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Redskins Podcast: The Home Opener

Because you really can't have enough Redskins information in your life, we've added a weekly podcast -- rhymes with odd cast -- to the mix. This week's, recorded Tuesday, takes a quick look back at the season opener and applies the knowledge gleaned from that to the Week 2 home opener against the Rams. The lineup will feature regulars Rick Maese, Dan Steinberg, moderator and "Seinfeld" trivia-meister Jonathan Forsythe, Tracee Hamilton and me. This week, it's just Maese, Forsythe and me. Basically, we get all caffeinated up and talk Redskins. You can identify with that.

Among the topics we touched on: the Jason Brown-Albert Haynesworth verbal jousting of last month, the secondary, and gameplan.

You also can also obtain said podcast at iTunes, where it's highly affordable...as in free.

By Cindy Boren  |  September 16, 2009; 9:38 AM ET
 
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A podcast?!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 16, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Those other peeps are well and good, but what about Tenorio? RI likes the writing by the new kid.

Posted by: dcsween | September 16, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Cooley had 3 fumbles last year and lost 2 according to ESPN stats. That's not exactly fumblitis. As a matter of fact Cooley has 8 carrer fumbles in 5 years and 1 game. That's not that bad.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 16, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse


Thank you scamp,

There's alot to not like about the Skins performance on Sunday, Cooley is not one of them.

It's ludicrous that we have a Cooley-bashing thread going on.

The dude is the only true legit bonafide ProBowler on our team (Fletcher snubs aside)and was one of the few bright spots on Sunday.

Contain the hate, people. Unleash it where it is deserved...

Posted by: p1funk | September 16, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Redskins aren't alone in needing W By David Elfin on Sept. 16, 2009
Redskins 360

Chins up, Redskins fans. Your heroes might have lost to the Giants in Week 1, but did you really expect to win in New York? C'mon now.

What's more, Washington's next five foes -- St. Louis, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Carolina and Kansas City -- all lost their openers and by an average of 20 points. So the Redskins are in good shape for a winless team.

That's not the case for five other teams with playoff hopes.

Carolina, after pounded by Philadelphia 38-10 at home, visits defending NFC South champion Atlanta, which beat Miami 19-7 last week. The Panthers and Falcons split their division series the past three seasons, but at least Carolina has emerged victorious from three of its last four trips to the Georgia Dome.

Tennessee led Pittsburgh late last Thursday before losing in overtime at the Super Bowl champions. The Titans had three extra days of rest/preparation for AFC South rival Houston, which won their last meeting 13-12 but is 1-6 alltime in Nashville.

The Texans, .500 last year, were thrashed 24-7 at home last week by the New York Jets and are staring at an 0-2 start as they try to qualify for postseason for the first time in their 8-year history.

Chicago couldn't have had a worse debut with new quarterback Jay Cutler throwing four interceptions and team leader Brian Urlacher suffering a season-ending dislocated wrist in the 21-15 loss to NFC South archrival Green Bay. And now the Bears get the Steelers, who have those extra days of rest and preparation.

Arizona, which led Pittsburgh in Super Bowl XLIII with less than a minute to go, opened with a stinker, a 20-16 home loss to NFC West foe San Francisco. The Jaguars battled Indianapolis to the wire on the road before losing 14-12. The Cardinals, who rarely play well on the East Coast, need to hope that their divisional round upset at Carolina is a reflection of what's to come Sunday rather than their 0-5 regular season record back East in 2008.

-- David Elfin

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 16, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Got bumped.

I know funk, I mean some attacked my opinion by countering and putting all the blame on JC. JC may have a lot of experience in the league, but if he isn't put in a position to succeed, and knows it, he'll play poorly - it's a given. I could see from the beginning that we did not put him in a position to succeed. Zorn should have been hired as an OC/QB coach who doesn't call plays but designs a system. Those are the two things he does well - designs a system and improves QB play within what the QB is given. If the QB is given crap because the playcaller doesn't have a clue what he's doing, a QB will fail despite his improved mechanics.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 16, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | September 16, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

can someone summarize what the extremeskins post was saying for me....thanks.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Jason Brown - Albert Hayneworth verbal jousting...

Maybe Jason Brown should see how B.Jacobs fared after his verbal joust with AH.

Say what you want about AH's stamina, injury history or contract. The one thing you do not want to do is piss the guy off and get his personal attention.

Right, Andre Gurode?

Posted by: p1funk | September 16, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Elfin reminding us that other teams suck too?... greeeeaaaaaat.

[:-|

ANY word on more adequate playcalling? QB/Recv timing?... chirp chirp chirp... crickets...

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

A podcast?!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 16, 2009 9:55 AM

Mr. Mora, Sr. You gotta keep up or you get left behind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIFYPQjYhv8

Posted by: dcsween | September 16, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"Wanna try a trick play? Send Thomas, Mitchell or Kelly on a deep routes."

This is a funny azz line!

And RedDMV officially speaks for me RE: Zorn.

I would need a barrel of c@alis to get "horny for zorny"

Posted by: chrislarry | September 16, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

FACT: Our DB’s are a question mark, and are giving too much of a cusion.

FACT: It could always be WORSE, and looking back in time, our secondary problems are actually minor, especially when it comes to “overpaid and underperforming”:


"In the third quarter, McNabb gave the Eagles a 17-14 lead on the 21-yard bootleg in which he outran Bruce Smith, juked Mark Carrier and dragged Matt Stevens three yards into the end zone. It came one play after George lost a fumble on the snap at the Washington 20."


FACT: I will never forget that play/game as long as I live. Unfortunately, video on this is hard to find.

Posted by: cj658 | September 16, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

11-5

Posted by: mopp04 | September 16, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Wait, other teams lost this past weekend? Not just the Skins?

Huh.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 16, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Zoron the Moron

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong, I think Cooley is in the top half of tight ends in the league, but I just don't think he's elite. Let me ask you, how many TD's did Cooley have last year? With the absence of a tall starting receiver last year, wouldn't one think the tight end, being the tallest receiver left in the lineup, would have hogged all of the TD catches?

-

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 16, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Wednesday, September 16, 2009
Upon Further Review: Redskins, Week 1


Ryan O'Halloran

UPON FURTHER REVIEW

Final observations from the Redskins' 23-17 loss to the New York Giants on Sunday:

• Coach Jim Zorn was asked several times Monday about Albert Haynesworth's playing time, and much was made about how he came out during the opening drive. Whatever. Haynesworth played 46 of 64 snaps (72 percent). Defensive tackles are hit on every play, and every team has a rotation. "I wish Albert could play 100 percent of the time at 100 percent speed, but he weighs 340 [pounds]," Zorn said. "He's a load, and moving that much mass will take it out of you."

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 16, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

cj, are you friggin kidding me?? you're hung up on random play from 9 season ago??

seek professional help....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

on my list of things I am nervous/confused/upset/concerned about the Skins Cooley ranks about....47. Right behind Hunter Smith and in front of London Fletcher....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 16, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Beantown, the post was a little long...but it was basically comparing JKC to Snyder and how JKC hired Beathard while Snyder passed on Pioli. It also pretty much destroys any hope in any of the coaches out there (Shanahan, Cowher etc.)

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=299264

Someone else might sum it up better

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 16, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Head, I kinda feel 'ya. I do think we would have been better served to trade him for some mondo-goodness a while ago.

But he's a great player & a team leader. W/o him this weekend you'da had NO offense at all... so we need him pretty bad.

Might be overrated... might be great. Individual stats are for fantasy leagues anyway.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

People,

Before we fire the coach, bench the quarterback, or throw in the towel on the season, why don't we see what happens in the 2nd game of a 16 game season.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 16, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

cl, agreed, cooley is about as concerning to me as Portis being in shape, but only right after my concerns about London Fletcher.....yikes....

yod's thanks, but when did Snyder ever have a chance to hire pioli??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

We'er bashing Cooley? It's only Wednesday and we've already run out of things to despise about the 2009 edition of the Redskins so we have to make things up? Maybe last week's loss wasn't so bad after all.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 16, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"Scott Pioli, who held the same post for the 3 time champion Pats that Beathard held for the Dolphins, was available. Unfortunately, we let him walk right over to Beathard's other old team, the Chiefs."

Beantown, this is where the poster brings Pioli up. I don't remember how Pioli to KC went down exactly. I don't know if his cotract allowed him to walk at a certain time or what.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 16, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

BeanTown: Little do you know, this play defined the Redskins for the next decade. It also was McNabb’s coming out party. Did you actually see the game/play. Not to mention it was hilarious.

But seriously, people forget that if the Skins won that game, they were in prime playoff position. If they just had a decent kicker that year, they go 12-4. That said, Norv would probably still be our coach today. Just saying.

And also, for all the people “complaining” about the current state of affairs, all I’m saying is it has been far worse. I’m sure many Skins fans on here weren’t even fans back then. It is what it is.

Posted by: cj658 | September 16, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Do we have a choice, shaun? ...'cause if we do....

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Cooley only had 1 TD last year on an option pass from Randel El. That is not on him. He still led the team in catches and is usually good for 6-8 TD's a year.

How can you not expect this team to be a loser? What we have had 2 years of 10 wins, a 9 win season, a slew of 8-8 and some dirty 6-10 or worse in the past 20 years. I am optimistic every year and then disgusted by October usually. It is becoming increasingly difficult to care.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 16, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

yod's thanks, but when did Snyder ever have a chance to hire pioli??

He never did, not sure where this garbage is coming from.

Posted by: cj658 | September 16, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I think Shanahan might like the idea of coaching the skins. He'd have an owner not afraid to spend $ (reports are that became a problem with Bowlen). Unfortunately he wouldn't be an upgrade at GM probably would be worse than Cerrato.

Posted by: skinswest | September 16, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

You know what would be fun? To shoot up Coooley with some truth serum and then ask "Whats your take on Coach Zorn?"

