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Redskins Park...Brought to You by Six Flags?

With not much going on in the football and Redskins world right now, I thought we could at least get a fresh post up with a topic for discussion.

The New York Giants have entered into a sponsorship agreement with Timex that will pay $35 million over 15 years, according to the New York Daily News.

Under the deal, the Giants have renamed their practice facility Timex Performance Center and will wear Timex logos on their practice jerseys, joining the Denver Broncos, Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers, Houston Texans and Tennessee Titans as teams expected to wear sponsor logos on their practice gear.

With this news coming down, you have to think it's a matter of time before the Redskins make a deal too, right? There are already RE/MAX logos on the press pass lanyards. They recently entered into a deal with Loudoun County (all press releases now have a LoCo dateline), announced a Virginia lottery game and the franchise is one of the most profitable in all of sports...

What do you think? Training camp opening soon at the Six Flags Performance Facility?

By Paul Tenorio  |  June 18, 2009; 2:33 PM ET
 
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Comments

6 Flags beats 3 Lombardis? I'm thinking .... no

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

take you beep beeps and shove 'em, RI bloggas...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted by: leevi98 | June 18, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey now!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 18, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I think the G-men should have gone with Timex Social Club. I mean, Look at all the rumors surrounding them every day, right?

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 18, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

marcus mason, is the source of your frustration, red.

he is, everything, and yet, he is nothing literally.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is into making money. And getting a sponsorship deal from something you already own doesn't make sense.
Especially since it is, you know, bankrupt. They have a large amount of debt coming due in August and they are looking to restructure fast.

I would think sponsoring would not fit them.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

But thanks for getting us out of perturgatory!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

NEWS

Rattay Confirms UFL Draft Is Today
Posted by Mike Florio on June 18, 2009, 2:17 p.m.
Former NFL quarterback Tim Rattay, who previously has declared his coming affiliation with the UFL via his Twitter page, announced earlier this afternoon that the UFL draft is occurring today, and that players will be signed soon.

Some of you have asked why the UFL isn’t publicizing the process. Apparently, it’s not a draft in the classic sense.

It’s more like calling “shotgun” or “dibs,” with the four teams trying to balance out the players. Nation Hahn of UFL Access explains that prior affiliations between players and head coaches/assistant coaches will have a role in this regard, too.

And, thus, the upstart league has squandered an opportunity to create some buzz during one of the few sssslow spots on the NFL calendar.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Not that this has anything to do with anything, but does anyone realize that the bet place to play in NFL history, for a WR, is ... Green Bay?!?!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Need more class act players like this...-CORK


NFL player gives back to his native Oakland
By Jonathan Okanes
Oakland Tribune
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OAKLAND — Washington Redskins defensive tackle Lorenzo Alexander knows all about turning the improbable into probable.

The former St. Mary's High School and Cal star was fortunate to get a lot of help from the community as a kid growing up in Oakland, staying on the right path to earn his football scholarship. Then, after going undrafted in 2005 and getting cut by the Carolina Panthers after one season on their practice squad, Alexander has become a key reserve for Washington the past two seasons.

Alexander is well aware of his good fortune, and he wants to let other Oakland kids know it's possible for them, too. That's why he's started the Lorenzo Alexander ACES Foundation, a nonprofit enrichment program designed to give back to the Oakland community.

The Foundation is hosting a free football camp this weekend for youths aged 8-17 at Curt Flood Field.

"I made it as far as I did because people took the time to give back," Alexander said. "I feel it's only right, being blessed to be able to play in the NFL, to give back to these kids. I know in Oakland there are a lot of kids that don't have a good foundation or have someone they can look up to. I'm just trying to allow people to see that you can be successful coming out of Oakland."

ACES stands for Accountability, Community, Education and Sports. In addition to football drills, the camp will feature guest speakers from the community to talk about education — taking the correct classes, knowing when important test dates come up, getting tutoring, etc.

There will also be a guest nutritionist and a handful of players and coaches, including Buffalo Bills offensive tackle Langston Walker, another Oakland native and former Cal star who also played for the Raiders; Redskins teammates Alex Buzbee, H.B. Blades and current Cal players Derrick Hill and Covaughn DeBoskie.

"Oakland gets a lot of negative publicity," Alexander said. "I'm trying to show them that there are guys that made it that dealt with the same issues they are dealing with."

Alexander has stuck with the Redskins by not only performing at defensive tackle, but also helping out on the offensive line and on special teams. He's also lined up at tight end and fullback in goal-line situations.

"I can use my example that not everything is always going to go perfect in life," Alexander said. "You have to stay inspired and focused on what you want to do. Eventually it will all pay off, maybe not the way you thought it would, but you'll get there."

Posted by: TheCork | June 18, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the UHL can sponsor the redskins practice facility!

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't the most recent trend AWAY from corporate sponsorship? Granted, most of those were banks that backed out, but still -

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 18, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

4th, Six Flags is going to be OK after the bankruptcy. It has positive cash flow. The problem was it was overburdened by debt. An agreement on the terms was reached before the bankruptcy filing. That's why Dan and his partner, each of whoms investment in the company is worthless now, will remain in charge - at least in the near future.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I obviously didn't mean that Six Flags seriously will be sponsoring the practice facility, was just joking.

Thought maybe you guys would have some ideas of who possible sponsors could/should be...

Posted by: P-Ten | June 18, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

You know what would be boss, if the NFL hooked a deal with the UHL that the team that won the most wins in a 5 year stretch got to join the NFL as the LA franchise......make it like a sports challenge reality show.

Speaking of sports reality shows, curiosity got the best of me the other day and I watched M. Irvin's 4th & Long on Spike the other day......wow was that bad.

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is into making money. And getting a sponsorship deal from something you already own doesn't make sense.

Especially since it is, you know, bankrupt. They have a large amount of debt coming due in August and they are looking to restructure fast.

I would think sponsoring would not fit them.

Posted by: 4thFloor |


I aint no economist, but don't understand your logic. It's free publicity for a firm he owns, ergo free advertising, ergo expenses he does not have to advertise Six Flags.

The idea, would be to increase the companies exposure and value and make back money he's lost. as such, it seems a viable economic decision.

He has to balance that against monies he'd get selling the space to others, but unlike his football decisions, Snyder is highly qualified to make marketing ones, and I imagine he'll make the right call.

Posted by: TheCork | June 18, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

How about a article on where with are with the Salary Cap?

I know the FO always manages to defer the pain, but I'm not sure it would make sense to bring in Brandon Marshall given the cap implications...at some point we have to suck it up.

Now is probably as good a time as any.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Why am I still not believing that's CL.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

If it's not Six Flags I suggest Hormel.

I even have their slogan:

"Hormel. We put the Ham in Hamstring."

They could give away a canned ham each time a Redskin pulls a hammie.

Posted by: TheCork | June 18, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

P-Ten mixing it up!

My picks:

- Giant Foods....just to confuse people

- AIG seems like the quality of CEO is similar

- The RNC b/c they pick winners!

- Lasik Eye Surgery just for the funny Ref jokes

- Ben Gay due to the hamstring pulls

- The WaPo then they could ban Snyder

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they will put a “You must be this tall to enter the facilties” sign up by the front door in order to keep the Danny out…..
(Jersey style) – OH!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 18, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

dude its me!

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

wdCork - Why give free publicity when the Giants just did a deal that will net them $2.333 Million/year for 15 years? Free vs. Millions.

LH - I didn't see that they were able to restructure that debt. That's why I thought they entered bankruptcy, Ch. 11, because the biggest debt holders weren't negtioating(sp?)?

Since Snyder brought them, I know they have had positive cash flow, but the problem the whole time was that note coming due soon. I'm sure they still may have to sell some land or even a theme park or two.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Micael Irving, I know everyone wanted to be Arte Lang for 2 out of those 10 mins when he said F Irving to his face and F the Cowboys, and the Tony Homo thing....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Jasno Fieeld @ Ashbern?

Posted by: 4-12 | June 18, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Not quite buyin' tha cL either. Not that it matters...

Way ta step in, P-Ten.

I remember some fairly recent back-outs by high profile sponsors. Has the lower tier been re-priced to become more affordable?

What does a stadium name go for these days? Especiallly compared to a practice facility...?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 18, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I wanna see the office linebacker take out that annoying six flags guy (the old bald dude in the tux who dances). I would pay to see that.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 18, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

4th did you mean Michael Irvin, the ex-cowboy receiver?

or.. Micael Irving the French Jew Expatriate?

I was totally diggin' the dis....

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 18, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Leaf Arrested on Texas Charges at U.S.-Canada Border.

Oh joy

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 18, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

My understanding is that the bond holders are going to be the owners coming out of the bankruptcy.

From CNN: "[CEO Mark Shapiro] said Six Flags was seeking expedited approval from the for the District of Delaware of a pre-negotiated plan of reorganization under Chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy Code."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

That's the real cL...

Posted by: 4-12 | June 18, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

.Broncos Don’t Plan To Trade Marshall
Posted by Mike Florio on June 18, 2009, 12:42 p.m.
We’ve continued to hear, from well-placed sources (as opposed to our usual “dude who replaces the toilet paper”), that the Denver Broncos will not be trading receiver Brandon Marshall.

It could be puffing. We understand that. But the point is that there apparently won’t be a “get what we can and move on” approach in this specific case.

If someone offered a first-round pick and a second-round pick, it would be very difficult for Denver to decline. Still, who in the hell would offer that much for a guy who in turn will want at least $9 million per year, and who remains one renegade McDonalds’ bag away from another suspension, or worse?

So the Broncos get it. They realize no one is sufficiently desperate to take that kind of a risk.

(Except maybe the Jets.)

Meanwhile, we’re detecting a bit of a sense that the organization would prefer that owner Pat Bowlen not get personally involved in these situations. Bowlen’s role in the Jay Cutler situation served only to grease the skids for a divorce, given that Bowlen was offended (as he should have been) by Cutler’s alleged refusal to return calls or texts from the guy who signs the checks.

And coupled with Bowlen’s admission that he is suffering from short-term memory loss, any one-on-one meeting with an unhappy player can result in the player claiming that Bowlen said things that he flat-out didn’t say.

So that’s the problems the Broncos now have. Marshall thinks Bowlen said a trade will be pursued. It doesn’t matter whether the team disagrees; the mere fact that Marshall believes it will make it even harder for the coaching staff and the front office to manage the situation.

Still, there’s a fundamental difference between having an unhappy receiver and an unhappy franchise quarterback. With Cutler, the Broncos had no choice but to move on. With Marshall, they can say things like “see you in camp.”
==========================================

Which is why we weren't talking about BMarshall in the last post. And as I predicted, he isn't going anywhere.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

LH - I stopped reading in on it since I lost out as a faux-stock holder @ 0.93/share......

And suffered a great learning lesson. It is better to be a debt holder than a stock holder....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I think the Brits should pay Snyder to trade for Eddie Royal. Then they could name the facility:

London's Royal Albert Hall

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

i'm dumber for this being reported...

Posted by: carsonspence | June 18, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

yeah that's him, Cl. only he'll take what he's doing, flip and spin it to make it look like you're doing what he is.

i got you pegged bruh, like those games they give you at that one restaurant before they bring you your meal...

i have forgotten the name of that restaurant, but if you lived in VA, particularly route 1/Richmond Hwy, please help me remember. It was at the front of the shopping center; between the Krispy Kream and the old Mutiplex theatre.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Whose worse?

Vick or Leaf?

Did Leaf scream at the boarder patrolmen to "KNOCK IT OFF!!!"?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"yeah that's him, Cl. only he'll take what he's doing, flip and spin it to make it look like you're doing what he is."

Thanks I am only here to help your game!

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

what you've just [read] is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent [post] were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this [board] is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 18, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Red - New R Kelly song (#1) is a banger. Feat. Keri Hilson.

Wh are pedophiles one of the most creative people???......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"Red - New R Kelly song (#1) is a banger. Feat. Keri Hilson.

Wh are pedophiles one of the most creative people???......"

Yeah that new Woody Allen movie looks funny too....

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Red - New R Kelly song (#1) is a banger. Feat. Keri Hilson.

Wh are pedophiles one of the most creative people???......"

Yeah that new Woody Allen movie looks funny too....

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

whoa! Double post move....how old skool!

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

It seems the fake chris LARRY has hi-jacked his Facebook account as well. LMAO!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I think the real cl is being held captive/hostage, and is being made to post under that obviously fake name....I be corky is behind this....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Yea? I've been hearing about the R Kelly album, heard it's called like 12 Play re-visited or something like that.

Damn whose worse, Chris Brown or R Kelly?

Kells can at least say that he was acquitted of all charges. You couldn't tell distinctively if that was him or not -- although I know it was him -- Chris Brown can say that Rhiannna gave him herpes.

Again, whose worse?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn's First Press Conference after the skins take sponsorships...

