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Redskins make low tender to Kedric Golston

With free agency beginning at midnight on Thursday, we're starting to hear more about the Redskins' plans for their restricted free agents.

The Redskins made a low tender to Kedric Golston, people familiar with the situation said today, meaning they would receive a second-round draft pick as compensation for the defensive tackle if he received an offer from another team that they were not willing to match.

The four-year veteran was a key member of the league's 10th-ranked defense last season. With Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth often slowed because of injuries, Golston started five games and played in 16.

Especially strong against the run, Golston was credited with 22 unassisted tackles (34 overall), two sacks and a forced fumble. During the season, Pro Bowl middle linebacker London Fletcher praised the dependable Golston for "doing a lot to help our defense that most people probably just don't understand."

Next season, Golston is expected to back up Haynesworth at nose tackle in the Redskins' new 3-4 base alignment.

By Jason Reid  |  March 3, 2010; 9:02 AM ET
 
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Posted by: skinfanman | March 3, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: robertg238 | March 3, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: robertg238 | March 3, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Wow, isn't Golston a bit undersized to play NT? I mean, wouldn't he be better suited to play DE and put Monty at NT?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

2nd 3rd 4th so the hell what dummy

Posted by: deisel_ | March 3, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I'd certainly want to keep KG but it's nice to know that we'd get a 2nd rounder if someone tries to step in and take him.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | March 3, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Alright Robert G, we get it. Move on, dude.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Wow, isn't Golston a bit undersized to play NT? I mean, wouldn't he be better suited to play DE and put Monty at NT?

Posted by: brownwood26


Monty doesn't have the motor to play DT in a 4-3, so I'm not too sure how he'd look as a NT in a 3-4.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Wow, isn't Golston a bit undersized to play NT? I mean, wouldn't he be better suited to play DE and put Monty at NT?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 9:10 AM

Yes. There front 3 is a mess. They need a NT and another 3-4 DE. Golston is not a NT and with a 2nd rd tender, no one is making an offer on him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

2nd 3rd 4th so the hell what dummy

Posted by: deisel_ | March 3, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

way to jump in there with the great contribution.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

p1, that Raider game you're talking about, was Landry in zone or playing man?


Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse


It was man.

The Raiders were lining up with McFadden in the backfield, and then he was going in motion and splitting out wide, and it was (apparently) Landry's assignment to go out there and cover him.

I know we are not talking about covering LeRon McClain, but we are also not tlaking about covering Larry Fitzgerald.

Look, I think it was DUMB for the coaches to continue to use LL as a free safety. They did not put him in a position to really succeed and max-out his talent and that is the coaches role and coaches fault.

Even so, Landry is simply deficient in coverage (I'm not even bringing up the tackling fundamentals), and my fear is that he's going to get exposed at this point in his career and it will be like Roy Williams 2.0.

Once a guy is in the league for a couple of years, the league learns about him. They develop enough game film and game situations to understand what he can and cannot do. LL30 has had a relatively successful early career - he's real talented and made some big plays. But last year was a regression and teams seem to have him "scouted".

It was the same deal with Roy Williams. He was the toast of the league, going to Pro Bowls and everyone feared his big hits. After a few seasons folks realized "he can't cover". He lost his starting job and eventually got cut.

If LL30 does not develop his all-around game as a defender in coverage I see the same thing happening...

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Yes. There front 3 is a mess. They need a NT and another 3-4 DE. Golston is not a NT and with a 2nd rd tender, no one is making an offer on him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Seems like our 3-4 is going to be more like Dallas's 3-4 than NE's.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

That's what I'm thinking Diesel...seems to me they'd be better off showing a few 3-4 packages to help aid the transition for the future, but to make the 3-4 a base formation seems hasty. I know there's talk of Haynesworth playing NT, but I doubt that happens.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I thought free agency started at midnight on Friday

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

?
Why is this bad news for only Doughty and Horton?

