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Redskins Pass on Local Pass Rusher

The Redskins desperately need pass rushers, particularly young, relatively cheap talents. That's no secret, and with just four draft picks in April and many holes to fill, you'd expect them to be exploring any and every possible option.

Yesterday Cameron Wake, a stud CFL defensive end who is from Beltsville and played at DeMatha High School, signed with Miami (and Bill Parcells) for a $ 1 million bonus and a max of about $5 million over four years (the biggest contract ever for someone jumping from the CFL).

Wake, a Penn State product and the Post's 1999 Prep Defensive Player of the Year (he was known as Derek Wake at the time), posted 39 sacks in two CFL seasons after going un-drafted in 2005, and was drawing massive interest around the league. But none, it seems, came from his hometown team.

No one around Redskins Park, in terms of coaches, can remember hearing Wake's name come up in a personnel meeting or seeing him here for a workout. But Parcells, who knows a little somethin' somethin' about pass rushers, had two scouts bird-dogging Wake through the CFL season and made a strong push to land him. He'll likely switch to outside linebacker in the NFL.

According to published reports, the Dolphins beat out seven other teams that put in contract offers. About 12 teams had him work out and at least 17 expressed interest, to some degree. The Redskins apparently were not among them, although attempts to contact Vinny Cerrato the past two days have been unsuccessful.

Wake, at 6-3, 240 pounds, is something of a tweener, and got a lot of interest from teams that use a 3-4 defense, like Miami. Teams like the Colts and Vikings, already deep with pass rushers, were in the hunt until the very end. Maybe the kid is a bust at this level, but given that he's not yet 26 and taking into account the plight of Washington's pass rush, he'd seem to be the kind of player the Redskins would be trying to land.

It looks like Wake could line up opposite Joey Porter (who placed in the top three in sacks) in Miami next season, and it will be very interesting to see how the kid develops. For years the Redskins have passed on outstanding local talent - Gaither, Merriman, Royal, off the top of my head - and while this kid might never be in that class, it's hard to imagine him not being able to beat out Chris Wilson or Rob Jackson for a roster spot, at the very least, and not being a strong-side replacement for Marcus Washington on passing downs.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 20, 2009; 3:31 PM ET
 
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Comments

Even on Obama's FIRST day as president, JLa figures out how to twist a post around to make the FO look bad...

...give it a rest, dude; it's a new era for the U.S.!

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

There's no excuse for the Redskins not to have any interest in someone like that....he's had almost as many sacks the last 2 years as the whole stinking Redskins defense has. The Skins futility in the sack department is a GLARING WEAKNESS...to not at least pursue someone like him is ridiculous! I hope they have some awesome plan on going in to free agency, because with only 4 picks in the draft, it doesn't look promising...and trading back just puts you further away from TOP TALENT!!!!!! Just more depressing news....par for the course!

Posted by: frmi | January 20, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"No one around Redskins Park, in terms of coaches, can remember hearing Wake's name come up in a personnel meeting or seeing him here for a workout."

Wow....

Posted by: skinsfaninflorida | January 20, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

We've already got 3 young DEs on the roster (Buzbee, Wilson, Jackson) plus Carter, Evans and Taylor.

We've already got "tweener" guys, that we're trying to fit into our scheme.

So why should the FO drool over a CFL product who probably fits best into a 3-4? Because he's "local"???

Great logic...

I wonder how many updates we're gonna get from JLa ripping the FO for FAs that the Skins decided NOT to look at...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Ahmmm didn't they already try that with Chris Wilson who is also from the CFL? And the dead horse that continues to be beaten senseless of the 4-3 versue 3-4. This guy sounds like a 3-4 linebacker now doesn't he? Do you think the Redskins can get Julius Peppers Jason? Someone who has categorically stated that he prefers the 3-4 even though he has been successful in the 4-3? And this guy would be even worst.

Instead of Vinnie why not call Blache and ask for his opinion FIRST. Ask him about converting that guy or a Chris Wilson. We both know he won't mince words he will say:

HE CAN'T STOP THE RUN good luck Bill Parcells.

Posted by: periculum | January 20, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I would've rather not had an update.


Dude was in the CFL.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

We don't need any more light weight defensive players.

Thanks for inquiring and trying to make news out of nothing though. Once I read the news blurb on PFT.com I figured you'd come around to it and tie the redskins in it.

It amazes me that Vinny was unreachable on an MLK Holiday and the day of the inaguaration. He really has to go........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 20, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

yeah strange post here, last thing we need is another tweener, whether we even wanted to go 3-4 or not we got plenty of tweeners already...just say no to speedy tweeners!

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 20, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone surprised at the ineptitude of the FO? Don't be, considering talks of trading Los, because I'm am prepared for the dumbest decisions all season long.....

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 20, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a 3-4 backer to me. If the Skins had signed him, they would've been criticized for spending 5 million on a CFL guy when they've already got Wilson and Jackson to fill that role as a young pass rush type. Either way, you lose.

Stephon Heyer would be the Walter Jones of the CFL, so this Wake kid is running by UPS drivers and pizza delivery guys up there...

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 20, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Typical moronic post from La Canfora. Can't figure out why a top 10 defense that DOESN'T run a 4-3 would pass on a guy overlooked by EVERY other NFL team for 4 years who, at best, is a linebacker prospect in a 3-4. Isn't a "stud CFL defensive end" kinda like a "CBA wunderkind", a "Division III diva", or a "minor league all-star"? Things must be REAL slow around Redskin Park, huh Jason?

Posted by: outsider6 | January 20, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"According to published reports, the Dolphins beat out seven other teams that put in contract offers. About 12 teams had him work out"

So some teams had him in for a workout and were so impressed that they didn't bother to offer him a contract?

"after going un-drafted in 2005"

"and got a lot of interest from teams that use a 3-4 defense"

not sure what else needs to be said....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"not sure what else needs to be said....

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

how about :

"attempts to contact Vinny Cerrato the past two days have been unsuccessful."

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

JLA up to bat... swing and a miss!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 20, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

i appreciate the local flavor of this even though I agree somewhat with all of the comments above...except the Obama thing. Not sure what that has to do with JLa's post. But I guess that's something I'm going to have to get used to.