"Well I was working with the first team offence over at Johnny Rockets field at FedEx Park brought to you by Six Flags and I have to tell you, Jason (Campbell) made a great pass today to Cooley for about 35 yards all the way into the back of the AOL End Zone brought to you by Sprite. The zip on that Nike ball was amazing its like it went the 35 yards at the speed of light, When Chris scored he slam dunked that Nike ball in the Cabot Cheder goal post.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

So peoples thoughts on the rumor of WJFK FM going from guy talk to sports in an attempt to give Red Zebra a competitor?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Tale of the tape goes to R Kelly b/c of his added skills of a comedian in evidence by whatever that Trapped in a Closet was....

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Kells is kinda sick and twisted, no doubt.

No wonder women like him. Everything women say they want in a man, they want the opposite or a spin off of what they really mean.

A loving man is really a womanizer.

An affectionate man is really a woman beater.

A respecting man is one who knows how to treat a woman in bed.

A man who is about his family is really a man that is about your family, and the rest of 3 or 4 baby mamas...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

R. Kelly has completely lost his mind but damn I like his music. The Ignition remix is on the cd thats in my car right now

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

It is settled... I'm downloading the album this evening.

iH8 just became the 10th person to vouch for the album.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 18, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Anyone listened to Eminem's new CD. The Slim Shady LP was amasterpiece, but everything since then is a little recycled

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Chris Brown vs. Kells = Apples vs. Oranges

Not the same. And most of us saw the video, and we know who was on the tape...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

UFL Draft Will Start At 6:30 p.m. EDT
Posted by Mike Florio on June 18, 2009, 3:26 p.m.
After treating the thing with the kind of hush-hush approach more characteristic of a Bill Belichick press conference than the first season of a new football league, Commissioner Michael Huyghue has announced, via Twitter, that the four UFL teams will hold its draft tonight, at 6:30 p.m. EDT.

The rules are still unknown, and we’ve previously mentioned that the thing won’t entail the traditional one-pick-at-a-time approach.

It’s also unknown whether the UFL will announce the results of the draft, or whether we’ll continue to be in the dark regarding the sensitive question of where various slapdicks will play six games of football later this year

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 18, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

SMH @ Red. Earlier you were talking about how low pedophiles were. Now you are going to help enrich a pedophile?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

LH pretty sure Red's gonna limewire/torrent it....

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I aint no economist, but don't understand your logic. It's free publicity for a firm he owns, ergo free advertising, ergo expenses he does not have to advertise Six Flags.

The idea, would be to increase the companies exposure and value and make back money he's lost. as such, it seems a viable economic decision.

He has to balance that against monies he'd get selling the space to others, but unlike his football decisions, Snyder is highly qualified to make marketing ones, and I imagine he'll make the right call.

Posted by: TheCork | June 18, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm not trying to flame anyone or be a smart$%^ here, so forgive me if this comes off this way. It's not as simple as The Danny telling his minions to slap a Six Flags logo on the butts of the OL's practice pants. The Redskins are a separate corporation from Six Flags (of which Danny's holding company has a controlling interest) and its bottom line won't allow them to just give away something like advertising for free. They and Six Flags are both trying to make money independently. There may be a sponsorship deal (which are typically worth millions), but (as others have also said) I doubt it simply due to Six Flags' tenuous business position right now. For one thing, they couldn't enter into a new contract now even if they wanted to without approval of the bankruptcy trustee b/c of the bankruptcy filing, which certainly isn't very likely at this time. So people shouldn't expect this to happen with Six Flags in the near future.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | June 18, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Danny's a billionaire and I'm guessing all of us are not. Don't tell Ali how to throw a punch and don't tell Danny how to make a buck.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 18, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

And I've heard you don't pull the mask of the old Lone Ranger

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 18, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

If I were Danny I would use my E! connection and hook up with the Christmas season blockbuster movies about to be released. Imagine, "Terminator VI, the Governator returns!" or "Ironman V, Tony Starke reveals that he is really Danny Snyder".

Posted by: periculum | June 18, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

And I've heard you don't pull the mask of the old Lone Ranger

Posted by: JohnDinHouston

You don't tug in Superman's cape,
spit into the wind

and you don't mess around with ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

jim

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 18, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

We have found Beantown's fave artist: Jim Croce!


Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

So peoples thoughts on the rumor of WJFK FM going from guy talk to sports in an attempt to give Red Zebra a competitor?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 3:52 PM

Zeese- Red Zebra's not even a blip on the ratings radar...they're irrelevant.
If JFK goes sports talk, the Junkies will just be the "Sports Junkies" again, plus they've also got Big O and Dukes.

Only day part to fill is the mid-day, and according to, ahem, my "unnamed sources," [go ahead and hate] a certain WaPostie (no, not TK) and a certain former 'Skin will have that.
Late night/overnight...they can run the likes of Jim Rome, Dan Patrick, and/or FoxSportsRadio stuff.
Will any of that make a dent in the ratings? I hightly doubt it.

Posted by: 4-12 | June 18, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm still pulling for my idea. Get Eddie Royal and have the Brits sponsor it..

Flecther's Eddie Haynesworth DeAngelo thing ... aka

London's Royal Albert Hall

what could be more perfect?

We could name Santana Moss 'Fleet Street' and slightly modify Stonehenge to Stonehands for CR22. We'd have no shortage of Thomas's, be it an English muffins or WR or a RG. And, given the Brits obsession with gambling, we have the perfect RB ... Betts.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

What is the Dixie Pig? - Alex.
I'll take Redskins Nation for $300.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I aint no economist, but don't understand your logic. It's free publicity for a firm he owns, ergo free advertising, ergo expenses he does not have to advertise Six Flags.

Posted by: TheCork | June 18, 2009 2:57 PM

Cork, Snyder does not own Six Flags and he never owned Six Flags. He owned 6% of the stock in Six Flags and, after a fight, he became Chairman of the Board of Directors and he appointed a new management team, headed by Shapiro. Shapiro has done a good job, but Six Flags had already used eight of its nine lives plus the financial collapse doomed the company.

When Six Flags went bankrupt, Snyder lost his six percent ownership. The shareholders were wiped out. As LH said, the debt holders own the company now. They should keep Shapiro on to run it. Whether they have any use for Snyder remains to be seen. Also, it may be that Snyder owns some of the debt, in which case he's still a playuh.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

A buddy of mine said he saw on ESPN's NFL Live this afternoon that the panel said out of all the teams in the NFC east,the Redskins have problems because of a "problem" at QB, what do you all make of that?

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 18, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Federal Express still sponsors the stadium, right? So, we're talking about a sponsor for... training camp?

How about Trojans? You could have a commercial with D'Angelo Hall saying, "Trojans... we've got you covered..."

Mike Williams for Weight Watchers...

Malcolm Kelly endorsing DonJoy leg braces.

Albert Haynesworth endorsing any personal injury law firm. His sound bite could be, "Good insurance. Because I'm out there on the road."

Jason Campbell for U-Haul, "When you might be making an unplanned trip to another city, it's nice to know there's U-Haul to help you with your stuff."

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 18, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

A buddy of mine said he saw on ESPN's NFL Live this afternoon that the panel said out of all the teams in the NFC east,the Redskins have problems because of a "problem" at QB, what do you all make of that?

Posted by: 72Redskins

I make of that the panel is ignorant. We have a major OL problem and a modest WR problem. I put the numbers up here before -- Campbell's QB rating is essentially the same as eli, mcnabb and romo.

QB isn't our problem, but its amazing how few people get that. Including Skins mgmt

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Dixie Pig is awesome BBQ place just east of North Patrick on Bashford.

Looks like crap but good BBQ

Now I'm hunry

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 18, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we all throw five bucks in the hat and buy the naming rights

RI Nation Performance Center

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 18, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

If you look at the four quarterbacks in the even more competitive than ever NFC East you find McNabb and Eli at the top just because of experience and their records.

Campbell and Romo follow ... I take Campbell over Romo fewer mistakes. Campbell has far more potential upside than Romo and Manning. McNabb is on the other side of the bell curve now. From any perspective the Skins are in a pretty good position.

The talking-heads (ex-players too) talk to Cerrato and minions about the Skins. He, Cerrato, parrots the opinions of his boss.

Posted by: periculum | June 18, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Ladies and Gents,

La Canfora has left the building.

Posted by: Vicc | June 18, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Training camp opening soon at the Six Flags Performance Facility?

By Paul Tenorio | June 18, 2009; 2:33 PM ET


It sure could use a boost, the performance I mean; "Six Flags" is to Amusement Parks what the "Redskins" are to the nfl.

Currently though.

Sometimes it can be great, but Damn those 2 hr lines at the Batman rollercoaster. I was always partial to Superman anyway, wtf, he's Super!

I either hope we've found our future winning QB in Campbell, or that we find him next year in the draft.

Wait a minute, arn't Eli Manning AND Philip Rivers in the final years of their contracts???


I just can't wait until

Posted by: Vicc | June 18, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

amazed that after 2 weeks or so peeps still talking LaCanfora.

My guess is that if WJFK dies then its all of them that go. Why keep the Junkies, they have the most paychecks and all they do is talk over eachother.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I make of that the panel is ignorant. We have a major OL problem and a modest WR problem. I put the numbers up here before -- Campbell's QB rating is essentially the same as eli, mcnabb and romo.
QB isn't our problem, but its amazing how few people get that. Including Skins mgmt

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 5:51 PM

And your argument is no less fallacious each time you post the numbers. You trumpet JC's QB rating to make the point that he ranks with the likes of McNabb. But then you blame the OL and receivers apparently for the lack of offensive production. How did he get this distinguished rating? Why isn't his rating reflected in the Win column?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

NFLN about to talk Skins.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 18, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh great, now the practice jerseys are gonna look like Nascar uniforms.

Posted by: visionof75 | June 18, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it the whole offense stunk for the last half the year.

But they did very well considering that Zorn was the only one who really knew the offense and that the team was only running a fraction of it.

You can now return to bickering about where to place the blame.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 18, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

amazed that after 2 weeks or so peeps still talking LaCanfora.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse


Sorry alex, I'll try to improve my decorum.

Posted by: Vicc | June 18, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Vicc,
Don't worry your not the worst offender. There are still idiots who come on here and ramble on about the Sourcer crap.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

...Campbell's QB rating is essentially the same as eli, mcnabb and romo...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 5:51 PM


I remember those ratings, zcezcest, and you made a mistake.

You compared:
JC17's rating vs Beast Opponents
to
Beast QB's vs Skin's

QB ratings vs Beast Opponents:
Tony Romo = 91
Donovan McNabb = 89
Jason Campbell = 78
Eli Manning = 74

No Jason Campbell's rating is not essentially the same, although it's better than Eloi!

Posted by: Vicc | June 18, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that if WJFK dies then its all of them that go. Why keep the Junkies, they have the most paychecks and all they do is talk over eachother.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse


They should have never gotten rid of Opie and Anthony, not that the Big O and Dukes show is bad; They could replace the Junkies.

Posted by: Vicc | June 18, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

And your argument is no less fallacious each time you post the numbers. You trumpet JC's QB rating to make the point that he ranks with the likes of McNabb. But then you blame the OL and receivers apparently for the lack of offensive production. How did he get this distinguished rating? Why isn't his rating reflected in the Win column?

Posted by: learnedhand1

pretty simple. For half a season, the OL was good, Moss was fully healthy, the run game worked, Campbell's ratings were good and the team had a good record.

When the OL collapsed and Moss's hammy got yanked, the run game ground to a halt, Campbell's ratings dropped and the team struggled.

When I posted the numbers of QB ratings for games within the NFC East, all 4 QBs were amazingly close to each other.

As for the win column, a team is more than just a QB. The Skins won 8 games, two other NFC East teams won 9 games. If the defense holds on the final drive vs StL and SF, the Skins win 10 games.

I'm not sure why any of this is difficult to process.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

...Campbell's QB rating is essentially the same as eli, mcnabb and romo...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 5:51 PM


I remember those ratings, zcezcest, and you made a mistake.

You compared:
JC17's rating vs Beast Opponents
to
Beast QB's vs Skin's

QB ratings vs Beast Opponents:
Tony Romo = 91
Donovan McNabb = 89
Jason Campbell = 78
Eli Manning = 74

No Jason Campbell's rating is not essentially the same, although it's better than Eloi!

Posted by: Vicc

I think you're correct in the comparison I made. I think it was head to head games that involved the Skins. I seem to recall thinking the comparison was fair because each game had the same field conditions, same refs, etc.

Plus, everyone in the NFC East had a good defense.
The jints 3rd, Skins 4th, iggles 5th and dal 8th.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I should add I don't think I made a mistake in looking at the head to head games that involved the Skins ... that the 4 QBs had essentially identical ratings.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Here is an example of what the new practice uniforms will look like. http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/photo/6256091/Future+Skins+uniform

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I should add I don't think I made a mistake in looking at the head to head games that involved the Skins ... that the 4 QBs had essentially identical ratings.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Now I understand what stats you were posting. Not too many QB's perform well agains't our Bend, but don't break Defense.

The problem of a Bend, but don't break Defense is creating the turnovers, because it's playing safe.

