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Posted at 4:30 PM ET, 12/26/2010

Redskins beat Jaguars 20-17 in overtime

By Rick Maese

Updated: 4:30 p.m.
Overtime
Kicker Graham Gano's 31-yard field goal in overtime snapped the Redskins' four-game losing streak on Sunday at EverBank Field, dampening the Jaguars' playoff hopes in the process.

On Jacksonville's first possession in overtime, Washington sent pressure right at Jacksonville quarterback David Garrard, who forced a bad pass to the right side. Washington safety Kevin Barnes stepped in front of tight end Marcedes Lewis to make the interception, and Rex Grossman and the Redskins' offense took over on the Jaguars' 16 yard line.

Washington ran only two plays before sending Gano out for the game-winner, which split the uprights.

Grossman, making his second start of the season, finished the day 19 of 39 passing for 182 yards, a touchdown and an interception. Ryan Torain had 65 yards on 20 carries, and Santana Moss had 85 yards on five receptions.

Updated: 4:17 p.m.
Fourth quarter
The Redskins and Jaguars added dramatic touchdowns in the fourth quarter, sending Sunday's game into overtime.

Early in the quarter, Coach Mike Shanahan made a gutsy call to go for a touchdown on fourth-and-goal, and it paid off in a big way. The Redskins missed on two tries from the one-yard line and rather than trot out the field-goal unit on fourth down in a tie game on the road, Shanahan opted to keep his offense on the field.

Ryan Torain leaped into the end zone less than three minutes into the final to break the tie game and give the Redskins a 17-10 lead.

In their next two possessions, the Jaguars managed only one first down and failed to crack midfield. But the Redskins couldn't mount much offense of their own. They finished regulation converting only four of 15 third-down attempts.

With four minutes remaining in the game, the Redskins' Sam Paulescu kicked a low-flying punt and Jacksonville's Mike Thomas returned it to the Washington 42-yard line -- the Jaguars' best starting field position of the day. David Garrard hit Jason Hill for a 20-yard pass to put Jacksonville on the 20, and two plays later, Garrard had a designed draw up the middle. Safety Kevin Barnes appeared to have a shot at Garrard, but the Jags' quarterback made it all the way to the end zone to tie the game with 2:51 to play.

The Redskins' final drive of regulation could get no further than the Washington 49-yard line. On third-and-10, Grossman rolled left and was sacked for a 10 yard loss.

Updated: 3:28 p.m.
Third quarter
The Redskins' offense struggled to find much momentum in the third quarter and the Jaguars fought back to send the game into the final quarter with the score tied
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Josh Scobee's 34-yard field with 4:57 remaining in the third quarter tied the game at 10 apiece. On the drive, the Jaguars made a strong push to the end zone but could get no closer than Washington's 16-yard line. Quarterback David Garrard hit Mike Thomas with a 36-yard pass and Jason Hill with a 37-yarder, as the Jacksonville offense started to come alive.

The Redskins' offense, meanwhile, struggled to find any kind of rhythm, especially early in the quarter. After failing to convert their first eight third-down attempts, the Redskins finally converted a pair on their final drive of the quarter, as Rex Grossman twice connected with Santana Moss and Washington reached the red zone for the third time Sunday.

For quarterback Rex Grossman, the quarter featured a series of poor decisions and the Redskins offense seemed to turn more to its running game. Ryan Torain, who had only seven carries in the first half, had six carries in the third quarter for 25 yards.

Updated: 2:40 p.m.
Second quarter
Though the Jaguars outgained the Redskins by nearly a two to one margin, Washington clung to a 10-7 lead after one half of play.

On their first possession of the second quarter, the Jaguars put together a 10-play, 79-yard drive, capped by David Garrard's 19-yard touchdown pass to Mike Thomas. The Jags' first score of the game cut the Redskins lead to just three points.

Washington had a chance to extend its lead later in the quarter. Rex Grossman hit Santana Moss with a 39-yard pass to put the Redskins into Jacksonville territory. With the catch, Moss topped the 1,000-yard mark for the fourth time in his career. It also put Washington near field goal range.

Three plays later, on first and 10 from the Jaguars' 17-yard line, Grossman targeted Moss in the end zone. Jacksonville cornerback Derek Cox intercepted the ball in the end zone, though, and the Jaguars took over on the 20-yard line. The ruling was a close call, and Coach Mike Shanahan challenged the play. But after a review, officials decided Cox quickly gained possession of the ball and got both feet in bounds.

The half ended on Jeremy Jarmon and Andre Carter's sack of Garrard. The ball popped loose and rolled into the end zone, but after another review, officials ruled that Garrard was down before losing possession.

The first-half numbers for the Redskins weren't pretty. Jacksonville outgained the Redskins 188 yards to 108. Grossman was 8 of 20 passing for 80 yards, one touchdown and one interception. Running back Ryan Torain had 28 yards on seven carries. Moss was the only receiver with more than one catch. He had two for 51 yards.

First Quarter
Thanks to Brandon Banks' 32-yard return and a 15-yard Jacksonville penalty, the Redskins started Sunday's game on the Jaguars' 44-yard line. Five plays, one first down and 38 seconds later, Graham Gano trotted out to kick a 48-yard field goal that gave Washington an early 3-0 lead.

The Jaguars' ensuing possession didn't last long. Cornerback Carlos Rogers intercepted a David Garrard pass and returned it 38 yards to the Jacksonville 18-yard line. The Redskins reached the one-yard line, where Rex Grossman threw an incomplete pass to Santana Moss on third down. But an illegal contact penalty against the Jaguars' Kirk Morrison gave Washington a new set of downs from inside the one-yard line.

After Chris Cooley dropped a sure touchdown, fellow tight end Fred Davis had no problem handling his one-yard touchdown catch, which gave the Redskins a 10-0 lead. It marked Grossman's fifth touchdown pass of the season.

Featuring a rag-tag defensive lineup that included several reserves, the Redskins defense held its own in the first quarter. The Jaguars didn't cross midfield until the tail end of the first quarter. Jacksonville kicker Josh Scobee, though, missed a 44-yard field goal, and the Redskins carried a 10-0 lead into the second quarter.

By Rick Maese  | December 26, 2010; 4:30 PM ET
 
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Comments

First. Yessss.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | December 26, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

FIRST

Posted by: mmz114 | December 26, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mmz114 | December 26, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Missed tackle after missed tackle...

Adam Carriker is doing better...nothing like a fight during the week to get you going.

Posted by: rodskin | December 26, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mmz114 | December 26, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

@ mmz114

;-p

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | December 26, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

O-line can't get Torain going.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Another Cooley drop.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cooley drops = 3

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Grossman needs to stop trying to get it to Cooley at this point and start at least taking some shots down field.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 26, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

This defense is awful.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I expect Cooley to be gone whenever his contract is up...He is frustrated and knows it will be at least 2 years before the team is competitive...Then he will shine wherever he goes...

Posted by: pentagon40 | December 26, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Our record is more dependent on the holes we need to fill versus the talent we have at TE.


You guys over value Cooley.

He doesn't have the trade value you think.

We might have 6-10 picks next Spring without trading him, so the linemen you want can still be acquired..

So why would you do it?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 1:41 PM |

It basically says he's second in receptions and yards for a TE. I agree that he has underperformed. That's kinda my point. Imagine if he has a good year. So let's trade him for a third or a fourth...genius.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse
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Oh ok. I don't even know if we could get that and if we could I wouldn't do it anyway. We currently have 3rd and 4th rounders named jarmon, barnes and perry riley. Nothing against those guys, but i wouldnt trade em for cooley.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Damn. Nice pass to Santana, Rex.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Pretty pass from Rex.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Rex grossman, ladies and gentlemen...

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Challenge flag....?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh ok. I don't even know if we could get that and if we could I wouldn't do it anyway. We currently have 3rd and 4th rounders named jarmon, barnes and perry riley. Nothing against those guys, but i wouldnt trade em for cooley.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:12 PM

Exactamundo.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Rex saved by the challenge.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I expect Cooley to be gone whenever his contract is up...He is frustrated and knows it will be at least 2 years before the team is competitive...Then he will shine wherever he goes...

Posted by: pentagon40 | December 26, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

He should be frustrated in himself.

Posted by: rodskin | December 26, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Rex has no arm strength. He floats too many passes, which lead to INTs.

Would not mind seeing Beck.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

We just got robbed.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

WTF???? How can they say the ruling on the field stands?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

WTF..............

