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Redskins Make A Big Hire

(This is gonna read like a print edition news story, cuz, well, it is. Pressed for time to get this in the first edition of the paper. Will blog more on it Tues and Wed, but I hear nothing but good things about Morocco Brown, and this could be someone groomed for even bigger things down the road. Okay, here's the story)

The Washington Redskins will hire Morocco Brown to be the team's new director of pro personnel, according to league and team sources, completing the reshaping of the front office under new vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato.

Brown, a native of Hampton and a former assistant scout with Washington, replaces Louis Riddick, who was released recently from the organization. Brown has agreed to start work in Washington next month, sources said, and has informed the Bears of his decision.

Brown had been the assistant director of pro personnel for the Chicago Bears since 2001, earning a reputation as a bright prospect in their organization, league sources said, and someone the franchise did not want to lose. Brown becomes the third-highest ranking official in Washington's organization behind Cerrato and Scott Campbell, who was promoted to director of player personnel shortly after coach and team president Joe Gibbs resigned. Brown worked under Cerrato with Washington and has strong ties to the area.

The Redskins overhauled the coaching and organizational hierarchy after Gibbs's sudden departure, with Cerrato now the central figure in the football operations. Riddick had been with the team for seven years, Cerrato's longtime assistant, and Brown will now have a significant role in helping identify and evaluate talent throughout the NFL, as well as within Washington's roster.

Brown, whose father, Charles, was a former assistant football coach at Hampton University, was a linebacker for North Carolina State from 1994-1997. Brown did not play professionally but worked for the Indianapolis Colts after graduation and then joined the Redskins as an intern in 2000. With the Redskins front office in transition in 2001, and Marty Schottenheimer taking over both coaching and personnel duties, Brown left for the opportunity to assist Bears pro personnel director Bobby DePaul in Chicago.

Brown left an impression in Washington, however, and in a 2001 interview with WolfpackChicago,com (a website devoted to NC State grads in that area), he said that owner Daniel Snyder mentioned him by name during an organizational meeting following the firing of head coach Norv Turner during the 2000 season.

"The Redskins called a meeting and Mr. Snyder came to address the entire organization," Brown told WolfpackChicago.com . " They said there were two people doing an excellent job...Morocco and the janitor."

Brown's brother, Milan, is the head basketball coach at Mount St. Mary's in Maryland, and his brother, Marseille, was a collegiate athlete as well.

The Redskins are unlikely to hire a new college scouting director following Campbell's promotion, with Campbell slated to continue traveling to college games and overseeing the college scouts. So with Alex Santos promoted to a pro scout last week, all voids in the football ops department are now filled.

By Jason La Canfora  |  May 19, 2008; 8:28 PM ET
 
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Comments

First?

Posted by: A Fan | May 19, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Morocco, Millan and Marseille?

Ouch.

Second?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

was lorenzo alexander the janitor back then?

Posted by: dwdjmu | May 19, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

So, is Jasno becoming a believer? Well, maybe for the print edition he has to cover up his feelings. Tuesday and Wednesday he can explain up here why this guy's the devil's spawn.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 19, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Well like Jasno said, for better or worse this is Vinny's team. Good to see that we finally have a GM who will be held responsible for the team's performance.

Posted by: david | May 19, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

so what was the janitor's name?
geez - give us the important facts please

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

He never even played professionally. He was an intern fer cryin' out loud. One can only guess why his father doesn't coach anymore.

Posted by: Jasno tomorrow | May 19, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Come on haters - Jasno called his (probably limited) sources in the NFL and Chicago and they gave the dude the thumbs up. He sounds good to me. Let's just be supportive of the idea of rebuilding a good personnel organization, and hope for the best.

When Jasno uses the same sources, and reports the same consensus view except it is bad (others in NFL think it is not a good idea to do X) you haters jump all over it. So give Jasno and the Redskins props for now, unless you have something else specific to say.

Posted by: zornskins | May 19, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

cool newz

Posted by: chris Larry | May 19, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

F cL

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

nice....back atcha anon...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 19, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

F cL and the pig he rode in on

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

and a wonderful goodnight to you as well anon, best to you and yours...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 19, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

get bent

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

so much love up here

Posted by: drbatchelor | May 19, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

attacks aside...

This seems like promising move. Good young hungry talent, someone from outside the organization, potential future GM and coming from a front office that was widely respected...

Looking forward to the Fall more everyday...

and let me beat you to it...f cL and his donkey...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 19, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

i think actual news killed the blog!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 19, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: BigMurf08 | May 19, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I have to say I've never heard of this dude before. And I think I'd remember a name like that one.

I'm doing the math... seems pretty young, right? This is another step in something of a yoot movement at the Park?

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Love the little vignette in that story, the speech in which Danny belittles everyone in the organization -- every single employee of our beloved team -- by making this snap judgment and denigrating them by comparing them to Morocco Brown and the janitor.

Love thinking about how very, very little he knew back then, when he'd only just purchased the team and was chomping at the bit because they didn't win the Super Bowl immediately after he'd taken the reins.

Love the thought that one of the guys handing him fubbal expertise back then was Pepper freakin' Rodgers.

Love the picture of him making this speech to the entire organization, this self-important little media/marketing/communications know-it-all, telling all these career football people how terrible they were at their jobs.

Ugh.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

who cares if something reads like a "blog" or a print story or a limerick - just celebrate the most stunning Redskins story in history - almost as exciting as the competition between punters.

Posted by: nativedc | May 19, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

pepper f'ing rodgers.

what dark years they were.

Posted by: dwdjmu | May 19, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

"Morocco and the Janitor" sounds like a vintage 70s knockoff of "Sanford and Son."

Posted by: farstriker | May 19, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

problem is, little Danny was probably right.

I mean, Norv F'in Turner, the Manchurian Coach.

Couldn't kick him in the teeth hard enough.

Posted by: cload & daggar | May 19, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this is one of the great Danny stories. Let's recap: Brown joined the Redskins as an intern in 2000. He left in 2001, in the wake of the Norv Turner firing.

Here's his golden recollection of that special time:

"The Redskins called a meeting and Mr. Snyder came to address the entire organization," Brown told WolfpackChicago.com . " They said there were two people doing an excellent job...Morocco and the janitor."

=========================

Wow.

Okay, so Danny addresses THE ENTIRE organization and says two people are doing an excellent job--the intern and the janitor.

Folks, that's people skills--you just can't coach or teach that up. That, you're born with, is all.

Posted by: farstriker | May 19, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

In other words, what Nate said.

Posted by: farstriker | May 19, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

++++The Redskins called a meeting and Mr. Snyder came to address the entire organization," Brown told WolfpackChicago.com . " They said there were two people doing an excellent job...Morocco and the janitor."+++


A pack of Lies:

Morocco & the Janitor was an ABC sitcom cancelled after the first season.

Posted by: CORKCZAR | May 19, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

This post is like a fine wine. It bears sipping, revisiting, mulling.