Posted by: Vicc | June 18, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Here is an example of what the new practice uniforms will look like. http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/photo/6256091/Future+Skins+uniform

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 8:36 PM

Not likely to see a Comcast logo on there given the animosity between the NFL and Comcast. Maybe ESPN?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

a few notes on our defense and how we stacked up in the division:

3rd in INTs (ahead of dal)

Last in sacks (29th in the league, all other NFC East teams were in the top 6)

tied for last in fumbles recovered (30th overall, tied with jints)

Last in takeaways (tied for 28th overall)

Last in yds/pass attempt (but 8th overall)

2nd in yds/rush attempt (behind philly, 8th overall)

1st in 1st downs by penalty (4th overall, the rest of the division was in the bottom 1/2 of the league). Sounds like a minor stat, but the difference averages out to almost 1 per game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

T_E didn't they just sign some deal between Comcast and NFLN? I thought that the skins had a deal with CSN

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here watch the Nationals game just now?
Carpenter: We took the Subway home last night, there were some nats fans with me.

Dibble: Did you run into The Warriors?

Carpenter: They wanted no part in us... who are the Warriors?

Dibble: It was an 80's movie.

Carpenter: Ah.

Dibble: CAN YOU DIG IT!

(Not an exact copy)

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

The problem of a Bend, but don't break Defense is creating the turnovers, because it's playing safe.

Posted by: Vicc

The Skins were a classic 'don't beat yourself' team last year. Just make few mistakes and you give yourself a chance to win. Very much Gibbs 2.0, ironically.

As strange as it sounds, I'm pretty much on board with that approach. Until we have a better OL ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 18, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

T_E didn't they just sign some deal between Comcast and NFLN? I thought that the skins had a deal with CSN

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 8:53 PM

Yes, but it's not clear that the deal has soothed feelings all around. That mess was real hardball.

And I can't don't know about CSN. What kind of deal is that? Didn't Channel 4 get the rights to the Redskins pre-season games?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I thought that Comcast still had those rights. They still do Redskins nation on Comcast Sports Net dont they?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait to see our defense this year.

I wonder if Eastern Motors will get in on this practice jersey logo.

Posted by: Vicc | June 18, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

They still do Redskins nation on Comcast Sports Net dont they?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 9:24 PM |

Can't say. Never watched CSN.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 18, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Adam Archeletta drafted by the Vegas club in the UFL.

Follow the UFL draft here:

http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Latest/united_football_league_roster_tracker.html

Posted by: ChRiSlARRy1 | June 18, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Even though the stadium already has a name:

Our stadium/practice facility should have one of three names:
1. Bobby Mitchell
2. Jack Kent Cooke
3. Joe Gibbs (v.1)

Snidley doesn't need any more money. Not that he cares. I guess he could loan some to that Dallas owner, looks like he'll need some cash and the banks ain't in lending mood lately.

Posted by: jandlml | June 18, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Here is an example of what the new practice uniforms will look like. http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/photo/6256091/Future+Skins+uniform

Posted by: alex35332 | June 18, 2009 8:36 PM

What a nightmare. It is as tasteless as if they were to put Trojan condoms logo on the crotch area.. oh come on, give me a break! Leave the advertisements out of it, please!

Posted by: RedCherokee | June 19, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I can't think of one time I have agreed with this clown but do with this one. Nor do I agree with Goodell most time, but think he did the right thing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=4270487

Posted by: jm220 | June 19, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

How 'bout them Nats!!!

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 19, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Dante Stallworth gets less time for killing a person than Vick received for killing/fighting his dogs? WTF! I'm against dog fighting, but you only get 30 days for killing a person? Totally injust justice system IMO.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | June 19, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

You can't compare sentences in the criminal justice context. How much or how little time a defendant gets for a particular offense is based on a number of factors. Stallworth was less culpable than Vick. His crime was based on gross negligence as opposed to a purposeful violation of the law. The range of motor vehicle manslaughter sentences, at least in Maryland, begins at about 3 or 4 months. I think Stallworth got the max but he was only sentenced to an active 30 day sentence. He still has 10 years hanging over his head. If he gets arrested again - even if he's eventually found not guilty - he can be sent to prison for this case.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 19, 2009 7:42 AM | Report abuse

The Cialis Performance Facility, perhaps? Practices lasting more than four hours require immediate medical attention. Bathtubs along the sidelines. Wait - Mike Williams in a bathtub? Nevermind.

Posted by: LittleSoren | June 19, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Isskin - are you really going to beat that horse again?! lol.

That's a complete over-simplification and does everyone a disservice.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 19, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

That Goodell performance is just that a performance - indefinite means "no definition" not "permanent".

If Stalworth can't play, he can't pay and Goodell would be interfering with the victim's family's ability to collect on the civil suit.

So watch for the suspension to be more defined once the heat is down.

Pasquerelli is a pandering tool. If it bleeds, it leads.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 19, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

CAN YOU DIIIGGG IIIIITTTTT?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 19, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

NATIONALS COME OUT AND PLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYAYYYYYYY!

Posted by: alex35332 | June 19, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Supposedly I hear a few Ex-Skins are gonna be in the UFL. I have to check the list.
I want to watch but don't know who to root for. If the LV team ends up using the uniform idea I sent them I will go with that.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 19, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

campbell issue is play making... in comparison to the other qb's in our division and other elite qb's in the league ...he hasn't yet figured out how to make an impact or make something happen when the play breaks down.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | June 19, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Can you imagine? The Nats take the field and up to the plate walks a guy in Baseball Furies makeup... lmao...

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 19, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

how is this helping the offensive line???

Posted by: impervious99 | June 19, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I more was thinking the Nats should just update the team unies to a red leather vest and random arm bands.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 19, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

OR maybe we should move to the American league where we belong....

Nats that is....

And fire the owner. Sorry, but Marion Barry had a real owner lined up that atleast semi-cared about DC....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Agreed 4th, the Nats ownership sucks.....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I would rather Snyder own the Nats than the skins, 2 reasons. No salary cap which is what he has wet dreams about every night SJK. And its easier for a owner in MLB to see individual talent then in the NFL, because the stats tell a more accurate picture of a player.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 19, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

campbell issue is play making... in comparison to the other qb's in our division and other elite qb's in the league ...he hasn't yet figured out how to make an impact or make something happen when the play breaks down.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | June 19, 2009 9:14 AM

Thank you sir. This is what I sought to imply with my questions above. It's more than numbers with QBs.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 19, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

home depot already sponsors trainnig camp

Posted by: cgshelton | June 19, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

i think it finally clicks for campbell this year. he's going to have a big year. and so will this guy...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9W7nTi4JFQ

Posted by: brian58 | June 19, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Even saw MK get hit a couple times in there.

...good hands.. not the best footwork.


Here's hopin' they BOTH do well this season.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 19, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Since Danny owns Six Flags, I doubt he'd sponsor himself with that kind of money

Posted by: MadeRED | June 19, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"campbell issue is play making... in comparison to the other qb's in our division and other elite qb's in the league ...he hasn't yet figured out how to make an impact or make something happen when the play breaks down....."

You know, I never really got this argument. How many QBs are "playmakers" in the way you described? I can think of a handful; Ben Roethlisberger, Tony Romo, Donovan McNabb, Brett Favre.

Peyton Manning will never make a play when the play breaks down. Rarely will Tom Brady. Phillip Rivers? Nope. Eli Manning? Not a chance. Drew Brees? Rarely. Kurt Warner? Never in your life.

The first group of guys have an inordinate ability to either (1) hang onto the ball far longer than plays are designed for, (2) force unorthodox passes into tight spaces that weren't originally called for, or (3) both. Often times, they get caught in their ways and their teams pay for it. It's a matter of preference for those guys. You either love those qualities or you hate those qualities.

The second groups of guys never make those types of plays. Most of that is because they rarely ever find themselves in those situations, but when they do, rest assured, they're not wowing anybody. Manning, Brady, Rivers, Warner, and Brees run flowing systems that rarely break down because they're surrounded by dependable talent and dependable coaching staffs. Of course, they hold up their end of the bargain by being prepared for most situations as well. Drew Brees is the closest thing to the first group, and only because he's coached up to let 'er rip into tight coverage. But the play rarely "breaks down" for Brees. And if it does, he has a simple dump-off weapon that few, if any, teams in the league has in Reggie Bush.

So I guess my question is, which type of QB would you rather have? Personally, I'd take a guy that emulates the second group. Just don't think for a second that because a guy isn't adept at making plays when the play "breaks down" that he isn't a quality QB.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

'Eli Manning? Not a chance.'

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2009 10:58 AM |

PSP - You forgot about the SB. Eli made a play when it counted the most....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Since Danny owns Six Flags, I doubt he'd sponsor himself with that kind of money

Posted by: MadeRED | June 19, 2009 10:53 AM |

Snyder does not and never did "own Six Flags." He never even owned One Flag.

He owned 6% of Six Flags stock. When it filed for bankruptcy, he lost that. Now, unless he also owns Six Flags debt, he's out of Six Flags. You have as much claim as he does to "own" Six Flags.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 19, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"PSP - You forgot about the SB. Eli made a play when it counted the most....

Posted by: 4thFloor"

This is true. I'll put Eli into the "rarely" category. The miracle helmet grab by UFA David Tyree. How could I forget.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Yeah that busted play in the superbowl that Eli made sucked...

The misconception is yours psps23, you are assuming that means a running/scramble play.

a serious whateves to that post psps23...

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Huh? You can't be serious. psp, I respect your often well-informed opinion greatly but you're dead wrong on this one.

It's not just about running around and scrambling. It also includes finding time in a collapsing pocket and hitting the guy who has broken off of a pattern or threading it into a tight spot. All of the guys you named have done that.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 19, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

There's also the issue os swagger/cockiness/self-assuredness that great QBs have that is apparent when they walk in a room. I don't see that in JC.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 19, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

lh1,

I see those qualities in Mark Sanchez. Do you think he will be a great QB? and maybe Detroit shoulda drafted him b/c I don't see that in Stafford and IMO, the media gasses Mark more than Matt to the point where if I were an outsider looking in the game of Football, I'd assume Mark is gonna be waaaay better than Matt, but I really can't tell...

Posted by: Vicc | June 19, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

or you could define this "play-making ability" as simply being able to make the neccesary play. If we need a first down, get one. If we need a td, fg, get one.If we're trying to protect the lead , protect the ball and run the clock.
It doesn't seem like campbell has the "inordinate" ability to create when things break down around him. he's a robot that operates well with good programing and top of the line hardware (like he had at auburn).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 19, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"The misconception is yours psps23, you are assuming that means a running/scramble play."

No, I'm assuming that means being able to avoid pressure, one way or another. Big Ben and McNabb don't really 'scramble' as much as they absorb hits. Romo and Favre scramble to avoid hits. None of them are even close to great runners (though McNabb used to be).

I'm assuming that it means either the protection breaks down, or the routes break down.

If protection breaks down, the QB needs to buy himself space. Generally speaking, that involves scrambling. Either you're avoiding pressure, or you're taking the hit.

If the routes break down, you've got 2 options; (1) take off and run yourself, or (2) buy yourself time and space to allow the WRs to improvise. Both of those involve either running, scrambling, or withstanding pressure.

There is no other way to "make a play" when the play "breaks down" for a QB. You're in a dream world if you think a QB can just create a play out of nothing without either moving himself, or having a playmaker do it for him (as I mentioned with Brees/Bush). Romo, McNabb, Big Ben, and Favre do that. Manning, Brady, Rivers, and Warner don't.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

i think it finally clicks for campbell this year. he's going to have a big year. and so will this guy...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9W7nTi4JFQ

Posted by: brian58 | June 19, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I take hit those films of Kelly in College must have been before the knee problems...

Posted by: leevi98 | June 19, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

or you could define this "play-making ability" as simply being able to make the neccesary play. If we need a first down, get one. If we need a td, fg, get one.If we're trying to protect the lead , protect the ball and run the clock.
It doesn't seem like campbell has the "inordinate" ability to create when things break down around him. he's a robot that operates well with good programing and top of the line hardware (like he had at auburn).

Posted by: lilhollywood10

I guess some of you fogot the NO game last year which I was at. JC made plays and made the pass to win the game.

Posted by: jm220 | June 19, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I think a playmaker can be just that QB who stays in the pocket and holds the ball until the very last moment before being smacked by a defender. I would Peyton and Brady is the tier. The know how to use their feet to side step and back peddle to buy more time.....

It will be up to Zorn to take the gloves off of him this year. I am sure Vinny 'reiterated' that to him. No more 13/6 seasons. This ain't 1927. Those are not great numbers no matter how you try to manipulate them.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Vicc, I am not saying that swagger/cockiness alone makes you a great QB. You still have to know how to play the game. But I don't think you can be a great QB and inspire your teammates if you don't have presence or exude that air of confidence.