I get the distinct feeling he is not a fan.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 16, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

to say that the Redskins let poili walk to the chiefs is called taking "artistic liberties"....he wasn't ever available, its not like the redskins were in the running for his services.....

cj, again, year 2000....time to get over it.
"this play defined the Redskins for the next decade"
wrong again, it defined YOU, and still does, judging by how you can't get over it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

ATTN READERS/COMMENTERS: It is comical how almost every discussion turns into who Jim Zorn’s replacement will be. Pure unadulterated nonsense. He lost the first game of the year on the road, to one of the best teams in the NFC, by 6 points. Stop the BS. Please.

Cowher nor Shannahan will work for Snyder. NEVER EVER EVER. End of discussion. Not happening. Sorry to break hearts. Any true football fan knows this will not work with either of those guys, for many reasons, which are not worth getting into right now.

The only “reasonable” candidate would be Gruden. Not sure how much of an upgrade that would be.

This is Jim Zorn’s team, and let’s not have this discussion until week 9, then we can start drawing some conclusions. If we lose on Sunday, then maybe some of this converstion is reasonable. But at the end of the day, let’s wait until week 9.

Thanks fans.

Posted by: cj658 | September 16, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

cj, I was at that game and still remember McNabb juking Carrier out of his boots. I don't think it's the definitive play of the Skins' decade, but I remember it vividly.

I haven't read the article, but I assume the author is pointing out that Snyder has had an opportunity to hire someone, anyone, other than Vinny to be his franchise's personnel boss almost every season since he bought the team, and even though some very good personnel people (like Pioli) have jumped teams in all those years, Vinny remains entrenched in Ashburn. Nothing new there.

I don't think the next guy is going to be Grimm. I doubt Snyder would go back to the ex-player-turned-assistant-who's-never-been-a-head-coach after seeing Zorn fail. Assuming Zorn "fails," which I hope isn't the case but looks like a distinct possibility.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 16, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Why do we have to bring in a used up coarch? The only guy in the mix I'd really cotton to is Cowher.

The rest of 'em have had difficult enough times elsewhere to warrant looking for truly talented newbs.

...not that the Dan has any success at that.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

FACT: cj658 is annoying

Posted by: chrislarry | September 16, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

cj658 -

By week 9 we'll be speculating on who will replace Jim Zorn's replacement.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 16, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

You know what would be fun? To shoot up Coooley with some truth serum and then ask "Whats your take on Coach Zorn?"

I get the distinct feeling he is not a fan.

Posted by: chrislarry


Yeah, I would love to interview him and Portis at the same time and ask questions about Jim Zorn.

I'm sure they'll have golden quotes regarding him.

I just can't wait until he's s*** canned, then they can't be PC anymore regarding this fraud HC. The real will come out...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

CJ - I guess we'll be talking in week nine then...

You're ok w/ how he and his team performed in that game? Not the loss, but HOW they lost. You're ok w/ that?

I realize fan is short for fanatic, but my fanaticism is supporting this team despite the glaring porblems. I'll keep my Sears Wishbook [ultra-dated reference] open to "Coarches" for a while & dream ....

What does Dungy do for ya folks?

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

F RedDMV and Cl

Zorn won't get fired. So deal with it.

15 - 1. Book it.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 16, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

lmao@4th

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

ATTN: ETROD

I beg to differ. We will not be “contemplating Jim’s replacement by week 9. Reason being is because the Skins will have a decent record by week 9. I suspect 6-2 (déjà-vu). The true test for Zorn will be the final 8 games of the year. I think he and the team have learned a lot from last year and will not “fold” much like last season. If they do fold, or if the skins are anything less than 5-3 at week 9, then we can talk about replacements. Thanks.

Posted by: cj658 | September 16, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Wow, tough loss…..but for all that went “bad”, they made em sweat at the end. Successful onside kick and things may have been a little different. Let’s hope they work on the corners getting closer to the receivers and practice the tackling……I liked what I saw in the raiders the other night. They said Cable got them back to fundamentals, like tackling, blocking etc…..I think our DB’s need to practice tackling basics some more. Anyway, as someone said before, lets take the training wheels off the offense and get em going. The Lambs ain’t gonna lay down on Sunday, but I sure want some “revenge” for that crazy loss last year. Let’s hope the Skins remember that one…..

I think Incognito is still on the Rams….if I remember correctly from last year’s game he proved himself to be on of the dirtiest players in the NFL….let’s hope he says or does something to big AH that really gets him going. Chances are he will and we will see AH put out some serious carnage on D. Hail!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 16, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Listening Assignment:

Black Sabbath "Mob Rules"

Dio era Sabbath is soooo underrated. Some of Iomi's best work. Ozzy's a d0uche for not letting them use the name this last tour.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

yeah it does seem pretty obvious Cooley/CP are biting their tongues when it comes to outing Zorn... I read an interesting article yesterday that said during a game last season Campbell approached Zorn on the sideline and said "come on coach you have to trust us". Campbell was referencing what he perceived as Zorn taking a way too conservative approach

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 16, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Already ahead of you, etrod.
Gruden will replace Zorn next year, fire Cerrato, and barely get the Skins into the playoffs. After they lose the Wildcard game Snyder will fire Gruden, then make his personal masseuse the head coach. That way, Danny gets a happy ending no matter what after each game.

Posted by: pgugino | September 16, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

F 4Th for not believing what in his heart he knows is true.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 16, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

ATTN: CJ658

sar⋅casm  [sahr-kaz-uhm]

–noun 1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.

2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.


Origin:
1570–80;

Synonyms:
1. sardonicism, bitterness, ridicule. See irony 1 . 2. jeer.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 16, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

ATTN READERS/COMMENTERS: It is comical how almost every discussion turns into who Jim Zorn’s replacement will be. Pure unadulterated nonsense. He lost the first game of the year on the road, to one of the best teams in the NFC, by 6 points. Stop the BS. Please.

Cowher nor Shannahan will work for Snyder. NEVER EVER EVER. End of discussion. Not happening. Sorry to break hearts. Any true football fan knows this will not work with either of those guys, for many reasons, which are not worth getting into right now.

The only “reasonable” candidate would be Gruden. Not sure how much of an upgrade that would be.

This is Jim Zorn’s team, and let’s not have this discussion until week 9, then we can start drawing some conclusions. If we lose on Sunday, then maybe some of this converstion is reasonable. But at the end of the day, let’s wait until week 9.

Thanks fans.


Posted by: cj658

I think it's comical how naive you're sounding.

I won't go on a Zorn ripping post, but the disdain and ire for Zorn was not concluded by the loss to the Giants.

And, would you care to elaborate on exactly why Shanahan or Cowher wouldn't work here? Sorry but your highroad bs explanation doesn't do it for me.

And you're crazy if you think this is Jim Zorn's team. It's more Portis' or Cooley's team than Zorn's, believe that s***! Zorn slipped and fell into the coaching job, his imprint is not on this team, what about the Washington Redskins says: This is Zorn's team?

Nothing.

AND, you must be new to RI. Speculation is our watchword on this here board.

I'll advise you to read over anti-Zorn post because if (really hoping it's not a 'when' circumstance) they lose to the Rams. I'm going to Zorn dissing on f'n epic levels.

Believe THAT! And get over THAT!

Oh and btw, nice self-serving and condescending signature at the end there, cj. Like if I don't think Zorn's legit I'm not a fan.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

DikShuttle:

Why, of course we have a choice...

Choice #1: Wait and see what happens in the following weeks before raising the white flag.

Choice #2: Calling it a year after Game 1, and demanding the same turnover that we have all complained about for the last 10 years.

Personally, I'm going with #1. It's just MUCH more fun.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 16, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm ready for Shanahan.

I was strongly anti-Shanahan before I read this Stefan Fatsis book, "A Few Seconds of Panic." Great book, in the mode of Plimpton's "Paper Lion" about the Broncos' training camp and Fatsis's struggle to become a kicker and make a 30-yard FG in practice for the Broncos.

Shanahan iced him by telling the team that if Fatsis made the kick, they'd end the day 30 minutes early. He missed. Shanahan gave him a do-over and he made it. Shanahan said "I would hate to have been you if you'd missed the second one."

Shanahan comes out really well as a coach, manager, strategizer, play designer, play caller. Good guys: Jake Plummer, Jason Elam, several others. Jerks: Jay Cutler, Todd Sauerbrun.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"Danny gets a happy ending no matter what after each game."

I wish I had this option...that would TOTALLY help me deal with the stress of the season!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 16, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Snyder will have to go with a coach that has tons of head coaching experience after failing so dramatically at taking the "unseasoned" coach approach. Shanahan it is. I remember some of the posts about Aldridge where the team's management talked to Shanahan about trying the guy out. There was another bite about talking to Shanahan regarding Cutler. There is a rapport there already. Vinny will be part of the equation with Shanahan. Bank on it.

BTW, all of you fans of Cooley ask yourselves if you are fans because of what he does on Sundays or is it what he does on his days away from football? I'll never be high on a player that shows up beween the twenty yard lines but disappears in the red zone. That's not a complete player to me.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 16, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I hope it's not Gruden for no other reason than I think he finally makes the MNF booth worth listening to.

Posted by: skinswest | September 16, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The internal finger pointing has started

Monday, Redskins coach Jim Zorn said there was too much cushion on some coverages. But Gray didn't think that was the case.

"Not really," Gray said. "Other than [one screen pass] what other off-man coverage was too much? To me, you can challenge and press and do those things, but you still have to make a play."

When asked about Halls performance..

"I wouldn't say he struggled," Gray said of Hall.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 16, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

ChRis LaRrY -

My original prediction was 15-1 before I said 16-0 the week before the Giants.

I predicted we were going to lose the opener and go 15 straight. So, techinically, my original prediction is still good. It's locked in on RI Wiki....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 16, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

rsh, can we agree that Whitten is a really good tight end, like probably one of the top TE's in the league?? Ok??