Both of those guys are more reliable in deep coverage than LL30.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 8:18 AM
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Landry was given deep support sideline to sideline which the team would have never asked of Horton and Doughty because of their limited coverage skills. He's a great athlete who can cover ground quickly, but Blache just asked too much of him. The year prior Landry did a good job, which many people seem to forget. This is the same guy the Redskins drafted, only he was put in a position he couldn't manage. I think some of the players have basically said the same thing. My feeling is Landry will be playing strong safety and a player yet to be named will be the free safety. Doughty and Horton can't play free safety. They'd suck more at it than Landry. I still remember Doughty's pass interference call two seasons ago when he got beat deep in Dallas. I remember Horton's last year in Detroit. Last year they tried to minimize getting these guys locked in man to man on anyone with deep speed, and kept them close to the line of scrimmage where they could use them more as extra linebackers. Landry is a unique athlete. Horton and Doughty are not.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 9:21 AM

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I know there's talk of Haynesworth playing NT, but I doubt that happens.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse


Personally, I think AH is better suited to be a 3-4 DE like Darnell Dockett.

But Theo Ratliff was a pretty successful 3-4 NT in terms of being disruptive, blowing up plays and getting into the backfield.

Whatever the formation, they just need to unleash Haynesworth and let him go for it.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, I like Gholston but really, he's a spare part in a 3-4, I hope someone signs him, we could use that pick.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

So ESPN...has us going after Sproles, Peppers, Dansby and potentially J. Evans with the Saint who is restricted...I think I like Sproles and Dansby, but the others make no sense to me.

Any thoughts?

I think Dansby should be our top choice in FA. Followed by Sproles and possibly an OL. Are we keeping Levi Jones for depth, has anyone heard.

Cant J. Reid post something new or interesting, instead of copying and pasting. D Bags on ESPN love the Insider, half of the post are J. Reid on Post says this...

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 3, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't think any of them (Landry, Horton, Doughty) are free safeties or any of them are particularly stalwart in pass coverage.

But I'd rather live with errors in coverage that result in some PI calls, than errors in coverage that result in long TDs.

Doughty and Horton might be guilty of the former, but Landry is guilty of the latter which is why I think he's less reliable.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow, isn't Golston a bit undersized to play NT? I mean, wouldn't he be better suited to play DE and put Monty at NT?

Posted by: brownwood26

Monty doesn't have the motor to play DT in a 4-3, so I'm not too sure how he'd look as a NT in a 3-4.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2010 9:14 AM
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Montgomery is a free agent, right? I doubt they tender him. The guy is one of those players who has all of the ability and not much ambition.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for Gandy, Dansby, Sproles, and Rolle.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

And you all thought that D.C. was angry when Wilbon made his remarks about Sean Taylor, look what they're saying about him in the comments section: http://views.washingtonpost.com/world-wide-wilbon/wilbon/2010/03/crosby_miles_ahead_of_ovechkin.html

They're really getting at dude. And IMO, deservedly so. It seems like Wilbon is really anti-D.C. these days. Must be from kissing ESPNs ass all day.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

It's all about the pick. Smart move, I guess.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 3, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Wow, isn't Golston a bit undersized to play NT? I mean, wouldn't he be better suited to play DE and put Monty at NT?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 9:10 AM

The NT most likely won't be a two gap player (at least this year) for the skins. I'm thinking the skins will do a lot of slanting with the down three, so quickness off the snap will be more important. A player like Gerald McCoy, or LaMar Houston come to mind when looking at the draft. Justin Bannan (sp) in FA will be a good pick up as well.

Posted by: TWISI | March 3, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I thought free agency started at midnight on Friday

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2010 9:22 AM |

Midnight Thursday night/Friday AM

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 3, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't think any of them (Landry, Horton, Doughty) are free safeties or any of them are particularly stalwart in pass coverage.

But I'd rather live with errors in coverage that result in some PI calls, than errors in coverage that result in long TDs.

Doughty and Horton might be guilty of the former, but Landry is guilty of the latter which is why I think he's less reliable.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 9:32 AM
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I totally understand where you are coming from but I don't think the team is ready to write Landry off just yet. As I said, he is a unique talent. I think he can be an impact player if they narrow his role in the defense, which I think Haslett and Slowitz will do. The coaches were very defensive of Landry last year. They knew they were maybe asking too much from him, hanging him out to dry, so to speak. He's better than he looked last year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 3, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I like Dansby and Rolle and that's about it.