Skills & cockiness/confidence > skills.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 19, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Sorry psp....I am not buying t at all...makes zero sense. 4th/LH said best.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"It also includes finding time in a collapsing pocket and hitting the guy who has broken off of a pattern or threading it into a tight spot. All of the guys you named have done that.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

Tell me honestly, how many times have you ever seen Peyton Manning or Kurt Warner improvise to the benefit of their teams? They don't do it. Manning studies the game like no other QB, and generally speaking, knows the defense to near perfection. When he doesn't, he struggles. Badly. When Belichick had his number, and lately when the Chargers have had his number, he's been near awful. He's not adept at any of it. He plays in a completely rhythmic offense that almost entirely depends on his ability to read a defense pre-snap and make the correct call.

Similarly with Kurt Warner, he has to play within the confines of his system. His late tenure in St. Louis was marred by opposing teams figuring out how to prevent the big play while exploiting Martz's avoidance of proper protection. Warner looked bad enough that they cut him just a couple years removed from his MVP season.

Eli Manning, for as great as his SB winning drive was (and it was great), he typically struggles when his system breaks down. He has a penchant for throwing off his back foot under pressure, doesn't escape the rush very well, and doesn't buy time for himself. Without Burress, his numbers are staggeringly lower because he doesn't "make plays" when his system isn't running smoothly.

And if you want to argue that, yes, they have made plays on occasion, then fine. But so has Campbell. I can remember 3 big plays last year of Campbell avoiding free blitzers and turning them into big plays (Moss TD vs. NO, Moss' double-move @ Dallas, Moss TD @ Detroit). But I wouldn't characterize him in that manner, just as I wouldn't characterize those other guys either. Big Ben, Romo, and McNabb seem to thrive when the plays break down. There's no way I'm going to say the same about the others I listed.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

You can't compare sentences in the criminal justice context. How much or how little time a defendant gets for a particular offense is based on a number of factors. Stallworth was less culpable than Vick. His crime was based on gross negligence as opposed to a purposeful violation of the law. The range of motor vehicle manslaughter sentences, at least in Maryland, begins at about 3 or 4 months. I think Stallworth got the max but he was only sentenced to an active 30 day sentence. He still has 10 years hanging over his head. If he gets arrested again - even if he's eventually found not guilty - he can be sent to prison for this case.

Posted by: learnedhand1

You write with the clarity of thought and dispassionate logic of a lawyer, LH, which one suspects you are.

However, the facts of he matter remain that Mr. Stallworth went out, got roaring drunk, got behind the wheel of his car, ran a man down and killed him. Mitigation? Yeah, I got one. He was celebrating his new contract. He could afford a cab.

And for the taking of another human life he gets to spend 24 entire days in jail, is encouraged to be a good citizen from now on, and must do what he should have done in the first place-- hire someone to drive for him when he's drunk.

Whether this happened because he is wealthy, famous, because of the non-celebrity status of his victim, or merely because it happened in an extraterrestrial venue called Florida I do not know.

But I do know money was a factor. Because Stallworth had a lot of it, he was able to pass along enough blood money to the victim's relatives to make them go away quietly.

And anyone who is not outraged with that miscarriage of justice just isn't paying attention. IMO. Your witness, counsellor.


Posted by: TheCork | June 19, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Sorry psp....I am not buying t at all...makes zero sense. 4th/LH said best.

Posted by: chrislarry

A lot of his statements don't make sense.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | June 19, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

psp, you're now arguing just for the sake of arguing. You can't possibly believe that those QBs you named have built there careers solely on ideal conditions. I know you don't believe.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 19, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"psp, you're now arguing just for the sake of arguing"

Thats his thing!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Leaf Arrested on Texas Charges at U.S.-Canada Border.

Oh joy

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 18, 2009 3:14 PM

Dang! I've always believed Texas should be illegal, but nice to see they finally passed a law.

Posted by: TheCork | June 19, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Is it a miscarriage of justice if the prosecution agrees to the sentence and the victims (in this case, the surviving family members) agree to what justice is meted out?

If they agree that justice is served, why do you have a hard time swallowing it, Cork?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 19, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

OH NO!!!



Portis Becoming A Major Problem For Zorn
Posted by Mike Florio on June 19, 2009, 11:57 a.m.
As if we didn’t already give the Brothers Mottram sufficient ammunition for accusing us of baseless speculation, here’s one that could spark another Twitter skirmish. (In some seriousness, we actually have negotiated — we think — a tentative cease fire with our friends from the old Sports Blogger Live show, which AOL never should have discontinued.)

The Redskins have a problem.

And its name is Clinton Portis.

Multiple sources have advised us that Portis shows little or no respect to coach Jim Zorn, and that the situation bubbled over at least once during the team’s OTA sessions, with Portis telling the coach off in front of other players.

Said one source: “Portis totally has no regard for [Zorn] and thinks he’s above everyone.”

It’s no surprise; Portis sounded off earlier this year regarding the team’s offensive strategy in the second half of the 2008 season.

And Hall of Famer John Riggins nailed the situation in late January.

“He’s already a headache,” Riggins said. “You mean is he going to get worse? I don’t know. I said that at the end of the season and I believe that unless he changes the way he views himself and views his contributions to the team, then I think that that could be problematic for the Redskins. It’s a bad situation, created probably by the people who run the team, that he’s been allowed to take the course that he has.

“I don’t think there’s any turning back now because obviously to a certain extent Clinton Portis has the team over a barrel from my understanding of the amount of money that he’s owed, guaranteed money that becomes really cost-prohibitive to get rid of him over a [salary] cap issue. There’s not that many teams that would be interested in Clinton Portis, I don’t think, and so they have a bad situation on their hands. [That’s] my personal take on it.”

Riggins isn’t the only one who feels that way.

So why has it happened? As the source mentioned above explained it, “Dan [Snyder] has created this sense of entitlement over the years by confiding in him about team issues and considering him a ‘friend.’”

But, as Riggins explained in January, the team is stuck. In the “last capped year,” trading or cutting Portis isn’t an option, because the full remaining bonus allocation would hit the cap in 2009.

The other reality is that the Redskins need Portis’ production in the running game. But they need him to perform in a way that doesn’t disrupt what Zorn is trying to accomplish as he tries to keep his butt in a chair that guys like Mike Shanahan and/or Mike Holmgren might be eyeballing

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I have a real hard time buying into the "Throw them in jail and throw away the key" approach to jurisprudence that has developed in this country over the past 2-3 decades.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 19, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey something real to discuss/bicker about!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Riggins is right, relative to the Redskins being over a barrel as far as Portis is concerned; this is one where the Danny needs to step up and handle the situation between the two men, and if Portis does not like the result, then you have to do what is best for the team.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 19, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I would like to know what the said argument was about.

Could this be coming from Zorn's camp? Who are all these multiple sources?!?

I believe it happened, it's just not enough info to feul a blame game on Portis, though....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with the owner having CP as a friend?? All this means to me is that Portis will work hard for the Redskins and do everything he can do to get us to the 'Promise Land', With or Without Zorn..

I don't see this as trying to undermine the coach, at the moment...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

LH,

I do believe that. Now, that's not saying anybody would thrive in their situation, or even come close. Manning is that successful because he's so good at everything that occurs before the snap and before the game. He makes his own situation ideal. From the moment the ball is snapped, it's a simple execution of making the correct read, then having the skill to put the ball where it needs to be. But when the play "breaks down", he really isn't that good at making something happen.

Same thing with Kurt Warner. He knows his players' routes inside and out. All he does is make his read, then put the ball on the money. And he's brilliant at it. But, just as with most QBs, when his reads lead to nothing being open, or when his protection breaks down to the point that his WRs routes haven't developed, he struggles.

For Romo, Favre, McNabb, or Roethlisberger, that's not the same. Relative to other QBs, they're great when things break down. They buy time for themselves, or throw up unorthodox passes. Sometimes, they benefit greatly. But a lot of times, they struggle to find that line between being beneficial and between hurting their teams.

And again, I'm not saying those other guys never make broken plays into something. I'm just saying they do it no more than a guy like Campbell. What separates them is everything they do within their systems.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"psp, you're now arguing just for the sake of arguing"

Thats his thing!

Posted by: chrislarry

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You know me too well.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Learned & Cork - didn't I read somewhere that Stallworth was facing up to 25 years?

If so, that's a pretty drastic difference from the sentence he received.

But it seems like what most people are doing here is using the Stallworth situation to ameliorate Vick - which makes about as much sense as letting Mussolini off 'case Hitler was an SJK....

Basically if you bring up Vick in this context you should be straight up ITA'd.

And for anyone complaining about the 'unfairness' of the Stallworth sentencing, I have yet to see some sort of alternate solution from you on how the family is going to survive without the Patriarch.

Some states have much stricter Drunk-driving laws. Don't some states put drunk driving deaths up for murder in some cases?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 19, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Portis is prolly in the wrong on some level, but love Portis and have a developing dislike for Zorn.

So I am in Portis' camp!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Very slow up here today......I think towards the end of last season JC17 started to scramble more often and it turned into a bunch of “big” plays/conversions. Hopefully Zorn realizes this and coaches it into him that it’s okay to take off once in a while just to keep the defense worried about it and having to make adjustments for it. This could freeze opposing MLB’s a little more and open things up passing wise. This, coupled with just one receiver stepping up into a viable #2 threat could mean very big things for the offense. Anyway, he’s probably going to have to run a lot more this year anyway if the oline is not improved (which I doubt very much that it has)……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 19, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

So I am in Portis' camp!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 12:25 PM

I am surprised. What about Zorn turns you off?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

cL,
You can't be in Portis' camp, unless you want anarchy on the team.

Portis will be a loose cannon and Zorn will have him riding the pine after the first loss.

Betts?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 19, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Dik, the media always reports the maximum sentence a person can receive based upon the charges. Defendants only get the max if the sentencing guidelines require it based on a number of factors, including nature of the offense and prior criminal history.

Cork, you ignored the role of the court in sentencing. Are you suggesting the judge was blinded by money too? Because that is who rendered the sentence - not the prosecutor, not the victim's family. Judges and prosecutors consider the defendant's danger to the community at large more so than the victim when deciding on a case's disposition. Remember the case is State of Florida v. Stallworth not Victim/victim's family v. Stallworth. Certainly, the prosecutor wants the victim to be satisfied but at the end of the day he/she has to answer to the citizens of the community. The judge has to follow the law and mete out justice accordingly.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 19, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Portis is prolly in the wrong on some level, but love Portis and have a developing dislike for Zorn.

So I am in Portis' camp!

Posted by: chrislarry

I am with you on this one CL. The more we learn about Zorn the more I dislike him as a HC.

Posted by: jm220 | June 19, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

pft is great for football news, but unfairly biased against the skins. i'd take this, along with florio's notion that favre could end up on the skins with a grain of salt.

Posted by: brian58 | June 19, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis can only do what Clinton Portis does. That's what Clinton Portis did.

Get 'em, P! F Zorn, I've said a bunch of times that I WILL NOT vouch for this cornball as head coach. He let Jim Mora "J-R" come into Seattle and rough the HC position away from him, no, that's not correct.

Holmgren decided to give the job to Jim Mora, Jr. after one year. Zorn had already been there for seven, and never handled any type of play calling duties.

If the best job he's done to date was having a hand in developing Matt Hasselbeck, then he should've been brought in strictly as a QBs coach.

Portis gets special privileges because he's the best player on the team, if he weren't, he wouldn't be tight with Snyder. Portis receiving special treatment shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. The best player on the team gets all the love, benefit of the doubt, and special treatment -- by the media, fans, coaches, and front office personnel, like Clinton Portis.

Zorn will be gone after this year. Can't wait on Shanahan to come here...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 19, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

There is a good chance that Portis may be channeling the sentiments of the owner.

I don't envy Zorn in any case. Portis is the man, but he needs to act like one. When the media does follow up, Zorn and Portis will blow it off.

But let's be real, if it happened in OTAs, it wasn't the heat of battle.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 19, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

dhaze: " think towards the end of last season JC17 started to scramble more often and it turned into a bunch of “big” plays/conversions. Hopefully Zorn realizes this and coaches it into him that it’s okay to take off once in a while just to keep the defense worried about it and having to make adjustments for it."

Wasn't there an article last season suggesting that Zorn's the one who told Jason to tuck it and run if a hole opened up? As long as he didn't take any direct hits, that is.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 19, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't envy Zorn in any case. Portis is the man, but he needs to act like one.

No Stumped Zorn needs to act like a man. I turned on him when he started calling his players out in the media. A man goes to the player and tell him. A man that is the HC keep that stuff in house. I really hope he is gone after this year.

Posted by: jm220 | June 19, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I am surprised. What about Zorn turns you off?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

See RedDMV's explanation....I am adopting that as my own....with one addendum

Zorn is "my scheme" guy, which to me is a fundamental flaw in any coach...a good coach designs to the guys he has not tries to force them into some ideological scheme.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

stumped, didnt ports vs zorn already start in the heat of battle....ie the second half of last season?

Seems like this current flare up is all continuation from last year...

