearly every pass play unless he's dropped off the line in coverage. He looks as good as advertised.

Duke Robinson G Okla - He is killing the Fla DT when they run the ball. He's creating massive holes. He has gotten pushed back a few times and has a holding penalty because he lost leverage. He'll need work on his pass sets, but damn he's a good run blocker.

Phil Loadholt LT Okla - Best surprise of the nigth. He's been sold in pass pro. He's a little slow to set for the speed rush, but once he get's his hand on the DE, the DE hasn't been able to counter. His run blocking has been spectaculr. He's been kicking out or sealing the edge like cray. In my mind, he' better than I thought he would be.

Posted by: TWISI | January 8, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Joys,


I guess with Six Flags stock not worth the paper its printed on, Valkyrie with Tom Cruise getting destroyed, and owning every mom & pop AM station in the area, Danny had to lay some secretaries and accountants off to make him feel better.

Little man, how about selling your multi-million dollar jet? Karma is a mf-er...just saying. Too bad My Cousin Vinny wasn't included.

FYI, all these people could have been saved if the 'Skins cut Portis. 30 employees, or a washed up, T.O. wannabe?
You don't think the administrative assistant who brought Little Napoleon his coffee and had to clean Vinny's diapers worked hard and played hurt? Think again.

Posted by: duh2mag | January 8, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah,


Talent Evaluator and the other apologists, I saw this online,

"The NFL and its television partners agreed to a contract extentions in 2006. Contracts with CBS and FOX will run through the 2011 season, the ESPN contract runs through 2014, and the NBC contract runs through 2012. On average, CBS will pay the NFL $622.5 million annually for AFC broadcasting rights, FOX will pay $712.5 million annually for NFC broadcasting rights, NBC will pay $650 million annually for Sunday Night Football, and ESPN will pay $1.1 billion annually for Monday Night Football."

Please don't lump the Redskins or the NFL with the factory worker who now has $200.00 unemployment checks and cannot feed his kids. Television deals cannot be taken back; that said, the 'Skins are no different than a bank. Too bad Madoff didn't get Danny Boy. I'd piss in his pot.

Posted by: duh2mag | January 9, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

++++Most people on this board had been hoping that the revenues would decline and now that we are getting solid evidence that they have dropped, people seem upset by that, too.+++

Posted by: talent_evaluator +++


A shred of evidence, Give us one freaking shred of evidence. Now go ahead and attacks RI for lack of sources...

Posted by: TheCork | January 9, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

i want to rub mr. daniel snyder with a bar of soap until i work up a nice sudsy lather and then i'll feed him pork rinds and rinse his hair and tell him oh sir oh sir you suuuuuuuure are handsome. xoxoxox

Posted by: talent_evaluator

p.s. i think we should empty the homeless shelters and mental hospitals and use that public money to help mr. daniel snyder wax his back.

Posted by: Digger2 | January 9, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

When a recession hits, it gives rich people all the excuses in the world to start claiming it's a recession and payroll needs to be reduced.

This is a prime example........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2009 6:49 PM

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 9, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

I think I read on the original story that one of the execs let go was a salary cap analyst.

Isn't this the time we would need him/her the most? Yikes!
I guess Vinny takes over that department too.

Posted by: Predator48 | January 9, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 9, 2009 1:34 AM | Report abuse

are you guys really serious? the economic climate is going to hit people like snyder WAY harder than it hit y'all. suddenly the redskins aren't an actual business? you guys can't be serious that snyder is a bad person for laying people off and everyone else isn't. if it was worth it to hire them in the first place, then - and this is just blatant rationality - it's hurting him to lay them off. this ain't a scrooge thing; this is a it's-better-for-the-redskins-as-an-organization thing. which will keep prices down - at least marginally - for you. so wah-wah we all hate danny; but eventually, you're gonna have to see the bigger picture.

Posted by: jaycane40oz | January 9, 2009 1:43 AM | Report abuse

whats a bit unsettling about the layoffs is that these 20 or so people probably averaged around $100k or so, per year. That's $2million total.

The Skins apparently employ around 200 people (143 plus player & coaches). The player payroll alone is over $110million.

So Danny gets rid of 10% of the staff, but less than 2% of the payroll.

