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Cap analysis: Contrasting approaches toward roster building

J.I. Halsell

The Redskins' history of roster building via free agency and the lucrative contracts rewarded to veteran players acquired from other teams as part of this approach has been well documented over the years. This week's opponent, the Green Bay Packers, represents the opposite end of the spectrum as it relates to building a team and negotiating player contracts. 

On offense, since 2008 (The Aaron Rodgers era), the Packers have ranked third in the NFL in average points scored over that time at 27.4 points per game.  This dynamic offensive unit is comprised completely of "home-grown" players, players the Packers have either drafted or signed as college free agents.  As a unit, the Packers' offensive starters total $54 million in guaranteed money, $36 million of which is accounted for between quarterback Aaron Rodgers and wide receiver Greg Jennings.  Given this unit's productivity, the Packers have received tremendous financial value out of players such as 2008 third round tight end Jermichael Finley, who the Packers only had to guarantee $653,000, and five other players who were drafted in rounds four or later to start their careers. 

Similar to the Packers, the high-powered Houston Texans' offensive unit faced by the Redskins in Week 2 also have a high-value unit guarantee of $52 million; proving that there is not a direct correlation between high-octane offenses and high-spending. 

Conversely, the Redskins' starting offensive unit accounts for $71 million in guaranteed money, and this does not include Derrick Dockery's $8 million guaranteed.  There are only three home-grown offensive starters: Trent Williams, Chris Cooley, and Mike Sellers (if you don't count his time in Cleveland and out of football), and only Williams and Cooley were acquired via the draft.  As the Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen-led front office look to rebuild this roster as a whole, save for the No. 4 overall pick in Williams, a philosophy of value-consciousness is represented by five newcomers (Donovan McNabb, Artis Hicks, Kory Lichtensteiger, Joey Galloway, and Jammal Brown) cumulatively accounting for only $4.5 million of guaranteed money. 

On defense, save for unrestricted free agents Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett, the Packers have maintained their value oriented-philosophy with eight of their starters coming through the draft or college free agency. Starting cornerback Tramon Williams came to the team as a street free agent, a player who became a free agent after his contract was prematurely terminated. The second round of the draft often represents the best talent versus financial commitment in the draft, and while the Packers' offensive unit has four former second rounders, its defensive unit is comprised of four first rounders.  Three of these first rounders (B.J. Raji, Clay Matthews, and A.J. Hawk) are currently playing under their rookie contracts and account for $41 million of the $79 million guaranteed to a unit that is tied for the league lead in sacks (16 over four games.) 

The Redskins' starting defensive unit, which does not include Albert Haynesworth's $41 million guaranteed, has a total guarantee of $71 million. $51 million of the unit's guarantee is attributable to LaRon Landry, DeAngelo Hall, and Brian Orakpo; between these three players, their guarantees are only $3 million less than the entire Packers starting offensive unit. Under their current contracts, Carlos Rogers, Rocky McIntosh, Kedric Golston, and Adam Carriker have no money guaranteed to them, which should serve to motivate these players as they seek their next contracts. 

While the Redskins' switch to the 3-4 defense and Shanahan zone-blocking scheme have received the biggest headlines in terms of change at Redskins Park, it's the change in philosophy as it relates to roster building and contract negotiation that is going to be symptomatic of a truly successful regime change. With only eight starters having been acquired via the draft there remains a dearth of cheap, young talent on the Redskins.  However, it is encouraging that the acquisitions made to fill in the gaps on this roster have had a sense of value-consciousness.  As the Packers and Texans amongst others have proven, a value-conscious approach towards talent acquisition can still result in a competitive and even dynamic football team. 

A native Washingtonian J.I. Halsell spent two seasons working for the Washington Redskins as a salary cap analyst. Prior to his tenure with the Redskins, he spent two years working in the NFL Management Council. He now writes the blog Under the Cap" for FootballOutsiders.com. Follow him in Twitter at @SalaryCap101.

By J.I. Halsell  | October 7, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
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Maybe if Danny had finished college, he would have understood that the hard NFL cap means that you have to find arbitrage bargains, and the best place to find these guys is through draft picks outside of the top 5.