I'd much rather pass on Sproles due to the short career of running backs. I'd rather we draft a young running back instead.

Peppers is going to want too much money. If the cap comes back we'd be in trouble. I don't know if we can afford to have his inconsistent play here either.

I don't know why we'd go after a restricted guard like Evans unless we were trying to move someone like Andre Carter. If that is the case and we can make that deal then I'd be all for it. Obviously, we'd be fleecing them

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 3, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse


Unless we are moving to a 3-4 base as our standard defense, I don't see how we get Dansby here unless we blow other teams away with a contract offer.

He's been a 3-4 ILB. I don't know where we would put him in a 4-3 formation b/c it's not like he's going to take London Fletcher's spot. He's not going to take Orakpo's spot. Is he going to want to learn to play weakside LB in a 4-3? I don't know, but a team like the Giants can offer him their starting MLB position from Day 1. We are going to have a hard time offering the same kind of playing opportunity.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

D Bags on ESPN love the Insider, half of the post are J. Reid on Post says this...

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 3, 2010 9:27 AM


They must be idiots as well as DBags

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 3, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

How would he draw a 2nd round pick after being drafted in the 6th?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | March 3, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon is a chicago dude, no? Good reporter, but definitely not a DC homer. I really don't think Korny is that much either.

Man, I have to tell 'yall - sports coverage here is llllaaaaame. Just a bunch of schils and no real character on air. I do miss my Miami sports radio.

You guys do a much better job. Thanks for THAT!

& RedD - my biggest worries in the new system are at CB more than safety, but good points on last thread.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 3, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 3, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse


Unless we are moving to a 3-4 base as our standard defense, I don't see how we get Dansby here unless we blow other teams away with a contract offer.

He's been a 3-4 ILB. I don't know where we would put him in a 4-3 formation b/c it's not like he's going to take London Fletcher's spot. He's not going to take Orakpo's spot. Is he going to want to learn to play weakside LB in a 4-3? I don't know, but a team like the Giants can offer him their starting MLB position from Day 1. We are going to have a hard time offering the same kind of playing opportunity.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 9:37 AM
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MAeks sense, but all I can say to that is when Dan Snyder makes up his mind that he wants a player, he gets the player. I think he wants Dansby.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

p1, well said.


But were going to have to agree to disagree on Landry. I'm not ready to give up on the guy yet. As I said, in a new system with different coaches let's see how he does. If stinks it up again in 2010, well the 'skins have a major decision to make with Landry going into the offseason, and it should be leaning toward to "release him" side.

But one more year isn't too much to ask. Not from the sixth overall pick in the draft a mere 3 years ago.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Oh & on Landry:

You don't write off speed! If he's missing something, coarch him or adjust your scheme. But speed is one thing that can't be 'taught'.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 3, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse


Red, I saw that entry, and I posted a comment killing "Washed-up" Wilbon. Which is the last time I'm going there. WaPo needs to get rid of Wilbon.

The dude's career as a DC sports reporter/columnist is over. He's got nothing interesting or insightful to say about DC sports anymore - it's all shoot-from-the-hip quips and quibbles typical of ESPN blow hards. He's an NBA/ESPN company man now.

He had a nice run here in DC for a while, I though TK and Wilbon were awesome for that period of time right before they got the PTI gig, but it's time to move on.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

How would he draw a 2nd round pick after being drafted in the 6th?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins

Is this a serious question?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 3, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Yes. There front 3 is a mess. They need a NT and another 3-4 DE. Golston is not a NT and with a 2nd rd tender, no one is making an offer on him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse
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AH is going to be the primary nose tackle whether he likes it or not. He's the only one that makes sense, and I think he's good enough that he can still be somewhat disruptive. No double team is going to hold him down the entire game. If you ask me, our starting front three will be Griffin (?)- AH- Phillip Daniels, and our 'backers will be Carter (who most people aren't sold about, but he'll get his shot)- ? - Fletcher - Orakpo.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | March 3, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Unless we are moving to a 3-4 base as our standard defense, I don't see how we get Dansby here unless we blow other teams away with a contract offer.

