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Redskins Pursuing DeAngelo Hall

The Washington Redskins are among the teams free agent cornerback DeAngelo Hall is considering after clearing waivers Thursday, according to his agent, Joe Segal. Segal would not comment on how many teams are pursuing Hall, or specifics of offers, but said that Hall, a former Virginia Tech star, is intrigued by the possibility of signing with Washington.

"Obviously, the Redskins are a strong franchise and a winning team, and that's a significant criteria for DeAngelo," Segal said. "We're considering all the options and taking it one day at a time."

Hall was released by Oakland this week, just months after the Raiders traded two second-round picks to Atlanta for him, and gave him a seven-year, $70-million contract (the bulk of that contract was a major factor in clearing waivers). Hall's production has slipped a bit in recent years, and some believe there could be issues about how he affects team chemistry, but, at top form, Hall displayed elite coverage skills and has the attributes to play the type of press-man coverage Washington utilizes.

The Raiders utilize press man coverage as well, which explained their attraction to him, and the Redskins also pursued trade options for Hall this offseason, league sources said. The Redskins declined to comment on Hall, citing their team policy of not discussing such personnel matters.

Hall, in his fifth season though at 24, likes the Redskins' scheme, according to sources, and also has ties to the area (he is a native of Chesapeake, Va.). He would like to make a decision by the weekend, with four-to-five teams seriously courting him. Hall would be willing to take a short-term deal, according to a source.

The Redskins expect to get veteran corner Shawn Springs, who can also play safety, back from a calf injury for the Nov. 16 Dallas game, the first after the bye week. Corner Carlos Rogers is having a Pro Bowl season, though he continues to drop interceptions. Veteran Fred Smoot has had various nagging injuries as well, and Hall would give the team perhaps the greatest depth in the NFL at corner.

Hall, drafted eighth overall in 2004, has 20 interceptions in 65 games, with two touchdowns. He has also returned kicks and punts through his career (punt returning has been an area of concern for the Redskins this season). Hall has three interceptions this season but has also been a part of a mistake-prone secondary and has been beaten on some deep balls.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 6, 2008; 6:47 PM ET
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Take him. Springs and Smoot are injury prone. Carlos can't catch. If you don't like him release him after the season.

Posted by: jmich001 | November 6, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

WHAT??!! NOOOOOO!! :( he'll ruin the team's good chemistry!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | November 6, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

If you missed it on the previous thread, congratuate chrislarRy, who became a daddy today with the arrival of little ameLia.
Way to go, CL. All the best to you, your wife and the lil un. It is pretty obvious that you're a rookie, tho...we need height and weight for the roster.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 6, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Why is Hall being touted as a bad locker room guy? He grew unhappy in ATL under Petrino - and who the heck could blame him???

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 6, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

i think he would play his a$$ off for us, i'm actually all for it.

Posted by: bms46and2 | November 6, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I used to listen to his radio interviews back home in Hampton Roads, Va when he played with the Falcons. He's a life long skins fan. Hope that helps.

Posted by: Predator48 | November 6, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

This is easy, SIGN HIM. At best he can be an elite corner, at worst he is a huge jerk and you cut him whenever you want.

His return skills and added depth at DB (considering injuries waiting to happen in Springs, Smoot and Rogers) are absolutely what this team needs.

Posted by: 4seamed | November 6, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

4seamed hit it, for me. Put him on returns and he's a depth guy at db...i would not be concerned with other issues. this is a pretty solid locker room and i don't think one guy could disrupt it.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 6, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

and if he can't play, well, you figure that out first, don't you?

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 6, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

DO IT -- SIGN him! I'm worried that Springs' days are over, and I never have been to give full sway to Smoot -- too many mistakes at the most critical of times...

Posted by: ntlekt | November 6, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

No question, if he doesn't want a mega deal, sign him NOW. Punt returns, 3rd or 4th corner, HELL YEAH!!

Posted by: craig2 | November 6, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to Chris Larry for the arrival of Amelia. The happiest years of your life begin today.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 6, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I love it. Sign him! And yeah, being a Skins fan is always nice.

Posted by: ColumbiaUSkins | November 6, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

If we sign Hall, does that mean that Tryon will get less playing time?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 6, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

T_E-- maybe, he'd probably take over Torrence's spot as the number 4 right away, but how it would shake out later, who knows?