Posted by: Dellis2010 | October 6, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

This would have been so much more interesting (and warranted) IN JUNE...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Notes and analysis (for, you know, actual football) from Keim:

1. The Redskins say Clinton Portis will be out for only four to six weeks with a third degree separation of his left groin. But there’s no guarantee he’ll return. Once players hurt their groin, there’s a higher likelihood of the injury re-occurring. Talked to one former player and asked how long he thought a player would be out if they suffered a third degree separation of the groin and his response? For the season. He stressed that it was a guess, but he also knows how tough it is to recover from such an injury.

2. Makes you wonder the damage Portis did by going back in the game after hurting his groin the first time. He re-injured it with one carry in the fourth quarter and now he’s done for at least a month. Give Portis credit for toughing it out.

3. Now we’ll really find out about Ryan Torain. The puns on his last name are great and everyone seems to have confidence in him. But let’s remember a couple things: He had few options this offseason before signing with Washington and he could have been signed by another team after he was cut this summer. He wasn’t. Point being, we don’t really know yet what he can do.

4. Obviously Mike Shanahan has seen something in him that he likes, which is why he drafted him in Denver and then signed him in Washington. Here’s what Shanahan said today about Torain: “It’s easy to see if you’ve been around it. I could tell you that when he was a rookie in Denver that he’s got it. He’s a top back in the National Football League. There’s no question about it. Now, can he stay healthy? What’s a top back? Is he one of the greater backs? Can he separate himself from being a good back to a great back? What’s a great back? A guy that runs for 1,000 yards or a guy that averages 5 yards per carry instead of 3.5 yards a carry and just carries the ball all the time. There’s so many factors that I look at.”

5. A small interruption for a brief plug: Got a question for Redskins mailbag? Click here.

6. Back to football…. Though Portis had clearly lost a step, he still served a purpose and was a good all-around back. Had he played the entire game Sunday, he likely would have had a 100-yard day. And don’t forget his pass protection ability. Sort of a big thing. If Keiland Williams is promoted from the practice squad, then he could serve in that role. But, at this point in his career, think Donovan McNabb has complete faith in him picking up various blitzes?

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Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

I am gonna guess that even if Danny had finished college he wouldn't have learned that.

Maybe if he played more Madden.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

continued...

7. The other part, and this is selfish, is that Portis is a much better quote than Torain. Of course, he’s a better quote than most guys. Torain comes across as a very nice guy and Shanahan will never have to worry about what he says. But don’t expect to see a lot of quotes from him. In a 19-question interview today, he talked about hard work in seven answers. His interview lasted 5:45. In contrast, McNabb also answered 19 questions and needed 11 minutes. Yes, one’s a longtime vet and the other is really in the spotlight for the first time in his NFL career. Guessing Torain has more personality than he’s shown.

8. That said, he is a good story in perseverance. Torain had a fractured toe as a senior at Arizona State, dislocated his elbow as a rookie and then suffered a torn ACL in his one and only start that season. He then sprained his knee the following summer and was cut by coach Josh McDaniels. So Torain is allowed to talk about hard work.

9. The question is, who will they cut when they sign another back? They have six receivers and two are returners. Devin Thomas doesn’t play from scrimmage, but he helps on special teams. The one receiver who could be in trouble is Roydell Williams. Has one catch; doesn’t help on teams.

10. Trent Williams was very confident that he would be able to play Sunday. Said he felt "10 times better" than he did a week ago. Mike Shanahan was not ready to proclaim him ready, but it's a good sign that Williams' limp was gone. Couldn't say that last week.

11. The Redskins will sign punter Hunter Smith Thursday morning. Not sure if Josh Bidwell was hurt again, but his outing Sunday could not have helped. Bidwell’s last two punts of 32 and 15 yards showed he was just too inconsistent. Throw in the hip and he’s not someone the Redskins could rely on for the rest of the season.

12. One positive: We get to ask Smith about the fake field goal again from last year. Fun times.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse


why all this $nyder hub-bub all the sudden ? agree on bringing back the red snapper. is he available ? dude is a commodity when it comes to long snaps.

Posted by: hessone | October 7, 2010 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if Danny had finished college, he would have understood that the hard NFL cap means that you have to find arbitrage bargains, and the best place to find these guys is through draft picks outside of the top 5.

Posted by: Dellis2010 | October 6, 2010 5:19 PM


Such an idiotic statement...do you think college grads are the only smart people in the world? Some of the biggest idiots I know have master's degrees, and conversely, some of the smartest people I know failed to complete 4 years of college. Life experience and a thirst for knowledge is what counts, not some piece of paper that announces to the world that you force-fed yourself a steady diet of books someone else thought you should read.