So, can you compare how many TD's Cooley has in 6 years with how many TD's Whitten has in 7??

"I wouldn't say he struggled," Gray said of Hall"

Right, it wasn't struggling, it was outright sucking....there's a difference...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I hope it's not Gruden for no other reason than I think he finally makes the MNF booth worth listening to.
Posted by: skinswest | September 16, 2009 11:20 AM

I liked them too…..but Mike/Mike and Steve, not so much. Golic was good, IMO, but Young talked too much and Greenberg is nowhere near a polished play by play guy. Thought it was kind of funny though when I think it was the Chargers were down 10-7 and driving, and Greenberg said that they were looking to get a touchdown, or at least settle for a “share of the lead” with a field goal……I couldn’t tell if he was nervous or trying to be funny…But I thought it was funny….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 16, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

My FF League gives the redskins players high numbers against the Rams.

That being said I still put Santana on the bench. Moved Randall El to starter. Even though he trips down the field, he connects with JC as does Cooley.

Santana and Portis haven't practiced football in about three years now. They might be falling hard this year.

I love my Redkins. I have been a fan every since Kilmer and Jorgenson went at it. Thought they both gave other Teams fits.

Love the trick play line from above. How bout' this one. Let the fullback try to pick 1-2 yards per carry.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 16, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"I wouldn't say he struggled," Gray said of Hall.


Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 16, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse


Is Gray auditioning for White House Press Secretary?

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 16, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

DIKSHUTTLE: I'm not all worried about the way they lost to NY. Nor should anyon else be. Plenty to be optimistic about.


REDDMV: Time for lunch, I'll get to you in about an hour or two. Until then.

Posted by: cj658 | September 16, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

See Bench, classic Zorn finger pointing unaccounted b freakin' S coming from this hack d-bag coach.

F 4th, for co-signing for this fraudulent bama, impersonating a NFL coach on the sidelines!

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Golic talking football = good stuff

Golic talking about anything else = terrible

Dan Patrick Show >>>>> Mike and Mike

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | September 16, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan comes out really well as a coach, manager, strategizer, play designer, play caller...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 11:17 AM


Hate to break it to you, but he didn't do a damn thing without John Elway at QB. So unless he's gonna get a HoF QB when he gets here, I wouldn't count on him bringing the Skins to the promised land.

Don't get me wrong...he's a good coach. All the things you listed are mostly true. But he's gonna want control of personnel and he didn't do so hot in that department.

I'd take him over Vinny, but a guy who wears the coach/GM hat doesn't win Super Bowls.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 16, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I wish I had this option...that would TOTALLY help me deal with the stress of the season!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 16, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Why hasnt he put in an Asian massage parlor, that would surely increase revenue. I would go in at half, and definitely at the end of the game if we lost, hell I might go if we won as well.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 16, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

REDDMV: Time for lunch, I'll get to you in about an hour or two. Until then.

Posted by: cj658


I hate a tease.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I can see Jim Jones over your shoulder, cj.

Shaun... I meant about the coarching position. Yes, we do have to bear it out. You want to keep huffin' paint, go ahead ;]

btw - I still have us at 10-6. But not if this keeps up.

I actually believe the Rams are a great test. If we suck against them too, like last year, we have our answer.

Lunch sounds good.

Rok rok AUN!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Before we fire the coach, bench the quarterback, or throw in the towel on the season, why don't we see what happens in the 2nd game of a 16 game season.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 16, 2009 10:38 AM

Agreed and doing a little dance because it is already Wednesday and I just got offered a seat in the 100 level in the corner of the end zone just under the overhang. Wooooo hooooo!

Posted by: dcsween | September 16, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Why hasnt he put in an Asian massage parlor, ...

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 16, 2009 11:35 AM

It was part of a deal struck early btwn the team and a group of weekend football widows ... once you go Asian, you never go Caucasian.

Posted by: dcsween | September 16, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

F 4th, for co-signing for this fraudulent bama, impersonating a NFL coach on the sidelines!

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 11:31 AM

I'm not co-signing...BAMA...

My prediction is we go 15-1. JZ can't get fired for having a 15-1 season......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 16, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I'd take him over Vinny, but a guy who wears the coach/GM hat doesn't win Super Bowls.

Posted by: brownwood26

No, but could Shanahan--or Cowher or Gruden for that matter--really do any worse? Throw out Superbowl for a sec. I'll settle for a consistent contender to make the playoffs.

Posted by: pgugino | September 16, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The Coach said he has received critical e-mails, but said the fans' poison makes him feel sorry for them.

"When I read some of them I feel terrible for them because there's no way they're happy," he said. "They've got to be some of the most unhappy people in the world, and I feel bad because we just made them less happy, and I hate to be a part of making someone less happy. I mean, they're already miserable."

Is this us?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 16, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

gatorskinz2000,
Doesn't it seem like this coach is trying to shift the blame? First it is the defensive backs are playing too far off, and then next it is the fans are being over critical. He says his quarterback is making "good decisions" but the team is still going 3 and out. As a poison-filled, over-critical fan, I'm seeing only one person to blame.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 16, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

No, but could Shanahan--or Cowher or Gruden for that matter--really do any worse? Throw out Superbowl for a sec. I'll settle for a consistent contender to make the playoffs.

Posted by: pgugino | September 16, 2009 11:41 AM


I would too...I guess I just hate that the Redskins are going the way of the WCO. It just doesn't seem right.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 16, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I'd...NOT worry about looking for a new coach yet, and try to enjoy this season, which has only just started.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 16, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

As long as we're making wild-azz predictions, here's one you're sure to like...

Next Sunday night, the Cowpukes get beat to crap by the Giants in their brand new VIP party lounge, and their season goes downhill from there. Wade Phillips is bounced by Jones and then....wait for it...Danny, after watching Zorn lurch through a 7-9 season, decides Bum's Son is just the kind of seasoned veteran the team needs.

How 'bout them Redskins!

Posted by: InRealAmerica | September 16, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Gatorskinz, was that a response from Zorn?

If so, I'm not surprised.

Classic Zorn. In the face of crticism he just defelcts blame and critcism back to other people.
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Eddie Kayne, I mean 4th, while a dig your optimism, the 'skins aint going double digit wins with Zorn pacing the sidelines.

DAAAAAAAUUUM...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

My guess would be that Cowher, Shannahan, Gruden or Holmgren would not last here.

Any coach that would tell the owner to have a coke and a seat anD STFU like Marty did won't stick around long because that SJK don't fly in DC.

As long as the owner fancies himself a personel guy, this team will be mediocre to bad, just like Dallas and Oakland.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 16, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

That was Jim Tressel's quote I think. Same kinda loser talk we will hear from Zorn if things don't turn around quickly.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 16, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Note to Zorn....

I feel sorry for you! You fell into the chance of a lifetime the head coach of one of the most watched teams in the country a fan base that lives and dies with this team, an owner that is willing to spend money and arguably a team with some serious talent...

AND what did you do??? you squandered it way to go Coach! You blew your shot you wont be getting another

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 16, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I hear you, brown. I always felt the identify of this team was tough, smashmouth football and clock control (e.g., Steelers, Ravens, Giants). Ironically, it seemed like in this loss what hurt was a predictable commitment to run on 1st down when this is supposed to be a WCO now. Hello? Zorn wants to pass more but also shackle the passing game?

Posted by: pgugino | September 16, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"I just feel like the worst coach in America to have to lose the way we are losing"

yours truly Jim Zorn

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 16, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

o_e, the difference with those guys is that they all won super bowls.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I get the distinct feeling he is not a fan.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 16, 2009 10:47 AM

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Based on what?

Tell me, was this distinct feeling accompanied by a bowel movement?

I too get a distinct feeling: Cooley doesn't really love his hairdresser wife.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 16, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

No, but could Shanahan--or Cowher or Gruden for that matter--really do any worse? Throw out Superbowl for a sec. I'll settle for a consistent contender to make the playoffs.

Posted by: pgugino
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This is on the money. Zorn may get it eventually (playcalling, leadership, etc) but how eventually is eventually? Guys like Shanahan, Cowher, Dungy would bring that stuff in when they walk in the door (forget Gruden).

And I don't buy that many of these candidates wouldn't work for Snyder. The Redskins are a super high profile team with a great legacy, loads of $ resources (partly because the owner is good at making money), and an aggressive owner that wants to win, whatever else you may think of him. Anybody with confidence and an ego (incl such coaching candidates) would think they can tame/control Snyder's negatives - it's not like he's psycho (see Al Davis).

RE Cowher, I think he'd come here, if he resumes coaching and for some reason doesn't want to take over the Panthers close to home (if that's offered to him).

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

So either he files for divorce, or he continues faking it.

Jeeeeeesh!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 16, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

do not wade phillips darken the door of the coaches office at Redskin Park - incompetence plus willing to be an utter lapdog for the owner = nothing changes.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 16, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I forgot to mention the pay that Snyder would offer such a coach. Plus the pay levels for their coaching staffs.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

If I had to guess, the sex between Cooley and his wife blinded him to her other shortcomings.

At any rate, I get the distinct feeling Chris Cooley is having a serious case of buyer's remorse.

Just a feeling, but a distinct one.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 16, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

It's really unfortunate that the Bill's player who fumbled on monday night got his house vandalized. That's not a good thing, especially in a smaller town like Buffalo.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 16, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what the dinner conversation between Chris Cooley and his wife is all about?

Prolly how lame of an HC the Washington Redskins have.

Just a feeling though, but a distinct one.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 16, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Shaun... I meant about the coarching position. Yes, we do have to bear it out. You want to keep huffin' paint, go ahead ;]

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Oh, I don't think I'm huffin' paint, using a "wait and see" approach to a team that has played 6% of it's season to date.