BTW -- "Hall would be willing to take a short-term deal, according to a source"

Me and my "sources" (NFL.COM to be exact) reported this exact thing in the last thread. JLC's on top of it aint he?!

Posted by: craig2 | November 6, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Congrats CL. Can she return punts?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Look we don't have a #1 corner on this team !!! Sign him ASAP !!!! Springs, good for 6 games max. He stays hurt.

Posted by: poolman1200000 | November 6, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Talent is right, chrislarRy...and remember that if, say, in 16 years she parks the family car on top of the garbage cans. Just a random example there...or if, say, you're downtown and happen to run into her while she's supposed to be in her high-school biology class....

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 6, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

If you missed it on the previous thread, congratuate chrislarRy, who became a daddy today with the arrival of little ameLia.
Way to go, CL. All the best to you, your wife and the lil un. It is pretty obvious that you're a rookie, tho...we need height and weight for the roster.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 6, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse
Congratulations, chrislarRy. Hope all are doing well. We need new bloggers for RI, so keep them coming.

By the way what are you calling the lil 'un? larrychrIs? or ruth'schrIs?

Posted by: frediefritz | November 6, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Dude, sign this guy right now. Sign him soon so he can play against Dallas.

Also, sign him so maybe we have someone who can catch on defense.

Posted by: DudeItsEric | November 6, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Hall is a no-no. Gibbs set a tone for this organization that character counts. Its been a real struggle, but we see the fruits of that in this team. The payoff is just beginning. Like a recovering addict, don't slip back to the old self destructive ways

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

The raiders have a history of 1. players not enjoying their time with the franchise and 2. substantial drops in production while playing for them. So i dont know if its the team or the players(i'll say most likely the team)but i'll definately give him a shot.

Posted by: caese | November 6, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Moose Johnston, who lives in Dallas, says the city has turned on its beloved Cowboys.

"It's unbelievable. The reversal in the atmosphere of the town from the end of September to the end of October is unbelievable," Johnston told the New York Post. "You had people packing their bags for Tampa (site of Super Bowl XLIII) at the end of September and now they're canceling their reservations at the end of October. It's typical rats off the ship."

.... like we didn't already know the dal fans were a bunch of rats

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

ArchAngelo deluxe.

Posted by: Xlnt | November 6, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

"WHAT??!! NOOOOOO!! :( he'll ruin the team's good chemistry!!!"

It's funny how Raiders and Falcon are accused of ruining team chemistry and then all of a sudden they're fine when they leave (ala Randy Moss).

Posted by: BigRich1 | November 6, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Hall quit in Atlanta. Gets waive by one of the worst teams in the league. Hmm Maybe we should sign him so we can compete with Dallas for the most dysfunctional team in the league.

Posted by: jaharsch | November 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Moose Johnston, who lives in Dallas, says the city has turned on its beloved Cowboys.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2008 8:17 PM |

Man, if we put them away next week, it's really going to get ugly for them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 6, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

yes, yes, yes, sign him now!! we need a db who can stay healthy (not springs), who can stick with the best receivers throughout the game (not smoot) and who can freakin take a gift wrapped pick 6 to the house (definitely not rogers)...and I won't even mention leigh torrence... please sign hall now!!!

Posted by: iresubumi | November 6, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Hall is not a "Cancer". I swear too many of you believe everything that you see on ESPN, and you never get the full details or may just lack the overall mental capacity to think for yourselves.

Lisa gets the point: Hall was Atlanta with Bobby Petrino--in Atlanta, with Bobby Petrino. Need I say more? His last year in Atlanta was a complete and utter mess--Vick got sent to the can, he had a rookie, more like inept head coach, the team was terrible. How do you think the guy is supposed to act. To take the field every Sunday knowing that you don't have a chance in hell at winning and following a coach who couldn't follow the sun on a clear day?
Then He goes to Oakland with Al Davis, and the all out LOSING those dudes have been doing over there since the 2003 season. Again, enough said. Why do you think that Oakland threw all that bread at him? They knew MONEY was the only chance at him being at least content with their mess out in Oakland.

I think that the Redskins have a very, very strong locker room. As Cindy said, "this is a pretty solid locker room and i don't think one guy could disrupt it." If hall gets out of line there will be guys (R. Thomas, C. Samuels, S. Moss, L. Fletcher) to get him back online. Hall being a "cancer" is the least of my worries if he's signed, in fact, it isn't an issue at all with me.