I'm assuming you're a college grad (as I doubt you'd make such an assinine statement otherwise), so I'll ask you this: if you're so smart and Snyder's so dumb, then why is he rich and you're not?

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 6:30 AM | Report abuse

why all this $nyder hub-bub all the sudden ? agree on bringing back the red snapper. is he available ? dude is a commodity when it comes to long snaps.

Posted by: hessone | October 7, 2010 6:29 AM


That ship has sailed, my friend...the Chargers picked him up after they lost 3 snappers to injury. The other guy we had, James Dearth, is one of those 3 injured snappers so we're stuck with the guy we have.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Gut feeling, CP is done for the year, and the only way he comes back is if he renegotiates his deal to reduce his $'s.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse


That ship has sailed, my friend...

brown, I'll have to say that releasing red snapper was a mistake.

Posted by: hessone | October 7, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Agreed Alex...Sally Jenkins has a pretty interesting article about CP as well. Although I'm not exactly joining in with the somber playing of violins for him (dude has been paid an obscene amount of money to take the beating he has), she does highlight the kind of punishment that RBs take...and that we as fans take for granted:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/06/AR2010100604772.html?sid=ST2010100700165

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 6:50 AM | Report abuse


Gut feeling, CP is done for the year, and the only way he comes back is if he renegotiates his deal to reduce his $'s.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2010 6:39 AM |

I agree alex, and my gut feeling is CP will sail into the setting sun to retire from football. if he doesn't I'm afaid it could be ugly to watch.

Posted by: hessone | October 7, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

At least we are not throwing away picks like we used to do for the likes of TJ Duckett and Brandon Lloyd. How many times did the Denver Shanny shake Vinny down for a courtesy pick or two. Remember when Casserly signed Wuerffel knowing he could get a pick out of the Skins for him. It will take time to re-build this roster the "right" way.

Posted by: jimc93 | October 7, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Sadly I don't think that CP will sail into the setting sun. Dude fights too hard to just go away quietly.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Wow...I can't believe Cowpie-lover Matt Moseley is giving us our due:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/19538/how-i-see-it-nfc-east-stock-watch-25

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Sadly I don't think that CP will sail into the setting sun. Dude fights too hard to just go away quietly.

you're probably right alex, think of all the athletes that should've retired and opted to play on, only to embarrass themselves. the Redskins and other teams will be looking at his ability to stay healthy through a whole season, which he hasn't been able to do in a while. gut feeling, redskins release him and no one signs him.

Posted by: hessone | October 7, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Alex, I don't think CP will have a choice...if it weren't for his high, guaranteed salary this year he'd already be gone. No chance this guy wears burgundy and gold next year, even if he takes less money.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Completely baffling that Hunter the Punter was not here from the beginning. Sure he had a groin injury last season, and he recovered, but he was awesome.

Posted by: jimc93 | October 7, 2010 6:46 AM

Hunter the Punter, was okay. He was anything but awesome. His punts averaged 41.3 yards last year. There were 31 punters in the league (some appeared only one time) with higher averages. That's why Shanahan tried to upgrade this position. Do you really believe that if Danny Smith spoke up for him that Shanahan would have ignored Danny Smith?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 7, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Alex, I don't think CP will have a choice...if it weren't for his high, guaranteed salary this year he'd already be gone. No chance this guy wears burgundy and gold next year, even if he takes less money.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 7:13 AM

I don't think he'll ever appear in a Redskins uni again. That was a serious injury and even if he comes back in 4 weeks, he won't be 100 percent. Redskins are going to need his roster slot. He's headed for IR and retirement.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 7, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Beep, I'd be a bit surprised to see him retire...I think he'll be released at season's end and sit on the FA market for a couple years before he gets the hint that he's done. Sad ending to a really good career...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

If it hasn't been mentioned before, Fred Taylor (although not as tough as CP) missed the final 14 games in 2001 because of a groin injury. Not sure if the injuries are that similar but it doesn't look good for CP.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 7, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Actually, CP's injury sounds familiar...didn't Springs have a groin injury like this a few years ago?