Looks like a lot of working class people got hit by the unwise contracts.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 9, 2009 3:30 AM | Report abuse

Looks like a lot of working class people got hit by the unwise contracts.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 9, 2009 3:30 AM

What are you saying? That we should try to spend under the salary cap? That we should only spend 90million?

IMHO, Jerry Jones didn't fire Wade because of the economy. All of sudden owners are trying to save a million here or there. If Minnesota and Arizona have to beg folks to buy home play-off tickets, then the economy is truly affecting the NFL. It will be interesting to see if this does have an effect on free-agency.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 9, 2009 3:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure it's old news to die-hards like us, but PFT posted this last night:

PORTIS: “WE’VE GOT TO STICK WITH WHAT’S WORKING”
Posted by Josh Alper on January 8, 2009, 11:38 p.m.
Clinton Portis made his last visit to John Thompson’s radio show in D.C. on Wednesday and he didn’t sound like a man enamored of his role on the Washington Redskins. He started by complaining about his seating assignment on the team plane and moved onto the way coaching choices kept him from making statistical gains.

“I mean, bro, to be in Week Nine of a season and five yards away from a thousand yards at the end of the third quarter, and all of the sudden you can’t get five yards in the game because y’all trying to win the game?” Portis said. “And you’re finished, and can’t even get to 1,500 yards? You know, I mean, you want to have hope, but is it really hope? You’re telling me in seven games I couldn’t get 500 yards after I was 300 yards above all competition in Week Nine? So who knows, man?”

His major issue was the shift in philosophy that the team made after starting the year 6-2. As Dan Steinberg of the D.C. Sports Bog points out, they went from running the ball 33.4 times per game in the first eight games to 26.4 times in the second half. Passing attempts went from 29 to 34.8 over the same span.

“I think we was healthy in the 6-2 span and playing smashmouth football. And through that span of whatever we went, 2-6, I think we just lost the identity of what we were trying to do. I think when the running game was our focal point, I think Jason [Campbell] was playing great, I think Santana [Moss] was playing great and [Chris] Cooley as well and everybody else was getting involved. And once we got away from that and just started slinging the ball, nobody did anything. Jason’s play fell off, my play fell off, ‘Tana’s play fell off, Cooley’s play fell off. So I think we’ve just got to stick with what’s working . . . You know, I mean, that’s on them. That’s on the front office, you know, that’s on them to decide if our offensive line was good enough, if I was good enough, if anybody else was good enough.”

Given the 2-6 close to the season, Portis may have a point. He touched on his problems with Jim Zorn as well, saying that he couldn’t “rule with an iron fist,” and intimated that running backs coach Stump Mitchell had less control than other position coaches. Not all appears to be lost, however. Portis did make a magnanimous gesture when it came to his willingness to help the team next season.

“I can’t do nothing but go ahead and just do what they ask me to do. If they ask me to come in and start punting, I’m gonna get my leg ready and learn how to be a punter.”

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 9, 2009 5:59 AM | Report abuse

When the economy is on the up, companies hire the minumnum # of employees to survive in a growin company.

But you can chalk that up to captilism 101. The only person that matters in the business are the owner(s)..

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 7, 2009 10:25 PM

If the company hired the minimum number of people it needed when business was at the top then, when business falls, it needs fewer people.

And, yeah, in a capitalist system where the owners put up the money and take the financial risk, they are the ones who get to decide how the money is spent and how the business is managed. Does that make them bad people?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 9, 2009 6:10 AM | Report abuse

A shred of evidence, Give us one freaking shred of evidence. Now go ahead and attacks RI for lack of sources...

Posted by: TheCork | January 9, 2009 12:10 AM

Cork,

Growing, thriving companies dont lay off 10% of their staff. Maybe in your Cloud Cuckoo Land fantasies they do, but its pretty clear that revenues are down for the Redskins. We dont know how much or whether you -- if this were your team -- would lay off more or fewer than Snyder has laid off, but when revenues are shrinking you dont need as many employees as you do when theyre growing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 9, 2009 6:21 AM | Report abuse

First impressions from the title game on a few of the Oklahoma players who are rated high.

Gerals McCoy DT Okla - He's been really strong against the run. One play he blew up a toss to running back by getting such a quick jump the pulling guard barly touched him. He's been doubled team on nearly every pass play unless he's dropped off the line in coverage. He looks as good as advertised.