Not really on Zorn's bandwagon, nor do I hate him - his efforts last year were on par with Gibbs, Spurrier, Schott, and Turner before him: inconsistent team play leading to an average team.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

Though a lousy season will almost certainly spell doom for both he and Campbell (the latter has actually had much more time to prove himself), if they are booted, I wonder if there will ever be a day when we will have the kind of stability needed to be a successful franchise once again.

Whatever the case may be, we as fans here in Washington have tasted great success (at least the older ones), and that makes us tough critics. With that, we "ride the roller coaster" way too often, rather than stand back and assess the season as a whole.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 16, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Chia, you seem a tad obsessed with Cooley's marital situation. Will proper resolution of this improve his play?

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Gotta feel for Chris Cooley.

He hates his wife and his boss.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 16, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

That was Jim Tressel's quote I think. Same kinda loser talk we will hear from Zorn if things don't turn around quickly.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 16, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

That it was, thats why I was asking are we like those fans?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 16, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

RE Cowher, I think he'd come here, if he resumes coaching and for some reason doesn't want to take over the Panthers close to home (if that's offered to him).

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 12:17 PM


If Cowher wanted to work here, he would have taken the gig last year when it was open. He wouldn't even have a sit down with Snyder.

He's a Marty disciple. After the way Snyder did him, he wouldn't do it. And beyond that, he won't do it unless he can kick Vinny out and bring in his own people...same as Marty. And we all know how that turned out.

Cowher is waiting out the Carolina gig. If Sunday was an indication of things to come in Charlotte, Fox will be gone after this year and Cowher's kids will all be out of the house. Plus Carolina has tried to be like Pittsburgh since Day 1 and that's the best situation for Cowher.

Cowher will never coach the Redskins. Count on it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 16, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan comes out really well as a coach, manager, strategizer, play designer, play caller...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 11:17 AM


Hate to break it to you, but he didn't do a damn thing without John Elway at QB. So unless he's gonna get a HoF QB when he gets here, I wouldn't count on him bringing the Skins to the promised land.

Don't get me wrong...he's a good coach. All the things you listed are mostly true. But he's gonna want control of personnel and he didn't do so hot in that department.

I'd take him over Vinny, but a guy who wears the coach/GM hat doesn't win Super Bowls.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 16, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse


The counter-argument to that is Elway couldn't win the big one until Shanahan came along.

And instead of putting the team entirely on Elway's shoulders, he unearthed Terrle Davis and set up that devastating run game based on the zone-blocking scheme.

Every coach needs talented guys to win it. Just like talented guys need a good coach to win it.

I'd definitely take Shanahan over Vinny as a GM, b/c in my book that's not saying much (about Vinny).

And you don't even need to ask whether you take Shanahan over Zorn as a coach...

All in all, I don't see it happening b/c bringing in Shanahan would mean firing/demoting Vinny, and in the tug-of-war between common sense football decisions vs. Danny's loyalty to his yes-men; Danny seems to prefer his yes-men...

Posted by: p1funk | September 16, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

So I haven't really seen much serious discussion on here regarding the Rams, as if that game's a given W for us. What are their key strengths (if any) and key weaknesses? What should our primary game strategies be, i.e. if you were coach?

Until the Skins consistently play up to their talent level (and they've been notorious for not doing this, for a long time now), I wouldn't take even the worst opponent for granted - look at how badly we played weak teams in the 2nd half of last season.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Chas,

I'm not obsessed with Cooley's his marital situation, just properly concerned.

and no, proper resolution of his craptastic marriage to that hairdresser of a wife will not improve his play one iota.

as long as Jim Zen is HC, he will continue to toil under the weight of the subpar play calling and wimpish game planning of the head coach he clearly hates.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 16, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

brownwood,
you're making sense to me.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 16, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

The most defining and damaging play, however, happened when Osi Umenyiora, the Giants' All-Pro defensive end who missed all of last season with a knee injury, stripped the ball from Campbell, recovered and returned it 37 yards for a touchdown to give New York a 17-0 lead with 2:11 left in the first half.

The Giants also took away the deep pass but, said Zorn afterward of his quarterback, "He's got to get rid of the ball better."

Campbell disagreed. "Everyone says I held on to the ball too long, so I guess I'm supposed to throw it into coverage," he said sardonically." - Washington Times

The main problem with the Redskins is exemplified with those two comments from those two individuals.

Zorn REFUSES to ever shoulder the blame. He always tries to weasel or slither his way out of the problems on offense.

Zorn = Snake

Campbell is scared to either throw into coverage, or doesn't trust his receivers.

If it's the former, he needs to be replaced at the end of the season. If it's the latter, he needs to give them a chance, and if he gets picked he can walk off the field knowing that he at least gave his receiver an opportunity.

Campbell = Cindy Cautious

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

If Cowher wanted to work here, he would have taken the gig last year when it was open. He wouldn't even have a sit down with Snyder.

He's a Marty disciple. After the way Snyder did him, he wouldn't do it. And beyond that, he won't do it unless he can kick Vinny out and bring in his own people...same as Marty. And we all know how that turned out.

Cowher is waiting out the Carolina gig. If Sunday was an indication of things to come in Charlotte, Fox will be gone after this year and Cowher's kids will all be out of the house. Plus Carolina has tried to be like Pittsburgh since Day 1 and that's the best situation for Cowher.

Cowher will never coach the Redskins. Count on it.

Posted by: brownwood26
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All good points. Did Cowher refuse a sit down with us but take meetings with other teams? If so, I'd agree it's truly a dead prospect.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

My final thought of the day:

Shotgun!

Pass, pass, pass, and pass again.

When that doesn't work and we get tired of 3rd and long, pass, pass, pass, and pass again.

Repeat...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 16, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

we've added a weekly podcast -- rhymes with odd cast


DANG it! You mean I've been pronouncing it wrong for years?!

Posted by: freakzilla | September 16, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I see we are on the same Lunch schedule! Awesmoe!

I would never equate Zorn w/ Gibbs on any level. And as an older fan, you shouldn't either. Gibbs went from suck to good to great. Zorn went from mediocre to pathetic and hasn't shown any change in direction.

I have no choice but to sit and watch the wheels come off again. And I really don't want to feel good about it.

Agreed that this is their (Soup & Zoron) year. Make or break.

My hyperbole was only to suggest that:
Being high on this team = being high. No personal insult, beyond comedic, intended.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

So I haven't really seen much serious discussion on here regarding the Rams, as if that game's a given W for us. What are their key strengths (if any) and key weaknesses? What should our primary game strategies be, i.e. if you were coach?

Until the Skins consistently play up to their talent level (and they've been notorious for not doing this, for a long time now), I wouldn't take even the worst opponent for granted - look at how badly we played weak teams in the 2nd half of last season.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse


I anticipate a big big win against the Rams.

Last year, I anticipated a loss against the Rams, b/c while everyone else was dreaming of a 7-1 start, I felt like we were looking past the Rams and the Skins were resting on the laurels of a fast start.

This year, I think the whole team is pissed about craptastic game they played against the Gmen.

I think Zorn is a bit pissed that he came out of that game looking like a lame-for-brains after having had the whole preseason to gameplan for the opener.

I think this weekend the Skins unleash a cathartic beatdown.

Posted by: p1funk | September 16, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Campbell disagreed. "Everyone says I held on to the ball too long, so I guess I'm supposed to throw it into coverage," he said sardonically." - Washington Times
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This what I expect from JC-286 (as in processor).

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to have offended your girl friend Jim Zen Chia....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan comes out really well as a coach, manager, strategizer, play designer, play caller. Good guys: Jake Plummer, Jason Elam, several others. Jerks: Jay Cutler, Todd Sauerbrun.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 11:17 AM

Come on TE, Shanahan was a terrible GM.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn is a bit pissed that he came out of that game looking like a lame-for-brains after having had the whole preseason to gameplan for the opener.

Posted by: p1funk | September 16, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

hell, the whole pre-season; what about all of 9 months or however long the schedule has been out. That's what galls me; same team, same game two years in a row, and there is no improvement. No change.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 16, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Both the Cowher and Shanahan issues come down to one thing: what do you do to Vinny?

I can't imagine either of those guys agreeing to work "under" Vinny as a director of player personnel/GM-type.

I also can't see Danny demoting Vinny or stripping him of any powers after promoting him the other year.

Consequently, IMHO, I think the Shanahan/Cowher idea is dead on arrival.

Posted by: p1funk | September 16, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

pFunk - I'll agree that they WANT it to be that way... they still have to play an actual pro team... well... ok, a really good CFA team...

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I think this weekend the Skins unleash a cathartic beatdown.

Posted by: p1funk
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Well I hope you're right, and I really hope to see better play calling, because to me that's the one big thing holding this talented team back from making the playoffs, and far and away the primary reason we didn't beat the Ginas (to me, JC and the secondary were distant seconds).

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is scared to either throw into coverage, or doesn't trust his receivers.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 12:36 PM

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Campbell has three receivers he trusts: Cooley, ARE, and Moss.

Moss, JC's "security blanket" the defense will often take away. Cooley and ARE will see many receptions, most for dinky yards, spattered with the occasional 30 yard play to Cooley.

Drives will not be sustained and very few TDs will be scored.

Our defense will be gassed.

and it's all the HC's fault.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 16, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn is a bit pissed that he came out of that game looking like a lame-for-brains after having had the whole preseason to gameplan for the opener.

Posted by: p1funk | September 16, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

hell, the whole pre-season; what about all of 9 months or however long the schedule has been out. That's what galls me; same team, same game two years in a row, and there is no improvement. No change.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 16, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse


Yup.

I heard the football talking heads saying during Week 1, that the season opener is the one single game that coaches have months to prepare for. All the games after that you only have a week or 2 (during a bye) to prepare a game-plan. But everyone spends preaseson loading up for that season opener.

What we saw against the Giants was Zorn's best-laid game plan following months of preparation...that's scary.

Posted by: p1funk | September 16, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I said it b4 and i'll say it again Gibbs ruined Campbell like Spurrier ruined Ramsey. Campbell still has the fear of making a mistake. Not a big or small mistake but any mistake.