I'm worried about his overall production, what could he bring to the team, how to "fit" him in with the secondary, and what will be his asking price.

Oh, and congrats to chRIs LArrY!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo hasn't played on a team he's been comfortable with, true, but he is also a high energy player that needs to channel his energies towards victory: something that he's only experienced sporadically on mid-tier or worse teams. An excellent fit (for a reasonable price, of course)...Punt returner...

Posted by: frak | November 6, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Duh. Sign him. It's not rocket surgery. :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | November 6, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

So I don't know this guy from Adam, but if you gave me a scenario where we could pick up a decent corner, use Springs as both a CB and FS and bring Landry down to the line on occasion, where a QB would have to put his head on a swivel to make sure he knew where Landry and Horton were, I'd probably be all for it.
And he can return punts?

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I suppose this guy will help with the pass rush right?

Posted by: JeanJak | November 6, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

touchdown browns, Quinn get's his first regular season TD!

If Hall wants to be a "real Redskin", sign him, period.

Posted by: craig2 | November 6, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

So I don't know this guy from Adam,

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 8:37 PM |

You're not paying attention daggar. We signed Adam a few years ago, but he didn't work out. This one is DeAngelo. He hasn't worked out on two other teams.

Of course, on RI, we see that when Adam didn't work out it was Adam's fault, but when DeAngelo didn't work out, it was the other teams' fault.

Stay tuned.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 6, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and congrats cHRIs lARRy! Amelia, eh, very nice.

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh, that's right! I got so used to calling him Arch Deluxe that I forgot his given name!

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Also: "Redskins Pursuing DeAngelo Hall"

Do you think they'll catch him?

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: F0X7 | November 6, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks guys your thoughts mean a ton for the roster she is 8.1 pounds. So less punt returner more full back.

Hall hmm if he comes cheap and short contract maybe it's a what do we have to lose situation

Posted by: chrislarry | November 6, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

CL--My bet, with four or five teams pursuing him, is that he won't come cheap. And my other bet is that given the Redskins' earlier interest, they'll try to get him for a couple of years.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 6, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

t_e -- I don't think the Skins will try for a long term contract. And he has already said he'll take a short term deal, and then hit FA in the upcoming offseason.


Hall said he wants to sign with a team once he clears waivers and would be willing to accept a deal for the rest of the season and become a free agent in February.

Posted by: craig2 | November 6, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

if washington gets Hall, i will be a happy man, their secondary is pretty good, but they can get better

Posted by: TheGovena | November 6, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

If you can sign Hall cheap and all he does is improve our punt return game, it's worth the risk. If he also works out at DB, then it's a bonus.

Worse case, he doesn't work and we cut him. Seems like a no brainer...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 6, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TheGovena | November 6, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to C LARRY as the father of three wonderfull daughters two grown and one still in the nest(soon to be 16)they are much easier than boys and and better students she will bring you tons of joy!!Now the DeAngelo question sign him; before Petrino he was a pro bowler and believe me Mora in Seattle wants him although their losing record will probably keep them out of the Hall sweepstakes i think Blache will bring out the best in him and he can be a shut down cornrer, here in the ATL the sports talk radio pundits picked him apart,when he showed support for Mike Vick they literally ran him out of town basically blaming him for the Falcons losing season.Now he can be disruptive the AJC reported an incident between Hall and then coach Jim Mora jr. that a lot of fans felt was overblown(filler for the sports section)this info wasn't released until Mora was on the verge of being let go. Sign him,cut Sean Alexander,put one of the wonder twins on ir(Kelly) and bring back Anthony Mix if he's available.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 6, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm for signing Hall as well. This team needs the defense to cause TO's, sacks, and improved 3rd down defense efficiency against the better teams becuase the offense is still having problems scoring. Having 4 quality CB's on the field will go a long way to helping the skins down the stretch.

Posted by: TWISI | November 6, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

.... like we didn't already know the dal fans were a bunch of rats

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 6, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

You're the one with a stadium full of Steelers fans.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 6, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Wonder twins? C'mon dgm, there are three of them... gotta be the 'Fiesta Trio'.

cL -- two/three years and you'll understand. Unless you go all Nate on us and deprive your offspring of TV.

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Do we have any room under the cap? I thought Jason Taylor took all of it (well worth it for his production this year)?