. . .

Brown's brother, Milan, is the head basketball coach at Mount St. Mary's in Maryland, and his brother, Marseille, was a collegiate athlete as well.

Morocco,
Milan,
and
Marseille

My hat is off to you, father Brown.

The more I think about it, this may be my all-time favorite RI post

Posted by: farstriker | May 19, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

ABC sitcom? Nah.

Wasn't "Morocco and the Janitor" that fusion Starsky-and-Hutch meets Sanford-and-Son action-comedy that ran on NBC for two years in the late 70s? You can still catch reruns on TV-Land.

Posted by: farstriker | May 19, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

savory.

savory indeed.

Posted by: dwdjmu | May 19, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

So what's your favorite "Morocco and the Janitor" episode?

Mine is the one where Morocco's car got towed for unpaid parking tickets and he had to borrow the janitor's old jalopy, Bessy, to follow the bad guys, and the janitor insisted on coming with him and driving because he "didn't let Bessy out alone at night," and the bad guys jumped them, and the janitor rode Bessy over the hood of the bad guys' car, and then they hooked bumpers and ended up pulling the bad guys stuck in their car to the police station, where they got a reward that just paid for the unpaid parking tickets, leading the janitor and Moroco to end the show with their inevitable catch phrase, "Excellent job, Morocco." "Not too bad yourself--for a janitor!"

Posted by: farstriker | May 20, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

It was Morocco and the Janitor, then Dan came in and changed it to Chico and the Man.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 20, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Do you feel it? Can you smell it in the air? That tingly exciting feeling that you get when you know you're in line for something fantastic, but don't know what. To tell you the truth, I wish Michael Wilbon would leave e.s.p.n. and get into a front office either with the Redskins or the Wizards. Listening to him, his analysis towards REAL outlooks about what these teams really need is refreshingly tasteful. Maybe he's honest because he's insulated by the network's legal team, but how about consulting? Dan Snyder and Ernie Grunfield should tap into this man's storage unit of knowledge and even if they don't act on what he may give them, they should at least listen. Now... I'm no Mike Wilbon, but I'm no slouch, either. The hiring of Mr. Brown only reinforces my belief that the Redskins are about a short hair away from being a perennial contender, like we USED TO BE. Remember the days when we were feared? Respected? No one wanted to play us because we'd give them the blues. Now teams see us on the schedule and they circle the game as a breather, the coaches rest their star players against us, second and third string players beat us up...we need to have bracelets made that say W.W.W.D? (What would Wilbon Do?)

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Posted by: thomas pace | May 20, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

The good news is that the janitor was finally promoted to the GM position this year.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Anyone have any good porn suggestions? I've torn through my usual go to's.

How about any stock tips?

Posted by: LD | May 20, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: knightwolfe871 | May 20, 2008 12:16 AM


You sir, are an idiot. Hiring a intern is brining us back to the glory days?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

+++It was Morocco and the Janitor, then Dan came in and changed it to Chico and the Man.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 20, 2008 12:08 AM+++

uh-huh. Then the Janitor got spun off into "Scrubs."

LOVE when The Janitor on Scrubs said he had a secret, he'd been in "The Fugitive." Then of course he shows a clip form he movie and he was--he played the copy who was shot on the subway near the end.

What too obscure?

Posted by: Corkczar | May 20, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

farstriker,

i just laughingly read your post to my girlfriend, who's a tough critic.

we agree that your last "morocco and the janitor" post was the funniest thing she'd heard all week.

you really should feel good about that post.

solid, solid work my friend.

Posted by: dwdjmu | May 20, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, dwdjmu.

If your GF really is a tough critic, you may want to lay off reading RI to her. There's a lot of chaff here.

Besides, there's a "Morocco and the Janitor" marathon on.

Right now they're showing the classic episode where Morocco fills in for the janitor, who's visiting his aunt Etta in Antietam, and Morocco busts a water pipe in the basement, and ends up having to paddle out of the front door in a rowboat. Fortunately the flood causes a carton of counterfeit 100 bills to burst, and it turns out that one of the tenants is a wanted counterfeiter that Morocco had been looking for, and the reward is enough to pay for fixing the flood and buying Aunt Etta a really nice birthday hat, with flowers.

After that's the one where Morocco and the janitor go camping for a weekend--hilarity ensues in the famous tent-pitching bit that you've probably seen on "Television's 100 Funniest Moments"--and Morocco happens to break up a gang that's rustling goats from a ranch next to the campground, but the grateful elderly lady rancher brings him a dozen goats as thanks a couple of days later, and he puts them in the basement, there's that great scene where the goats eat the tin cans off the secret robot the janitor's been working on for years. But by a stroke of luck, when the janitor sadly tosses his wrench at the ruined robot it strikes a connection that causes the robot to start dancing, and it ends up winning the Halloween dancing robot competition, and the prize money is just enough to provide a good home for the goats--and pay for a new tent.

=============================

Posted by: farstriker | May 20, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

dwd, farstriker, great seeing you guys up here. funny, funny stuff.

I read somewhere that laughter is the best medicine, and if that's true, maybe your work here will help with all the lingering aches and pains we've endured as Skins fans these past 15 or so years.

We can make it... together.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

That would take a lot of laughter, my friend.

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Posted by: Jim | May 20, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, it worked pretty well for Charles Barkley.

Give it a shot!

Posted by: Second guy--not Jim | May 20, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Did the 'skins hire a pro scout or a new crayola crayon?

The brothers sound as if they might be on the same paint sample at Sherwin-Williams.

Morocco, I'd imagine to be a tan hue while Milan to be a bit more like beige. I have no idea what shade Marseille Brown would be on the paint sample.

Posted by: bangkokben | May 20, 2008 6:02 AM | Report abuse

pepper f'ing rodgers.

what dark years they were.

Posted by: dwdjmu | May 19, 2008 10:58 PM

Hey, speak for yourself. Go Showboats!

Posted by: USFL is for US | May 20, 2008 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Morocco a country, while Milan and Marseille are mere cities?! If I were the brothers, I'd be a bit miffed at daddy. Couldn't Morocco have been Madrid or something?!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Here's my 2 cents' worth... if Morocco is anywhere as classy as his brother Milan, we've got a winner. And remember, the story said that the Bears' really tried to keep him in Chicago. I like it!

Posted by: Fred | May 20, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

The Janitor at that time was Jim Fassell. Snyder had already promised him Norv's job when he got fired.

Posted by: The Insider | May 20, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

So does that mean that Danny admits that he sucks and wasn't doing an "excellent job"?

Posted by: NFeKPo | May 20, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Marseille Brown would be on the paint sample.

Posted by: bangkokben | May 20, 2008 6:02 AM

As Marseille is a hot-bed of extreme right wing anti-immigration fascists in France, I think 'Marseille Brown' is actually likely to be closer to 'Lily White'. :)

Posted by: Redcoat | May 20, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Is this Morocco's pay back for taking AA and the 5 million last year (on Jla's advice)?