And I L-O-V-E Riggins...but he needs to bite his tongue a bit...he practically invented the prima donna RB mold...Portis is basically the hip hop riggins...which is prolly what ranckles Riggo...

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

jm,

I hear you. I have mixed feelings about Z and I agree they should be keeping it in house.

As we all know two wrongs don't make a right.

...and (its the parent in me), I don't care who started it.

Oh, and if I were a betting man, I'll bet you get your wish.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 19, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

On the sidelines during the early hot part of the season, Skins could have "Vicks VapoRub(r)down tents," for anti-cramping, like the man-held umbrellas Zorn concocted last year to keep the sun out.

Posted by: Xlnt | June 19, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Cl,
You're right Riggins has no room to talk. I'm sure he has re-invented his own history though.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 19, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's just hope that Zorn has FINALLY installed his 2-minute offense.

Which he didn't before game 1 last year....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I have been watching the now no fun league for quite a few years now and have been an avid redskin fan always. Portis, though I am not a fan of his media alter characters, is a great runner, and an awesome pass blocker. Zorn would be smart to use his pass catching skills more this season. Betts is an adequate relief back for Portis. the keys are the offensive line, Zorn's play calling/clock mgmt and spec teams.I have yet to be impressed with Zorn in that regard since he wears both the HC and O coordinator hats. fortunately for us, the defense should get us significantly more turnovers this season, allowing Zorn to be more aggressive in his play calling. our schedule is weaker than last season & our pass rush should be better, so I conclude that anything worse than 11 wins (barring critical injuries) is a bust. HAIL SKINS!

Posted by: jenksredskins | June 19, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Silver: Cowboys Cut T.O. To Empower Romo
Posted by Mike Florio on June 19, 2009, 1:04 p.m.
Our pal Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports has gotten to the bottom of the Cowboys’ surprising-but-not-unexpected decision in early March to poopcan the popcorn-eating wideout with a penchant for dropping passes. (Possibly because of the popcorn.)

Per Silver, the Cowboys decided that quarterback Tony Romo couldn’t become a true leader with T.O. on the team.

“It’s hard to take over leadership when you’ve got a strong personality like Terrell [Owens],” Cowboys Executive V.P. Stephen Jones told Silver. “If you look back at our old teams [from the 1990s], a lot of people would say maybe Michael [Irvin] was the leader. Then you might say, ‘He was a receiver. What about Troy [Aikman]? He was the quarterback. Wasn’t he the leader?’ And the answer is, yeah, Troy was a leader. But if Michael wasn’t supportive of him, Troy would’ve had problems.”

There were other factors, too. But the bottom line was that Romo can’t become the best leader he can be with someone like T.O. trying to stir up trouble, directly and indirectly. For example, his tearful “that’s my quarterback” routine could be viewed as a passive-aggressive strategy for cajoling the media into blaming the 2007 playoff loss on Romo’s vacation to Cabo.

And that bye week Mexican detour continues to resonate with us. Even without Owens around, does Romo truly understand what it means to be a leader? It’s not just about a willingness to grind away with film study and preparation (which Romo might not possess), a strong desire to achieve a high degree of physical fitness and conditioning (which Romo might not possess), and a burning obsession to be the best quarterback in the history of the sport (which Romo might not possess).

Our current work-in-progress theory on Romo is that the undrafted free agent is happy to be where he currently is, and that he lacks the will to push through the ceiling that currently hovers over his head. Dumping Owens won’t make Romo want to get to the next level; it’ll only make it easier to get there if/when Romo makes that Manning-Brady style commitment to greatness.

Until Romo focuses his efforts on achieving greatness, he won’t be the kind of player — or leader — that Troy Aikman was.

Indeed, if Aikman were still the quarterback, the Cowboys wouldn’t have had to cut Terrell Owens.

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Biggest Mistake Cowboys have done this decade was to cut TO. I don't even see these dudes being relevant this year.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Cl,
You're right Riggins has no room to talk. I'm sure he has re-invented his own history though.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 19, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

You think that Riggo was sober enough to remember anything from the 80s?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 19, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

That's a bunch of crap coming from Dallas as usual RE: Owens Release and Romo becoming a leader because of it.

If anything it underlines the misconception people have with the leader being synonymous with the best player on the team.

It is not.

Leadership ain't something you wake up with one day, it has to be instilled in you early, or on rare occasions you're a natural born one.

It isn't in Romo to be a leader. He needs vocal guys around him, if T.O. wasn't stuck on himself all the damn time, he'd be perfect.

Ever see the 6 year old in a kindergarten class in charge of everyone, sometimes, including the teacher?

It's why I get fusturated when people gripe, bit*h, and moan about Portis becoming a leader. Portis is who he is *you are who you are* and people want him to change into someone that he simply isn't and probably never will be: A leader.

But that's okay. You need more producers than leaders, and Porits is a producing muthatrucka.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 19, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm not crazy about either of them. But at least Portis brings it on Sunday. Zorn hasn't proven anything yet. Both give off an air of arrogant dickishness. So it's no wonder they don't get along. Funny thing (or sad thing), one man deserves all the credit for bringing these destructive forces together and nurturing their overblown egos: Daniel Snyder.

Of course if they win the division and do some damage in the playoff I'll wear a Portis jersey and chant "Hip Hip Horray!" with the rest of you. Until then, F those two.

Posted by: mack1 | June 19, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking REMAX practice facility. to the MAX

Posted by: ElYeah | June 19, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

a good coach designs to the guys he has not tries to force them into some ideological scheme.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 1:12 PM

I don't buy it, and it's sure not about "ideology."

A good coach coaches. He teaches players what they should do. Enough with prima donna players who can't adapt. And with coaches who can't coach players to adapt.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 19, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I've mentioned this before, how the Skins have decided character isn't an issue since Joe Gibbs left.

Now Portis isn't a different person than when Gibbs was here, but Gibbs understood how to manage people better than Zorn. Plus Danny's 'friendship' towards Portis and more than generous contract renewal probably doesn't help.

I won't put much credibility into the story posted earlier -- too easy to exaggerate stuff like that.

Still, the Skins have brought in several guys with more problematic histories to mesh with a coach that doesn't have the skills in that area that the prior guy did.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 19, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Subject matter this time of year is lame. I would prefer a personal profile for each player...one per day. Posts should be restricted to the subject matter. All others can twitter under another venue. OUT

Posted by: changer1 | June 19, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of whether or not you side with one or the other, it's in their best interests to benefit each other. Portis isn't exactly a young buck, and Zorn has yet to prove anything. Both need the other to be successful this year, or both could be on the chopping block next season (with the uncapped year for Portis and Snyder's unforgiving nature with Zorn). It's pretty stupid for them to be feuding.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty stupid for them to be feuding.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2009 2:37 PM |

Right. Is there any coach-player feud that's not stupid?

I'd like to see an intelligent feud like the one between you and learnedhand. Or Cork and the rest of the world. Or RedDMV and his illegitimate child, TheTruth11.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 19, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"I don't buy it, and it's sure not about "ideology."

If you don't buy I must be on to something.....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Red, others, be careful. Downloading can be quite expensive.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 19, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Portis is a leader and Zorn is not. I promise you his teammates love him and respect him.

And...

"Dang! I've always believed Texas should be illegal,..."

Posted by: TheCork | June 19, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I dunno what that means, but Cork I pray one day you get an opportunity to turn a Texas Woman inside-out!

Posted by: Vicc | June 19, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I posted that story to my FB, LH.....INSANE.....time to blow up the music industry....unbelievable....the artists that fat head from the RIAA throws around should be ashamed to be connected to this. They all suck anyway.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

If you don't buy I must be on to something.....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 2:58 PM

Probably. You're almost always on something.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 19, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"Is there any coach-player feud that's not stupid?"

It doesn't happen often, but here's a snapshot:

Riggins and Jack Pardee. Pardee got fired, Gibbs got hired, Riggo won the Super Bowl. Point; Riggo.

Corey Dillon and Marvin Lewis. Dillon wanted out, Dillon got traded, Dillon wins a Super Bowl. Point; Corey Dillon.

One that remains to be seen for either the coach or the player. Jay Cutler vs. Josh McDaniels. Remains to be seen how well they end up using their draft selections, as well as how well Cutler ends up producing in Chicago.

The use of the word "stupid" was meant to mean that it will not be beneficial for either of them. Portis needs Zorn because he's untradeable and only has so many miles left, therefore it's in his best interest to win now. Zorn needs Portis because Portis is untradeable and was one of his only weapons last season, and he also needs to win now in order to keep his job. Neither will gain anything by feuding with each other. While learnedhand and I clearly create positives with our ongoing feuds, it's not that same with these two.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

psps23,
You are forgetting quite a few player v coachs.

TO vs Mooch- TO left Mooch got fired, neither has won anything

TO vs Andy Reid- TO left and nothing happened to change either party.

TO vs Parcels- Parcels quite went to Miami and revived a 1-15 team. TO's has won nothing

Posted by: alex35332 | June 19, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

http://blog.redskins.com/2009/06/19/friday-june-19-mike-williams-actually-is-looking-for-a-chef/#continued

I just read this from the Redskin.com blog, big Mike is down to 365 lbs. I'm really impressed by his level of effort to trim down, and lead a healthier lifestyle. Hopefully this translate to on the field production for the skins at some point this season, but more importantly I'm hoping he's developed better eating habits.

Posted by: TWISI | June 19, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"player v coachs."

Nice subtle use of singular vs plural. Couldn't be more appropriate on the singular subject at hand.

Posted by: psps23 | June 19, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

even when I don't think about it I know what I am doing.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 19, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

In terms of player vs coach, I'd estimate the coach is right 80% of the time.

Still, the incident that taught me that even young players sometimes see things more clearly than the coach was Magic Johnson.

Magic got Paul Westhead fired for not using him properly. Westhead wanted a more half court offense, Magic brought Westhead down and the next coach decided that it would be a good idea to let Magic run the break.

Magic, who was probably about 20 at the time, was right.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 19, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/19/portis-becoming-a-major-problem-for-zorn/

It's very interesting to see this. Mike Florio's probably rehashing the issue.. starting up controversy for the sake of controversy.

Posted by: RedCherokee | June 19, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

It's very interesting to see this. Mike Florio's probably rehashing the issue.. starting up controversy for the sake of controversy.

Posted by: RedCherokee

I wouldn't surprise me in the least if this is being distorted. The character challenge the Skins have (including Portis) is real. Is this story real? Maybe, maybe not.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 19, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-0618-jason-campbell-interview,0,4978859.column

JC17 I guess doen't like DC Weather. OR. he isn't trying to put all his eggs in one masket (market)....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

4 trips a year to orlando? seaworld? sounds like someone's got some illegitimate youngins out of state.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 19, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell really, really, really likes Disney world... Really.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 19, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Z, did you turn off the games before Magic's rookie season ended too? Paul Westhead preferred half court basketball? Are you kidding me. The guy is known for his fastbreak offensive style. He won the NBA championship in his first year as coach of the Lakers with Magic running the show as a rookie. He was fired during his and Magic's third season with the Lakers. Westhead got fired for because players didn't like him. Not because of his preferred style of play.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 19, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

4th, that reporter looks like she might be worth a move to sunny Orlando.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 19, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Maybe JC17's secret revenge on the team is that he is going to the UFL tryouts to get a starting job in a new league.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 19, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Portis is the best player on this team period! Has been since he got here.Single handedly carries us through at least 5 games a year. In my opinion CP can do or say whatever the hell he wants.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 19, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

great article on divas at WR. Dilfer throws Braylon Edwards under a locomotive.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/06/19/receivers/index.html?eref=T1

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 19, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Former NFL player pleads not guilty to 1994 murder

The Associated Press
Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:18 PM

NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. -- A former NFL linebacker has pleaded not guilty to killing a wealthy Southern California businessman 14 years ago.

Orange County district attorney's spokeswoman Farrah Emami says Eric Naposki entered the plea Thursday in Superior Court in Newport Beach.

Naposki, who played in the late 1980s for the New England Patriots and Indianapolis Colts, is charged with one count of murder in the December 1994 shooting of millionaire William Francis McLaughlin.

Authorities say Naposki was romantically involved with McLaughlin's girlfriend, Nanette Ann Packard McNeal, who stood to collect $1 million in life insurance from McLaughlin's death. She also is charged with murder.

A message seeking comment was left for Naposki's attorney Gary Pohlson.

© 2009 The Associated Press

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I am so ready for the season to start. Offense shaky, but I can see the defense being absolutely dominant.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 19, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

4th, that reporter looks like she might be worth a move to sunny Orlando.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 19, 2009 3:57 PM

Why do you think he allowed her the interview :-), And she threw in that question about his 3 year GF and if marriage is in the future. That was def a personal question. I won't go as far as to say they may be 'friends' already, but hey.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

He was fired during his and Magic's third season with the Lakers. Westhead got fired for because players didn't like him. Not because of his preferred style of play.

Posted by: learnedhand1

At the beginning of the 1981–82 season, Johnson had a heated dispute with Westhead, who Johnson said made the Lakers "slow" and "predictable".[33]

fwiw -- I didn't say Johnson got Westhead fired, though apparently he did play a role in it.