Foot Out of Bounds and you have to maintain possesion to the gound.

HORRIBLE CALL

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Awful call on review ref. How can they possibly get away with such blatant stupidity?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

That was the most BS call I've ever seen by the refs.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

WTF was that call? Why did we bring back instant replay for that?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

LOL what was that ruling?

Posted by: Frivolous | December 26, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Challenge flag....?

Posted by: gimmesummoe


?? pretty obvious

Posted by: rodskin | December 26, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Even if it was a bad call, Rex was late and floated the ball. Good chance he has another 2 INT game.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm in a bar in MI with no sound, so how was that a pick?!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 26, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Big time BS that wasn't even close.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 26, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I've seen lots of bad officiating but when you uphold stupidity like that after you see it on film you really have to question the integrity of this league!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: skins91r | December 26, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I guess the ref also didn't see the ball continuing to move around

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 26, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

bad call by ref. his foot was out

Posted by: rodskin | December 26, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

All part of the evaluation process. I'm not mad at it. Let the chips fall where they may.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 2:19 PM
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Not "stands." He said it was "confirmed."

That was such an awful call. Just awful.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The defense is actually playing pretty good even though it's tough to tell who half of them are.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 26, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

wth didn't Shanny call timeout after they called a penalty on the Jas with 2:30 left. That could have possibly of cost us 3 points.

Posted by: Thundershock | December 26, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

For those with no sound, the claim is that the DB had his left foot down for a moment when he first caught the ball, making the right foot the second foot in and the left foot WELL out of bounds superfluous.

Anyone with a DVR able to check that? I seriously doubt it.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I thought you had to have possession of the ball with both feet down--not just have a finger on it?

Posted by: richs91 | December 26, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I thought you had to have possession of the ball with both feet down--not just have a finger on it?

Posted by: richs91 | December 26, 2010 2:25 PM |

He also was bobbloing the ball as he went out of bounds.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Another Cooley drop.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Wow Cooley...pretty awful.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

cooley needs to find another team

Posted by: rodskin | December 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

COOLEY DROPS = 4

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

FOUR drops for Cooley.

He's hungover.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Time to take Cooley out of the game.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

That was such an awful call. Just awful.


Amen.

They gave the guy possession/control and a foot down all at the same time.

It's supposed to be that it's not a 'foot down' until you show possession and control.

Not getting a score on that drive will come back to haunt us later, especially if the jags score after the half.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Cooley is pathetic today sit him down and let Davis play.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 26, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

WTF is up with Cooley!!!????

Posted by: skins91r | December 26, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Stop throwing to his sorry azz!!

Posted by: ga8085 | December 26, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Grossman has looked pretty bad too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Cooley is just doing his best to make sure we have a high draft pick next year.

Posted by: mmz114 | December 26, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I expect Cooley to be gone whenever his contract is up...He is frustrated and knows it will be at least 2 years before the team is competitive...Then he will shine wherever he goes...

Posted by: pentagon40 | December 26, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

He should be frustrated in himself.

Posted by: rodskin | December 26, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse
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He has said many times he doesn't want to play anywhere else, and I believe him. His hot wife is a local, plus where else would so many fans look the other way when he has a 4 drop game, yet harp for a month on his qb's bad throw in the flat against Tampa, as if that ruined our season?

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

A reality check:
The skins O-line cannot run block or protect the QB consistantly. The D-line cannot put pressure on the QB. The DB's apparently can't cover man to man because they seem to always play zone and have recievers running around like deer in an open field. The coaches have alot of work to do in the offseason.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 26, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

That's a touchdown....don't rob us again.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

touchdown!!! ofcourse officials may take it away from us

Posted by: rodskin | December 26, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

They're saying the QB was already down by contact??? Is this ref a frikkin relative of the Jaguars owner or what?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

THAT'S A FUMBLE AND A TD!!

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

It looks like the Shanahans knew what they were doing when they decided to only target Cooley in the 2nd half.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

That's a TD, but the officials will take it away...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

At this point i rather have the redskins lose the game....don't go ruin the draft position for a meaningless win

Posted by: mmz114 | December 26, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that'll be reversed.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

That was such an awful call. Just awful.


Amen.

They gave the guy possession/control and a foot down all at the same time.

It's supposed to be that it's not a 'foot down' until you show possession and control.

Not getting a score on that drive will come back to haunt us later, especially if the jags score after the half.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse
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I agree, but...

Don't throw that errant ball = problem solved

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

BTW: is it me more is Rob Jackson making plays as a linebacker?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Moe, those 4 drops is why we should get rid of cooley, I think he's taken one hit too many

Scamp- ya were in the agrreance that we need picks, that's why if its a strong point we can trade a guy for other pics. Very rarely will we have 3 tes on the field so I think we can get rid of the one who seems to be on the decline. If we had 2 or 3 more picks then I say keep him

In the offseason I'm watching for Donovan, Cleatsworth, Cooley, n Carter(if he accepts) to all be moved. This is the year to do it

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 26, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

that's the way mike, give em hell, maybe the refs will give us a makeup call next half...we sure deserve it. Should be 13 7

Posted by: rodskin | December 26, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I like that Shanahan was on the field yelling at the two officials. He was probably yelling more about the UNREAL interception call than the fumble by Garrard.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

The defense is playing strong I give Haslett credit for having this make shift group ready to play.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 26, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

When a players best asset is his hands and he stops catching the ball...........

The math's not hard on that one.

Posted by: skins91r | December 26, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

The end zone pick was brutal! The 1st foot that was "allegedly" down was not down. I rewound that play several times. The NFL hates Snyder. We see it week after week and I am NO Oliver Stone fan.

Clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 26, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I agree, but...

Don't throw that errant ball = problem solved

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:33 PM

You're such a clown. Just a negative, whiney, fickle fan.

That was the play call into the wind, thrown to a 5'9 receiver that needs to box out the defender. Bad Play call and it wasn't an INT.

Feel free to take your weak ass allegiance to where ever McNabb plays next year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I agree, but...

Don't throw that errant ball = problem solved

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:33 PM

You're such a clown. Just a negative, whiney, fickle fan.

That was the play call into the wind, thrown to a 5'9 receiver that needs to box out the defender. Bad Play call and it wasn't an INT.

Feel free to take your weak ass allegiance to where ever McNabb plays next year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 2:42 PM |

Triple stamp

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 26, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

One thing that puzzles me is the fact the Shanahans have become so pass happy. Mike used to love to run the ball when he coached in Denver.

Posted by: skins91r | December 26, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

MyPostIDisAfake

It looks like the Shanahans knew what they were doing when they decided to only target Cooley in the 2nd half.

So you have ask why they don't 'flip' Cooley with Davis--the right tight end has been the 'checkdown' receiver.

Shanahan has benched or reduced the role of other players who've underperformed.

When will it be Cooley's turn?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

He has said many times he doesn't want to play anywhere else, and I believe him. His hot wife is a local, plus where else would so many fans look the other way when he has a 4 drop game, yet harp for a month on his qb's bad throw in the flat against Tampa, as if that ruined our season?

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:29 PM |

Doesn't look like he's getting much of a pass here. Nor has he for the last couple of years...seems half the fans want to trade him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Nichelle Turner is Pam Oliver's ugly sister.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I agree, but...

Don't throw that errant ball = problem solved

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:33 PM

You're such a clown. Just a negative, whiney, fickle fan.

That was the play call into the wind, thrown to a 5'9 receiver that needs to box out the defender. Bad Play call and it wasn't an INT.

Feel free to take your weak ass allegiance to where ever McNabb plays next year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

You want 5'9" receivers to box out the defender? You do realize what you're saying right? I've said before, McNabb can go. But let's evaluate equally. If Donovan threw that ball, you'd go postal.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Scamp- ya were in the agrreance that we need picks, that's why if its a strong point we can trade a guy for other pics. Very rarely will we have 3 tes on the field so I think we can get rid of the one who seems to be on the decline. If we had 2 or 3 more picks then I say keep him

In the offseason I'm watching for Donovan, Cleatsworth, Cooley, n Carter(if he accepts) to all be moved. This is the year to do it

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 26, 2010 2:35 PM |

I think 3 of those 4 will be gone. Not sure how you count it strong because of 3 guys when 1 is completely unproven and the other one had 1 good half season. Everyone wanted to call Betts solid for one good season but that's all he gave anyone.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Apparently what this defense needs is more practice squad guys.