Posted by: priceisright | September 16, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Been along time since i've posted......have a feeling i've seen this movie before (groundhog day?).....No idenity and lack of playmaking are still our biggest problems...look all QB's make bad or dumb plays /decisions, but the good ones make a higher % of smart and good decisions...Jc doesn't make a ton of bad plays ......He just doesn't make much happen....so we kind have a take whats there kind of offense ( no play making no improv) thats where things happen in this league ...I'll bet over 50% of the plays are made when things breakdown and the play thats called is covered or the hole is not there....thats on the players playmakers are going to find away to make a play...those guys... your QB, your feature back and your WR's need to break a tackle cut back, make someone miss you know make abig out nothing once in a while and of course the coach needs to call a play once in awhile that leads to a big play.....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | September 16, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Forget to mention that we will not be able to run the ball, as our O lIne is incapable of controlling the LOS.

that too is the HCs fault.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 16, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it will be enough to just win this week. This needs be a statement game. If the skins win by less than 10 points, there truly will have been no progress from last year. This team needs to open up the offense and lock down on defense and beat the Rams like the Seahawks did last week.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 16, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Coach Jim Zen is a good kisser, cL, but no one talks about that.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 16, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan comes out really well as a coach, manager, strategizer, play designer, play caller. Good guys: Jake Plummer, Jason Elam, several others. Jerks: Jay Cutler, Todd Sauerbrun.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 11:17 AM

Come on TE, Shanahan was a terrible GM.

Posted by: scampbell1975


I think t_e, was talking about how how Shanahan manages players, not as an evaluator of talent.

But he did draft Marshall and Cutler. Both who are problematic drama queens, Shanahan managed them as well. I didn't even know about Cutler's spoiled brat personality until Shanahan left, and Marshall was relatively quite.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Not that I am saying Gruden is the answer... but my question to those that might be against it is why not?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 16, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

think t_e, was talking about how how Shanahan manages players, not as an evaluator of talent.

But he did draft Marshall and Cutler. Both who are problematic drama queens, Shanahan managed them as well. I didn't even know about Cutler's spoiled brat personality until Shanahan left, and Marshall was relatively quite.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 12:53 PM |

Gotcha.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 16, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

F Zorn, James.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Who knows, if things in Houston don't improve maybe Shanahan comes to DC with Kubiak as his OC - same as in the Superbowl years. Doesn't improve the GM situation or QB for that matter but it could be interesting.

Posted by: skinswest | September 16, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The Rams couldn't stop the TE over the middle against the Seahawks. They play the same offense two weeks in a row so you would think that they would come up with something to stop it. Even then pass to ARE and Cooley over the middle. Keep moving the chains with the pass get Campbell in a rhythm and then grind it out in the fourth quarter.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 16, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Gruden, hmm. The one thing that sticks out for me is he's got that small-town thing goin' on. I don't think that really takes here (as we're seeing w/ Zorn).

Obviously that's some anecdotal shti to go with, but that's my first impression.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm if Zorn === Jim Zen
then Clinton Portis == Zen Dough

Posted by: periculum | September 16, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan comes out really well as a coach, manager, strategizer, play designer, play caller.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 11:17 AM

Come on TE, Shanahan was a terrible GM.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 16, 2009 12:41 PM |

Did I say otherwise?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

apparently someone spray painted the score, 25-24 on the front lawn of Loedis McKelvin's house in western NY.

Thats a good way to end up dead....not smart in the least...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Over in the RI Hamsters FF league, we saw another tour de force effort from last year's champ, Zornskins. His 138-76 victory over KoolAid was based on huge performances from Peterson and romo. Though it still baffles the author how he can call his team Zornskins while he has no Redskins on his roster. But he has romo, barber, westbrook, mcnabb and crayton. Ironically, both teams left major points on their bench. KoolAid had 2 WRs held scoreless -- while over 30 points were scored by 2 WRs on his bench. Incredibly, Zornskins could have had 175 point game if he had played Carlson and crayton instead of Housh and Scheffler.

Sween stung Dealer, 91-40. For Sween, it was a balanced effort led by Matt Ryan. For Dealer, I suspect he'll not want Jake Delhomme to start for him again, -11 points must be some sort of record for ugliness.

Yours truly, Cal Salmon, took care of Butz (yes, there are about 2,000 different ways to say this that are funnier), 109-80. Trailing by a bunch heading into Sunday night, the contest turned on one play. Salmon's Aaron Rodgers and Greg Jennings, hooked up for a 50 yard TD, followed by a 2pt conversion for the same combo. Over 20 points in that sequence. Fred Jackson's strong game on Monday night sealed the contest.

Coproliths took care of Etrod's E Funk All Stars, 100-84. The stunning 39 points from the iggle defense was pretty much the story here.

Alpa Chino got 40 from Drew Brees, but was still beaten by cL's F Bombers, 86-73. Though Alpa seemed a good bet to win, 6 of 9 starters scored 4 or fewer points. Reggie Wayne's 23 led cL.

Suzanne's Trippin' Billies scored a solid 72-42 win over Ahmad's RalJohn Realskins. Sadly, the Realskins resembled the Redskins this week, and had no player in double figures. For our blushing bride, the good times rolled in FF week 1.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 16, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

What we saw against the Giants was Zorn's best-laid game plan following months of preparation...that's scary.

Posted by: p1funk
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Exactly why it's legit to be concerned that Zorn's ability to play-call won't improve anytime soon. As in, it may take a year or two. As said before, I certainly didn't EXPECT us to win against the Ginas at their house, and of course they had months to game-plan for us too... But I did expect improvement in Redskins' fundamentals from last year, and I do like a lot of what I see about this team (despite JC and O-line mediocrity), but one fundamental - play-calling - still sucks.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

You said that he comes out really well as a manager. I wrongly assumed that you meant GM rather than personell manager.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 16, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I think Shanahan might like the idea of coaching the skins. He'd have an owner not afraid to spend $ (reports are that became a problem with Bowlen). Unfortunately he wouldn't be an upgrade at GM probably would be worse than Cerrato.

Posted by: skinswest

Shanahan is a bad idea. He's a great West Coast coach (sound familiar, Zorn fans?). He loves Zone blocking and lightweight Olinemen. That doesn't work in the NFC East.

Pick someone of the Russ Grimm persuasion

Posted by: TheCork | September 16, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

HAMBURG, N.Y. — Bills players are concerned with their privacy and safety after the front lawn of a home belonging to cornerback Leodis McKelvin was vandalized following Buffalo's season-opening loss to New England.

Hamburg police on Tuesday confirmed the home of a Bills player was vandalized, but declined to release details of their investigation after an obscenity and the score of Monday night's game - a 25-24 loss to the Patriots - were painted in white on the player's lawn in suburban Buffalo.

Unacceptable on EVERY LEVEL....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Black Sabbath "Mob Rules"
Dio era Sabbath is soooo underrated.
Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 11:08 AM


That we agree on.

Posted by: will_ga | September 16, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I wrongly assumed that you meant GM rather than personell manager.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 16, 2009 1:07 PM

No, Fatsis's book was pretty clear that he was lousy as a GM. His biggest mistake with signing guys to long contracts with big signing bonuses. Denver had huge dead cap money every year. Sound familiar? Denver got much better when they took this responsibility and gave it to Ted Sundquist.

The management skills referred to managing his staff, players, and the day-to-day activities of the team. He's highly organized and disciplined and seemed to be well-regarded and -respected by the players.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it will be enough to just win this week. This needs be a statement game.

Posted by: Original_etrod

I don't think we can fully appreciate the flat way the Redskins have come out for their games under Zorn until they actually come out for one fired up and ready to play.

Stay Medium, My Azz.

Posted by: TheCork | September 16, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"...Campbell approached Zorn on the sideline and said "come on coach you have to trust us"

Zorn's probably thinking, "Hey, they didn't let me buy the groceries, that's why there's no trust in how I cook the meal."

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 16, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

One thing I'm still puzzled about: how can an illegal forward pass be intercepted? Why isn't the play dead from the moment the ball leaves the QB's hand?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 16, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn's problem is psychological. He gives other teams too much respect, and doesn't have confidence that his team and his playcalling can get the job done. Off the bat, I already sensed he was giving the Giants too much respect. I like a guy like Rex Ryan, that talks the talk, and lets his team back up his words. Zorn doesn't have a scrappy fighter's type of mentality. Like, "You know what, this dude standing in front of me is much bigger, but guess what? I'm gonna knock him out anyway."

Posted by: ga8085 | September 16, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

It can't, they're dumb.

...just like fumblerooski in NCAA, can't happen, but does (or did)

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, bean. The man is a football player, not some s*** stain on society.

People really need to check themselves when it comes to this "fanhood" nonsense. It's taken way to damn seriously.

Besides, how can you hate on a dude named Leodis.

my bad, scamp. See, that's what happens when you dip into to side convos, I forgot you and t_e have that GT connect.

I'm just a good ol' Northern Virginia boy, I supposed.

Cork, you may or may not be right about Shanahan in the NFC East. But what about the Eagles.

Isn't the 'Y' and 'Z' terminology used for receivers in the WCO? If so, the Giants run it to.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is a bad idea. He's a great West Coast coach (sound familiar, Zorn fans?). He loves Zone blocking and lightweight Olinemen. That doesn't work in the NFC East.

Pick someone of the Russ Grimm persuasion

Posted by: TheCork | September 16, 2009 1:10 PM |

I'm not pumping Shanahan, and I wouldn't be disappointed to see Grimm get a shot with the team. But I think you sell the guy short if you assume he would run the Redskins in the NFC East as a carbon copy of the Denver Broncos in the AFC West.