Magic saw the team playing one style, thought it would be better to play another and went public with it. My comment was meant to reflect a time when the player saw things more clearly than the coach. Magic was correct.

As for Westhead, he did go up tempo in Denver(?). It was a perfect offense -- but only if the shot clock rule was changed from 24 seconds to 7.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 19, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I jus read Mike Floreo article and this one:
http://oldposts.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/08/portis-weve-got-to-stick-with-whats-working/

So we're reducing Portis' carries per game? That's a mistake. Portis is a football player if ever I've seen one! Best pass protection back in the league as well! (sumthin that get's overlooked like Hines Ward's run blocking ability)

They critized him after his first game agains't the Bucs when aside from his 64yd TD he went 28carries 84yds 3.0ypc. But that's what he does b/c he's a game breaker and future HOFamer.

Someone go look at our win column when he get's 25+ carries a game(I think we've only lost once when has 30+carries)..The more carries he get's the better he get's because he's always a threat to break a big one, even if it's not a TD.

And don't question his toughness please, he's only missed like 9 games in 5 years.

According to John Clayton, most HOF backs have 2900 carries, 12,000+yds, and around 80-85+TDs...Portis is very close and will surpass all these numbers with the possible exception of 2900 carries.

Clinton Portis(27 going on 28 years old) career: 2052carries, 9202yards, 72tds. Give tha ball to Portis 30+times!!!

Posted by: Vicc | June 19, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Big Mike Williams down to 365! Only a few pounds to 340. I think Heyer will do well at RT. But maybe Williams can step in at RG if thomas doesnt heal.

Posted by: brian58 | June 19, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | June 19, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

fwiw -- I didn't say Johnson got Westhead fired, though apparently he did play a role in it...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 19, 2009 4:25 P

You didn't?

... "Magic got Paul Westhead fired for not using him properly. Westhead wanted a more half court offense, Magic brought Westhead down and the next coach decided that it would be a good idea to let Magic run the break..."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 19, 2009 3:30 PM

This is what's known as impeachment with a prior statement.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 19, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

LH is the MAN! Classic....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 19, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

ooops, I guess I ought to read my own writing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 19, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

LH,

I do believe that. Now, that's not saying anybody would thrive in their situation, or even come close. Manning is that successful because he's so good at everything that occurs before the snap and before the game. He makes his own situation ideal. From the moment the ball is snapped, it's a simple execution of making the correct read, then having the skill to put the ball where it needs to be. But when the play "breaks down", he really isn't that good at making something happen.

Same thing with Kurt Warner. He knows his players' routes inside and out. All he does is make his read, then put the ball on the money. And he's brilliant at it. But, just as with most QBs, when his reads lead to nothing being open, or when his protection breaks down to the point that his WRs routes haven't developed, he struggles.

For Romo, Favre, McNabb, or Roethlisberger, that's not the same. Relative to other QBs, they're great when things break down. They buy time for themselves, or throw up unorthodox passes. Sometimes, they benefit greatly. But a lot of times, they struggle to find that line between being beneficial and between hurting their teams.

And again, I'm not saying those other guys never make broken plays into something. I'm just saying they do it no more than a guy like Campbell. What separates them is everything they do within their systems.

psp...now you are making sense....each guy who is considered elite makes plays in there own way ..each can be had, all qb's in the league make dumb plays when pressured or forcing the play to someone covered...but the real good ones ..ones who win, make more good, even if its only slightly more good or great plays than bad and they seem to time those plays when the team needs them the most...campbell has yet to have those kinds of plays, he has only proven so far he can play in this league...he needs to prove he can play at a high level and lead his team...thats what all the good ones past and present have done....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | June 19, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

i'll add before i run...he showed some signs late last year....quicker decision making especially when to take off and run....at this point in his career, that is a good option once in awhile, he is unorthodox but effective... to be fair he needs help, needs better oline play and help from his WR's....but time will run out this season if doesn't get it done....then we start over again....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | June 19, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

FedEx’s Smith could deliver bid for Rams
St. Louis Business Journal
- by Christopher Tritto

Fred Smith, founder, chairman, CEO and president of Memphis-based FedEx Corp., has joined the short list of people whose names are circulating as potential bidders for a majority stake in the St. Louis Rams.

Smith has the financial resources to buy an NFL franchise. His nearly 20 million shares of FedEx stock alone are worth about $1 billion and his annual base salary tops $1.1 million. He already owns a 10 percent stake in the Washington Redskins — which he would have to sell — worth about $150 million, based on Forbes magazine’s $1.5 billion valuation of the team.

Smith’s long-running relationship with the NFL and its owners, his business background, and his family’s passion for football would make him an ideal lead owner in the nation’s wealthiest and most prestigious sports league, industry sources say.

“Fred Smith would be an owner straight out of central casting for the NFL,” said Mark Ganis, president of Chicago-based consulting firm Sportscorp Ltd. “He would be very well received in NFL circles. They know him well. He is an entrepreneur who built a business from scratch into one of the most successful companies in the world. He has a marketing and customer service background. He has a love of the game of football. And he looks the part.”

ctritto@bizjournals.com

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 19, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"now at San Francisco's Valley Fair"

that's what the Samsung banner ad on the top of the page reads.

But .... San Francisco doesn't have a Valley Fair.

Valley Fair is 40 miles away, at the border of San Jose, easily the most populous city in Northern CA and Santa Clara.

Its a bit like saying Baltimore is in DC.

Stupid thing is that Samsung has a significant presence in San Jose.

Not that those of us that live in San Jose have an inferiority thing. We don't. And we're not in denial either. We're not.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 19, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh man no question she is straight heat 4th. Yeah I would be making a couple trips down there as well if I was JC. LOL

Posted by: jm220 | June 19, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

me so zorny, me love west coast offense long time

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 19, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

victims (in this case, the surviving family members) agree to what justice is meted out?

If they agree that justice is served, why do you have a hard time swallowing it, Cork?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston *****

No john, they are the bereaved. The elder gentleman turned into a grease spot ins the victim. The lack of concern over human life is startling!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | June 19, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

'The Hangover' is massively over-rated.

I found more amusement in watching an elderly couple 'make out' in the theater lobby than in the movie.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 19, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

'The Hangover' is massively over-rated.

I found more amusement in watching an elderly couple 'make out' in the theater lobby than in the movie.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 19, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse


Oh, you saw us.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | June 20, 2009 1:13 AM | Report abuse

I found more amusement in watching an elderly couple 'make out' in the theater ...

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 19, 2009 10:15 PM

I thought you were talking about watching "Up."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 20, 2009 6:51 AM | Report abuse

"But that's what he (Portis) does b/c he's a game breaker and future HOFamer."


Mike Florio says that Clinton Portis is a future, "HOFamer..."

What are the chances of this happening?

Portis' present career numbers:
2,052 (carries) 9,202 (yards) 4.5 72 (TDs)

Portis is listed 28th on the NFL's All-time rushing list.

If he somehow remains 'healthy' (a relative term for an NFL running back) and averages, say, 1,300 yards over the next three seasons (he's been averaging between 1,300-1,400 the past couple of seasons), he'll total 13,102 after ten being in the league ten years.

13,102 yards would place CP between T Dorsett and E Dickerson on the All-Time list.

Along the way, factor in passes caught, intangles like that fact he's a good media guy, and an all round solid NFL citizen.

But, back to the original question:

Does this all mean CP will 'chug' along and get a gold jacket and bust one day?

Maybe.

Will he continue to flourish as Jason Campbell's arm is seen as the key force to improving the redskins' offense?

Maybe.

Will folks one day say he, Ed Reed, and Ray Lewis were the greatest players from the "U" to play in the NFL?

Sure, why not.

But will he finish his career as a redskin while making his HOF drive come alive?

Doubt it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 20, 2009 7:09 AM | Report abuse

t_e

"I thought you were talking about watching "Up."

Confession: I'm a movie snob.

Not that I didn't get the humor in "The Hangover".

But R-rated comedies like it (take "Knocked Up" or "Superbad" for example) should have a few bust out loud laugh scenes.

I found myself looking at my watch multiple times while watching "The Hangover".

Too, unless the 200 or so people in the theater with me were all high, there was hardly any laughter from anyone else.

But the summer moves on.

My next assignment: "Public Enemies"

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 20, 2009 7:15 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins' is Offense shaky, but I can see the defense being absolutely dominant."


I wish we could reverse this.

I'd rather win 31-21 than scrap by or lose 13-9 every week.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 20, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I do like to score because I like to jump around and sing "Hail to the Redskins." It startles the dog and annoys the rest of the family. But my first priority is to win, and I really don't remember what the score was two days later, only the Ws and Ls.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 20, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

TE, you enjoy singing HTTR after sex too!?

Posted by: chrislarry | June 20, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

TE, you enjoy singing HTTR after sex too!?

Posted by: chrislarry | June 20, 2009 1:32 PM

Only when it's with one of the Redskins cheerleaders. That's how I learned all the new words, like "fight for old DC" instead of "...Dixie." A few of the cheerleaders don't even know that it was once "Dixie."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 20, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Somebody on ESPN was pointing out what a big acquisition Derrick Ward might be for Tampa. I knew he'd rushed for a thousand and caught passes, but he's better than that: he didn't lose a fumble, and averaged a league-leading 5.2 yards a carry.

Of course some folks are saying that's because he played behind that terrific NY offensive line and got to leave the hard work to his running mate. Still, those are impressive numbers.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 20, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

My bad: Derrick Ward actually averaged 5.6 yards in 182 carries.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 20, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Interesting read from a few days ago. Although no one (from Tampa or anywhere) seems to be here thought I would post on this sloooow Sat. night.

"....
But, now, the unexpected strikes again at the position: multiple coaches and team insiders report that Justin Tryon has been stealing the show at OTA's and minicamp. Yes, that Justin Tryon. The same guy who was last seen looking lost during the preseason last year.
.....
This brings us back to Tryon. Is it really all that unreasonable to expect a contribution here? If Tryon becomes a better than replacement corner in the NFL, it continues an impressive three year streak of hitting on late round and undrafted talent for Vinny Cerrato. From Monty, Golston, and Doughty in 2006, to Stephon Heyer and HB Blades in 2007, to Kareem Moore and Chris Horton in 2008 and who knows, you could one day throw Tryon or Rob Jackson in that mix. That's nine names in the last three years, and this past draft includes a pair of linebackers the team likes, as well as an undrafted Center who was highly rated. The main point is: the Redskins weren't guessing in the dark with Tryon. They weren't simply saving face when they spared him a roster spot after DHall came over.
...."

http://redskinshogheaven.com/2009/06/justin-tryon-head-turner.html

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 20, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

"....
But, now, the unexpected strikes again at the position: multiple coaches and team insiders report that Justin Tryon has been stealing the show at OTA's and minicamp. Yes, that Justin Tryon. The same guy who was last seen looking lost during the preseason last year
Posted by: Curzon417 | June 20, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Curz, pass me what you're drinking. I hope this article is right, but I'm not holding my breathe. I still see Tryon as a special teamer, hope we don't have to see him on D. If I'm wrong, so much the better.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 20, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Tonight Fredie, it's Modelo Negro chasing some Aha Toro Anejo Tequila. Enjoy!

Can't say I'm holding my breath either, but would love to be pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 20, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't always drink beer. But when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 20, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the most interesting man on RI.

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 21, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Siht, too many shots. That should have been Negra Modelo.

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 21, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

The Hangover is the best movie of the summer, til next week, made me want to hop a plane back to Vegas

Posted by: jpt1002 | June 21, 2009 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Til next week...Humm, Transformers?

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 21, 2009 2:19 AM | Report abuse

This brings us back to Tryon. Is it really all that unreasonable to expect a contribution here?

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 20, 2009 10:05 PM

Yes, it is. Haven't you read anything that Cork has posted since Tryon was drafted? Tryon is a complete bust. Always has been, always will be. This is all about Vinnie, not about Tryon.

If Tryon's not a complete bust, the Cork's a complete fraud, washed up as a poster. Always has been, always will be.

We can't let that happen, can we?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 21, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
I've got some money 'cause I just got paid
Now, how I wish I had someone to talk to
I'm in an awful way

Poor Curzon!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 21, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if Goodell's NFL office is aware of the use of Redskins.Com (owned by the NFL) for FEDEX Field (owned by Mr. Snyder) non-NFL related events marketing??
Soccer game last week and presently the Paul McCartney Concert??
I cannot imagine they would be pleased that their property, REdskins.Com, is being used as a marketing arm for private Dan Snyder ventures. Unless, giving Dan the benefit of the doubt, he is paying the NFL for the advertising on the website??
Where is our investigative journalist, JLAC, when we need him??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 21, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I cannot imagine they would be pleased that their property, REdskins.Com, is being used as a marketing arm for private Dan Snyder ventures.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 21, 2009 11:00 AM

The NFL does not own redskins.com any more than they own Dan Snyder's jet, Johnny Rocket's, or Fed Ex field. The Redskins own redskins.dom

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 21, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins own redskins.dom"

Freudian typo?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 21, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

The cork is a fraud and he stinks. Tryon panning out would be great but that is a reach right now.