I love living in the past.

Posted by: Mul | May 20, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Good hire, seems like the Redskins are putting some good people in place. Small steps, sure, but steps in the right direction. I like it.

I like Jon Lester's no-no last night as well.

I, however don't like the Celts chances against a well rested Piston team....

Posted by: Greg | May 20, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Dan Snyder stands on a personalized burgundy and gold stool when he addreses the team with fire and brimstone speeches.

I wonder if the Janitor regularly keeps it in the bathroom, near the high urinal, with a sign "for Mr. Dan Snyder's Use Only"

Posted by: SnubNose | May 20, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Jasno spewed out too any threads in one day (one afternoon). Try and spread them out brother.

If you're going to spew, spew in this: \_/

Posted by: Dorf | May 20, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

HELLO! don't mean to knock this guy, but isn't anyone concerned that he's coming from Chicago? It's not like they've made stellar moves with their player personnel since 2001, I cite their current QB situation, or lack there of. And please the "bright prospect in their organization....and someone the franchise did not want to lose" tag just sounds too much like your buddy selling his hot GF's chubby friend that you've got to double date....hmmmm?

Posted by: saywhatagain | May 20, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"Scott Campbell, who was promoted to director of player personnel..."

"The Washington Redskins will hire Morocco Brown to be the team's new director of pro personnel..."

Ok, help me out here. What is the difference between these two positions? Is one like a deputy director to the director?

Posted by: Chris | May 20, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

saywhat, do you have any facts to back up what your point is?? When was grossman drafted? How about drafting Mark Anderson, DE, in the 5th round? How about drafting Devon Hester? Or do those not count because they are contrary to what you want your point to be?

Posted by: Greg | May 20, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Chris - The team was structured with a college personnel and pro personnel director. Campbell was the college one but got promoted to player personnel which oversees both the pro and college(all player personnel instead of one level). Seems like Campbell will still fulfill the duties of the college level in addition to overseeing it all.

Posted by: BCBarney | May 20, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Chris, I believe Brown will introduce himself as Assistant Regional Manager, but Campbell will quickly point out that he is in fact Assistant to the Regional Manager.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Director of Player Personnel (Campbell)- in charge of all scouting to include college (draft and undrafted FA's, pro (NFL, CFL), on the street, etc.

Directory of Pro Personnel (Brown)- Reports to Director of Player Personnel, responsible only for pro players (to include analysis of existing players and potential acquisitions), assists in weekly game planning, etc.

Posted by: drbatchelor | May 20, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Barney.

Posted by: Chris | May 20, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I have just one question for Morocco Brown, "Where were you when the Bears traded for Adam Archuleta?"

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 20, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Saywhat,

I admit that Chi-teago has had problems at QB, but losing a super-bowl is more then we have done in 10 years. Though I admit, I dont follow the North enough to say who is at fault for Sexy Rexy.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 20, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

saywhatagain,

If you know anything about Chicago, you'd know they have a very good football team. they have done a pretty good job drafting an an even better job in free agency and keeping their core players together. or have you forgotten that chicago is just a year removed from a superbowl?

the only problems the bears have on their team are they made a mistake drafting a running back and the powers that be love rex grossman for some reason - neither of which morocco brown had any say in.

morocco brown is an excellent hire and i dont think it will be long before he takes over campbells job. he may even replace vinny and be our GM one day.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 20, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Okay, second question for Morocco Brown: "What other colors does the wallet come in?"

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 20, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I like it, t_e.

"What did you know about the Archuleta signing, and when did you know it?"

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

AA was wanted by his former coach so the trade was made probably against Brown's (speculating) wishes. Some coaches like their former players (read Parcells). This is why it is important to have a strong GM to keep the team from making dumb mistakes.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 20, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

Another misfire by Chicago was when they refused to trade Briggs to the Redskins for the pick that became Laron Landry.

Morocco Brown must be a "character guy" who lacks a clear instinct for larceny. That's good at some positions, but in this one you're always proud of "making a steal."

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 20, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Greg, didn't the BoSox try hard to trade Jon Lester a couple years back? Or was it that other teams wanted him as part of trades trying to be made?

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 20, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Say what you will about Archuleta. He was a wash-out as a Redskin, but I'm still pulling for him tonight on American Idol. Still, when you see him on stage, it's clear that he wouldn't do well as a safety.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 20, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm just saying what's this guy done, what's his resume, save for the organization didn't want him to go? I want more than a press release from the team, Why was he considered a bright prospect? Not that we need every nitty gritty but I want more than that! ya got me on Hester, hellova pick. I wish Mr. Brown the best and hope he can work well in the Redskins FO. I just want more from the article.

Posted by: saywhatagain | May 20, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Ah, here it is: Chevrolet offers an interior color scheme for many of its vehicles which is comprised of Morocco Brown and Ebony.

http://www.myride.com/vehicle-colors-Sport_Utility_Vehicle2008-Chevrolet/Tahoe/LT2-44828.html

Art imitating life, or the other way 'round.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I just want more from the article.

Posted by: saywhatagain | May 20, 2008 10:17 AM

I want it all and I want it now!

Jasno found out about it at the end of the day and posted this on his way to the Doodlebops concert or wherever he's hanging these days. He didn't even have time to update Morocco's listing on Wikipedia.

He did say in the post above that he'd have more to say about it on the blog today and Wednesday.

Pesonally, I want a picture. And I want to know what number he will wear, the location of his parking space, and when the Morocco Brown jerseys are going on sale.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 20, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I gotta say, GM Jerry Angelo ultimately takes credit or the opposite of credit for the grievous personnel missteps the Bears have taken, right?

What I'm saying is that -- "guilt by association" aside -- I'd be hard pressed to put any more than a little bit of the blame for any particular gaffe (viz, Sexy Rexy) on our man Morocco Brown.

Ah, whatever, hail to 'em. [Continuing to scratch head in general puzzlement]

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Question for Nate:

Which lasts longer: Morocco leather or fine Corinthian leather?

I think Ricardo Montalban convinced me that, in leather, you should accept no substitutes for fine Corinthian.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 20, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Just heard on ESPN that the owners have voted unanimously to opt of of labor contract.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 20, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Curz, during the off-season, when the Twins were looking to trade Santana, they wanted Lester, Ellsbury, and either one or two additional players.


Lester battled cancer a couple of years ago, could that be it?

Posted by: Greg | May 20, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

OWNERS VOTE 32-0 TO OPT OUT OF CBA
Posted by Mike Florio on May 20, 2008, 10:08 a.m.
What a difference two years make.

In March 2006, thirty of the league's owners voted in favor of a Collective Bargaining Agreement that gives 59 percent of the total football revenues to the players. Now, all of them have voted to pull the plug on it two years early.

Per Adam Schefter of NFL Network, the owners voted unanimously on Tuesday morning not to extend the CBA through the 2012 season.