And don't tell me you don't know what a "carbon copy" is, you old goat.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

One thing I'm still puzzled about: how can an illegal forward pass be intercepted? Why isn't the play dead from the moment the ball leaves the QB's hand?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 16, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Thats exactly what I thought. Weird rule

Posted by: ga8085 | September 16, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

If the 2009 season ends up busting, and JZ goes away, then I want an offensive genius in here...I'm so tired of having talent on the offensive side of the ball, and not scoring points. This is a passing league now, pass the ball.

The problem with this is exactly WHO is going to do the passing is the question.

I saw that the Chiefs cut Turk McBride the other day, yesterday, I believe. He was a high 2nd round pick for them. Any thoughts on him??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

One thing I'm still puzzled about: how can an illegal forward pass be intercepted? Why isn't the play dead from the moment the ball leaves the QB's hand?

Posted by: NateinthePDX

IMO:

Since he crossed the line of scrimmage, he's no longer a passer but a runner.

I think it's more of a fumble than an interception.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

TO REDDMV, RE: ABOVE COMMENTS @ 11:17AM

”I won't go on a Zorn ripping post, but the disdain and ire for Zorn was not concluded by the loss to the Giants.

So then what exactly was the starting point for the “disdain” and “ire”. Please tell me. When he finished his rookie year as head coach at 8-8 in the best division in football? I guess not going 12-4 your rookie season is ample cause for “disdain” and “ire”. I’ll take note of that.

And, would you care to elaborate on exactly why Shanahan or Cowher wouldn't work here? Sorry but your highroad bs explanation doesn't do it for me.

Sorry my explanation was not up to REDDMV standards. Someone above already outlined why Cowher will not happen. It is basically the same reasons for Shannhan. These 2 men are men with pride who want POWER. Snyder will not do it. Heres some more evidence: Turner-fired, Robiskie-fired, Marty-fired, Spurrier-fired, Gibbs-“resigned”.
Now I’m no odds expert, but I would say it is safe to bet that if you are a head coach under Snyder, your odds of being fired are pretty good. Shannahan and Cowher will never work for an owner with kind of track record. Too much pride to be canned if things don’t work out.

And you're crazy if you think this is Jim Zorn's team. It's more Portis' or Cooley's team than Zorn's, believe that s***! Zorn slipped and fell into the coaching job, his imprint is not on this team, what about the Washington Redskins says: This is Zorn's team?

Well let’s see RED, Jim Zorn calls the plays, he runs practice, he decides who plays and who doesn’t, he is after all the HEAD COACH. I would say that this is Jim Zorn’s team. When Portis calls a play, decdides to attempt a fake field goal, or decides who starts at Flanker, give me a call. Until then.

AND, you must be new to RI. Speculation is our watchword on this here board
I do not care. Tell me anything.

I'll advise you to read over anti-Zorn post because if (really hoping it's not a 'when' circumstance) they lose to the Rams. I'm going to Zorn dissing on f'n epic levels

Not sure what you meant by this, kind of confusing. But I do agree that if they lose to the Rams, then some things need to be addressed. It is a game they should win. We will see.

Believe THAT! And get over THAT!

Calm down. Did Jim Zorn sleep with your wife?? Relax pal.

Oh and btw, nice self-serving and condescending signature at the end there, cj. Like if I don't think Zorn's legit I'm not a fan.
Thanks.

Posted by: cj658 | September 16, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

What we saw against the Giants was Zorn's best-laid game plan following months of preparation...that's scary.

Posted by: p1funk
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Exactly why it's legit to be concerned that Zorn's ability to play-call won't improve anytime soon. As in, it may take a year or two. As said before, I certainly didn't EXPECT us to win against the Ginas at their house, and of course they had months to game-plan for us too... But I did expect improvement in Redskins' fundamentals from last year, and I do like a lot of what I see about this team (despite JC and O-line mediocrity), but one fundamental - play-calling - still sucks.

Posted by: chasgiffen


Yes to all of this. Solid assessment.

Posted by: pgugino | September 16, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

red, like I said, spray painting a guys lawn in the middle of the night, is a good way to end up with buck-shot in your azz, and I'd not have an ounce of sympathy for the painter either.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is a bad idea. He's a great West Coast coach (sound familiar, Zorn fans?). He loves Zone blocking and lightweight Olinemen. That doesn't work in the NFC East.

Pick someone of the Russ Grimm persuasion

Posted by: TheCork | September 16, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I think Shanahan's style of play would work anywhere. KC and Denver aren't always great places to play weather-wise. Philly seems to do OK with the WCO as well.

That being said I'm with you on Grimm. Unfortunately I don't think Snyder would be. After the Zorn experiment I bet he would go after a "name" coach. Didn't even interview Grimm last time as I recall.

Posted by: skinswest | September 16, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

wow good point Nate...

4th 42 points?!?!?! lmh....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 16, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I wondered the same thing Nate - this is something that the Mayor of RI should look into - if it's an illegal forward pass, how can it be possible to intercept it?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 16, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

theCork

"Pick someone of the Russ Grimm persuasion..."

This is further proof the redskins' fanbase is arrogant.

We love our team, but we also seem to think no one else league-wide is aware of the dysfunctional issues that have kept it gripped in mediocrity.

I mean, if you were Grimm, would you leave the security of a good quarterback, strong defense, excellent wide receivers, etc. to come to a franchise where change is consistent?

I can see Grimm now in the war room on draft day, hopng to draft a couple of stud offensive linemen while being told, "Those guys aren't NFL ready."


Posted by: MistaMoe | September 16, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

One thing I'm still puzzled about: how can an illegal forward pass be intercepted? Why isn't the play dead from the moment the ball leaves the QB's hand?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 16, 2009 1:19 PM

Because the defense has the option of declining the penalty -- same as most penalties for illegal blocks, face masks, motion, unnecessary roughness, too many men on the field, bad jokes, etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

On the Campbell INT, I think if this was 2008, he doesn't throw that pick. Much of the offseason has been spent telling Campbell he needs to 'let it rip'.

In 2008, I think he's scrambling and the little voice in the back of his mind is saying, "don't do anything foolish" and he runs out of bounds to set up 3rd and 5.

In 2009, that voice says "let it rip" and the result is a pick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 16, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

cj, really quick...

you're a 4-star a-hole, your long ass soliloquy just summed that up for me.

you're worth the time of a real response.

and I'm not married, jackass. learn the players, s***breath.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

One thing I'm still puzzled about: how can an illegal forward pass be intercepted? Why isn't the play dead from the moment the ball leaves the QB's hand?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 16, 2009 1:19 PM


Nate, I was wondering about that too…but if you think about it from a Stanford band or last Monday night Bills-last-play standpoint, would you give the ball back to the offense if they “intercepted” a forward pass (not a lateral)…it would be like penalizing the defense or giving the offense another chance despite having “cheated”……anyway the ball isn’t declared dead in that instance, so the D gets to decline the penalty….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 16, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Give me a QB with some fire in his belly or give me death!

Posted by: nixx46 | September 16, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

red, when you say s***breath, you don't mean, "scrapple", right?

Not gonna lie, I've never had scrapple, but I've got a friend who lived down in Philly who swears by the stuff....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Scrapple RULEZ!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

cj, really quick...
you're a 4-star a-hole, your long ass soliloquy just summed that up for me.
you're worth the time of a real response.
and I'm not married, jackass. learn the players, s***breath

TO REDDMV

Why resort to name calling? I guess I must of struck a nerve. If I don’t get a real response, should I expect a fake response?

Also, 4-star a-hole, that is gold. I am going to use that one amongst my friends, and tell them I made it up. Thanks. I actually really do like that one.

S***breath?? That one was lacking. Sorry pal.

Keep up the good work.

And I’ll be sure to take note of the fact that you aren’t married. Valuable info.

Posted by: cj658 | September 16, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I guess nothing's happening with the Redskins today since the only news - so far, with all the talent WaPo has covering the team - is that the Post will be podcasting. Sure hope things pick up, or thats going to be one short podcast, and a lot of writers with nothing to do.

Posted by: GhostOfPlimpton | September 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Not gonna lie, I've never had scrapple, but I've got a friend who lived down in Philly who swears by the stuff....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 1:38 PM


Looks like meat, smells like meat, tastes like........breadish substance. I don't like it.....Wifey loves it.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

wow good point Nate...

4th 42 points?!?!?! lmh....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 16, 2009 1:29 PM

My 1st week or 2 games are always feelers. I usually go on 10 wins streak after that. Enough to get me in the playoffs.

And if you didn't notice....I am FIRST in the waiver wire.....Excellent...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

”On the Campbell INT, I think if this was 2008, he doesn't throw that pick. Much of the offseason has been spent telling Campbell he needs to 'let it rip'.
In 2008, I think he's scrambling and the little voice in the back of his mind is saying, "don't do anything foolish" and he runs out of bounds to set up 3rd and 5.
In 2009, that voice says "let it rip" and the result is a pick”

TO zcezcest1:

Pure gibberish written above. “Let it rip”?? he threw the pick on a 10 yard hook pattern. Ill-advised, but hardly a direct consequence of a “gun-slinger” mentality. And exactly what “voice” in his mind are you referring to? Jason Campbell had 1 pick against a very solid defense, and we are on here saying he has “voices in his head, which are causing him to make bad decisions. Wow. Just wow. Relax for a second.

Posted by: cj658 | September 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

dl, thanks, interesting. they don't sell that much up this way....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I mean, if you were Grimm, would you leave the security of a good quarterback, strong defense, excellent wide receivers, etc. to come to a franchise where change is consistent?

I can see Grimm now in the war room on draft day, hopng to draft a couple of stud offensive linemen while being told, "Those guys aren't NFL ready."

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 16, 2009 1:30 PM

Is that a serious question? Grimm's been on the market for a while and hasn't had an offer. He'd jump at a chance to come to the 'Skins.

And, how many franchises are there, in your judgment, that a potential HC would consider a perfect opportunity? The reason they're looking for a HC is because they're not doing well.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

aawwww - scrapple is the BEST. Just don't ask what's in it. heh.