He's been a 3-4 ILB. I don't know where we would put him in a 4-3 formation b/c it's not like he's going to take London Fletcher's spot. He's not going to take Orakpo's spot. Is he going to want to learn to play weakside LB in a 4-3? I don't know, but a team like the Giants can offer him their starting MLB position from Day 1. We are going to have a hard time offering the same kind of playing opportunity.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 9:37 AM

It's been reported more than once that we're going to a base 3-4

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

It's been reported more than once that we're going to a base 3-4

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse


Yes, there's alot of things being said about our defense. Obviously it's going to change. If we do end up landing Dansby I think it would be safe to say we are making the total conversion to a 3-4 instead of just using some 3-4 sets.

Right now there's too much rumor and speculation.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I don't think any of them (Landry, Horton, Doughty) are free safeties or any of them are particularly stalwart in pass coverage.

But I'd rather live with errors in coverage that result in some PI calls, than errors in coverage that result in long TDs.

Doughty and Horton might be guilty of the former, but Landry is guilty of the latter which is why I think he's less reliable.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Kareem Moore is the only true FS on this team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't like Haynesworth as NT. He'd be better at end with Golston & Griffin playing the nose.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

One thing you guys have to remember is that when people get confused sometimes fundamentals go by the wayside. I remember learning to drive and my brother telling me to do something at an intersection (make a left I think), and I don't hear him. So I forget to brake completely and coast into the intersection, despite knowing how to manipulate the pedals well. Landry's situation may be the same thing - he was asked to do too much and got confused, which may have destroyed his fundamentals (tackling being the main one). When he's not so utterly confused anymore, his fundamentals should come back. In addition, when you're underperforming in your own eyes, sometimes you go for the highlight instead of playing sound football where you make good plays with the occasional highlight. I think the lack of confusion helping his fundamentals will therefore help his need to go for the big play (he won't feel the need to as much anymore). But these are JMO.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | March 3, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for Gandy, Dansby, Sproles, and Rolle.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse


Happy birthday Dr. Seuss.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Kareem Moore is the only true FS on this team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse


And he should get more PT. I'd also like to see Lendy Holmes get some PT.

I know it's not a popular position among some of the folks here, but I am of a "trade Landry" mindset. We can recoup picks and make room for some of our other guys to play and develop.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

How would he draw a 2nd round pick after being drafted in the 6th?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins

Spot on! You take Tom Brady. He was a fifth round pick and the Patriots would be lucky to get a second rounder for him.

Anyway, 2nd round is just the sticker price. Go into the dealership, offer a third, and you've got a deal.

Posted by: League-Source | March 3, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I don't like Haynesworth as NT. He'd be better at end with Golston & Griffin playing the nose.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2010 9:52 AM
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Agree regarding Haynesworth but disagree regarding Griffin and Golston. There's not a true NT on this roster. You want someone who is strong with a low center of gravity who can just drive blockers back and resist being shoved out of position. I know the team will put Haynesworth in the middle, but I don't think it's the best way to use him. Think about it for a minute: Haynesworth's a guy who has remarkable speed for a big man and likes to free lance. They're going to ask him to fill up the middle, take on multiple blockers and hold his position so the linebackers can make the plays. I think the team would be better off getting some true NT in the lower rounds of the draft and plugging him in - despite his rookie deficiencies - rather than wasting Haynesworth this way.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, I like Gholston but really, he's a spare part in a 3-4, I hope someone signs him, we could use that pick.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2010 9:24 AM

It's all about the pick. Smart move, I guess.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 3, 2010 9:33 AM

I don't think Golsten is too small to play NT. I'd assume he'd be coming back even stronger this season, but I agree that with Lozo there, and Griffin still on the roster, he's the best otherwise available tackle (after Haynesworth) that the Skins could afford to lose. If he were tendered much higher than that, it would scare other teams away. If he were tendered lower, it might be perceived as an insult and bad for lockerroom morale. Otherwise, I think Golston and Lozo are the DTs of the foreseeable future (or, at least, they would have been in a salary capped future).

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Play K Moore, time to show your worth kid. Hope he takes full advantage of ota's and mini camps. We need him NOW!

Posted by: sthai75 | March 3, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Don't need Dansby. Rocky Mac can play ILB in a 3-4.

