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Via Dan Steinberg at DC SportsBog, Devin Thomas calls the Redskins "Drama City." ...

The locker room opens at 11 a.m.; Jim Zorn speaks at 12:25. We'll see what's happening and get an update on Chris Cooley and the other injuries. Given that most broken bones take six-to-eight weeks to heal and this now is week 8 of the season, it's hard to imagine that he'll play again this year and indeed sources have told us as much. ...

How well do you think the Sherman Lewis-to Sherman Smith-to Jason Campbell thing worked? On Leadership yesterday had an interesting discussion on the Redskins from a management perspective.

By Cindy Boren  |  October 27, 2009; 7:02 AM ET
 
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Posted by: Vicc | October 27, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Can't wait for Coach 4thfloor to show up and tell us we need to stop complaining, nut up or shut up, be men, etc.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 27, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

If we draft anything other than o line someone needs to beat the hell out dan. Say what you want about JC this is the worst damn line in football and I doubt any QB would look good behind them.

Posted by: jm220 | October 27, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

I actually thought the play calling looked significantly better. There were redzone calls with more than one option and some deception involved. There were well designed screens and moments when JC had open receivers deep down field due to timely use of play action.

The execution, on the other hand, was horrible. Run blocking was abyssmal, CP was slow, blitzers got through on max protection and JC looked awful. There were at least 3 times when he tried to throw back across his body and ended up behind the receiver, he failed to protect the ball, dropping his hand too low before delivering it and for a guy 6'4" not to get the ball over the line is unacceptable. Not to mention his repeated failures to avoid the rush even when the protection was decent.

So, that's what I think, anyways.

Posted by: LarryBud | October 27, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

I watched that game from beginning to end, and it was a sorry display for the Redskins. The Eagles seemed to treat it like a preseason game, and the Redskins could not stop them.

But boy, our offense can really move against a prevent defense, huh?

Posted by: hithere1 | October 27, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Why is Randel El still returning punts? I would have replaced him 2 years ago.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 27, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

If Snyder has any leadership qualities, he'd fire Cerrato this week, and hire someone like Chris Polian, and then allow them to build the team............that's a pretty big IF.

Posted by: Ireland2 | October 27, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

If we draft anything other than o line someone needs to beat the hell out dan. Say what you want about JC this is the worst damn line in football and I doubt any QB would look good behind them.

Posted by: jm220 | October 27, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Barring the addition of a REAL football executive, word has it that Danny LOVES Tim Tebow.


If Snyder has any leadership qualities, he'd fire Cerrato this week, and hire someone like Chris Polian, and then allow them to build the team............that's a pretty big IF.

Posted by: Ireland2 | October 27, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse


I'd love to get Baltimore's Eric DeCosta in here!

Posted by: stwasm | October 27, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

What the Redskins should do during the bye week:

Make a change at quarterback for starters. It is time for Collins. Give him lots of reps with the starting unit. The team should work with Levi Jones at left tackle, Heyer at right tackle and BMW at right guard. I think this would be a much better line and what they need is a lot of reps to get used to playing beside each other. It is time for Fred Davis to step up and he needs the reps at the starting tight end slot.

The front office needs to a) sign another tight end (may I recommend signing Robbie Agnone from NE's developmental roster) since Cooley will be going to IR, and b) another offensive tackle - especially if they plan on using BMW at guard and since Samuels will go on IR.

From a coaching perspective, I think this would be a good time to reach back to the Redskins players of the past who have been to the big game. I would have a guest speaker every day from the Super Bowl days just to re-establish that link to greatness. The players need to understand that this is a temporary setback and not business as usual with the Redskins. It is a team with a winning tradition and the coaches have to find a way to get back that mojo.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 27, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

"Why does the Redskins.com highlight reel show mostly Eagles plays?"

I don't know about y'all, but I'm all for hiring away some people from the iggles personnel department.

They lost a starting middle linebacker, have a nice tight end, released two starting tackles, traded for a tackle, rebuilt their o-line on the fly, drafted a speedy receiver/punt returner, found a great punter, lost Westbrook and replaced him with a solid rookie running back, traded a receiver for picks, traded a cornerback for picks, and look like they are about to make a run at the NFC East crown.

Somebody in that iggle personnel department knows what he's doing.

Let's hire that guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

This is the NFL QBs aren't going to have an eternity to get rid of the damn football. Is the line suspect? Yes, indeed they are.

But Jason Campbell IS NOT a starting NFL QB. Jaws picked him apart last night. Campbell is way too indecisive and scared of on-coming defenders to be even half effective.

On that check down, the one where Campbell froze the defender covering Moss, instead of staying with Moss for an easy six, he looks at the rush (which may or may not have been there) and checks down because he took his eyes off downfield.

These are ROOKIE mistakes that just enforces the point after FIVE years that he is not capable of leading a team.

Get him outta here. Put Collins in. F it, at this point what can it hurt?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

"Why is Randel El still returning punts?"

Randle El is about as useful as wet toilet paper.

Devin Thomas should be returning punts as it looks like he--and not M Kelly--is a keeper.

I'd also give Marko Mitchell some playing time as with Cooley's injury, the game day roster spot should go to a pass catcher.

Fred Davis will play better the more he plays.

Randle El just shouldn't be playing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I think Andy Reid makes a lot of those personnel decisions.

Not saying he's a GM/HC type like Holmgren was, but I he has a lot of say in who comes to their team.

So if you want to lure Reid away from the Eagles and replace Middle-Man-Zorn, then yeah I can get with that.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 7:59 AM | Report abuse

redDmv

"But Jason Campbell IS NOT a starting NFL QB."


Yeah, he should be done as a starter.

Collins weaker arm means he'll make quicker decisions.

Campbell had multiple shots to make plays from 'max protect' formations, and really didn't show accuracy and quick decision-making.

And what's up with the constant fumbling?

It's like what Rodner Harrison said a few weeks ago: Soup ain't a meal.

And it's hardly satisfying at this point.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

I would have a guest speaker every day from the Super Bowl days just to re-establish that link to greatness.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 27, 2009 7:51 AM

The guest speakers ought to be talking to the owner, the GM, and the coaches. They're the ones who lost sight of what it takes to win games.

And is it possible that Chris Cooley jinxed himself with his blond hair? "Hey, I'm Chris Cooley! Look at me!" What an ill-time publicity stunt that turned out to be.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Agree on ARE he needs to be inactive and Mitchell needs to get his reps.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 27, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about y'all, but I'm all for hiring away some people from the iggles personnel department.

Let's hire that guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 7:52 AM

Okay. We'll hire him to replace Dan Snyder. Who should we get to replace Vinnie?

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

F ARE, the dude blows

Cooley has been hanging with The Caps, they do wacky stuff with their hair....

I know sport to sport analogies are somewhat incongruous but my gawd I wish Snyder would go the Leonis/Caps route and just accept the pain of blowing up, rebuilding and stocking the cabinet with young hungry uber talented freaks...

Viva La Burgundy Revolution!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Kinda sure Chris Cooley didn't dye his hair as some sort of pub-stunt.

Cooley isn't one of those types. The way that he is draws attention to him naturally.

It's not like he's holding press conferences with a costume on in the middle of the week.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

I could count 9 other guys who shouldnt be playing and hopefully wont be here next year

Posted by: mudman220 | October 27, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

league-source

"We'll hire him to replace Dan Snyder."

The personnel chief for the Philadelphia Eagles is a guy named Joe Banner.

I got a controversial idea.

Would anyone give up this year's first round pick to trade for a strong personnel guy like Banner or Ossie Newsome?

Given the issues related to the lack of talent and versitility on the redskin roster, losing one pick to get a guy who'll make the right ones--for now and in the future-- is more important than having the pick itself.

The clowns presently running the redskin circus might not even draft the offensive linemen the team obviously needs, so why entrust them with the responsiblity to rebuild the team?

Is trading away the 1st round pick for a talent guy--like Banner or Newsome-- a good idea at this point?

It might be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

lay'em on us mudman

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

It's pretty sh*itty that there is a policy of confiscating any expression of negativity with the franchise. Can't confiscate an empty seat, though. Unfortunately?

I have it on good authority that the Washington Post that actually sneaked in that ESPN-themed protest blanket, then blackmailed that woman to hold it up.

Oh yeah, why did the media break Cooley's ankle? After all, he is one of you what with all his blogging and etc.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 27, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

I love my team.
There.
I said it.
I have loved this team since I was old enough to understand what football was and who that lumbering behemoth wearing 44 was and why he was astounding.
I will always love this team. It's trite to say that I bleed burgundy and gold, but slice open a vein, and you'll see the truth. When I got engaged, I sat my girl down and explained that in the fall Sundays (and an occasional Monday night) were Mine - not hers, not ours, Mine.
I have gone to great length to NOT miss a game - be it radio, TV, pirated internet stream, and once via shortwave.
But, now... it just hurts too much to watch what it's become. It's like going to a strip club and slipping bills into a girl's g-string only to realize that she's your daughter.
It's like drawing down on a home invader only to realize you just shot your dog.
I had a friend who texted me last night and said "I just can't help but laugh."
Well, I can. I mean, I suppose humor is the solution for some, but I imagine it's not a hearty laugh. I imagine it sounds more like a cough - some exhalation of air that gets stuck somewhere between the heart and the mind. I guess he's laughing because it hurts to much to do anything else. But that laugh, my turning off of the TV in the 3rd Quarter, the signs (being confiscated) at FedEx demanding change in the FO is all we have left to us this fall. We do those things to cover our pain, to try and mask it, to try and heal this gunshot wound with a band-aid.
It's just sickening.

Posted by: PuffyMcScrote | October 27, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

on a positive note, i am on the internet in a plane! i love the mutha dry humpin 21st century!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Can we have a fan lottery where fans come in and replace the entire staff? I mean, clearly they can't get worse...

Posted by: capecodner424 | October 27, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

red, 1-BILLION percent agreed,that play to moss was just a microcosm of what ails JC, JC isn't a starting caliber qb in the NFL, not for a successful NFL team that is. He done got exposed last night, Jaws ripped him, then Steve Young ripped him, 2 guys who happen to know a thing or 2 about playing the position. JC is scared, and he's got the deer in headlights look. If you're going to give the other team an easy 10 points off your turnovers, then you'd better be scoring in the 30's to make up for it.

The only positives that I saw were Andre Carter who is playing GREAT, I thought that Mike Williams played well in spots, and gee, turns out if you actually THROW the ball the DT and FD, they can do something with it....where was this 23 games ago?? Screw running 'perfect routes'...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

on a positive note, i am on the internet in a plane! i love the mutha dry humpin 21st century!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 8:16 AM

Bashin' Danny Snyder from 35 thousand feet. You, my friend, rule.

Posted by: PuffyMcScrote | October 27, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

If I was a smart owner, I would fire Vinny and Stan Hixson today. Instantly promote Morocco Brown to interem GM and give him the task of 1. Calling any ex-skin great WR's and asking them to come in and coach up the WR's for the season. 2. Getting his scouts working hard on ID'ing the best O-Linemen in the draft. 3. Start putting feelers out there for any trades we can make to get more draft picks at the end of our season.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

all 5 starting offensive linemen (cant block)portis (cant practice or run by anyone anymore)landry (does he still play here when was the last time you heard his name on a productive play) are (forgot how to play when he left the steelers) and campbell(reminds me of ramsey who after getting killed by spurriers offensive protection was too afraid to play his game if he ever actually had one

Posted by: mudman220 | October 27, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

if I'm JZ today, I cut rogers outright....dude just flat out is mailing it in...can't cover the double move STILL, 5 years into it, can't catch the ball, just is giving NOTHING to this team...don't want him, can't win with him....he's not coming back next year, and other teams wont give you SPIT for the guy, get him outta here, I'll take my chances with Tryon....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

great rant puffy mc...

I feel the same way...I am "out of market"for 10 years and I think have not watched like 2/3 games...

But with a one year old daughter, crisp fall afternoons and a laundry list of projects I think I might stop the sports bar ritual. I can do siht around the house and watch real NFL football via local broadcasts....

And I say this knowing that its is giving up sunday afternoon drinking, cheeseburgers and time with by friends away from 'real life' but this is just ridiculous....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

cL, you're on a plane?

I'm on a SJK'n BOAT!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

"...ARE he needs to be inactive and Mitchell needs to get his reps."

True.

Didn't ARE re-do his deal so he could leave at the end of this season?

If he's gonna go, why play him and not the rookie who's worth the investment of time and money?

Get Marko Mitchell on the field with Thomas, and Moss.