Posted by: skins91r | December 26, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't look like he's getting much of a pass here. Nor has he for the last couple of years...seems half the fans want to trade him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 2:50 PM
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It is hard to do. Look how many fans still defended Portis long after he began to suck.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | December 26, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Gimme,

Cooley has had a bad half....I don't call that underperforming. You people that think he should be replaced with Davis are idiots. Davis cannot hold a block. Cooley gets open bc he can decoy a block. Davis can't even sell a screen.

Clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 26, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

And I'm literally the only person in a redskins bar in the middle of and NYC snowstorm watching this game, so don't talk to me about my allegiance. And I'll be at the game next week, in dc, just like every other home game I attend. From New York. I don't need to answer about allegiance to Internet geniuses.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Cooley has had a bad half....I don't call that underperforming. You people that think he should be replaced with Davis are idiots. Davis cannot hold a block. Cooley gets open bc he can decoy a block. Davis can't even sell a screen.

Clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 26, 2010 2:54

That may be true, but it is obvious that his head is not in this game and he should sit on the bench for the 3rd qtr of not the rest of the game.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for this team to have a legit NFL qb. Grossman scares me every time he drops back to pass. I can't understand why he throws the ball up when he gets into trouble.

Posted by: TWISI | December 26, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Clegg

You people that think he should be replaced with Davis are idiots.


The idiots are the people who don't see that Davis and Cooley are 2 different types of tight ends.

You're right to say that Davis can't block--he's a passing catching tight end being misused.

He should be 'flexed,' used as ah H-back, and screen game.

So if Cooley blocks better, he should be the left tight end--the guy who helps with protection and run blocking.

Presently, Cooley is on the right, Daivs the left.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Defense baby great job!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 26, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

If WE had recovered that, they would have said his arm was going forward.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Scamp

Your too quick to respond. I said its strong now, with the 3 players it has. Obviously trading our starter would make its strength take a hit. With davis n paulsen with cooley traded for a 2nd or 3rd I wouldn't miss him that much

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 26, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I'd say preliminary reviews of Rob Jackson are favaroble in my view. Way to get that sack.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Clegg, Cooley is no longer anything special. He has so many catches because he's just a safety valve now. As I stated on the last thread, Cooley catches a lot of balls but he doesn't make any plays. His TD numbers have been shrinking. (6 TDs over last three seasons) Davis somehow manages to score with far fewer opportunities. (7 TDs over that same period with less than half the touches) Fans like you and Scamp are what cause owners like Snyder to over pay and keep dudes well past their primes.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

So if Cooley blocks better, he should be the left tight end--the guy who helps with protection and run blocking.

Presently, Cooley is on the right, Daivs the left.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 3:00 PM
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You have some good suggestions Moe. Davis is definitely more athletic and I'd prefer the ball in his hands over Cooley.

Didn't you suggest trying Barnes at FS too?

Oh look a Fred Davis screen that gained 8 yds. Go figure

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | December 26, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis catches a pass and rumbles for a first down.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Scamp

Your too quick to respond. I said its strong now, with the 3 players it has. Obviously trading our starter would make its strength take a hit. With davis n paulsen with cooley traded for a 2nd or 3rd I wouldn't miss him that much

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 26, 2010 3:01 PM

Fair enough. Having said that I don't think we would get enough in trade for any of the 3 to make it worth while.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 3:00 PM

Moe, I've been saying this for the last two years.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

scamp

I'd say preliminary reviews of Rob Jackson are favaroble in my view. Way to get that sack.

Jackson, Bryant, and Jarmon have all looked okay.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Cooley caught a pass.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

You want 5'9" receivers to box out the defender? You do realize what you're saying right? I've said before, McNabb can go. But let's evaluate equally. If Donovan threw that ball, you'd go postal.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:51 PM

I blame the play call but if you read my post you would already know that.

I can only go by your whiney and negative posts and judging by them you don't have to be a genius to question your allegiance.

I hope your wings are cold and your beer is warm

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Grossman has the completion short of the line to gain down cold. I say they keep him.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Fans like you and Scamp are what cause owners like Snyder to over pay and keep dudes well past their primes.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 3:03 PM
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+1

The Cooley love is starting to become like Portis love.

Anybody who can't see that Cooley is on the down side of his career is delusional at best.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | December 26, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

QB play continues to hurt this team. Would rather see if Beck is capable of being the back up next year, than to see anymore of this.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

It's just nice seeing someone fully in control of this offense, running it like a pro.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Have they abandoned the running game because they're stupid, or because they want to pressure Grossman into throwing double digit interceptions?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

The D is getting good presure today.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

David Garrard is very, very, very, very good.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Our secondary is so bad. Of course it was Deangelo Hall who was smoked.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious!!!!! this team can't even make a play when they make a play!!!

Posted by: skins91r | December 26, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

F DHall.

Refs also missed a blantant hold

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or is 23 always in the frame when an opposing receiver makes a big play?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't think they've abandoned the running game. I think the plan is to see what Grossman has, and to do that they're throwing almost all the time.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

We know what Grossman has. Why don't the Shanahans?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Cooley's TD issues are not his issues. Cooley is a play maker. He's a safety valve bc he's the hot read due to a crappy O-line. Agree with Flexing Davis but look at the 2nd and 1 play....Davis sat on his 1 yd route when he was supposed to drag away from the LB'ers. He's not a smart player.

Rob Jackson is playing very well. Held twice today on long pass plays by Jags.

Clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 26, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Lots of home cooking by the refs in a game the JAGS must win to not only make the playoffs but possibly save the franchise.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Fans like you and Scamp are what cause owners like Snyder to over pay and keep dudes well past their primes.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 3:03

Fans like you and ifthethunderdontgetya are the reason Skins fans are laughed at. You're obviously a moron because I always advocate for draft picks over free agency. I didn't want Haynesworth OR McNabb OR DHall. But of course you have your head too far up your retarded ass to recall any of that. You just make blatantly idiotic statements because you have a thing your ass about Cooley dogging your girlfriend. y

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

You want 5'9" receivers to box out the defender? You do realize what you're saying right? I've said before, McNabb can go. But let's evaluate equally. If Donovan threw that ball, you'd go postal.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 2:51 PM

I blame the play call but if you read my post you would already know that.

I can only go by your whiney and negative posts and judging by them you don't have to be a genius to question your allegiance.

I hope your wings are cold and your beer is warm

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse
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Just watch the game and keep it movin. I was responding to a moe post anyway. I also said I disagree with the refs, btw. If you think the throw was fine on a bad call, party on. Santana needs to learn to box out...

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Didn't you suggest trying Barnes at FS too?

I did at the time of the Tryon trade.

It makes sense to convert a big corner to safety as you get a guy with ball coverage skills and speed playing deep.

I'd add a FA FS, draft a FS, and use Barnes as my number 2 free safety knowing he can also play corner--that's nice verisitility.

To me, Moore, Horton, Doughty are gone.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

We know what Grossman has. Why don't the Shanahans?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 3:14 PM |

Then submit your resume.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The play call is about 1:4 run to pass.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Interesting point Diez....sounds like something the nf of l would do.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

To me, Moore, Horton, Doughty are gone.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 3:17 PM

Co sign

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Heh, heh, you're funny, scamp. We don't all commit every statement you've ever made to memory. This isn't our only "community."

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Why does Santana run backwards after a catch? He just lost 2 yards after the catch.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

We must get a score on this drive.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Clegg, his TD issues are his issues. He can't get away from anyone.

Scamp, why do you always have to go the immature route? It's ironic that the guy who claims others have something personal against Cooley gets all emotional when others don't share his man love for Cooley.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

For being washed up Moss is having a hell of a game!

Posted by: skins91r | December 26, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Let's run a reverse to Santana for the score.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

We need to resign Moss. Not to a huge contract, but we need him for the next 3-4 years.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Clegg, his TD issues are his issues. He can't get away from anyone.

Scamp, why do you always have to go the immature route? It's ironic that the guy who claims others have something personal against Cooley gets all emotional when others don't share his man love for Cooley.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 3:21 PM

Emotion has nothing to do with it. I'm not surprised that you don't understand anything having to do with logic and football. You don't trade one of the top assets of your offense for an unknown...period. Good teams don't trade away their proven asstes unless they know that they have something else in place. You think we have something as good as Cooley in Davis? I say what are you smoking?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The play call is about 1:4 run to pass.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 3:19 PM

Seeing what works in the pass offense. It's not a well called game by KS by any means.