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

so i read about portis' injury that something came "off the bone". [insert crude joke here.] anyway, does anyone know what they're talking about, specifically? i mean is it a tendon from a leg muscle that's "off the bone"? ligaments holding the femur to the pelvis?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | October 7, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

"I'm assuming you're a college grad (as I doubt you'd make such an assinine statement otherwise), so I'll ask you this: if you're so smart and Snyder's so dumb, then why is he rich and you're not?Posted by: brownwood26"

LOL sounds like somebody hit a nerve...

Posted by: Samson151 | October 7, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

It wouldn't surprise me if Springs had a groin injury considering he had knee, shoulder, hamstring and back injuries as well.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 7, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

About Portis: I thought he was done last year. Independent of the poor blocking, that is. I guess he came back and had a strong camp, but now has that injury. I'm not sure about Keim's suggestion that he could be done for the season -- that seems way premature based on second-hand knowledge of a groin injury.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 7, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

This would have been so much more interesting (and warranted) IN JUNE...

Posted by: brownwood26 |


Brown, I was thinking the exact same thing. I like J.I. on comcast and on radio. He seems like a really smart dude, but this kind of post would be served for the bye week at least.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 7, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Santana Moss: Redskins' offense not comfortable
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 7, 2010 7:59 AM ET
With 22 catches for 290 yards through four games, Redskins receiver Santana Moss is on pace to have one of his best NFL seasons. But he says the Redskins' offense still has plenty of room for improvement.

"We, as an offense, are not comfortable with everything yet," Moss said, per Mike Jones of TBD.com. "People look at it as, 'OK, you got Donovan [McNabb], you got this new offense, but why aren't we seeing more from the offense?' Because we're still learning. We're still trying to get in that zone where we know everything from A to Z without having to think about it, and it takes time and the only way you can learn it is by playing. . . . Every week is a work in progress, like on the job training type of thing."

Moss has combined for 16 catches and 213 yards in the two games the Redskins lost, but just six catches and 77 yards in the two games the Redskins won. McNabb says the Redskins are going to be better off if they do more on the ground and less through the air.

"We just don't want to come in and be an air-it-out-throw-40-to-50-times-a-game, although I wouldn't mind," McNabb said. "But the thing about it is, we're working to establish that run because we know that you can do so much off of the run. If it calls for us to throw 15 times and we win, then that's all that matters to me."

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

J.I. Halsell = NERD!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

It wouldn't surprise me if Springs had a groin injury considering he had knee, shoulder, hamstring and back injuries as well.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 7, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse


and calf...you forgot the calf injury that had him out for several games one season...

Posted by: p1funk | October 7, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I thought there wasn't a cap this year.

Posted by: p1funk | October 7, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

brown, I'll have to say that releasing red snapper was a mistake.

Posted by: hessone | October 7, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

It probably was a mistake. But the reality is that he was getting up there in age, and we would have eventually had to find someone new pretty soon anyway.
The postive thing is that I can only really think of about 1 snap from Sundberg that was really bad, and Bidwell probably could have gotten it down in time for Gano to make the field goal, so I'll have to blame that one on Bidwell. He'll learn and get better, and he's young, so he could be doing it for as long as the Red Snapper.

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Samson, it just annoys me to no end when people assume that someone without a degree is a complete idiot...just falls in line with the kind of foolishness like black QBs are dumb, Asians are good at math, short people have Napolean complexes, etc. Just shows that some people don't leave the house and have an Archie Bunker-like father telling them how the world is...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

But the reality is that he was getting up there in age, and we would have eventually had to find someone new pretty soon anyway.
The postive thing is that I can only really think of about 1 snap from Sundberg that was really bad, and Bidwell probably could have gotten it down in time for Gano to make the field goal, so I'll have to blame that one on Bidwell. He'll learn and get better, and he's young, so he could be doing it for as long as the Red Snapper.

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 8:16 AM


The underrated part of swapping out Bidwell for Hunter is that Hunter is a better holder. Probably gives Sundberg a little more room for error....which at least this year, it looks like he needs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

"Hunter the Punter, was okay. He was anything but awesome. His punts averaged 41.3 yards last year. There were 31 punters in the league (some appeared only one time) with higher averages."Posted by: beep-beep

I dunno, that number can be deceiving. For instance, of 57 punts, only 22 were returned, with 23 fair-catches, and 23 were inside the opponent's 20. No TD returns, no blocks, only 2 out of bounds.