Let's see what the kid can do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I agree with moe. If you think about it we could have about 15 new starting players next year

Posted by: mudman220 | October 27, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Kinda sure Chris Cooley didn't dye his hair as some sort of pub-stunt.

Cooley isn't one of those types.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 8:12 AM |

Red, did you miss that whole pregame feature about what a publicity hound Chris Cooley is? The man has talent and was our best offensive weapon, but he is also the team's Publicity Seeker number 1.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

we could have 10 new starters on the offense alone.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Is the line suspect? Yes, indeed they are.

Red have you lost your mind? Suspect? They are down right Fuing awful man!!!!

Posted by: jm220 | October 27, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

good list mudman...

I have been a pro-portis forever, now sure whateves he can go.

No one is sacred, except most are b/c of salary cap implications...

And F uncapped year, that siht is complicated...so I will think about it when it is official. Plus it just means lock out and that would suck...not b/c of the Skins, but b/c I love watching the NFL so much....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I agree with moe. If you think about it we could have about 15 new starting players next year

Posted by: mudman220 | October 27, 2009 8:25 AM


Sure we need to get younger, but more than that we need a new EVP of FO.

Posted by: PuffyMcScrote | October 27, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

What kind of picks you all think we can get for LaRon this offseason?

I see either a 2nd and some 2nd day junk or maybe we can get a 3-4-5?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

chrislarry

"I am "out of market"for 10 years and I think have not watched like 2/3 games..."


This is why I love the Sunday Ticket.

For years, I'd watch redskins games, flip to other games during commercials, and notice that other teams were more athletic, versitile, and dynamic on offense.

It's a shame a proud team like the skins got exposed on national tv.

But the thing about exposure is that it should shame you into doing what's right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Rogers, Campbell, the CLASS of the 2005 draft...what a complete and utter waste...neither guy has taken ONE step forward since being drafted, each guy however is a complete and utter bust...Rogers played well for 1/2 a season last year, as did JC...thats all they have done for the last 5 years.....ufb....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS*

I was headed in the gates at FedEx last night and a younger guy had a fire Vinny T shirt on and they made him take it off!!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 27, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

After last night I'm betting there are O linemen and tight ends on 31 other practice squads calling their agents to say "If you get a call from the Redskins, don't pick up."

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Cooley is Cooley, so what? Dude is fun, funny and gets it from a sports entertainment standpoint.AND he beasts on the field.

F the No Fun League....

I am pissed Cooley is hurt. F Fred Davis, dude still sux. He catches some garbage passes and celebrates like he just invented a a vaccine for H1N1 flu. I loved when big upped himself after his second attempt to catch a TD...a worthless one at that.

Congrats dawg on your "big game"

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Serious question. Anyone have an answer.

Why in 2 years of this offense have I never seen one hard slant thrown?

As I understand it they are used on three step drop, timing routes and work best against blitzes. They are also out of the qb's hands in like 1 second, and don't require reading progression.

Does that sound like something that might help this team to you?

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I've gotta a nickname for our offensive line.Along with the Hogs and Dirtbags,we can call this group the Matadors.They are truly offensive .I don't know Stephon Heyer accepts his check with a straight face .Overhaul this team, starting with a competent GM.

Posted by: keivinsmith56 | October 27, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"It's like going to a strip club and slipping bills into a girl's g-string only to realize that she's your daughter."


Been there, done that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers is totally mailing it in.

He's suggested many times that he will/does not want be here next season.

He's looking for a payday, and the 'Skins will be dumb enough to give it to him.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

al, agreed on trading landry, he's starting to go the bust route as well...and please telling me how he's playing out of position just holds NO water, just because he's playing out of position, means he can't tackle?? Doughty routinely outplays landry on a game to game basis...get what you can get for him...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS*

I was headed in the gates at FedEx last night and a younger guy had a fire Vinny T shirt on and they made him take it off!!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 27, 2009 8:31 AM |

That's because it wasn't an officially sanctioned Fire Vinny T shirt sold by NFL Products. It was a cheap rip-off that violated their copyrights.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

CL,

I'm hoping dude has a big year and maybe ups his trade value. Great to get a third or fourth rounder for the guy.

Of course all this presumes that we get a GM, he recognizes the unique opportunity the uncapped year presents to dump old over the hill talent and young d's like Davis.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

F Fred Davis, dude still sux

Really cl?? why because he's not cooley?? Guy played hard last night, and he's finally getting the chance to show what he can do....I don't get that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

"Been there, done that."

I really wanted to make some joke like "which club?" or "did you get a dance?" or any other of a number of one-liners... but I just don't have the heart this morning to even make light of someone ELSE'S pain.

Posted by: PuffyMcScrote | October 27, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

What kind of picks you all think we can get for LaRon this offseason?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 8:30 AM |

Nothing. No one will pay his salary for the work that he puts in. You could get something for Horton, maybe a fifth.

The point is that the only guys you can get picks for are the ones you don't want to trade.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

That's because it wasn't an officially sanctioned Fire Vinny T shirt sold by NFL Products. It was a cheap rip-off that violated their copyrights.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Really? The NFL has a copyright on the phrase, "fire Vinny"? That's weird.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

On a positive note, I liked some of the things Sherm Lewis did.

His solution to use Mike Sellars as tight end was smart.

Going more 'max protect' was smart, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

something for Horton...AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...te made a funny...apparently you didn't see Horton, DH, and Rogers standing around exchanging recipes while Jackson ran by them....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I gave up on the game at the 4th Q.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

While I agree Horton is no world beater. He's the second worst starting safety on the team.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

He played hard? He got the check down deer in headlight looks that JC fed him while Eagles in prevent D. He was destroyed while blocking. He chest bumped and peacocked like an absolute selfish fool after the most rudimentry plays while losing by 17 points. He has the feet of a reserve LG on a UFL squad and flops like suffocating fish. His penchant for leaping is a joke. He flat dropped his first attempt at a TD catch and then when they called the play again and he actually caught it he acted like he just solved middle east peace.

AND

everytime I see him on the field I think about the 2nd year O-linemen that we would all be saying how great it was to see step up and solidify the line..

but yeah other than that he is boffo.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

jm, honestly dude watching that game last night I was only able to single out one dude where I thought: "What the f is he doing out there?"

That was Stephon Heyer. I don't know how ANYONE can defend that heaping of steaming garbage. That dude is awful who has straight up regressed over the last few seasons.

Hell I even thought Mike Williams played a hell of a game. I beginning to think he may be a keeper, if for noting else for depth. But he didn't look bad starting either last night.

The eagles were able to hurry, knockdown and sack Campbell a bunch of times, but before we lay that all at the feet of the o-line, remember this is the Eagles -- known for their creative style blitzes.

The coaches should have been more prepared for that. (LMAO @ the thought of "Redskin Coaches") But on a few times even I could tell where the blitz was coming from and no audible was called for protection at least. That's on your boy, Campbell.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

So how do we forfeit the rest of the season?

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

gw, at this point, it should be Doughty, and an open competition....none of the others have done ANYTHING to deserve starting...trotting landry out there, is aking to trotting rock out for the ko...don't just do it because thats how its been done....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I would think we could get a few late picks for LaRon then. The one nice thing I think I am seeing is that Fred Davis may work out as a good 2nd TE which means the team can have 2 good pass catching TE's.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Where are all the Campbell apologists NOW!!?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 27, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Heyer is not an NFL player, he is lost out there.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

So how do we forfeit the rest of the season?

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2009 8:46 AM

One game at a time.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Yes Red, Heyer is horrible. Awful. If he is truly the best the skins have at that position I can't think of a bigger indictment on the front office because he is horrible.

He's even worse than Landry. At least we didn't waste a first rounder on Heyer I guess.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

MK 12 is who BG thought he was....pre draft.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

but yeah other than that he is boffo.

never said this, I just said he played hard out there, and as far as preening, and all that, um...have you watched portis/moss...they don't peacock?? whateves I guess...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Beantown,

In Portis' defense. He only Peackocks if his run is OVER 3 yards. Never after a 2.5 yard run.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

we have two roster spots to fill

chris samuels to go onto IR (y he wasnt on there BEFORE the eagles game, i dono...prolly our genius front office)

chris cooley will most likely go onto IR as well

with those two free spots, we need to go find a young o-lineman and bring back alridge

this team needs to bring him back as the "change of pace" back we need, cuz its obvious portis isnt gettin it done

ACTIVATE marko and deactivate ARE...put DT11 to return punts...at least he showed a lil bit of speed and elusiveness last night

Posted by: AhsanFamily | October 27, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I am not anti peacocking...but there is time/place....call me kooky but after a 5 yard check down whilst trailing by 17 points in the 4th qtr of a Nationally televised game where have you become a national punchline and your playing b/c the much more talented player in front of you snapped his ankle in two....maybe not the place.

And not whatevs...I am right. F whateves these playes suck. The coaches suck, the FO sucks, the owner double sucks....and I suck for even caring.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Looks like other owners getting involved.

Bud Adams tells Jeff Fisher to play Vince Young now
Posted by Mike Florio on October 27, 2009 7:08 AM ET
On Monday, Titans coach Jeff Fisher was strangely non-committal regarding his starting quarterback, Kerry Collins.


Now we know why.


Owner Bud Adams, who has remained loyal to and supportive of former starter Vince Young, has told coach Jeff Fisher to flip the switch back to the third overall pick in the 2006 draft, according to Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean.


Adams previously made his wishes generally known in comments to the Tennessean, in the hours after a 59-0 thumping at Foxborough. Per Wyatt, Adams has been "more direct" regarding his desire to see Young back on the field.


Fisher, on Monday, was anything but direct.


"Both quarterbacks had a good week,'' Fisher said Monday regarding practices prior to the team's October 25 bye. "But [Kerry Collins] had an especially good week last week. . . . I am not going to go into details about lineup changes. Those are competitive issues.''


Young became the starter as a rookie, and he nearly led the team to a 2006 playoff berth despite an 0-5 start. He held the job through 2007, but an injury and an apparent emotional reaction (punctuated by a police search the following night after Young went missing) to being booed at home in Week One of the 2008 season prompted Fisher to go with Collins.


As the Titans piled up wins last year under Collins, finishing 13-3, Young became the forgotten man.


With the losses piling up this year, Adams wants to see what Young can do.


"If you don't play the guy and lose all your games, it is hard for you to see what he can do for you," Adams said on October 18. "Vince has won a lot of games for us.''


The Monday comments from Fisher suggest that the long-time coach believes Young won't spark a reversal -- and possibly that he'll only make things worse. The good news for Fisher is that, with a clear appearance being created that Young will be playing against Fisher's wishes, he'll be able to explain away a 2-14 or worse record when trying to get his next job by saying that he was forced to play a guy who no longer has it.


Of course, maybe Vince Young still has it. One way or the other, it looks like we'll be finding out on Sunday, when the Jaguars come to town.


The Titans and Mr. Young would appreciate it greatly if the paying customers refrain from booing, hissing, or otherwise expressing display with hand or finger gestures.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 27, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I loved Sherm Smith's playcalling. It was far and away 100% better than Zorn's. That play in the end zone where Campbell hit Thomas on his third read made me smile. That was a great misdirection play and if Rabach hadn't SJK'd the snap we would have scored on that same play in the 4th. We need a new left tackle, center, and right guard before we even think about breaking 20 points in a game. Heyer, Rabach, and Montgomery were terrible.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

you want to trade someone?? Trade Fred Davis anyone that watched this guy play in college knows he has serious talent. The lack of the coachs ability to get him in the game and use that is an indictment of them...

That being said he is a pass catching tight-end not a blocker. I believe given the chance he could have a nice little career. We need to trade him after the season instead of letting him waste away on the sideline when Cooley is back

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 27, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

The solution is for DANDY DAN to wise up and start acting like a bona-fide NFL owner instead of the spoiled brat who outgrew his mamma's basement.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 27, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

gweez, haha, sorry, I should have know...is there a peacocking heirarchy that exists...like you can't peacock for anything under 10 yards...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

That's pretty weak, CL. Fred Davis got his first significant playing time and was the 'Skins leading receiver. But you're down on him because he's not Chris Cooley who, by the way, never has been a reliable blocker one-on-one.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Having said that F Davis. The peacocking I don't care about although it was just out of place.

He said he was going to fly home but now that he's starting he's going to stay in DC and put in work.