Posted by: TWISI | December 26, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Sellers has to be the worst rushing FB in league history.

Posted by: TWISI | December 26, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

We need to resign Moss. Not to a huge contract, but we need him for the next 3-4 years.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 3:24 PM

I've got news for you. Moss is in that 2nd teir of FA WRs. He's put up over 1000 YDs on a terrible team. He'll be 32 before next season and is going to want to get paid.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cooley is playing much better in this half. Good effort on that catch.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"Good teams don't trade away their proven asstes unless they know that they have something else in place."

But bad teams trade away pieces that will bring something in return in order to get better in the long-term, right scamp?

For someone who always demands others be logical and smart . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

TOUCHDOWN RYAN TORAIN!

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Mike thats the way to show some balls.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 26, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

TORAIN!

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 26, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Nice long drive capped by a TD....however, play calling seems to be very questionable IMO.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I guess that uncalled face mask on 2ND down motivated Torrain. The Skins finished a drive. Shocking.

Posted by: skins91r | December 26, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 3:25 PM

It is emotional when you start cursing, calling names, and talking about players screwing people's girlfriends. As for Cooley and Davis, I think they have more in Davis, particularly from a pass catching, playmaking perspective. 8 TDs in 69 catches over the last three seasons. Cooley has 180+ catches with only 6 TDs in the same period.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 3:32 PM
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Yeah. I didn't like the play on 3rd and goal.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Trade Cooley, don't trade Cooley.... I am just glad that none of you are making those decisions.

Let's stick to talking about the game and leave the trade talk for tomorrow.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

That was a Cooley Td. Why did we not challenge that? I hate the throw on 3rd and 1 when you run on 4th. If you know you are going for it on 4th if 3 rd is unsuccessful, why not run twice?

Please stop this Cooley vs Davis chatter. Not even close. I like them both but it's silly.

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 26, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Nice long drive capped by a TD....however, play calling seems to be very questionable IMO.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 3:32 PM |

Kerz,

I think they are throwing more to evaluate Grossman, they changed it up on that drive hopefully they will stay with the run.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 26, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I'd be fine with them trading Cooley if they can get a 2nd for him.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

But bad teams trade away pieces that will bring something in return in order to get better in the long-term, right scamp?

For someone who always demands others be logical and smart . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 3:29 PM

That doesn't even make sense. So Cooley doesn't help this team in the long run? He's a 6th year guy, not a 12th year guy. You want to trade away a guy that is second in recieving among tight ends, an okay blocker for what? A third? I'd say if you can get a high second for a pro bowler then you jump on it. I just don't believe that you get that for him. 3rd rounders have traditionally been crap shoots for us. Not pro bowl starter types. That's what I think you could get for Cooley. So why would I EVER advocate trading Cooley for a third or less? That is illogical. Whatever you said doesn't mesh with my thinking. If it was a second, well, this year I could go with that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Philip Buchanan ain't sh!t.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I love how when London Fletcher gets his hands on you, you go down!

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | December 26, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

And I never said trade Cooley. I just believe Davis should be put in a positino to receive more targets.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

It is emotional when you start cursing, calling names, and talking about players screwing people's girlfriends. As for Cooley and Davis, I think they have more in Davis, particularly from a pass catching, playmaking perspective. 8 TDs in 69 catches over the last three seasons. Cooley has 180+ catches with only 6 TDs in the same period.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 3:33 PM

It got personal when you started insulting me d-bag. Especially when you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Defense is doing great I like this young guys we have playing, Jarmon and Jackson are having good games and Bryant is playing great at the nose.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 26, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Seems that way Flounder, but I would rather see them evaluate Rex using a gameplan designed for the Jags than to see Rex throwing too much. Makes my stomach turn just watching him drop back.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

It's clear Banks has a Napoleon complex. What a moron.

Posted by: skins91r | December 26, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

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You guys shouldn't be so mad this Sunday afternoon.

Kerz=save the rational thought for another blog, this RI...

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | December 26, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Whatever convict. If saying you over value a player is viewed as an insult then you still haven't shaken that prison mentality my man.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand1

And I never said trade Cooley. I just believe Davis should be put in a position to receive more targets.


I agree on both points.

But until the pass blocking dramatically improves, both tight ends will have to be major parts of the protections schemes.

Once they don't have to block on passing plays, you'll see them maximized.


Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Just giving you grief, scamp. You seem (particularly easily) riled up today, all these insults and talk of girlfriends and then insisting you're not emotional.

I'm just pointing out a BAD team might consider trading away a player when his value is high, and based on what the team judges his future production to be.

I don't WANT Cooley traded, I'm just saying that any point about what "good teams" do has no place in a Skins discussion.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, I agree w/ you more times than not. Trade Cooley talk is silly. I do think Shanny would take a 3rd. Cooley with an upgrade Oline would be nothing short of great. As I was just about to credit Armstrong's blocking, he blows one!

Clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 26, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Bad play by Grossman. You don't throw it away on 3rd and 4. Try to extend the play, Rex.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Whatever convict. If saying you over value a player is viewed as an insult then you still haven't shaken that prison mentality my man

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 3:44 PM

Telling me I'm the reason that owners make bad decisions is indeed an insult. Not sure why I continue to argue with someone that obviously is a clueless inbred retard.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Lets all calm down and watch our beloved team blow another game they should win.

Posted by: skins91r | December 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

lol thunder, forgot where I was...

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

As I was just about to credit Armstrong's blocking, he blows one!

Didja notice that Anthony Armstrong has become invisible since McNabb's benching?

I guess the Shanahans don't feel Rex can make the occasional deep pass.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Rob Jackson is killing it

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 26, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Jackson having a huge game. Maybe we got lucky some team did not pluck him from the PS.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Just giving you grief, scamp. You seem (particularly easily) riled up today, all these insults and talk of girlfriends and then insisting you're not emotional.

I'm just pointing out a BAD team might consider trading away a player when his value is high, and based on what the team judges his future production to be.

I don't WANT Cooley traded, I'm just saying that any point about what "good teams" do has no place in a Skins discussion.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 3:46 PM |

Fair enough. I just don't think his value outside of DC is high enough. And true about good teams and the Skins. As far as riled up, well, I give as good as I get and when I get, especially by someone that has shown time and again that they have zero football acumen, I give.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanahan passing at the end of the game. Not surprised.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I know we have very little talent but the play calling is ridiculous. I am not one who is very critical of that bc you never know what the exact schemes are but delay of games on 3rd and long are pathetic.

Also, this punter is HORRIBLE!

Clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 26, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Have some awareness Armstrong. Really? One yard short?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanahan passing at the end of the game. Not surprised.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 3:54 PM

Gotta run the clock with a lead.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I sense overtime a-coming.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I by invisible you mean 100+ last week then yes.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 26, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Well, that's kinda what I expected.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Nice tackling defense. That was embarrassing.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanahan passing at the end of the game. Not surprised.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 3:54 PM

Gotta run the clock with a lead.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

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After seeing Shotty, Gibbs, and even Zorn call in 50 Slam Left from the scoreboard with a lead, I, for one, don't hate tossing the rock around a bit at the end. However, you do have to maintain the run/pass ratio to keep the clock moving.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 26, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey, this gives Sexy Rex a chance to do what he does best: run the two-minute offense.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Guess we are going to see if Rex really can run the 2 min O better...

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

scamp, let it go dude. If you call what you do "giving it as good as you get" then that explains why you think so highly of Cooley. You don't know anymore about football than anyone else posting here. People disagreeing with you doesn't mean you're more knowledgeable. But your reaction to said disagreements and the quality of your insults, however, speak volumes about your social acumen. Thanks for the laughs with all of you your jailhouse posturing.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I guess we'll see if sexy Rexy can run the 2-minute drill

Posted by: mohammed10 | December 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Rex T/O for six the other way? Shut my mouth . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

learned? Shut the f*ck up already.

You're as bad as you claim Scamp to be, you just do it with passive/aggressive posts.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone be surprised if this didn't go to OT?

Clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 26, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Breath Rex, breath! Show off that cardio-vascular training from Kyle.