If your goal is to prevent a long return and make your opponent go the length of the field -- and above all, if you want to avoid mistakes -- Hunter is probably your man.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 7, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

if you're so smart and Snyder's so dumb, then why is he rich and you're not?Posted by: brownwood26


Just to clarify, I'm rich because I don't care who I screw or run over to make a buck. They are weak and I am strong. Thank you, oh, and keep buying those jerseys and $10 beers at the games. I need to get my limo fixed cause some peon nicked it with his rusty Pinto. I hear he went missing soon after.......ashame.

Signed,
Danny "The Hobbit" Snyder

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Scouts. Inc analysis

1. Green Bay needs to contain the Redskins' ground game. All of the sudden the Redskins are running the ball with success and authority. The ability of Ryan Torain and Clinton Portis to move the chains has taken a lot of the pressure off Donovan McNabb to carry the offense, though the Redskins will be without Portis (groin) for the next four to six weeks. The Packers have dropped to a bottom-third team when it comes to stopping the run, as they are giving up nearly 120 yards a game (5.2 yards per carry).

2. Expect the Packers to come out throwing: The Redskins are next to last in the NFL when it comes to stopping the pass -- Matt Schaub's big day has a lot to do with that -- as they are giving up over 300 yards per game through the air; and when their defenders are in position to make a play they drop too many potential interceptions. Head coach Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers feel like, given time, they can throw the ball on anyone.

3. Look for more multiple-receiver sets: Green Bay's offense has been sloppy and inconsistent this year, as Rodgers has thrown the ball anywhere from a high of 45 attempts to a low of 19 this past week. With all the firepower the Packers have at their disposal it makes sense to see more three- or four-receiver sets.

4. Look for the Packers to move linebacker Clay Matthews around: Matthews has enjoyed a strong start to the season, making plays as a pass rusher, in coverage, or in the hole when defending the run; he is hard to contain and a punishing tackler. Offenses are starting to scheme their protection however, by where he is lining up, so defensive coordinator Dom Capers is apt to move Matthews around before the snap.

5. Matchup to watch: Green Bay TE Jermichael Finley vs. Washington SS LaRon Landry: Finley has become one of Rodgers' favorite targets and leads the team both in receptions and yards per catch. He presents matchup issues due to his combination of size, speed and athleticism, and Landry will use a physical style of play to throw him off his game and to try to disrupt the timing between quarterback and tight end.

6. Washington will want to bring a lot of pressure off the edge: The Packers have been struggling with their protection off the edge as tackles Chad Clifton and Mark Tauscher are frequently getting beat by speed rushers. The Redskins are having to manufacture a pass rush with a combination of blitzes and stunts from their linebackers and safeties. Expect blitzes to hit the edge.

7. Expect the Redskins to continue to rotate their defensive line: The Redskins are next to last in total defense as they continue to try and get accustomed to defensive coordinator Jim Haslett's 3-4 scheme. In order to be effective, they need to give maximum effort on every play. They are most effective when they manage to keep their front line fresh with frequent substitutions.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 7, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

A couple of random observations:

1. The Pats had the Vikes by the short hairs when they extracted a 3rd rounder for Moss. And this is just to rent him for the remainder of the season. He'll be a FA after the season is over, availble to any GM gull who wants to bid for his services.

2. The RI post babbbles about the Packers building from within. Crissakes, look at the Pats. With the 3rd rounder they stole from the Vikes they now have two picks in each of the first four rounds of the draft. The Skins by contrast have only 2 picks in the first four rounds.

3. Talk about irony, the CB dude that intercepted McN on Sunday, Nate Allen, was acquired by the Eagles with the 2nd round pick we gave them for him.

4. The Skins gave the Eagles too much for McN. 5th pick in the 2nd round is almost as good as a low pick in the 1st round. And just like with Moss and the Vikes, the Skins turned over their high 2nd rounder to the Eagles to merely rent the dude for one season. The Eagles had us by the short hairs just like the Pats with the Vikes.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 7, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Monk, for the record, I wasn't defending Snyder as much as the notion that someone without a degree just HAS to be an idiot. The Ravens' former owner Art Modell didn't even finish HIGH SCHOOL and did pretty well for himself...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

8. Win special teams: One of the trademarks of a typical Mike Shanahan-coached team is the strong play of the special teams. The Redskins are averaging an allowance of 15.2 yards per punt return and 25.1 yards per kickoff return, both in the league's bottom third. The Packers have given up their share of long returns both on kickoffs and punts and will need to be careful to maintain lane integrity and leverage on their way to the ball.