Only nine votes were necessary to kill the deal early. Presumably, the unanimous vote is the result of an effort by the owners to project a united front in their negotiations with the union. (We'd heard that Commissioner Roger Goodell was trying to get the owners to defer the decision. So much for that.)

It also makes us think that the owners aren't yet serious about worst-case scenarios like an uncapped year or a work stoppage. Instead, the 32-0 vote tells us that they see no harm in trying to negotiate a better deal. The worst-case scenario would be agreeing to the same terms that they presently intend to honor for the next three seasons.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 20, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

te, is "fine Corinthian leather" the same as "rich Corinthian leather"?? Or is one better than the other?

Posted by: Greg | May 20, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

the players need to overthrow gene upshaw if a deal that benefits the players, owners, and most importantly - the sport, is ever going to get made.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 20, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

TE,
Hopefully when your the #3 man, you don't need a parking spot, you've got a driver. Not sure about jerseys, but I would like to see a line of Morocco Brown power ties come out this fall. Morocco Brown...it just sounds like a executive men's wear company.

Posted by: saywhatagain | May 20, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Corinthian leather... yes, indeed....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIL3fbGbU2o

(Not Rick-rolling... Ricardo-rolling!)

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Lester battled cancer a couple of years ago, could that be it?


Posted by: Greg | May 20, 2008 10:28 AM

I was thinking more around the time the Sox were trying to get A Rod. Must be memory failure on my part.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 20, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Are you the dr batchelor from atlanta who is always selling mountain bikes in the classifieds?

Posted by: G | May 20, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

te, is "fine Corinthian leather" the same as "rich Corinthian leather"?? Or is one better than the other?

Posted by: Greg | May 20, 2008 10:30 AM

Well, the utube that Nate posted referred to "soft Corinthian leather." Soft? That's okay for a car seat, but not what we're looking for in a talent evaluator. Maybe that's why we went the Morocco route.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 20, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Apparently Montalban never said the phrase "rich Corinthian leather," so that's apocryphal.


t_e, Greg, this one's for you:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7h15xIoVwWw


-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

everyone knows that when you have more than one child, you should have a theme in mind when naming them. the theme of cities is great, and so is the theme of countries. but both (Morocco AND Marseille)? thats pushing the envelope a little bit.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

Okay, that used to be me. But after the beatdown I got from Redcoat, I've changed my style. I'm trying to be more like you and dcsween and less like Greg (who I also admire but am trying not to be like up here).

Surely you've noticed the difference, right? No more than one negatory comment per day, and I always post that under someone else's name, except when I forget.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 20, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Just what exactly, does, "being like Greg" entail....

Posted by: Greg | May 20, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Are you the dr batchelor from atlanta who is always selling mountain bikes in the classifieds?

Posted by: G | May 20, 2008 10:45 AM

No

Posted by: drbatchelor | May 20, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Come on, guys, I'm just joshing ya. I HAVE noticed a difference lately, in both you guys.

It's also true that the chooch factor has been dialed way back up here after an ugly period (and I include myself in that, of course!) early in the offseason and then when the registration wall tumbled down.

I like a happy blog, I'll confess. Smart, funny, hyperactive, and happy.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I love pining for Pierce, Ryan Clark, and Lavah.
I also love speculating on the cruddy Redskins draft picks.
And lastly, I love people who spew opinion and call it fact.

Posted by: not Greg | May 20, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

And lastly, I love people who spew opinion and call it fact.

Posted by: not Greg | May 20, 2008 11:43 AM

Now THERE's a big fan of this blog.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

My sofa is a morocco brown.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Isn't burgundy really a morocco brown?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Just what exactly, does, "being like Greg" entail....

Posted by: Greg | May 20, 2008 11:33 AM

douchebaggery.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

If I post, the negativity goes up...testing in 1...2..

Posted by: chris Larry | May 20, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"Douchbaggery".....well you wont have Greg to kick around any more.....

Posted by: Greg | May 20, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I *heart* anon

Posted by: not chRIs larry | May 20, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

And while I'm at it:

*heart* me

Posted by: not chRIs larry | May 20, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

F cL and the mentally challenged pig he rode in on

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

To much love up here today.

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I concur. I prefer hate and discontent.

Posted by: Barno | May 20, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The difference between the candidates...

John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama were walking down a Washington D.C. street when they came upon a homeless person. John McCain gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his office for a job. He then took $20 out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person.

Hillary was very impressed, so when they came upon another homeless person, she decided to help. She walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. She then reached into John McCain's pocket and pulled out $20. She kept $15 for her administrative fees and gave the homeless person $5.

When they came upon yet another homeless person, Obama told the homeless person to 'have hope...change is coming'...and gave him nothing.

Now, do you understand the difference?


Posted by: For Your Reading Pleasure | May 20, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Really can't comment about Redskins offseason stuff. Someone let me know when they're knocking the snot out of each other in training camp. So for now I digress...

... I think the two conference championships in the NBA are going to be great. I like L.A. out of the west. I'm not to sure about Boston/Detroit. I would like to see Boston go to the finals though. HUGE Kevin Garnett fan, and Paul Pierce is one of the most UNDERRATED and under appreciated players of all-time.

... I LOATHE the San Antonio Spurs. Great team, great player in Duncan, but I cheer for them to loose when they play. Especially against CP3 and the Hornets. My loathing will turn to all out hate when they play the mamba and the LA Lakers.

should I started and ended this post with a "non fubbal post" disclaimer?

Posted by: Red(ins) | May 20, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Uncapped year here we come! Get that checkbook out Danny let's see how high we can make our payroll go next season.

Posted by: Larry | May 20, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

What if Morocco Brown had never left Washington? How would things be different today?

1. Antonio Pierce wouldn't have left.

2. LaVar would have played every down and would still be playing.

3. Ryan Clark would still be here.

4. Brandon Lloyd would never have come.

5. We wouldn't have traded Champ.

6. We would have signed Dockery a year earlier for a platterful of ham sandwiches.

Etc. Welcome home, Morocco Brown, you've been sorely missed here.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 20, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Barno @ 12:07PM.

Dude, its bad enough to bring politics to THIS blog, but you're making your support for McCain obvious.

We know already, okay?

Please slide your chair out from the table and excuse yourself.

Thanks,
Blog consensus

Posted by: Voice of the People | May 20, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

f posting lame email joke forwards....

The NBA bored me this season, but I agree looking forward to these upcoming series...

Boston v Detroit should be great...

can't believe I am saying this but I can't stand the spurs....so GO LAKERS!

Posted by: chris Larry | May 20, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Excellent job, Morocco.

Posted by: dwdjmu | May 20, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could take credit for that nugget of wisdom. I couldn't have highlighted their differences any more succinctly.

Posted by: Barno | May 20, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Young vito/voice of the young people/mouth piece for hustlers/I'm back mother@*$&ers

Posted by: name that rhyme | May 20, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

And this is what you call a "big hire"? Jason, with all due respect, you've got to be kidding! Here's an idea for the blog. Now that Redskins are not bringing Chad Johnson, how are they going to use all the extra cap space they created? I would try to resign some of the young talented players to long-term front-loaded contracts to take advantage of the extra cap space.