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 26, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

scamp, let it go dude. If you call what you do "giving it as good as you get" then that explains why you think so highly of Cooley. You don't know anymore about football than anyone else posting here. People disagreeing with you doesn't mean you're more knowledgeable. But your reaction to said disagreements and the quality of your insults, however, speak volumes about your social acumen. Thanks for the laughs with all of you your jailhouse posturing.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 4:02 PM |

Oh, I'm sure you're pleased with how clever you think you are. It's quite clear that my level of football knowledge is far superior to any you think you have. The difference between my insults and yours is that you are a classic passive aggressive. You throw in little underhanded cracks at people that weren't even talking to you and snicker to yourself about it. I have no intentions of trying to slip mine by.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Damm, no one showing LH - one of the original hamsters - any respect!

Cooley. Showing up.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

F Dallas.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

learned? Shut the f*ck up already.

You're as bad as you claim Scamp to be, you just do it with passive/aggressive posts.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 4:05 PM |

HA! That's what I just said. I'm under no illusions that I can be an a hole up here. I get frustrated with posters that think they know everything when they are clearly lacking in mental faculty. Having said that, I wasn't even talking to learnedhand until he decided to take a little underhanded shot at me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Pretty sure DM5 could have done that...

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

O-line of course blows the protection.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Why did rex not just throw it out of bounds??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 26, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

How much gum can Danny Smith possibly shove in his mouth?

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 26, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I love to see the Redskins lose another lead.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Sad situation...win or lose Grossman is the starting qb next season...another long season on the horizon...

Posted by: pentagon40 | December 26, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

WTF - never call tails on a coin toss...idiots

Posted by: mohammed10 | December 26, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I've gotta say, even though our team is terrible they have really fought. I think they have pretty much all year (with a few exceptions). We can say what we want about the players, schemes, and coaches but they fight. That's a start and more than I can say for last year. So much for playing scared.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Skins have called TAILS twice and have lost both coin flips.

I'm calling it now. Ths will end in a TIE.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, I think I've been quite direct with you. But I guess where you and that bama MissRedskin21 come from if a person isn't calling you a dbag or a b@#&%, he's being passive aggressive (BTW, did you think of that on your own or are you just biting what your internet buddy said?)

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

This is interesting to evaluate. Somebody needs to make a play in OT.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling our D is going to have to score for us to have any shot...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

KB25!!!! OMG - We may win a game???

Posted by: mohammed10 | December 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, I think I've been quite direct with you. But I guess where you and that bama MissRedskin21 come from if a person isn't calling you a dbag or a b@#&%, he's being passive aggressive (BTW, did you think of that on your own or are you just biting what your internet buddy said?)

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 26, 2010 4:17 PM |

Whatever dude. I'm done with this ridiculousness. Peace to ya.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

and the TERP KB25 makes a play........

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

YES!!!!!!!!!!! Not a D score, but close enough!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

BARNES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice to finally get him some real playing time!

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

KEVIN BARNES!

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

This is interesting to evaluate. Somebody needs to make a play in OT.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Barnes has a history of making plays, at least in college. Glad he could show something.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 26, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Gano's kicking........

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Ball Game!

Posted by: mohammed10 | December 26, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Nice!

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 26, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

SKINS WIN...

F Draft position.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow...I'll take it! Way to go practice squad!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Love the effort!

Hip-Hip....

Nahhhh, back to my bong.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 26, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Where are those NFL idiots who said that MS is tanking the season?

F U Sapp and anyone else who hates on my Skins!

Oh, and F dallas!

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Yes! Redskins win!

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Half are starters out and we can still pull a game out, that was great coaching getting those guys to play like that.

We spoiled Jacksonville's shot hopefully we can do the same next week to the Giants.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 26, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I repeat my argument for months

Barnes n Landry will be our starting safties

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 26, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

So, at worst, a two W improvement on last season... And (I think) Dallas now has the lock on 4th place in the NFC East...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Where or where is glawrence and his hating on the Barnes pick?

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

What is so special about Rex's play, McNabb could have had a game like that! The difference was actually the defense. Maybe it is a personality issue between the Shanahans and McNabb. What a stupid win, now they just gave the Cowboys a chance into the top 10 of the draft.

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 26, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Lotta fight in this team. Gotta give the D tons of credit and Rex just enough, for one really nice drive and for managing the game (1 sack, 1 bs INT) well.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan has given a (4-12) from last year 2 more wins, and people already want him fired?

Please.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 26, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

F U C K

the Dallass Cowbiotches. They just lost the Red Jesus his job. HAHAHAHA. I love what's going on with the Skins. This was a real showing of charactor.

That's coaching, son.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | December 26, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

What a stupid win, now they just gave the Cowboys a chance into the top 10 of the draft.

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 26, 2010 4:25 PM |

Loser talk you always try and win the game otherwise you are a loser.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 26, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Screw draft position. If we have a competent FO, then they will do a good job regardless of where we pick.

I will always root for a win! These guys fought there guts out!

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I repeat my argument for months

Barnes n Landry will be our starting safties

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 26, 2010 4:24 PM

It will be nice if Barnes can become the full time FS. I like Harris as well, although he didn't play as fast as he needed to today. An offseason for both Barnes and Harris at the FS position may be the answer to that position.

Posted by: TWISI | December 26, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Who is Jerry Jones going to pick with his top 10 draft pick? Another speedy wide receiver?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely Flounder, lets go ruin the ginas parade!!

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Screw draft position. If we have a competent FO, then they will do a good job regardless of where we pick.

I will always root for a win! These guys fought there guts out!

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for a lower draft pick so we can use it on a WR or interior lineman.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 26, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

mack1 is gonna have to eat some crow and give Beantowngreg1 some props tomorrow...This is gonna be good.

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | December 26, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Fear the Turtle - Kevin Barnes

Posted by: nixx46 | December 26, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

What is so special about Rex's play, McNabb could have had a game like that!


If you have to argue about the effectiveness of either quarterback, it means you don't have one.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Good game. I like the duct tape defense.
Scamp you're right about Cooley. But wrong about the blog fighting. It's all passive aggressive. It's fighting from a safe distance. You don't get tough points for being ugly about it.

Posted by: mack1 | December 26, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Packers up early on the Ginas.

Lets make sure NY doesn't get into the playoffs.

Defense played a great game today.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 26, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Postgame Wrap


1) Is anyone excited that we won this game?

2) Rex Grossman played very much like Rex Grossman

3) Brandon Randle El has really tapered off in the last half of the season.

4) Rob Jackson with a decent showing

5) Carlos Rogers got his INT then immediately tweaked a calf so that he wouldn't ruin the rest of the day for himself

6) Our Wildcat looks really stink

7) Cooley, WTH?

8) Macho Harris is not the answer at safety

9) We are clearly up to the challenge of an MJD-less Jaguars team. Woo-hoo.

10) Fear the Turtle

Posted by: p1funk | December 26, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for a lower draft pick so we can use it on a WR or interior lineman.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 26, 2010 4:32 PM

That would be a waste of a top 10 pick. No OL is this year is worth a top 10 pick, and WR is the wrong way to go. Though we may have lost out on Fairley.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for a lower draft pick so we can use it on a WR or interior lineman.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 26, 2010 4:32 PM

Or to increase the ability to trade back to acquire a pick or two while using the first rounder on a qb.

Posted by: TWISI | December 26, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Of course nothing beats looking for the negatives in a win. Way to go p1funk! This is an ugly team, but they did not quit on their coach like you have.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Kerz, nice Gibbs reference. I take my hat off to Anthony Bryant, Chris Wilson and Rob Jackson. All3 are solid young depth and possibly a future starter in that bunch. I still think Barnes is good depth at CB, but some potential at safety. Well done D. Still say we need to resign Toast.
We will at least finish NO Worse than Dallas!

Clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 26, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

This was a real showing of character.


Sure was.

A road game in an empty stadium against a team in the playoff hunt usually culminates in a listless effort.

The skins played hard and showed plenty of energy.

The young defenders getting onfield time--Jarmon, Barnes, Jackson--all stood out.

R Jackson all by himself impressed this viewer.

Perhaps the culture of fear imposed by M Shanahan pisses off the vets and pleases the young'ns--they seem to be thriving.


Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Wait...wait...wait...Carlos Rogers got an INT?! What is this?! Christmas?!
Nice job!!

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | December 26, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Of course nothing beats looking for the negatives in a win. Way to go p1funk! This is an ugly team, but they did not quit on their coach like you have.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse


Way to look for negatives in my post.