You're supposed to put a bunch of maple syrup on it. I recommend frying in butter over oil.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

While obviously one game does not a season make, the overall tone and performance was disappointing to watch. We looked cautious, passive, and lacked the focus and intensity of other teams I saw play Sunday. This was the first game of the year after a horribly disappointing last half of last year. If they played/coached timid and made half azzed attempts at tackling for this game, why should expect it to get better now? I mean, it wasn't the score that was alarming, it was the effort.

RI is an angsty place to begin with. A piss poor game one effort is just fuel for the fire.

Posted by: will_ga | September 16, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

ATTN DICK SHUTTLE:

That sounds revolting and pretty bad for you.

Posted by: cj658 | September 16, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I always imagine the voice in soup's head doing the Carlos Mencia "du du duhhhhh, I voted for Carlosss"

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"recommend frying in butter over oil"

hows your cholesterol..hahaha...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Scrapple is the hot dog of breakfast. If you knew what was in it no way in hell would you eat it.

So you guys want Campbell's stupidity or lack of field awareness to save him from that pick? He was way across the line. To me it would be the same as lining up in an illegal formation and throwing a pick. Your f ups should not be able to save you.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 16, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The Rams couldn't stop the TE over the middle against the Seahawks. They play the same offense two weeks in a row so you would think that they would come up with something to stop it. Even then pass to ARE and Cooley over the middle. Keep moving the chains with the pass get Campbell in a rhythm and then grind it out in the fourth quarter.

Posted by: bangkokben

Not only do the Rams face a similar offense, but their HC is Spagnolo, and that guys clearly knows how to defend against the Redskins. He may not have the same personnel there, but intellectually he's already beaten us. We'll see how much difference the players make on Sunday.

Posted by: rexforab | September 16, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

”On the Campbell INT, I think if this was 2008, he doesn't throw that pick. Much of the offseason has been spent telling Campbell he needs to 'let it rip'.
In 2008, I think he's scrambling and the little voice in the back of his mind is saying, "don't do anything foolish" and he runs out of bounds to set up 3rd and 5.
In 2009, that voice says "let it rip" and the result is a pick”

TO zcezcest1:

Pure gibberish written above. “Let it rip”?? he threw the pick on a 10 yard hook pattern. Ill-advised, but hardly a direct consequence of a “gun-slinger” mentality. And exactly what “voice” in his mind are you referring to? Jason Campbell had 1 pick against a very solid defense, and we are on here saying he has “voices in his head, which are causing him to make bad decisions. Wow. Just wow. Relax for a second.

Posted by: cj658

I think in 2008, he runs out of bounds because that is how he was coached in 2008. Take the safe option, get something out of the play, knowing you'll have 3rd and manageable coming up.

In 2009, he throws a tough pass -- a difficult pass to complete even if it hadn't been picked.

When I was watching that play, as he was throwing it, I was thinking 'no way he throws it in 2008'.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 16, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I thought sausage was the hotdog of breakfest.

And scrapple was the chitlings of breakfast. Down to the last thing anybody in their right mind would eat.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 16, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

My non-licensed vietnamese-chinese doctor told me to eat as much of that stuff as I want. He also told me to lay off the leafy greens. And under not circustances am I to eat asparagus.

Seriously, if you haven't had scrapple, you're missing some good hill-folk food.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I think in 2008, he runs out of bounds because that is how he was coached in 2008. Take the safe option, get something out of the play, knowing you'll have 3rd and manageable coming up.

In 2009, he throws a tough pass -- a difficult pass to complete even if it hadn't been picked.

When I was watching that play, as he was throwing it, I was thinking 'no way he throws it in 2008'.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 16, 2009 1:57 PM

I can agree with that......

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 16, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Wiki on scrapple:
"Scrapple (similar to pon haus) (Pennsylvania Dutch) is traditionally a mush of pork scraps and trimmings combined with cornmeal and flour, often buckwheat flour and spices. (Pon haus uses only the broth from cooked meat.) The mush is formed into a semi-solid congealed loaf, and slices of the scrapple are then panfried before serving. Scraps of meat left over from butchering, not used or sold elsewhere, were made into scrapple to avoid waste. Scrapple is best known as a regional American food of the Mid-Atlantic States (Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Maryland)."

No that you know, doesn't that make it sound much tastier?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 16, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Ok - I guess I have to explain that sentence... It's not two forms of fat that you're frying in... you use butter INSTEAD of oil...

I don't have cholesterol...I have jelly.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Scrapple is typically made of hog offal, such as the head, heart, liver, and other scraps, which are boiled with any bones attached (often the entire head), to make a broth. Once cooked, bones and fat are discarded, the meat is reserved, and (dry) cornmeal is boiled in the broth to make a mush. The meat, finely minced, is returned, and seasonings, typically sage, thyme, savory, black pepper and others are added. The mush is formed into loaves and allowed to cool thoroughly until set. The proportions and seasoning are very much a matter of the region and the cook's taste.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 16, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

the only issue I have with jc throwing that pass is, apart from being over the line, he needs to throw it where only moss has a shot at catching it. didn't seem like Moss made a huge effort to prevent webster from getting that int, but whateves at this point, its in the past...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Scrapple is typically made of hog offal, such as the head, heart, liver, and other scraps, which are boiled with any bones attached (often the entire head), to make a broth. Once cooked, bones and fat are discarded, the meat is reserved, and (dry) cornmeal is boiled in the broth to make a mush. The meat, finely minced, is returned, and seasonings, typically sage, thyme, savory, black pepper and others are added. The mush is formed into loaves and allowed to cool thoroughly until set. The proportions and seasoning are very much a matter of the region and the cook's taste.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 16, 2009 2:03 PM

This is the most interesting thing I've learned, yet, on RI.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 16, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

And possibly the most tasty, T_E.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

the only issue I have with jc throwing that pass is, apart from being over the line, he needs to throw it where only moss has a shot at catching it. didn't seem like Moss made a huge effort to prevent webster from getting that int, but whateves at this point, its in the past...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Moss didn't make an aggressive move and the jints defender made a terrific play. Still, I think Campbell's mentality in 2008 tells him to run it, get a few yards and live to fight another play -- in 2009, he throws it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 16, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"scraps and trimmings" is scary, but nevertheless scrapple is good.

which reminds me...

"Eating with the fullest pleasure - pleasure, that is, that does not depend on ignorance - is perhaps the profoundest enactment of our connection with the world. In this pleasure we experience and celebrate our dependence and our gratitude, for we are living from mystery, from creatures we did not make and powers we cannot comprehend." -Wendell Berry

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 16, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm still not sure Moss is even close to the same guy they got from the Jets a few years back. I still wonder if perhaps its time to try and work in Marko Mitchell and Malcolm Kelly more?

Posted by: periculum | September 16, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Scrapple is ground up bits of everything that pig sh*t touches while still inside the pig before it slides out of the hole, which is also included. Yeah, poo flavored breakfast treats, sounds positively pukelicious.

Posted by: will_ga | September 16, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

That's it! The Redskins didn't have scrapple at the breakfast buffet Sunday morning.

Dik, you're recruited! Make sure that, wherever they are eating Sunday AM, that there is plenty of scrapple, fried in butter, not oil!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 16, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

the only issue I have with jc throwing that pass is, apart from being over the line, he needs to throw it where only moss has a shot at catching it. didn't seem like Moss made a huge effort to prevent webster from getting that int, but whateves at this point, its in the past...
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 2:04 PM

Agreed, it’s in the past, but I also thought that even though the DB has the right to try and get to the ball, I thought he bumped Moss out of the way and that they should/could have called PI on the DB….it looked like way more than incidental contact to me….but I don’t wanna cry over spilt milk….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse


Week 2 power rankings: NFC East

September 15, 2009 4:16 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

OK, we finally have something to work with. It's ridiculous to move a team up or down based on the preseason -- unless there are major injuries involved. Now that we've seen all four Beast teams in action, let's see where they ended up. And yes, this is the part where I'm able to second-guess my colleagues. Here's where the Beast teams are ranked:

3. Giants: Not a lot to complain about here, but I would have moved them ahead of the unbelievably lucky Patriots. Oh, so you make your own luck? Whatever! One horrible decision cost the Bills an upset win. By the way, does Dick Jauron have a future in the funeral home business? He just seems to have the perfect demeanor.

4. Eagles: That seems about right to me. Winston Justice is your right tackle and you're unsettled at quarterback for a week or two. But still, that defense looked great against Jake Delhomme and the Panthers. AFC South blogger Paul Kuharsky and The Professor, John Clayton, both ranked the Eagles sixth. Clayton based this on a salary-cap rule that was passed in the offseason of '01.

13. Cowboys: They rose four spots in the power rankings, which is a pretty significant leap. They would've been higher but Kuharsky had them at No. 17. Please feel free to leave your comments on Paul's AFC South blog.

20. Redskins: Skins fans, you can thank The Professor for saving you guys from an all-out free fall. He looked past that ragged performance against the Giants -- and ranked the Redskins No. 16. I'm planning to call John later and ask him about this ranking. There's an outside shot he doesn't take that call.

Overall, Clayton was bullish on the Beast, ranking the best division in football an average of 9.75. Kuharsky was the least impressed with an 11.5. After basically sitting out Week 1, Chadiha came back strong in Week 2, dropping the Redskins five spots following their loss to the Giants.

Clayton is bullish on the Cowboys, moving them up five whole spots after the win over the Bucs. The great Mike Sando has created several Excel files and three or four databases for you to explore. Sando and I continue to share a love for numbers that is unrivaled in our profession.

Thanks for your patronage. We'll be back with more at a later date. Oh, and one more thing: I'm about to go through the mailbag. Feel free to drop me a note. All my best during these difficult times.

Posted by: periculum | September 16, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I have been totally distracted by this redskins name debate,on other parts of the website I always get sucked into it. I stand by by belief that if they change it go with a local tribe name.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 16, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Isn't "Hog Offal" Chad Rinehart's Smoot-given nickname?