Posted by: dc-nc | March 3, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I don't like Haynesworth as NT. He'd be better at end with Golston & Griffin playing the nose.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse


I'd rather we get a NT in the draft or even get an undrafted guy to fill the spot for a year. Let our best players play at their best positions and fill the holes later. This crap of trying to put square pegs in round holes always leads us into trouble.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

RE Peppers- I say no, but this is what some fat lard John Czarnecki from fox sports is saying.

The general consensus is that his average yearly salary over the next 3-4 seasons will be in the $13 million range, down from his projected $20 million franchise number that Carolina would have owed him. The Bears have their sights set on Peppers, as do the Redskins and Eagles. The Lions and Bucs make some sense, if they want to spend their money. But Lions Coach Jim Schwartz really wants free-agent Kyle Vanden Bosch, a pass rusher he coached while with the Titans. I keep hearing that the Redskins would love to part with Albert Haynesworth in order to get Peppers, but who would take Fat Albert off their books?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I keep hearing you guys say that AH won't like playing nose because he'll have to be double/triple teamed, but isn't that what he draws anyways and busts through? I mean when do offenses only put one offensive lineman on him?

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | March 3, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

2nd round tender isn't low....It's in the middle...And that's a good sign for Golston....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 3, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Kareem Moore is the only true FS on this team.

Posted by: scampbell1975


LOL!

Not Kareem "Just sit ya ass down" Moore.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

2nd round tender isn't low....It's in the middle...And that's a good sign for Golston....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 3, 2010 10:07 AM

Right it's the 3rd of the 4 tenders.
A low tender requires compensation that matches the players original round they were drafted. ie Golston = 6th rd compensation.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

dcsween,
By "Lozo", I suppose you are talking about Lorenzo Alexander. According to recent reports they want him to slim down and play linebacker. Makes me wonder, too; however, the point is he won't be a backup nose tackle.

sthai75,
I think the team would have liked Landry at strong safety last season. If Kareem Moore was capable, he would have been playing more than he did and they wouldn't have tried to transition Smoot in there. He's not going to be a starter. If the team wants a legit free safety who is strong in coverage, they are going to have to move a corner to that spot (I vote Carlos Rogers) or get someone from outside of the current roster. If they had this plan I would be totally for them signing Dunta Robinson.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"But Theo Ratliff was a pretty successful 3-4 NT in terms of being disruptive, blowing up plays and getting into the backfield."

Ratliff is moved around a great deal, sometimes he's a nose tackle, sometimes he's a defensive end, and sometimes, he's a defensive tackle.

Folks must get the idea that a hybrid look means players don't have fixed positions.

Each has to be flexible and adaptable and team oriented so the 'whole' defense works.

What's so promising about the switch is that now players will be put into positions where they can make plays rather than play a concept.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I keep hearing you guys say that AH won't like playing nose because he'll have to be double/triple teamed, but isn't that what he draws anyways and busts through? I mean when do offenses only put one offensive lineman on him?

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | March 3, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse


He's going to get double teamed no matter where he is.

From what I understand, the NT in the 3-4 is not a playmaker. The NT plays the role of space eater that allows others to make plays. That's the same roll that Albert fumed about having last year and it's not why this team brought him in.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

But Theo Ratliff was a pretty successful 3-4 NT in terms of being disruptive...

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 9:23 AM


Actually, he was an injury prone shot blocker in the NBA...I think you meant Jay Ratliff.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse


And they should use AH in the same way.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse


Yes. Thanks for the correction.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Theo Ratliff or Theophilus Curtis Ratliff was the 18th pick in the 1995 draft.

Jay Ratliff was a 7th rd pick and a 2x pro bowler. He is the exception at 6'4 303. The norm is Casey Hampton/Vince Wilfork 6'1 350+.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse


I'd rather we get a NT in the draft or even get an undrafted guy to fill the spot for a year. Let our best players play at their best positions and fill the holes later. This crap of trying to put square pegs in round holes always leads us into trouble.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2010 10:05 AM
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We're on the same page here. I wonder if you experiment here by taking a short heavy offensive lineman with some real muscle and convert them to nose tackle.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't Wilbon the beat writer for the Redskins years back?

They could get Wilbon to to ghost write for Jason Reid. They both hate the Redskins as much as Jason La Canfora does.