Posted by: trolly_time | January 20, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The post is just a cheap shot a vinny. JLC, save your energy, vinny will give you plenty of real opportunties to slam him in the next few months.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 20, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"it's hard to imagine him not being able to beat out Chris Wilson or Rob Jackson for a roster spot"

I guess I'm not sure how he can make this type of statement, without EVER having seen this cat play in the NFL?? How do you do that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 20, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Snyder steps up to the plate. Wait, he cant see over the mound. He calls #13 Cerrato to boost him onto his shoulders. Here's the pitch... OOHHH!!! The ball hits Cerrato in the left eye ball! THats gota hurt!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 20, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins apparently were not among them, although attempts to contact Vinny Cerrato the past two days have been unsuccessful."

Gee...I wonder why vinny wasn't running to pick up that call?

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 20, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Okay, here's how this is a bad thing. Next fall, when Jason Taylor goes down, Vinnie trades the Tuna a third and a seventh from the 2010 draft to get the boy. That's all I can figure. Otherwise, where's the beef?

We're going to read this a lot from Jasno -- anyone Tuna or Scott Pioli signs, and Vinnie passes on, is a sure Pro-Bowler.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 20, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The roster is full of small pass rushers. Why would we get him? He's only a fit for a 3-4 defense.

Posted by: dcwun | January 20, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, you wrote on the previous thread that Obama was so nervous he flubbed his lines....not the case. Chief Justice John Roberts who was swearing him in flubbed HIS lines. Obama noticed this and nodded at Roberts waiting for him to repeat the lines correctly.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 20, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Not a bad move by the FO passing on this dude. It's nice that he's a local product but he would not fit in a 4-3.

If the Skins had signed this dude the tone of the post would have been something along the lines of "The front office brought in another 240lb defensive end. Why?"

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

'"attempts to contact Vinny Cerrato the past two days have been unsuccessful.'

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 20, 2009"

I am sure he is busy looking at his framed photo of the Snyder 'rents. Or they were all let go early for the inauguration by Dan-O.

Probably NOT THE DAY for it but I would much rather hear what Blache has to say. Who cares what Vinnie or Scott Campbell (probably related to scramblebrain1975) has to say?

Posted by: periculum | January 20, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

+++...give it a rest, dude; it's a new era for the U.S.!

Posted by: p1funk+++

For the U.S., yes. For Redskin Park, same Shiite, different day.

Keep shovelin' JLC...Don't let up on the George Bush of NFL EVPs. If you do, then the terrorists have won...

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Not surprised we didn't show interest in the guy since he doesn't really fit our scheme. We'll wait and see what he does in Miami.

Hopefully we can address the pass rush through the draft and free agency this year...but I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: mclachlan_doug | January 20, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

++++I wonder how many updates we're gonna get from JLa ripping the FO for FAs that the Skins decided NOT to look at...

Posted by: p1funk ++++

Depends on how many they overlook, one supposes. How many good ones did they NOT overlook and sign last year?

Nice logic.

Stop shooting the messenger. He's not the one screwing up the ballclub, he's just a guy writing about those that do.

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

he's just a guy writing about those that do.

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009 4:48 PM

even when they don't.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 20, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

+++I would've rather not had an update.

Dude was in the CFL.

Posted by: TheTruth11 +++

So was Norman Einstein's favorite QB in the CFL.

Sorry you are disappointed with the update. Call 911 and report the guy holding the gun to your head forcing you to read it.

And YOU call ME and Idiot? Sheesh.

As always, we kid with love.

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Stop shooting the messenger. He's not the one screwing up the ballclub, he's just a guy writing about those that do.

so not signing a guy who was overlooked by the rest of the league for 3 years and doesn't fit our defensive scheme is "screwing up the ballclub".

another in a long line of awful reports from J Ca Ca.

DO YOU HAVE NO SHAME J CA CA?

Posted by: IHateJLC | January 20, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

+++It amazes me that Vinny was unreachable on an MLK Holiday and the day of the inaguaration. He really has to go........

Posted by: 4thFloor+++

Wow, he really ought to get himself one of them new-fangled cellular phones.

Oh wait, I'm SURE Vinny turns off his Cell Phone on MLK's birthday.

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

another in a long line of awful reports from J Ca Ca.

Posted by: IHateJLC | January 20, 2009 4:52 PM

But just the sort of thing that gets Cork all a'twitter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 20, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

++++he's just a guy writing about those that do.

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009 4:48 PM

even when they don't.

Posted by: talent_evaluator+++


Refresh my memory t_e....when was the last time the FO wasn't screwing up the team?

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Refresh my memory t_e....when was the last time the FO wasn't screwing up the team?

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009 4:55 PM |

Today when they didn't hire this guy they don't need.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 20, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

+++so not signing a guy who was overlooked by the rest of the league for 3 years and doesn't fit our defensive scheme is "screwing up the ballclub".

another in a long line of awful reports from J Ca Ca.

DO YOU HAVE NO SHAME J CA CA?

Posted by: IHateJLC+++

You're right. Parcells is a ninny. Vinny can outfox him eight days a week and twice on Sundays.

The Redskins are right sticking with the three young DEs who haven't done doodly and not even considering a situational pass rusher who led the CFL.

Obviously he's not a starting DE for the skins, but a rushbacker for a defensve that desperately need a pass rush. Nah, don't need one of them.


Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"Obviously he's not a starting DE for the skins, but a rushbacker for a defensve that desperately need a pass rush. Nah, don't need one of them.

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009"

Again you beg the obvious, and bitterly cold as the weather fact: What is the difference between an HB Blades and a Rob Jackson, Chris Wilson, or a Buzbee? What about a bruiser like Washington?

In the 4-3 the primary job is STOP THE RUN. First and foremost. First rule of thumb (see George Allen, Richie Petitbone et al for reference).

What good is a pass rushing end or line backer like this guy or Wilson if the QB calls a draw and it ends up as a 65 yard run to the end zone?

That didn't happen this year because people like that were not in the line up.

Posted by: periculum | January 20, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Don't need him,


We have a 40 year old, $8 million a year diva end who is a poor man's Rock. Paging Phillip Daniels!