Sorry but that says all you need to know about the dude.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

In relation to drafting, we need a top drawer corner to replace CARLOS ROGERS. Then the other team wouldn't score 27. And JUSTIN TRYON ain't it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 27, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I am not anti peacocking...but there is time/place....call me kooky but after a 5 yard check down whilst trailing by 17 points in the 4th qtr of a Nationally televised game where have you become a national punchline and your playing b/c the much more talented player in front of you snapped his ankle in two....maybe not the place.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 8:54 AM

But you're pro-peacocking when it comes to Chris Cooley's peroxide on national TV when the team is 2-4. And it's okay because "he hangs out with the Caps and they do weird things to their hair."

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

some observations:

-Fred Davis has route running and catching ability but CANNOT block. Several times ESPN showed Davis getting destroyed by T. Cole. Twice it led to sacks.

-CP runs into the backs of his lineman every single carry. I dont care if that's where the lane is supposed to be, make a cut or do something sheesh.

-JC truly made some nice throws but he is literally making rookie mistakes (as Jaws pointed out several different times) Campbell plays scared and can't hold on to the ball....time for Collins.

Posted by: skinzfan4 | October 27, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

gweez, yeah, I saw that, which was good to hear...obviously I wish cooley didn't get hurt, but I can't get down on FD for being excited about playing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Gotta agree, Malcolm Kelly, along with Fred Davis were wasted draft picks.

The only time you can back the Davis pick is under the current circumstances, but seeing how Cooley rarely misses games, if it all, just flat out makes no since at all.

I was doubting Landry back in the preseason after watching him because before they played any games, I thought he was poised to become among the elite safeties in the NFL, but I was so wrong about that.

Landry is definitely riding right into BUSTVILLE, along with Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell -- matter of fact, Campbell already had a spot there.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

my moves:

ARE/Rock off returns now

levi in full time LT

Marko active. Moss slot

Give Rock some carries, WTF fresh legs...portis is abused and checked out and Betts is a 7 year mirage.

Collins in, need brains

More mike sellers at TE for blocking

practice squad poaching in full effect

Orakpo/Jarmon at ends, Wilson at LB daniels roating at tackle.

Feed DT11 lets see.

Fire Vinny, promotebROWN

Can Zorn, players want him but dont show, punish players by canning "there guy" plus just wash the stink away...make official we are in the market for GM/Coach and start dating

Snyder should sit down with for a long interview and eat crow like it was carolina pulled prk. Start repairing the PR and fan connection. Stop confiscating siht, run some concession specials...some fan appreciation stuff.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Not sure why JC plays so scared...happy feet in the pocket and a deer in the headlights look. I just think he's lost all his confidence. Better for him and us if he can get away from D.C. and try to restart his career somewhere else...

Posted by: mattylight | October 27, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

-CP runs into the backs of his lineman every single carry. I dont care if that's where the lane is supposed to be, make a cut or do something sheesh.


Posted by: skinzfan4 | October 27, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Luckily for our lineman Portis runs at 3 mph into their posteriors.

But agreed, someone needs to tell Portis that they don't mean "hit the hole" literally.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Peacock?

Is that doing some dumb dance after you did something basic like run for a five yard gain?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Where are all the Campbell apologists NOW!!?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 27, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

We're still here. Why? Are you delusional enough to think another QB would have made a difference?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Snyder should sit down with for a long interview and eat crow like it was carolina pulled prk.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 9:01 AM

There's the problem right there. It's not kosher. Of course, if he's a scientologist he can pile in the pig although he needs to give a tenth of it to the Priest or whatever the dude's title is.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Where is MattyLight this morning?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 27, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm fairly detached at this point from the 2009 season, so I'm able to look at the bright side:

1) Two of our new receivers saw significant action and caught TD passes.
2) The play calling WAS better.
3) The defense played great again.
4) Snyder and VC got railed on by a nationally televised crew, in large part for the OL
5) It is now beyond dispute that JZs play calling is in fact bad
6) It is now beyond dispute that JC cannot perform at an elite level
7) 5 and 6 should make some decisions easier, that's why they are bright sides.

So the bright side is that the FO might be embarrassed enough to make a change and actually fix the OL next year. And at least some of our receivers aren't a complete bust.

I had hoped Campbell would play good enough to give reason to go after OL exclusively next year, and not go after a QB. Unfortunately he did just the opposite, setting in solid stone his future with this team - there is none.

Posted by: REXskins | October 27, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

"'Skins leading receiver."

Excuse me if I am unimpressed by garbage time catches from a QB who repeatedly looks off open wide outs to scaredy cat dump to outlet dudes....

but sure hand jobs all around for FD's "big game" future looks bright, very bright indeed.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

And HEYER can bring it? Whoever scouted HEYER should be fired. DANO, you're the micro-manager extrodinaire. Fire the dolt along with the sycophantic coaches who said they could successfully "coach him up." No wonder JON "Statue" JANSEN was pizzed when he was released.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 27, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

pa, stop....just stop....both Jaws, and Steve Young eviscerated JC...he pumps, and jerks, like hes having a seizure in the pocket...he's gotta just let it FLY...was he under duress, yup, but lots of qb's are as well...he continues to fumble 10 in 7 games...he's made marginal progress since last year.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

yes Red, you nailed "peacocking"

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I got BG's back re: JC......

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Better for him and us if he can get away from D.C. and try to restart his career somewhere else...

Posted by: mattylight

I said this months ago. It's like being in a relationship and you both are terrible at being in it together. If it isn't you that's starting arguments, then it is her, one is happy, the other isn't...

When it comes to that point it's better for the two people to come to a mutual agreement to part ways.

The crazy thing about is if the two of them have some of the same friends you hear about how the two never looked happier.

Campbell's relationship with the Redskins has run it's course. Time for both parties to move on.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"but sure hand jobs all around for FD's "big game" future looks bright, very bright indeed "

cl, i've yet to see anyone say anything but that he played hard...easy on your hate for someone not named cooley...if he sparks the team, where is the harm...again, whateves, I was happy FD produced, and happy he scored....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I hear that the Sports Junkies are giving away Dane Cooke tickets.

WHAT would you rather see. Skins or Dane Cooke?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

For those dancing on Campbell's grave you are about 5 weeks late for "told ya's"

Secondly, you have to feel for the guy. Most QB's would fail behind that line and coaching.

Third, he's a good dude. Hard to take pleasure in his pain.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

He may have even regressed, Beaner.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I hear that the Sports Junkies are giving away Dane Cooke tickets.

WHAT would you rather see. Skins or Dane Cooke?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

C

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

chrislarry:

Wow. Some moves!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 27, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

pa, stop....just stop....both Jaws, and Steve Young eviscerated JC...he pumps, and jerks, like hes having a seizure in the pocket...he's gotta just let it FLY...was he under duress, yup, but lots of qb's are as well...he continues to fumble 10 in 7 games...he's made marginal progress since last year.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

It's really a moot point. JC will be on IR within the next 2-3 weeks so who cares? Collins is going to be injured too. By week 10 it'll be Andre Woodsen running for his life.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Hey. I'm a long time reader but don't post often.

In the official NFL.com gamebook, there are 12 men listed in the starting offensive lineup for the Redskins. This usually happens when the first play of the game is run with 12 men, but there was no penalty called. Does anyone have quick access to video to confirm who was on the field?

At first glance, Fred Davis looks out of place, but here's the listed starting lineup:

WR 89 S.Moss
LT 74 S.Heyer
LG 66 D.Dockery
TE 86 F.Davis
C 61 C.Rabach
RG 63 W.Montgomery
RT 71 M.Williams
TE 47 C.Cooley
WR 11 D.Thomas
QB 17 J.Campbell
FB 45 M.Sellers
RB 26 C.Portis

Thanks! I didn't get to watch the game last night, but from the sounds of it that may have been a blessing in disguise.

Posted by: CrocRobinson | October 27, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I had hoped Campbell would play good enough to give reason to go after OL exclusively next year, and not go after a QB. Unfortunately he did just the opposite, setting in solid stone his future with this team - there is none.

Posted by: REXskins | October 27, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

In my opinion there are some OL players on other teams practice squads that should have been drafted by the skins this year but weren't. They can grab 2 now since Cooley is out and have them in camp. Then they can look to free agents for solid vet help on the O line. That way there is more flexibility in the draft cause this team need play makers on offense and at least two players in the secondary next year along with a line backer.

Posted by: TWISI | October 27, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"Give Rock some carries..."

My god, yes.

If you get to see the end he had down towards the end zone, there's more 'turnover' and quickness in his legs than what either Betts or Portis provides.

I''d like to see what would happen if Rock got 15-20 carries a game at this point in the year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

my bad FD rules, what a spark he is! When he does that two left feet shuffle air dive, man the team rallies...

Hey we'll see won't we. Lets check back at season's end. I have no issue admitting when I am wrong, just rarely happens is all...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

during pre-game, they showed some plays from the Chiefs game, where there was a perfect pocket, no rusher getting close to jc, and he stuttered, and stammered, and threw up all over himself....and threw into double coverage...

speaking of throwing, how about JC getting Sellers de-CLEATED in the 4th...

Fletcher throwing up on camera before the game should have been a sign of things to come...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Our line is awful. Our RB's are slow and not bruiser types. Our WR's are incapable of getting separation. Our QB does not have the accuracy to thread a needle with no time.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I would rather watch the skins loose every game for the next two years than have to watch Dane Cook do standup.

I would rather shove thumbtacks in my eyelids than have to watch Dane Cook do standup.

I don't mind his 'acting'.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I have no issue admitting when I am wrong, just rarely happens is all...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 9:16 AM |

Wrong, again. ;)

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Yes somehow it does feel good to think of all the players the Redskins should get rid of, or trade for draft picks if possible. But this is Dan Snyder's team, and he'll make all those decisions.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 27, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Where is MattyLight this morning?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 27, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

BenchCampbell,

I'm not even going to get into a back and forth discussion with a meathead like you or anyone else who thinks that Jason Campbell is the sole reason we suck. Not gonna do it. So here is all I have to say:

I don't think he played well last night. Had several balls way behind our receivers, looked flustered, had a bad fumble, etc. No, I don't think Collins would have done much better. I think 6 sacks for Campbell would have been about the same, if not more, with an immobile Collins in there. But go ahead and feel like you're affirmed in what you think. I don't really care. I watched the whole game, too, and wondered the following questions that you prolly can't come up with because you're too busy foaming at the mouth for JC to be replaced.

Things like: how unacceptable it is for our "top 5" D to allow a 60+ yard TD on a reverse 3 plays into the game. How unbelievable it is that ARE could botch a punt return when we actually had some momentum after scoring a TD and a 3-and-out by Philly. How bad CP has become. How our "Top 5" defense can allow Jeremy Maclin to go uncovered (luckily McNabb didn't see him), only to repeat the same mistake on the next series and allow a 57 yard pass on 3rd and forever to DeSean Jackson.

BTW, I already said this morning that it looks like Campbell plays without any confidence anymore. I don't blame him. I think it's best for him to move on and get a change of scenery and hope to restart his career.

But don't worry, Bench, we're just a QB away from being NFC East Champs! Moron...

Posted by: mattylight | October 27, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

dane cook blows, I am with Dik.....wow maybe that reads weird...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

The washington redskins, will have a worse record end of the season than the Wizards did last year.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

agreed with who ever said time to start poaching practice squads for players...give boone a shot...I mean, like he could be worse than what we've got...stephon ole'heyer

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Our RB's are slow ...

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 9:17 AM

It would be more accurate to list them as WB's, Walking Backs.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I loved Sherm Smith's playcalling. It was far and away 100% better than Zorn's. That play in the end zone where Campbell hit Thomas on his third read made me smile. That was a great misdirection play and if Rabach hadn't SJK'd the snap we would have scored on that same play in the 4th. We need a new left tackle, center, and right guard before we even think about breaking 20 points in a game. Heyer, Rabach, and Montgomery were terrible.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 8:55 AM

Yeah, playcalling seemed better I guess, although it made almost no difference in the outcome of the game overall. So what does that tell us?

Campbell was Campbell. Nervous feet, indecisive, just looking like a bad fit for the offense as a whole. Someone said it last night: he needs a good line, a running game, and to throw play action passes all night (like Rypien in his heyday, by the way). He is not a good NFL dink and dunk, WCO QB. He just isn't. And he wasn't originally drafted for that by Gibbs, either.

Dear lord, why Heyer and Montgomery are out there is beyond me. And Rabach, he might have all the reads and protections down, but he was getting blown off the line LAST YEAR and that's only gotten worse.

BMW looked good to me. Good pass protection on the DThomas TD, solid one on one protection. The guy is huge and seems to be getting his feet back under him.