Funny how that works all three of these fat turds bit the hand that fed them.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

However the Skins decide to set up their defense, Albert has show that you can only count on him for 10-12 games a year. His history supports that. Maybe since this is a no cap year..they could trade him to a team vying to make it to the super bowl. I mean..how much did he help the team last year on D vs. the previous year?
If they could unload him..Peppers would be a perfect addition as a line backer. Keep Golston as a nose tackle!

Posted by: blazerguy234 | March 3, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Still not excited by the prospect of adding Peppers, but I can honestly say I think he'd be better here than Haynesworth will ever be. If I have to choose between the two, I'd take Peppers 10 times outta 10, but I doubt that Czarnecki report is accurate...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm back...whad I miss......skins sign peppers/dansby/wilfork/brady yet??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 10:24 AM

I doubt it too. First off, no one is taking Fat Al off our hands and to have 2 unmotivated and questionable work ethic guys making a combined 30 mil a year, would be wicked retarded.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"And they should use AH in the same (flexible) way."

This creative use will please Prince Al.

It's what he wanted: to be placed in a position where he could do the most damage.

He can play nose tackle, defensive end, or tackle if need be.

Using him this way will also cause one on one match ups where Orakpo/Carter/Landry will be freed up to exploit a break down in protection.

This is why the hybrid look makes so much sense--it'll open up new ways to attack, create confusion, and generate turnovers or short fields.

The defensive changes are promising, but it's the redskin offense that needs the promising changes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure that Albert Haynesworth will be blocking many shots unless there's a basketball game going on near the bench on the sideline!

Posted by: mmck | March 3, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Dansby, Rolle, and as many quality O-linemen as are available. Avoid all other free agents, especially running back. Unless we dump Portis and need an experienced back to replace him.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 3, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm back...whad I miss......skins sign peppers/dansby/wilfork/brady yet??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


Nah, but they did trade Laron Landry for Peyton Manning straight up.

They also traded Haynesworth to the 49ers for their 1st, 3rd, and 4th.

And their 6th.

Oh I almost forgot. They traded Portis and Moss to the Raiders for this years first and next years.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

red, haha, while we joke about that, for some on here, thats a reality...they think those kind of trades, can, and should be made...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Did I miss something? What about Cornelius? Is Griff still with the team? I thought he and Albert would be a good tandam at NT

Posted by: pmiller33 | March 3, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone else heard that Manning may get as much as 25 million PER YEAR on his next contract?

There is only one other athlete that could command that kind of salary. And his pockets are so straight he just became the majority owner of a NBA team.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Initially, we'll have to live with the confusion that all these changes cause our own players. Sounds like a lot of guys are gonna have to buy into playing new positions and accept new roles.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 3, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

We're on the same page here. I wonder if you experiment here by taking a short heavy offensive lineman with some real muscle and convert them to nose tackle.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Intriguing idea butI don't think we even have to go that far. That NT from Maryland may go undrafted. There's a guy from Oklahoma with injury issues and a guy from Stanford with a goofy name that may go undrafted. If we pick up 2-3 of these guys and let them battle it out in camp I think we'd be ok. I'd really like to have at least 1 true NT on the roster. I think if we just use big al then a team like Carolina would just crush us by running through the middle. With PDaniels and Big Al I don't think we need a world beater up there. Just need a stout guy that can stop the run. He may not even play most games. Just plays when matchup dictates it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 3, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

There is only one other athlete that could command that kind of salary. And his pockets are so straight he just became the majority owner of a NBA team.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2010 10:46 AM


Yeah, but Manning has only won about as many playoff games as Jordan has rings. I know what Peyton means to that team, but he's nowhere near clutch. Plus, their championship window is closing IMO, and should really think it thru before they give him a raise like that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

There is only one other athlete that could command that kind of salary. And his pockets are so straight he just became the majority owner of a NBA team.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2010 10:46 AM

I'm thinking of another athlete. His pockets aren't straight, but his dick usually is. He'll be back on the PGA tour as soon as he straightens out that problem in rehab.

Posted by: League-Source | March 3, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

We're on the same page here. I wonder if you experiment here by taking a short heavy offensive lineman with some real muscle and convert them to nose tackle.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse


Why not just go "Necessary Roughness" and find some sumo-dude to play NT?