Posted by: duh2mag | January 20, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

whateves.................skins are mad boring..

Caps baby!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 20, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Turns out that Vinny wasn't the only ninny who overlooked this gem. Before he went to the CFL, the Giants cut him. Those guys just don't know talent up in the Big Apple, do they?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 20, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Obviously he's not a starting DE for the skins, but a rushbacker for a defensve that desperately need a pass rush. Nah, don't need one of them.

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009"

Clearly they would be better off signing a Bart Scott (or any of the 3 Ravens LBs) as they definitely know how to STOP THE RUN. Bart Scott had around 13 sacks last year (much fewer this year) but it does appear as if he is capable of rushing the passer. He has played in the NFL since 2002 is only 28 and HE KNOWS HOW TO STOP THE RUN.

Posted by: periculum | January 20, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

You know, Jasno only reported half the bad news in this post. It turns out that Miami also signed safety Ethan Kilmer. Kilmer is not only a safety but he's also spent time learning to be a WR and a corner, so he's really versatile. He was a sixth round pick of Cincinnati, got a pick-6 off Drew Brees, but was released with an injury settlement.

Look, with Doughty's future uncertain and given our need at WR, we should have gotten this guy in here. Instead, Parcells was eating Vinny's lunch again.

So, Vinny that's two strikes. One more and we're going to turn you over to Cork.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 20, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I see WAPO is blocking me

Posted by: drewkinnear | January 20, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I see WAPO is blocking me

Posted by: drewkinnear | January 20, 2009 5:47 PM

Call me crazy, but I'm thinking that if they were blocking you, you couldn't get this post up here. Actually, I'm calling you crazy. You need to take medicine for paranoia. Go to the CVS and tell the pharmacist your problem and see what they can sell you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 20, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

It just goes to show you the Skins does not
use all the resources to look for talent.
It appears Management looks to free agency
& the draft. They should be checking
out all facets of the football industry,
ie. arena & semi-, you never know, when
you find that diamond in the rough.

Posted by: madalao | January 20, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

It just goes to show you the Skins does not
use all the resources to look for talent.
It appears Management looks to free agency
& the draft. They should be checking
out all facets of the football industry,
ie. arena & semi-, you never know, when
you find that diamond in the rough.

Posted by: madalao | January 20, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse


They did find that diamond in the rough, his name is Leigh Torrence and they cut him.

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 20, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

++++I wonder how many updates we're gonna get from JLa ripping the FO for FAs that the Skins decided NOT to look at...

Posted by: p1funk ++++

Depends on how many they overlook, one supposes. How many good ones did they NOT overlook and sign last year?

Nice logic.

Stop shooting the messenger. He's not the one screwing up the ballclub, he's just a guy writing about those that do.

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

???

OK, Mrs. LaCanfora. I'll take it easier on your boy next time around.

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

ie. arena & semi-, you never know, when
you find that diamond in the rough.

Posted by: madalao | January 20, 2009 6:19 PM

Can you name some "diamonds in the rough" that came out of arena or semi? There was "He Hate Me" but he wasn't really a diamond -- more like a zircon or marcasite. I'm looking for the name of a real diamond. Someone like Lawrence Taylor. Did he play arena or semi?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 20, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Okay, here's an arena diamond: Kurt Warner. And chances are the 'Skins are scouting the Arena league because Snyder owns the rights to put a franchise in Washington. Ouch.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 20, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

t_e, I've let a lot of your stuff slide, but I will not sit here and let you slander my man He Hate Me like that. First of all, the dude gave me the fantasy football team name I will use forever, He Nate Me. #B, he played in the XFL, which while cartoonish was professional fubbal that was not played in an arena.

And IV, I give you Kurt Warner and his godawful wife, who came up through the grocery leagues and biplane barnstorming, and like Johnny Cash sang, was an old lump of coal who turned into a diamond someday, or something. And then turned back into a lump of coal. And then turned back into a diamond.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 20, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Trying to figure out if madalao's 6:19 was intentionally poetic in form and meter or if that was some kind of happy keyboarding accident. It's beautiful, whatever the hell it is.

Also, just since it's been a while, HAIL TO THE REDSKINS. HAIL VICTORY. Seriously.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 20, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

This just in:

Rumor that SNYDER spoke with MIKE SHANAHAN in PUERTO RICO.

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 20, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

This just in:

Rumor that SNYDER spoke with MIKE SHANAHAN in PUERTO RICO.

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 20, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

This just in:

Rumor that SNYDER spoke with MIKE SHANAHAN in PUERTO RICO.

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 20, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

This just in:

Rumor that SNYDER spoke with MIKE SHANAHAN in PUERTO RICO.

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 20, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

This just in:

Rumor that SNYDER spoke with MIKE SHANAHAN in PUERTO RICO.

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 20, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

This just in:

Rumor that SNYDER spoke with MIKE SHANAHAN in PUERTO RICO.

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 20, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey, SonnyFan, I wonder if you've heard any mildly interesting rumors lately?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 20, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Have to agree that it sounds like Jason answered his own question: Wake is a 3-4 rush linebacker.

He's a fit for Miami or the Colts. Funny that just last year we heard all sorts of grief for passing on Clemson DE Philip Merling, who turns out to be a poor fit for the 4-3 as well. Merling has turned out to be a pretty good stay-at-home end in the Dolphin 3-4, however. Only 1 sack last year, but pass rush isn't his job.

Jared Gaither seems to have worked out pretty well for the Ravens, who gave up what, a third-rounder? Not a bad move to replace Ogden. The Skins have done well with players like Stephon Heyer, though. You have to give them some credit.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 20, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Senior Bowl Observation

Moe likes what he saw in Macho Harris-VaTech.

The kid is 6'0" 190 lbs. Excellent strength and technique.

The guy has great quickness.

On one drill, he got a great jam on a kid and maintained position enough to make a play on the ball when it came his way.

Mike Mayock says his issue is playing off a receiver while in zone coverage. But that it's a skill that can be learned.

He looks like he could start on day 1. His starting or playing with Hall would be a great thing to see as he seems like the same kind of risk-taking, int-getting corner the vet is.