Posted by: MrDumberton | November 6, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations ChrisLarry, what a great moment in your life. As the song goes "don't blink"! Grandchildren and great grandchildren are next! Savor this day, you will never, ever forget it.

Posted by: captjim | November 6, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: SadieV | November 6, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh, almost forgot. Sign him. Just like Sean Alexander - at worst, it's an insurance plan. You can cancel if things change.

Can anybody please tell me if signing up for the ESPNInsider is worth it? I asked this earlier and nobody responded? Sorry, but I'm new to the internet sports thing and can't quite figure out what you get for your money. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Posted by: captjim | November 6, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Wait, did I miss the one where someone said "as a father of three girls, they're much easier than boys"?

Wow... just wow.

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse


I think ESPN insider is only useful during the draft process on getting info on prospects, team needs etc. During the year not much going on there.

Posted by: TWISI | November 6, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey Redskins Fam,

I'm all for this. If he tries to get out of line, I trust our vets to set him straight. I think Fletch will hold him in check if he tries anything and we all know that Greg B. will put his foot in Hall's a$$ if he gets lippy. Quite frankly the kid has all the talent in the world and someone punching him in the mouth (tough love) and giving him discipline is all thats been missing.

Look at it this way, we get him on the cheap for the rest of the year and we can get rid of Torrence who gets burned every times he's in, he seems to be trying out for Johnny Storm for Fantastic 4 part 3.

Posted by: clark202 | November 6, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Congrats CL...if you need an annuity or more coverage with your life insurance let me know! :)

seriously, I'm very happy for you and your family!


Posted by: dbussjd | November 6, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to chrislarry!

I like the notion of DeAngelo Hall. Lets face it, we aren't going to be able to upgrade our line with a a crushing DT or DE. Best to improve our skill level at corner and minimize our weekness. Besides, he can catch and even one more turnover during the season could be critical.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 6, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I say sign him for the rest of this season, maybe even for next at a cheap rate. Shawn is a FA after this season isn't he? If we can't resign him to something cheap it'd be nice to already have an in-house candidate, and if he is comfortable here we could have the best 1-2-3 punch in the league.

Posted by: dodo1939 | November 6, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

The biggest most imediate impact I would see with Hall is his punt returning. Moss no longer needed, and ARE get's to focus on wide out full time.

Plus he is added depth at corner, I don't see a downside.

Posted by: craig2 | November 6, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

You guys are insane! Sign him??? Are you kidding??

Look, I'm a die-hard Skins fan that has lived in Atlanta for the last 4 years. I've seen the entire ME-angelo saga unfold. By all accounts, this guy is no good. It has nothing to do with Petrino's administration -- that only made what was seething underneath come to the surface. But the truth is, he is a cancer and will bring an unnecessary headache to an organization still struggling to find its identity under Zorn.

Does he have skills? No doubt. Unlike the overrated Carlos Rogers, ME-angelo can actually catch the ball and is a threat to score when he does. However, he's like the Randy Moss of cornerbacks. He's lazy. He takes plays off. He doesn't play to his potential. He gets burned more often than you might think. He mouths off all the time. He is prone to personal foul penalties. He is an egomaniac. He loves to hear himself talk. He throws teammates and coaches under the bus. And this was all BEFORE Petrino. It got worse under Petrino, and now he's making excuses under Kiffin/Cable.

Atlanta's GM, Thomas Demitroff, looked upon Hall so unfavorably that he unloaded him, keeping in mind that their secondary was among the worst in the NFL. How would you like cornerbacks on your team with the likes of Brent Grimes, Chris Houston, David Irons, and Jimmy Williams? Demitroff knew unloading him would be addition by subtraction, and he was 100% right. He helped build the Patriots before he came to ATL, and I trust his judgment of talent much more than I trust Vinny.

So tell me why the Redskins need this luggage on the team? Do you honestly think that playing for the Skins will turn him into a model citizen and a consistent contributor overnight?

Vinny must pass on this loser. His upside is not worth the disruption.

Posted by: paperboy76 | November 6, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Sign him and sign him immediately. This locker room is so strong, you really think he's gonna be a problem with Fletcher and Blache ready to get in his face? He has to know that at 24 he already has a rep, if he wants to get paid again its time to shut up and play. At worst he's a upgrade over Torrence and Tryon, at best he is a 24 year old elite corner. Sign him immediately, they should have claimed him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 6, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

...they should have claimed him.

And assume $62M in salary? Or is it $70M?