9. Look for Redskins to continue to work the run: The Redskins finally found a ground game this past weekend against the Eagles, as they gained 169 yards on a combined 35 carries for an average of 4.8 yards per carry. This allowed Shanahan to limit McNabb to only 19 passing attempts. While he is not apt to be held to that many attempts very often, the Skins would like to establish the run first to allow the play action passing attack to be more effective.

10. Matchup to watch: Washington TE Chris Cooley vs. Green Bay LB Nick Barnett: Cooley has quickly become one of McNabb's favorite targets, especially when looking for a release valve or for a clutch first-down catch. He is very effective down the seam and can be very difficult for a linebacker to cover man on man. Barnett is a very good cover linebacker that has the speed to match up with most tight ends and the ball skills to compete for the pass.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 7, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Judging from Shanahan's recent comments, he's going to hold a roster spot for CP in hopes that he can return this season. I can understand him holding out hope. I mean, this was a coach who had high hopes for three salty veteran running backs before pre-season and now he has none. He must have valued that experience more than we can suspect. Plus, it would be just plain wrong to put Portis on IR when there's a hope he could come back and break Riggo's record. I do think this is CP's last year in a Redskins' uniform, but it doesn't have to end here and now with this injury.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 7, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

if you're so smart and Snyder's so dumb, then why is he rich and you're not?Posted by: brownwood26


Just to clarify, I'm rich because I don't care who I screw or run over to make a buck. They are weak and I am strong. Thank you, oh, and keep buying those jerseys and $10 beers at the games. I need to get my limo fixed cause some peon nicked it with his rusty Pinto. I hear he went missing soon after.......ashame.

Signed,
Danny "The Hobbit" Snyder

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 8:24 AM

Brownwood--

Read this post -- from the guy who meant to call himself monk81 -- and I think that answers your question. Perfect!

Posted by: beep-beep | October 7, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Too many people giddy about Torrain up here.

Keep it "medium" on this guy folks; you don't want to be let down in a major way, do you?

If Torrain does well, I'll be more than happy to eat raw crow for the above statement.

(I said crow, not crap, poopy...BTW poopy, check out 2 girls 1 cup. Up your alley--was that a pun? Ummm who cares)

Posted by: smokeybear2 | October 7, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Monk, for the record, I wasn't defending Snyder as much as the notion that someone without a degree just HAS to be an idiot. The Ravens' former owner Art Modell didn't even finish HIGH SCHOOL and did pretty well for himself...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

You don't have to explain, I wasn't judging you, I just took the opportunity to make a joke.
My father grew up in the 40's and 50's and only has an 8th grade education because he had to quit school to help support the family, yet he is smarter AND has much more common sense than I do, and I have a Bachelor's Degree. I totally agree with you on that.

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

...just falls in line with the kind of foolishness like black QBs are dumb, Asians are good at math, ...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 8:16 AM |

Dude - Asians are good at math. They are less than 2% of the population and are 20% of the undergrads at MIT.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 7, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

10. Matchup to watch: Washington TE Chris Cooley vs. Green Bay LB Nick Barnett: Cooley has quickly become one of McNabb's favorite targets, especially when looking for a release valve or for a clutch first-down catch. He is very effective down the seam and can be very difficult for a linebacker to cover man on man. Barnett is a very good cover linebacker that has the speed to match up with most tight ends and the ball skills to compete for the pass.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 7, 2010 8:33 AM
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I read somewhere that Barnett has a hand injury that might keep him out of the game. At the very least, he will be playing with his hand in a cast.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 7, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Oh good...more "McNabb is one and done" talk...I mean, if only there was some kind of sign that he'll stay, like buying a home, getting involved in the D.C. community, actually saying that he wants to stay here...oh wait...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I mean, this was a coach who had high hopes for three salty veteran running backs before pre-season and now he has none.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 7, 2010 8:34 AM |

Two of MS's dumbest moves in what has otherwise been a pretty decent start:

1. Three old farts at RB
2. The AH shabingus

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 7, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

...just falls in line with the kind of foolishness like black QBs are dumb, Asians are good at math, ...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 8:16 AM |

Dude - Asians are good at math. They are less than 2% of the population and are 20% of the undergrads at MIT.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 7, 2010 8:38 AM
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Kidding yourself with statistics. They are less than 2% of the population in the United States, but how many of the Asian grads are from out of the country, and do you think those countries send anything but their brightest to schools in the US? 40% of the students at MIT are from other countries.