He's a Frank Beamer kid, so you know he'll be a strong special teamer.

I can't say where he'll fall, but he looks like a high second rounder.

Just the pick we don't have.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Jasno's pulling on straws.

The Skins pass on a CFL player...?

So....

Most of us pass on the CFL.

The rest of us pass on the right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

For years the Redskins have passed on outstanding local talent - Gaither, Merriman, Royal

Ok gaither is good but is he Orlando Pace? I would say no, and the skins passed on him cuz they didn't have a 4th from trading duckett (terrible terrible trade) Merriman is an outside backer and I believe that LaVar was still in the good graces of management at the time so Los was the need pick at the time. Eddie Royal is 5"10 you giant bottle of Massengil JLC!!!!! You would rip the redskins for drafting a small WR if they took him. i swear hes always turning everything into a slam of the front office when there is a myriad of actual events that are so so so bad.

Posted by: drewkinnear | January 20, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

sonnyfan

Dan Snyder yaking with Mike Shanahan in Puerto Rico doesn't bother me.

Send a post when you catch him trading phone numbers with Larry Craig in an airport bathroom.

Then you'd only confirm suspicions we don't need to go in to.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

JLC hangs out with Larry Craig in airport bathrooms

Posted by: drewkinnear | January 20, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

The rest of us pass on the right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2009 7:36 PM
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I only pass on the right when someone is being extremely oafish and has no one ahead of them. (Maryland drivers, my friends call them...I don't get too much of that in Ohio.)
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 20, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else see this item?

Senior Bowl: Trench warfare with Mack, Raji

Everyone is talking about Boston College's B.J. Raji, and for good reason. Raji measured 6 ½ feet today and weighed 334 pounds. He's built like an oak stump, but he has excellent quickness for a guy that size. He typically had his way with offensive linemen today. The only guy who was able to handle Raji was Cal center Alex Mack, who was easily the best offensive linemen on the North squad and who was considerably better than Oregon's Max Unger, whom many publications have rated higher than Mack. Mack got the better of Raji during team drills, at one point standing him up and driving him backward.

I'm still liking the idea of trading down and picking Mack. But more of this and I suppose we won't get him if we trade down.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 20, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"I'm still liking the idea of trading down and picking Mack. But more of this and I suppose we won't get him if we trade down.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 20, 2009"

You still need a 1st round tackle. And you need a guard. You can't depend on Rhinehart making the grade. Jansen is done. Heyer is a backup. This is the 3rd serious injury for Samuels.

Posted by: periculum | January 20, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Remember, a good OL makes just about any decent QB look like all-pro. Examples: Mark Rypien, Jay Schroeder, Joe Theisman, Bill Kilmer. Makes good quarterbacks overnight superstars: Doug Williams.

Top 10 Best Season By Backup Quarterbacks:
#5 - Doug Williams - 1987 Washington Redskins
11.17.08, 08:41 PM EST
7 of 11
‹‹ #6 - Jeff Hostetler - 1990 New York Giants #4 - Jim Plunkett - 1980 Oakland Raiders ››

Redskins 1987 Record Without Williams As Starter: 9-4

Redskins 1987 Record With Williams As Starter: 3-2

Posted by: periculum | January 20, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

You still need a 1st round tackle. And you need a guard. You can't depend on Rhinehart making the grade. Jansen is done. Heyer is a backup. This is the 3rd serious injury for Samuels.

Posted by: periculum | January 20, 2009 8:18 PM
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I've been mentioning that for months, myself, wrt Samuels...we HOPE he comes back as the Samuels of old, but there are no guarantees.

And just because we pick an O.T. in the first round, that doesn't make him 1st round quality...there are 4 franchise quality O.T.s in the draft. If they're taken before our pick, I'd rather have Mack than Britton, and such as. (No knock on Britton, but the O.T.s that will be drafted in the later rounds on the first day aren't that much of a dropoff from him, prospect-wise.)

Finally, I believe Mack could play at guard for us until we need him at center.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 20, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"it's hard to imagine him not being able to beat out Chris Wilson or Rob Jackson for a roster spot, at the very least"

Really? It's hard to imagine that a guy that has some sacks in a third rate football league couldn't beat out some guys already here? It's pretty easy for me to imagine you d-bag. Usually I give you a pass Jasno because you author the blog but not this time. You're an a$$.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

The rest of us pass on the right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2009 7:36 PM
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I only pass on the right when someone is being extremely oafish and has no one ahead of them. (Maryland drivers, my friends call them...I don't get too much of that in Ohio.)
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 20, 2009 8:02 PM |

We have plenty of assinine drivers here in Ohio.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

if we'd have signed him, we would have blasted Vinnie, but since we didn't and Parcells did it was genious

Posted by: rickyroge | January 20, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

...if we'd have signed him, we would have blasted Vinnie, but since we didn't and Parcells did it was genious

Posted by: rickyroge | January 20, 2009 8:38 PM
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Since Parcells did it, it might be a pretty good move. B.P. has a good track record.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 20, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe:

Lol - Hilarious post.

Don't be surprised, even if the Skins do not hire Shanahan, if you find out someday that Dannyboy tried to get him. A pretty good source says he just tried.

Too bad. I think Zorn is the right coach for this team, and he will never get a fair shot here.

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 20, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Stop shooting the messenger. He's not the one screwing up the ballclub, he's just a guy writing about those that do.

Posted by: TheCork | January 20, 2009 4:48 PM |
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Good to see Corksucker, JLC's favorite TOOL, can defend even THIS pathetic post.

As if the FO's ineptitude is a universal blanket for poor writing.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 20, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

If you question any of JLC's stuff you immediately get called a Snyder lover.

I don't like Snyder or JLC, Snyder less.

Posted by: SonnyFan | January 20, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

We have plenty of assinine drivers here in Ohio.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2009 8:38 PM
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Believe me, I know that. I actually walk to work every day. But it's a different kind of assinity.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 20, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Corksucker... absolutely hysterical. Reminds me of Johnny Dangerously

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm really starting to feel that if B J Raji is there at #13, the Skins should pick him. From Todd McShay

On Monday, we said that Boston College DT B.J. Raji is the clear front-runner to emerge as the top prospect at lineman -- defensive or offensive -- in his class by the time we leave Mobile. After this morning's practice, we now feel that he is one of the top two or three prospects here regardless of position. Raji continues to showcase his rare blend of size, burst and agility, and he manhandled highly touted Oregon C Max Unger on more than one occasion. In fact, he got under Unger's pads, drove him back and then put him on his back on one snap during one-on-one pass-rushing drills.