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I gotta agree with the "sign him" contingent above, though the secondary has been the ONE area on the team that has amazingly not been a concern (thanks largely to Carlos: Hands of Stone and Horton the Wonder Kid). If he can return punts, if he can be inserted in that space where the CB depth chart turns from quality to questionable, if he can make us even stronger for this difficult stretch run...

But the main thing is that he would pass muster with Blache and some of the leaders on D... talking about Fletch and Springs and Griff, the old hands on that side of the ball. I don't know if they have the luxury of getting to meet in person and give him the once-over before he's signed. But if it's okay with the veterans and the coaches, it's okay with me.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 6, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

actually, if you believe PFT (which they usually get things right) his base was less than a million and the majority of that contract was a $16 million bonus that only kicked in if he had a severe injury. So for half the season barring injury he would have only counted 500k this year. Sure, injury is a risk, and there'd be some hit if we cut him after the season, but no we're apparently in a bidding war with 15 teams, I don't know a ton about negotiation but if indeed there are 15 teams I doubt we'll get such a cap friendly deal if we sign him now.

Here's the link:

If a team had claimed Hall, it would have picked him up for the rest of the season at a bargain-basement base salary. But the 31 other NFL teams evidently decided the same thing that the Raiders decided: Having Hall on the team just wasn’t worth the risk that he’d get hurt, which would have guaranteed him $16 million. (With that kind of guarantee, if some team had picked up Hall, he might have become the first player in NFL history to go into each game hoping he left it with a torn ACL.)

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 6, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Also, super congrats to chRIs LaRRy on the arrival of litTLe mISs LaRRy! Welcome to the party!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 6, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

"Seven Year, $70M contract" (from JLC, above). I don't know whether the $16M is a replacement or in addition, but sounds to me like that contract would've been hard to swallow beyond this year.

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Note to DAGGAR: That would be me with the three girls but hey i'm almost sixty so it was a different era when my wife and i were raising them we also have two grown son's back in the dc area.Its all in the way you raise them,read Proverbs22:6

Posted by: dargregmag | November 6, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

This is perfect! It solves three areas of need. 1) It provides depth at corner should anyone get hurt again or even just need a break. 2) It provides depth or just plain improvement at safety because springs would be great back there and you could have hall or smoot be the nickel. and 3) it provides the opportunity to get more sacks, because now the linebackers dont need to default into coverage as much because our DBs are going to be SICK and just gobbling up the INTs. So go get em Vinny!

Posted by: skiplaxin | November 6, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

dgm, your post didn't mention the boys!
I have two girls and one boy. No complaints all around, but the boy is easier in our case.

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Please don't mention anything about a "tone" that Gibbs set. The only tone that Gibbs set was one of a stubborn coach that refused to adapt to a changing league that bailed at an opportune time. I'm appreciative for all he did, but this has nothing to do with Gibbs or his "tone". Hall fills a current need at a reasonable price with very little downside...DO IT.

Posted by: 4seamed | November 6, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

i think that it would be great if the redskins get Hall. He would really make us deep at corner and will be great to have in the playoffs.

Posted by: malcolm27 | November 6, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

I predict Hall will be a Cowboy by tomorrow afternoon.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 6, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

You may be right again. Dallas needs him more than we do and is probably willing to pay.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 7, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, have you seen any news reports on this with updates on who Hall has actually talked to so far? Just interested to see if anything more tangible has been reported since this post went up earlier tonight...

F the Cowboys getting this dude. He actually looks like he could help them, unlike the last "troubled" CB/return man they picked up...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 7, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

4seamed, if you don't think the way Gibbs built this roster, focusing on character in a very real way, has a direct correlation to their ability to recover and make the playoff run last year, and to make such an impressive surge this season with a brand new, first-time coach, you haven't been paying close enough attention!

And I'm not saying Gibbs was perfect -- far from it. Just that in this one particular area it's hard to argue that we were left with a solid roster.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 7, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I have not heard anything since earlier this evening but in that report the Cowboys were definitely in the mix for Hall. And it's right up their alley to nab him...and get him ready right before their big game with us :(

I think the Saints were mentioned as well.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 7, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

And just as soon as I sent the previous post, I heard an update....

Mort from ESPN is reporting that the Steelers and Patriots are also interested.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 7, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Finally a player where we don't have to give up a bunch of picks. We need the punt return and cover corner aspects. Our Nickel and dime packages would be great.