I gave props to Jackson and Barnes. Forgive me if I'm not ecstatic that we shut down Rashad Jennings. Frankly, I'd rather have the draft position, but oh, well.

Mike Shanahan isn't my coach, nincompoop. Don't be such a sap.

Posted by: p1funk | December 26, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

3) Brandon Randle El has really tapered off in the last half of the season.

With all due respect, remember that Brandon Banks had knee surgery at the half way point of the season. He could have been IR'd. the knee surgery has obviously affected his production.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | December 26, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Rogers only caught that cause there was no pressure, we're out of the playoffs. Plus he bobbled it.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | December 26, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

If you take anything away from this win it's this..... You should now understand that Shanahan is trying to BUILD a winning football team!! Give the man some time before calling for his head folks.

Posted by: skins91r | December 26, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

There go those draft pics and for what?

Know what you need to know now about Rex there Shannie? Any how about you Shannie Jr. .. I'm sure you'll leak out during the coming week how Rex didn't follow the system. Absent a few moments of stupidity by Jax, Rex's performance would be front and center.

Oh well, let the butt-covering begin.

Posted by: tslats | December 26, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

3) Brandon Randle El has really tapered off in the last half of the season.

With all due respect, remember that Brandon Banks had knee surgery at the half way point of the season. He could have been IR'd. the knee surgery has obviously affected his production.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | December 26, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse


Thanks for offering me due respect.

If Banks is gimpy with the knee then continuing to play him in meaningless games is stupid.

Posted by: p1funk | December 26, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Good game. I like the duct tape defense.
Scamp you're right about Cooley. But wrong about the blog fighting. It's all passive aggressive. It's fighting from a safe distance. You don't get tough points for being ugly about it.

Posted by: mack1 | December 26, 2010 4:34 PM |

A good point.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

And oh, I forgot.

Anthony Bryant did a fine job of holding the point at nose tackle.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Your right p1funk, MS would only be your coach if you were a Skins fan. My apologies.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Janakowski just kicked a 55+ yard field goal.

Raiders v. Colts is a good one.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

And oh, I forgot.

Anthony Bryant did a fine job of holding the point at nose tackle.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse


Bryant can definitely keep a spot as a rotation NT guy. We still need to get Ngata.

Carriker also seemed to have one of his better games, particularly in the first half.

Also, I'm all for letting Rogers walk and holding onto Philip Buchanon for another year. We need a future solution at that #2 CB position, but we really don't lose much from Rogers to Buchanon, IMO. I really hope we let someone else overpay Los.

Posted by: p1funk | December 26, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I really thought the McNabb move would split the team and that Shanahan would wind up losing control.

Gotta' give the players congrats for not giving up. They've played hard these past two weeks.

And for Shanahan for keeping things afloat.

Re Newton: I think the Skins will have to pass on him if he's available. Just too much of a risk (one year and in a freelance offense) and they've got needs that they have to fill.

Just too risky.


Posted by: SteveMG | December 26, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

What is so special about Rex's play, McNabb could have had a game like that! The difference was actually the defense. Maybe it is a personality issue between the Shanahans and McNabb. What a stupid win, now they just gave the Cowboys a chance into the top 10 of the draft.

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 26, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

1st- Rex didn't have a great game. I think you missed the point. The point was to showcase the offensive system. Rex never looked this good at Chicago. He still has his quirks, but shows the offense can win games.

2nd- You keep DM5 and your high draft picks, I'll take practice squad, undrafted free agents like Banks, Armstrong, Etc. with character and a will to win anyday. Dallas has more "talent" on their team this year and see where that got them.

Posted by: rodskin | December 26, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Bryant can definitely keep a spot as a rotation NT guy. We still need to get Ngata.

Carriker also seemed to have one of his better games, particularly in the first half.

Also, I'm all for letting Rogers walk and holding onto Philip Buchanon for another year. We need a future solution at that #2 CB position, but we really don't lose much from Rogers to Buchanon, IMO. I really hope we let someone else overpay Los.

Posted by: p1funk | December 26, 2010 4:57 PM

Agree on points one and two, not so much on three.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I'll take practice squad, undrafted free agents like Banks, Armstrong, Etc. with character and a will to win anyday.

Posted by: rodskin | December 26, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I guess you'll also be taking 6-10 records every year.

But hey, at least they will lose with character...

Posted by: p1funk | December 26, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Also, I'm all for letting Rogers walk and holding onto Philip Buchanon for another year. We need a future solution at that #2 CB position, but we really don't lose much from Rogers to Buchanon, IMO. I really hope we let someone else overpay Los.

Posted by: p1funk | December 26, 2010 4:57 PM

What are your thoughts on Patrick Peterson? (hope you don't take my critique personal)

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

CHRIS COOLEY IS SUCH A LOSER, A MEAN'' THIS DUDE IS ALWAYS DROPPING THE BALL. HE'S GETTING ON MY NERVES...!!!!

Posted by: brianculture | December 26, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk

I guess you'll also be taking 6-10 records every year....But hey, at least they will lose with character.


Ending the holiday season with a lil sarcasm, aren't we.

Nice.


Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I'll take practice squad, undrafted free agents like Banks, Armstrong, Etc. with character and a will to win anyday.

Posted by: rodskin | December 26, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I guess you'll also be taking 6-10 records every year.

But hey, at least they will lose with character...

Posted by: p1funk | December 26, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Funny, name the top draft picks on the patriots... and dont say Brady he was picked in the 6th.

I'm not saying I don't want picks, but this guy was saying we should throw the game to get better picks...winning is always better, character is the way gibbs teams won, not with top draft quarter backs.

Posted by: rodskin | December 26, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Peterson Bio
Courtesy: LSUsports.net
Release: 12/22/2010
2010 Bednarik Award Winner (Nation's Top Defender)
2010 Thorpe Award Winner (Nation's Top Defensive Back)
2010 Consensus All-America
2010 First-Team All-America (AP, AFCA Coaches, Walter Camp, Football Writers Association of America, CBSsports.com, Rivals.com, SI.com, CollegeFootballNews.com)
2010 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Coaches)
2010 Southeastern Conference Special Teams Player of the Year (Coaches)
2010 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference Defense (AP, Coaches)
2010 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference Special Teams (Coaches)
2010 Second-Team All-Southeastern Conference All-Purpose (AP)
2010 SEC Special Teams Player of the Week (vs. North Carolina, vs. West Virginia)
2010 Lott IMPACT Player of the Week (vs. North Carolina, vs. Alabama)
2010 Hornung Award Versatile Performance (vs. North Carolina)
2010 Jim Thorpe Award Player of the Week (vs. Mississippi State)
2009 Second-Team All-America (Sporting News)
2009 First-Team All-SEC (ESPN)
2009 Second-Team All-SEC (AP, Coaches)

CAREER
The only player in LSU history to have scored at least one touchdown in these three categories: an interception return, a blocked field goal and punt return (twice) ... One of the top cornerbacks and return specialists in college football ... Routinely draws the assignment of covering the opponent's best receiver, no matter where they line up on the field ... Has great feet and outstanding speed ... Was laser-timed at 4.37 in the 40-yard dash during the spring ... Named by ESPN's Bruce Feldman as one college football's "Freaks" because of his size, speed and strength ... Squats 535 pounds and benches 335 ... Also has a 39-inch vertical jump and went 11-feet, 1-inch in the broad jump ... Very physical at the line of scrimmage ... Serves as LSU's punt return specialist as well as a kickoff returner in 2010 ... Emerged as a starter at cornerback for the Tigers in November of his true freshman season and he never relinquished the role ... Has competed in 38 career games - 29 starts - to go with 129 tackles, 22 PBUs and seven interceptions.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Open question:

Don't we receive draft compensation of either either Rogers or McIntosh move on?

Too, what's the likelihood that one of them--McIntosh--getting franchised tagged?

Just askin'.....

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Oy, Troy Smith was lucky that Singletary didn't crock him.

Some coaches you can mess with (I think); Singletary isn't one of them.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 26, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

mack1 is gonna have to eat some crow and give Beantowngreg1 some props tomorrow...This is gonna be good.

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | December 26, 2010 4:33 PM

Did NASCAR become cool when I wasn't looking? Why do you think I'll be eating crow?

Posted by: mack1 | December 26, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

What are your thoughts on Patrick Peterson?

I say Janoris Jenkins--cb, UF can be had in round 4.