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Is Griff still with the team? I thought he and Albert would be a good tandam at NT

Posted by: pmiller33 | March 3, 2010 10:46 AM


First of all, I'm not sure how you can have a "tandem at NT" when the NT position employs exactly one player.

Secondly, Griff is on the team for now but I wouldn't be surprised to see him let go. Another fine example of an older player on the books for big money that needs to be released while there's no excellerated cap hit. Don't get me wrong...I'd hate to see him go, but this team is in dire need of weeding out the older, expensive players and replacing them with younger options with upside.

Even if he stays, Griff would probably be more suited to the DE position in a 3-4.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Why not just go "Necessary Roughness" and find some sumo-dude to play NT?

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 10:58 AM


Haloti Ngata already plays for the Ravens...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I think the REDSKINS are fishing for a low second rounder.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 3, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm back...whad I miss......skins sign peppers/dansby/wilfork/brady yet??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


PFT reported that Dan Snyder bought 2 alligator desks w/matching chairs for $600,000.

Turns out it was a crock...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 3, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

If we can get a 2nd round pick this year it sure would nice. We might be able to nab another decent OL.

Posted by: clark202 | March 3, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Unless we dump Portis and need an experienced back to replace him.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 3, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

In which case I would look at JOIQUE BELL in the fifth round. Little All-American RB from WAYNE STATE. Seemed to hold his own at the combine too.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 3, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

This looks like bait. I'll bet the Redskin's tendered it low enough to attract some fish to get an additional 2nd round pick. If so, that likely means Snyder wants to take a QB at #4 and shut the fans up with 2 OL picks in the 2nd round.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | March 3, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

If we can get a 2nd round pick this year it sure would nice. We might be able to nab another decent OL.

Posted by: clark202 | March 3, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

We have one. I was thinking of another for GOLSTON, but somebody's got to match the offer first.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 3, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Awful, Curz. Just awful...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Why not just go "Necessary Roughness" and find some sumo-dude to play NT?

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 10:58 AM


Haloti Ngata already plays for the Ravens...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse


And he's a Pro-Bowler.

For real there is a big-time sumo wrestling circuit in Japan. You'd think some of these guys have got to be willing to take a stab at a pro football career.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

curz, saw that, funny...irresponsible reporting....PFT can't just put stuff out there for me to copy and paste, and then pull it off their website...just not cool...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 3, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Considering the frequency that Haynesworth gets hurt/winded they're going to need a solid backup NT.

With an uncapped season does AH become tradeable? If so who might want him?

Posted by: skinswest | March 3, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Hey Freaks-

NOBODY is giving us a 2nd rd pick for Golston. N-O-B-O-D-Y.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 3, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is perfectly fine with the double/triple teams. He's been getting them all his life. Does ANYONE remember when he first came to Ashburn one year ago and he was asked about his potential impact? He stated to the reporter that he doesn't expect to put up gaudy numbers, but if he does have an impact, it will be reflected in the sack totals of his teammates.

The result: RAK makes the pro bowl as a rookie, and Carter has double digit sacks also.

I am surprised that no one is making a mention of Terrence Cody with our 2nd round pick. All this talk about a true 3-4 NT...the guy proved his worth at Bama, even if he is a tub of lard. I mean isn't that what one wants at that position anyway? I'm all for Davis/Okung at #4 and Cody at #36 or #37 or whatever it is.

I know we need to address RB, FS, QB, FB, etc. but the Danny will most likely realize all things cannot be achieved in the draft alone and will make the other pieces fit through FA...he's probably got a woody right now just thinking about the uncapped year.

Posted by: KellRawLive | March 3, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

This looks like bait. I'll bet the Redskin's tendered it low enough to attract some fish to get an additional 2nd round pick. If so, that likely means Snyder wants to take a QB at #4 and shut the fans up with 2 OL picks in the 2nd round.
Posted by: clandestinetomcat | March 3, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse
If we can get a 2nd round pick this year it sure would nice. We might be able to nab another decent OL.
Posted by: clark202 | March 3, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse
We have one. I was thinking of another for GOLSTON, but somebody's got to match the offer first.
Posted by: glawrence007 | March 3, 2010 11:09 AM


The draft pick awarded if Golston were signed elsewhere would not be awarded until the 2011 draft…..not this year’s (I think).