Happy Fathers Day.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | June 21, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

The NFL does not own redskins.com any more than they own Dan Snyder's jet, Johnny Rocket's, or Fed Ex field. The Redskins own redskins.dom

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 21, 2009 11:05 AM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
ummm, thanks for your insight TE.. But,
Here is the data from NetworkSolutions.Com WHOIS.. Which seems to indicate the NFL owns the Domain.. Danny may have some splaining to do.. Unless the NFL is sharing the Paul McCartney profits???

-----------------------------------------------------------------------


Registrant:
National Football League
NFL
280 Park Avenue
New York NY 10017
US
dns_admin@nfl.com +1.2124502000 Fax: +1.2126817585

Domain Name: redskins.com

Registrar Name: Markmonitor.com
Registrar Whois: whois.markmonitor.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.markmonitor.com

Administrative Contact:
National Football League
NFL
280 Park Avenue
New York NY 10017
US
dns_admin@nfl.com +1.2124502000 Fax: +1.2126817585
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
National Football League
NFL
280 Park Avenue
New York NY 10017
US
dns_admin@nfl.com +1.2124502000 Fax: +1.2126817585

Created on..............: 1996-07-29.
Expires on..............: 2010-07-27.
Record last updated on..: 2009-06-11.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I cannot imagine they would be pleased that their property, REdskins.Com, is being used as a marketing arm for private Dan Snyder ventures.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 21, 2009 11:00 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 21, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Everybody knows that Dan Snyder owns the NFL. Else they never would have given him his own franchise.

Rumor has it he bought them from Bernie Madoff on the cheap.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 21, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The NFL does not own redskins.com any more than they own Dan Snyder's jet, Johnny Rocket's, or Fed Ex field. The Redskins own redskins.dom

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 21, 2009 11:05 AM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
ummm, thanks for your insight TE.. But,
Here is the data from NetworkSolutions.Com WHOIS.. Which seems to indicate the NFL owns the Domain.. Danny may have some splaining to do.. Unless the NFL is sharing the Paul McCartney profits???

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 21, 2009 11:26 AM

Can you also find out who owns Dan's plane, Fed Ex field, and Johnny Rocket's? Maybe one of the Cooke boys?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 21, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

They did that when the rolled out the new NFL.com a couple of years ago. They standardized on one their website technology and what content should be on each team's site. Each team runs its own website.

I think Danny head the owner subcommittee on that due to his extensive media experience with his companies he sold for that 2+ billion

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 21, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I cannot imagine they would be pleased that their property, REdskins.Com, is being used as a marketing arm for private Dan Snyder ventures.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | June 21, 2009 11:00 AM

I meant to say, good work on digging that up. You're right, and I'm wrong. Often wrong, never in doubt.

I'm sure that Snyder's license to operate Redskins.com is a 600 page legal agreement which, among other things, gives him wide latitude to control the content. But, if you can find the contract and show me up again, I will gladly defer again to your superior research.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 21, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

" Often wrong, never in doubt."

Posted by: Talent_Evaluator

By Gawd, after lo these many years I believe the lad has come up with the perfect motto for all of us who post here.

It's frickin' poetry T_E... You should consider a career as an advertising genius, get paid to come up with brilliant slogans like:

"These Odor Eaters are REAL odor eaters!"


Posted by: TheCork | June 21, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"The Hangover" is the best movie of the summer.


If this is true, then it must be a sorry summer for movies.

I looked at my watch six times while watching the movie. (Yes: I started counting)

The dude with the beard was an interesting character, though. The tall teacher guy and dentist made me think, "Re-write, stat!"

The Mike Tyson tiger cameo seemed more of a reach more than anything, as did the homo-erotic Asian gangster and inept black drug dealer, Doug II.

In the class of R-rated comedies, "Knocked Up," "Forty Year Old Virgin," and "Superbad" are the tops with "The Hangover" way in the rear behind "Stepbrothers".

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Moe, when did you become the arbiter of what's good or funny? YOU didn't like it. That doesn't make it bad or unfunny. I enjoyed the movie and have even considered seeing it again. Others I know who have seen the movie also liked it. You're actually the first person I have heard have a beef with the film. It takes different strokes to move the world.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 21, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Hand, sir,

Moe looked at his watch six times, the equivalent of six thumbs down or -- what's the opposite of six stars? -- six black holes?

How many times did you and your friends look at their watch during Hangover?

I looked at my watch three times during Up, but I loved the movie. I checked my watch to see how much more I had to look forward to.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 21, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

don't always drink beer. But when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.

Posted by: learnedhand1 |


Whenever there isn't any beer in the house, I like Dos Equis too.

Posted by: TheCork | June 21, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if we're really lucky, the bankruptcy of Six Flags will bring down the rest of The Danny's empire, he will be forced to sell the Redskins and then we may finally get an owner who can make this team a success.

Posted by: nrjlh | June 21, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

"Dang! I've always believed Texas should be illegal,..."

Posted by: TheCork | June 19, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I dunno what that means, but Cork I pray one day you get an opportunity to turn a Texas Woman inside-out!

Posted by: Vicc |

You took it out of contextm Vicc. Someone wrote that someone was arrested at the Oregon border because of Texas. Thye meant "texes, i suspect. And..oh gees, explaining lame jokes to this crowd is like talking physics with my Schnauzer.

Posted by: TheCork | June 21, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Hand, Learn:

"Moe, when did you become the arbiter of what's good or funny?"


The 'arbiter of what's good or funny'?: It's not a job I'm appying for.

I saw a movie and I say what I think about it--what, is free speech out of style now, too?

Perhaps your response to my comments reveal something about your interests. Do you somehow need all people to agree on all things to feel comffortable about them?

I don't.

I could care less what most folks think about anything. But I'm always interested in how they justify their opinions--that's what makes for good jibba-jabba.

Some folks don't like to hear that other people feel differently about the things they like. They take it as a passive-aggressive insult when, in fact, the opposite case is true.

You liked 'The Hangover,' I didn't: BFD--let's move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The NFL Network has 'repayed last season, what, 3 times?

Perhaps they should give it a rest.

But what should be the summer viewing filler as The NFL's Greatest Games?

Suggestions:

The Best Monday Night Football Games from the 1990s.

Any game featuring Joe Montana lighting up the score board with Bill Walsh on the sideline.

The Ten Best NFC-AFC Championship games.

The Top Overtime Games.

The Air Coryell Chargers from the early 80s.

Whateva....

We offer these suggestions as it seems whenever I turn to the NFL Network, the Greatest Games is always something featuring the Dallas Cowboys v. (Fill in Team Name).

And we all know how dull that gets.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

You liked 'The Hangover,' I didn't: BFD--let's move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2009 9:32 PM

This from the guy who twice posted his views about the movie in response to posts by people who liked the film. That's the only reason I said anything. You are certainly entitled to express yourself and your opinion. I will say also that you are the master of irony.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 21, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

come on moe, how can you like Superbad and not the Hangover, i mean the dentist was McLovin, or at least his dad. of course of the three stooges you were never the funny one. i guess funny would be a reach for a guy looking for something to watch on NFL network.

Posted by: jpt1002 | June 21, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

When "The Hangover" is on DVD, I'll contribute to this conversation. Until then, the funniest bro-medies remain "The 40 Year-Old Virgin" and "Swingers".

I'm just waiting for the Transformers sequel and the G.I. Joe flick...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2009 5:38 AM | Report abuse

Two more days B for Transformers. I can't wait.

Posted by: jm220 | June 22, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Me neither, JM. It's gonna be LIKE THAT!

I've been unusually far from the Redskin loop over the weekend...any follow up noise about Portis in the last couple days?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2009 7:14 AM | Report abuse

The GI Joe flim looks like it is going to be heat as well.

Posted by: jm220 | June 22, 2009 7:17 AM | Report abuse

It does...some would disagree, though. I know my brother won't even bother because they cast a Wayans brother. But I'm willing to give it a chance, especially if Rachel Nichols is showing cleavage as usual!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

"I guess funny would be a reach for a guy looking for something to watch on NFL network."


Other than sports, I don't watch tv.

Seriously.

At work, I'm pleasantly alienated as folks talk passionately about 'American Idol,' 'Maury,' 'Dancing With the Stars,' and something called the FOX News Channel while I sit clueless and unconcerned.

TV is so empty to me, you see.

It was a nice insult, though. I have the NFL Network after 7 to get league news and post in a a football blog to crack bad jokes.

I guess that's what makes me a football fan.

This week, I reviewed Season 4 of 'The Wire.'

Again.

I've got 'Breaking Bad' and 'Taken' coming next (I'm a net-flix guy: I like to control what and when I view things I want to see without commercials or interruptions).

My vacation time is spent watching movies (new and old--I do like the old movies channel, though) and being the Master of Irony.

Welcome to my kingdom, fool!!!:

(INSERT image of frowning crowned black king on throne, two fine carmel-toned honeys on either side, JASNO in a jester suit in the foreground, and countless bloggas bowed down to a force they can't contend with known as Moe).

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Moe, you're in for a treat with Taken. Liam Neeson is bad ass in that flick. Over the weekend it was an endless loop of The Dark Knight and Live Free or Die Hard on HBO, so I've officially made myself sick of those movies. Dan in Real Life wasn't as good as expected in my book, and Baby Mama wasn't nearly as funny as I thought it would be.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

was out on friday, whud I miss??

Happy belated Fathers day to all whom it applies.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 22, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

I dunno, I thot 'Taken' was just a little too one-dimensional. It wasn't bad at all & I did enjoy it. But it totally reminded me of the Bronson vigelante flicks. It was borderline camp.

For that style of film I much preferred Gran Tourino (just don't watch the song at the end of the flick during the credits - almost ruined the whole picture.)

Pretty much agree on the others, Brownie.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 22, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | June 22, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Happy Monday!
Sarcasm off.

I forgot that Mike Tyson was an actor now; I think he’s been in 2 or 3 films by now, and is my new nominee for B.A. Baracus in the A-Team.
GI Joe flick looks like it is going to be awesome. 2nd transformers just looks like the typical Michael Bey “we don’t need a plot, just lots of explosions, FX, and Megan Fox” flick….but that’s just me.

Agree with Moe, NFL network really needs to diversify their “classics” that they rebroadcast….I was so bored yesterday that I broke out the 1986 season opener Redskins vs Eagles, with a 41-14 beatdown of Buddy Ryan in his debut as head coach, original commercials and all. Good times.

Less than 6 weeks till training camp! Less than 8 weeks til the first pre-season game!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 22, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

“we don’t need a plot, just lots of explosions, FX, and Megan Fox” -- you say that like it's a bad thing.

I think the GI Joe movie looks attrocious.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 22, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | June 22, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Going to see the Hangover tonight most likely. Pretty sure I am going to like it as it was directed by Todd Phillips who also directed one of my fave comedies of the last 15 years, Old School. Its all subjective anyway, but I will post my thoughts then....

Pretty sure I don't share Moes taste (although agree on SB/Knocked Up)b/c I really like the Watchmen (although I was a fan of the comic as well...) and he said it was the worst movie he has seen...or something like that....but like I said its all about taste.

I love being a new dad, but I don't like that it cuts into my movie going....still haven't seen Star Trek, Away We Go, UP, I Love You Man, That new Woody Allen/Larry David movie......oh well...


Thats what ovguide.com is for I guess...
Thats

Posted by: chrislarry | June 22, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think that CP's occasional dress-downs of Zorn are a GOOD thing?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 22, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

CL,

Do yourself a favor and put the kid to sleep and get Star Trek on DVD (when it comes out, of course). Great action flick that both caters to the Trekkies and pulls in the next generation of filmgoer that doesn't really know Star Trek. Excellent.

I tend not to watch bro-medies in the theater...just buy 'em on DVD since I already know I'll like 'em. Haven't been disappointed yet.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

No love for Pineapple Express?

Aging Rosie Perez gives me a chubby.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 22, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Damn Dlhaze, I was at that game - good times were had by all; the "Buddy" chant started somewhere in the third quarter; I believe Steve Cox also closed the first half with a 60 yard field goal.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 22, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I LOVED pineapple express.....good call Dik

Posted by: chrislarry | June 22, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Yeah John, Cox hit a 55 yarder.....funny watching the afro'd Randall Cunningham come in on the 3rd and longs as well. Buddy was something else.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 22, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

* Not a fan of Michael Bay (or Bey).
* NFL Does own the license of all 32 websites, but the team has 100% control on what they put on it, wheter it be for comunistic views or revenue generation. They are only obligated to have a link to all the 31 other teams.
* Hangover - Catch it in 8-10 months on Starz/Shotime/HBO and will come back here to judge when it is irrelevant.
* GI Joe looks like it has sold out.
* Moe, they haven't repeated the replays. They are just replaying all 17 weeks and the 4 weeks of playoffs. YEsterday was week 15. That Bmore and Pitt game was def a great game.
* Classic game's picked by the NEtwork sucked.
* RedDMV - Jadakiss album is CERTIFIED. Track #8 (amongst others). (Luther - I can only speak for....The things that I've been through....)