Posted by: M | May 20, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

cL, are you a Knicks fan? Why the hate for the Lake?

Posted by: Red(er) | May 20, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

cL's a pig fan

F em both

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Boo on politics up here! We have so many better things to discuss.

Like this, a paint swatch of Morocco Brown (ninth one down the left side).

http://www.sa.hillman.org.au/Paint1a.htm

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Now that Redskins are not bringing Chad Johnson, how are they going to use all the extra cap space they created?

Posted by: M | May 20, 2008 12:21 PM

I would hold onto it because you don't know who will get hurt and who will become available in free agency/trade. When the roster's set and the trade deadline passes, that's the time to make longer term moves.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 20, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

if I were a shameless liberal, I wouldn't want to talk politics in a public forum either.

Posted by: Barno | May 20, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I think Ricardo Montalban convinced me that, in leather, you should accept no substitutes for fine Corinthian.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 20, 2008 10:25 AM

Greatest post ever. Period.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 20, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

yeah Knicks fan.....

Your supposed to hate the Lakers right? But I have to admit I enjoy watching the Gasol Lakers....

M,

I gotta say I think bringing young hungry football people in executive positions is big news/hire. Haven't we all been screaming for the need for more football minds at the top of the foodchain? and ones that aren't Snyder guys, and who have worked within organizations...

but whateves, F me

Posted by: chris Larry | May 20, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

and....the mentally challenged pig you rode in on

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what it is about him, maybe that whole rape charge thing, but I loathe that fellow Kobe Bryant. And I don't care for the Lakers one little bit, never have. So to the extent I give a flip, I'm rooting for the Spurs in the West.

There would be something sweet about Garnett going to Boston and finally getting a title (like karmic payback for having to send Ray Bourque away to win a title). But I think I'm rooting for a Detroit-San Antonio final, just to be contrarian. Ugly, unwatchable basketball, low scoring, low wattage... niiiiice.

Yes, that's right, folks, my basketball analysis is almost -- almost -- as in-depth as my football analysis. I know, I know, big surprise.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

if I were a shameless liberal, I wouldn't want to talk politics in a public forum either.

Posted by: Barno | May 20, 2008 12:24 PM

that's because "shameless liberals" have to deal with idiot conservatives who make up ridiculous arguments like "Obama's a muslim", or "he doesn't wear a flagpin, therefore he hates America", or the idiotic "nugget of wisdom" posted above (although pretty humorous when taken as a joke rather than a...what did you call it?...oh yea "nugget of wisdom").

maybe if there was actually a civil, intelligent, informed dialogue, then you'd see a "discussion." until then, please keep your ignorance to yourself.

Posted by: el diablo | May 20, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Since we're discussing politics, why don't we discuss the dalai lama, how dubbya is responsible for all-time high gas prices, the approval same sex marriages by California, and the recession.

probably should throw race and religion in there also.

Melodramatically yours,

Posted by: DJ Drama | May 20, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

t_e, don't forget that we could use that cap space to extend one or more of our own dudes' contracts during this season, if we were so inclined.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Did somebody already link to this interview with Morocco Brown, from a Chicago NC State fan website (talk about a niche)?

http://www.spyderwomanweb.com/wolfpackchicago/new/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47&Itemid=64

His nickname is or was "The Rock." Fantastic. We didn't already have enough guys whose heads turn when you yell "Rock" across the practice field.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Please all the down low boys in Camp Springs know Obama goes commando all the time!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Since we're discussing politics, why don't we discuss the dalai lama, how dubbya is responsible for all-time high gas prices, the approval same sex marriages by California, and the recession.

probably should throw race and religion in there also.

Melodramatically yours,


Posted by: DJ Drama | May 20, 2008 12:30 PM

Now we're talkin!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

+++... I LOATHE the San Antonio Spurs...My loathing will turn to all out hate when they play the mamba and the LA Lakers.+++

I'll SEE your loathiness and raise you my UTTER CONTEMPT for all sports teams in LA. I've earned it. I live here. The LA fans are the worst frontrunners in all of sports. Bar none. Case closed. End of story.

I HATE the Lakers and their arrogant automotron philandering MVP (But I'd have voted for him (Skills wise, he's the best.)

When the kids were little, I had to endure Dodger Games. Stadium was half filled for the first three and last three innings. For the middle three, Dodger "fans" arrived to join the fans of their opponents. Extra innings against the Mets? You'd swear you were in New Yawk.

The city has been without pro football for a decade. Ho-hum dude. Surf's up.

The Big Story about the Lakers right now? Who is getting the best courtside seats. FRONT PAGE LA TIMES!! The Times ran a picture of "Becks," the overpaid Soccer import who is getting 8 gazllion $$$ a year to play the wrong football--which he needs for his wife's medical bills. All his extra money goes into research to find a cure for Women Born without a Facial Expression.

The only two celebs who get a pass? Nicholson and Police Mama Angie Dickenson, who are true old fashioned fanatic fans and even show up when the Lakers aren't winning.

So no, I'm not a fan of Texas or Texas teams. But by God I'll be rooting against the Lakers big time. (While expecting they've bought themselves a champeenship with Gas hole.)

Posted by: Corkczar | May 20, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Anon who is obsessed with me:

Can I get a clarification, do I hang out with pigs and give HJ/BJs to donkeys? Both? Do I drive a pig to work? Was it your donkey I blew that has you so offended? What was the handle you used to post under so I can remember why you got a beef with me?

Posted by: chris Larry | May 20, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

or "he doesn't wear a flagpin, therefore he hates America",

Nahhh. The black liberation theology, outward support of Farakkan, and his wife's multiple speeches saying that this is the first time in her life that she has respected this country should take care of that without the need for a flagpin.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Kobes is a BEAST! The alleged victim had five different samples of "DNA" in her and on her undergarment!

I think the letters I'm lookin for here are: S-L-U-T.

I really think people need to get over that whole thing already. Besides the woman was bragging to her friends about how she was "sodomized" by the Mamba.

Posted by: Red(ing) | May 20, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

sorry cL. I thought you wore the F like a badge of honor. The pig inclusion was just irrelevant banter.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that was an excellent breakdown, Red(ing). You must be a lawyer! Thanks to your words, I have completely reconsidered my stance on Kobe Bryant.

Just joshing you, dude, but my mind is made up that he's a sleaze and an arrogant jerk. Plus he plays for the Lakers.

Corky hit the nail on the head -- it was living in LA which cemented my anti-Laker stance.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Red, you might want to adjust 'your' version of the facts on that.