Posted by: TWISI | January 20, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

John Keim
WarpathInsiders.com
Jan 20, 2009
Talked to a longtime GM this week and this was what he thought about the Redskins:
...Carlos Rogers, if traded, would only fetch, at best, a second-round pick -- and only if the team he's traded to
can sign him first.
...He likes Rogers, and was interested in him coming out of college. But the problem he had then is one he has
now; Rogers does not make a lot of great athletic plays. He's tough, etc., but the lack of those plays is
concerning. Still, that didn't stop him from quizzing me about Rogers so there clearly is still interest.
...The Redskins need lots of help along the line, but that's no surprise.
...He said the Redskins were wise to keep Jim Zorn for another year if for no other reason than to fully help Jason
Campbell develop. He compared Campbell to Eli Manning as two guys who you wondered about for a while. He
doesn't think Campbell is done developing.
...He wouldn't touch DeAngelo Hall with a "10-foot pole." Could not have been more adamant about this one.
...And for those wanting pending free agent DT Albert Haynesworth, he wouldn't touch him, either.
...In both cases it was a question of character. In his mind, at this stage, you are who you are. Joe Gibbs used to
say if a guy has been a certain way for a while, what makes you think he can change them? This GM shared that
philosophy. Says both players were on good behavior because they were playing for a contract.
...He still likes Clinton Portis, but worries about how much longer he'll last. But he does like the pairing with Ladell
Betts.

Posted by: TWISI | January 20, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

In fact, he got under Unger's pads, drove him back and then put him on his back on one snap during one-on-one pass-rushing drills.

Posted by: TWISI | January 20, 2009 9:42 PM
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Against Alex Mack, it was just the same, except the opposite.

Any opinions there? We can't put our same old O.L. guys out there again next year, and expect a better result. And if we try, we can expect more injuries to our qb, rb, and such as.

Get it?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 20, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

ifthethunderdontgetya are you sure it was Raji and not Brace. I was watching the NFLN show and noticed Mack doing that to Brace but I didn't see him do that to Raji.

Posted by: TWISI | January 20, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

ifthethunderdontgetya are you sure it was Raji and not Brace. I was watching the NFLN show and noticed Mack doing that to Brace but I didn't see him do that to Raji.

Posted by: TWISI | January 20, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse
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I was busy working my behind off for my beloved corporate employer, except for the one brief moment when I read that blurb I posted above.

I'm trying to find more corroboration (that's what reporters do, isn't it?), but mostly everything I can find looks like a repeat from the same source.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 20, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

For years the Redskins have passed on outstanding local talent - Gaither, Merriman, Royal

Ok gaither is good but is he Orlando Pace? I would say no, and the skins passed on him cuz they didn't have a 4th from trading duckett (terrible terrible trade) Merriman is an outside backer and I believe that LaVar was still in the good graces of management at the time so Los was the need pick at the time. Eddie Royal is 5"10 you giant bottle of Massengil JLC!!!!! You would rip the redskins for drafting a small WR if they took him. i swear hes always turning everything into a slam of the front office when there is a myriad of actual events that are so so so bad.

Posted by: drewkinnear | January 20, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

No kidding...it's funny how JLa is already categorizing Wake as "outstanding local talent".

So "outstanding" that he couldn't get a gig in the NFL and plied his trade in the CFL. So "outstanding" that the best he could fetch was a 4year deal w/ $1mill bonus.

And last I checked we were trying to sign Hall. We gave Marcus Mason some run. We've still got Heyer on the roster. We've been overpaying Springs for the last 2 years...yeah, we just have a policy of passing over local talent...

It's amazing how JLa will overstate a case just to make the Skins brass look bad...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Wake would play at WLB for the Skins. He's too small to play SLB and wanted starter money. The Skins already have McIntosh as the starting WLB, so it's understandable that they didn't waste any time working out a player for which they did not have an open roster spot...

Posted by: siris | January 20, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Believe me, I know that. I actually walk to work every day. But it's a different kind of assinity.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 20, 2009 9:08 PM

Smart man.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

t_e, I've let a lot of your stuff slide, but I will not sit here and let you slander my man He Hate Me like that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 20, 2009 6:58 PM

Slander? He Hate Me? Moi? Au contraire, mon ami. I compared him to a zircon or a marcasite. High praise coming from me. Most of the jewelry I bought my wife was either zircon or marcasite. I love those little, tiny sparklers. And they're eminently affordable, just what the Redskins could use.

As for "He Nate Me" I remember when you posted up here with that name for about three tries and then you couldn't stand it and reverted. How about HeNateMeinthePDX? Come on, be a sport. Give it a go.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 20, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Once again, a ridiculous post that would be ripped either way.

The 'skins current d-line:

Taylor, Griffin, Alexander, and Carter. Then your back ups are Daniels, Buzbee, Jackson and Wilson. Those are the guys under contract. That's it.

Evans - UFA
Montgomery and Golston - RFAs

So signing a guy who would then be the 5th rush end would absolutely require ridicule.

The front seven obviously needs to be addressed but with personel that fit the system.

If there was a time to change to a 3-4, now would be the time EXCEPT for the fact that there isn't one guy on the roster that would be playing in position.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 20, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

OK. Let me say that the "Marching Orders" article was very true in its overall tone; and kudos to Jla and JReid for pulling some interesting quotes from Skins people in the last segment. HOWEVER, the following pull is simply an example of these guys trying to overstate a case just to make a negative point about the FO:

"The Falcons' Dimitroff, like Parcells, quickly weeded out problem players. Disgruntled cornerback DeAngelo Hall, a former top-10 pick, was traded to Oakland for a second- and a fifth-round pick. The Raiders cut Hall after eight games; Washington signed him in midseason and is exploring a long-term contract for him."