I should be finished for the morning.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Given that Talledega Nights is one of the reasons I frequent RI (I thought the 'First' posts were in relation to a Ricky Bobby philosophy), I quite appreciate the media reviews on our little blogspace. Keep it up.

And just for the record: The best movie ever is Kentucky Fried Movie. I snuck into that double feature (w/ Airplane) at the Flower Theater for a week straight.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 22, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

And just for the record: The best movie ever is Kentucky Fried Movie. I snuck into that double feature (w/ Airplane) at the Flower Theater for a week straight.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 22, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse


Catholic High School Girls in Trouble!

Kentucky Fried Movie is a definate must see. The sequel, Amazon Women on the Moon, not so much.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 22, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I watched Kentucky Fried Movie with my Grand Parents when I was about 13...talk about embarrassing.....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 22, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Amazon Women had one redeeming quality: Sybil Danning...one of the best Sci Fi pinups of all time!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 22, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

agreed, etrod!

Groove Tube is ok too, but it's no Kentucky Fried. Still, good hot dog & jogging scenes... he he he...

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 22, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I snuck into that double feature (w/ Airplane) at the Flower Theater for a week straight.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 22, 2009 9:43 AM

I am assuming you are refering to Flower Theater decades ago. In my childhood, it was a One Dollar Theater that would show new movies about 6 weeks into the intial premire week. Was it the same back then?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

lmao, cL!!

I also sat through that w/ my folks once. Very disturbing... but funny...

This kit comes equipt with... BIG JOHN SLADE former running back for the Kansas City Chiefs!!...

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 22, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

That's the place, 4th.

I learned to drink in that theatre. There & Langley Park Theatre...

Between those two I caught Smokey & the Bandit, Cannonball Run & Road Warrior on the big screen...

gosh I'm old... lmao!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 22, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I am old enough as well to Remember LP Theater as well. I can remember watching the solor purple. It closed when I was a preteen and that strip mall became indian-owned places.

The Theater became a furniture initially. Then iy became a 'Everything is $10 Store'. And let me tell you, everything was NOT $10 there.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I should reread what I write more often. I don't even know what I was saying.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I honestly thought A Fistful of Yen was every bit as good as Enter the Dragon.

"Must have totaw concentwashun" lmao!

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 22, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Sup RI?

What a boring weekend for watching any sports on TV. I hate it because it means that I'm going out much more over the next few months.

4th, I downloaded the Kells and Keri Hilton track - it's a club joint for real, but I didn't hear it once this weekend. He also has a song with OJ Da Juiceman. I'm assuming it's on the album as well, but it sounds like it'll have to grow on me. Maybe I'll really listen to it in a few weeks.

So Jada is platinum plus, eh? That's whats up! Dude has been slept on longer than hand me down mattresses. It's about time he's getting props. I like the whole album, but there hasn't been one album I didn't like, but then again, it's only his third.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 22, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

You ladies need to read Steinberg's blog about Portis and Zorn.
All Danny Boy's fault. So will Zorn get his walking papers in week 2 or 3?

Posted by: sheepherder | June 22, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Red - I certified it. I don't know if it is actually platnium. But if I certify it, the streets certify it.........

What happened to cut-n-paste sheepherder? It's all in the family (the Post).....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Whoa, what the hell? For those of you who frequent games, this is BULLSH*T!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/06/the_redskins_new_tailgating_po.html

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Herder - That was form last week. We talked about it further up on this post. I say no news. Portis makes the skins offense churns.

Also, I saw JReid is still on WPL as a regular during his time off while waiting for his wife to give birth. (So, I am not about to knock him or anyone else.....But, isn't it more of a summer vacation during slow Redskins news time vs. actually taking time off for his wife to drop?)

Back to what I was about to say. JReid predicted that Betts (BETTS) would get more carries because he thinks Zorn thinks that Portis will try to undermine him and he believe Betts can put out the same production. He also said that the players he spoke to had gripes about Portis being Portis and saying the old Regime let him do whatever he wanted (Not practicing and being laxed on rules in general - ala Riggo). And the new Regime wants him to participate more in practice and wants him to become a leader but Portis doesn't want to do that.

So, with that said, JReid just lost a little credibility with me....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

What the heck? What is the new tailgating policy attempting to accomplish?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 22, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Wow, designated tailgate areas….what a crock. Should be interesting to find out why this is happening. There are going to be a ton of people who get screwed because they didn’t get to the game early enough to get a spot. So now people who want to drink before the game will have to get there earlier than they normally might, which will mean they are even drunker heading into the game. I try to make it to at least one game per year……not as much of a priority now.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 22, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Red, you clearly haven't been paying attention to sports lately. The US had only a glimmer of hope on Sunday to advance to the semi's of the Confederations Cup. They had to beat Egypt and hope for an Italy loss for a 3-way tie in their group, then on top of that they had to (a) beat Egypt by a margin of 3 goals to win their tiebreaker of goal differential, (b) have their margin of victory over Egypt AND Italy's margin of loss combine to equal at least 6 goals, and (c) ensure that at the end of the day, they scored more goals than Italy in the entire tournament to win the 2nd tiebreaker.

The two games started within 5 minutes of each other. And as the games started and progressed, Egypt had the upper hand to finish 2nd in the group by virtue of having a head-to-head win against Italy, then the US went ahead 1-0 and Italy took control of 2nd place, then Brazil took the lead on Italy to put Egypt back in control, then Brazil poured in two more goals for 3-0 lead giving the US faint hope, then the US seized its opportunity by improbably throwing everything they had at the net, scoring 2 more goals in seven minutes in the 2nd half.

US 3-0 Egypt
Brazil 3-0 Italy

And as the minutes wound down, a single goal by Italy or Egypt would have dashed the US's hopes. Chance after chance, balls being cleared off the goal lines, shots just missing the crossbar, man it was riveting to watch. But the scores held. And the US got just what it needed. Beat Egypt by 3, aggregate +/- of +6 over Italy, and beat out Italy with total goals scored by +1. Absolutely shocking day. I know you were watching too, just aren't ready to admit it yet.

Now the US gets the chance at being embarrassed on Wednesday against Spain, clearly IMO, the best team in the world. But then again, there's always that glimmer of hope.

Posted by: psps23 | June 22, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

DLHaze, the way I understood it, it doesn't matter when you get there...you can only tailgate toward the back of the lot. Folks up front near the stadium aren't allowed anymore. I don't know where the cut-off is, but it's kinda lame to try and regulate who can tailgate. You're not going to Redskins games to see winning football; the least you can do is let the season ticket holders get sh*tfaced so they can think they're seeing a winner!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

PSP - Let's be honest - That happens once a lifetime......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

But that's why we watch the games, isn't it?

Posted by: psps23 | June 22, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Happy Father's Day?

"Happy belated Fathers day to all whom it applies..."

I spent Father's Day reviewing the paternity tests I had performed to make sure my kids were, well, my kids.

When the first one was born, I saw the straight nose, thin lips, blonde hair, and told my wife, "That baby don't look like me."

She responded that some black children are so white looking when they're born that any black father would question.

I was upset about all of this until after the child's first birthday, the wife got a promotion, pay raise, and all expenses paid for trip to Mexico...

...with her boss.

I stayed home and took care of my kid.

I have another daughter who looks just like my best friend, right down to the borrowing money and weed habit.

At her birth, the wife said, "Any woman would be proud to have his child, he's a handsome man with a big you-know-what."

"And I'm proud," she said.

Needless to say, the paternity results were inconclusive and the wife is angry that I doubt that my kids are, well, my kids.

"What," she said while going through my cell to see who I'd been calling. "You don't trust me?"

So Father's Day ain't all that cool around here.

In some houses, dudes get cards, dinner, and treated like a king.

Me?: I took the lawnmower I got for Father's Day out into the lawn and did yard work while my kids watched.

And I didn't mind that they watched, because, well, they are my kids.

No matter what the tests say.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

moe, funny stuff, given that it raining yet again, for about the 100th straight day, I needed something to have a laugh at....

dice is on the dl....we'll trade him to you for a used lawn-mower...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 22, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Moe, are your kids named Earl Jr and Dodge?

Brownie, I think it will matter what time you get there if the spots where you can tailgate are limited. Most folks I know are pretty serious about throwing more than a few back before the game starts, and it seems like the “last few rows” in each section does not work out to much space, so the early bird will be the only one who gets the beer. Probably just another way for the Danny to heard people into the game to pay $9 per beer instead of drinking their own beer in the lot……cooler searches and surcharges/taxes will surely be next…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 22, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

beantown

"...dice is on the dl...."


You still have Penny and Bucholz.

And who's this kid 'Bard'-is that his name?-that I've heard about?

The NL East cellars dwellers are crushing us. I used to look forward to interleague.

The Josh Johnson kid the Marlins have is one of the best pitchers in the league--he's a high 90s thrower with a devastating change up.

Glad you like the post. Some folks take them seriously.

I don't know why.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

What do we want?
New Thread
When do we want it?
Now!

new thread -- new thread -- new thread
new thread -- new thread -- new thread
new thread -- new thread -- new thread
new thread -- new thread -- new thread

come on WaPo

P.S.
Silly funny movies by Broken Lizard
Super Troopers - Yes
Club Dread - No
Beerfest - Yes

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 22, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Well...I guess it empowers the soccer world more. But will it do anything for the sport in the US longterm? No.

But, that was a great feat by the US of A. Congrats to them. And you heard it here 1st. There winning tommorow against the best team in the World......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 22, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The Josh Johnson kid the Marlins have is one of the best pitchers in the league--he's a high 90s thrower with a devastating change up.

Moe, when is his contract up? I'm sure he'll be in pinstripes then..

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 22, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Brownie, I think it will matter what time you get there if the spots where you can tailgate are limited. Most folks I know are pretty serious about throwing more than a few back before the game starts, and it seems like the “last few rows” in each section does not work out to much space, so the early bird will be the only one who gets the beer.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 22, 2009 11:49 AM

I could be wrong, but isn't there parking permits and what not? I don't know if it applies to a certain spot or not, but I'm pretty sure it DOES apply to what section you park in. And I think this restriction has to do with what lot you're in and not the specific spots. But I get your point.

But Danny might get a few suckers to come in and overpay, but unless he puts flashlight cops out there in the lot, I'll still be drinking out in the open. And if he doesn't like it, I'll drink in the car. And if he doesn't like that, I'll drink at that huge church across the street. You see my point...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

noonefromtampa

Actually, the Marlins scare me quite abit.

They'll get a new stadium open the same year Johnson's contract is done--2011.

Given the way that team finds talent, rebuilds, and makes a World Series run, money would make them a forse in MLB.

Granted: The Rays and Marlins have tons of talented young players, and are good without a lot money thrown around.

Did you read that, Brian Cashman?

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I guess it might work out okay, but I am just going on my own observation that at least 75% of the people in the parking lot are partying, and it doesn’t sound like they are making that much room to accommodate. But heck, I could be wrong too. Maybe they did a survey and found that a much smaller % of folks are tailgating….either way I am sure that the Danny has dollar signs behind his reasoning.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 22, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I heard we had a baseball team called the Rays down here but I think they play their home games in Russia, St. Petersburg of all places...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 22, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I love being a new dad, but I don't like that it cuts into my movie going....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 22, 2009 9:11 AM

CL, In a few years, the only movies you will be able to discuss are G rated Pixar/Disney animations. And the most interesting discussion you will have will be with your daughter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 22, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Id say,

Repo Man
Dr. Strangelove
The Cars That Ate Paris
Naked Guns
Airplanes
Eraserhead
King of Hearts

Posted by: frak | June 22, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

And Monty Pythons...Oh, and Brazil!!

Posted by: frak | June 22, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Marx Brotherers...the dirty bastidges..

Posted by: frak | June 22, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

can we please get another story up ...at lt least lacanfoa or wutever had constant articals up...who cares about six-flags anymore!!!

Posted by: lilchenzo26 | June 22, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

can we please get another story up ...at lt least lacanfoa or wutever had constant articals up...who cares about six-flags anymore!!!

Posted by: lilchenzo26 | June 22, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

"Tailgating is not permitted in the Platinum lots"..

Mighty tenor Lucianno Pave-a-Rotty sings, "F**********CK YOOO, F**************CK YOOOOO, F*************************************CK!!!...YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

Posted by: frak | June 22, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

The chant starts

What do we want?
New Thread
When do we want it?
Now!

new thread -- new thread -- new thread
new thread -- new thread -- new thread
new thread -- new thread -- new thread
new thread -- new thread -- new thread

come on WaPo

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 22, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 22, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Anything that raises the price of Six Flags stock is ok with me!! Do what you gotta do, Danny boy.

Posted by: The_Robskins | June 23, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

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