So, in other words, she deserved what he did to her?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

And YES Kobe's a great player, I would never suggest otherwise, but so are lots of dudes I root against.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Corinthian Leather is a marketing term that does not actually indicate any particular type of leather. Furthermore, Montalbán confirmed this during an interview with David Letterman, admitting that Corinthian leather means "nothing."[3] According to one reference, Chrysler's "Corinthian" leather was mass produced in a plant in Newark, New Jersey (not Corinth).

Posted by: Mr. Wiki | May 20, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

did someone say Kobe's victim was sodomized by the Dalai Lama?!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I am no super fan of Kobe, but I am a fan of watching exciting BB games, and I can't stomach anymore Spurs.....they are not entertaining....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 20, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"The black liberation theology"

Hey 12:38 anon, if you don't mind me asking, is there a problem with the above?

Oooops, I forgot. Equal rights for all? Who in the hell, with their burning mind would want that.

Posted by: 12:49+ anon | May 20, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Red, you might want to adjust 'your' version of the facts on that.

So, in other words, she deserved what he did to her?

Posted by: | May 20, 2008 12:45 PM

Deserved What? Sex? She probably didn't deserve that from Kobe, I must say.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

anon, he didnt support Farakkan. And you people kill me with that first time I am proud of my country crap. Are you really always proud of your country?

Where you happy when they treated black people as slaves? Where you happy when the droped an atomic bomb on japan? where you happy when the assasinated president kennedy of Dr. Martin luther King jr?

So I say I have not been always proud of what my country has done but that does not make me unpatriotic, it just makes me honest.

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"The black liberation theology"

Hey 12:38 anon, if you don't mind me asking, is there a problem with the above?

Oooops, I forgot. Equal rights for all? Who in the hell, with their burning mind would want that.

Posted by: 12:49+ anon | May 20, 2008 12:48 PM

other than the fact that there is no Biblical support or reference to their claimed black liberation theology, I guess it's ok. Though I prefer The Truth theology.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

what percentage of slaves ended up enslaved as a result of the actions of members of their own race?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Oooh Great One, better stop being anti-american. Really, for your sake, you should probably start wearing an American flag as a toga to compensate for your anti-americanism.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"Where you happy when they treated black people as slaves?" No

"Where you happy when the droped an atomic bomb on japan?" No

"where you happy when the assasinated president kennedy of Dr. Martin luther King jr?" No

But it didn't take me until well into my 40's to have some respect for my country

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

well this is getting ugly, ignorant and irrelevant...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 20, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

This sucks.

We're up here having a nice discussion about Corinthian leather, and making fun of the new personnel guy's name, and talking a little hoopage, and along comes all this political crap.

Again, I say, BOO!

Need a new discussion topic to take us away...

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Time for me to go shopping at the RI Shop with me bonus points.....

Whats on sale this week, anyone know?

Posted by: Greg | May 20, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

well this is getting ugly, ignorant and irrelevant...

Posted by: chris Larry | May 20, 2008 12:53 PM

Sometimes the Truth is ugly, but never ignorant nor irrelevant.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

other than the fact that there is no Biblical support or reference to their claimed black liberation theology, I guess it's ok. Though I prefer The Truth theology.

Posted by: | May 20, 2008 12:51 PM
____________________________________

Hoping not to offend too many here, but you do know that the Bible is not fact, was written by man, and has no evidence to support "the Truth"?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey, maybe next time we are waiting for a new thread from JLa, we can talk about religion.

Posted by: Fulton Sheen | May 20, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

anyone catch any game last night.

Posted by: please for the sake of the day lets digress. | May 20, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Calgon take me away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

oh well.....I still have to say that I rather enjoyed the "nugget of wisdom" It's great that their differences can be highlighted in such a simple, yet profound, matter.

Posted by: Barno | May 20, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

you can have respect for your county without being proud of some of the things it has done.

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

We know that the bible was written by man, but I ask you what is the truth? in your opinion

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

she never stated that she "was not proud of some of things it has done"

I think we could all say that.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Hi Barno. Nice to see you up here again.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

We know that the bible was written by man, but I ask you what is the truth? in your opinion

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 1:04 PM

there is no "opinion" in Truth. Unless you are one of those Cosmic goo theologians who believe that everything is relative. Can't blame you though, cultural humanism is running rampant in this country, and has led to the fall of many other great nations.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

it doesnt matter, we let the media formulate an opinion for us instead of listening and doing our own research.

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Hi Barno. Nice to see you up here again.

Posted by: | May 20, 2008 1:04 PM

Thanks. Good to be back. Looks like I picked a fine conversation to return to.

Posted by: Barno | May 20, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

oh well.....I still have to say that I rather enjoyed the "nugget of wisdom" It's great that their differences can be highlighted in such a simple, yet profound, matter.

Posted by: Barno | May 20, 2008 1:01 PM

I can agree with you on this one, Barno.

One candidate is extremely short-sighted, another refuses to admit defeat, and last actually has a vision for the better.

Mccain catches a fish, then gives it to the homeless man. Clinton catches a fish, feeds herself, then gives the fish to the homeless man. Obama actually teaches the homeless man to fish for himself. Brilliant.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

it doesnt matter, we let the media formulate an opinion for us instead of listening and doing our own research.


Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 1:07 PM

No......I don't.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

there is a truth but many people dont like to hear it or read it.

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Putting Grunfeld and Snyder's name in the same sentence is ridiciulous. One is a GM who works for a owner with a tight wallet and the other is an idiot owner who thinks he knows how to run a football franchise.

Morocco Brown just continues the trend of hiring more of Vinny's yes men (of which Louis Riddick wasn't one). Scott Campbell, Morocco Brown, and even Jim Zorn owe their jobs to him: didn't have qualifications, will keep their mouths shut, and will collect big checks.

Sadder too is that Redskins Nation continues to fill Danny's overpriced dump of a stadium to see a perennial mediocre team. Even St. Joe was only able to get us to 2 playoffs in 4 years and now we've got aging offensive and defensive lines with no replacements in sight. Looks like another 5-11 season with a huge player purge after the season.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 20, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Mccain catches a fish, then gives it to the homeless man. Clinton catches a fish, feeds herself, then gives the fish to the homeless man. Obama actually teaches the homeless man to fish for himself. Brilliant.

Posted by: | May 20, 2008 1:08 PM

Great post
One of the greatest gifts you can ever give someone is knowledge

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

oh well.....I still have to say that I rather enjoyed the "nugget of wisdom" It's great that their differences can be highlighted in such a simple, yet profound, matter.

Posted by: Barno | May 20, 2008 1:01 PM

I can agree with you on this one, Barno.

One candidate is extremely short-sighted, another refuses to admit defeat, and last actually has a vision for the better.

Mccain catches a fish, then gives it to the homeless man. Clinton catches a fish, feeds herself, then gives the fish to the homeless man. Obama actually teaches the homeless man to fish for himself. Brilliant.

Posted by: | May 20, 2008 1:08 PM

Problem with that version is that Obama doesn't know the difference between a fishing rod and a spear, and the poor man dies from malnutrition before ever shagging his first fishy.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Um... okay (desperate attempt to change subject...)