If he is willing to sign a short term deal, I don't see the downside. I think the troublemaker talk is overblown.

Fred Smoot had the trouble label coming back from the Vikes, but he has been a model citizen in my book.

Posted by: DownTownClown | November 7, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

skins HAVE to outspend everyone on this one. If the steelers and patsies are interested you know he's good. He could be a Devin hester for the skins!!! I also don't rember this dude as being in the randy moss or michael vick or even winslow category...

C'mon danny make him an offer he can't refuse.

Congrats cl!!! I wonder if you induced it or it just happened...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 7, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

The only tone that Gibbs set was one of a stubborn coach that refused to adapt to a changing league that bailed at an opportune time.

Are you kidding me? Are you going to credit Zorn, Snyder, and the FO with this years success?

This team of "character players" has Gibbs stamp all over it.

As for Hall, just say N O! So many are trying to rationalize signing Hall it is laughable. I sincerely hope we don't fall into this trap. He is a trouble maker and has proven so at every stop. Let Dallas deal with him.

chRIs laRRy, Major congrats! God Bless

Posted by: cosomfla | November 7, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Ohh forgot to mention that if this signing and outspending everyone don't workout we'll just forget that we wanted him really bad too and call you, danny an impatient lil prick

Posted by: dealer1 | November 7, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

you guys gave to watch what brandon Marshall of the broncos did during the game and then what he said after the game. What has Obama done to our yutes???;) you betcha!

Posted by: dealer1 | November 7, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

He quit on the Falcons.

He was so bad that the worst team in football, the Raiders, dropped him.

And now Vinny wants him?

Strike three.

Posted by: TheCork | November 7, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Oh and incidentally, Eddie Royal, who Vinny didn't draft, caught 6 passes for 164 tonight.

Posted by: TheCork | November 7, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

The Skins finally figured out that character does matter. Gibbs straightened out the organization and it has paid off. The 12 step program is complete, don't go backsliding now -- especially over a guy who has been getting torched.

Now if he was a problem child like Gary Clark and came with Gary Clark talent ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 7, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Ladies and gentlemen, let's just end the discussion and sign him. IF you're worried about him getting out of line, pay closer attention to Coach Zorn. 1. Zorn has gotten Clinton Portis to buy into the team concept so much that he skipped his usual Miami training routine. Might not seem like much to most of you, but TRUST ME it's a big deal. 2. When the rookie (can't remember which one) skipped practice, he had to deal with zorn, and we haven't heard anything from him since. 3. Portis' infamous equipment failure. Zorn got all up on him DURING the game to let him know what he thought. Sorry, but I seem to have more faith in the head coach than most of you. Also, is anyone forgetting that Smoot is a free agent at the end of the year? Hmmmmmmmmm. I'll take a 24 y.o. Pro Bowl corner that needs a lil more attention than an unproven rookie that has no clue, in a heartbeat. AND HE CAN CATCH!!! 7-1 if Rogers knew how to use his hands. Sign Hall for the rest of the yar, and next season (if possible) then reward him for doing what he does best... being a shut down corner.

Posted by: alwaysactingafool | November 7, 2008 4:10 AM | Report abuse

Cork, your an idiot.

There were a few other teams that didn't draft Eddie Royal too, BTW.

If Hall is willing to take a short term contract, sign, nothing to lose. If he sets up a bidding war, then screw him, he can go somewhere else and continue his problems. We don't NEED him, but he sure could be a nice addition.

Posted by: craig2 | November 7, 2008 5:54 AM | Report abuse

He quit on the Falcons.

He was so bad that the worst team in football, the Raiders, dropped him.

And now Vinny wants him?

Strike three.

Posted by: TheCork | November 7, 2008 2:11 AM |


The post should have said Hall pursues Redskins did you see where jasno mentions anything about the Skins being interested. I guess the Pats front office sucks as well they are interested as is Pittsburgh, dude you act like you know something about NFL personel, when really you don't know sh!t.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 7, 2008 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Much like or new President, I will not endorse this but will support him if he comes aboard.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 7, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

If we can get him for a good price I say what is there to lose? Cut him if you have to. Good corners are hard to come by and he has the potential. He hasn't exactly played for top tier teams. One man does not a secondary make.