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | September 16, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Peri, you're right. Did I just say that?!?

Nate, thank you for the awesmoe quote. I've often felt that food is better when you know where it's from. And that we have an obligation, as a carniverous society, to consume the lives we take, if taken lives be taken for food. To not do so would be sin-like waste. One of my many problems w/ morals based vegetarians.

Will, if you haven't tried it, don't knock it.

John, I will gladly cook for my team. They could use some scrapple in 'em.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"perhaps its time to try and work in Marko Mitchell and Malcolm Kelly more"

VERY LONG OVERDUE...and not just because of Moss either.

2nd, 3rd and 4th options, are a necessity on offense.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

the corners gave too much cusion? Seemed like most of the completions were on in routes or in the flat.

IMO, tighter coverage at the snap wouldn't have made a bit of difference.

I'm thinking veteran CB's know how much cusion they need to give or take.

Zorn you screwed this game up on the 2nd play. Zorn put the team in a whole and they never got out.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 16, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

If they change their name, why would I follow them? It won't be the same team.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 16, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

as a matter of fact, if Smoot had given MM more of a cushion it could have prevented a TD.

There is way too much monday morning QB ing by the media. I can't expect the fans to be intelligent and reasonable, but the media should be.

there was never a game in the history of football that a tackle wasn't missed. It is rare to have a game with no turnovers. That's football. Both teams make mistakes every game, any team can beat any other team on any given Sunday.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 16, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"Suzanne's Trippin' Billies scored a solid 72-42 win over Ahmad's RalJohn Realskins."

Damn 4th. 42 points? Even my auto-drafted debacle of a team put up 54.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Yikes, the water in the RI hottub is still boiling, eh? Maybe I need to go back into hibernation for another day or so.

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"Washington Warriors"

Danny owns the name. He's ready, should the day come. Everything stays the same except the name.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Not only do the Rams face a similar offense, but their HC is Spagnolo, and that guys clearly knows how to defend against the Redskins. He may not have the same personnel there, but intellectually he's already beaten us. We'll see how much difference the players make on Sunday.

Posted by: rexforab | September 16, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

EXCELLENT POINT!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 16, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Cork, you may or may not be right about Shanahan in the NFC East. But what about the Eagles.

Isn't the 'Y' and 'Z' terminology used for receivers in the WCO? If so, the Giants run it to.

Posted by: RedDMV |

Well there's West coast and there's WEST COAST.

But when it comes to a running game (the heart of the NFC East philosophy, IMO) The Redskin and Giants approach Sunday couldn't be more different.

Zorns schemes were all based on zone blocking and stretch plays, usually without a lead blocker.

The Giants used almost exclusively man blocking, with pulling guards and/or Madison Hedgecock leading the runner to the hole.

They even pulled their center.

(and please dont' say "That's what SHE said.")

I watched a replay again JUST focusing on OLines. Rabach spent more time in the Redskins backfield than Portis. Details in next post.

Posted by: TheCork | September 16, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"Washington Warriors"

Danny owns the name. He's ready, should the day come. Everything stays the same except the name.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Does he really? I hadn't heard that.

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 16, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Did the team have the day off or something? What is going on at the Park today?

Posted by: jm220 | September 16, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell pointing the finger at Zorn. I suggest you read this...

Campbell was asked about the offense, responding:


"You know, there's things that I feel like we can do, eventually I feel like we will get to and get to doing 'em. One thing about it, you have a quarterback that has a strong arm and everything, likes to get the ball deeper downfield and hit those deeper and intermediate routes. And I think right now coaches, they watch the film, they just want to make sure if the time's gonna be there to hit those deeper routes, or are we having an understanding of how far we're supposed to get on the depth of routes....

"I think from coach's perspective, he probably just thought maybe this is not the time to try to put ourselves in position where we lose yardage, let's just try to keep things where we're moving in the pocket just because of the heat and the pressure that they bring."


Later, he was asked specifically about taking more chances downfield. He said that every quarterback wants that, but when asked whether he felt he was getting enough, he responded with an "ummmm." Pretty telling.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 16, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I re-viewed the TiVOed game focusing on the OLINES of each team. VERY revealing.

Who was the blocker in front of Portis all game long? Not Sellers. Not a pulling guard. Mostly it was center Casey Rabach, who was being shoved into the Redskins backfield while he tried to block a 325-pound tackle.

Not all his fault. He’s a small center. It’s hard enough blocking those guys head on. But these zone schemes required Rabach to slant left or right, putting him side-on to a bigger Dlineman, with predictable results. And that will happen every time they try to run these “stretch” plays with ZONE blocking against big, quality tackles.

Another bad run scheme I have brought up before.

The once feared Redskin Counter-Trey no longer has pulling linemen, nor does it have the jab-step fake to set up OLine blocking.

Watching the beautifully designed Giant running plays made me nauseous. Not only did Redskin defenders have to contend with 275 pound Brandon Jacobs, but he was led to the hole by 265 pound fullback Madison Hedgecock, or one of their first-rate pulling guards.

On one play—their Freaking CENTER pulled and flattened Horton on a big gainer.

The redskins running game should be sent back to the shop for repairs.

Posted by: TheCork | September 16, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Is Coach Zorn far too medium?

Campbell continued, "[Coach Zorn] knows there's things he wants to get to, calling things. And he understands players and what we have to do is that trust thing, we have to be able to trust each other, no matter what's called or no matter what's on the field."

Does Campbell trust Zorn to make the right calls? Does Zorn trust Campbell to make the big throws?

The answer to those questions (which both trend toward "no") are going to determine the Skins' chances this season, as well as the future of both the Coach and the QB

Posted by: BenchCampbell | September 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm just a good ol' Northern Virginia boy, I supposed.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 16, 2009 1:24 PM |

Born and raised (at least for a while) in Fairfax myself so it's all good.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I can't expect the fans to be intelligent and reasonable, but the media should be.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 16, 2009 2:24 PM

You obviously don't know "the media" very well.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn's problem is psychological. He gives other teams too much respect, and doesn't have confidence that his team and his playcalling can get the job done. Off the bat, I already sensed he was giving the Giants too much respect. I like a guy like Rex Ryan, that talks the talk, and lets his team back up his words. Zorn doesn't have a scrappy fighter's type of mentality. Like, "You know what, this dude standing in front of me is much bigger, but guess what? I'm gonna knock him out anyway."

Posted by: ga8085
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I agree with this, as long as you can back it up with smarts and play. Very important for the coach to show toughness & confidence, not necessarily publicly but to his team. This improves those same traits in players. In terms of leadership, Zorn does seem to be too zen, medium, deer-in-headlights.

On the other hand, if his play-calling improved, it wouldn't matter if he walked around with bifocals reading Plato... or with a surfboard quoting Jeff Spicoli...

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"Washington Warriors"

Danny owns the name. He's ready, should the day come. Everything stays the same except the name.

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Let's run it up the flagpole....

"Hail to the Warriors
Hail Wick-tory,
Bwaves on the warpath
Fight for Ol D-thee..."

Too lispy. Next idea....

Posted by: TheCork | September 16, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

On hiring Russ Grimm:

"And, how many franchises are there, in your judgment, that a potential HC would consider a perfect opportunity?"


Consider Steve Spagnuolo and the Redskins from a few years ago.

He came, he saw, he dipped.

So much for a potential HC turning down what we think is an attractive situation.

If I'm Grimm, the situation in Carolina with the Panthers is what bears interest.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 16, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I can't expect the fans to be intelligent and reasonable, but the media should be.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 16, 2009 2:24 PM

Since when has the media been intelligent or reasonable. Ever heard of yellow journalism or propoganda? How about spin or slant?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 16, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Washington Warriors"

Danny owns the name. He's ready, should the day come. Everything stays the same except the name.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse


F that. Sea Dogs Byatch!

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

cork, while that might be true, jacobs had a pretty average day, wouldn't you say, its not like he did anything really?? I mean, what did he average p/carry, 2.9, for the game?

Agreed that the Redskins running game is busted, but to me thats as a result of the lack of down field passing to get the 8 guys out of the box.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

beepage

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 16, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

beeps...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 16, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Cody Glenn was cut by the Colts...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 16, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

TheCork,
Interesting read on the running game. You're right that Rabach's not going to win a battle with a 320 pound defensive lineman. So, things were broken inside, and I think they let the defense string things out when they ran outside. I remember one play where Portis made a bad cut and didn't use his blocker, but for the most part, the blockers just weren't getting it done. I've ruffled some feathers today by saying Cooley is not a complete tight end, but I think you can see it in his run blocking most of all. Moss, at his size, isn't going to move too many defenders off the line of scrimmage if you plan on running to his side of the field. If they're going to run outside it would make sense to have Yoder and Kelly on that side of the field.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 16, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

boy, I just watched NFL networks breakdown of the jints game, and Meangelo missed a ton of tackles (3 horrible ones) and so did alot of his secondary mates. I am not trying to bash them, but if they want "to be elite" like they keep talking about, they need to start tackling.

Posted by: bryaningrocery | September 16, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Born and raised (at least for a while) in Fairfax myself so it's all good.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 16, 2009 2:34 PM

Same here for Falls Church, but then moved to Alabama which is basically the AntiDMV. So if a tiny piece of DMV ever came in contact with Alabama the world would disintegrate & there would be nothing but a black hole left. Which, in theory, explains the proliferation of the term "Bama" as a negative throughout the DMV area.

Posted by: will_ga | September 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I can't expect the fans to be intelligent and reasonable, but the media should be.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 16, 2009 2:24 PM

Since when has the media been intelligent or reasonable. Ever heard of yellow journalism or propoganda? How about spin or slant?

Posted by: scampbell1975

I was talking about sports writers and their intelligence and reason in relation to that of the fans. So, I stand by my expectations.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 16, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

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