Duke Robinson G Okla - He is killing the Fla DT when they run the ball. He's creating massive holes. He has gotten pushed back a few times and has a holding penalty because he lost leverage. He'll need work on his pass sets, but damn he's a good run blocker.

Phil Loadholt LT Okla - Best surprise of the nigth. He's been sold in pass pro. He's a little slow to set for the speed rush, but once he get's his hand on the DE, the DE hasn't been able to counter. His run blocking has been spectaculr. He's been kicking out or sealing the edge like cray. In my mind, he' better than I thought he would be.

Posted by: TWISI | January 8, 2009 10:20 PM |

TWISI,

I totally agree I would take all 3 not sure were Mccoy is projected, but Robinson is a late 1st and Loadholt is a mid 2nd.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: columbiard | January 9, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

There are plenty of reasons to bash Snyder this is not one of them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 6:46 AM

Agreed, Flounder. Just about EVERYBODY is cutting jobs right now, especially big corporations. Even the mighty NFL is not immune. I think people easily forget that more money = more expenses, and that just because Snyder is making millions doesn't mean that he's turning a profit.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 9, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

How about finding out what we are planning to do in the off season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2009 6:46 AM

Flounder,

The sad part is we arent planning to do anything in the offseason. Everybody is on vacation for ten days, and then theyll come back and start making plans. Of course, Jasno will have a one-on-one with Vinny once the plans are set in concrete and well read it all here on Redskins Insider.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 9, 2009 7:03 AM | Report abuse

If Snyder's trying to save money, why not layoff Vinny, the crappy quarterback, most of the crappy offensive line, the grumpy tailback, the rookie phenoms who can't remember plays or motivate themselves to work out and stay healthy? The pay of one of those guys would probably take care of the salaries of those 20 inidividuals who just lost their jobs.

Posted by: doolindalton | January 9, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Wow! Decreasing revenues from ticket sales. Yeah. OK.

What would happen if public transportation, like Metro went to FEDEX and less people paid those obscene prices for parking?

Posted by: heyjoe728 | January 9, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

twisi/flound, I thought that Loadholt got exposed a little bit at lt last night, seemed like he struggled a little with speed rushers. Robinson got that holding penalty, and a personal foul. Be that as it may, when they got their hands on a player, that player was STOPPED dead in their tracks. Both guys MAULED in the run game, absolutely crushed it in the run game. I'd move PL to RT, and put Robinson at RG, close to 700 pounds on one side....

zj, way to stay classy, seriously. Get a hobby other than following this team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

This is sad.......but I did save 15% by switching to STATE FARM from geico.

Posted by: hz9604 | January 9, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

People watch the national championship game and walk away admiring offensive lineman who couldn't punch it in on a goal-line stand when the ball came to their side.

Slow-moving, non-athletic lineman who couldn't punch it in against, leaner, younger players.

I guess people were then also impressed by the way the lighter, athletic interior Gator lineman were hitting Sam Bradford like he was a beach in Miami, and they, on vacation.

People just don't like the Gators- me included.

But as much as folks yak about Big 12--I'll take the SEC anyday against anybody--lineman, it was speed in the skill positions that won the game.

Who flipped the field?

Percy Harvin or Loadholdt?

Who scored?

Percy Harvin or McCoy?

Who had the better o-line?

Oklahoma

Who won lost with the same lineman folks say the Skins should draft?

Oklahoma.

Draft their lineman?

Yeah, right....

Who'd make Antawn "Fair Catch" Randle El expendable?

Percy Harvin.

Go, maybe, Gators...

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

wow, yeah, draft Harvin, makes sense....can he play guard?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Moe, Florida receivers ALWAYS look good in the pros...

Moron.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 9, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

twisi/flound, I thought that Loadholt got exposed a little bit at lt last night, seemed like he struggled a little with speed rushers. ...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 8:14 AM
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The result of the matchup a few weeks ago between Orakpo and Loadholt in the mock drafts I've seen was Orakpo moved into the top five picks, while Loadholt dropped into 2nd round at best.