Clinton Portis was on Valium. Or Ambien, sleepwalking on his way to Dan Snyder's house. He is done.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 27, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

something you want to tell us cl with that last statement...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

If we draft anything other than o line someone needs to beat the hell out dan. Say what you want about JC this is the worst damn line in football and I doubt any QB would look good behind them.

Posted by: jm220 | October 27, 2009 7:44 AM |
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Oh, shut the fok up with that line of garbage.

Yes, the O-line blows, but so does the QB.

Let me repeat that so it gets through your thick foking skull: The QB, Jason Campbell, SUCKS BIG TIME.

Because I was driving, I listened to the radio broadcast for the first half and Boomer Esiason was all over Campbell; when I got home, Jaws and Gruden were all over Campbell in the second half.

The line blows, sure. But the Eagles blitzed the entire second half because they had a 17 point lead and NO FEAR WHATSOEVER that the Redskins offense can score behind that piece of ignorant trash wearing # 17.

The replay Jaworski showed where he missed a wide open Moss running free down the sidelines for what would have been a TD, instead checking down to ARE, underscores his total lack of awareness in the pocket, his fixation with staring at the rush instead of looking downfield (as if looking at the rush is going to stop it).

He's a cipher.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 27, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Depressingly funny play of the game:

While the game was still "winnable" with a monster play by D being the key to any hope Carter demolished McNabb and forces the fumble. The Ball sits on the turf for what I clocked at about 9 minutes and 33 seconds underneath Wilson's feet. 3 Skins had crack. Eagles recover.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell = Jay Schroeder

Line from the Sixth Sense, Jason Campbell style: "I hear footsteps... they're everywhere."

Reality check for those dissin' on Sleepy Davis: He is now our starting tight end.

Anyone notice how Sherm Lewis calling the plays seemed to result in the younger guys getting the football more often? Why do you think that was? Congratulations to both Fred Davis and Devin Thomas for their first receiving touchdowns. May they have many more.

I would totally be behind Snyder firing Zorn and Cerrato this week. I mean, do it right - send them to their cars escorted by security with their cardboard boxes...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 27, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Davis's job includes blocking, not just catching and dancing. His production was nullified by his lack of blocking. Get rid of him while he still has value.

I don't know how anyone could watch that game and find anything positive about it. Our team is way worse than we thought and until Li'l Dan hires football people (If he can get them to work for him. That is the big unknown)this is the product we can expect. Despite thier good intent, happy thoughts and blind allegence do not work at this level. Li'l Dan and his minion have poisoned this once proud franchise and a long, and likely painful, recovery may not be enough to save it. Nice work guys!

Posted by: splitbill | October 27, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

In my opinion there are some OL players on other teams practice squads that should have been drafted by the skins this year but weren't. They can grab 2 now since Cooley is out and have them in camp. Then they can look to free agents for solid vet help on the O line. That way there is more flexibility in the draft cause this team need play makers on offense and at least two players in the secondary next year along with a line backer.

Posted by: TWISI
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I don't want to see ONE defensive player taken in the draft, NOT ONE. It's obvious what the teams problem is, and it might seem a little drastic, but I would completely ignore the D in favor of building the O until we're capable of scoring 20 points on average.

Our offense has gotten SO BAD that even our awesome defense cant keep us in games anymore because of the turnovers that give the other team such great field position. Our offense is losing it for us on BOTH sides of the ball. Think about that, and then tell me you want to draft for the defense.

Posted by: REXskins | October 27, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, playcalling seemed better I guess, although it made almost no difference in the outcome of the game overall. So what does that tell us?

Posted by: hithere1 | October 27, 2009 9:21 AM

That you weren't paying attention. We put 17 points on the Eagles. That's the best defense we've faced and a marked improvement over previous outings. We had more first downs and total yardage than the Eagles. And we beat them in time of possession.

Why we absolutely won everywhere except the final score. Oh, and turnovers.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

That was maddening CL. It seems to be way it has worked for the skins for years.

They fumble, it stay on the ground and they recover.

The ball slips out of a skins hand and bounces up landing into the hands of the opponent.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I just can't believe that Snyder can watch these games and think his plan is working. Confiscating negative signs and t-shirts is (sh*tty) one thing, but seeing the Redskins actually play a game (is much worse) is another. Can't ignore the (lack of) results on the field.

Seriously, how can he continue on this same path? I think the Redskins franchise is crumbling around his ears, and he'll probably STILL just say, "let them eat cake."

Posted by: hithere1 | October 27, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Randle El is no punt returner. hardly a punt catcher,as a reciver his skills are weak. Needs to be inactive from now on. Start Marko, Sack JC and start anyone else at QB. And FIRE VINNY !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | October 27, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Get rid of him while he still has value.

you should stop posting...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

BOOTLEGS CAN ACTUALLY WORK!!!

HALLELUJAH, ITS A MIRACLE!!!!

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 27, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"Why we absolutely won everywhere except the final score. Oh, and turnovers.

Posted by: League-Source"

Spoken like a true fan of a loser going nowhere franchise...

Maybe if we could score the NFL somewhat like rhytmic gymnastics you'd be on to something!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Interesting side note about the possibility of Snyder firing VC and JZ during the bye week: He would probably have to say something in front of the cameras. We know how camera shy he is... He might put it off just for that reason. I mean he IS crazy after all.

Posted by: REXskins | October 27, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins franchise is crumbling around his ears, and he'll probably STILL just say, "let them eat cake."

Posted by: hithere1 | October 27, 2009 9:27 AM |

You left out part of it. "Let them eat cake. $12 a slice at the refreshment stand."

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Its amazing to watch a QB take a 5 step drop and have 3 D-Lineman standing there waiting for him.

JC17 is not the problem...when he had the time to throw, he made the throw. He will never be elite to be sure, but he can be very effective even with the talent he has around him.

I think thats the hardest I have seen the RBs go all year

What a joke. Still though (probably all the burgundy and gold Kool-Aid) I kept feeling like they were going to come back and win.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 27, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins this season are the Muppets.

Sonny and Sam = Statler and Waldorf.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 27, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

now that Cooley is out can we finally give Marko Mitchell a chance?. Do we have to lose Moss and Thomas before before MM gets his chance? It wouldn't surprise me if the skins cut Mitchell to sign a TE to the practice squad, that's what dumbass teams do.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 27, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

"...agreed with who ever said time to start poaching practice squads for players...give boone a shot...I mean, like he could be worse than what we've got...stephon ole'heyer..."


This would be a good idea if the guy doing the poaching had some sense of what it takes to succeed in the NFL.

The skins FO passed on the linemen in the '08 and '09 drafts believing that the likes of Stephon Heyer and Chad Rhinehart were NFL ready.

The guy who would do the poaching needs to be changed or a strong head coach put in charge.

Let's ride out the season and answer the following question, "Is a strong GM-type from another team (Banner/Newsome/Pioli/Ireland) worth the 1st round pick?"

I'd say yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Our offense has gotten SO BAD that even our awesome defense cant keep us in games anymore because of the turnovers that give the other team such great field position. Our offense is losing it for us on BOTH sides of the ball. Think about that, and then tell me you want to draft for the defense.

Posted by: REXskins | October 27, 2009 9:25 AM |

Yeah but they're not going to have Carlos, or Smoot most likely back. Now that strong defense will be lead by D Hall and LL in the back end. Don't egt me wrong, I'm not saying the first pick has to be on defense, but to not address those needs sometime during the offseason would be foolish.

Posted by: TWISI | October 27, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

CL,
I don't see how the eagles recovered that. Looked to me like the refs just gave it to them.

Also put me on the list of people who think Jason Campbell needs to be on a running team with a good line. Trade him next year to Minnesota or Arizona, or Tennessee anywhere with a old QB who is near retirement and no real decent backup. Draft exclusively O line next year and find someone to play like Tony Banks for a year. Then draft a QB.

And yes Dane Cooke is a worthless human being.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Why would they call a fade route in the corner of the end-zone to our shortest receiver?

Get MM in there and give him a shot.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 27, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

To all you bashing the O Line I think we can agree they are not great (not even good) That being said that doesnt excuse CAMPBELLS play I was at the game. Even when he has time he does not go through his progression, he starts the 2 step at the first sign of trouble and takes his eyes off the field.

but hey never mind the overthrows the underthrows the lack of pocket awareness the fumbles (which are getting worse) the inability to go through progression and fear of throwing the deep ball leading to constant check downs.

your right that is the O Lines fault has nothing to do with Campbell as a QB

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 27, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

JC17 is not the problem...when he had the time to throw, he made the throw.

apparently you missed moss streaking down the sidelines, when JC checked down to a covered ARE....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

JC makes me fondly remember Tony Banks.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Trade him next year to Minnesota or Arizona, or Tennessee anywhere with a old QB who is near retirement and no real decent backup.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 9:32 AM

Alex, you can't trade a free agent. And if it's an uncapped year and you franchise him so you can trade him, guess what? He'll sign the contract and he's yours for $12 million.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I already said this morning that it looks like Campbell plays without any confidence anymore. I don't blame him. I think it's best for him to move on and get a change of scenery and hope to restart his career.

Posted by: mattylight | October 27, 2009 9:19 AM |
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Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 27, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Did you know that i have a better ff team record the the redskins do .

I am 4-2-1 and well we all know what the skins are

Posted by: joevick | October 27, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

You can bash JC all you want but with an offensive line and a RB we're 6-1 right now. I thought he did alright for being chased all night and trying to run on a sprained ankle. He still completed 67% of his passes and would have had 3 TDs if Fred Davis could catch. JC was the only offense we had last night. The fumble was all him and so were the passes that were behind the receivers. I don't blame him for the tipped pass though. I think if Montgomery even made an attmept at blocking that would not have happened. I still think we need to draft an oline then go from there. Campbell isn't great but he is a better QB than Heyer is a tackle, rabach is a center, montgomery is a guard, and right now better than portis is a running back. I still stand by the statement that we can win with JC. Let's face it, he put up 17 points almost by himself. He had no protection and no running game.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

apparently you missed moss streaking down the sidelines, when JC checked down to a covered ARE....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Ive seen Tom Brady do the same thing many times this year. Its going to happen. No QB does well with this line. (Maybe Randall Cunningham)

JC17 reminds me more of Patrick Ramsey...poor guy just got pummeled every sunday. That was more of a problem with Spurriers schemer rather than the O-Line.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 27, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs drafted Campbell who stunk it up last night. Joe Gibbs traded three draft picks for him NOT DANIEL SNYDER.

Posted by: mjwies11 | October 27, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Blaming JC for bad play is like blaming a 15 year old kid for getting into trouble when he's been abused his whole life and bounced around foster homes.

Sure, he's making some mistakes, but the guy is so conditioned to getting killed on nearly every play that his feet/timing/confidence are way off what they should be. He was getting KILLED last night and just kept getting up and shaking it off.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 27, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

You left out part of it. "Let them eat cake. $12 a slice at the refreshment stand."

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 9:30 AM

Well played, sir. Well played.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 27, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I am 4-2-1 and well we all know what the skins are

Posted by: joevick | October 27, 2009 9:36 AM

Really? That's awesome. You should bleach your hair blond and get your own website to show everyone how cool you are.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

owhever says the skins draft qb next year is an idiot. o line should be first. without o line you have no qb

Posted by: mudman220 | October 27, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"JC17 is not the problem...when he had the time to throw, he made the throw."

Whoever posted this is blind.

Seriously.

There were two specific occasions where the team 'max protected' and ran two man routes where both guys were open and Campbell missed them.

Too, what does blocking have to do with his have something like 6-8 fumbles?

Campbell is done in this town.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

pa, if you don't believe us, believe Jaws and Steve Young.....jc is playing scared, doesn't allow the play to develop, and wont throw until the receiver is WIDE open...he had MK on a slant route but pump faked, and pulled the ball down and ran, he had moss for a td, but watched the rush, and went to the checkdown....heck gruden was ripping him, saying he needs to hit that 5th step on a 5 step drop, and throw it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I already said this morning that it looks like Campbell plays without any confidence anymore. I don't blame him. I think it's best for him to move on and get a change of scenery and hope to restart his career.

Posted by: mattylight | October 27, 2009 9:19 AM |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 27, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Another intelligent post by MrRedskin21. My only hope in this 2-5 season is that a genius like him gets selected as our next GM.

Posted by: mattylight | October 27, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Rypien,
So your going nurture over nature?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

how much longer till the defense revolts

Posted by: mudman220 | October 27, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I already said this morning that it looks like Campbell plays without any confidence anymore. I don't blame him. I think it's best for him to move on and get a change of scenery and hope to restart his career.