What is not mentioned here? That Hall has been a model citizen since he came in. That Hall immediately made an impact with some big plays and desperately needed turnovers. That Hall ascended to the top of the CB depth chart in a secondary that was the strenght of this team and led the Skins to an overall 4th ranking for defense.

JLA AND REID. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE FO IS LARGELY INCOMPETENT. DO YOURSELVES A FAVOR AND DON'T TRY TO OVERSTATE THE CASE. WE WILL RESPECT YOUR REPORTING MUCH MORE.

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

On another note, Taylor's salary of $8.5M is a steal compared to franchising Peppers ($16.7M). Maybe not for this team but for another team.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 20, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

More of Jason's sensationalized crap. I go away for weeks at a time, but every time I come back to this blog, it's the same junk. The front office blows, etc.

You know, they're not the worst front office ever. They're not the best either. Which is why we are a playoff cusp team. Duh.

And, why on earth would we need a 3-4 linebacker project.

I wish Jason understood football a little better. Or didn't try to make us angry to keep us reading or something.

Posted by: lordtwang | January 21, 2009 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Is anyone else concerned about Hall? After the slap in the face in Oakland, he's been a model citizen -- but he's a free agent. All he had to do was lock himself in at night for two months and he'd get a big contract.

But what happens when he has that contract?

I think he reverts back to being, well, DeAngelo Hall. You can take the punk out of Blacksburg but you can't take the Blacksburg out of the punk, right? No disrespect for Va Tech, but raping teenagers isn't a firing offense down there. They aren't particularly concerned about character.

The Skins are really whistling past the graveyard with this kid. Imagine if the Skins trade Rogers, and Springs only plays 6 games. They'd be entirely dependent on DeAngelo Hall. Ouch. That could be a total disaster. That's why I think letting Rogers go is the height of stupidity.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 21, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I think all you Snyder-lovers miss the obvious point in this post. It's not that the Skins evaluated Cameron Wake, determined that despite his CFL success he's too small to play 4-3 LB and they don't need him as a situational rushbacker. That would be fine.

It's that they didn't evaluate him at all. That's damning. Here's a local guy lighting up the CFL and you don't know his name? Parcells has two scouts up there and Vinny can't find Canada on a map? That's not good. That's really not good.

The rest of the league sniffed this guy out -- enough that Parcells had to offer a "real" contract to the guy to get him. This is a risk/reward thing -- Parcells knows that at his size he'll likely flame out in the NFL. But he obviously saw something he liked -- and Parcells knows talent.

But Cerrato and team don't even know Wake's name. That should concern everyone, especially as both free agency and the draft are in their hands. This is a pretty damning episode for Danny and Vinny.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 21, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Hey, SonnyFan, I wonder if you've heard any mildly interesting rumors lately?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 20, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

LOL!

Posted by: TiredOfLosers | January 21, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

ahhh. good post JLC. Clearly, Ceratto is as stupid as ever. Way to go, moron! How much you want to bet Ceratto calls The Big Tuna and offers a 1st, 3rd and 5th rounder for this kid? That's Ceratto's style. After all, a fool and his draft picks are soon parted.

Posted by: zap123 | January 21, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins begin with numerous holes to patch..."

No they don't, I don't agree with this.

Yes, the o-line and d-line need help but everything else is there.

Jason, you make it sound like the Skins are Detriot in your article and that's wrong.

A couple of breaks and the 'Skins could be in Arizona's shoes right now. AND if I rmemeber correctly they beat those guys as well as Philly twice.

Com'on man, this is getting out of hand.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 21, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

The Skins DON'T have numerous holes to fill?

OK...

At DE, Carter is undersized and should be just a situation pass rusher, and Jason Taylor is out of gas.

At DT, Griffin is clearly on the decline and the rest of the guys are solid rotational guys, not starters.

At LB, Marcus Washington and London Fletcher are at or near the end of their careers. Rocky has gimpy knees and isn't a reliable 16 game starter.

On the OL, all 5 starters are over 30, and all 5 have had major surgeries recently. I don't expect any of them to remain on the roster 3 years from now.

Our kicker is the worst in the league, and our punter ain't that great either. Both our KR and PR could use an upgrade -- someone with take-it-to-the-house ability.

That's 16 holes and I haven't mentioned wide receiver or quarterback. It would be quicker to mention the areas that don't need upgrade: the secondary, the TEs, and the RBs. Everything else needs help.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 21, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of hearing how the Cardinals prove that the Skins could make it to the Superbowl next year. Actually, the Cardinals prove the opposite. Everyone makes a big deal out of their receivers and QBs, but take a look at their draft history:

2008: Three linemen (2 DE, 1 T)
2007: Two linemen (1 T, 1 DT)
2006: Three linemen (2 DTs, 1 G)

That's 8 linemen drafted in the last 3 years, including FOUR in the first two rounds of the draft. And they drafted 5 more linemen the two years before that. THIRTEEN LINEMEN IN FIVE YEARS. The Skins have drafted seven over the last five years, but none in the first two rounds. In fact, most of those seven were late rounds prayers -- four of the seven never played a snap.

Wanna get better? Even the Cardinals -- the lowly Bidwell Cardinals -- know it starts with the lines.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 21, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins overlooking a relatively inexpensive talent on the O-Line or D-Line? I don't believe it!! It must be a mistake!! I'm shocked!!!

Posted by: hamptonpirates89 | January 21, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Kudo's on Vinny Cerato for missing the ball... yet again!

Posted by: bussman24 | January 21, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

This is just another dumb blog post by JLC.

The Redskins already have several young undersized DE's and really don't need to bring on another situational DE.

and as far as the "For years the Redskins have passed on outstanding local talent - Gaither, Merriman, Royal" part . . . those names were early round draft picks, not undrafted CFL players.

As far as I can tell, the Skins have done a good job finding cheap local talent (Heyer from Maryland and Buzbee from Georgetown), though personally I don't care where the talent comes from, local or not.

They also have found at least one former CFL plater who has made an impact in the NFL(Sellers).

To act like the Skins Front Office is somehow ignoring the CFL is ridiculous. The fact is that they don't have a need for this player and/or didn't think he fit their system and contribute.