That's what I say about Petersen.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Jets lose by a "foot"........


Keep Rogers at a decent mid range salary. Both him and Rocky are unrestricted at the end of the year.

Clegg

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | December 26, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The difference Moe is that one is a 1st game starter and one is not. Oh, and size matters too.

Cornerback Janoris Jenkins, Florida (Junior):


Janoris Jenkins is blessed with elite cover corner skills.
The Skinny: This Florida defensive back has all the tools to be an effective starting NFL cornerback. The thing about Jenkins that will really make teams sit up and take notice is his ability to perform on an island with little to no safety help—he has lockdown cover corner potential—something every team can use. The third-year cover man is so effective due to his smooth, fluid and explosive hips. The two biggest issues of concern to NFL decision makers are his lack of size and his off-field conduct. Jenkins is skinny and needs to add a good 15 pounds. The other troublesome aspect has to do with his character: Jenkins has an arrest record from an incident outside a Florida bar and most NFL teams will not stop their background checks there. The SEC product has volatile draft stock entering the 2010 college season. However, we still believe that even at the low end Jenkins would project no worse than a day two pick, one who will crack the top 100 should he decide to declare following his junior campaign. Even though he will have just completed his junior year prior to the 2011 NFL Draft he will be uniquely qualified to help an NFL team from day one. At the end of the day if Jenkins can beef up to around 200 pounds and show the strength required to jam big boys at the line, he might end up sneaking into the first round of the upcoming draft. We expect Jenkins to submit his name to the NFL advisory committee before making his decision. Because of his high ceiling, unless he receives a first round or at least an early second round grade, the Gator should consider returning for his senior campaign and enter the 2011 season as the top senior cornerback prospect in college football.

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 26, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Did NASCAR become cool when I wasn't looking? Why do you think I'll be eating crow?

Posted by: mack1 | December 26, 2010 5:15 PM
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Because everytime greg suggested giving Barnes PT, you seemed to think he was no better than the guys ahead of him on the depth chart.

At this juncture, I'd say you are in the minority if you don't think Barnes is an upgrade over Moore. Which means greg was initially correct.

I know you'll do the right thing.

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | December 26, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

kerzon

.. Jenkins would project no worse than a day two pick,...

I guess it depends on how you want to use your 1st and 2nd round pick.

Me?: pick 1 is a quarterback.

Pick 2 is a defensive tackle/nose guard or
best interior offensive lineman.

I don't see taking a corner on day one, and I think that despite what folks think about him, CR22 is worth holding on to.

You can use a day 2 pick in Jenkins (or a drafted free safety).

Yes, Petersen is good.

But we don't have the luxury of using day one picks on a cornerback.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 26, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The Jets get in the playoffsbecause of Gano's field goal...I bet Rex wants to make love to Gano's right foot tonight

Posted by: dchandl3 | December 26, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins draft Cb with that first pick, I'm gonna loose it, unless Dl, OLb, OL had been addressed in FA.

Posted by: TWISI | December 26, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Because everytime greg suggested giving Barnes PT, you seemed to think he was no better than the guys ahead of him on the depth chart.

At this juncture, I'd say you are in the minority if you don't think Barnes is an upgrade over Moore. Which means greg was initially correct.

I know you'll do the right thing.

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | December 26, 2010 5:37 PM

You missed the point. I'm no fan of Moore. And I'm not opposed to playing Barnes or Harris or Austin or even Grossman. I give the wicked retard, and other just like him, crap for constantly pining for guys on the practice squad or bench. They think that dudes who don't play just have to be better than the ones who do. They think the coaches can't judge the players they see every week and they get all excited about third stringers they think they saw lighting it up during the preseason. The less they know about a player, the better the player. You know, idiocy.

Posted by: mack1 | December 26, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

The worst play of the game:

"The Redskins' final drive of regulation could get no further than the Washington 49-yard line. On third-and-10, Grossman rolled left and was sacked for a 10 yard loss."

What was that? Who the hell designed that play?! That was the dumbest play-call! Are the coaches trying to sabotage the game? Looks like it to me.

The best play of the game:

"On Jacksonville's first possession in overtime, Washington sent pressure right at Jacksonville quarterback David Garrard, who forced a bad pass to the right side. Washington safety Kevin Barnes stepped in front of tight end Marcedes Lewis to make the interception"

It was #95 Chris Wilson who broke through and nearly sacked Garrard. That was the biggest play right there. Former U of MD cornerback Kevin Barnes #25 made his first NFL interception and that was great to see!

Posted by: RedCherokee | December 26, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

A win is a win. Even ugly wins count.

This V came with a lot of starters out!
That shows the character of the players who stepped in and gutted it out.

I'll take a win over a loss any time, how it impacts the draft order, we'll soon find out.

Too many holes to fill with just 7 picks. Missing the 3rd & 4th rounders hurts more now that we know its a 1-and-done QB deal.

I hope $nyder and ShanAllan go deep with FAs. Club needs to get younger, more talented with depth on both sides of the ball.

Apologies for being redundant.

Posted by: psssst | December 26, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Kyle Shanahan's scheme not one iota, for me it's all about experience and putting in the time and Kyle Shanahan posses neither one of those traits. I think everyone realizes that the Shannahan's aren't going anywhere so with that in mind where is this team headed?

Posted by: dargregmag | December 26, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I'll take it. Half the team is down, and these newbies will make great replacement players (scabs) next season.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 26, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what it is about quarterback? The Redskins HAVE ONLY WON 1 superbowl with a #1 draft pick QB. And he was originally drafted by the TB Bucs? The only other was inactive for the superbowl relegated to the stands. Check it out.

The Ravens do draft QB's in the first round but too often let them go as they end up as journeyman QB's after a time. The Ravens almost always win and make the playoffs so by the time they draft much of the better talent is gone.

The Redskins can win with Rex Grossman, Alex Smith and as we have now seen Jason Campbell. Do you people never learn?

The Redskins need to draft lineman not skill players. They can easily acquire a free agent QB. The once vaunted 4-3 defense is in a shambles after converting to a 3-4. They still desperately need offensive linemen. This can only be ameliorated through the draft not free agency.

And you want to draft a quarterback? Let's see there was Heath Schuler, Patrick Ramsey, and most recently Jason Campbell all drafted in the first round? Let's not even go there with wide receivers. And they've had more success drafting running backs in the 2nd - 9th rounds. Riggins, Rogers et al were drafted by other teams first and signed as free agents right? But they won't get a top OT that way? And look what happened when everyone wanted a pass rushing line? Well you've got that along with the one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

They need to draft a nose tackle and defensive tackle/ends. They need OT/G's. They need a center first. They could use a new defensive coordinator (again!).

Posted by: periculum | December 26, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Props to the coaching staff for this win, truly a team win today - great job specifically by Coach Haslett for putting together a winning gameplan on D with a shorthanded team

Everytime that the announcer on TV mentioned that the RB from Jax was missing, I wanted to remind him about the majority of our defense missing

It amazes me that the team is 2-5 at home this year - draw your own conclusions

Speaks volumes that this team was ready to play when many would have packed in it - there were many excuses available

I would hate to lose any game in a professional league on purpose in an attempt to receive a higher draft pick - if you like a guy that much you just trade up for him

That would be even more of any embarrassment for the organization - if there ever existed such a thing

We should draft a franchise QB next draft and not look back - 10 to 15 years of stability at that position should be offseason priority number one - no more quick fixes

Posted by: dabwilldo40 | December 26, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe I actually agree with perineum. First time ever!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe I actually agree with perineum. First time ever!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 6:28 PM

the only problem I have with the theory is that Early round one is a little too early to be drafting Oline unless its LT. So I would go NT. Only problem here is that I don't know of any NT's this year worthy of that pick...dilemma. So do you take BPA? I say yes, even if it's a QB.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins HAVE ONLY WON 1 superbowl with a #1 draft pick QB.


...and just how long ago was that again?

Oh, I remember: it occured back during the time when passing wasn't the essence of professional football.

What happened 25 years ago should not dictate what we do to build for the next 5 years.

Plus, we may have 6-10 picks next Spring: and taking 1 quarterback still leaves you with enough to draft linemen.

So let go all that nonsense that taking 1 player at 1 position somehow means you can't draft or use FA to satisfy the others.

Whether it be the 1st pick or the 2nd, the team needs a young signal caller.

The NFL is a passing league today.