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 3, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

This is definitely a "bait" signing move. Hope some team will "bite" and give the Skins a #2. They should also tender low offers to Rogers, the Montgomery(s), McIntosh and Doughty and hopefully get 2 more #2 out of it! Rogers and McIntosh should definitely get some interest!

Posted by: JohnWWW | March 3, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

PFT reported that Dan Snyder bought 2 alligator desks w/matching chairs for $600,000.

Turns out it was a crock...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 3, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse
Somehow I misread that story. I thought it was a gator, and now I find out it was a crock. That changes everything.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Why not just go "Necessary Roughness" and find some sumo-dude to play NT?

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 10:58 AM

Haloti Ngata already plays for the Ravens...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 11:02 AM
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Yep, sounds a little far fetched doesn't it? I was reading yesterday in one of the sports columns that there are not a lot of 3-4 defenses in college so the pickings at a true NT are quite slim. Just thinking the team might have to be creative to come up with a stump in the middle.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Greg, this time the irresponsible reporting is on the part of the NY Post...they had the Snyder thing on Page 6 and Snyder was the one that brought attention to it by releasing a statement about it. Seems to me, Snyder needs to grow thicker skin about stuff like this (you know, like alligator skin).

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

This isn't a bait move. Nobody will give up a 2nd rounder for either Golston or Doughty. Both received the same tender.

If they wanted to bait someone, they would have chosen the option to tender them for same round as drafted compensation. But I'm sure the Skins would rather have Golston than a 6th rounder.

Posted by: dfbovey | March 3, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys!

Orlando Pace is out there!

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

For real there is a big-time sumo wrestling circuit in Japan. You'd think some of these guys have got to be willing to take a stab at a pro football career.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I think those guys are making millions already. But it is an interesting idea. Find one of the lesser known sumo wrestlers, make them imagine they are in an 8 ft. circle with C and 2 G's, and push them back into QB. Nice.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Awful, Curz. Just awful...

Posted by: brownwood26

Guess I better hold on to my day job.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 3, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

We will definitely need another space hog NT this season, and Griffen (who is done IMO - bad shoulder) and Golston are not it.

Does anybody trust Mongomery to be that guy? Are we even gonna try to sign him again?

BUT, we also desperately need a starting, shut down style CB. To me, that's where our second rounder goes. If they want turnovers, Carlos ain't your guy.

Hope a NT like Cam Thomas (6-3 328 NC) or Travis Ivey (6-4 325 MD) is still be there in later rounds.

Posted by: edvar | March 3, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The draft pick awarded if Golston were signed elsewhere would not be awarded until the 2011 draft…..not this year’s (I think).


Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 3, 2010 11:15 AM

That's something different. That relates to teams losing UFA's. If a team signs an RFT, they have to give us their pick from this year's draft -- unless we negotiate something different, of course.

Posted by: League-Source | March 3, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys!

Orlando Pace is out there!

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 11:20 AM |

Hoping your just kidding. Pace is sooooo done.

Posted by: edvar | March 3, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys!

Orlando Pace is out there!

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse
Pace is damaged goods. We don't need him.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

This isn't a bait move. Nobody will give up a 2nd rounder for either Golston or Doughty. Both received the same tender.

If they wanted to bait someone, they would have chosen the option to tender them for same round as drafted compensation. But I'm sure the Skins would rather have Golston than a 6th rounder.

Posted by: dfbovey | March 3, 2010 11:19 AM


Is too a bait move. Someone calls up and says "Hey, I'm willing to give you a third rounder for Golston. You interested?" Or "I'm willing to trade Tom Brady for Golston. You interested?" Either way, he's gone. The second round tag is the bait.

Posted by: League-Source | March 3, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 3, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Matt Terl on Redskins.com has a good explanation of tenders, RFA, plus a link to the NFL Labor website for more details:

http://blog.redskins.com/2010/03/03/wednesday-march-3-a-quick-primer-on-restricted-free-agency/

Posted by: League-Source | March 3, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

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