Posted by: mattylight | October 27, 2009 9:19 AM |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: MrRedskin21
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You laugh but there are teams that he would start for. I think he's better than the following teams' starting QBs, and they could get him cheap: Tampa, Carolina, Buffalo, Tennessee, Cleveland, Oakland, and maybe SF although we'll see what Alex Smith does now.

So I think he'll start somewhere next year, and I wish him well.

Posted by: REXskins | October 27, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

pa, if you don't believe us, believe Jaws and Steve Young.....jc is playing scared, doesn't allow the play to develop, and wont throw until the receiver is WIDE open...he had MK on a slant route but pump faked, and pulled the ball down and ran, he had moss for a td, but watched the rush, and went to the checkdown....heck gruden was ripping him, saying he needs to hit that 5th step on a 5 step drop, and throw it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Bean, before the game (not sure if you watched the pre-game) both Millen and Young said JC was not a fit for the WC scheme. They said he was the kind of QB that flourished with a good running game and a lot of play-action -- not quick reads and a short, timing passing game. Maybe that's part of it, too...

Posted by: mattylight | October 27, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Get rid of him while he still has value.

you should stop posting...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1
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I didn't know you were The Gatekeeper of Opinion.

You need to post less and get a life.

Posted by: splitbill | October 27, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: hessone | October 27, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Can't wait for Coach 4thfloor to show up and tell us we need to stop complaining, nut up or shut up, be men, etc.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 27, 2009 7:41 AM

I am resigning from my post as Optimistic Fan/Wannabe Head Coach for the 2009 season. Offseason starts now.

Zorn should turn his in as well. And JC17 should concede to Chase Daniel, who we should sign off New Orleans Practice Sqaud today.

And Vinny needs to find some rope long enough to make a noose.

And Dan Snyder needs to use that same rope after Vinny stops moving.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled programing......

Hail!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I heard Gruden say alot of good things about JC17 (and some obviously bad things)

Alot of the mistakes that JC17 is based on his mind-set right now. If they get a strong O-Line and he is pretty well protected in the pre-season, I think he comes back to what he did last year

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 27, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I think the Campbell vs. Oline debate is kind of beside the point now. They both stink right now. Chicken, egg?

There are problems everywhere, and now they reinforce each other. Heyer is terrible wherever you put him on the line, DEs have blown by him clean in pass protection almost every game this season. Campbell is indecisive, doesn't trust protection, misses reads. Result: lots and lots of three and outs when you have a passing based offense.

This kind of stuff is happening all over the place now. ARE muffs a punt (isn't that the second one in three weeks now?). Moss drops a TD in the end zone (might have been slightly tipped, but still hit him in the hands). Davis drops a TD pass (then catches one next play later, so alright).

Defense is playing well though, even DHall chipped in with a tackle or two.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 27, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

how much longer till the defense revolts

Posted by: mudman220 | October 27, 2009 9:44 AM |
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I think it's already started.

The sideline close-ups of Fletcher and Haynesworth last night said it all.

They're disgusted with the offense, and rightfully so.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 27, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

not the gatekeeper of opinion, just wanted to point out how galactically stupid your comment was....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

BOYCOTT $NYDER ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!

Posted by: hessone | October 27, 2009 9:47 AM

Ah, Redskins Insider. The first place to look for original ideas, cleverly expressed.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I am resigning from my post as Optimistic Fan/Wannabe Head Coach for the 2009 season. Offseason starts now.

Zorn should turn his in as well. And JC17 should concede to Chase Daniel, who we should sign off New Orleans Practice Sqaud today.

And Vinny needs to find some rope long enough to make a noose.

And Dan Snyder needs to use that same rope after Vinny stops moving.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled programing......

Hail!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2009 9:48 AM

Sorry man, I was rubbing it in and shouldn't have. I understand why you wanted to be the optimist. Good to have you here.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 27, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

If you draft a QB its fine, just don't let him on the field till you fix the line, find a Lamb QB to start in the meantime. Now I would draft a Tackel first but thats me.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

QB play was awful, RB play was awful, OL play was awful, Defense - so/ so, but the Eagles had never achieved a 1st down when 3rd and 10 or longer, but they did on us...Landry sucks, Rogers is atrocious that double move that beat him was so bad...Carter had a big game, but had to make up for the end around TD.

As happy as I was to hear ESPN stick it to Cerrato and Snyder, it was so embarassing. I live in Cincy and must have received 10 calls at least saying how we had taken over the crown of worst team in league from the Bungles.

Zorn needs to step away or be fired, he did nothing yesterday - most expensive cheerleader on the planet/ but he stayed MEDIUM - D Bag...If I knew where ARE lived I would run him over or shoot him - the guy sucks, period and then they put him back in doing the same terrible job...FIRE STAN HIXSON, FIRE ZORN, SHERMAN SMITH and DANNY SMITH

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 27, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone could get sacked 6 times and beat up and general and sit in the pocket and throw the ball. What pocket? I was there at the game. A few plays Jason had 1 second to throw the ball. And this is not with a blitz. So there is no hot receiver open.

The blocking scheme or blockers have to change. You can't win game getting punked like that every week on the line.

Posted by: punchdaclock | October 27, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

And JC17 should concede to Chase Daniel, who we should sign off New Orleans Practice Sqaud today.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2009 9:48 AM

Too late. New Orleans moved him from the practice squad to the roster.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Fire Zorn or cut Stephon Heyer.

Either one would make this Tuesday a little less terrible.

RE: O-line vs. Campbell
O-line is playing terrible, maybe worst in the league. Campbell is playing below average but there are worse QBs starting today.

Don't worry about who's to blame for what, there is enough blame to go around when you are this bad.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 27, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Rypien,
So your going nurture over nature?

Posted by: alex35332

Yes I am. Didn't you ever see Trading Places with Eddie Murphy??

Seriously though.... we all saw how JC was performing in the first half of last year... you don't just turn into a bad QB for no reason. He's making mistakes, but the guy's psyche is so messed up from a year of getting pounded into the ground that its hard to blame him too much. I just feel bad for the guy. He's taking his licks and not pointing fingers.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 27, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't this be funny as hell:

Next home game when the skins are losing say 24-3 at the half...every fan will shout all at once...I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS $HI% ANYMORE....and then just walk out of the stadium. That would be classic.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 27, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

@Hit There -

No apologies needed, except from Jim Zorn, Jason Campbell, and Vinny Cerrato.

I will be waiting for them today.

I held out hope until the very end. But when they punted instead of going for a 50some yard FG, my optimisim ended.

The 2009 Redskins have no fire, no drive. They're just losers and they accept it. I don't so I have to disconnect myself from this year.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Turnovers was the name of the game. Lookin' forward to the draft and, huh.. hopefully under new management.

Posted by: RedCherokee | October 27, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I would go like this...

Gray Interim HC, Blache DC, S.Lewis OC

I like Gruden announcing, the team of Jaws and Gruden is pretty informative to listen to on MNF.

And WHO would want to come here after seeing us getting roasted on the Pregame show.

If we could trade Landry, Cooley or Davis, maybe trade A. Carter or Chris Wilson, A. Montgomery for draft picks, best and most we can get, would be lovely if we could get 7 to 8 picks or more...Dont the Iggles have 10 picks this year, FUUUUUUUUk

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 27, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Next home game when the skins are losing say 24-3 at the half...every fan will shout all at once...I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS $HI% ANYMORE....and then just walk out of the stadium. That would be classic.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 27, 2009 9:57 AM

Probably be one of the most-watched videos on Utube. Although, who's going to stay around to make the video?

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Not stupid, just an opinion. But if it makes your pathetic existance more bearable to call other opinions stupid while spending all your time hand wringing over a 'team' on this board, have at it.
Not every one can be an adult and good luck with middle school.

Posted by: splitbill | October 27, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I don't want this team to win another game this year. I want to go 2-14.

2-14 will get the fans and, more importantly, the owner to realize that we are more than a player or 2 away from being a contender.

2-14 will force the owner to make a change at the top and bring in a legit football guy to run things.

2-14 get us a top 3 draft pick.

2-14 will force us to get rid of ineffective players with bloated contracts.

This team needs a monumentally bad season to remove any misconceptions about talent, structure and management that this owner has.

I especially want us to lose to the Raiders. That loss would clear up any doubt that the owner has that this team needs a complete overhaul.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 27, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

B-Mitch said it last night and ill say it again..WE NEED A ATTITUDE MAKEOVER!! Someone needs to step up and show some cajones. I have seen our SPECIAL TEAMS coach smith numerous times more fired up on the sidelines than anybody else on the team. Its really sad....

Posted by: SkinsEmAll | October 27, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

B-Mitch said it last night and ill say it again..WE NEED A ATTITUDE MAKEOVER!! Someone needs to step up and show some cajones. I have seen our SPECIAL TEAMS coach smith numerous times more fired up on the sidelines than anybody else on the team. Its really sad....

Posted by: SkinsEmAll | October 27, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"[JC's] made marginal progress since last year....."

He's actually regressed pretty significantly. Last season, and even at the beginning of this season, he was not having the same problems with his fundamentals or footwork in his drops. But starting in the TB game, he lost it. He's not equipped to stay poised in the pocket under heavy pressure. He's the most mentally F'ed QB in the game right now (well, Delhomme and every Browns QB are, but Campbell could be a close 4th). He progresses through his reads way too quickly, is way too concerned about his pass-protection, and on top of that, his ignoring of fundamentals is making his throws imprecise. These were not problems in the Giants, Rams, or Lions games. They have developed since then, setting him back two seasons.

That said, I see hardly any possibility of Todd Collins coming in and being successful with this offensive line. Collins is the model of a QB that you do not want under center with a porous offensive line in front of him. He showed this against KC, he showed this two seasons ago against Seattle in the playoffs.

At best, we have to hope Levi Jones is still a real NFL-caliber offensive tackle. He is literally the only tiny sliver of hope this offense has of actually improving to mediocrity.

Posted by: psps23 | October 27, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

And if Jason Campbell throws one more SJKing 2 yard pass when we are done by 17....I may kill my own self!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Let's come up with the twenty yard shotgun. Rabach hikes the ball twenty yards to Campbell who will now have time because he's twenty yards back. Have the offensive linemen let the defense pass rush and then JC dumps the ball of to a running back who is close to line of scrimmage. This will work, right? If nothing else, this will wear down the defense if they have to do twenty yard wind sprints on every play.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 27, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

pa, if you don't believe us, believe Jaws and Steve Young.....jc is playing scared, doesn't allow the play to develop, and wont throw until the receiver is WIDE open...he had MK on a slant route but pump faked, and pulled the ball down and ran, he had moss for a td, but watched the rush, and went to the checkdown....heck gruden was ripping him, saying he needs to hit that 5th step on a 5 step drop, and throw it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

McNabb did the same thing but nobody is calling for him to get benched. The thing is you guys miss all the praise and only remember the bad. Where were you when they were slobbing his knob for that TD throw to Thomas or for driving the team down to get that field goal? He made a lot of big time throws last night and you're too blind to see it. He was the only offense we had. We only got 43 yards from CP.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

The 'Skins mega-sucked last night and still only lost by 10 points, even beating the Iggles in several statistical categories including first downs, time of possession. The 'Skins undeniable suckage really diverted attention from just how bad the Eagles are. Better than the 'Skins, for sure, but far from the Super Bowl contenders that many had projected before the season.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Where is the accountability:

JC17 looks like a gun slinger. 90% of his throws looks like he's pulling the ball out of a holster.

Does Roger's understand when he's the deep cover with short help?

Can we audible to something like a slant or screen.

Posted by: pv1999 | October 27, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"I held out hope until the very end. But when they punted instead of going for a 50some yard FG, my optimisim ended. "

This flumoxed me as well

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

What a joke. Most teams would at least go no-huddle down 17, yet the Redskins were prancing back to the huddle with 8 minutes left and calling plays like the entire 2nd half remained. J-Reid, can you please ask Zorn at the presser why he didn't go no-huddle for the entire 4th quarter, let alone the entire 2nd half?

Also, end of year cuts below. Where someone was drafted does not matter. It’s time to re-evaluate everything and start over, even if it means cutting high draft picks due to under-performance.