Congrats cL. May your many sleepless nights be blessed ones. They'll be worth it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 7, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Someone above asked if we thought that "playing for the skins would turn him into a model citizen overnight"...
Gotta admit, yes I do. That, and the fact that no matter how good he is, he'll be fighting for playing time -- and without playing time, there's no $$ contract for next year.
So if his problem is attitude, I'm still interested. If his problem is that he's from VT (and into the dogs and gettin' shot scene), well, that's different.
What is the deal down there in Blacksburg, anyway? I'm sure there are a bunch of model citizen pro players from VT, but I don't know any of their names.

Posted by: daggar | November 7, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Smith

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | November 7, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

He quit on the Falcons.

He was so bad that the worst team in football, the Raiders, dropped him.

And now Vinny wants him?

Strike three.

Posted by: TheCork | November 7, 2008 2:11 AM |

Does this mean that you're finally going to find you another team? Bon voyage.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | November 7, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Hall is a solid player and has ok character but surrounding yourself with the redskins locker is contagious and can turn the worst of characters into great people great head coach and great leaders I wouldnt want to piss up rock or fletch those guys can turn him from a pro bowl player to a all pro player

Posted by: drkeller1 | November 7, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks signing Hall is a bad move is not thinking this through....Hall can flat out ball. He is young at 25 years old...

He is a proven corner and one of the best in the league. With Springs and his age plus the injuries and most likely not coming back next season. This is a must move. For the moment...having Hall paired with Springs and Smoot and Rogers....He would elevate the defensive back field to the best in the league...This would also translate into alot of pressure up front..especially when Taylor is back....Tp it all off...we have a bye and time for him to settle in some.

This is a must signing and no brainer.

DO IT!!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | November 7, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I hope the Cowgirls do sign him. It will lull them into having a false sense of security that they actually got a quality corner. Then Moss will torch him like the loser he is, and the Girls will fall into a tailspin right out of the playoff picture. Imagine MeAngelo, TO, and Pacman on the same team? Priceless!

Posted by: paperboy76 | November 7, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

hall did quit on falcons. they were in turmoil just like the skins were when bailey wanted out. bailey was tired of the way the skins kept changing coaches and signing dead players. hall could help now. hopefully they only sign him for the rest of the season and pay him low. dallas will be in the hunt for him so his price may go up but he wants to be on a possible playoff team so thats to the redskins advantage.

Posted by: rls1041 | November 7, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Re: Eddie Royal - Collingsworth (at least I think it was Collingsworth) said during the game last night that Eddie Royal did not have a lot of catches in college but that Shanahan saw the potential in him so decided to draft him. Looks like it worked....

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 7, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

It's pretty clear. Hall can go either way (either a genius signing of a top CB for cheap or a total bust and locker room nightmare), but do we want/need to take that chance?

This is a bit concerning from STATS Inc. considering the Skins play alot of man-to-man coverage as well..

"The 24-year-old Hall, a two-time Pro Bowler, had signed a seven-year, $70 million contract with the Raiders, with $24.5 million guaranteed. He apparently did not adapt to Oakland’s man-to-man defense. According to data compiled by STATS LLC, he was beaten 40 times for 552 yards on 66 passes - more yards against than any defender this season."

Posted by: yrozmaryn | November 7, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

There's nothing in this article that indicates that the Redskins are actually "pursuing" Hall. From the information provided here, it seems more like Hall is pursuing the Redskins. Have they made him an offer? Have they had him in for a workout? Is there ABSOLUTELY ANY INDICATION AT ALL that the Redskins are actively interested in adding him to their roster?

Come back when there is.

For the record, I think it's a bad idea. The secondary is already the strength of the team. If DeAngelo Hall were a pass-rushing d-lineman, I might be in favor of it, except that he's a noted locker-room cancer with a big ego who doesn't take well to coaching. He thinks he's an elite corner, but he doesn't play like one. And he doesn't tackle.

The Redskins don't need more cornerbacks. This is an icing-on-the-cake scenario for a team that has real needs elsewhere in the, um, cake. They need depth and explosiveness on the defensive line, not another big talker in the secondary.

Posted by: manalive | November 7, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Trust DO NOT want this guy. As a Falcons fan who watched him for several years I can tell you 2 facts about Hall.

1. He is a complete Cancer...he only cares about himself...period.

2. This one is even more important....he is PHENOMENALLY overrated as a player. He is simply not a good cover corner. He gives huge cushions and gets beaten consistently. He will occassionally make a big interception because he gambles alot, but at tremendous expense.