Posted by: HokiePaul | January 21, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

the fact remains if you blow a 16inch tire maybe a 14inch tire will fit but you still lose. the last thing the redskins need is a tweener to call a pass rusher. we need a run stopping end who can rush the passer on passing downs. if your not looking for another tweener why would you take time to evaluate one. as far as carlos is concerned it would be foolish to trade him he is thefuture of our secondary. and he is making strides. if we can keep our secodary intact one more year we should considering our lack of a pass rush we need to keep strong in our defensive backfield

Posted by: nflorida1 | January 21, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Leave the defesnsive ends the way they are! Jason Taylor and Andre Carter are two great Ends. A pass rush doesnt just come from the players it comes from the defensive schemes. Get Rid of the delayed blitzes. Also the one problem with Jason Taylor os that he plays too selfishly. He leaves a running lane wide open when he takes the outside route to the qb. He does it every time!

Posted by: biggskins | January 21, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

WHAT THE **** does JLa want?!?! I mean if we had signed him, the post would have been...

"Skins sign unproven talent to rich contract"

And the whole post would have been about the Skins giving big money to a tweener DE. Hmmm...sounds like A Carter, J Taylor, and C Wilson again!! Crap!! In addition, "massive interest" defined as a little over 50% of the league?? To me, at least, "massive interst" would be around 22-25 teams.

Posted by: cej75024 | January 21, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Whats up with this post? This guy would be an undersized DE in a 4-3. That would solve all of our problems......

Posted by: Redskins001 | January 21, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

way to be on top of that 1, vinny!!! don't the skins need someone to replace m. washington?!? out scouted again!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 21, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Wake is going to be at least an above average player in the NFL. No excuse for not at least scouting him. ESPN reported 18 teams scouted him and 8 offered him a contract some with 4-3 D's. There are many players in the league that were not drafted or late rounders that matured into very good players. The dude ran a 4.55 40

Posted by: oldtimer4 | January 21, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Wake, at 6-3, 240 pounds, is something of a tweener..."

No, I call that too small. Heck, that's about the size of Mike Sellers.

Posted by: ahashburn | January 21, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I trust Parcell's judgement more than Vinny's. Warren Moon demonstrated that he was a pretty good passer in Canada. Kurt Warner demonstrated that he was good passer in the Arena league. Some guys have "it". This guy has definitely demonstrated that he has pass rush skills. Skins should have at least given him a look. Don't forget this year's defensive MVP (Harrison) wasn't drafted either.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 21, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

This is absolutely ridiculous!! Dan and Vinny seem to be buddy buddy and arrogant at that! As long as the Redskins turn a profit who cares about really getting a quality product on the field and competing for the Super Bowl year end and year out? Dan needs to adopt the buddy verses business theme(Never hire your buddy). How can other GM's consistently find hidden gems either through Free Agency or Draft and now the CFL while the Redskins overestimate and overpaid players way past their prime or isn't a good fit. I'm afraid they're going to try to keep the flashy Smoot or Hall and let Rodgers go(though I'm no big Rodgers fan but He has grown, he tackles half decent, and can shutdown his man). Haynesworth, Peppers, and other true DE & DT are out there but we will not go after them! Hey it's his money. We need to go Youth and find a GM that can identify upcoming talent on other teams that can be available via free agency or the draft. If we don't get a real football mind(GM or director of Scouting-Draft & College) then get another splashy name coach. It's not necessarily the coaches, though that might contribute and the players are too old(they can play half a season as we've said but 16 games at top level...the sport is just too taxing on those bodies). We need to stock pile players on the Offensive and Defensive lines. Just venting because the real decision makers don't care. I moved from the D.C area over 10 years ago and had to defend the Redskins in places where there is no defence

Posted by: anointedebony | January 22, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Ahh Nuts.

Posted by: dashriprock | January 22, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

This highlights a critical failing in the Skins "build from the draft" philosophy. The scouting network is horrible. I mean, if you cannot recognize talent in the local players, how can you recognize it anywhere else? It surprises me how many good players come out of Virginia Tech and Maryland, and how few Washington is able to get their hands on. Then you have the sleepers that play at schools like Ferrum, Towson State, Howard, etc. and other teams are tuned into those guys more so than the Skins.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 22, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Vinny not available on MLK holiday...what else is new. My only question regarding Wake is why so many solid teams had interest in him? Yet, apparently Vinny and FO didn't even bother to at least take a look. Frankly, it wouldn't made a difference anyway. The Redskins decision makers couldn't recognize talent even if it hit them right up side their heads. First of all Vinny has got to go.

Posted by: csgraham66 | January 22, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Wake, at 6-3, 240 pounds, is something of a tweener..."

No, I call that too small. Heck, that's about the size of Mike Sellers.

My understanding is that he's up to around 260 lbs now.

Posted by: iz86 | January 22, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tedunni1 | January 22, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

For as long as I have been coming here mainly as a reader not as a poster I'm amazed and shocked at the dislike for JLC. I don't understand it. The man is an objectionable and proffessional reporter w ho provides us Skins fans with valuable information. Yes he makes a mistake(referring to Eddie Royal as a"big" receiver)every once in awhile but who the hell is perfect? Nobody!! Everyone always complains about his anonymous sources, why? If you insisted on naming all of your sources you wouldn't have any sources. Reporting just doesn't work that way. The gist of this article is that this inept and incompetent FO didn't know anything about this guy and that they didn't even show any interest considering the non-existence of any pass rush on this team. I think he also is trying to communicate that it is inconsiderate and arrogant to ignore local players that could have an impact on this team or ones that have went on to have an impact with other teams wether as marginal players or superstars. Come on people grow up and stop bashing Jason La Canfora he's doing a good job, and the best job he can for us Skin fans, if you don't like it, don't read it, or better yet go to the Washington Post and tell the powers that be how or why you can do it better, until then get a life and grow up!!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | January 22, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder was too busy yelling at his marketing dept for not thinking of the NFL roster reality show concept before Michael Irvin and Jerra.