I think the skins can do better than Loadholt, and they need to.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 9, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

brown, I don't get it, I really don't...Its actually funny when you think about it, because I'm pretty sure that if the Redskins draft Harvin, moe will rip them for drafting another receiver......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

We all yell for to be cut/fired, but when other, non-football people get cut/fired, everyone cries.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 9, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe I was looking at the line play in particular because I don't think the skins should invest a first round pick on one. I know Florida has the better skilled players. However,as we have seen the spped at which these players play at on the college level doe not always produce the consistent big plays in the pros (see R Bush, T Ginn). That's because the defenses in the ppros are faster and play with more discipline. Also, when watching the game, I thought a real turning point occured when Robinson went out of the game. Oklahoma didn't run as effectivly. In particular, I noticed they started running ore to the right side because the LG play wasn't as effective. Finally if you re-watch the goal line play, it was the center that got beat on 4th down. There was a surge onthe Oklahoma left side if the back was able to get there.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

thunder, thanks for posting the link to that vid, Orakpo, is just a BEAST, I'm starting to come around on him, I had originally thought he was too small, but man he's got a quick first step, he doesn't let guys get their hands on him..

I think PLoadholt would be better suited at RT, in the pro's.

who did you have in mind for them to pick?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Moe mock the Skins for drafting a speedy receiver...?

Surely you jest.

This Madden GM is on record: Brian Orakpo-Texas should the 1st round pick.

But knowing the Skins have

Rob Jackson
Alex Buzbee
Chris Wilson

Orakpo probably won't get selected by the Vin Man

Moe sees the present Skins offense as slow, undynamic.

Moe visualizes an offense where Zorn uses 'packages' where specific plays and foramtions fit the abilities of specific players.

Moss at X and Harvin at Z, with Davis at Y and Cooley at H-back suddenly gives the offense speed and match-up issues it doesn't presently have.

I mean, who do you cover?

And with draft and o-lineman issues being what they are, in all seriousness, you can't fault the FO for using 2 out of the 4 picks on lineman.

But with Harvin, or Sproles, or Derrick Ward, I can dream of a team that scores points rather than kick field goals.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

twisi, I stayed up till halftime, why did Robinson go out?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

ifthethunderdontgetya thanks for the highlights. Looks like speed rushers are going to be difficult for Loadholt at first.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

"Moss at X and Harvin at Z, with Davis at Y and Cooley at H-back"

And Campbell on IR, because they couldn't protect him, suddenly its SPURRIER all over again....HOORAY!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure Orakpo will be long gone before the 13th pick.

I'd like to see us pick the best of the top 6 offensive tackles available with our 13th.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 9, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

I'm now a moron for suggesting what won't happen:

The Skins selecting Harvin

What was I a week ago when I blogged that Harvin would '...light up Oklahoma the way I expect him to...'?

I know: guys like you who like to insult people they can't see are too busy playing pocket pool to realize the truth: that it, like life, is just another game you fail at as well.

Use both hands next time, maybe you'll win.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg I never did hear why he was out. The announcers mentioned it and moved on.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

beantown

Maybe you didn't notice that Campbell was getting hit because of the 8 man fronts and poor right tackle play used against an offense nobody was afraid to match-up against.

You can affect defensive pressure by spreading the field and creating match up issues.

Speed allows you to do that.

And Sprurrier was a clueless monkey who wanted money without the work.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Lets say that Orakpo drops to #13, do you take him if you're the Redskins??

This is where I'm torn. Do you trade back and pass on this guy, to address the multiple needs your team has, or do you pick him??

Tough decision, no doubt.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

thunder

I feel you about picking one of the best 6 o-lineman.

a right tackle

a center

a left guard to challenge Rhinehart

I'd go for that...

...if it happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"BeantownGreg I never did hear why he was out. The announcers mentioned it and moved on.

Posted by: TWISI "


that's because the Fox college sports announcers are freaking awful.

They just suck. They're wrong on at least half of everything they say. It's ridiculous.

Fox's college football coverage is painful to watch. Last year in the Sugar Bowl, they came back from commercial break and just showed a shoe for a full minute. A guy's shoe. I don't even think it was a player. It was just an image of a shoe with no volume.

It was funny last night, one of the idiots kept trying to call whether the D would blitz or not, and he only got it right like twice out of about 10 tries. Hell, even Cork could guess right half the time.

They piss me off with their crappy coverage.

We were also treated to such gems as "If you spend just 15 minutes with Tim Tebow, your life will be better because of it." Jeeze, gimme a break. Falling in love with some 21 year old kid, what a joke.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 9, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

moe, what you described is spurrier 101.

campbell can't complete the pass when he's on his back looking out his ear-hole, and the trainer is asking him what his name is....