I have no hard feelings for Hall. In fact, I like it when we drafted him and made excuses for him for a couple of years. However, he just flat can't cover. He is an average zone corner, at best. Check out this stat, and you will understand why the Falcons and Raiders both dumped him:

According to STATS, through 8 games this season, DeAngelo Hall gave up 40 completions out of 66 passes thrown in his direction for 566 yards. That is by far the most yardage given up by any cornerback in the league this season.

Don't do it, 'Skins!

Posted by: jcarson2 | November 7, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

It's hard to get the straight story on somebody as a locker room guy - even from Dan Steinberg. But on skills alone, he's an upgrade at the nickel, and that's worth it.

Besides, I don't see anybody ragging on "Party Boat" for his character, so cut DAH the benefit of the doubt. At least until something bubbles up.

Posted by: info_stuporhighway | November 7, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Please sign Hall, TO loves to torch him!

Posted by: Dfan | November 7, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse


Where does it say ANYWHERE in this report that the Redskins are looking at Hall. Sounds like Hall is interested in them.

They can't help that, whether they want him or not.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 7, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I didnt get a chance to read all the comments, but at least it is sparking interest and a good debate. It is an interesting situation. I personally think that if you can sign him to a short term deal why not? He has cleared waivers so all he costs you is money. If we have the cap space this year why not? We might have to put Tryon on the practice squad or put Kelly on the IR? Oh no not that! If he plays well and is good team mate, you pay him Springs money and quit this injury roller coaster with him. If he doesn't play well or he is a selfish player that doesn't help your team chemistry, you dump him at the end of the season and try a better option. You can never have too many cover corners. It allows you to cover man, and allows lB and maybe even a safety to rush the passer and play the run.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | November 7, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

This guy was a cancer in Blacksburg, a cancer in Atlanta, and a cancer in Oakland. But what the hey -- maybe Vinnie can sign him AND Pac-Man Jones.

Posted by: tfirey | November 7, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

If there is no catch with assuming any of the guarantees in his contract in the event of injury, then it seems like a no-brainer given Springs' age and injury history. Smoot is a good 3rd cornerback, but also injury-prone. If Hall acts up in the lockerroom, Blatche and/or Zorn would get rid of him in a second. If he's trying to repair his image and it only costs us $500K, then there is no downside since this would allow us to use Springs as the nickel safety and give an alternative to Randel-El to return punts.

I've heard the same things that Hall was a cancer in Atlanta long before Petrino was coach and they couldn't wait to trade him after last year. The Raiders are so bad an organization, it's hard to say why they would cut him at midseason. Maybe his declining play was the result of the teams he has played with the last 4 years. If he is going to revive his career, why would we want it to be elsewhere when we have a need? As it stands, we'll need to draft a corner next year or sign a FA. This is low cost test drive for a guy who has been a Pro Bowler.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 7, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"Please don't mention anything about a "tone" that Gibbs set. The only tone that Gibbs set was one of a stubborn coach that refused to adapt to a changing league that bailed at an opportune time."

4seamed...are you serious?

refused to adapt? what do you call it when he agreed to give up the play calling duties for the 1st time in his HOF career?

Stubborn? He brought in and allowed Al Saunders to 'modernize' the offense that won him 3 super bowls and got him a bust in canton.

Coach Gibbs took an overrated, overpaid, perennially underachieving roster of low character players that had made the playoffs once in 10 years and turned it into a tough, resilient TEAM that made the playoffs 2 out of 4 years and is now considered one of the better teams in the league.

And the belief that Coach "bailed at an opportune time" is misguided and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the type of character Coach possesses. What is so "opportune" about his grandson having a life-threatening disease and Coach realizing that life is short and he isnt getting any younger? In the wake of Sean's passing he realized the importance of family and every day is precious. (not to mention his own battle with diabetes)

Coach Gibbs has done more for this franchise than ANYONE and NO ONE can question the man's loyalty, dedication, integrity and leadership. God bless him

Posted by: winredskins | November 7, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Well it's a done deal now. 1 year. 492K.


Posted by: jay_keepitreal | November 7, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

who cares how little it cost. he is absolutely a cancer, and more importantly, he's horrible. burned 40 times for almost 600 yds in 8 games! comes to skins w/ distinction of being among bottom 3 corners in the league. great credentials...not.

Posted by: accchamphokies | November 7, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

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