Posted by: Jahswim | January 22, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

This will never change as long as Danny boy keeps letting Vinny lead him around like a puppy!! The Redskins need a MANAGER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: cherrywatts42 | January 22, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

THE REDKINS NEED A MANAGER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: cherrywatts42 | January 22, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

As Richie Pettibon described Charley Casserly: "He's like a batter who's been beaned. He's afraid to step up to the plate."

The same applies to Vinnie.

Posted by: hz9604 | January 22, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry fellow Skins fans! I bet Cerrato has a bead on the best damn punter in the CFL! I bet top punters around the league/college are hot topics at executive meetings in Redskins park. Who needs a tough, young, agressive pass rushing DE, when there so many other, more important skill positions to go after. Punter, Place Kicker, Long Snapper, Trainer, and waterboy. Don't worry, I'm sure the Vin-man has the latter all covered! Should I plan on NOT reordering the NFL Sunday ticket now, or after what I anticipate to be yet another draft day debacle, or free agent bust??? Help me Spok!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: eello | January 23, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Who is FO? I think it is Vinny, but what does it mean??

Posted by: ithinker | January 23, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The thing that keeps going through my head every time I read a post about the defensive line is why don't they give Jackson and Wilson more snaps? So what if they give up some big plays on screens or draws on 3rd and long; hell, that happened anyway. What I do know is that the only time I seemed to get excited about a Redskin getting close to a non-coverage sack was when Wilson was in the game. Dexter Manley sometimes sent ingraved invitations to run draws and screens at him, but he more than made up for it with the big plays he generated. Get rid of JT, start Evans at LE, and get Wilson and Jackson into the mix on passing downs and see what happens!

Posted by: kenboy1 | January 23, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

bold!

Posted by: JoeDonLooney | January 24, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

new

Posted by: JoeDonLooney | January 24, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Once again JLA Fonie is trying to make little of the skins front office. But he is right about one thing. We need a pass rusher that can knock some sense in danny the dumb Ass and vinny " I can get the draft right if the door was open with gust winds" Cerrato. Thing 1 and Thing 2= 2 Jackasses. Stupid @@##$$!!!.

Posted by: joe12341 | January 24, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I will state the obvious. As a redskins fan since 1965 here in Rochester NY, we can want all the "right players" until the cows come home. But until Snyder gets rid of his high school know nothing buddy Vinnie, we are going to be stuck in the middle of the pack at best, AT BEST! It's ok for Jerry to be a meddling buffoon of an owner, we love that as Skins fans, but for Danny to do it is an entirely different thing. He really needs to do the right thing and step back, bring in "FOOTBALL PEOPLE" to run things, I mean really run things and that is how we will contend and get back to a deep playoff run and hopefully another Superbowl. That is how to be a great owner, it really isn't that difficult....... Sorry for the long winded post, it's my first time in!

Posted by: BobV823 | January 25, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

With only 4 draft picks we should of taken a look at CFL guy. I think we need to draft DT's... the Old Miss guy looks good {Jerry}
3rd pick I like M. Harris CB from VT 4th Rd a big DT would be nice if not a guard or OT would also be nice. Last pick.........another big DT

O yea....M. Washington needs to go. Trade C.Rodgers for a good linemen and apick. Keep J. Taylor & DT #96 [if poss] Springs...........I like him but for not to much $$$.

I hope the young linemen we have are good and ready to go because all its going to take is either one of are guards to go down and were done

Posted by: toons123 | January 25, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

ithinker: FO = Front Office

Posted by: godiva2 | January 25, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Why are we talking so much about the Skins defense? The Skins defense played lights out pretty much the whole year. Only 1 team scored more than 24 points against the Skins all year and that was SF the last game of the season. Only 2 other defenses can say that (Pitt and Tenn). We had the 4th best defense and were talking about some kid from the CFL who may or may not pan out. The major problems are on offense! We need OL from the draft and we need for Thomas and Kelly to step up or we need to sign a big time WR like Plaxico Burress. We also need to find a way to keep Carlos Rogers a happy Redskin!

Posted by: daghost | January 26, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

WTH? How can our FO say that it is serious about improving our team -- especially the weak and ineffective O-line and D-line, and not even make an effort to sign someone like Wake? When you see Parcells sign him, you know that he is a Player. I have been a Skins fan since 1976, and this ownership and management almost literally makes me sick. Of course, they take the fans for granted and go along doing their incompetent thing, hoping that someday luck will shine on them and the third great era (after Allen and Gibbs I) will arrive. Hey Danny, it just doesn't work that way! Hire a competent GM and BUTT OUT! OMG!

Posted by: carmine096 | January 26, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Its like Dline is the problem we can afford to ignore every stinking season..it pisses me off and I dont think we'll address it for a couple more years as long as we have average lineman who can keep our sack number above pitiful.

Posted by: armst012 | January 26, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

For the Life of me I can't understand the hate for JLA all he does is expose the ineptitude of our beloved Skins and all you do is hate. I guess you guys like mediocrity and seriously believe Snyder and Vinny are smart enough to draft and sign quality players. Check our last few drafts, for that matter check any of our drafts under the Snyder regime and you'll see the truth.

Posted by: glove1977 | January 26, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Why are we talking so much about the Skins defense?

Well the Dline is pretty avg or below. The OLine isn"t the best but they seem to have a few of them on PSquad.... i hope they can play. We need Big Dlinemen and a LB, if we lose Springs we need another CB.

Posted by: toons123 | January 26, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

TWISI,

Does that purported GM that you talked to have the initials "M.M." by chance?

Posted by: Steve71 | January 26, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks JLac.
It seems suspicious that anyone on this board supports Vinny? How do you support someone who, when fully in charge, all stats dropped from the previous year including a trip to the playoffs.
Snyder would be better served if canned Vinny and his scouts and hired a private investigater to follow Parcells and his scouting team to the colleges and tryouts.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 27, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The defense didn't put up sack numbers but how can a defense be the 4th best defense with a below average defensive line. How can we have a below average defensive line and be 8th against the run. Call me crazy but the reason we lost every game this year is because of the offense period! Jason Taylor is hurt most of the year. Phillip Daniels goes out for the year. Marcus Washington is hurt most of the yearr. Springs missed a lot of games. Despite all of that we had the 4th best defense!!!

Posted by: daghost | January 27, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

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