And this is a pet peeve of mine: colleges in the US that turn away US students and fill their classrooms with foreign students. A lot of these universtities benefit from grants from the federal government, which are US citizen's tax dollars.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 7, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Too many people giddy about Torrain up here.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | October 7, 2010 8:36 AM |

Right up there with getting giddy about AH just because he made a few good plays against the Eagles who have a sucko OL.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 7, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, monk...I have way more respect for guys like your dad than any asshat with a master's and a sick sense of entitlement.

RSH, Barnett isn't just out for this game, he's out for THE SEASON...that's a HUGE loss for the Pack...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that Barnett has a hand injury that might keep him out of the game. At the very least, he will be playing with his hand in a cast.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 7, 2010 8:42 AM |

Barnett is out for the year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 7, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I mean, this was a coach who had high hopes for three salty veteran running backs before pre-season and now he has none.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 7, 2010 8:34 AM |

Two of MS's dumbest moves in what has otherwise been a pretty decent start:

1. Three old farts at RB
2. The AH shabingus

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 7, 2010 8:45 AM
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Well, you might be right about the three running backs, but at the very minimum, it motivated CP to get himself in shape for the season. Personally, I thought LJ had something left in the tank and that was probably the biggest disappointment of the offseason, aside from your point #2.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 7, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Read this post -- from the guy who meant to call himself monk81 -- and I think that answers your question. Perfect!

Posted by: beep-beep | October 7, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Read this post -- from the guy that took his User ID from the sound at his job when those frenchfries are done! Don't burn my fries beep, and get back to work, I think a toilet is stopped up, where's Poopy?
I'm lovin it!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

...just falls in line with the kind of foolishness like black QBs are dumb, Asians are good at math, ...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 8:16 AM |

Dude - Asians are good at math. They are less than 2% of the population and are 20% of the undergrads at MIT.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 7, 2010 8:38 AM
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Kidding yourself with statistics. They are less than 2% of the population in the United States, but how many of the Asian grads are from out of the country, and do you think those countries send anything but their brightest to schools in the US? 40% of the students at MIT are from other countries.

And this is a pet peeve of mine: colleges in the US that turn away US students and fill their classrooms with foreign students. A lot of these universtities benefit from grants from the federal government, which are US citizen's tax dollars.

You just slapped that dude with the knowledge.

Posted by: Pleepleus | October 7, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Right up there with getting giddy about AH just because he made a few good plays against the Eagles who have a sucko OL.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 7, 2010 8:48 AM

The difference is that AH has done somthing in the league, albeit on another team.

Maybe Torrain is that rare diamond we all thought Horton was.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | October 7, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, monk...I have way more respect for guys like your dad than any asshat with a master's and a sick sense of entitlement.

RSH, Barnett isn't just out for this game, he's out for THE SEASON...that's a HUGE loss for the Pack...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 7, 2010 8:50 AM
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I read he was going to get a second opinion, but this could be good news for Redskins. Also, their safety is beat up and the QB/coach are dickering in the media. I smell a team ripe for an upset.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 7, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

The Skins are 3 point home dogs.

This has Vegas upset trap game written all over it. All the squares will be pounding the Pack and the books will clean up when we win.

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 7, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

40% of the students at MIT are from other countries.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 7, 2010 8:48 AM |

That's the grad students. It's 9% for the undergrads. And I was wrong about the % Asian undergrads - it's 25%, not 20% as I had previously stated. And these are good old USofA Asian undergrads, not furreners. And they ain't studying History or English. They are Math, Engineering and Comp Sci majors.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 7, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Pleepleus & RedSkinHead = ass hats

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 7, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

J.I. Halsell = NERD!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 8:08 AM

This NERD is better than the other NERD.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 7, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

J.I. Halsell = NERD!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 8:08 AM

This NERD is better than the other NERD.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 7, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Good point. So is he the NIT? (NERD in Training?)

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Getting caught up here this morning...

Beep-Beep = French Fry Chef?

Posted by: PlayAction | October 7, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

A native Washingtonian J.I. Halsell spent two seasons working for the Washington Redskins as a salary cap analyst.