DEFNSE:

Rogers
Horton
Landry
Smoot
Daniels
McIntosh (never makes game-changing plays, sacks, INTs)

OFFENSE:

Hayer
Randle El
Betts
Cartwright
Portis
Montgomery
Rabach
Williams
Rinehart
Moss (maybe)

Posted by: quinn3 | October 27, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

McNabb did the same thing but nobody is calling for him to get benched.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 10:05 AM

Really? Reid benched him just last year.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs drafted Campbell who stunk it up last night. Joe Gibbs traded three draft picks for him NOT DANIEL SNYDER.

Posted by: mjwies11

Yes yes Gibbs' had final say on who to draft those years. I think Gibbs II clearly showed he didn't know how to properly value players. But who cares? Gibbs is gone two seasons now. And there are many more recent decisions to look at.

I watched the game last night for the first time this year and I could not believe how awful the offensive line was. It was so bad, hard not to think somehow it's deliberate. But I can't come up with a motive for it. It's simply criminal neglect.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 27, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

4th I hear you, wanted to gouge my eyes out last night watching us down and him throwing dinks and dunks, pathetic...kid is to scared and blind.

YOu have to wonder, when he misses the WR, like Moss's play, does Moss come back into the huddle and say hey you moron, I was wide open, Wide Open, lets try that again, next set of downs, PROBABLY not...

This team makes absolutely NO , I repeat NO adjustments.

Iggles were wide open with Maclin, someone upstairs seemed to notice and they went back to the play, Where is our UPSTAIRS...

I feel cheated, b/c I feel they dont even try, esp. Portis, esp. Rogers, esp. Landry...what will it take, I think you cut one of them or sit them for the rest of the year on the sidelines in their pads, but they never see the field or have the chance to get their bonuses.

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 27, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Ode to the Redskins, loosely based on a W. H. Auden poem

Stop all the play clocks, cut off the booth telephone,
Prevent the Philly fans from barking with a juicy bone,
Silence the Redskins band and with muffled drum
Bring out the coffin, let the Redskins Fans come.

Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead
Scribbling on the sky the message The Redskins' season is Dead,
Put penalty flags round the white necks of the pigeons and doves,
Let the referees wear black cotton gloves.

They were our North, our South, our NFC East and West,
Our working week and NFL Sunday rest,
Our noon, our midnight, our talk, our fight song;
We thought the season would last for ever: We were wrong.

The stars and free agents are not wanted now: our hearts are torn;
Pack up the Vinny and dismantle the Zorn;
Pour away the beers and sweep up the tailgate food.
For no football now can ever come to any good.

Posted by: PASkinsFan1 | October 27, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

"

The 'Skins mega-sucked last night and still only lost by 10 points, even beating the Iggles in several statistical categories including first downs, time of possession. The 'Skins undeniable suckage really diverted attention from just how bad the Eagles are. Better than the 'Skins, for sure, but far from the Super Bowl contenders that many had projected before the season.

Posted by: League-Source"

Thanks I feel soooooooooooo much better now!

I think the shine came off the eagles when they lost to THE RAIDERS! Yet we lose by 10 with a late TD....hmmm what does that tell us?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs may have been a flawed coach and evaluator but he was a hell lot better than what we got now. Not defending the guy as good by any stretch but whereas Joe got his coaching right 51% of the time and personnel right 50% of the time, now were getting a 0 in each category.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

pa, mcnabb won..all that stuff falls by the wayside when you win...do you think we're ripping JC if he won?? No, nope, and not. JC is now 18-25 in his career...winning covers a numbers of sins...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

But if it makes your pathetic existance more bearable to call other opinions stupid while spending all your time hand wringing over a 'team' on this board, have at it.

Posted by: splitbill | October 27, 2009 10:02 AM |

Can you explain the logic of this to me? You're posting on a board to criticize others for posting on the same board? Isn't your existence more pathetic than theirs?

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Iggles were wide open with Maclin, someone upstairs seemed to notice and they went back to the play, Where is our UPSTAIRS...

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 27, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Completely Agree mhartz1. Not only that, but our defensive coaches upstairs obviously did not see tape of Maclin being wide open either or we would have been ready for it again when they went to Jackson for the TD.

Posted by: quinn3 | October 27, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

The 'Skins mega-sucked last night and still only lost by 10 points, even beating the Iggles in several statistical categories including first downs, time of possession. The 'Skins undeniable suckage really diverted attention from just how bad the Eagles are. Better than the 'Skins, for sure, but far from the Super Bowl contenders that many had projected before the season.

Posted by: League-Source"

I think the shine came off the eagles when they lost to THE RAIDERS! Yet we lose by 10 with a late TD....hmmm what does that tell us?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 10:11 AM

I said that it told us that we megasucked. Do you see it differently or did you just not understand the term "megasucked"?

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Exactly, went back to the play that worked, but with another WR, to throw off the defense, we haven no plays like that, nor do we ever make adjustments.

I can only hope that Lewis will make this team better with his play calling and more time he has in the box upstairs to watch the game and review tape, but not making adjustments is unexcusable, say what you will about Gibbs 2.0, whatever, but the guy was still able to make halftime or game time adjustments.

I like Blache, but it is same thing over and over again, no change, no adjustments, not enough blitzing, we have better cover guys than alot of teams, why cant we blitz like the Iggles or any other team?

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 27, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

the flanker screen to DT I think showed some of his athleticism, showed he can break tackles, needs to be an every game type of play, MWilliams, seemed to do okay, I thought he held up well, saw him absolutely obliterate #31 on one particular play, it didn't rain....

trying to add some positivity...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Really? Reid benched him just last year.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

He didn't get benched for missing a wide open receiver. That happens to every QB every game. Anywho, I don't think there are any good free agent centers so we're stuck drafting one. I don't know if O'Dodwd is coming out. If he is then we need to take him in the second.

1. Russell Okung
2. Evan Royster
4. Matt Tennant

2010 offensive line

Russell Okung LT
Derrick Dockery LG
Matt Tennant C
Mike Williams RG
Levi Jones RT

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Wow guys, Snyder really is delusional. Check out redskins.com and click on schedule. Scroll down to the Eagles game, and it says that we won 27-17!

Posted by: Predator48 | October 27, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

1. Russell Okung
2. Evan Royster
4. Matt Tennant

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 10:19 AM |

Can Royster run a 4.3 forty?

Posted by: TWISI | October 27, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I think the shine came off the eagles when they lost to THE RAIDERS! Yet we lose by 10 with a late TD....hmmm what does that tell us?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The late TD still counts, it's not like the Eagles were playing prevent d, they still were coming on blitzes.

Does a TD have to be scored within the first 3 1/2 quarters for it to count for you?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 27, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

...FIRE STAN HIXSON, FIRE ZORN, SHERMAN SMITH and DANNY SMITH

Danny Smith is the only one that shows any kind of fire on the staff.How in the world is he the only one that knew we didnt even have a #35 on the field for the kickoff. Bunch of clowns...

Posted by: swalker5 | October 27, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

pa, mcnabb won..all that stuff falls by the wayside when you win...do you think we're ripping JC if he won?? No, nope, and not. JC is now 18-25 in his career...winning covers a numbers of sins...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

The object is to win. I feel that addressing the left tackle, RB, and center position in this year's draft gives us the best chance to win next year and into the future. I think acquiring another QB will leave us in the same situation as the Bears. We will just have a new guy to blame all our offensive woes on.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Look, this team (on offense at least) no longer cares. There's no sense of urgency.

Everyone saw that last night when the Redskins were down three scores with 9:38 left, and they were running plays - dinks and dunks - and sauntering back to the huddle. Even if they had scored on that drive (which they didn't), the drive ended with just 4:40 left on the clock.

They blew 5 minutes off the clock, because they weren't in a hurry-up when they needed three scores.

That's Snyder's fault how? That's Vinny's fault how?

That's effin' Zorn's fault.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 27, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

At least the Skins didn't give up two firsts for Cutler. They'd be stuck in the same boat with an awful team but no draft picks to make it better.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | October 27, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Stephon Heyer isn't a starter. I agree on this.

'It's the OLine.'

I def don't agree with this.
Of Jason Campbell 6 sacks, it breaks down like this:

* 2 were on the OLine
* 2 were on the RBs and or TE
* 2 were on Jason Campbell

And the Fumble and the 1st missed snap/fumble was def on JC....

Does anyone disagree with this assesment?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Did everyone see what Peter King wrote yesterday about JC?

"The Redskins probably are going to have to get a quarterback after the season. Charley Casserly had some good tape Sunday on the CBS pregame show of Jason Campbell ignoring open receivers downfield to consistently throw checkdowns. This echoes what opposing coaches have been saying, and it's certainly part of why McDaniels wouldn't trade Cutler to the Redskins in April; he wanted a quarterback he could trust and one he felt he could win with, and that quarterback was not Campbell."

Peter King has been one of JC's biggest fans. When the 'Skins drafted him King said JC would prove to be one of the five best players in the draft.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

pa, the problem is that when jc has time, he still does the same thing as when he's under duress...

this is a qb driven league...you either have a qb who can lead your team, or you don't....and I'm pretty certain that if you asked Steve Young, Jaws, Gruden, or guys of that ilk, they'd say we don't.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I would keep Danny Smith, he supposedly had no say on who he gets to use as a returner, that was something the Junkes blurted out today that I think was mentioned off the record to them a while back.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Can Royster run a 4.3 forty?

Posted by: TWISI | October 27, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Nope, he's a between the tackles runner. We can get a 4.3 speed guy later in the draft. The SEC is full of those guys. The only 2 elite backs with that speed are going to go in the first round. Spiller and Best will not make it to the second. If they did then I would love to take one of them.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: hessone | October 27, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Have we even seen what Edwin Williams can do at Center, the kid we drafted from Maryland or was he undrafted?

Would like to seee us make a stab at Alex Boone OL on 49ers, but that would mean we have to be thinking in FO...

OL, LB, RB and DB are immediate needs...QB of course too, but I dont think we should waste a high pick for one...maybe Vick? maybe someone else, I dont know much about Tavaris Jackson or any other back up, is John David Booty any good, anyone see him play during preseason?

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 27, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

A lot of the time Campbell is sacked because he, but may fall more on whoever is calling plays, doesn't or won't allow any audibles.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I got a crazy idea. Why don't we go and look for any Rookie UFA out there who was an option QB and just run the option all day long? if the line cant pass block for S*** just run the ball.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

They blew 5 minutes off the clock, because they weren't in a hurry-up when they needed three scores.

That's Snyder's fault how? That's Vinny's fault how?

That's effin' Zorn's fault.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 27, 2009 10:26 AM

You think Zorn hired himself? Your combination of arrogance and ignorance is priceless.

Posted by: mack1 | October 27, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

this is a qb driven league...you either have a qb who can lead your team, or you don't....and I'm pretty certain that if you asked Steve Young, Jaws, Gruden, or guys of that ilk, they'd say we don't.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Did you watch the pregame? The said he needs a running game and a line. They said there are only 2 guys in the league that could carry a team by themselves. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. We're not getting Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. There is no Peyton Manning coming up in this draft. I agree that we could get better at QB. We will. I just don't ant to do that this year. I'd rather wait and get a left tackle this year. I'm not a huge JC fan I just think we have more pressing needs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"Does anyone disagree with this assesment?"

Yes. The two on the "RBs and or TEs" are also on the offensive line, because they could not protect without the help of the RBs or TEs. That's why they were in there in the first place.

The sack/fumble, which I assume you put on JC, doesn't excuse the fact that JC was chased from the pocket to his left, protection was completely broken-down, and the play was dead. Even if he got rid of the ball, it was still as good as a sack. That is on the offensive line, even if it was JC's fault that he got stripped.


The offensive line is god awful. Beyond awful. There isn't a worse line in the NFL at the moment.

Posted by: psps23 | October 27, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

http://www.redskins.com/gen/games/schedule.jsp

Guys, what are you complaining about, we won!

Posted by: Predator48 | October 27, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

You think Zorn hired himself? Your combination of arrogance and ignorance is priceless.

Posted by: mack1 | October 27, 2009 10:32 AM

And you think Snyder gave birth to himself? It's his parents' fault.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Don't care about Campbell and him taking hits in the past. So what, he's one of those shell-shocked vets now that gets rattled when they hear fireworks?

Favre has taken shots, a bunch of QBs have taken shots, but they didn't make the same mistakes that Campbell makes... Hell at this point, can you even keep calling them "mistakes"? It's just the way he is and the way he does it. It's Campbell being Campbell and whatnot...

F the Campbell excuses. The dude sucks. End of story.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Ingram at Alabama is a beast, but I think if he comes out, he will be an early pick. There a ton of RBs coming out this year, we need to get one late that is a burner with size, not another Anthony Fumbleridge...