Speed kills, no doubt, but when you OLine is a sieve, the only thing getting killed is your qb.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Lets say that Orakpo drops to #13, do you take him if you're the Redskins??

He's about the only guy that would make me think about not picking an O.T., but I think he's gone in the first 5 picks.

Anyone remember that play where we were in the red zone, the defense rushed 2 guys, and they sacked Campbell? It wasn't a coverage sack, either.

That play should tell any normal person² all they need to know about our draft priorities.

² This, of course, leaves out Sniderato.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 9, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I feel for those who are now job free. But the names of who was let go are disconcerting. We supposedly had the best cap man in the league (how else did we manage to get out of "cap hell" every year? What did the guy say that we had a bad plan or something? Did Vinny go around pink slipping any guy who they could find that had a opinion?

I don't know and will wait to find out. Also I do wonder what these 20 peeps were making. I am sure some were under 100k guys and low level types. But I bet we also had some big salaries let go.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

As a WR I think along with speed, they have to be good route runners, as well as be able to adjust well on the fly. The defenses in the pros are just too complicated and just as talented and fast as the offensive players.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

We were also treated to such gems as "If you spend just 15 minutes with Tim Tebow, your life will be better because of it." Jeeze, gimme a break. Falling in love with some 21 year old kid, what a joke.

Posted by: TheTruth11 +++

Perhaps a bit of hyperbole, but maybe they are just so happy to have the polar opposite of athletes like "Pacman" to talk about.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | January 9, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 9, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

As much as I hate Snyder and how he runs this org, the blame here -- recession speaking -- falls on the Players Association and the players themselves. At a time when peoples real incomes are decreasing, not to memtion thier pensions, 401(k)'s, etc players salaries continue to increase.

Every year the TO's and Portis's have to make more money than that other guy on that other team b/c I have more carriers or more catches or more yards than he has. Professional atheletes salaires continue to rise exponentially during a time of recession. The owners have to choice but to make cuts where they can and them if necessary pass those added costs down to their customer base -- YOU!

Remember that the next time you buy a Jason Taylor's Jersery or Redskins Sticker.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 9, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

alex35332, I don't think the cap analyst the Skins released (Halsell) was the main "cap guru" (the one who has been doing a fabulous job). Halsell (who was released is just one of the cap guys.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 9, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

beantown

As much as I agree about the Sprurrier comment, the fact is Zorn must really be more creative with the Skin's offensive design.

It's too pure WCO.

If you look around the league at all the other WCO systems in place--Philly, for example, you see multiple formations, packages, matchup problems, etc.

This year, the Skins lined up in the same formations and ran the same plays game in and game out.

The design was either too much Portis mixed in with too many hitch routes, curls, dump offs, and 'smoke' screens.

And yes, in all honesty, I hope the o-line is addressed.

But I also hope the guy calling plays takes a creativity pill or two.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I feel for those who are now job free. But the names of who was let go are disconcerting. We supposedly had the best cap man in the league (how else did we manage to get out of "cap hell" every year? What did the guy say that we had a bad plan or something? Did Vinny go around pink slipping any guy who they could find that had a opinion?

I don't know and will wait to find out. Also I do wonder what these 20 peeps were making. I am sure some were under 100k guys and low level types. But I bet we also had some big salaries let go.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

The guy that was let go worked with the cap, but I don't think he was our main cap guy.

As for the 20+ people released, you have to remember that this organization is a business. It was at the end of its operating year, and apparently did an evaluation of who was performing and who was expendable. This is just part of doing business. We see the players' salaries, but we do not see the rest of the financial situation. We see the gross ticket sales, but not what travel costs are, and what salaries are for anyone other than the team. We don't see how much is spent on insurance and other overhead.

All I'm saying is that we should focus on the team, and let the operation managers make their decisions. The country is in a recession, and they have to manage the long-term financial health of the organization. Part of that is managing the staff.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 9, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

there may have been as many as 35 people laid off. Severance package was only 4 weeks and the conditions to receive it restricted the employee from working for any other local sports team and from talking about the lay off or speaking negatively about the organization. many of these employees had been working every day for months, and through Thanksgiving and Christmas...sacrificing time with their families for the team. Then the team repays them for that loyalty by this meager severance package and by limiting their employment options. I've always loved the Redskins but I'm ashamed of the organization today

Posted by: heatherinthetv | January 9, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Has Percy Harvin ever run a real pass route? Seriously people, THINK! When have you seen this guy run an effective 10-yard out pattern, slant, comeback, curl, etc. you've seen this guy, take a snap, a handoff, etc. and hit the hole or get around the corner. You have not seen him do real receiver things!