I saw a great band last week, the Dirtbombs, I think they're out of Detroit.

Awesome garage-y punk rock. Loud and fast and noisy and just plain good.

What's the last live music event you attended?

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Red, you might want to adjust 'your' version of the facts on that.

So, in other words, she deserved what he did to her?

Posted by: | May 20, 2008 12:45 PM

To my 12:45 anon bud: http://www.re-quest.net/news/kobe-bryant/

"[T]he defense, which believes they have found a bombshell, says DNA from semen found inside the 19-year-old woman after the alleged rape did not belong to Bryant. The defense wants to know who it came from ..." Source: ABC News.

This good enough for ya? Get over it. I know, a man of skin pigment, rich, sucessful, celebrated, powerful. How does he allegedly violate this pure, innocent, 19 year old girl of non skin pigment. Must've brought back memories of O.J. Simpson, huh?

@ Nate, let me tell you a little something my friend. First off I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I don't care if you see my point, but I will be heard, read, or whatever. Second, if you're a professional athlete chances are you're a arrogant SOB. For them it comes with the territory. Especially basketball players. Mike Jordan personified arrogance. So a basketball player acting arrogant is nothing new. Hell, we can take it back to the Wilt "The Big Dipper" Chamberlain.

How you think he got THAT name? I'm sure Wilt wasn't a student of astronomy.


Posted by: Red(eye) | May 20, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else hear about the carmelo anthony to nets trade in the works?

Posted by: NBA | May 20, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Problem with that version is that Obama doesn't know the difference between a fishing rod and a spear, and the poor man dies from malnutrition before ever shagging his first fishy.

Is this some form of underline Racism?

Posted by: Great one | May 20, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

who cares?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The alleged victim had five different samples of "DNA" in her and on her undergarment!

You got anything to back this up, or did you pull this out of an orifice??

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Problem with that version is that Obama doesn't know the difference between a fishing rod and a spear, and the poor man dies from malnutrition before ever shagging his first fishy.

Is this some form of underline Racism?

Posted by: Great one | May 20, 2008 1:18 PM

You may see it that way. I see it as a metaphoric representation of the current state. Guess it's all in the eye of the beholder for you humanists.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I cant understand why some people have to generalize people ( RED EYE) if someone was to put you in a stereoype they would be wrong because they dont know you, so what makes it right for you to do it to someone else?

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

(trying to change subject)

I actually love to fish. Bass fishing is one of my hobbies. Used to work on a Charter fishing boat, when I was between jobs. Good fun, but a tough way to make a living..

Anyone.....

Posted by: Greg | May 20, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Only other guy I know named Morocco (yes, that really is his name) -- with my girlfriend in the background

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/72555858

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 20, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Just wasted a lot of time catching up on this thread.

With Armageddon scheduled to occur later this afternoon, shouldn't we try to resolve how the Skins should deal with the uncapped year, rather than digress into great metaphysical, religious or political debate?

...by my clock we can get this taken care of in a couple of hours, with time to spare for a drink, before the big A.

Posted by: Stumped | May 20, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Newark? No wonder they called it Corinthian leather. What should they really have called it if they wanted it to be known it was from Newark NJ?

Posted by: saywhatagain | May 20, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

That is a sad point of view, I dont see it as metaphoric. the only metaphor I see is underline racism that has plauged america for years.

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Do you live in the Northern VA/DC area? Where are some good places to fish?

Posted by: ce1782 | May 20, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Great One......the person representing the third situation could have been from any race, creed, sex, or religion. You are reaching on this one.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

ce, I dont, I live south of Boston, MA.

Try the Chesapeake, Stripers should be lively this time of year, along with the blues. Both on the salt of course...

Posted by: Greg | May 20, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

leather and politics + the Redskins all in one place. WOW

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 20, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

did you guys kno that Devin Thomas won the Rookie 08 Madden Challenge over the weekend??

Posted by: Fulvio | May 20, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

potomac river is great for fishing

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

BEEP! BEEP!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Morocco is a great name, huh?

Still no Post interview of Chris Meidt, too bad. Maybe it all has to filter through Zorn.

Posted by: Stumped | May 20, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I cant understand why some people have to generalize people ( RED EYE) if someone was to put you in a stereoype they would be wrong because they dont know you, so what makes it right for you to do it to someone else?

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 1:22 PM

Can you clarify this, please? Who am I generalizing?

Posted by: Red(Face) | May 20, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

it's that kind of oversensitivity that has allowed racism to survive all these years.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

1:34 anon is a lying POS.

Posted by: 1:38+ anon | May 20, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Oi vey, the political talk is back on here, as one of the few people here who has been in politics I have to pick a fight.

First off, odds are none of your opinions matter in politics. Your vote is relatively meaningless and you have little impact directly on your elected official.

Exceptions 1. To anyone who actually works in politics on the hill or may somehow be an elected official, there opinions matter slightly more. 2. If you own a major weapons manufacture 3. If you donate very large sums of money to politicians $3000 or more annually. 4. Your able to rig a voting machine.

Second, There is no difference between any of the major political candidates. Lot of details in this too many to go into.

Exceptions, Third parties are actually different, Libertarians and Greens for example, they dont fit in the Liberal Conservative labels, though we try and force them in there.

Finally, the Political map is a Liberal Conservative line, there are much more nuanced ideas out there. A better map of our political landscape is a grid with one plain on Social issues going from complete individual liberty to a government that has total social control and one on economic issues going from a "free market" to totalitarianism. This for most americans is a much more accurate depiction of modern politics. 99% of our politicians fit into a space in that called the political center, of the diamond. If you put some historical figures, both good and bad, they closer to the edges of that map.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 20, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

if you're a professional athlete chances are you're a arrogant SOB


Sounds like Generalizing to me

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

embrace the race

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

What's the last live music event you attended?

-Nate in the PDX

I went to Radiohead 2 weeks ago. Greatest Live Band EVER!

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 20, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

as one of the few people here who has been in politics I have to pick a fight.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 20, 2008 1:41 PM

obviously past tense

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

It is not oversensitivity, it is the truth. People make comments and then when you call them on it you are being oversensitive. people like your self try to say it has died or it is not what it used to be, well i am here to tell you that it still exist. it may not look the same but it is the same.

( just because you paint your car a different color doesnt mean it is not the same car. different look same car)

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Typo:
Finally, the Political map is a Liberal Conservative

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 20, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Alex,
Good point. Our political opinions and votes don't count for much.

But, there is a chance that Vinny and Danny read this blog (if only occasionally)...so power the hamsters.

Posted by: Stumped | May 20, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Great job Stumped.

If I'm elected, you're in charge of FEMA.