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 27, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

11-5
NFC Champs!

Posted by: joinnow | October 27, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I bet Dan and Vinny snowball.

Posted by: murphyz | October 27, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a huge JC fan I just think we have more pressing needs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 10:34 AM |
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Bulls*it you're not a JC fan.

As for Jaws, he was slamming JC the whole game - and rightfully so - for looking at the rush instead of downfield.

You think Jaws never played behind bad lines? Esiasion? Young?

They all have at one time or another, and they all know that Campbell is the bunk.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 27, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

pa, pressing needs are the ol, agreed. JC is not starting material in the NFL...to quote singletary, "don't want him, can't win with him"...he's damaged goods at this time, can't/wont get it done.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"Does a TD have to be scored within the first 3 1/2 quarters for it to count for you?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

no simply stating the final score wasn't very indicitive of the competitivnes of the game.....

but yeah search for some meaning in life, we all need crutches...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

There are only two positives that came out of the game last night.

(1) Fred Davis and Devin Thomas aren't worthless anymore.

(2) Sherman Lewis knows how to call plays. The two red-zone TDs (and the would-be 3rd red zone TD had Rabach not had an aneurysm at the snap) were all Lewis isolating a weakness in the defense. That's good playcalling, and something that has been missing for a long time.

Posted by: psps23 | October 27, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"Someone needs to step up and show some cajones."

I would, but the last time I did this, I got arrested.

That's what happens when you show your cajones to a kid on a playground in an hispanic neighborhood.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Ughhh...........well............ummmm...........sure. What I expected. Zorn vindicated!!! "It's not my play-calling!!!! It's the personnel!!!!"

Position summary:
- Portis is a bum. Stop falling forward please!!!!!!
- Cooley got a broken ankle. That hurts!
- Malcolm who?
- Carlos Rogers is a scrub.
- Andre Carter is decent.
- Haynesworth is ok.
- Golston is showing me something.
- Heyer is either in the wrong position or a bum. Not sure which.
- Santana is Santana. Quality but needs to be in the slot.
- Randle El..............Wow, you know how to blow momentum way too often.
- Jason Campbell.... I had your back but no pocket presence will get you what you saw last night. Problem is Todd Collins sucks worse.
- Fred Davis... good fantasy pick-up. Name another receiving TE on the squad. The blocking though......Wow!!!
- Devin Thomas....welcome to the NFL... now fix your hair dummy, you are a star!!!!
- De'Angelo Hall talks too much trash and couldn't hold Mr. Johnson jock strap.
(BTW - Mr. Johnson was drafted after Malcolm, Devin, and Fred last year..... real good scouting Redskins)

This team acted defeated, hence, was defeated. Funny enough the only excited persons on the team seemed to be Sleepy Davis and Devin Thomas. The Redskins forgot that football is supposed to be fun. That, to me, is the key ingredient in success in general. When you stop having fun, then maybe you need a new profession!!

We need Mike Holmgren as GM and Mike Shanahan as coach. Mutual respect and the moxy to look Danny in the eye and put there fat Super Rings in his face and say, "What the F do you know about football, Danny!!! Until you get one of these, step the F back and kiss these rings, Punk. Let us do our jobs, Trick!"

HTTR

Posted by: Skubsnax | October 27, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Favre was getting hit all day against Pitt and he still made some great throws, some poor ones too, but he at least gives them a chance...obviously not every qb is going to be Favre, but he has taken a lot of hits and still keeps on going, Big Ben gets pummelled and he makes plays...big thing is that they are NOT SCARED...JC is scared, how many times did Jaws say he keeps looking down at his line, his feet, his blockers, not trusting him. And for the fumble, there wasnt anything there, tuck it and run, hard to do when you are scared! He doesnt concentrate, b/c he is scared, he cant see down the field cuz he is scared, shell shock with a case of Ramseyitis.

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 27, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

news we need news about what is going on at the park enough of this other stuff

Posted by: joevick | October 27, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

With all due, mack. The combination of ignorance and arrogance makes us all suited to post here.

It's what we all are. Ignorant, because not one of us works for a NFL team or hasn't ever worked for a NFL team, so what the hell do we really know?

Arrogant, because it takes a little arrogance to blindly stick to a particular side of an argument no matter who or what is going onaround you to disprove your argument.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

moe, thanks, that made me giggle....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

but yeah search for some meaning in life, we all need crutches...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

What the F*** is this supposed to mean and how does it relate to anything I posted?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 27, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The best thing the fans could have done was to not go to the game, and show the entire nation that they are disgusted with the team. So much for that, ticket holding fans screwed up just as much as the players last night.

We could have started a national discussion about how the owner is losing a ton of fans, instead we will just fade into the background as one of the crappy teams, and the discussion will be off of Snyder and onto our players and coaches.

Posted by: REXskins | October 27, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Jaws has jumped the shark. *rimshot*

He's more interested in trying to prove his storyline for the game right and trying to shoehorn whatever he sees in to that storyline.

Jaws: Here comes the blitz! Audible now! (no blitz comes)

Jaws: He's not keeping his eyes downfield when he's scrambling! (Campbell throws the ball 15 yards downfield while avoiding pressure)

Jaws: He's not staying with his first read on that Moss slant and go! (Actually Jaws, ARE was his first read since there was a HUGE hole in the defense and Campbell pumped to Moss to keep ARE open. Of course Campbell than throws a bad ball, but Jaws was wrong again - Moss was a decoy, ARE was the first read).

Gruden, on the other hand, was spot on. He calls it as he sees it.

I'm tired of the Jaws worship because he's pretty hacky.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | October 27, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Here is a random thought, what would people think if we ended up trying to get the Eagles new D-coordinator a look as a new Head Coach?

I admit I am high on Jim Johnson disciples though

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I dont know how many of you watch comcast after the game but this was one of the first interviews with Devin Thomas. I like the kid. He was calling like it was, he looked at kelly johnson like the only difference between him and Deshaun jackskson was they give him opportunities.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | October 27, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

the moxy to look Danny in the eye and put there fat Super Rings in his face and say, "What the F do you know about football, Danny!!! Until you get one of these, step the F back and kiss these rings, Punk. Let us do our jobs, Trick!"

Posted by: Skubsnax | October 27, 2009 10:41 AM

It just might work. This is how Vinny has managed to keep his job.

Posted by: League-Source | October 27, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"A lot of the time Campbell is sacked because he, but may fall more on whoever is calling plays, doesn't or won't allow any audibles."


Aaron Rodgers for the packers gets hit a lot, too.

But for some reason, he's able to get multiple three hundred games and touchdowns generated.

So what's Campbell's excuse again?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

JC'S is done. He has mentally lost it. He has no athletic confidence and its painfully obvious. maybe he could get it back, but if you dont see that something is seriously fe'd up with the cat than may i suggest Boche?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers for the packers gets hit a lot, too.

But for some reason, he's able to get multiple three hundred games and touchdowns generated.

So what's Campbell's excuse again?

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone not making 15 million a year do that? I don't think so. You pay for what you get. You can dump 15 mill a year into a QB and that's fine. There is more than 1 way to build an offense. Now let's look at another approach. How is Kyle Orton doing? He sucks but he has a great line and a great running game. Who would you rather be right now, Denver or Green Bay?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

WR-TE-WR may actually be worth something. Next year, we should try and get DT or MK as the #1 WR and line up Tana in the slot. ARE can be the #5 WR for all I care.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 27, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

JC'S is done. He has mentally lost it. He has no athletic confidence and its painfully obvious. maybe he could get it back, but if you dont see that something is seriously fe'd up with the cat than may i suggest Boche?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 10:47 AM
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The difference between him in the first few games and the last few games is remarkable.

He looks like he's finally lost faith in the team.

Well, everyone has said he's a little slow on the uptake. He's only a few weeks behind everyone here.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | October 27, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

ryp, I could easily see moss in the slot, DT at one WR spot, and MK/MM as the 3, and 4....heck, split davis out wide as well...how did this get out of control so fast....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

So all of you complaining that Campbell isn't a starting QB how about your boy Cutler. How many int's has he had this year? And how about Kyle Orton who many in Chicago thought was a bum. Can any of you say "undefeated"?

As for "Jaws" and his "he's got to get rid of the ball quickly" no, "he's got to hold the ball and let the play develop" psychobabble, he's a blowhard trying to do color commentary. And really annoying at that. Talk about a team that sucks and should be replaced, that's the current MNF team. Geez, I actually was thinking that Theismann would be better than any of those guys.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | October 27, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell may be mentally destroyed and whatnot but I will not sit bye and allow anyone to think he is worse then Patrick Ramsey!

Campbell could still outplay Ramsey, he could do it throwing left handed.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

good one jesus pizza!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

paskinsfan

"Does anyone not making 15 million a year do that?"


Aaron Rodgers and Jason Campbell are both Class of 2005, 1st round quarterbacks.

They are both in their rookie deals.

Rodgers will get paid $15 million as he's succeeding despite a bad situation.

Jason Campbell won't be paid $15 million because he can not.

And Kyle Orton doesn't 'suck': he was a quality player at Purdue (he came in after Drew Brees left), and is lucky enough to be inherited by people who wanted him.

Jason Campbell was wanted by Joe Gibbs.

And St Joe is gone.

And soon, Campbell will join him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Jaws: He's not staying with his first read on that Moss slant and go! (Actually Jaws, ARE was his first read since there was a HUGE hole in the defense and Campbell pumped to Moss to keep ARE open. Of course Campbell than throws a bad ball, but Jaws was wrong again - Moss was a decoy, ARE was the first read).

Posted by: jesuisunpizza

Jaws wasn't a great QB, I don't think. But he had longevity in the NFL, and that damn sure means something other than the fact that, he, you know, actually played in it.

What makes you more of an analysis than Jaws? How the hell would you know that ARE was the primary on that play or not.

Excuse me, sorry, but I think I'll take the analysis from a well-respected analysis, former NFL player, and a guy who at one point was VERY high on Campbell than you.

There goes the arrogance again from RI. Plain and so damn obvious, yet refusing to acknowledge it...

YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY!....

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

jm, honestly dude watching that game last night I was only able to single out one dude where I thought: "What the f is he doing out there?"

That was Stephon Heyer. I don't know how ANYONE can defend that heaping of steaming garbage. That dude is awful who has straight up regressed over the last few seasons.

Hell I even thought Mike Williams played a hell of a game. I beginning to think he may be a keeper, if for noting else for depth. But he didn't look bad starting either last night.

The eagles were able to hurry, knockdown and sack Campbell a bunch of times, but before we lay that all at the feet of the o-line, remember this is the Eagles -- known for their creative style blitzes.

The coaches should have been more prepared for that. (LMAO @ the thought of "Redskin Coaches") But on a few times even I could tell where the blitz was coming from and no audible was called for protection at least. That's on your boy, Campbell.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 8:45 AM


No it's not. Remember, Campbell has no authority to audible in Zorn's offense. The skins probably don't even have an audible system. Zorn has stated before that he would bench the QB for not running the play called.


So where is the person who said I was being harsh towards Stephon Heyer when I said he is the worst tackle I have ever seen? Heyer makes any chump who lines up across from him look like Reggie White. Peyton Manning would look like crap with that pile of excrement protecting his blind side...or any side really.

Rabach is also terrible. Dude can't stop a power rush.

Posted by: ecale25 | October 27, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

What makes you more of an analysis than Jaws? How the hell would you know that ARE was the primary on that play or not.

Excuse me, sorry, but I think I'll take the analysis from a well-respected analysis, former NFL player, and a guy who at one point was VERY high on Campbell than you.

There goes the arrogance again from RI. Plain and so damn obvious, yet refusing to acknowledge it...

YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY!....
Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 10:57 AM
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So Jaws is infallible? He can't be wrong and you refuse to listen to any evidence saying he was very likely wrong?

Talk about aarogance.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | October 27, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me Redskins Nation has been offering solutions for years: shoot Snyder between the eyes, fire Vinny and hope that Ted Leonsis steps in and buys the team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 27, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Kyle Orton most definitely does not "suck".

Not saying he's great, but he doesn't suck. Half of playing QB comes before the snap and to make pre-snap reads. As a QB you should already have your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd options in mind.

Campbell doesn't do any of that. It's like he goes through his cadence and yells "Hike" and closes his eyes and just hopes for something to happen.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

What makes you more of an analysis than Jaws? How the hell would you know that ARE was the primary on that play or not.

Excuse me, sorry, but I think I'll take the analysis from a well-respected analysis, former NFL player, and a guy who at one point was VERY high on Campbell than you.