With that cocky smile of his the dude bears more than a passing resemblance to the infamous Isiah Thomas.

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 7, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Good point. So is he the NIT? (NERD in Training?)

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 9:21 AM

I don't think so...this NERD seems to specialize in the salary cap...we prob won't here from him much...the other NERD likes to cruch numbers on the probabilities of crap we don't care about...so he is a perfect fit for RI.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 7, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Pleepleus & RedSkinHead = ass hats

Posted by: LibertyValence | October 7, 2010 9:11 AM
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LibertyValence = drive-by wannabe

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 7, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Getting caught up here this morning...

Beep-Beep = French Fry Chef?

Posted by: PlayAction | October 7, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't totally limit him to just Fry Guy, he has so many more responsibilities at MickyDee's, such as:
- flipping fries
- mopping floor
- cleaning up barf/poop from the children's play area
- uncloggin toilet, they say there's nobody better with a plunger
- scraping gum/boogers from under the tables

The list goes on and on. He is the MVP over there, multi-purpose, jack of all trades. Think of him as the Lorenzo Alexander of McDonalds!

I'm SO lovin' it!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Good point. So is he the NIT? (NERD in Training?)

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 9:21 AM

I don't think so...this NERD seems to specialize in the salary cap...we prob won't here from him much...the other NERD likes to cruch numbers on the probabilities of crap we don't care about...so he is a perfect fit for RI.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 7, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

So he was just the Substitute NERD. Man, so many NERD classifications, gets confusing up in here. How did Oger ever do it?

Posted by: monk811 | October 7, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

mmmmm... big macs.... achlachlachlachldrool.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 7, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Suicide week 5 - Colts or Chargers?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 7, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

At least we are not throwing away picks like we used to do for the likes of TJ Duckett and Brandon Lloyd. How many times did the Denver Shanny shake Vinny down for a courtesy pick or two. Remember when Casserly signed Wuerffel knowing he could get a pick out of the Skins for him. It will take time to re-build this roster the "right" way.

Posted by: jimc93 | October 7, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse


Part of the problem is that the fans here aren't very patient. And after a lot of moaning from the fan base ownership will again feel the pressure to 'Win Now'

And then the cycle of overprice free-agents and prima donas will continue. Leading to more mediocrity.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 7, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"Monk, for the record, I wasn't defending Snyder as much as the notion that someone without a degree just HAS to be an idiot. The Ravens' former owner Art Modell didn't even finish HIGH SCHOOL and did pretty well for himself...Posted by: brownwood26"

College is definitely overrated. More of an entry ticket into the workplace than a valuable learning experience. But the real problem is that over the past few decades it's become increasingly unaffordable while future wages have remained static -- a classic poor return on investment.

But you're right, a lot of college graduates are pretty poorly educated.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 7, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

JI Halsell does indeed look like Isaiah Thomas. But the one I thought of was Tommy Davidson from In Living Colour -- a Montgomery Countian.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 7, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Is it Sunday yet? Is it Sunday yet? Is it Sunday yet?

Posted by: abxinc | October 7, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins had a mini-purge in 2010 with the release of 11 veterans who were past their primes.

But 2011 if there is football will see even greater changes as guys like Portis, Derrick Dockery, Phillip Daniels, Casey Rabach, Kemoeatu, Buchanon and many of the receivers not named Moss make it to the exit.

I agree Shanahan came in with some definite challenges, but assuming the team sticks with the 3-4 and builds on the current offensive system under Kyle, there are current players here for those systems that are under 30.

The balance of the 2010 season is a test to see who will make a case to be a core player as we move forward.

Offense:
Cooley, Davis, Williams, Lichtensteiger, Torain, Armstrong, perhaps John Beck.

Defense:
Orakpo, Carriker, Alexander, McIntosh, Landry, Moore, Hall, Rogers, perhaps Kevin Barnes as well.

Before the end of the season I would like to see some of Perry Riley at ILB acknowledging that Fletcher is 35 years old and we need to identify an eventual successor. at 6'0 and 238 is Riley the answer?

But make no mistake about it.

The Redskins as in 2010 will still need MORE prospects for the OL and DL.

And IF Torain turns into an every down back for the Redskins we will still need depth there as well as more size and athleticism at WR.

With a limited set of draft picks in 2011 Shanahan and Allen are going to have to be creative.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | October 7, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

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