Posted by: Mr Synder to you. | May 20, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

obviously past tense

Posted by: | May 20, 2008 1:45 PM

Had to take a break, its bad on the wallet.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 20, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

dude....you're wrong. I have no problem admitting that it was political. But is was in no way racial. Reach if you want to, but you are the one creating something that doesn't exist. Get over yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

if you're a professional athlete chances are you're a arrogant SOB


Sounds like Generalizing to me

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 1:41 PM

Good grief. Dude, get over your damn self first before you get over "it". I mean, damn, do you always take every little thing and try to pick some sort of argument out of it. OF COURSE ALL athletes aren't arrogant!

What's your problem? You're not getting enought attention, so you feel you must pick apart MY post? And you OVER analyze the least important part of that post. Learn how to pick and choose your battles, son. You're not going to win em' all. OK, OK, you now have been realizied, and since I refuse to entertain you a sentence longer...

Posted by: Red(One) | May 20, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Weird I put stuff in brackets in my typo and it disappeared. Should say its not liberal conservative. Damn HTML

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 20, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Moroccan pouf in beige and brown.

http://www.authenticmorocco.com/brown_beige_moroccan_pouf.html


I think I'd go by "Mo." And maybe Mars for his brother Marseille. Hmm, but what about the other brother Milan... maybe "Lannie"? It's a conundrummm.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Cant we call him Principality Brown.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 20, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"First off, odds are none of your opinions matter in politics. Your vote is relatively meaningless and you have little impact directly on your elected official."

-Your singular vote has relatively little impact on your elected official. Your opinions, especially if you're convincing and/or influential, could have a relatively large impact (a lot larger than one vote) - especially with the beast that is the internet today. Information, whether true or false, is always only a click of the mouse away. Don't underestimate the power of the media/internet.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Miles? Milo? Milly? Milagros?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I was going to throw in some great political nuggets of wisdom, but then had a thought - WAPO has a great place where folks like to trade relatively uninformed and ultimately self-defeating personal political insults - it's called "The Fix" - better place for politics.

But I can't resist - if you absolutely choose not to listen to any one elses point of view and traffic in your notion of The Truth, well - then - I don't know why you waste your time trying to convince others of your point of view.

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 20, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

beep beep?

Posted by: swb | May 20, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Milan could go by "The Godfather".....sorry is that generalizing?

Posted by: saywhatagain | May 20, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Red Eye if I knew you were going to get all bent out of shape I would have left you alone.
Im sorry -here's your lunch and milk money back to

Just kidding, Tough crowd

Are those crickets I hear?

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

no, that's someone firing up Kumbaya on the gee-tar

Posted by: saywhatagain | May 20, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

great one = sams3

i think it's obvious. every post comes off like "my sh*t doesn't stink" and "i know more than you".

look, one. stop trying to draw people into your world of the melodramatics. race, politics, religion shouldn't be discussed here. it doesn't have a place at all.

and i thought i was wrong for bringing up some basketball.

Posted by: Red(sams) | May 20, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Your opinions, especially if you're convincing and/or influential, could have a relatively large impact (a lot larger than one vote) - especially with the beast that is the internet today. Information, whether true or false, is always only a click of the mouse away. Don't underestimate the power of the media/internet.

Posted by: | May 20, 2008 1:59 PM

I have also found that often people overestimate the power of the internet in political life. Sending letters to a political official via email or those postcards, mostly useless, more a pain in the ass for the politician than helpful. In

I don't buy the convincing argument... argument because that may work with the people, but politicians are pro-BSers and like a rattle snake to its poison they are unaffected. The truth does not matter to them as long as they look good and does not piss off the donors. Playing a politician is much like dealing with a three year old or a primitive human, you must appeal to raw self interests/survival

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 20, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Now in the interests of the blog I will try and go back to Skins talk.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 20, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I was going to throw in some great political nuggets of wisdom, but then had a thought - WAPO has a great place where folks like to trade relatively uninformed and ultimately self-defeating personal political insults - it's called "The Fix" - better place for politics.

But I can't resist - if you absolutely choose not to listen to any one elses point of view and traffic in your notion of The Truth, well - then - I don't know why you waste your time trying to convince others of your point of view.

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 20, 2008 2:00 PM

In other words, you have no nuggets of wisdom.

No surprise here.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I did not start this political talk so therefore i can not draw people in to my world. I just responded to a post, if you want to change the subject come up with something worthwhile to talk about.


Please dont take your ball and go home.

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

anyone predict whether Lorenzo Alexander will play offense or defense this year.

you cant pick both, that defeats the purpose.

Posted by: Great One | May 20, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I have also found that often people overestimate the power of the internet in political life. Sending letters to a political official via email or those postcards, mostly useless, more a pain in the ass for the politician than helpful. In

I don't buy the convincing argument... argument because that may work with the people, but politicians are pro-BSers and like a rattle snake to its poison they are unaffected. The truth does not matter to them as long as they look good and does not piss off the donors. Playing a politician is much like dealing with a three year old or a primitive human, you must appeal to raw self interests/survival

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 20, 2008 2:07 PM

Now I don't doubt your opinion on the above, but my original post was regarding being convincing/influential on everyday people rather than politicians. I would never think that my opinion truly could influence a politician. But certainly my opinion could influence everyday people I'm around, people I interact with, people I know, or just plain people who use the internet as a primary source of information regarding the politicians they support (with the last group being the biggest). In the end, it's relatively insignificant in the entire scope of all voters, but it can certainly be influential in selected regions and demographics.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I can, and I will.....

BOTH

Hope you're enjoying the conversation with yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

No, I just am really not intersted in discussing politics with someone whose mind is made up, it does neither of us any good.

Now, did Barno ever get that CD autographed by Cooley?

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 20, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I would hold onto it because you don't know who will get hurt and who will become available in free agency/trade. When the roster's set and the trade deadline passes, that's the time to make longer term moves.


Posted by: talent evaluator | May 20, 2008 12:23 PM

Talent evaluator, it seems like reasonable approach, although I would be surprised if they were able to use up all the cap space on free agents and I hope for no big boneheaded trades.

Posted by: M | May 20, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

M,

I gotta say I think bringing young hungry football people in executive positions is big news/hire. Haven't we all been screaming for the need for more football minds at the top of the foodchain? and ones that aren't Snyder guys, and who have worked within organizations...

but whateves, F me

Posted by: chris Larry | May 20, 2008 12:27 PM

Chris Larry, I hope you are right, but I have a feeling that Snyder and Cerrato will continue to call the shots.

Posted by: M | May 20, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

M,

I gotta say I think bringing young hungry football people in executive positions is big news/hire. Haven't we all been screaming for the need for more football minds at the top of the foodchain? and ones that aren't Snyder guys, and who have worked within organizations...

but whateves, F me

Posted by: chris Larry | May 20, 2008 12:27 PM

Chris Larry, I hope you are right, but I have a feeling that Snyder and Cerrato will continue to call the shots.

Posted by: M | May 20, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Just GO!

please?

Posted by: Go Away Great One | May 21, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I was having fun on this blog until a certain whining McWhinester starting posting.

Posted by: Go Away Great One | May 21, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

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