There goes the arrogance again from RI. Plain and so damn obvious, yet refusing to acknowledge it...

YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY!....
Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 10:57 AM
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So Jaws is infallible? He can't be wrong and you refuse to listen to any evidence saying he was very likely wrong?

Talk about arrogance.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | October 27, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"Excuse me, sorry, but I think I'll take the analysis from a well-respected analysis, former NFL player, and a guy who at one point was VERY high on Campbell than you."

This is so very true.

And, I'm sorry, Jaws is one of the best at breaking down what's going on as he watches tape and explains what he sees.

Hate on Jaws all you want, but remember: the story was that once Campbell had a strong quarterback coach and had been in the same system for two years, he'd blossom into a great signal caller.

Thing is, he hasn't, so with that excuse tossed aside, he's a goner.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

It's very simple. Hire a GM. The GM's first task should be to publicly announce that we don't expect to contend for at least the first two years, while we build the program. This would be as much for the owner as it would be for the understandably impatient fanbase.

GM hires coach and builds the team from the o-line out. This year's draft should focus on the o-line. Next year should be a QB, a dynamic half-back, and o-line depth.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 27, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

You think Zorn hired himself? Your combination of arrogance and ignorance is priceless.

Posted by: mack1

As is yours. If you took a job that you couldn't handle and you were fired, who would you blame that on? That's where Zorn is right now. He is a grown up. He made the decision to take the job. He knew the management, the players and what the expectation was. I don't see that as Snyder's fault. Zorn has lost the respect of his players. He cannot motivate them and now they are just dialing it in on plays. I see the only way to fix this is let Zorn go and put someone in the head coaching position that will hold the players accountable. I expect Dan snyder to do this - either now or at the end of the season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 27, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Rodgers has had a new contract for a while. He's going to count for about 14 mill against Green Bay's cap this year and he counted for about 12 mill last year. saying that they were both first rounders is a little disingenious. Campbell was projected to go in the second whereas Rodgers was seen as a top 5 pick. Rodgers fell in the draft and we paid too much for Campbell. Kyle Orton has been very similar to JC. He's an average QB that was on a crappy team. Now he's the same average QB on a good team.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 27, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Holy s**t people are still posting? So I see the Bench Campbell and Campbell sucks posts. Man if we had Jay Cutler I'm sure the Skins would be 6-1. LOL. What's more pathetic then these easy QB is the major problem posts, was the crowd turnout last night. I thought their was a revolution against the front office? I'm sure Snyder did a killing last night. Thanks for keeping his pockets straight.

Did anyone else see those losers in their Hogs gear? Jesus that's so 1991, please stop wearing those outfits. And you wonder why Snyder & Cerrato can continue to put out a terrible product, but somehow be able to make major money. Campbell did miss some throws, but he also made some throws as well. Moss dropped a TD and ARE with another terrible punt return performance.

I haven't even gotten to the MAJOR reason the Skins offense sucks this year. Our offensive line is the worst in the league. Not even Adrian Peterson would be able to have a run of longer than 20 yards with this line. Drew Brees wouldn't be able to have a passing game of 350 yards and 4 TD's with this sorry excuse for an offensive line.

Clinton Portis is finished and I think last night just reinforced that issue. Skins need to draft nothing but offensive lineman in the 1st 3 rounds of the 2010 draft. Colt can be the QB next season and boy that'll be a 3-13 team. We need to rebuild this offense and the line comes 1st. Portis will have to grind it out 1 more season, until we can draft a top RB. After Colt stinks it up next year we'll probably have to draft a QB in the 1st round.

Maybe Thomas, Davis & Kelly can show some promise the rest of the way. Damn DeSean Jackson is a player. To bad we didn't draft him. Oh well the season is over and I hope the fans stop going to the games. I doubt that will happen. Thank god for the Caps and the Wiz. Wiz season starts tonight can't wait. Go WIZ!

Posted by: trueredskinsfan | October 27, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 27, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

jaws played the game,thus he's operating on a higher plane than the rest of us...specifically, jaws played qb at the NFL level, so he knows a little something about what it takes, and what should be happening....no one suggested infallability, just a higher understanding than the rest of us...just like Gruden, and just like Steve Young...all whom took JC out behind the woodshed for his play...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 27, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"Excuse me, sorry, but I think I'll take the analysis from a well-respected analysis, former NFL player, and a guy who at one point was VERY high on Campbell than you."

This is so very true.

And, I'm sorry, Jaws is one of the best at breaking down what's going on as he watches tape and explains what he sees.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 27, 2009 11:05 AM

I like Jaws' tape analysis. He's just not very good doing it on the fly like Gruden is. It's obvious who's the coach and who's the talking head.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | October 27, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The Skins should be named THE WASHINGTON LEWINSKY's, cause they all BLOW!!!!!!

Posted by: priceisright | October 27, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

ecale25, who's in charge of the offense?

Don't worry, it's a trick question.

pizza, go back and read a few post. I can most definitely admit that a stinch of arrogance is on me.

Yeah, Jaws can be wrong. I'm sure he's been wrong plenty of times. But on that play he was right.

Usually the guy running the deepest route is usually the primary -- Why settle for less when you can have more?

If he's substantially covered then you work your way back to the line of scrimmage. That's basic and simple QB'ing.

Next.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

No one has said anything about Rabach. He is the worst center ever! He hasn't blocked good all year. Overlooked!!!! Lets not cut him any slack......

Posted by: liasdavis | October 27, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS SAD!!! FIRE CERRATO TODAY!!! HIRE A NEW GM!!! CLEAN HOUSE!!! ITS AN END OF AN ERA, EVEN THOUGH A BAD ERA!!!

CUT ALMOST EVERYONE AT YEAR END, INCLUDING PORTIS, RANDLE EL, RANDY THOMAS, DEVIN THOMAS, MALCOM KELLY, HEYER, MIKE WILLIAMS, RINEHEART, BETTS, CARTRIGHT, CARLOS ROGERS, CORNELLIUS GRIFFIN, DANIELS, TODD COLLINS AND JASON CAMPBELL

I BETTER NOT SEE ONE OF THESE PLAYERS ON THE ROSTER NEXT YEAR!!! IF CERRATO IS STILL HERE, IN ANY CAPACITY, EVEN AS SNYDER'S DOG WALKER THAN WE ARE STILL IN TROUBLE!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | October 27, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Portis has to be the most under achieving and overpaid RB in the NFL. If the team could drop players next year during a possible uncapped year and not take a salary cap hit, these players should be dropped:

Portis---- too slow and unproductive
Entire O-line--- except Dockery
Haynesworth---- not worth it
C. Hall---not worth it
Daniels---too old and slow
Betts----too slow
Randle El----unproductive
C. Rogers---don’t resign
Campbell---don’t resign
Collins---too old---need younger talent

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 27, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Is it my imagination, or is Chris Wilson one of the most talented and determined players we have?

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 27, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Man, the 16 yrd pass play to Macklin was telling of the attitude of the team.
Macklin caught the pass and was on the ground, a skins defender jumps over the guy and the 3 remaining defenders were slow to tag him down.
They don't complete plays and dont compete hard.

Posted by: priceisright | October 27, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs did draft Campbell, but he didnt draft him to be a WCO quarterback. Campbell was drafted as a work off playaction throw downfield QB. This is where the problem is. Campbell does not fit this offense. Now having said that Campbell has played somewhat scared his whole career, I was hoping that with experience he would become a decent QB but at this point I think its best if he moves on. Lets just hope the new coach isnt a WCO guy, lets hope Snyder does whatever he has to do to get Grimm. Lets get back to pounding people at the line of scrimmage and taking shots downfield. I have never been a big fan of the WCO offense.

Posted by: hudginsc | October 27, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs did draft Campbell, but he didnt draft him to be a WCO quarterback. Campbell was drafted as a work off playaction throw downfield QB. This is where the problem is. Campbell does not fit this offense. Now having said that Campbell has played somewhat scared his whole career, I was hoping that with experience he would become a decent QB but at this point I think its best if he moves on. Lets just hope the new coach isnt a WCO guy, lets hope Snyder does whatever he has to do to get Grimm. Lets get back to pounding people at the line of scrimmage and taking shots downfield. I have never been a big fan of the WCO offense.

Posted by: hudginsc | October 27, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell won't be in the league next year. I was rooting for this guy big time to have a successful season and career, but he just don't have what it takes to be a QB in the NFL.

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 27, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

2 year ago I said why J. Campbell on our roster. The only good thing I've seen Campbell do is hand the ball off to Ronnie Brown and C. Williams in collage. So, why please somebody tell me why we flew SKINS1 down alabama, scout this guy and thought he was a QB of the future..

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 27, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if we do have a bad OL.. Campbell don't have the feel for the game. I think everyting move to fast for him. Just think folks even if we had a OL and portis was doing what he suppose to do Campbell still wouldn't get the ball down field. He's the only Qb I know who play with fear.

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 27, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

No one has said anything about Rabach. He is the worst center ever! He hasn't blocked good all year. Overlooked!!!! Lets not cut him any slack......

Posted by: liasdavis | October 27, 2009 11:11 AM


I mentioned Rabach like three posts above yours....


ecale25, who's in charge of the offense?

Don't worry, it's a trick question.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2009 11:10 AM

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Are you referring to who calls the plays, who does the gameplans, or who gets under center?

Posted by: ecale25 | October 27, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

maybe this will bring some much needed comic relief, lord knows we need it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Q86Tu9ZHo

Posted by: nbrennan | October 27, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't even goin to read the Insider today, but I did and I am amazed at all the crazy, divisive stuff the players are saying. All and all i thought the Skins competed better last night than they have all season. Jason had a poor first half as usual, the offensive line struggled as usual but there were positives. The play calling was significantly better, Jason pulled it together at the end of the first half and in the second half, Devin Thomas got on track and Fred Davis looked like the 2nd round pick we thought he was. And no one is talking about the monster game that Andre Carter had.

All of the comments I read coming out of the redskin camp suggest to me there is no one at the helm. There is no one steering this ship, this is why Zorn has to go. It is clear he is not putting out any kind of cohesive message or any message at all.

here are some of the quotes:

I don't know where to turn"-Albert Haynesworth

It's drama city. -Devin Thomas

We still only got 17 points- Jim Zorn in response to play calling question

We can only do what we can do- DeAngelo Hall talking about the defensive contribution

Jim Zorn has lost this team, maybe he never had them in the first place. Either way the skins aren't winning becasue there is now a culture in Redskin Park of every man for himself.

Philly didn't blow us out, honestly if it weren't for two plays we would have won the game (Rabach snap and poor decision to go for it on 4th down the previous drive)

Jim Zorn is no longer the player caller but he should still be the leader of this team and he isn't leading. We should send him packing TODAY!!!!


Posted by: wardt30 | October 27, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Actually I thought the play calling was MUCH better than any of the previous games, at least once in the Red Zone we looked like we could score. YES the line play stinks that's the bottom line. JC is shell shocked back there, who wouldn’t be. Yeah Jaws can talk about keeping your eyes down field when passing but when you are getting tattooed every time you go back to pass NO QB can take that type of punishment. Jaws has forgotten that he played behind some shoddy lines in Philly. The Redskins look like a team that is extremely poorly coached. When you can’t do the basics, catch punts (Randal EL), hike the ball (Casey) that goes back to the coaching. Yes this is a bye week but if I were Zorn the guys would have their butts at Redskins Park going over every play. I mean UP/Downs until they puke every time a mistake is made, pushups until their triceps burst. This team needs a good old Vince Lombardi type of attitude adjustment. I can stomach plays that don’t work, every play isn’t going to be good but what I can’t stomach is poor execution and that goes back to coaching. Every player’s job should be on the line because yes from here on out each player is on a 9 week interview for the 2010 team. No one’s job is safe on an underperforming team. The good news is the Redskins aren’t that bad they just don’t execute very well. The Redskins stole the momentum when the D played great, and then BOOM dropped punt that to me was the turning point in the game. Dan you can still keep Vinnie as a golfing, G5 flying buddy just hire a real GM and sit back then when the camera shows your box on TV you can be high-fiving each other instead of having that sick about to upchuck expression from your team playing clown ball. Look at the turn around the Miami Dolphins made in 2 years, oh yeah about our top flight lineman well he’s down in Miami and his name is (Pat White) 2nd round pick in 2009. Please Please Please don’t trade anymore draft picks until you get a real GM. Just a thought from a novice fan.

Posted by: DB14 | October 27, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

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