Harvin is a talent, if he drops to the 3rd round he would be a great pick up for PR/KR, and be groomed to play WR. But a 1st round receiver after we just wasted 2 picks on the same position last year? He11 no! And some of you guys really think you know something.

Posted by: oknow1 | January 9, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

20 outta 143 is serious numbers. But the idea that "the revenue from tickets and season tickets was not where it needs to be" ... hmmm, I thought everything was sold out and there was a huge waiting list.

There cannot be too big a waiting list because two years ago I was receiving a number of telephone calls and emails from the redskibns to buy tickets but decided against it because the prices were simply outrageous even for end zone seats. Who wants to pay good money to see this crap?

At least the Wizards have a player worth seeing in Caron Butler.

Posted by: noups | January 9, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I think Snyder and anyone else in the league and that includes the league offices should be ashamed of thierselves for laying off anyone. They are taking advantage of the poor economy to cut cost. Many business in this country are suffering because of the economy, but the NFL is not one of them. Maybe they may have sold a few less jerseys this year, but the NFL is a cash cow. There is NO reason to be doing this. Not that I wish ill will on anyone but the only layoff should be Vinny C and go out and get a real GM, and not a puppet with a fancy title.

Posted by: hailtotheskinsalways | January 9, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

All of them could be hired back for the amount it takes to pay one reserve player on this team.

Or for the amount of money Snyder spends to decorate a single room of his mansion.

The Redskins and the NFL are still RAKING it in. Shame on them for firing so many people despite their massive profits.

Posted by: drischord | January 9, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many salaries could be paid with the amount of money they gave to Adam Archuleta and Brandon Loyd?

Posted by: jahs4fun | January 9, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Wait till next year,as people with club seat contracts continue to bail on this woebegone franchise. I'm done for sure.

Posted by: ridgely1 | January 9, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

It's unfortunate however this is how corporate America works. Hopefully the Change We Need will help these and the many other workers who are out of work.

Posted by: cnburgess | January 9, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

there may have been as many as 35 people laid off. Severance package was only 4 weeks and the conditions to receive it restricted the employee from working for any other local sports team and from talking about the lay off or speaking negatively about the organization. many of these employees had been working every day for months, and through Thanksgiving and Christmas...sacrificing time with their families for the team. Then the team repays them for that loyalty by this meager severance package and by limiting their employment options. I've always loved the Redskins but I'm ashamed of the organization today

Posted by: heatherinthetv | January 9, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Where did you get all this info? Being that alot of people are getting laid off without any kind of package, four weeks is surely better than nothing. Lots of companies put non-competes and confidentiality agreements in place preventing employees from working for competitors, so this is really nothing unusual. In terms of working through the holidays, it is the nature of the job. Goes with the territory and you know it when you sign up for it. If you don't want to sacrifice weekends and holidays, don't work for an NFL football team. I feel for anyone that gets laid off, but doesn't sound like these folks got it any worse than anyone else.

Posted by: bini1968 | January 9, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

too bad cerrato wasnt laid off. It would have saved all others who were. damn that guy is lucky to keep his job when most of the guys who were laid off did not deserve to be. CERRATO YOU BITE!!!

Posted by: cerrato_bites | January 11, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, one of the former employees will not sign the no-talk clause and spill the beans on the diminutive owner/GM.

He's betting they all need their severence pkg.s and perhaps they do, but wouldn't it be nice if they opted to just tell all the dirt (and there's plenty) on the smallest thing in the NFL since the jock-strap?

Perhaps if he didn't have to pay the assorted 250 million to the former players and coaches he's recklessly signed then fired, he could afford to keep the rank and file front officers?

As always, the emporer has NO CLOTHES!!! and everyone at the Post and other media sources he hasn't bought up need to continue to tell it to the masses that refuse to see the abhorant nakedness!

Posted by: duru44 | January 12, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

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