Stop livin' in the 1980s and quoting Gibbs 1.0 as if that's the end all to developing a football team.

Please.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

The NFL is a passing league today.
Stop livin' in the 1980s and quoting Gibbs 1.0 as if that's the end all to developing a football team.
Posted by: gimmesummoe

Nice post, problem is too many won't let those facts stop them from their obsession with all things 80's.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 26, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

So do you take BPA? I say yes, even if it's a QB.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Ding ding. IMO BPA will be Dlineman or OLB, unless the skins trade back. I look at the pass plays called in today's game, and I think of Locker first, Newton second, and Ponder third. These guys have shown the ability to make plays outside the box with their arms or legs. When Grossman ran boot to the left, he had plenty of space to create with his legs, but he couldn't. If Shanny wants his young qb, he can be had in the mid first to mid second round. If the Skins trade back in the first round, my money will on them drafting ab in the first.

Posted by: TWISI | December 26, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

The Skins list of what they don't need is rather short IMO. SS, LT, DB? (maybe could use but sufficient comared to other areas of need), therefore, they need to package their highest pick/s to trade down and get more picks to upgrade their roster with young talent.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 26, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

And you want to draft a quarterback? Let's see there was Heath Schuler, Patrick Ramsey, and most recently Jason Campbell all drafted in the first round?


We've also had failures at other positions where we've drafted players.

I guess the fear of past failure should govern all decision-making about the future.

Chad Rhinehart failed, so let's not draft guards.

Tom Carter bombed, so let's not draft cornerbacks.

Jim Molinaro failed, so ler's not draft tackles.

Taylor Jacobs and Rod Gardner failed, so give up drafting wide receivers.

Me?: I say you evalute the process by which you evaluate the players you draft as giving up drafting what you need because some dude failed back in the day is down right daffy.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

cleveland browns have a great oline and strong run game and a record worse than ours

Posted by: hcic55 | December 26, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

The Skins list of what they don't need is rather short IMO. SS, LT, DB? (maybe could use but sufficient comared to other areas of need), therefore, they need to package their highest pick/s to trade down and get more picks to upgrade their roster with young talent.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 26, 2010 6:50 PM

Add TE and I'd say that's the list. I don't think we need a RT either. I think Brown has improved dramatically recently. That's why I say BPA. We need damn near everything.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I beat the drum as loud or louder than anyone for building the O line, but I still say we take QB in round 1. Grossman is a total noodle arm who might be able to hold the fort for a year if we are lucky, and we're gonna say goodbye to McNabb.

I think we have a better chance of finding a viable solution at Center and Guard in FA than I do of finding a winner at QB.

Posted by: edvar | December 26, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

So will Norv be available to replace Kyle S. this off-season? Predictions?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

So will Norv be available to replace Kyle S. this off-season? Predictions?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 6:54 PM |

Thats just what we need another offense to learn why don't any of you have any patience. We need to stay the corse for 5-6 years this constant turnover never works in the NFL.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 26, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I predict kyle s stays and does well

Posted by: hcic55 | December 26, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Yes Scamp, you are right, forgot TE. J Brown has inproved, maybe we could squeeze a couple years from him there. BPA or if we can trade back for multiple picks.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 26, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Say goodnight Ginas.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

twisi

...and Ponder third.

I think Iowa's Rick Stanzi might fly below the radar, too.

He's not flashy, but he's a multiple year starter in a solid, pro-type offensive system.

Remember: guys who are multiple year starters in NFL-lite offensive systems have a quicker and easier time at adjusting to the league.

Ponder or Stanzi would be nice pick ups to sit behind Rex.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

cleveland browns have a great oline and strong run game and a record worse than ours

Posted by: hcic55 | December 26, 2010 6:51 PM


I always hate this argument...

How's there D?
How are ST's?
Yes, you still need a good QB.
Yes you still need effective WR's.

T'is a team sport, last time I checked...

Posted by: edvar | December 26, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 26, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Flound, your sarcasm meter is as finely tuned as ever.

Really, more than one person thought I was serious? Yipes, maybe that's on me. Shouldn't have thrown in the extra "Predictions."

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 26, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Skins should draft a lineman. They have one of the NFL's worst lines. And Gibbs 1.0 showed you can have 3 decent QBs and win titles as long as you have a decent line.

Skins will draft a QB. Snyder likes guys who sell jerseys so we'll burn a pick on a QB and end up 5-11 again.

Build the line, get a decent RB (they are truly a dime a dozen), and once we can block on offense and have a disruptive NT on defense, then the Skins can add a QB.

Posted by: calhokie | December 26, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

QB has to be drafted.

Will probably be Locker.

Then load up on OL/DL.

The bigger the better.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 26, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

cleveland browns have a great oline and strong run game and a record worse than ours

Posted by: hcic55 | December 26, 2010 6:51 PM


I always hate this argument...

How's there D?
How are ST's?
Yes, you still need a good QB.
Yes you still need effective WR's.

T'is a team sport, last time I checked...

Posted by: edvar | December 26, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse
There D is better than the pats 28th ranked D but who has a QB playing lights out

Posted by: hcic55 | December 26, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

As I see it, the biggest need in Free Agency and the draft is the interior of the offensive and defensive lines.

Anthony Bryant should be resigned but we need a big space eating NT to keep guards off our linebackers.

The biggest issue is replacing our guards. Montgomery or 'Steiger could be given a shot at centre, but at the very least we need two much better guards.

I'd like them to try to trade McNabb and Haynesworth for veterans on other teams. Low round draft picks are massively over-rated in trade deals. I think we would probably get better value trading our unwanted veterans for veterans on other teams nearing the end of their contracts.

Having a lot of draft picks would be great, but it is rare to get good value in trades. Even first round picks are little more than a 50:50 shot at a useful player, and we are unlikely to get anything above a fourth for any of the players on our roster.

So, if we can I hope we swap some of our more valuable skill position players for veteran linemen of similar age and skill. If we can't I hope we can trade down in to the bottom of the first or the top of the second and make the first pick a guard or nose tackle


Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | December 26, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: edvar | December 26, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse
There D is better than the pats 28th ranked D but who has a QB playing lights out

Posted by: hcic55 | December 26, 2010 7:07 PM

Kind of hard to argue against Brady.

Posted by: edvar | December 26, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Bryant can definitely keep a spot as a rotation NT guy. We still need to get Ngata.

Carriker also seemed to have one of his better games, particularly in the first half.

Also, I'm all for letting Rogers walk and holding onto Philip Buchanon for another year. We need a future solution at that #2 CB position, but we really don't lose much from Rogers to Buchanon, IMO. I really hope we let someone else overpay Los.

Posted by: p1funk | December 26, 2010 4:57 PM

Agree on points one and two, not so much on three.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse
Cosign, scamp. I like Buchanon, and want to keep him. But I also like Los. As long as his demands are not too high, we should resign him. One less hole to fill.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 26, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Looking at our roster, we need help in most every area but TE. If we've got a top ten pick, they're taking a QB. We've got what, 6 picks left, none in the 3rd or 4th? And I think we're getting one back from NO in the later rounds. Correct me if I'm wrong.

So here are the QBs again:

Andrew Luck -- should go #1, even though Carolina took Clausen last season.

Cam Newton -- nobody knows where he goes. Chip Kelly of Oregon noted he's different from Terrelle Pryor in that Auburn has a lot of designed runs for him -- he's as much RB as passer. Pryor's come off scrambles and roll-outs.

Ryan Mallett -- slipped a little, but hard to see him leaving the top dozen picks. Just a big guy with a rocket arm and not all that much accuracy.

Jake Locker - had the worst season imaginable but remains a great athlete. Not the runner Newton is, but just a half-step down in terms of mobility. Cutler-like in that respect.

Blaine Gabbert -- shorter and faster than Mallett, but comes out of that gimmicky Missouri offense. Will need adjustment, but Chase Daniel did all right...

If I was a betting man, I'd bet they take a QB if the pick is low enough, and look for WR help in free agency...

Posted by: Samson151 | December 26, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Open question:

Don't we receive draft compensation of either either Rogers or McIntosh move on?

Too, what's the likelihood that one of them--McIntosh--getting franchised tagged?

Just askin'.....

Posted by: gimmesummoe | December 26, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Yes, we would receive compensation forLOs or McIntosh. Unfortunately, I think compensation comes a year later, in the 2012 draft.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 26, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

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